Kate McCann insisted that Gerry and Dave go out searching for Madeleine.

[sadie]

Good one.  That is the bit I'd make a point of noting.

Good one?  What do you mean - good one?

Seems to me that you have been planted here to find anything you (think) you can against the Mccanns.

How silly that statement is, Gerry knew the police had been called.  The place for him to wait was at the apartment ... or very close by.   He had already searched close by.  People were calling in.  Kate was in no fit condition to take care of them and neither it seems was Gerry ... but despite that, they had to do their best with helping the police.

[Eleanor]

Good one?  What do you mean - good one?

Seems to me that you have been planted here to find anything you (think) you can against the Mccanns.

How silly that statement is, Gerry knew the police had been called.  The place for him to wait was at the apartment ... or very close by.   He had already searched close by.  People were calling in.  Kate was in no fit condition to take care of them and neither it seems was Gerry ... but despite that, they had to do their best with helping the police.

Take this Thread for what it's worth, Sadie.  It's a joke, in the absence of anything else at the moment.

[pathfinder73]

The only joke is that Gerry claims he went to main reception to check that the police were called. Mrs Fenn offered her phone at 10:30 but Gerry said the police had been notified. Well that's not true. The police were first called later at 10:41. A total contradiction.

[Eleanor]

The only joke is that Gerry claims he went to main reception to check that the police were called. Mrs Fenn offered her phone at 10:30 but Gerry said the police had been notified. Well that's not true. The police were first called later at 10:41. A total contradiction.

Gerry thought that The Police had been called.  Unless of course, you can prove that Gerry knew that The Police hadn't been called.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry thought that The Police had been called.  Unless of course, you can prove that Gerry knew that The Police hadn't been called.

His arguido interview answer is clear.

"When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom."

Gerry is outdoors searching not at main reception as his interview answer suggests. He didn't get to main reception until 10:40. Matt was there at 10:10 onwards.

"I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well." (MO)

30 minutes is a long time to be running through back streets where Smithman was seen and is still unidentified.

[Eleanor]

His arguido interview answer is clear.

"When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom."

Gerry is outdoors searching not at main reception as his interview answer suggests. He didn't get to main reception until 10:40. Matt was there at 10:10 onwards.

"I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well." (MO)

30 minutes is a long time to be running through back streets where Smithman was seen and is still unidentified.

This is not a logical reply to my post.  Just prove that Gerry knew that The Police hadn't been called.  Thank you in advance.

[ferryman]

Distraught loved-ones of a missing person (especially child) should never be required to look for the missing loved-one.

Certainly in England, they are actively discouraged from doing so.

[Brietta]

Distraught loved-ones of a missing person (especially child) should never be required to look for the missing loved-one.

Certainly in England, they are actively discouraged from doing so.

The open window had convinced them that Madeleine had been abducted.  They knew the surrounding area where she might have been discarded had been and was still in the process of being checked by staff and volunteer searchers.  They were aware of the necessity for police intervention and protocols at that stage.

I cannot imagine what horrors might have been going through their minds at that moment in time ... nor would I be prepared to criticise any action they may have taken or not taken ... particularly as Madeleine continues to be missing years down the line. 

Proving that whatever they had done in the immediate aftermath of her disappearance would have been futile in terms of her recovery.  She was gone and in my opinion could very well have been in a vehicle heading out of Luz as the police were heading in.

[sadie]

His arguido interview answer is clear.

"When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom."

Gerry is outdoors searching not at main reception as his interview answer suggests. He didn't get to main reception until 10:40. Matt was there at 10:10 onwards.

"I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well." (MO)

30 minutes is a long time to be running through back streets where Smithman was seen and is still unidentified.

Stop making things up Pfinder

" He [Gerry] didn't get to main reception until 10:40. Matt was there at 10:10 onwards".

and then in the next paragraph from Matts statement, you record he says:

" Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm"


You are contradicting yourself Pfinder, but at the same time trying to make something bad out of it for Gerry.  What nonsense.

[pathfinder73]

"Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'" Matt Oldfield

"I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'." Fiona Payne

[sadie]

"Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police, so I actually went down the route to where she would have gone for Nursery drop off, which his back to the, to the main reception essentially, so I went down that route looking for her at that time and I asked the reception to phone the Police, and that must have been about five past, it's difficult to know what time it was at that time, but maybe about ten past ten, five past ten, ten past ten'" Matt Oldfield

"I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'." Fiona Payne

Yep, that is quite correct

BUT it doesn't exclude the fact that Gerry might have asked Matt to go as well.

Why do you always disbelieve Gerry for no reason ?

[Robittybob1]

Good one?  What do you mean - good one?

Seems to me that you have been planted here to find anything you (think) you can against the Mccanns.

How silly that statement is, Gerry knew the police had been called.  The place for him to wait was at the apartment ... or very close by.   He had already searched close by.  People were calling in.  Kate was in no fit condition to take care of them and neither it seems was Gerry ... but despite that, they had to do their best with helping the police.

The way I understood it was that someone asked the Mark Warner staff to call the police, but it is their company policy not to call the police in a missing child case but to do a search first then call the police.  So it was a good thing to check that the police had been rung.  But on the other hand any perpetrator would also like to know if the police are coming and when so they/he can cover their trails as much as possible.
I had lost concentration in the posts of who exactly "went back to check the police had been called".  I could imagine many asked the same question to the staff and to each other.

[Robittybob1]

Yep, that is quite correct

BUT it doesn't exclude the fact that Gerry might have asked Matt to go as well.

Why do you always disbelieve Gerry for no reason ?

But if any of them was guilty of any part of anything they would be the least likely to abide by a request to "call the police", or even they may just pretend to call the police but don't actually do it.
Would a perpetrator ever call the police?
""I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'." Fiona Payne"  If that is true then I'd say Fiona is OK.
But did Matt obey Fiona?

[sadie]

But if any of them was guilty of any part of anything they would be the least likely to abide by a request to "call the police", or even they may just pretend to call the police but don't actually do it.
Would a perpetrator ever call the police?
""I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'." Fiona Payne"  If that is true then I'd say Fiona is OK.
But did Matt obey Fiona?

Are you accusing Matt of something dreadful ?

[Robittybob1]

Are you accusing Matt of something dreadful ?

No.
I was simply suggesting to you guys to look in the files to see if Matt responded to Fiona's clear instruction.  I haven't checked that out myself.  Did he even pass that instruction on to someone else?