DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[Cariad]

It has always been a possibility that Madeleine is dead and possibly killed by an intruder who attempted to shut her up if she woke and was about to start screaming.  But most of us prefer to hope that she is still alive, so we tend not to think about it.
On the other hand, No McCann Sceptic is ever going to entertain the idea that an intruder could have killed Madeleine because this might exonerate The McCanns.

Now that this possibility has been raised we are attempting to discuss it, hopefully without too much abuse.

So why don't the sceptics come up with reasons for why this unlikely?

Alright, in this particular scenario involving a serial offender, I find it unlikely that he would change his MO so dramatically, that he would leave children able to identify him alive (not the twins, the other victims) yet take a corpse. That he would not leave any sign of being in the apartment, not just no sign of a break in but no hair or fingerprint or DNA sample.

Given the the lack of evidence, he would either have had to have worn gloves/protective clothings, or have taken the time to clean up. If we're taking the checks on the children as fact, there's no time for a clean up operation, if gloves, no need to remove a body.

Plus everything that Serendipity just said.

[jassi]

It has always been a possibility that Madeleine is dead and possibly killed by an intruder who attempted to shut her up if she woke and was about to start screaming.  But most of us prefer to hope that she is still alive, so we tend not to think about it.
On the other hand, No McCann Sceptic is ever going to entertain the idea that an intruder could have killed Madeleine because this might exonerate The McCanns.

Now that this possibility has been raised we are attempting to discuss it, hopefully without too much abuse.

So why don't the sceptics come up with reasons for why this unlikely?

What we would like is some proof, or at least some evidence that this is what happened.

[Benice]

Since when has it been 'politically correct' to call a black person or a person of African origin 'tanned'. ?   That's a new one on me.

Wishful thinking on a grand scale imo.

[Serendipity]

Since when has it been 'politically correct' to call a black person or a person of African origin 'tanned'. ?   That's a new one on me.

Wishful thinking on a grand scale imo.

That the best you can up with as a response lol?  Out of everything I posted that's the only thing you can question?  You could have at least made an effort to refute the logic behind why AR is suddenly bringing the possibility that Madeleine was not alive BEFORE leaving 5a.  Do you dispute that it takes 1.5 hours for cadaver odour to develop?  Do you think an intruder would hang around for 1.5 hours? Where was he when all the 'checks' were going on?  How can Gerry McCann now explain his 9.10 check and as soneone said earlier, his proud father moment?

It is you who is subject to a huge bout of wishful thinking.

[Eleanor]

Alright, in this particular scenario involving a serial offender, I find it unlikely that he would change his MO so dramatically, that he would leave children able to identify him alive (not the twins, the other victims) yet take a corpse. That he would not leave any sign of being in the apartment, not just no sign of a break in but no hair or fingerprint or DNA sample.

Given the the lack of evidence, he would either have had to have worn gloves/protective clothings, or have taken the time to clean up. If we're taking the checks on the children as fact, there's no time for a clean up operation, if gloves, no need to remove a body.

Plus everything that Serendipity just said.

He could have left forensic evidence from clothing on Madeleine if he had held her close in an attempt to restrain her.  Gloves seem obvious, perhaps, but he would hardly have been wandering around in protective clothing.

Personally, I don't buy it because I think the two crimes are unconnected.

[Eleanor]

What we would like is some proof, or at least some evidence that this is what happened.

But we aren't going to get any at the moment.  It is all speculation.  This is what we are doing.  Speculating.

[Eleanor]

That the best you can up with as a response lol?  Out of everything I posted that's the only thing you can question?  You could have at least made an effort to refute the logic behind why AR is suddenly bringing the possibility that Madeleine was not alive BEFORE leaving 5a.  Do you dispute that it takes 1.5 hours for cadaver odour to develop?  Do you think an intruder would hang around for 1.5 hours? Where was he when all the 'checks' were going on?  How can Gerry McCann now explain his 9.10 check and as soneone said earlier, his proud father moment?

It is you who is subject to a huge bout of wishful thinking.

You are assuming that there was a Death Scent.

[Serendipity]

You are assuming that there was a Death Scent.

Andy Redwood clearly thinks there was or he would not have even been able to suggest that Madeleine was not alive when she left 5a. There is absolutley nothing else that has arisen in this case that would make that suggestion possible. 

[Eleanor]

Andy Redwood clearly thinks there was or he would not have even been able to suggest that Madeleine was not alive when she left 5a. There is absolutley nothing else that has arisen in this case that would make that suggestion possible.

Don't be silly.  Andy Redwood doesn't clearly think there was a Death Scent.  It was just always possible.  The Police don't need a Death Scent to think that something might have happened.
No crime would ever be solved otherwise.

"Sorry, No Death Scent, so no one can have been killed or died."

[Serendipity]

Don't be silly.  Andy Redwood doesn't clearly think there was a Death Scent.  It was just always possible.  The Police don't need a Death Scent to think that something might have happened.
No crime would ever be solved otherwise.

"Sorry, No Death Scent, so no one can have been killed or died."

You tell me why AR has suddenly changed from his stance that Madeleine may or may not be alive in general to being much more specific about her possibly NOT being alive BEFORE she left 5a?  Something has made him change his stance and to allow him to even make the suggestion of such a possibility and to be so specific as to the  timescales of a possible death in 5a.

Face it, AR knows what he is doing re suggestion of Madeleine's possible death before 8.30pm on 3/5/2007 and no amount of strawclutching from you and your cohorts will convince me otherwise

[sadie]

None of them saw his face though eh? 

All those witnesses, no efit.

Were all the victims partially sighted aswell as British perhaps.

"He had a very, very unhealthy interest in blind white British girls."

The PJ took no notice of the sexual assaults by the sounds of things.  Who would produce the efits?

[Eleanor]

The PJ took no notice of the sexual assaults by the sounds of things.  Who would produce the efits?

I thought The PJ couldn't do E Fits.

[sadie]

I thought The PJ couldn't do E Fits.

Ok

So they neither took any notice of the sexual assaults on children

Nor

Could they do eFits and 

[John]

The Carolina Santos incident is a strange one.  A tanned skin man of Moroccan origin walks off with the local cafe owners daughter in what has been claimed to have been a dispute between the two.  Could there be more to this than first thought?

Remember that this occurred just over 4 months before Madeleine disappeared.

[John]

A number of posts by two members have been removed as inappropriate.  One of who seems to believe it to be a badge of honour for some unknown reason.

Posters are reminded not to post any material of an accusatory nature towards any person unless they have absolute proof that they have been involved in a crime. TY