The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[EnolaStraight]

Oh dear

A) saying she didn't know the flat was occupied is not the same as saying she didn't know that family or any other for that matter was in there

B) in her statement she describes seeing them during the week, oh, but, it was altered you think by police

the minute you take a mail or any other article over police statements is the minute hive totally lost your argument IMO

Would you quote her exact words please.

[Redblossom]

Would you quote her exact words please.

Its not me asserting what her words were as reported by a newspaper which could have been misconstrued at best or taken out of context, it's FM

Her statement is in the files, actually linked in this thread, just scroll up a bit

[pegasus]

The police misunderstood witness CT and had her seeing GateMan on the 29th.
Wrong by 4 days!
Therefore it is possible IMO that police misunderstood Mrs F and got crying date wrong by 1 day.

[pegasus]

How do you then explain Kate being the first returning adult then the following day denying all knowledge of any crying incident?

But on Wed she is not 1st returner. Its in the statements. 2nd returner actually. Thats the point. Therefore she truthfully never heard it. IMO.

[AnneGuedes]

But on Wed she is not 1st returner. Its in the statements. 2nd returner actually. Thats the point. Therefore she truthfully never heard it. IMO.

Conclusion : no crying on Wednesday. Hence the crying episode was at another day and time.
Some remark, not expressed the reported way (a scared kid of that age doesn't use that syntax), but likely when the crying stopped suddenly on Tuesday ?

[pegasus]

Conclusion : no crying on Wednesday. Hence the crying episode was at another day and time.
Some remark, not expressed the reported way (a scared kid of that age doesn't use that syntax), but likely when the crying stopped suddenly on Tuesday ?

My conclusion is: it is possible the crying was on the Wed and if so the 2nd person returning would not hear it.

[AnneGuedes]

My conclusion is: it is possible the crying was on the Wed and if so the 2nd person returning would not hear it.

How do you explain Mrs Oldfield didn't hear it (she was on the other side of a thin wall) ? Are you suggesting that the 1st person kept the crying unknown to the 2nd person ?

[Redblossom]

My conclusion is: it is possible the crying was on the Wed and if so the 2nd person returning would not hear it.

So was Rachel oldfield in a coma? Not hearing prolonged and loud crying for over an hour? On Wednesday?

[AnneGuedes]

So was Rachel oldfield in a coma? Not hearing prolonged and loud crying for over an hour? On Wednesday?

ROLF. Didn't Carana already ask why Mrs Oldfield wasn't submitted to a hearing test ?

[Redblossom]

ROLF. Didn't Carana already ask why Mrs Oldfield wasn't submitted to a hearing test ?

ROFL back at you! I don't remember that, just posts at Mrs Fenns old age/bad hearing/bad memory etc

[AnneGuedes]

ROFL back at you! I don't remember that, just posts at Mrs Fenns old age/bad hearing/bad memory etc

I know, but Mrs Oldfield, who revealed a sight disturbance when stating that the McCanns lifted the sliding door  shutters each time they entered, could as well have some hearing difficulty...

[pegasus]

So was Rachel oldfield in a coma? Not hearing prolonged and loud crying for over an hour? On Wednesday?

Crying was in (or near) SOUTH end of 5A IMO.
Thats why Mrs F did hear it (in 5G lounge which is directly above SOUTH end of 5A)
And thats why RO did not hear it (asleep in 5B bedroom which is NOT adjacent to SOUTH end of 5A).

[Redblossom]

I know, but Mrs Oldfield, who revealed a sight disturbance when stating that the McCanns lifted the sliding door  shutters each time they entered, could as well have some hearing difficulty...

More like mental difficulty !!!

[Redblossom]

Crying was in SOUTH end of 5A IMO.
Thats why Mrs F did hear it (in 5G lounge which is directly above SOUTH end of 5A)
And thats why RO did not hear it (asleep in 5B bedroom which is NOT adjacent to SOUTH end of 5A).

Suggests Madeleine was sleeping in her parents bed maybe

Don't thnk a few feet would silence prolonged crying either for Rachel! What's a few feet between side by side flats and upstairs flats?

[pegasus]

Suggests Madeleine was sleeping in her parents bed maybe

Don't thnk a few feet would silence prolonged crying either for Rachel! What's a few feet between side by side flats and upstairs flats?

IMO child in that situation would be out of bed and in lounge at patio door or window.
Thinking about it, there is even a further possibility which would make audibility above even greater and audibility in north end of 5B even lower.