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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3690 on: June 15, 2018, 02:27:06 PM »
Was that from the apartment above 5A?  Didn't Mrs Fenn's apartment have an attempted break in?

Was it reported to the OC or the police? If not, how was anyone to judge an 'increase' in such crimes?
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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3691 on: June 15, 2018, 02:38:00 PM »
Was it reported to the OC or the police? If not, how was anyone to judge an 'increase' in such crimes?
Who knows how many break-ins or attempted break ins were reported to the OC, I don't suppose they would ever have told us.  But we know of two in the weeks leading up to Madeleine's disappearance, also of bogus charity collectors operating in the area.  Whether or not this level of crime is the norm in PdL I cannot say.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3692 on: June 15, 2018, 04:13:04 PM »
Anyone have the full SP on this?
An application was going to me made etc.
I can find no evidence of it ever coming to fruition. Any takers?

Kate and Gerry McCann bid for access to police files on Madeleine
KATE and Gerry McCann are set to play an active role in the new Portuguese police inquiry into their daughter’s disappearance, it was revealed yesterday. Their lawyers are preparing to apply for the status of “assistentes” or active participants under Portuguese law.

It means the couple could be alerted to new leads, receive case files and even request the questioning of witnesses.

Rogerio Alves, the McCanns’ lawyer, said yesterday that the couple had been informed in advance about the reopening of the inquiry at a meeting in Lisbon last week.

He added: “What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive, which is the sole aim of all the efforts they have been ­making.” If successful in their bid to be named assistentes, it will be a remarkable turnaround for the couple who were once officially regarded as suspects – arguidos – over the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439256/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-bid-for-access-to-police-files-on-Madeleine
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3693 on: June 15, 2018, 05:30:34 PM »
Anyone have the full SP on this?
An application was going to me made etc.
I can find no evidence of it ever coming to fruition. Any takers?

Kate and Gerry McCann bid for access to police files on Madeleine
KATE and Gerry McCann are set to play an active role in the new Portuguese police inquiry into their daughter’s disappearance, it was revealed yesterday. Their lawyers are preparing to apply for the status of “assistentes” or active participants under Portuguese law.

It means the couple could be alerted to new leads, receive case files and even request the questioning of witnesses.

Rogerio Alves, the McCanns’ lawyer, said yesterday that the couple had been informed in advance about the reopening of the inquiry at a meeting in Lisbon last week.

He added: “What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive, which is the sole aim of all the efforts they have been ­making.” If successful in their bid to be named assistentes, it will be a remarkable turnaround for the couple who were once officially regarded as suspects – arguidos – over the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439256/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-bid-for-access-to-police-files-on-Madeleine

Did not Amaral apply to be one of those?

Did we hear any more about that?

Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3694 on: June 15, 2018, 06:36:49 PM »
Anyone have the full SP on this?
An application was going to me made etc.
I can find no evidence of it ever coming to fruition. Any takers?

Kate and Gerry McCann bid for access to police files on Madeleine
KATE and Gerry McCann are set to play an active role in the new Portuguese police inquiry into their daughter’s disappearance, it was revealed yesterday. Their lawyers are preparing to apply for the status of “assistentes” or active participants under Portuguese law.

It means the couple could be alerted to new leads, receive case files and even request the questioning of witnesses.

Rogerio Alves, the McCanns’ lawyer, said yesterday that the couple had been informed in advance about the reopening of the inquiry at a meeting in Lisbon last week.

He added: “What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive, which is the sole aim of all the efforts they have been ­making.” If successful in their bid to be named assistentes, it will be a remarkable turnaround for the couple who were once officially regarded as suspects – arguidos – over the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/439256/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-bid-for-access-to-police-files-on-Madeleine


I never quite worked it out. They appear to have applied for the status, but it was refused because they were made arguidos in the meantime, then there's a letter from their lawyer saying that the two weren't incompatible... then that seems to be it (unless there's something lurking elsewhere in the files).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MCCANNS_ASSISTENTE.htm

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3695 on: June 29, 2018, 08:13:19 PM »
New lead as second William Tyrrell search finishes

Detectives searching for William Tyrrell have uncovered new information as they wrap up a targeted search of bushland near the NSW mid-north coast town of Kendall.

Search teams and cadaver dogs will now return to the main, larger search area near William's grandmother's home from where the toddler disappeared in September 2014.

The tiny community has been urged to cast a suspicious eye over family members,
friends and neighbours as pressure mounts to solve the mystery.

Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin earlier this week announced the investigation had zoned in on a second small patch of bushland about four kilometres from the home.

On Friday he confirmed police had completed the second search at Batar Creek without finding specific evidence - but new leads had emerged.

"While we have not located evidence of William being in this location, investigators have gained information from the search," he said in a statement.

AAP understands the new information did not come from within the search zone itself but was uncovered in the last few days. It was not a tip-off from the public.

The swarming police presence around the town is designed to put "pressure" on a person in the Kendall surrounds who has held back information from investigators.

"There is a person out there who knows why we are searching this area and will no doubt be feeling pressure from the intensity of the investigation," Det Insp Jubelin said.

He urged people to be aware of other peoples' behaviour in case they begin to crack under the scrutiny.

"I would encourage them to come forward with any information they have - William's family need answers as to what happened to their little boy."

The main search is expected to last for another week and a half.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-lead-as-second-william-tyrrell-search-finishes
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3696 on: June 29, 2018, 09:13:39 PM »
William Tyrrell: Strike Force Rosann returns on evidence mission to present case beyond reasonable doubt

THE search area has been narrowed and the NSW State Coroner is overseeing the next move by Strike Force Rosann in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

More than 15,000 pieces of information and lines of inquiry over the last three and a half years has brought the police contingent, led by Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, back to where it all began – Benaroon Drive in Kendall where the three-and-a-half year old disappeared without a trace on September 12, 2014.

Today, the street was noticeably absent of residents as media and police lined the roadside outside the home perched high on a corner block from where the little boy disappeared. The scrum stretched up the hill and to the fringe of thick bushland where the Strike Force has set up a command post – facing directly into a void of vegetation that may just hold some answers.

This time around they are not looking for a lost child, Det Ch Insp Jubelin said. The new search will be concentrated to just three square kilometres and will have a forensic focus.

The Strike Force, he said, want absolute certainty they have the investigation covered should it result in an arrest or go to an inquest.

“The search, which we anticipate will take about three to four weeks, will focus on a forensic search. We will be co-ordinating and documenting the areas we search and the purpose of this evidence, whether it’s presented to a court – coroner or criminal – is to prove that beyond reasonable doubt, William’s disappearance was the result of human intervention and not misadventure,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said from Benaroon Drive on June 13.

Fifty officers from the Public Order and Riot Squad have already entered bushland surrounding the property from where William vanished. The property at the time was owned by his grandmother and he was visiting with his foster family on the day of his suspected abduction.

They will scour the same area covered by police and emergency services in the 10 days after the child went missing, tracing every step and collecting evidence.

“(The search) will be of a lesser scale than last time but it will be more intense – roughly over three square kilometres,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“Fifty officers are involved in the search from the Public Order and Riot Squad and the State Planning Unit – they are the experts in this field. We are outlining what we require and they are providing the services.

“What I'm hoping from this search is we will have definitive evidence that we can present to a court if necessary.”

Det Insp Jubelin said time will be no barrier to finding evidence despite the fact the region has experienced the extremes of weather conditions over the last three years.

There is strategy behind the latest development in the investigation, he said, and refused to conclude the search for William had exhausted all possibility of an outcome.

"We have not given up on this investigation. We are committed to finding out what happened to William. We are mindful it has been three and half years since William disappeared and we still have not solved this matter,” he said.

The Tyrrell case will go to an inquest if it can’t be solved from a criminal perspective. But Det Insp Jubelin said there are still strong lines of inquiry and people of interest that have the focus of the Strike Force.

He said among those many lines of inquiry were early allegations of an active paedophile ring operating out of the mid north coast.

Until this matter is solved we will keep all lines of inquiry open. We need conclusive evidence before I can say one thing or another. That line of inquiry was a legitimate line of inquiry that we’ve explore and that didn’t provide any information that led to the charging of any person or the recovery of William.

“It’s appropriate for us at this particular point in time to conduct this search,” he said.

“What we have done is build up a database of evidence that we readily refer to. The search we are doing and the defined areas we are looking at is for a reason.

“Everything we do is planned. There is strategy behind every time we talk to the media and every inquiry we do. It's not done in an ad hoc fashion.

“We've got a deliberate plan and it was coordinated at this time because it suited the investigation.”

William was taken into foster care at 11 months old.

Police have previously ruled out his foster and biological families as having played a role in his disappearance.

A $1 million reward, unique in that it’s offered for the recovery of William and not the conviction of a person, still stands.

“We strongly believe there are people out there who have information on this and I make a point to those people – if you do have information concerning what happened to William you are at risk of committing a criminal offence by concealing an offence if you do not come forward,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“I suggest you come to us before we come to you.”

Strike Force Rosann continues to brief the family on the investigation and the latest leads and thanked the Kendall community for its ongoing support.

https://www.portnews.com.au/story/5465754/arrest-or-inquest-william-tyrrell-investigators-want-absolute-certainty/?src=rss
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3697 on: June 30, 2018, 12:00:39 AM »
William Tyrrell: Strike Force Rosann returns on evidence mission to present case beyond reasonable doubt

THE search area has been narrowed and the NSW State Coroner is overseeing the next move by Strike Force Rosann in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

More than 15,000 pieces of information and lines of inquiry over the last three and a half years has brought the police contingent, led by Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, back to where it all began – Benaroon Drive in Kendall where the three-and-a-half year old disappeared without a trace on September 12, 2014.

Today, the street was noticeably absent of residents as media and police lined the roadside outside the home perched high on a corner block from where the little boy disappeared. The scrum stretched up the hill and to the fringe of thick bushland where the Strike Force has set up a command post – facing directly into a void of vegetation that may just hold some answers.

This time around they are not looking for a lost child, Det Ch Insp Jubelin said. The new search will be concentrated to just three square kilometres and will have a forensic focus.

The Strike Force, he said, want absolute certainty they have the investigation covered should it result in an arrest or go to an inquest.

“The search, which we anticipate will take about three to four weeks, will focus on a forensic search. We will be co-ordinating and documenting the areas we search and the purpose of this evidence, whether it’s presented to a court – coroner or criminal – is to prove that beyond reasonable doubt, William’s disappearance was the result of human intervention and not misadventure,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said from Benaroon Drive on June 13.

Fifty officers from the Public Order and Riot Squad have already entered bushland surrounding the property from where William vanished. The property at the time was owned by his grandmother and he was visiting with his foster family on the day of his suspected abduction.

They will scour the same area covered by police and emergency services in the 10 days after the child went missing, tracing every step and collecting evidence.

“(The search) will be of a lesser scale than last time but it will be more intense – roughly over three square kilometres,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“Fifty officers are involved in the search from the Public Order and Riot Squad and the State Planning Unit – they are the experts in this field. We are outlining what we require and they are providing the services.

“What I'm hoping from this search is we will have definitive evidence that we can present to a court if necessary.”

Det Insp Jubelin said time will be no barrier to finding evidence despite the fact the region has experienced the extremes of weather conditions over the last three years.

There is strategy behind the latest development in the investigation, he said, and refused to conclude the search for William had exhausted all possibility of an outcome.

"We have not given up on this investigation. We are committed to finding out what happened to William. We are mindful it has been three and half years since William disappeared and we still have not solved this matter,” he said.

The Tyrrell case will go to an inquest if it can’t be solved from a criminal perspective. But Det Insp Jubelin said there are still strong lines of inquiry and people of interest that have the focus of the Strike Force.

He said among those many lines of inquiry were early allegations of an active paedophile ring operating out of the mid north coast.

Until this matter is solved we will keep all lines of inquiry open. We need conclusive evidence before I can say one thing or another. That line of inquiry was a legitimate line of inquiry that we’ve explore and that didn’t provide any information that led to the charging of any person or the recovery of William.

“It’s appropriate for us at this particular point in time to conduct this search,” he said.

“What we have done is build up a database of evidence that we readily refer to. The search we are doing and the defined areas we are looking at is for a reason.

“Everything we do is planned. There is strategy behind every time we talk to the media and every inquiry we do. It's not done in an ad hoc fashion.

“We've got a deliberate plan and it was coordinated at this time because it suited the investigation.”

William was taken into foster care at 11 months old.

Police have previously ruled out his foster and biological families as having played a role in his disappearance.

A $1 million reward, unique in that it’s offered for the recovery of William and not the conviction of a person, still stands.

“We strongly believe there are people out there who have information on this and I make a point to those people – if you do have information concerning what happened to William you are at risk of committing a criminal offence by concealing an offence if you do not come forward,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“I suggest you come to us before we come to you.”

Strike Force Rosann continues to brief the family on the investigation and the latest leads and thanked the Kendall community for its ongoing support.

https://www.portnews.com.au/story/5465754/arrest-or-inquest-william-tyrrell-investigators-want-absolute-certainty/?src=rss
A virtually impossible task even if they were to find the remains of the little boy.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3698 on: June 30, 2018, 06:59:12 AM »
A virtually impossible task even if they were to find the remains of the little boy.

It sounds like they have suspicions and are trying to flush the person out.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3699 on: June 30, 2018, 10:23:07 AM »
It sounds like they have suspicions and are trying to flush the person out.
Possible - but I wonder if it will work?
  Depends on what they are likely to find.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3700 on: June 30, 2018, 10:50:30 AM »
William Tyrrell: Strike Force Rosann returns on evidence mission to present case beyond reasonable doubt

THE search area has been narrowed and the NSW State Coroner is overseeing the next move by Strike Force Rosann in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.

More than 15,000 pieces of information and lines of inquiry over the last three and a half years has brought the police contingent, led by Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, back to where it all began – Benaroon Drive in Kendall where the three-and-a-half year old disappeared without a trace on September 12, 2014.

Today, the street was noticeably absent of residents as media and police lined the roadside outside the home perched high on a corner block from where the little boy disappeared. The scrum stretched up the hill and to the fringe of thick bushland where the Strike Force has set up a command post – facing directly into a void of vegetation that may just hold some answers.

This time around they are not looking for a lost child, Det Ch Insp Jubelin said. The new search will be concentrated to just three square kilometres and will have a forensic focus.

The Strike Force, he said, want absolute certainty they have the investigation covered should it result in an arrest or go to an inquest.

“The search, which we anticipate will take about three to four weeks, will focus on a forensic search. We will be co-ordinating and documenting the areas we search and the purpose of this evidence, whether it’s presented to a court – coroner or criminal – is to prove that beyond reasonable doubt, William’s disappearance was the result of human intervention and not misadventure,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said from Benaroon Drive on June 13.

Fifty officers from the Public Order and Riot Squad have already entered bushland surrounding the property from where William vanished. The property at the time was owned by his grandmother and he was visiting with his foster family on the day of his suspected abduction.

They will scour the same area covered by police and emergency services in the 10 days after the child went missing, tracing every step and collecting evidence.

“(The search) will be of a lesser scale than last time but it will be more intense – roughly over three square kilometres,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“Fifty officers are involved in the search from the Public Order and Riot Squad and the State Planning Unit – they are the experts in this field. We are outlining what we require and they are providing the services.

“What I'm hoping from this search is we will have definitive evidence that we can present to a court if necessary.”

Det Insp Jubelin said time will be no barrier to finding evidence despite the fact the region has experienced the extremes of weather conditions over the last three years.

There is strategy behind the latest development in the investigation, he said, and refused to conclude the search for William had exhausted all possibility of an outcome.

"We have not given up on this investigation. We are committed to finding out what happened to William. We are mindful it has been three and half years since William disappeared and we still have not solved this matter,” he said.

The Tyrrell case will go to an inquest if it can’t be solved from a criminal perspective. But Det Insp Jubelin said there are still strong lines of inquiry and people of interest that have the focus of the Strike Force.

He said among those many lines of inquiry were early allegations of an active paedophile ring operating out of the mid north coast.

Until this matter is solved we will keep all lines of inquiry open. We need conclusive evidence before I can say one thing or another. That line of inquiry was a legitimate line of inquiry that we’ve explore and that didn’t provide any information that led to the charging of any person or the recovery of William.

“It’s appropriate for us at this particular point in time to conduct this search,” he said.

“What we have done is build up a database of evidence that we readily refer to. The search we are doing and the defined areas we are looking at is for a reason.

“Everything we do is planned. There is strategy behind every time we talk to the media and every inquiry we do. It's not done in an ad hoc fashion.

“We've got a deliberate plan and it was coordinated at this time because it suited the investigation.”

William was taken into foster care at 11 months old.

Police have previously ruled out his foster and biological families as having played a role in his disappearance.

A $1 million reward, unique in that it’s offered for the recovery of William and not the conviction of a person, still stands.

“We strongly believe there are people out there who have information on this and I make a point to those people – if you do have information concerning what happened to William you are at risk of committing a criminal offence by concealing an offence if you do not come forward,” Det Insp Jubelin said.

“I suggest you come to us before we come to you.”

Strike Force Rosann continues to brief the family on the investigation and the latest leads and thanked the Kendall community for its ongoing support.

https://www.portnews.com.au/story/5465754/arrest-or-inquest-william-tyrrell-investigators-want-absolute-certainty/?src=rss


Yes, very interesting. This part also caught my attention "A $1 million reward, unique in that it’s offered for the recovery of William and not the conviction of a person, still stands" That is a lot of money! I would guess money isn't a factor to motivate those involved.
It is also interesting that a random dog walker doesn't pass by  -find the body and report it to grab the money...
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3701 on: June 30, 2018, 10:57:04 AM »
Possible - but I wonder if it will work?
  Depends on what they are likely to find.

Well, they have clearly asked people to watch each other while they pile on the psychological pressure by theit activities.
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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3702 on: June 30, 2018, 11:09:58 AM »
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Have a great weekend everyone.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline Carana

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3703 on: June 30, 2018, 11:21:08 AM »
It sounds like they have suspicions and are trying to flush the person out.

Yes, it does, whether they've narrowed their suspects down to one or several possibilities.

As in any country, they've had major screw-ups - cf the dingo case - (IMO - before anyone asks me to provide links), but also some extraordinary successes - cf Daniel Morcombe.

In the few cases I've read about, they now seem to have a clear media strategy (as does the UK, when it works).




Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #3704 on: June 30, 2018, 11:36:14 AM »
Yes, it does, whether they've narrowed their suspects down to one or several possibilities.

As in any country, they've had major screw-ups - cf the dingo case - (IMO - before anyone asks me to provide links), but also some extraordinary successes - cf Daniel Morcombe.

In the few cases I've read about, they now seem to have a clear media strategy (as does the UK, when it works).

They do seem to be focusing on the immediate area, not further afield. If it doesn't work it will be baclk to the drawing board, I suppose.
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