Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well it takes 8-12 hours for rigor mortis to set in fully, Vertigo, so Nevill would probably have been stretchered out flat on his back before then?
But I mean, just look at the blown up photos of the burns that Myster has posted, its obvious they are all different, and it cant be denied that the top mark is bigger, surely this mirrors the Aga knob and the two smaller points of the catch, as opposed to three burns from the rifle barrel which should be almost identical give or take surely?

In the pig skin experiment the top mark caused by the aga handle doesn’t appear to be anything more than an indentation whereas on Nevill’s body the top mark seems to be the worst of the burns.

[Joe Blogs]

In the pig skin experiment the top mark caused by the aga handle doesn’t appear to be anything more than an indentation whereas on Nevill’s body the top mark seems to be the worst of the burns.

Yes thats true, Vertigo!
Others have pointed that out before.
Not sure if the CT have given an  explanation for this or not.
There is a lot of info about the burns on substacks/Bamber versus the doc maker, you need to pay a subscription to view it though.
I'll take another look there!

[Myster]

In the pig skin experiment the top mark caused by the aga handle doesn’t appear to be anything more than an indentation whereas on Nevill’s body the top mark seems to be the worst of the burns.

It's just a large white, lens-shaped depression bearing no resemblance whatsoever to the topmost mark/burn. If they are burns, as Vanezis firmly stated, to me they seem to have been inflicted in an instant as one would expect with branding, not from contact with hot/warm raised projections over a longer period of time. His body wasn't moved from the AGA by anyone either, but found perched on a chairback (as noted in various police wit/stats) and no-one can get round the fact that Nevill's final minute was spent with his head in the scuttle when he had ceased to resist as 4 rounds (nos.1, 2, 3 & 4) were fired into his brain from above by the experienced Anschutz 525 user who was rightly convicted...

[Joe Blogs]

It's just a large white, lens-shaped depression bearing no resemblance whatsoever to the topmost mark/burn. If they are burns, as Vanezis firmly stated, to me they seem to have been inflicted in an instant as one would expect with branding, not from contact with hot/warm raised projections over a longer period of time. His body wasn't moved from the AGA by anyone either, but found perched on a chairback (as noted in various police wit/stats) and no-one can get round the fact that Nevill's final minute was spent with his head in the scuttle when he had ceased to resist as 4 rounds (nos.1, 2, 3 & 4) were fired into his brain from above by the experienced Anschutz 525 user who was rightly convicted...

May I ask, at what point in your scenario did JB 'brand' Nevill, and who else was alive at that time, Myster?

[Joe Blogs]

You see the thing is, if Bamber is guilty then his plan went pear shaped once Nevill escaped to the kitchen, at that stage he had lost containment of the victims, as it were!
Now just who was alive at this stage is debatable, but quite probably Sheila and a badly injured June at least!
Now you could probably assume that Bamber was out of ammo at this stage too, so he would probably beat Nevill unconcious with the rifle once he reached the kitchen before re-loading?
Although truth be told, Nevills injuries suggest a poking and whacking with the rifle barrel! Oh well, never mind!
So, at this stage what does JB do? Surely he must be in a right old state, desperate to get back upstairs to check if June is dead and then kill Sheila incase she has wakened and tried to flee the house? Yes?
But! if this is the case, why did Bamber decide to burn Nevills back instead, delaying going back upstairs for at least five minutes, probably nearer ten by the time he shot Nevill another four times in the head?
Or are we to conclude that JB went back upstairs to kill Sheila and June before he burned Nevills back and shot him in the head?
In all honesty, wouldn't the logical thing to do have been to just re-load as quick as possible once Nevill was out cold in the kitchen and then shoot him in the head before rushing upstairs?
Why oh why would JB just simply stop mid massacre and waste time burning Nevills back?? Its madness to suggest such a thing! Especially when the victims were seperated surely?
Gee whizz, Sheila or June could have smashed a window and cried for help or anything, yet Bamber thinks its more important to heat up the barrel of the rifle for five minutes to check for signs of life? Just shoot him for christs sake and get back upstairs ASAP!!!!
What on earth was the need to resrict the amount of bullets Nevill received anyway??? Did he think less bullets would point to a guilty Sheila? If that was the reason why did he put two bullets into Junes skull and eight into the boys??Besides, he ended up putting four bullets into Nevills head anyway for heavens sake!!
Truth is, there was absolutely no need to burn Nevills back, no logical reason whatsoever, and no real suitable time to do so in the middle of the massacre!
No, we have to accept that the most logical reason for the burns to Nevill back is the Aga and that they were purely accidental people! Purely accidental!

[adam]

You see the thing is, if Bamber is guilty then his plan went pear shaped once Nevill escaped to the kitchen, at that stage he had lost containment of the victims, as it were!
Now just who was alive at this stage is debatable, but quite probably Sheila and a badly injured June at least!
Now you could probably assume that Bamber was out of ammo at this stage too, so he would probably beat Nevill unconcious with the rifle once he reached the kitchen before re-loading?
Although truth be told, Nevills injuries suggest a poking and whacking with the rifle barrel! Oh well, never mind!
So, at this stage what does JB do? Surely he must be in a right old state, desperate to get back upstairs to check if June is dead and then kill Sheila incase she has wakened and tried to flee the house? Yes?
But! if this is the case, why did Bamber decide to burn Nevills back instead, delaying going back upstairs for at least five minutes, probably nearer ten by the time he shot Nevill another four times in the head?
Or are we to conclude that JB went back upstairs to kill Sheila and June before he burned Nevills back and shot him in the head?
In all honesty, wouldn't the logical thing to do have been to just re-load as quick as possible once Nevill was out cold in the kitchen and then shoot him in the head before rushing upstairs?
Why oh why would JB just simply stop mid massacre and waste time burning Nevills back?? Its madness to suggest such a thing! Especially when the victims were seperated surely?
Gee whizz, Sheila or June could have smashed a window and cried for help or anything, yet Bamber thinks its more important to heat up the barrel of the rifle for five minutes to check for signs of life? Just shoot him for christs sake and get back upstairs ASAP!!!!
What on earth was the need to resrict the amount of bullets Nevill received anyway??? Did he think less bullets would point to a guilty Sheila? If that was the reason why did he put two bullets into Junes skull and eight into the boys??
Truth is, there was absolutely no need to burn Nevills back, no logical reason whatsoever, and no real suitable time to do so in the middle of the massacre!
No, we have to accept that the most logical reason for the burns to Nevill back is the Aga and that they were purely accidental people! Purely accidental!

Most people say Bamber burnt Nevill's back to check for signs of life.

This could have been done at any time after he had inflicted the 40+ injuries to Nevill with the rifle in the kitchen fight. He had the time, strength and equipment.

The police/raid team moving Nevill & pulling his trousers down for no reason, then denying it, does not work.

Nevill being knocked out for 3 hours. Then starting to ring Bamber's answering machine does not work either.

[adam]

I do not agree with the theory that Bamber burnt Nevill's back due to spite, rage or torture.

He had just shot him multiple times, inflicted multiple injuries with the rifle & was inheriting his fortune. So any feelings of spite & rage would have been exorcised.

No point torturing a dead or dying man.

He also needed to keep focused on his mission and not get side tracked.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You see the thing is, if Bamber is guilty then his plan went pear shaped once Nevill escaped to the kitchen, at that stage he had lost containment of the victims, as it were!
Now just who was alive at this stage is debatable, but quite probably Sheila and a badly injured June at least!
Now you could probably assume that Bamber was out of ammo at this stage too, so he would probably beat Nevill unconcious with the rifle once he reached the kitchen before re-loading?
Although truth be told, Nevills injuries suggest a poking and whacking with the rifle barrel! Oh well, never mind!
So, at this stage what does JB do? Surely he must be in a right old state, desperate to get back upstairs to check if June is dead and then kill Sheila incase she has wakened and tried to flee the house? Yes?
But! if this is the case, why did Bamber decide to burn Nevills back instead, delaying going back upstairs for at least five minutes, probably nearer ten by the time he shot Nevill another four times in the head?
Or are we to conclude that JB went back upstairs to kill Sheila and June before he burned Nevills back and shot him in the head?
In all honesty, wouldn't the logical thing to do have been to just re-load as quick as possible once Nevill was out cold in the kitchen and then shoot him in the head before rushing upstairs?
Why oh why would JB just simply stop mid massacre and waste time burning Nevills back?? Its madness to suggest such a thing! Especially when the victims were seperated surely?
Gee whizz, Sheila or June could have smashed a window and cried for help or anything, yet Bamber thinks its more important to heat up the barrel of the rifle for five minutes to check for signs of life? Just shoot him for christs sake and get back upstairs ASAP!!!!
What on earth was the need to resrict the amount of bullets Nevill received anyway??? Did he think less bullets would point to a guilty Sheila? If that was the reason why did he put two bullets into Junes skull and eight into the boys??
Truth is, there was absolutely no need to burn Nevills back, no logical reason whatsoever, and no real suitable time to do so in the middle of the massacre!
No, we have to accept that the most logical reason for the burns to Nevill back is the Aga and that they were purely accidental people! Purely accidental!

If Bamber was checking for signs of life on his father then why couldn’t that have been the last thing he did before exiting the house?

[Joe Blogs]

Most people say Bamber burnt Nevill's back to check for signs of life.

This could have been done at any time after he had inflicted the 40+ injuries to Nevill with the rifle in the kitchen fight. He had the time, strength and equipment.

The police/raid team moving Nevill & pulling his trousers down for no reason, then denying it, does not work.

Nevill being knocked out for 3 hours. Then starting to ring Bamber's answering machine does not work either.

You say that Bamber had the time to burn Nevills back, Adam, but not when he did so?

[Joe Blogs]

If Bamber was checking for signs of life on his father then why couldn’t that have been the last thing he did before exiting the house?

But why waste time and go to all that bother checking for signs of life when all he had to was put a bullet in Nevills head just like all the other victims? as I said, what was special about Nevill? and why risk leaving tell tale signs on his back?
Do you really think it makes any sense, Vertigo? I certainly dont!

[adam]

You say that Bamber had the time to burn Nevills back, Adam, but not when he did so?

It could have been at any time after the kitchen fight & before he excited out of the kitchen window.

Up to him.

[adam]

But why waste time and go to all that bother checking for signs of life when all he had to was put a bullet in Nevills head just like all the other victims? as I said, what was special about Nevill? and why risk leaving tell tale signs on his back?
Do you really think it makes any sense, Vertigo? I certainly dont!

He had already put 4 bullets in him upstairs. Plenty of life still left in Nevill.

He had no time constraints.

[Vertigo Swirl]

But why waste time and go to all that bother checking for signs of life when all he had to was put a bullet in Nevills head just like all the other victims? as I said, what was special about Nevill? and why risk leaving tell tale signs on his back?
Do you really think it makes any sense, Vertigo? I certainly dont!

Who know?  Perhaps he saw Nevill twitch, or thought he did.  Bamber would probably have been a bit huped up at the time considering what he’d just done so maybe he wasn’t acting with 100% cool hard logic, eh?  I mean I can lock my front door before going to work and then have to walk back home after five minutes on the road to double check even though I’m pretty sure I did it.

[Joe Blogs]

Who know?  Perhaps he saw Nevill twitch, or thought he did.  Bamber would probably have been a bit huped up at the time considering what he’d just done so maybe he wasn’t acting with 100% cool hard logic, eh?  I mean I can lock my front door before going to work and then have to walk back home after five minutes on the road to double check even though I’m pretty sure I did it.

Ha ha! Sounds like you've got a touch of OCD like myself, Vertigo!
I'm always re-checking doors too!

[Joe Blogs]

It could have been at any time after the kitchen fight & before he excited out of the kitchen window.

Up to him.

But as I said, what about dealing with the other victims, dont they come into it, Adam?