Tavares Report wrongly claims EVRD Eddie alerted within the boot of the hire car

[icabodcrane]

perhaps you think the difference between 6 and 200 is splitting hairs...perhaps you are not very good at maths

 
Put the hook away dave 

 ...  I'm not biting 

 

[Serendipity]

My advise would be to not get drawn in  Serendipity

Important threads are frequently misdirected and descend into some sort of hair-splitters' convention  where irrelvancies are bandied  back and forth endlessly  ...  and pointlessly

Hard not to bite sometimes but yes you are right, his petty pedantics are best ignored :)

[Mr Gray]

Put the hook away dave 

 ...  I'm not biting 

 

im trying to stop the spread of myths...best you just dont reply...same for serendipity

[Carana]

I agree with you on that front, it frustrates me too.  What he said is that Eddie did not alert to meat/foodstuffs in 200 cases operationally.  He was during his lifetime, a very special dog who helped police secure many convictions and was also very effective in many other cases such as missing people who had sadly taken their own lives.

Picking up on Pathfinder's quote earlier:

Vol IX p. 2481

 FALSE ALERTS

 'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
 operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
 criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
 specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
 dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

However, in his "personal profile" document, "searches" was missing:

POINTS TO ASSIST

Whilst it is stated that the E.V.R D. is originally trained using pig the following notes

of guidance should be considered when assessing indications:

P In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.

> The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'

That doesn't seem to be a PJ mistake, as the original seems to be in native English.




Grime may have added "searches" to "cases" in the report to clarify (there can be several searches undertaken within in an individual case), but the distinction may have been ignored. As, seemingly, was the fact that he was referring to Eddie's reaction to foodstuffs and roadkill.

[Mr Gray]

so the FACT is eddie was not involved in 200 cases..its a myth

[Mr Gray]

Picking up on Pathfinder's quote earlier:

Vol IX p. 2481

 FALSE ALERTS

 'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
 operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
 criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
 specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
 dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

However, in his "personal profile" document, "searches" was missing:

POINTS TO ASSIST

Whilst it is stated that the E.V.R D. is originally trained using pig the following notes

of guidance should be considered when assessing indications:

P In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.

> The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'

That doesn't seem to be a PJ mistake, as the original seems to be in native English.




Grime may have added "searches" to "cases" in the report to clarify (there can be several searches undertaken within in an individual case), but the distinction may have been ignored. As, seemingly, was the fact that he was referring to Eddie's reaction to foodstuffs and roadkill.

so one of the statements is an error...wonder how many other errors there are

[Carana]

so the FACT is eddie was not involved in 200 cases..its a myth

Not only did Grime not state that Eddie had been involved in 200 (homicide) cases, but that somehow got progressively morphed into Eddie being responsible for 200 homicide convictions.

[ferryman]

You are just not accurate in your statements....it was 200 case searches not 200 cases

The true figure of operational deployments for Eddie (confirmed by South Yorkshire Police in a freedom of information answer) is just 37.

[Mr Gray]

Not only did Grime not state that Eddie had been involved in 200 (homicide) cases, but that somehow got progressively morphed into Eddie being responsible for 200 homicide convictions.

Carana..pointing out then gross lies being told about the dogs is just being pedantic

[ferryman]

Not only did Grime not state that Eddie had been involved in 200 (homicide) cases, but that somehow got progressively morphed into Eddie being responsible for 200 homicide convictions.

Grime did state that Eddie had been involved in over 200 cases.

[Mr Gray]

The true figure of operational deployments for Eddie (confirmed by South Yorkshire Police in a freedom of information answer) is just 37.

why do posters feel the need to tell so many lies about the dogs...perhaps its because the truth just isnt good enough

[Carana]

Grime did state that Eddie had been involved in over 200 cases.

Yes, he did. But in his personal profile he mentioned 200 cases, but in his report he stated 200 case searches.

In any case, the point concerned meatstuffs and roadkill.

[Carana]

The true figure of operational deployments for Eddie (confirmed by South Yorkshire Police in a freedom of information answer) is just 37.

Yes, I read the FOI answer in question.

[stephen25000]

If the dogs have no value, according to some supporters of the mccann, why do these people continue to wet themselves by continuing to attack Mr. Grimes and the those same dogs ???

 

[Mr Gray]

If the dogs have no value, according to some supporters of the mccann, why do these people continue to wet themselves by continuing to attack Mr. Grimes and the those same dogs ???

 

Another inaccurate post stephen...where have I attacked grime or his dogs...try and stick to the truth