The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[faithlilly]

I can't say what has changed their perspective.  Maybe they just went back to the beginning and approached all the evidence again with a more open-minded approach.  I do believe at the point of the proposed reconstruction that the investigation had more or less run out of steam and the reconstruction was purely designed to test the McCanns and their friends and nothing about trying to find Madeleine.

And why would it be wrong to test the McCanns ?

We could see from the McCanns own reconstruction that Gerry knew he was on shaky ground with the whole' which side of the road' conundrum. He knew that it would have been impossible for Tanner to pass Jez and him on the same pavement without being seen. A proper reconstruction would certainly have shown that and with both Jez and Tanner's statements conferring there would have been absolutely no chance of Gerry putting himself on the other side of the road as he did in the mockumentary and therefore making Tanner's sighting believable.

[Alfred R Jones]

And why would it be wrong to test the McCanns ?

We could see from the McCanns own reconstruction that Gerry knew he was on shaky ground with the whole' which side of the road' conundrum. He knew that it would have been impossible for Tanner to pass Jez and him on the same pavement without being seen. A proper reconstruction would certainly have shown that and with both Jez and Tanner's statements conferring there would have been absolutely no chance of Gerry putting himself on the other side of the road as he did in the mockumentary and therefore making Tanner's sighting believable.

Yawn.  So as you can already say with certainty what a reconstruction would show, why the need for all the bother of having one in the first place?  Just arrest all three of them now for perverting the course of justice and be done with it, eh?

[faithlilly]

Yawn.  So as you can already say with certainty what a reconstruction would show, why the need for all the bother of having one in the first place?  Just arrest all three of them now for perverting the course of justice and be done with it, eh?

That is what it would have to show because that is the picture the facts paint.

BTW why would Jez be involved in any deception ?

[Alfred R Jones]

That is what it would have to show because that is the picture the facts paint.

BTW why would Jez be involved in any deception ?

You tell me.  Some people here seem to think his reluctance to take part in the reconstruction is sinister and suspicious - what about you? 

[Brietta]

It is worth noting that the intended witnesses took legal advice as a result of the tone of communications received from Portugal ... they were not easily manipulated poor, illiterate Nationals like the Ciprianos, of whose case I am sure they would have been aware ... but Educated British Nationals who took an informed decision not to participate in a farce.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3699.msg215587#msg215587

[faithlilly]

You tell me.  Some people here seem to think his reluctance to take part in the reconstruction is sinister and suspicious - what about you?

Not suspicious at all. Rather selfish but that's just how some people are.

[Alfred R Jones]

So - the McCanns, their friends and Jez do the reconstruction.  The police decide from the reconstruction that, despite the fact that a man actually did come forward matching JT's description who claims he was in the vicinity on the night and at the time in question, and at roughly the same time that GM and JW were chatting together, that JT could not possibly have seen him in the circumstances she describes. 

What then, Faithlilly?  What are the police to deduce from this?  That JT is lying and that, by an astonishing stroke of luck she invented a description of a man who actually really did exist?  Oh, but I'm forgetting - the police are lying too, aren't they?  Tannerman doesn't actually exist in your world does he?

Bonkers...

[faithlilly]

So - the McCanns, their friends and Jez do the reconstruction.  The police decide from the reconstruction that, despite the fact that a man actually did come forward matching JT's description who claims he was in the vicinity on the night and at the time in question, and at roughly the same time that GM and JW were chatting together, that JT could not possibly have seen him in the circumstances she describes. 

What then, Faithlilly?  What are the police to deduce from this?  That JT is lying and that, by an astonishing stroke of luck she invented a description of a man who actually really did exist?  Oh, but I'm forgetting - the police are lying too, aren't they?  Tannerman doesn't actually exist in your world does he?

Bonkers...

Then when Gerry realised that the other two individuals within the vicinity of 5a that night agreed which side of the road the talk took place why didn't he just hold his hands up and admit he was wrong ? Why ündermine the statement of his main witness to the abduction, and her credibility, by, against all the evidence, sticking to his guns ? It must have been mighty important for him to do that.

[Mr Gray]

the tapas and the McCanns didn't trust the PJ and didn't feel they were looking for Maddie. The reconstruction was simply to try and implicate the parents and possibly the group. If amaral's thesis was true then the group would have to be involved in the cover up.  The recon would not help the search for Maddie as the PJ were focussing only on the parents. Anyone who says if innocent you have nothing to fear is talking rubbish...plenty of innocents are found guilty. This is my view and I think they were absolutely right not to return.

Those who think the mccanns are involved will not agree..simple

[stephen25000]

The mere fact that all of them have not returned, says everything.

If you have nothing to hide, and don't give bull about them fearing torture and/or made to confess, they had no reason NOT TO RETURN.

[Mr Gray]

The mere fact that all of them have not returned, says everything.

If you have nothing to hide, and don't give bull about them fearing torture and/or made to confess, they had no reason NOT TO RETURN.

Those who think the mccanns are involved will not agree..simple

[slartibartfast]

the tapas and the McCanns didn't trust the PJ and didn't feel they were looking for Maddie. The reconstruction was simply to try and implicate the parents and possibly the group. If amaral's thesis was true then the group would have to be involved in the cover up.  The recon would not help the search for Maddie as the PJ were focussing only on the parents. Anyone who says if innocent you have nothing to fear is talking rubbish...plenty of innocents are found guilty. This is my view and I think they were absolutely right not to return.

Those who think the mccanns are involved will not agree..simple

Fundamentally, after the initial searches proved fruitless, the PJ's goal was the find out what happened the Madeleine. Any expectation that anything they planned to undertake had to be directly about "looking for Maddie" was a little naive. The investigation had reached the point where the only way the find Madeleine was to identify when she was moved from the apartment and who moved her.

[ShiningInLuz]

And why would it be wrong to test the McCanns ?

We could see from the McCanns own reconstruction that Gerry knew he was on shaky ground with the whole' which side of the road' conundrum. He knew that it would have been impossible for Tanner to pass Jez and him on the same pavement without being seen. A proper reconstruction would certainly have shown that and with both Jez and Tanner's statements conferring there would have been absolutely no chance of Gerry putting himself on the other side of the road as he did in the mockumentary and therefore making Tanner's sighting believable.

It is excruciatingly easy to describe how this encounter could have happened without Jane Tanner or Tannerman being noticed by Gerry or Jez.  Is such an explanation important?

[Benice]

The mccanns and associates did not take part in the reconstructuion.

There were NO EXCUSES NOT TO DO SO.

No excuses were made - but valid concerns were expressed in view of the fact that having witnessed the PJ's attempts to frame an innocent couple - they had no trust in the PJ's motives.  Those concerns were not allayed by the PJ they were exacerbated.

IMO It would not be humanly possible for 10 different people to carry out an accurate reconstruction covering a period of hours -  in hundreds of attempts  - let alone the one 'go' they were going to be given - more than a year after events which they were being asked to remember and recreate -  minute by minute.

If you think it was possible - then describe how it would work.

I won't hold my breath.

[stephen25000]

No excuses were made - but valid concerns were expressed in view of the fact that having witnessed the PJ's attempts to frame an innocent couple - they had no trust in the PJ's motives.  Those concerns were not allayed by the PJ they were exacerbated.

IMO It would not be humanly possible for 10 different people to carry out an accurate reconstruction covering a period of hours -  in hundreds of attempts  - let alone the one 'go' they were going to be given - more than a year after events which they were being asked to remember and recreate -  minute by minute.

If you think it was possible - then describe how it would work.

I won't hold my breath.

They have had every opportunity to take part in a re-enactment in the last few years.

As to logic, the only thing you display is protection of the mccanns are all costs.

I await your inevitable reply.