Let's hope Netflix sticks to the established facts in the case and not get carried away by semantics or threats of litigation which the McCann love to roll out when it suits.
Let's hope Netflix sticks to the established facts in the case and not get carried away by semantics or threats of litigation which the McCann love to roll out when it suits.
I also hope they expose the criminal conduct by certain individuals post disappearance for which they have yet to answer.
Let's hope Netflix sticks to the established facts in the case and not get carried away by semantics or threats of litigation which the McCann love to roll out when it suits.Have you had your meeting with the PJ yet?
I also hope they expose the criminal conduct by certain individuals post disappearance for which they have yet to answer.
Madeleine McCann's parents' poignant Christmas message to supporters.Oh they went to the media- how enterprising of them, how much 'following' do they have in the UK? and why do parents of other children not thank people via the media who write to them letters of support? ?{)(**
By James Rodger
Published on 26 December 2019
Kate and Gerry McCann posted the message as they face their 13th Christmas without their daughter, who vanished aged three while the family were on holiday in Portugal.
The parents of Madeleine McCann have said the search continues with "unwavering commitment" in a Christmas message to supporters.
The message, on the official Find Madeleine Facebook page, said "nothing has changed".
It added: "We love her, we miss her, we hope as always.
"Thank you to all our supporters for your steadfastness and compassion this year again and your warm Christmas wishes."
"Thank you to all our supporters for your steadfastness and compassion this year again and your warm Christmas wishes."
Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors and devout Catholics, have always pledged never to give up the search for their daughter.
In a statement, the 12th anniversary of her disappearance, they said: "The months and years roll by too quickly, Madeleine will be 16 this month.
"It's impossible to put into words just how that makes us feel.
"There is comfort and reassurance though in knowing that the investigation continues and many people around the world remain vigilant.
"Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and for your ongoing hope and belief.
Scotland Yard launched an investigation, Operation Grange, into her disappearance in 2013 after a Portuguese inquiry failed to make any headway.
So far the investigation has cost £11.75 million with the Home Office agreeing to fund the hunt for Madeleine until at least March next year.
Her whereabouts remain unknown, but the case has recently been thrown back into the spotlight by a new eight-part Netflix series.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-poignant-christmas-17473738
Oh they went to the media- how enterprising of them, how much 'following' do they have in the UK? and why do parents of other children not thank people via the media who write to them letters of support? ?{)(**what an unpleasant rant imo.
Some really gob smacking quotes:
"The search for Madeleine goes on with unwavering commitment".
So tell us about this unwavering commitment, what does it entail?
" both doctors and devout Catholics, have always pledged never to give up the search for their daughter.
"
hardly devout Catholics- with their foul language on display. What search have they been doing?
"There is comfort and reassurance though in knowing that the investigation continues and many people around the world remain vigilant."
Fanciful statement many people round the world being vigilant. a few fanatics yes ..maybe...
Do they trot off round the world to see for themselves these'sightings'
Oh they went to the media- how enterprising of them, how much 'following' do they have in the UK? and why do parents of other children not thank people via the media who write to them letters of support? ?{)(**
Some really gob smacking quotes:
"The search for Madeleine goes on with unwavering commitment".
So tell us about this unwavering commitment, what does it entail?
" both doctors and devout Catholics, have always pledged never to give up the search for their daughter.
"
hardly devout Catholics- with their foul language on display. What search have they been doing?
"There is comfort and reassurance though in knowing that the investigation continues and many people around the world remain vigilant."
Fanciful statement many people round the world being vigilant. a few fanatics yes ..maybe...
Do they trot off round the world to see for themselves these'sightings'
this is a message specifically directed to supporters...so its none of your business..you aren't expected to like it and no one really cares what you think of itI do.
I do.Why?
I do.
this is a message specifically directed to supporters...so its none of your business..you aren't expected to like it and no one really cares what you think of it
An exclusive club is it? Perhaps a public social media platform is the wrong place to have their private little chats then.
An exclusive club is it? Perhaps a public social media platform is the wrong place to have their private little chats then.
Its a supporters ball and sceptics can't play.
Its clearly a message for supporters...it isnt private...as that what it says. What sceptics think is of no importance.
Neither is what 3.3K supporters think.
Neither is what 3.3K supporters think.
Neither is what 3.3K supporters think.What does that figure refer to?
Neither is what 3.3K supporters think.
'Devout catholics', but no wee note of thanks to their god?Thanks to God are usually put in prayers, not posted on Facebook - He doesn’t do Social Media.
Thanks to God are usually put in prayers, not posted on Facebook - He doesn’t do Social Media.Doesn't seem too keen on helping either.
Doesn't seem too keen on helping either.The McCanns have stayed out of prison for the last 12 years - God is obviously on their side. 8(0(*
The McCanns have stayed out of prison for the last 12 years - God is obviously on their side. 8(0(*"Well, I'll put it this way: you can certainly say belief in God makes people behave worse. That can be proved beyond a doubt." C Hitchens.
"Well, I'll put it this way: you can certainly say belief in God makes people behave worse. That can be proved beyond a doubt." C Hitchens.
He's wrong... Bless him..... It makes some people behave worse..There's context to that quote that I won't bore you with it any further.
I believe in the power of Good.. As opposed to God
There's context to that quote that I won't bore you with any further.
I'm offtopicular enough as it is and will face further censure.
"Well, I'll put it this way: you can certainly say belief in God makes people behave worse. That can be proved beyond a doubt." C Hitchens.
"Well, I'll put it this way: you can certainly say belief in God makes people behave worse. That can be proved beyond a doubt." C Hitchens.you think belief in God made the McCanns chuck their daughter’s body in the bin?
you think belief in God made the McCanns chuck their daughter’s body in the bin?Your penchant for distilling any obscure post down to a trope you can understand, albeit erroneously, is endearing.
Your penchant for distilling any obscure post down to a trope you can understand, albeit erroneously, is endearing.Let’s keep on topic shall we? You brought up their devout Catholicism, you reckoned God had abandoned them, you claimed belief in God makes people do bad things. What is a person supposed to take from you inane witterings?
Davel and I were having a more general, embrionic discussion encompassing moral relativism, morality and religion and the relationship between religious views and morals and the inherent value frameworks regarding personal behaviour.
Let’s keep on topic shall we? You brought up their devout Catholicism, you reckoned God had abandoned them, you claimed belief in God makes people do bad things. What is a person supposed to take from you inane witterings?I actually attempted to re-rail this thread earlier, but you asked me a question.
I actually attempted to re-rail this thread earlier, but you asked me a question.Yeah, the topic is - mocking the McCanns for making a post thanking their supporters on Facebook. Got another angle apart from the religion one yet to take the piss with?.
Let's get back to the topic; the grown ups are talking now.
Yeah, the topic is - mocking the McCanns for making a post thanking their supporters on Facebook. Got another angle apart from the religion one yet to take the piss with?.OK, what is it? A sincere, carefully worded 'Christmas Card' to their supporters?
OK, what is it? A sincere, carefully worded 'Christmas Card' to their supporters?Yawn.
I've got no truck with that. As Davel said earlier, it's got nothing to do with me. So much so that I haven't read the original version - I don't have Facepage - so the regurgitated Birmingham Mail version is the one I've seen.
I probably wouldn't have even seen it if it wasn't on here.
But I'm an agitant atheist and can't keep my goddam mouth shut - that's why all of my posts are being individually monitored by an unseen, omnipotent judge................ - O M G ........like god!!!
Yawn.Bless you, my son / daughter.
Bless you, my son / daughter.you need to up your game Sonny.
you need to up your game Sonny.My game has been moderated out of existence, alas. Forum's loss.
Its clearly a message for supporters...it isnt private...as that what it says. What sceptics think is of no importance.
OK, what is it? A sincere, carefully worded 'Christmas Card' to their supporters?
I've got no truck with that. As Davel said earlier, it's got nothing to do with me. So much so that I haven't read the original version - I don't have Facepage - so the regurgitated Birmingham Mail version is the one I've seen.
I probably wouldn't have even seen it if it wasn't on here.
But I'm an agitant atheist and can't keep my goddam mouth shut - that's why all of my posts are being individually monitored by an unseen, omnipotent judge................ - O M G ........like god!!!
Christmas 2019
Nothing has changed.....we love her, we miss her, we hope as always.
The search for Madeleine goes on with unwavering commitment.
Thank you to all our supporters for your steadfastness and compassion this year again and your warm Christmas wishes.
Wishing you a very happy 2020.
Kate & Gerry(https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/80233742_10157763097929931_1771015732847443968_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=3c0otQKRUd8AQmfBeAwQNaMVi-WrMufNBPnpRNBdab2DOEDvB25XHWKNQ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-2.fna&oh=0e9687215082173037f6024ed95a145e&oe=5EB23CF8)
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2654.msg567027#msg567027
My do they sound bored ! Even they can’t be bothered writing something with a smidgen of emotion.
Unwavering commitment? By whom ? Certainly not them. Even the sporadic updating of their Facebook page seems to be an effort these days.
OK, what is it? A sincere, carefully worded 'Christmas Card' to their supporters?im also a atheist i have always believed religon causes trouble and war
I've got no truck with that. As Davel said earlier, it's got nothing to do with me. So much so that I haven't read the original version - I don't have Facepage - so the regurgitated Birmingham Mail version is the one I've seen.
I probably wouldn't have even seen it if it wasn't on here.
But I'm an agitant atheist and can't keep my goddam mouth shut - that's why all of my posts are being individually monitored by an unseen, omnipotent judge................ - O M G ........like god!!!
My do they sound bored ! Even they can’t be bothered writing something with a smidgen of emotion.Have they posted their accounts on time? Be sure to let us know - we’re all agog.
Unwavering commitment? By whom ? Certainly not them. Even the sporadic updating of their Facebook page seems to be an effort these days.
im also a atheist i have always believed religon causes trouble and warNo God created the most important trinity of all,H2O.
Have they posted their accounts on time? Be sure to let us know - we’re all agog.Sounds like you've looked.
Christmas 2019Nice font.
Nothing has changed.....we love her, we miss her, we hope as always.
The search for Madeleine goes on with unwavering commitment.
Thank you to all our supporters for your steadfastness and compassion this year again and your warm Christmas wishes.
Wishing you a very happy 2020.
Kate & Gerry(https://scontent.flhr2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/80233742_10157763097929931_1771015732847443968_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=3c0otQKRUd8AQmfBeAwQNaMVi-WrMufNBPnpRNBdab2DOEDvB25XHWKNQ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-2.fna&oh=0e9687215082173037f6024ed95a145e&oe=5EB23CF8)
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign/
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2654.msg567027#msg567027
well its 10.24pm here in australia summer time so not long to 12am so happy new year
well its 10.24pm here in australia summer time so not long to 12am so happy new year
Thank You, Carly.
There is a while to go here yet.
Best Hope for The McCanns and Madeleine. Hope is All.
A little over 17 months til she'd be 18,ward of court runs out reaching adulthood,do Grange have that little time left remembering Rowley:It won't go on for as long as it has.
Why should that matter? Minors can't just be snatched off the streets.
At eighteen Madeleine would become her own person. While in the meantime Operation Grange could well be just keeping track.
People forget if she's still alive she is no longer a minor,of course the McCann would miss her as the child,but reality is nothing like 2007.
What has that got to do with anything? She is still Madeleine McCann and still their daughter.
But surely nothing like the person she once was - assuming she is still alive, of course.
People forget if she's still alive she is no longer a minor,of course the McCann would miss her as the child,but reality is nothing like 2007.
Why should that matter? Minors can't just be snatched off the streets.
At eighteen Madeleine would become her own person. While in the meantime Operation Grange could well be just keeping track.
She is no longer that minor,how do Grange go about finding her?
They already have found her. In My Opinion.
They already have found her. In My Opinion.
Well what are they waiting for? Christmas?
Use your common sense, will you. Madeleine is still a minor.
Do you think the McCanns know?
Use your common sense, will you. Madeleine is still a minor.
What difference does that make?
You know nothing about The Law, do you. No matter how true it still has to be proven. How would you go about that?
That magical thing called DNA.
That magical thing called DNA.
And how do you go about getting that, with chain of evidence if her "Parents" refuse?
And how do you go about getting that, with chain of evidence if her "Parents" refuse?
They've got her under surveillance by all 4 SY officers haven't they?
If she ever ate at a restaurant or smoked a stogie, bingo.
Alternatively they could just seize the bin bags from her house, bound to have her DNA in there.
They've got her under surveillance by all 4 SY officers haven't they?
If she ever ate at a restaurant or smoked a stogie, bingo.
Alternatively they could just seize the bin bags from her house, bound to have her DNA in there.
They could of course just roll up to the national police force and say,look we need to rule this child out or in,Interpol or even the Foreign Office could/should be involved.Imagine if SY were acting illegally in their surveillance.
They've got her under surveillance by all 4 SY officers haven't they?
If she ever ate at a restaurant or smoked a stogie, bingo.
Alternatively they could just seize the bin bags from her house, bound to have her DNA in there.
Hardly given she hasn't been around for 12 years.
As an idea, 'surveillance' may sound doable. In reality it's a complex operation using more resources than Operation Grange have at their disposal. Another country's police force would do it only if there was clear evidence that there was a good reason for doing it and a clear end date imo.Do you suppose that police forces of different countries don't routinely communicate with and cooperate with each other in certain circumstances as it is ?
Do you suppose that police forces of different countries don't routinely communicate with and cooperate with each other in certain circumstances as it is ?
Surveillance was the subject of discussion. Operation Grange don't have the personnel to do it in the UK. They don't have jurisdiction to do it elsewhere. Another police force would require very strong evidence to persuade them to do it imo. If Op Grange have very strong evidence then it would be used to question the people concerned, not watch them.
I was talking about the house she is currently living in, where SY have her under surveillance.
Surveillance was the subject of discussion. Operation Grange don't have the personnel to do it in the UK. They don't have jurisdiction to do it elsewhere. Another police force would require very strong evidence to persuade them to do it imo. If Op Grange have very strong evidence then it would be used to question the people concerned, not watch them.
Is this an April Fool thread?
I think people are seriously deluding themselves if they believe for a moment that there is currently any serious attempts being made to find Maddie. Truth is that it just ain't happening.
Isn't it already available to the PJ given that her hairbrush was made available shortly after she disappeared?
Good thinking 8((()*/
As an idea, 'surveillance' may sound doable. In reality it's a complex operation using more resources than Operation Grange have at their disposal. Another country's police force would do it only if there was clear evidence that there was a good reason for doing it and a clear end date imo.
Perhaps police in another country located Madeleine on their turf and are cooperating with Scotland Yard. Every bit as plausible as anything you've suggested.
Surveillance was the subject of discussion. Operation Grange don't have the personnel to do it in the UK. They don't have jurisdiction to do it elsewhere. Another police force would require very strong evidence to persuade them to do it imo. If Op Grange have very strong evidence then it would be used to question the people concerned, not watch them.
Chain of Evidence.
Chain of Evidence.
Private Investigators on the ground.I assume the initial funds had been exhausted, so the last payout is left. £150k / 4 donut munchers = £37500 - March to March. Low paid donut munchers. In a different country. No expenses. No digs. Churros all round though.
Having paid the four SY Police Officers there is a tidy sum left over which is being spent on something.
I too think it’s possible, Brietta. In Zephany Nurse’s case, she was only reunited with her biological parents a year after she was found when she was 17 years old. She spent that year in the care of social services. Her identity was only revealed to the public after 5 years.
Okay, fine. Who cares?
Most Supporters are only interested The Law and Evidence. What the rest of you think is of no importance to me what so ever.
Sounds like you've looked.Nope, I rely on Faithlilly to keep us abreast of their accounting failures.
My feelings on the matter (not that anyone is interested I know, no need to. tell me) are that if there is evidence at Madeleine is alive it is from sightings on the dark web, in the form of child sex abuse videos, and that investigations if they are on-going are focused on trying to trace her via the virtual world
Although I knew there were terrible difficulties for all concerned, I didn't know that it took a year for her to be reunited with her biological parents. Not surprising when you think of her having to come to terms with her whole life not being what she thought it was and that she wasn't who she thought she was.
It seems she was never taken too far away from where she was born if her biological sister ended up attending the same school she did. Quite a remarkable story showing that the impossible does happen.
My feelings on the matter (not that anyone is interested I know, no need to. tell me) are that if there is evidence at Madeleine is alive it is from sightings on the dark web, in the form of child sex abuse videos, and that investigations if they are on-going are focused on trying to trace her via the virtual world
They already have found her. In My Opinion.
My feelings on the matter (not that anyone is interested I know, no need to. tell me) are that if there is evidence at Madeleine is alive it is from sightings on the dark web, in the form of child sex abuse videos, and that investigations if they are on-going are focused on trying to trace her via the virtual world
My feelings on the matter (not that anyone is interested I know, no need to. tell me) are that if there is evidence at Madeleine is alive it is from sightings on the dark web, in the form of child sex abuse videos, and that investigations if they are on-going are focused on trying to trace her via the virtual world
I don't think she is on the dark web. Her bloodline is too valuable and they would want to keep it pure. IMO.It must be Royal blue then... the same colour as your box file on the top shelf-cum-shrine at OG's HQ.
Let's not forget that Maddie was a cash cow for some despite their pleadings to the contrary. I find this annual ritual to be rather nauseating if I'm honest given what really went on 12 years ago. One could say that some are attempting to rewrite history.What has your angry rant got to do with what I wrote?
Where was this "unwavering commitment" back in 2007 when the police needed their full cooperation?
It must be Royal blue then... the same colour as your box file on the top shelf-cum-shrine at OG's HQ. *%87Oooh, that was a John Cena 'Attitude Adjuster', not just any old take down. BOOM!
Perhaps police in another country located Madeleine on their turf and are cooperating with Scotland Yard. Every bit as plausible as anything you've suggested.
Oooh, that was a John Cena 'Attitude Adjuster', not just any old take down. BOOM!
It must be Royal blue then... the same colour as your box file on the top shelf-cum-shrine at OG's HQ.
They already have found her. In My Opinion.
I was wondering this!
I recall from KM's PB that shortly after MM disappeared, on the advice of lawyer Edward Smethurst (think it was him), the McCanns changed something legally between themselves and MM?
The age of majority in Portugal, as with many developed countries, is 18 yoa; I'm wondering if the authorities are just biding their time until MM reaches age of majority?
1. I am wondering if the abductors ae waiting until a certain age before using her special DNA to produce a pure blood son or daughter.
2. Doesn't bear to think about, but would it be by IVF?
That way, if Madeleine is found, it would be easier to escape severe punishment for sexually abusing her + paedophilia.
Nothing except DNA of the child to show parenthood ... and if it is a daughter, then nothing of the fathers DNA will show. The male line has to come via a male parent and if suspects ae tested then there will be multitude of other males with a similar DNA, I think
With a few carefully arranged embellishments, this appears to be a very clever way of avoiding proper punishment.
This is my problem. There are no male members of my family living, so I cannot find out about my fathers DNA and its input into my known DNA from my mother.
1. I am wondering if the abductors ae waiting until a certain age before using her special DNA to produce a pure blood son or daughter.I know this has drifted off topic, but I'm intrigued. Please continue.
2. Doesn't bear to think about, but would it be by IVF?
That way, if Madeleine is found, it would be easier to escape severe punishment for sexually abusing her + paedophilia.
Nothing except DNA of the child to show parenthood ... and if it is a daughter, then nothing of the fathers DNA will show. The male line has to come via a male parent and if suspects ae tested then there will be multitude of other males with a similar DNA, I think
With a few carefully arranged embellishments, this appears to be a very clever way of avoiding proper punishment.
This is my problem. There are no male members of my family living, so I cannot find out about my fathers DNA and its input into my known DNA from my mother.
1. I am wondering if the abductors ae waiting until a certain age before using her special DNA to produce a pure blood son or daughter.
2. Doesn't bear to think about, but would it be by IVF?
That way, if Madeleine is found, it would be easier to escape severe punishment for sexually abusing her + paedophilia.
Nothing except DNA of the child to show parenthood ... and if it is a daughter, then nothing of the fathers DNA will show. The male line has to come via a male parent and if suspects ae tested then there will be multitude of other males with a similar DNA, I think
With a few carefully arranged embellishments, this appears to be a very clever way of avoiding proper punishment.
This is my problem. There are no male members of my family living, so I cannot find out about my fathers DNA and its input into my known DNA from my mother.
Sadie what evidence do you have that supports the idea MM has special DNA and/or pure blood?
GM and KM descend from working class Irish Catholic parents so how can MM be as you've described?
Sadie has done a lot of research into Surnames.
In which case she should be able to explain how Madeleine McCann had, in her opinion, a special bloodline. Have we seen any such evidence? A family tree for example?
Perhaps if a few more people had paid a bit more attention instead of mocking Sadie then they would know a bit more about what Sadie was saying.
Sadly, a lot of Sadie's comments have been removed.
Sadie has done a lot of research into Surnames.
And who is to blame for that?
Moderators, not us mere mortals.
And eminent scientists have done a lot of research into the origins of mankind.
Looking for Madeleine were they?
If MM is found alive and well with her abductors when/how would the McCanns be notified and would they have any say over how MM and her abductor(s) are handled by the authorities?
MM will have little or no memory of her former life and if treated well by her abductor(s) would have formed a bond with them probably viewing them as her parents. The McCanns would be strangers to MM. If the media got wind of such a story it would be impossible for MM to live a 'normal' life until the intense media interest subsided.
Inevitably MM would learn about the circumstances of her disappearance ie McCanns wining and dining whilst she and her two younger siblings were left 'home alone' in the unsecured apartment night after night. Would MM want to be reunited with her parents?
If MM is found alive and well with her abductors when/how would the McCanns be notified and would they have any say over how MM and her abductor(s) are handled by the authorities?
MM will have little or no memory of her former life and if treated well by her abductor(s) would have formed a bond with them probably viewing them as her parents. The McCanns would be strangers to MM. If the media got wind of such a story it would be impossible for MM to live a 'normal' life until the intense media interest subsided.
Inevitably MM would learn about the circumstances of her disappearance ie McCanns wining and dining whilst she and her two younger siblings were left 'home alone' in the unsecured apartment night after night. Would MM want to be reunited with her parents?
I suspect that Madeleine would have more trouble dealing with nasty comments like this that have grossly exaggerated what happened.
I'm sure I recall reading in KM's PB that the McCanns relinquished some legal status over MM based on advice from their lawyer?
As MM has not yet reached the age of majority in Portugal and England who has legal responsibility for her?
I'm sure I recall reading in KM's PB that the McCanns relinquished some legal status over MM based on advice from their lawyer?
As MM has not yet reached the age of majority in Portugal and England who has legal responsibility for her?
She was made ward of court,17 months time I'd venture it would no longer apply.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2164743/Madeleine-McCann-parents-court-bid-for-information.html
The Telegraph can also disclose that Madeleine was made a ward of court last summer at the request of the McCanns, to empower judges to act in her best interests in any legal dispute such as the case which is about to be heard.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: “I can state that on the instigation of Gerry and Kate McCann Madeleine is a ward of the High Court of England and Wales.
Thanks Barrier I thought it was something like that.
So on this basis if MM is found I guess the High Court would decide how best to proceed based on MM's best interests.
If MM is found alive and well with her abductors when/how would the McCanns be notified and would they have any say over how MM and her abductor(s) are handled by the authorities?
MM will have little or no memory of her former life and if treated well by her abductor(s) would have formed a bond with them probably viewing them as her parents. The McCanns would be strangers to MM. If the media got wind of such a story it would be impossible for MM to live a 'normal' life until the intense media interest subsided.
Inevitably MM would learn about the circumstances of her disappearance ie McCanns wining and dining whilst she and her two younger siblings were left 'home alone' in the unsecured apartment night after night. Would MM want to be reunited with her parents?
The McCanns probably see MM as their little girl just about to turn 4 yoa and yet in a few weeks time MM will be 17 yoa and a year off the age of majority.
All a bit hypothetical at the moment as there is nothing to suggest she is going to made an appearance in the near future.
This will come as a shock to you but I think you should be told that in my opinion there are people out there who wish no-one ever either finds a live Madeleine McCann or what happened to her since her disappearance in 2007.
It come as no shock to me that you think along those lines.
I have often thought you have a very strange outlook on life.
It come as no shock to me that you think along those lines.
I have often thought you have a very strange outlook on life.
I admire the outlook Brietta has on life.
Always seems very reasoned, very principled, nothing strange at all.
Are you allowed to make such an unpleasant post
This will come as a shock to you but I think you should be told that in my opinion there are people out there who wish no-one ever either finds a live Madeleine McCann or what happened to her since her disappearance in 2007.
Good for you. Why exactly are you telling me this , do you think I'm interested?
Then there are those that couldn't care less either way.
Are you not ?
No, but as you quoted my post, I felt I should reply, if only for etiquette's sake
You must have been interested enough to read my reply to your post.
For etiquette's sake we will have to keep replying unless you just decide to ignore this post.
Up to you ?
The McCanns probably see MM as their little girl just about to turn 4 yoa and yet in a few weeks time MM will be 17 yoa and a year off the age of majority.
Why would you think Kate and Gerry have failed to notice the passing of the years since their daughter disappeared in 2007?
Then there are those that couldn't care less either way.
I doubt that Holly, the McCann's have been buying age appropriate presents for Madeleine, Birthday and Christmas, they would notice how the time was passing more than anyone else IMO
I think it might be easier said than done.
But it's not your problem is it.
I doubt they have failed to notice chronologically speaking but I still think if they are ever reunited they will find some difficulty reconciling the fact that MM is no longer the little girl they last saw in PDL.
Did I say it was?
This will come as a shock to you but I think you should be told that in my opinion there are people out there who wish no-one ever either finds a live Madeleine McCann or what happened to her since her disappearance in 2007.
That bedroom must be full of stuff by now, unless they have disposed of the early purchases as years go by.To be fair, the twins can use whatever gets bought - just a year later.
So how can you think you know?
To be fair, the twins can use whatever gets bought - just a year later.
KM said they have been allowed to use things on the basis they put them back.But surely an iPad is an iPad is an iPad? Why buy three when you can just buy two - one a year after the first?
That wouldn't apply to anyone who posts or reads this forum.
I said I think it might be easier said than done on the basis I went through a similar experience when I met my birth parents which is backed up by all the research.
If MM is ever reunited with the McCanns although they are her biological parents they are now strangers too!
That bedroom must be full of stuff by now, unless they have disposed of the early purchases as years go by.
I said I think it might be easier said than done on the basis I went through a similar experience when I met my birth parents which is backed up by all the research.
If MM is ever reunited with the McCanns although they are her biological parents they are now strangers too!
That has nothing to do with the McCann's still thinking of Madeleine as a four year old.
Yes they will be strangers, but the McCann's will know she is alive and where she is, the not knowing must be terrible for them.
I watch 'Long Lost Families' and even though some are babies when handed over for adoption, some of the mothers by Birthday cards every year for their child, and wonder if they had a good life, for them they are eaten up with guilt for giving their child up for adoption and the not knowing what happened to their child is a burden they carry for years. When they are reunited they cry and say its as though they have always known each other, and they will have a relationship with the mother, child who they have been reunited with.
Hopefully, if Madeleine has been taken by a couple who have brought her up, Madeleine will still want a relationship with her biological parents.
Also, it needs to be investigated how Madeleine was taken and by whom.
Good for you. Why exactly are you telling me this , do you think I'm interested?
Readers might be very interested in what sort of people members are.
And, who knows, in time names might come out.
There will be some surprises then, IMO 8(>(( ?{)(**
Readers might be very interested in what sort of people members are.
And, who knows, in time names might come out.
There will be some surprises then, IMO 8(>(( ?{)(**
That has nothing to do with the McCann's still thinking of Madeleine as a four year old.
Yes they will be strangers, but the McCann's will know she is alive and where she is, the not knowing must be terrible for them.
I watch 'Long Lost Families' and even though some are babies when handed over for adoption, some of the mothers by Birthday cards every year for their child, and wonder if they had a good life, for them they are eaten up with guilt for giving their child up for adoption and the not knowing what happened to their child is a burden they carry for years. When they are reunited they cry and say its as though they have always known each other, and they will have a relationship with the mother, child who they have been reunited with.
Hopefully, if Madeleine has been taken by a couple who have brought her up, Madeleine will still want a relationship with her biological parents.
Also, it needs to be investigated how Madeleine was taken and by whom.
I sometimes watch this programme and it is astonishing the family resemblances that there are when families are reunited.
That alone must be comforting for the member of the family who had been separated from their siblings/ parent.
Long lost families seems to show the successful meetings. Not all those who search feel connected when they meet.
She will need to be 'liberated' first, so don't hold your breath.
I don't think you need any personal experience it's common sense. I Maddie has been brought up by a living family.. And it's a massively unlikely if.... Then she almost certainly would not want to leave her loving family... Her life... And her friends ..and I doubt the McCann's would expect her to.
I also think this situation might bring the McCann's some happiness but unfortunately it's not likely
But it would not be up to the McCanns. Regardless of how MM has been cared for by any abductor(s) she would in effect be the victim of a very serious crime and her abductors the perp(s) of said crime. If the authorities are not seen to apply the full force of the law then potentially it is a green light for child abduction.
And if MM has been abused in some way by any abductor(s) it is still likely she would have formed some bond with her abductor(s) ie Stockholm Syndrome.
I doubt anyone with a modicum of intelligence would expect Madeleine to be the child she was in 2007 and have no idea why you raise the suggestion that her mum and dad might. Just absolute nonsense in my opinion.
But it would not be up to the McCanns. Regardless of how MM has been cared for by any abductor(s) she would in effect be the victim of a very serious crime and her abductors the perp(s) of said crime. If the authorities are not seen to apply the full force of the law then potentially it is a green light for child abduction.
And if MM has been abused in some way by any abductor(s) it is still likely she would have formed some bond with her abductor(s) ie Stockholm Syndrome.
Mayhap the people with whom she is living didn't abduct her and might not even know who she is.
Maybe but I think if the abductor(s) are raising as own then this was the motivation for the abduction ie emotional rather than financial or some other reason. If third parties are involved then it gets more difficult to maintain confidentiality and someone not breaking rank.
I believe the person who abducted MM is raising as own.
That has nothing to do with the McCann's still thinking of Madeleine as a four year old.
Yes they will be strangers, but the McCann's will know she is alive and where she is, the not knowing must be terrible for them.
I watch 'Long Lost Families' and even though some are babies when handed over for adoption, some of the mothers by Birthday cards every year for their child, and wonder if they had a good life, for them they are eaten up with guilt for giving their child up for adoption and the not knowing what happened to their child is a burden they carry for years. When they are reunited they cry and say its as though they have always known each other, and they will have a relationship with the mother, child who they have been reunited with.
Hopefully, if Madeleine has been taken by a couple who have brought her up, Madeleine will still want a relationship with her biological parents.
Also, it needs to be investigated how Madeleine was taken and by whom.
I don't think you need any personal experience it's common sense. I Maddie has been brought up by a living family.. And it's a massively unlikely if.... Then she almost certainly would not want to leave her loving family... Her life... And her friends ..and I doubt the McCann's would expect her to.
I also think this situation might bring the McCann's some happiness but unfortunately it's not likely
Maybe but I think if the abductor(s) are raising as own then this was the motivation for the abduction ie emotional rather than financial or some other reason. If third parties are involved then it gets more difficult to maintain confidentiality and someone not breaking rank.
I believe the person who abducted MM is raising as own.
Maybe but I think if the abductor(s) are raising as own then this was the motivation for the abduction ie emotional rather than financial or some other reason. If third parties are involved then it gets more difficult to maintain confidentiality and someone not breaking rank.
I believe the person who abducted MM is raising as own.
It has to be Financial. Who ever adopted Madeleine would have been prepare to pay. Even official adoption costs a lot of money.
Long lost families seems to show the successful meetings. Not all those who search feel connected when they meet.
I would love to believe that Maddie is with a loving family and has adjusted to her new life. However, A reality is;she wasn't abducted for her blood,her name, for a childless couple, if she was abducted it would have been for nefarious behaviors. And as Holly has mentioned, if she is being held and is found and released AND remembers what happened I doubt very much she would fall into her parents arms and thank them. Just my opinion.
News just in: My friend has commented on this subject and believes MBM left the flat -got knocked down and the person aka smithman was trying to get her to the local firstaid/hospital? but she died, and they had to get rid of the body.
Hmm I don't know about that theory.
Why carry her, why not drive her?
I do not know, It isn't my theory. 8)><(Whooshing curtains could mean she clambered out of the window even though the patio door was unlocked.
I would love to believe that Maddie is with a loving family and has adjusted to her new life. However, A reality is;she wasn't abducted for her blood,her name, for a childless couple, if she was abducted it would have been for nefarious behaviors. And as Holly has mentioned, if she is being held and is found and released AND remembers what happened I doubt very much she would fall into her parents arms and thank them. Just my opinion.
News just in: My friend has commented on this subject and believes MBM left the flat -got knocked down and the person aka smithman was trying to get her to the local firstaid/hospital? but she died, and they had to get rid of the body.
Hmm I don't know about that theory.
I would love to believe that Maddie is with a loving family and has adjusted to her new life. However, A reality is;she wasn't abducted for her blood,her name, for a childless couple, if she was abducted it would have been for nefarious behaviors. And as Holly has mentioned, if she is being held and is found and released AND remembers what happened I doubt very much she would fall into her parents arms and thank them. Just my opinion.
News just in: My friend has commented on this subject and believes MBM left the flat -got knocked down and the person aka smithman was trying to get her to the local firstaid/hospital? but she died, and they had to get rid of the body.
Hmm I don't know about that theory.
But if Smithman was concerned enough to attempt to seek first aid why would he panic if MM died in the intervening period to the extent he decided he had to dispose of the body?Depends who Smithman is.
And if MM woke and wandered how come the window/shutter were open?
Depends who Smithman is.
sceptics think its GerryNot all of them. Checkmate.
Not all of them. Checkmate.
it was lingual buccal
Too serious for that.
Not all of them. Checkmate.
No allowance for subtlety is there? It's all black or white for some. What about the don't knows?
No allowance for subtlety is there? It's all black or white for some. What about the don't knows?
Isn't that everybody ?
It definitely applies to me, but some people claim to know more about what I think than I do. Do they think they're going to convince me, I wonder?You know Madeleine wasn’t abducted though don’t you, because you informed us that it was virtually impossible, I seem to remember...
It definitely applies to me, but some people claim to know more about what I think than I do. Do they think they're going to convince me, I wonder?
You know Madeleine wasn’t abducted though don’t you, because you informed us that it was virtually impossible, I seem to remember...
I haven't said that Madeleine wasn't abducted. Virtually impossible means highly unlikely, but not impossible.LOL.
LOL.
“The connotation of pretty much any adverb applied to "impossible" is that there is a known circumstance or set of events that would produce the "impossibility", but that those circumstances are so improbable as to not be worth consideration. "Virtual" itself is defined as "very close to being something without actually being it", and so any term you can think of with a similar definition would be synonymous.”
I still haven't said it was impossible. That means I don't believe it was impossible, so it can't be ruled out. Neither can woke and wandered or parental involvement.
I still haven't said it was impossible. That means I don't believe it was impossible, so it can't be ruled out. Neither can woke and wandered or parental involvement.You don’t need to explain, it’s pretty obvious what your views are. Abduction virtually impossible, woke and wandered possible, parental involvement highly likely. I fully expect you to take issue with this, though god knows why you would.
You don’t need to explain, it’s pretty obvious what your views are. Abduction virtually impossible, woke and wandered possible, parental involvement highly likely. I fully expect you to take issue with this, though god knows why you would.
I can't work out why you need to know what other people think. I don't know or care what others think. In my opinion there's not enough evidence to be sure what happened on 3rd May 2007. That was the view of both Pedro do Carmo and A C Rowley in 2017, and nothing has been said since.I don’t NEED to know but when communicating with others I don’t obfuscste, speak in riddles or pretend not to have opinions, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to expect that those I communicate with do me the same courtesy.
So as of 2017 the PJ weren't convinced that Madeleine had been abducted, but Rowley was. Hardly surprising really as the crime was named in Operation Grange's remit. Judging by the evidence of Simon Foy and Andy Redwood that seems to have been based on the timeline. Op Grange appear to have been convinced that the timeline as reported was correct.
In my opinion the timeline is the most important evidence in the case, and I agree with Rebelo; it was never confirmed. No-one really knows who was there, who left, how long they were away or exactly what time the alarm was raised. The evidence isn't conclusive.
I don’t NEED to know but when communicating with others I don’t obfuscste, speak in riddles or pretend not to have opinions, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for those I communicate with to do me the same courtesy.
Some people have firm opinions and some don't. I don't and have made that clear time and again. Why people can't accept that and why they insist that I do have firm opinions is a mystery to me.
I don't obfuscate, speak in riddles or pretend at all, and I find it most discourteous to be accused of doing so.
New year, same old.
I agree.. Some posters are stuck in 2007...but the investigation has moved on
2017 is where its at,the PJ don't accept the abduction as the only option,SY on the other hand?
But they have said parents not suspects and no evidence against them...
You di have firm opinions... Your opinion is the mccanns have not been ruled out despite all the evidence they have been
2017 is where its at,the PJ don't accept the abduction as the only option,SY on the other hand?
I accept that Op Grange are not investigating the McCanns. I don't accept that they have sufficient evidence to support that decision. I certainly don't accept Rowley's claim that the PJ were in possession of that evidence in 2007.
You have no idea what evidence SY have... Your opinion doesn't count for much in the real world.
Do Carmo also clearly stated.. No evidence... No suspects Re the mccanns...
Rowley never claimed to have evidence which ruled the parents out. He claimed the first investigation dealt with the question of their involvement. It didn't.
2017 ???? I thought the bells rang in 2020
Pedro do Carmo: "Maddie's parents are not suspects. Period."
He said they had looked at all of that... Meaning. Imo.. They had looked, at the evidence. I would also think they had further interviewed the mccanns. The absence of evidence IS in some instances evidence of innocence... That's not opinion.
The police often say... No evidence if foul play..on that basis they accept there is no foul play.
I'm sure you'll give us the update for 2020 then,2017 was the last we heard of what direction the investigation's were at.Pedro Do Carmo,we don't know what happened and have to be prepared for different scenario's.Rowley ,however she left the apartment she was abducted,one is of a closed mind ,never the twain shall meet,imo and all that jazz.
He said they had looked at all of that... Meaning. Imo.. They had looked, at the evidence. I would also think they had further interviewed the mccanns. The absence of evidence IS in some instances evidence of innocence... That's not opinion.
The police often say... No evidence if foul play..on that basis they accept there is no foul play.
Yes the update is there doesn't seem to have been any investigation of the mccanns since 2017 to change the position
You need to listen very carefully to what Rowley said,before Brunt could even finish the question Rowley said no to Brunt,we have not interviewed the parents.
I know what you believe. I don't share your faith in the Metropolitan Police.
I think you need to listen to it again....shall we both do that
I can look but do you have, a link to the transcript
I'm sure you'll give us the update for 2020 then,2017 was the last we heard of what direction the investigation's were at.Pedro Do Carmo,we don't know what happened and have to be prepared for different scenario's.Rowley ,however she left the apartment she was abducted,one is of a closed mind ,never the twain shall meet,imo and all that jazz.
What changes have taken place in your life and the lives of people around you since 2017 let alone 2007?
Nothing stays static
As long as Madeleine's case remains open and active it can be presumed there is still work being done. I believe when a police investigation runs out of options it gets shelved although kept under review; I don't think Madeleine's case is at that stage yet.
One thing I am sure of is that investigators have far more information available to them and a clearer picture than in 2007.
Nobody knows what Op Grange is doing now because they don't say. All four of them are quiet. It's unlikely in my opinion that they have added to whatever A C Rowley knew in 2017, and he clearly stated that they had relied on the first PJ investigation to have 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement.
That means that Op Grange began it's investigation at a certain point. If they chose the wrong point to begin then they may be going in completely the wrong direction. Indeed, their lack of a conclusion suggests that may well be the case.
Listen and I mean listen,Brunt:Just to be clear you didn't interview the McCann's.17:25 in.
Before Brunt finished the question Rowley answered no.
Also listen in about stranger abduction at 11:20,he talks of a lot unknown.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/interview-with-assistant-commissioner-mark-rowley-who-news-footage/673183860
I would agree. Finding Smithman was and still is the key to this case imo. Amaral knew it to be the case at the time he was coordinator and we all know what happened to him.
the correct words are not interviewed as suspects...and not interviewed under caution......not that they were not interviewed.
Thank you that reply just won me a years supply of Bertie Basetts,Listen and really listen.Brunt:Just to be clear you didn't interview the McCanns,before he could continue with the question Rowley answered no.
As if they'd say anything other than 'no comment'.
im going by the transcript
Thank you that reply just won me a years supply of Bertie Basetts,Listen and really listen.Brunt:Just to be clear you didn't interview the McCanns,before he could continue with the question Rowley answered no.
In which Martin Brunt asks ...
"One of the biggest criticisms of the Portuguese investigation, which they acknowledge as well, is that they did not interrogate the parents from the start, if only to eliminate them.
When you started your investigation, you appear to have done the same. Did you formally interview the McCann’s under caution, ever consider them as suspects?"
good point... rowley has alraedy answerred the question...not interviwed under caution or as suspect...Rowley is asked the same question again and cuts in before its finished to confirm his initial answer
smithman hasnt been found and i think that may be because his sighting ..it seems...has not been promoted in portugal
Agreed. Both the PJ and SY have been derelict in their duty to find this man. IMO the mere fact that he failed to come forward despite the years of publicity surrounding the Smiths sighting is a sure indicator that he is guilty.
Thinking about it sensibly if he'd been a father carrying his daughter he could have come forward, so that's unlikely to be who he was. If he was carrying Madeleine McCann she wasn't wearing what her parents said she was wearing.
Thinking about it sensibly if he'd been a father carrying his daughter he could have come forward, so that's unlikely to be who he was. If he was carrying Madeleine McCann she wasn't wearing what her parents said she was wearing.
If the sighting hasnt been promoted in portugal why should he come forward
I wonder if it occured to the Met's finest that asking people in the UK, Germany, Ireland (?) and the Netherlands if they could identify this man just wasn't enough? After all, he was seen in Portugal, not in those countries.
i would have thought SY would have requested it...the PJ dont seem keen on tv appeals....I have seen nothing to suggest it was promoted...ive asked sil several times with no response
All they had to do was speak with the Portuguese media.
It's a Portuguese investigation... They have no right to do that in Portugal
What right have they to interview anyone outwith any ILOR from Portugal,the defence will have a field if it were to come to trial.
im going by the transcript
What right have they to interview anyone outwith any ILOR from Portugal,the defence will have a field if it were to come to trial.
Precisely
What right have OG to interview the McCann's none,Rowley confirmed they hadn't been in the interview.Arguing they have is arguing against your own stance.
What right have OG to interview the McCann's none,Rowley confirmed they hadn't been in the interview.Arguing they have is arguing against your own stance.
What right have OG to interview the McCann's none,Rowley confirmed they hadn't been in the interview.Arguing they have is arguing against your own stance.
Some people have firm opinions and some don't. I don't and have made that clear time and again. Why people can't accept that and why they insist that I do have firm opinions is a mystery to me.You believe firmly that the McCanns were up to something dodgy, come on!!
I don't obfuscate, speak in riddles or pretend at all, and I find it most discourteous to be accused of doing so.
Rowley confirmed the McCann's had not been interviewed under caution... Nothing more
Rowley confirmed they had not been interviewed.He answered no to that before the question was completed.
as has been pointed out...if you listen to it....Rowley is asked the question initially and gives quite along answer...hes then asked to clarify his answer amd he confirms no....He is responding to the question ...have the mccanns been interviewed under caution...as suspects...
you are putting your own spin on it. You may accuse me of the same....i would say im right and you are wrong
No I haven't... They've every right to interview the McCann's in the uk
UK police interviewed the Gaspars... Did they have an ILOR to do that... They didn't need one obviously
I for one would be incredulous if the police hadn't gone in the greatest possible detail into what the McCanns in particular and their friends could tell them.
No-one outwith the loop of the investigation knows who was interviewed and when. Similarly, the Judicial Police can ask to speak to whoever and whenever within their jurisdiction.
I imagine both police forces carrying out the investigation do speak to each other pertaining to the case.
Wrong. The UK police did not question the Gaspars in conneciton with the disappearance of Madeliene.
The Gaspars presented themselves as witnesses to behavior they thought may be significant. Which Amaral was not privvy to;when in post.
The reply from Barrier is clear. The McCanns have not been interviewed.
I doubt that very much given that social services were brought in.
Wrong. The UK police did not question the Gaspars in conneciton with the disappearance of Madeliene.
The Gaspars presented themselves as witnesses to behavior they thought may be significant. Which Amaral was not privvy to;when in post.
The reply from Barrier is clear. The McCanns have not been interviewed.
So they have been interviewed as witnesses?
I doubt that very much given that social services were brought in.
This is potentially a murder investigtion...the UK police would therefore have jurisdiction to interview anyone they wished in the UK and quite possibly jurisdiction to prosecute in the UK....
Are Op Grange searching for a murderer rather than searching for/carrying out surveillance on a live girl? Do you have any evidence or is that merely idle speculation?i have evidence grange think maddie may be dead....which would make this a possible murder enquiry....do you need a cite or can you work it out yourself
Are Op Grange searching for a murderer rather than searching for/carrying out surveillance on a live girl? Do you have any evidence or is that merely idle speculation?
I think the issue is; the UK (SY/OG) police did not interview the McCanns as if the 'abduction' took place in the UK.
After a few years-They read the PJ report about the McCanns interviews with the PJ.
The Leicester police interviewed as requested by the PJ.- they did not question as suspects, as far as I am aware. it was all very friendly like. err umm er am you know erm well you know as you know err and it was oh err well
The rogatory interviews were very friendly, weren't they? It seems little off-the-recordrehearsalschats took place too in some cases before the actual interviews were recorded.
The rogatory interviews were very friendly, weren't they? It seems little off-the-recordrehearsalschats took place too in some cases before the actual interviews were recorded.
The rogatory interviews were very friendly, weren't they? It seems little off-the-recordwow, and you accuse me of making insinuations!rehearsalschats took place too in some cases before the actual interviews were recorded.
I think that post illustrates an absolute and total ignorance of interview technique.
Oh, do explain! How do pre-interview chats form part of this technique?I've explained... Do you have any knowledge of police taking witness statements... Obviously not
It shows how little you know about the justice system...its quite normal for police to discuss the content of a witness statement before making the actual statement. Remeber the interviews were witnesses...not suspects
Is it? You'll have a cite for that, obviously.Working with victims and witnesses
Working with victims and witnesses
The success of any investigation depends largely on the accuracy and detail of the material obtained from witnesses. Investigators, whether tasked with a volume crime or major investigation, must recognise the individual needs and concerns of witnesses and treat them with dignity and respect. This can have a significant impact on how witnesses cooperate with the investigation and any subsequent prosecution.
Professionalism and integrity
Interviewing is complex. It requires learning and practice to ensure that high standards are achieved and maintained.
An interview may not be used solely for obtaining information about an investigation. It may also be used to provide witnesses and victims with important information, for example, about court proceedings, protection of identity, special measures, disclosure, intermediaries and witness protection.
In any interview it is essential that the investigator acts with professionalism and integrity. The following will support this.
Establishing a professional relationship
People are more likely to give accurate information if they trust the professionalism of the interviewer. The interviewee should be treated fairly and in accordance with legislative guidelines. Interviewers must not allow their personal opinions or beliefs to affect the way in which they deal with witnesses, victims or suspects.
The importance of being methodical
Being methodical helps both the interviewer and interviewee. Planning, preparation and ensuring that the interview plan is followed, and that answers are linked are all part of being methodical. The PEACE interview model also helps.
Personal style
Style matters because it affects the motivation of the interviewee to be accurate and relevant in their replies. Establishing a rapport means being genuinely open, interested and approachable, as well as being interested in the interviewee’s feelings or welfare.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/investigations/victims-and-witnesses/
I see nothing there recommending pre-interview discussions.
OK ... your turn now to show yours.
My what?You’ve made an insinuation, now time to explain yourself fully. With cites preferably.
My what?
You asked for a link to interview techniques with which you have been provided; in a nutshell I think the cite I provided gives indications of ways in which to relax a witness and gain a rapport which will encourage the witness to impart as much information as remembered.
I think that is the technique as recorded in the rogatory interviews, which you have criticised in your post saying, "The rogatory interviews were very friendly, weren't they? It seems little off-the-recordrehearsalschats took place too in some cases before the actual interviews were recorded."
I have provided a cite to back up my previous assertion in reply that you evidenced ignorance of interview techniques.
The ball is now in your court to supply a cite substantiating the insinuation made in your post.
Objectives of the interview
Before starting an interview, the objectives of the interview should be explained to the interviewee, and they should be provided with an outline or route map of it.
For example, interviewers may say:
‘During this interview I will talk to you about (list objectives).’
Then go on to explain:
‘I will also ask you about anything else which may become relevant during the interview in order to properly establish the facts and issues.’
Routines and expectations
It is good practice to explain to the interviewee that if they nod or shake their head the interviewer will state that they have done so. It should also be explained that notes will be taken during the interview.
It may be useful to inform the interviewee that although the police wish to establish certain facts and issues, it is the interviewee’s opportunity to explain their involvement or non-involvement in the incident under investigation.
Investigators should encourage the interviewee to voice anything which they feel is relevant, explaining that there is no time limit for the interview and that as much detail as possible is required, encouraging the interviewee to voice anything which they feel is relevant.
The interviewee should be reassured that they will not be interrupted. It may be appropriate to ask the interviewee to consider fully any question they are being asked before they answer.
https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/investigations/investigative-interviewing/#planning-and-preparation
This is another galaxy off topic.haven’t you got important analysis to end getting on with?
What about the poignant message?
Get a grip kids.
haven’t you got important analysis to end getting on with?
In other words 'What's going on? Tell me, tell me!' @)(++(*
haven’t you got important analysis to end getting on with?I'm working on the timeframes as laid out by the ECHR.
I think it's more poking fun.... Holly has set herself up as a super sleuth where she claims everyone else has failed... She claims the case was simple to solve and we're Al a bit thick not to have seen what she saw. Isn't it normal to expect her to come up with something substantial
In other words 'What's going on? Tell me, tell me!' @)(++(*yes, I can’t bear the suspense, it’s even affecting my appetite, I’m so excited.
I see nothing there recommending pre-interview discussions.
Where have I said everyone else has failed and others are a bit thick? Its not me that denigrates those that read The Sun and watch 'Loose Women'!
It can help being a Johnny-come-lately. I've also looked at other cases and can see common themes. Plus I am not remotely interested in wasting time and energy on the supporter/sceptic thing.
You suggested SY might have to carry out a revue to discover why you were able to solve the case so easily.... You described it as a simple case to solve... And a lot more.
All that is plain barmy imo. Its been almost 6 months now since you informed SY..
Can you really not see you are totally and utterly wrong..
A theory with no real evidence to support it
I think a bit of rapport building is the norm in an attempt to put individuals at ease and get the best out of them?
You suggested SY might have to carry out a revue to discover why you were able to solve the case so easily.... You described it as a simple case to solve... And a lot more.
All that is plain barmy imo. Its been almost 6 months now since you informed SY..
Can you really not see you are totally and utterly wrong..
A theory with no real evidence to support it
Cite please
It is a simple case to solve imo based on the fact I believe the perp was someone who knew the McCanns MO of an evening and this narrows it down considerably.
A bit of pot calling there Davel.
For all any of us know the perps might well have been charged!
your post
I know I was thinking the same. Hopefully there will be a root and branch review or to borrow a phrase from KM 'no stone unturned' in finding out what went wrong.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10983.msg553096#msg553096
Irony in response to G-Unit's post!That's plain for anyone with the merest sense of humour - that was a tongue in cheek comment.
Irony in response to G-Unit's post!
That's plain for anyone with the merest sense of humour - that was a tongue in cheek comment.
Although I can see how some members of society may miss that not so subtle throwaway remark and take it at face value.
I can see why it would be regarded as a joke but that applies to most of your posts re your claiming to have solved the caseBut you used it as a cite, meaning you had it in your back pocket, along with the rest of your 'I'm right' collection of quotes. How many more have you misconstrued?
But you used it as a cite, meaning you had it in your back pocket, along with the rest of your 'I'm right' collection of quotes. How many more have you misconstrued?
I think based on hollys other posts its quite reasonable to think it was serious....have you finished assessing her latest addition to her solution. Imagine....Holly solving the case from her armchailr in half an hour ....leaves the professionals to shame. They've had six months to assess her theory .....the only person I can see being locked up is Holly...if you get my drift
Irony in response to G-Unit's post!I really don’t think it was. Surely if you believed the case was that easy to solve then a review of Op Grange and its inability to solve such an easy case would not be an ironical suggestion at all. It was G-Unit taking the mick, you were in earnest, IMO.
An SY revue should be entertaining.
An SY revue should be entertaining.
When the end game arrives, they will have to justify their expenditure.
In other words 'What's going on? Tell me, tell me!' @)(++(*
When the end game arrives, they will have to justify their expenditure.
To who?Probably some dubious, cursory Parliamentary Select Committee or 'public enquiry'.
Probably some dubious, cursory Parliamentary Select Committee or 'public enquiry'.