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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2175 on: July 16, 2017, 08:30:00 AM »
There are many reasons why a person with a degree could be rejected by the police force, just as the Army does e.g tatoos/short sightedness.

Many children these days do a degree at Uni & then find that either they are unable to get work in their chosen field or that their chosen field no longer appeals to them. Joining the police is  just one option for a post-grad.

I wanted you to explain your statement below, which seems to suggest that people without degrees are prone to sue for racial discrimination while people with degrees are not. It seems you are unwilling or unable to do so.

"Maybe they only want people with degrees because of the prospect of being sued by unsuccessful applicants on the basis of racial discrimination."

There are some jobs which require a greater degree of commitment than others. In the police the pay isn't great, the job is dangerous and the hours are anti-social. Your picture of the uncertain graduate looking at the police force as one of their 'options' is worrying. In my opinion a non-graduate with a long standing desire be a policeman would be preferable.

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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #2176 on: July 18, 2017, 08:35:19 PM »
The tennis courts were busy on the afternoon of Thursday 3rd May. According to the creche sheets Madeleine was dropped off at Minis at 14.56. Her parents had booked a lesson with the Tennis Coach from 3.30-4.30. However;

as the courts were unoccupied, we decided to have a knock-up for half an hour first. [Madeleine]

The courts weren't entirely unoccupied as one court was fully booked; Weinberger from 2.30-3.30, followed by Kids Club 3.30-4.30, followed by the Tennis Clinic 4.30-5.30. The last event was on both courts.

So the McCanns played on the free court from 3 pm until 4.30?

Near the end of our lesson, as I strove desperately to improve my substandard backhand, another guest appeared, and he and Gerry decided to have a game together [Madeleine]

Did the Clinic take place on only one court then? Who was the other guest? Stephen Carpenter thinks he played tennis with Gerry that afternoon;

 I would say that it was on Thursday that we played tennis and I think that this was what we talked about in the Tapas bar.

DCF: OK, do you have any idea of what time you played tennis with Gerry'

SC: Humm... from two to four or from two until any time in the afternoon, I remember it coincided with leaving the kids in the crèche and picking them up.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

Gerry, of course was busy until 3 pm. He sat with his feet in the toddler pool and had his photo taken. Then he went with Kate to the toddler and Mini Clubs. Jane and Rachael played on one of the courts from 1.30-2.30 approximately too.

probably about half one, erm, Rachael and I just went down to, you know, the court was free so we thought ‘Oh we’ll go and have a bit of a knock’ at that point. ....and I think we played ‘til about, phew, half two
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

What a pity the tennis players weren't interviewed. Did anyone attend the Clinic? Which men played in the social tennis? Was it 2 plus Gerry and Dan or 5 plus Gerry and Dan? Matthew has no idea, it seems;

And Gerry was down playing on a court, I think there was only three of them, I think the, erm, the coach, whose name I can't remember, the tennis coach, the blonde haired bloke, erm, was playing to make up the numbers.....there was one court that was full of four and then there was a three
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm



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Online misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2177 on: July 18, 2017, 09:22:31 PM »
I wanted you to explain your statement below, which seems to suggest that people without degrees are prone to sue for racial discrimination while people with degrees are not. It seems you are unwilling or unable to do so.

"Maybe they only want people with degrees because of the prospect of being sued by unsuccessful applicants on the basis of racial discrimination."

There are some jobs which require a greater degree of commitment than others. In the police the pay isn't great, the job is dangerous and the hours are anti-social. Your picture of the uncertain graduate looking at the police force as one of their 'options' is worrying. In my opinion a non-graduate with a long standing desire be a policeman would be preferable.

The force is asking for graduates to apply for the role of a DC, not a PC. Any non-graduate with a desire to be a policeman can apply for a PC's job in the usual way.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2178 on: July 18, 2017, 09:57:29 PM »
The force is asking for graduates to apply for the role of a DC, not a PC. Any non-graduate with a desire to be a policeman can apply for a PC's job in the usual way.

Which still doesn't answer my question about suing, does it?
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #2179 on: July 18, 2017, 10:14:18 PM »
Which still doesn't answer my question about suing, does it?

There is nothing to be sued for.  The UK Police have long been interested in employing Graduates.  I thought everyone knew that.

Meanwhile the UK Police still want ordinary Policemen.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #2180 on: July 18, 2017, 10:36:48 PM »
Sometimes things happen which can't be foreseen. All a parent can do is guard their children against the everyday accidents which can be foreseen. Some parents don't even do that.

I agree we should guard our children from everyday accident s that can be forseen
If Maddie was the victim of a stranger abduction as SY believe that was not an everyday occurrence that could be forseen

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« Reply #2181 on: July 18, 2017, 10:59:11 PM »
Which still doesn't answer my question about suing, does it?

If the bar is raised higher it is much easier to discriminate at application stage, especially in a region where 1 in 3 people were born outside the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/01/most-uk-police-forces-have-disproportionate-number-of-white-officers


Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2182 on: July 18, 2017, 11:02:57 PM »
If the bar is raised higher it is much easier to discriminate at application stage, especially in a region where 1 in 3 people were born outside the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/01/most-uk-police-forces-have-disproportionate-number-of-white-officers

Discriminate against whom?
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« Reply #2183 on: July 18, 2017, 11:04:59 PM »
I agree we should guard our children from everyday accident s that can be forseen
If Maddie was the victim of a stranger abduction as SY believe that was not an everyday occurrence that could be forseen

The parents didn't guard their children against the foreseeable everyday accidents, which was my point.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #2184 on: July 18, 2017, 11:09:32 PM »
The parents didn't guard their children against the foreseeable everyday accidents, which was my point.
Everyday accidents happen everyday
That is not why Maddie is missing

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2185 on: July 18, 2017, 11:33:38 PM »
Isn't it quiet tonight
Silence is golden

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2186 on: July 19, 2017, 12:00:54 AM »
Isn't it quiet tonight
Silence is golden

One might be thankful for that.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2187 on: July 19, 2017, 12:25:03 AM »
One might be thankful for that.
Don't worry.  When the cat's away, I can see the mice playing.
What's up, old man?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2188 on: July 19, 2017, 01:17:16 AM »
Don't worry.  When the cat's away, I can see the mice playing.

This cat is never away.  But this cat isn't quite so good at sanctions as some others.  I so often don't see the point of sanctioning anyone.

However, don't try me.  I am really not very nice when I have finally had enough.

Online misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2189 on: July 24, 2017, 11:14:19 PM »

Original report:-
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/portugal-attacker-shouts-i-killed-madeleine-mccann-he-stabs-liverpool-holidaymaker-1452801

I saw this article when looking for something else & found the sentence imposed by the court unbelievable. Only in Portugal......

ETA & even more unbelievably, the guy is now apparently working as a bartender in Albufeira according to his F/B profile.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/briton-spared-jail-following-drink-fuelled-knife-attack/35291

09-07-2015 12:36:00 · 0 COMMENTS

A British man has been spared jail after an Algarve court ruled he could not be imputed for the crime of attempting to murder a fellow Briton.
On Thursday this week newspaper Correio da Manhã reported that 23-year-old defendant Shane Leighton walked free from Portimão court after judges considered that he could not be held responsible for his acts as he was under the influence of drink and drugs at the time.
 
Leighton was accused of attempting to murder a British woman, 41-year-old Clara Corrigan, in May last year after stabbing her 14 times.
 
The incident took place during the early hours of 29 May in Albufeira.
 
The defendant reportedly told the court that he couldn’t remember a thing about the frenzy as he had been out celebrating his birthday and the last thing he recalled was waking up in the GNR police station.
 
Despite walking free he was handed a suspended sentence to be sectioned for between three years and ten years and eight months, suspended for that same time, as well as being ordered to undergo routine drug and alcohol tests.
 
The Briton will be accompanied during this period by the Institute for Drugs and Addiction as well as by Social Services.
The GNR will also be keeping an eye on him to watch out for “new socially maladaptive behaviours”.
 
Ms. Corrigan was stabbed 14 times by Leighton after he took her back to his grandmother’s home after they met in a bar.

She managed to escape the attack and ask neighbours for help.
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