Wandering Off Topic

[Robittybob1]

I never actually hypothesised "hiding" during the search. But IMO it is probable that the child hid within the property immediately when someone outside was attempting entry. So this is talking about sometime before 10pm. It is certainly not preposterous. It is the most frequent response of home-alone children when someone outside attempts entry, and I can back that up with many cases where exactly that happened.

Is that possible outsider having gained entry may have left the exit ways open and the frightened person makes use of them and hides outside.

[misty]

It's just an observation, proven by many solved cases, that even when people including relatives and police truly believe they have completely searched a location, in fact they often haven't.

The reason the cases were solved is because the missing child had not been removed from the location by another party. The search area for 5a was minimal. If you extend the search area beyond the boundary of 5a then the scope for
error increases & your application of previous case study cannot really be used.

[pegasus]

Is that possible outsider having gained entry may have left the exit ways open and the frightened person makes use of them and hides outside.

IMO no, because in the northern hemisphere survival instinct is to move away from danger.

[Robittybob1]

IMO no, because in the northern hemisphere survival instinct is to move away from danger.

I always knew from my childhood days you Northerners were upside down.
"Is that possible outsider having gained entry (the inside of the building is the place of danger) may have left the exit ways open and the frightened person makes use of them and hides outside (because the outside now feels safer).  It is certainly how piglets would operate.  Wild cats would do the same.  So that could be instinctive in humans too, as it isn't something instinctively we test very often.

[pegasus]

I always knew from my childhood days you Northerners were upside down.
"Is that possible outsider having gained entry (the inside of the building is the place of danger) may have left the exit ways open and the frightened person makes use of them and hides outside (because the outside now feels safer).  It is certainly how piglets would operate.  Wild cats would do the same.  So that could be instinctive in humans too, as it isn't something instinctively we test very often.

Instinct is to to flee away from danger - as practised in the monster game.

[Robittybob1]

Instinct is to to flee away from danger - as practised in the monster game.

Later in life I found that the worst game to play with your kids.  I taught them to not fear the dark or anything, whereas I was told about the Boogey Man and that made me scared for no reason at all.

[pegasus]

Later in life I found that the worst game to play with your kids.  I taught them to not fear the dark or anything, whereas I was told about the Boogey Man and that made me scared for no reason at all.

There are many other cases where a burglar started to make entry to a property thinking everyone was out, when in fact there was a child or children home alone, whose behavioural response was
1, if near the attempted entry point, flee away from attempted entry point, then
2. hide within the property
This is actual behaviour in real cases.

[Robittybob1]

There are many other cases where a burglar started to make entry to a property thinking everyone was out, when in fact there was a child or children home alone, whose behavioural response was
1, if near the attempted entry point, flee away from attempted entry point, then
2. hide within the property
This is actual behaviour in real cases.

"2. hide within the property":  Would that include parts of the property out of the building being entered?

[Alfie]

It would be bizarre to discard the science of studying and learning from other cases. Fact is there are many missing child cases where relatives and police "completely searched" the property yet missed the child.

What is the square footage of Apt 5a, and how does this compare to the square footage of other properties searched where children were initially overlooked during a search? Please describe the various hiding places yu believe exist in Apt 5a were a child could succesfully hide or be hidden whilst frantic parents and friends and police search the premises.

[Robittybob1]

What is the square footage of Apt 5a, and how does this compare to the square footage of other properties searched where children were initially overlooked during a search? Please describe the various hiding places yu believe exist in Apt 5a were a child could succesfully hide or be hidden whilst frantic parents and friends and police search the premises.

And even if they missed finding her that night what would be the sequence after that?

[Alfie]

And even if they missed finding her that night what would be the sequence after that?

Pegasus will refuse to elaborate, unsurprisingly.

[Robittybob1]

Pegasus will refuse to elaborate, unsurprisingly.

It seems rather a difficult thing to elaborate on for it would have to involve corruption at the highest level, if that is how it happened.  Like you'd have to say "the OC management or the PJ dumped Madeleine's body".  Who's going to claim that?
Does he really think this is the scenario but is just too scared to say.  I thought I was being risky saying there was a cover-up but destroying a body well that is another type of claim altogether.
That is a real interesting twist, if that is the case.  In my theory the "missing body: (not MM) had the potential of being returned, but if it hasn't been returned what has happened to it?

[pegasus]

I don't have a theory of any kind, just pointing out that in general studying hundreds of solved cases is a way to better understand behaviour. For example there is a shutter video in which the first half (mechanisms and opening methods) fits generally with behaviour in many other cases where burglars open various doors or windows - it is predictable and well-precedented behaviour so IMO that theory is possible and even probable.  But the second half (predicted response) goes exactly against hundreds of behavioural examples in other cases and so just IMO the second half theory is impossible.

[Brietta]

I don't have a theory of any kind, just pointing out that in general studying hundreds of solved cases is a way to better understand behaviour. For example there is a shutter video in which the first half (mechanisms and opening methods) fits generally with behaviour in many other cases where burglars open various doors or windows - it is predictable and well-precedented behaviour so IMO that theory is possible and even probable.  But the second half (predicted response) goes exactly against hundreds of behavioural examples in other cases and so just IMO the second half theory is impossible.

Are you saying that people do not enter children's bedrooms via windows or lean through windows for the purpose of abduction?

[pegasus]

Are you saying that people do not enter children's bedrooms via windows or lean through windows for the purpose of abduction?

IMO in the large majority of solved cases involving a window opened without authority, it was opened from outside by a person who was intending to burgle the property.