Wandering Off Topic

[Lace]

I think you should start looking again .........why you think C.B. abducted Maddie.


From Bernt:

Wolters fell for OpG story about "the last man standing" (has to be the one), and thought by going out hard and playing a psychological game on CB and FF, that they'd plea for a deal just because a phone CB had used was located in town (not the OC) at the time of the faked abduction.

Sadly for the silly Germans who hadn't read a single page of the police files, they got to a point of no return very quickly by going out in public claiming and PRETENDING that they had "concrete evidence". It was all lies due to a strategy of making CB crack. Wolters two female bosses were convinced CB was guilty, with zero knowledge about the content of the PJ files. These three people are incompetent beyond words, and tried something very un-German (!) because they got blinded by the possibility of becoming famous. They are now world famous for being incompetent clowns.

Sadly for the German's they had possibly watched too many US movies thinking the "resort" was Ocean Club, rather than the resort of Praia da Luz, which we heard on Saunokonokos podcast dawned on Walters, as he asked to talk to his translator in the middle of the interview. Saunokonoko asked him if the Ocean Club had a mobile antenna, and right then he knew he'd f'd up.

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

[Lace]

I think you should start looking again .........why you think C.B. abducted Maddie.


From Bernt:

Wolters fell for OpG story about "the last man standing" (has to be the one), and thought by going out hard and playing a psychological game on CB and FF, that they'd plea for a deal just because a phone CB had used was located in town (not the OC) at the time of the faked abduction.

Sadly for the silly Germans who hadn't read a single page of the police files, they got to a point of no return very quickly by going out in public claiming and PRETENDING that they had "concrete evidence". It was all lies due to a strategy of making CB crack. Wolters two female bosses were convinced CB was guilty, with zero knowledge about the content of the PJ files. These three people are incompetent beyond words, and tried something very un-German (!) because they got blinded by the possibility of becoming famous. They are now world famous for being incompetent clowns.

Sadly for the German's they had possibly watched too many US movies thinking the "resort" was Ocean Club, rather than the resort of Praia da Luz, which we heard on Saunokonokos podcast dawned on Walters, as he asked to talk to his translator in the middle of the interview. Saunokonoko asked him if the Ocean Club had a mobile antenna, and right then he knew he'd f'd up.

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

[Lace]

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.   Oh it's because he says the parents dug the grave!!  Has anyone owned up to selling them a pick axe?  Amaral couldn't bury his dead dog as he said the ground was too hard to dig a hole.  So how on earth did the McCann's manage it?  When were they supposed to have dug it.  It's all nonsense and you believe this.

[barrier]

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

Because there is no secret place.

[Lace]

Because there is no secret place.

Of course there isn't.

[Uncle Jr]

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

If you read the book (which was a particularly painful experience as it is self-edited), and I think we should all read the various volumes on the case for balance, he has contacted the family via email several times. He's also contacted the PJ, Amaral and Wolters.
Is there a secret place? Well according to the book, Madeleine is buried in scrubland near the overlook at Rocha Negra. He apparently convinced the PJ to conduct GPR surveys and had a go at excavating one of his likely burial sites, both to no avail.

It seems a very unlikely disposal site in my opinion, as it would obviously require running the unnecessary risk of transporting a corpse over a kilometre and digging a sufficiently deep hole.

Quite why he hasn't followed through on his assertion that he intends to enlist the services of a South African EVRD team, is the subject of some conjecture, as this would resolve the matter within hal an hour.

[Lace]

If you read the book (which was a particularly painful experience as it is self-edited), and I think we should all read the various volumes on the case for balance, he has contacted the family via email several times. He's also contacted the PJ, Amaral and Wolters.
Is there a secret place? Well according to the book, Madeleine is buried in scrubland near the overlook at Rocha Negra. He apparently convinced the PJ to conduct GPR surveys and had a go at excavating one of his likely burial sites, both to no avail.

It seems a very unlikely disposal site in my opinion, as it would obviously require running the unnecessary risk of transporting a corpse over a kilometre and digging a sufficiently deep hole.

Quite why he hasn't followed through on his assertion that he intends to enlist the services of a South African EVRD team, is the subject of some conjecture, as this would resolve the matter within hal an hour.

Apart from carrying a body over a kilometre they wouldn't have been able to dig a hole without the use of a pick axe as Amaral said in his book the ground was too hard and dry to bury his dead dog.  So unless someone comes forward to say they sold the McCann's a pick axe then its rubbish.  Plus when are they supposed to have buried her?

[Uncle Jr]

Apart from carrying a body over a kilometre they wouldn't have been able to dig a hole without the use of a pick axe as Amaral said in his book the ground was too hard and dry to bury his dead dog.  So unless someone comes forward to say they sold the McCann's a pick axe then its rubbish.  Plus when are they supposed to have buried her?

For the sake of fairness, there are other digging implements available and, as I mentioned, another part of the area was successfully dug by him previously. It's a rocky outcrop, hence the name, but there will be pockets where the scrub has taken hold that will be relatively easy digging. Have a look on Google Maps, there's numerous spots that look soft enough to dig.
That said, it's all pie in the sky, as he's gone down a rabbit hole (no pun intended) from which there's no escape.

[kizzy]

Craig Murray never published his ?sauces? just made wild unsubstantiated allegations afaik.
As for HCW, he has yet to be demoted to traffic cop, or rolled in tar and feathered as far as I know, and the investigation into CB is ongoing which is why presumably there has been no pubilcation regarding all the evidence held on him.

He named the establishment. the ones who was there...

You can rubbish it as much as you like [a mere poster on a forum.

Craig Murry is in a position to know a lot more than you.


The Strange Case of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the McCanns


. . . Which leads me on to the question of why they received such exceptional treatment from British authorities, directed straight from No. 10, to the extent that Blair and Brown eventually gave them a PR representative? I used at one stage to be Resident Clerk in the FCO, a now abolished post effectively of night duty officer. I can tell you from horrible personal experience that the FCO deals with gut-wrenching cases of lost or dead children abroad frequently. I spent one of the most terrible three hours of my life, through to a cold dawn, on the phone with a hysterical bereaved mother desperate to explore any avenue that might give a possibility that the boy who had just drowned in Brazil was misidentified as her son. On average, I am afraid such tragedies get substantially less than 1% of the public resources that were devoted to the McCanns.

[kizzy]

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

In my post he didn't mention knowing Maddie was buried so you changed the narrative.

It was about why they wanted the patsy C.B. desperately to be the abductor.

Seems another tactic to just rubbish what was said L

Maybe read it again.


From Bernt:


Wolters fell for OpG story about "the last man standing" (has to be the one), and thought by going out hard and playing a psychological game on CB and FF, that they'd plea for a deal just because a phone CB had used was located in town (not the OC) at the time of the faked abduction.

Sadly for the silly Germans who hadn't read a single page of the police files, they got to a point of no return very quickly by going out in public claiming and PRETENDING that they had "concrete evidence". It was all lies due to a strategy of making CB crack. Wolters two female bosses were convinced CB was guilty, with zero knowledge about the content of the PJ files. These three people are incompetent beyond words, and tried something very un-German (!) because they got blinded by the possibility of becoming famous. They are now world famous for being incompetent clowns.

Sadly for the German's they had possibly watched too many US movies thinking the "resort" was Ocean Club, rather than the resort of Praia da Luz, which we heard on Saunokonokos podcast dawned on Walters, as he asked to talk to his translator in the middle of the interview. Saunokonoko asked him if the Ocean Club had a mobile antenna, and right then he knew he'd f'd up.

[kizzy]

Why is this man keeping it a secret where Madeleine's body is buried?  Why doesn't he speak up and end the torment for the parents?  Isn't he supposed to have given his theory to the Portuguese Police?  Why haven't they said or done something about it?   Hmmm I wonder.

Hmm yes, I wonder too..............why HCW thought maddie was dead yet never informed the mccs why.

In June 2020, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters, who is leading the investigation into prime suspect Christian Brueckner, stated that his team had "concrete evidence" or "indications" that Madeleine McCann is dead.
While Wolters claimed at the time that German authorities had written to Kate and Gerry McCann to inform them of this, the situation was characterized by conflicting reports regarding communication with the parents:
Prosecutor's Claim: Wolters indicated that the McCanns were informed in writing that the case was now a murder investigation, but that police could not share the specific details or evidence at that stage to avoid jeopardizing the investigation. He noted, "They know that we assume that Madeleine was killed by our suspect".
Parents' Response: Shortly after these reports in June 2020, Kate and Gerry McCann denied receiving any such letter confirming their daughter's death, stating that reports of a "letter of proof" were "false". They stated, "The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE".

[Vertigo Swirl]

He named the establishment. the ones who was there...

You can rubbish it as much as you like [a mere poster on a forum.

Craig Murry is in a position to know a lot more than you.


The Strange Case of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the McCanns


. . . Which leads me on to the question of why they received such exceptional treatment from British authorities, directed straight from No. 10, to the extent that Blair and Brown eventually gave them a PR representative? I used at one stage to be Resident Clerk in the FCO, a now abolished post effectively of night duty officer. I can tell you from horrible personal experience that the FCO deals with gut-wrenching cases of lost or dead children abroad frequently. I spent one of the most terrible three hours of my life, through to a cold dawn, on the phone with a hysterical bereaved mother desperate to explore any avenue that might give a possibility that the boy who had just drowned in Brazil was misidentified as her son. On average, I am afraid such tragedies get substantially less than 1% of the public resources that were devoted to the McCanns.

Craig Murray is just another conspir-a-loon and anti-semite to boot who believes Israel was behind the Salisbury poisonings.   He also supports Hamas and Hezbollah which is benath contempt imo.  In short he has little credibility as a blogger as far as I?m concerned and I will continue to rubbish him every time his name is mentioned henceforward..

[faithlilly]

Could you answer my question please?  To remind you of your position - you believe Gerry is a liar but of all the many, many accounts that night that led to the police concluding that the alarm was raised at around 10pm you only believe Gerry?s account which puts it at a time that destroys his own alibi.  Now, why is that I wonder, when not one single other witness puts it that late?  Why are you seemingly prepared to accept that everyone else is either lying or mistaken but only Gerry?s word should be accepted on this one occasion?  Explain the logic.  I mean, I already know the answer of course but I?d like to hear you try and justify it.

The ?around? is the kicker. Gerry was relatively precise in his timings. The other members of the tapas group less so. Likewise the waiters etc.

For the record I think that Gerry told the truth about many things that happened that night, especially when there were witnesses that could contradict him.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The ?around? is the kicker. Gerry was relatively precise in his timings. The other members of the tapas group less so. Likewise the waiters etc.

For the record I think that Gerry told the truth about many things that happened that night, especially when there were witnesses that could contradict him.

ALL the witnesses contradict the notion that the alarm was raised at 10.15pm.  Why do you think this is?
And why do you think he deliberately blew his alibi out of the water, if he was seen by witnesses off to dump his child earlier that evening?  Explanation please.

[faithlilly]

Craig Murray is just another conspir-a-loon and anti-semite to boot who believes Israel was behind the Salisbury poisonings.   He also supports Hamas and Hezbollah which is benath contempt imo.  In short he has little credibility as a blogger as far as I?m concerned and I will continue to rubbish him every time his name is mentioned henceforward..

I?d advise anyone interested in Craig Murray to do their own research.

Peter Oborne, himself a respected journalist and the former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph described Murray as "one of the greatest truth-tellers of our time" and said that "Apart from Julian Assange, no one has done more to expose coalition crimes during the War on Terror."