Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

Precisely Slarti.

Discussion of the alerts is not libel.

The alerts happened.

What has been repeatedly shown on this forum, and elsewhere, including Gerry McCann's attempt, FAILED, to bring the matter up in court , is how the McCann's and their main backers are totally obsessed with the dogs.

You seem to be obsessed with referring to people as obsessed
LOL
The alerts are meaningless without forensic corroboration
Sceptics do not understand the alerts
That's why they are sceptics

[Robittybob1]

In the apartment months after the reported disappearance?

Yeah it is odd, but it added to the psychological pressure on the arguidos Kate and Gerry.  It was possible to elicit a confession, but no confession was offered.

[Benice]

You make many claims about Amaral's book. but seem unable to provide cites to support your allegations. Rumours of what he said are worthless, provide cites!

There's no excuse for total ignorance whoever you are. If Collins can't get the simple facts right it nullifies anything else he might say.

I can only assume you haven't read Amaral's book.

With regard to not getting simple facts right -  he claims JT 'formally' identified Murat.    That is untrue - and there is nothing in the files to support his claim.

He states as a fact that it was definitely Madeleine who was heard crying on he 1st May - even though she was never named as definitely being that child  in a statement.    He refers to  'a neighbour' who claims to have heard Madeleine crying for 1.l/4 hrs to avoid mentioning Mrs Fenn's name.   

He then goes on to claim that Madeleine spoke to her parents the very next morning (the 2nd).  That is untrue. IMO he changed the date from the true date of the 3rd to the 2nd  in an attempt to convince the reader it WAS Madeleine who cried the night before on the 1st.     

Amaral then claims that Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when SHE cried.   No mention of Sean at all - thus removing the inconvenient fact that Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying and not two as claimed by Madeleine. 

IMO the above are several examples of him 'not getting simple facts right'.   His book is littered with them

AIMHO

[barrier]

Do you not understand why the dogs were brought in
They are brought in to find evidence
It's in the files as to why they were brought in

I know and they alerted to what they were trained for,its still not established to whom the alerts belonged to.

[Robittybob1]

I know and they alerted to what they were trained for,its still not established to whom the alerts belonged to.

But if you are game enough to say the alerts were to someone other than Madeleine you will be cut down.

[ShiningInLuz]

But if you are game enough to say the alerts were to someone other than Madeleine you will be cut down.

Not true.  The dogs could both have alerted to human blood deposited before Madeleine entered 5A or after Madeleine disappeared.

There is simply no requirement for a dead body, even if the dogs were alerting to Madeleine or to A N Other.

[Robittybob1]

Not true.  The dogs could both have alerted to human blood deposited before Madeleine entered 5A or after Madeleine disappeared.

There is simply no requirement for a dead body, even if the dogs were alerting to Madeleine or to A N Other.

In the main bedroom there was no blood found so what was that?
Eddie would alert to blood where the blood had putrefied.  If there was no putrefied blood what else did he alert to?

[stephen25000]

You seem to be obsessed with referring to people as obsessed
LOL
The alerts are meaningless without forensic corroboration
Sceptics do not understand the alerts
That's why they are sceptics

Amaral is not needed to disbelieve the McCann's story of abduction, or consideration of the dogs indications.

It is already known they lack corroboration. It doesn't mean though, that the dogs didn't alert to the possible presence of a body.

[Mr Gray]

I know and they alerted to what they were trained for,its still not established to whom the alerts belonged to.

As I said you don't understand
No one knows what they alerted too

[Mr Gray]

Amaral is not needed to disbelieve the McCann's story of abduction, or consideration of the dogs indications.

It is already known they lack corroboration. It doesn't mean though, that the dogs didn't alert to the possible presence of a body.

And it doesn't mean they did
So it doesn't mean anything

[stephen25000]

The dogs made multiple alerts.

Dogs don't have an agenda.

They respond to stimuli.

End of.

[Mr Gray]

The dogs made multiple alerts.

Dogs don't have an agenda.

They respond to stimuli.

End of.

They could have made a million alerts
No one knows what they alerted to

[barrier]

As I said you don't understand
No one knows what they alerted too

There in maybe lies a problem,the dogs alert to what they are trained for but humans can't figure it out.

[Mr Gray]

There in maybe lies a problem,the dogs alert to what they are trained for but humans can't figure it out.

You don't know what the dogs alerted to but you think you do
No one knows what the dogs alerted to

[G-Unit]

I can only assume you haven't read Amaral's book.

With regard to not getting simple facts right -  he claims JT 'formally' identified Murat.    That is untrue - and there is nothing in the files to support his claim.

He states as a fact that it was definitely Madeleine who was heard crying on he 1st May - even though she was never named as definitely being that child  in a statement.    He refers to  'a neighbour' who claims to have heard Madeleine crying for 1.l/4 hrs to avoid mentioning Mrs Fenn's name.   

He then goes on to claim that Madeleine spoke to her parents the very next morning (the 2nd).  That is untrue. IMO he changed the date from the true date of the 3rd to the 2nd  in an attempt to convince the reader it WAS Madeleine who cried the night before on the 1st.     

Amaral then claims that Madeleine asked her parents why they didn't come when SHE cried.   No mention of Sean at all - thus removing the inconvenient fact that Mrs Fenn only heard one child crying and not two as claimed by Madeleine. 

IMO the above are several examples of him 'not getting simple facts right'.   His book is littered with them

AIMHO

I was asking amother poster for cites, but thanks for your efforts.