A Room With A View...

[Vertigo Swirl]

Imagine they’d told the truth straight of the bat....that they’d facilitated the dreadful fate that had befallen their cherished grandchild/niece/goddaughter. I think they knew what the reaction would have been.....and it wouldn’t have been sympathy.

Given that all these family members soon found out exactly what the situation was with the unlocked apartment, how do you account for their ongoing support and sympathy?

[sadie]

Gerry is an intelligent chappie and as far as we know he inspected the shutter shortly after Madeleine's disappearance.  He would have seen how the shutter works and if unlocked it can be lifted up from the outside. In Portugal shutters are primarily used to keep the sun out, if you require enhanced security you install security bars or rejas.

Added below as an attachment. Apartment 5a now has a security grill on the front bedroom window.

Nice pictures John but I dont think they are of 5A.

Without hesitation I can say that the upper (enlarged one) is NOT of 5A.  The front door and other things are completely wrong.



I would have to check the bottom photo, but soz haven't got the energy..  However something doesn't seem right.

[The General]

Given that all these family members soon found out exactly what the situation was with the unlocked apartment, how do you account for their ongoing support and sympathy?

Good point.

[The General]

Nice pictures John but I dont think they are of 5A.

Without hesitation I can say that the upper (enlarged one) is NOT of 5A.  The front door and other things are completely wrong.



I would have to check the bottom photo, but soz haven't got the energy..  However something doesn't seem right.

I think John was giving a typical example of the blinds and additional security measures.

[G-Unit]

I find this sceptic/supporter thing is unhelpful and rather childish.  I don't wish to be pigeonholed in this way and prefer to remain objective looking at soft and hard facts. 

I think it unlikely McCanns/T7 were directly responsible for MM's disappearance but I would be foolish to completely rule it out since I have no firm evidence to do so.  And I most certainly do not want to be termed a 'supporter' especially since I know so little about the case.

I also find it unhelpful and mentioned supporters only in reply to the post I was answering which mentioned sceptics.

Whether you like it or not you will eventually be labelled just like we all have been. I have no firm convictions about what happened, but am consistently disbelieved.

[faithlilly]

There is a fly in this ointment, however. Why change the story to 'break in'? That would prove a knee-jerk reaction to finding their daughter missing i.e. they had no prior knowledge of her being missing up to the point Kate raised the alarm. The revisionism is only required in this instance and not if something else occurred and they had time to create a narrative.

I think the narrative was devised very much ‘on the hoof’.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I also find it unhelpful and mentioned supporters only in reply to the post I was answering which mentioned sceptics.

Whether you like it or not you will eventually be labelled just like we all have been. I have no firm convictions about what happened, but am consistently disbelieved.

This seems a pretty firm conviction to me.  Your words:

 "I've never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Claiming that MBM was abducted is just more of the same imo".

You have all but ruled out abduction as virtually impossible have you not?  Which, if true, means that you are sceptical of the McCanns claims, and therefore by definition a sceptic.  Why is this such a hard admission for you? 

[faithlilly]

Given that all these family members soon found out exactly what the situation was with the unlocked apartment, how do you account for their ongoing support and sympathy?

By the time the family, and public, had learned of the unlocked patio doors the narrative of the abductor climbing through the window had taken hold and the unlocked patio doors were relegated to a footnote in the story. The jemmied shutters also had the added advantage of proving that Madelene did wake and wander, a scenario I don’t think the family would be happy about either.

[Vertigo Swirl]

By the time the family, and public, had learned of the unlocked patio doors the narrative of the abductor climbing through the window had taken hold and the unlocked patio doors were relegated to a footnote in the story. The jemmied shutters also had the added advantage of proving that Madelene did wake and wander, a scenario I don’t think the family would be happy about either.

Pardon? 

[Robittybob1]

I think you'll find we're both off topic!

PM me please.

[faithlilly]

This seems a pretty firm conviction to me.  Your words:

 "I've never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Claiming that MBM was abducted is just more of the same imo".

You have all but ruled out abduction as virtually impossible have you not?  Which, if true, means that you are sceptical of the McCanns claims, and therefore by definition a sceptic.  Why is this such a hard admission for you?

And you find an excuse for each and every wrong move the parents have ever made. Does that make you an apologist?

[faithlilly]

Pardon? 

If Madeleine couldn’t open the window someone must have and so the open window suggested third party involvement rather than Madeleine simply wandering out of the patio doors.

Simple enough now ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

And you find an excuse for each and every wrong move the parents have ever made. Does that make you an apologist?

No I don't, what I do is question the beliefs of sceptics and point out that their explanations (usually of the "they are lying" variety) are not the only ones. 

An apologist is a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial - there is nothing controversial about the concept that the McCanns are the innocent parents of an abducted child.  I agree they were extremely foolish and reckless to leave their kids alone in an unlocked apartment so you can't even call me a child neglect apologist, itching though you may be to do so. 

[Robittybob1]

If Madeleine couldn’t open the window someone must have and so the open window suggested third party involvement rather than Madeleine simply wandering out of the patio doors.

Simple enough now ?

Your post in question didn't read right to me either.  It is possible you missed the word "not" in one sentence.
Have another look at it please.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10827.msg541758#msg541758

[Vertigo Swirl]

If Madeleine couldn’t open the window someone must have and so the open window suggested third party involvement rather than Madeleine simply wandering out of the patio doors.

Simple enough now ?

It's not what your post said though is it?
" The jemmied shutters also had the added advantage of proving that Madelene did wake and wander, a scenario I don’t think the family would be happy about either".