Did OC reception let Madeleine down?

[Robittybob1]

If the phone call had been made earlier the call out to Odiaxere may not yet have happened and the Police could turn up much more promptly.  There would have been less contamination of the crime scene, scent trails would be fresher.

[Robittybob1]

Hmm indeed. I wondered when someone would get that point I was trying to be diplomatic.


Elenor I do have give, I will give to you another scenario. Lets say,suppose if you will,  Kate saw Maddie wasn't in her bed, she went to look for her in and around the apartment,knew she had left the door unlocked and maybe told Maddie this the day Maddie questiond her, Kate realises Maddie must have left via the unlocked door- hence a panic set in and she ran to tell the others, after she had opened the shutters and window to look out to see if she could see Maddie, at one point afraid to call the police incase arrests were immenent, and what would hr partens and others think of them- quick thinking  she claimed abduction from the room via the jemmied shutters/open window.

Please do not remove this post as this is JUST SUPPOSING, I am not making any claims it happened.  Typing this does not make me or others  nasty people.

That is the crime scene simulated by Kate theory.

[Robittybob1]

in 125 I say " IMO that might be explained if they knew more than Kate did.  Did they know that Madeleine should have found in the gardens somewhere?"  That is what I said, saying nothing about escaping from the bedroom.
Even when Kate and others suggested MM had been taken they assured them she would have just wandered off, hence the missing child procedure activated.

In the context of the argument I'm saying even though simulation by Kate is possible, the reaction of the T9 group suggests an earlier simulation.

[Robittybob1]

If you could show me evidence of who Matt spoke to when he was told by Fiona to call the Police I will believe you.
Why is there no evidence of this major event?  So why are we blaming OC for letting MM down?  Maybe it was really Matt for instead of going straight there he kept searching places on the way. Did he even do what he was told to do?

No one can do this so the blame can't go on the OC reception staff.

[Robittybob1]

We know that Matt went straight to main reception and spoke with the duty receptionist.  We know that the receptionist suggested that the girl may have simply ran off and was hiding somewhere.  So who to blame for not calling the police immediately Rob?

I claim that if you  read Matt's statements he doesn't say he went straight to the main reception.  He kept searching along the way.  To me that is not going straight there, but hoping she is found in the vicinity prior to the need to request OC to call the police.

[Robittybob1]

I also wondered whether that was the reason - although I wouldn't blame him for not ringing the police immediately - as in the past other children who went missing at the OC were found via the 'missing child' procedure.  He obviously thought this was just another case of a child wandering off.

I can't think of a single reason why Matt would lie about going to reception and asking for the police to be called.  What did he have to gain by lying about it?   (If that is what is being suggested)

IMO

I believe Matt went to reception but didn't insist the police were called immediately.

[Robittybob1]

That would be a coincidence, wouldn't it?

962414590 phoned at 22.59 Luis Barros (Millenium) He was phoned by Nelson Rodriguez. Both men's statements confirm this call.

917684772 phoned at 23.05 and 23.28. Jeronimo Salcedas. He mentions being telephoned in his rog interview.

961924789 phoned at 23.57. Nelson Rodriguez. This call isn't mentioned but is probably connected to searching like the above calls.

I can see no reason why the call from Helder to Santos isn't there.

Did I respond to this post?  The calls you mention are all around 23.00 or later  whereas I'm looking for call around the 21.30 - 22.00 mark.

[Robittybob1]

Here is excerpt from Kate's book Test from http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/the-night-madeleine-mccann-was-kidnapped.html
I haven't checked it for accuracy but it tells of John Hill's arrival at the apartment. Around 10:35 according to Kate  He is expecting the Police to arrive  " 'Where are the police?' I yelled at him.

He tried to reassure me they'd be with us soon, ..." but you all tell me they were not called till 10:42.  Come on what is going on with the OC reception?
How could he say they will be with them soon if they had not yet been called?

Crucial conversation between the two players.  Unresolved issues remain IMO.

[Robittybob1]

John Hill arrived on the balcony after the police were called; he arrived at the resort at 22. 33, then went to the 24 hour reception to see if the authorities had been notified. They hadn't, as we know, hence the 22.41 call at Hill's request. Then the trip to 5A;

The deponent went to the main reception to see if the authorities had been alerted, and fifteen minutes later went to the apartment being used by the McCanns
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm

22.50 he arrived at 5A, not 22.35; that was when Matt was allegedly sent to Reception for the second time, although no-one else mentions that.

I might have accepted John Hill's version except for his own admission:

he doesn't remember whom, that they had arrived at about 23.30, but as he was so busy he declared that he had no notion of the passage of time.

So all his statements about time except for the phone call from Lyndsay are doubtful for I believe that is from a phone log.

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[Robittybob1]

Reading what Amy T says again and because MM shoes were still there Amy T thought she had been taken.  I.e. not climbed out the window.  But it sounds like the receptionist just thought she had wandered off, but he hadn't actually checked the situation as Amy T had.  Amy Tierney is a hero in my books.  At least she got the missing child procedure in action.

SIL has a good write up on Amy Tierney https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/madeleine-golden-hours-amy-tierney/

Without stating how she found out, Amy immediately went to apartment 5A and entered via the patio door. She search the apartment to make sure that Madeleine was not hiding.

Then Amy’s statement is vague, saying that outside searches were initiated, without saying what the time was or who did what.

Amy says Gerry McCann went to reception to get the police called as soon as the child’s disappearance had occurred, and that 20 minutes had passed since then. This does not tally with Kate’s book Madeleine, in which Gerry visited the Mini Club to see if Madeleine had gone there.

You might speculate that it was during Gerry's early visit to the Mini Club that Amy Tierney is alerted to MM missing.
But it seems to be more the comments from a tourist picking up a child from the night creche.

[Robittybob1]

When you read http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm you wonder why it couldn't have been determined who it was that alerted the creche workers of a missing child even earlier than Matt's visit.  She seems to know Madeleine's name or at least a name similar.

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her.

Significant this Maddie has not been abducted but disappeared and she seems findable.

[G-Unit]

When you read http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm you wonder why it couldn't have been determined who it was that alerted the creche workers of a missing child even earlier than Matt's visit.  She seems to know Madeleine's name or at least a name similar.
Significant this Maddie has not been abducted but disappeared and she seems findable.

Eveyone except the parents assumed she had wandered off. It sounds like people were calling her name, but why Maddie? No-one used that name according to Kate.

[Robittybob1]

From charlotte Pennington's statement we find that the creche workers guessed who the missing child was. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CHARLOTTE-PENNINGTON.htm

With the confirmation that a female child had disappeared and, on the basis of the name the woman had given them, they guessed that it must be Madeleine, for which reason Amy telephoned her boss, Lyndsay, who informed them of Madeleines disappearance. The procedure for searching for a lost child was put into action. It was an organised search in different areas of the company concerned.

Eveyone except the parents assumed she had wandered off. It sounds like people were calling her name, but why Maddie? No-one used that name according to Kate.

It is a mystery.

[Robittybob1]

When you read http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm you wonder why it couldn't have been determined who it was that alerted the creche workers of a missing child even earlier than Matt's visit.  She seems to know Madeleine's name or at least a name similar.
Significant this Maddie has not been abducted but disappeared and she seems findable.

All the names of the parents must be recorded somewhere

That on 3rd May at about 22.05 she was working at the Mini Club, at the "dinner time period" together with colleagues Charlotte and Amy, when a female individual arrived, whose name she does not know, just that she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2), being a guest who was staying at the resort and who left at the end of the week, who told her that a girl called "Maddie" has disappeared, and that the girl's parents needed help in looking for her.

[Brietta]

Eveyone except the parents assumed she had wandered off. It sounds like people were calling her name, but why Maddie? No-one used that name according to Kate.

That is inaccurate, Robbity.

The McCanns said: “Madeleine does not like to be called Maddie and does not answer to Maddie”.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077705/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2014  Kate made no claim that no-one ever called her 'Maddie'.