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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on May 26, 2013, 03:29:47 PM
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It is very obvious that the reward which was offered for the safe return of Madeleine McCann and which was publicised in a blaze of publicity no longer exists. What incentive is there for anyone with crucial information as to her whereabouts to come forward any more? Do members think this is a backward step after 6 years or is there more to this than meets the eye? 8(0(* 8(0(*
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Very obvious, why?
Rewards are a two-edged sword. Any decent person with valuable information to impart, or even information believed, in good faith, to be valuable, ought not to need any incentive to share it with the appropriate authorities, beyond a (genuine) desire, either to see Madeleine finally re-united with her parents or (if there is bad news to impart) at least to give Kate and Gerry closure in knowing what has happened.
The problem with rewards is that it brings bounty-hunters crawling out of the wood work, not necessarily remotely interested in Madeleine's welfare or the McCanns' peace of mind.
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Do we know for sure that there is no longer a reward on offer ? ( Is there anything about it on the McCann's website ? )
Who offered the reward in the first place ... was it a newspaper ?
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Very obvious, why?
Rewards are a two-edged sword. Any decent person with valuable information to impart, or even information believed, in good faith, to be valuable, ought not to need any incentive to share it with the appropriate authorities, beyond a (genuine) desire, either to see Madeleine finally re-united with her parents or (if there is bad news to impart) at least to give Kate and Gerry closure in knowing what has happened.
The problem with rewards is that it brings bounty-hunters crawling out of the wood work, not necessarily remotely interested in Madeleine's welfare or the McCanns' peace of mind.
There's a whole chapter devoted to the pros and cons of rewards in the Family Survival Guide. Not as easy a decision to make as one might think.
The decision isn't always made by the family, either. Kind benefactors and even the media can offer a reward and you end up faced with a fait accompli.
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good OP:
That was then:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6649951.stm
are those 2.5 million stashed away in an account currently - does anyone know?
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-jk-rowling-121765
JK Rowling has offered £1,000,000 and given additional support to the search fund.
JK Rowling spent a period in Portugal, teaching in Porto
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
That's a bit harsh, I find.
We don't know exactly what the conditions were. There might still be a reward and they have simply been advised not to advertise it for whatever reason. Rewards might have been limited to a timeframe, for example.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-jk-rowling-121765
JK Rowling has offered £1,000,000 and given additional support to the search fund.
JK Rowling spent a period in Portugal, teaching in Porto
That's old new Sadie. Nobody know what is on offer today if anything because it is all being kept hush hush. Don't get me wrong peeps, I am quite prepared to be shown to be wrong but I have a feeling I am right. Has anyone else seen or heard any mention of a reward recently from the McCanns or any of their hangers on??
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
That's a bit harsh, I find.
We don't know exactly what the conditions were. There might still be a reward and they have simply been advised not to advertise it for whatever reason. Rewards might have been limited to a timeframe, for example.
What's the point in having a reward if nobody knows about it?? @)(++(*
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
That's a bit harsh, I find.
We don't know exactly what the conditions were. There might still be a reward and they have simply been advised not to advertise it for whatever reason. Rewards might have been limited to a timeframe, for example.
What is the point of having a reward on offer if it is never to be mentioned ?
If the McCanns have been advised that publicising a reward would he harmful in some way then why didn't they tell J K Rowling for instance ( thanks for that link sadie ) that whilst they were grateful for the offer they were not going to go down the reward route
I see no reason at all for the McCanns not to be clear about whether there is a reward on offer or not
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-jk-rowling-121765
JK Rowling has offered £1,000,000 and given additional support to the search fund.
JK Rowling spent a period in Portugal, teaching in Porto
That's old new Sadie. Nobody know what is on offer today if anything because it is all being kept hush hush. Don't get me wrong peeps, I am quite prepared to be shown to be wrong but I have a feeling I am right. Has anyone else seen or heard any mention of a reward recently from the McCanns or any of their hangers on??
No, which doesn't mean that one doesn't exist (nor that one still does). There may be specific reasons to shut up about it.
There's a whole chapter on the subject here:
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/when-your-child-goes-missing/
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
That's a bit harsh, I find.
We don't know exactly what the conditions were. There might still be a reward and they have simply been advised not to advertise it for whatever reason. Rewards might have been limited to a timeframe, for example.
What's the point in having a reward if nobody knows about it?? @)(++(*
For example, they might find that the flow of information is plentiful, and they might find that it is all supplied with bona fide intent.
If that is so, why would you want to risk muddying the waters with rogue information by plugging the reward?
It is unlikely to encourage more bona fide informants to come forward.
But the reward might still be there as an (unexpected) bonus for a supplier of bona fide information that (finally) leads to that vital breakthrough.
Perhaps it's simply that they see no need to plug the reward because the flow of information is plentiful without doing so.
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I think this is pivotal
If the BBC are to be believed, 2.5 million PST were in the coffers in May 07 for peeps to come forward with information that would lead to the safe return of Madeleine.
Where is that money now - had interest been accrued on this amount of money - where is that money now?
I am naive enough to believe that most people are decent and honest and would deliver relevant information to
'Team McCann' without hoping for a financial reward - but there are others who WOULD be prompted by financial incentive only.
So has the reward been pulled?
Has hope for the safe return of Madeleine been pulled?
I reckon this might be just the most relevant thread regarding Madeleine.
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I think this is pivotal
If the BBC are to be believed, 2.5 million PST were in the coffers in May 07 for peeps to come forward with information that would lead to the safe return of Madeleine.
Where is that money now - had interest been accrued on this amount of money - where is that money now?
I am naive enough to believe that most people are decent and honest and would deliver relevant information to
'Team McCann' without hoping for a financial reward - but there are others who WOULD be prompted by financial incentive only.
So has the reward been pulled?
Has hope for the safe return of Madeleine been pulled?
I reckon this might be just the most relevant thread regarding Madeleine.
There's a difference between pledges and donated cash...
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I think this is pivotal
If the BBC are to be believed, 2.5 million PST were in the coffers in May 07 for peeps to come forward with information that would lead to the safe return of Madeleine.
Where is that money now - had interest been accrued on this amount of money - where is that money now?
I am naive enough to believe that most people are decent and honest and would deliver relevant information to
'Team McCann' without hoping for a financial reward - but there are others who WOULD be prompted by financial incentive only.
So has the reward been pulled?
Has hope for the safe return of Madeleine been pulled?
I reckon this might be just the most relevant thread regarding Madeleine.
Where is that money now? Probably still in the bank accounts of the various benefactors who pledged to pay out in the event of someone coming forward with information leading to Madeleine's discovery.
Snap...
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Are there any angles left in this case which people haven't exploited in their determination to criticise the McCanns? >@@(*&)
It's a discussion forum - are you one of those posters who dictates what peeps talk about?
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I think this is pivotal
If the BBC are to be believed, 2.5 million PST were in the coffers in May 07 for peeps to come forward with information that would lead to the safe return of Madeleine.
Where is that money now - had interest been accrued on this amount of money - where is that money now?
I am naive enough to believe that most people are decent and honest and would deliver relevant information to
'Team McCann' without hoping for a financial reward - but there are others who WOULD be prompted by financial incentive only.
So has the reward been pulled?
Has hope for the safe return of Madeleine been pulled?
I reckon this might be just the most relevant thread regarding Madeleine.
Where is that money now? Probably still in the bank accounts of the various benefactors who pledged to pay out in the event of someone coming forward with information leading to Madeleine's discovery.
I think you are almost certainly right
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From missingmadeleine 8)--))
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t14495-jk-rowling-is-generous-but-not-to-the-mccanns-any-more
Interestingly she did not help write the book as most of us have heard but she gave guidance with publishing, so seems she is still around the case.
A very generous woman, JK Rowling also gave 50K to the Centre of Hope in the Philippines, part of the Visayan Forum Foundation - founded by former guerrilla turned human rights campaigner Cecilia Flores-Oebanda.
The charity have helped save up to 60,000 children and women from prostitution and exploitation.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/09/jk-rowling-donates-50k-to-centre-of-hope-for-child-slave-victims-86908-23048991/
Thank you missingmadeleine for that information
JK Rowling was living in Porto when the first abductee, Jorge, went missing in the Masserelos district of fairly central Porto. Maybe that shocked her and inspired her wishes to help? Something tells me that as such a generous woman, she would pay out, but no-one can be sure unless they actually know
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I don't believe the Mccanns themselves offered any reward money - but apparently admin on here are asking the Mccanns to explain things.
Quite right that they don't get a reply - I suggest that if people are concerned about the rewards then they write to the people that made the offers and report back.
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I don't believe the Mccanns themselves offered any reward money - but apparently admin on here are asking the Mccanns to explain things.
Quite right that they don't get a reply - I suggest that if people are concerned about the rewards then they write to the people that made the offers and report back.
Incorrect: Gerry and the PJ endorsed the reward money:
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It brings the total amount of money now being offered in the search to more than £2.5 million after another businessman offered £1 million earlier this week.
The new reward, which has been endorsed by the Portuguese police, was welcomed by Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann.
He said: “We are very happy and pleased with what you are doing.
“Anything that can be done to publicise that Madeleine is missing and help with the search is very welcome.”
The News of the World, which announced the reward and itself pledged £250,000 to the fund, said it was the biggest reward ever offered in a newspaper.
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http://metro.co.uk/2007/05/12/1-5m-reward-for-madeleine-return-345546/
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I don't believe the Mccanns themselves offered any reward money - but apparently admin on here are asking the Mccanns to explain things.
Quite right that they don't get a reply - I suggest that if people are concerned about the rewards then they write to the people that made the offers and report back.
Incorrect: Gerry and the PJ endorsed the reward money:
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It brings the total amount of money now being offered in the search to more than £2.5 million after another businessman offered £1 million earlier this week.
The new reward, which has been endorsed by the Portuguese police, was welcomed by Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann.
He said: “We are very happy and pleased with what you are doing.
“Anything that can be done to publicise that Madeleine is missing and help with the search is very welcome.”
The News of the World, which announced the reward and itself pledged £250,000 to the fund, said it was the biggest reward ever offered in a newspaper.
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http://metro.co.uk/2007/05/12/1-5m-reward-for-madeleine-return-345546/
endorsed is different to offering.
But you knew that.
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I don't believe the Mccanns themselves offered any reward money - but apparently admin on here are asking the Mccanns to explain things.
Quite right that they don't get a reply - I suggest that if people are concerned about the rewards then they write to the people that made the offers and report back.
Incorrect: Gerry and the PJ endorsed the reward money:
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It brings the total amount of money now being offered in the search to more than £2.5 million after another businessman offered £1 million earlier this week.
The new reward, which has been endorsed by the Portuguese police, was welcomed by Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann.
He said: “We are very happy and pleased with what you are doing.
“Anything that can be done to publicise that Madeleine is missing and help with the search is very welcome.”
The News of the World, which announced the reward and itself pledged £250,000 to the fund, said it was the biggest reward ever offered in a newspaper.
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http://metro.co.uk/2007/05/12/1-5m-reward-for-madeleine-return-345546/
That dates from less than two weeks after her disappearance...
ETA: in what way was amaraltheofficeboy's comment incorrect?
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But registrar, that doesn't say that the Mccanns have control of the money.
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
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But registrar, that doesn't say that the Mccanns have control of the money.
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
The £250k from the News of the World seems somewhat unlikely for a start...
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Angelo222
It is very obvious that the reward which was offered for the safe return of Madeleine McCann and which was publicised in a blaze of publicity no longer exists. What incentive is there for anyone with crucial information as to her whereabouts to come forward any more? Do members think this is a backward step after 6 years or is there more to this than meets the eye? 8(0(* 8(0(*
for some reason some people use this to have yet another go at the Mccanns.
They never offered a reward.
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
They could have been given advice (by lawyers and/ or by the police) not to highlight it (either the reward itself or the amount). NOTW can hardly stump up with £250k, can it?
None of us are in their situation and there are obviously going to be things that need to be kept quiet for one reason or another.
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
they never offered a reward - what is YOUR problem with that?
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
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Angelo asks "what incentive is there for anyone to come forward with information"? Well, imagine you knew where Madeleine McCann was and were responsible for her being found and reunited with her family. You'd be set up for life wouldn't you, if you chose to accept all the lucrative newspaper and media deals that would no doubt come flooding your way? That's assuming money was your primary motivation for revealing this vital information, which seems to be Angelo's suggestion.
Y-y-y-y-y-ES!
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
yeah they can't have needed the money for 6 years or so.
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
they never offered a reward - what is YOUR problem with that?
Exactly. The rewards were offered by others and may or may not still be available.
Icabod. If someone offered a reawrd to you in a similar position how would you care, 6 years on, to demand from them "Is it still available?". Not a very nice thing to ask a benefactor. Might upset them and make them withdraw - just because of that question.
Come on
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
I'd say it was an impertinent question when you realise that the reason for asking is simply to put the McCanns to the test, to see if their answer is wanting in some way or another as adjudged by the (usually) biased questioner.
Well I think the question is a fair and valid one ... who poses it, and what their motives might be for doing so is incidental to the substance of the question ( I should think supporters would welcome clarity on this issue too )
There is no reason for the McCanns not to be open and straightforward on this subject. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer ... and all that is required is a simple statement of fact
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
Cant really think that would be the case. Nah
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The question should be directed at the people who offered the rewards.
But of course a lot of people like to knock the Mccanns.
Why should the McCanns not be asked ?
It's not an inpertinent question is it ?
It is not something private or confidential, nor is it something they cannot be open about for legal or 'operational' reasons
They could just straightforwardly say whether there is a reward on offer or not
What is the problem with that ?
I'd say it was an impertinent question when you realise that the reason for asking is simply to put the McCanns to the test, to see if their answer is wanting in some way or another as adjudged by the (usually) biased questioner.
Well I think the question is a fair and valid one ... who poses it, and what their motives might be for doing so is incidental to the substance of the question ( I should think supporters would welcome clarity on this issue too )
There is no reason for the McCanns not to be open and straightforward on this subject. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer ... and all that is required is a simple statement of fact
yes you would think that. You have made it very obvious.
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I can think of a totally different reason, but it may not be appropriate to post it on an open forum.
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
That sounds like a blackmail attempt to me - similar to the one recently attempted on Kerry Needham.
Nonsense
The offer was: 2.5 million for the safe return of the child
A clear deal
the point of this thread is - is that deal still on the table or not?
and if not, why not?
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The Mccanns never offered a reward but they have to answer questions from [ censored word ]s.
And people ask why they are called [ censored word ]s.
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If it is not still on the table now, then it is the benefactors that you must address
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
That sounds like a blackmail attempt to me - similar to the one recently attempted on Kerry Needham.
Nonsense
The offer was: 2.5 million for the safe return of the child
A clear deal
the point of this thread is - is that deal still on the table or not?
and if not, why not?
Ask the people who offered the reward. Is that difficult for you to understand?
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
oh pretty pretend innocent - ask the people who offered the reward.
No-one here can answer questions for the Mccanns - much fun you have asking them.
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
changing my answer - it is a stupid question for the Mccanns - will you ever understand that?
They never offered a reward.
Try to deal with that in your mind.
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
raw nerve - hit?
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
raw nerve - hit?
pathetic
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it really is amazing that people ignore the post and say things like hitting a raw nerve.
It has been said for 6 years by the same people over and over again when a logical explanation has been given.
We only need a few tic tocks on this forum now for it to become the same as every other nonsense forum.
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It's an innocent enough question
why I wonder do certain parties get so het up about it?
People may have innocent questions, but the reality may - justifiably - need to be kept quiet for all sorts of reasons.
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
That sounds like a blackmail attempt to me - similar to the one recently attempted on Kerry Needham.
Nonsense
The offer was: 2.5 million for the safe return of the child
A clear deal
the point of this thread is - is that deal still on the table or not?
and if not, why not?
So the deal is - give me 2.5 million and I'll tell you where Madeleine is? That sounds awful like blackmail to me.
that's how capitalism works - darn sad - but fact
get over it
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We dont know if the Mccanns have control of the money. Do we?
If they don't, how foolish they would be if they confirmed the reward was still available ... and then the benefactor renagued.
In fact they might be liable to cough up themselves, which clearly they could not ..... as far as we are aware!
OK, so if I had credible intel tonight about where the child was located and called 'Team McCann' and said - '2.5 million and I personally take you to the girl' - and someone at the other end hangs up on me - because the 'reward' is a bit of a mistery?
Is that what it boils down to?
There either is a massive cash incentive to find the child - or there isn't.
I took that for the OP's intention
That sounds like a blackmail attempt to me - similar to the one recently attempted on Kerry Needham.
Nonsense
The offer was: 2.5 million for the safe return of the child
A clear deal
the point of this thread is - is that deal still on the table or not?
and if not, why not?
So the deal is - give me 2.5 million and I'll tell you where Madeleine is? That sounds awful like blackmail to me.
that's how capitalism works - darn sad - but fact
get over it
Not everyone is motivated by money. There are other values... empathy and community spirit, for example (whether it is with the families or the missing child).
As time goes on, some people may have suspicions, but are unwilling to come forward - perhaps in case they get accused as "accesories".
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousand others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
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Anyone who wants to know will have to ask the benefactors, wont they?
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousands others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
I see you have gone into stupid mode
Have you asked the people who offered the reward yet - or are you just going to go round in circles?
HINT - ask the people who offered the reward.
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It is very obvious that the reward which was offered for the safe return of Madeleine McCann and which was publicised in a blaze of publicity no longer exists. What incentive is there for anyone with crucial information as to her whereabouts to come forward any more? Do members think this is a backward step after 6 years or is there more to this than meets the eye? 8(0(* 8(0(*
The Mccanns never offered a reward..
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousands others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
I see you have gone into stupid mode
Have you asked the people who offered the reward yet - or are you just going to go round in circles?
HINT - ask the people who offered the reward.
The PJ and Gerry endorsed the reward money
do please get this into your skull
not that difficult
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The Mccanns never offered a reward.
I can not think of a more stupid thread,
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Exactly what do you mean "endorsed the reward money, registrar?"
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousands others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
I see you have gone into stupid mode
Have you asked the people who offered the reward yet - or are you just going to go round in circles?
HINT - ask the people who offered the reward.
The PJ and Gerry endorsed the reward money
do please get this into your skull
not that difficult
for you it is so difficult - the Mccanns never offered a reward - get your head around it.
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a thread that hammers the Mccanns and is a basic waste of time.
But of course some posters find it so exciting.
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a thread that hammers the Mccanns and is a basic waste of time.
But of course some posters find it so exciting.
You must do, you loiter the thread enough
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
That simply means in you're in it, Martha.
Or lying ....
I see the redoubtable registrar got in ahead of me ...
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousand others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
Anyone who knows where Madeleine McCann is but isn't telling unless paid a large sum of money is breaking the law.
kindly find that article of law in the Poruguese judicial code
and report back
thanks
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a thread that hammers the Mccanns and is a basic waste of time.
But of course some posters find it so exciting.
You must do, you loiter the thread enough
what a stupid typical comment - much like most you have made today - Oh they protest too much (nudge nudge what is the reason)
point to a valid point you have made today - no an opinion - a fact.
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a thread that hammers the Mccanns and is a basic waste of time.
But of course some posters find it so exciting.
You must do, you loiter the thread enough
what a stupid typical comment - much like most you have made today - Oh they protest too much (nudge nudge what is the reason)
point to a valid point you have made today - no an opinion - a fact.
NEXT
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a thread that hammers the Mccanns and is a basic waste of time.
But of course some posters find it so exciting.
You must do, you loiter the thread enough
what a stupid typical comment - much like most you have made today - Oh they protest too much (nudge nudge what is the reason)
point to a valid point you have made today - no an opinion - a fact.
NEXT
clever - not
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousand others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
Anyone who knows where Madeleine McCann is but isn't telling unless paid a large sum of money is breaking the law.
kindly find that article of law in the Poruguese judicial code
and report back
thanks
Use a bit of imagination.
That is a clear reference to the abductor!
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all very laudable
but why do you think Richard Branson pledged 1.5 million to the reward?
Because he is an astute business man and knows how the world (outside Polyanna land) works
As someone who has worked with Branson I would say it has everything to do with the fact that he is a decent bloke first and foremost.
You may have worked with him - even known him - I have no way of checking this
Branson has clear business acumen
the understanding that everyone and everything has a price
Whilst I am sure that you would gladly give any information relating to Madeleine
to the police or Team McCann - without expecting a financial reward
thousand others would not
that's how the cooky crumbles
and this thread is to explore whether that financial incentive is still in place
and if not, why not?
Anyone who knows where Madeleine McCann is but isn't telling unless paid a large sum of money is breaking the law.
kindly find that article of law in the Poruguese judicial code
and report back
thanks
Use a bit of imagination.
That is a clear reference to the abductor!
You need a wider net
the abductor(s) or people who know of them
BIG difference
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this whole thread is a laugh or a con - congratulations to angelo
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Fund raising
Madeleine's Fund
A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities. The objectives include helping the extended family with their expenses (to prevent abuse, payments can only be authorised by the independent members of the board who are not family members) and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children. The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch. Over £1,095,000 had been raised by 30 October 2007.
Legal costs funding
The trustees of Madeleine's Fund announced in September that the fund would not be used to pay the McCanns' legal costs. Initially, the McCanns considered setting up a separate appeal fund for legal expenses. However, Richard Branson created a fund for the McCann's legal expenses, including those of their current advisor, Michael Caplan QC, a solicitor and partner in the London firm of Kingsley Napley. Stephen Winyard came out in December as having contributed £100,000 to the McCanns' defence fund, which paid for DNA tests carried out on the Renault Scénic hire car used by the McCanns.He also revealed Brian Kennedy as another donor.
Rewards
Rewards offered totalled over £2.6 million including:
£1,500,000 (€2,200,000) including £250,000 by the News of the World, £250,000 by Sir Philip Green, £50,000 by Simon Cowell and £25,000 by Coleen McLoughlin. Other contributors include Sir Richard Branson, JK Rowling, and Bill Kenwright.
£1,000,000 (€1,470,000) by British businessman Stephen Winyard.
£100,000 (€147,000) by a colleague of Kate McCann.
€15,000 (£10,250) by Portuguese newspaper Record.
£10,000 (€14,700) by The Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_to_the_disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann
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Registrar, if you know who committed a crime but refuse to tell the police unless paid a large sum of money are you telling me that this is perfectly legal behaviour?
Martha, I am sure you're a good egg
But you seem to live in a fluffy dreamworld
Say, I knew exactly where Madeleine was right now - and my incentive for 'spilling' was money
Would I not wait for an offer to be on the table?
That's the entire point of the reward - is it not? - alas we don't know whether there is a reward in existence
That's what the thread/OP tried to explore - and got an awful lot of peeps hot under the collar
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That's what the thread/OP tried to explore
fools if you believe that
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Have you not noticed how the subject is not allowed in any interviews any more? It is strictly taboo and any approaches to Team McCann on the subject are being ignored?? Admin can confirm this!!!
Ferryman makes some good points but my response would be SO WHAT! So what if it brings out the bounty hunters for gods sake isn't that what is needed. The McCann way has failed, they are no closer to finding her dead or alive than they were 6 years ago. Could it be that they have lost sight of what the exercise is all about or was in the first place?? Is it still about finding Madeleine or is it all to do with their own consciences over their inability to properly care for three young children under the age of 4??
That's a bit harsh, I find.
We don't know exactly what the conditions were. There might still be a reward and they have simply been advised not to advertise it for whatever reason. Rewards might have been limited to a timeframe, for example.
What's the point in having a reward if nobody knows about it?? @)(++(*
It was advertised enough, for over 12 months.
Its got nothing to do with anyone else unless they have information. Its between the benefactors and who gives the information, that leads to Madeleine's abductor, being caught.
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That's what the thread/OP tried to explore
fools if you believe that
Oh, jolly hockey sticks - you're down to one liners
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That's what the thread/OP tried to explore
fools if you believe that
Oh, jolly hockey sticks - you're down to one liners
yes - it is all it needs
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Registrar, if you know who committed a crime but refuse to tell the police unless paid a large sum of money are you telling me that this is perfectly legal behaviour?
Martha, I am sure you're a good egg
But you seem to live in a fluffy dreamworld
Say, I knew exactly where Madeleine was right now - and my incentive for 'spilling' was money
Would I not wait for an offer to be on the table?
That's the entire point of the reward - is it not? - alas we don't know whether there is a reward in existence
That's what the thread/OP tried to explore - and got an awful lot of peeps hot under the collar
Well, you tell us, what you would do. ?>)()<
Keep your mouth shut, if the offer wasn't good enough?
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It has been claimed that the McCanns never offered a reward for the safe return of Madeleine.
This poster says differently.
(http://i.imgur.com/6voD6U8.png)
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http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/20-dec8/EMAIL-REWARD.htm
no one would ever get the reward if madeleine didnt turn up safe so there is no excuse to not advertise it
RE: Reward
From: Campaign - Find Madeleine (reply@findmadeleine.com)
Sent: 17 December 2008 00:12:21
To: pamalam (pamalam@hotmail.co.uk)
Dear Sir/Madam,
In answer to your questions:
As far as I know the rewards offered by the 'News Of The World'
and other benefactors are still available.
However, we have had varying advice about the possible benefits
and problems of rewards.
So after consulation, a decision was made not to push the rewards
on our website - although the situation is constantly being reviewed.
In the meantime, if anyone has any information that may help our
Investigation Team, they should contact:
Email investigation@findmadeleine.com
Tel +44 845 838 4699
Sandy Cameron
________________________________________
From: pamalam [pamalam@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: 12 December 2008 09:54
To: Campaign - Find Madeleine
Subject: Reward
Dear Sir/Madam
Could you answer 3 questions for me please?
[1] Why is the reward not shown on the official site?
[2] Is the reward no longer available?
[3] If it is no longer available what is the reason?
Many thanks
Pamalam
www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk<http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/> By Pamalam
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Here is another instance.
Giant Madeleine Poster Unveiled.
The parents of four-year-old Madeleine McCann have been to see a giant poster designed to publicise the appeal for their missing daughter.
The inflatable billboard, made in Glasgow, was unveiled on a beach at Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal, near to where she was taken on 3 May.
Gerry and Kate McCann thanked people who have been going to "absolutely extraordinary lengths" to help them.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42979000/jpg/_42979605_poster_bodypa.jpg)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6698215.stm
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The rewards were put up by various benefactors Admin. I very much doubt that the money was handed over to The Mccanns.
They advertised the rewards, yes, but they are in the hands of the benefactors if they should renege
As I said before, it would be mighty tricky going to the benefactors and demanding to know if the rewards are still there. Could cause conflict.
Anyone claiming the reward would need to approach the benefactor, imo ... and if they feel aggrieved go to the Mccanns afterwards
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Here is another instance.
Giant Madeleine Poster Unveiled.
The parents of four-year-old Madeleine McCann have been to see a giant poster designed to publicise the appeal for their missing daughter.
The inflatable billboard, made in Glasgow, was unveiled on a beach at Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal, near to where she was taken on 3 May.
Gerry and Kate McCann thanked people who have been going to "absolutely extraordinary lengths" to help them.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42979000/jpg/_42979605_poster_bodypa.jpg)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6698215.stm
This was created by the News Of The World who put up a large part of the reward money, not the McCanns.
You are missing the point, the McCanns gave the reward incentive their blessing at the time, they were happy to back it. It now appears that they are no longer promoting it.
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The McCanns stand in front of the giant REWARD poster which some would have us believe they didn't support.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00636/news-graphics-2007-_636598a.jpg)
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I dont see that Admin. I see a couple who were confident the money was there 6 years ago, but are not so sure now. And they prefer not to be so forward as to ask.
Could be, of course , that the benefactors put a time limitation on the rewards
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Admin, you claimed above that the McCanns were offering a reward. Do you accept that you were mistaken?
It says on the poster help find our Madeleine. So who's Madeleine is it if it isn't the McCanns?
(http://i.imgur.com/6voD6U8.png)
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It doesn't say they are giving the reward, Admin.
It wasn't their money to give, was it?
They merely advertised there was a reward. There may, or may not, be a reward now.
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It doesn't say they are giving the reward, Admin.
It wasn't their money to give, was it?
They merely advertised there was a reward. There may, or may not, be a reward now.
Nobody has claimed it was their money? They offered a reward on the basis of offers from benefactors. The title of the thread is "Has the reward money for the safe return of Madeleine McCann been dropped".
For all intents and purposes therefore nobody can claim any reward because it is no longer promoted.
The answer to the thread title therefore is YES. The reward has been dropped.
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Great, well that's settled it then.
No its not settled by any means. The Mccanns were all too happy to receive the help of offers of rewards from newspapers and others prior to suing them and Leveson. Is it not the case that those newpapers who were sued are now less than happy to have anythig to do with them and that includes a reward?
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Tbqh
It would have been better had The Mccanns sued much earlier. It would have stopped a great deal of the rubbish they had to put up with.
It is quite obvious to me that they preferred not to go down the suing path, but as everthing escalated, their hand was forced.
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Great, well that's settled it then.
No its not settled by any means. The Mccanns were all too happy to receive the help of offers of rewards from newspapers and others prior to suing them and Leveson. Is it not the case that those newpapers who were sued are now less than happy to have anythig to do with them and that includes a reward?
The McCanns did not sue any of the benefactors who put up reward money.
No, that's correct, they just sunk the boot into Murdoch at Leveson. Little wonder then that the McCanns receive little or no support from The Times or The Sun these days.
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Would you say this was unsupportive of the McCanns?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4941648/kate-mccann-plea-on-international-missing-childrens-day.html
Obviously what was supposed to be International Missing Children's day has been turned into yet another publicity stunt centred on Madeleine McCann. How many other children have been mentioned? What a missed opportunity...so sad.
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Would you say this was unsupportive of the McCanns?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4941648/kate-mccann-plea-on-international-missing-childrens-day.html
Obviously what was supposed to be International Missing Children's day has been turned into yet another publicity stunt centred on Madeleine McCann. How many other children have been mentioned? What a missed opportunity...so sad.
No mention of a reward for Maddie any more which sort of says it all. Seems the money is going to missing children now.
The question hasn't been answered however as to why the McCanns aren't promoting a reward. We have seen excuses posted in response to a question to their campaign team but little else. You would have thought that if they were serious about doing anything to find Maddie that they would be doing all and everything available to them and that includes offering a reward.
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Would you say this was unsupportive of the McCanns?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4941648/kate-mccann-plea-on-international-missing-childrens-day.html
Obviously what was supposed to be International Missing Children's day has been turned into yet another publicity stunt centred on Madeleine McCann. How many other children have been mentioned? What a missed opportunity...so sad.
No mention of a reward for Maddie any more which sort of says it all. Seems the money is going to missing children now.
The question hasn't been answered however as to why the McCanns aren't promoting a reward. We have seen excuses posted in response to a question to their campaign team but little else. You would have thought that if they were serious about doing anything to find Maddie that they would be doing all and everything available to them and that includes offering a reward.
If the benefactors have reneged and you aint got the dosh, you cant do it.
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Would you say this was unsupportive of the McCanns?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4941648/kate-mccann-plea-on-international-missing-childrens-day.html
Obviously what was supposed to be International Missing Children's day has been turned into yet another publicity stunt centred on Madeleine McCann. How many other children have been mentioned? What a missed opportunity...so sad.
No mention of a reward for Maddie any more which sort of says it all. Seems the money is going to missing children now.
The question hasn't been answered however as to why the McCanns aren't promoting a reward. We have seen excuses posted in response to a question to their campaign team but little else. You would have thought that if they were serious about doing anything to find Maddie that they would be doing all and everything available to them and that includes offering a reward.
If the benefactors have reneged and you aint got the dosh, you cant do it.
Are you suggesting Branson has withdrawn 1.5 million - pocket money to him?
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i am not suggesting anything registrar, just putting a possible scenario forward.
That's all.
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Very obvious, why?
Rewards are a two-edged sword. Any decent person with valuable information to impart, or even information believed, in good faith, to be valuable, ought not to need any incentive to share it with the appropriate authorities, beyond a (genuine) desire, either to see Madeleine finally re-united with her parents or (if there is bad news to impart) at least to give Kate and Gerry closure in knowing what has happened.
The problem with rewards is that it brings bounty-hunters crawling out of the wood work, not necessarily remotely interested in Madeleine's welfare or the McCanns' peace of mind.
There's a whole chapter devoted to the pros and cons of rewards in the Family Survival Guide. Not as easy a decision to make as one might think.
The decision isn't always made by the family, either. Kind benefactors and even the media can offer a reward and you end up faced with a fait accompli.
Going way back:
Carana, could you give us a synopsis of what that says, please?
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Marha beat me to it.
Ch. 6 - it starts on p. 71 in the scribd document.
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/61046626?access_key=key-9c0ayklygclzsdzq7bw
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Thank you.
It seems to be based on the precepts of American law, which may apply differently in Britain.
But I plucked out this:
Also, the desire for reward money could motivate an abductor to keep a child alive.
Clearly state the purpose of the offer. First decide what you want the reward to accomplish, then make sure that this purpose is clearly spelled out in the offer. For example, it is a good idea to make your child's safe return a written condition of the reward. The better the description of the reward's purpose, the less likely it is that you will have to argue later over whether someone complied with the terms of the offer.
Set a time limit for the reward. One of the goals of a reward is to generate immediate results in order to get your child back quickly. In the beginning, you may want to keep the time limit fairly short and tie it to a significant event, such as your child's birthday. The drama of such a countdown could generate substantial public interest. Avoid open-ended rewards that can result in liability many years later. You can always renew the reward for a longer period of time.
Don't know.
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That guide doesn't cover every situation - I don't think it's meant to.
Be careful in establishing the amount ofthe reward.
Don’t offer more money than you can afford to pay. Decide on the maximum amount of the reward in the first offer and stick to it because if you raise the amount later, people may wait for a more lucrative offer before calling in a lead
(...)
Be aware that monetary pledges are not as reliable as donations.
It is much easier to persuade people to pledge money toward areward than it is to get them to donate cash.Therefore, you can in theory raise much more money through pledges than you can through donations. The problem is that you cannot bes ure that a pledge will be honored when the time comes to pay outthe reward. If you use pledges, get the pledge in writing, pay attention to the expiration date of the pledge, and plan to spend a fair amount of time making sure your pledges are still legitimate. Pledges are not forever.
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In the Ylenia case, the police announced a reward for information leading to her whereabouts (CHF21k, €13k) a month after her disappearance. Seemingly it came from an unknown benefactor.
She was abducted on 31 July 2007 and the reward was announced late August.
Her remains were finally found by a member of the public in a forest mid-September 2007*, in an area that search teams had already checked. (The remains were dug up by wild animals.)
The guy who found her was a student who (I believe) accepted the reward, but stated that he was primarly motivated by a family tragedy of his own and had apparently spent a lot of his spare time searching for her.
* Correction: the date of the media articles showed 2010, which seems wrong.
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In the Ylenia case, the police announced a reward for information leading to her whereabouts (CHF21k, €13k) a month after her disappearance. Seemingly it came from an unknown benefactor.
She was abducted on 31 July 2007 and the reward was announced late August.
Her remains were finally found by a member of the public in a forest late June 2010, in an area that search teams had already checked. (The remains were dug up by wild animals.)
The guy who found her was a student who (I believe) accepted the reward, but stated that he was primarly motivated by a family tragedy of his own and had apparently spent a lot of his spare time searching for her.
Everyone's different of course but I don't think I'd be able to accept money in such circumstances unless to give back to the parents or to charity.
I amended my post as the date of the articles was almost certainly wrong. Her body was found mid- September 2007.
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In the Ylenia case, the police announced a reward for information leading to her whereabouts (CHF21k, €13k) a month after her disappearance. Seemingly it came from an unknown benefactor.
She was abducted on 31 July 2007 and the reward was announced late August.
Her remains were finally found by a member of the public in a forest late June 2010, in an area that search teams had already checked. (The remains were dug up by wild animals.)
The guy who found her was a student who (I believe) accepted the reward, but stated that he was primarly motivated by a family tragedy of his own and had apparently spent a lot of his spare time searching for her.
Everyone's different of course but I don't think I'd be able to accept money in such circumstances unless to give back to the parents or to charity.
I've no idea what he actually did with the money. Maybe he did give it away. He was a student, though, and may have needed it to pay his way through uni. He may have made a choice to search for her as opposed to taking a weekend job, for example.
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I go back to my original point. If the McCanns were deadly serious about getting their daughter back and considering everything they have attempted in the last 6 years has been an unmitigated flop they should be offering a substantial reward for any information. Martha is an apologist for everything McCann by the looks of it and to answer your question Martha I will ask you one. What if any of the original offers of money amounting to over £2.5m in the form of reward cash still exist? The News of the World has gone and I don't see Murdoch authorising The Sun to be making any offers any time soon after the balling out he received at Leveson.
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Angelo, call me an apologist if you wish, but I am with Martha
She, like me is an ardent pro, but that doesn't make us apologists for the Mccanns
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Angelo seems to think the McCanns aren't really that serious about finding Madeleine. This suggests to me that he believes they are malevolent characters, who don't really care about what happens to their children. Is this the case Angelo?
Perhaps he simply thinks they know what happened to her already.
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Angelo seems to think the McCanns aren't really that serious about finding Madeleine. This suggests to me that he believes they are malevolent characters, who don't really care about what happens to their children. Is this the case Angelo?
Perhaps he simply thinks they know what happened to her already.
Perhaps he could answer for himself? His responses to other issues concerning this case seem to indicate that this is not so, but we shan't know for certain unless or until he tells us himself.
Martha do you never get tired of being so adversarial all the time ?
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Angelo seems to think the McCanns aren't really that serious about finding Madeleine. This suggests to me that he believes they are malevolent characters, who don't really care about what happens to their children. Is this the case Angelo?
Don't get me wrong Martha I am sympathetic to the McCanns and what happened to them in 2007 but since then they have made some very bad decisions and engaged some sinister characters who have been exposed as charlatans and frauds in the end. Again, I don't blame them for being taken in by these people but I do question their reasoning sometimes for a couple who are undoubtedly of above average intelligence.
My point or my gripe with them is simple. Why if they are serious about finding Madeleine are they not doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to find her?? And that includes offering a reward for her return? You don't have to like the people you are dealing with but you have to deal with them all the same. Somebody somewhere and most likely more than one person know what happened to Madeleine. Unless you provide an incentive for these undesirables to come forward they will always remain in the shadows.
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Angelo, you insult me, then expect me to answer your question when you don't even have the good grace to answer mine? Forget it.
I always respond to posts when I can Martha. I cannot help it if I have a job to do which doesn't always allow me to post. Maybe you will do me the good grace and answer my question. What offers of reward money are currently available to Kate and Gerry McCann because from where I am standing I cannot see any post Leveson and post NOTW??
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There are many people with children or loved ones who are missing around the world. Undoubtedly the vast majority are very serious about finding them and are doing all they can to find them, however many (if not most) will not be in a position to offer a reward. Some, like in the case of Ben Needham, will have once had rewards attached but which have now lapsed. This does not (or should not!) cast aspersions on those people with missing loved ones, but for some reason aspersions ARE being cast on the McCanns for this very reason. I find that odd. You DO seem to be suggesting by what you have written that the McCanns are not seriously interested in finding their daughter which, if I were them, I would find quite hurtful and offensive.
We have already established that the McCanns did not put up the reward money in the first place, nor do we know if the various reward amounts pledged are still on offer. We have also established from expert guidelines published and linked to on this thread that rewards should not be open-ended, should be offered for a limited period and usually linked to a major publicity campaign and that even then they may not be met with the approval of the law enforcement agencies that have to deal with the resulting flood of information 99.9% of it usually from well-intentioned members of the public, bounty seekers, time-wasters and scammers.
Offering a reward CAN result in valuable information coming forward but to suggest that without some sort of cash incentive this crime can never be solved is quite mistaken in my view.
The McCanns are in the unique position of not needing any benefactor to provide a reward but still choose to not offer one. They are missing such a valuable opportunity because within the dross will be the genuine contact that they crave so much. By not offering a reward they are effectively abandoning Madeleine to her fate assuming of course that she is still alive.
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I note, nobody gives credit to Kate, for her fund raising for charity.
Missing people
Total raised£21,555.16 8@??)(
Gift Aid£4,099.05
Gerry also does charity fund raising.
Both could have added these funds to Madeleine's fund, I'm sure, but they didn't.
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I note, nobody gives credit to Kate, for her fund raising for charity.
Missing people
Total raised£21,555.16 8@??)(
Gift Aid£4,099.05
Gerry also does charity fund raising.
Both could have added these funds to Madeleine's fund, I'm sure, but they didn't.
Staggering, a magnificent effort and one, I'm sure, (almost) all of us will wholeheartedly applaud ....
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The McCanns are in the unique position of not needing any benefactor to provide a reward but still chose to not offer one. They are missing such a valuable opportunity because within the dross will be the genuine contact that they crave so much. By not offering a reward they are effectively abandoning Madeleine to her fate assuming of course that she is still alive.
Angelo,
Aside from any conditions placed on rewards at the time (or even changing circumstances in any benefactor's ability to pay), there can be all kinds of reasons why they may have been advised to play down a reward (even if one still exists).
The police themselves may have advised them to play this down, not just for Madeleine, but also in the light of the Shannon Matthews case, for example.
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Angelo seems to think the McCanns aren't really that serious about finding Madeleine. This suggests to me that he believes they are malevolent characters, who don't really care about what happens to their children. Is this the case Angelo?
Don't get me wrong Martha I am sympathetic to the McCanns and what happened to them in 2007 but since then they have made some very bad decisions and engaged some sinister characters who have been exposed as charlatans and frauds in the end. Again, I don't blame them for being taken in by these people but I do question their reasoning sometimes for a couple who are undoubtedly of above average intelligence.
My point or my gripe with them is simple. Why if they are serious about finding Madeleine are they not doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to find her?? And that includes offering a reward for her return? You don't have to like the people you are dealing with but you have to deal with them all the same. Somebody somewhere and most likely more than one person know what happened to Madeleine. Unless you provide an incentive for these undesirables to come forward they will always remain in the shadows.
I think the point you make is a common sense one
If someone out there 'knows something' then it is almost certain that are not your regular honest, upright citizen
If the crucial information is to come from seedy lowlife, then so be it ... if it gets Madeleine back who cares if the method used was to 'buy' information from someone who would not have helped unless there was money on offer
The McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a reward, given that it would only be paid in the event of Madeleine being found
Like you, I do not understand why they have not used that opportunity
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I note, nobody gives credit to Kate, for her fund raising for charity.
Missing people
Total raised£21,555.16 8@??)(
Gift Aid£4,099.05
Gerry also does charity fund raising.
Both could have added these funds to Madeleine's fund, I'm sure, but they didn't.
Staggering, a magnificent effort and one, I'm sure, (almost) all of us will wholeheartedly applaud ....
Jane Tanner, also for missing people.
Total raised£2,615.00
Gift Aid£397.00
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are people suggesting that the seedy lowlife people have only suddenly come upon relevant information and didn't have it years ago when the reward was publicised?
It possible I suppose but how likely?
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See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents. Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?
That's the problem you see. The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch. One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post. That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced. Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.
Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down? A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation. All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???
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I think the point you make is a common sense one
If someone out there 'knows something' then it is almost certain that are not your regular honest, upright citizen
If the crucial information is to come from seedy lowlife, then so be it ... if it gets Madeleine back who cares if the method used was to 'buy' information from someone who would not have helped unless there was money on offer
The McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a reward, given that it would only be paid in the event of Madeleine being found
Like you, I do not understand why they have not used that opportunity
Agreed Ica. I applaud their charity work but wtf...how is this helping to find their daughter?? If it was my daughter I would be out there in Portugal scouring every possible lead. Tracking every source and following every snippet of information until I either get her or find her body. What does Gerry McCann do? Goes back to work in a f..king hospital and leaves the search to a bunch of incompetents who aren't even in Portugal becasue they aren't even welcome there!!! What a f..king fiasco.
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are people suggesting that the seedy lowlife people have only suddenly come upon relevant information and didn't have it years ago when the reward was publicised?
It possible I suppose but how likely?
memories change as do attitudes over time. Allegiances also change within criminal groups so now is the right time to put a reward out there are see what gets hooked.
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I think the point you make is a common sense one
If someone out there 'knows something' then it is almost certain that are not your regular honest, upright citizen
If the crucial information is to come from seedy lowlife, then so be it ... if it gets Madeleine back who cares if the method used was to 'buy' information from someone who would not have helped unless there was money on offer
The McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a reward, given that it would only be paid in the event of Madeleine being found
Like you, I do not understand why they have not used that opportunity
Agreed Ica. I applaud their charity work but wtf...how is this helping to find their daughter?? If it was my daughter I would be out there in Portugal scouring every possible lead. Tracking every source and following every snippet of information until I either get her or find her body. What does Gerry McCann do? Goes back to work in a f..king hospital and leaves the search to a bunch of incompetents who aren't even in Portugal becasue they aren't even welcome there!!! What a f..king fiasco.
That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
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are people suggesting that the seedy lowlife people have only suddenly come upon relevant information and didn't have it years ago when the reward was publicised?
It possible I suppose but how likely?
memories change as do attitudes over time. Allegiances also change within criminal groups so now is the right time to put a reward out there are see what gets hooked.
and who should do it - the Mccanns - I think we all agree that it is not their reward money offered in the first place or the people/organisations that originally offered it - or the fund?
Who should make the announcement - the Mccanns or the Police?
Where should the announcement be made - UK, Portugal or worldwide?
Should there be a time limit?
How much should they offer?
Should it be for information leading to a live Madeleine?
You seem to know about these things so I look forward to your opinion?
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Did the PJ ever publicise the reward when it was originally on offer - or was this something else covered byt the secrecy thing?
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Did the PJ ever publicise the reward when it was originally on offer - or was this something else covered byt the secrecy thing?
Good point. I don't recall the PJ mentioning it, but it may have got picked up by the PT tabloids - I can't recall offhand.
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Is it allowed/policy to offer a reward in Portugal - I don't know.
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maybe SY could have saved taxpayers money and just offered £1m reward and sat back and waited?
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See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents. Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?
That's the problem you see. The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch. One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post. That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced. Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.
Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down? A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation. All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???
So you completely dismiss out of hand any of the potential downsides associated with the business of offering a reward? You are obviously very knowledgeable about the benefits of offering a reward - perhaps you can give some real-life examples of people found because of the reward offered?
After 6 years wasted what downsides exactly are we talking about? We already have the downside, Madeleine is as much lost as she was on 3rd May 2007. The offer of a reward has brought forward much information over the years, the police use this tool regularly as do the national Press when they get involved. Do you really believe they wouldn't offer a reward if there was little success of it being of assistance? The UK charity Crimestoppers use rewards regularly in all sorts of cases which again proves that the offer of a reward is conducive to solving cases.
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maybe SY could have saved taxpayers money and just offered £1m reward and sat back and waited?
For all the f..king use they have been they might as well done exactly that....
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are people suggesting that the seedy lowlife people have only suddenly come upon relevant information and didn't have it years ago when the reward was publicised?
It possible I suppose but how likely?
memories change as do attitudes over time. Allegiances also change within criminal groups so now is the right time to put a reward out there are see what gets hooked.
and who should do it - the Mccanns - I think we all agree that it is not their reward money offered in the first place or the people/organisations that originally offered it - or the fund?
Who should make the announcement - the Mccanns or the Police?
Where should the announcement be made - UK, Portugal or worldwide?
Should there be a time limit?
How much should they offer?
Should it be for information leading to a live Madeleine?
You seem to know about these things so I look forward to your opinion?
It matters little, what does matter is that they get on with it.
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See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents. Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?
That's the problem you see. The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch. One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post. That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced. Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.
Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down? A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation. All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???
So you completely dismiss out of hand any of the potential downsides associated with the business of offering a reward? You are obviously very knowledgeable about the benefits of offering a reward - perhaps you can give some real-life examples of people found because of the reward offered?
After 6 years wasted what downsides exactly are we talking about? We already have the downside, Madeleine is as much lost as she was on 3rd May 2007. The offer of a reward has brought forward much information over the years, the police use this tool regularly as do the national Press when they get involved. Do you really believe they wouldn't offer a reward if there was little success of it being of assistance? The UK charity Crimestoppers use rewards regularly in all sorts of cases which again proves that the offer of a reward is conducive to solving cases.
I don't see how anyone can argue with the logic of your arguement
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
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You must address your concerns to the Scotland Yard Review Team - perhaps they can shed some light on it.
I wouldn't waste my time Martha. It is action on the ground in Portugal and elsewhere that is needed which is something the Met office boys will never be able to do. Best to leave them to what they do best and leak a few more morsels and snippets to their pals down at Fleet Street. After all that's what keeps the public happy and the cash rolling in for another few years.
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See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents. Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?
That's the problem you see. The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch. One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post. That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced. Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.
Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down? A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation. All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???
So you completely dismiss out of hand any of the potential downsides associated with the business of offering a reward? You are obviously very knowledgeable about the benefits of offering a reward - perhaps you can give some real-life examples of people found because of the reward offered?
After 6 years wasted what downsides exactly are we talking about? We already have the downside, Madeleine is as much lost as she was on 3rd May 2007. The offer of a reward has brought forward much information over the years, the police use this tool regularly as do the national Press when they get involved. Do you really believe they wouldn't offer a reward if there was little success of it being of assistance? The UK charity Crimestoppers use rewards regularly in all sorts of cases which again proves that the offer of a reward is conducive to solving cases.
You must address your concerns to the Scotland Yard Review Team - perhaps they can shed some light on it.
Why, always, the vehement objection to the McCanns, themselves, being directly questioned about anything ?
What is the problem with asking them to clarify whether or not a reward is on offer ?
What reason exists that prevents them from giving a clear and straightforward answer to such a simple question ?
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Unless I have misinterpreted things, cos they actually tell me nothing concrete, I think that SY know more than you think, but they are working thru it
I do glean things tho and have reasons for saying this. Let them get on with it. Be patient
I hope that I am right.
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
If the McCanns had known for sure that Madeleine was still in Portugal - then I've no doubt they would have remained. But as the biggest and most comprehensive search ever conducted in Portugal had failed to find her - I think they were entitled to believe that it was highly likely she had been taken out of the country. They then followed the advice given regarding missing children and concentrated on trying to keep her profile as high as possible in the public's mind - that being the best chance there was of her being found. I think they did the right thing.
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But they haven't managed to keep her profile in the public domain. She is hardly ever mentioned in the Press any more and there are few posters if any to be seen around the country about her. If you travel abroad there are no posters in any of the airports because no one wants to damage their tourism industry by reminding anyone that child abductors exist. Save for a few tweets and mentions on forums like this one nobody cares. Is that reality??
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But they haven't managed to keep her profile in the public domain. She is hardly ever mentioned in the Press any more and there are few posters if any to be seen around the country about her. If you travel abroad there are no posters in any of the airports because no one wants to damage their tourism industry by reminding anyone that child abductors exist. Save for a few tweets and mentions on forums like this one nobody cares. Is that reality??
I disagree Angelo. After 6 years Madeleine is still front page news at every opportunity the newspapers can find to write about her - and there is the SY Review taking place. Of course interest will wane with the general public as time goes on - that's simply a fact of life - but in the meantime I think the McCanns have done everything humanly possible to make sure Madeleine is not forgotten. Hopefully their efforts will be rewarded one day in the not too distant future.
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
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See, there you go again, implying that the McCanns are calculating, heartless, uncaring parents. Did it occur to you that the McCanns may have taken professional advice on this matter from people who do actually know what they are talking about and who don't see the offering of a reward as the simple solution to the case that you seem to see it as?
That's the problem you see. The people they are talking to and taking advice from are a useless bunch. One of them was responsible for an innocent man being imprisoned for years for the murder of Jill Dando yet remains in post. That clown of a detective and a few others of the same ilk should have been booted out but no he and they are still there advising people like the McCanns and no doubt looking to stitch up the next poor sod with some sort of learning difficulty who is easily influenced. Amaral must be laughing his socks off at them with their latest suspect list which in the end and £millions later will lead nowhere.
Maybe the McCanns are content to follow the official line and keep their heads down? A little PR here, an odd interview there once in a while, an occasional fun run and not forgetting Kates patronage of a missing children organisation. All great stuff but how exactly will any of this go any way to finding their daughter after 6 long years???
So you completely dismiss out of hand any of the potential downsides associated with the business of offering a reward? You are obviously very knowledgeable about the benefits of offering a reward - perhaps you can give some real-life examples of people found because of the reward offered?
After 6 years wasted what downsides exactly are we talking about? We already have the downside, Madeleine is as much lost as she was on 3rd May 2007. The offer of a reward has brought forward much information over the years, the police use this tool regularly as do the national Press when they get involved. Do you really believe they wouldn't offer a reward if there was little success of it being of assistance? The UK charity Crimestoppers use rewards regularly in all sorts of cases which again proves that the offer of a reward is conducive to solving cases.
You must address your concerns to the Scotland Yard Review Team - perhaps they can shed some light on it.
Why, always, the vehement objection to the McCanns, themselves, being directly questioned about anything ?
What is the problem with asking them to clarify whether or not a reward is on offer ?
What reason exists that prevents them from giving a clear and straightforward answer to such a simple question ?
What do you mean "direct" questions to the McCann? Do you think they're posting on this forum? And even if they WERE, do bear in mind that:
1. WE do not have the right to question them about anything. SY is currently conducting a review of the case, the McCann are co-operating with them. (If in doubt, please see Judge Tugendhat's sentencing report re. McCann vs Bennett)
2. By the same token, THEY have no legal obligation to satisfy ANYONE'S need to pry into their private affairs, thoughts or actions about anything concerning this case.
We can speculate til the cows come home why THEY didn't say this, or why THEY didn't do that etc etc. Nobody here afaik can answer any direct questions to the McCann.
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Have you been to an NHS hospital recently?
I reckon only 50% of staff have English as their first language.
A physician treats bodies - he/she does not first and foremost has to have a natter with them.
Others will translate if necessary.
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
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And you just dont drop into a job as a heart consultant. Even if you were seriously considered.
Gerrys job is not to be surgeon, but to diagnose. Language would be very important.
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker
Did he speak English?
Do we know - pray tell?
For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.
Nonsensical in the extreme
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker
Did he speak English?
Do we know - pray tell?
For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.
Nonsensical in the extreme
Assuming that story is true, we don't know whether he spoke English or not. And there is surely a difference between making a quick medical assessment and offering first aid in an emergency situation and getting an employment contract as a cardiologist when you don't speak the language?
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It is nonsense to suggest that either Kate or Gerry could simply have got jobs in Portugal with absolutely NO Portuguese. Before they even started to look for a job they would have had to have learned the language. They also had to consider the twins - were they to start school in Portugal, also with the initial disadvantage of having no Portuguese (though this would have been soon remedied as they were so young). And what were they to do about their house in England, and Gerry's existing job?
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker
Did he speak English?
Do we know - pray tell?
For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.
Nonsensical in the extreme
I thought English and French were Portugal's second languages: English Language has an obligatory status in Portuguese Schools same as French (besides of course the Portuguese Language). This mean that every Portuguese person that went or is in school learned English and French. Although both languages are obligatory in the first years of school, at one point students have to choose between the 2 obligatory languages (English or French) for the rest of the years needed to complete High School, and most students if not all choose English over French. This mean that virtually all Portuguese students understands and speaks at least Basic English, being in most cases their second language.
Correct me please if I am wrong, thank you.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes
Including:
cardi(o)- Of or pertaining to the heart Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
yep quite fluent there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMYd2CUWKY
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker
Did he speak English?
Do we know - pray tell?
For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.
Nonsensical in the extreme
I thought English and French were Portugal's second languages: English Language has an obligatory status in Portuguese Schools same as French (besides of course the Portuguese Language). This mean that every Portuguese person that went or is in school learned English and French. Although both languages are obligatory in the first years of school, at one point students have to choose between the 2 obligatory languages (English or French) for the rest of the years needed to complete High School, and most students if not all choose English over French. This mean that virtually all Portuguese students understands and speaks at least Basic English, being in most cases their second language.
Correct me please if I am wrong, thank you.
When did this become compulsory, though? And for how long did they have to study a foreign language x years ago? Amaral didn't understand English, neither did most of the GNR.
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes
Including:
cardi(o)- Of or pertaining to the heart Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart
You need the great Latinum, not the great Grecian to get anywhere in medicine
and please don't wikipedia me, it's insulting
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Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
You think?
Amy Fitzpatrick's stepfather arrested over fatal stabbing of her brother
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/amy-fitzpatricks-stepfather-arrested-over-fatal-stabbing-of-her-brother-29297450.html
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So when the last time you conversed with your Doctor in Latin?
What's pathetic is to think that you can just pick up a language, read & write it fluently within a short period of time with no problem at all. Even more pathetic is to think that you can easily get a professional position in a foreign country without speaking the language perfectly.
(Every time someone tells me "you're lucky, you speak the language" - I honestly feel like smacking them in the mouth.)
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Would the "reviled" McCanns have got jobs in Portugal, where the majority appears to be deeply suspicious of them (thanks to the police and media hatchet job done on them over the years)?
No chance!
ETA In fact, I think the family would have been in danger in Portugal, & there was nothing they could do in Portugal anymore that they couldn't do from the UK, hence, it was a wise & security conscious decision to leave IMO.
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So when the last time you conversed with your Doctor in Latin?
What's pathetic is to think that you can just pick up a language, read & write it fluently within a short period of time with no problem at all. Even more pathetic is to think that you can easily get a professional position in a foreign country without speaking the language perfectly.
(Every time someone tells me "you're lucky, you speak the language" - I honestly feel like smacking them in the mouth.)
addressed to me?
if so, I keep it simple
Latin is the lingua franca of medicine - a doctor in Sevoto can converse fully with a doctor in Northampton
using this lingua franca
Asking a patient 'where does it hurt', 'when did you last eat'
requires a native speaker able to translate properly - nothing more, nothing less
that clear enough for you?
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So when the last time you conversed with your Doctor in Latin?
What's pathetic is to think that you can just pick up a language, read & write it fluently within a short period of time with no problem at all. Even more pathetic is to think that you can easily get a professional position in a foreign country without speaking the language perfectly.
(Every time someone tells me "you're lucky, you speak the language" - I honestly feel like smacking them in the mouth.)
I'd be intrigued to know how intelligible Portuguese would be with a Glaswegian accent...
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Have you been to an NHS hospital recently?
I reckon only 50% of staff have English as their first language.
A physician treats bodies - he/she does not first and foremost has to have a natter with them.
Others will translate if necessary.
What a load of BS. Clinical doctors need to be able to communicate with the patient in the same language. Any locum doctor not able to speak reasonable English (not perfect, just reasonable) will not be used again by any hospital. Speaking with the patient is paramount in almost every health issue (surgeons might just get away with it!). Source- I am a retired nurse and know how quickly non-proficient English speakers are disposed of.
Bu do feel free to make up any fairy story to demean the McCanns!
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Would the "reviled" McCanns have got jobs in Portugal, where the majority appears to be deeply suspicious of them (thanks to the police and media hatchet job done on them over the years)?
No chance!
ETA In fact, I think the family would have been in danger in Portugal, & there was nothing they could do in Portugal anymore that they couldn't do from the UK, hence, it was a wise & security conscious decision to leave IMO.
faulty logic I'm afraid
Being aided by the British embassy
Should G&K not have hot footed it back to Britain immediately?
Or would that have been a tad too hasty in PR terms?
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The McCann's don't have Portuguese as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. They don't have it at ALL.
So that poor fellow he helped out on that flight back to Blighty - who had a dodgy ticker
Did he speak English?
Do we know - pray tell?
For according to your logic - Gerry would not have touched him - if he didn't have his lingo.
Nonsensical in the extreme
Your whole thrust of argument on this matter is what is nonsensical in the extreme.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
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That may seem easy from the outside...
The McCanns were there for months. Neither they, nor the PIs could have interviewed anyone who chose not to talk to them.
There was no point in them staying there with the hostile atmosphere once they'd been made arguidos - and there were the twins to consider.
If Gerry had not gone back to work, they'd have had to have lived off the fund. And he no doubt mentally he needed a constructive focus that gave him a breather for part of the day from the emotional trauma.
Once they got hold of the files, there was obviously a lot to check through, detail by detail.
I really don't see what staying on in PT would have achieved.
What did they do for months? Sat in PDL twiddling their thumbs until Amaral decided they were involved and the moment he was forced to lift the arguido status they flew back to the UK. You don't give up on your child just because the police are a little hostile to you. The McCanns are qualified doctors, they could have got a job in Portugal quite easily and used their spare time to effectively look for their missing daughter but no...not to be. I am not in the lease surprised that many people are critical of their decision to return to the UK and effectively abandon their child to her fate. Just awful imo.
I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Have you been to an NHS hospital recently?
I reckon only 50% of staff have English as their first language.
A physician treats bodies - he/she does not first and foremost has to have a natter with them.
Others will translate if necessary.
What a load of BS. Clinical doctors need to be able to communicate with the patient in the same language. Any locum doctor not able to speak reasonable English (not perfect, just reasonable) will not be used again by any hospital. Speaking with the patient is paramount in almost every health issue (surgeons might just get away with it!). Source- I am a retired nurse and know how quickly non-proficient English speakers are disposed of.
Bu do feel free to make up any fairy story to demean the McCanns!
Oh don't get your knickers in a twist now
Debunker
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
yep quite fluent there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMYd2CUWKY
One brief phrase. I am no linguist but I could easily say that in Polish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian (both languages), Danish, High German and Swabish, Spanish, French, Italian, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Latin and Russian if need be with a little practice, and many other languages with a little more effort- the same as I can successfully order a meal, a beer a hotel room and so on in those languages.
Your argument is unsupported BS.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
So you confirm that you are quite uneducated. Cool
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes
Including:
cardi(o)- Of or pertaining to the heart Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart
You need the great Latinum, not the great Grecian to get anywhere in medicine
and please don't wikipedia me, it's insulting
You need no Latin at all to practice medicine. A knowledge of Latin and Greek helps with remembering names and such as it does in Biology where Latin was the base.
You need no qualification in Latin to attend medical school and no medical school teaches Latin.
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Would the "reviled" McCanns have got jobs in Portugal, where the majority appears to be deeply suspicious of them (thanks to the police and media hatchet job done on them over the years)?
No chance!
ETA In fact, I think the family would have been in danger in Portugal, & there was nothing they could do in Portugal anymore that they couldn't do from the UK, hence, it was a wise & security conscious decision to leave IMO.
Yes, we saw how the hostile locals turned up to shout things at them when they went to the police station, I can't imagine those same locals wanting to tell Kate McCann their medical problems at morning surgery.
Kate has not been practising for 6 years - didn't you know?
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So when the last time you conversed with your Doctor in Latin?
What's pathetic is to think that you can just pick up a language, read & write it fluently within a short period of time with no problem at all. Even more pathetic is to think that you can easily get a professional position in a foreign country without speaking the language perfectly.
(Every time someone tells me "you're lucky, you speak the language" - I honestly feel like smacking them in the mouth.)
addressed to me?
if so, I keep it simple
Latin is the lingua franca of medicine - a doctor in Sevoto can converse fully with a doctor in Northampton
using this lingua franca
Asking a patient 'where does it hurt', 'when did you last eat'
requires a native speaker able to translate properly - nothing more, nothing less
that clear enough for you?
I have become inured to stupid comments on forums, but your current obsession is setting new lows.
Doctors do not need to (nor often have the ability to) speak Latin.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
We stopped using Latin half a century ago. A few Latin abbreviations remain but no Latin is ever entered in case notes. You are really talking out of the wrong orifice!
So you confirm that you are quite uneducated. Cool
Silly ad hominem.
Actually I did Latin at school in England for four years as it was compulsory at my school. It certainly helped me understand the etmymology of the language and some medical terms.
Modern Doctors and Nurses usually have no Latin at all as it dropped out of most curricula years ago.
Doctors do not generally speak Latin.
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes
Including:
cardi(o)- Of or pertaining to the heart Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart
You need the great Latinum, not the great Grecian to get anywhere in medicine
and please don't wikipedia me, it's insulting
You need no Latin at all to practice medicine. A knowledge of Latin and Greek helps with remembering names and such as it does in Biology where Latin was the base.
You need no qualification in Latin to attend medical school and no medical school teaches Latin.
I'd hate to have your class of GP
Do you live up north?
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Funnily enough, I've never seen any of the Doctor friends I have conversing in Latin over the dinner table. Maybe that's because they NEVER do.
A basic knowledge of Latin may be helpful in learning a Latin based language, as is previous knowledge of another Latin based language IMO. That doesn't take away the fact that it generally takes years of study to learn a language proficiently enough to be able to compete for professional positions with native speakers of that language.
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Funnily enough, I've never seen any of the Doctor friends I have conversing in Latin over the dinner table. Maybe that's because they NEVER do.
A basic knowledge of Latin may be helpful in learning a Latin based language, as is previous knowledge of another Latin based language IMO. That doesn't take away the fact that it generally takes years of study to learn a language proficiently enough to be able to compete for professional positions with native speakers of that language.
and whatever languages are you proficient enough in
to hold that view
Mrs. B ?
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LOL Quite ridiculous. You think there are doctors being employed in Portuguese hospitals who don't speak a word of Portuguese?
AFAIK there has been no reports on any desperate need to import English speaking cardiologists in Portuguese news, they seem to manage quite well on their own.
Nice turn of phrase
but as you probably have an alma mater, you might know that the medical language still used is LATIN
regardless of whether you ply your trade in Austria or Zimbabwe
silly me, I thought everyone knew this
A lot of medical terms have Greek roots (as well as some Latin ones).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_roots,_suffixes_and_prefixes
Including:
cardi(o)- Of or pertaining to the heart Ancient Greek καρδία (kardía), heart
You need the great Latinum, not the great Grecian to get anywhere in medicine
and please don't wikipedia me, it's insulting
You need no Latin at all to practice medicine. A knowledge of Latin and Greek helps with remembering names and such as it does in Biology where Latin was the base.
You need no qualification in Latin to attend medical school and no medical school teaches Latin.
I'd hate to have your class of GP
Do you live up north?
Doctors do not speak Latin.
Unless you can prove it is a requirement for medical school....
Over to you!
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A few more than you, judging from your ignorant remarks above. Apart from that, none of your business.
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Doctors practising clinically in the UK must have English fluency:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21547513
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A few more than you, judging from your ignorant remarks above. Apart from that, none of your business.
So you don't speak any other tongues but English
But you're quite prepared to be the resident linguist?
laughable
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NHS requirements for Medical School:
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/training-to-become-a-doctor/undergraduate-medical-education/entry-requirements-for-medical-school/
Note- no Latin required.
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
Stop splitting hairs debunker. Nobody mentioned 'extended speech'. Yet again you add bits to suoit your own agenda. Kate could speak Portuguese when it suited her...end off!!
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
I think by that time, it was pretty obvious to them that Madeleine was no longer in Portugal & that she hadn't been for a very long time. The whole idea of the parents personally searching through every part of Portugal, knocking on people's doors demanding to inspect their houses, is ludicrous in the extreme, apart from the fact that it would have been illegal for them even to attempt it.
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The title of this thread was:
Re: Has the reward money for the safe return of Madeleine McCann been dropped?
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Entry requirements for Medical Degrees at Oxford:
http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses/medicine/medicine_entrance.html
Note: No Latin required!
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Would the "reviled" McCanns have got jobs in Portugal, where the majority appears to be deeply suspicious of them (thanks to the police and media hatchet job done on them over the years)?
No chance!
ETA In fact, I think the family would have been in danger in Portugal, & there was nothing they could do in Portugal anymore that they couldn't do from the UK, hence, it was a wise & security conscious decision to leave IMO.
Yes, we saw how the hostile locals turned up to shout things at them when they went to the police station, I can't imagine those same locals wanting to tell Kate McCann their medical problems at morning surgery.
Is that why Kate gave up being a GP as she was afraid of English people turning up at her surgery shouting abuse? The Portuguese locals aren't the only ones who have a problem with them by the looks of it. 8(0(*
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
Stop splitting hairs debunker. Nobody mentioned 'extended speech'. Yet again you add bits to suoit your own agenda. Kate could speak Portuguese when it suited her...end off!!
Bait and Switch again:
You claimed:
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
And ISmellaRat replied:
yep quite fluent there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMYd2CUWKY
Where she says a brief phrase of about ten words.
Not fluent, just parroted- as most people could do in any language with a couple of hours practice.
As far as I know they do not speak much colloquial Portuguese, and certainly not enough to practice medicine there.
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Would the "reviled" McCanns have got jobs in Portugal, where the majority appears to be deeply suspicious of them (thanks to the police and media hatchet job done on them over the years)?
No chance!
ETA In fact, I think the family would have been in danger in Portugal, & there was nothing they could do in Portugal anymore that they couldn't do from the UK, hence, it was a wise & security conscious decision to leave IMO.
Yes, we saw how the hostile locals turned up to shout things at them when they went to the police station, I can't imagine those same locals wanting to tell Kate McCann their medical problems at morning surgery.
Is that why Kate gave up being a GP as she was afraid of English people turning up at her surgery shouting abuse? The Portuguese locals aren't the only ones who have a problem with them by the looks of it. 8(0(*
Gerry has had no problem at all.
As a GP people would not have dared to abuse her as it is a certain way to be struck off the practice list.
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A few more than you, judging from your ignorant remarks above. Apart from that, none of your business.
So you don't speak any other tongues but English
But you're quite prepared to be the resident linguist?
laughable
No, I claim no such thing - though must admit that I find it quite amusing that you assume English is my first language.
Laughable, even....
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
Needhams and Fitzpatricks for a start, they are to be admired for their efforts on the ground. They didn't run trot off home as soon as they could like the McCanns did.
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So you are from up north debunker
let me guess, Sc*nthorpe?
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This Thread is hilarious.
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The title of this thread was:
Re: Has the reward money for the safe return of Madeleine McCann been dropped?
True, let's get back on track. The NOTW reward surely must be consider dropped due to closure, but then again, wouldn't NI be responsible for any undertakings made by NOTW despite the fact that they are no longer in business?
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
Needhams and Fitzpatricks for a start, they are to be admired for their efforts on the ground. They didn't run trot off home as soon as they could like the McCanns did.
IIRC the Needhams were already resident in Greece when it hapened.
How long did the Fitzpatricks stay?
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
Needhams and Fitzpatricks for a start, they are to be admired for their efforts on the ground. They didn't run trot off home as soon as they could like the McCanns did.
You admire the Fitzpatricks? Even now?
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/stepfather-arrested-over-murder-of-amys-brother-29298296.html
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
Needhams and Fitzpatricks for a start, they are to be admired for their efforts on the ground. They didn't run trot off home as soon as they could like the McCanns did.
It seems the Fitzpatricks were also resident abroad when it happened.
So both families stayed were they were before the disappearances.
There goes your argument then!
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The McCanns have been asked about the reward several times but they refuse to answer. They are very happy to take money from the public but offer little in return which says it all for me. Their loftiness is appalling to behold!!
As for working in Portugal, get a job as a f..king labourer if it helps you to search for your child. The excuses being put forward as to why they couldn't have stayed and worked in Portugal are pathetic. Look at what the Fitzpatrick family have gone through to look for their daughter, they put the McCanns to shame.
Has any family ever remained in another country when a child has been abducted?
Needhams and Fitzpatricks for a start, they are to be admired for their efforts on the ground. They didn't run trot off home as soon as they could like the McCanns did.
IIRC the Needhams were already resident in Greece when it hapened.
How long did the Fitzpatricks stay?
The Fitzpatrick mother and stepfather were resident in Spain. as was Amy.
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
Excuse excuses...always excuses. They would have been able to have done a hell of a lot more in Portugal than they have done from Rothley but then again this whole debacle is all about them anyway and not about finding Maddie. Gerrys career is obviously more important to him than looking for his daughter.
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
Excuse excuses...always excuses. They would have been able to have done a hell of a lot more in Portugal than they have done from Rothley but then again this whole debacle is all about them anyway and not about finding Maddie. Gerrys career is obviously more important to him than looking for his daughter.
Spiteful tripe. Tell us what you would have had them do in Portugal then. And - I see you ignored the fact that the Needhams asked to be repatriated 2 months after Ben went missing.
Yes, and this too....
THE stepfather of missing Irish teenager Amy Fitzpatrick has been arrested by gardai investigating the murder of her brother, Dean, who was found stabbed to death.
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
Stop splitting hairs debunker. Nobody mentioned 'extended speech'. Yet again you add bits to suoit your own agenda. Kate could speak Portuguese when it suited her...end off!!
Kate could READ Portuguese. There is a mighty difference
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
Stop splitting hairs debunker. Nobody mentioned 'extended speech'. Yet again you add bits to suoit your own agenda. Kate could speak Portuguese when it suited her...end off!!
Kate could READ Portuguese. There is a mighty difference
Read it? Where on earth would she have learnt to even read Portuguese, particularly in the early days? She may have learnt to repeat a few phrases.
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This Thread is hilarious.
I'm loving it. @)(++(*
Please dont get serious.
Open another thread for that!
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
Excuse excuses...always excuses. They would have been able to have done a hell of a lot more in Portugal than they have done from Rothley but then again this whole debacle is all about them anyway and not about finding Maddie. Gerrys career is obviously more important to him than looking for his daughter.
Blame, Blame, always blame.You are an unimportant member of the public with no standing in the matter. Your personal opinions are as much use as any other uninformed person in the country. Who elected you dictator of morals?
If Gerry gave up his career to satisfy your stupid agenda, what would that do for the rest of the family including Sean and Amelie. Do you really think you know better with your limited knowledge what is better for The McCanns than they do themselves.
No. You just want to emote about your distorted world view.
It's none of your effing business. Getting off on other peoples' misery is an unappealing characteristic!
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I'm sure it would have been really easy for the McCanns to get jobs in Portugal, a country where the majority of locals seemed quite hostile towards them and believed them guilty of hiding their child's body.
And in which they didn't speak the language.
Strange isn't it how Kate can speak Portuguese when it suits when addressing the Portuguese media. They could learn just as everyone else who works abroad does.
Example please of any extended speech in Portuguese by Kate- more than a couple of parrot fashion learnt phrases.
Stop splitting hairs debunker. Nobody mentioned 'extended speech'. Yet again you add bits to suoit your own agenda. Kate could speak Portuguese when it suited her...end off!!
Kate could READ Portuguese. There is a mighty difference
Read it? Where on earth would she have learnt to even read Portuguese, particularly in the early days? She may have learned to repeat a few phrases.
Oh, I DONT MEAN READ and UNDERSTAND !
Just read parrott fashion and learn rote
Sorry I wasn't clear.
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
Excuse excuses...always excuses. They would have been able to have done a hell of a lot more in Portugal than they have done from Rothley but then again this whole debacle is all about them anyway and not about finding Maddie. Gerrys career is obviously more important to him than looking for his daughter.
Blame, Blame, always blame.You are an unimportant member of the public with no standing in the matter. Your personal opinions are as much use as any other uninformed person in the country. Who elected you dictator of morals?
If Gerry gave up his career to satisfy your stupid agenda, what would that do for the rest of the family including Sean and Amelie. Do you really think you know better with your limited knowledge what is better for The McCanns than they do themselves.
No. You just want to emote about your distorted world view.
It's none of your effing business. Getting off on other peoples' misery is an unappealing characteristic!
Nah, he doesn't really believe what he is saying!
He is just needling you Debunker
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This Thread is hilarious.
I'm loving it. @)(++(*
Please dont get serious.
Open another thread for that!
Erm, I don't think they are doing it on purpose, Sadie. At least, not all of them.
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Gerry has had no problem at all.
As a GP people would not have dared to abuse her as it is a certain way to be struck off the practice list.
Who mentioned Gerry? We are discussing Kate and how would you know what Gerry has experienced Debunker unless you are closer to them than you admit to being??
The nurse is easily needled Sadie. @)(++(*
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Gerry has had no problem at all.
As a GP people would not have dared to abuse her as it is a certain way to be struck off the practice list.
Who mentioned Gerry? We are discussing Kate and how would you know what Gerry has experienced Debunker unless you are closer to them than you admit to being??
The nurse is easily needled Sadie. @)(++(*
How does what this discussion has grown into relate to the OP?
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This Thread is hilarious.
I'm loving it. @)(++(*
Please dont get serious.
Open another thread for that!
Erm, I don't think they are doing it on purpose, Sadie. At least, not all of them.
Dont you believe it Eleanor, Angelo is enjoying being devils advocate
He is stirring it. 8)-)))
Only in my opinion of course
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This Thread is hilarious.
I'm loving it. @)(++(*
Please dont get serious.
Open another thread for that!
Erm, I don't think they are doing it on purpose, Sadie. At least, not all of them.
Dont you believe it Eleanor, Angelo is enjoying being devils advocate
He is stirring it. 8)-)))
Only in my opinion of course
Funny you should say that, Sadie.
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Gerry has had no problem at all.
As a GP people would not have dared to abuse her as it is a certain way to be struck off the practice list.
Who mentioned Gerry? We are discussing Kate and how would you know what Gerry has experienced Debunker unless you are closer to them than you admit to being??
The nurse is easily needled Sadie. @)(++(*
How does what this discussion has grown into relate to the OP?
Open a parallel thread Carana
Purrlease
This is a gem 8(>((
There are two of them at it, stirring
I'll let you guess who the second one is @)(++(*
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Spiteful tripe. Tell us what you would have had them do in Portugal then. And - I see you ignored the fact that the Needhams asked to be repatriated 2 months after Ben went missing.
Spite my ar... It is the cold hard truth. They have a big fat fund which is something the poor Needhams and Fitzpatricks never had yet they continued to search for their child regardless. And you have the audacity to throw aspersions at the Fitzpatricks after everything they have been through. Shame on you!!
I note that you have not responded to the FACT that the Needhams and Fitzpatricks were resident in the country where the disappearances occurred, whereas the Mccanns were not.
As I asked for above, a cite please for where a family stayed longer away from their home in the UK after a disappearance, than the McCanns .
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I don't see why living and working in Portugal would have made any difference to finding Madeleine anyway - it's a ludicrous proposition. Say they'd both got jobs on the Algarve, how would that have helped Madeleine and the rest of their family? Would you have them knocking on strangers' doors in their spare time and scouring wasteland with spaniel dogs, even though there is no evidence that Madeleine is even still in the Algarve?
Excuse excuses...always excuses. They would have been able to have done a hell of a lot more in Portugal than they have done from Rothley but then again this whole debacle is all about them anyway and not about finding Maddie. Gerrys career is obviously more important to him than looking for his daughter.
Blame, Blame, always blame.You are an unimportant member of the public with no standing in the matter. Your personal opinions are as much use as any other uninformed person in the country. Who elected you dictator of morals?
If Gerry gave up his career to satisfy your stupid agenda, what would that do for the rest of the family including Sean and Amelie. Do you really think you know better with your limited knowledge what is better for The McCanns than they do themselves.
No. You just want to emote about your distorted world view.
It's none of your effing business. Getting off on other peoples' misery is an unappealing characteristic!
The moment they contacted the Press and started looking for donations from the public to create a search fund was the moment it became public business. Maybe questions should be asked why money donated in order to search for Madeleine is being used for other purposes? Has the donated money been well spent in your opinion Mr Debunker?
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Very true, that's what this all boils down to - judgmental busy bodies and nosey parkers thinking they know it all and better than those actually affected by these events.
Six long years have passed but remind me, how many times have the McCanns been back to Praia da Luz? Is that once or twice? How much looking have they done since returning home? If it was my child and I had a search fund I would be out there looking for her but then my name isn't McCann.
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Spiteful tripe. Tell us what you would have had them do in Portugal then. And - I see you ignored the fact that the Needhams asked to be repatriated 2 months after Ben went missing.
Spite my ar... It is the cold hard truth. They have a big fat fund which is something the poor Needhams and Fitzpatricks never had yet they continued to search for their child regardless. And you have the audacity to throw aspersions at the Fitzpatricks after everything they have been through. Shame on you!!
I note that you have not responded to the FACT that the Needhams and Fitzpatricks were resident in the country where the disappearances occurred, whereas the Mccanns were not.
As I asked for above, a cite please for where a family stayed longer away from their home in the UK after a disappearance, than the McCanns .
How many British holidaymakers have left their children unattended in a hotel bedroom while they went out socialising only to have one abducted. You have your answer!!
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Very true, that's what this all boils down to - judgmental busy bodies and nosey parkers thinking they know it all and better than those actually affected by these events.
Six long years have passed but remind me, how many times have the McCanns been back to Praia da Luz? Is that once or twice? How much looking have they done since returning home? If it was my child and I had a search fund I would be out there looking for her but then my name isn't McCann.
I have no idea. I don't have a missing child, do you?
Would you alert the press every time you wanted to spend a quiet few days with friends, or for other reasons, where your child had disappeared?
Friends and their children are also growing up - they have a right to privacy as well.
Where and how would you be looking for your missing child in situ?
Would you have found it authentic if they had staged a photo op with a spade? Or perhaps a mask and snorkel? A battering ram to bust down every resident's front door?
Or how about sneaking into the gardens of elderly residents in the middle of the night?
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Interestingly, in Amy's case, the family members weren't seen roaming around the countryside searching either. Neither were any local people btw, the police didn't allow untrained people to participate in searches.
Investigating police from the Guardia Civil are co-ordinating the search and are extending it to an area 12km in radius.
No civilians are being allowed to take part in the search.
Volunteers had been asked to gather at the Calla Mijes football pitch, which is beside the school that Amy previously attended.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0109/97984-fitzpatricka/
Looks like they learnt the lesson from the mistakes of their Portuguese counterparts.
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Spiteful tripe. Tell us what you would have had them do in Portugal then. And - I see you ignored the fact that the Needhams asked to be repatriated 2 months after Ben went missing.
Spite my ar... It is the cold hard truth. They have a big fat fund which is something the poor Needhams and Fitzpatricks never had yet they continued to search for their child regardless. And you have the audacity to throw aspersions at the Fitzpatricks after everything they have been through. Shame on you!!
I note that you have not responded to the FACT that the Needhams and Fitzpatricks were resident in the country where the disappearances occurred, whereas the Mccanns were not.
As I asked for above, a cite please for where a family stayed longer away from their home in the UK after a disappearance, than the McCanns .
How many British holidaymakers have left their children unattended in a hotel bedroom while they went out socialising only to have one abducted. You have your answer!!
All you are emphasizing IMO is how extremely rare stranger abduction is. The very fact that is SO rare is why people going on holiday do not tend to have the possibility of their children being abducted from their beds at the forefront their minds - or even to enter their minds. Something which gives a massive advantage to any would-be abductor.
I don't blame any parents for being human and capable of making human errors. I blame the obscene, evil criminals who take advantage of that fact.
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This Thread is truly incredible.
The McCanns should have been searching, no doubt on their hands and knees, when they had no idea of where Madeleine was or is.
The McCanns should have stayed in Portugal and got a job with no real knowledge of the language. Although how they would have had time to search is a bit of a mystery when they didn't know where their daughter was, or is.
They shouldn't have spent any of The Fund on surviving when in fact this is why people sent money originally.
The McCanns should never have tried to keep the name and memory of their daughter in The Media.
It's the fault of The McCanns that no other parent of a missing child managed to do this in the past.
This has got to be a wind up.
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This Thread is truly incredible.
The McCanns should have been searching, no doubt on their hands and knees, when they had no idea of where Madeleine was or is.
The McCanns should have stayed in Portugal and got a job with no real knowledge of the language. Although how they would have had time to search is a bit of a mystery when they didn't know where their daughter was, or is.
They shouldn't have spent any of The Fund on surviving when in fact this is why people sent money originally.
The McCanns should never have tried to keep the name and memory of their daughter in The Media.
It's the fault of The McCanns that no other parent of a missing child managed to do this in the past.
This has got to be a wind up.
At one point, I recall those of a certain persuasion confidently predicting that the McCanns would nestle anonymously and seamlessly into the woodwork, slip out of the limelight and just let everything pass by, perhaps the way you might expect a couple with a guilty secret to hide to react.
When they didn't, guess what ...
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This Thread is truly incredible.
The McCanns should have been searching, no doubt on their hands and knees, when they had no idea of where Madeleine was or is.
The McCanns should have stayed in Portugal and got a job with no real knowledge of the language. Although how they would have had time to search is a bit of a mystery when they didn't know where their daughter was, or is.
They shouldn't have spent any of The Fund on surviving when in fact this is why people sent money originally.
The McCanns should never have tried to keep the name and memory of their daughter in The Media.
It's the fault of The McCanns that no other parent of a missing child managed to do this in the past.
This has got to be a wind up.
At one point, I recall those of a certain persuasion confidently predicting that the McCanns would nestle anonymously and seamlessly into the woodwork, slip out of the limelight and just let everything pass by, perhaps the way you might expect a couple with a guilty secret to hide to react.
When they didn't, guess what ...
Now wasn't that wishful thinking, ferryman? 8(0(*
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This Thread is truly incredible.
The McCanns should have been searching, no doubt on their hands and knees, when they had no idea of where Madeleine was or is.
The McCanns should have stayed in Portugal and got a job with no real knowledge of the language. Although how they would have had time to search is a bit of a mystery when they didn't know where their daughter was, or is.
They shouldn't have spent any of The Fund on surviving when in fact this is why people sent money originally.
The McCanns should never have tried to keep the name and memory of their daughter in The Media.
It's the fault of The McCanns that no other parent of a missing child managed to do this in the past.
This has got to be a wind up.
At one point, I recall those of a certain persuasion confidently predicting that the McCanns would nestle anonymously and seamlessly into the woodwork, slip out of the limelight and just let everything pass by, perhaps the way you might expect a couple with a guilty secret to hide to react.
When they didn't, guess what ...
Erm, they turned the goalposts upside down.
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
What a sad post, how does your brain compute that people who ask for transparency when it was promised and denied, are resentful? They are just bemused that is all, anyone who makes a promise and reneges on it is questioned, that is all ESPECIALLY if it is to do with PUBLIC donations to a FUND the Mccanns publically asked for money for and still do to this day for a missing child
if the Mccanns keep their faces, case and mugs off the news then you might have a case but you havent, as its all a very very public case
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Back to what this thread was originally about...
The upside of a reward is clearly to try to elicit information as quickly as possible and to help keep a high profile.
One downside that I didn't see in the Family Survival Guide was the possibility of it inspiring other abductions.
Shannon Matthews trial: Madeleine McCann case may have inspired Shannon Matthews’ kidnap
By Paul Stokes
1:14PM GMT 04 Dec 2008
As the Find Madeleine Fund grew to one million pounds so did the desires of Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan to make money.
Police believe the pair hatched their plan in the knowledge that the public's generosity could be guaranteed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3547821/Shannon-Matthews-trial-Madeleine-McCann-case-may-have-inspired-Shannon-Matthews-kidnap.html
Little Shannon was thankfully found alive, as we know, but has been through a traumatic and life-changing experience as a result of what happened to her.
As usual, the McCanns were in for criticism.
- In the beginning, it fuelled numerous articles about the so-called social class debate in terms of the far lower reward and press coverage.
- Then there was criticism that the fact that Shannon had been through that experience was the McCann's fault for allowing a reward in the first place.
- And now, the criticism is that if one still exists and they are downplaying it, then they aren't doing everything to promote finding her. And if one no longer exists, it's because they don't care any more.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Unfortunately, others are going to have to weigh up the pros and cons of a reward for finding their own loved ones. Perhaps the answer lies in how much is offered, in how it is handled and in who by.
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Back to what this thread was originally about...
The upside of a reward is clearly to try to elicit information as quickly as possible and to help keep a high profile.
One downside that I didn't see in the Family Survival Guide was the possibility of it inspiring other abductions.
Shannon Matthews trial: Madeleine McCann case may have inspired Shannon Matthews’ kidnap
By Paul Stokes
1:14PM GMT 04 Dec 2008
As the Find Madeleine Fund grew to one million pounds so did the desires of Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan to make money.
Police believe the pair hatched their plan in the knowledge that the public's generosity could be guaranteed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3547821/Shannon-Matthews-trial-Madeleine-McCann-case-may-have-inspired-Shannon-Matthews-kidnap.html
Little Shannon was thankfully found alive, as we know, but has been through a traumatic and life-changing experience as a result of what happened to her.
As usual, the McCanns were in for criticism.
- In the beginning, it fuelled numerous articles about the so-called social class debate in terms of the far lower reward and press coverage.
- Then there was criticism that the fact that Shannon had been through that experience was the McCann's fault for allowing a reward in the first place.
- And now, the criticism is that if one still exists and they are downplaying it, then they aren't doing everything to promote finding her. And if one no longer exists, it's because they don't care any more.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Unfortunately, others are going to have to weigh up the pros and cons of a reward for finding their own loved ones. Perhaps the answer lies in how much is offered, in how it is handled and in who by.
I take on board much of what you have written
But doesn't it boil down to this?:
In May 2007 2.5 million PST were there for the taking for anyone who gave information that would get Madeleine home to Rothley safely?
Those 2.5 million PST appear now to be a guilty secret.
Why pray tell - why has the bounty money dwindled into dust - and led every Edgar, Eduardo or Erwin
to abandon spilling the beans - and to leave the tabloids to rehash old, long abandoned tales?
True, the McCanns may not have had control of the reward money - but the benefactors Branson, Rowley et al had.
The Elton John gig never materialised either.
They've abandoned ship - just like the Vatican website did, within 4 hours of the McCanns being made arguidoes.
And that is fact - not conjecture.
I'm that sad, I counted down the hours - having had a pretty good gut feeling what the Holy See would do.
they'd give Bell Pottinger a good run for the money when it comes to damage limitation
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We don't know if a reward is still on offer (and just not being publicised) or not.
Some may have jumped ship in various ways if they believed the negative publicity leaked by the PJ. Or may have been advised by their PR managers to dissociate themselves, whatever the people themselves actually believed.
I was shocked when the Vatican website took down its Madeleine page. Whatever has happened has nothing to do with the child herself. I thought the whole point for believers is that prayer is a positive energy and prayers are sometimes answered. Whatever has happened to her - she is still missing and needs to be found. In that sense, I find the Vatican has let her down.
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First of all can I just say that this subject appears to be highly emotive for some reason with certain pros so if I came across as abusive in any way yesterday I do apologise as that was not my intention. That said, my views on the subject remain unaltered by any arguments which I have seen posted on this thread.
My position remains as follows. The offer of a reward is an essential tool in any abduction. You have to bite the bullet sometimes when dealing with the criminal s..m in society if it is for the greater good. Wouldn't it be worth a few hundred grand to get that little girl back one way or another? Isn't that what everyone wants in the final analysis?
Certainly there are drawbacks and disadvantages but let's remember that 6 years have now passed and the cops are no nearer to finding Madeleine than they were in 2007. It is a new approach which is needed and not more of the same old crap as seen in the UK Press over the last week. I ask you, what reputable police service will feed the Press information which can only push suspects further away instead of eliciting their help?
Who gives a dam about prosecutions? This is a secondary issue. The primary aim is to get Madeleine back and whatever else happens is secondary.
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We don't know if a reward is still on offer (and just not being publicised) or not.
Some may have jumped ship in various ways if they believed the negative publicity leaked by the PJ. Or may have been advised by their PR managers to dissociate themselves, whatever the people themselves actually believed.
I was shocked by the Vatican website took down its Madeleine page. Whatever has happened has nothing to do with the child herself. I thought the whole point for believers is that prayer is a positive energy and prayers are sometimes answered. Whatever has happened to her - she is still missing and needs to be found. In that sense, I find the Vatican has let her down.
I agree, prayer is a positive thing - it's wishing well on other people whether invoked in English, French or Arabic
But to this poster - the McCanns have NOT stood up to public scrutiny - simple as
They have had millions of British tax payers' pounds for their thus fruitless search for their daughter.
I believe they should stop hiding behind sound bites and PR - spin and confront the public that so generously supports them.
It's not more wristbands we need - it's straight answers to what happened on May 3rd and the run up to it.
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
Answer- it's none of your effing business.
convicted child killer's avatar still on display on a forum discussing a missing child?
shameful
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Why would Madeleine be in either Portugal or Spain? There's absolutely no proof that she is in either place so why would they go there? Why not Timbuktu or Tokyo or, why not the UK, even? Totally senseless & btw THEY don't have the authority to go around demanding to inspect other people's properties or houses. Only police have the authority to do that.
The reward issue is bull anyway, if the people who KNOW what happened did not come forward when there was £1.5 m on offer from Branson & NOTW, why on earth would they come forward now, for a lot less money? Makes no sense whatsoever. IMO
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
Correct
My Damascene conversion
was reading Kate's book 'Madeleine'
very little about Madeleine in it - lot's of stuff about Kate's worries and anguish
and describing the child's genitalia
That's when Kate lost my support and respect
- this may sound cruel
But Madeleine appears to be just a cipher to Kate nowadays
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
Answer- it's none of your effing business.
Oh but it is Debunker and that is where you are completely wrong. The McCanns made it the publics business the moment they went crying to the media, the moment they elicited funds from the public to allegedly help in the search for their daughter and the moment they incorporated a Limited Company to handle those funds.
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
Answer- it's none of your effing business.
convicted child killer's avatar still on display on a forum discussing a missing child?
shameful
Stop goading.
It is a fully reformed criminal's picture- a reminder about repentance and rehabilitation, redemption and forgiveness.
Stop your silliness and ad hominem attacks.
A fully reformed criminal? 8-)(--)
A cruel child killer
As an avatar on a forum discussing the disappearence of a child?
Are you having a laugh?
Sorry, just answered that
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No, still none of your business. Nobody was forced to donate to the fund. Those who did, did so voluntarily. None of you have been able to provide one scintilla of evidence of any wrong doings, you can whine all you want about the fund not spending money on what YOU would have wanted it to.
If you donate money to the British Heart Foundation, do you think you have a vote on what specific heart conditions they fund research for? Not a chance.
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No, still none of your business. Nobody was forced to donate to the fund. Those who did, did so voluntarily. None of you have been able to provide one scintilla of evidence of any wrong doings, you can whine all you want about the fund not spending money on what YOU would have wanted it to.
If you donate money to the British Heart Foundation, do you think you have a vote on what specific heart conditions they fund research for? Not a chance.
Might be, but were there was once Elton John,
David Robert Joseph Beckham, Gordon Brown, the Pope, JK Rowling, Ronaldo. Richard Branson, Philip Green
Where are they all now?
Lorraine Kelly is left to hold the fort - and she'll have any mug on her sofa
Does that not tell you something?
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The McCanns official site Find Madeleine has been asked on several occasions to confirm or deny that a reward is still on the table and they have ignored every approach. In fact I have heard that the site isn't even monitored properly so what mechanism are the McCanns using to communicate with interested parties and in particular any information regarding Madeleine's whereabouts? Are they so aloof and full of themselves these days as to believe that they don't have to answer questions any more?
I must say that I find the lack of clarity by the McCanns to be somewhat sinister.
I agree with what you state Registrar. They seem to have lost their way. It is all about them now and not Madeleine. How hard would it be for Gerry McCann to take a sabbatical and get out to Portugal or even Spain and search for his daughter. He has the funds to do it so what is stopping him? Does he want his daughter back or not??
Correct
My Damascene conversion
was reading Kate's book 'Madeleine'
very little about Madeleine in it - lot's of stuff about Kate's worries and anguish
and describing the child's genitalia
That's when Kate lost my support and respect
- this may sound cruel
But Madeleine appears to be just a cipher to Kate nowadays
Yes it does sound cruel. The fact that both you and Angelo seem to accept that the McCanns have lost their child in a stranger abduction but still you direct judgmental, ill-informed criticism and cruel comments at themday in day out. At least the "sceptics" have an excuse for their hating (albeit a very poor one) in that they have deluded themselves into believing the McCanns are criminals.
Incorrect
I do not believe that G&K are criminals
I believe they did not tell the whole truth of what happened on May 3rd and the run up to that date.
Therein lies a distinct difference
Something you will educate me about - no doubt
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Why would Madeleine be in either Portugal or Spain? There's absolutely no proof that she is in either place so why would they go there? Why not Timbuktu or Tokyo or, why not the UK, even? Totally senseless & btw THEY don't have the authority to go around demanding to inspect other people's properties or houses. Only police have the authority to do that.
The reward issue is bull anyway, if the people who KNOW what happened did not come forward when there was £1.5 m on offer from Branson & NOTW, why on earth would they come forward now, for a lot less money? Makes no sense whatsoever. IMO
You obviously don't comprehend how the passage of time effects such issues. There is no such thing as a Criminals Charter, one will sell out the other for a few Euros and now is the time to put it to the test and not to hide behind what the Met have allegedly advised. As for Timbuktu and Tokyo I am very sure that you won't find Madeleine there but your flippant comment does not surprise me in the least as the McCanns have continually resisted returning to Portugal for any period longer than a day or two.
There is a every possibility that Madeleine is still in Portugal or even Spain so they are the logical place to start. Even if she wasn't still in Portugal there are people in the country who know what happened to her. It is to them that the pressure should be exerted.
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Registrar, do you accept that Madeleine was likely abducted by a stranger?
No
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
Well definitely not my opinion......
wasn't the fund money used for the most expensive lowers the best money could buy [forget how many they had wasnt it 11 at one point]....
All that money people donated ...yet they got the cheapest corruptest P I........
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No, still none of your business. Nobody was forced to donate to the fund. Those who did, did so voluntarily. None of you have been able to provide one scintilla of evidence of any wrong doings, you can whine all you want about the fund not spending money on what YOU would have wanted it to.
If you donate money to the British Heart Foundation, do you think you have a vote on what specific heart conditions they fund research for? Not a chance.
I beg to differ, the McCanns sought the help of the public, they are thus obliged to provide that public with proper updates as to what they are doing with their (publics) money. This is in addition to their responsibilities as directors of a Limited Company. This money was not donated to the McCanns to pay their mortgage or libel lawyers or crooked investigators...this money was donated and is still being donated to search for Madeleine. Maybe they have forgotten this concept in the mist of the last 6 years??
To get local media interested never mind being onside the McCanns would have to spend time in Portugal. Working or not working is irrelevant as they have a fund behind them. They will not find Madeleine sitting in England writing books and making the odd tv or radio appearance talking about themselves. The Latins are a very family orientated and proud people and they do not appreciate being talked down to. This is something the McCanns are yet to appreciate imo.
Good point xtina.
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There is no evidence suggesting Madeleine is still in Portugal, nor in Spain. What official sources have claimed that? It is also not the McCann that should find the perpetrators of the abduction, that's up to the Portuguese police. IMO the last place in the world where you are likely to find Madeleine, is Portugal. That's what the parents are concentrating on, finding their child.
And as for the parents not visiting Portugal, can you find at least one year when it's NOT been reported that they had visited Portugal? If so please feel free to enlighten us, as I can't seem to find one.
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The Latins are a very family orientated and proud people and they do not appreciate being talked down to.
Really? Better run off & tell UNICEF about that - they have a different idea...
http://www.unicef.org/media/media_14661.html
The UNICEF research estimates that almost 3,500 children under the age of 15 die from physical abuse and neglect every year in the industrialized world. The greatest risk is among younger children. A small group of countries – Spain, Greece, Italy, Ireland and Norway – appear to have an exceptionally low incidence of child maltreatment deaths; Belgium, the Czech Republic, New Zealand, Hungary and France have levels that are four to six times higher. The United States, Mexico and Portugal have rates that are between 10 and 15 times higher than those at the top of the league table. [/b]
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
Well definitely not my opinion......
wasn't the fund money used for the most expensive lowers the best money could buy [forget how many they had wasnt it 11 at one point]....
All that money people donated ...yet they got the cheapest corruptest P I........
Most expensive lowers? What does that mean?
Lawyers, I think, supposedly Carter Ruck - who didn't cost anything at all as they had a No Win No Fee agreement in place.
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
Well definitely not my opinion......
wasn't the fund money used for the most expensive lowers the best money could buy [forget how many they had wasnt it 11 at one point]....
All that money people donated ...yet they got the cheapest corruptest P I........
Most expensive lowers? What does that mean?
Lawyers, I think, supposedly Carter Ruck - who didn't cost anything at all as they had a No Win No Fee agreement in place.
Yes when taking the Express to court. Most of the work done by them such as monitoring forums, contacting website hosts etc are not covered by CFA so who is paying for that if not the fund ?
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LOL Have you got any proof that money from the fund has been used to pay Carter Ruck? If so please provide it.
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It is more than possible that Brian Windows Kennedy was footing the bill. But he isn't talking about it. And why should he. It isn't the business of anyone else.
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It is more than possible that Brian Windows Kennedy was footing the bill. But he isn't talking about it. And why should he. It isn't the business of anyone else.
We don't know WHO is paying, or if anyone is, but we do know that Carter Ruck is on record stating they have NEVER received one penny from the Find Madeleine Fund. It was Bennett who insisted they clarify that matter. They replied back to him saying that, although nor they, nor the McCann had any obligation to answer his questions, they could in confirm that fact.
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It's not more wristbands we need - it's straight answers to what happened on May 3rd and the run up to it.
Who is "we" and what would that change in terms of finding the missing child?
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
Well definitely not my opinion......
wasn't the fund money used for the most expensive lowers the best money could buy [forget how many they had wasnt it 11 at one point]....
All that money people donated ...yet they got the cheapest corruptest P I........
Most expensive lowers? What does that mean?
lawyer.......................i must have been thinking the lower amount was spent on maddie...
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Odd how resentful some people are about the Madeleine Fund. I guess the McCanns should have refused all those kind donations and not bothered trying to raise any money to help find their daughter and just got menial jobs in the Algarve instead to fund their search on days off and weekends. Would that have made them more genuine in some people's opinion?
Well definitely not my opinion......
wasn't the fund money used for the most expensive lowers the best money could buy [forget how many they had wasnt it 11 at one point]....
All that money people donated ...yet they got the cheapest corruptest P I........
Most expensive lowers? What does that mean?
lawyer.......................i must have been thinking the lower amount was spent on maddie...
Which "lower" amount was spent on Maddie, since NO money was spent on Carter Ruck?
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No, still none of your business. Nobody was forced to donate to the fund. Those who did, did so voluntarily. None of you have been able to provide one scintilla of evidence of any wrong doings, you can whine all you want about the fund not spending money on what YOU would have wanted it to.
If you donate money to the British Heart Foundation, do you think you have a vote on what specific heart conditions they fund research for? Not a chance.
I beg to differ, the McCanns sought the help of the public, they are thus obliged to provide that public with proper updates as to what they are doing with their (publics) money. This is in addition to their responsibilities as directors of a Limited Company. This money was not donated to the McCanns to pay their mortgage or libel lawyers or crooked investigators...this money was donated and is still being donated to search for Madeleine. Maybe they have forgotten this concept in the mist of the last 6 years??
To get local media interested never mind being onside the McCanns would have to spend time in Portugal. Working or not working is irrelevant as they have a fund behind them. They will not find Madeleine sitting in England writing books and making the odd tv or radio appearance talking about themselves. The Latins are a very family orientated and proud people and they do not appreciate being talked down to. This is something the McCanns are yet to appreciate imo.
Good point xtina.
They are obliged to do nothing at all.
Given the attempts to defame them, I am not surprised that they limited the target by publishing abbreviated accounts.
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Why would Madeleine be in either Portugal or Spain? There's absolutely no proof that she is in either place so why would they go there? Why not Timbuktu or Tokyo or, why not the UK, even? Totally senseless & btw THEY don't have the authority to go around demanding to inspect other people's properties or houses. Only police have the authority to do that.
The reward issue is bull anyway, if the people who KNOW what happened did not come forward when there was £1.5 m on offer from Branson & NOTW, why on earth would they come forward now, for a lot less money? Makes no sense whatsoever. IMO
You obviously don't comprehend how the passage of time effects such issues. There is no such thing as a Criminals Charter, one will sell out the other for a few Euros and now is the time to put it to the test and not to hide behind what the Met have allegedly advised. As for Timbuktu and Tokyo I am very sure that you won't find Madeleine there but your flippant comment does not surprise me in the least as the McCanns have continually resisted returning to Portugal for any period longer than a day or two.There is a every possibility that Madeleine is still in Portugal or even Spain so they are the logical place to start. Even if she wasn't still in Portugal there are people in the country who know what happened to her. It is to them that the pressure should be exerted.
How would you or anyone else know how many times they go to Portugal? They are not obliged to make a public announcement every time they go. You talk about them as if they are public property and are in some way duty bound to divulge every move they make. Do you tell the McCanns when YOU go abroad?
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Oh my goodness me. The McCanns don't want to go to Portugal for a fortnight's holiday, or even a week. Why ever not?
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Kate writes this about the reward.
Alex Woolfall told us that the News of the World, spearheading a group of other benefactors – including Bill Kenwright, the theatre impresario and chairman of Everton FC, businessmen Sir Richard Branson and Sir Philip Green and Harry Potter author J. K. Rowling – was prepared to put up a reward ‘package’ totalling £1.5 million. It would involve companies such as British Airways and Vodafone helping with publicity and awareness initiatives. They needed to know by the following day whether we would like them to proceed. This may sound like a no-brainer, but we had to be careful. We hadn’t a clue how such rewards worked. Would the police be involved? Who would coordinate any ransom negotiations? How would we actually get hold of all this money if necessary? And, most importantly, what were the potential pitfalls? Surely it could lead to fraudulent claims that might waste valuable time and resources. We had no idea, either, what implications this might have for Madeleine’s safety.
Under pressure to make a decision, we solicited advice from various quarters, which confirmed that this kind of thing could indeed be a bit of a double-edged sword. We felt that, on balance, the pros outweighed the cons, thanked all the participants and accepted the offer, as much because we did not want to turn down any corporate help as anything else. With the £100,000 from my GP colleague and a staggering £1 million added by Stephen Winyard – the owner of Stobo Castle spa in the Scottish Highlands and a man who had so far never even met us – the rewards promised now totalled £2.6 million.
McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (pp. 121-122). Random House UK. Kindle Edition. McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (p. 121). Random House UK. Kindle Edition.
It is clear the reward was orchestrated by the News of the World. As the newspaper is no longer in print I suspect the reward is no longer available, however as they were part of Murdoch's empire, confirmation from News International as to whether the reward is available or not would clarify matters.
The McCanns, by all accounts, had to give their permission for a reward to be offered as offers came flooding in and the reward was being spearheaded by the News of the World. It is obvious the McCanns would promote the reward and even visit the sight where the giant inflatable advertising the reward was placed.
However what I do find interesting is the Survival guide about having a child who is missing and what they say about rewards, especially the part about using your own finances.
Do not use your personal funds to finance the reward. As hard as it may be, refrain from using your own personal funds for the reward. Based on the terms and conditions spelled out in the reward offer, you may be liable for payment of the reward, and you may even be sued. And though you may not realize it in the beginning, you may be faced with financial constraints months or years later, for example, if you are out of work for an extended period of time helping in the search for your child
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61046626/Family-Survival-When-Your-Child-Goes-Missing
Chapter 6 is well worth a read.
We can all sit here, post and say how we would react if our child went missing. What you think you might do, could be completely different to what you would actually do if you were in that situation. If your child was missing, you would move heaven and earth to get your child back. You would use the media to keep your child's profile high. A family with a missing child never give up hope.
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Registrar, do you accept that Madeleine was likely abducted by a stranger?
No
Ah, I see. So do you think the McCanns are involved in her disappearance?
Nope, nice try though, woke and wandered and met with an accident or chance abduction
still a viable option
think on
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... woke and wandered and met with an accident or chance abduction
still a viable option
I don't agree registrar. There is far too much evidence against this ergo »
1. Had she awoke and wandered she would have been heard on the balcony.
2. Madeleine could not have raised the shutters.
3. Suspect seen fleeing the scene between checks.
4. Cuddle cat left in room.
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Registrar, do you accept that Madeleine was likely abducted by a stranger?
No
Ah, I see. So do you think the McCanns are involved in her disappearance?
Certainly they are 'involved' but not in the way you are attempting to suggest. They chose to leave the children unattended in a foreign environment so involved they are. Had they been more responsible in the first place then Madeleine would not have been taken.
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... woke and wandered and met with an accident or chance abduction
still a viable option
I don't agree registrar. There is far too much evidence against this ergo »
1. Had she awoke and wandered she would have been heard on the balcony.
2. Madeleine could not have raised the shutters.
3. Suspect seen fleeing the scene between checks.
4. Cuddle cat left in room.
[probably off subject but it really disturbed me]
cuddle cat being washed....probably some will say they would do the same ...but comeon...the cosiest thing to maddie etc
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There comes a time for evrything Xtina.
Kate had been carrying Cuddle cat everywhere with her. It comforted her.
Carrying cuddle cat in a hot country. Bet it was beginning to stink (put crudely)
Neither parent would want a special remembrance of their missing daughter smelling for ever of Kates sweaty hands.
Think about it.
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There comes a time for evrything Xtina.
Kate had been carrying Cuddle cat everywhere with her. It comforted her.
Carrying cuddle cat in a hot country. Bet it was beginning to stink (put crudely)
Neither parent would want a special remembrance of their missing daughter smelling for ever of Kates sweaty hands.
Think about it.
Obviously.
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There comes a time for evrything Xtina.
Kate had been carrying Cuddle cat everywhere with her. It comforted her.
Carrying cuddle cat in a hot country. Bet it was beginning to stink (put crudely)
Neither parent would want a special remembrance of their missing daughter smelling for ever of Kates sweaty hands.
Think about it.
yes..... i have thought about it many times.......my opinion is still the same...why did she wash it ...or carry it about ...why not just hold it close on a night..........by washing it it was just another toy
you don't know either that it stank [your words]
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Correct. I dont KNOW
But common sense tells me that it whiffed.
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Kate writes this about the reward.
Alex Woolfall told us that the News of the World, spearheading a group of other benefactors – including Bill Kenwright, the theatre impresario and chairman of Everton FC, businessmen Sir Richard Branson and Sir Philip Green and Harry Potter author J. K. Rowling – was prepared to put up a reward ‘package’ totalling £1.5 million. It would involve companies such as British Airways and Vodafone helping with publicity and awareness initiatives. They needed to know by the following day whether we would like them to proceed. This may sound like a no-brainer, but we had to be careful. We hadn’t a clue how such rewards worked. Would the police be involved? Who would coordinate any ransom negotiations? How would we actually get hold of all this money if necessary? And, most importantly, what were the potential pitfalls? Surely it could lead to fraudulent claims that might waste valuable time and resources. We had no idea, either, what implications this might have for Madeleine’s safety.
Under pressure to make a decision, we solicited advice from various quarters, which confirmed that this kind of thing could indeed be a bit of a double-edged sword. We felt that, on balance, the pros outweighed the cons, thanked all the participants and accepted the offer, as much because we did not want to turn down any corporate help as anything else. With the £100,000 from my GP colleague and a staggering £1 million added by Stephen Winyard – the owner of Stobo Castle spa in the Scottish Highlands and a man who had so far never even met us – the rewards promised now totalled £2.6 million.
McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (pp. 121-122). Random House UK. Kindle Edition. McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (p. 121). Random House UK. Kindle Edition.
It is clear the reward was orchestrated by the News of the World. As the newspaper is no longer in print I suspect the reward is no longer available, however as they were part of Murdoch's empire, confirmation from News International as to whether the reward is available or not would clarify matters.
The McCanns, by all accounts, had to give their permission for a reward to be offered as offers came flooding in and the reward was being spearheaded by the News of the World. It is obvious the McCanns would promote the reward and even visit the sight where the giant inflatable advertising the reward was placed.
However what I do find interesting is the Survival guide about having a child who is missing and what they say about rewards, especially the part about using your own finances.
Do not use your personal funds to finance the reward. As hard as it may be, refrain from using your own personal funds for the reward. Based on the terms and conditions spelled out in the reward offer, you may be liable for payment of the reward, and you may even be sued. And though you may not realize it in the beginning, you may be faced with financial constraints months or years later, for example, if you are out of work for an extended period of time helping in the search for your child
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61046626/Family-Survival-When-Your-Child-Goes-Missing
Chapter 6 is well worth a read.
We can all sit here, post and say how we would react if our child went missing. What you think you might do, could be completely different to what you would actually do if you were in that situation. If your child was missing, you would move heaven and earth to get your child back. You would use the media to keep your child's profile high. A family with a missing child never give up hope.
The McCanns wouldn't need to use 'their own money' ... they could use the Fund's money ( which is Madeleine's )
On another thread we have been discussing the abject failure of the McCann's campaign so far ( six years later and no further forward than they were on the night Madeleine disappeared )
Something else clearly needs to be done, and as Angelo points out, that 'something else' could be offering a huge reward, and promoting it aggressively abroad
It is something that has not been tried and it has to be worth at least a shot ... I don't understand why people are objecting to it
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Kate writes this about the reward.
Alex Woolfall told us that the News of the World, spearheading a group of other benefactors – including Bill Kenwright, the theatre impresario and chairman of Everton FC, businessmen Sir Richard Branson and Sir Philip Green and Harry Potter author J. K. Rowling – was prepared to put up a reward ‘package’ totalling £1.5 million. It would involve companies such as British Airways and Vodafone helping with publicity and awareness initiatives. They needed to know by the following day whether we would like them to proceed. This may sound like a no-brainer, but we had to be careful. We hadn’t a clue how such rewards worked. Would the police be involved? Who would coordinate any ransom negotiations? How would we actually get hold of all this money if necessary? And, most importantly, what were the potential pitfalls? Surely it could lead to fraudulent claims that might waste valuable time and resources. We had no idea, either, what implications this might have for Madeleine’s safety.
Under pressure to make a decision, we solicited advice from various quarters, which confirmed that this kind of thing could indeed be a bit of a double-edged sword. We felt that, on balance, the pros outweighed the cons, thanked all the participants and accepted the offer, as much because we did not want to turn down any corporate help as anything else. With the £100,000 from my GP colleague and a staggering £1 million added by Stephen Winyard – the owner of Stobo Castle spa in the Scottish Highlands and a man who had so far never even met us – the rewards promised now totalled £2.6 million.
McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (pp. 121-122). Random House UK. Kindle Edition. McCann, Kate (2011-05-12). Madeleine (p. 121). Random House UK. Kindle Edition.
It is clear the reward was orchestrated by the News of the World. As the newspaper is no longer in print I suspect the reward is no longer available, however as they were part of Murdoch's empire, confirmation from News International as to whether the reward is available or not would clarify matters.
The McCanns, by all accounts, had to give their permission for a reward to be offered as offers came flooding in and the reward was being spearheaded by the News of the World. It is obvious the McCanns would promote the reward and even visit the sight where the giant inflatable advertising the reward was placed.
However what I do find interesting is the Survival guide about having a child who is missing and what they say about rewards, especially the part about using your own finances.
Do not use your personal funds to finance the reward. As hard as it may be, refrain from using your own personal funds for the reward. Based on the terms and conditions spelled out in the reward offer, you may be liable for payment of the reward, and you may even be sued. And though you may not realize it in the beginning, you may be faced with financial constraints months or years later, for example, if you are out of work for an extended period of time helping in the search for your child
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61046626/Family-Survival-When-Your-Child-Goes-Missing
Chapter 6 is well worth a read.
We can all sit here, post and say how we would react if our child went missing. What you think you might do, could be completely different to what you would actually do if you were in that situation. If your child was missing, you would move heaven and earth to get your child back. You would use the media to keep your child's profile high. A family with a missing child never give up hope.
The McCanns wouldn't need to use 'their own money' ... they could use the Fund's money ( which is Madeleine's )
On another thread we have been discussing the abject failure of the McCann's campaign so far ( six years later and no further forward than they were on the night Madeleine disappeared )
Something else clearly needs to be done, and as Angelo points out, that 'something else' could be offering a huge reward, and promoting it aggressively abroad
It is something that has not been tried and it has to be worth at least a shot ... I don't understand why people are objecting to it
I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Sorry, I messed up the quotations thing there
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
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Well control Risks are the experts ?
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
Not even remotely odd.
Rewards are not a panacea. In fact I doubt that they have solved many missing child situations. Personally I can't think of any, can you?
But I can understand that setting a reward, particularly a very high reward may in fact scare an abductor who was hiding a child and cause that person to ensure that the child is never found.
As I have said before, I am sure that the McCanns have discussed these factors at length with the experts and I am prepared to recognise that I have no expertise in the matter and respect their decision. Clearly you are not.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
Not even remotely odd.
Rewards are not a panacea. In fact I doubt that they have solved many missing child situations. Personally I can't think of any, can you?
But I can understand that setting a reward, particularly a very high reward may in fact scare an abductor who was hiding a child and cause that person to ensure that the child is never found.
As I have said before, I am sure that the McCanns have discussed these factors at length with the experts and I am prepared to recognise that I have no expertise in the matter and respect their decision. Clearly you are not.
The question I asked was, do you not find it odd that this 'expert' used the phrase "a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head"
Any reward would, in truth, 'put a price' on the abductor's head ... do you not agree ?
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
Not even remotely odd.
Rewards are not a panacea. In fact I doubt that they have solved many missing child situations. Personally I can't think of any, can you?
But I can understand that setting a reward, particularly a very high reward may in fact scare an abductor who was hiding a child and cause that person to ensure that the child is never found.
As I have said before, I am sure that the McCanns have discussed these factors at length with the experts and I am prepared to recognise that I have no expertise in the matter and respect their decision. Clearly you are not.
The question I asked was, do you not find it odd that this 'expert' used the phrase "a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head"
Any reward would, in truth, 'put a price' on the abductor's head ... do you not agree ?
Did you not read my response. I answered you fully.
But just for you I will set it out in simpler terms.
I understand completely how such a reward, particularly a large reward could scare the abductor. Such a scare could panic the abductor. That could ensure that the abductor was sufficiently scared to harm Madeleine, maybe even kill her.
That is how I understand the phrase putting a price on her head.
It is a reference back to the rewards of the "wild west" where the price was on someone's head, dead or alive.
Do try to follow more carefully.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
Not even remotely odd.
Rewards are not a panacea. In fact I doubt that they have solved many missing child situations. Personally I can't think of any, can you?
But I can understand that setting a reward, particularly a very high reward may in fact scare an abductor who was hiding a child and cause that person to ensure that the child is never found.
As I have said before, I am sure that the McCanns have discussed these factors at length with the experts and I am prepared to recognise that I have no expertise in the matter and respect their decision. Clearly you are not.
The question I asked was, do you not find it odd that this 'expert' used the phrase "a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head"
Any reward would, in truth, 'put a price' on the abductor's head ... do you not agree ?
Did you not read my response. I answered you fully.
But just for you I will set it out in simpler terms.
I understand completely how such a reward, particularly a large reward could scare the abductor. Such a scare could panic the abductor. That could ensure that the abductor was sufficiently scared to harm Madeleine, maybe even kill her.
That is how I understand the phrase putting a price on her head.
It is a reference back to the rewards of the "wild west" where the price was on someone's head, dead or alive.
Do try to follow more carefully.
Gerry McCann was warned that emphasizing Madeleine's coloboma could put her life at risk ... he even acknowledged himself that they knew there was a risk, and that the abductor "might do something to her eye "
That is by the by though, the point here is that Kate was convinced by an 'expert' that offering a reward equated with 'putting a price on Madeleine's head' ... whereas most of us ( not you, clearly ) ... but most of us, would say that a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head
The money ( reward ) would be offered to anyone who was prepared to 'turn him in' ... the price was on his head, not Madeleine's
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen. And quite possibly there has been input from Scotland Yard Officers on the subject.
Clearly the decision has been not to do as you suggest. As for why that might be I don't know and I doubt anyone here does, but unlike some I am prepared to respect their decision about the actions they feel are right for their daughter.
The only reference I can find in Kate's book regarding advise about not offering a reward is her mention of 'Hugh' from Control Risks telling her that a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Which left me confused ... to my thinking, a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head, not Madeleine's
Thankfully I can work the quotes out.
Why do you think that all the advice they have receieved would be in the book? I never mentioned the book.
All I know is that in Kate's version of the truth ( her description of the book ) she only mentions 'Hugh' from Control Risks as advising her against offering a reward
... because offering a reward would 'put a price on Madeleine's head'
Don't you find that odd ? ... saying that a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head rather than putting a price on the abductor's head ?
Not even remotely odd.
Rewards are not a panacea. In fact I doubt that they have solved many missing child situations. Personally I can't think of any, can you?
But I can understand that setting a reward, particularly a very high reward may in fact scare an abductor who was hiding a child and cause that person to ensure that the child is never found.
As I have said before, I am sure that the McCanns have discussed these factors at length with the experts and I am prepared to recognise that I have no expertise in the matter and respect their decision. Clearly you are not.
The question I asked was, do you not find it odd that this 'expert' used the phrase "a reward would put a price on Madeleine's head"
Any reward would, in truth, 'put a price' on the abductor's head ... do you not agree ?
Did you not read my response. I answered you fully.
But just for you I will set it out in simpler terms.
I understand completely how such a reward, particularly a large reward could scare the abductor. Such a scare could panic the abductor. That could ensure that the abductor was sufficiently scared to harm Madeleine, maybe even kill her.
That is how I understand the phrase putting a price on her head.
It is a reference back to the rewards of the "wild west" where the price was on someone's head, dead or alive.
Do try to follow more carefully.
Gerry McCann was warned that emphasizing Madeleine's coloboma could put her life at risk ... he even acknowledged himself that they knew there was a risk, and that the abductor "might do something to her eye "
That is by the by though, the point here is that Kate was convinced by an 'expert' that offering a reward equated with 'putting a price on Madeleine's head' ... whereas most of us ( not you, clearly ) ... but most of us, would say that a reward would 'put a price' on the abductor's head
The money ( reward ) would be offered to anyone who was prepared to 'turn him in' ... the price was on his head, not Madeleine's
But having seen the PJ put the information about the Coloboma into the public domain he then chose to make the very best he could of that bad situation and turn the coloboma into a strong focus. The damage was done by tbe PJ not Gerry.
I have explained my thinking on the issue of the reward.
You clearly do not agree.
That is one person with each view.
Your claim that most people agree with you is presumptious bilge with no evidence for it.
It is perfectly possible that Kate McCann was warned that putting up a big reward would put a price on her own child's head as being a threat to the child.
You actually have no idea whether that is true or not. I maintain it is possible, your position is that it simply is not possible.
But to then claim that you have a majority on your side in the argument is facile and silly.
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Well, I believe, at this point, the McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a huge reward ... I mean, how could things be any worse ?
I don't think their wealthy supporters ( like JK Rowling, who offered a million ) would back out now if the McCanns asked them if their reward offers still stood
So they offer a huge reward ( two and a half million pounds at the last count ) and they aggressively promote it abroad ... taking out full page adds in the foreign press saying "3,000,000 euros for the return ofour little girl ... no questions asked"
That might, just might lead to some lowlife grassing on a fellow lowlife, and Madeleine being rescued as a result
It's worth a shot ... isn't it ?
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Well, I believe, at this point, the McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a huge reward ... I mean, how could things be any worse ?
I don't think their wealthy supporters ( like JK Rowling, who offered a million ) would back out now if the McCanns asked them if their reward offers still stood
So they offer a huge reward ( two and a half million pounds at the last count ) and they aggressively promote it abroad ... taking out full page adds in the foreign press saying "3,000,000 euros for the return ofour little girl ... no questions asked"
That might, just might lead to some lowlife grassing on a fellow lowlife, and Madeleine being rescued as a result
It's worth a shot ... isn't it ?
And your belief is yours. Clearly it does not tally with the belief of the McCanns who have expert advice both from independent advisors and the police.
I know who I side with on the matter and it is not an amateur on a small forum.
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But having seen the PJ put the information about the Coloboma into the public domain he then chose to make the very best he could of that bad situation and turn the coloboma into a strong focus. The damage was done by tbe PJ not Gerry.
How can the PJ advise not to turn public the coloboma and put this information in the public domain ? Have you a link ?
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But having seen the PJ put the information about the Coloboma into the public domain he then chose to make the very best he could of that bad situation and turn the coloboma into a strong focus. The damage was done by tbe PJ not Gerry.
How can the PJ advise not to turn public the coloboma and put this information in the public domain ? Have you a link ?
Yes.
The specific word was not used but in a press release just two days after the disappearance the PJ referred to the clear marking in the eye.
(http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/f/1304882254/Madeleine%20Poster.jpg)
Now I have shown you respect and given the evidence you asked for only 7 minutes ago, could you reciprocate please and show me the same respect by giving the evidence I asked from you almost an hour ago on the fund thread?
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Well, I believe, at this point, the McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a huge reward ... I mean, how could things be any worse ?
I don't think their wealthy supporters ( like JK Rowling, who offered a million ) would back out now if the McCanns asked them if their reward offers still stood
So they offer a huge reward ( two and a half million pounds at the last count ) and they aggressively promote it abroad ... taking out full page adds in the foreign press saying "3,000,000 euros for the return ofour little girl ... no questions asked"
That might, just might lead to some lowlife grassing on a fellow lowlife, and Madeleine being rescued as a result
It's worth a shot ... isn't it ?
And your belief is yours. Clearly it does not tally with the belief of the McCanns who have expert advice both from independent advisors and the police.
I know who I side with on the matter and it is not an amateur on a small forum.
You don't think it's worth a try ?
Even this far down the line when everything else has come to a dead end and Madeleine might be languishing in some hell-hole in the hands of a beast ?
It's not worth at least trying ?
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Even this far down the line when everything else has come to a dead end and Madeleine might be languishing in some hell-hole in the hands of a beast ?
It's not worth at least trying ?
Of course it is, perdu pour perdu ! I'm not sure she's "in the hands of a beast", though, the man seemed to carry her delicately and all witnesses thought he was a father carrying his child.
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Well, I believe, at this point, the McCanns have nothing to lose by offering a huge reward ... I mean, how could things be any worse ?
I don't think their wealthy supporters ( like JK Rowling, who offered a million ) would back out now if the McCanns asked them if their reward offers still stood
So they offer a huge reward ( two and a half million pounds at the last count ) and they aggressively promote it abroad ... taking out full page adds in the foreign press saying "3,000,000 euros for the return ofour little girl ... no questions asked"
That might, just might lead to some lowlife grassing on a fellow lowlife, and Madeleine being rescued as a result
It's worth a shot ... isn't it ?
And your belief is yours. Clearly it does not tally with the belief of the McCanns who have expert advice both from independent advisors and the police.
I know who I side with on the matter and it is not an amateur on a small forum.
You don't think it's worth a try ?
Even this far down the line when everything else has come to a dead end and Madeleine might be languishing in some hell-hole in the hands of a beast ?
It's not worth at least trying ?
My personal view is irrelevant. I have no particular expertise in this field and would wish to be guided by experts and not just rely on my emotional reactions and amateur instincts which might edge towards trying a reward and which might be the wrong decision.
I know that the McCanns are advised by experts including SY detectives and former detectives and I respect their decision.
I think many would probably agree with my viewpoint though I won't either suggest with any certainty that it might be a majority or claim it definitely is a majority (as you did).
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The specific word was not used but in a press release just two days after the disappearance the PJ referred to the clear marking in the eye.
Many thanks, Gilet, I had no idea. The word everybody ignored before isn't there and there's no special emphasis. As her mother said, you had to be very close to notice it.
You'll admit that this press release is entitled "disappearance of a minor" and not "abduction of a minor". At that stage they did hope she could be found.
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Even this far down the line when everything else has come to a dead end and Madeleine might be languishing in some hell-hole in the hands of a beast ?
It's not worth at least trying ?
Of course it is, perdu pour perdu ! I'm not sure she's "in the hands of a beast", though, the man seemed to carry her delicately and all witnesses thought he was a father carrying his child.
Nothing to lose? There could be everything to lose even at this late stage.
I still prefer to respect the decision of the parents who have access to expert advice and the fullest knowledge of the case over a couple of amateur forum posters one of whom at least claimed only yesterday not to have followed the case in any great detail.
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My personal view is irrelevant. I have no particular expertise in this field and would wish to be guided by experts and not just rely on my emotional reactions and amateur instincts which might edge towards trying a reward and which might be the wrong decision.
I know that the McCanns are advised by experts including SY detectives and former detectives and I respect their decision.
I think many would probably agree with my viewpoint though I won't either suggest with any certainty that it might be a majority or claim it definitely is a majority (as you did).
But it is your view I am enquiring after
I know that the McCanns don't think it's worth a try ... but you are not here as their spokesperson, and you are allowed to have an independent opinion of your own
What is it ?
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The specific word was not used but in a press release just two days after the disappearance the PJ referred to the clear marking in the eye.
Many thanks, Gilet, I had no idea. The word everybody ignored before isn't there and there's no special emphasis. As her mother said, you had to be very close to notice it.
You'll admit that this press release is entitled "disappearance of a minor" and not "abduction of a minor". At that stage they did hope she could be found.
I have no doubt that an abductor would have been very close to the child, close enough to see the mark and to realise that the police were making it public.
I take the title of this release as a potential indication that the police were treating the case quite open-mindedly but have in the past seen other indications to suggest some among them may not have been.
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But it is your view I am enquiring after
I know that the McCanns don't think it's worth a try ... but you are not here as their spokesperson, and you are allowed to have an independent opinion of your own
What is it ?
This is a goading comment. Gilet has made it perfectly clear in previous posts that amateur opinion on this matter is irrelevant, so it is pointless and offensive to continue pressing this member for his/her personal opinion.
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This is a goading comment. Gilet has made it perfectly clear in previous posts that amateur opinion on this matter is irrelevant, so it is pointless and offensive to continue pressing this member for his/her personal opinion.
Expressing an interest in a fellow member's opinion is goading and offensive ?
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Having clearly outlined my opinion earlier more than once for the benefit of Icabodcrane, I agree that the goading post is both pointless and offensive.
Pointless in the sense that it is repetitive and a complete waste of time because I have answered previously. And offensive in that it suggests that my response has either been ignored by Icabodcrane or he is deliberately seeking to goad me beyond what I wish to post by his silly repetition.
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Gilet, you are very capable of goading if your latest late evening posts are anything to go by. You have continually sought to harass Red at every opportunity and then play the abused card when she reacts.
Back on topic, this constant reference by pros to experts and the McCanns is pure bull. Their so called experts have shown themselves to be a useless bunch who have not even achieved anything. Yet we have constant drivel rolled out that the McCanns are only doing what they are advised. Its all far too convenient.
The McCanns have nothing to lose but everything to gain from offering a reward. Time they started taking a pro active instead of a passive part in searching for their daughter.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.
Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.
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Gilet, you are very capable of goading if your latest late evening posts are anything to go by. You have continually sought to harass Red at every opportunity and then play the abused card when she reacts.
Back on topic, this constant reference by pros to experts and the McCanns is pure bull. Their so called experts have shown themselves to be a useless bunch who have not even achieved anything. Yet we have constant drivel rolled out that the McCanns are only doing what they are advised. Its all far too convenient.
The McCanns have nothing to lose but everything to gain from offering a reward. Time they started taking a pro active instead of a passive part in searching for their daughter.
I find the idea of you posting this immediately after donning your "moderator" hat to excise content from my post above yours quite revealing.
My posts to Redblossom are wholly written to elicit truth, not as you say to goad others.
The fact that you have completely ignored the goading by someone else on this very thread is also very revealing.
Your amateur opinion that a reward would be of value is simply that, an amateur's opinion on a forum. Of relevance only as far as such can go.
My reference to the fact that the McCanns having been advised by experts and my willingness to respect their decision based on that is my opinion, and is of EQUAL VALUE to yours.
The fact that you attempt to trash the views of experts with your none-too-subtle term "bull" is interesting. Whilst it is clear that in this case there has been no success in finding the child as yet, you are ignoring the possibilities that the experts consulted may have achieved success in other cases you are unaware of and you are ignoring the fact that there is potential current progress in this case as SY reveal areas which clearly were overlooked by the PJ in their bungled investigation.
I would appreciate it, Angelo, given the fact that this is a direct response to your post, that you did not edit this post and if you feel it should be edited, would report it to another moderator for an unbiased decision.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.
Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.
Are you seriously suggesting that the McCanns have not discussed this issue with advisers?
If you are then I suggest you look to yourself for the delusion rather than in my posts.
My use of the phrase "I am sure" in this instance has nothing to do with "being very intimate", but everything to do with intelligent consideration of the situation and coming to a logical conclusion about it.
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Oh, I gedit. Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward. Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere. And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
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Oh, I gedit. Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward. Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere. And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.
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Oh, I gedit. Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward. Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere. And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.
Why do you insist on posting such total tosh, are you threatened by the suggestion that the McCann clan should get out to Portugal and look for their child??
It isn't a case of searching property or digging up anything but that comment in itself is very revealing. Is she dead?
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Oh, I gedit. Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward. Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere. And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
So the reward fund is defunct after all?? Maybe they should go on daytime TV with Lorraine Kelly and appeal for donations for a new one? And what is wrong with the people who live on sink estates in Liverpool? Don't the McCanns come from the very same environment in Glasgow or a thatched cottage in Donegal?? 8(0(*
Tut tut Eleanor (http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/c022.gif)
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.
Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.
Are you seriously suggesting that the McCanns have not discussed this issue with advisers?
If you are then I suggest you look to yourself for the delusion rather than in my posts.
My use of the phrase "I am sure" in this instance has nothing to do with "being very intimate", but everything to do with intelligent consideration of the situation and coming to a logical conclusion about it.
I don't know, Gilet, and you don't as well. You're just speculating however brightly you pretend to do it...
Words have a weight that must be respected unless chaos is the purpose.
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Maybe the award advertising was dropped because after they were made arguidos the benefactors for it changed their minds? And withdrew their offers? Might be true. The vatican removed their page on Madeleine then and Esther McVey resigned as spokeswoman for their fund in Jan 2008 and removed reference to them on her website as well
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I have yet to see anyone put up a reasonable argument against offering a reward
All we have had so far are allusions to unknown 'experts' who 'know best'
( this, despite the the fact that following this 'expert advise' has got the McCanns nowhere nearer finding Madeleine )
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I have yet to see anyone put up a reasonable argument against offering a reward
All we have had so far are allusions to unknown 'experts' who 'know best'
( this, despite the the fact that following this 'expert advise' has got the McCanns nowhere nearer finding Madeleine )
Did you miss the post showing what happened in Ben Needham's case regarding the reward that was on offer - and all the other information explaining why rewards can be a double edged sword?
At least one thing has been established: None of the reward money pledged is, or ever has been, in the 'coffers' of the Fund.
Personally - I think this thread has been quite educational regarding the pros and cons of rewards - especially the legal implications and possible pitfalls associated with them, which I didn't know about before.
If anyone needs to know whether the benefactors are still prepared to honour their original pledges, they can always write to them and enquire.
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Oh, I gedit. Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward. Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere. And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.
Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.
Why do you insist on posting such total tosh, are you threatened by the suggestion that the McCann clan should get out to Portugal and look for their child??
It isn't a case of searching property or digging up anything but that comment in itself is very revealing. Is she dead?
"tosh"? It's not nonsense. And I am in no way threatened at all but can see, unlike you and others, that a search by merely handing out posters is not going to find her. And I have given my reasons which you have elected to ignore. She could be dead however Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive.
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I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.
Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.
Are you seriously suggesting that the McCanns have not discussed this issue with advisers?
If you are then I suggest you look to yourself for the delusion rather than in my posts.
My use of the phrase "I am sure" in this instance has nothing to do with "being very intimate", but everything to do with intelligent consideration of the situation and coming to a logical conclusion about it.
I don't know, Gilet, and you don't as well. You're just speculating however brightly you pretend to do it...
Words have a weight that must be respected unless chaos is the purpose.
I remain absolutely sure that this has been discussed. That is my belief and I am sticking to it.
If you think otherwise you must consider both the McCanns and their advisers either so lacking in intelligence as to be unable to contemplate such obvious matters or to be so dismissive of such obvious matters that they simply don't care to discuss them. I don't consider them to be either of the above. I have read their words on the case which suggest they have considered and discussed every possible option and I therefore base my belief on that.
And there is nothing in my statement that I am sure about this which would cause the casual reader to believe that I am "intimate" with the family. A predisposition to believe such nonsense would however lead to that conclusion. It is not the words but the predisposition of the person coming to those words which I think in this case has caused the confusion.
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It is very obvious that the reward which was offered for the safe return of Madeleine McCann and which was publicised in a blaze of publicity no longer exists. What incentive is there for anyone with crucial information as to her whereabouts to come forward any more? Do members think this is a backward step after 6 years or is there more to this than meets the eye? 8(0(* 8(0(*
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As the 7th anniversary of Madeline's disappearance is not too far away I must revive this thread. I find it almost beyond belief that they don't offer a reward for her safe return even now.
Please discuss.
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As the 7th anniversary of Madeline's disappearance is not too far away I must revive this thread. I find it almost beyond belief that they don't offer a reward for her safe return even now.
Please discuss.
I've already pointed this out a few times Angelo.
.....and as you know well, MONEY TALKS.
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Does anyone know of a real reason why a reward would not be offered?
Other than the risk of generating false leads?
Given that so many false leads are going to be generated by publicity and 'sightings' campaigns, this would not appear to be a concern here.
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The MPS are still offering 20 grand reward for information leading to.....
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The MPS are still offering 20 grand reward for information leading to.....
Hm...
I do think that only a much larger reward would be relevant here.
Joe Bloggs watching Crimewatch and remembering something from their holiday in PdL in 2007 is not going to need the lure of a reward to call in with details. They are going to do so because that is the right thing.
A reward would be used to persuade someone concealing someone or something to come forward. But for that - given that loyalties, reputations, and possibly lives could be at risk in doing so - there would have to be on offer a substantial sum.
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Hm...
I do think that only a much larger reward would be relevant here.
Joe Bloggs watching Crimewatch and remembering something from their holiday in PdL in 2007 is not going to need the lure of a reward to call in with details. They are going to do so because that is the right thing.
A reward would be used to persuade someone concealing someone or something to come forward. But for that - given that loyalties, reputations, and possibly lives could be at risk in doing so - there would have to be on offer a substantial sum.
Not if José Bloggs has a record or a history of some sort with the police he won't. We know all too well from Jenny Murat's actions that the locals don't trust the Portuguese police.
The McCanns have a reasonable pot of caixa, its not unreasonable for them to offer a huge reward is it? After all, is it the money or their daughter they cherish most these days?
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Not if José Bloggs has a record or a history of some sort with the police he won't. We know all too well from Jenny Murat's actions that the locals don't trust the Portuguese police.
The McCanns have a reasonable pot of dough, its not unreasonable for them to offer a huge reward is it? After all, is it the money r their daughter they want?
Yes, I see what you mean regarding what Jenny Murat was doing.
As to why the McCanns would not offer something, I cannot think of a reason. Surely there would be nothing to lose.
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Yes, I see what you mean regarding what Jenny Murat was doing.
As to why the McCanns would not offer something, I cannot think of a reason. Surely there would be nothing to lose.
I think the reaction to the Sunday Times article last October shows us questions like these are simply not asked because lawyers may consider answers libelous. Dodgy territory, SH.
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Hm...
I do think that only a much larger reward would be relevant here.
Joe Bloggs watching Crimewatch and remembering something from their holiday in PdL in 2007 is not going to need the lure of a reward to call in with details. They are going to do so because that is the right thing.
A reward would be used to persuade someone concealing someone or something to come forward. But for that - given that loyalties, reputations, and possibly lives could be at risk in doing so - there would have to be on offer a substantial sum.
I believe that honest people may* come forward anyway. The lure of £1.5MM didn't produce much in the first instance why would it now?
* I say may based on my experience of being a witness to a R.T.A. My treatment by the police put me off doing it again.
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I believe that honest people may* come forward anyway. The lure of £1.5MM didn't produce much in the first instance why would it now?
* I say may based on my experience of being a witness to a R.T.A. My treatment by the police put me off doing it again.
Probably because nobody knows anything about any abduction.
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Probably because nobody knows anything about any abduction.
So simple and plausible !
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Yep.
That reward would've been claimed by one of the "burglars" who would have turned in his buddies in a heartbeat.
Assuming they existed in the first place,of course...
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Probably because nobody knows anything about any abduction.
Now theres a thought....whch brings me back to the question, so many years an act?
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Now theres a thought....whch brings me back to the question, so many years an act?
Yes, of course!
If it walks like a snake and talks like a snake, guess what?
It's a bloody snake, not 3 burglars/apartment managers/gypsies/Euclides/Hewlett/Murat/Poshspice etc.
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Yep.
That reward would've been claimed by one of the "burglars" who would have turned in his buddies in a heartbeat.
Assuming they existed in the first place,of course...
Rewards are tricky, the notes are invisibly marked and as people pay with bank cards, a note of 500 euros is examined before being accepted.
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Rewards are tricky, the notes are invisibly marked and as people pay with bank cards, a note of 500 euros is examined before being accepted.
Marked notes would only be an issue in the case of a ransom being paid
A 'reward' on the other hand, would be legitimately paid in return for crucial information
I can't think of a single reason for the McCanns not offering a substancial reward
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Rewards are tricky, the notes are invisibly marked and as people pay with bank cards, a note of 500 euros is examined before being accepted.
Let's assume the 3 burglars each told their mothers/lovers/wives/buddies about who they had in the back shed. Some may have confided in a couple of people over the years.
That's at least 3 other people, who know. 3 other people who may or may not still be friendly with their particular burglar, 7 years down the track. Would they not attempt to claim the reward?
So far, no one exists. Euclides widow has outright defended him and rejected any suggestion of his guilt, even though they were divorced, so she's ruled out.
As far as the other two, well they could be on their second partner/lover/cellmate by now, so where are they?
And on and on...
IF a successful abduction was staged by a "team", there are people who have knowledge of it, who would be able to safely come to LE and eventually claim the reward.
Where are the other 2+ who know about this "crime"?
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Let's assume the 3 burglars each told their mothers/lovers/wives/buddies about who they had in the back shed. Some may have confided in a couple of people over the years.
That's at least 3 other people, who know. 3 other people who may or may not still be friendly with their particular burglar, 7 years down the track. Would they not attempt to claim the reward?
So far, no one exists. Euclides widow has outright defended him and rejected any suggestion of his guilt, even though they were divorced, so she's ruled out.
As far as the other two, well they could be on their second partner/lover/cellmate by now, so where are they?
And on and on...
IF a successful abduction was staged by a "team", there are people who have knowledge of it, who would be able to safely come to LE and eventually claim the reward.
Where are the other 2+ who know about this "crime"?
I fear that what you are writing holds a great deal of logic, Silkywhiskers.
Perhaps there is a very powerful or wealthy person holding Madeleine - or associates of such a person - for whom anonymity is more important even than a very large sum of money.
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I fear that what you are writing holds a great deal of logic, Silkywhiskers.
Perhaps there is a very powerful or wealthy person holding Madeleine - or associates of such a person - for whom anonymity is more important even than a very large sum of money.
Hate to break it to you SH but I believe the chances wee Madeleine is still alive are basically, zero.
I believe her [ .... moderated out ... ] and are lying through their teeth and 90% of what we read in the so-called "media" is false or misleading.
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The lack of logic in this case can be seen in many places, and one is the reward.
SY should state clearly what the reward now is.
And they should phrase it definitively, and primarily in portuguese, and without assumption as to the nature of the crime.
It is bizarre that with millions of euros being spent there is no accurately worded reward publicised in PDL.
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Crimestoppers website. Spot the difference.
Reward for information re disappearance of a 3 year old who disappeared May 2007 = £ ZERO
Reward for information re disappearance of a 27 year old who disappeared March 2007 = £5000
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/in-your-area/eastern/norfolk/crimestoppers-offers-up-to-%C2%A35,000-for-information-on-murder-of-wisbech-man/
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Hate to break it to you SH but I believe the chances wee Madeleine is still alive are basically, zero.
I believe her [ .... moderated out ... ] and are lying through their teeth and 90% of what we read in the so-called "media" is false or misleading.
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Yes I know that's what you were getting at. The most obvious reason for a reward not being claimed is indeed that there is no live child and no abductor.
But I am deducing that another reason could be that an abductor or associate would want to remain concealed. Unlikely, but possible.
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A proper reward would be for information leading to solving the disappearance.
It would not be restricted by a "live-abduction-only" clause.
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A proper reward would be for information leading to solving the disappearance.
It would not be restricted by a "live-abduction-only" clause.
If so, many could be tempted..
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If so, many could be tempted..
Yes, although it could be that someone would be less likely to come forward in a case where they knew she was dead, telling themselves that nothing could be done anyway.
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Yes, although it could be that someone would be less likely to come forward in a case where they knew she was dead, telling themselves that nothing could be done anyway.
If they asked me, I would tell where I think Madeleine is. For free. But to find her would cost a lot of money.
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If they asked me, I would tell where I think Madeleine is. For free. But to find her would cost a lot of money.
Madeleine is Over The Sea.
There is nothing left to find.
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Why do you think that £1m reward money was never claimed?
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Why do you think that £1m reward money was never claimed?
Easy.
She was never abducted, and those responsible for her 'disappearance', were never going to spill the beans.
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Easy.
She was never abducted, and those responsible for her 'disappearance', were never going to spill the beans.
And you think that none of the group would have shopped them for an easy million?
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And you think that none of the group would have shopped them for an easy million?
You think a group was involved?
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You think a group was involved?
Yes - but not the same group as you are thinking of.
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Yes - but not the same group as you are thinking of.
I don't think a group was involved.