Madeleine McCann. Sniffer dogs brought in to help with scrubland dig.

[pegasus]

Pegasus.  You have to agree that Eddie was repeatedly cued to the Mccann hire car.

If a litmus paper handler repeatedly cues his litmus paper towards a certain beaker, and when eventually the paper dips in, it indicates a certain acidity, I don't see how the cuing towards that beaker has influenced the signal given.

[sadie]

8-)(--) you really haven't got a clue. Tell me how he cued to alert the clothes?

Pathfinder You are at it again with the  8-)(--).  Cant you moderate yourself?

As you know, I was talking about the car .  Grime continually cued The Mccann hire car and kept calling Eddie back

[John]

Pathfinder You are at it again with the  8-)(--).  Cant you moderate yourself?

As you know, I was talking about the car .  Grime continually cued The Mccann hire car and kept calling Eddie back

I have always been concerned about the calling of Eddie back to the McCann's Grand Scenic hire car.  Had that not happened there would not have been an alert at the drivers door.

[Carew]

I have always been concerned about the calling of Eddie back to the McCann's Grand Scenic hire car.  Had that not happened there would not have been an alert at the drivers door.

The change in the dog`s behaviour led to his being called back to focus further


"When passing a  vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
 the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert
 indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and
 barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from
 the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door. "


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Eleanor]

The change in the dog`s behaviour led to his being called back to focus further


"When passing a  vehicle I now know to be hired and in the possession of the McCann family,
 the dog's behaviour changed substantially. This then produced an alert
 indication at the lower part of the drivers door where the dog was biting and
 barking. I recognise this behaviour as the dog indicating scent emitting from
 the inside of the vehicle through the seal around the door. "


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

What change in the dogs behaviour?  Eddie was on the run away from The McCanns car when he was called back. 

Perhaps he could read the McCann posters in the car window and told Grime he would be back later.

[Mr Gray]

Scotland Yard call in victim detection dogs, seems like groundhog day !
So who will be first to discredit Tito & Muzzy ?

You need to get your facts right..no one to my knowledge has discredited the dogs on this forum...perhaps you can produce a post.

[Mr Gray]

How about ...... views on Mr. grime, and I'm sure there are others.

When I have the time I'll check.

Don't worry you have confirmed that no one has discredited the dogs...

[stephen25000]

Don't worry you have confirmed that no one has discredited the dogs...

No i haven't yet.

I'll check on that one too.

[Brietta]

Everything pertaining to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is substantially ‘different’ from other cases. It seems only 'celebrity' animals are allowed to work on her case. 

For example, Tito and Muzzy have worked on many cases including as we now know that of April Jones. They are highly trained and very obviously best suited to work the terrain in Priai Da luz.

Why is it only now we know their names?

[Eleanor]

It seems to me that some people here spend far more time trying to twist the evidence to point to The McCanns than I ever spend trying to deflect attention away from them.  I don't need to.  It is obvious to any idiot that Scotland Yard believes them to be innocent.
But why would people want to twist evidence to try to involve them?  That, I would like to know.

[Mr Gray]

I was asking a question, I was not stating as fact that any member has already discredited Tito & Muzzy yet !
But it will be an interesting question when their work in PdL is finished.

well as no one has criticised eddie and Keela I don't see why you think anyone would criticise these dogs

[Mr Gray]

The dogs will rarely highlight "physical evidence", their task is to point to possible locations where "physical evidence" may be located !

rarely highlight physical evidence..thats what their job is...EVRD ...think about what it stands for..victim recovery...finding bodies

[pegasus]

well as no one has criticised eddie and Keela I don't see why you think anyone would criticise these dogs

There has been implied (not written directly) critisism of Eddie himself IMO, by some peeps:
1. After indisputably not barking at the cat when it was right in front of his nose, some peeps claim that he later did  bark at the cat when it wasn't right in front of his nose.
2. Before barking at clothes in the gym, earlier that evening when being in the same room (living area at Rua Das Flores) as every one of those bits of clothing, some peeps claim he did not find and bark at those bits of clothing.
Both views (which I disagree with) imply canine inconsistency.
My opinion is that Eddie (unlike humans) is incapable of being inconsistent in his work. In the above, correct one handler interpretation IMO and get complete canine consistency. JIMO

[Mr Gray]

There has been implied (not written directly) critisism of Eddie himself IMO, by some peeps:
1. After indisputably not barking at the cat when it was right in front of his nose, some peeps claim that he later did  bark at the cat when it wasn't right in front of his nose.
2. Before barking at clothes in the gym, earlier that evening when being in the same room (living area at Rua Das Flores) as every one of those bits of clothing, some peeps claim he did not find and bark at those bits of clothing.
Both views (which I disagree with) imply canine inconsistency.
My opinion is that Eddie (unlike humans) is incapable of being inconsistent in his work. In the above, correct one handler interpretation IMO and get complete canine consistency. JIMO

eddie didn't bark at the cat  full stop...grime for some reason feels that he did

[pathfinder73]

There has been implied (not written directly) critisism of Eddie himself IMO, by some peeps:
1. After indisputably not barking at the cat when it was right in front of his nose, some peeps claim that he later did  bark at the cat when it wasn't right in front of his nose.
2. Before barking at clothes in the gym, earlier that evening when being in the same room (living area at Rua Das Flores) as every one of those bits of clothing, some peeps claim he did not find and bark at those bits of clothing.
Both views (which I disagree with) imply canine inconsistency.
My opinion is that Eddie (unlike humans) is incapable of being inconsistent in his work. In the above, correct one handler interpretation IMO and get complete canine consistency. JIMO

It was a toy so he hid it. When Eddie was trained he got a toy as a reward to play with. So he hid the toy in the cupboard so he wasn't confused it was there to play with. You don't know nothing about the clothes because you can't provide any evidence of the alerted clothes being seen in the villa footage where Eddie checked. So you know nothing about the clothes and can't back up your claims!