Was the colour of the bedroom curtains as seen by Matt a clue?

[Alfie]

Burglary is always a possibility.

Yet the McCann's claimed it felt safe.

It is the McCann supporters who are trying to have their cake....

In what way?

[Alfie]

One of the oft repeated mantras (for want of a better word) from "sceptics" (for want of a better word) is that burglars aren't interested in harming or abducting children - so how (in the opinion of the "sceptics") was leaving the door unlocked putting the kids in harm's way...?

[stephen25000]

In what way?

We are tlod again and again, the McCann's felt safe, and that is why they didn't lock the doors at night.

It is a contradiction which in the light of logic can be dispelled, as they locked the apartment during the days.

As to a burglar, no evidence of that, likewise no evident nice anyone else had been in the apartment, unless of course you believe in fairies.

[Alfie]

We are tlod again and again, the McCann's felt safe, and that is why they didn't lock the doors at night.

It is a contradiction which in the light of logic can be dispelled, as they locked the apartment during the days.

As to a burglar, no evidence of that, likewise no evident nice anyone else had been in the apartment, unless of course you believe in fairies.

The difference is - during the day they were away from their apartment for hours at a time, in the evening they were regularly going back and forth to check on the kids at the apartment.   Stephen, I don't believe in fairies, but like you I believe that leaving a door unlocked is potentially risky, even if you feel it is safe to do so. 

[stephen25000]

The difference is - during the day they were away from their apartment for hours at a time, in the evening they were regularly going back and forth to check on the kids at the apartment.   Stephen, I don't believe in fairies, but like you I believe that leaving a door unlocked is potentially risky, even if you feel it is safe to do so.

To the contrary Alfie, I think leaving the door unlocked was a cretinous thing to do, as it left the three young children totally unprotected.

As to the 'regular' checks, some verified, some not.

[Lace]

To the contrary Alfie, I think leaving the door unlocked was a cretinous thing to do, as it left the three young children totally unprotected.

As to the 'regular' checks, some verified, some not.

This is your favourite subject isn't it?   Over and over you repeat what the McCann's did,  why?   They know what they did,  they know they shouldn't have done it,  they explained why they did it,  they wish they hadn't done it, they wish they could put the clocks back but they can't.  They suffer for it every day they are without Madeleine. Enough.

[ferryman]

The difference is - during the day they were away from their apartment for hours at a time, in the evening they were regularly going back and forth to check on the kids at the apartment.   Stephen, I don't believe in fairies, but like you I believe that leaving a door unlocked is potentially risky, even if you feel it is safe to do so.

I confess to, personally, a slightly different take on that.

Let me put it like this.

If you were satisfied that your kids had good road awareness and the school was a reasonable distance away, you would be happy to let them walk to school unsupervised (I imagine!).

But would you leave a trail of £20 notes on the streets your children walk along to get to school?

No, of course you wouldn't.

Does that mean that you love money more than you love your kids?

No, of course it doesn't.

What it does mean is that far fewer people in the world steal or threaten kids than money or property (thank God!)

So the McCanns were not prioritising possessions higher than their children (in my estimation)

[ferryman]

I see we are way off-topic (colour of the bedroom curtains) ....

[Alfie]

To the contrary Alfie, I think leaving the door unlocked was a cretinous thing to do, as it left the three young children totally unprotected.

As to the 'regular' checks, some verified, some not.

Totally unprotected from what though?  I thought the view was that burglars don't harm or abduct children?  As to your use of the word "cretinous" are you aware that this is an offensive term often used to describe people with mental retardation?  Leaving the door unlocked was foolish, had they locked the door what would that have been...?

[Alice Purjorick]

Well do you think the same curtains are still there?  The same fabric colour and density, and if they are we can wait till we get a day of similar weather pattern as 03/05/2007 which has definitely been recorded, and then attempt the reconstruction of the whooshing curtains.

As far as orientation it is simply North facing children's bedroom.  I would prefer to do the reconstruction in apartment 5A to keep as many factors as possible the same.

To what end?

[Robittybob1]

To what end?

to see what other window or door (if any) needed to be open to get the curtains to whoosh.

[sadie]

No Sadie.

You need to get a grip.

They weren't in  their back garden, and if you think they were.................

Face facts stephen.   It WAS the garden for the apartments and they had one of the apartments, so effectively it WAS THEIR back garden. 

My previous back garden was 50+ metres long and it felt absolutely OK to be there with the children asleep in an unlocked house.  Little doubt about it, they would feel the same.

[stephen25000]

Face facts stephen.   It WAS the garden for the apartments and they had one of the apartments, so effectively it WAS THEIR back garden. 

My previous back garden was 50+ metres long and it felt absolutely OK to be there with the children asleep in an unlocked house.  Little doubt about it, they would feel the same.

Total and utter BS.

I've read some rubbish in my time, but that takes the biscuit.

[sadie]

Total and utter BS.

I've read some rubbish in my time, but that takes the biscuit.

Have YOU been there and seen stephen?

Well I have and it felt very safe ... just like in my back garden


PS I would be interested to know why you considered it BS (as you so politely put it  )

[ShiningInLuz]

Face facts stephen.   It WAS the garden for the apartments and they had one of the apartments, so effectively it WAS THEIR back garden. 

My previous back garden was 50+ metres long and it felt absolutely OK to be there with the children asleep in an unlocked house.  Little doubt about it, they would feel the same.

It definitely was not their back garden.  Their back garden was a few metres long and a few metres wide.

They had the option of eating in, in "their back garden, their patio", and those were but two of the many options they declined.

A communal restaurant reached by going out of one entrance, separated from their garden by a passageway plus another entrance to get to a restaurant, does not come close to anyone's back garden.