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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #300 on: May 19, 2017, 01:54:11 PM »
No one has ever said how Sheila was able to put the rifle within inches of Nevill's face for his first two shots.

These shots were after Nevill had called Bamber downstairs to say "Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun".

He either rushed upstairs unprotected after hearing bedroom shots, but did nothing except get shot in the face from inches away.

Or he walked up stairs & was caught by surprise. Not seeing Sheila move forward pointing a gun at his face. This is less likely after what he had said to Bamber.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6883.msg293857#msg293857

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #301 on: May 19, 2017, 02:02:23 PM »
I'm getting confused!

The objects in David's gif appear to leave the firearm and travel in a forward motion and ricochet back to the shooter along a very similar path.  To my eye these look like bullets not casings?

The objects in your vid are, as you said, all over the place and are clearly casings?

Nope... definitely casings not bullets. The latter travel much faster and hit the target without rebounding.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #302 on: May 19, 2017, 02:15:44 PM »
Nope... definitely casings not bullets. The latter travel much faster and hit the target without rebounding.

If they're casings how come they're ricocheting straight back to shooter?

If the vid is high speed it will allow us to observe the bullet being fired, hitting the target and ricocheting back before the ejected casings appear? The subsonic bullets used at WHF leave the muzzle at 1040 ft/s.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #303 on: May 19, 2017, 03:10:55 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6883.msg293857#msg293857

This doesn't explain how Sheila was confident & lucky enough to move the rifle nozzle to within inches of his face. Or how Nevill allowed it to happen and did nothing.

It just says Nevill approached the main bedroom and was shot in the lip & jaw. Although the bullet casings were inside the bedroom.

« Last Edit: May 19, 2017, 03:21:19 PM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #304 on: May 19, 2017, 03:20:34 PM »
It's almost certain 6 of the 8 casings June's side of the bed, either on the bed or floor, relate to her gsw's.  How the remaining 6 relate to June's head gsw's and NB's 4 so-called upstairs gsw's is imo unclear. 

If NB was upright when he sustained the other gsw's how do you explain the downward trajectories when NB was taller than JB and SC?

It is necessary to pivot victims, perp, barrel and ejection port around in the mind's eye to test various theories.

Downward trajectories, Nevill was getting out of bed. Or hunching trying but failing to avoid getting shot in the face.

As mentioned Nevill was shot twice in the face. He was awake but had not had time to react. The nozzle being inches away from his face.

He was then shot in the arm as he started moving & then in the back as he attempted to escape a male gunman in the dark.

Seems straight forward.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #305 on: May 19, 2017, 04:08:39 PM »
This doesn't explain how Sheila was confident & lucky enough to move the rifle nozzle to within inches of his face. Or how Nevill allowed it to happen and did nothing.

It just says Nevill approached the main bedroom and was shot in the lip & jaw. Although the bullet casings were inside the bedroom.

Well the "within inches" was estimated by MF.  Based on his intro to the court re a small amount of experience with an air rifle as a small boy is he a credible expert to be relied upon?  Assuming he is and his estimates are reasonably accurate then it seems to me NB hearing the sound of gunshot whilst he was in the kitchen run upstairs and SC swung round from firing shots at June and the barrel of the rifle met NB's face on the upper of the two landing stairs putting one stair depth between NB and SC which would account for their difference in height and downward trajectory of NB's facial gsw's.  What can anyone do when faced with someone in possession of a loaded firearm prepared to pull the trigger?  For this to be the case the casing ejection port would need to remain in the bedroom with the right angle of the wall catching the casings dropping them to the ground or richocheting as per David's diagram. 

As I've said before if the perp fired out onto the landing but the casing ejection port remained in the bedroom with the wall impeding the flight of the casings then casings can end up in the bedroom with NB sustaining his gsw's out of it. The rifle is 43" long.  The bullet obviously comes out the end of the barrel and the casing ejection port is near the trigger pull.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #306 on: May 19, 2017, 04:17:09 PM »
Downward trajectories, Nevill was getting out of bed. Or hunching trying but failing to avoid getting shot in the face.

As mentioned Nevill was shot twice in the face. He was awake but had not had time to react. The nozzle being inches away from his face.

He was then shot in the arm as he started moving & then in the back as he attempted to escape a male gunman in the dark.

Seems straight forward.

It's really not straight forward when you consider the parameters:

Distance of shots - within inches
Trajectories - approx 20 degrees below the horizontal
Wound tracks - straight from front to back

Are you able to put forward a credible theory as to how JB murdered his family including the casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #307 on: May 19, 2017, 05:01:18 PM »
It's really not straight forward when you consider the parameters:

Distance of shots - within inches
Trajectories - approx 20 degrees below the horizontal
Wound tracks - straight from front to back

Are you able to put forward a credible theory as to how JB murdered his family including the casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks?

My Bamber scenario has been up for years. And it does not include bouncing casings, 3am phone calls & men & women walking around WHF bare footed having a chat.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #308 on: May 19, 2017, 05:27:00 PM »
My Bamber scenario has been up for years. And it does not include bouncing casings, 3am phone calls & men & women walking around WHF bare footed having a chat.

Should be worth a read them.  Is it here? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #310 on: May 19, 2017, 05:40:56 PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6549.msg294956.html#msg294956

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Not too much forensic detail by way of ballistics and patholgical evidence but  *&(+(+ anyway.  I always enjoy reading your posts finding they have a slightly different twist  8)-)))   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #311 on: May 19, 2017, 07:22:18 PM »
Thanks.  I've just quoted it above.  You don't read my posts  %#£%

Haven' read much on here in a while. I found the study while looking for something else, given that it is in the commonwealth. Are you suggesting she deliberately married someone from overseas to evade being brought back to court? I don't think so!
« Last Edit: May 20, 2017, 12:03:34 PM by Caroline »

david1819

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Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #312 on: May 21, 2017, 08:22:35 PM »
If you want to establish facts why are you so careless with them?  Eg claiming the wet blood photos are authentic when bogus lawyer GDS and his cronies claim they were taken at a time before the police photographer even arrrived at WHF!?  Claiming the marks on NB's arms were caused by fingernails when the pathologist refers to the marks and doesn't attribute them to fingernails.  Claiming SC died significantly later than the other victims when all the expert evidence suggests otherwise: Dr Craig, Dr Vanezis, Prof Knight. 


None of the expert evidence (Dr Craig, Dr Vanezis, Prof Knight) suggests otherwise at all. We have had this argument enough times I don't intend on repeating it. You don't have to share the same view.


Referring to me as "catty" is somewhat hypocritical when you spend hours, if not days, trawling through posters' posts to find something which contradicts their current position.  How is this attempting to establish facts and help correct possible injustice?  Who gives a flying fig what posters on an internet forum think?  I just see it as an opportunity to debate the case and improve my overall understanding of it.

Just to clear things up. I do not "spend hours, if not days, trawling through posters' posts". It all began when someone who has been on the forums a very long time PM'd me and pointed out to me that my efforts in debating Caroline were in vain by showing me lots of her older posts(If you don't believe me I have the PMs). Since Caroline and Jane J are on a relentless campaign to influence opinion and will even follow us to other forums, They have to be dealt with. Posting their old posts is not only easier/quicker than typing out a fresh reply it also  demonstrates to other users that they not there to have an honest debate.

The only time I have spent days looking through someone's posts is going through Mikes ten thousand or more  uploads looking for case evidence.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #313 on: May 21, 2017, 11:01:31 PM »
Haven' read much on here in a while. I found the study while looking for something else, given that it is in the commonwealth. Are you suggesting she deliberately married someone from overseas to evade being brought back to court? I don't think so!

I'm sorry I don't understand your post.  The authors of the link you uploaded re casing ejection patterns are from US which isn't part of the Commonwealth?  If by "she" you mean JM I don't recall the thought even crossing my mind let alone posting about it? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #314 on: May 21, 2017, 11:07:14 PM »
None of the expert evidence (Dr Craig, Dr Vanezis, Prof Knight) suggests otherwise at all. We have had this argument enough times I don't intend on repeating it. You don't have to share the same view.


Just to clear things up. I do not "spend hours, if not days, trawling through posters' posts". It all began when someone who has been on the forums a very long time PM'd me and pointed out to me that my efforts in debating Caroline were in vain by showing me lots of her older posts(If you don't believe me I have the PMs). Since Caroline and Jane J are on a relentless campaign to influence opinion and will even follow us to other forums, They have to be dealt with. Posting their old posts is not only easier/quicker than typing out a fresh reply it also  demonstrates to other users that they not there to have an honest debate.

The only time I have spent days looking through someone's posts is going through Mikes ten thousand or more  uploads looking for case evidence.

Oh of course.  I couldn't agree more.  I'll hold them down and you tickle them  ?>)()<.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?