A Room With A View...

[faithlilly]

Your post in question didn't read right to me either.  It is possible you missed the word "not" in one sentence.
Have another look at it please.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10827.msg541758#msg541758

Apologies I did miss not out.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If Madeleine couldn’t open the window someone must have and so the open window suggested third party involvement rather than Madeleine simply wandering out of the patio doors.

Simple enough now ?

All moot.  Your claim was that Gerry had to convince his family that the shutters were jemmied otherwise they and the public at large would be unsympathetic.  This is complete post-rationalisation by you, imagining that Gerry was already considering that there would be huge public interest in the case and that his conversation would be reported verbatim in the press the next day.  Was he also clairvoyant, in your view?  Once every detail was known - kids left alone in an unlocked apartment while the McCanns "went out on the piss" (Sceptic meme) the public (not all, granted) were sympathetic as were their families.

[Robittybob1]

Apologies I did miss not out.

Is this the correct version then?
"By the time the family, and public, had learned of the unlocked patio doors the narrative of the abductor climbing through the window had taken hold and the unlocked patio doors were relegated to a footnote in the story. The jemmied shutters also had the added advantage of proving that Madeleine did NOT wake and wander; a scenario I don’t think the family would be happy about either."

[faithlilly]

All moot.  Your claim was that Gerry had to convince his family that the shutters were jemmied otherwise they and the public at large would be unsympathetic.  This is complete post-rationalisation by you, imagining that Gerry was already considering that there would be huge public interest in the case and that his conversation would be reported verbatim in the press the next day.  Was he also clairvoyant, in your view?  Once every detail was known - kids left alone in an unlocked apartment while the McCanns "went out on the piss" (Sceptic meme) the public (not all, granted) were sympathetic as were their families.

I don’t think Gerry thought there would be huge public interest and I never said that. He knew however that there would be reporting of the disappearance back in the U.K., he’d encouraged most of it himself, and that leaving three children alone in an unlocked apartment would not go down well. So it was his way of saying ‘hey we did leave our kids alone but it didn’t really matter anyway because the abductor came through the window ‘.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If my sister (I have one) did what the McCanns did and one of her kids went missing (she has two) I would be nothing but totally heartbroken for her, there would be absolutely NO recriminations from me whatsoever and I sincerely can't imagine any family member at all being so heartless and cruel as to show no sympathy to her in such a situation.  Perhaps I just have an extraordinarily empathetic, warm, kind, forgiving family that do not rise to instant condemnation when one of us does something stupid?

[Robittybob1]

I don’t think Gerry thought there would be huge public interest and I never said that. He knew however that there would be reporting of the disappearance back in the U.K., he’d encouraged most of it himself, and that leaving three children alone in an unlocked apartment would not go down well. So it was his way of saying ‘hey we did leave our kids alone but it didn’t really matter anyway because the abductor came through the window ‘.

Do you believe he saw the window open and the shutters up, and that he didn't set that scene up himself?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don’t think Gerry thought there would be huge public interest and I never said that. He knew however that there would be reporting of the disappearance back in the U.K., he’d encouraged most of it himself, and that leaving three children alone in an unlocked apartment would not go down well. So it was his way of saying ‘hey we did leave our kids alone but it didn’t really matter anyway because the abductor came through the window ‘.

That's a complete non-sequitur if ever I heard one.  Are you inside Gerry's head?  Do you know his motivations and are therefore able to tell us about them with authority?  I know you've been studying him for about a quarter of your life but does that really give you this insight into his thinking?

[Mr Gray]

I also find it unhelpful and mentioned supporters only in reply to the post I was answering which mentioned sceptics.

Whether you like it or not you will eventually be labelled just like we all have been. I have no firm convictions about what happened, but am consistently disbelieved.

If you look at your posts you will see you have used the term supporters on numerous occasions...perhaps its just second nature and you dont realise you are doing it.

[faithlilly]

If my sister (I have one) did what the McCanns did and one of her kids went missing (she has two) I would be nothing but totally heartbroken for her, there would be absolutely NO recriminations from me whatsoever and I sincerely can't imagine any family member at all being so heartless and cruel as to show no sympathy to her in such a situation.  Perhaps I just have an extraordinarily empathetic, warm, kind, forgiving family that do not rise to instant condemnation when one of us does something stupid?

Kate’s mother certainly wasn’t overly sympathetic in one of her interviews.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/where-were-you-that-night-kate-what-grandmother-said-after-she-was-told-that-madeleine-had-been-6661215.html

It doesn’t appear as if Kate’s family are quite as empathetic, warm, kind and forgiving as your own, unfortunately.

[faithlilly]

That's a complete non-sequitur if ever I heard one.  Are you inside Gerry's head?  Do you know his motivations and are therefore able to tell us about them with authority?  I know you've been studying him for about a quarter of your life but does that really give you this insight into his thinking?

It’s not hard. He’s not very complex.

[Mr Gray]

I find this sceptic/supporter thing is unhelpful and rather childish.  I don't wish to be pigeonholed in this way and prefer to remain objective looking at soft and hard facts. 

I think it unlikely McCanns/T7 were directly responsible for MM's disappearance but I would be foolish to completely rule it out since I have no firm evidence to do so.  And I most certainly do not want to be termed a 'supporter' especially since I know so little about the case.

for those of us who ahve been discussing the case  for some time...sceptic /supporters is  a useful term to use at certain times...most posters fall into one of these camps. I'm labelled an ardent supporter and even been accused as being part of the family.......but like you i understand its not possible to rule out the mccans 100% ...but highly unlikely they are involved. Im afraid you will be labelled....and perhaps already are.

I dont see my self as a mccann supporter...i see my self as a supporter of the mccanns innocence...tahts a totally different thing

[The General]

for those of us who ahve been discussing the case  for some time...sceptic /supporters is  a useful term to use at certain times...most posters fall into one of these camps. I'm labelled an ardent supporter and even been accused as being part of the family.......but like you i understand its not possible to rule out the mccans 100% ...but highly unlikely they are involved. Im afraid you will be labelled....and perhaps already are.

I dont see my self as a mccann supporter...i see my self as a supporter of the mccanns innocence...tahts a totally different thing

As my old headteacher used to say, 'I support my legs and my legs support me. Now **** off!'

[faithlilly]

for those of us who ahve been discussing the case  for some time...sceptic /supporters is  a useful term to use at certain times...most posters fall into one of these camps. I'm labelled an ardent supporter and even been accused as being part of the family.......but like you i understand its not possible to rule out the mccans 100% ...but highly unlikely they are involved. Im afraid you will be labelled....and perhaps already are.

I dont see my self as a mccann supporter...i see my self as a supporter of the mccanns innocence...tahts a totally different thing

As Mrs Burns so eloquently put it “O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!"

[Mr Gray]

As Mrs Burns so eloquently put it “O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!"

And different people see us differently... As I so eloquently reply

[faithlilly]

And different people see us differently... As I so eloquently reply

At this it’s spelled right. Well done you.