Mark Harrison and the searches he recommended and took part in.

[Angelo222]

Eddie's behaviour changed when passing that car. That is on video and clear evidence of him finding the scent. It didn't change passing another car but the Scenic regardless of posters or what others think. The dog behaviour changing is clear to all.

It wasn't the car that initially interested him but an air scent several yards away from the Scenic.  You have to admit though Pathfinder, Eddie was called back to the Scenic several times as his interest was elsewhere.

[ferryman]

Eddie's behaviour changed when passing that car. That is on video and clear evidence of him finding the scent. It didn't change passing another car but the Scenic regardless of posters or what others think. The dog behaviour changing is clear to all.

No it's not.

Eddie reacted to his master's beaconing .....

[G-Unit]

Good points G-Unit.  Something I don't understand though is, were the dogs sent to PdL to clear the arguidos or implicate them?

After Harrison had looked round PdL he recommended using the dogs. He recommended searching the creche area, the apartments of the T9, Murat's house and garden and other areas nearby. His brief was to suggest areas where a body may have been or where it might be hidden. 

All options seem to have been covered; an abductor taking, killing and disposing on nearby wasteland, Murat the arguido taking her to his house and disposing, or parental/friend involvement. The surprise, imo, was the alerts pointed exclusively to parental involvement. I really don't believe anyone expected that.

[Angelo222]

After Harrison had looked round PdL he recommended using the dogs. He recommended searching the creche area, the apartments of the T9, Murat's house and garden and other areas nearby. His brief was to suggest areas where a body may have been or where it might be hidden. 

All options seem to have been covered; an abductor taking, killing and disposing on nearby wasteland, Murat the arguido taking her to his house and disposing, or parental/friend involvement. The surprise, imo, was the alerts pointed exclusively to parental involvement. I really don't believe anyone expected that.

Very true.  What surprised me about the villa inspections was that there were seemingly no reported alerts in the Murat's villa.  I find that very hard to believe since Eddie would have alerted to dried blood and many other human substances while Keela would have alerted to dried blood.

Why was the video taken in the Murat villa not made public?

[ferryman]

After Harrison had looked round PdL he recommended using the dogs. He recommended searching the creche area, the apartments of the T9, Murat's house and garden and other areas nearby. His brief was to suggest areas where a body may have been or where it might be hidden. 

All options seem to have been covered; an abductor taking, killing and disposing on nearby wasteland, Murat the arguido taking her to his house and disposing, or parental/friend involvement. The surprise, imo, was the alerts pointed exclusively to parental involvement. I really don't believe anyone expected that.

These were Harrison's recommendations:

In considering the two scenarios that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body disposed of by a person on foot or in a vehicle, [why Amaral lied that 'we talked about death by others, not murder, heaven only knows] I have reflected on the areas within zone 1 that have been previously searched or subject to forensic examination.

Mark Warner Creche at Praia Da Luz.

This is the location of the last confirmed sighting by a person independent of family members of Madeleine McCann. Although this location was within the original search area it may well benefit from a further search using enhanced detecting methods for human remains. This will depend on the size of any outside grounds and concealed areas inside the building.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. This search process could be repeated in all the apartments that were occupied by the friends holidaying with the McCann's.
Murat's House and Garden.

The property has been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however the house and gardens may benefit from a fully invasive specialist search to preclude the presence of Madeleine McCann.
A method previously employed on similar cases has been to use the below assets.
Deploy the EVRD to search the house and garden to ensure Madeleine McCann's remains are not present. The dog may also indicate if a body has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property, though this is not evidential merely intelligence.
Deploy the CSI dog to search the house to locate any human blood.
This will act in support of the forensic examination already completed.
An inhibiting factor will be on areas where Luminol has been used.


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Deploy geophysical instruments in the house and garden to detect any burial of a body or concealment in voids.

These specialists should be supported by physical search teams exploring and accessing all areas where concealment of a child's body could be made typically 0.5m.

Murat's Vehicles.

All vehicles Murat has had access to have been forensically examined to recover any surface trace evidence however they may all benefit from a full search by the EVRD and CSI dogs. They may be able to detect whether a dead body has been transported in one of the vehicles for intelligence purposes or detect human blood deposits that can be recovered and
examined in a laboratory for Madeleine McCann's blood.

Open Area to East of Praia Da Luz.

Harrison mentioned nothing about any vehicles other than those (sic) owned or driven by Murat.

Harrison mentioned nothing about the villa (in what I quote above).

Harrison makes no reference at all (to the inspection in the gym) and (retrospectively) dismissed it as (sic) a PJ holding-exercise.

ETA: I can't for the moment, place it, but somewhere in the files, it is made plain that Murat, also, had no case to answer (his arguido status was revoked, just as the McCanns' arguido status was revoked).

[Angelo222]

Thing is Ferryman, Harrison's recommendation of using the EVRD in 5a could only point to one thing.

[ferryman]

Thing is Ferryman, Harrison's recommendation of using the EVRD in 5a could only point to one thing.

Harrison's recommendation was on the back of the brief handed to him by the PJ that he investigate that Madeleine had been murdered.

Harrison could only have concluded his final report (by frankly admitting that he had no clue what happened to Madeleine) for one reason ....

[Angelo222]

Harrison's recommendation was on the back of the brief handed to him by the PJ that he investigate that Madeleine had been murdered.

Harrison could only have concluded his final report (by frankly admitting that he had no clue what happened to Madeleine) for one reason ....

The point has already been made that for death scent to be discovered in 5a a body would have to have lain there for hours which rules out any intruder and implicates the parents by default.  In that respect therefore, Harrison's brief was thus aimed at implicating or clearing the parents imo.

[ferryman]

The point has already been made that for death scent to be discovered in 5a a body would have to have lain there for hours which rules out any intruder and implicates the parents by default.  Harrison's brief was thus aimed at implicating or clearing the parents imo.

Implicates the parents by default how?

All it does is to amply what Harrison says by default; that no inference (of any description) can be drawn from the reactions of the dogs.

Harrison would have made himself look a bit silly saying this:

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.

if he had pre-determined that the dogs should be brought in to look for 'a body'.

[pathfinder73]

Very true.  What surprised me about the villa inspections was that there were seemingly no reported alerts in the Murat's villa.  I find that very hard to believe since Eddie would have alerted to dried blood and many other human substances while Keela would have alerted to dried blood.

Why was the video taken in the Murat villa not made public?

No idea about Murat's footage but there were no alerts by Eddie.

Dogs get in close to sniff for traces of blood the human eye cannot see. Eddie's behaviour will change straight away when detecting a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent so he goes in first. If Eddie alerts then the blood dog Keela is used.  At his first alert location no blood was detected by Keela.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant." Martin Grime

[ferryman]

No idea about Murat's footage but there were no alerts by Eddie.

Dogs get in close to sniff for traces of blood the human eye cannot see. Eddie's behaviour will change straight away when detecting a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent so he goes in first. If Eddie alerts then the blood dog Keela is used.  At his first alert location no blood was detected by Keela.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant." Martin Grime

And Grime says in his rogatory interview that the dog (did!) not differentiate between "strong" or "less-strong" scents.

[pathfinder73]

Let's put it in simple layman terms for you. Dried microscopic blood traces would be found in every apartment Eddie searched but he doesn't go in there to sniff every inch of the apartments for that. He goes in first to detect a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent and if found alerts. These dogs work as a team to find evidence of death.

[ferryman]

Let's put it in simple layman terms for you. Dried microscopic blood traces would be found in every apartment Eddie searched but he doesn't go in there to sniff every inch of the apartments for that. He goes in first to detect a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent and if found alerts. These dogs work as a team to find evidence of death.

Layman's terms?

In layman's terms Eddie (was) trained to react to a scent and barked when he detected it.

He was trained on pigs, not humans.

And this:

'Based upon the dogs' behaviour, is it possible to distinguish between a strong signal and a weak signal'.

The dogs' passive CSI alert provides an indication as per their training and does not vary. They only give an alert when they are 'positive' that the target of the odour is present and immediately accessible. If they had any doubts they would not give an alert. EVRD gives an alert by means of a vocal bark. The variations in the vocal alert can be explained by many reasons such as 'thirst' or 'lack of air due to effort'.

[Alfie]

Let's put it in simple layman terms for you. Dried microscopic blood traces would be found in every apartment Eddie searched but he doesn't go in there to sniff every inch of the apartments for that. He goes in first to detect a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent and if found alerts. These dogs work as a team to find evidence of death.

Between 3rd May and the day the dogs carried out the searches how many different people entered that apartment and who were they, what were their names and professions?

[Robittybob1]

Let's put it in simple layman terms for you. Dried microscopic blood traces would be found in every apartment Eddie searched but he doesn't go in there to sniff every inch of the apartments for that. He goes in first to detect a stronger scent e.g. cadaver scent and if found alerts. These dogs work as a team to find evidence of death.

That is the bit I don't understand yet.  How does Mr Grime switch the dog from one mode to the other.  I don't hear him commanding his dog to find "find death" and later "find blood".