Wandering Off Topic

[Alice Purjorick]

precisely...and parents left their children in chalets at butlins whilst playing bingo.....both wrong

alice...the relationship  between smoking, passive smoking and lung cancer  is well established....dont treat it as a joke

It was well established in about 1956. The period to which I referred.
Who said I was treating "it" as a joke rather than treating something else as a joke ?

[sadie]

Mr Brunt that moronic !!!!     

He trashed that claim. even a young gazelle couldn't do it in that time! IF they were that close she could have waved and shouted for the tapas tram to come to her...

45 seconds eh   

Before making incorrect statements, Mistaken, I suggest that you check the facts first.

Using Google Earth everyonje can measure the distance.  The group were a tadge over 50 metres away from 5A patio windows, crow flies

By foot they were less than 80 metres away



Both Kate and Gerry were very fit and good practiced runners.

100 metres on the flat has been accomplished in 9.58 seconds.  Therefore say 80 metres would take 9.58 x 0.8 = 7.7 seconds.

Now neither Kate nor Gerry, though fast, is Usain Bolt, so let's be generous and double that time     7.7 x 2 = 15.4 seconds.

Allow time for opening two unlocked gates and steps up (which are part of the ascribed  distance and could easily be taken two at a time with such fit people).  Add a slow start from sitting and in my estimation the shortest time for one of them to run that distance is under 30 seconds

Under 30 seconds from seat to patio door of 5A.   And that is being generous to you disbelievers.

[sadie]

Enbolden.... they could NOT see the comings and goings of anyone from that patio door due the bushes ..

Once again, Mistaken, you are totally incorrect.  The bushes had JUST been cut back and from my position in the Tapas restaurant i could see virtually all the patio window.  The bushes had just been cut back before my visit too.

I sat a little over 2 metres away from the so called tapas group.

Foliage grows very rapidly in the the Atlantic Praia de Luz area, due to the rain coming in from the Atlantic and the sunny conditions.  It is essential to judge the view with foliage cut back as when Madeleine vanished, otherwise the patio windows get hidden by the rapidly growing foliage.

Eleven years on, I doubt that the conditiion and height etc of the bushes can be reproduced as they were eleven years earlier

[sadie]

I cn only assume they did, once they stopped laughing at the 30/40 seconds away, story, and the mother running out to go get the Tapas group leaving babies alone again after one had already been abducted.

 I mean come on...

"Why wouldn't the trained investigators of the PJ do what had occurred to a journalist to do in walking the distance and maybe even timing" 

Well , them trained investigators probably wouldn't because they could not see  people sitting at the Tapas from the balcony, they also didn't believe they were'like sitting in a garden' So the steps and times would not have been relevant within the first few hours...too busy munching them samiches, watching Kate n Gerry searching all alone.

See my post @12.03am today

They could have done it in under 30 seconds.  They could see everything because of the illumination and the fact that the bushes had just been trimmed back

[sadie]

That is not the point GA was making.  It is from the perspective of an intruder.  Did an intruder know the Tapas 9 had trouble seeing the apartment?

Sorry but you are listening to the wrong people and have consequently got it wrong yourself.  I have been there, eaten at that restaurant and seen for myself.

Amaral confirms that no intruder would go in via the patio door to the lounge because it was overlooked by the Tapas group at only 50 metres.   I am doubtful that he even noticed the patio door to the parents bedroom cos as far as I am aware, no forensics were done on that window.

Jeez, Unbelievable !!!  .... if my doubt is correct.

[sadie]

Would you think it reasonable to leave your kids unattended in that apartment while you ate? I was pretty shocked when i saw a programme on this and the map showing the distance from apartment to where they were eating, imo they took one hell of a risk in leaving them it wasnt as though they were very near to the apartment

So how far way was it ?

And how long would it take to get there in an emergency?

PS  Google Earth will give you the necessary information

[slartibartfast]

So how far way was it ?

And how long would it take to get there in an emergency?

PS  Google Earth will give you the necessary information

Scenario

Madeleine wakes up, wanders around the apartment in the dark, trips and bangs her head. How long will it take for anyone to get there?

[G-Unit]

Scenario

Madeleine wakes up, wanders around the apartment in the dark, trips and bangs her head. How long will it take for anyone to get there?

All three children wake up and cry. Will anyone hear them and 'run'?

As for seeing anything to alarm them;

1578 'And from where you were sat, what was your view like of the apartments''
 Reply 'Erm well yeah I could see, I mean I could see the patio doors of ours and Gerry and Kates'.

1578 'How much of the patio doors''
 Reply 'Erm well kind of the top half really'.

1578 'Okay'.
 Reply "Yeah you know, I didn't get a full you know, you couldn't get a full view sort of right in, cos there were bushes, there were bushes and stuff there, erm'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[sadie]

Scenario

Madeleine wakes up, wanders around the apartment in the dark, trips and bangs her head. How long will it take for anyone to get there?

Oh, I thought that she was tall enough to reach the light switches

[Angelo222]

Once again, Mistaken, you are totally incorrect.  The bushes had JUST been cut back and from my position in the Tapas restaurant i could see virtually all the patio window.  The bushes had just been cut back before my visit too.

I sat a little over 2 metres away from the so called tapas group.

Foliage grows very rapidly in the the Atlantic Praia de Luz area, due to the rain coming in from the Atlantic and the sunny conditions.  It is essential to judge the view with foliage cut back as when Madeleine vanished, otherwise the patio windows get hidden by the rapidly growing foliage.

Eleven years on, I doubt that the conditiion and height etc of the bushes can be reproduced as they were eleven years earlier

You must have extremely good eyesight to make out any detail at that distance Sadie.  The photo below shows exactly what can be seen from the tapas restaurant.

McCann apartment patio shown circled.

[Angelo222]

What is it about you and my posts, slarti?

I see that you have managed to alter 4 out of five of them on this thread already and I only started posting after midnight !!!

Please explain your  reasons in detail in future when you use the "RED LINE" to score out parts, or all, of everything that I write.  My posts had passed the critical eye of at least two moderators, and NOT ONE of them was altered until you came along at just after 6am and altered the lot.

Just why is it that you enjoy decimating everything I write?

Admin posted a reminder of the forum rules yesterday across all the boards. Criticism of other users is not permitted.

Snip

Please treat all members with respect and accept gracefully that other users may not necessarily share your point of view.  Debates should be structured and constructive, they should not be used as a mechanism to disrupt or goad or provoke other users.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg466563#msg466563

[Carana]

You must have extremely good eyesight to make out any detail at that distance Sadie.  The photo below shows exactly what can be seen from the tapas restaurant.

McCann apartment patio shown circled.

Where was their table in relation to the viewpoint of where that photo was taken?

Where and when did this photo originate, Angelo?

[Angelo222]

So how far way was it ?

And how long would it take to get there in an emergency?

PS  Google Earth will give you the necessary information

Did it matter how far it was because the parents were totally oblivious to anything happening.

[Angelo222]

Where was their table in relation to the viewpoint of where that photo was taken?

Where and when did this photo originate, Angelo?

The photo I posted was taken from the best possible vantage point ie beyond the plastic sheeting.
The photo was taken by Jacques Lange for the Paris Match Magazine.


From Gonçalo Amaral's book, 'The Truth of the Lie', page 60:
 
'At night, with the existing vegetation, in a restaurant with a lateral opaque plastic cover and with the group of friends sat with their backs to the apartments, they weren't seeing anything and any person could easily have had access to the apartment without being detected, coming in and calmly and deceptively coming out.'

[IndigoJ]

So how far way was it ?

And how long would it take to get there in an emergency?

PS  Google Earth will give you the necessary information

Too far.