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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Angelo222 on June 08, 2018, 01:45:31 PM
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Like so much in the Maddie case the writing of a book of experiences by Kate McCann must be unique in missing child cases. Surely if she had so much to say why didn't she answer the simplest of questions put to her by investigators after she was made an arguida?
Some draw parallels with Amaral's book and suggest the intention was to strike a balance but I don't recall anywhere in his book where he used derogative and abusive terms towards anyone.
Why DID Kate McCann write that book?
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Like so much in the Maddie case the writing of a book of experiences by Kate McCann must be unique in missing child cases. Surely if she had so much to say why didn't she answer the simplest of questions put to her by investigators after she was made an arguida?
Some draw parallels with Amaral's book and suggest the intention was to strike a balance but I don't recall anywhere in his book where he used derogative and abusive terms towards anyone.
Why DID Kate McCann write that book?
Money, money, money
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Like so much in the Maddie case the writing of a book of experiences by Kate McCann must be unique in missing child cases. Surely if she had so much to say why didn't she answer the simplest of questions put to her by investigators after she was made an arguida?
Some draw parallels with Amaral's book and suggest the intention was to strike a balance but I don't recall anywhere in his book where he used derogative and abusive terms towards anyone.
Why DID Kate McCann write that book?
IMHO - PR and money, also to win over the 'hearts and minds 'of the UK public by any means really. But she also got the opportunity to be vile and nasty about those who bothered to challenge her and her husbands versions of what happened. This included their memory allowance due to 'stress', of which they brought on themselves.
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Money, money, money
In part but I believe her motives went much deeper than that. IMO she was aggrieved that she and her hubby were made official suspects despite this being quite normal in such Investigations. For an intelligent person I fail to understand why she failed to grasp that particular nettle?
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Like so much in the Maddie case the writing of a book of experiences by Kate McCann must be unique in missing child cases. Surely if she had so much to say why didn't she answer the simplest of questions put to her by investigators after she was made an arguida?
Some draw parallels with Amaral's book and suggest the intention was to strike a balance but I don't recall anywhere in his book where he used derogative and abusive terms towards anyone.
Why DID Kate McCann write that book?
To raise money for the Madeleine Fund.
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In part but I believe her motives went much deeper than that. IMO she was aggrieved that she and her hubby were made official suspects despite this being quite normal in such Investigations. For an intelligent person I fail to understand why she failed to grasp that particular nettle?
Wouldn't you have been aggrieved in her situation? It is not normal for parents of missing children to be made official suspects without some pretty strong evidence IMO.
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To raise money for the Madeleine Fund.
which a private company under the umbrella- to search for Maddie, but we all know the money went else where, don't we. And they knew they needed more money as the kind people stopped sending cash to them for some reason...
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To raise money for the Madeleine Fund.
Which was squandered on crooked investigators and failed legal action against Amaral. Didn't she do well!
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Wouldn't you have been aggrieved in her situation? It is not normal for parents of missing children to be made official suspects without some pretty strong evidence IMO.
I disagree, the parents of a missing kid will always come under scrutiny but in the McCann case there were several factors which singled them out for closer inspection imo.
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I disagree, the parents of a missing kid will always come under scrutiny but in the McCann case there were several factors which singled them out for closer inspection imo.
So, if you were the subject of police scrutiny and came to the stunning realisation that the police believed you were responsible for your child's disappearance and that they weren't actively seeking anyone else in connection with her disappearance, not only that were leaking details about you to the press, like your private diary perhaps, or their tinpot theories about what they thought you'd done you'd be totally cool with that I suppose?
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So, if you were the subject of police scrutiny and came to the stunning realisation that the police believed you were responsible for your child's disappearance and that they weren't actively seeking anyone else in connection with her disappearance, not only that were leaking details about you to the press, like your private diary perhaps, or their tinpot theories about what they thought you'd done you'd be totally cool with that I suppose?
Why YES, if I was as innocent as the driven snow! I would want to take them on once and for all and ultimately dispel any notions that I might have been involved. Kate however behaved like a shrinking violet.
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Why YES, if I was as innocent as the driven snow! I would want to take them on once and for all and ultimately dispel any notions that I might have been involved. Kate however behaved like a shrinking violet.
If you were innocent, then like Kate, you would almost certainly be outraged to be questioned by the police about your daughter’s disappearance especially while she was still missing and the perpetrator remained at large. To say you would be cool in such a situation is just nonsense IMO.
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So, if you were the subject of police scrutiny and came to the stunning realisation that the police believed you were responsible for your child's disappearance and that they weren't actively seeking anyone else in connection with her disappearance, not only that were leaking details about you to the press, like your private diary perhaps, or their tinpot theories about what they thought you'd done you'd be totally cool with that I suppose?
I think we can stop with the assumption that the police were out to get the McCanns no matter what. The PJ made mistakes -yes, however, we do not know what other lines of enquiry they were following because they didn't tell us.
They and they alone have all the statements and 'access to known crims which may snitch for a few bob'. The fact the some supporters find it repulsive and intrusive and 'not bloody on old chaps' for suspecting the parents involvement, is laughable to be honest.
Some would have us believe that the McCanns were about to be tortured and framed - this is myth making and attempts to try and whip up anger ,resentment among the xenophobic s in our midst, and sympathy for those poor parents all alone searching for their daughter....yawn
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If you were innocent, then like Kate, you would almost certainly be outraged to be questioned by the police about your daughter’s disappearance especially while she was still missing and the perpetrator remained at large. To say you would be cool in such a situation is just nonsense IMO.
We hear on this forum all the time that us sceptics do not accept that all people act differently under stress, when challenging the tapas/parents behaviour so why tell others how they would /would not feel. That is a bit rich actually.
There is also no point in implying Kates innocence and inferred rage,via the first sentence of your post either, you don't know what she was feeling at that time OR IF she was innocent of anything. Unless YOU are Kate posting here under VS name? 8)--)) ^*&&
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i think they were shocked -especially when they thought they were bezzys with Luis Neves.
How else was she going to get the poor me scenario across
Her best option was to write a book in her own words [no awkward questions]
Her own time...so she could get her version out without [no awkward interviews]
spent a lot of time with other parents of missing children
Rather overdid it a bit with emotions she went through
Why did she call it Madeline when it was about her it should have been called me me me and i imo
Oh yes and the money ...to help destroy the writer of the other book.
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An invitation to libel...
Only Kate knows why she wrote the book, to speculate is to open ourselves to libel unless very careful.
The book appears to answer the many questions and theories promulgated on the Internet.
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Everyone is entitled to express themselves within certain parameters and in my opinion it can sometimes be quite revealing.
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So, if you were the subject of police scrutiny and came to the stunning realisation that the police believed you were responsible for your child's disappearance and that they weren't actively seeking anyone else in connection with her disappearance, not only that were leaking details about you to the press, like your private diary perhaps, or their tinpot theories about what they thought you'd done you'd be totally cool with that I suppose?
That's not how it is recorded in the archiving report and dispatch.
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That's not how it is recorded in the archiving report and dispatch.
That's because the questioning was on the basis of the thoughts of the interim report
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That's not how it is recorded in the archiving report and dispatch.
2 Events about 1 year apart.
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Who hasn’t written a book about their high profile missing or dead child? Many of the cases I can think of have accompanying books written by a relative, are they all to be held up for contempt and ridicule, or just Kate McCann? No need to reply, I already know the answer...
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Who hasn’t written a book about their high profile missing or dead child? Many of the cases I can think of have accompanying books written by a relative, are they all to be held up for contempt and ridicule, or just Kate McCann? No need to reply, I already know the answer...
These books were wrote probably in there memory + they were not suspects of unknown crime.
Those parents didn't have a million + fund at there disposal
Besides that we are posting about k mccann booK
Although some think she had no ulterior motive - some do. imo
Where im concerned how can you have respect for that woman - who started that ball rolling in the first place.
She writes a book about her pain etc etc......well what about maddie's...who didn't bring it on herself
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These books were wrote probably in there memory + they were not suspects of unknown crime.
Those parents didn't have a million + fund at there disposal
Besides that we are posting about k mccann booK
Although some think she had no ulterior motive - some do. imo
Where im concerned how can you have respect for that woman - who started that ball rolling in the first place.
She writes a book about her pain etc etc......well what about maddie's...who didn't bring it on herself
Thanks for your entirely predictable response, your opinion of the woman resonates loud and clear in each point.
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Thanks for your entirely predictable response, your opinion of the woman resonates loud and clear in each point.
No problem V S - but i do think you are out of order condemning my opinion - its an open forum for opinions
Its not directed at you or anyone else or even mccanns - its what they have done.
I find it odd that you can have contempt for me - yet treat the mccanns as victims.
They are not maddie is....they have to be responsible for there actions.
writting a book about her/abduction when still crime unknown imo was wrong.
Same as the film they wanted to make a year after maddie went missing - stopped by public outcry.
All for money money - and imo we all know what that was spent on don't we.
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No problem V S - but i do think you are out of order condemning my opinion - its an open forum for opinions
Its not directed at you or anyone else or even mccanns - its what they have done.
I find it odd that you can have contempt for me - yet treat the mccanns as victims.
They are not maddie is....they have to be responsible for there actions.
writting a book about her/abduction when still crime unknown imo was wrong.
Same as the film they wanted to make a year after maddie went missing - stopped by public outcry.
All for money money - and imo we all know what that was spent on don't we.
I have no contempt for you personally. I think your views however are beneath contempt, illogical and based on so many false premises I don’t have the time nor the inclination to point them all out to you, knowing that they will inevitably fall on deaf ears.
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Can we keep posts friendly and constructive everyone. Cheers.
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I have no contempt for you personally. I think your views however are beneath contempt, illogical and based on so many false premises I don’t have the time nor the inclination to point them all out to you, knowing that they will inevitably fall on deaf ears.
No disrespect V G but you believe one version - i believe the other.
Its just that you tend to be too defensive of that couple - there is no need to attack posts u dont like
IMO You don't know what happened you only assume. same as me - only one of us is right 8((()*/
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No disrespect V G but you believe one version - i believe the other.
Its just that you tend to be too defensive of that couple - there is no need to attack posts u dont like
IMO You don't know what happened you only assume. same as me - only one of us is right 8((()*/
I will continue to have contempt for your views as they are based on nothing but bias for the McCanns.
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I will continue to have contempt for your views as they are based on nothing but bias for the McCanns.
To be correct, your bias is for the McCanns, kizzy is biased against the McCanns.
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Call it a tale of two books one i would buy - you would buy the other.
That is the only difference between me and you.
One of the authors is not telling the truth.
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No disrespect V G but you believe one version - i believe the other.
Its just that you tend to be too defensive of that couple - there is no need to attack posts u dont like
IMO You don't know what happened you only assume. same as me - only one of us is right 8((()*/
In my opinion there is only one version ... and that is that Madeleine McCann is missing and remains so.
At the time of writing MADELEINE no one but her parents were actively looking for her. As we have seen from the many utterances regarding the costs involved in looking for a missing child it will be appreciated that this is a very expensive undertaking indeed.
Madeleine's parents set up a fund to finance their search for Madeleine which housed donations from friends and well wishers ~ including damages received from defamation payments.
The Madeleine Fund was running out of money and bearing in mind that it takes a lot of money to search for a missing child in Madeleine's circumstances, the only people still actively looking for her at the time being her parents, had to raise it somehow.
One quite often wonders why those who wrote books to make money out of Madeleine are looked on as heroes while those who wrote a book to finance the search for her are derided by some.
Funny old world, isn't it?
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A reminder that uncalled for comments towards fellow members is a rule breach.
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Call it a tale of two books one i would buy - you would buy the other.
That is the only difference between me and you.
One of the authors is not telling the truth.
Perhaps you’d like to quote all the damning unpleasant untrue things I’ve said about Amaral? If you’re going to pull the “what about you”stunt it’s best to back it up with so e examples at least as unpleasant, untrue and damning as you have written about Kate McCann.
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Perhaps you’d like to quote all the damning unpleasant untrue things I’ve said about Amaral? If you’re going to pull the “what about you”stunt it’s best to back it up with so e examples at least as unpleasant, untrue and damning as you have written about Kate McCann.
Are we allowed to go back to your previous incarnations on here ? @)(++(*
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In my opinion there is only one version ... and that is that Madeleine McCann is missing and remains so.
At the time of writing MADELEINE no one but her parents were actively looking for her. As we have seen from the many utterances regarding the costs involved in looking for a missing child it will be appreciated that this is a very expensive undertaking indeed.
Madeleine's parents set up a fund to finance their search for Madeleine which housed donations from friends and well wishers ~ including damages received from defamation payments.
The Madeleine Fund was running out of money and bearing in mind that it takes a lot of money to search for a missing child in Madeleine's circumstances, the only people still actively looking for her at the time being her parents, had to raise it somehow.
One quite often wonders why those who wrote books to make money out of Madeleine are looked on as heroes while those who wrote a book to finance the search for her are derided by some.
Funny old world, isn't it?
Yes it is B ...the only thing i have to say is that is your opinion.- its just i think different in my opinion.
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To be correct, your bias is for the McCanns, kizzy is biased against the McCanns.
For or against it is a biased view. IMO Kizzy's view is not based on fact but an emotion she is feeling so it appears to be more than an opinion, but a heartfelt belief or something like that. Why the repetition of such beliefs should be tolerated on the forum is something I question.
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For or against it is a biased view. IMO Kizzy's view is not based on fact but an emotion she is feeling so it appears to be more than an opinion, but a heartfelt belief or something like that. Why the repetition of such beliefs should be tolerated on the forum is something I question.
I see posts with emotional content all the time, particularly by those who like to think they know exactly how the McCanns were feeling at any given moment. Just look for words like stunned, hurt, distraught, anguished and desperate.
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I see posts with emotional content all the time, particularly by those who like to think they know exactly how the McCanns were feeling at any given moment. Just look for words like stunned, hurt, distraught, anguished and desperate.
The McCanns are on record stating how they feel and felt, as are those closest to them, therefore for those of us who don’t believe the McCanns and their friends and family it is perfectly legitimate to describe their emotions in those terms IMO.
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For or against it is a biased view. IMO Kizzy's view is not based on fact but an emotion she is feeling so it appears to be more than an opinion, but a heartfelt belief or something like that. Why the repetition of such beliefs should be tolerated on the forum is something I question.
Idont start endless threads my post count is 352 in over 14 months im not the one obsessed
Lets say it is based on the fact i don't believe maddie was abducted.
What should not be tolerated is you trying to psychoanalyze someone you know nothing about.
Its my prerogative to be on the side of the little girl who is not here today - because of her parents actions
Why did kmccann feel the need to write a book - to make money oh and let the world know how she felt
IMO it should have been called kate mccann
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The McCanns are on record stating how they feel and felt, as are those closest to them, therefore for those of us who don’t believe the McCanns and their friends and family it is perfectly legitimate to describe their emotions in those terms IMO.
If the appropriate quotes are supplied, yes. If it's speculation by the poster, no.
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Idont start endless threads my post count is 352 in over 14 months im not the one obsessed
Lets say it is based on the fact i don't believe maddie was abducted.
What should not be tolerated is you trying to psychoanalyze someone you know nothing about.
Its my prerogative to be on the side of the little girl who is not here today - because of her parents actions
Why did kmccann feel the need to write a book - to make money oh and let the world know how she felt
IMO it should have been called kate mccann
When you write a book you can call it what you like
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When you write a book you can call it what you like
Do u think calling it Madeline was appropriate then.
Shall we have a poll of what it should have been called lol
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Do u think calling it Madeline was appropriate then.
Shall we have a poll of what it should have been called lol
I think the title was entirely appropriate.
However start a poll by all means. lol.
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I see posts with emotional content all the time, particularly by those who like to think they know exactly how the McCanns were feeling at any given moment. Just look for words like stunned, hurt, distraught, anguished and desperate.
Do you doubt that they experienced these emotions?
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Idont start endless threads my post count is 352 in over 14 months im not the one obsessed
Lets say it is based on the fact i don't believe maddie was abducted.
What should not be tolerated is you trying to psychoanalyze someone you know nothing about.
Its my prerogative to be on the side of the little girl who is not here today - because of her parents actions
Why did kmccann feel the need to write a book - to make money oh and let the world know how she felt
IMO it should have been called kate mccann
No matter how many times you claim a belief as a fact it is still only a belief. You said "Lets say it is based on the fact i don't believe maddie was abducted" that is not a fact it is a belief.
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Do u think calling it Madeline was appropriate then.
Shall we have a poll of what it should have been called lol
It's nobodys business here what the book should be called
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i think they were shocked -especially when they thought they were bezzys with Luis Neves.
How else was she going to get the poor me scenario across
Her best option was to write a book in her own words [no awkward questions]
Her own time...so she could get her version out without [no awkward interviews]
spent a lot of time with other parents of missing children
Rather overdid it a bit with emotions she went through
Why did she call it Madeline when it was about her it should have been called me me me and i imo
Oh yes and the money ...to help destroy the writer of the other book.
A suggestion for your poll.
The title you suggested.
me me me and i
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A suggestion for your poll.
The title you suggested.
me me me and i
Not got quite the same emotive pull, somehow 8(0(*
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If the appropriate quotes are supplied, yes. If it's speculation by the poster, no.
The McCanns said on many occasions they were devastated by Madeleine's disappearance, but we have to supply a quote to describe them as devastated parents every time? Seriously?
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It's nobodys business here what the book should be called
Anyone who is appalled of what i have said should look on there
Whose business it is - they bought the book
https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0552165158/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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Just been reading the comments on the book from someone who had an open mind. this one says it all.imo
Bit disturbing
Surprised at its content!
ByGeoff Whitingon 18 April 2018
https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0552165158/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Yes a very open mind who starts to wonder if Kate or Madeleine had been .............................
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This sounds like someone who isn’t very open minded IMO.
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So what is your definition of open minded?
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Just been reading the comments on the book from someone who had an open mind. this one says it all.imo
Bit disturbing
Surprised at its content!
ByGeoff Whitingon 18 April 2018
https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0552165158/ref=acr_dpproductdetail_text?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
All deeply prejudiced comments no doubt - apart from those who support the parents, that is ?{)(**
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Read all the other comments E - they have all put there comments what they think to the book
What conclusion they have come too nothing else.
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I don't hold an opinion on her review. I'm just not rejecting it out of hand without knowing how she came to hold that view.
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I don't hold an opinion on her review. I'm just not rejecting it out of hand without knowing how she came to hold that view.
I can make an educated guess!
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I can make an educated guess!
I'm sure you can, but that's all it will be, a guess.
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I'm sure you can, but that's all it will be, a guess.
A guess with some evidence of being correct .IMO
An open mind arriving at two "wonderings" frequently discussed on some sceptic sites.
mmmmnnnnnn?
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Clearly Erngath is deeply sceptical of any sceptical view of Kate's book @)(++(*
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So what is your definition of open minded?
For those that missed it...
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For those that missed it...
Is that someone with a chip on both shoulders?
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So what is your definition of open minded?
In the case of a book review,, someone who gives a balanced appraisal, who seeks to present the good as well as the bad, and clearly there must be something to recommend Kate's book as 71% of reviews make clear. The fact that this book is so often cited on this forum means that it is an invaluable source of information on the case, much of which is used by some to damn the author herself (just think of the mileage provided by f..king tosser, tweedle dee, and genitals - it's been a boon and a gift to those who never cease going on about those particular excerpts). For example if I were reviewing Amaral's book I would recognise that it is a valuable insight into the thinking of the PJ at the time the McCanns were made arguidos, despite the fact that that thinking was clearly muddle-headed and just plain wrong in some aspects. I would highlight the fact that it is written in an economical style which means it is (mercifully) short, but to the point. I would finish by urging the author to update his book with his current thinking on the case (such as MI5 know where the body is - everyone loves a conspiracy theory).
As for the review that was presented as "open minded" it simply trots out the same old baloney we can see written on all the usual internet chat rooms on the case. Open minded would be giving due consideration to the abduction theory, instead the reader has come to the bizarre conclusion from reading the book that Madeleine came a cropper days before the 3rd! It would reserve judgement on the author herself, rather than obviously judging her whilst laughably claiming not to be judging anyone, or speculating luridly about what may have happened to her in her earlier life. All in my humble opinion.
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Being housebound today, I ploughed through a dozen pages or so of Amazon reviews.
Very few readers seemed to think much of either content or literary style.
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Being housebound today, I ploughed through a dozen pages or so of Amazon reviews.
Very few readers seemed to think much of either content or literary style.
How is it then the the book has 71% 4 & 5 star reviews? Here's the thing, all the most popular reviews have been 'liked' by the usual McCann sceptic posse, and they are all the shit reviews, quel surprise!
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How is it then the the book has 71% 4 & 5 star reviews? Here's the thing, all the most popular reviews have been 'liked' by the usual McCann sceptic posse, and they are all the shit reviews, quel surprise!
I haven't read all 75 or so pages so can't answer that. However, stars aren't just awarded for content, but also for condition and speed of delivery
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I haven't read all 75 or so pages so can't answer that. However, stars aren't just awarded for content, but also for condition and speed of delivery
Same with 1 star reviews. The fact of the matter is there are 45 pages of 5 star reviews and only 15 pages of 1 star reviews. Most of the 1 star reviews however have an average of 50 likes compared with 5 star reviews that only on average receive a handful of likes.
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Do you doubt that they experienced these emotions?
I'm quite sure that they experienced those and many more emotions. Whatever happened that night it was a traumatic experience. What I don't like is seeing their feelings being used as an excuse or a reason for their actions; that's speculation. It's not consistent either. If, for example, Gerry forgot which door he used when he went to check the children I don't want to be told it was due to his trauma and lack of sleep. That's not a reason, it's a guess.
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I'm quite sure that they experienced those and many more emotions. Whatever happened that night it was a traumatic experience. What I don't like is seeing their feelings being used as an excuse or a reason for their actions; that's speculation. It's not consistent either. If, for example, Gerry forgot which door he used when he went to check the children I don't want to be told it was due to his trauma and lack of sleep. That's not a reason, it's a guess.
You're telling us it's a fact Gerry forgot which door he used though. Is it a fact or a correction based on a misunderstanding?
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You're telling us it's a fact Gerry forgot which door he used though. Is it a fact or a correction based on a misunderstanding?
The continuing theme being that if the McCanns said or did something strange or inconsistent, it wasn't their fault. The problem is that it may have been their fault and you may be wrong.
Perhaps you can explain why Kate's book gives the impression that the twins were taken from 5A to 5H, when the timeline of events doesn't support that? Was it due to trauma, lack of sleep or incompetent translators?
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The continuing theme being that if the McCanns said or did something strange or inconsistent, it wasn't their fault. The problem is that it may have been their fault and you may be wrong.
Perhaps you can explain why Kate's book gives the impression that the twins were taken from 5A to 5H, when the timeline of events doesn't support that? Was it due to trauma, lack of sleep or incompetent translators?
I really don't know and I really don't care. Perhaps you can explain it, as it is obviously something that matters an awful lot to you and you seem to spend a lot of time concerning yourself with it?
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I really don't know and I really don't care. Perhaps you can explain it, as it is obviously something that matters an awful lot to you and you seem to spend a lot of time concerning yourself with it?
Why ask questions in the first place if you don't like the answers ?
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Why ask questions in the first place if you don't like the answers ?
I didn’t ask the question on this occasion, but thanks for your admonishment.
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The continuing theme being that if the McCanns said or did something strange or inconsistent, it wasn't their fault. The problem is that it may have been their fault and you may be wrong.
Perhaps you can explain why Kate's book gives the impression that the twins were taken from 5A to 5H, when the timeline of events doesn't support that? Was it due to trauma, lack of sleep or incompetent translators?
Could be lots of reasons but as we are told they are not suspects and there's no evidence against them it obviously isn't important
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You're telling us it's a fact Gerry forgot which door he used though. Is it a fact or a correction based on a misunderstanding?
No misunderstanding. The patio door was open and didn't need a key yet GM initially claimed he went to the trouble of walking all the way round to the front door which required a key. Was he expecting to meet someone in the car park per chance?
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Same with 1 star reviews. The fact of the matter is there are 45 pages of 5 star reviews and only 15 pages of 1 star reviews. Most of the 1 star reviews however have an average of 50 likes compared with 5 star reviews that only on average receive a handful of likes.
Do it really matter?
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No misunderstanding. The patio door was open and didn't need a key yet GM initially claimed he went to the trouble of walking all the way round to the front door which required a key. Was he expecting to meet someone in the car park per chance?
and needed the toilet - all the more for the quickest route
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Do it really matter?
Yes it do.
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No misunderstanding. The patio door was open and didn't need a key yet GM initially claimed he went to the trouble of walking all the way round to the front door which required a key. Was he expecting to meet someone in the car park per chance?
Such as?
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Even I have been getting "Likes" lately.
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I really don't know and I really don't care. Perhaps you can explain it, as it is obviously something that matters an awful lot to you and you seem to spend a lot of time concerning yourself with it?
It seems that when appeals for sympathy or empathy and casting aspersions on the interpreters and translators fails, the next step is to attack the unconvinced poster. I rest my case.
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It seems that when appeals for sympathy or empathy and casting aspersions on the interpreters and translators fails, the next step is to attack the unconvinced poster. I rest my case.
How was that an attack exactly?
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Could be lots of reasons but as we are told they are not suspects and there's no evidence against them it obviously isn't important
Thanks, Dave. That statement is also trotted out regularly.
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Thanks, Dave. That statement is also trotted out regularly.
That's because it's true and highly relevant
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How was that an attack exactly?
The impression you are trying to give is that the incident I referred to doesn't need an explanation because it's so trivial that it's of interest only to an obsessive person such as me.
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"I really don't know and I really don't care. Perhaps you can explain it, as it is obviously something that matters an awful lot to you and you seem to spend a lot of time concerning yourself with it?"
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The impression you are trying to give is that the incident I referred to doesn't need an explanation because it's so trivial that it's of interest only to an obsessive person such as me.
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"I really don't know and I really don't care. Perhaps you can explain it, as it is obviously something that matters an awful lot to you and you seem to spend a lot of time concerning yourself with it?"
Which part of what i wrote is untrue?
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Which part of what i wrote is untrue?
It surprises me not that Kate's book, MADELEINE attracted a myriad of duff reviews just as it surprises me not to see a load of vitriol attached to anything in any media mentioning Madeleine and her family which allows comment.
Despite the adverse comments which I haven't bothered to read because I will guarantee they will just be the same old, same old ... Kate's book, MADELEINE achieved precisely what it was intended to ... and replenished the fund set up to pay for the search for Madeleine until the police took over.
Nice one Kate!! Good luck, Madeleine!!
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IMO it still comes across as a defence in need of a trial.
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After all the shit she and her family had flung at them from day one I don’t think it’s massively surprising if Kate comes across as defensive at times, how could she not after all the things she has been accused of? [comments removed]
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After all the shit she and her family had flung at them from day one I don’t think it’s massively surprising if Kate comes across as defensive at times, how could she not after all the things she has been accused of? [comments removed]
It's true that the parents acted against Amaral and the UK media, but most of what you refer to was said on the internet which they don't read, apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/03/gerry-mccann-calls-example-made-vile-internet-trolls
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It's true that the parents acted against Amaral and the UK media, but most of what you refer to was said on the internet which they don't read, apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/03/gerry-mccann-calls-example-made-vile-internet-trolls
I don’t think that most of the examples I wrote was confined to the internet, in any case the hate arrived on the McCanns doorstep on a regular basis delivered there by the Royal Mail. The McCanns may say they don’t read the internet and if they are sensible they don’t but I have no doubt they are well aware of most of the criticisms that are levelled against them. Therefore my point stands - it’s hardly surprising and entirely forgiveable IMO if Kate appears defensive in her book.
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I don’t think that most of the examples I wrote was confined to the internet, in any case the hate arrived on the McCanns doorstep on a regular basis delivered there by the Royal Mail. The McCanns may say they don’t read the internet and if they are sensible they don’t but I have no doubt they are well aware of most of the criticisms that are levelled against them. Therefore my point stands - it’s hardly surprising and entirely forgiveable IMO if Kate appears defensive in her book.
Whatever. It's only your theory, after all. Her defensiveness could have occurred for completely different reasons, couldn't it?
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Whatever. It's only your theory, after all. Her defensiveness could have occurred for completely different reasons, couldn't it?
Like what?
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Whatever. It's only your theory, after all. Her defensiveness could have occurred for completely different reasons, couldn't it?
Yes... It's pointless, speculation
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Yes... It's pointless, speculation
I can’t imagine what Kate McCann was defensive about if not all the accusations levelled at her to do with mothering abilities, her integrity, her moral compass, her actions on holiday, her beliefs, her appearance, her background - what did I leave out?
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Guilt ?
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I can’t imagine what Kate McCann was defensive about if not all the accusations levelled at her to do with mothering abilities, her integrity, her moral compass, her actions on holiday, her beliefs, her appearance, her background - what did I leave out?
But unless you can prove it unequivocally it will not be accepted as probable.... However the slightest suspicion of wrongdoing by the McCann's is accepted as gospel by some
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Guilt ?
Absolutely... Guilt at leaving the children
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I can’t imagine what Kate McCann was defensive about if not all the accusations levelled at her to do with mothering abilities, her integrity, her moral compass, her actions on holiday, her beliefs, her appearance, her background - what did I leave out?
In my opinion you are perfectly capable of imagining what else Kate McCann might have been feeling defensive about.
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Kates book did affect some readers who read it, as we see in the comments. At work I chose not to buy or read it ,but surprisingly, one of my colleagues who never spoke much about it but felt 'heart sorry' for the family as her daughter is 9 days older than MBM. one day she came in and we were discussing some of the contents of the book, to which she accused a colleague of being disgusting. cut a long story short she was given s copy to read to check out for herself what we were discussing.
I can't disclose what she said when she came back on Monday shift! Suffice to say Kate persuaded her and her husband to not feel sorry for her or Gerry again. They read more an more about it, I advised they come to this forum. They got the whole picture!
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Kates book did affect some readers who read it, as we see in the comments. At work I chose not to buy or read it ,but surprisingly, one of my colleagues who never spoke much about it but felt 'heart sorry' for the family as her daughter is 9 days older than MBM. one day she came in and we were discussing some of the contents of the book, to which she accused a colleague of being disgusting. cut a long story short she was given s copy to read to check out for herself what we were discussing.
I can't disclose what she said when she came back on Monday shift! Suffice to say Kate persuaded her and her husband to not feel sorry for her or Gerry again. They read more an more about it, I advised they come to this forum. They got the whole picture!
Strange really, ok for the book but taboo on here.
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In my opinion you are perfectly capable of imagining what else Kate McCann might have been feeling defensive about.
Nope, it’s pretty much all covered in my original post I think.
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Absolutely... Guilt at leaving the children
Which she openly admits to in the book.
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Absolutely... Guilt at leaving the children
It would seem not for long going by their behaviour. She forgave the 'abductor. very quickly and saw the Pope so I would assume she may have felt absolved of any blame. The Pope has that power you know, forgiveness at the highest level ,I mean this is GOD on earth we are told...
What a stunt! 8@??)(
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It surprises me not that Kate's book, MADELEINE attracted a myriad of duff reviews just as it surprises me not to see a load of vitriol attached to anything in any media mentioning Madeleine and her family which allows comment.
Despite the adverse comments which I haven't bothered to read because I will guarantee they will just be the same old, same old ... Kate's book, MADELEINE achieved precisely what it was intended to ... and replenished the fund set up to pay for the search for Madeleine until the police took over.
Nice one Kate!! Good luck, Madeleine!!
Oh B even her name has been took over - by a book yes nice one kmccann haven't you done well.
those reviews do not represent the same old the same old
They are wrote from people who have read her account - not just some news paper article.
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After all the shit she and her family had flung at them from day one I don’t think it’s massively surprising if Kate comes across as defensive at times, how could she not after all the things she has been accused of? [comments removed]
Do you feel the same for gmccann or is it just kmccann.
You should also think about what maddie went through screaming for the parents that never came.
Torment of being apart from twins.
Unimaginable pain of being away from the things she loved
Distress and grief feeling of self worth loneliness
Not knowing why no one is there to comfort her in her hours of need, ect ect ect ect ect ect.
Maddie may never know what it is to wear earrings.
The mccanns have the opportunity to live a normal life - maddie never will imo
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Although Kate's book was entitled 'madeleine' I knew less about her after reading it than I did about the twins.
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Although Kate's book was entitled 'madeleine' I knew less about her after reading it than I did about the twins.
Well said G. That is exactly what my colleague and her husband mentioned, along with a few other 'interesting' revelations , which could have been unintentional subliminal sentences.
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Do you feel the same for gmccann or is it just kmccann.
You should also think about what maddie went through screaming for the parents that never came.
Torment of being apart from twins.
Unimaginable pain of being away from the things she loved
Distress and grief feeling of self worth loneliness
Not knowing why no one is there to comfort her in her hours of need, ect ect ect ect ect ect.
Maddie may never know what it is to wear earrings.
The mccanns have the opportunity to live a normal life - maddie never will imo
Gerry McCann hasn’t written a book, that’s why I didn’t reference his alleged defensiveness.
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Although Kaye's book was entitled 'madeleine' I knew less about her after reading it than I did about the twins.
What would you have liked to know about Madeleine that you didn’t feel was covered in the book? Personally I don’t recall any details about the twins after reading the book. Madeleine’s personality comes through much more clearly than theirs IMO.
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Does that mean you are more interested in your point - than what maddie went through IF abducted.
That's not to be contemplated on this forum - verboten
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What would you have liked to know about Madeleine that you didn’t feel was covered in the book? Personally I don’t recall any details about the twins after reading the book. Madeleine’s personality comes through much more clearly than theirs IMO.
Well IMO it was called Madeleine as a good marketing ploy - people wanted to know about maddie not kmccann
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Well IMO it was called Madeleine as a good marketing ploy - people wanted to know about maddie not kmccann
At only nearly four years of age there won't have been a lot to tell.
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It would seem not for long going by their behaviour. She forgave the 'abductor. very quiclky and saw the pope so I would assume she may have felt absolved of any blame. The pope has that power you know, forgiveness at the highest level ,I mean this is GOD on earth we are told...
What a stunt! 8@??)(
Who told you that nonsense?
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At only nearly four years of age there won't have been a lot to tell.
Hence why call the book Madeleine, if it isn't about Madeleine, and she just gets a mention here and there?
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Does that mean you are more interested in your point - than what maddie went through IF abducted.
You don’t believe Madeleine was abducted so I’ve no idea why you are trying to deflect from the discussion with your imaginings.
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Hence why call the book Madeleine, if it isn't about Madeleine, and she just gets a mention here and there?
How important is, this to you... It seems every wird Kate utters is worth a paragraph
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A book solely about Madeleine’s first nearly 4 years of life - is this what people bought the book to read about? Seriously??
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This book is concerned with Kate McCann and why she felt the need to write a book, hence on this thread that is what I am discussing.
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This book is concerned with Kate McCann and why she felt the need to write a book, hence on this thread that is what I am discussing.
But to be fair VS, YOU and other supporters are very keen to be vocal about what people say about Kate n Gerry , We are constantly told about how they felt even though the writers of those posts, including you, have no notion of how they actually felt, the very idea is hilarious, if it weren't so bloody serious. They may claim to have 'felt this or that, but to KNOW how they felt only they know that! So, with all this; only asking questions ('how would you feel if ..... ') mawkish cr@p being asked of non supporters, it beggars belief that you have no interest in how a three year old child was/is feeling. it's all about the parents huh.
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A book solely about Madeleine’s first nearly 4 years of life - is this what people bought the book to read about? Seriously??
The sun headlines about their sex life obviously had an impact- why that was in the book about a 4 year old child is beyond me. They book should not have been called after a child if the book was not about the child. Cashing in on their daughters name comes to mind of many I speak with.
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@)(++(* you are funny VS
Well i will leave that to you ...you have more time on your hands than me.
Iget too engrossed reading the comments just pointing out 5 star does not necessarily mean they are for the writer.
I think your percentage is way out - like they say dont judge a book by its cover.. like u do with kate imo
It's about time you just admitted you are wrong. I would think better of you if you did tbh.
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A book solely about Madeleine’s first nearly 4 years of life - is this what people bought the book to read about? Seriously??
Some of the people complaining about Kate's book, probably if the truth be known, haven't actually bought it or read it.
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Yes but you do ..what is your imaginings then what she went through
Or are you just concerned with kmccan imo
Have you read Kate's book cover to cover?
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Some of the people complaining about Kate's book, probably if the truth be known, haven't actually bought it or read it.
I think the same will apply to Amaral's book.
Didn't some McCann (possibly Wright) trial witness say something to the effect that (s)he didn't need to read it to know what was it it ?
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I think the same will apply to Amaral's book.
Didn't some McCann (possibly Wright) trial witness say something to the effect that (s)he didn't need to read it to know what was it it ?
Amaral's book was on line in NZ and was relatively short compared to Kate's book.
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Why Kate McCann felt the need to mention Madeleine's genitalia has always bothered me. I mean what the hell was all that about??
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After all the shit she and her family had flung at them from day one I don’t think it’s massively surprising if Kate comes across as defensive at times, how could she not after all the things she has been accused of? [comments removed]
And this thread is just another opportunity for this "shit"to be repeated.
I never fail to be shocked at the venom directed towards Kate.
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Are you surprised. This forum is primarily about the McCanns so you would expect most threads to be discussing their actions.
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Why Kate McCann felt the need to mention Madeleine's genitalia has always bothered me. I mean what the hell was all that about??
thats how doctors speak ...that is quite normal for a doctor
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Are you surprised. This forum is primarily about the McCanns so you would expect most threads to be discussing their actions.
Of course I'm not surprised, though this forum is actually about the disappearance of Madeleine not Kate and Gerry specifically.
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Of course I'm not surprised, though this forum is actually about the disappearance of Madeleine not Kate and Gerry specifically.
Indeed, but so little is known about Madeleine that there's not much to discuss.
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I have quickly skim read the first three chapters of Madeleine.
So far I have learned that Madeleine loved playing on the swings and slide.
She loved blowing bubbles, painting and visiting a farm where she liked to feed the sheep, swing on a rope and talk to Farmer John.
She enjoyed and was very good at role play, was a confident little girl who enjoyed shared reading.
She loved ice cream and tea biscuits.
She liked to put on her mum's rings and from photographs in the book we can see she spent time with her grandparents.
She was beginning to count, not just reciting the sequence but counting one to one.
She loved the songs, She'll be coming round the mountain and You are my sunshine.
She had a natural curiosity and was very observant for her age.
She enjoyed watching Dr Who with her daddy and played Harry Potter role play games.
In Amsterdam she and her mum went to two mother and toddler groups.
She went to the Park with her mum and to a little cafe.
Sometimes they watched a film and ate cake.
So to say that the book tells us nothing about Madeleine is in my opinion an unfair and untrue accusation.
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I have quickly skim read the first three chapters of Madeleine.
So far I have learned that Madeleine loved playing on the swings and slide.
She loved blowing bubbles, painting and visiting a farm where she liked to feed the sheep, swing on a rope and talk to Farmer John.
She enjoyed and was very good at role play, was a confident little girl who enjoyed shared reading.
She loved ice cream and tea biscuits.
She liked to put on her mum's rings and from photographs in the book we can see she spent time with her grandparents.
She was beginning to count, not just reciting the sequence but counting one to one.
She loved the songs, She'll be coming round the mountain and You are my sunshine.
She had a natural curiosity and was very observant for her age.
She enjoyed watching Dr Who with her daddy and played Harry Potter role play games.
In Amsterdam she and her mum went to two mother and toddler groups.
She went to the Park with her mum and to a little cafe.
Sometimes they watched a film and ate cake.
So to say that the book tells us nothing about Madeleine is in my opinion an unfair and untrue accusation.
So shall we have a 10 page discussion about her likes and dislikes in ice cream flavours ?
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I have quickly skim read the first three chapters of Madeleine.
So far I have learned that Madeleine loved playing on the swings and slide.
She loved blowing bubbles, painting and visiting a farm where she liked to feed the sheep, swing on a rope and talk to Farmer John.
She enjoyed and was very good at role play, was a confident little girl who enjoyed shared reading.
She loved ice cream and tea biscuits.
She liked to put on her mum's rings and from photographs in the book we can see she spent time with her grandparents.
She was beginning to count, not just reciting the sequence but counting one to one.
She loved the songs, She'll be coming round the mountain and You are my sunshine.
She had a natural curiosity and was very observant for her age.
She enjoyed watching Dr Who with her daddy and played Harry Potter role play games.
In Amsterdam she and her mum went to two mother and toddler groups.
She went to the Park with her mum and to a little cafe.
Sometimes they watched a film and ate cake.
So to say that the book tells us nothing about Madeleine is in my opinion an unfair and untrue accusation.
People see what they want to see and ignore that which doesn't suit.
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So shall we have a 10 page discussion about her likes and dislikes in ice cream flavours ?
There are some people who seem to think this book should be only about Madeleine so we could criticise Kate perhaps for not including a whole chapter on Madeleine's ice cream preferences if you like?
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I have quickly skim read the first three chapters of Madeleine.
So far I have learned that Madeleine loved playing on the swings and slide.
She loved blowing bubbles, painting and visiting a farm where she liked to feed the sheep, swing on a rope and talk to Farmer John.
She enjoyed and was very good at role play, was a confident little girl who enjoyed shared reading.
She loved ice cream and tea biscuits.
She liked to put on her mum's rings and from photographs in the book we can see she spent time with her grandparents.
She was beginning to count, not just reciting the sequence but counting one to one.
She loved the songs, She'll be coming round the mountain and You are my sunshine.
She had a natural curiosity and was very observant for her age.
She enjoyed watching Dr Who with her daddy and played Harry Potter role play games.
In Amsterdam she and her mum went to two mother and toddler groups.
She went to the Park with her mum and to a little cafe.
Sometimes they watched a film and ate cake.
So to say that the book tells us nothing about Madeleine is in my opinion an unfair and untrue accusation.
A whole book and that is all - so it isn't about Madeleine- although she does get a mention here and there?
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I've read the book , I don't know why she wanted to write it , it didnt add much to the solving of the case
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So shall we have a 10 page discussion about her likes and dislikes in ice cream flavours ?
If you feel the need to!
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People see what they want to see and ignore that which doesn't suit.
Almost all of that lot could apply to any 4 year old, so nothing much to see.
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If you feel the need to!
No thank you. I don't feel the need to discuss any of the trivial items on your list.
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A whole book and that is all - so it isn't about Madeleine- although she does get a mention here and there?
What more do you feel you should be told about her?
Why do you need to know more?
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I've read the book , I don't know why she wanted to write it , it didnt add much to the solving of the case
I don't suppose that was its intent.
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Almost all of that lot could apply to any 4 year old, so nothing much to see.
4 year olds lead fairly uneventful lives, full of not very interesting detail on the whole IMO. Imagine a biogaraphy of your own 4 year old - what details would you have filled it with that complete strangers would be interested in reading about?
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I've read the book , I don't know why she wanted to write it , it didnt add much to the solving of the case
She probably wanted to write it to give her own account of events. This was a case with intense public interest and it seems it was quite a successful book even if you found it lacking.
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No thank you. I don't feel the need to discuss any of the trivial items on your list.
Were you expecting greater details of her personality and achievements?
Having being the recipient of many pre school reports on children entering primary school, I would have found the "trivial items" quite informative.
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Almost all of that lot could apply to any 4 year old, so nothing much to see.
Sadly a lot of that would not apply to some four year olds.
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How would you measure its success? In terms of sales, its impact upon the literary world, or for its PR effect ?
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I;'d measure it's success in helping the case
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This is a discussion forum about the McCanns. Some of us discuss the case and the information we have to hand, we de construct- reverse engineer, if you prefer, the stories of those involved , who were there when we were notified that MBM 'disappeared.
It is a fact that supporters feel sorry for the parents and protect their 'feeling's at all cost. When 'feelings' and behaviours are discussed which contradict the supporters[which in itself is fine] they go off on a tangent.
Accusing their debating opponents of being 'evil trolls', 'McCANN Bashing'.
You are quite wrong to accuse fellow members of creating threads which are started here with the ultimate aim of criticising and casting doubt upon the McCanns. They did that themselves!
I will not apologise for doubting the McCanns, and sometimes I will criticise where the thread calls for it. There is nothing wrong with that either.
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How would you measure its success? In terms of sales, its impact upon the literary world, or for its PR effect ?
In terms of the amount of cash it raised for the Fund.
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This is a discussion forum about the McCanns. Some of us discuss the case and the information we have to hand, we de construct- reverse engineer, if you prefer, the stories of those involved , who were there when we were notified that MBM 'disappeared.
It is a fact that supporters feel sorry for the parents and protect their 'feeling's at all cost. When 'feelings' and behaviours are discussed which contradict the supporters[which in itself is fine] they go off on a tangent.
Accusing their debating opponents of being 'evil trolls', 'McCANN Bashing'.
You are quite wrong to accuse fellow members of creating threads which are started here with the ultimate aim of criticising and casting doubt upon the McCanns. They did that themselves!
I will not apologise for doubting the McCanns, and sometimes I will criticise where the thread calls for it. There is nothing wrong with that either.
You do rather go OTT at times.
And to add to our previous exchange of posts.......the Pope is not God's representative on earth, nor does he forgive sins.
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I;'d measure it's success in helping the case
In that case I think we are probably in the region of nil points.
Welcome to the bear-pit by the way ()678%
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In terms of the amount of cash it raised for the Fund.
And it certainly was successful in that aim.
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I;'d measure it's success in helping the case
If you accept that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, it's not likely that a book by her mother is going to help solve the case. If on the other hand you think Kate knows exactly what happened to Madeleine what makes you think she would reveal all in a book about the disappearance?!
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If you accept that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, it's not likely that a book by her mother is going to help solve the case. If on the other hand you think Kate knows exactly what happened to Madeleine what makes you think she would reveal all in a book about the disappearance?!
Quite right, it's the sort of knowledge you would have expected her to tell the police about.
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And it certainly was successful in that aim.
Shame it was mostly wasted on a futile legal battle.
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Shame it was mostly wasted on a futile legal battle.
Do you have a cite for how much has been "wasted"?
Or is "mostly" as accurate as you can be?
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Do you have a cite for how much has been "wasted"?
Or is "mostly" as accurate as you can be?
I don't have figures which is why I used mostly. The annual company statements don't give such breakdowns on expenditure.
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Do you have a cite for how much has been "wasted"?
Or is "mostly" as accurate as you can be?
It’s the same “mostly” as Kizzy was using to describe the 5 star reviews the book had on Amazon - they were “mostly” about the delivery times and packaging, don’t you know!
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I don't have figures which is why I used mostly. The annual company statements don't give such breakdowns on expenditure.
Could you define what you mean by "mostly" please?
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If I were to write a book in those circumstances it would be to try to find my daughter so I expected it to be the same , I do not suspect the McCanns btw
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If I were to write a book in those circumstances it would be to try to find my daughter so I expected it to be the same , I do not suspect the McCanns btw
How would writing a book help you find your missing daughter, apart from by raising money to fund a private investigation?
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How would writing a book help you find your missing daughter, apart from by raising money to fund a private investigation?
Well that was part of the justification back in 2010.
Her husband added: "We are hopeful that this book may help the investigation to find Madeleine in other ways, too. Our hope is that it may prompt those who have relevant information – knowingly or not – to come forward and share it with our team. Somebody holds that key piece of the jigsaw."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/15/mcanns-book-search-madeleine
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Well that was part of the justification back in 2010.
Her husband added: "We are hopeful that this book may help the investigation to find Madeleine in other ways, too. Our hope is that it may prompt those who have relevant information – knowingly or not – to come forward and share it with our team. Somebody holds that key piece of the jigsaw."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/15/mcanns-book-search-madeleine
Fair enough, though i’m not quite sure that’s what Indigo J meant.
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Fair enough, though i’m not quite sure that’s what Indigo J meant.
Funny I thought that’s exactly what they meant.
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Funny I thought that’s exactly what they meant.
Well perhaps they can explain in what way the book failed to help the search for Madeleine then.
ETA earlier he or she lamented the fact that the book did not help solve the case - who in their right minds would have expected it to?
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Well perhaps they can explain in what way the book failed to help the search for Madeleine then.
Explain what way it helped ?
Pressure applied to Cameron by Brooks ( I believe it entailed threats to publish front pages about Theresa May for a week ) was what brought about the review. It was absolutely nothing to do with the book if that’s what you are trying to imply.
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Faithlily, it was exactly what I meant!
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Could you define what you mean by "mostly" please?
I think it's self explanatory. However if you want a definition - https://www.google.com/search?q=mostly+meaning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b
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How would writing a book help you find your missing daughter, apart from by raising money to fund a private investigation?
Except the book was published in 2011, since which time the investigation has been in the hands of Operation Grange , so no additional costs for private detectives
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Faithlily, it was exactly what I meant!
Welcome BTW.
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I've read the book , I don't know why she wanted to write it , it didnt add much to the solving of the case
It probably made her feel better and added a few bob to the kitty too.
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If I were to write a book in those circumstances it would be to try to find my daughter so I expected it to be the same , I do not suspect the McCanns of killing their daughter btw
Even accidentally?
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thats how doctors speak ...that is quite normal for a doctor
That takes the Biscuit...
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Even accidentally?
no ,even accidentally , no way given the time line and the fact no body has been found.
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Faithlily, it was exactly what I meant!
If that’s the case thrn perhaps you can explain in what way the book failed to do all it could to help the search for Madeleine?
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Explain what way it helped ?
Pressure applied to Cameron by Brooks ( I believe it entailed threats to publish front pages about Theresa May for a week ) was what brought about the review. It was absolutely nothing to do with the book if that’s what you are trying to imply.
No it is not what I am trying to imply - I am asking in what way the book failed to live up to the expectations of those who expected it to help solve the case, ie: whould should have been in it that wasn’t?
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No it is not what I am trying to imply - I am asking in what way the book failed to live up to the expectations of those who expected it to help solve the case, ie: whould should have been in it that wasn’t?
The truth may have been a start. All that guff about cadaver scent only lasting 30 days. A quick google would tell you different. Do you think Mrs McCann knows how to google ?
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I've read the book , I don't know why she wanted to write it , it didnt add much to the solving of the case
In my opinion it was written to finance the solving of the case at a time when no police force was making the attempt to do that.
What you have to remember is that the only people active in making the attempt to find Madeleine and the only people with an interest in solving Madeleine's case were at that time her parents.
That takes money and the best way of making that money was to write a book.
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If I were to write a book in those circumstances it would be to try to find my daughter so I expected it to be the same , I do not suspect the McCanns btw
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‘It is a sad fact that not a single police force anywhere is proactively looking for Madeleine (as is the case for many other missing children). I am sure this book will re-energize the search for our daughter and the public will get behind the Find Madeleine campaign once again. It is simply not acceptable that the authorities have given up on Madeleine – especially when no comprehensive review of the case has been undertaken. Our daughter, and whoever took her, are out there. We need your help to find them.’
Gerry McCann, May 2011
... and guess what ... a new chapter opened for Madeleine when the search for her was resumed in 2013. It was a disgracefully long time coming for a little girl the authorities effectively gave up on just months into her disappearance, but come it did both here and in Portugal.
Do you think any police force would be looking for her now and investigating her case without the constant agitating and keeping Madeleine's name alive that her parents have maintained over the years 'cos I certainly don't.
The book was in my opinion a means to an end and in my opinion was therefore a resounding success.
I bought it too and read it despite my sadness at the narrative.
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‘It is a sad fact that not a single police force anywhere is proactively looking for Madeleine (as is the case for many other missing children). I am sure this book will re-energize the search for our daughter and the public will get behind the Find Madeleine campaign once again. It is simply not acceptable that the authorities have given up on Madeleine – especially when no comprehensive review of the case has been undertaken. Our daughter, and whoever took her, are out there. We need your help to find them.’
Gerry McCann, May 2011
... and guess what ... a new chapter opened for Madeleine when the search for her was resumed in 2013. It was a disgracefully long time coming for a little girl the authorities effectively gave up on just months into her disappearance, but come it did both here and in Portugal.
Do you think any police force would be looking for her now and investigating her case without the constant agitating and keeping Madeleine's name alive that her parents have maintained over the years 'cos I certainly don't.
The book was in my opinion a means to an end and in my opinion was therefore a resounding success.
I bought it too and read it despite my sadness at the narrative.
I bought it too and kept it.
I brought it out today to make my earlier post.
My husband noticed it and has decided to read it.
I willl be interested in his view of it as he is not involved in any discussions etc re this case.
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Some members will recall an event a few years ago when a link to the Madeleine book was left up on the forum. A complaint was made to our then service provider and we immediately removed it. That raises an interesting question for me.
Was the promotion of Madeleine's disappearance of less importance to the selling of a few books?
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Some members will recall an event a few years ago when a link to the Madeleine book was left up on the forum. A complaint was made to our then service provider and we immediately removed it. That raises an interesting question for me.
Was the promotion of Madeleine's disappearance of less importance to the selling of a few books?
or ...is it because the forum is openly hostlile towards the mccanns...with a senior moderator here referring to them as ...shit parents
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Some members will recall an event a few years ago when a link to the Madeleine book was left up on the forum. A complaint was made to our then service provider and we immediately removed it. That raises an interesting question for me.
Was the promotion of Madeleine's disappearance of less importance to the selling of a few books?
A very good question John.
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Some members will recall an event a few years ago when a link to the Madeleine book was left up on the forum. A complaint was made to our then service provider and we immediately removed it. That raises an interesting question for me.
Was the promotion of Madeleine's disappearance of less importance to the selling of a few books?
Who made the complaint?
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Who made the complaint?
McCanns representatives.
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McCanns representatives.
So no name?
Could it have been the publisher?
I have to agree with Davel, probably because of the hostile nature of the forum towards the McCanns.
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So no name?
Could it have been the publisher?
I have to agree with Davel, probably because of the hostile nature of the forum towards the McCanns.
I think the forum is as balanced as it can be. Besides if it got the book to a wider audience surely hurt feelings shouldn’t have got in the way.
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I think the forum is as balanced as it can be. Besides if it got the book to a wider audience surely hurt feelings shouldn’t have got in the way.
What do you mean by " as balanced as it can be"
The book was widely publicised with a main display in various bookshops, a news item in newspapers and TV.
I don't imagine for one minute that this forum not having a link allowed would have made the slightest difference to the huge sales the book made.
As yet I am not convinced by John's reply.
Who were these"representatives"
The publishers, or family or lawyers .....who?
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What do you mean by " as balanced as it can be"
The book was widely publicised with a main display in various bookshops, a news item in newspapers and TV.
I don't imagine for one minute that this forum not having a link allowed would have made the slightest difference to the huge sales the book made.
As yet I am not convinced by John's reply.
Who were these"representatives"
The publishers, or family or lawyers .....who?
As there are passionate, opposing sides I think the forum is certainly more balanced than most.
And I agree the link being posted on this forum would have made not the slightest difference to book sales but it would have got the book to a wider audience, that’s if raising awareness of Madeleine’s plight and not just making money was the object.
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What do you mean by " as balanced as it can be"
The book was widely publicised with a main display in various bookshops, a news item in newspapers and TV.
I don't imagine for one minute that this forum not having a link allowed would have made the slightest difference to the huge sales the book made.
As yet I am not convinced by John's reply.
Who were these"representatives"
The publishers, or family or lawyers .....who?
The Carter-Ruck outfit. It backfired though because forum readership exploded.
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Copyright, perhaps.
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Copyright, perhaps.
I I R C seems it was a mistake on there side, this site use to support them
I remember it being discussed on another forum.
The general take on it was they bit a hand that feeds them.
It would appear that the search for Maddie comes a poor second to copyright law.
Only the mccanns can make money on madde
IMO that's the mccanns for you.
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I I R C seems it was a mistake on there side, this site use to support them
I remember it being discussed on another forum.
The general take on it was they bit a hand that feeds them.
It would appear that the search for Maddie comes a poor second to copyright law.
Only the mccanns can make money on madde
IMO that's the mccanns for you.
The Publishers would have had the right to complain.
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The Publishers would have had the right to complain.
Was it the publisher though - did they get C R.
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I I R C seems it was a mistake on there side, this site use to support them
I remember it being discussed on another forum.
The general take on it was they bit a hand that feeds them.
It would appear that the search for Maddie comes a poor second to copyright law.
Only the mccanns can make money on madde
IMO that's the mccanns for you.
Oh! I don't know about that.
Amaral must have earned a few bob with his book and documentaries and TV appearances.
Is it in a fund for Madeleine?
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Was it the publisher though - did they get C R.
I don't know. But I doubt that it was The McCanns personally.
It is perfectly understandable to me that The Publishers would have used Carter Ruck to issue a Copyright Warning.
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I don't know. But I doubt that it was The McCanns personally.
It is perfectly understandable to me that The Publishers would have used Carter Ruck to issue a Copyright Warning.
Thats if they did its only your guess - opinion
C R are the mccann lawyers.
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Thats if they did its only your guess - opinion
C R are the mccann lawyers.
Of course. We all know this. But The Publishers have their own rights to protect. Why not Carter Ruck since they know the case inside out.
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Of course. We all know this. But The Publishers have their own rights to protect. Why not Carter Ruck since they know the case inside out.
Didn't do a very good job then did they - you can still read it online.
Books on Google Play
Pages displayed by permission of Random House. Copyright.
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Didn't do a very good job then did they - you can still read it online.
Books on Google Play
Pages displayed by permission of Random House. Copyright.
This seems to afford you some glee. Fine, I don't have a problem with that.
I have never read either Kate's book or that of Goncalo Amaral. I have never needed to. All of the apparently interesting stuff is on this Forum anyway. Picked over and shredded interminably.
Thank God we had something to talk about is all I can say.
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Oh! I don't know about that.
Amaral must have earned a few bob with his book and documentaries and TV appearances.
Is it in a fund for Madeleine?
Did he say it would be ?
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Did he say it would be ?
No.
Alice has made a post which has clarified everything.
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No.
Alice has made a post which has clarified everything.
Good. Glad everything was clarified.
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Good. Glad everything was clarified.
Indeed.
All quite clear now.
The money donated by folk here to Amarals fighting fund is staying with whoever has it now.
The money earned by Amaral with his book about Madeleine's disappearance, his TV appearances about Madeleine's disappearance and his documentary about Madeleine's disappearance is his.
All very clear.
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Indeed.
All quite clear now.
The money donated by folk here to Amarals fighting fund is staying with whoever has it now.
The money earned by Amaral with his book about Madeleine's disappearance, his TV appearances about Madeleine's disappearance and his documentary about Madeleine's disappearance is his.
All very clear.
It always has been clear, what was the confusion? the fighting fund money will not touch Amarals pockets, it is in a 'fund' ie account. to be used for legal fees and anything left over will be given to charity.
Amaral has a family to support as well as himself - he was left penniless almost because of the McCanns actions.
And let us remind ourselves of his crime to be h ated so much by so few... He wrote about the thesis of an investigation of which he was a part of. HE didn't kill babies or torture kittens let us be clear about that and keep things in perspective.
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It always has been clear, what was the confusion? the fighting fund money will not touch Amarals pockets, it is in a 'fund' ie account. to be used for legal fees and anything left over will be given to charity.
Amaral has a family to support as well as himself - he was left penniless almost because of the McCanns actions.
And let us remind ourselves of his crime to be h ated so much by so few... He wrote about the thesis of an investigation of which he was a part of. HE didn't kill babies or torture kittens let us be clear about that and keep things in perspective.
And who controls the fighting fund?
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And who controls the fighting fund?
... and why is it relevant to Kate’s Book?
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... and why is it relevant to Kate’s Book?
The inference is that poor suffering Kate McCann wrote her book purely to raise funds to continue the search for her missing daughter. Despite her natural reserve and desire for privacy she shared details about her life for Madeleine's sake, not for any other reason.
The Fund needed the money and Kate donated every penny the book earned, we are told. We don't know how much she earned, of course, or how much of it was donated. Those details haven't been shared. We also don't know why she felt the need to place a restriction on the use of the money. Although she's a director of the Fund she seems to have felt the need to restrict the use to which the book earnings were/are put. Does she not trust her fellow directors to spend the money wisely?
On the other hand, of course, nasty vindictive Amaral wrote a book and kept the money for himself, just as many others did. The difference was that he wrote about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance rather than writing a book defending her parents.
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The inference is that poor suffering Kate McCann wrote her book purely to raise funds to continue the search for her missing daughter. Despite her natural reserve and desire for privacy she shared details about her life for Madeleine's sake, not for any other reason.
The Fund needed the money and Kate donated every penny the book earned, we are told. We don't know how much she earned, of course, or how much of it was donated. Those details haven't been shared. We also don't know why she felt the need to place a restriction on the use of the money. Although she's a director of the Fund she seems to have felt the need to restrict the use to which the book earnings were/are put. Does she not trust her fellow directors to spend the money wisely?
On the other hand, of course, nasty vindictive Amaral wrote a book and kept the money for himself, just as many others did. The difference was that he wrote about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance rather than writing a book defending her parents.
No, he wrote a book specifically accusing her parents, slight difference.
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No, he wrote a book specifically accusing her parents, slight difference.
No, he wrote a book describing the investigation to the point he was moved. Big difference.
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No, he wrote a book specifically accusing her parents, slight difference.
Hardly surprising as he wrote about the investigation which specifically accused her parents.
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No, he wrote a book describing the investigation to the point he was moved. Big difference.
The investigation never reached the conclusion it was possible to prove maddie died in the apartment
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No, he wrote a book describing the investigation to the point he was moved. Big difference.
My observation was in relation to G-unit’s description of his book being about Madeleine’s disappearance and “not defending her parents”. I was pointing out that it was more than that, it was a direct accusation.
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The inference is that poor suffering Kate McCann wrote her book purely to raise funds to continue the search for her missing daughter. Despite her natural reserve and desire for privacy she shared details about her life for Madeleine's sake, not for any other reason.
The Fund needed the money and Kate donated every penny the book earned, we are told. We don't know how much she earned, of course, or how much of it was donated. Those details haven't been shared. We also don't know why she felt the need to place a restriction on the use of the money. Although she's a director of the Fund she seems to have felt the need to restrict the use to which the book earnings were/are put. Does she not trust her fellow directors to spend the money wisely?
On the other hand, of course, nasty vindictive Amaral wrote a book and kept the money for himself, just as many others did. The difference was that he wrote about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance rather than writing a book defending her parents.
I've always thought Amaral should donate his profits to the fighting fund.
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No, he wrote a book specifically accusing her parents, slight difference.
The slight difference imo he didn't need to get self preservation across.
He was the lead detective - as you know.
He was involved with the case.
He knew all that was going on.
He was accusing her parents because that is the conclusion he made.
He believes the parents was involved...that is why he wrote the book
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I've always thought Amaral should donate his profits to the fighting fund.
As he didn't think the search was going to find anyone, why would he do that? It makes more sense to suggest that Summers and Swan and Danny Collins should have donated their profits to the Fund.
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The slight difference imo he didn't need to get self preservation across.
He was the lead detective - as you know.
He was involved with the case.
He knew all that was going on.
He was accusing her parents because that is the conclusion he made.
He believes the parents was involved...that is why he wrote the book
He believed eddie found a dead body under a slab of concrete in Jersey... He believed Eddie had help solve 200 cases... Amaral got quite a lot wrong
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The slight difference imo he didn't need to get self preservation across.
He was the lead detective - as you know.
He was involved with the case.
He knew all that was going on.
He was accusing her parents because that is the conclusion he made.
He believes the parents was involved...that is why he wrote the book
IMO his book was an exercise in self-defence.
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IMO his book was an exercise in self-defence.
NO NO NO NO - he didn't need to defend his self
He had to walk away from the investigation,
But he wasn't going to walk away from what he believes - the mccanns did.
So he did the only thing he could do ...write abook
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IMO his book was an exercise in self-defence.
And an opportunity to make money.
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And an opportunity to make money.
Is there anything wrong with that?
people who write books do it with the hope of making money
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And an opportunity to make money.
To try and get to the truth about what happened to maddie.
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To try and get to the truth about what happened to maddie.
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i dont think he cared in the slightest about maddie.....
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i dont think he cared in the slightest about maddie.....
Agreed.
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Is there anything wrong with that?
people who write books do it with the hope of making money
He showed a lack of integrity. In my opinion.
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i dont think he cared in the slightest about maddie.....
He didn't know maddie
It was G A's job to investigate what happened to her.
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He believed eddie found a dead body under a slab of concrete in Jersey... He believed Eddie had help solve 200 cases... Amaral got quite a lot wrong
Are they facts - or just ur opinion.
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Are they facts - or just ur opinion.
He states them in his book as facts... They are not even opinion... Just not true
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He showed a lack of integrity. In my opinion.
And Kate talking about her sex life added to her integrity how ? Or was it simply that she knew that if the book was serialised in the Sun she’d needed to put in some titilation ?
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And Kate talking about her sex life added to her integrity how ? Or was it simply that she knew that if the book was serialised in the Sun she’d needed to put in some titilation ?
She talked about the effect of Madeleine's abduction (imo) on their family life and how she found it difficult to resume a physical relationship with her husband because as you can imagine the dreadful thoughts of what might be happening physically to Madeleine rather inhibitted the resumption of the intimate part of their relationship.
She told of how she had to remind herself of how much she loved her husband and how she appreciated all his qualities.
With these coping mechanisms they managed to regain their intimacy.
It was very short passage in a very lengthy book
If you find it titillating,. I didn't
Is that the sum total of the titillating details of their sex life?
Are there more titillating details which I have missed?
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She talked about the effect of Madeleine's abduction (imo) on their family life and how she found it difficult to resume a physical relationship with her husband because as you can imagine the dreadful thoughts of what might be happening physically to Madeleine rather inhibitted the resumption of the intimate part of their relationship.
She told of how she had to remind herself of how much she loved her husband and how she appreciated all his qualities.
With these coping mechanisms they managed to regain their intimacy.
It was very short passage in a very lengthy book
If you find it titillating,. I didn't
Is that the sum total of the titillating details of their sex life?
Are there more titillating details which I have missed?
I have no idea. I am talking about the passages particularly focused on in the Sun.
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I have no idea. I am talking about the passages particularly focused on in the Sun.
What passages were printed in the Sun
I read the book but not the Sun
Were extra passages about their sex life written exclusively for the Sun readership?
Have you read Kate's book?
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What passages were printed in the Sun
I read the book but not the Sun
Were extra passages about their sex life written exclusively for the Sun readership?
Knowing what the Sun is like, they probably included pictures. 8)-)))
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What passages were printed in the Sun
I read the book but not the Sun
Were extra passages about their sex life written exclusively for the Sun readership?
Have you read Kate's book?
No extra passages, just a particular focus....well this is the Sun after all.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/534451/i-couldnt-make-love-to-gerry/
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No extra passages, just a particular focus....well this is the Sun after all.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/534451/i-couldnt-make-love-to-gerry/
Have you read Kate's book?
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And Kate talking about her sex life added to her integrity how ? Or was it simply that she knew that if the book was serialised in the Sun she’d needed to put in some titilation ?
Nasty comment, but presumably in your opinion.
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Have you read Kate's book?
Yes I have, why ?
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Nasty comment, but presumably in your opinion.
And the comment being nasty is IYO.
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Yes I have, why ?
Well, you will know then that that is the only piece of " titillation " in the book.
How disappointing that must be to some.
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Well, you will know then that that is the only piece of " titillation " in the book.
How disappointing that must be to some.
And how unlucky for the McCanns that that is the story the Sun ran with.
Imagine you are hoping to hear more about Madeleine’s disappearance and all you get is her mother’s whinging about the effect of her child’s abduction on her sex life. Absolutely appalling.
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And the comment being nasty is IYO.
Not really. No. I could have deleted your comment, but I mostly prefer not to.
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Not really. No. I could have deleted your comment, but I mostly prefer not to.
Yes really.
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And Kate talking about her sex life added to her integrity how ? Or was it simply that she knew that if the book was serialised in the Sun she’d needed to put in some titilation ?
How would Kate know in advance that the book she was writing would be serialised in the Sun? How is what she wrote in any way, shape or form "titillating"? Is "not being in the mood" titillating to you? Now if she was describing the reverse you might have a point...
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And how unlucky for the McCanns that that is the story the Sun ran with.
Imagine you are hoping to hear more about Madeleine’s disappearance and all you get is her mother’s whinging about the effect of her child’s abduction on her sex life. Absolutely appalling.
What are you absolutely appalled by now Mrs Woodhouse?
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How would Kate know in advance that the book she was writing would be serialised in the Sun? How is what she wrote in any way, shape or form "titillating"? Is "not being in the mood" titillating to you? Now if she was describing the reverse you might have a point...
I believe that while the book was being written the deal was struck. If the sections weren’t meant to titilate why use them so prominently ? Surely there was other sections that could have been used.....sections that were actually about Madeleine.
The truth is sex sells...especially in rags like the Sun....and the McCanns sold their most personal feelings for a few seckels.
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What are you absolutely appalled by now Mrs Woodhouse?
I don’t think you have to be Mrs Whitehouse ( Mrs Woodhouse was the dog trainer I believe ) to find selling up your sex life to the highest bidder nasty.
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I believe that while the book was being written the deal was struck. If the sections weren’t meant to titilate why use them so prominently ? Surely there was other sections that could have been used.....sections that were actually about Madeleine.
The truth is sex sells...especially in rags like the Sun....and the McCanns sold their most personal feelings for a few seckels.
Do you have a cite for a deal being struck while the book was still being written? Serialised implies there was more than one excerpt of the book published in the Sun over several days, therefore the passage you found so titillating couldn't have been the only one used. Any idea what the other excerpts were?
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Yes really.
In Your Opinion.
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I don’t think you have to be Mrs Whitehouse ( Mrs Woodhouse was the dog trainer I believe ) to find selling up your sex life to the highest bidder nasty.
Walkies! You're quite right - I got my daft old 70s biddies mixed up. So in your opinion Kate McCann sold her (lack of) sex life to the highest bidder, who else was in this bidding war then?
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Do you have a cite for a deal being struck while the book was still being written? Serialised implies there was more than one excerpt of the book published in the Sun over several days, therefore the passage you found so titillating couldn't have been the only one used. Any idea what the other excerpts were?
No idea I don’t read the Sun.
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No idea I don’t read the Sun.
You appear to know all about the juicy (lack of) sex life story though!
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You appear to know all about the juicy (lack of) sex life story though!
You have heard of this new invention called the internet haven’t you ?
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The Sun serialised Kate's book over 6 days, starting on Saturday 5th May 2011. The excerpt that gave Faithlilly such a fit of the vapours appeared on the 10th May, there were 5 other headlines, here are 3 of them. It wasn't all about the (lack of) sex, no matter what some would have you believe!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/529505/maddie-mum-my-torture/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/531699/i-smashed-bed-in-rage-at-cops/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/532982/did-they-expect-me-to-confess-to-a-crime-they-had-made-up/
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You have heard of this new invention called the internet haven’t you ?
How droll. I'm just wondering why, if you heard about one of the Sun excerpts, that you know nothing of the others.
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The Sun serialised Kate's book over 6 days, starting on Saturday 5th May 2011. The excerpt that gave Faithlilly such a fit of the vapours appeared on the 10th May, there were 5 other headlines, here are 3 of them. It wasn't all about the (lack of) sex, no matter what some would have you believe!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/529505/maddie-mum-my-torture/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/531699/i-smashed-bed-in-rage-at-cops/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/532982/did-they-expect-me-to-confess-to-a-crime-they-had-made-up/
Context dear boy...context. You leave your children alone to socialise and as a result one is allegedly abducted and you are complaining about the effect it has had on your sex life. Can’t you see how self indulgent that might appear ?
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Context dear boy...context. You leave your children alone to socialise and as a result one is allegedly abducted and you are complaining about the effect it has had on your sex life. Can’t you see how self indulgent that might appear ?
You use words like "whinge" and "complain" but I don't think that is what Kate is doing. She is IMO writing a truthful, heartfelt account of how the disappearance impacted on her and her family's life. Any autobiographical book is self-indulgent, it assumes people want to read about you and what you experience, think and feel. If you don't like such books don't read 'em. And before you start, it was called "Madeleine", not because it was a book all about the first nearly 4 years of a little girl's life, but because it was a tribute to her, to the fund in her name, and because it was her disappearance that set the whole thing off in the first place and her name was internationally known. A book solely about Madeleine would have not been of interest to most people IMO.
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Context dear boy...context. You leave your children alone to socialise and as a result one is allegedly abducted and you are complaining about the effect it has had on your sex life. Can’t you see how self indulgent that might appear ?
If she was bragging about her abundant sex life then I'd call it indulgent.