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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #435 on: July 03, 2019, 02:39:14 PM »
Do we know of any other cases in the US where cadaver dog evidence had been admitted

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #436 on: July 03, 2019, 02:42:18 PM »
I expect the FBI had the necessary experts in reseach if Stockham needed help.

Aren't blind tests used in medical research? Like some people getting placebo's and ithers getting the medicine? If those getting the medicine benefit isn't it then seen as OK to prescribe? In other words it's doing what it's supposed to do, just as the dogs are when they alert correctly.

What do you think would happen if a doctor wanted to prescribe a drug... He said he had tested it... It worked and was safe... But didn't supply full details if the tests... Do you think that would be acceptable

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #437 on: July 03, 2019, 03:07:43 PM »
I have some ideas.....later. Theres one where the dog involved failed miserably...Ill have to see if I can find it..
work now....Im self employed too...
Wasn't that the handlers making the mistakes? 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #438 on: July 03, 2019, 03:12:20 PM »
Wasn't that the handlers making the mistakes?

We don't know... The dogs alerted... So who made the mistake

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #439 on: July 03, 2019, 03:17:06 PM »
Wasn't that the handlers making the mistakes?

The handler doesn't know if he unconsciously cues the dog..
Can anyone make sense if the alert to cuddle cat

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #440 on: July 03, 2019, 03:22:08 PM »
We don't know... The dogs alerted... So who made the mistake
I like the positiveness of Grime's alerting method (repeated barks), some of the alerts in that video on blind and double blind testing were weak IMO. 

Bad training methods would play a part, I'm sure of that. 
Excessive use of cueing IMO would also be wrong.

The other method of rewarding your dog when they made a find, unless there was immediate confirmation from the tester/assessor that the dog had got it 100% right, rewarding could be reinforcing bad behaviour on the dog's part.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #441 on: July 03, 2019, 05:24:24 PM »
So who hires the expert witnesses ..
If Grime wasn't approached... How did he get the job

Hired? He was called to give evidence just like any other witness, wasn't he?
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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #442 on: July 03, 2019, 05:26:30 PM »
Wasn't Stockham a close friend and colleague of Grime's?

I think he was his boss at the time.
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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #443 on: July 03, 2019, 05:28:45 PM »
Do we know of any other cases in the US where cadaver dog evidence had been admitted

I don't know, do we?
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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #444 on: July 03, 2019, 05:30:54 PM »
What do you think would happen if a doctor wanted to prescribe a drug... He said he had tested it... It worked and was safe... But didn't supply full details if the tests... Do you think that would be acceptable

I expect Stockham provided any details he was asked to provide.
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Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #445 on: July 03, 2019, 05:34:34 PM »
We don't know... The dogs alerted... So who made the mistake

Not all dogs and handlers used in the US are police or FBI trained, so unless those dogs were it's irrelevant imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #446 on: July 03, 2019, 05:47:59 PM »
Hired? He was called to give evidence just like any other witness, wasn't he?

No.. Not like any other witness... Expert witnesses expect to be paid... He would also expect to be paid for his use of the dogs

AFAIAA Grime is running a business... As he was in Jersey
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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #447 on: July 03, 2019, 05:49:36 PM »
No.. Not like any other witness... Expert witnesses expect to be paid... He would also expect to be paid for his use of the dogs
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #448 on: July 03, 2019, 06:19:09 PM »
No.. Not like any other witness... Expert witnesses expect to be paid... He would also expect to be paid for his use of the dogs

AFAIAA Grime is running a business... As he was in Jersey

You appear to operate using assumptions rather than evidence. You've assumed that Grime was called as an expert witness. You've assumed that he was paid to appear. You've assumed that he was chosen by the prosecutors. Please provide evidence to support all your assunptions before hurling accusations based on them at everyone involved.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #449 on: July 03, 2019, 06:26:33 PM »
You appear to operate using assumptions rather than evidence. You've assumed that Grime was called as an expert witness. You've assumed that he was paid to appear. You've assumed that he was chosen by the prosecutors. Please provide evidence to support all your assunptions before hurling accusations based on them at everyone involved.

Evidence for the obvious

 much do expert witnesses get paid?
The average hourly fee for in court testimony for all non-medical experts is $248. The average hourly fee for in court testimony for all medical experts is $555. Medical expert witnesses on average earn more than double (124% more) what non-medical expert witnesses earn.11 Sep 2017



Perhaps I'm wrong and Grime flew himself and his dog... Stayed in a nice hotel... All at his own expense and unlike other expert witnesses didn't ask fir a fee

What do you think