DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.

[ferryman]

Scotland Yard's investigation  has to  acknowlege the fact that a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where the missing child was last s een alive

The spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs, .



(Ian Horrocks)

[Eleanor]

Would knowing the answer make it less worrying ?

Probably not, but at least I might understand.

[Mr Gray]

Scotland Yard's investigation  has to  acknowlege the fact that a cadaver dog alerted in the apartment where the missing child was last seen alive

They  have  to because there is no evidence to suggest the dog was  wrong  ...   it is entirely possible that the dog  DID  alert to the missing child's dead body having been in that apartment,  and Redwood has to investigate that possibility

That was,  I believe,  the reason he made public for the first time that Madeleine may have died in the apartment     

The difficulty is, of course,  if the dog was  right   (  and the scent of the child's dead body had been detected   )   then the time at which she died must be set at least one and a half hours before Kate found her missing   (  in order  for cadaverine odour to have been present  ) 

...  and that would have to mean that Madeleine was already dead when Gerry made his 9.05 check

Quite a hornet's nest that Redwood has stirred

but there IS evidence that the dog might be wrong..Grime's statement...and Redwood has already stated that maddie may still be alive which CONFIRMS he does not accept the alerts

[jassi]

Why would he even mention it though?  He didn't have to, what use is it for the public to know?

It must be something SY are seriously considering and either he was just burbling on and his mouth was working faster than his brain, or he was giving the public a message not to expect a live Madeleine.

[jassi]

but there IS evidence that the dog might be wrong..Grime's statement...and Redwood has already stated that maddie may still be alive which CONFIRMS he does not accept the alerts

Alternatively it might mean that he hasn't come to any firm conclusion.

[icabodcrane]

Why would he even mention it though?  He didn't have to, what use is it for the public to know?

I don't know

For sure,  though,  Andy Redwood used his appearances on Crimewatch to reveal  two crucial  pieces of information

1)   That Scotland Yard do not believe Jane Tanner saw Madeleine being abducted 

2 )  That Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in the apartment

I couldn't guess what the purpose of revealing those two facts was  ...  but revealed they were

[Wonderfulspam]

but there IS evidence that the dog might be wrong..Grime's statement...and Redwood has already stated that maddie may still be alive which CONFIRMS he does not accept the alerts

How many times did you spot them age progressed pictures of her on Crimewatch?

[Mr Gray]

I don't know

For sure,  though,  Andy Redwood used his appearances on Crimewatch to reveal  two crucial  pieces of information

1)   That Scotland Yard do not believe Jane Tanner saw Madeleine being abducted 

2 )  That Scotland Yard think Madeleine may have died in the apartment

I couldn't guess what the purpose of revealing those two facts was  ...  but revealed they were

and what else did he reveal


The McCanns are not suspects

Maddie may still be alive

You are cherrypicking his words to support your agenda..it doesn't work

[jassi]

and what else did he reveal


The McCanns are not suspects

Maddie may still be alive

You are cherrypicking his words to support your agenda..it doesn't work

Did he say either of those things in this latest interview? I haven't seen it so genuinely don't know.

[Benice]

Ah but for Andy Redwood to even suggest that Madeleine may not have been alive BEFORE leaving 5a he must think that the alerts are far from meaningless. For him to say that he must think that that possibility will have had to have been before 8.30pm due to the minimum time that it takes for cadaver odour to develop as has been explained to you before.

Martin trust his dogs and as far as he is concerned, Eddie alerted to the scent of a cadaver. Inconclusive forensic evidence does not make Eddie wrong and remember too that the forensics did not rule Madeleine out.

Are your hands not sore by now with all this strawclutching?

IIRC Martin Grime has never once claimed his dog alerted to the scent of a cadaver - i.e. a dead body.   He only referred to cadaverscent - and also gave all the various reasons why such an alert by Eddie did not prove a dead body had ever been in the place where the dog alerted.   

[Wonderfulspam]

Did he say either of those things in this latest interview? I haven't seen it so genuinely don't know.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yx04p/Crimewatch_19_03_2014/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6PFy8AAFY&feature=player_embedded

[icabodcrane]

IIRC Martin Grime has never once claimed his dog alerted to the scent of a cadaver - i.e. a dead body.   He only referred to cadaverscent - and also gave all the various reasons why such an alert by Eddie did not prove a dead body had ever been in the place where the dog alerted.

But it is entirely possible that the cadaver dog  did  alert because he detected the scent of the missing child's dead body,  isn't it  ? 

And Scotland Yard would be remiss if they did not consider  (  and investigate  )   that possibility,  wouldn't they  ? 

 [... speculative removed ...]

[pathfinder73]

What is it with internet posters obsessed with an irrational and baseless wish, both for Madeleine to be dead and for Kate and/or Gerry to be the culprits?

Everything leads to a man running away with a child matching Madeleine's description in a deep sleep straight after she is reported missing. And not a dark tanned man. Reason for routine change? That will be investigated - would she have disappeared if the daily routine hadn't changed? What really happened from 6.30-7pm?

Just look at Redwood's wry smile when he says "We have still not identified who that man is so if it is you then please come forward" re Smithman "This is very clearly relevant to us!"

[Mr Gray]

Did he say either of those things in this latest interview? I haven't seen it so genuinely don't know.

Do you expect him to repeat them every interview...I think some posters do...

[Mr Gray]

But it is entirely possible that the cadaver dog  did  alert because he detected the scent of the missing child's dead body,  isn't it  ? 

And Scotland Yard would be remiss if they did not consider  (  and investigate  )   that possibility,  wouldn't they  ? 

[... speculative removed ...]

they would investigate the possibility without the cadaver dog alert