A Room With A View...

[John]

Moderation

I have this morning instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease. Posters who continue to flaunt the rules despite this warning will be subject to a ban without further notice.

[sadie]

A watcher didn't need to have direct sight of the walled walkway imo, Sadie; he/she only needed to watch the people crossing the car park to the exit or from the exit to the central access area. None of the Tapas 9 were residing in the western end of Block 5 & I'm not sure anyone else was either.
If you watch the first 15secs of this video you can see the balcony & potential view from it.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/exterior-shots-of-gerry-and-kate-mccann-departing-the-news-footage/487715646?adppopup=true

If one bears in mind that a walker with a purpose, say, of checking their children, will take the shortest route, cutting corners etc.  He/she will come into the car park absolutely at the eastern end of the drive in entrance before heading off  over the car park.  I am not at all sure that a watcher on the balcony /walkwa by 5J would be able to see any one going across the car parkbecause they may be out of sight due to the tower at the middle of the building hiding that parent.


It is difficult to be certain from GE.

Maybe next time SIL passes, he could eye it up from the eastern end of that drive in entrance, then we could be certain

Thank you SIL in anticipation.



ETA :  GE street scene confirms the visibility.

[faithlilly]

Do you ever read anything I write to help you?

Several times I have listed a number of feasible reasons for an abductor to deliberately open the window and shutters

-  Escape route
-  To hide the fact that entry and exit with Madeleine was via an unlocked front door, so OC Personnel involved.
-  To give instructions to the lifter and inspire confidence.
-  To pass things (drugs?) thru to the lifter
-  To confuse the PJ and family, so that the Golden Hours were lost looking for a wandering child rather than an abducted one.  Give impression that Madeleine decided to leave off her own volition and went via te window
-  To enable lifter to keep a better eye open for someone coming.

There were several more.


MODS:  Please could I suggest that if Mistaken (or any other poster) repeatedly repeats the same old questions, the ones designed IMO to deceive and time waste, then her post be deleted.  And she be penalized.   

Thank you.

Well the mods have had 24 hours now to consider your suggestion and I’m afraid it seems to be a no.

[misty]

So they would be only checking one side of the apartment block at a time?

Hypothetically, once it had been established that the parents always left & re-entered 5A by the rear patio door the main focus would have been the pattern of movements in the front car park. Over 3 nights it wouldn't have been too hard to work out that no babysitters were looking after the children & that the various families sat at a big table in the Tapas Bar. It's possible Rachel's presence in 5B on the Wednesday night prevented an intrusion that evening.
All IMO.

[misty]

If one bears in mind that a walker with a purpose, say, of checking their children, will take the shortest route, cutting corners etc.  He/she will come into the car park absolutely at the eastern end of the drive in entrance before heading off  over the car park.   I am not at all sure that a watcher on the balcony /walkwa by 5J would be able to see any one going across the car parkbecause they may be out of sight due to the tower at the middle of the building hiding that parent.


It is difficult to be certain from GE.

Maybe next time SIL passes, he could eye it up from the eastern end of that drive in entrance, then we could be certain

Thank you SIL in anticipation.

Run this video clip from 58sec & you will see a GNR dog handler being filmed entering 5A car park.
 https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-grounds-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701232

I have attached a screenshot of the point at which the balcony outside 5J is visible from ground level. IMO that area would have been a good potential observation point.

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[Robittybob1]

Run this video clip from 58sec & you will see a GNR dog handler being filmed entering 5A car park.
 https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-grounds-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701232

I have attached a screenshot of the point at which the balcony outside 5J is visible from ground level. IMO that area would have been a good potential observation point.

Did you see the man walking down the lane behind the apartments, 23 seconds into the video.  It would be a piece of cake for a fit man to leap over that fence into the yard of 5A.
Yes that would give good view of the car park.

[slartibartfast]

Do you ever read anything I write to help you?

Several times I have listed a number of feasible reasons for an abductor to deliberately open the window and shutters

-  Escape route
-  To hide the fact that entry and exit with Madeleine was via an unlocked front door, so OC Personnel involved.
-  To give instructions to the lifter and inspire confidence.
-  To pass things (drugs?) thru to the lifter
-  To confuse the PJ and family, so that the Golden Hours were lost looking for a wandering child rather than an abducted one.  Give impression that Madeleine decided to leave off her own volition and went via te window
-  To enable lifter to keep a better eye open for someone coming.

There were several more.


MODS:  Please could I suggest that if Mistaken (or anuy other poster) repeatedly repeats the same old questions designed IMO to deceive and time waste, then her post be deleted.  And she be penalized.   Thank you.

Be careful of what you wish for.

[sadie]

Run this video clip from 58sec & you will see a GNR dog handler being filmed entering 5A car park.
 https://www.gettyimages.pt/detail/v%C3%ADdeo/exterior-shots-of-police-searching-the-grounds-of-filme-de-not%C3%ADcias/649701232

I have attached a screenshot of the point at which the balcony outside 5J is visible from ground level. IMO that area would have been a good potential observation point.

You are absolutely correct, misty.  GE street scene confirms this

My apologies.


The trouble with GE 'birds eye' images are that they are not always shot from immediately above, but from an angle of possibly 70* at times.  One sees the one face of the building, but the opposite side of the building is hidden by the exaggerated roof position.  In this case the viewing point  on that balcony is deeply hidden, by the roof, whilst one can see 5J on the south face of the block completely.



No need for SIL to go and check, thanks.   The position is clear.  misty is correct; this is another good viewing point.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't suppose that you could come up with anything even remotely pertinent, could you?

It is pertinent.  it wasn't written for your approval.

 The relevence being the jemmied shutters claim was made- now the suppoters want to dismiss it as  some sort of accident of the tongue/ or wipe it from the story.  It is THE MAIN REASON Kate gives for bringing the abductor into her vision of what happened which she has claimed for over 12 years! Therefore, it is very pertinant.


 I respect you as a mod, as a poster not so much. As a person you seem ok to me.

  I come here to discuss the case with like minded people, your opinion is wasted on me, but feel free to get the attention as being someone of importance on here.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Well the mods have had 24 hours now to consider your suggestion and I’m afraid it seems to be a no.

   words just failed me... OMG

[misty]

Did you see the man walking down the lane behind the apartments, 23 seconds into the video.  It would be a piece of cake for a fit man to leap over that fence into the yard of 5A.
Yes that would give good view of the car park.

I did notice that too, Rob having previously had the impression the boundary wall was higher than it actually is. I thought it would be easier to go into 5B garden & climb over the wall from there.

[The General]

Did you see the man walking down the lane behind the apartments, 23 seconds into the video.  It would be a piece of cake for a fit man to leap over that fence into the yard of 5A.
Yes that would give good view of the car park.

The yard of 5a? At the bottom of the stairs? Where do you mean?

[Robittybob1]

It is pertinent.  it wasn't written for your approval.

 The relevence being the jemmied shutters claim was made- now the suppoters want to dismiss it as  some sort of accident of the tongue/ or wipe it from the story.  It is THE MAIN REASON Kate gives for bringing the abductor into her vision of what happened which she has claimed for over 12 years! Therefore, it is very pertinant.


 I respect you as a mod, as a poster not so much. As a person you seem ok to me.

  I come here to discuss the case with like minded people, your opinion is wasted on me, but feel free to get the attention as being someone of importance on here.

No sniping , goading or name calling.  That post just about breaks all three of the commandments.

[G-Unit]

No sniping , goading or name calling.  That post just about breaks all three of the commandments.

To be fair that post was written in answer to what (in my opinion) was an off-topic goading and insulting post.

[Mr Gray]

To be fair that post was written in answer to what (in my opinion) was an off-topic goading and insulting post.

This is why the sniping doesn't stop... Because posters think it's justified.... How about stopping and condemning all sniping whichever side it comes from... I really would like to see all mods Cross the party line and do this... It would lead to a better forum