If Madeleine is found then that's the end of the discussion, isn't it? There's nothing for us to do.
If Madeleine is found then that's the end of the discussion, isn't it? There's nothing for us to do.
When Madeleine is Found, what will we all do?
I use the term "When" loosely. We don't know if this will ever happen, but it could.
No, I won't be deleting opinions that do not agree with mine, providing there are no insults or libel.
All I want you to do is consider the possibility.
When Madeleine is Found, what will we all do?
I use the term "When" loosely. We don't know if this will ever happen, but it could.
No, I won't be deleting opinions that do not agree with mine, providing there are no insults or libel.
All I want you to do is consider the possibility.
At the very least I think that if she has a litigious mind to she has the potential to become a very rich woman indeed, I can think of quite a few who might have concerns about that.
I've considered the possibility, &, she's dead, will never be found.
I'm 100% certain of this, she can always sue me if I'm wrong.
Hm. I hadn't thought of that. But she could certainly write a book.
And then there could be a Trial if an abductor is caught. Is this a stitch up?
Hm. I hadn't thought of that. But she could certainly write a book.If Madeleine is found alive someone is responsible for keeping her out of the public eye since 2007 and if that was in an European setting I imagine there must be records of where she has been, when and with whom for all that time.
And then there could be a Trial if an abductor is caught. Is this a stitch up?
You assume she can read and write.
If Madeleine is found alive someone is responsible for keeping her out of the public eye since 2007 and if that was in an European setting I imagine there must be records of where she has been, when and with whom for all that time.
I think there may be difficulty gathering evidence of that and many other issues which may be why nothing official is being put in the public domain, nor is anything being allowed to leak.
A book would be good, particularly if she was able to recall any recollection at all of her early years.
If Madeleine is found then that's the end of the discussion, isn't it? There's nothing for us to do.You cannot be serious?!
You assume she can read and write.She could learn, or get her mum to write it.
I can still recall traumatic things that happened to me at that age. i very nearly drowned myself in a bath once. And then there were bombs and shelters and Italian Prisoners of War mending the roads. And how sorry I felt for them. Oh, and a sojourn in Wales where I was taken down a mine to see the Pit Ponies. And all those bloody sheep eating people's gardens half way up some Welsh Mountain. And then there was the time I was taken to this huge long beach when I wasn't wearing any knickers because I didn't have a clean pair. I can still remember my outrage at that.
Unfortunately you don't have any evidence let alone proof.
Oh, by the way, I still remember the odd slice of Spam. This wasn't a good experience.
I remember quite a lot from when I was very young too like being carried on my father's shoulders or going for walks with my parents and a beautiful lassie type collie we had; nothing much traumatic happened to me but I remember being an onlooker at a couple of family traumas although I didn't know what was going on at the time.
So if we can remember and I know others who can ... there is a fair chance Madeleine will be able to remember something unless being separated from her family was so terrible for her that she has blocked it out.
What? Like you have evidence & proof she's alive & was abducted you mean?
No, I don't. But I have hope, which obviously deserted you a long time ago. How very sad.
No amount of hope is going to bring Maddie back.
There is absolutely no harm in hoping that Madeleine is alive and safe and well.
But I think there is a lot of harm in people going out of their way to invest in promoting the death of a little child and to keep up the insistence that she is for years without a scintilla of supporting evidence.
If Madeleine is found to be alive ... do you think she would be entitled to feel a bit miffed at being written off way back in 2007?
I remember quite a lot from when I was very young too like being carried on my father's shoulders or going for walks with my parents and a beautiful lassie type collie we had; nothing much traumatic happened to me but I remember being an onlooker at a couple of family traumas although I didn't know what was going on at the time.
So if we can remember and I know others who can ... there is a fair chance Madeleine will be able to remember something unless being separated from her family was so terrible for her that she has blocked it out.
Who mentioned happy memories of being taken by a paedophile? What are you on about??!
So how can you think this - you belive the mcns version.
That is - that Maddie was taken by a pedophile gang so some happy memories there for her if that is the case
Who mentioned happy memories of being taken by a paedophile? What are you on about??!
So the only person who has mentioned happy memories vis-a-vis being abducted by a paedo is you. God knows how your mind works tbh.
What are you.
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So if we can remember and I know others who can ... there is a fair chance Madeleine will be able to remember something
If like the mcns believe Maddie was taken by a pedophile gang - and can remember
I would think any memory would be best forgotten.
Whatever happened and you don't know what happened - won't be a happy memory either way IMO.
@)(++(* Sorry have corrected it.Yes, I’m perfectly normal. Had I been kidnapped on one of the occasions I had been left unattended I would have longed to be reunited with my family more than anything. The idea that I’d be thinking “happy this complete stranger rescued me from my rubbish parents” is just childish pathetic troll thinking.
I'm sure you have turned out a nice person in the real world all the same.
Yes, I’m perfectly normal. Had I been kidnapped on one of the occasions I had been left unattended I would have longed to be reunited with my family more than anything. The idea that I’d be thinking “happy this complete stranger rescued me from my rubbish parents” is just childish pathetic troll thinking.Some might suggest it's a shame you weren't kidnapped.
Some might suggest it's a shame you weren't kidnapped.
I wouldn't, of course, I think you're a credit to the forum.
Some might suggest it's a shame you weren't kidnapped.
I wouldn't, of course, I think you're a credit to the forum.
There's nice. Say Thank You, VS.No, he’s taking the piss. He’s already made his true feelings about me but never mind I can live with that.
No, he’s taking the piss. He’s already made his true feelings about me but never mind I can live with that.
Nooooo. Never. Really?yup. He has to wade through my crappy posts to get the good stuff. Said so himself.
yup. He has to wade through my crappy posts to get the good stuff. Said so himself.
The truth as far as I am concerned is that when Madeleine disappeared she deserved to be looked for then and should never have had to wait until 2013 before the police acted as they should have back in 2007.
I don't have an agenda ... and I will never be ashamed of wishing Madeleine McCann well and that her parents and the parents of all missing people get the comfort of knowing what happened to their loved ones.
The truth as far as I am concerned is that when Madeleine disappeared she deserved to be looked for
What Maddie did deserve as a 3-year-old is the protection of her parents to look after her and keep her safe.
If that had been the case she wouldn't have needed to be looked for.
afaiac she also deserved the protection of the police...as we all do.
That's your opinion blame the police is it D
In my world, your Mother was always your last line of defense.
Without that care, you are left to the elements - just as Maddie was IMO
Then whats the point of having a police force...if criminals know the police are useless there will be more crime.....you should stop making excuses for the police
Or you stop making excuses for the so-called parents.
What you don't know either is what happened.
The truth as far as I am concerned is that when Madeleine disappeared she deserved to be looked for
What Maddie did deserve as a 3-year-old is the protection of her parents to look after her and keep her safe.
If that had been the case she wouldn't have needed to be looked for.
I don't make excuses... They were wrong to leave the children... But Amaral and the PJ were pathetic... But you want to make excuses for them
Do you have the teeniest bit of opprobrium left over to apportion to an abductor ... or is it all reserved exclusively for the McCann family?
Please cut out the slanging now otherwise I will get my Sheriffs badge out.
Madeleine's parents must carry the can for what happened to her that fateful night, had she been properly looked after she was still probably be alive and well today
No, not at all - what I don't believe is that Maddie was abducted.
So IMO - no police force is going to find Maddie.
So IMO G A was just nearer to the truth of what happened.
As neither police force seem to be investigating the parents it's odds on you are wrong ..do you stil not realise amaral didn't understand the evidence... Have you read his book or watched the documentary
He still thought the mcns involved - and as yet the book still stands and the mcns not cleared. imo
You're the Gambler D - not me.
IMO I think Goncalo Amaral came to a sensible conclusion at that time in the investigation.
As he has said numerous times, the investigation was not allowed to run it's course and test certain theories to the end. His hypothesis may have changed had other information come to light.
How is that so hard to understand? I think he was close with his theory and allowed to carry on his investigation unhindered, would have uncovered more detail of what happened.
This is hypothetical. Is it probable that Madeleine could look like this at the age of almost 17 years old?
This is hypothetical. Is it probable that Madeleine could look like this at the age of almost 17 years old?
This is hypothetical. Is it probable that Madeleine could look like this at the age of almost 17 years old?No.
This is hypothetical. Is it probable that Madeleine could look like this at the age of almost 17 years old?
No.
Oh, really ?....let's all scour the internet looking for images of girls that confirmation bias dictates 'might' look like a teenaged Madeleine. Or maybe not.
What makes you so sure ?
I can see many likenesses.
ETA: However after reading Mistys post, I think she is right. The inner part of the ears seem different. Could it be the lighting tho' ?
....let's all scour the internet looking for images of girls that confirmation bias dictates 'might' look like a teenaged Madeleine. Or maybe not.
But we're here again, accepting the regurgitation of images of young women without their consent. At least it's not little girls this time.
i agree childrens photos shouldnt be posted on this forum
Are you at least open to the possibility that Madeleine might be alive? Thus, me posting pictures as ‘hypothetical’, referring to no-one in particular?
When Madeleine is Found, what will we all do?
I use the term "When" loosely. We don't know if this will ever happen, but it could.
No, I won't be deleting opinions that do not agree with mine, providing there are no insults or libel.
All I want you to do is consider the possibility.
Is it possible she has been found alive and well and is under round the clock surveillance until she reaches the age of majority and can then decide what she wants to do?
If she has been found then what? A reunion with her birth family would not be straightforward due to the length of separation. If her abductors are taken into custody she's then in unfamiliar territory again at a time when she might be into studying for higher level qualifications. And what impact would the inevitable intense global media scrutiny have on her?
You see, I didn't actually mean of what would happen to Madeleine.
I meant how would we all deal with it? What would we all have to say.?
Never mind. .All a bit too late now For The Topic.
I for one would have numerous questions to ask.
MMO for example.
Where Madeleine lived and what her life was like.
How her reintegration with the McCanns might proceed.
Some questions are personal and so I would never expect to get an answer. *&^^&
Yes, I agree SIL. Some questions would be difficult.
It is often claimed that when Maddie returns to her loving family ... all will be well.
I seriously doubt that! MBM would would be open to what actually happened- if she did walk and wander looking for her parents and was taken- how she was treated an all the time she was separated from her family.
I have no doubt in my mind the tw..ter brigade will have a say in telling MBM to forgive her parents for their little mistake because the neverstartedstopped looking for her and love her blah blah.
If it were me I would never forgive my parents for treating me like that.
I imagine that Madeleine will almost certainly be a highly intelligent young person who will be well able to differentiate between individuals who have never ceased in their efforts to wish her dead and the parents who never gave up on her and moved heaven and earth until they succeeded in having her looked for and ... as this hypothetical discussion dictates ... found alive and well,
I imagine that Madeleine will almost certainly be a highly intelligent young person who will be well able to differentiate between individuals who have never ceased in their efforts to wish her dead and the parents who never gave up on her and moved heaven and earth until they succeeded in having her looked for and ... as this hypothetical discussion dictates ... found alive and well,
She could also be a fag ash Lil with a kid hanging off a hip.
Yes, I agree SIL. Some questions would be difficult.
It is often claimed that when Maddie returns to her loving family ... all will be well.
I seriously doubt that! MBM would would be open to what actually happened- if she did walk and wander looking for her parents and was taken- how she was treated an all the time she was separated from her family.
I have no doubt in my mind the tw..ter brigade will have a say in telling MBM to forgive her parents for their little mistake because the neverstartedstopped looking for her and love her blah blah.
If it were me I would never forgive my parents for treating me like that.
In all probability she is dead, alas.
Yes, 'hope' is required.
Well yes, but you're not allowed these negative thoughts. She has to be living with a loving family 8(0(*
I haven't seen anyone say 'all will be well' when she returns to her loving family. Of course there would be huge Psychological problems, if she had been taken into a family, she would have grown to love her abdcutors. The people who abducted her would definitely be imprisoned for their crime, so she will lose that 'family' and feel resentful towards the McCann's for that. However, being in contact with her biological family and learning that she had been taken from them, she may bend towards having a relationship with them. As for the forgiving them part of your post, Madeleine is old enough to know that she shouldn't have been taken by someone, even if her parents had left her alone. That is the main thing, she was taken by someone, she will know that is wrong and maybe she wouldn't be able to forgive her abductors for taking her away from her real family.
Well yes, but you're not allowed these negative thoughts. She has to be living with a loving family 8(0(*
IYO, IF your scenario of events were true - they would have taken one 0f the twiins
Whats happened to the pedio gang in your logic - the one the mcs were convinced took maddie.
Don't they get hope when a kidnapped person is found - kept in a cellar
IYO, IF your scenario of events were true - they would have taken one 0f the twiins
Whats happened to the pedio gang in your logic - the one the mcs were convinced took maddie.
Don't they get hope when a kidnapped person is found - kept in a cellar
In my opinion it is quite insane for anyone to invade a home to steal a child in any case and who knows what goes through the mind of such a person.
Why would they take an eighteen month old child instead of a three year old? Maybe that is one of the questions that can be asked of one of the only individual likely to know the answer when Madeleine is found.
Quite if that indeed happened - but we don't know that happened do we.
My reply was to L happy ever after post living with the ideal family ect ect.
If that was the case that maddie was stolen to order for some childless couple - it would have been one of the twins imo
Don't you think it is good for the individuals liberated from a cellar or wherever they have been held in bondage?
Give reasons for why you think that, please.
Don't you think it is good for the individuals liberated from a cellar or wherever they have been held in bondage?If they're alive, otherwise they wouldn't know.
If they're alive, otherwise they wouldn't know.
But yes, in the main a captive being released would be seen an improvement to their previous predicament.
IYO, IF your scenario of events were true - they would have taken one 0f the twiins
Whats happened to the pedio gang in your logic - the one the mcs were convinced took maddie.
Don't they get hope when a kidnapped person is found - kept in a cellar
Would it?
If a child had been incarcerated in a cellar for more than a decade, would they feel confident enough to leave that environment, it having been all they knew?
I think the Fritzl children who were born in a cellar would give the lie to that.
You reckon 1 swallow makes a summer?
There really isn't an appropriate answer to that statement when thought about in context.
I think the Fritzl children who were born in a cellar would give the lie to that.
Are you suggesting that they live a normal life?
Don’t talk tripe, there’s a love.
Well yes, but you're not allowed these negative thoughts. She has to be living with a loving family 8(0(*
Would it?You think most given the option of freedom or remaining in the cellar would choose the cellar?
If a child had been incarcerated in a cellar for more than a decade, would they feel confident enough to leave that environment, it having been all they knew?
You think most given the option of freedom or remaining in the cellar would choose the cellar?Once they understand the concept of freedom, but if the confines of a cellar all they really known, moving to the unknown might be very disturbing.
Once they understand the concept of freedom, but if the confines of a cellar all they really known, moving to the unknown might be very disturbing.But that is no reason at all to let them carry on living in it. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make tbh, are you?
Their lives will certainly be more "normal" than when they were in a cellar.
No doubt there will be difficulties in their readjustment to a "normal" life but their lives can only be vastly better. IMO.
They need ongoing care as the physical and mental affects of what happened are many. They also have genetic diseases due to their incestuous heritage.Would they have been better off if they’d been left to it, with Daddy in charge?
But that is no reason at all to let them carry on living in it. I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make tbh, are you?
They need ongoing care as the physical and mental affects of what happened are many. They also have genetic diseases due to their incestuous heritage.
The point I was making was that it's not just as easy as opening the door and expecting them to fly free without a concern in the world. Deep psychological problems are to be expected from such situations.Is there anyone here suggesting otherwise?
The point I was making was that it's not just as easy as opening the door and expecting them to fly free without a concern in the world. Deep psychological problems are to be expected from such situations.
They had health problems due to never seeing daylight and panic attacks in normal rooms due to living in a small space. The boy has difficulties walking as the ceiling in the cellar was too low. Then they have the problem that their grandfather fathered them, none of them got healthcare and they were there when their mother was raped and when she gave birth. There's so much to deal with that I doubt they'll ever be able to live normal lives; better, but not normal.What’s normal and who is the arbiter on normal?
What’s normal and who is the arbiter on normal?
It’s very easy to say what is not normal, less easy to describe “normal” imo.
Looking at the way those children lived and what they were subjected to I think we can say this is NOT normal.
It is normal to have intimate relationships with people other than family, to go to school, to play outside if health permits.. does that sound normal?
It’s very easy to say what is not normal, less easy to describe “normal” imo.If you easily determine what's 'not normal', then isn't 'normal' everything else?
If you easily determine what's 'not normal', then isn't 'normal' everything else?Describe what is “a normal life” then.
Describe what is “a normal life” then.
Most children get to go outside, to mix with their peers and to attend school.What about home educated kids? Are they not leading a “normal life”? Explain why you can’t lead a “normal life” after experiencing trauma or abuse. What is “normal” anyway?
Describe what is “a normal life” then.Everything not described as 'not normal'.
Everything not described as 'not normal'.
And " not normal" differs according to individual beliefs.But VS stated that 'It’s very easy to say what is not normal'.
And cultures.
Everything not described as 'not normal'.So you can only describe "normal" by identifying what is "not normal". Thanks for proving my point. NEXT!
So you can only describe "normal" by identifying what is "not normal". Thanks for proving my point. NEXT!Hehe. NEXT! Like it. Sounds like some professional shouting for his next customer.
What about home educated kids? Are they not leading a “normal life”? Explain why you can’t lead a “normal life” after experiencing trauma or abuse. What is “normal” anyway?
Hehe. NEXT! Like it. Sounds like some professional shouting for his next customer.
You stated that it’s very easy to say what is not normal, not me. Ergo, everything else is normal by default isn't it?
The determination of what is 'normal' is not solely dependent upon identification of 'not normal', but, as I pointed out, and I understand why I have to simplify the logic for you, if you have already done that exercise of determining 'not normal', given it's apparent simplicity according to your assertion, then it is a similarly simple exercise to categorise the remainder - which is default normal according to your definition and determination.
I'm surprised you're unable to grasp what normal is. Has your much relied upon common sense deserted you?You earlier claimed that individuals that had suffered terrible abuse in their earlier life would not be able to lead a normal life. What do you mean by that exactly? What is normal in those circumstances? I mean, did survivors of the holocaust, or survivors of attempted murder, rape or other serious crimes go on to lead abnormal lives after the trauma? Why is "normal" outwith their grasp?
It's the opportunity to choose to do those daft things that's normal. The Fritzi's had no choice in how they lived.
With the Judicial Police and Scotland Yard on the case and all the indications pointing to very serious investigation of predominately male strangers ... is there a huge elephant in the room trumpeting 'abduction ~ by persons unknown.'
Madeleine being found would surely raise a lot of questions requiring answers from all those who have worked tirelessly over the years to have their preferred option of her death recognised as the only game in town.
In my opinion no-one knows what either the PJ or OG are doing. Neither of them afaik has claimed to be searching for Madeleine McCann, despite the newspaper headlines claiming that OG are being given funds to 'continue the search'.1) No one in their right minds prefers for their daughter to have been abducted - wrong choice of words
Only OG have claimed that the child was abducted. In that they are following the claim made by her parents immediately her disappearance was made known. The parents and others have worked tirelessly over the years to have their preferred option of abduction recognised as the only possible explanation. The parents are the ones who have taken legal action against anyone who suggested there could be another explanation. They and others have attacked those who have questioned their preferred explanation, suggesting that they are morally reprehensible in some way.
When Madeleine is found what will we all do? I presume the question means found alive. Well, I might cry with happiness and turn to religion. What will those who have spent 13 years pointing their accusatory fingers at her parents do? Rejoice? Admit they were wrong? Apologise? Or just carry on blaming her parents anyway? I know what my money’s on.
When Madeleine is found what will we all do? I presume the question means found alive. Well, I might cry with happiness and turn to religion. What will those who have spent 13 years pointing their accusatory fingers at her parents do? Rejoice? Admit they were wrong? Apologise? Or just carry on blaming her parents anyway? I know what my money’s on.There's every chance I'd ruminate on it, in whichever manner she is found, and point my particularly withered, judgemental, accusatory finger at the next unwitting victim of my anonymous, unrelenting, totally erroneous ire.
Do you believe that Madeleine being found alive would mitigate the blame thrust upon her parents?Erm, well let’s see...yes. You see, it would mean there was no falling off the sofa and bleeding to death, no hiding the body in a bin, no fraudulent fund, etc, instead there would be an abductor who had deprived a child of her loving family for thr last 13 years. Obviously some would see the abductor as some sort of hero, but that’s because IMO they’re a bit unbalanced.
Do you believe that Madeleine being found alive would mitigate the blame thrust upon her parents?
It would make all the nastiness directed at the parents by those who believe amarals theory look more than s bit dilly...and nobody wants to 'look a bit silly'. Is that it?
...and nobody wants to 'look a bit silly'. Is that it?
Breaking News: A Croyden man was made to look a bit sill today, when it transpired that he was wrong on the internet.
From what I can see of some posts on here some posters are quite comfortable looking s bit silly..Worst case these deluded individuals feel 'what you're not allowed to say'. I'm pretty sure that most wouldn't give a rat's ass.
See a bit silly as a euphemism as I'm not allowed to say what I really think
It's Croydon by the way
Worst case these deluded individuals feel 'what you're not allowed to say'. I'm pretty sure that most wouldn't give a rat's ass.
....by the way, you're not allowed to correct spelling or grammar, remember. Or does that only apply to sceptics?
It's fin bi mee...soz an all datYou make an interesting point. If her remains are found, then the 'supporters' wouldn't feel 'a bit silly', or 'a total twit', but more likely deep, deep mortal shame, enveloping regret and a gnawing, crushing feeling of having been duped in to almost aiding and abetting the ruse. In my opinion. While we're doing the arl sweeping statement / labelling thing.
I said they would feel more than a bit silly...not a bit silly..
I think they would look total twits (sic)
You make an interesting point. If her remains are found, then the 'supporters' wouldn't feel 'a bit silly', or 'a total twit', but more likely deep, deep mortal shame, enveloping regret and a gnawing, crushing feeling of having been duped in to almost aiding and abetting the ruse. In my opinion. While we're doing the arl sweeping statement / labelling thing.Why would we? I believe Madeleine is very likely dead, killed on or shortly after 3rd May 2007. So why would I feel shame if her body was discovered?
You make an interesting point. If her remains are found, then the 'supporters' wouldn't feel 'a bit silly', or 'a total twit', but more likely deep, deep mortal shame, enveloping regret and a gnawing, crushing feeling of having been duped in to almost aiding and abetting the ruse. In my opinion. While we're doing the arl sweeping statement / labelling thing.
If Maddie is found alive and tells of her harrowing life to date... the supporters should feel a twinge of guilt because they supported people who, by their poor parenting skills, made this happen.
It would also be interesting if she claimed she left to find her parents... All those posts claiming someone jemmied the shutter and window open, not forgetting the whooshing curtains to steal her...
People really don’t like to be shown up as wrong, especially if they’ve invested years and years in telling people om the internet that they are right and that Madeleine’s parents covered up her death. Therefore if Madeleine turned up alive these people would undoubtedly feel very foolish, go silent for a few days and then re-emerge with their own unique twist on developments which would have been devised to help them save face. Seen it happen many times before throughout this case at various stages.
I think it is all geared up already and the contingency plans are already shaping up to be immediately put in place for the eventuality that Madeleine is found.Can't see any lies there. Have you contacted the blogger in question? No, of course not.
There are places where the truth doesn't matter ... never did matter ... and for the ringmasters of the opinion shaping internet blogs and terrestrial TV ... it never will matter because it seems they have a story to tell and the truth is never going to get in the way of that.
Incredibly the lies were still being punted in 2019 on main stream CMTV Portuguese television ... not as mistakes or misunderstandings but unashamedly as "imprecision" ...
- Amaral is still punting his theory of sedation
- the manipulation of public opinion with the constant slant favouring Madeleine's parents guilt is promoted
- Operation Grange started in 2010
- madeleine had been written recently (to atone for guilt?)
- that the dogs arrived only after Madeleine's parents had left Portugal
- there was cadaver odour in Madeleine's bedroom
- replaying the video images of the dogs with subliminal repeated interjection of "cadaver" just in case the audience weren't getting the message
According to this blogger it seems there is no intent to mislead but that the 'inaccuracies' are due to 'the erosion of time.'
If Madeleine was to be found tomorrow ... and I rather think that going by this propaganda going out in 2019 there are those in Portugal who think it is a real possibility that she will be found or if not, what happened to her might be discovered.
If not ... why give a public TV platform to continue promoting and condoning fallacies some trivial and some not so.
Can't see any lies there. Have you contacted the blogger in question? No, of course not.
The lie is the stating as a fact that there was cadaver odour in the bedroomHow do you know it's a lie? It could be true, or it could be a mistake too.
How do you know it's a lie? It could be true, or it could be a mistake too.
You think it's a lie.
It's a lie to state it is a fact...it is not a fact..do you understand that?They think it's a fact. So it's not a lie.
They think it's a fact. SO it's not a lie.
You've stated that their statement is a lie. That's an opinion, not a fact, but you didn't lie.
They think it's a fact. So it's not a lie.
You've stated that their statement is a lie. That's an opinion, not a fact, but you didn't lie.
They are promoting lies..they might not realise it but they are..Where are the lies?
Where are the lies?
It's been explained to youYou were wrong. They perceive them as facts; they might be, they might not be. It might be an error.
They are promoting lies..they might not realise it but they are..
There are very few truths being promoted in this case in my opinion, particularly by the UK media.
You were wrong. They perceive them as facts; they might be, they might not be. It might be an error.
More untruths promoted by amaral and his team , CMOMM and some sceptics...from what I can see
Do they have the same reach as the UK media?Amaral certainly had a similar reach in Portugal..there's nothing in the UK media that compares with the lies from Portugal..imo
There are very few truths being promoted in this case in my opinion, particularly by the UK media.
Do they have the same reach as the UK media?
Do they have the same reach as the UK media?I wouldn't have thought so.
More untruths promoted by amaral and his team , CMOMM and some sceptics...from what I can see
The truth being Madeleine McCann remains missing in as yet explained circumstances,differences of opinions on how? is lies?Stating an opinion is not lies...but pretending your opinion is fact is lies...
Stating an opinion is not lies...but pretending your opinion is fact is lies...
So, when someone has a theory, like Amaral and the PJ, this is lies? and The McCanns theory of abduction is not lies?
The McCanns version of account under scrutiny certainly shows up interesting questions.
They think it's a fact. So it's not a lie.It’s deliberate misinformation or propaganda if you prefer.
You've stated that their statement is a lie. That's an opinion, not a fact, but you didn't lie.
You were wrong. They perceive them as facts; they might be, they might not be. It might be an error.The earth is flat. Truth or lie?
The earth is flat. Truth or lie?
The McCanns are going to have a showdown with Amaral at the ECHR. Truth or lie?
Kate and Gerry, both 49, have lodged an appeal with the European Court of Human Rights. They now wait for the date of their Strasbourg showdown with Amaral to be confirmed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4867778/Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-appeal-European-Court.html
The McCanns are going to have a showdown with Amaral at the ECHR. Truth or lie?Lie, most likely. And your point is?
Kate and Gerry, both 49, have lodged an appeal with the European Court of Human Rights. They now wait for the date of their Strasbourg showdown with Amaral to be confirmed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4867778/Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-appeal-European-Court.html
Madeleine McCann's parents are appealing to the European Court of Human Rights in attempt to silence the Portuguese ex-police chief who claimed their daughter is dead and they are responsible.
thats true
No it's not.
No it's not.
I don't understand what has come over you. You were really half nice a year ago, and at least reasonable.
Thank you for the backhanded compliment, which, of course, is off topic.
Thank you for the backhanded compliment, which, of course, is off topic.
lol. "I really liked you, despite the fact that we didn't agree. And now I am disappointed. The loss is only mine."
Thank god it was you who caused the disappointment - I have always been the hat ted one- giggles.
It would be a nice ending to a story if Maddie was found alive and well and looking forward to getting back to her loving family. However, I don't see that happening. If she wrote a book, throwing her anger at her parents, well deserved of course, how would supporters feel- I wonder. We just don't have a thread to discuss Madeleine on this forum, just her parents.
It is as if Madeleine is a by product of Kate n Gerry's feelings.
lol. "I really liked you, despite the fact that we didn't agree. And now I am disappointed. The loss is only mine."
Thank god it was you who caused the disappointment - I have always been the hat ted one- giggles.
It would be a nice ending to a story if Maddie was found alive and well and looking forward to getting back to her loving family. However, I don't see that happening. If she wrote a book, throwing her anger at her parents, well deserved of course, how would supporters feel- I wonder. We just don't have a thread to discuss Madeleine on this forum, just her parents.
It is as if Madeleine is a by product of Kate n Gerry's feelings.
Glad to oblige. @)(++(*
I think the thread title is over optimistic, shouldn't it say if?
lol. "I really liked you, despite the fact that we didn't agree. And now I am disappointed. The loss is only mine."I would be happy even if Madeleine sued her parents and married Amaral. She would still be alive and it would be proven that years spent accusing the parents of disposing her body were years wasted by all the sceptics I’ve ever debated with.
Thank god it was you who caused the disappointment - I have always been the hat ted one- giggles.
It would be a nice ending to a story if Maddie was found alive and well and looking forward to getting back to her loving family. However, I don't see that happening. If she wrote a book, throwing her anger at her parents, well deserved of course, how would supporters feel- I wonder. We just don't have a thread to discuss Madeleine on this forum, just her parents.
It is as if Madeleine is a by product of Kate n Gerry's feelings.
Oh Dear. How very awful you are. But we don't have much of a choice on this Forum.
Is there ANY chance you can stick to the rules! calling me awful is name calling and John said... as well its all shite anyway.Barry?
Barry and General get watched and moderated for nothing other than they are not McCann luvvies/supporters.
Poor Maddie- what would she think if she could read this forum Thread...
lol. "I really liked you, despite the fact that we didn't agree. And now I am disappointed. The loss is only mine."
Thank god it was you who caused the disappointment - I have always been the hat ted one- giggles.
It would be a nice ending to a story if Maddie was found alive and well and looking forward to getting back to her loving family. However, I don't see that happening. If she wrote a book, throwing her anger at her parents, well deserved of course, how would supporters feel- I wonder. We just don't have a thread to discuss Madeleine on this forum, just her parents.
It is as if Madeleine is a by product of Kate n Gerry's feelings.
Barry?
This thread is all about Madeleine.
In my opinion your post reveals that you are the one who has the fixation on her parents.
I can think of absolutely no-one whose first thought on hearing that Madeleine had been found alive and well would suggest that the outcome you appear to be salivating over would ever occur.
I think it is far more likely that in the event of Madeleine finding her identity she will be be appalled that there were people who spent so many years of her life promoting the notion that she was dead and who have the impudence to imagine that she shares their bigotry to the extent it would even cross her mind to act as you suggest.
This thread is all about Madeleine.
In my opinion your post reveals that you are the one who has the fixation on her parents.
I can think of absolutely no-one whose first thought on hearing that Madeleine had been found alive and well would suggest that the outcome you appear to be salivating over would ever occur.
I think it is far more likely that in the event of Madeleine finding her identity she will be be appalled that there were people who spent so many years of her life promoting the notion that she was dead and who have the impudence to imagine that she shares their bigotry to the extent it would even cross her mind to act as you suggest.
This thread is entitled 'When Madeleine is found'. The assumption being that she will be found. That is surely an assumption too far? No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate.
Yes it is..why else are they going to the ECHR
To find Maddie surely - don't say it's going to be about them
Does that apply to WS , whose tag line promotes his assumption and conclusion.
Do you think Amaral promoted his conclusions about Madeleine's fate?
Thats a bit silly...they won't find Maddie at the ECHR...it's to show amaral is wrong....which imo has clearly affected the search
Still, first priority then going after GA - now that is what's silly.
sillier still - how on earth are they going to prove GA wrong.
All the more reason to stick to the facts. The title of the thread suggests it's a fact that Madeleine will be found and that the only uncertainty is when that will happen. It isn't a fact that she will be found alive.
If someone libels you it's normal to take them to court...they don't have to prove amaral wrong. From what I've seen the ECHR will look at what evidence supports amarals claims to see if what he has said is reasonable...
This thread is entitled 'When Madeleine is found'. The assumption being that she will be found. That is surely an assumption too far? No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate.
Well, I cant see how the mccs are going to prove GA libeled them - or prove him wrong that they were involved.
All the more reason to stick to the facts. The title of the thread suggests it's a fact that Madeleine will be found and that the only uncertainty is when that will happen. It isn't a fact that she will be found alive.Excellent debating point.
Excellent debating point.When Madeleine is found V Madeleine won't be found alive.
My first response to that would be that the thread title does not adulterate facts. Quite clearly no reference is made to what her status will be when Madeleine is found ... nor is any time scale given.
The correct wording in my opinion is 'If Madeleine is found', regardless of her status. After all, she may never be found.
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I positively adore your sentence ... "No-one knows what happened on 3rd May 2007 and therefore in my opinion no-one should be promoting any conclusions about her fate."
That opinion has never really restricted your valuable input to a variety of previous threads based around certainties being expressed about her fate. Despite as you so succinctly point out ... no-one knows.
This thread is all about Madeleine.
In my opinion your post reveals that you are the one who has the fixation on her parents.
I can think of absolutely no-one whose first thought on hearing that Madeleine had been found alive and well would suggest that the outcome you appear to be salivating over would ever occur.
I think it is far more likely that in the event of Madeleine finding her identity she will be be appalled that there were people who spent so many years of her life promoting the notion that she was dead and who have the impudence to imagine that she shares their bigotry to the extent it would even cross her mind to act as you suggest.
I believe poster's here realise that it isn't a fact that she will be found alive.
Do you accept that Amarall had no right to promote his assumptions and conclusions as fact?
He has as much right to promote his theory as the McCanns promoted theirs. IMO.
I, on a personal level, do not chose to believe the parents drugged MBM and murdered her- I also don't believe she was abducted from the apartment as described by the parents.
This is only a belief. Both could have happened. I will stick to my I DON'T KNOW what happened.
He certainly doesn't have the right to promote his theory in the UK and from what I have read neither does he in Portugal. It will be decided by the ECHR
Until then, he has the right in many countries.
I don't think he does...his statements are libel per se..
You are just guessing
Amaral's book can be printed in any country where a publisher agrees to publish it. It hasn't even been proved libelous in Portugal.
As your opinion holds no weight- you may be under the wrong impression that being a mod it does- oh what a silly idea! I mean really!
My opinion about MBM being dead of alive is of no consequence- I simply don't know. But there is a fity fifty chance she is either dead OR alive! Based on that, fascinating indisputable fact, I expressed an opinion as to what supporters may make of any outcome, only because they highlighted the idea to start with.
I have no respect for the parents or the taps bunch due to the fact I believe they have and continue to; withhold certain facts which could have assisted in the search or for what happened to their daughter.
supporters opinion is that makes me a bad person. my response to that opinion. ^*&& (&^&
And it hasnt been proven not libellous. Why do you think no UK publisher would touch it...because its lbellous per se.
the ECHR will be the final arbiter for the countries who are party to the Declaartion of Human Rights
There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.
article 8 includes right to reputation...libel...stand corrected
Article 8 is not absolute, unlike some other human rights such as Article 3, the right to freedom from torture. The right to a private and family life must be balanced against other factors such as freedom of expression.So you now accept you were wrong and that the ECHR does rule on libel/right to reputation
So you now accept you were wrong and that the ECHR does rule on libel/right to reputation
Yes it does.
Quote from: G-Unit on March 07, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
There's no need to prove something isn't libelous, the onus is upon the complainant to prove it is. The ECHR doesn't rule on libel, it rules on human rights.
so I dont think im right....I am right
Are you gloating by any chance?
a little reminder of the action the McCanns took against Amaral/book.
The McCanns did not sue for libel. So the ECHR will not be able to rule on that.
Their claim was based on the book stopping people from searching for their daughter- they also were seeking compensation for themselves, their three children- even though one of them could have been dead.
The SC ruled that Amaral had freedom of expression to write the book, which was based on the theory discussed/believed by those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time. The McCanns failed to prove that Amarals book did cause the harm they claimed.
There was no question of compensation being offered to the parents as they had no evidence to back up their claims, and the babies were too young to know pain about an 'abducted daughter'.
I doubt if his theory was believed by all of those investigating MBM's disappearance at that time. He had a rant about what was wanted to be investigated which was abduction. Why do you think he was taken off the case. He says they only wanted to follow what the McCann's believed, which was abduction. I think it is ridiculous to imagine that the McCann's were dictating what the Police wanted to pursue.
The twins would have been missing their big sister there is no doubt about it, it must have made them sad not to see her and to think a bad man had taken her. Sean even said when he grew up he would help search for the man to took his sister. Don't underestimate what young children feel.
The McCanns did only want abduction to be the only investigation- they claimed via 'friends' on TV that no one was searching for their daughter only them all alone out searching? total lies ofcourse.
The story they gave was not believed due to the fact that there was no recorded gusts of wind which would blow doors shut, as a window was opened, and shutters were seen to be untouched. There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder! It was a sketchy story to be fair. They categorically denied that their daughter could have left the apartment by herself via the unlocked door- they also claim they were not there when she disappeared so how would they know? and then we have Kate with her 'I know what happened'
The children must have been terrified to be told a bad man came and took Maddie. I am sure Sean will be aware now that the parents went out eating and drinking every night and left them alone and defenceless- hence the opportunity for MBM to disappear.
I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found. So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open? I doubt that.
The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching, get it right.
The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four, pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again, closing the patio door behind her, opening the child gate at the top of the steps, turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.
How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May? You weren't there!!
The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions, so your 'the twins must have been terrified' is rubbish. They were told that someone had taken Madeleine, they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it. People know how to approach these things MTI better than you do.
I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left, that they love them and regret what they did.
He has as much right to promote his theory as the McCanns promoted theirs. IMO.
I, on a personal level, do not chose to believe the parents drugged MBM and murdered her- I also don't believe she was abducted from the apartment as described by the parents.
This is only a belief. Both could have happened. I will stick to my I DON'T KNOW what happened.
I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found. So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open? I doubt that.
You are assuming a great deal here- there are no witnesses to an open window- only Kate say so- the same Kate who knew she left a door unlocked in case her daughter needed to get to her
The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching, get it right.
Got it right- saw the news - watched the videos it is on many threads here So I don't need reminding
The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four, pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again, closing the patio door behind her, opening the child gate at the top of the steps, turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.
Really? but that is why they left the door unlocked how stupid of them not to take account of all that palaver their daughter would have to go through to get help- if the siblings woke up
How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May? You weren't there!!
I most certainly was not there, however the police were, they live in that country/town, so if they know it wasn;t windy well...
The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions, so your 'the twins must have been terrified' is rubbish. They were told that someone had taken Madeleine, they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it. People know how to approach these things MTI better than you do.
They were told a bad man had taken Madeleine, tough little cookies if they were not in the least bothered... unaffected? really? OK if the McCanns say so and you believe them-that is fine by me.
I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left, that they love them and regret what they did.
Your assurance has absolutely no credibility- you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or their intelligence levels.
I would say abduction too if I had found the window open, my child missing and not found. So in a similar situation you wouldn't think someone had come into the apartment and taken your child, even though a window in your child's bedroom that had always remained closed had been open? I doubt that.
You are assuming a great deal here- there are no witnesses to an open window- only Kate say so- the same Kate who knew she left a door unlocked in case her daughter needed to get to her
The McCann's said that it was quiet and it 'seemed' as though they were the only ones searching, get it right.
Got it right- saw the news - watched the videos it is on many threads here So I don't need reminding
The McCann's would know how their child would behave and I too cannot imagine a child of almost four, pulling the curtains back from the patio door and closing them again, closing the patio door behind her, opening the child gate at the top of the steps, turning around in the dark and closing it behind her then opening the gate at the bottom of the steps and closing that behind her too.
Really? but that is why they left the door unlocked how stupid of them not to take account of all that palaver their daughter would have to go through to get help- if the siblings woke up
How as it been proven it was not windy on the night of the 3rd of May? You weren't there!!
I most certainly was not there, however the police were, they live in that country/town, so if they know it wasn;t windy well...
The McCann's were given advice about how to answer the twins questions, so your 'the twins must have been terrified' is rubbish. They were told that someone had taken Madeleine, they knew it was wrong to take something that wasn't theirs and they accepted it. People know how to approach these things MTI better than you do.
They were told a bad man had taken Madeleine, tough little cookies if they were not in the least bothered... unaffected? really? OK if the McCanns say so and you believe them-that is fine by me.
I am sure that Sean has grown into an intelligent boy and would know that his parents didn't want anything to happen to them when they were left, that they love them and regret what they did.
Your assurance has absolutely no credibility- you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or their intelligence levels.
Can I have a quote from a Police Officer saying it wasn't windy on the night of the 3rd of May please.That's nice. Maybe decent parenting can be learned.
You say - you have no idea how the twins are feeling now or intelligence levels unquote. Neither do you, so your post saying the twins must have been terrified to hear a bad man had taken Madeleine can be taken with a pinch of salt. I do know that the McCann's have said the twins took the information in and were reassured that people were searching for their sister.
George Burke, from Liverpool, was driving home from nearby Lagos around 6am when he caught the two people in his car headlights. 'I couldn't see them clearly because it was dark and windy. They scurried down a side road and out of sight.'
So it was windy when this man saw this couple early on the morning of 4th of May.
It takes 1hr 45mins to walk there: the quickest route is by taxi. Any information as to how the couple witnessed near Lagos Marina managed not to inform but to excite innuendo and your opinion.
This couple could be anyone - including mccs IMO
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who said they walked
George Burke, from Liverpool, was driving home from nearby Lagos around 6am when he caught the two people in his car headlights. 'I couldn't see them clearly because it was dark and windy. They scurried down a side road and out of sight.'
So it was windy when this man saw this couple early on the morning of 4th of May.
Hi Miss Taken, if you don’t believe Madeleine was drugged/murdered by her parents’, and you don’t believe she was abducted, either — what do you think happened to her?
How did she just vanish?
What makes you think your post has any credibility...from a poster who is impressed by a quack who claims to be able to see into the future...what do you think that says for your credibility. Peerhaps you should find her and ask her what happened to Maddie
I think its a totally daft idea to beleive people can fortel the future as you have claimed. To me it only proves how gullible some people are. Remember you claimed this woman fortold one of your sisters going to australia and one to north america.
You want to prove that didn't happen- go ahead. The old lady died many years ago I tried to find her.
My mum got a result- what you say makes no difference to that outcome.
Allegedly. He never came forward to tell the investigation what he saw.
I think its a totally daft idea to beleive people can fortel the future as you have claimed. To me it only proves how gullible some people are. Remember you claimed this woman fortold one of your sisters going to australia and one to north america.
If these skills exist why has no one found maddie
I have explained many times-I do not know!!. My sister did move to Australia and my cousin was killed in a car accident in the USA years later.
Gullible? you mean like the McCanns version of an abduction? calling me gullible is of no consequence to this debate however, feel free to continue your ridicule of me- I couldn't care less. It says more about you than it does me.
You tell me how they got there ... it is after all your innuendo.
You tell me how they didn't - after all they were out early hours searching - weren't they
Who knows where they went or how far they went
Well actually Kizzy, it was revealed in their first interview that they didn't actually do any searching that night when no one was around as Kate tells the interviewer. Kate later claimed that in her book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76X53yfONY
FF to 13:15 for those who don't like to be reminded. and for those new to these interviews start at the begining... 8(0(*
i think you need to listen to it again...thats not at all what she says...you are totally misinformed like many others..
From the horses mouth a question was asked.
"did you as a mother did you sometimes think I just want to be out there ,just hope to go and just physically look as well"?
Reply: Kate long pause… I mean I did erm long pause we had been working really hard -the first 48 hours were incredibly difficult- we were almost non functioning
She went on to deflect -to tell about the loads of support blah blah
So what was the reply? she said she did think about it, but they had been working really hard and they were almost non functioning.
The answer should have been made clearer- is NO we didn't go out and search if we had I would have said Yes we did go out and search.
Which was a different story they told their 'family to tell the media' on that night they were' working really hard '
they were out searching on their own and the police were not doing anything.
if you listen she doesnt talk about searching on the morning of the 4th....shes talking about after that. To say they never searched isnt true....kate describes what happenend in her book. they searched when it was possible they might find a live maddie....I don't see why the would search after thatI do. How about an incalculable, all consuming maternal dread and fear, the likes of which none of us who hadn't experienced the same could never possibly begin to understand?
I do. How about an incalculable, all consuming maternal dread and fear, the likes of which none of us who hadn't experienced the same could never possibly begin to understand?
You do.....I don't. .....i don't see any reason why the should or would want to search after teh 3/4th. It was clear by then if they did find Maddie she would be dead......best left to othersWell that's patently untrue, as that clearly hasn't transpired. So at the very least they were wrong, so they should have taken a different course of action, one of which may have been continuing to search. Whether that would have made any difference, in the context of that time and space, is irrelevant. At that moment she is very much alive. They apparently still think she's alive.
Well that's patently untrue, as that clearly hasn't transpired. So at the very least they were wrong, so they should have taken a different course of action, one of which may have been continuing to search. Whether that would have made any difference, in the context of that time and space, is irrelevant. At that moment she is very much alive. They apparently still think she's alive.
Besides, the concept that 'she's probably dead now', is not a valid excuse to stop searching - not for a mother.
I dont think for a minute the mccanns think maddie is still alive.......thats another fallacy imo. afaiac they think she may be alive .....again I don't see anything unnatuaral in teh McCAnns not searching. its just another of the many sticks to beat them with imoIt's no fallacy, they keep saying it. So maybe they're lying?
It's no fallacy, they keep saying it. So maybe they're lying?
I don't care abut your collectivisms. It's no stick, for me, as an individual, it's an incongruence. What should 'searching' look like? I don't know, but I also don't think it looks like that first few days.
What's comparable? I dunno, try getting between a brown bear and her cubs.
it is a fallacy...we hear and read snippetts. From what ive heard they think its a possibility not a certainty"We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”
"We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”
McCann Facebook page May 2019
...pretty unequivocal.
sounds like a message of hope...is that the best you can doNooooo, there's loads of these apparent messages of hope.
"We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”So they simultaneously think she’s alive and know she’s dead then, as far as you’re concerned?
McCann Facebook page May 2019
...pretty unequivocal.
So they simultaneously think she’s alive and know she’s dead then, as far as you’re concerned?Ahh, good evening. Welcome to the discussion.
Ahh, good evening. Welcome to the discussion.It's you who has missed the point
You've, once again, palpably missed the point.
You never unravel the concept. Always reactionary.
Davel is supposing that the McCann's think their daughter is dead. I agree. But that's not what they're saying. So I supported my assertion with an example of their assertion that 'they're waiting for her'. So there's another incongruence there, in addition to the 'searching but not searching' one. Davel believes that us filthy sceptics are just using this concept as a device with which to pummel the McCann's. They're stating the opposite of what they know.
It's you who has missed the pointBut that's not what you said. You said '..i don't see any reason why the should or would want to search after teh 3/4th. It was clear by then if they did find Maddie she would be dead......best left to others'.
The McCann's don't know.. they are intelligent sensible people therefore they understand she is almost certainly dead but may be alive.....so they live in hope
But that's not what you said. You said '..i don't see any reason why the should or would want to search after teh 3/4th. It was clear by then if they did find Maddie she would be dead......best left to others'.You don't grasp context do you
So....these 'intelligent, sensible' people aren't searching because it was clear that 'she would be dead'.
Which part of that is the 'McCann's don't know'?
Ahh, good evening. Welcome to the discussion.And you don’t know how to use an apostrophe but I forgive you. You haven’t supported your assertion that the McCanns think their daughter is alive. You have supported the assertion that they live in hope for her return, they they don’t specify alive or dead and they don’t claim to believe she is alive in the quote you gave. See, I can grasp concepts.
You've, once again, palpably missed the point.
You never unravel the concept. Always reactionary.
Davel is supposing that the McCann's think their daughter is dead. I agree. But that's not what they're saying. So I supported my assertion with an example of their assertion that 'they're waiting for her'. So there's another incongruence there, in addition to the 'searching but not searching' one. Davel believes that us filthy sceptics are just using this concept as a device with which to pummel the McCann's. They're stating the opposite of what they know.
And you don’t know how to use an apostrophe but I forgive you. You haven’t supported your assertion that the McCanns think their daughter is alive. You have supported the assertion that they live in hope for her return, they they don’t specify alive or dead and they don’t claim to believe she is alive in the quote you gave. See, I can grasp concepts.They they do believe it.
They they do believe it.I see. You asked them then?
I see. You asked them then?You want more less ambiguous quotes, other than 'we're waiting for you'.
You want more less ambiguous quotes, other than 'we're waiting for you'.If you’re searching for someone by looking in bins, ditches, crevices in the rock, wasteland etc isn’t the likelihood that if you find who you are looking for that they will be dead? You think already deeply traumatised parents would actively seek out the opportunity to uncover the rotting corpse of their child or do you think they might prefer to leave thst to the authorities? As I understand it, as the days progressed the parents gained a tiny sliver of hope from the fact that Madeleine’s body was not found because it gave them the possibility that she may have been taken out of town and kept alive. How evil/stupid/deluded/insert insult of choice of them.
As I said, if Davel is correct, and apparently he always is, then they knew she was dead on the 4th.
But their stance has always been the opposite (apart from when Gerry had a cracking idea to have a world Maddie day to mark the one year anniversary of her disappearance, despite not knowing whether she would turn up the next morning).
I will concede, however, that this language is more circumspect: Mr Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry appreciate everything the authorities have done and are doing to get a resolution after all this time. It gives them hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to their daughter.'
If you’re searching for someone by looking in bins, ditches, crevices in the rock, wasteland etc isn’t the likelihood that if you find who you are looking for that they will be dead? You think already deeply traumatised parents would actively seek out the opportunity to uncover the rotting corpse of their child or do you think they might prefer to leave thst to the authorities? As I understand it, as the days progressed the parents gained a tiny sliver of hope from the fact that Madeleine’s body was not found because it gave them the possibility that she may have been taken out of town and kept alive. How evil/stupid/deluded/insert insult of choice of them.No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?
No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?
An insult....hmmmm.....let me see.......not so much of an insult.......incongruous.
No. Is that the only conceivable outcome, that she's dead now, so let's not look in bins? She may have been cowering in a corner; she may have been unconscious and incapacitated, but alive, in which case, time would have been of the essence. And is that a rational response, given that they castigated the response and search effort?Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.
An insult....hmmmm.....let me see.......not so much of an insult.......incongruous.
you need to read more carefully what I posted...you think I posted..In your opinion!
they didnt search because she was dead...
what I posted was...
they didnt search because if they found her she would be dead
if she was still alive she would have been spirited away and not still wandering around Luz
In your opinion!
Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.
This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.
So do you agree that they should stop searching because they're likely searching for a corpse?
you need to read more carefully what I posted...you think I posted..Those two statements mean the same thing, not sure you noticed. Both determine that the child is dead.
they didnt search because she was dead...
what I posted was...
they didnt search because if they found her she would be dead
if she was still alive she would have been spirited away and not still wandering around Luz
This was 12-36 hours later, not a number of days.I agree with not judging a parent for fearing that they might happen across their child dead. I don’t agree with judging parents in such a situation based on how people think they should have behaved. I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover. Should we get all judgey on her ass too?
So do you agree that they should stop searching because they're likely searching for a corpse?
I agree with not judging a parent for fearing that they might happen across their child dead. I don’t agree with judging parents in such a situation based on how people think they should have behaved. I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover. Should we get all judgey on her ass too?Go on then, cite please.
Those two statements mean the same thing, not sure you noticed. Both determine that the child is dead.
Yes I think it is by far the most likely outcome, that a young child missing after days would, if found in a ditch or a bin, be quite dead, it would certainly be the fear uppermost in the parents minds, and be quite a rational dread, not remotely incongruous as you claim.
Go on then, cite please.Cite for what? If I find whatever cite it is you request you won’t be interested anyway so what’s the point?
And I'm not really interested in the searching or lack of it, I'm interested in the incongruent messages.
Are you saying that after a day of your child being missing you wouldn’t be fearful that your child was dead and of finding her dead body?
I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.
The quicker I had my daughter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.
How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.
IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.
I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.
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The quicker I had my dau ghter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.
How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.
IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.
Cite for what? If I find whatever cite it is you request you won’t be interested anyway so what’s the point?
I think its an opinion of what you would do - speaking as a mother in those circumstances.
The quicker I had my daughter back in my arms the better - I wouldn't think of consequences.
How do you think you could sit there not knowing if she was in a ditch or a bin etc alive or dead.
IMO the only way that scenario would happen is if you knew - there was no point in looking for her.
I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.And if I spend hours of my life scouring the internet to find it, then what?
I understand that April Jones mother refused to search for her daughter as she feared what she might discover.
Are you saying that after a day of your child being missing you wouldn’t be fearful that your child was dead and of finding her dead body?
The hardest part for the parents is to sit and wait for news. In this country we have the Liaison officer who stays with the parents to help them cope, reassuring them and giving them information as and when they receive it. The McCann's didn't have this it must have been horrendous for them.
Neither April Jones mother or father went out to search, does that mean they knew she was dead? Of course not.What? You've definitely skipped some posts there kid.
What? You've definitely skipped some posts there kid.
As I previously said - I would want her in MY arms either way
Like when they were searching R M house I would have been outside that gate incase they found her.
I believe the majority of mothers would do the same - to have her back either way in your arms you would feel you had her back and was now safe the first person to be there her mother.
Then face the nightmare that would unfold - where life would never be the same again
Not just sit and wait for someone else to do that for you.
As you should understand ...everyone's different...simple
Yes well, best not make out what mccs did was - what other parents would do.
OK so you did say something - disregard last comment.
As far as I can remember didn't they refuse any help from liaison officers?
Why not..quite normal imo...it's you who is claiming to know what every other parent would do. I don't see any of their behaviour as abnormal
Yes well, best not make out what mccs did was - what other parents would do.
Did I say every - no
I just find it abnormal they sat around for news.
The Liaison officer didn't arrive on the night Madeleine disappeared, days later. No help with dealing with parents at the most crucial time IMO. You said the parents should have kept searching even when the Police had arrived.
Did I say every - no
I just find it abnormal they sat around for news.
As I previously said - I would want her in MY arms either wayWell that clearly means you are a very much better mother than Kate McCann - well done, you must feel so very pleased with yourself, and to know exactly how you would feel and behave in such a circumstance is truly exceptional.
Like when they were searching R M house I would have been outside that gate incase they found her.
I believe the majority of mothers would do the same - to have her back either way in your arms you would feel you had her back and was now safe the first person to be there her mother.
Then face the nightmare that would unfold - where life would never be the same again
Not just sit and wait for someone else to do that for you.
So are the other parents of missing children who sat around for news abnormal too?
You of course would have ran hysterically around the area all night wouldn't you? Probably be one of the parents who needs sedation.
I've come to the conclusion that if the McCann's carried on through the night searching, that would be wrong too. 'why didn't they stay in and wait for the Police, what are they hiding, still trying to hide Madeleine' Nothing they did would be enough for some.
No, I wouldn't have run around hysterically or needed sedation
I wouldn't have been punching and kicking walls either seems kmcc stayed in being hysterical and needed sedation
She was one of those - as you choose to call me.
I do though wish you would stop making assumptions about how you see everything happens.
Well that clearly means you are a very much better mother than Kate McCann - well done, you must feel so very pleased with yourself, and to know exactly how you would feel and behave in such a circumstance is truly exceptional.
And I find it abnormal you and others are so nasty towards them
You stop making assumptions that parents who wait for news are abnormal !!
Yes Kate did punch things out of frustration wanting to hurt herself for leaving Madeleine alone, understandable to me.
Thing is you don't know how you would react, thank god you haven't been in that situation.
Thanks 8((()*/I think she's a very good mother..made one error of judgement. Many parents make awful errors but get away with it
But IMO It doesn't take much to be a better mother than kmcc
Thanks 8((()*/Touché
But IMO It doesn't take much to be a better mother than kmcc
I think she's a very good mother..made one error of judgement. Many parents make awful errors but get away with it
They are the assumptions I am talking about - how do you know why she was punching walls
I could think of other reasons ut won't say - because we don't know but you assume you do.
But she isn't your mother is she - wonder if Maddie would say the same not that we will ever no imoYou don't make any sense...why is it important if shebis my mother...there are lots of awful parents..
Did you know that Sara Payne's husband Michael smashed his car up because he was haunted by the fact he wasn't there to protect his daughter Sarah? Same with Kate.
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You assume that Kate was a nasty mother, and knew Madeleine was dead that's why she didn't search. When in actual fact, other parents of missing children didn't search after the Police were involved, this is what you don't like, in your opinion you are right that the McCann's knew Madeleine was dead. Nothing is going to change your opinion on that so there's no point discussing anything with you.
You don't make any sense...why is it important if shebis my mother...there are lots of awful parents..
Driving with alcohol
Smoking around children..
Neglecting and not feeding children
All those poor children bin care being abused because their parents let them down
No, you have that right at least
The rest is you assuming again how I think.
As for the smashing up a car - it was you who said I would be one of those ropeunning around hysterical.
Make your mind up instead of IMO twisting things to suit you. L
So, when the Portuguese shelved the case, the McCann's got a huge petition out to get the Police to reopen the case, 'because 'they knew Madeleine was dead' they also spent huge amounts of money employing Private Detectives 'because they knew Madeleine was dead'. How ridiculous that sounds.
So, when the Portuguese shelved the case, the McCann's got a huge petition out to get the Police to reopen the case, 'because 'they knew Madeleine was dead' they also spent huge amounts of money employing Private Detectives 'because they knew Madeleine was dead'. How ridiculous that sounds.Davel believes the McCann's believed she was dead as they were scared to look for fear of finding her dead body.
Davel believes the McCann's believed she was dead as they were scared to look for fear of finding her dead body.Believed she MAY be dead
If you'd have read back as I had suggested, you'd have seen that.
Davel believes the McCann's believed she was dead as they were scared to look for fear of finding her dead body.
If you'd have read back as I had suggested, you'd have seen that.
Thanks 8((()*/Where would you pitch her compared to other bad mothers like Rosemary West, Karen Matthews, etc? You must be in a state on constant concern and worry about those poor abused twins of hers, have you considered staging an intervention?
But IMO It doesn't take much to be a better mother than kmcc
More semantics. How very boring this is.The truth is sometimes mundane.
Where would you pitch her compared to other bad mothers like Rosemary West, Karen Matthews, etc? You must be in a state on constant concern and worry about those poor abused twins of hers, have you considered staging an intervention?
The truth is sometimes mundane.
I don't know how you can even call RW or KM a mother even a bad one VS.
No not concerned about twins why would I be- they will make there own mind up if they have a good mother or not.
Whereas Maddie will never get the chance - to say how she felt after so badly being let down. imo
Not concerned about the twins?? Shame on you!! You believe they’re mother is guilty of child neglect at best and covering up a child’s death at worst, how come you aren’t worried sick about her other poor babies?
I don't know how you can even call RW or KM a mother even a bad one VS.
No not concerned about twins why would I be- they will make there own mind up if they have a good mother or not.
Whereas Maddie will never get the chance - to say how she felt after so badly being let down. imo
Davel believes the McCann's believed she was dead as they were scared to look for fear of finding her dead body.
If you'd have read back as I had suggested, you'd have seen that.
During the first search, I have no doubt that the McCann's feared someone would find Madeleine dead, having been taken by a Paedophile. They didn't find her and the McCann's then had every hope that she is still alive and presented a petition to have her case reopened.
I don't know how you can even call RW or KM a mother even a bad one VS.
No not concerned about twins why would I be- they will make there own mind up if they have a good mother or not.
Whereas Maddie will never get the chance - to say how she felt after so badly being let down. imo
During the first search, I have no doubt that the McCann's feared someone would find Madeleine dead, having been taken by a Paedophile. They didn't find her and the McCann's then had every hope that she is still alive and presented a petition to have her case reopened.Nope. If you look at the recent rhetoric coming from the hired mouth on a stick in response to additional funding, it's all about 'finding out what happened to her', as opposed to looking for an alive person.
Nope. If you look at the recent rhetoric coming from the hired mouth on a stick in response to additional funding, it's all about 'finding out what happened to her', as opposed to looking for an alive person.Mothers of missing children are quite pathetic, in the sense of “arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness”.
Besides, not physically looking for your missing child because you're scared of ANYTHING is pathetic.
How can you say the names RW and KM as if they are equal. RW was a ruthless sadistic murderer, KM made a terrible decision and will be haunted by it for the rest of her life. Madeleine was almost four it is obvious to me she had been looked after well up to then, everyone who met her said what a lovely little girl she was some credit to the McCanns there wouldn't you say?
Semantics are never the truth.Can you explain what you mean by that, please?
Can you explain what you mean by that, please?
No. Look it up.What Google "Semantics are never the truth"?
What Google "Semantics are never the truth"?
Not concerned about the twins?? Shame on you!! You believe they’re mother is guilty of child neglect at best and covering up a child’s death at worst, how come you aren’t worried sick about her other poor babies?
They are not babies though are they.They were 13 years ago, weren’t you deeply concerned then and throughout their younger years? What did you do to help protect them from the abuse and neglect?
They were 13 years ago, weren’t you deeply concerned then and throughout their younger years? What did you do to help protect them from the abuse and neglect?
That’s probably what social services said too “oh those babies will be fine, now the McCanns are in the public eye”.
@)(++(* you are funny VS do you think they would have come to harm - with the world watching
That’s probably what social services said too “oh those babies will be fine, now the McCanns are in the public eye”.
Oh - sounds you have been worried about them then.No, Imhave never been worried about them, but what amuses me are people like you who seem to believe they are neglectful child abusers who seem to have no interest whatsoever in the welfare of their remaining children. It”s almost as if you don’t really believe they are neglectful child abusers, not really.
Other wise you are not making sense
No, Imhave never been worried about them, but what amuses me are people like you who seem to believe they are neglectful child abusers who seem to have no interest whatsoever in the welfare of their remaining children. It”s almost as if you don’t really believe they are neglectful child abusers, not really.
When have I ever mentioned the welfare of the twins - what you have posted for some reason are just making it up
When have I ever mentioned the welfare of the twins - what you have posted for some reason are just making it upYou obviously didn’t understand my post. It’s the fact that you HAVEN’T shown any interest in the welfare of the twins that leads me to believe you can’t seriously believe the McCanns are child abusers and neglectors because if you really did believe that then the twins’ welfare would surely be a concern to you (that is, if you actively care about child welfare at all).
do you think Maddie may have been subject to sexual abuse prior to the holiday...that would explain you attitude
What - do you - my attitude is because I don't believe she was abducted
You keep safe and well too D.
MY sincere hopes for everyone else too to get through this
Nope. If you look at the recent rhetoric coming from the hired mouth on a stick in response to additional funding, it's all about 'finding out what happened to her', as opposed to looking for an alive person.
Besides, not physically looking for your missing child because you're scared of ANYTHING is pathetic.
What - do you - my attitude is because I don't believe she was abducted
You keep safe and well too D.
MY sincere hopes for everyone else too to get through this
They did search for Madeleine, they searched where she was known to go. They then waited for the Police. They went for interviews the following day. The Police took up the search which is what happens with all missing children. Fine for you to say that not searching because you are scared of what you might find is pathetic. So all parents of missing children who have felt like that are pathetic in your eyes. I doubt if you would say that if it was YOUR child that was missing.
The McCann's have always said there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead, they have every hope she is still alive.
In missing child cases where it is known what happened to the child and who the perpetrator is, the blameless parents have been subject to vile internet hate attacks while the lowlife child killers actually responsible are ignored to a large extent,That's an interesting premise. Have you got an example of this 'not bothering' with the perps, and vilification of the victims' family?
Don't bother with the instigators and the perpetrators of heinous crimes ... those who are the victims are easy meat and it is all their fault.
If it is discovered what happened to Madeleine in May 2007 it will never be the fault of the perpetrators as far as some are concerned. Even if the perpetrators are nailed without a shadow of a doubt in my opinion some will cling to the conspiracy theories ~ the cover-ups ~ or the friends in high places.
All very sad.
That's an interesting premise. Have you got an example of this 'not bothering' with the perps, and vilification of the victims' family?
Google Brenda Leyland for one...tweets likeI've got no idea about your 2nd point, as I never mentioned any of those things.
How long should the McCanns suffer....for the rest of their miserable lives
In missing child cases where it is known what happened to the child and who the perpetrator is, the blameless parents have been subject to vile internet hate attacks while the lowlife child killers actually responsible are ignored to a large extent,
Don't bother with the instigators and the perpetrators of heinous crimes ... those who are the victims are easy meat and it is all their fault.
If it is discovered what happened to Madeleine in May 2007 it will never be the fault of the perpetrators as far as some are concerned. Even if the perpetrators are nailed without a shadow of a doubt in my opinion some will cling to the conspiracy theories ~ the cover-ups ~ or the friends in high places.
All very sad.
Hello Ispywithmybigeye, welcome to the forum.
Do I have to believe in any theory? I have always, and will continue to claim I do not know what happened - I wasn't there. I do read many theories and some are more plausible than others.
I comment on the case on a forum and challenge many theories.
Google Brenda Leyland for one...tweets like
How long should the McCanns suffer....for the rest of their miserable lives
Thank you, Miss Taken
I don’t follow the McCann case but obviously remember it happening
The sounds a stupid question, and the swimming pool must have been checked to make sure Maddie hadn’t fallen into it, but did Kate first look there before running to the restaurant? Or did they all rush to the swimming pool after Kate alerted them?
I’m just going by what I’d have done and the first place I would have looked
The location of the swimming pool was closer to to where the diners were seated than it was to Kate. Who describes the location in her book as "the poolside Tapas restaurant."
I don't recall anyone specifically mentioning examining the water, despite Kate McCann telling her friends that the door was left unlocked to allow Madeleine to find her parents if needed. That would have involved her entering the Tapas complex and walking near the pool.
I don't recall anyone specifically mentioning examining the water, despite Kate McCann telling her friends that the door was left unlocked to allow Madeleine to find her parents if needed. That would have involved her entering the Tapas complex and walking near the pool.
That isn't quite what Kate McCann said. So yet more Semantics.What did she say exactly?
I am getting really fed up with this.
What did she say exactly?
We don't know whether Kate or others mentioned the water as there are no verbatim accounts. Kate was interviewed for quite a few hours so everything she said could not have possibly been included in her statement.
We don't know how or who decided what was to be put in the statements and what was left out.
What did she say exactly?
Please try not to be too silly. You can find it just as well as I could.I'm not sure the goading is required in response to a simple question.
I'm not sure the goading is required in response to a simple question.
Thousand dying worldwide countries economies going to hell in a hand cart ,its good too see Entente cordiale is alive and well on the McCann board.
I don't recall anyone specifically mentioning examining the water, despite Kate McCann telling her friends that the door was left unlocked to allow Madeleine to find her parents if needed. That would have involved her entering the Tapas complex and walking near the pool.
I'm not sure the goading is required in response to a simple question.
In my opinion your 'simple question' comes over loud and clear as a goad. If that was not your intention perhaps you should think more carefully about the content of your posts before posting them.Post murdered by a mod - removed.
Then you haven't read the PJ files. I recommend them to you.
Are you saying the pool water was examined?
Thousand dying worldwide countries economies going to hell in a hand cart ,its good too see Entente cordiale is alive and well on the McCann board.
What does the police report say about that?
Thousand dying worldwide countries economies going to hell in a hand cart ,its good too see Entente cordiale is alive and well on the McCann board.Perhaps it’s time to enact some virtual distancing.
I have no idea. As you are the one who seems to know something perhaps you could provide the link for me.
I asked the question ... "What does the police report say about that?" Does that suggest suggest "I know something?"
I do know the draining of the pool in Casa Lilliana is recorded in the PJ Files. Why do you think there is no record of the PJ carrying out that diligence or similar elsewhere from the 4th.
Do you think they forgot to look, or do you think they forgot to record that they looked?
It also springs to mind why all of this ... arising from giving information to a new poster to the case ... is of relevance to the topic of the thread.
I asked the question ... "What does the police report say about that?" Does that suggest suggest "I know something?"
I do know the draining of the pool in Casa Lilliana is recorded in the PJ Files. Why do you think there is no record of the PJ carrying out that diligence or similar elsewhere from the 4th.
Do you think they forgot to look, or do you think they forgot to record that they looked?
It also springs to mind why all of this ... arising from giving information to a new poster to the case ... is of relevance to the topic of the thread.
I think the new poster asked if Kate McCann or her friends checked the swimming pool immediately after discovering Madeleine was missing. Afaik none of them did.Did anyone give a detailed description of every single location they checked?
What does the police report say about that?That's a very similar question to the one I posed yesterday.
Did anyone give a detailed description of every single location they checked?
Indeed, AFAIK Gerry has never said where he 'checked'.Thanks for your guess, a very interesting contribution. Not.
If I had to guess I'd say Rui escola de primiara.
The answer is that Kate went part way into the Tapas complex and shouted. Six of the seven people at the table ran to her, then they all ran to 5A. They did not look in the pool.
On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching
Ricardo contracted his colleague by saying the two men searching at that location were David and Matt. Dianne Webster said David spoke to her when alone at the table. She said she did not see Gerry until she visited the apartment for the second time.
He refers to the movements of two men from said group, David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner. David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
Do you think the McCanns amy be behind this virus outbreak in order to take the spotlight of themselves....just a thought.Yes.
Ricardo contradicted his colleague by saying the two men searching at that location were David and Matt. Dianne Webster said David spoke to her when alone at the table. She said she did not see Gerry until she visited the apartment for the second time.
He refers to the movements of two men from said group, David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner. David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm
I wonder if Dianne saw them?
she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the apartment McCANN.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANNE_WEBSTER_11-MAY07.htm
Mind you, this search wasn't an immediate reaction and it wasn't aimed specifically at the pool. If Madeleine had gone to the Tapas and fallen into the water it would have probably been too late anyway.
so to those sceptics who calim the mccanns did not search this is more confirmation taht gerry did....thanksWho cares?
Do you think the McCanns amy be behind this virus outbreak in order to take the spotlight of themselves....just a thought.
Who cares?
The sceptics it seems...it's part of the evidence that implicates the McCanns
Pretend searching isn't really searching.
I agree..pretending to search is not searching..
Pretend abductions aren't really abductions either.
How many ventilators would £12 million buy?Why should you care?
How many ventilators would £12 million buy?
Why should you care?
Did I say I cared?Why bother mentioning it if you don’t care? Why not ask how many porno mags £12 m would buy? I’m sure you’d rather the money was spent on something really worthwhile!
Why bother mentioning it if you don’t care? Why not ask how many porno mags £12 m would buy? I’m sure you’d rather the money was spent on something really worthwhile!
Because Dave was waffling something about ventilators the other day.
Thats more than a bit rich from someone who waffles all day long. i happen to think ventilators are important...no problem with that. With the amount of money the govt has just found it makes the 12 mill look like small change
It's easier to find billions of pounds than any abductor in the McCann case.
The answer is that Kate went part way into the Tapas complex and shouted. Six of the seven people at the table ran to her, then they all ran to 5A. They did not look in the pool.
Because Dave was waffling something about ventilators the other day.I see! You were goading. Righto.
This part of the story has always fascinated me. Why did they a;ll run to 5a? why not to their pwn apartments to check their own children. 6 people checking a small apartment? AFTER being told by Kate she knew right away her daughter had been abducted. we here nothing of the details of those conversations which I assume took place.
Did Kate tell the tapas group? and when did she tell them MBM had been abducted because of the window-blowing curtains blah blah. Did she not tel them she knows she is missing because she checked the apartment if so, why did they all go to the apartment to 'look for her' if they knew she was abducted!
Friends and family back home told media that evening no one was looking for MBM AND the police were doing nothing They claimed the parents were out all on their own searching- which is a blatant lie.
So, as other people and the police had gathered to search the vicinity, which part did Kate and Gerry look that the searchers didn't look, and how did they know those places were not searched? bit of an anomaly.., In my opinion all made up like the jemmied shutters.
One of them was already up there, but no-one ran to her and asked if she saw or heard anything.
"this wasn’t in my original statement, Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment."Well, how did it get there in the first place then?
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