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Cariad

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #435 on: April 06, 2014, 06:18:47 PM »
He has made it clear that the mccanns are not suspects so I would think he expected that to put an end to the speculation

At that time he was also claiming that Madeline was an alive and findable child. Things change.

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #436 on: April 06, 2014, 06:44:49 PM »
You have already asked the question and I have already answered it

No! you gave a reason why you couldn't be bothered to answer it. That is not quite the same.

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #437 on: April 06, 2014, 06:45:54 PM »
At that time he was also claiming that Madeline was an alive and findable child. Things change.

he has not said that she isn't still findable...you are assuming he has changed his mind

Offline hustling01

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #438 on: April 08, 2014, 01:36:49 AM »
DCI redwood reckons a burglary suspect killed her in case she identified him/them and panicked and took her, The police have ruled out the mcanns and the other group 100%.

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #439 on: April 08, 2014, 01:44:50 AM »
DCI redwood reckons a burglary suspect killed her in case she identified him/them and panicked and took her, The police have ruled out the mcanns and the other group 100%.

And when,  exactly,   did DCI Redwood say that is what he  'reckons'   ? 

Offline jassi

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #440 on: April 08, 2014, 08:32:00 AM »
DCI redwood reckons a burglary suspect killed her in case she identified him/them and panicked and took her, The police have ruled out the mcanns and the other group 100%.

I fear you have been reading far too many tabloid stories.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline John

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #441 on: April 08, 2014, 10:45:33 AM »
It is intriguing that Redwood felt it necessary to divulge that information at the last Press conference. If Madeleine was dead before she was taken from the apartment as he stated as being a distinct possibility then she was not abducted. So what Redwood has actually stated in a roundabout manner is that Madeleine might not have been abducted.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #442 on: April 08, 2014, 11:08:33 AM »
But .... but, she must have been abducted - the McCanns say so.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Benice

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #443 on: April 08, 2014, 12:36:19 PM »
But .... but, she must have been abducted - the McCanns say so.

They have also said they realise that she may be dead, but will continue to believe she may still be alive until it is proved that she is not.   A perfectly normal reaction by any parents of a missing child IMO- and also respecting Madeleine's right not to be dismissed and discarded as 'dead'.

We are not privy to SY's investigations into the man who broke into 12 apartments and targetted British little girls.   IMO it could well be that those investigations have led SY to suspect he may have killed Madeleine - either deliberately or by accident. 

We shall have to wait and see.



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                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #444 on: April 08, 2014, 12:57:10 PM »
They have also said they realise that she may be dead, but will continue to believe she may still be alive until it is proved that she is not.   A perfectly normal reaction by any parents of a missing child IMO- and also respecting Madeleine's right not to be dismissed and discarded as 'dead'.

We are not privy to SY's investigations into the man who broke into 12 apartments and targetted British little girls.   IMO it could well be that those investigations have led SY to suspect he may have killed Madeleine - either deliberately or by accident. 

We shall have to wait and see.



Officers from Operation Grange have identified a series of 12 crimes between 2004 and 2010 where a male intruder entered villas occupied by UK families on holiday in the Western Algarve.

In four of these incidents - between 2004 and 2006 - the man sexually assaulted five white girls, aged between seven and 10, while in their beds.



The British police's new suspect was already investigated by the PJ and is dead

20 March 2014

Yesterday, the British police announced that it is investigating a new lead within the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, but the suspect was already investigated (and excluded) by the Judiciary Police, Diário de Notícias reports. The man died in 2009.

The new suspect that Scotland Yard was announced yesterday to be investigating, within the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, has already been investigated by the Polícia Judiciária and was dead since 2009, Diário de Notícias reports.

Euclides Monteiro, who was described by witnesses, at the time, as a man with tanned skin and dark, unruly hair, is a Cape Verde native, worked at the Ocean Club (the tourist complex where Maddie's family was spending their holiday) and died in 2009 in a tractor accident.

The inquiry was reopened by the PJ, based on the discovery of this suspect and the British press even reported the Portuguese authorities' lead.

Information that was advanced yesterday by the British authorities mention "a potential suspect of 12 crimes that took place between 2004 and 2010", who "from 2004 until 2006 sexually molested five white British girls aged between seven and 10".

The deceased Cape-Verdian man was responsible for several burglaries and laid on the childrens' beds, according to a PJ source, but never committed any rape. All of these developments were investigated by the GNR, initially, and then passed on to the PJ, which shared them with Scotland Yard.

http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/191195/novo-suspeito-da-policia-britanica-ja-foi-investigado-pela-pj-e-esta-morto



So, No sexual assualts between 2004 & 2006, All he did was lay on their beds & the remaining 8 crimes were also just burglaries.


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Cariad

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Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #447 on: April 08, 2014, 01:17:29 PM »
It is intriguing that Redwood felt it necessary to divulge that information at the last Press conference. If Madeleine was dead before she was taken from the apartment as he stated as being a distinct possibility then she was not abducted. So what Redwood has actually stated in a roundabout manner is that Madeleine might not have been abducted.


Actually, that's exactly what he said. The Guardian issued a correction.

 "This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was."

Offline Mr Gray

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #448 on: April 08, 2014, 01:25:42 PM »

Actually, that's exactly what he said. The Guardian issued a correction.

 "This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was."

looks like what the amendment suggest is that the phrase was taken out of context. without seeing the full interview we won't know so again...speculation is rife

Offline Benice

Re: DCI Redwood now admits Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive.
« Reply #449 on: April 08, 2014, 01:34:04 PM »


Officers from Operation Grange have identified a series of 12 crimes between 2004 and 2010 where a male intruder entered villas occupied by UK families on holiday in the Western Algarve.

In four of these incidents - between 2004 and 2006 - the man sexually assaulted five white girls, aged between seven and 10, while in their beds.

The British police's new suspect was already investigated by the PJ and is dead

20 March 2014

Yesterday, the British police announced that it is investigating a new lead within the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, but the suspect was already investigated (and excluded) by the Judiciary Police, Diário de Notícias reports. The man died in 2009.

The new suspect that Scotland Yard was announced yesterday to be investigating, within the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann, in 2007, has already been investigated by the Polícia Judiciária and was dead since 2009, Diário de Notícias reports.

Euclides Monteiro, who was described by witnesses, at the time, as a man with tanned skin and dark, unruly hair, is a Cape Verde native, worked at the Ocean Club (the tourist complex where Maddie's family was spending their holiday) and died in 2009 in a tractor accident.

The inquiry was reopened by the PJ, based on the discovery of this suspect and the British press even reported the Portuguese authorities' lead.

Information that was advanced yesterday by the British authorities mention "a potential suspect of 12 crimes that took place between 2004 and 2010", who "from 2004 until 2006 sexually molested five white British girls aged between seven and 10".

The deceased Cape-Verdian man was responsible for several burglaries and laid on the childrens' beds, according to a PJ source, but never committed any rape. All of these developments were investigated by the GNR, initially, and then passed on to the PJ, which shared them with Scotland Yard.

http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/191195/novo-suspeito-da-policia-britanica-ja-foi-investigado-pela-pj-e-esta-morto



So, No sexual assualts between 2004 & 2006, All he did was lay on their beds & the remaining 8 crimes were also just burglaries.

IMO SY are are not talking about the same man - as Monteiro died in 2009 and further incident(s) were then reported in 2010.

Unlike Monteiro - the man who broke into 12 properties did sexually assault children and it may be that only the intervention of the parents prevented him from carrying out assaults every time.

Also IIRC Euclides Monteiro was a Portuguese line of enquiry - not SY's.





The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal