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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Luke Mitchell and the murder of his teenage girfriend Jodi Jones on 30 June 2003. => Topic started by: mrswah on March 08, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
Heartily agree. It’s an excellent book. What was your feeling after you read it mrswah?
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Heartily agree. It’s an excellent book. What was your feeling after you read it mrswah?
I think it makes an excellent case for Luke's possible innocence, which is why I would like to read a book by someone who can make a compelling case for his guilt. I am aware that I'm only reading one side, and am therefore, not in a position to take a side-------but it seems that there are a lot of questions to be asked about this case.
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Did Sandra Lean publish Luke Mitchell’s witness statements in full?
And if not why not?
And who fact checked her book?
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Did Sandra Lean publish Luke Mitchell’s witness statements in full?
And if not why not?
And who fact checked her book?
Thankfully not the same people who fact check the tabloid articles you’re so keen on.
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What’s the answer to the questions do you know or not?
Did Sandra Lean publish Luke Mitchell’s witness statements in full?
And if not why not?
And who fact checked her book?
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I got the book a couple of years ago. I thought it had a lot of information and puts forward a good case for reasonable doubt in my opinion.
Sandra did a q and a on her Facebook the other day, looks like it might be a weekly thing. Be a chance for people here to ask stuff direct.
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I got the book a couple of years ago. I thought it had a lot of information and puts forward a good case for reasonable doubt in my opinion.
Sandra did a q and a on her Facebook the other day, looks like it might be a weekly thing. Be a chance for people here to ask stuff direct.
Thanks for that. I'll have a look. I've just caught up with the recent documentary!
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Thanks for that. I'll have a look. I've just caught up with the recent documentary!
The original Frontline Scotland documentary on the case is a good addition to the new documentary.
https://youtu.be/-m-zHEUOFR0
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The original Frontline Scotland documentary on the case is a good addition to the new documentary.
https://youtu.be/-m-zHEUOFR0
Thank you!
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The police have recently been referred to as ‘dirty perverts’ for apparently questioning Luke Mitchell on his ‘sex life’
Does Sandra Lean explore in her book how and why police might do this ?
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The police have recently been referred to as ‘dirty perverts’ for apparently questioning Luke Mitchell on his ‘sex like’
Does Sandra Lean explore in her book how and why police might do this ?
Good question as we are told that there was no sexual element to the crime.
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‘Making a murderer’ superfan Paul Capaldi recently read an excerpt from Sandra Leans book & referred to her as Sandra ‘Lane’ during his podcast via his YouTube channel
However apparently Sandra Lean states in the introduction of her book,
‘Truth seeking is a precarious task and often maligned pursuit - to be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko - these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth’
From my viewpoint - especially in relation to her involvement with Billy Middleton (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712)
& killer Simon Hall - it is Sandra lean who appears to be afraid of the truth
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
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‘Making a murderer’ superfan Paul Capaldi recently read an excerpt from Sandra Leans book & referred to her as Sandra ‘Lane’ during his podcast via his YouTube channel
However apparently Sandra Lean states in the introduction of her book,
‘Truth seeking is a precarious task and often maligned pursuit - to be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko - these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth’
From my viewpoint - especially in relation to her involvement with Billy Middleton (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712)
& killer Simon Hall - it is Sandra lean who appears to be afraid of the truth
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
I don’t know if Sandra Lean goes into the details or gives dates as to when she’s alleged to have been ‘labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko’
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It's all very unseemly. 8(8-))
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For me Sandra Lean does not appear to recognise male violence perpetrated against females
What Sandra Lean failed to tell her readers back in Nov 2010 is that she had told me she had allegedly been abused/assaulted by her then partner - witnessed apparently by one of her daughters - and that their intimate relationship had come to an end after she (And her daughter) had driven him back to the airport and apparently paid for him to fly back to his home in Shetland, as he had no money of his own apparently.
Sandra seemingly chose to dismiss any concern I may have had for her well-being following her disclosure to me of the alleged assault, preferring seemingly to instead dismiss what had occurred between them both - and then for reasons only known to her - chose to blame me for daring to share details of the alleged abuse/assault with one person (Out of concern)
I had already called this man out on his maladaptive behaviors and no longer trusted his motives to be genuine (as is supported by the request to close down Simon Hall's website) and was questioning his guilt in relation to a mysterious fire in his home that claimed the life of his baby daughter Annalise - along with the sexual assault allegations made by his ex wife against him.
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This re Allan Jamieson from 1996 who was also involved in the TV show
‘Sentencing Jamieson, of Gleneagles Avenue, Cumbernauld, Sheriff Iain Simpson, said:
“What this amounts to fundamentally is bullying a lady on the road.
“If we all stopped people on the motorway whose driving we didn't like, then straddled along the hard shoulder would be a queue of people arguing with each other.''
Last night, Mrs Doyle, 34, said: ``I went through hell because of this. The whole experience was shattering. I had to see a psychiatrist and was later put on medication by my GP.''
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12049924.woman-terrified-by-drivers-action-police-suspend-forensic-scientist/
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If anyone has the book and could scan it and upload the PDF, that would be amazing. I don't want to give SL any money but would be interested to read the book and see if there is any more to it than bluster.
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The police have recently been referred to as ‘dirty perverts’ for apparently questioning Luke Mitchell on his ‘sex like’
Does Sandra Lean explore in her book how and why police might do this ?
It was after all Sharon who called the police ‘dirty perverts’
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Any and all allegations of sexual assault relating to male violence against females displays a pattern of behaviour regardless of a conviction
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/21/jane-monckton-smith-in-control-domestic-abuse-murder-public-protection
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Any and all allegations of sexual assault relating to male violence against females displays a pattern of behaviour regardless of a conviction
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/21/jane-monckton-smith-in-control-domestic-abuse-murder-public-protection
Answer the question?
You are not a psychologist and reading a book doesn’t make you one.
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Answer the question?
You are not a psychologist and reading a book doesn’t make you one.
She clearly answered the question already, stop badgering her.
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A further reminder that posts which deviate from the opening post will be removed. TY
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If anyone has the book and could scan it and upload the PDF, that would be amazing. I don't want to give SL any money but would be interested to read the book and see if there is any more to it than bluster.
It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
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It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
I personally don't believe for a minute that Sandra Lean is capable of discriminating between the guilty and the innocent. The evidence of her past endeavours speaks for itself. She previously advocated for at least two cunning murderers and set herself up as a very vocal mouthpiece on their behalf. Both men later confessed to having committed murdering their female victims despite two very high profile campaigns on their behalf. The first of these despicable creatures was wife beater Adrian Prout. He murdered his wife because she talked of divorce and a financial settlement which would probably have meant the sale of their farm. He strangled his wife and buried her in a deep grave on their farm using an excavator, he then pretended that she had run off. The evidence though didn't support this claim.
The second killer was Simon Hall who in reality was later revealed to be a burglar. One early morning though he chose to burglar a private residence not that far from his home, this property was occupied by an old lady who was no threat to anyone. This brave young man murdered the occupier and sexually assaulted her. Hall put up a defence of alibi but over time it began to unravel. During the campaign to have his conviction overturned both Sandra Lean and her then partner Billy Middleton were very much at the helm.
Sandra Lean was very much involved in both the above high profile cases but was proven 100% wrong. I wonder did she ever apologise to the families of both victims for the unnecessary suffering she caused them? There are other examples of her inability to recognise false innocence, in my opinion she should seek a new career.
Her involvement in the Luke Mitchell campaign which started 17 years ago is admirable but the arguments put forward by her are very weak. Could this be 17 years wasted on yet another case of false innocence?
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From my viewpoint - especially in relation to her involvement with Billy Middleton (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712)
& killer Simon Hall - it is Sandra lean who appears to be afraid of the truth
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
I don’t know if Sandra Lean goes into the details or gives dates as to when she’s alleged to have been ‘labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko’
I'm not necessarily a fan of Dr Lean, but I don't doubt she's had all sorts of stick, and it's not nice.
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It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
No, I do not believe Sandra Lean deserves remuneration. She campaigned for two convicted murderers to be released (Adrian Prout, Simon Hall) and shacked up with BM, who should have been convicted.
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Her involvement in the Luke Mitchell campaign which started 17 years ago is admirable but the arguments put forward by her are very weak. Could this be 17 years wasted on yet another case of false innocence?
frustrating to see someone so schooled in psychology succumb to sunk cost fallacy / plan continuation bias but just shows anyone can fall foul
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I personally don't believe for a minute that Sandra Lean is capable of discriminating between the guilty and the innocent. The evidence of her past endeavours speaks for itself. She previously advocated for at least two cunning murderers and set herself up as a very vocal mouthpiece on their behalf. Both men later confessed to having committed murdering their female victims despite two very high profile campaigns on their behalf. The first of these despicable creatures was wife beater Adrian Prout. He murdered his wife because she talked of divorce and a financial settlement which would probably have meant the sale of their farm. He strangled his wife and buried her in a deep grave on their farm using an excavator, he then pretended that she had run off. The evidence though didn't support this claim.
The second killer was Simon Hall who in reality was later revealed to be a burglar. One early morning though he chose to burglar a private residence not that far from his home, this property was occupied by an old lady who was no threat to anyone. This brave young man murdered the occupier and sexually assaulted her. Hall put up a defence of alibi but over time it began to unravel. During the campaign to have his conviction overturned both Sandra Lean and her then partner Billy Middleton were very much at the helm.
Sandra Lean was very much involved in both the above high profile cases but was proven 100% wrong. I wonder did she ever apologise to the families of both victims for the unnecessary suffering she caused them? There are other examples of her inability to recognise false innocence, in my opinion she should seek a new career.
Her involvement in the Luke Mitchell campaign which started 17 years ago is admirable but the arguments put forward by her are very weak. Could this be 17 years wasted on yet another case of false innocence?
To be fair John you yourself have admitted taking part in the campaigns to free both Simon Hall and Luke Mitchell. Did you at anytime consider apologising for the hurt you caused to the family? Do you really not see the irony in berating an individual for following a course of action you yourself took part in?
Further you have a member on this very site who not only married Simon Hall, once he had been convicted, but campaigned vigorously for him, with no thought for his victim’s family, and even when he confessed to her killing and sexually assaulting his victim she still professed to love him.
I think several people need to hold a mirror up to themselves before they start apportioning blame.
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To be fair John you yourself have admitted taking part in the campaigns to free both Simon Hall and Luke Mitchell. Did you at anytime consider apologising for the hurt you caused to the family? Do you really not see the irony in berating an individual for following a course of action you yourself took part in?
Further you have a member on this very site who not only married Simon Hall, once he had been convicted, but campaigned vigorously for him, with no thought for his victim’s family, and even when he confessed to her killing and sexually assaulting his victim she still professed to love him.
I think several people need to hold a mirror up to themselves before they start apportioning blame.
Classic whataboutery.
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To be fair John you yourself have admitted taking part in the campaigns to free both Simon Hall and Luke Mitchell. Did you at anytime consider apologising for the hurt you caused to the family? Do you really not see the irony in berating an individual for following a course of action you yourself took part in?
Further you have a member on this very site who not only married Simon Hall, once he had been convicted, but campaigned vigorously for him, with no thought for his victim’s family, and even when he confessed to her killing and sexually assaulting his victim she still professed to love him.
I think several people need to hold a mirror up to themselves before they start apportioning blame.
I believe the words I used in respect of Luke Mitchell were to the effect that I couldn't believe a 15-year-old could commit such a ghastly crime, the facts and evidence however told a different story. The difference between me and Sandra Lean is that I am prepared to look at the evidence in any case objectively and impartially. Sandra has always been too close to the Mitchell case to be impartial imo. She lives nearby and has been physically threatened on occasion for holding the views she does.
Although I was sympathetic to the Mitchell case early on, I began to see the cracks develop so began to question the campaign and those who were involved in it. I still am not 100% convinced that Luke Mitchell is guilty but the facts and evidence would appear to support that possibility. I can understand how a majority verdict could have been formed in this case but I don't in any event hold with such verdicts as they are not based on the premise of being beyond a reasonable doubt.
The other huge difference between my standpoint and that of Sandra Lean is that I have never blamed others as she does. The last submission to the SCCRC was nothing more than a who-dun-it guide to Easthouses. I think there was a list of about ten suspects at one time, all associated with the case in one way or another. Even if one or even two of these young men were guilty, that leaves a considerable number who have had their names dragged through the mud unnecessarily. That is nothing more than a modern day witch hunt imo.
I have always been sympathetic to the Jones family and have conversed with many of them directly on numerous occasions. I took the time some years ago to visit the crimescene, the surrounding areas of interest and walked the paths and woods which I consider important. I have also visited the graveyard where Jodi and her father are laid to rest and paid my respects. The Jones family to their credit have never been afraid to discuss the case and answer questions unlike some members of the Mitchell family. That in itself has always struck me as being odd.
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I believe the words I used in respect of Luke Mitchell were to the effect that I couldn't believe a 15-year-old could commit such a ghastly crime, the facts and evidence however told a different story. The difference between me and Sandra Lean is that I am prepared to look at the evidence in any case objectively and impartially. Sandra has always been too close to the Mitchell case to be impartial imo. She lives nearby and has been physically threatened on occasion for holding the views she does.
Although I was sympathetic to the Mitchell case early on, I began to see the cracks develop so began to question the campaign and those who were involved in it. I still am not 100% convinced that Luke Mitchell is guilty but the facts and evidence would appear to support that possibility. I can understand how a majority verdict could have been formed in this case but I don't in any event hold with such verdicts as they are not based on the premise of being beyond a reasonable doubt.
The other huge difference between my standpoint and that of Sandra Lean is that I have never blamed others as she does. The last submission to the SCCRC was nothing more than a who-dun-it guide to Easthouses. I think there was a list of about ten suspects at one time, all associated with the case in one way or another. Even if one or even two of these young men were guilty, that leaves a considerable number who have had their names dragged through the mud unnecessarily. That is nothing more than a modern day witch hunt imo.
I have always been sympathetic to the Jones family and have conversed with many of them directly on numerous occasions. I took the time some years ago to visit the crimescene, the surrounding areas of interest and walked the paths and woods which I consider important. I have also visited the graveyard where Jodi and her father are laid to rest and paid my respects. The Jones family to their credit have never been afraid to discuss the case and answer questions unlike some members of the Mitchell family. That in itself has always struck me as being odd.
I cannot compete with people who live in, or who have visited the locality and who have met the families involved !! Such people are very likely to have a much better grasp of the case than I have. However that applies to both John AND Sandra Lean.
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I believe the words I used in respect of Luke Mitchell were to the effect that I couldn't believe a 15-year-old could commit such a ghastly crime, the facts and evidence however told a different story. The difference between me and Sandra Lean is that I am prepared to look at the evidence in any case objectively and impartially. Sandra has always been too close to the Mitchell case to be impartial imo. She lives nearby and has been physically threatened on occasion for holding the views she does.
Although I was sympathetic to the Mitchell case early on, I began to see the cracks develop so began to question the campaign and those who were involved in it. I still am not 100% convinced that Luke Mitchell is guilty but the facts and evidence would appear to support that possibility. I can understand how a majority verdict could have been formed in this case but I don't in any event hold with such verdicts as they are not based on the premise of being beyond a reasonable doubt.
The other huge difference between my standpoint and that of Sandra Lean is that I have never blamed others as she does. The last submission to the SCCRC was nothing more than a who-dun-it guide to Easthouses. I think there was a list of about ten suspects at one time, all associated with the case in one way or another. Even if one or even two of these young men were guilty, that leaves a considerable number who have had their names dragged through the mud unnecessarily. That is nothing more than a modern day witch hunt imo.
I have always been sympathetic to the Jones family and have conversed with many of them directly on numerous occasions. They were never afraid to discuss the case and answer questions unlike some members of the Mitchell family. That in itself has always struck me as being odd.
As the Jones family have been treated with kid gloves even though their statements demonstrably changed over the months subsequent to the murder is it any wonder that they are willing to answer questions when the Mitchell family, who have been vilified and castigated for 18 years, won’t?
I find that odd that you find it odd.
Could you tell me specifically why you think Luke may be guilty? What were the ‘cracks’ that appeared in the case that you weren’t aware of during and immediately after the trial, because you did support him after the trial, didn’t you?
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I have always found that distance has its advantages. If one is to look at any case impartially one cannot afford to get personally involved. The advantage of the forum is that it provides an opportunity to everyone to have their say. Both sides in the Jodi Jones case have chosen to do so to a greater or lesser degree. Named suspects have also chosen to have their say and to put the record straight. They must all be applauded for their efforts.
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As the Jones family have been treated with kid gloves even though their statements demonstrably changed over the months subsequent to the murder is it any wonder that they are willing to answer questions when the Mitchell family, who have been vilified and castigated for 18 years, won’t?
I find that odd that you find it odd.
Could you tell me specifically why you think Luke may be guilty? What were the ‘cracks’ that appeared in the case that you weren’t aware of during and immediately after the trial, because you did support him after the trial, didn’t you?
I have already gone through the circumstantial evidence so I'm not going to repeat it. I will say however that Corinne Mitchell was quite happy to answer questions on the Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton WAP forum until the answers became awkward. She never could explain her eldest son's stance.
As for Luke Mitchell, I believe the word you are looking for is sympathetic and not support. I could never support a campaign where the evidence suggests the opposite. That said, it is by no means certain that he killed Jodi, circumstances do sometimes collude to suggest an outcome where the opposite is true. IMO the police investigation should have gone much further and not been effectively wound up the minute Luke Mitchell was charged with murder.
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I personally don't believe for a minute that Sandra Lean is capable of discriminating between the guilty and the innocent. The evidence of her past endeavours speaks for itself. She previously advocated for at least two cunning murderers and set herself up as a very vocal mouthpiece on their behalf. Both men later confessed to having committed murdering their female victims despite two very high profile campaigns on their behalf. The first of these despicable creatures was wife beater Adrian Prout. He murdered his wife because she talked of divorce and a financial settlement which would probably have meant the sale of their farm. He strangled his wife and buried her in a deep grave on their farm using an excavator, he then pretended that she had run off. The evidence though didn't support this claim.
The second killer was Simon Hall who unbeknownst to his family was a burglar. One early morning though he chose to burglar a private residence not that far from his home, this property was occupied by an old lady who was no threat to anyone. This brave young man murdered the occupier and sexually assaulted her. Hall put up a defence of alibi but over time it began to unravel. During the campaign to have his conviction overturned both Sandra Lean and her then partner Billy Middleton were very much at the helm.
Sandra Lean was very much involved in both the above high profile cases but was proven 100% wrong. I wonder did she ever apologise to the families of both victims for the unnecessary suffering she caused them? There are other examples of her inability to recognise false innocence, in my opinion she should seek a new career.
Her involvement in the Luke Mitchell campaign which started 17 years ago is admirable but the arguments put forward by her are very weak. Could this be 17 years wasted on yet another case of false innocence?
Karen Duff from Capel St Mary ‘bumped into’ an ex girlfriend of Shaun Hall’s - Simon Hall’s brother - in the village of Capel outside a shop in late 2012 apparently
The ex girlfriend told Ms Duff Simon Hall’s mother had said he was innocent of the murder because he was committing a burglary elsewhere on the night JA was murdered (Lynn Hall was referring to the Zenith burglary)
Lynn Hall referred to the Zenith burglary in a letter to Simon Hall before his 2010 appeal
Hardly ‘unbeknownst to his family’ John
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Karen Duff from Capel St Mary ‘bumped into’ an ex girlfriend of Shaun Hall’s - Simon Hall’s brother - in the village of Capel outside a shop in late 2012 apparently
The ex girlfriend told Ms Duff Simon Hall’s mother had said he was innocent of the murder because he was committing a burglary elsewhere on the night JA was murdered (Lynn Hall was referring to the Zenith burglary)
Lynn Hall referred to the Zenith burglary in a letter to Simon Hall before his 2010 appeal
Apologies, it was badly worded, I have corrected.
For the record, can I ask when you first became aware of the burglaries and if that sent alarm bells ringing?
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I personally don't believe for a minute that Sandra Lean is capable of discriminating between the guilty and the innocent. The evidence of her past endeavours speaks for itself. She previously advocated for at least two cunning murderers and set herself up as a very vocal mouthpiece on their behalf. Both men later confessed to having committed murdering their female victims despite two very high profile campaigns on their behalf. The first of these despicable creatures was wife beater Adrian Prout. He murdered his wife because she talked of divorce and a financial settlement which would probably have meant the sale of their farm. He strangled his wife and buried her in a deep grave on their farm using an excavator, he then pretended that she had run off. The evidence though didn't support this claim.
The second killer was Simon Hall who in reality was later revealed to be a burglar. One early morning though he chose to burglar a private residence not that far from his home, this property was occupied by an old lady who was no threat to anyone. This brave young man murdered the occupier and sexually assaulted her. Hall put up a defence of alibi but over time it began to unravel. During the campaign to have his conviction overturned both Sandra Lean and her then partner Billy Middleton were very much at the helm.
Sandra Lean was very much involved in both the above high profile cases but was proven 100% wrong. I wonder did she ever apologise to the families of both victims for the unnecessary suffering she caused them? There are other examples of her inability to recognise false innocence, in my opinion she should seek a new career.
Her involvement in the Luke Mitchell campaign which started 17 years ago is admirable but the arguments put forward by her are very weak. Could this be 17 years wasted on yet another case of false innocence?
Yes, it could be, but , IMO, Sandra's book is full of detail, and gives a compelling case for Luke's possible innocence. As far as I am aware, nobody has set out such a good case for his guilt.
She was wrong about two other high profile cases for possible MOJ's, but she was not the only person to be wrong.
It seems that she has spent far more time looking into Luke's case than into the cases of Adrian Prout and Simon Hall. I don't agree that the arguments she puts forward are weak, either.
However, I cannot claim to be an expert on the case.
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Yes, it could be, but , IMO, Sandra's book is full of detail, and gives a compelling case for Luke's possible innocence. As far as I am aware, nobody has set out such a good case for his guilt.
She was wrong about two other high profile cases for possible MOJ's, but she was not the only person to be wrong.
It seems that she has spent far more time looking into Luke's case than into the cases of Adrian Prout and Simon Hall. I don't agree that the arguments she puts forward are weak, either.
However, I cannot claim to be an expert on the case.
The SCCRC doesn't appear to agree though despite a High Court Judge giving it her backing.
Some of Sandra Lean's arguments are basically flawed. Her refusal to admit that there was an alternative route from the murder scene to the street where Luke lived is typical of the confusion she propagates to support those arguments. It's not that long ago that she denied that a youth matching Luke's description was seen at a gate on Newbattle Road, and at a location which just so happened to be directly across the road from where the western end of the path terminates.
Her reliance on evidence which doesn't exist is her way of promoting the case. The DNA which was missing, the absence of the assailants blood, no fingerprints, no incriminating footprints etc etc...
The absence of any of Jodi's DNA on Luke Mitchell, given that they were together at school that day is also significant.
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Yes, it could be, but , IMO, Sandra's book is full of detail, and gives a compelling case for Luke's possible innocence. As far as I am aware, nobody has set out such a good case for his guilt.
She was wrong about two other high profile cases for possible MOJ's, but she was not the only person to be wrong.
It seems that she has spent far more time looking into Luke's case than into the cases of Adrian Prout and Simon Hall. I don't agree that the arguments she puts forward are weak, either.
However, I cannot claim to be an expert on the case.
No matter what your stance on the case I think everyone can agree that Sandra is the expert and she does indeed make a compelling case for Luke’s innocence. It seems a pity that so many here seem so opposed to reading it.
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The SCCRC doesn't appear to agree though despite a High Court Judge giving it her backing.
How many did Joseph Steele and TC Campbell appeal before their conviction being quashed?
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Apologies, it was badly worded, I have corrected.
For the record, can I ask when you first became aware of the burglaries and if that sent alarm bells ringing?
Yes ‘alarm bells’ did ring when Karen Duff told me about the Zenith burglary on the 5th Nov 2012
I recall saying to Karen on the phone - if he could lie about the burglary he could be lying about the murder
Not long after this Shaun Hall was stating publicly,
“He has a history that he shouldn’t be proud of and to be honest, stolen goods from 11 years ago are the least of his worries
In October 2013 Simon Hall stated,
“I spoke to Pauline and Karen on the phone. I asked them if people still believed I was innocent. I told them that I was innocent and that I confessed because I’d given up. I blamed it on drugs..
I wrote to Ray, Ian (B) and Phoebe because I thought those people would feed into my lies and want to support me. I would have written to Stef B too, but I lost the letter, or threw it away. I asked all 3 of them if they would like to visit me and bring someone with them. I was in ‘desperate’ mode and was reaching out to anyone I thought might believe me, so I could pretend to be innocent again. More lies, more disrespect and shame to add to my increasing list of wrong doings…”
‘Karen’ above ⬆️ is Karen Duff
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No matter what your stance on the case I think everyone can agree that Sandra is the expert and she does indeed make a compelling case for Luke’s innocence. It seems a pity that so many here seem so opposed to reading it.
She's a expert at deceit imo. She's good at writing books though, fantasies.
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She's a expert at deceit imo.
A calculating ‘expert at deceit’ maybe?
She reminds me in some ways of individuals like Billy Middleton, Simon Hall & Jeremy Bamber
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She's a expert at deceit imo. She's good at writing books though, fantasies.
She should write one about setting up a Scottish charity to garner support and collect money, a charity which has now been struck off the register having failed to comply with its regulatory undertakings.
Such an expert! @)(++(* %56&
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She's a expert at deceit imo. She's good at writing books though, fantasies.
Have you read her book?
With the greatest respect John you do come across as rather bitter. Are you angry that your advice, according to you, was rejected several times?
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She's a expert at deceit imo. She's good at writing books though, fantasies.
Sandra Lean made claim in October 2019 she had withdrawn her book ‘No Smoke’ from the publishers (Stephen T Manning/Checkpoint press)
However in a recent podcast with Sharon Sunshine (Liquid Sunshine Crime on YouTube) where ‘No Smoke’ appeared to be again being promoted - she made claim she hasn’t been able to get in touch with the publisher?
Anyone have any idea what’s true and what’s not regarding ‘No Smoke’?
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Sandra Lean made claim in October 2019 she had withdrawn her book ‘No Smoke’ from the publishers (Stephen T Manning/Checkpoint press)
However in a recent podcast with Sharon Sunshine (Liquid Sunshine Crime on YouTube) where ‘No Smoke’ appeared to be again being promoted - she made claim she hasn’t been able to get in touch with the publisher?
Anyone have any idea what’s true and what’s not regarding ‘No Smoke’?
She's always got an excuse. Always someone else's fault. Surely the book should be removed from sale if it includes false or misleading information?
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Yes, it could be, but , IMO, Sandra's book is full of detail, and gives a compelling case for Luke's possible innocence. As far as I am aware, nobody has set out such a good case for his guilt.
She was wrong about two other high profile cases for possible MOJ's, but she was not the only person to be wrong.
It seems that she has spent far more time looking into Luke's case than into the cases of Adrian Prout and Simon Hall. I don't agree that the arguments she puts forward are weak, either.
However, I cannot claim to be an expert on the case.
Apart from a court of law, in front of a jury that returned a guilty verdict and four appeal courts of course.
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No matter what your stance on the case I think everyone can agree that Sandra is the expert and she does indeed make a compelling case for Luke’s innocence. It seems a pity that so many here seem so opposed to reading it.
Is there anything in the book that was left out of the TV documentary?
PS: I thought you disapproved of people making money out of writing about criminal cases like this?
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Have you read her book?
With the greatest respect John you do come across as rather bitter. Are you angry that your advice, according to you, was rejected several times?
I have read extracts from it which were relevant some time ago. As for advice, I was vindicated for taking the stance I did in the Hall and Prout cases. If anyone came away from them looking like an utter fool it was Sandra Lean and her false innocence claims.
Sandra should do as she stated and withdraw the book.
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I have read extracts from it which were relevant some time ago. As for advice, I was vindicated for taking the stance I did in the Hall and Prout cases. If anyone came away from them looking like an utter fool it was Sandra Lean and her false innocence claims.
I mean specifically in the Mitchell case. You, according to yourself, were ignored at least twice when you offered advice to Luke’s campaign. That must sting.
As to the book, perhaps you’d like to read it and let us know what you think Sandra got wrong? Opinion is always more compelling when it comes from knowledge.
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I have read extracts from it which were relevant some time ago. As for advice, I was vindicated for taking the stance I did in the Hall and Prout cases. If anyone came away from them looking like an utter fool it was Sandra Lean and her false innocence claims.
Sandra should do as she stated and withdraw the book.
Sandra Lean has stated many things in relation to her book ‘No Smoke’
For example in January 2017 she stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
‘If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
“In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)
The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.
There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”
Sandra Lean also wrote about killer Gordon Park who’s posthumous appeal was rejected https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf
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I mean specifically in the Mitchell case. You, according to yourself, were ignored at least twice when you offered advice to Luke’s campaign. That must sting.
As to the book, perhaps you’d like to read it and let us know what you think Sandra got wrong? Opinion is always more compelling when it comes from knowledge.
I, too, would love to know what Sandra has got wrong in the book. (I am talking about "Innocents Betrayed", not "No Smoke").
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I, too, would love to know what Sandra has got wrong in the book. (I am talking about "Innocents Betrayed", not "No Smoke").
Unfortunately I think that we’ll have a long wait.
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She's always got an excuse. Always someone else's fault. Surely the book should be removed from sale if it includes false or misleading information?
Will be interesting to see if SK has taken legal action yet
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I, too, would love to know what Sandra has got wrong in the book. (I am talking about "Innocents Betrayed", not "No Smoke").
I haven't read the book, nor do I know enough about this case to be any sort of an authority on it, but I do know that it is possible to mislead in any so-called factual book or text simply by way of omission, or by presenting information in a biased way - I have seen this in (for example) Holocaust Denial texts, where it is very difficult to point to any one fact as being inaccurate, it's more the way it is presented and the facts and context that are omitted by the author that make the difference.
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Will be interesting to see if SK has taken legal action yet
I hope he does. Let’s get to the bottom of his DNA profile being the only identified profile on Jodi’s clothing, a DNA profile from semen.
I’d buy popcorn for that one.
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Wasn’t the t-shirt said to be freshly laundered ?
‘A recent study by Canadian researchers demonstrated that sperm cells could be transferred from semen stained bedding to clean underwear during washing in a machine.
https://www.forensiccontext.com/washing-out-the-stains/
‘This study demonstrates that complete DNA profiles can be obtained from laundered semen stains on school uniform-type clothing, with an eight-month lag time between semen deposition and laundering, despite multiple washes and stains from two semen donors.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508
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I hope he does. Let’s get to the bottom of his DNA profile being the only identified profile on Jodi’s clothing, a DNA profile from semen.
I’d buy popcorn for that one.
Inappropriate comment IMO. I must admit that this is the first I've heard that semen was found on Jodi's clothing.
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Wasn’t the t-shirt said to be freshly laundered ?
‘A recent study by Canadian researchers demonstrated that sperm cells could be transferred from semen stained bedding to clean underwear during washing in a machine.
https://www.forensiccontext.com/washing-out-the-stains/
‘This study demonstrates that complete DNA profiles can be obtained from laundered semen stains on school uniform-type clothing, with an eight-month lag time between semen deposition and laundering, despite multiple washes and stains from two semen donors.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508
Did Sandra Lean explain any of this ⬆️ in her book? Known about in 2015
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Inappropriate comment IMO. I must admit that this is the first I've heard that semen was found on Jodi's clothing.
She was wearing a top borrowed from her sister Janine. The semen was identified as having come from Janine's boyfriend so no real mystery. It is good though to see that the forensics were on the ball albeit too little too late.
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Sandra Lean has stated many things in relation to her book ‘No Smoke’
For example in January 2017 she stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
‘If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
“In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)
The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.
There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”
Sandra Lean also wrote about killer Gordon Park who’s posthumous appeal was rejected https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/r-v-park-judgment-010520.pdf
So instead of taking her failure graciously she had the audacity and sheer bloody cheek to claim that Hall's confession might be as a result of mental illness. Just how low can Sandra Lean sink in order to protect her own skin?
You were in the middle of this Nicolas, you had most access to Simon Hall, is she an all out liar or what?
Was Simon Hall mentally ill or was he simply riddled with guilt because of what he had done and because he had deceived so many close to him including your goodself?
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She was wearing a top borrowed from her sister Janine. The semen was identified as having come from Janine's boyfriend so no real mystery. It is good though to see that the forensics were on the ball albeit too little too late.
Which could have been transfered to the t-shirt from any other laundered item
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So instead of taking her failure graciously she had the audacity and sheer bloody cheek to claim that Hall's confession might be as a result of mental illness. Just how low can Sandra Lean sink in order to protect her own skin?
Sandra Lean went on to state,
‘You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession’
Which - as usual - was extremely deceptive and calculating of Sandra Lean
She was well aware of the zenith burglary fiasco and of Shaun Hall and Stephanie Bon’s public statements and indeed of Simon Hall’s
Did she recognise (As I eventually did re Simon Hall) she’d been the one doing all the work and Luke Mitchell wasn’t pulling his weight?
Did the content of the below articles, for example, trigger her into writing to him?
Was she annoyed with him for showing his true colours?
Was HIS behaviour perceived as “a slap in the face?”
14th April 2014
Killer Luke Mitchell demands Satanic books in jail
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/killer-luke-mitchell-demands-satanic-books-in-jail-1-3375463
12th July 2014
Sordid jail letters from
Luke Mitchell have opened a window into the warped mind of Jodi Jones’s murderer
“Mitchell wrote the letters from Polmont Young Offenders Institution after falling headlong into a honeytrap,
The 16-year-old he believed he was writing to was in fact an undercover journalist investigating the workings
of his mind.
Mitchell wrote his letters in 2008 but they have never been published.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-sleazy-letters-brutal-3845609
In 2008 he would have been around 19-20 years old? “although he’s not been allowed to develop as he should have been” (Billy Middleton) http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4792.msg544349#msg544349
Did she wonder if she was being duped yet again?
I ask because of this:
"I refer to your recent communications with me, your posts on the Bamber forum, and our previous exchanges.
While I appreciate that fighting a MOJ is an uphill struggle, and a steep learning curve, there are some "mistakes" which cannot be explained as ignorance, enthusiastic but misguided belief, or any of the other well trodden routes most people take on their journey towards justice.
I personally believe that your recent online behaviour, the way you handled Simon's confession to the other burglary, and the consequent attacks of Shaun and Stephanie Bon have all been detrimental to public support for Simon. The letter, supposedly from Simon, was a disgraceful slap in the face to many, many people who have tried to help Simon over the years.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384705.html#msg384705
What Sandra Lean perceived as “mistakes” was in fact Simon Halls guilt being exposed. His true colours were being laid bare for all to see.
On 12th April 2013 Simon Hall's brother stated:
"Here we go again!
Stephanie, please do everyone a favour and stop blaming everyone else for things that Simon is responsible for.
First, Simon had every chance to confess to his actions on the night of Joan's death, however he decided to keep this quiet. Saying that anyone else should go to the police is ridiculous as they wouldn't want Simon to get in to further trouble.
I don't condone him keeping this information back at all and I truly believe the only reason Simon and you decided to run with this is that it got out into the wild.
If you honestly believe that people conspired against Simon then that's just stupid and you should talk seriously with Simon.
He has a history that he shouldn't be proud of and to be honest, stolen goods from 11 years ago are the least of his worries if its true as you say he is suffering at the moment.
Hopefully he will be honest with you for a change, sadly this is something Simon finds hard to do most of the time.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384851.html#msg384851
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So what did Simon Hall tell you Nicolas the first time you spoke to him after finding out about the Zenith double glazing premises burglary.
Was he honest with you this time?
Was he relieved that this had got out?
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Wasn’t the t-shirt said to be freshly laundered ?
‘A recent study by Canadian researchers demonstrated that sperm cells could be transferred from semen stained bedding to clean underwear during washing in a machine.
https://www.forensiccontext.com/washing-out-the-stains/
‘This study demonstrates that complete DNA profiles can be obtained from laundered semen stains on school uniform-type clothing, with an eight-month lag time between semen deposition and laundering, despite multiple washes and stains from two semen donors.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508
Except SK’s washing wasn’t done in Alice, Jodi’s grandmother’s, house where Janine lived.
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I hope he does. Let’s get to the bottom of his DNA profile being the only identified profile on Jodi’s clothing, a DNA profile from semen.
I’d buy popcorn for that one.
A t-shirt she borrowed from her sister, yes.
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A t-shirt she borrowed from her sister, yes.
That’s certainly what Janine said after her sister’s death. She also said the she had two identical t-shirts...but this only occurred to her 10 days after she had handed the identical t-shirt to Jodi’s into the police, claiming it was the one she had worn on the night of her sister’s disappearance. Trouble is Judith, the girl’s mother, claimed that it was her that had bought one of the t-shirts for each of the girls. It does beg the question why would Jodi go to her gran’s house and borrow her sister’s t-shirt, and a dirty one at that, when she had one exactly the same at home?
As I posted previously the explanation for the semen stain from SK being transferred to the t-shirt Jodi was wearing in the washing machine doesn't hold water either as SK didn’t wash his clothes at Jodi’s grandmother’s house. Stranger still there was no DNA of Janine found on the supposedly ‘borrowed’ tshirt.
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That’s certainly what Janine said after her sister’s death.
It's also what Luke said. "She liked that top, she like, she bought some of her own stuff, I mean, the clothes, the cords, jeans, she was wearing on Monday night. I think they were borrowed off her sister." Even though he said he hadn't seen her that night.
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So what did Simon Hall tell you Nicolas the first time you spoke to him after finding out about the Zenith double glazing premises burglary.
Was he honest with you this time?
Was he relieved that this had got out?
I suspect Simon Hall and all those who knew of the zenith double glazing premises burglary were raging don’t you
As Shaun Hall stated in April 2013,
"I am Simon's brother, I know a lot of things that Simon has done and I know when he is backed into a corner, he lies. It's his nature! Always has been.
I can say things like this because I know him. He may have changed since being in prison, but I seriously doubt it!
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Such a mess of mismatched one liners to add weight to nothing. The fairy tale gets worse, does it not?
Let's take an example of one liners from these first statements.
LM - I walked passed a V in the wall, some distance and my dog jumped up and started air sniffing
SK - We were at a V in the wall.
JaJ- When we got to a V in the wall.
See the massive difference there already Faithlilly - it is all very well Ms Lean extracting one liners from statements of a 1000 words, they don't tell us anything outwith what Ms Lean may want to add - couple of arms and legs here and there. Red flag to the police however.
Let us expand. LM not only states that his dog was "air sniffing" he also states that his dog had reacted "parallel to where Jodi lay on the other side"
This girl was actually around 40ft away from the V in the wall. Passed it on the woodland side.
SK in his first statement - "the dogs head was level with the V" It was dark, there is absolutely no way SK could have given any type of comparison of the dogs head being level with the V if it was where LM said it was.
But all red herrings from Ms Lean - it was not about the dog, it was about where LM said he was, the description he gave least not the biggest red flag of all, the time factor.
10mins - that is all it took, from the search party meeting next to this high school, for LM to keep the lead, to climb the wall well before the V and look into the woodland. None of the other members of the search party gave the woods a second thought. To then come to this V, at and around the actual V itself, LM climbed over the wall and turned left. SK and JaJ had barely walked a few feet when he shouted he had found something.
Let us be real here - The best search teams in the world even with professionally trained dogs - could never have found Jodi Jones in this time frame. 10mins. Not a dog walker or anyone else in the woodland that night - in daylight saw or found this girl - she was ultimately well hidden, behind and wait for it, another extraction from LM's first statements.
"I saw what I thought was a Taylors dummy, behind a large OAK tree, I could see a red bobble in it's hair" He made out the type of tree, and a bobble that even the pathologist did not come across at first.
All this in 10mins - from LM who further claimed he did not know of the existence of this V prior to that night. He had walked this path many times in daylight.
All this in 10mins - from LM who further claimed he had never been in this woodland before that night. Really?
These claims of DNA in full profiles of an unknown male - Not multiple DNA profiles from multiple unknown males. This is a woodland, I wonder what DNA any of us would pick up innocently traipsing around in it - far less with what may have taken place that day.
So, no Faithlilly - It is SL who attempts to put weight to water continuously with these these claims of statements changing - do you know what clarified means?
DF - the defence team had access to everything SL had/has - Of course this was available for the Jury to hear/see. They did.
They didn't of course see any of SL's arms and legs, why would they? - The SCCRC however saw right through her when they dismissed these fairy tales.
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A t-shirt she borrowed from her sister, yes.
Think of a man ejaculating Faithlilly - millions of sperm - millions of profiles to be extracted.
What was extracted from the t-shirt were a couple of profiles amidst some semen staining.
Think of body sweat -
Think of semen -
Put the item into the wash and what happens - traces of sweat are easily rid of.
Traces of semen are not.
Have you ever washed bedding and thought - what is that stain -semen which has not been eradicated in the wash.
BUT 99% of it has - thus why there was very little to extract a profile from - most of it had been washed out, in a machine.
Ask Ms Lean - the giver of partial information - How did the semen get on the top? Was it in the washing cycle itself or when this couple were intimate?
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Glory hunter comes to mind rather than crime expert.
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It's also what Luke said. "She liked that top, she like, she bought some of her own stuff, I mean, the clothes, the cords, jeans, she was wearing on Monday night. I think they were borrowed off her sister." Even though he said he hadn't seen her that night.
No doubt, Jodi often borrowed clothes from her sister, and Luke knew that.
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Glory hunter comes to mind rather than crime expert.
Is there an element of "fatal attraction" at play also I wonder...?
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I hope he does. Let’s get to the bottom of his DNA profile being the only identified profile on Jodi’s clothing, a DNA profile from semen.
I’d buy popcorn for that one.
We've already gotten to the bottom of it. The police got to the bottom of it, Jodi's family got to the bottom of it, even Luke told the police it was her sister's shirt. The jury was presented with the information and accepted the explanation. Everyone accepts the explanation because it really is the only realistic explanation like Parky said considering how little there was. For it to be the result of ejaculation at the scene is impossible.
Also does the fact his alibi for the entire day was his Jodi's sister mean anything to you? Is she covering up for a (at the time) relatively new boyfriend for raping/murdering her little sister? What planet do you live on?
Also they divorced over 11 years ago so you would think this would disrupt this murder pact you allege they have.
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It's also what Luke said. "She liked that top, she like, she bought some of her own stuff, I mean, the clothes, the cords, jeans, she was wearing on Monday night. I think they were borrowed off her sister." Even though he said he hadn't seen her that night.
Where is this from?
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Where is this from?
iirc these were excerpts of Luke's statements to the police (Transcript of Interview, 4th July 2003:), reproduced verbatim by sandra on the blue forum:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.1740.html
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Such a mess of mismatched one liners to add weight to nothing. The fairy tale gets worse, does it not?
Let's take an example of one liners from these first statements.
LM - I walked passed a V in the wall, some distance and my dog jumped up and started air sniffing
SK - We were at a V in the wall.
JaJ- When we got to a V in the wall.
See the massive difference there already Faithlilly - it is all very well Ms Lean extracting one liners from statements of a 1000 words, they don't tell us anything outwith what Ms Lean may want to add - couple of arms and legs here and there. Red flag to the police however.
Let us expand. LM not only states that his dog was "air sniffing" he also states that his dog had reacted "parallel to where Jodi lay on the other side"
This girl was actually around 40ft away from the V in the wall. Passed it on the woodland side.
SK in his first statement - "the dogs head was level with the V" It was dark, there is absolutely no way SK could have given any type of comparison of the dogs head being level with the V if it was where LM said it was.
But all red herrings from Ms Lean - it was not about the dog, it was about where LM said he was, the description he gave least not the biggest red flag of all, the time factor.
10mins - that is all it took, from the search party meeting next to this high school, for LM to keep the lead, to climb the wall well before the V and look into the woodland. None of the other members of the search party gave the woods a second thought. To then come to this V, at and around the actual V itself, LM climbed over the wall and turned left. SK and JaJ had barely walked a few feet when he shouted he had found something.
Let us be real here - The best search teams in the world even with professionally trained dogs - could never have found Jodi Jones in this time frame. 10mins. Not a dog walker or anyone else in the woodland that night - in daylight saw or found this girl - she was ultimately well hidden, behind and wait for it, another extraction from LM's first statements.
"I saw what I thought was a Taylors dummy, behind a large OAK tree, I could see a red bobble in it's hair" He made out the type of tree, and a bobble that even the pathologist did not come across at first.
All this in 10mins - from LM who further claimed he did not know of the existence of this V prior to that night. He had walked this path many times in daylight.
All this in 10mins - from LM who further claimed he had never been in this woodland before that night. Really?
These claims of DNA in full profiles of an unknown male - Not multiple DNA profiles from multiple unknown males. This is a woodland, I wonder what DNA any of us would pick up innocently traipsing around in it - far less with what may have taken place that day.
So, no Faithlilly - It is SL who attempts to put weight to water continuously with these these claims of statements changing - do you know what clarified means?
DF - the defence team had access to everything SL had/has - Of course this was available for the Jury to hear/see. They did.
They didn't of course see any of SL's arms and legs, why would they? - The SCCRC however saw right through her when they dismissed these fairy tales.
So many words to refute one thing, all three witnesses who were with Luke that night all said in their first statements that Mia alerted to the v and they all changed those statements in court.
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iirc these were excerpts of Luke's statements to the police (Transcript of Interview, 4th July 2003:), reproduced verbatim by sandra on the blue forum:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.1740.html
Thank you. So 4 days after the murder, when Luke will have been well aware what clothing Jodi had been wearing and possibly had been told who it belonged to. Still doesn’t explain why Jodi would borrow a dirty t-shirt from her sister if she had an identical one, as claimed by Judith or why there was a semen stain on it from Janine’s boyfriend, if their washing was done in different houses. Further where was Janine’s DNA if it belonged to her?
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We've already gotten to the bottom of it. The police got to the bottom of it, Jodi's family got to the bottom of it, even Luke told the police it was her sister's shirt. The jury was presented with the information and accepted the explanation. Everyone accepts the explanation because it really is the only realistic explanation like Parky said considering how little there was. For it to be the result of ejaculation at the scene is impossible.
Also does the fact his alibi for the entire day was his Jodi's sister mean anything to you? Is she covering up for a (at the time) relatively new boyfriend for raping/murdering her little sister? What planet do you live on?
Also they divorced over 11 years ago so you would think this would disrupt this murder pact you allege they have.
His alibi is all over the place, with members of the family putting him in different places at the same time.
It is you that is suggesting that SK and Janine had a pact, not me though I would assume IF Janine did know something and came forward now she would not only be in trouble legally but also with her family.
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Sandra Lean stated on 21st Aug 2012
‘As for Joseph threatening me, I understand why Jodi's family are upset by what I do, and I always have done. I have offered to meet with Judy, and I offered to show Joseph the DNA results the day he was at my door, because I believe Jodi's family have been horribly misled and manipulated which is disgusting - lying to a grieving family, convincing them of something the police had no evidence to support, and so on is unforgivable. Of course Jodi's family have to believe Luke is guilty - the alternative is unthinkable for them.
But that does not extend to accepting the family lying about events, as Judith has now been proven to have done. She publicly accused me of lying about Joseph threatening me, claiming, instead, that he had "visited" me to talk to me about the website, and that no threat of any description had been made. What she and Joseph did not know was that I was not alone in the house that day, but had an independent witness, who had been visiting me when Joseph arrived at the door, standing directly behind the door, out of sight of Joseph, who heard every word. Joseph later admitted threatening me, yet Judy's accusation came after that admission
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg116583.html#msg116583
Was the ‘witness’ Sandra referred to above a reliable witness and were they ‘visiting’ Sandra or living with her?
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Sandra Lean stated on 21st Aug 2012
‘As for Joseph threatening me, I understand why Jodi's family are upset by what I do, and I always have done. I have offered to meet with Judy, and I offered to show Joseph the DNA results the day he was at my door, because I believe Jodi's family have been horribly misled and manipulated which is disgusting - lying to a grieving family, convincing them of something the police had no evidence to support, and so on is unforgivable. Of course Jodi's family have to believe Luke is guilty - the alternative is unthinkable for them.
But that does not extend to accepting the family lying about events, as Judith has now been proven to have done. She publicly accused me of lying about Joseph threatening me, claiming, instead, that he had "visited" me to talk to me about the website, and that no threat of any description had been made. What she and Joseph did not know was that I was not alone in the house that day, but had an independent witness, who had been visiting me when Joseph arrived at the door, standing directly behind the door, out of sight of Joseph, who heard every word. Joseph later admitted threatening me, yet Judy's accusation came after that admission
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg116583.html#msg116583
Was the ‘witness’ Sandra referred to above a reliable witness and were they ‘visiting’ Sandra or living with her?
BM perhaps? - another tale with arms and legs? SL claiming that this dude came to her house "knowing she was on her own" or thinking - Guy had telepathic powers perhaps?
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So many words to refute one thing, all three witnesses who were with Luke that night all said in their first statements that Mia alerted to the v and they all changed those statements in court.
Yes Faithlilly, the dispute and demonstrable difference in the statements was - where LM claimed this all happened. None of the other three members of this search party ever said the dog reacted some 40ft, up to 20yards past the V.
The dog would have been scurrying about everywhere - it was a dog.
LM had the dog up at the V - thus why the other three members mentioned this dog. At the V. AW - when she was keeping a hold of the dog.
Therefore, from those very first statements - the differences were what brought suspicion upon LM - not that they were the same. Messy.
Also, not a lot of words to say one thing - there were several points there and more.
LM claimed he knew not of the existence of this V.
LM claimed he had never been in this woodland prior to that night - initials were carved into a tree.
LM claimed he had walked some distance past the V in the wall - no he did not.
LM led the search party to the path - contrary to what SL may try to add arms and legs to.
LM claimed to have left his house after the phone call at/ around 10.52pm
LM was on this path by 10.59pm
LM was "fast and fit with a very fit dog pulling him up the path" CM podcast.
LM should have been off this path prior the search trio arriving - he was not, he held back to guide them there.
LM asked for something of this girls to use his dog to scent - there was nothing to scent.
LM made it clear he had saw nothing and searched for nothing on his route up.
LM initiated the search of the path - first by directly going there and staying on it, then by asking for something to scent, to use his dog.
The problems yet again that arise in a 'one man band' - missing out 99% of statements - trying to make futile points and adding the rest. Messy.
10mins later - LM was shouting out he had found something. This was on his second time of looking into the woodland - no claimed dog reaction there.
He had climbed the wall at the Gino spot - then again AT the V - SK and JaJ had barely walked 10ft when LM shouted he had found something, they then "backtracked"
10mins Faithlilly - As stated before, and again - the best search teams with professionally trained tracker dogs could not have achieved this.
LM was prepped and ready to offer to search - he knew this girls mother would contact him at some point.
Less that 3mins to speak to his brother by going up to his room to borrow a torch, for SM to go downstairs to locate the torch, for LM to have a conversation with his mother,
to get the dog ready and out the door - 7 mins later he is on this path. - Yet 20mins later he is still on it- not even at the top of it.
SL and CM make some sort of fairy tale about this girls family already being out searching the path - strange that, LM was on it for a good 20mins but only saw them as they approached the top end - perhaps they flew past him? Messy.
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Plus there were witnesses to smelling smoke coming from the Mitchell’s back garden at around 10pm
‘Luke Mitchell's neighbours, George Ramage, 37, and Nicholas Frankland, 41, told the court they smelt smoke coming from the back garden.
The duo said they became aware of the smell and smoke at about 2200 BST on the evening in June last year.
Mr Ramage, whose home backs onto the Mitchell family home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, said he told his wife it was a strange time for them to be having a barbeque.
Mr Frankland, the Mitchell's next door neighbour in the same street, described seeing a brick-built log burner alight in the garden on 30 June last year.
He said the burner was "typically" used by Mr Mitchell's mother.
Mr Frankland added: "It would be just before 2200 BST.
"I might have been aware of it earlier than that but I don't recall anything specific."
He had been busy doing DIY and clearing his tools away when he became aware of burning.
He told the court on Monday: "I could see it and smell it. It wasn't a food smell."
He told police he heard voices but could not definitely say who the people were.
The same night, he also saw Luke Mitchell walking in the street as he settled down to watch television at about 2200 BST. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4072447.stm
And Corrine apparently said Luke came back into the house prior to phoning JuJ - in response to her text message - right toad you’re grounded
From an old timeline
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
Was the ‘Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said’ a story which had grown arms and legs at some point or was this what Corrine Mitchell said?
And if true where was he coming into the house from - the back garden maybe ?
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BM perhaps? - another tale with arms and legs? SL claiming that this dude came to her house "knowing she was on her own" or thinking - Guy had telepathic powers perhaps?
The police will know who it was if Sandra Lean contacted them
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Yes Faithlilly, the dispute and demonstrable difference in the statements was - where LM claimed this all happened. None of the other three members of this search party ever said the dog reacted some 40ft, up to 20yards past the V.
The dog would have been scurrying about everywhere - it was a dog.
LM had the dog up at the V - thus why the other three members mentioned this dog. At the V. AW - when she was keeping a hold of the dog.
Therefore, from those very first statements - the differences were what brought suspicion upon LM - not that they were the same. Messy.
Also, not a lot of words to say one thing - there were several points there and more.
LM claimed he knew not of the existence of this V.
LM claimed he had never been in this woodland prior to that night - initials were carved into a tree.
LM claimed he had walked some distance past the V in the wall - no he did not.
LM led the search party to the path - contrary to what SL may try to add arms and legs to.
LM claimed to have left his house after the phone call at/ around 10.52pm
LM was on this path by 10.59pm
LM was "fast and fit with a very fit dog pulling him up the path" CM podcast.
LM should have been off this path prior the search trio arriving - he was not, he held back to guide them there.
LM asked for something of this girls to use his dog to scent - there was nothing to scent.
LM made it clear he had saw nothing and searched for nothing on his route up.
LM initiated the search of the path - first by directly going there and staying on it, then by asking for something to scent, to use his dog.
The problems yet again that arise in a 'one man band' - missing out 99% of statements - trying to make futile points and adding the rest. Messy.
10mins later - LM was shouting out he had found something. This was on his second time of looking into the woodland - no claimed dog reaction there.
He had climbed the wall at the Gino spot - then again AT the V - SK and JaJ had barely walked 10ft when LM shouted he had found something, they then "backtracked"
10mins Faithlilly - As stated before, and again - the best search teams with professionally trained tracker dogs could not have achieved this.
LM was prepped and ready to offer to search - he knew this girls mother would contact him at some point.
Less that 3mins to speak to his brother by going up to his room to borrow a torch, for SM to go downstairs to locate the torch, for LM to have a conversation with his mother,
to get the dog ready and out the door - 7 mins later he is on this path. - Yet 20mins later he is still on it- not even at the top of it.
SL and CM make some sort of fairy tale about this girls family already being out searching the path - strange that, LM was on it for a good 20mins but only saw them as they approached the top end - perhaps they flew past him? Messy.
It’s almost as if you were there...but oh wait....you weren’t. One thing I will agree with you on...the statements were messy. The first statements, which all experts agree, are the mostly likely to be true, simply did not marry with the evidence later given in court. Not opinion or interpretation but demonstrable fact. The only question after that should be why?
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It’s almost as if you were there...but oh wait....you weren’t. One thing I will agree with you on...the statements were messy. The first statements, which all experts agree, are the mostly likely to be true, simply did not marry with the evidence later given in court. Not opinion or interpretation but demonstrable fact. The only question after that should be why?
Why don’t you ask Corrine Mitchell to publish her sons police statements
If so - someone pls tell her to publish Luke Mitchell’s police statements - or maybe Corrine Mitchell will publish them if Sandra Lean refuses to
‘Donald Findlay reads a statement given by Janine to police in the early hours of July 1 in which she said that 'everyone was in hysterics'.
Under cross-examination, Janine says: 'The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone to the police and we started shouting at him and then he started to raise his voice.'
Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'
Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.
'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+'We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465
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The police will know who it was if Sandra Lean contacted them
I see your abhorrence of male violence towards females does not extend to Sandra Lean.
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I see your abhorrence of male violence towards females does not extend to Sandra Lean.
I abhor what Billy Middleton did to Sandra Lean - and in front of her daughter I was told
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I abhor what Billy Middleton did to Sandra Lean - and in front of her daughter I was told
I’m afraid from reading your posts that’s not the impression you give. You appear to be victim blaming.
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Plus there were witnesses to smelling smoke coming from the Mitchell’s back garden at around 10pm
‘Luke Mitchell's neighbours, George Ramage, 37, and Nicholas Frankland, 41, told the court they smelt smoke coming from the back garden.
The duo said they became aware of the smell and smoke at about 2200 BST on the evening in June last year.
Mr Ramage, whose home backs onto the Mitchell family home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, said he told his wife it was a strange time for them to be having a barbeque.
Mr Frankland, the Mitchell's next door neighbour in the same street, described seeing a brick-built log burner alight in the garden on 30 June last year.
He said the burner was "typically" used by Mr Mitchell's mother.
Mr Frankland added: "It would be just before 2200 BST.
"I might have been aware of it earlier than that but I don't recall anything specific."
He had been busy doing DIY and clearing his tools away when he became aware of burning.
He told the court on Monday: "I could see it and smell it. It wasn't a food smell."
He told police he heard voices but could not definitely say who the people were.
The same night, he also saw Luke Mitchell walking in the street as he settled down to watch television at about 2200 BST. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4072447.stm
And Corrine apparently said Luke came back into the house prior to phoning JuJ - in response to her text message - right toad you’re grounded
Was the ‘Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said’ a story which had grown arms and legs at some point or was this what Corrine Mitchell said?
And if true where was he coming into the house from - the back garden maybe ?
So the small tray of the wood burner was used to burn clothes at least until 10 pm, the ashes were then tipped somewhere else as there was no sign of any metal or material in the ashes when forensically tested and Corrine then burned some more logs to provide the ashes that were tested. Is that what’s being suggested?
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It’s almost as if you were there...but oh wait....you weren’t. One thing I will agree with you on...the statements were messy. The first statements, which all experts agree, are the mostly likely to be true, simply did not marry with the evidence later given in court. Not opinion or interpretation but demonstrable fact. The only question after that should be why?
Neither of us were faithlilly - I like many others have looked at many avenues of evidence rather than solely depending on the word of SL - Faith indeed, blind perhaps?
I started from the guilty stance - understanding completely, for some time, why LM became a suspect almost from the start - hardly the result of statements being in harmony, they were not.
All of the above is from witness statements, evidence heard, court documents and so forth - Some from Ms Lean herself.
Does not change the plain simple fact that you are avoiding - It was the clear difference in those very first statements that brought suspicion upon LM. He was NOT where he said he was - therefore the dogs actions are irrelevant. DF knew this - simple. As did experts.
Let's play ball - ALL of the statements, that you are referring too, every word of them, not the tiny extracts, were in the hands of the defence.
Deciphered with a fine tooth comb, precognitions that would have been carried out - DF making many attempts to confuse witnesses, much like the prosecution. The Jury hearing it all. - A wall being set up to show the jury the sequence of events and let's use that word again, the time - 10mins approx:
I have noticed how SL has mocked the use of this wall, why? When she herself uses much more 'amateur' dramatics to tell her tall tales - the added arms and legs.
If you want to go on first statements word for word - Then SM, LM and CM were clearly lying? don't you think?
SM said he arrived home at 3.30pm
CM said she arrived home around 5.05pm
LM said he was not out the house that night once he got back from the Abbey around 9pm
SM arrived home around 4.30 - it was discovered he had stopped to help a friend. He changed his statements three times in approx 36-40 hrs. His mother gently guiding him.
CM did not arrive home until 5.15pm or after - she was on CTV in a shop at 5.05pm - yet had time to finish cooking dinner, plate it up, LM to eat his and say he was at the estate entrance around 5.30pm Under 10mins again to do all of this.
LM was seen returning to his house after 10pm by a neighbour.
SL has before put this down to shock - clearly the girls family suffered none- Messy.
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Neither of us were faithlilly - I like many others have looked at many avenues of evidence rather than solely depending on the word of SL - Faith indeed, blind perhaps?
I started from the guilty stance - understanding completely, for some time, why LM became a suspect almost from the start - hardly the result of statements being in harmony, they were not.
All of the above is from witness statements, evidence heard, court documents and so forth - Some from Ms Lean herself.
Does not change the plain simple fact that you are avoiding - It was the clear difference in those very first statements that brought suspicion upon LM. He was NOT where he said he was - therefore the dogs actions are irrelevant. DF knew this - simple. As did experts.
Let's play ball - ALL of the statements, that you are referring too, every word of them, not the tiny extracts, were in the hands of the defence.
Deciphered with a fine tooth comb, precognitions that would have been carried out - DF making many attempts to confuse witnesses, much like the prosecution. The Jury hearing it all. - A wall being set up to show the jury the sequence of events and let's use that word again, the time - 10mins approx:
I have noticed how SL has mocked the use of this wall, why? When she herself uses much more 'amateur' dramatics to tell her tall tales - the added arms and legs.
If you want to go on first statements word for word - Then SM, LM and CM were clearly lying? don't you think?
SM said he arrived home at 3.30pm
CM said she arrived home around 5.05pm
LM said he was not out the house that night once he got back from the Abbey around 9pm
SM arrived home around 4.30 - it was discovered he had stopped to help a friend. He changed his statements three times in approx 36-40 hrs. His mother gently guiding him.
CM did not arrive home until 5.15pm or after - she was on CTV in a shop at 5.05pm - yet had time to finish cooking dinner, plate it up, LM to eat his and say he was at the estate entrance around 5.30pm Under 10mins again to do all of this.
LM was seen returning to his house after 10pm by a neighbour.
SL has before put this down to shock - clearly the girls family suffered none- Messy.
And when Jodi’s family’s statements don’t corroborate each other or the times are slightly out or information was not revealed at the first opportunity or the statements are changed...what then? Is it just the Mitchell family who are held to such a high standard of recall and transparency?
BTW is it at all possible for us to discuss this case without mentioning Sandra Lean? You know, just rely on the facts.
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Corrine had prawns too apparently
It was a Monday - she told James English she did her shopping on a Tuesday - so Luke had beans apparently - ‘cos he ruined the broccoli and beans were all they had until Corrine went shopping the following day
So where did these prawns come from?
The freezer?
It takes around 8 hours to defrost prawns from frozen apparently
Fresh?
If Corrine had brought the prawns on the Tuesday before - when she usually did her shopping - they’d have been off by Friday
What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Corrine’s prawns?
Caught in the lie
Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452006.html#msg452006
Luke spoke to his mum before 16.30 and therefore before the exchange of texts between his and Judith's phones at 16.34 - 16.38 and he called the speaking clock at 16.54.
His mum came home at 17.15, according to all three of the Mitchell family, and dinner was ready (This time is also supported by CCTV of Corinne leaving her work, stopping in at a local shop and reconstruction timings of the journey between the three places.)
According to Luke Mitchell his mother helped him finish off making dinner and according to Corrine Mitchells evidence given during trial, and depending on what version you believe, Luke asked her if he should cook broccoli.
“She said Luke asked her if he should cook broccoli to accompany their meal, but then heated some beans instead
Shane Mitchell said his brother was standing at the cooker “mashing tatties.”
Yet “The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes (Note: no mention of the broccoli/bean story)
So dinner couldn’t have been ready as Sandra Lean claims.
She also stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg451997.html#msg451997
“Luke called his mum's work at either 4.15 or 4.25pm (I'll have to check the phone logs to confirm which one) to ask what to cook for tea. There's no requirement for store bought pies to be defrosted - they're usually cooked from frozen and take around 30 - 45 minutes to cook - if Luke put the pies in the oven after the phone call to his mum, they'd be ready for 5.15pm - maybe he put them on the top shelf instead of the middle, or maybe he set the temperature a bit too high.
There are several anomalies with this particular version of events, not only with timings but linked to the broccoli, tatties, bean and chicken and/or steak pie stories. Who’s version of events should be believed? Why did Luke need to ask his mother when she got home if he should cook broccoli or beans? Hadn’t he already telephoned her to ask what to cook for dinner? He was an intelligent lad remember; could hold his own when interrogated by the police
Yet Shane Mitchell said; “Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him.
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Corrine had prawns too apparently
It was a Monday - she told James English she did her shopping on a Tuesday - so Luke had beans apparently - ‘cos he ruined the broccoli and beans were all they had until Corrine went shopping the following day
So where did these prawns come from?
The freezer?
It takes around 8 hours to defrost prawns from frozen apparently
Fresh?
If Corrine had brought the prawns on the Tuesday before - when she usually did her shopping - they’d have been off by Friday
What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Corrine’s prawns?
Prawns can be defrosted in cold water in a matter of minutes.
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And when Jodi’s family’s statements don’t corroborate each other or the times are slightly out or information was not revealed at the first opportunity or the statements are changed...what then? Is it just the Mitchell family who are held to such a high standard of recall and transparency?
BTW is it at all possible for us to discuss this case without mentioning Sandra Lean? You know, just rely on the facts.
When things are being put forward almost verbatim to the teachings of Ms Lean I see no harm in referring to her by name.
Is it not from this very person the subject we are discussing arose from - that of changing statements, centered by yourself around the search party, making claims that these statements were changed, inferring that they were in harmony with LM's at the start - information that has come forth from Ms Lean. Via books, forums, podcasts and lately a documentary.
I understand, to a degree why Ms Lean has to do this - when taking the stance of innocence there is no choice but to try and dismantle every piece of evidence.
It is however messy - Often going down roads that inadvertently do the very opposite of what she claims to be seeking - Truth and Justice.
Continuously sullying the names of factual innocent people - it is wrong.
Take MK for example - may he rest in peace, no - it is wrong.
This persons movements were traced. It was with SF and the greed of money that really brought the truth to light.
MK was on CTV that evening, his face was NOT covered in scratches. He was not on Newbattle Road for the F & W sighting, wait no, in the documentary he was running through fields back to the Abbey. Messy
Nothing but mismatched theories with a massive dose of finger pointing. No sequence of events. Zero. Why? Because someone must be guilty if LM is innocent, to hell with truth and Justice.
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Corrine had prawns too apparently
It was a Monday - she told James English she did her shopping on a Tuesday - so Luke had beans apparently - ‘cos he ruined the broccoli and beans were all they had until Corrine went shopping the following day
So where did these prawns come from?
The freezer?
It takes around 8 hours to defrost prawns from frozen apparently
Fresh?
If Corrine had brought the prawns on the Tuesday before - when she usually did her shopping - they’d have been off by Friday
What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Corrine’s prawns?
I have honestly not idea - were the prawns frozen or fresh? Even if they were ready to go into the pan or oven they still needed to be cooked. Unless they were cooked and ready to eat cold? Whatever they were it was a very fine timeline - once the actual real times were established of course and the whole story was that - a story? a fairy tale.
10mins at a push to cook the prawns, the bean, dish up and LM be on Newbattle road - Magic!
Revert back to statements and what is said at first - no statement is taken at face value at first, timings etc need to be established. Investigations done.
Voldemort - believes first statements should be used only, just the one liners that suit of course. They make some song and dance around the search trios guesswork at times that night, until the police established correct timings with phone records and so forth. Much like they did with everyone, would be a fair assumption- Like CM's ?
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What reason did Corinne Mitchell give for using the woodburner on that April night?
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When things are being put forward almost verbatim to the teachings of Ms Lean I see no harm in referring to her by name.
Is it not from this very person the subject we are discussing arose from - that of changing statements, centered by yourself around the search party, making claims that these statements were changed, inferring that they were in harmony with LM's at the start - information that has come forth from Ms Lean. Via books, forums, podcasts and lately a documentary.
I understand, to a degree why Ms Lean has to do this - when taking the stance of innocence there is no choice but to try and dismantle every piece of evidence.
It is however messy - Often going down roads that inadvertently do the very opposite of what she claims to be seeking - Truth and Justice.
Continuously sullying the names of factual innocent people - it is wrong.
Take MK for example - may he rest in peace, no - it is wrong.
This persons movements were traced. It was with SF and the greed of money that really brought the truth to light.
MK was on CTV that evening, his face was NOT covered in scratches. He was not on Newbattle Road for the F & W sighting, wait no, in the documentary he was running through fields back to the Abbey. Messy
Nothing but mismatched theories with a massive dose of finger pointing. No sequence of events. Zero. Why? Because someone must be guilty if LM is innocent, to hell with truth and Justice.
Is it worth pointing out that Frontline Scotland suggested Mark Kane (I can’t remember if he named him) had questions to answer in regards to his movements on the night of Jodi’s murder? As far as I’m aware SL had nothing to do with that documentary.
TBH I don’t think you care whether Luke is guilty or not just that Sandra Lean is wrong...and that, as you say, is messy.
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So the small tray of the wood burner was used to burn clothes at least until 10 pm, the ashes were then tipped somewhere else as there was no sign of any metal or material in the ashes when forensically tested and Corrine then burned some more logs to provide the ashes that were tested. Is that what’s being suggested?
Para 154 (from CoA judgement)
‘The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved. Furthermore, evidence of the existence of such a fire had been laid before the jury from Mr and Mrs Frankland and Mr Ramage
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Para 154 (from CoA judgement)
‘The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved. Furthermore, evidence of the existence of such a fire had been laid before the jury from Mr and Mrs Frankland and Mr Ramage
But there would have to have been two fires, one to burn the heavy jacket, which would have taken some time. The ashes would then have to have cooled and been thrown away as there was no residual material matter in the ashes when they were forensically tested. Corrine would then have to have burned logs to provide the ashes that were tested. Is that what you think she did?
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But there would have to have been two fires, one to burn the heavy jacket, which would have taken some time. The ashes would then have to have cooled and been thrown away as there was no residual material matter in the ashes when they were forensically tested. Corrine would then have to have burned logs to provide the ashes that were tested. Is that what you think she did?
Facts concerning the log burner -
There was a fire in the Mitchel garden that evening - The smell and the smoke was witnessed by the closest neighbours. - corroboration. Only two needed.
This fire, initially, was denied until evidence to the contrary was produced. - pretty standard with quite a lot of the evidence, denial until proved otherwise.
School jotters and pampas grass was burned that week.
There is nothing to show either way that the burner taking away was the only item in the garden that could have been used for burning. Burning however definitely took place.
Opportunity for disposal - The evidence of the burning was at different intervals of time.
The log burner in question was not taken away for 4 days.
There was NO police presence 24/7
There was NO media presence 24/7
The bins were emptied the following day.
Lets be real here - If you are using something to burn evidence, you are going to make sure any traces are removed at that crucial time. Would you really leave zips and the like behind.
Fires can be cooled rapidly - when this is done you get a lot of smoke and smell.- exactly what was witnessed.
We know LM stated he had stayed in when returning home from the Abbey - until evidence came forward from a neighbour who saw him going home around 10pm approx.
This housing estate is surrounded by woodland - a haven for disposal.
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It has been mentioned before that, SM after returning home from going out around 5.30pm - went back out again later that evening? Why does SL not mention this? Could and possibly was very innocent, why not mention it though? - Let others make up their mind?
The weather - CM spent a lot of her time in the garden that evening, it was overcast with low temperatures.
We know this as she claimed to have eaten her dinner outside after being cooped up all day.
We know this as LM stated that "how would you know if Jodi has been, you are in the garden" This was the call when he was heading into the Abbey after 7pm
How did he know his mother was in the garden? CM " Mia would let me know if Jodi was at the door"
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Facts concerning the log burner -
There was a fire in the Mitchel garden that evening - The smell and the smoke was witnessed by the closest neighbours. - corroboration. Only two needed.
This fire, initially, was denied until evidence to the contrary was produced. - pretty standard with quite a lot of the evidence, denial until proved otherwise.
School jotters and pampas grass was burned that week.
There is nothing to show either way that the burner taking away was the only item in the garden that could have been used for burning. Burning however definitely took place.
Opportunity for disposal - The evidence of the burning was at different intervals of time.
The log burner in question was not taken away for 4 days.
There was NO police presence 24/7
There was NO media presence 24/7
The bins were emptied the following day.
Lets be real here - If you are using something to burn evidence, you are going to make sure any traces are removed at that crucial time. Would you really leave zips and the like behind.
Fires can be cooled rapidly - when this is done you get a lot of smoke and smell.- exactly what was witnessed.
We know LM stated he had stayed in when returning home from the Abbey - until evidence came forward from a neighbour who saw him going home around 10pm approx.
This housing estate is surrounded by woodland - a haven for disposal.
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It has been mentioned before that, SM after returning home from going out around 5.30pm - went back out again later that evening? Why does SL not mention this? Could and possibly was very innocent, why not mention it though? - Let others make up their mind?
The weather - CM spent a lot of her time in the garden that evening, it was overcast with low temperatures.
We know this as she claimed to have eaten her dinner outside after being cooped up all day.
We know this as LM stated that "how would you know if Jodi has been, you are in the garden" This was the call when he was heading into the Abbey after 7pm
How did he know his mother was in the garden? CM " Mia would let me know if Jodi was at the door"
If only you judged the slips and misremembering of other protagonists in the saga then you perhaps would reach a more evenhanded analysis of why the Mitchell’s recollections changed with time. The recollections of Jodi’s family are all over the place with statements changing by the day.
To the fire...the neighbour said he smelled the odour of burning around ten so why did CM wait so long to burn the clothes if, at any moment, Jodi could be found dead and the police could be at her door ?
Again and again you state claims as fact yet provided no evidence or context. Care to make your posts tidier?
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Facts concerning the log burner -
There was a fire in the Mitchel garden that evening - The smell and the smoke was witnessed by the closest neighbours. - corroboration. Only two needed.
This fire, initially, was denied until evidence to the contrary was produced. - pretty standard with quite a lot of the evidence, denial until proved otherwise.
Parky on what dates are you suggesting the fires were denied and by who?
Luke Mitchell told the police at some point - his mother and brother had had a fire in the back garden in the night of the murder ⬇️
Para 154 (from CoA judgement)
‘The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire. Looking at the questioning to which that reply was given, no unfairness strikes us as being involved. Furthermore, evidence of the existence of such a fire had been laid before the jury from Mr and Mrs Frankland and Mr Ramage
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Parky on what dates are you suggesting the fires were denied and by who?
Luke Mitchell told the police at some point - his mother and brother had had a fire in the back garden in the night of the murder ⬇️
Good question.
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Lets be real here - If you are using something to burn evidence, you are going to make sure any traces are removed at that crucial time. Would you really leave zips and the like behind.
Fires can be cooled rapidly - when this is done you get a lot of smoke and smell.- exactly what was witnessed.
We know LM stated he had stayed in when returning home from the Abbey - until evidence came forward from a neighbour who saw him going home around 10pm approx.
This housing estate is surrounded by woodland - a haven for disposal.
Did Luke Mitchell change his story after his neighbour gave evidence to say he’d witnessed seeing him walking past at around 10pm?
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Facts concerning the log burner -
There was a fire in the Mitchel garden that evening - The smell and the smoke was witnessed by the closest neighbours. - corroboration. Only two needed.
This fire, initially, was denied until evidence to the contrary was produced. - pretty standard with quite a lot of the evidence, denial until proved otherwise.
School jotters and pampas grass was burned that week.
There were more than two witnesses to the fire in the Mitchell’s back garden on the night of the 30th June 2003 ⬇️
‘George Ramage, 37, a clerk of works, explains that his garden backs on to the Mitchells' garden in Dalkeith, Midlothian.
On June 30 last year Mr Ramage was doing some DIY in his kitchen and about 10pm took his tools out to the garage. He says:
'I became aware of burning because of the smoke... I could see it and smell it... coming from the Mitchell garden.
'Previously, they had barbecues. This was not a food smell. It was an unusual smell. It was not like burning wood or anything you normally burn.
'The only way I can put it is, it was an unusual smell. I made a comment to my wife along the lines of, 'It's a strange time to have a barbecue and if it's food, I certainly would not eat it.'
‘Another neighbour, Patricia Frankland, 41, tells the court that the Mitchells had a wood burner in their back garden which was used from time to time during the summer.
She says that she smelled smoke from it early in the evening of June 30, between 6.30 and 7.30pm, and again later.
Her husband, Nicholas, 41, says he also noticed a smell of smoke that evening.
He tells the court: 'It was fairly inconsequential because it happened from time to time.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+'We+heard+Luke+shouting+there+was+something...-a0126045465
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Good question.
When someone has consistently attempted to refute evidence to the point of ridiculousness - is is safe to say that denial has taken place in the first instance of a fire.
Are you letting us you know Faithlilly - that in those very first statements from the Mitchel family - they stated there was a fire that evening in the garden?
If so - why has this been continuously refuted over the years by those who campaign for innocence?
Evidence heard around this burning - around 7pm and again around 10pm.
I have had this query given before - The risk of the police chapping the Mitchells door at any time that evening.
The person who killed Jodi, knew there was slim to no chance of this girl being found over the course of the evening - proved to be correct - she wasn't.
The killer knew they had time on their hands for disposal of evidence.
The killer know that even IF this girl had been found by some dog walker/ person who was actually in the woods - there would more than ample time to identify who this girl was.
Substantial time - before there would be a chap at LM door - this chap would be that of enquiry - not suspicion at that point.
No search warrants just enquiries.
Let's be hypothetical - Chap by the police to enquire, information is given. The police notice there is a fire in the garden. What would that have changed?
Timescale for disposal - that is all.
I mentioned above the facts around the log burner - are you saying this is wrong?
It was 4 days until it was taken away.
There is nothing either way to say this is all that was used for burning.
The bins were emptied the next day.
There was neither a police or media presence there 24/7
There may very well have been at the Jones house - In those first moments - it was their daughter/sister/grand-daughter that was murdered
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When someone has consistently attempted to refute evidence to the point of ridiculousness - is is safe to say that denial has taken place in the first instance of a fire.
Are you letting us you know Faithlilly - that in those very first statements from the Mitchel family - they stated there was a fire that evening in the garden?
If so - why has this been continuously refuted over the years by those who campaign for innocence?
Evidence heard around this burning - around 7pm and again around 10pm.
I have had this query given before - The risk of the police chapping the Mitchells door at any time that evening.
The person who killed Jodi, knew there was slim to no chance of this girl being found over the course of the evening - proved to be correct - she wasn't.
The killer knew they had time on their hands for disposal of evidence.
The killer know that even IF this girl had been found by some dog walker/ person who was actually in the woods - there would more than ample time to identify who this girl was.
Substantial time - before there would be a chap at LM door - this chap would be that of enquiry - not suspicion at that point.
No search warrants just enquiries.
Let's be hypothetical - Chap by the police to enquire, information is given. The police notice there is a fire in the garden. What would that have changed?
Timescale for disposal - that is all.
I mentioned above the facts around the log burner - are you saying this is wrong?
It was 4 days until it was taken away.
There is nothing either way to say this is all that was used for burning.
The bins were emptied the next day.
There was neither a police or media presence there 24/7
There may very well have been at the Jones house - In those first moments - it was their daughter/sister/grand-daughter that was murdered
There was a fire in the wood burner on the night of the 30th of June. It was a summer evening, nothing had happened at that point to arouse any worry so having a fire in the wood burner probably on its own isn’t noteworthy. In fact one of the neighbours said it was inconsequential because it happened from time to time.
Having a wood burner myself once the fire dies down you put more logs or whatever you are burning on it, partly pampas grass and jotters in this case ( do the Scottish schools still break up around about the 30th of June ? Could that be why the jotters were being burned? ) and the smell gets stronger again, which may explain the smell both earlier and later in the evening. Further pampas grass would smell differently to logs when burned.
As to the Mitchell’s not mentioning the fire in their first statements, why would they? Why would they think it would warrant mentioning? Their family member’s girlfriend was dead, I’m sure the fact that they were having a fire didn’t enter their heads. Shane had helped a friend with his car on the night of the murder yet didn’t mention it in his first statement. Did that mean that he was hiding the information...no he simply forgot.
Did the Mitchell’s ever categorically deny that the wood burner was used that night? Luke certainly didn’t and if he was the master criminal you paint him to be that was certainly a bad slip.
What do you think of the dog’s dinner Jodi’s family’s timeline turned out to be? Jodi’s brother’s alibi was only corroborated by two members of his own family, his mum and stepfather, much like Luke.
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Did the Mitchell’s ever categorically deny that the wood burner was used that night? Luke certainly didn’t and if he was the master criminal you paint him to be that was certainly a bad slip.
He did
What did he tell the public in his Sky interview ? ⬇️
Transcript of Interview with James Matthews - SKY News on 3rd September 2003
JAMES MATTHEWS: This burning of clothes keeps getting mentioned and there is also the subject of a missing knife, is that your missing knife?
LUKE: No. The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.
JAMES MATTHEWS: Was that you or anyone connected to you?
LUKE: No, not that we know of.
Para 154 (from CoA judgement)
‘The first of these replies is that at page 17 of the transcript concerning the fire at the log burner in the back garden on 30 June 2003. The appellant agreed that his mother and brother had had a fire.
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He did
What did he tell the public in his Sky interview ? ⬇️
‘JAMES MATTHEWS: This burning of clothes keeps getting mentioned and there is also the subject of a missing knife, is that your missing knife?
LUKE: No. The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.’
Very specific...’the burning of clothes’. Not ‘did you have a fire’ to which Luke admitted that he had in his interview.
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‘JAMES MATTHEWS: This burning of clothes keeps getting mentioned and there is also the subject of a missing knife, is that your missing knife?
LUKE: No. The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.’
Very specific...’the burning of clothes’. Not ‘did you have a fire’ to which Luke admitted that he had in his interview.
Who does Mitchell mean by ‘they’ who is ‘they’?
And why did he choose to omit to answer the question about ‘a missing knife’?
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Who does Mitchell mean by ‘they’ who is ‘they’?
And why did he choose to omit to answer the question about ‘a missing knife’?
No idea.
Luke did not deny having a fire in the garden and then changed his mind as I assume your cites were supposed to prove. He simply denied burning clothes.
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Does Mitchell’s answer makes sense in respect of the context in which the question was asked?
‘The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.
And who’s the ‘suspect’ he’s referring to?
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Does Mitchell’s answer makes sense in respect of the context in which the question was asked?
‘The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.
And who’s the ‘suspect’ he’s referring to?
Does it matter who ‘they’ are? What we do know from the quote is that Luke claimed that it wasn’t his family who were burning clothes and it has never been proved that it was.
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Does it matter who ‘they’ are? What we do know from the quote is that Luke claimed that it wasn’t his family who were burning clothes and it has never been proved that it was.
So someone else was burning clothes in their log burner...?
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So someone else was burning clothes in their log burner...?
I don’t think that I said that but thank you for your input.
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Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.
Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."
That conversation may have taken place at one of their favourite hideaways, an alcove off King’s Park, Dalkeith, known locally as the China Gardens. It was a place for teenagers to gather and smoke. They lit up a joint and sat alone until a friend joined them.
Dobbie added: "I am making an informed hypothesis about how Jodi may have known that day. That in itself would certainly have been a cause for her to want to see him that night."
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/natural-born-killer-1-1401861
What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?
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Sandra Lean appears to continually suggest Mitchell was in a relationship with [Name removed] for around 5 months yet the CoA judgement suggests 3 months
Para 6
‘They began a relationship in around March 2003. From an early stage that relationship involved sexual intercourse. By June 2003 they were seeing each other most week nights, and at the weekend.
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What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?
This is absolutely untrue. A holiday had been planned by Corrine where Kimberley lived which would have meant that Luke saw her. The holiday had been cancelled. Luke was intending to have a birthday sleepover at a friend’s house with Jodi on the weekend the prosecution said that Luke would have seen Kimberly.
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If only you judged the slips and misremembering of other protagonists in the saga then you perhaps would reach a more evenhanded analysis of why the Mitchell’s recollections changed with time. The recollections of Jodi’s family are all over the place with statements changing by the day.
To the fire...the neighbour said he smelled the odour of burning around ten so why did CM wait so long to burn the clothes if, at any moment, Jodi could be found dead and the police could be at her door ?
Again and again you state claims as fact yet provided no evidence or context. Care to make your posts tidier?
Care to make your posts less passive aggressive?
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Care to make your posts less passive aggressive?
It was merely a suggestion.
Perhaps if you are so affected by having your claims questioned then this might not be the place for you.
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What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?
Does anyone for a second believe any of that rubbish anyway? Sandra Lean has an agenda and that by default renders any impartiality defunct. End off!!
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Does anyone for a second believe any of that rubbish anyway? Sandra Lean has an agenda and that by default renders any impartiality defunct. End off!!
Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.
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Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.
The difference is - John isn't all over Channel 5 and other media trying to set free a vicious murderer.
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Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.
No actual worries though - Lies, misleading and finger pointing will not get someone released.
I've often thought there is very much a lot of areas that go hand in hand. This agenda?
This has not been a tireless campaign for 17yrs to get a threat to society back on the street, it has very much been a two way street.
These cases of claimed wrongful conviction have went hand in hand with much of what has been a change in career.
Ample study material spaced over a period of approx 10yrs to gain university qualifications - HND through to Doctorate.
Book material - both of which have went hand in hand with campaigning.
The latter going hand in hand with the James English podcasts - promoting the books very well.
Both books being promoted, career of what one loves doing best set in place via running an organisation -
Ms Lean not LM at the helm - this is a career in accumulative suggested MOJ's
LM being the carrot to draw in support - to pay for Ms Leans man hours in this new career?
A goal is being achieved, good on her. - Let's not pretend this has been a selfless act for others though?
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It was merely a suggestion.
Perhaps if you are so affected by having your claims questioned then this might not be the place for you.
I haven't had my claims questioned - possibly because I haven't made any claims.
As for your suggestion that this might not be the place for me, that's not really for you to say - I think there's a moderation team for that - I'm sure they'll be in touch if there's a problem.
Your tone is quite antagonistic - there's no need for it.
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No actual worries though - Lies, misleading and finger pointing will not get someone released.
I've often thought there is very much a lot of areas that go hand in hand. This agenda?
This has not been a tireless campaign for 17yrs to get a threat to society back on the street, it has very much been a two way street.
These cases of claimed wrongful conviction have went hand in hand with much of what has been a change in career.
Ample study material spaced over a period of approx 10yrs to gain university qualifications - HND through to Doctorate.
Book material - both of which have went hand in hand with campaigning.
The latter going hand in hand with the James English podcasts - promoting the books very well.
Both books being promoted, career of what one loves doing best set in place via running an organisation -
Ms Lean not LM at the helm - this is a career in accumulative suggested MOJ's
LM being the carrot to draw in support - to pay for Ms Leans man hours in this new career?
A goal is being achieved, good on her. - Let's not pretend this has been a selfless act for others though?
You sound bitter.
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I haven't had my claims questioned - possibly because I haven't made any claims.
As for your suggestion that this might not be the place for me, that's not really for you to say - I think there's a moderation team for that - I'm sure they'll be in touch if there's a problem.
Your tone is quite antagonistic - there's no need for it.
Of course it’s not for me to say whether this is the place for you but you do seem rather sensitive to the cut and thrust of rather benign debate.
When I began to post on this particular forum there were also several other posters prepared to argue for Luke’s innocence. Unfortunately they have since either disappeared or fallen silent. One, I know, was because of their treatment here so yes there is a need for antagonism, unfortunately.
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Of course it’s not for me to say whether this is the place for you but you do seem rather sensitive to the cut and thrust of rather benign debate.
When I began to post on this particular forum there were also several other posters prepared to argue for Luke’s innocence. Unfortunately they have since either disappeared or fallen silent. One, I know, was because of their treatment here so yes there is a need for antagonism, unfortunately.
You're admitting that you are being antagonistic - I'll say it again - there's nae need for it.
I'm open to the possibility of Luke Mitchell being innocent, but I'm also open to the possibility of him being guilty.
You're only open to one of those possibilities - just as Dr Lean is - that's what makes her a poor academic.
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I’ve always said I’m not sure one way or another which is why I fully support an independent review. There was only a couple of things that could convince either way, One of which is what Luke’s brother had to say. For me his silence is currently damaging Luke’s case. It is now in the public eye more than it has ever been, I understand if he wants to keep his privacy but all he and his father would need to do, in order not to damage Luke’s case any further, would be to have Sandra release a statement on her live chat next week saying they support Luke and the independent review but will not be involved and wish to remain private, no further statements would be made. That would clarify their stance and stop any further questions. But the fact there is currently a wall of silence sadly speaks volumes in a lot of people’s eyes.
Either way I still fully support an independent review.
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You're admitting that you are being antagonistic - I'll say it again - there's nae need for it.
I'm open to the possibility of Luke Mitchell being innocent, but I'm also open to the possibility of him being guilty.
You're only open to one of those possibilities - just as Dr Lean is - that's what makes her a poor academic.
It seems to be you who are looking for a fight. Perhaps if you focus more on the case and less on me or your opinion of my posting style then we’ll get on better? Deal?
Anyhooo if you look at the case objectively and the shambles that the police made of elements as fundamental as the preservation of the body, gathering of forensics etc, etc etc then the man on the Clapham omnibus can only come to the conclusion that the case was contaminated from the beginning. The morning after he murder, as Dalkeith schoolchildren were arriving at school, Jodi’s body was still lying naked and uncovered yards from them.. How can you have any faith in the result of an investigation that was so shoddily carried out from the very beginning?
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I’ve always said I’m not sure one way or another which is why I fully support an independent review. There was only a couple of things that could convince either way, One of which is what Luke’s brother had to say. For me his silence is currently damaging Luke’s case. It is now in the public eye more than it has ever been, I understand if he wants to keep his privacy but all he and his father would need to do, in order not to damage Luke’s case any further, would be to have Sandra release a statement on her live chat next week saying they support Luke and the independent review but will not be involved and wish to remain private, no further statements would be made. That would clarify their stance and stop any further questions. But the fact there is currently a wall of silence sadly speaks volumes in a lot of people’s eyes.
Either way I still fully support an independent review.
I'm not sure Sandra would be the ideal candidate for them to release a statement though.
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I’ve always said I’m not sure one way or another which is why I fully support an independent review. There was only a couple of things that could convince either way, One of which is what Luke’s brother had to say. For me his silence is currently damaging Luke’s case. It is now in the public eye more than it has ever been, I understand if he wants to keep his privacy but all he and his father would need to do, in order not to damage Luke’s case any further, would be to have Sandra release a statement on her live chat next week saying they support Luke and the independent review but will not be involved and wish to remain private, no further statements would be made. That would clarify their stance and stop any further questions. But the fact there is currently a wall of silence sadly speaks volumes in a lot of people’s eyes.
Either way I still fully support an independent review.
People already think that Shane is a liar, do you think a statement now would change people’s entrenched views? I’m afraid rather than silencing sceptics it would still raise questions, just different ones.
I, like you, support an independent review where ALL the evidence collected can be scrutinised.
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I'm not sure Sandra would be the ideal candidate for them to release a statement though.
I agree. She would simply be disbelieved by those who don’t trust her already.
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I agree. She would simply be disbelieved by those who don’t trust her already.
It has nothing to do with disbelieve. If they do support Luke and wanted to go through Sandra, then they had the perfect opportunity to do so only a matter of weeks ago with the C5 documentary, they could have gone on record then. Preferably the same way Luke spoke by telephone. That way their identity could still have remained private.
There are more outlets they could use, to make their feelings public, using a number of media outlets that have more coverage, and they could do this though a solicitor. Meaning these media outlets could not twist their words.
I also might add, if they did not support Luke and wanted to say this though Sandra, do you think Sandra would promote this though one of her live chats? That would be very messy.
But we are talking 17 years here. And we have heard nothing from them. Silence, tells us all we need to know.
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It seems to be you who are looking for a fight. Perhaps if you focus more on the case and less on me or your opinion of my posting style then we’ll get on better? Deal?
Anyhooo if you look at the case objectively and the shambles that the police made of elements as fundamental as the preservation of the body, gathering of forensics etc, etc etc then the man on the Clapham omnibus can only come to the conclusion that the case was contaminated from the beginning. The morning after he murder, as Dalkeith schoolchildren were arriving at school, Jodi’s body was still lying naked and uncovered yards from them.. How can you have any faith in the result of an investigation that was so shoddily carried out from the very beginning?
Nah, I'm not interested in fighting, but your mind isn't open to all of the possibilities, and your tone isn't conducive to debate.
Folk will be less likely to opine on your posting style if you try to be a wee bit more civil - telling people to make their posts tidier, and saying this isn't the forum for you', etc', is always going to rub people up the wrong way.
I do think that the police made lots of mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean Luke Mitchell is innocent - he was he convicted by a jury, and all of the subsequent appeals came to nothing - there could be reasons for that.
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I’ve always said I’m not sure one way or another which is why I fully support an independent review. There was only a couple of things that could convince either way, One of which is what Luke’s brother had to say. For me his silence is currently damaging Luke’s case. It is now in the public eye more than it has ever been, I understand if he wants to keep his privacy but all he and his father would need to do, in order not to damage Luke’s case any further, would be to have Sandra release a statement on her live chat next week saying they support Luke and the independent review but will not be involved and wish to remain private, no further statements would be made. That would clarify their stance and stop any further questions. But the fact there is currently a wall of silence sadly speaks volumes in a lot of people’s eyes.
Either way I still fully support an independent review.
Is an independent review likely if there is no new evidence?
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Is an independent review likely if there is no new evidence?
I don’t think they need new evidence for an independent review, that just goes over everything to see if anything was missed and if everything was done correct, like the review into hillsborough.
New evidence would be needed for an appeal I think.
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I'm not sure Sandra would be the ideal candidate for them to release a statement though.
You may be right. But any kind of statements if they do indeed support Luke. If they don’t, staying silent says everything IMO.
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Nah, I'm not interested in fighting, but your mind isn't open to all of the possibilities, and your tone isn't conducive to debate.
Folk will be less likely to opine on your posting style if you try to be a wee bit more civil - telling people to make their posts tidier, and saying this isn't the forum for you', etc', is always going to rub people up the wrong way.
I do think that the police made lots of mistakes, but that doesn't necessarily mean Luke Mitchell is innocent - he was he convicted by a jury, and all of the subsequent appeals came to nothing - there could be reasons for that.
I’m afraid it’s you who decided to personalise things, even though the ‘tidier’ post wasn’t directed at you ( btw it was a bit of a joke to a poster who finishes most sentences with ‘messy’).
Further I am absolutely civil when I am treated in the same fashion. Unfortunately those occasions are very much in the minority since I first posted on the forum. Perhaps you haven’t noticed.
Anyhoo if you look at any individual who has been a victim of a miscarriage of justice the likelihood is that they’ve gone through several appeals before they are freed and their conviction quashed. The number of appeals rejected therefore cannot and should not be regarded as indicator of guilt or innocence.
As you yourself admit, the police made lots of mistakes and it is possible that any one of those mistakes, had they been carried out properly, could have completely exonerated Luke. Can you really say that with such a shoddy investigation Luke has been proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
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It has nothing to do with disbelieve. If they do support Luke and wanted to go through Sandra, then they had the perfect opportunity to do so only a matter of weeks ago with the C5 documentary, they could have gone on record then. Preferably the same way Luke spoke by telephone. That way their identity could still have remained private.
There are more outlets they could use, to make their feelings public, using a number of media outlets that have more coverage, and they could do this though a solicitor. Meaning these media outlets could not twist their words.
I also might add, if they did not support Luke and wanted to say this though Sandra, do you think Sandra would promote this though one of her live chats? That would be very messy.
But we are talking 17 years here. And we have heard nothing from them. Silence, tells us all we need to know.
It really doesn’t. Imagine tomorrow Shane said, say through a solicitor, I support my brother’s campaign to have his conviction overturned. Would it change anything? Would it replace his integrity in the eyes of those who doubt him? Would it make people who doubt Luke believe him?
There is nothing to be gained by Shane coming forward...not for Luke and definitely not for him and those who think there is are, with the greatest respect, being a tad naive.
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You may be right. But any kind of statements if they do indeed support Luke. If they don’t, staying silent says everything IMO.
And speaking up would damn him too.
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I’m afraid it’s you who decided to personalise things
Further I am absolutely civil when I am treated in the same fashion. Unfortunately those occasions are very much in the minority since I first posted on the forum. Perhaps you haven’t noticed.
Can you really say that with such a shoddy investigation Luke has been proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
1 - Nope - I just see you charging around being rude to people.
2 - I hadn't noticed - probably because you're so rude to people.
3 - There was always reasonable doubt, and it was never a safe conviction, but the jury thought otherwise, and LM may well have committed the murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence
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No investigation is ever perfect, more so where there is no concrete proof of liable.
Rather than trying to concentrate solely on the main points of evidence used at trial, I sought to understand why suspicion fell upon LM.
Why him and not these 'other' males that Ms Lean pushes out as being similar/lessor or greater candidates to LM?
Why were these males not in the dock - why LM?
The simplest, easiest answer is - the unfolding of the evidence itself.
Common sense would tell us that - other males closely linked were not simply ignored.
The very evidence LM gave, the narrative - was so full of holes, it ultimately raised red flags time after time.
Time the one area in itself that proved to be fatal against LM.
A narrative told - that really did not stand the test of time.
10 mins: around the dinner time.
10 mins: to find Jodi Jones.
7 mins: to get from his house onto Roansdyke Path.
These are but three areas - It is these very timings that held no water in the narrative told.
The crown took on the case to prosecute - they did so as they believed there was a case to answer to.
If all had been as flimsy as some believe - the verdict would have been different.
Isn't it just a little ironic that someone, based on their own narrative, who states there was no evidence to convict LM feels that others with less
evidence by far, should have been in his place - Really?
Not only that, this person does not just stop at that but actually attempts to hang them out to dry - repeatedly.
By lying, manipulating, theorizing - Because they can not disprove the evidence held against LM.
The very evidence that ultimately - stemmed from LM himself.
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People already think that Shane is a liar, do you think a statement now would change people’s entrenched views? I’m afraid rather than silencing sceptics it would still raise questions, just different ones.
I, like you, support an independent review where ALL the evidence collected can be scrutinised.
Cant speak for everyone but I cannot stress enough as someone who doubts lukes innocence, how devastating it would be to my position if shane spoke publicly of his support for luke and his attempts at independent review and retrial. It's one of a very few potential pieces of new information that would force me to re-evaluate my whole stance.
he has proven himself as a capable, trustworthy and hardworking individual and worthwhile member of society since the events of the mid 2000s
similarly think a lot of those who currently support retrial / review would reconsider if shane gave an account publicly of his sincere belief in his brothers guilt (and detailed the reasons why)
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1 - Nope - I just see you charging around being rude to people.
2 - I hadn't noticed - probably because you're so rude to people.
3 - There was always reasonable doubt, and it was never a safe conviction, but the jury thought otherwise, and LM may well have committed the murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence
He may well have done but at least 7 of the jury could possibly have disagreed and I can understand why. On the first day of the deliberations I believe that the jury were irreconcilably split. They were not sequestered as they should have been but sent home to talk to there families, read the papers...who knows. That they came back the next day and still some could not agree that the evidence was enough to convict speaks volumes to me.
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No investigation is ever perfect, more so where there is no concrete proof of liable.
Rather than trying to concentrate solely on the main points of evidence used at trial, I sought to understand why suspicion fell upon LM.
Why him and not these 'other' males that Ms Lean pushes out as being similar/lessor or greater candidates to LM?
Why were these males not in the dock - why LM?
The simplest, easiest answer is - the unfolding of the evidence itself.
Common sense would tell us that - other males closely linked were not simply ignored.
The very evidence LM gave, the narrative - was so full of holes, it ultimately raised red flags time after time.
Time the one area in itself that proved to be fatal against LM.
A narrative told - that really did not stand the test of time.
10 mins: around the dinner time.
10 mins: to find Jodi Jones.
7 mins: to get from his house onto Roansdyke Path.
These are but three areas - It is these very timings that held no water in the narrative told.
The crown took on the case to prosecute - they did so as they believed there was a case to answer to.
If all had been as flimsy as some believe - the verdict would have been different.
Isn't it just a little ironic that someone, based on their own narrative, who states there was no evidence to convict LM feels that others with less
evidence by far, should have been in his place - Really?
Not only that, this person does not just stop at that but actually attempts to hang them out to dry - repeatedly.
By lying, manipulating, theorizing - Because they can not disprove the evidence held against LM.
The very evidence that ultimately - stemmed from LM himself.
Jodi’s family’s timings were all over the place too. Does that make them guilty?
The flimsiness of the evidence produced an irreconcilably split jury on the first day of deliberations and a majority verdict on the second so possibly 7 of those 15 jurors believed that the crown hadn’t proven their case either.
Where I do agree with you is that it is unfair to name individuals you suspect may be involved who are not Luke.
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Cant speak for everyone but I cannot stress enough as someone who doubts lukes innocence, how devastating it would be to my position if shane spoke publicly of his support for luke and his attempts at independent review and retrial. It's one of a very few potential pieces of new information that would force me to re-evaluate my whole stance.
he has proven himself as a capable, trustworthy and hardworking individual and worthwhile member of society since the events of the mid 2000s
similarly think a lot of those who currently support retrial / review would reconsider if shane gave an account publicly of his sincere belief in his brothers guilt (and detailed the reasons why)
Perhaps he will when there is an independent review and his recollections are dealt with within a proper legal framework.
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He may well have done but at least 7 of the jury could possibly have disagreed and I can understand why. On the first day of the deliberations I believe that the jury were irreconcilably split. They were not sequestered as they should have been but sent home to talk to there families, read the papers...who knows. That they came back the next day and still some could not agree that the evidence was enough to convict speaks volumes to me.
The judge said they would accept a majority verdict - again, there may have been good reasons for that.
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The judge said they would accept a majority verdict - again, there may have been good reasons for that.
They always say that in Scotland as it is common practise to convict on a majority verdict whereas the opposite applies in the rest of the UK. Just goes to show how out of step the Scottish system is. Mitchell would most probably not have been convicted on the evidence had he been tried anywhere else in the UK.
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The flimsiness of the evidence produced an irreconcilably split jury on the first day of deliberations and a majority verdict on the second so possibly 7 of those 15 jurors believed that the crown hadn’t proven their case either.
Where do you get this information from ?
Simply not true - the Jury returned on the same day in under 6 hours hours with a majority vote. Around 4hrs?
Perhaps a more detailed explanation of what is meant by timings Faithlilly.
Everyone close in the immediate aftermath of this murder would have statements taken.
Estimated times around certain areas of information are given.
The police investigate this - they use phone records and so forth to establish more accurate times.
When doing these investigation and timings it becomes clear to them - who's stand up to scrutiny.
Through this process it would become clearer to the police - who they could eliminate and those they could not.
Perhaps the police would have been more suspicious - If some of these 'others' statements were as precised as those of the Mitchels.
Common sense again tells us - people were not simply overlooked.
Clear reasons as to why LM could not be overlooked.
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Given the length of time the Jury were out - a more feasible 13/2 Majority is likely.
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Given the length of time the Jury were out - a more feasible 13/2 Majority is likely.
Within 24hrs for clarification given that the court was closed overnight. Around 5hrs in total for the verdict to be reached.
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Is an independent review likely
It’s a gimmick
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It really doesn’t. Imagine tomorrow Shane said, say through a solicitor, I support my brother’s campaign to have his conviction overturned. Would it change anything? Would it replace his integrity in the eyes of those who doubt him? Would it make people who doubt Luke believe him?
There is nothing to be gained by Shane coming forward...not for Luke and definitely not for him and those who think there is are, with the greatest respect, being a tad naive.
Thought you would come back with that one. You and I know very well Shane has never supported Luke's version of events or made any effort whatsoever to publicly support any of the campaigns raised on his behalf. I don't believe he has ever visited him once in prison and for all intents and purposes is estranged from their mother. Little wonder she ended up living in a shed, could Sandra Lean not have put a roof over her head long ago since she promotes such empathy towards her? And I think we all know the answer to that one.
Let's be honest Faith, had Shane had any empathy towards his brother he would have made that known long ago. Anyone reading the story for the first time can see straight away that there was a problem with the two boys conflicting versions of events and changing statements. For any innocent person this was an opportunity lost, no wonder the police went to town with Shane Mitchell, they could clearly see that there had been a conspiracy to defeat the ends of justice.
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The judge said they would accept a majority verdict - again, there may have been good reasons for that.
Yes, some of the jurors didn’t think that the Crown had proved their case.
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They always say that in Scotland as it is common practise to convict on a majority verdict whereas the opposite applies in the rest of the UK. Just goes to show how out of step the Scottish system is. Mitchell would most probably not have been convicted on the evidence had he been tried anywhere else in the UK.
Indeed.
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Indeed.
The jury also had choice of not proven verdict. They didn't think that was case.
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The jury also had choice of not proven verdict. They didn't think that was case.
At least 8 of them didn’t...the rest who knows. I suppose that’s why a not proven verdict wasn’t considered.
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At least 8 of them didn’t...the rest who knows. I suppose that’s why a not proven verdict wasn’t considered.
Yes probably why it wasn't considered so at least 8 thought he was guilty. It could easily have been as much as 13 or 14 thought he was guilty. Only the jury will ever know that
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Yes probably why it wasn't considered so at least 8 thought he was guilty. It could easily have been as much as 13 or 14 thought he was guilty. Only the jury will ever know that
The judge allowed the jury to go home as they were irretrievably split. That doesn’t suggest double figures on either side. In fact quite the opposite.
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The judge allowed the jury to go home as they were irretrievably split. That doesn’t suggest double figures on either side. In fact quite the opposite.
stating that the jury was irretrievably split is misleading. If that was case they would have been unable to reach a verdict. Also more than likely judge allowed them to go home as they still hadn't reached a verdict and it was end of court day. It happens. Juries can sometimes take several days to reach a verdict in high court trials
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stating that the jury was irretrievably split is misleading. If that was case they would have been unable to reach a verdict. Also more than likely judge allowed them to go home as they still hadn't reached a verdict and it was end of court day. It happens. Juries can sometimes take several days to reach a verdict in high court trials
Its called grasping at straws Mrs S. Only a jury knows what goes on in a jury room or what the split might be. I personally don't read anything into the judge sending the jury home, it is normal practise at days end.
What would be of interest and is unknown even to Sandra Lean was what the majority verdict was. Was it 14 to 1 or 8 to 7 or somewhere in between.
The judge asks the jury foreman if they have reached a verdict, unanimous or by majority. He does not ask for the split count and it is never given.
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Its called grasping at straws Mrs S. Only a jury knows what goes on in a jury room or what the split might be. I personally don't read anything into the judge sending the jury home, it is normal practise at days end.
What would be of interest and is unknown even to Sandra Lean was what the majority verdict was. Was it 14 to 1 or 8 to 7 or somewhere in between.
The judge asks the jury foreman if they have reached a verdict, unanimous or by majority. He does not ask for the split count and it is never given.
Exactly John. Thats point I was making. So what was quoted about jury is either misleading or lies. Judges send juries home at end of day is common practice but not in this case apparently there has to be some reason other than its end of day. Those interpretations would be laughable if wasn't such a serious issue
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stating that the jury was irretrievably split is misleading. If that was case they would have been unable to reach a verdict. Also more than likely judge allowed them to go home as they still hadn't reached a verdict and it was end of court day. It happens. Juries can sometimes take several days to reach a verdict in high court trials
The result was a majority verdict therefore some of the jurors weren’t convinced by the Crown’s case.
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The result was a majority verdict therefore some of the jurors weren’t convinced by the Crown’s case.
That’s what a majority verdict means, perhaps you should campaign to make all majority verdicts null and void, assuming none of them is safe in your opinion?
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Its called grasping at straws Mrs S. Only a jury knows what goes on in a jury room or what the split might be. I personally don't read anything into the judge sending the jury home, it is normal practise at days end.
What would be of interest and is unknown even to Sandra Lean was what the majority verdict was. Was it 14 to 1 or 8 to 7 or somewhere in between.
The judge asks the jury foreman if they have reached a verdict, unanimous or by majority. He does not ask for the split count and it is never given.
The jury were irretrievably split...that is why there was a majority verdict. It’s not clutching at straws, it’s simply a fact.
The cast iron case that many tout here, even though they weren’t privy to all of the evidence, failed to convince some of the jurors who were. As Angelo said earlier, if this case had been tried in England Luke would more than likely be a free man now.
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Exactly John. Thats point I was making. So what was quoted about jury is either misleading or lies. Judges send juries home at end of day is common practice but not in this case apparently there has to be some reason other than its end of day. Those interpretations would be laughable if wasn't such a serious issue
Was the jury irretrievably split or was there a unanimous verdict?
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The jury were irretrievably split...that is why there was a majority verdict. It’s not clutching at straws, it’s simply a fact.
The cast iron case that many tout here, even though they weren’t privy to all of the evidence, failed to convince some of the jurors who were. As Angelo said earlier, if this case had been tried in England Luke would more than likely be a free man now.
The jury was privvy to all evidence and they came to majority verdict. Irretrievably split is your words I'm assuming. You have no idea what went on in jury room and that's as it rightly should be. Yes verdict was majority. It might not have been far off a unanimous verdict and not as close a call as you make out
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The jury was privvy to all evidence and they came to majority verdict. Irretrievably split is your words I'm assuming. You have no idea what went on in jury room and that's as it rightly should be. Yes verdict was majority. It might not have been far off a unanimous verdict and not as close a call as you make our
Or it might have been 7 to 8. No matter what the numbers the jury was irretrievably split. How do I know that...because it was a majority verdict. Some of the jurors were not convinced that the Crown had proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and as Angelo posted earlier if Luke had been an English citizen he would be a free man now.
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Or it might have been 7 to 8. No matter what the numbers the jury was irretrievably split. How do I know that...because it was a majority verdict. Some of the jurors were not convinced that the Crown had proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and as Angelo posted earlier if Luke had been an English citizen he would be a free man now.
The majority did think it was proven beyond reasonable doubt regardless of whether it was 8/7 or 14/1. As he was tried in Scotland its Scottish laws that matter not English laws. By your reckoning everyone that was convicted on a majority verdict should be freed. You really are clutching at straws
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Or it might have been 7 to 8. No matter what the numbers the jury was irretrievably split. How do I know that...because it was a majority verdict. Some of the jurors were not convinced that the Crown had proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and as Angelo posted earlier if Luke had been an English citizen he would be a free man now.
Not necessarily. The jury may have been instructed to consider their verdict for longer, or there may have been a re-trial.
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Is this true?
Verdict and sentence[edit]
On 21 January 2005, the jury found him guilty after five hours of deliberation
Five hours??!
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The majority did think it was proven beyond reasonable doubt regardless of whether it was 8/7 or 14/1. As he was tried in Scotland its Scottish laws that matter not English laws. By your reckoning everyone that was convicted on a majority verdict should be freed. You really are clutching at straws
If have never said that and I don’t know where you got that idea. I was merely pointing out the disparity between the two judicial systems.
Bottom line, if the Crown’s case had been as convincing as some here paint it then a unanimous verdict would have been easily achieved. Quite obviously that wasn’t the case.
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. It doesn't have to be a unanimous verdict. Majority were convinced beyond reasonable doubt by the crown, thats what matters in Scottish law therefor your argument is invalid.
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If have never said that and I don’t know where you got that idea. I was merely pointing out the disparity between the two judicial systems.
Bottom line, if the Crown’s case had been as convincing as some here paint it then a unanimous verdict would have been easily achieved. Quite obviously that wasn’t the case.
How do you decide which majority verdicts are safe and which ones aren’t, consisdering that some of the jury disagree with the majority? You can’t have it both ways, picking and choosing which ones you think are unsafe based on a majority rather than unanimous verdict.
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. It doesn't have to be a unanimous verdict. Majority were convinced beyond reasonable doubt by the crown, thats what matters in Scottish law therefor your argument is invalid.
My ‘argument’ was that the jury was irretrievably split..the majority verdict proves that. That the minority of jurors who weren’t convinced of Luke’s guilt could have been as high as 7...that is simply logic.
And of course it doesn’t have to be a unanimous verdict but the fact that it wasn’t suggest the Crown’s case was somewhat less than compelling.
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My ‘argument’ was that the jury was irretrievably split..the majority verdict proves that. That the minority of jurors who weren’t convinced of Luke’s guilt could have been as high as 7...that is simply logic.
And of course it doesn’t have to be a unanimous verdict but the fact that it wasn’t suggest the Crown’s case was somewhat less than compelling.
It also could've been 1 who was in the minority! Only the jury know that! So the argument is invalid.Clearly the crowns case wasn't somewhat less than compelling or he would've been found not guilty. On other hand if crowns case was as less compelling than you allege, the defense would have no problem convincing the jury he was not guilty or not proven.
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It also could've been 1 who was in the minority! Only the jury know that! So the argument is invalid.Clearly the crowns case wasn't somewhat less than compelling or he would've been found not guilty. On other hand if crowns case was as less compelling than you allege, the defense would have no problem convincing the jury he was not guilty or not proven.
The argument, I prefer point, is perfectly valid. If the Crown’s case had been compelling then a unanimous verdict would have been the outcome...it wasn’t.
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The argument, I prefer point, is perfectly valid. If the Crown’s case had been compelling then a unanimous verdict would have been the outcome...it wasn’t.
I'll repeat. It was compelling enough for a majority verdict. Whatever the ratio. And compelling enough that defense couldn't convince jury of innocence. By your point people convicted on majority verdict should be freed or is it just relevant in lukes case
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It’s a ridiculous argument. You could say if it was a majority of 11 to 4 then that would be equal to a unanimous verdict delivered by an 11 person jury in England. The number of jurors who dissented does not give you degrees of guilt or innocence, you either accept the concept of majority verdicts as applied to all cases or you reject them completely, you can’t just accept the ones you agree with and bin off the rest!
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It’s a ridiculous argument. You could say if it was a majority of 11 to 4 then that would be equal to a unanimous verdict delivered by an 11 person jury in England. The number of jurors who dissented does not give you degrees of guilt or innocence, you either accept the concept of majority verdicts as applied to all cases or you reject them completely, you can’t just accept the ones you agree with and bin off the rest!
Majority verdicts make a nonsense of the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' requirement. How can any verdict be seen as safe when nearly half the jurors vote not guilty as in a 8/7 or 9/6 decision?
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Majority verdicts make a nonsense of the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' requirement. How can any verdict be seen as safe when nearly half the jurors vote not guilty as in a 8/7 or 9/6 decision?
Then if that is your view you should consider ALL majority verdicts unsafe and campaign to have them ALL overturned, not pick and choose the ones you think are miscarriages of justice.
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Then if that is your view you should consider ALL majority verdicts unsafe and campaign to have them ALL overturned, not pick and choose the ones you think are miscarriages of justice.
Majority verdicts go against the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' prerequisite for a conviction according to law, they are archaic in every sense of the word and should be outlawed in modern-day society.
How can anyone possibly argue that someone is guilty when 7 jurors don't think so?
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Majority verdicts make a nonsense of the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' requirement. How can any verdict be seen as safe when nearly half the jurors vote not guilty as in a 8/7 or 9/6 decision?
I agree. It seems ridiculous, IMO. However, verdicts where the vast majority of jurors (eg 10 or 11 out of 12) agree, are ok, IMO. If those were not allowed, some juries would never reach a verdict.
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Majority verdicts make a nonsense of the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' requirement. How can any verdict be seen as safe when nearly half the jurors vote not guilty as in a 8/7 or 9/6 decision?
Exactly.
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Majority verdicts go against the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' prerequisite for a conviction according to law, they are archaic in every sense of the word and should be outlawed in modern-day society.
How can anyone possibly argue that someone is guilty when 7 jurors don't think so?
You therefore MUST be on the side of Luke Mitchell who was clearly not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt in your view?
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You therefore MUST be on the side of Luke Mitchell who was clearly not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt in your view?
By no means. You misunderstand my position.
I disagree with majority verdicts except in the very rare occasions in England, Wales and N Ireland where a judge in his discretion will allow a 11 to 1 verdict.
My position in the Luke Mitchell case is very simple, in my opinion the evidence points to his guilt.
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By no means. You misunderstand my position.
I disagree with majority verdicts except in the very rare occasions in England, Wales and N Ireland where a judge in his discretion will allow a 11 to 1 verdict.
My position in the Luke Mitchell case is very simple, in my opinion the evidence points to his guilt.
Your position is entirely contradictory in my opinion.
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Your position is entirely contradictory in my opinion.
What is contradictory exactly? I can't be clearer, I disagree with simple majority verdicts and imo Luke Mitchell looks guilty from everything I have seen and read about the case. Had the police forensics not messed up the site of the murder we might have had a unanimous verdict and avoided all this confusion.
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What is contradictory exactly? I can't be clearer, I disagree with simple majority verdicts and imo Luke Mitchell looks guilty from everything I have seen and read about the case. Had the police forensics not messed up the site of the murder we might have had a unanimous verdict and avoided all this confusion.
Your position is (IMO) contradictory because, despite your opinion that Luke is guilty, you also do not believe that his guilt been established "beyond all reasonable doubt". Therefore as there IS doubt about his guilt (certainly as far as the jury was concerned), he should surely, at the very least, be entitled to a re-trial in your view? If not, why not? Just because you think he's guilty?
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Your position is (IMO) contradictory because, despite your opinion that Luke is guilty, you also do not believe that his guilt been established "beyond all reasonable doubt". Therefore as there IS doubt about his guilt (certainly as far as the jury was concerned), he should surely, at the very least, be entitled to a re-trial in your view? If not, why not? Just because you think he's guilty?
I understand what you are saying but he has had several opportunities to demonstrate innocence and failed every time. The last review wasn't even referred to the court of appeal.
I don't believe the trial proved that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt simply because the evidence was exclusively circumstantial. I can understand why the jury was conflicted but ultimately decided on a guilty verdict.
Sandra Lean is calling for an 'independent review' of the case but that is something that can only be done if compelling new evidence is found or a new witness steps forward with credible information. None of that has happened. There have been no similar assaults of young woman in the Lothians so one can only come to the conclusion that this was an isolated event and that the killer is behind bars.
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I understand what you are saying but he has had several opportunities to demonstrate innocence and failed every time. The last review wasn't even referred to the court of appeal.
I don't believe the trial proved that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt simply because the evidence was exclusively circumstantial. I can understand why the jury was conflicted but ultimately decided on a guilty verdict.
Sandra Lean is calling for an 'independent review' of the case but that is something that can only be done if compelling new evidence is found or a new witness steps forward with credible information. None of that has happened. There have been no similar assaults of young woman in the Lothians so one can only come to the conclusion that this was an isolated event and that the killer is behind bars.
I think on something as serious as a man's liberty we can't simply assume the right man is behind bars based on the fact that no similar crimes have been committed in the area. I tend to think Mitchell is guilty but I can see why some people might think there was an argument for a retrial based on the "beyond reasonable doubt" threshold not having been achieved in court. You yourself have claimed that had he been tried in England he would have spent the last 20 years walking around as a free man. Did you see the recent case of the man tried for the murder of his wife in a swimming pool on holiday? The judge said he probably did it but advised the jury to find him not guilty, which they did, much to the horror of the woman's family. On the face of it a no brainer that he committed the murder, but without the clinching evidence that he did (and this is also incidentally the stage that I think the Germans are at in the McCann case).
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I think on something as serious as a man's liberty we can't simply assume the right man is behind bars based on the fact that no similar crimes have been committed in the area. I tend to think Mitchell is guilty but I can see why some people might think there was an argument for a retrial based on the "beyond reasonable doubt" threshold not having been achieved in court. You yourself have claimed that had he been tried in England he would have spent the last 20 years walking around as a free man. Did you see the recent case of the man tried for the murder of his wife in a swimming pool on holiday? The judge said he probably did it but advised the jury to find him not guilty, which they did, much to the horror of the woman's family. On the face of it a no brainer that he committed the murder, but without the clinching evidence that he did (and this is also incidentally the stage that I think the Germans are at in the McCann case).
I have some sympathy with that certainly.
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I understand what you are saying but he has had several opportunities to demonstrate innocence and failed every time. The last review wasn't even referred to the court of appeal.
I don't believe the trial proved that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt simply because the evidence was exclusively circumstantial. I can understand why the jury was conflicted but ultimately decided on a guilty verdict.
Sandra Lean is calling for an 'independent review' of the case but that is something that can only be done if compelling new evidence is found or a new witness steps forward with credible information. None of that has happened. There have been no similar assaults of young woman in the Lothians so one can only come to the conclusion that this was an isolated event and that the killer is behind bars.
IF Luke is guilty, he killed his girlfriend, which makes it personal, although I cannot pretend to guess what his motive would have been. There is no reason to think that someone who kills his girlfriend for a specific reason, is going to become a serial killer of young girls/women.
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Sandra Lean is calling for an 'independent review' of the case but that is something that can only be done if compelling new evidence is found or a new witness steps forward with credible information. None of that has happened. There have been no similar assaults of young woman in the Lothians so one can only come to the conclusion that this was an isolated event and that the killer is behind bars.
Is that correct? I thought new evidence was required for an appeal etc but not independent review? Have I misunderstood?
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Is that correct? I thought new evidence was required for an appeal etc but not independent review? Have I misunderstood?
That’s how I understand it.
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Is that correct? I thought new evidence was required for an appeal etc but not independent review? Have I misunderstood?
Sandra Lean has an issue with the SCCRC after they torpedoed her last submission. She is trying to bypass the Commission by demanding an independent review. That will never happen just because a bunch of people sign a petition. The rules in Scotland are clear, all reviews go through the SCCRC, to change that you need to change the law.
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IF Luke is guilty, he killed his girlfriend, which makes it personal, although I cannot pretend to guess what his motive would have been. There is no reason to think that someone who kills his girlfriend for a specific reason, is going to become a serial killer of young girls/women.
Jodi was supposed to have found out about Luke dating another girl. Look at Jodi’s diary, not one hint of suspicion. She
also wrote in her diary that if she lost Luke she’d die, or words to that effect. Now look at Jodi’s demeanour on the night of her death. According to witnesses she was her usual self. Does that sound as if she had found out that Luke was two timing her?
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Sandra Lean has an issue with the SCCRC after they torpedoed her last submission. She is trying to bypass the Commission by demanding an independent review. That will never happen just because a bunch of people sign a petition. The rules in Scotland are clear, all reviews go through the SCCRC, to change that you need to change the law.
I have to agree. At this point in time I’m afraid that an independent review will not happen.
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IF Luke is guilty, he killed his girlfriend, which makes it personal, although I cannot pretend to guess what his motive would have been. There is no reason to think that someone who kills his girlfriend for a specific reason, is going to become a serial killer of young girls/women.
But everyone has to start somewhere.
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Jodi was supposed to have found out about Luke dating another girl. Look at Jodi’s diary, not one hint of suspicion. She
also wrote in her diary that if she lost Luke she’d die, or words to that effect. Now look at Jodi’s demeanour on the night of her death. According to witnesses she was her usual self. Does that sound as if she had found out that Luke was two timing her?
Even if she had found out, and was upset and/or angry, why would Luke have killed her? Teenage boys and girls two time, and dump each other all the time, without it leading to murder!
Unless Luke was high on drugs, I can't see any reason why he would have murdered his girlfriend, of all people.
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Even if she had found out, and was upset and/or angry, why would Luke have killed her? Teenage boys and girls two time, and dump each other all the time, without it leading to murder!
Unless Luke was high on drugs, I can't see any reason why he would have murdered his girlfriend, of all people.
It appears that Dalkeith was a hotbed of teenage cannabis use at the time.
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Even if she had found out, and was upset and/or angry, why would Luke have killed her? Teenage boys and girls two time, and dump each other all the time, without it leading to murder!
Unless Luke was high on drugs, I can't see any reason why he would have murdered his girlfriend, of all people.
Perhaps you can posit any good reason for anyone to have butchered a teenage girl in such a manner?
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What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Luke Mitchell’s suicide idealisations?
Luke Mitchell
The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide, but all that went away. She became my connection to the world [/b]
And what did Mitchell mean when he referred to ‘my connection to the world’? Baring in mind he was a man when he stated this - not a 14 year old
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Luke Mitchell
The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
Has anyone asked the Mitchell’s or Sandra Lean to explain any of this?
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“I was always bullied as a kid - by my teachers, other schoolkids. I was always taught never throw the first punch. I've always been blamed for things I didn't do. This situation is an escalated version of that.”
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Luke Mitchell stated to Rozlyn Little
The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide
Who did Mitchell speak to regarding his suicide idealisations?
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Even if she had found out, and was upset and/or angry, why would Luke have killed her? Teenage boys and girls two time, and dump each other all the time, without it leading to murder!
Unless Luke was high on drugs, I can't see any reason why he would have murdered his girlfriend, of all people.
I recommend ‘In Control: Dangerous Relationships and How They End in Murder’ by Prof Jane Mockton Smith
‘In the UK, every week three women are killed by their partners. Over half the women killed by men are killed by a current or ex-partner. On average domestic abuse victims are assaulted 68 times before calling the police. There is a domestic violence epidemic happening right now, yet as a society we still turn a blind eye to it. In a culture that has normalised misogyny, we determinedly cling to the belief that domestic violence is a private matter in which both parties bear some responsibility. Even our legal system legitimises the idea that people who hurt or kill their partners have snapped and lost control, committed a 'crime of passion'. But domestic violence has a clear pattern. Jealousy. Controlling behaviour. Stalking. Verbal abuse. A history of violence. Specialising in homicide, stalking and coercive control, internationally renowned forensic criminologist and former police officer Jane Monckton-Smith has spent decades researching domestic violence cases that have ended in homicide. From her research she developed an 8-stage timeline which has revolutionised the approach to predicting homicide in domestic abuse cases. Part case study, part social commentary and part memoir of a woman dealing with domestic homicide, In Control shows that there are clear signs when a relationship is about to turn violent - we've just been trained not to see them
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I recommend ‘In Control: Dangerous Relationships and How They End in Murder’ by Prof Jane Mockton Smith
‘In the UK, every week three women are killed by their partners. Over half the women killed by men are killed by a current or ex-partner. On average domestic abuse victims are assaulted 68 times before calling the police. There is a domestic violence epidemic happening right now, yet as a society we still turn a blind eye to it. In a culture that has normalised misogyny, we determinedly cling to the belief that domestic violence is a private matter in which both parties bear some responsibility. Even our legal system legitimises the idea that people who hurt or kill their partners have snapped and lost control, committed a 'crime of passion'. But domestic violence has a clear pattern. Jealousy. Controlling behaviour. Stalking. Verbal abuse. A history of violence. Specialising in homicide, stalking and coercive control, internationally renowned forensic criminologist and former police officer Jane Monckton-Smith has spent decades researching domestic violence cases that have ended in homicide. From her research she developed an 8-stage timeline which has revolutionised the approach to predicting homicide in domestic abuse cases. Part case study, part social commentary and part memoir of a woman dealing with domestic homicide, In Control shows that there are clear signs when a relationship is about to turn violent - we've just been trained not to see them
Prof Monckton Smith has apparently looked into [Name removed]’s murder and stated recently (Although having not seen the channel 5 show) in response to comments on secondary DNA transfer and/or contamination
‘The so-called CSI effect may be relevant. The expectation that forensic evidence is always there is misleading’
And Prof David Wilson appeared to agree with the above
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Luke Mitchell
The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
Has anyone asked the Mitchell’s or Sandra Lean to explain any of this?
2018
“I was always bullied as a kid - by my teachers, other schoolkids. I was always taught never throw the first punch. I've always been blamed for things I didn't do. This situation is an escalated version of that.”
There were further references to suicide in/on Luke Mitchell’s school jotters
Mitchell wrote:
“Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
Source: https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
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In response to the question:
“What influence did the media coverage on the case have on the public’s perception of Luke Mitchell?”
Sandra Lean made reference to photographs of inside Luke Mitchell’s house
Sandra Lean
There was stuff from inside Luke’s house, photographs from inside Luke’s house Well those reporters were never inside Luke’s house The only place they could of come from was the investigation
What date were the bedroom photographs published - does anyone know?
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Sandra Lean stated
’There was stuff from inside Luke’s house, photographs from inside Luke’s house Well those reporters were never inside Luke’s house The only place they could of come from was the investigation
There were reporters inside the Mitchell’s house - on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral - invited in by Corrine Mitchell
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=67.msg458#msg458
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Sandra Lean stated
’There was stuff from inside Luke’s house, photographs from inside Luke’s house Well those reporters were never inside Luke’s house The only place they could of come from was the investigation
There were reporters inside the Mitchell’s house - on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral - invited in by Corrine Mitchell
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=67.msg458#msg458
Sandra Lean stated the above during an interview for ‘A state on mind’
In her interview with James English,
Sandra states,
“It started to become apparent there were two two things that started to become apparent the first was that some of this information had to be coming from the police erm you know information about the layout of the family home unless unless it was people who’d been in the family home where else was that information coming from “
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Sandra Lean stated the above during an interview for ‘A state on mind’
In her interview with James English,
Sandra states,
“It started to become apparent there were two two things that started to become apparent the first was that some of this information had to be coming from the police erm you know information about the layout of the family home unless unless it was people who’d been in the family home where else was that information coming from “
James Mathews from sky news was in house on day of funeral. His interview with luke and corrine is still out there.
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James Mathews from sky news was in house on day of funeral. His interview with luke and corrine is still out there.
Exactly Mrs S - as I pointed out here ⬇️
There were reporters inside the Mitchell’s house - on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral - invited in by Corrine Mitchell
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=67.msg458#msg458
What dates is Sandra Lean referring to?
And did James Matthews go into the Mitchell home with a team of people ?
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
Has anyone asked the Mitchell’s or Sandra Lean to explain any of this?
2018
“I was always bullied as a kid - by my teachers, other schoolkids. I was always taught never throw the first punch. I've always been blamed for things I didn't do. This situation is an escalated version of that.”
There were further references to suicide in/on Luke Mitchell’s school jotters
Mitchell wrote:
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Source: https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
Luke Mitchell stated in 2018,
“The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide”
Sandra Lean states to James English
“There were no issues in his childhood there was a school report that he’d erm he’d been pulled up for throwing a missile at another student and his mum was called into the school it was a half Mars bar but again this was used after the event that’s about the only thing in his erm
What about Luke Mitchell’s suicide idealisations ?
And what about this ⬇️
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
And what about the previous allegations of knife threats against females - like for example the one said to have occurred when his father Philip was present
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When Luke Mitchell made this statement to Rozlyn Little in 2018 he would have been around 30 years old
“The last time I was truly happy was with Jodi. I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide”
Why does Sandra Lean and Corrine Mitchell continuously appear to ignore these alarm bells?
previous allegations of knife threats against females
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
Would Sandra Lean have ignored the suicide stuff if they were made by her own children?
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James Mathews from sky news was in house on day of funeral. His interview with luke and corrine is still out there.
What’s also highly relevant regarding Luke Mitchell’s interview in September 2003 with James Matthews is this from the CoA judgement:
Para 55
Most of the publicity had occurred in the immediate aftermath of the death of the deceased. It was a matter of concession that, by around September 2003, the intensity of the coverage had very largely died down
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Para 54:
Furthermore, it ought to be recognised that a substantial part of the publicity which the case had attracted was based upon statements made by or on behalf of the appellant. The fact that some of the publicity had been generated in that way was relevant to the present issue. If some disadvantage was self-inflicted, the appellant could hardly complain of it. https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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These "live weekly updates" Sandra is doing on YouTube with a big smile on her face addressing viewers like they're her fans is making me quite nauseous. No one should be enjoying a murder this much.
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These "live weekly updates" Sandra is doing on YouTube with a big smile on her face addressing viewers like they're her fans is making me quite nauseous. No one should be enjoying a murder this much.
Totally agree.
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These "live weekly updates" Sandra is doing on YouTube with a big smile on her face addressing viewers like they're her fans is making me quite nauseous. No one should be enjoying a murder this much.
Don’t watch.
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Don’t watch.
That's a good attitude.
Likewise if Luke's conviction bothers you, don't read about it or discuss it. Simple. 8((()*/
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That's a good attitude.
Likewise if Luke's conviction bothers you, don't read about it or discuss it. Simple. 8((()*/
Apples and oranges I’m afraid. My anger helps promote a campaign for change. Yours is merely impotent.
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Apples and oranges I’m afraid. My anger helps promote a campaign for change. Yours is merely impotent.
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Sandra Lean states to James English
“There were no issues in his childhood there was a school report that he’d erm he’d been pulled up for throwing a missile at another student and his mum was called into the school it was a half Mars bar but again this was used after the event that’s about the only thing in his erm
What does Luke Mitchell’s 29th October 2004 psychiatric report say in relation to his suicide idealisations ?
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
‘I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide’
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The forum is actually a mine of relevant information which quite often gets overlooked.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11718.msg614766#msg614766
Quite a lot of reading in the links provided in Nicholas's post. I found them highly informative and well worth taking the time to inform a broader perspective of issues under discussion here.
I think we can probably learn a lot from the expertise of justice campaigner Neil Wilby who if his informative blog is anything to judge by is the real deal as far as being a dedicated researcher is concerned. It is going to take me some time to catch up on everything in Neil's blog but I intend to.
Tag: Dr Sandra Lean
Post Office robberies claim was a sham, say police.
https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
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The forum is actually a mine of relevant information which quite often gets overlooked.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11718.msg614766#msg614766
Quite a lot of reading in the links provided in Nicholas's post. I found them highly informative and well worth taking the time to inform a broader perspective of issues under discussion here.
I think we can probably learn a lot from the expertise of justice campaigner Neil Wilby who if his informative blog is anything to judge by is the real deal as far as being a dedicated researcher is concerned. It is going to take me some time to catch up on everything in Neil's blog but I intend to.
Tag: Dr Sandra Lean
Post Office robberies claim was a sham, say police.
https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
You do make me smile sometimes Brietta.
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What does Luke Mitchell’s 29th October 2004 psychiatric report say in relation to his suicide idealisations ?
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
‘I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide’
‘Threats of suicide’ have been found in research done over decades in relation to ‘intimate partner femicide’
Prof Jane Monckton Smith
‘Threat to suicide at this stage, if at stage 3, you know it’s a control tactic usually - stage 5 it’s an even higher risk. If someone’s threatening to kill themselves to control you we always say to police officers read that as a threat to homicide because they may well be thinking about killing themselves but they’ll take you with them or it’s an empty threat just literally a control tactic but either way they are thinking about death as a resolution. Nobody should be thinking about death as the resolution to this loss of control over someone in their life’
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/missing/id1006974447?i=1000511540921
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
Sandra Lean’s book should come with a public protection warning
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The police have recently been referred to as ‘dirty perverts’ for apparently questioning Luke Mitchell on his ‘sex like’
Does Sandra Lean explore in her book how and why police might do this ?
Good question as we are told that there was no sexual element to the crime.
What is Luke Mitchell’s sexual orientation ? Anyone know?
https://twitter.com/MissingCSM/status/1366935343728123905
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What does Luke Mitchell’s 29th October 2004 psychiatric report say in relation to his suicide idealisations ?
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
‘I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide’
Luke Mitchell also wrote,
‘I MUST DIE
Why?
Because
I’m
WORTHLESS’
Sandra Lean appears to dismiss these statements preferring instead to focus her followers minds on the ‘satanic slogans’ on Mitchell’s school jotters
What was it Corrine Mitchell said to James English about suicide during the podcast?
And how did a 14 year old (or younger) Luke Mitchell feel about this?
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'Anyone not taking on all this new info the mistakes etc are being "wilfully ignorant." (Latest Q&A session from Ms Lean)
Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
"a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing." - most definitely not the truth however.
You are not permitted to ask certain questions, if you do they will be ignored. The faithful will instantly brand you as a "troll"
You're comments will be removed, there is only room - for the "truth" according to their leader.
Doing an amazing job however - the intellect is second to none, exactly what this cult requires for membership.
'trust me mate, av been carrying out interviews these past 48hrs, it was the 4 of them with Cotter as the lookout'
'100% mate trust me' followed by 'tick tock ya beasty b******s'
OR
'there wiz dna o jodies aw over the ootside of the condom' - cracking job, they really are paying attention?
Some of the comments already removed, more so about this very same person maligning SF, can't have that now, keep up the good detective work but please do not speak of my friend in this manner, simply not allowed.
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Luke Mitchell also wrote,
‘I MUST DIE
Why?
Because
I’m
WORTHLESS’
Sandra Lean appears to dismiss these statements preferring instead to focus her followers minds on the ‘satanic slogans’ on Mitchell’s school jotters
What was it Corrine Mitchell said to James English about suicide during the podcast?
And how did a 14 year old (or younger) Luke Mitchell feel about this?
Was LM's interest in Jodi to do with the suicide of her father? Are more the sort of questions that should be asked perhaps.
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Was LM's interest in Jodi to do with the suicide of her father? Are more the sort of questions that should be asked perhaps.
Did Luke Mitchell view Jodi as vulnerable and easy to control ?
https://speakoutloud.net/intimate-partner-abuse/homicide-suicide
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'Anyone not taking on all this new info the mistakes etc are being "wilfully ignorant." (Latest Q&A session from Ms Lean)
Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
"a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing." - most definitely not the truth however.
You are not permitted to ask certain questions, if you do they will be ignored. The faithful will instantly brand you as a "troll"
You're comments will be removed, there is only room - for the "truth" according to their leader.
Doing an amazing job however - the intellect is second to none, exactly what this cult requires for membership.
'trust me mate, av been carrying out interviews these past 48hrs, it was the 4 of them with Cotter as the lookout'
'100% mate trust me' followed by 'tick tock ya beasty b******s'
OR
'there wiz dna o jodies aw over the ootside of the condom' - cracking job, they really are paying attention?
Some of the comments already removed, more so about this very same person maligning SF, can't have that now, keep up the good detective work but please do not speak of my friend in this manner, simply not allowed.
It takes a certain kind of arrogance to believe that the truth resides with them and everyone else is stupid or naive.
In fact I can’t make up my mind whether it’s arrogance or fear that motivates them...a bit of both probably.
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Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
And sadly a great deal of brainwashing by the looks of it
‘I am totally mortified you even link suicidal thoughts to being a murderer’
I’ve no idea what Luke Mitchell’s thoughts were or are but not only did he write about suicide when he was 14 or younger he referred to suicide again when he was around 30 years old - to Rozlyn Little in 2018
I find Mitchell’s behaviour extremely telling
The same applies to his mother Corrine
When will she address Luke’s threats of suicide ? His displays of sexual aggression at age 12? His thin skinned and confrontational behaviour ?
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Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
Sandra Lean (today)
‘Good morning!!!! I'm sorry about my little outburst last night - there's been so much going on over the last 5 weeks, I've been working long days, every single day, with hardly any time off. To discover last night the size of the trail of sh*t that I'd have to deal with first thing this morning was very, very disheartening. But it's done now - onwards and upwards!!!! Thanks for all your kind messages .
What was her ‘little outburst’ ? Anyone know?
And what’s the ‘trail of sh*t’ she’s referring to?
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'Anyone not taking on all this new info the mistakes etc are being "wilfully ignorant." (Latest Q&A session from Ms Lean)
Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
"a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing." - most definitely not the truth however.
You are not permitted to ask certain questions, if you do they will be ignored. The faithful will instantly brand you as a "troll"
You're comments will be removed, there is only room - for the "truth" according to their leader.
Doing an amazing job however - the intellect is second to none, exactly what this cult requires for membership.
'trust me mate, av been carrying out interviews these past 48hrs, it was the 4 of them with Cotter as the lookout'
'100% mate trust me' followed by 'tick tock ya beasty b******s'
OR
'there wiz dna o jodies aw over the ootside of the condom' - cracking job, they really are paying attention?
Some of the comments already removed, more so about this very same person maligning SF, can't have that now, keep up the good detective work but please do not speak of my friend in this manner, simply not allowed.
It is extraordinary toxic ain't it. No doubt a lot of the same people(multi accounts) from those WAP days are still lurking about, stirring up the new bottom feeders attracted to this nonsense into a frenzy. Can't debate, so just fling abuse about. I have no idea, how any of this helps Luke's cause. If Sandra had any kind of morality about her, she would distance herself from the toxic behaviour & even promote respectful debate among her new cult followers. But, known her toxic debating skills in the past, it seems like she is quite happy to encourage it. I also encourage anyone on here, to report anything she posts on any social media platforms. This is not about truth and justice, this is about notoriety.
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It is extraordinary toxic ain't it. No doubt a lot of the same people(multi accounts) from those WAP days are still lurking about, stirring up the new bottom feeders attracted to this nonsense into a frenzy. Can't debate, so just fling abuse about. I have no idea, how any of this helps Luke's cause. If Sandra had any kind of morality about her, she would distance herself from the toxic behaviour & even promote respectful debate among her new cult followers. But, known her toxic debating skills in the past, it seems like she is quite happy to encourage it. I also encourage anyone on here, to report anything she posts on any social media platforms. This is not about truth and justice, this is about notoriety.
It appears that it’s you who is trying to shut down debate but you’re right, this is not about truth and justice. This is about petty vindictiveness.
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Being a relative newcomer to the case (it's been going for 17+years) it never cease to amaze the venom exuded by many Mitchell supporters in pursuance of their case.
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Being a relative newcomer to the case (it's been going for 17+years) it never cease to amaze the venom exuded by many Mitchell supporters in pursuance of their case.
Do you have a few examples of this ‘venom’ ?
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Do you have a few examples of this ‘venom’ ?
There were a couple of Mitchell supporter trolls on here recently who were so rude they got banned, have you forgotten?
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Do you have a few examples of this ‘venom’ ?
2 regular posters on blue forum decided to stop posting and remove accounts recently due to direct death threats and threats to family (which were reported to police)
had implied threats of violence myself over direct message (not on this site)
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2 regular posters on blue forum decided to stop posting and remove accounts recently due to direct death threats and threats to family (which were reported to police)
had implied threats of violence myself over direct message (not on this site)
How many threats to her safety do you think SL has had or Corrine Mitchell? Not just threats of course...bricks through the car window, caravans being set on fire ? In fact Corrine and Sandra have both been threatened physically by members of Jodi’s family.
This is a case that evokes strong emotions but there is no excuse for threats on any side and any such actions should be thoroughly condemned.
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How many threats to her safety do you think SL has had or Corrine Mitchell? Not just threats of course...bricks through the car window, caravans being set on fire ? In fact Corrine and Sandra have both been threatened physically by members of Jodi’s family.
This is a case that evokes strong emotions but there is no excuse for threats on any side and any such actions should be thoroughly condemned.
Serious allegations - were these referred to the police and if so what action was taken against the perpetrators?
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Being a relative newcomer to the case (it's been going for 17+years) it never cease to amaze the venom exuded by many Mitchell supporters in pursuance of their case.
There are rude people on both sides. Same with the Bamber case, and I suspect, with most cases!
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Serious allegations - were these referred to the police and if so what action was taken against the perpetrators?
Very serious allegations indeed although perhaps accusing relatives of the deceased of threatening behaviour is a notch down from accusing them of murder which I believe has happened in the past.
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Very serious allegations indeed although perhaps accusing relatives of the deceased of threatening behaviour is a notch down from accusing them of murder which I believe has happened in the past.
I think it still happens, though maybe not on this forum.
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Very serious allegations indeed although perhaps accusing relatives of the deceased of threatening behaviour is a notch down from accusing them of murder which I believe has happened in the past.
Who’s deceased?
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Very serious allegations indeed although perhaps accusing relatives of the deceased of threatening behaviour is a notch down from accusing them of murder which I believe has happened in the past.
How do you know it didn't really happen? As far as I'm aware, nobody has accused SL of libel.
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How do you know it didn't really happen? As far as I'm aware, nobody has accused SL of libel.
It’s more a question of what’s the evidence that it did.
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It’s more a question of what’s the evidence that it did.
I don't believe SL would tell a deliberate and malicious lie in her book.
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How do you know it didn't really happen? As far as I'm aware, nobody has accused SL of libel.
The police were informed in both cases.
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I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’
Is this true?
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I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’
Is this true?
You have to be kidding me?
He gave them the w@*&ker sign too. Pretty sure, there was a FU whispered as well, maybe have to watch it back. He was a nice harmless child and Heavily medicated though 8(0(*
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I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’
Is this true?
Have you heard this SL claim this?
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Have you heard this SL claim this?
Have you heard this
“The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”
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Have you heard this
“The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”
Sandra Lean
“The problem with the Forensic results is the number of labs involved and the different labeling protocols used by each. Samples believed to be semen were found on the T-shirt, bra, underpants, trousers, shoe, face, right hand and abdomen. While many of those samples returned "no reportable results," three, labelled "semen," returned mixtures with Jodi and "unknown male(s)" - these were on the t-shirt and the bra.
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Sandra Lean
“The problem with the Forensic results is the number of labs involved and the different labeling protocols used by each. Samples believed to be semen were found on the T-shirt, bra, underpants, trousers, shoe, face, right hand and abdomen. While many of those samples returned "no reportable results," three, labelled "semen," returned mixtures with Jodi and "unknown male(s)" - these were on the t-shirt and the bra.
"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?
The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.
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Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
« Reply #5493 on: Yesterday at 12:52 PM »
Sandra has never claimed that semen was on the body! Where was it she said that? There is only two full profiles for identified males. The dna is so f..ked up there is even 1 labelled semen female sample!! There are a number of unidentified profiles and the problem with them is there’s no way of knowing how accurate these profiles are unless there matched to an individual, they may be all from the same male that have become contaminated and can be of no use.
"f..ked up" Indeed. Complete lack of knowledge in intricate areas of expertise?
Firstly, thanks to the posters who have clarified the possible (probable?) explanation about the DNA results reporting that sperm and semen samples appeared female in origin. That's very helpful to know - it's been something that's baffled me (as a non-expert) for a very long time.
And for all of those years Ms Lean has punted this type of wrongful/harmful information out - Like "No Smoke" the damage is done, that horse has well and truly bolted. - Does it matter? Not at all, as it still serves that damming repetitive purpose of shifting blame onto 'An another.'
“The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”
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iiHEARTy0u wrote: »
The semen was found on her underwear. He was also one of a few people seen walking on the path.
D2BD wrote: »
Hi iiHEARTyOu, I havent read this before, are you sure SK was seen walking the path? GD and JoF were on the path, as were other people but I'm sure I haven't read or been told before that Kelly was. :confused:
iiHEARTy0u wrote: » This is an extract from Chapter Six by Sandra Lean
Once again, we are faced with serious anomalies in the prosecution case. Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John [Name removed], Gordon [Name removed], his father, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path[/i]
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"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?
The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.
It’s looking that way *&^^&
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Have you heard this
“The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”
There’s more
“There were 5 guys DNA on Jodi’s body.”
”The only DNA they tested came from her body. 4 other males and 1 condom a few feet away.”
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"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?
The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.
Sandra Lean
‘Misinformation is not my thing’
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382996.html#msg382996
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“Innocents Betrayed is facts from the case itself”
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"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?
The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.
Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’
https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
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"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?
The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.
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"f..ked up" Indeed. Complete lack of knowledge in intricate areas of expertise?
And for all of those years Ms Lean has punted this type of wrongful/harmful information out - Like "No Smoke" the damage is done, that horse has well and truly bolted. - Does it matter? Not at all, as it still serves that damming repetitive purpose of shifting blame onto 'An another.'
D2BD wrote: »
Hi iiHEARTyOu, I havent read this before, are you sure SK was seen walking the path? GD and JoF were on the path, as were other people but I'm sure I haven't read or been told before that Kelly was. :confused:
iiHEARTy0u wrote: » This is an extract from Chapter Six by Sandra Lean
Once again, we are faced with serious anomalies in the prosecution case. Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John [Name removed], Gordon [Name removed], his father, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path[/i]
‘ believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?’ Care to expand or is this again one of your non-facts meant to confuse?
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Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’
https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
Good grief, she was covered in sperm from head to toe? But not raped? Is there actual cites for this?
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Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’
https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
No mention of ‘abdomen’ in the above
Sandra Lean
“The problem with the Forensic results is the number of labs involved and the different labeling protocols used by each. Samples believed to be semen were found on the T-shirt, bra, underpants, trousers, shoe, face, right hand and abdomen. While many of those samples returned "no reportable results,” three, labelled "semen," returned mixtures with Jodi and "unknown male(s)" - these were on the t-shirt and the bra.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=3
(‘Rolfe’ on the IS forum is apparently Morag Kerr)
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Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’
https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
Love this....#innocemcefraud.
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Faithlilly:
Yes fair to assume but if you’re going to quote SL please try and be less selective. SL’s point was that suspicion fell on Luke early because the police had been provided three pieces of false information that formed their view a) that Luke was the only one searching b) that he was on his bike c) and most importantly, that Luke had left home earlier in the evening with Jodi but was now saying that he hadn’t seen her.
No, SL's point is that she assumes these are the reasons "suspicion fell on Luke early" "Less selective?"
Without assumptions let us look at the actual facts: 10.40pm - 11.30/34pm actual/factual time frame of events.
These are from the phone records, they can not be changed.
10.40pm text to LM's phone from JuJ.
10.42pm - communication again between LM and JuJ.
10.42 -10.48pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.49pm - communication again between LM and JuJ - He offers to search for Jodi.
10.52pm - LM is out the door. (His account)
10.50pm Jodi is reported missing - We are given three words verbatim from the missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
10.50pm - 10.58pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.59pm - LM is on/at the path when there is further communication with JuJ.
11.05 approx: the search trio leave AW's.
The police are in attendance at JuJ's. Three words verbatim from missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
11.18pm - communication between JuJ and AW.
11.20pm approx - the search trio and LM catch sight of each other.
11.30pm - 11.34pm Jodi is found and call to emergency services put through.
11.38pm - call again to the emergency services.
No assumptions, basic simple fact of multiple conversation. Reported missing on phone, officers in attendance at JuJ's - where do you think this confusion came about? This assumption that the police believed that Jodi had left at teatime with her boyfriend? Do we just miss out "all" of the details taken and simply go on this rather futile claim that they were under the impression "early" that Jodi had left with Luke? What exactly is early? This is in that very short time frame of approx: 30mins, three officers, three words "with her boyfriend."
Officers in attendance at JuJ's - Where is LM? - On the path.
Had JuJ spoken to him, had he told her he was going to search the path - Yes.
Were all of the search party together at this point - No.
Were the search trio out searching - No
Was LM at this point the only person out searching - Yes.
Therefore,in that first 30mins is this not correct? that it was indeed only LM out searching? The path.
What is extraordinary from the above is the time frame - This girl was found in a woodland. By all accounts 'hidden' She had not been discovered over the course of that evening (In daylight) In approx: 10mins of the search party being together she is found (In the dark) The person who goes over the wall into the woods and finds her is LM. Not only does he go over the wall at the V break he had also looked into the woods, over the wall at the 'Gino' spot prior to coming to the V
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Faithlilly:
No, SL's point is that she assumes these are the reasons "suspicion fell on Luke early" "Less selective?"
Without assumptions let us look at the actual facts: 10.40pm - 11.30/34pm actual/factual time frame of events.
These are from the phone records, they can not be changed.
10.40pm text to LM's phone from JuJ.
10.42pm - communication again between LM and JuJ.
10.42 -10.48pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.49pm - communication again between LM and JuJ - He offers to search for Jodi.
10.52pm - LM is out the door. (His account)
10.50pm Jodi is reported missing - We are given three words verbatim from the missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
10.50pm - 10.58pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.59pm - LM is on/at the path when there is further communication with JuJ.
11.05 approx: the search trio leave AW's.
The police are in attendance at JuJ's. Three words verbatim from missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
11.18pm - communication between JuJ and AW.
11.20pm approx - the search trio and LM catch sight of each other.
11.30pm - 11.34pm Jodi is found and call to emergency services put through.
11.38pm - call again to the emergency services.
No assumptions, basic simple fact of multiple conversation. Reported missing on phone, officers in attendance at JuJ's - where do you think this confusion came about? This assumption that the police believed that Jodi had left at teatime with her boyfriend? Do we just miss out "all" of the details taken and simply go on this rather futile claim that they were under the impression "early" that Jodi had left with Luke? What exactly is early? This is in that very short time frame of approx: 30mins, three officers, three words "with her boyfriend."
Officers in attendance at JuJ's - Where is LM? - On the path.
Had JuJ spoken to him, had he told her he was going to search the path - Yes.
Were all of the search party together at this point - No.
Were the search trio out searching - No
Was LM at this point the only person out searching - Yes.
Therefore,in that first 30mins is this not correct? that it was indeed only LM out searching? The path.
What is extraordinary from the above is the time frame - This girl was found in a woodland. By all accounts 'hidden' She had not been discovered over the course of that evening (In daylight) In approx: 10mins of the search party being together she is found (In the dark) The person who goes over the wall into the woods and finds her is LM. Not only does he go over the wall at the V break he had also looked into the woods, over the wall at the 'Gino' spot prior to coming to the V
It is amazing that Jodi's body lay there for over six hours before being discovered by the search party considering the numerous individuals who transited the area. Had there not been signs of a struggle and blood everywhere one would not be wrong in considering she had been murdered elsewhere and carried to the scene.
The story about the dog scenting has throughout been a red flag for me. I have always had dogs and dogs that can follow a scent. If Mia the Mitchell Alsatian (a dog which apparently received tracker training) did detect Jodi's scent then she would also have done so on the initial walk along the path to find the Jones group. If Luke Mitchell is in fact innocent of Jodi's murder then he set off with the dog looking for Jodi. He would have instructed the dog to seek Jodi. Any sign that the dog had detected her would have been immediately flagged up to him. When he met up with the Jones family at the Easthouses end of the path he did not reveal anything out of the ordinary or that the dog had found a potential scent.
The Jones family group, Luke Mitchell and Mia then walk back down the path and after only a few minutes Mia finds Jodi's scent. All very convenient don't you think?
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It is amazing that Jodi's body lay there for over six hours before being discovered by the search party considering the numerous individuals who transited the area. Had there not been signs of a struggle and blood everywhere one would not be wrong in considering she had been murdered elsewhere and carried to the scene.
The story about the dog scenting has throughout been a red flag for me. I have always had dogs and dogs that can follow a scent. If Mia the Mitchell Alsatian (a dog which apparently received tracker training) did detect Jodi's scent then she would also have done so on the initial walk along the path to find the Jones group. If Luke Mitchell is in fact innocent of Jodi's murder then he set off with the dog looking for Jodi. He would have instructed the dog to seek Jodi. Any sign that the dog had detected her would have been immediately flagged up to him. When he met up with the Jones family at the Easthouses end of the path he did not reveal anything out of the ordinary or that the dog had found a potential scent.
The Jones family group, Luke Mitchell and Mia then walk back down the path and after only a few minutes Mia finds Jodi's scent. All very convenient don't you think?
I think that is the only logical conclusion to be reached.
If you set out to search rough terrain for a missing person and you are accompanied by a trained search dog you would have it in search mode from the word go. If Luke came that way I think Mia would have alerted at the first pass or at least indicated something was amiss as I think most dogs would have anyway.
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I think that is the only logical conclusion to be reached.
If you set out to search rough terrain for a missing person and you are accompanied by a trained search dog you would have it in search mode from the word go. If Luke came that way I think Mia would have alerted at the first pass or at least indicated something was amiss as I think most dogs would have anyway.
I agree, it is the logical conclusion and one which the jury undoubtedly also arrived at. Unsurprisingly though, Sandra Lean and Mitchell supporters don't see it that way. Their argument has always been that Mia was not in 'tracker mode' for anything or anyone. More excuses I suspect in an attempt to render the logical devoid of commonsense.
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Sandra Lean’s 2nd book seen here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IrIk7wx4cs outside Dalkeith police station
The guy in the above also appears to have recorded the alternative route by the river https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDb8YL1HEjw
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It is amazing that Jodi's body lay there for over six hours before being discovered by the search party considering the numerous individuals who transited the area. Had there not been signs of a struggle and blood everywhere one would not be wrong in considering she had been murdered elsewhere and carried to the scene.
The story about the dog scenting has throughout been a red flag for me. I have always had dogs and dogs that can follow a scent. If Mia the Mitchell Alsatian (a dog which apparently received tracker training) did detect Jodi's scent then she would also have done so on the initial walk along the path to find the Jones group. If Luke Mitchell is in fact innocent of Jodi's murder then he set off with the dog looking for Jodi. He would have instructed the dog to seek Jodi. Any sign that the dog had detected her would have been immediately flagged up to him. When he met up with the Jones family at the Easthouses end of the path he did not reveal anything out of the ordinary or that the dog had found a potential scent.
The Jones family group, Luke Mitchell and Mia then walk back down the path and after only a few minutes Mia finds Jodi's scent. All very convenient don't you think?
You also said that the fact the SM didn’t appear to support Luke’s campaign or hadn’t made a public statement that his brother was innocent suggested to you that Luke was guilty.
Has your brother publicly supported your campaign for justice or made a statement that he knew you were innocent? If yes perhaps you’d post the statement here?
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Faithlilly:
No, SL's point is that she assumes these are the reasons "suspicion fell on Luke early" "Less selective?"
Without assumptions let us look at the actual facts: 10.40pm - 11.30/34pm actual/factual time frame of events.
These are from the phone records, they can not be changed.
10.40pm text to LM's phone from JuJ.
10.42pm - communication again between LM and JuJ.
10.42 -10.48pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.49pm - communication again between LM and JuJ - He offers to search for Jodi.
10.52pm - LM is out the door. (His account)
10.50pm Jodi is reported missing - We are given three words verbatim from the missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
10.50pm - 10.58pm communication between JuJ and AW.
10.59pm - LM is on/at the path when there is further communication with JuJ.
11.05 approx: the search trio leave AW's.
The police are in attendance at JuJ's. Three words verbatim from missing persons report "with her boyfriend."
11.18pm - communication between JuJ and AW.
11.20pm approx - the search trio and LM catch sight of each other.
11.30pm - 11.34pm Jodi is found and call to emergency services put through.
11.38pm - call again to the emergency services.
No assumptions, basic simple fact of multiple conversation. Reported missing on phone, officers in attendance at JuJ's - where do you think this confusion came about? This assumption that the police believed that Jodi had left at teatime with her boyfriend? Do we just miss out "all" of the details taken and simply go on this rather futile claim that they were under the impression "early" that Jodi had left with Luke? What exactly is early? This is in that very short time frame of approx: 30mins, three officers, three words "with her boyfriend."
Officers in attendance at JuJ's - Where is LM? - On the path.
Had JuJ spoken to him, had he told her he was going to search the path - Yes.
Were all of the search party together at this point - No.
Were the search trio out searching - No
Was LM at this point the only person out searching - Yes.
Therefore,in that first 30mins is this not correct? that it was indeed only LM out searching? The path.
What is extraordinary from the above is the time frame - This girl was found in a woodland. By all accounts 'hidden' She had not been discovered over the course of that evening (In daylight) In approx: 10mins of the search party being together she is found (In the dark) The person who goes over the wall into the woods and finds her is LM. Not only does he go over the wall at the V break he had also looked into the woods, over the wall at the 'Gino' spot prior to coming to the V
‘By all accounts’ ? Who’s account? Nowhere did the first people to see the body, LK, SK and AW, say that the body was ‘hidden’. They all saw it from some distance away.
The police were given details that were wrong. I’m not disputing that the person giving the information believed it to be true at that time. What I am saying, however, is that the information given skewed the investigation from the beginning and put an undeserved focus on Luke.
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I agree, it is the logical conclusion and one which the jury undoubtedly also arrived at. Unsurprisingly though, Sandra Lean and Mitchell supporters don't see it that way. Their argument has always been that Mia was not in 'tracker mode' for anything or anyone. More excuses I suspect in an attempt to render the logical devoid of commonsense.
And the changing of SK, JaJ and AW’s statements that Mai alerted to the wall before LM jumped over to LM just came to the wall and jumped over doesn’t give you pause for thought at all?
You see that’s the thing with ‘Mitchell’ supporters. We’re rather less selective in the interpretation of the evidence available.
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The forum is actually a mine of relevant information which quite often gets overlooked.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11718.msg614766#msg614766
Quite a lot of reading in the links provided in Nicholas's post. I found them highly informative and well worth taking the time to inform a broader perspective of issues under discussion here.
I think we can probably learn a lot from the expertise of justice campaigner Neil Wilby who if his informative blog is anything to judge by is the real deal as far as being a dedicated researcher is concerned. It is going to take me some time to catch up on everything in Neil's blog but I intend to.
Tag: Dr Sandra Lean
Post Office robberies claim was a sham, say police.
https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
More reading material for you Brietta.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/malicious-blogger-neil-wilby-banned-7972575
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/policeman-wins-ps60000-libel-damages-over-savile-pervert-twitter-slur-1839699
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/people/derbyshire-rallies-round-hero-whaley-bridge-officer-who-faced-criticism-social-media-her-hair-947788
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More reading material for you Brietta.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/malicious-blogger-neil-wilby-banned-7972575
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/policeman-wins-ps60000-libel-damages-over-savile-pervert-twitter-slur-1839699
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/people/derbyshire-rallies-round-hero-whaley-bridge-officer-who-faced-criticism-social-media-her-hair-947788
Oh dear !
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‘By all accounts’ ? Who’s account? Nowhere did the first people to see the body, LK, SK and AW, say that the body was ‘hidden’. They all saw it from some distance away.
The police were given details that were wrong. I’m not disputing that the person giving the information believed it to be true at that time. What I am saying, however, is that the information given skewed the investigation from the beginning and put an undeserved focus on Luke.
‘By all accounts’ ? Who’s account? Nowhere did the first people to see the body, LK, SK and AW, say that the body was ‘hidden’. They all saw it from some distance away.
Hidden- out of sight, had not been discovered over the course of this evening. Off the beaten track. Behind this 'large Oak' tree that LM had described. " The "first people" saw with more ease than LM as he guided them to where she lay.
The police were given details that were wrong. I’m not disputing that the person giving the information believed it to be true at that time. What I am saying, however, is that the information given skewed the investigation from the beginning and put an undeserved focus on Luke.
That's better, let's start again. It made absolutely no sense, for the police to have coupled this "with the boyfriend" to anything, there were after all, three policemen involved. That the initial report of LM being out searching on his own, was in fact correct. In that first 30mins of these officers obtaining information, it was only LM, which in turn answers why it was only LM's number the police were given? They were gathering information, not investigating. Taken missing person notes which in turn would start the investigation around a 'missing person' - not a murder.
Let's move to that next short period of approx: 20mins.
Jodi is discovered, by LM. There are two calls put through to the emergency services. Two receiving operators. The information is passed over that "the boyfriend has found something" "a body". It is easy to see here why the officers "on the ground" thought it was only LM, alone, on Roansdyke path when coupling it with the above information. At this point, rapidly, the beginning of the missing person investigation may have turned a corner. Someone had been found. Just found. The police don't know at this point if it was Jodi, how she died, only that someone had been found. - not a murder investigation.
That next short time period, when the police/emergency services arrive at the path. Stop for one moment here and think. Where are we at this point? - Only at the very "beginning". What is still clear here, is that LM had found something.That he had been over the wall. The correct course of action here, is to take his clothing, samples and statement. At this point for elimination purpose of contamination, not just solely this 'prime suspect' reasoning and blatantly treating him different from the 'others'. - After the police had arrived at the scene, once a police officer had been over the wall, to verify for himself, what had been found, by LM. The investigation into a murder, has only now begun.
Now let's move into those next couple of hours.
Statements at the very beginning, the actual start of this murder investigation, from everyone involved from that first point of Jodi being reported missing. It was those statements, the details, the contrasts that raised red flags to the investigating officers. They knew with certainty and clarity the sequence of events that had occurred. That there had been four people on the path. That both AW and SK had been over the wall. That Jodi had most definitely not left "with her boyfriend". From this point it became increasingly difficult to eliminate LM from the investigation.
Therefore, no - The initial information in the missing persons report did not skew the investigation. The information obtained at the actual beginning of this murder investigation, mainly from the words of LM are what brought suspicion upon him.
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Good grief, she was covered in sperm from head to toe? But not raped? Is there actual cites for this?
Exactly - Unfortunately, there are however people who simply take this on board without question. That careful manipulation of those forensics reports, that, 'power of suggestion'. Used to 'hoodwink' those most susceptible, who in turn jump to every assumption possible, rather than simply think/realise if this were the case, then these "lab personnel" would not have "seemed" to accept anything. That in reality, their expert opinion was based on what they actually/factually did obtain. Weak traces of minute staining from semen.Two sperm heads that yielded a DNA profile of SK. Minimal, as in singular number, other sperm heads that were defunct. Again takes us back to "No DNA being unaccounted for" Expert forensic reports, yet again, that clearly showed no results that could link this murder to 'An another.'
"The average amount of semen released during ejaculation averages between two and five ml, the equivalent of about one teaspoon. But this stuff pack a punch—there are nearly 15 million to 200 million sperm in an average milliliter of semen." - do the math.
The simple, plain reality being the most obvious, "in that the simplest explanation is usually the right one" . backed by factual, scientific evidence, not that of multiple assumptions (Occam's Razor theory) The T-shirt was borrowed from her sister, minute traces survived a washing cycle.
Trace DNA from sperm:
https://www.forensiccontext.com/dna-attribution/
"Laundered semen stains" (rainwater and trace DNA) Highlights exactly why there were minimum traces in multiple places. From an 'original' ejaculation of millions.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508
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Hidden- out of sight, had not been discovered over the course of this evening. Off the beaten track. Behind this 'large Oak' tree that LM had described. " The "first people" saw with more ease than LM as he guided them to where she lay.
That's better, let's start again. It made absolutely no sense, for the police to have coupled this "with the boyfriend" to anything, there were after all, three policemen involved. That the initial report of LM being out searching on his own, was in fact correct. In that first 30mins of these officers obtaining information, it was only LM, which in turn answers why it was only LM's number the police were given? They were gathering information, not investigating. Taken missing person notes which in turn would start the investigation around a 'missing person' - not a murder.
Let's move to that next short period of approx: 20mins.
Jodi is discovered, by LM. There are two calls put through to the emergency services. Two receiving operators. The information is passed over that "the boyfriend has found something" "a body". It is easy to see here why the officers "on the ground" thought it was only LM, alone, on Roansdyke path when coupling it with the above information. At this point, rapidly, the beginning of the missing person investigation may have turned a corner. Someone had been found. Just found. The police don't know at this point if it was Jodi, how she died, only that someone had been found. - not a murder investigation.
That next short time period, when the police/emergency services arrive at the path. Stop for one moment here and think. Where are we at this point? - Only at the very "beginning". What is still clear here, is that LM had found something.That he had been over the wall. The correct course of action here, is to take his clothing, samples and statement. At this point for elimination purpose of contamination, not just solely this 'prime suspect' reasoning and blatantly treating him different from the 'others'. - After the police had arrived at the scene, once a police officer had been over the wall, to verify for himself, what had been found, by LM. The investigation into a murder, has only now begun.
Now let's move into those next couple of hours.
Statements at the very beginning, the actual start of this murder investigation, from everyone involved from that first point of Jodi being reported missing. It was those statements, the details, the contrasts that raised red flags to the investigating officers. They knew with certainty and clarity the sequence of events that had occurred. That there had been four people on the path. That both AW and SK had been over the wall. That Jodi had most definitely not left "with her boyfriend". From this point it became increasingly difficult to eliminate LM from the investigation.
Therefore, no - The initial information in the missing persons report did not skew the investigation. The information obtained at the actual beginning of this murder investigation, mainly from the words of LM are what brought suspicion upon him.
I’m simply not getting what point you’re trying to make, sorry. Jodi’s body was not ‘hidden’, was not ‘out of sight’. Both Luke and SK saw it almost immediately they went over the wall. Are you suggesting that the body was moved? From where and why?
And of course being told that Jodi had left ‘with her boyfriend’ skewed the investigation and how could it not have? We can see this from the first actions of the police. Three people had been over the wall yet only one was stripped of their clothes, forensically examined and interviewed within a couple of hours of the body being found. When exactly were the clothes of the others that had been over the wall handed in to the police?
In those first few hours there was nothing surrounding the discovery of the body that singled Luke out for particular attention. JaJ and SK both agreed in their first statements that Luke had been pulled back by the dog and that the dog had been sniffing the air and paying particular attention to the v in the wall. Further JaJ said that she knew Luke had found something bad ‘by the concern in his voice’ and SK claimed that they were all ‘in hysterics’. Yet from the off Luke was singled out for different treatment to the rest. What other reason could there have been but the belief that Jodi left with Luke and now he was denying that he had seen her?
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The "innocent betrayed" was Jodi Jones and her betrayer was Luke Mitchell.
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Continuing to address Mitchell, the judge told him: "What you did was to subject Jodi to a horrible death and one can only hope it was mercifully quick.
"There must however have been a time before she became unconscious when she knew that you, her boyfriend, whom she held in affection and trust and whom she left joyfully to meet, had turned into a fiend.
"She still had her life ahead of her and you snuffed it out.
She was loved by her family and you have left them bereft.
The horror of what you have done has changed many lives and will last far beyond any sentence I can pass on you."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-334958/Boyfriend-guilty-Jodis-evil-murder.html
Sandra Lean has never desisted from tirelessly continuing to pile on the agony of Jodi's family who had to face the torture of enduring the description of the fate she had endured at the hands of Mitchell whom she trusted.
That much of her 'evidence' supporting Mitchell's case has proved unsustainable at four appeals is no accident when the quality of her allegations is subject to unbiased scrutiny.
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The "innocent betrayed" was Jodi Jones and her betrayer was Luke Mitchell.
Snip
Continuing to address Mitchell, the judge told him: "What you did was to subject Jodi to a horrible death and one can only hope it was mercifully quick.
"There must however have been a time before she became unconscious when she knew that you, her boyfriend, whom she held in affection and trust and whom she left joyfully to meet, had turned into a fiend.
"She still had her life ahead of her and you snuffed it out.
She was loved by her family and you have left them bereft.
The horror of what you have done has changed many lives and will last far beyond any sentence I can pass on you."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-334958/Boyfriend-guilty-Jodis-evil-murder.html
Sandra Lean has never desisted from tirelessly continuing to pile on the agony of Jodi's family who had to face the torture of enduring the description of the fate she had endured at the hands of Mitchell whom she trusted.
That much of her 'evidence' supporting Mitchell's case has proved unsustainable at four appeals is no accident when the quality of her allegations is subject to unbiased scrutiny.
Four appeals? Really?
Oh dear, back to the drawing board I think Brietta.
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This is absolutely untrue. A holiday had been planned by Corrine where Kimberley lived which would have meant that Luke saw her. The holiday had been cancelled. Luke was intending to have a birthday sleepover at a friend’s house with Jodi on the weekend the prosecution said that Luke would have seen Kimberly.
The prosecution or Kimberly Thompson?
And what did she tell the jury?
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This is absolutely untrue. A holiday had been planned by Corrine where Kimberley lived which would have meant that Luke saw her. The holiday had been cancelled. Luke was intending to have a birthday sleepover at a friend’s house with Jodi on the weekend the prosecution said that Luke would have seen Kimberly.
18) he had lied to the police about the last time he had contacted Kimberley Thomson, whom he was due to meet shortly after the murder, and had not told the deceased about her (a possible source of conflict between him and the deceased);
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Innocents Betrayed Ltd
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/13091576-innocents-betrayed-ltd
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Has anyone read this book?
3rd September 2003 (BBC news)
‘In a service at Gorebridge Parish Church, in Midlothian, the 14-year-old was remembered in spoken tributes, through music and by mourners who wore sunflower emblems, symbolising a precious life
‘Senior detectives including Detective Inspector Tom Martin and Detective Superintendent Craig Dobbie also attended. They too were wearing the sunflower emblem’
‘Jodi's family had asked well-wishers to plant a sunflower in her memory instead of sending flowers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3202419.stm
What are members/posters thoughts on the picture on the front cover of Sandra Lean’s book?
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Innocents Betrayed Ltd
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/13091576-innocents-betrayed-ltd
wonder if theyll still be around in 2 years time whent the corp tax is due @)(++(*
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3202419.stm
What are members/posters thoughts on the picture on the front cover of Sandra Lean’s book?
at best its a disrespectful appropriation of somethign that had come to have great personal meaning to the friends and family of the victim
noticed the sunflower was heavily used in the "sgiath films" intro as well on youtube. seems the entire content of that film was directed by sandra, and it remains their only content on youtube, and the only trace of "sgiath films" available online anywhere. - just who is "sgiath films"?
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This re Allan Jamieson from 1996 who was also involved in the TV show
‘Sentencing Jamieson, of Gleneagles Avenue, Cumbernauld, Sheriff Iain Simpson, said:
“What this amounts to fundamentally is bullying a lady on the road.
“If we all stopped people on the motorway whose driving we didn't like, then straddled along the hard shoulder would be a queue of people arguing with each other.''
Last night, Mrs Doyle, 34, said: ``I went through hell because of this. The whole experience was shattering. I had to see a psychiatrist and was later put on medication by my GP.''
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12049924.woman-terrified-by-drivers-action-police-suspend-forensic-scientist/
Allan Jamieson features in a recent podcast with Tiernan Coyle - fibre expert in Simon Hall case - https://www.forensicfibreexpert.com/?p=167
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Sandra Lean made claim in October 2019 she had withdrawn her book ‘No Smoke’ from the publishers (Stephen T Manning/Checkpoint press)
However in a recent podcast with Sharon Sunshine (Liquid Sunshine Crime on YouTube) where ‘No Smoke’ appeared to be again being promoted - she made claim she hasn’t been able to get in touch with the publisher?
Anyone have any idea what’s true and what’s not regarding ‘No Smoke’?
Does Stephen T Manning have links to the travelling community also?
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Does Stephen T Manning have links to the travelling community also?
And did Corrine Mitchell make initial contact with Sandra Lean via the travelling community network?
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
Is this book dedicated to LM's case? Is it the only book to cover the case?
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Is this book dedicated to LM's case? Is it the only book to cover the case?
Yes, it covers just LM's case. I haven't managed to find another book that covers the case.
I think the book is well researched and very informative, although I realise others don't agree.
Sandra Lean's "No Smoke", written some years before, covers LM's case plus others, and so is not anything like as detailed.
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And did Corrine Mitchell make initial contact with Sandra Lean via the travelling community network?
According to SL, she didn't know CM at all until the latter heard that she had doubts about Luke being guilty of Jodi's murder, and contacted her in the hope that she could help her.
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Do you know what I really like about the forum linked? That SL doesn’t drive the narrative but neither is she treated with the distain shown to her here. She is merely another source of information. It is, however, an excellent dissection of the flaws in the case and why Luke’s conviction should be considered unsafe
Absolutely and most definitely did become another source of information of which much is dissected also. On the basis that it is nothing other than factual? Rolfe Instantly picked up on the comment of LM not sticking his middle finger up to the police but that of putting his seat belt on? Where Rolfe rightly points out that it most certainly looks like the middle finger to her, that one would use their other hand for the seatbelt. Granted this is nothing, and as she rightly points out. What if he did?, a typical gesture perhaps considering the claimed unwarranted attention.
But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
And it is still a bit of a puzzler is it not, as to why these two woman became entwined in September 2003, is it important? It is, as it could give reason as to why so much of what Ms Lean says as being flawed? DNA being one of the strongest, the multiple suggestion of everything and all of the rest. Very much personal rather than professional? Not independent.
A girl is murdered, the neighbourhood are on guard and worried, there is a killer on the lose. Parents are worried for the safety of their children. Ms Lean has two daughters, she has this drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man, this statement however does not apply to Luke Mitchell until much later, until after Luke's arrest. She is at this moment in time the same as any other parent. There is indeed a killer walking the streets. Protection over all else.
By July the 4th a warrant is issued for a search of the Mitchells house, we need not go into reason as to why other than that of suspicion. It is clear at this point that the police were suspicious of Luke Mitchell. There is further attention in the media and by August Luke Mitchell has his face in the papers. No one at this point in the public domain knows if Luke Mitchell killed Jodi Jones only that he was suspect to having done so. They know absolutely nothing of the investigation, of what may have warranted this suspicion and for it to remain upon him. Ms Lean, as with many others no doubt, may very well have wondered, why has he not been arrested yet? A stranger however is more inclined to think of IF's rather than that of certainty.
Onto being a parent of anyone not just Ms Lean. A claimed stranger, who knew not Luke Mitchell or his mother. Whom therefore would not have an inkling of the investigation of it's merit or otherwise and more importantly as a parent, that Luke Mitchell may well have been his girlfriends killer, he may not have been. That unknown factor of protection amongst strangers. We had a friend of Luke's at the graveyard, someone pointing out this could have been a friend of Luke's. Someone who had reason at this point of the investigation to only have a ? of doubt over their friend, however trust first and foremost. But Ms Lean is a stranger, a mother of two girls. What could possibly have given rise to the following?
That she would claim to have absolute faith and trust in knowing that this stranger was not Jodi Jones killer. That irrespective of personal feeling towards what may have been in the media. They are still claimed strangers. Not to have known each other. There is at this point a shadow of doubt strong enough to not know if he was responsible. Is it feasible at all to suggest that CM got wind of ? what exactly about Ms Leans concerns or feelings of what?, that on the basis of ?, she is claimed to have sought Ms Lean out at her place of work? It could not have been, there is someone who believes/knows my boy is innocent, this is in the weeks shortly after the murder? It could not have been that of someone understanding what CM was going through. Ms Lean had never been in this situation. It most certainly was not on any professional level. Ms Lean had no standing. She was just a mother of two girls working to earn a living. Not a lawyer, not actively known in any field, MOJ's or otherwise. And of course, this is the early days, there is no MOJ. It is within those first 2-3 months.
Someone pointed out a 'sympathetic ear' What would have been the need for Ms Mitchell to call upon a stranger? Where were Ms Mitchells family?, friends for this sympathetic ear? The mother of the girl at the graveyard? There would be no need to call upon any stranger or was it a friend? An acquaintance? One does not call upon strangers when one is no doubt guarded against outsiders becoming part of this personal plight? They would ultimately stay with those they have complete trust in? Not a stranger IMO.
Mention recently of that common link, of camping/caravanning? How many holidays had Ms Lean been on with the girls doing what she appears to love. Of being out in the open, away from it all. Camping/caravanning? Ms Lean stayed/stays in a small village and in this same village is Scotts Caravans. Where better to pick up supplies to hire or buy equipment? Whatever this connection was, it was not that of a total stranger IMO. A total stranger does not give cause to have absolute belief, that suspicion upon an another complete stranger of murder is unwarranted, without knowing absolutely anything of the people nor the investigation?
And it does matter? It does for much of what Ms Lean touts out is so far removed from the actual evidence, the main focus is away from the Mitchells and onto others. Of this constant cry of "Why were these others treated differently?" Rather than that of "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke" Why could he not be eliminated?
There are no appeals dragging these others up before the magistrates from highly professional bodies, from Luke's own defence at the time. From the inability of gaining further defence, the fall outs? Who had access and more to what Ms Lean had/has. From "No Smoke" to "Innocents Betrayed" Very personal writings and feelings of being aggrieved? Personally being aggrieved for this stranger from those very early days of this murder actually happening. Of having the exact same stance of Ms Mitchell - That this boy could do no wrong, everything is down to others, they are to blame?
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Sandra Lean has recently - via her podcast - attempted to promote the innocence fraud of serial killer Ben Geen
She claims not only did Geen ’not commit the crimes they didn’t happen’
Maybe during her next podcast she’ll name the prescription drugs Ben Geen was stealing from Horton General hospital, the quantities he stole, the dates on which he stole them and in what properties linked to Geen they were found in
Also maybe she can tell us why Mark McDonald (Ben Geen’s lawyer) contradicted Megan Crabbe’s evidence in chief during the ‘Nurses who kill’ documentary
And how many loaded syringes Ben Geen and his fiancé Megan Crabbe were aware of - not including the one found on him upon arrival to work when he was arrested by police
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Sandra Lean has recently - via her podcast - attempted to promote the innocence fraud of serial killer Ben Geen
She claims not only did Geen ’not commit the crimes they didn’t happen’
Maybe during her next podcast she’ll name the prescription drugs Ben Geen was stealing from Horton General hospital, the quantities he stole, the dates on which he stole them and in what properties linked to Geen they were found in
Also maybe she can tell us why Mark McDonald (Ben Geen’s lawyer) contradicted Megan Crabbe’s evidence in chief during the ‘Nurses who kill’ documentary
And how many loaded syringes Ben Geen and his fiancé Megan Crabbe were aware of - not including the one found on him upon arrival to work when he was arrested by police
Maybe Sandra Lean can also explain in detail what was going on with regards the claims of money by his legal team during Geen’s appeal
See foot of judgement here https://bengeen.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/geen-judgment.pdf and comments by Lady Justice Hallett
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Sandra Lean has recently - via her podcast
also made claim she wasn’t involved in the Wrongly Accused Person orgs financial returns
But how was the money her and Billy Middleton received spent during the time leading up to when’s her resigned?
Jixy provided the forum with an alleged copy of an email Sandra Lean sent to Billy Middleton tending her resignation
Sandra Lean resigned from WAP more than 6 years ago!
Just so there is NO further confusion...
OSCR (Scottish Charities Commision) has confirmed that Sandra IS NOT registered in any capacity as being linked to WAP (and hasn't been since April 2013)
The email says Sandra Lean was a director of the charity Wrongly Accused Person Org but no where does it suggest Sandra Lean wasn’t responsible for how the money the organisation received was spent?
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Absolutely and most definitely did become another source of information of which much is dissected also. On the basis that it is nothing other than factual? Rolfe Instantly picked up on the comment of LM not sticking his middle finger up to the police but that of putting his seat belt on? Where Rolfe rightly points out that it most certainly looks like the middle finger to her, that one would use their other hand for the seatbelt. Granted this is nothing, and as she rightly points out. What if he did?, a typical gesture perhaps considering the claimed unwarranted attention.
But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
And it is still a bit of a puzzler is it not, as to why these two woman became entwined in September 2003, is it important? It is, as it could give reason as to why so much of what Ms Lean says as being flawed? DNA being one of the strongest, the multiple suggestion of everything and all of the rest. Very much personal rather than professional? Not independent.
A girl is murdered, the neighbourhood are on guard and worried, there is a killer on the lose. Parents are worried for the safety of their children. Ms Lean has two daughters, she has this drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man, this statement however does not apply to Luke Mitchell until much later, until after Luke's arrest. She is at this moment in time the same as any other parent. There is indeed a killer walking the streets. Protection over all else.
By July the 4th a warrant is issued for a search of the Mitchells house, we need not go into reason as to why other than that of suspicion. It is clear at this point that the police were suspicious of Luke Mitchell. There is further attention in the media and by August Luke Mitchell has his face in the papers. No one at this point in the public domain knows if Luke Mitchell killed Jodi Jones only that he was suspect to having done so. They know absolutely nothing of the investigation, of what may have warranted this suspicion and for it to remain upon him. Ms Lean, as with many others no doubt, may very well have wondered, why has he not been arrested yet? A stranger however is more inclined to think of IF's rather than that of certainty.
Onto being a parent of anyone not just Ms Lean. A claimed stranger, who knew not Luke Mitchell or his mother. Whom therefore would not have an inkling of the investigation of it's merit or otherwise and more importantly as a parent, that Luke Mitchell may well have been his girlfriends killer, he may not have been. That unknown factor of protection amongst strangers. We had a friend of Luke's at the graveyard, someone pointing out this could have been a friend of Luke's. Someone who had reason at this point of the investigation to only have a ? of doubt over their friend, however trust first and foremost. But Ms Lean is a stranger, a mother of two girls. What could possibly have given rise to the following?
That she would claim to have absolute faith and trust in knowing that this stranger was not Jodi Jones killer. That irrespective of personal feeling towards what may have been in the media. They are still claimed strangers. Not to have known each other. There is at this point a shadow of doubt strong enough to not know if he was responsible. Is it feasible at all to suggest that CM got wind of ? what exactly about Ms Leans concerns or feelings of what?, that on the basis of ?, she is claimed to have sought Ms Lean out at her place of work? It could not have been, there is someone who believes/knows my boy is innocent, this is in the weeks shortly after the murder? It could not have been that of someone understanding what CM was going through. Ms Lean had never been in this situation. It most certainly was not on any professional level. Ms Lean had no standing. She was just a mother of two girls working to earn a living. Not a lawyer, not actively known in any field, MOJ's or otherwise. And of course, this is the early days, there is no MOJ. It is within those first 2-3 months.
Someone pointed out a 'sympathetic ear' What would have been the need for Ms Mitchell to call upon a stranger? Where were Ms Mitchells family?, friends for this sympathetic ear? The mother of the girl at the graveyard? There would be no need to call upon any stranger or was it a friend? An acquaintance? One does not call upon strangers when one is no doubt guarded against outsiders becoming part of this personal plight? They would ultimately stay with those they have complete trust in? Not a stranger IMO.
Mention recently of that common link, of camping/caravanning? How many holidays had Ms Lean been on with the girls doing what she appears to love. Of being out in the open, away from it all. Camping/caravanning? Ms Lean stayed/stays in a small village and in this same village is Scotts Caravans. Where better to pick up supplies to hire or buy equipment? Whatever this connection was, it was not that of a total stranger IMO. A total stranger does not give cause to have absolute belief, that suspicion upon an another complete stranger of murder is unwarranted, without knowing absolutely anything of the people nor the investigation?
And it does matter? It does for much of what Ms Lean touts out is so far removed from the actual evidence, the main focus is away from the Mitchells and onto others. Of this constant cry of "Why were these others treated differently?" Rather than that of "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke" Why could he not be eliminated?
There are no appeals dragging these others up before the magistrates from highly professional bodies, from Luke's own defence at the time. From the inability of gaining further defence, the fall outs? Who had access and more to what Ms Lean had/has. From "No Smoke" to "Innocents Betrayed" Very personal writings and feelings of being aggrieved? Personally being aggrieved for this stranger from those very early days of this murder actually happening. Of having the exact same stance of Ms Mitchell - That this boy could do no wrong, everything is down to others, they are to blame?
You know what, I’m not much interested in SL or what you assume her motives to be. That’s way past stale. What I am interested in is the 100% copper-bottomed facts of the case and I’m afraid you have been found wanting on that score.
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Absolutely and most definitely did become another source of information of which much is dissected also. On the basis that it is nothing other than factual? Rolfe Instantly picked up on the comment of LM not sticking his middle finger up to the police but that of putting his seat belt on? Where Rolfe rightly points out that it most certainly looks like the middle finger to her, that one would use their other hand for the seatbelt. Granted this is nothing, and as she rightly points out. What if he did?, a typical gesture perhaps considering the claimed unwarranted attention.
But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
Sandra Lean lies by omission
What’s the real reason Shane Mitchel doesn’t openly support his brother, mother Corrine and indeed Sandra Lean’s claims?
What are the details surrounding Luke Mitchell’s threats/idealisations of suicide?
This is relevant to the murder as according to up to date research on intimate partner femicide - threats of suicide can be part and parcel of the 8 stage timeline
Sandra Lean also lies by restructuring - she clearly distorts the context
She also lies by exaggeration - her condom man story is one example of this
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Absolutely and most definitely did become another source of information of which much is dissected also. On the basis that it is nothing other than factual? Rolfe Instantly picked up on the comment of LM not sticking his middle finger up to the police but that of putting his seat belt on? Where Rolfe rightly points out that it most certainly looks like the middle finger to her, that one would use their other hand for the seatbelt. Granted this is nothing, and as she rightly points out. What if he did?, a typical gesture perhaps considering the claimed unwarranted attention.
But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
I am
Sandra Lean told me in 2014 she was questioning Luke & Corrine Mitchell’s relationship as well as his guilt
She also made claim she has wasted 10 years of her life
Did she have a wobble back in early 2014? She most certainly appeared to me to have changed her mind. Or was it cognitive dissonance?
Why did she feel she’d wasted 10 years of her life?
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But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
And it is still a bit of a puzzler is it not, as to why these two woman became entwined in September 2003, is it important? It is, as it could give reason as to why so much of what Ms Lean says as being flawed? DNA being one of the strongest, the multiple suggestion of everything and all of the rest. Very much personal rather than professional? Not independent.
A girl is murdered, the neighbourhood are on guard and worried, there is a killer on the lose. Parents are worried for the safety of their children. Ms Lean has two daughters
Were both Sandra Lean’s daughters living with her in 2003 or just the one daughter?
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And it is still a bit of a puzzler is it not, as to why these two woman became entwined in September 2003, is it important? It is, as it could give reason as to why so much of what Ms Lean says as being flawed? DNA being one of the strongest, the multiple suggestion of everything and all of the rest. Very much personal rather than professional? Not independent.
A girl is murdered, the neighbourhood are on guard and worried, there is a killer on the lose. Parents are worried for the safety of their children. Ms Lean has two daughters, she has this drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man, this statement however does not apply to Luke Mitchell until much later, until after Luke's arrest. She is at this moment in time the same as any other parent. There is indeed a killer walking the streets. Protection over all else.
Ms Lean’s two daughters had a father - a father who would have also been ‘on guard and worried’ yes?
Where were Sandra Leans daughters living in 2003?
Wouldn’t the girls father have had the same ‘drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man’ ?
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Onto being a parent of anyone not just Ms Lean. A claimed stranger, who knew not Luke Mitchell or his mother. Whom therefore would not have an inkling of the investigation of it's merit or otherwise and more importantly as a parent, that Luke Mitchell may well have been his girlfriends killer, he may not have been. That unknown factor of protection amongst strangers. We had a friend of Luke's at the graveyard, someone pointing out this could have been a friend of Luke's. Someone who had reason at this point of the investigation to only have a ? of doubt over their friend, however trust first and foremost. But Ms Lean is a stranger, a mother of two girls. What could possibly have given rise to the following?
That she would claim to have absolute faith and trust in knowing that this stranger was not Jodi Jones killer. That irrespective of personal feeling towards what may have been in the media. They are still claimed strangers. Not to have known each other. There is at this point a shadow of doubt strong enough to not know if he was responsible. Is it feasible at all to suggest that CM got wind of ? what exactly about Ms Leans concerns or feelings of what?, that on the basis of ?, she is claimed to have sought Ms Lean out at her place of work? It could not have been, there is someone who believes/knows my boy is innocent, this is in the weeks shortly after the murder? It could not have been that of someone understanding what CM was going through. Ms Lean had never been in this situation. It most certainly was not on any professional level. Ms Lean had no standing. She was just a mother of two girls working to earn a living. Not a lawyer, not actively known in any field, MOJ's or otherwise. And of course, this is the early days, there is no MOJ. It is within those first 2-3 months.
What other events went on in 2003 re Sandra Lean?
Was she a single parent at this point?
Did both girls live with her or just the one?
Some actual factual context would be helpful here
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Sandra Lean told me in 2014 she was questioning Luke & Corrine Mitchell’s relationship as well as his guilt
She also made claim she has wasted 10 years of her life
Did she have a wobble back in early 2014? She most certainly appeared to me to have changed her mind. Or was it cognitive dissonance?
Why did she feel she’d wasted 10 years of her life?
Her judgement should certainly be questioned if she chose you to confide in.
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Absolutely and most definitely did become another source of information of which much is dissected also. On the basis that it is nothing other than factual? Rolfe Instantly picked up on the comment of LM not sticking his middle finger up to the police but that of putting his seat belt on? Where Rolfe rightly points out that it most certainly looks like the middle finger to her, that one would use their other hand for the seatbelt. Granted this is nothing, and as she rightly points out. What if he did?, a typical gesture perhaps considering the claimed unwarranted attention.
But what does stand out here is that of Ms Lean, yet again, of excusing all and everything as not happening? "half a mars bar" situ. This boy could do no wrong? Distain or not on this forum, the majority of which is critique of Ms Leans stance and work. The dissection of her flaws? And rightly so. Some see beyond this claim of having no reason to lie or manipulate to gain a killer freedom? That Ms Lean would only do as she does on the basis of complete belief in innocence. And that is correct, no one is disputing Ms Leans beliefs. But they are first and foremost, hers. But is that absolute non acceptance of the real possibility that he did indeed kill his girlfriend? Of the strength of the evidence starting first and foremost with this young couple meeting and of no alibi. Does it Stem from an earlier connection?
And it is still a bit of a puzzler is it not, as to why these two woman became entwined in September 2003, is it important? It is, as it could give reason as to why so much of what Ms Lean says as being flawed? DNA being one of the strongest, the multiple suggestion of everything and all of the rest. Very much personal rather than professional? Not independent.
A girl is murdered, the neighbourhood are on guard and worried, there is a killer on the lose. Parents are worried for the safety of their children. Ms Lean has two daughters, she has this drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man, this statement however does not apply to Luke Mitchell until much later, until after Luke's arrest. She is at this moment in time the same as any other parent. There is indeed a killer walking the streets. Protection over all else.
By July the 4th a warrant is issued for a search of the Mitchells house, we need not go into reason as to why other than that of suspicion. It is clear at this point that the police were suspicious of Luke Mitchell. There is further attention in the media and by August Luke Mitchell has his face in the papers. No one at this point in the public domain knows if Luke Mitchell killed Jodi Jones only that he was suspect to having done so. They know absolutely nothing of the investigation, of what may have warranted this suspicion and for it to remain upon him. Ms Lean, as with many others no doubt, may very well have wondered, why has he not been arrested yet? A stranger however is more inclined to think of IF's rather than that of certainty.
Onto being a parent of anyone not just Ms Lean. A claimed stranger, who knew not Luke Mitchell or his mother. Whom therefore would not have an inkling of the investigation of it's merit or otherwise and more importantly as a parent, that Luke Mitchell may well have been his girlfriends killer, he may not have been. That unknown factor of protection amongst strangers. We had a friend of Luke's at the graveyard, someone pointing out this could have been a friend of Luke's. Someone who had reason at this point of the investigation to only have a ? of doubt over their friend, however trust first and foremost. But Ms Lean is a stranger, a mother of two girls. What could possibly have given rise to the following?
That she would claim to have absolute faith and trust in knowing that this stranger was not Jodi Jones killer. That irrespective of personal feeling towards what may have been in the media. They are still claimed strangers. Not to have known each other. There is at this point a shadow of doubt strong enough to not know if he was responsible. Is it feasible at all to suggest that CM got wind of ? what exactly about Ms Leans concerns or feelings of what?, that on the basis of ?, she is claimed to have sought Ms Lean out at her place of work? It could not have been, there is someone who believes/knows my boy is innocent, this is in the weeks shortly after the murder? It could not have been that of someone understanding what CM was going through. Ms Lean had never been in this situation. It most certainly was not on any professional level. Ms Lean had no standing. She was just a mother of two girls working to earn a living. Not a lawyer, not actively known in any field, MOJ's or otherwise. And of course, this is the early days, there is no MOJ. It is within those first 2-3 months.
Someone pointed out a 'sympathetic ear' What would have been the need for Ms Mitchell to call upon a stranger? Where were Ms Mitchells family?, friends for this sympathetic ear? The mother of the girl at the graveyard? There would be no need to call upon any stranger or was it a friend? An acquaintance? One does not call upon strangers when one is no doubt guarded against outsiders becoming part of this personal plight? They would ultimately stay with those they have complete trust in? Not a stranger IMO.
Mention recently of that common link, of camping/caravanning? How many holidays had Ms Lean been on with the girls doing what she appears to love. Of being out in the open, away from it all. Camping/caravanning? Ms Lean stayed/stays in a small village and in this same village is Scotts Caravans. Where better to pick up supplies to hire or buy equipment? Whatever this connection was, it was not that of a total stranger IMO. A total stranger does not give cause to have absolute belief, that suspicion upon an another complete stranger of murder is unwarranted, without knowing absolutely anything of the people nor the investigation?
And it does matter? It does for much of what Ms Lean touts out is so far removed from the actual evidence, the main focus is away from the Mitchells and onto others. Of this constant cry of "Why were these others treated differently?" Rather than that of "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke" Why could he not be eliminated?
There are no appeals dragging these others up before the magistrates from highly professional bodies, from Luke's own defence at the time. From the inability of gaining further defence, the fall outs? Who had access and more to what Ms Lean had/has. From "No Smoke" to "Innocents Betrayed" Very personal writings and feelings of being aggrieved? Personally being aggrieved for this stranger from those very early days of this murder actually happening. Of having the exact same stance of Ms Mitchell - That this boy could do no wrong, everything is down to others, they are to blame?
Good read Parky.
Personally, I have absolutely no doubt they knew each other before the murder.
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Good read Parky.
Personally, I have absolutely no doubt they knew each other before the murder.
Though you have no evidence that they did, do you?
To be fair not that it matters...the facts are the facts.
If you believe that Luke wasn’t suspected from the get go how do you explain his treatment in relation to the other searchers? Both AW and SK had been over the wall, AW had been closer to the body than the others. Were they immediately taken to the police station? Were they asked to wear a white forensic suit while their clothes were forensically examined? Was their DNA taken?
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Yes, it covers just LM's case. I haven't managed to find another book that covers the case.
I think the book is well researched and very informative, although I realise others don't agree.
Sandra Lean's "No Smoke", written some years before, covers LM's case plus others, and so is not anything like as detailed.
Thank you. I'll order a copy and let others know what I think here 8((()*/
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Thank you. I'll order a copy and let others know what I think here 8((()*/
I’d clear my diary for a few days if I was you, there’s a lot of information to digest in there.
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Mention recently of that common link, of camping/caravanning? How many holidays had Ms Lean been on with the girls doing what she appears to love. Of being out in the open, away from it all. Camping/caravanning? Ms Lean stayed/stays in a small village and in this same village is Scotts Caravans. Where better to pick up supplies to hire or buy equipment? Whatever this connection was, it was not that of a total stranger IMO. A total stranger does not give cause to have absolute belief, that suspicion upon an another complete stranger of murder is unwarranted, without knowing absolutely anything of the people nor the investigation?
And it does matter? It does for much of what Ms Lean touts out is so far removed from the actual evidence, the main focus is away from the Mitchells and onto others. Of this constant cry of "Why were these others treated differently?" Rather than that of "Why did suspicion fall upon Luke" Why could he not be eliminated?
There are no appeals dragging these others up before the magistrates from highly professional bodies, from Luke's own defence at the time. From the inability of gaining further defence, the fall outs? Who had access and more to what Ms Lean had/has. From "No Smoke" to "Innocents Betrayed" Very personal writings and feelings of being aggrieved? Personally being aggrieved for this stranger from those very early days of this murder actually happening. Of having the exact same stance of Ms Mitchell - That this boy could do no wrong, everything is down to others, they are to blame?
Is the common link ‘camping/caravanning’ or Romani travellers?
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Sandra Lean made claim in October 2019 she had withdrawn her book ‘No Smoke’ from the publishers (Stephen T Manning/Checkpoint press)
However in a recent podcast with Sharon Sunshine (Liquid Sunshine Crime on YouTube) where ‘No Smoke’ appeared to be again being promoted - she made claim she hasn’t been able to get in touch with the publisher?
Anyone have any idea what’s true and what’s not regarding ‘No Smoke’?
Has anyone ever counted how many times Sharon Sunshine nods and says ‘yes’ during her podcasts?
She’s not saying anything in this podcast https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFJN5-ciN0 but apparently the ‘Keep Talking 'till They're Walking!’ title is about her and people like her to keep talking about killers like Luke Mitchell until they walk free from jail (Maybe if Paul Capaldi took the “beer goggles” off - the ones Sharon Sunshine claims he wears - he’d be able to see sense?)
Kenny, Louise, Dani and Stephanie are apparently her ‘amazing friends and team’. (’Keep Talking 'till They're Walking! It Really Matters! Luke Mitchell. Jodi Jones. who got Justice??’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXpVxU8qdE)
With a team of ‘amazing friends’ like that there’s no need to give any consideration to Jodi Jone’s family and what people like her (Sharon Sunshine) are putting them all through by lionising murderer Luke Mitchell - the man the Jones family still view as Jodi’s killer and have never wavered from
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What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Robert Gilhooly’s evidence?
‘Earlier during Thursday's proceedings, supermarket worker Robert Gilhooly, 17, who was described as a friend of Mr Mitchell's, said he had seen a photo of Miss Thomson and thought it was Jodi.
He told the jury that Mr Mitchell, 16, had also remarked on the likeness.
Mr Gilhooly said: "He mentioned that they looked alike. He said they were almost identical."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
When did Luke Mitchell tell his friend Robert Gilhooly he was cheating on Jodi with Kimberly Thompson and that they looked alike?
And what else did Luke tell his friend?
‘Robert Gilhooly, 17, from Livingston, told the court that he had seen Luke Mitchell and Kim together around Christmas 2002 and got the impression they were going out.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-trial-hears-boyfriend-was-two-timing-her-with-lookalike-m8c80v6jrhq
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What does Sandra Lean say in her book about Robert Gilhooly’s evidence?
‘Earlier during Thursday's proceedings, supermarket worker Robert Gilhooly, 17, who was described as a friend of Mr Mitchell's, said he had seen a photo of Miss Thomson and thought it was Jodi.
He told the jury that Mr Mitchell, 16, had also remarked on the likeness.
Mr Gilhooly said: "He mentioned that they looked alike. He said they were almost identical."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
When did Luke Mitchell tell his friend Robert Gilhooly he was cheating on Jodi with Kimberly Thompson and that they looked alike?
And what else did Luke tell his friend?
‘Robert Gilhooly, 17, from Livingston, told the court that he had seen Luke Mitchell and Kim together around Christmas 2002 and got the impression they were going out.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-trial-hears-boyfriend-was-two-timing-her-with-lookalike-m8c80v6jrhq
‘Advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC asks Robert if Mitchell had heard anything from Kim after Jodi had been killed.
Robert replies: 'I think I asked Luke what Kim had said and I'm sure he said Kim had texted or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.'
Mr Turnbull then asks Robert if Mitchell had said it was all over between him and Kim.
He replies: 'I think he mentioned she was going to stand by him.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+I+think+I%27m+actually+in+love+with+Luke..+well...-a0125381355
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Has anyone ever counted how many times Sharon Sunshine nods and says ‘yes’ during her podcasts?
She’s not saying anything in this podcast https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFJN5-ciN0 but apparently the ‘Keep Talking 'till They're Walking!’ title is about her and people like her to keep talking about killers like Luke Mitchell until they walk free from jail (Maybe if Paul Capaldi took the “beer goggles” off - the ones Sharon Sunshine claims he wears - he’d be able to see sense?)
Kenny, Louise, Dani and Stephanie are apparently her ‘amazing friends and team’. (’Keep Talking 'till They're Walking! It Really Matters! Luke Mitchell. Jodi Jones. who got Justice??’ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXpVxU8qdE)
With a team of ‘amazing friends’ like that there’s no need to give any consideration to Jodi Jone’s family and what people like her (Sharon Sunshine) are putting them all through by lionising murderer Luke Mitchell - the man the Jones family still view as Jodi’s killer and have never wavered from
And Jerome
Sharon Sunshine says laughing ‘incase you didn’t know we’re in the Sandra Lean fan club’
Louise says twice she has ‘two notepads now’ she also plugs Sandra’s book and says it’s ‘more important to read the book’ and ‘people need educated’
No idea who ‘Pete’ is referred to by Jerome - Killer Brendan Dassy’s father possibly?
Here’s Sharon mocking Paul Capaldi https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFJN5-ciN0 another YouTube ‘influencer’
In some ways their behaviour reminds me of the ‘influencer’ referred to here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLxg3zSnjA&ab_channel=Foryoureyesonly
More on the wrongful conviction movement and the use of ‘influencers’ here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=laujRg3W5C4&feature=youtu.be
What did Sharon Sunshine, Louise, Dani, Stephanie, Fiona, Paul, Kenny and Jerome really know about Sandra Lean before they came across her and her book or the James English podcast?
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‘I legitimately think that the word “innocence” is enough for people - that’s their due diligence’ (Devon Tracey)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=laujRg3W5C4&feature=youtu.be
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The guy in the above also appears to have recorded the alternative route by the river https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDb8YL1HEjw
Stuart Dempsey McMillan
https://www.scotsman.com/news/two-charged-over-dealing-cocaine-worth-ps2m-1703533
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff84760d03e7f57ebdb0b
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Sharon Sunshine says laughing ‘incase you didn’t know we’re in the Sandra Lean fan club’
Sharon also stated in December 2020 Amanda Knox is ‘legally innocent’
Here is exactly what she said ⬇️
‘Most of you need to wise up, you are media sheep unable to think for yourselves.. She is legally innocent, Amanda was the victim in her story. Meredith was the victim in her's
Go on with your half a brain logic! She is only guilty of answering piers
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Sandra Lean lies by omission
What’s the real reason Shane Mitchel doesn’t openly support his brother, mother Corrine and indeed Sandra Lean’s claims?
What are the details surrounding Luke Mitchell’s threats/idealisations of suicide?
Were Luke Mitchell’s threats/idealisations of suicide omitted from the forensic psychologist who assessed him pre-trial?
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And sadly a great deal of brainwashing by the looks of it
‘I am totally mortified you even link suicidal thoughts to being a murderer’
I’ve no idea what Luke Mitchell’s thoughts were or are but not only did he write about suicide when he was 14 or younger he referred to suicide again when he was around 30 years old - to Rozlyn Little in 2018
Excerpt from Prof Jane Monckton Smith book ‘In Control: Dangerous Relationships & How They End in Murder’
The calm before the storm
’Threats of suicide and threats to kill are not necessarily idle; both could signal a future homicide in this context and should be taken very seriously every time.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/in-control/jane-monckton-smith/9781526613219
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'Anyone not taking on all this new info the mistakes etc are being "wilfully ignorant." (Latest Q&A session from Ms Lean)
Ms Lean and CM's "mad theories" have been in abundance for many years, from the early days of "Jigsawman" to the present day. Hardly "new info" Just a new set of people who are not "willfully ignorant" it would seem. The perfect audience - those who do not question the doctrine being pushed out. It really is a "Cult" reincarnation of the old "WAP" forum
"a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular thing." - most definitely not the truth however.
You are not permitted to ask certain questions, if you do they will be ignored. The faithful will instantly brand you as a "troll"
You're comments will be removed, there is only room - for the "truth" according to their leader.
Doing an amazing job however - the intellect is second to none, exactly what this cult requires for membership.
'trust me mate, av been carrying out interviews these past 48hrs, it was the 4 of them with Cotter as the lookout'
'100% mate trust me' followed by 'tick tock ya beasty b******s'
OR
'there wiz dna o jodies aw over the ootside of the condom' - cracking job, they really are paying attention?
Some of the comments already removed, more so about this very same person maligning SF, can't have that now, keep up the good detective work but please do not speak of my friend in this manner, simply not allowed.
INNOCENTS BETRAYED
One of the young girls working for free for Sandra Lean stated,
‘I dont understand how this interview with a newspaper you keep repeating to me is proof Luke killed Jodi. I am totally mortified you even link suicidal thoughts to being a murderer. Please show us all concrete proof. . .you do not have it only newspapers and non related books. .
When will Sandra Lean tell her followers of Simon Hall’s innocence fraud and of the danger signs/red flags to look out for in their relationships ?
What signs does she tell her two daughters to look out for ?
Or are they, like her, seemingly none the wiser ? 8(8-))
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‘Judge’ Sandra Lean ⬇️
https://tpjackson.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/righteousness-in-a-straitjacket-the-criminal-cases-review-commission/
*&^^&
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I want to know about this? What was Dr Lean’s involvement with Steven and Stephanie Hall?
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She giggles throughout. Is murder that hilarious?
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I want to know about this? What was Dr Lean’s involvement with Steven and Stephanie Hall?
Sandra Lean featured Simon Hall’s innocence fraud in her book ‘no smoke’
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Sandra Lean featured Simon Hall’s innocence fraud in her book ‘no smoke’
I have read "No Smoke", and i got the impression that SL was not saying the people featured in it were definitely innocent, but that there were aspects of their trials that made one ask questions.
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And Jerome
Sharon Sunshine says laughing ‘incase you didn’t know we’re in the Sandra Lean fan club’
Louise says twice she has ‘two notepads now’ she also plugs Sandra’s book and says it’s ‘more important to read the book’ and ‘people need educated’
No idea who ‘Pete’ is referred to by Jerome - Killer Brendan Dassy’s father possibly?
Here’s Sharon mocking Paul Capaldi https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFJN5-ciN0 another YouTube ‘influencer’
She laughs all the way through whilst talking about a brutal murder of a 14 year old girl.
🌻Her name is Jodi Jones🌻
In some ways their behaviour reminds me of the ‘influencer’ referred to here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLxg3zSnjA&ab_channel=Foryoureyesonly
More on the wrongful conviction movement and the use of ‘influencers’ here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=laujRg3W5C4&feature=youtu.be
What did Sharon Sunshine, Louise, Dani, Stephanie, Fiona, Paul, Kenny and Jerome really know about Sandra Lean before they came across her and her book or the James English podcast?
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She laughs all the way through whilst talking about a brutal murder of a 14 year old girl.
🌻Her name is Jodi Jones🌻
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I have read "No Smoke", and i got the impression that SL was not saying the people featured in it were definitely innocent, but that there were aspects of their trials that made one ask questions.
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1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’
Conviction overturned, no re-trial
‘We are obviously delighted that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised what we have been telling them all along – Simon was always innocent of this crime. There will be many issues to be addressed in the coming months, including questions regarding why evidence pointing to other suspects was never properly investigated, and why it has taken so long to get to this stage. Bearing in mind that the real perpetrators may yet be brought to trial, and they deserve a fair trial, which is something not afforded to Simon, I cannot go into too much detail about the other evidence at this time. However, should the authorities fail to re-open the investigation into Mrs Albert’s death and pursue the real murderers, then we will not hesitate to make public everything we have uncovered. One way or another, the whole truth will come out, we will make sure of it.
Conviction quashed, Re-trial ordered.
‘Although we are pleased that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised that the conviction of Simon was flawed, we are disappointed in the decision to stage a re-trial. Although I am unable to say too much at this stage, the CPS knew about several other pieces of evidence pointing away from Simon and towards another perpetrator right from the beginning of this case.
It is shameful that it has taken this long for them to admit this conviction was unsafe, and an outrage that an innocent man must remain in prison awaiting another trial, when the original case against him has collapsed. Simon has already lost more than eight years of his life to this disgrace, and now must wait for the system to set up yet another ordeal in his fight to prove his innocence.
However, we are confident that the re-trial will exonerate Simon completely, and he will finally walk out of prison the way he walked in – innocent.
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “What today’s decision means is that the British Justice system would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in jails for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit they got it wrong. Given that the DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case, this re-trial appears to be nothing more than a face-saving exercise from a prosecution machine that cannot accept its own failings. Perhaps the best that can be said about it is that it offers the opportunity for Simon to finally clear his name.”
Conviction Upheld
‘This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on.”[/color]
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She laughs all the way through whilst talking about a brutal murder of a 14 year old girl.
🌻Her name is Jodi Jones🌻
She believes her own lies - she’s deluded
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/spycatcher/201301/are-you-being-manipulated-social-puppeteer?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Sharon Sunshine says laughing ‘incase you didn’t know we’re in the Sandra Lean fan club’
And not unlike Sandra Lean Sharon is also a liar
Referring to me Sharon Indy Sunshine claims ⬇️
‘I have them blocked on Twitter after a nasty bunch of tweets and dms directed at me when Sandra was on with me away last year!
I say ignore them, it's not worth the energy it takes away from the fight for Luke and Jodi.
Let them bitch, we are strong and wee know what we are doing!
So instead of getting pissed off get out there and inform people, at your work at the park, in shops, at your front door if necessary.
Your voice is a powerful thing let's hear it!!
💛💛💛’
I have never sent this women a DM! What reason would I have to do so?
Nor do I consider my tweets in response to her ludicrous assumptions ‘nasty’ - in the main I asked her questions
She even made the ludicrous claim I was ‘reading too much into’ her thoughts ??? ⬇️
https://twitter.com/Sharonsunshiney/status/1324133667657142272
Further ⬇️
https://twitter.com/HiddenInjustice/status/1332688879028228100
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She's still promoting her Youtube and using Jodi’s brutal murder as a stepping stone to “fame” it's disgusting quite frankly. That's putting it mildly.
Her name is Jodi Jones 🌻
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‘Making a murderer’ superfan Paul Capaldi recently read an excerpt from Sandra Leans book & referred to her as Sandra ‘Lane’ during his podcast via his YouTube channel
However apparently Sandra Lean states in the introduction of her book,
Truth seeking is a precarious task and often maligned pursuit - to be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko - these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth’
From my viewpoint - especially in relation to her involvement with Billy Middleton (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712)
& killer Simon Hall - it is Sandra lean who appears to be afraid of the truth
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
Did Sandra Lean decide to write IB after having watched Netflix’s ‘making a murderer’ ?
Was this her ‘target’ audience?
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From my viewpoint - especially in relation to her involvement with Billy Middleton (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712)
& killer Simon Hall - it is Sandra lean who appears to be afraid of the truth
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
Did Sandra Lean decide to write IB after having watched Netflix’s ‘making a murderer’ ?
Was this her ‘target’ audience?
I forgot about PC. He also ignored my question. I asked him if he'd looked further than SL's books for information. Like Sharon Sunshine I find him difficult to watch.
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And not unlike Sandra Lean Sharon is also a liar
Sandra Lean claimed her book No Smoke had been pulled from publication
Why then is there a photograph of its cover here with no explanation https://innocentsbetrayedltd.com/ ?
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I forgot about PC. He also ignored my question. I asked him if he'd looked further than SL's books for information. Like Sharon Sunshine I find him difficult to watch.
Paul Capaldi 🙄
He’s extremely deluded along with Derek Edmund
Derek Edmund was apparently 2 years older than [Name removed]’s and once saw her in the school playground with you know who
He now claims to have spoken to them 🙄
Derek Edmund (3rd March 2021)
‘Looking forward to the chat with you Paul. Also being one of the Admins for this group, I would like to see as many of the members from this group tuned in as possible. The more awareness we raise regarding this case, the better the chance of obtaining an independent case review 😊
Someone asked Derek if he was in [Name removed]’s & LM’s year at school - his reply,
‘EM I wasn’t but had mutual friends in their year 😊
He also states on 25th Feb 2021,
‘CH I have my beliefs but with being part of the main group and working so closely with Sandra, I am not really in a position to say as pointing fingers could jeopardise the integrity of any case review that we are trying to fight for.
&
‘CH I’m part of the official team working alongside Sandra to raise the profile of the case but very close to the heartbeat of the case right now yes.
‘CH it’s fine being on this group as it’s run by the team. There’s a lot of rumours flying around just now. Everything will even itself out if we get the independent case review.
Derek Edmund
‘I went to the same school at the same time as Luke and Jodi and knew them both so this case is so close to me that I feel invested in getting Jodi and Luke their justice.
Derek Edmund maybe ‘knew’ of them but he didn’t know either of them - he recalls seeing them once according to another disclosure he made
Derek Edmund
‘Once you break down the probability of Luke committing the crime, you see how distanced he becomes from being a suspect, let alone the key suspect. From the timings, to the DNA to the eyewitness accounts and statements being changed and not questioned. To also pass a polygraph test both Luke and his Mum passing with flying colours, it couldn’t have been more conclusive. Questions were there from the outset regarding Luke’s incarceration and we won’t give up on this until we get him exonerated.
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Paul Capaldi 🙄
He’s extremely deluded along with Derek Edmund
Derek Edmund was apparently 2 years older than [Name removed]’s and once saw her in the school playground with you know who
He now claims to have spoken to them 🙄
Derek Edmund (3rd March 2021)
‘Looking forward to the chat with you Paul. Also being one of the Admins for this group, I would like to see as many of the members from this group tuned in as possible. The more awareness we raise regarding this case, the better the chance of obtaining an independent case review 😊
Someone asked Derek if he was in [Name removed]’s & LM’s year at school - his reply,
‘EM I wasn’t but had mutual friends in their year 😊
He also states on 25th Feb 2021,
‘CH I have my beliefs but with being part of the main group and working so closely with Sandra, I am not really in a position to say as pointing fingers could jeopardise the integrity of any case review that we are trying to fight for.
&
‘CH I’m part of the official team working alongside Sandra to raise the profile of the case but very close to the heartbeat of the case right now yes.
‘CH it’s fine being on this group as it’s run by the team. There’s a lot of rumours flying around just now. Everything will even itself out if we get the independent case review.
I shall have to Google Derek Edmund.
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I shall have to Google Derek Edmund.
He appears to have been manipulated and fallen for the credibility fallacy
Derek Edmund
That’s interesting as I lived in Whitecraig at the time. I still imagine Luke as I saw him last at school. Same with Jodi too. Working so closely with Dr Sandra Lean and our little team that we have, we are not giving up on getting that justice for both Jodi and Luke. We won’t stop until we see Luke exonerated. The more likeminded people we get on board, the more clout we will have to call into question those who have let the system down and more importantly, Jodi and Luke.
As I’ve said - he apparently recalls seeing them both in the school playground once talking to each other
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He appears to have been manipulated and fallen for the credibility fallacy
Derek Edmund
That’s interesting as I lived in Whitecraig at the time. I still imagine Luke as I saw him last at school. Same with Jodi too. Working so closely with Dr Sandra Lean and our little team that we have, we are not giving up on getting that justice for both Jodi and Luke. We won’t stop until we see Luke exonerated. The more likeminded people we get on board, the more clout we will have to call into question those who have let the system down and more importantly, Jodi and Luke.
As I’ve said - he apparently recalls seeing them both in the school playground once talking to each other
Derek Edmund - who was a couple of years older than Jodi has gone from apparently once seeing her and her killer LM in the school playground
to now claiming he used to ‘chat to’ Jodi at school 🙄
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Sandra Lean has stated many things in relation to her book ‘No Smoke’
For example in January 2017 she stated here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
‘ the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”[/i]
For me Sandra Lean appears to have a low level conscience and her morality is highly questionable
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For me Sandra Lean appears to have a low level conscience and her morality is highly questionable
The next time someone asks me for proof I'm going to have to say, it's not in the public domain.
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The next time someone asks me for proof I'm going to have to say, it's not in the public domain.
or ‘make of that what you will’ 🙄
For me her low level conscience and seemingly lack of morality was clear when she chose to attempt to deny Simon halls factual guilt
And choosing to use having two daughters around [Name removed]’s age as some sort of weapon or crutch to bolster her claims isn’t far behind that
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A reminder------please keep on topic.
Thanks !
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And who fact checked her book?
How long did she refer to herself as a ‘journalist’ ⬇️
(Top of page 7) https://ewds.strath.ac.uk/Portals/50/IASMiscarriages_Justice_Report.pdf
anyone know?
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How long did she refer to herself as a ‘journalist’ ⬇️
(Top of page 7) https://ewds.strath.ac.uk/Portals/50/IASMiscarriages_Justice_Report.pdf
anyone know?
Please read this. It's from the BBC at the time of LM's trial. I suspect that a lot of information wasn't shared.
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How long did she refer to herself as a ‘journalist’ ⬇️
(Top of page 7) https://ewds.strath.ac.uk/Portals/50/IASMiscarriages_Justice_Report.pdf
anyone know?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
The press should never be gagged IMO because it leaves the door open for anyone to come along years later and say whatever they like.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
There’s an error in this article ⬆️ re the year Killer Luke Mitchell murdered [Name removed]’s
Jodi Jones: A uniquely hard case (21st January 2005)
By Rosalind McInnes
BBC Scotland lawyer
‘The Jodi Jones murder case is, it has been said, the longest Scottish murder trial against a single accused.
For the jurors, and for anyone with even a professional interest in this especially disturbing case, it certainly must feel that way.
The millennium has already seen some outstandingly protracted and terrible Scottish murder proceedings - the mass slaughter of Lockerbie, the carnage of William Beggs, the calculating horror of Nat Fraser's crime.
Each represents an unimaginable tragedy for those intimately involved. Each also poses delicate legal questions.
How does a journalist do the job of letting the public know what is going on, in a case evoking widespread outrage and fear, whilst protecting vulnerable participants and the presumption of innocence?
The law tries to hold the values of open justice, human sensitivity and legitimate public interest in a workable tension.
Fraught trial
First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
Luke Mitchell's trial was fraught from the very beginning. At the time of Jodi's murder, he was, as defence counsel was later to stress, 14.
Everyone in Dalkeith, and soon throughout the UK, knew who he was. When he was arrested, at the age of 15, the legal rules protecting the anonymity of children kicked in.
As a mere suspect, he could be named, and was. As an arrested minor, his name could not be published.
The outcome was an ironic happy birthday from some chagrined tabloids when Luke Mitchell turned 16, and, later, contempt proceedings against some newspapers which were felt by the Procurator Fiscal to have jumped the gun.
The publicity before the arrest, including the boy's own television interview, denying Jodi's murder, helped to muddy the waters.
As preparations went ahead for the trial, the court reporters felt increasingly embattled.
Swingeing demands by the defence to recover vast amounts of material from broadcasters, without a reason being offered, were only trimmed back after a hearing before the trial judge, Lord Nimmo Smith.
The defence made an early, unsuccessful attempt to have the BBC found in contempt for reporting on the planned reconstruction of the wall behind which the victim's body was found.
The Telegraph was also called into court to apologise for an article it published early in the trial
Defence counsel apparently even objected at one point to being sketched by BBC courtroom artist Julia Quenzler, who had flown up from London for the trial.
Unusual structure
Broadcasters especially began to struggle to make meaningful packages. The tight Scottish approach to identification evidence means photographs of the accused are rarely shown.
In the Mitchell trial, however, it was made clear by the judge that shots of the crime-scene might themselves amount to contempt.
This unusual stricture began to make sense as the Crown's case developed, but would have been difficult to predict.
The trial judge, although in no way obstructive to the media's need to do their job, felt unable to give a pre-trial briefing, beyond saying that the media could report what went on in court.
For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps - which the people in this public court were seeing; hence the poignant over-use of the home video of Jodi Jones.
The challenge to make television coverage relevant and comprehensible, especially when the evidence was complicated and circumstantial, was at least partly mitigated by the courtroom sketches, but increased as the weeks wore on.
In the context of the trial of a young man for the brutal murder of a young girl, reporters' difficulties pall into insignificance.
A combination of factors in the Jodi Jones murder trial, however - the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
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There’s an error in this article ⬆️ re the year Killer Luke Mitchell murdered [Name removed]’s
Jodi Jones: A uniquely hard case (21st January 2005)
By Rosalind McInnes
BBC Scotland lawyer
‘The Jodi Jones murder case is, it has been said, the longest Scottish murder trial against a single accused.
For the jurors, and for anyone with even a professional interest in this especially disturbing case, it certainly must feel that way.
The millennium has already seen some outstandingly protracted and terrible Scottish murder proceedings - the mass slaughter of Lockerbie, the carnage of William Beggs, the calculating horror of Nat Fraser's crime.
Each represents an unimaginable tragedy for those intimately involved. Each also poses delicate legal questions.
How does a journalist do the job of letting the public know what is going on, in a case evoking widespread outrage and fear, whilst protecting vulnerable participants and the presumption of innocence?
The law tries to hold the values of open justice, human sensitivity and legitimate public interest in a workable tension.
Fraught trial
First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
Luke Mitchell's trial was fraught from the very beginning. At the time of Jodi's murder, he was, as defence counsel was later to stress, 14.
Everyone in Dalkeith, and soon throughout the UK, knew who he was. When he was arrested, at the age of 15, the legal rules protecting the anonymity of children kicked in.
As a mere suspect, he could be named, and was. As an arrested minor, his name could not be published.
The outcome was an ironic happy birthday from some chagrined tabloids when Luke Mitchell turned 16, and, later, contempt proceedings against some newspapers which were felt by the Procurator Fiscal to have jumped the gun.
The publicity before the arrest, including the boy's own television interview, denying Jodi's murder, helped to muddy the waters.
As preparations went ahead for the trial, the court reporters felt increasingly embattled.
Swingeing demands by the defence to recover vast amounts of material from broadcasters, without a reason being offered, were only trimmed back after a hearing before the trial judge, Lord Nimmo Smith.
The defence made an early, unsuccessful attempt to have the BBC found in contempt for reporting on the planned reconstruction of the wall behind which the victim's body was found.
The Telegraph was also called into court to apologise for an article it published early in the trial
Defence counsel apparently even objected at one point to being sketched by BBC courtroom artist Julia Quenzler, who had flown up from London for the trial.
Unusual structure
Broadcasters especially began to struggle to make meaningful packages. The tight Scottish approach to identification evidence means photographs of the accused are rarely shown.
In the Mitchell trial, however, it was made clear by the judge that shots of the crime-scene might themselves amount to contempt.
This unusual stricture began to make sense as the Crown's case developed, but would have been difficult to predict.
The trial judge, although in no way obstructive to the media's need to do their job, felt unable to give a pre-trial briefing, beyond saying that the media could report what went on in court.
For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps - which the people in this public court were seeing; hence the poignant over-use of the home video of Jodi Jones.
The challenge to make television coverage relevant and comprehensible, especially when the evidence was complicated and circumstantial, was at least partly mitigated by the courtroom sketches, but increased as the weeks wore on.
In the context of the trial of a young man for the brutal murder of a young girl, reporters' difficulties pall into insignificance.
A combination of factors in the Jodi Jones murder trial, however - the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
I don't see that error.
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I don't see that error.
It’s in the link you posted http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
underneath the first photograph
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It’s in the link you posted underneath the first photograph
Thanks for pointing it out. I see the error now. Thank you.
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Excerpt from Prof Jane Monckton Smith book ‘In Control: Dangerous Relationships & How They End in Murder’
The calm before the storm
’Threats of suicide and threats to kill are not necessarily idle; both could signal a future homicide in this context and should be taken very seriously every time.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/in-control/jane-monckton-smith/9781526613219
Has anyone found out anymore on killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘threats of suicide’?
What type of conversations did he have with Jodi about this subject baring in mind this is how her father died?
Luke Mitchell
“I was always bullied by teachers and considered suicide, but all that went away” https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/16881794.amp/
What does Corinne Mitchell say about this ⬆️?
And was his school notified of the above?
”Why can’t I die?
Is there a purpose in my life?
If not, then suicide is my best option!”
https://expressdigest.com/murderer-luke-mitchell-in-fresh-bid-to-clear-his-name/
What was said about the above written on Luke Mitchell’s school jotters?
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Has anyone found out anymore on killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘threats of suicide’?
What type of conversations did he have with Jodi about this subject baring in mind this is how her father died?
What does Corinne Mitchell say about this ⬆️?
And was his school notified of the above?
What was said about the above written on Luke Mitchell’s school jotters?
You seen this? Thought you may be interested.
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Now for the actual book, to run through chapter by chapter. A brief conclusion of opinion, based on that invitation by Ms Lean. "To make of it what you will?"
The introduction from page 13:
"Truth seeking is a precarious and often maligned pursuit. To be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko......these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth.That fear is understandable"
Amidst the claims of the book being the true story of Injustice, for Jodi and her family, for Luke and his family, and for every person - it is the story of Injustice perpetrated in our names:
Clever? Manipulative - definitely. Ms Lean instantly sows those seeds, she is telling the reader that what she is doing is for them, that she is speaking the truth, that any backlash than may ensue should be treated as people being "afraid of the truth." Where she uses lot's of "we" to highlight this unity, telling us that Justice, those who take care of it, are at the very core of our safety, that ultimately we put blind faith in this, we trust them. That those who react " so negatively" do so out of "fear" That they -
"miss the most central point of truth-seeking: It is not only to ensure that the correct person has been convicted, but also to discover what really happened - in this case, to a fourteen-year-old girl, whose death is unimaginable"
And there is that first clear basis is it not? To ignore the negativity of those who are clearly afraid of the "truth." To focus on the death of Jodi, that Ms Lean is doing what she does, for her, for her family. - That first double meaning?
In every piece of information I have sourced around this case, where Ms Lean is involved directly - I have seen mention of Jodi's family and direct contact with Ms Lean three times. One where she claims that Judith at one point wished to speak with her, that the discussion did not go ahead. To note here, this appeared to be Judith reaching out, not Ms Lean. Secondly where Ms Lean made claim to Judith leaving flowers (sunflowers) some distance from Ms Leans house, and thirdly a visit to Ms Leans door by Jodi's brother. From Ms Leans clear involvement in supporting Mitchell that amounts to several years. To actually writing of this case not once but twice. Ms Lean has never reached out to this girls family. Never attempted to speak with them. Yet Ms Lean has written this book, where she clearly implies at the beginning, that, her actions are just as much for Jodi and her family, as they are for Mitchell and his. - Poppycock.
As the book goes on this Injustice that Ms Lean speaks of, for Jodi and her family changes meaning: Ms Lean clearly knows the meaning (double) as above, the readers however fooled into believing that of the opposite. As it becomes apparently clear that the Justice Ms Lean speaks of, is that which she wishes to serve upon them. From those days of Jigsawman, to that hypothetical line of reasoning around Jodi's brother, to cast dispersion upon their honesty.
I mentioned, when first speaking of this case (again) of Ms Leans personal grievances towards Jodi's family. This was brushed aside by MrSwah, who stated that they saw nothing of this is Ms Leans work? I used the word hatred, it is a personal word, where many (group) who have read this book took exactly that from it. A personal war towards Jodi's family. And met with, in retaliation that word back, from Faith and others. Of my and every other posters criticism of Ms Lean being that of hatred - And we can see right away, that introduction in Ms Leans book works - Any criticism, any negatives towards Ms Lean is to be treated as "fear of the truth" - That shifting sand of onus..
So Ms Lean introduces these notions, continually telling the reader of truth, of doing what she does for them, for the Mitchells and ultimately for Jodi and her family - yet Ms Lean, not once, of these people she writes clearly about, has ever tried to discuss anything with them, from taking that step herself. And as the book goes on, it becomes clear why. - For Jodi's family are very much central to every seed sown, of doubt, to cast dispersion upon them - In Ms Lean version of "truth" (cough) "injustice" (cough), where Mr Bowman's advice could not be any clearer. Uses that psychological approach to draw the readers to self interest of others. If people are afraid of the truth, then they must have something to be afraid of, to hide. And it does not stop at the Jones family, but of the police, every witness all the way through the system - And the only people Ms Lean has spoken to, are the Mitchells, anyone who has a tale or two to tell and some experts to give that sense of professionalism.
And that biggest sense of adding any worth to how a system may at times be held to account - Ms Lean uses Hillsborough, those deaths of 96 people to make the reader sit up and think, she is correct. And we can for now jump to the very last page, where in 2018 Ms Lean claims to be using any proceeds from the book sales to fund a website, called "The long Road Justice" - Again the reader is left with that false sense of worth. Of an author who can pretty much say anything and do nothing?
People speak of legalities, of all being true? She is telling you it is a STORY, her story, an ordinary mums path of "truthseeking" Where only around 5% of what she is actually saying is categorically true. Where in chapter one, Ms lean informs her readers that the police were "monitoring" her phone? - as above, and spot on the money "crazy conspiracy theorist".
This is not Hillsborough, neither an act of terrorism. It is a woman with an axe to grind. Egotistical. For most are not blinded by the trees. Transparent. Those who do not see the woods, they readily accept that book of 'others.' Where they can say "No family is whiter than white" - That contradiction of, in one hand saying, they do not see Ms Leans attack upon Jodi's family, yet in the other state this slight upon them. To further it with, it is only natural to "wonder" about them? Indeed, if one first and foremost takes the stance of, "having no reason to doubt" what Ms Lean says. That clear blind faith in a stranger, of her story, of her plight.
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Innocents Betrayed: - My follow up to "Make of it what you will"
Chapter 1 ......Why Bother?
P 25-26
"To add insult to injury, a former online supporter of Luke suddenly changed tack and became a strident critic of the case and those involved in fighting it. It would be several years before I realised there are people whose favourite pastime is scouring the internet for people to attack - they take some form of warped delight from spewing their hate-filled nonsense everywhere they can."
"I watched in horror as lie after lie spread across the internet like a filthy oil slick. Threats began to emerge - to post my home address and pictures of my house - to publish my daughters' names and pictures - to expose "the truth" about me (that one actually made me laugh - how many people would be interested in two divorces and some parking tickets)? Someone posted, "I saw Sandra in uni the other day...she looked like she was carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders..." Was that true? Had I been so physically close to someone who had expressed real hatred for me and not even known who they were?"
This had followed the introduction of the WAP forum to the book, that first thwart on the tabloids, running stories of deluded supporters and the comments section vile in it's response, where one yet again get's that clear impression of worth that Ms Lean places upon herself. Where she tells her readers that every action, every involvement was at a cost to herself. One of the first of many misconceptions. Where everything in it's nature, at the very core of it, is, completely OTT. As above, that need to exaggerate, to blow something out of proportion. For any who knew of it at the time, the WAP forum was rotten to it's very core. Where posters, families of the victims and witnesses were hounded. Their personal lives scoured, social media searched, looking for anything to cast slight upon them. And we have it again, on another scale where those deluded have grown in numbers. Where those 'lies after lies are spreading across the internet like that filthy oil slick'. Nothing has changed, nothing is new. Ms Lean yet again describes the actions of those promoting that witch hunt against 'others' That shifting sand of onus, and those teachings of the WAP - Ours is the truth, the light and the way. We have all the answers, all the evidence, everything you need to know of the Mitchell case - those were the lies, those are still the lies are they not?
And she tells her readers, that play on words where they are blinded by those trees, they can not see the woods. That, "Everything you read in this book has been taken from the defence papers, information in the media, or was discovered by witnesses who came forward long after the case ended - anything that is missing was also missing from the defence files." And those clearly blinded, translate this into - Ms Lean holds everything on the case, she knows everything there is to know of this case, she is a criminologist who has spent 18yrs of her life devoted to this case. - She tells them she has not done this, she tells them of her break away from it, and they still add those arms and legs on. Why? For they only see what they want to see, led by words that hold double meanings, and they choose the wrong one. Missing is not inclusive, not actually missing.
The reality, that stark fact in all of this is - There is masses of information not inclusive of those defence files. And Ms Lean works consistently around this with innuendo. Her own assumption, her opinion and narrative. Using that clear lack of insight, knowledge to morph this case into something else. And she just keeps on giving and they just keep soaking it all up - For Ms Lean has already made it clear, to those susceptible of mind, that anyone who says anything against what she is preaching, is AFRAID OF THE TRUTH.
Where we get a real sense above, of the exaggeration applied by Ms Lean to it's opposite extremity of Luke Mitchell, of that "half a Mars bar" situ. Where this poster who made comment around the weight of the world, is morphed into someone being physically close, who was expressing "real hatred" towards her. Hatred is personal, and it certainly does not match the words of the person who posted. Hatred is something I picked up on from Ms Lean, against the system, against her perceived Injustice towards the Mitchells. That personal blight she has taken from this and dished out that hatred towards others. Where yet again, those who have been easily led have taken on Ms Leans feelings, added to them and pushed them out, in the "real" vile way she expressed when passing the onus to others?
She tells us it is her personal story, her personal plight against Injustice. Of a system that failed the Mitchells. And for every action she felt was wrongly beset upon them - Ms Lean sets out to do the same, unto others. Top of that list are the police with the Jones family coming a close second. She blames them for Luke Mitchell being in jail. And she is letting anyone who will listen know, and tells them not to be "willfully ignorant" and accept this.
And we go further into that manipulation, of sowing seeds and that clear contradictory account of Jodi's brother visiting Ms Lean. Where she gives the impression of fear, of a lad threatening to kill her her. In daytime, in the middle of a council housing scheme, where her house is surrounded and looked onto by many others. So terrified is Ms Lean, she does not shut her door, she does not tell him to leave her property, she does not instantly tell him she is going to call the police. She keeps him talking. She offers to go fetch those defence papers to show him he is wrong. She tells the readers he believed she was home alone (telepathy). Let us be completely honest here, that whole rotten account stinks of over exaggerated nonsense, does it not? For not one sensible action was carried out to merit what she is claiming happened. We have already seen above of those words "weight of the world on .. shoulders" being morphed into "real hatred." Just how exaggerated is this visit? That Ms Lean then adds the police, of her phone being monitored, of taking herself into her campervan out of fear!? Ok, really? Away from the safety of brick and mortar! to the tin of a van, in a car park alone. To put her phone off, so no instant 999 either? Away from houses and all else - absolute nonsense. But of course Ms Lean can back all this up, who is there to discount it? - She has a witness, a source who was hiding behind the door. A male who just b....red off and left her to it? - I do not condone any threat or actions of violence, towards anyone. Neither do I condone a person using such to blow out of all sense of proportion, to add weight to air. - In those first seeds sown of that conspiracy theory, that everyone was out to get Ms Lean, over the case of a boy murdering his girlfriend. - And they were sown, for one of the most talked about areas of this case is that of "conspiracy!" And of course that pathway onto Jodi's brother set, those seeds of doubt sown.
Because all the way through the book Ms Lean tells them what to think; That manipulative language, that power of persuasion. That blind faith set in that introduction. Those clear warnings and seeds sown. None as manipulative as when we come to that header of "The Agreed Facts."
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Where in chapter one, Ms lean informs her readers that the police were "monitoring" her phone? - as above, and spot on the money "crazy conspiracy theorist".
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Now for the actual book, to run through chapter by chapter. A brief conclusion of opinion, based on that invitation by Ms Lean. "To make of it what you will?"
Parky have you considered using the content of your posts to publish your own book on this quite apparent innocence fraud?
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Clever? Manipulative - definitely.
For me Sandra Lean is most definitely an emotionally manipulative individual
I also consider her behaviour to be a blatant attack on [Name removed]’s family and indeed [Name removed]’s memory
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Now for the actual book, to run through chapter by chapter. A brief conclusion of opinion, based on that invitation by Ms Lean. "To make of it what you will?"
The introduction from page 13:
"Truth seeking is a precarious and often maligned pursuit. To be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko......these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth.That fear is understandable"
Sandra Lean is also most defiantly not a ‘do gooder’
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Innocents Betrayed: - My follow up to "Make of it what you will"
Chapter 1 ......Why Bother?
P 25-26
To add insult to injury, a former online supporter of Luke suddenly changed tack and became a strident critic of the case and those involved in fighting it. It would be several years before I realised there are people whose favourite pastime is scouring the internet for people to attack - they take some form of warped delight from spewing their hate-filled nonsense everywhere they can."
Yes I suspect she does
"I watched in horror as lie after lie spread across the internet like a filthy oil slick.”
She’s unreal isn’t she *&^^&
Threats began to emerge - to post my home address and pictures of my house - to publish my daughters' names and pictures - to expose "the truth" about me (that one actually made me laugh - how many people would be interested in two divorces and some parking tickets)?
I wasn’t aware Sandra Lean has been married twice - I was only aware of her marriage to KL whom I was under the impression is the biological father of both daughters
So was Sandra also married to Simon - the man she referred to as ‘a psychopath’ - ‘Simon’ who she acknowledged at the beginning of her book ‘No Smoke’? ⬇️
Sandra Lean went on to refer to the “Simon” she gave a dedication to in her book ‘No Smoke as a “psychopath.”
.....and to Skooby, Chi, Caz and Simon
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And to finish off from - Why Bother? - The conspiracy:
"I'd known for some time that my phone was being monitored and I didn't want them knowing where I was. Someone had given Jodi's brother my address - they could easily disclose where I was hiding - If they knew! Thankfully this was before mobile phones became fitted with GPS as standard"
So this is around 2010 -12. Around the time of the WAP for Ms Lean claims this male told her to take the website down. Where Ms Lean is inferring, not really inferring, saying that she was being monitored by the police/media? That they had passed out information to Jodi's brother of where she stayed? Firstly Ms Lean in her intro tells us of the mining cottage she stayed in. Recently renovated - this is in 2003. So long gone from wherever that was, which had to be Newtongrange or Easthouse's. The only two areas with mining cottages, close enough to the school her daughters attended. But really, this woman who was running a website in favour of Mitchell was being monitored and information passed over - hogwash.
They stayed in the same area, AW had been the postwoman of this area for many years. The Jones/Walker family stayed in several parts of this area. It would not have been difficult at all to know where Ms Lean stayed. We are talking a small community here, not something in the scale of Dalkeith and so forth.
But as stated, it paves the way, sows those seeds that set the path to follow as the book proceeds. Of the police, of the brother, of paying no heed to anything that may be said, that fear of the truth. One can tie them together. - Into that clear talk of conspiracy.
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Sandra Lean
Threats began to emerge - to post my home address and pictures of my house - to publish my daughters' names and pictures - to expose "the truth" about me
Is there factual evidence of the above ?
With regards Sandra Leans daughters names - her youngest daughter ‘Ellie’ regularly posted on a previous forum and if I recall made everyone aware of who she was ?!
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Innocents Betrayed: - My follow up to "Make of it what you will"
Chapter 1 ......Why Bother?
P 25-26
This had followed the introduction of the WAP forum to the book, that first thwart on the tabloids, running stories of deluded supporters and the comments section vile in it's response, where one yet again get's that clear impression of worth that Ms Lean places upon herself. Where she tells her readers that every action, every involvement was at a cost to herself. One of the first of many misconceptions. Where everything in it's nature, at the very core of it, is, completely OTT. As above, that need to exaggerate, to blow something out of proportion. For any who knew of it at the time, the WAP forum was rotten to it's very core.
As was/is Billy Middleton imo.
And I remain of the firm view the verdict of not proven in the murder of baby Annalise (9 months old) was a miscarriage of justice.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8545.msg428365#msg428365
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Innocents Betrayed: - My follow up to "Make of it what you will"
Chapter 1 ......Why Bother?
P 25-26
This had followed the introduction of the WAP forum to the book, that first thwart on the tabloids, running stories of deluded supporters and the comments section vile in it's response, where one yet again get's that clear impression of worth that Ms Lean places upon herself. Where she tells her readers that every action, every involvement was at a cost to herself.
The ‘eternal victim’ ⬇️ 🙄
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I have a little troll
I’ve had her now for years
She skulks around the net
Peddling lies and hate and fear
It’s really just as well
I’m not the jealous kind
She has so many targets
I can hardly call her “mine.”
Turns lies to truth and truth to lies
She really has no shame
She’s the eternal victim, though
She never is to blame
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"Everything you read in this book has been taken from the defence papers, information in the media, or was discovered by witnesses who came forward long after the case ended - anything that is missing was also missing from the defence files."
‘Witnesses’ like Scott Forbes @)(++(*
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And we go further into that manipulation, of sowing seeds and that clear contradictory account of Jodi's brother visiting Ms Lean. Where she gives the impression of fear, of a lad threatening to kill her her. In daytime, in the middle of a council housing scheme, where her house is surrounded and looked onto by many others. So terrified is Ms Lean, she does not shut her door, she does not tell him to leave her property, she does not instantly tell him she is going to call the police. She keeps him talking. She offers to go fetch those defence papers to show him he is wrong. She tells the readers he believed she was home alone (telepathy). Let us be completely honest here, that whole rotten account stinks of over exaggerated nonsense, does it not? For not one sensible action was carried out to merit what she is claiming happened.
I wouldn’t trust her stories
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That Ms Lean then adds the police, of her phone being monitored, of taking herself into her campervan out of fear!? Ok, really? Away from the safety of brick and mortar! to the tin of a van, in a car park alone.
I wasn’t aware she had a ‘campervan’ around that time?!?
Was she referring to that old post office van she purchased after she allegedly had to get rid of her BMW?
I remember having been in Sandra Leans old post office van (it most certainly wasn’t a camper van!) with Brigitte Butcher (Killer Kevin Nunn’s sister) - Billy Middleton was driving.
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And to finish off from - Why Bother? - The conspiracy:
So this is around 2010 -12. Around the time of the WAP for Ms Lean claims this male told her to take the website down. Where Ms Lean is inferring, not really inferring, saying that she was being monitored by the police/media? That they had passed out information to Jodi's brother of where she stayed? Firstly Ms Lean in her intro tells us of the mining cottage she stayed in. Recently renovated - this is in 2003. So long gone from wherever that was, which had to be Newtongrange or Easthouse's. The only two areas with mining cottages, close enough to the school her daughters attended. But really, this woman who was running a website in favour of Mitchell was being monitored and information passed over - hogwash.
Complete and utterly
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I know some posters have a lot of background information about SL and her exploits with the gentleman from Shetland but it is irrelevant to the case of Luke Mitchell.
Please stay on topic. TY
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I know some posters have a lot of background information about SL and her exploits with the gentleman from Shetland but it is irrelevant to the case of Luke Mitchell.
Please stay on topic. TY
Very true.
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And to finish off from - Why Bother? - The conspiracy:
So this is around 2010 -12. Around the time of the WAP for Ms Lean claims this male told her to take the website down. Where Ms Lean is inferring, not really inferring, saying that she was being monitored by the police/media? That they had passed out information to Jodi's brother of where she stayed? Firstly Ms Lean in her intro tells us of the mining cottage she stayed in. Recently renovated - this is in 2003. So long gone from wherever that was, which had to be Newtongrange or Easthouse's. The only two areas with mining cottages, close enough to the school her daughters attended. But really, this woman who was running a website in favour of Mitchell was being monitored and information passed over - hogwash.
They stayed in the same area, AW had been the postwoman of this area for many years. The Jones/Walker family stayed in several parts of this area. It would not have been difficult at all to know where Ms Lean stayed. We are talking a small community here, not something in the scale of Dalkeith and so forth.
But as stated, it paves the way, sows those seeds that set the path to follow as the book proceeds. Of the police, of the brother, of paying no heed to anything that may be said, that fear of the truth. One can tie them together. - Into that clear talk of conspiracy.
Innocents Betrayed - Why Bother? In response to Ms Leans "Make of it what you will"
To continue from this visit and the conspiracy:
"I answered a knock at the door one lunch-time, expecting the postman. A man I didn't know stood on my doorstep, his jacket zipped up to under his eyes, a baseball cap pulled down low on his forehead."
Stop there, just for a moment and digest this information. The face is covered except for those eyes. Well, one can safely say here, without all the pictures Ms Lean had seen of this male, that she did not recognise him, who would? - How many people have we come across of late with face masks on, for them to pull them down and we laugh at the recognition of someone we know. To skip to:
"After speaking to two officers who had eventually arranged to take a statement and identifying the man from police photographs"
Say what? So she did not recognise him, those eyes were not familiar? But he told her who he was, and she then ID him from photographs that she could not possibly have, for this really grim looking guy, that had his zip right up over his face and cap pulled down, hiding, hiding what exactly - for he says to her!
"Do you know who I am?" he demanded "It was my sister who got killed"
- Jodi only had one brother.
What a lot of nonsense and amateur dramatics: And complete contradiction: A male arrives at her door, he is not hiding who he is, he tells her who he is. Why would this person be disguising themselves? Ah, perhaps the surrounding houses, where lots of eyes could be upon him. Nope, that does not work either, does it? For he is shouting at the top of his voice, she tells us this, that he was "roaring" at her. And the witnesses to this completely disguised male, covering almost every part of his face? It could not have been her "colleague" for she has told us before he was hiding behind the door?
And again, I am not condoning any actions that are threatening to others. But this makes absolutely no sense. The irony to be picking on AB for ID Luke Mitchell yet she picked out this male, when she is telling us she could not see his face!!. That there was absolutely no reason for him to hide himself, for he tells her who he is. - But as stated. The person from uni who said she looked like she had the weight of the world on her shoulders - translated to someone having "real hatred" towards her, someone who had been physically close to her.
And those defence case files, the legality around them? Of disclosure. Was Ms Lean going to break the law here? That she was going to disclose information in these to this male. For let us yet again be realistic here? He could have been anyone, she did not recognise him, she could not recognise him.Yet Ms Lean readily admits to going to break the law here does she not? That this stranger looking like some armed robber, "roaring" at her. She just simply accepted who he was, tried to keep him talking, to calm him?
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You make a lot of assumptions while stating that you don't lie.
I don't enable anyone and no one said you cannot comment. Once again you see and believe what suits you.
You have pretend outrage for something that hasn't even been mentioned but for your comments then reply avoiding all of it just pointing the finger once again.
I have read some stuff on here I don't agee with from many people and from every side of the argument
I have also read stuff that had made me think check what I thought I knew and progress whether I agreed with it or not
You on the other hand throw things into the mix that have been quite ridiculous then you name call and act quite like a child
I read your comment.
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Final Warning!
Any further off topic references to daughters will see this thread locked.
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Final Warning!
Any further off topic references to daughters will see this thread locked.
And so it should be if it happens again. No need for it.
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I know some posters have a lot of background information about SL and her exploits with the gentleman from Shetland but it is irrelevant to the case of Luke Mitchell.
Please stay on topic. TY
He’s no gentleman John !
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Innocents Betrayed - Why Bother? In response to Ms Leans "Make of it what you will"
To continue from this visit and the conspiracy:
"I answered a knock at the door one lunch-time, expecting the postman. A man I didn't know stood on my doorstep, his jacket zipped up to under his eyes, a baseball cap pulled down low on his forehead."
After speaking to two officers who had eventually arranged to take a statement and identifying the man from police photographs"
Strange how she never described the above like this back then *&^^&
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What a lot of nonsense and amateur dramatics:
It is!
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And those defence case files, the legality around them? Of disclosure. Was Ms Lean going to break the law here? That she was going to disclose information in these to this male. For let us yet again be realistic here? He could have been anyone, she did not recognise him, she could not recognise him. He could have been anyone on her doorstep. Yet Ms Lean readily admits to going to break the law here? That this stranger looking like some armed robber, "roaring" at her. She just simply accepted who he was, tried to keep him talking, to calm him?
Didn’t she say she wanted to show him the DNA results? 🙄
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Didn’t she say she wanted to show him the DNA results? 🙄
She did from the case files, which as far as is made out, she could not have known if this was Jodi's brother, and is it it legally allowed to share those in their entirety?
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"I answered a knock at the door one lunch-time, expecting the postman. A man I didn't know stood on my doorstep, his jacket zipped up to under his eyes, a baseball cap pulled down low on his forehead."
What kind of jacket zips up to just under someone’s eyes?
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What kind of jacket zips up to just under someone’s eyes?
I just read that C5 showed the soap opera, Murder in a Small Town, again last night. Why would it be repeated at all, let alone so quickly?
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What a lot of nonsense and amateur dramatics
You have more than enough content for a book on the quite apparent innocence fraud (Including the nonsense and amateur dramatics) of killer Luke Mitchell, his mother & Sandra Lean
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I just read that C5 showed the soap opera, Murder in a Small Town, again last night. Why would it be repeated at all, let alone so quickly?
It would appear Ofcom failed to bother to investigate complaints made to them about the farce
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One positive of IB is the intensity of the spinning now required by Ms Lean on a larger scale. The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is. Common sense and intellect are not evident. The half truths and the explanations are a shambles.
I have mentioned this several times now, it matters not who pays heed to this. For some people there is no attempt at changing horses mid stream. Once you are caught in a web of deceit it is almost impossible to escape. Allowing oneself first and foremost to be become entangled out of sheer foolishness will not change.
Some common sense first: - LM was arrested some 10 months after Jodi's murder. If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further.
DNA - I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap - Ms Leans favourite for spinning with. Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation. Here is the half truth, that there were common markers. To be common they have to sit in the same place. You may have already read Chris's technical terms around this. We can stick with markers here. To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do no match theirs. These others that Ms Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor. There were markers present NOT belonging to them. Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Mitchells included him as the donor. The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of. Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Mitchells. Proven not, almost certain, yes. Did it matter - yes it did, not for Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger.
Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected. This Cath Black claiming that the blood on DD's shoe was Jodi's. Those arms and legs added with some of Mitchells most avid supporters. The type of support needed to ensure Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of JaF's DNA and the database:
Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Ms Leans others, (EX SK) RG included or claimed 'similar' crimes. Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male. Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system. No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding? Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken. Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database - BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman. The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up - BS
Back to Mitchell and that 10 month period in time. Where anyone, with even a smidgeon of common sense, will see that there had to be sufficient evidence that warranted Mitchell being and remaining the prime suspect in this murder. Take you head out of any obtuse conspiracy theory and think. This was 10 months, there was no rush, no drive to get a quick arrest, to nail someone for this murder. This brutal murder of a 14 year old girl. Add in every other male that had been known through this. SK, the duo, the brother, MK and that condom. All known almost instantly. It does NOT matter that the duo and condom mans actual ID was not knowing to the police until after the 1st of July. The duo were known to the police almost instantly. they knew that two youths had been seen near to the locus. They were instantly prime in this investigation. The very reason that appeal was put out. The ID of them knowing to the police within the week. The condom and some real common sense, not Leans "he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it." Of the crow flies measurements and all else. There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with DF. Yes we know, Ms Lean has him down as inadequate too. This nonsense and the database, that profile upon the deceased's shoe. Nothing flagged up and irrelevant. A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?
Now to draw back to this DNA. This person who has written a book where those who are that blinded, do not even pick up on the fact that there is actually no proper referencing to any witness statements. Just that they come from the defence papers. And those forensic reports. Blagging her way through any type of nonsense. Where this further spinning is required. She is being asked direct questions and the answer is "I never thought of that!" As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen. Book written before any expertise given. Blagging and further blagging. This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book. Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest. To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else - to have a chapter in her book called "The agreed Facts!" which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell. Nothing to do with facts as we know it. The most blatant half truth in it all. Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.
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You have more than enough content for a book on the quite apparent innocence fraud (Including the nonsense and amateur dramatics) of killer Luke Mitchell, his mother & Sandra Lean
Almost everything happening had been put on hold, some serious health issues. I may start a new thread once I have more areas in place.
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One positive of IB is the intensity of the spinning now required by Ms Lean on a larger scale. The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is. Common sense and intellect are not evident. The half truths and the explanations are a shambles.
I concur
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Some common sense first: - LM was arrested some 10 months after Jodi's murder. If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further.
DNA - I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap - Ms Leans favourite for spinning with. Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation. Here is the half truth, that there were common markers. To be common they have to sit in the same place. You may have already read Chris's technical terms around this. We can stick with markers here. To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do no match theirs. These others that Ms Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor. There were markers present NOT belonging to them. Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Mitchells included him as the donor. The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of.
8((()*/
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I just read that C5 showed the soap opera, Murder in a Small Town, again last night. Why would it be repeated at all, let alone so quickly?
It's Channel 5 - they repeat cheap documentaries like this all the time.
If you're ever in the mood for cheap documentaries on the likes of Sutcliffe, Shipman, West, Bundy, etc, Channel 5 is the place to go.
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Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Mitchells. Proven not, almost certain, yes. Did it matter - yes it did, not for Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger.
8((()*/
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Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected. This Cath Black claiming that the blood on DD's shoe was Jodi's. Those arms and legs added with some of Mitchells most avid supporters. The type of support needed to ensure Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of JaF's DNA and the database:
Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Ms Leans others, (EX SK) RG included or claimed 'similar' crimes. Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male. Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system. No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding? Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken. Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database - BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman.
*&^^&
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The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up - BS
Of course they weren’t !
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One positive of IB is the intensity of the spinning now required by Ms Lean on a larger scale. The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is. Common sense and intellect are not evident. The half truths and the explanations are a shambles.
I have mentioned this several times now, it matters not who pays heed to this. For some people there is no attempt at changing horses mid stream. Once you are caught in a web of deceit it is almost impossible to escape. Allowing oneself first and foremost to be become entangled out of sheer foolishness will not change.
Some common sense first: - LM was arrested some 10 months after Jodi's murder. If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further.
DNA - I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap - Ms Leans favourite for spinning with. Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation. Here is the half truth, that there were common markers. To be common they have to sit in the same place. You may have already read Chris's technical terms around this. We can stick with markers here. To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do no match theirs. These others that Ms Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor. There were markers present NOT belonging to them. Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Mitchells included him as the donor. The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of. Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Mitchells. Proven not, almost certain, yes. Did it matter - yes it did, not for Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger.
Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected. This Cath Black claiming that the blood on DD's shoe was Jodi's. Those arms and legs added with some of Mitchells most avid supporters. The type of support needed to ensure Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of JaF's DNA and the database:
Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Ms Leans others, (EX SK) RG included or claimed 'similar' crimes. Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male. Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system. No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding? Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken. Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database - BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman. The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up - BS
Back to Mitchell and that 10 month period in time. Where anyone, with even a smidgeon of common sense, will see that there had to be sufficient evidence that warranted Mitchell being and remaining the prime suspect in this murder. Take you head out of any obtuse conspiracy theory and think. This was 10 months, there was no rush, no drive to get a quick arrest, to nail someone for this murder. This brutal murder of a 14 year old girl. Add in every other male that had been known through this. SK, the duo, the brother, MK and that condom. All known almost instantly. It does NOT matter that the duo and condom mans actual ID was not knowing to the police until after the 1st of July. The duo were known to the police almost instantly. they knew that two youths had been seen near to the locus. They were instantly prime in this investigation. The very reason that appeal was put out. The ID of them knowing to the police within the week. The condom and some real common sense, not Leans "he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it." Of the crow flies measurements and all else. There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with DF. Yes we know, Ms Lean has him down as inadequate too. This nonsense and the database, that profile upon the deceased's shoe. Nothing flagged up and irrelevant. A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?
Now to draw back to this DNA. This person who has written a book where those who are that blinded, do not even pick up on the fact that there is actually no proper referencing to any witness statements. Just that they come from the defence papers. And those forensic reports. Blagging her way through any type of nonsense. Where this further spinning is required. She is being asked direct questions and the answer is "I never thought of that!" As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen. Book written before any expertise given. Blagging and further blagging. This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book. Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest. To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else - to have a chapter in her book called "The agreed Facts!" which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell. Nothing to do with facts as we know it. The most blatant half truth in it all. Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.
10 months to arrest yes but that isn’t the whole story, is it? L&B had already submitted the evidence they had at least once to the PF but the PF didn’t think the evidence was of sufficient quality with which to lay charges. Now just think about that for a moment. We are being lead to believe that L&B didn’t target Luke in those first hours, days and weeks after the murder but diligently proceeded to collect evidence which, in the end, pointed to Luke. Yet even after those months and months of beavering away collecting evidence against their main suspect the case against Luke was so threadbare that not even the PF would give them permission to lay charges.
Of course by that time, for L&B police, there was no going back. No admitting their mistake and changing direction. The forensic evidence lost due to the shambolic treatment of the crime scene was lost forever. The witness evidence, such has it was, had been changed and manipulated to such an extent that it only pointed to Luke. The sum of that evidence though, a witness who had come to the police with a sighting that was an hour later than it should have been, had not identified the parka the suspect was supposed to have been wearing and would not identify Luke in court. A further witness who was torn to shreds in the witness box when her evidence, and honesty, was all but destroyed and a TOD that rested solely on a ‘strangling’ sound heard by a cyclist riding by the murder scene, a cyclist who, in his first statement, did not mention any such sound and when asked by DF why he changed his recollection replied that he felt that if he hadn’t he was going to be fitted up for the murder.
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It's Channel 5 - they repeat cheap documentaries like this all the time.
If you're ever in the mood for cheap documentaries on the likes of Sutcliffe, Shipman, West, Bundy, etc, Channel 5 is the place to go.
Wasn’t the BBC the first channel to air a documentary on the case?
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The condom and some real common sense, not Leans "he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it." Of the crow flies measurements and all else. There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with DF. Yes we know, Ms Lean has him down as inadequate too.
🙄
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A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?
8((()*/
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She is being asked direct questions and the answer is "I never thought of that!" As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen. Book written before any expertise given. Blagging and further blagging. This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book. Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest. To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else - to have a chapter in her book called "The agreed Facts!" which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell. Nothing to do with facts as we know it. The most blatant half truth in it all. Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.
*&^^&
And I’m guessing there’s no mention of his ‘threats of suicide’ either ?
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Almost everything happening had been put on hold, some serious health issues. I may start a new thread once I have more areas in place.
Sorry to hear about your health issues, hopefully your road to recovery is a speedy one.
However if you are thinking of writing a book I’d definitely be interested in a copy. Sticking your head above the parapet, as Dr Lean has done, will certainly enhance your credibility. It’s all to easy to preach to the converted but be prepared for a more critical audience.
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Sorry to hear about your health issues, hopefully your road to recovery is a speedy one.
However if you are thinking of writing a book I’d definitely be interested in a copy. Sticking your head above the parapet, as Dr Lean has done, will certainly enhance your credibility. It’s all to easy to preach to the converted but be prepared for a more critical audience.
I, too, would buy your book, Parky. Get well soon.
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I would definitely buy the book too. Hope your health improves soon.
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Wasn’t the BBC the first channel to air a documentary on the case?
Aye, but that was a different documentary - that would have been the Frontline Scotland one?
We're talking about the shoddy effort that was aired earlier this year.
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Almost everything happening had been put on hold, some serious health issues
Sorry to hear this Parky! Hope you are getting on top of the health issues!
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I may start a new thread once I have more areas in place.
And maybe consider putting your research into book format for publication to correct Sandra Leans bs?
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Get well soon Parky.
I’d buy your book too!
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And maybe consider putting your research into book format for publication to correct Sandra Leans bs?
I don't think SL is a BS--er at all. However, I would love to read a book that tells the "other side".
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She did from the case files, which as far as is made out, she could not have known if this was Jodi's brother, and is it it legally allowed to share those in their entirety?
Be well.
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One positive of IB is the intensity of the spinning now required by Ms Lean on a larger scale. The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is. Common sense and intellect are not evident. The half truths and the explanations are a shambles.
I have mentioned this several times now, it matters not who pays heed to this. For some people there is no attempt at changing horses mid stream. Once you are caught in a web of deceit it is almost impossible to escape. Allowing oneself first and foremost to be become entangled out of sheer foolishness will not change.
Some common sense first: - LM was arrested some 10 months after Jodi's murder. If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further.
DNA - I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap - Ms Leans favourite for spinning with. Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation. Here is the half truth, that there were common markers. To be common they have to sit in the same place. You may have already read Chris's technical terms around this. We can stick with markers here. To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do no match theirs. These others that Ms Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor. There were markers present NOT belonging to them. Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Mitchells included him as the donor. The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of. Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Mitchells. Proven not, almost certain, yes. Did it matter - yes it did, not for Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger.
Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected. This Cath Black claiming that the blood on DD's shoe was Jodi's. Those arms and legs added with some of Mitchells most avid supporters. The type of support needed to ensure Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of JaF's DNA and the database:
Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Ms Leans others, (EX SK) RG included or claimed 'similar' crimes. Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male. Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system. No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding? Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken. Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database - BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman. The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up - BS
AR
i'm just wondering if they caught up with the person seen following her that day? im sure i read somewhere that the police done a scene of it a week later and the guy was seen high 5in n huggin a group of boys in the area ! was he ever questioned ?
Lianna Mackie
Not at the time no, it was believed for 11 years that he was never found. However 10 weeks after the murder someone came forward claiming to know his identity. This was never released to the defence. And nothing seems to have been done with the information either.
He wasn’t shown in the reconstruction though so not sure what you mean by the police doing a scene of it.
AR
ahh ok, sorry when they were doing the reconstruction the same person was seen meeting his friends at the time, and reported to the police, just wondering if they followed it up? as he quite possibly could of seen or heard something
Lianna Mackie
AR no, it wasn’t during the reconstruction he was seen again, it was weeks later. She told the police exactly who she believed the person to be but it doesn’t seem to have been followed up. And the defence weren’t given the information.
AR
i need to purchase sandra's books i think 😂 everywhere i read stuff they have it wrong, do u have any idea why all the data ie evidence is no longer available anywhere, ive read things on people connected in the past but it all comes up as content not found now, it was a few years ago i read stuff but have they removed it all ?
Lianna Mackie
AR nothing is publicly available in Scotland. You can find appeal papers online. But prosecution and defence papers aren’t released, neither are court transcripts etc.
If there are links no longer working it was either false and removed, or an expired link. Sandra’s book is based off the defence papers, and contains as much as can legally be released so definitely worth buying x
JMR
Lianna Mackie the book will totally blow your mind, I’ve read it twice, there’s so much to try to take in !!!
Julie Henretty
This was a case of Trial by Media thanks to the (mis)information that the police were drip feeding to the press. The entire investigation was a catalogue of failures on the part of the police.
SJD
Sandra Lean was the man thst followed jodi no id,d by someone when he was at the funeral or is thst more bs!!?...
Sandra Lean
SJD He was identified by someone who saw him, in a group of other, similar looking males, on some tv footage - the witness picked him out of that group and was sure (at the time) he was the man s/he'd previously seen walking closely behind Jodi on the evening of June 30th at 5.05pm
SJD
Sandra Lean thats thst cleared up then
Ta
SJD
Why is the fact that there was an unknown males sperm on jodis clothes aswell as sk so overlooked n no mentioned on these pages!!??...
SJD
Surely more needs done to track down this unknown male who's seamen was on her clothes!!??...
Sandra Lean
SJD or males? The problem is, there's nothing that can be done without the samples being released for re-testing. They didn't do it at the time on the basis the test result were either only partial profiles, which (rightly) can't be used to identify any individual (didn't stop them trying to do it with Luke though) - or they came back as "no reportable result." But technology has moved on - there's every possibility those samples could be identified now. Refusing to release them on the grounds that it would be a "fishing expedition" because Luke was convicted would be totally unacceptable, in my opinion. It would also give a very public perception of trying to hide the truth!!!
SJD
Sandra Lean yes but there's also an UNKNOWN MALE ie something that can be retested n maybe point to a potential person of interest etc etc , there's obv someone still out there connected to the crime in one way or another so retesting is a must, dont know why so many don't mention it,unknown dna means therrs someone out there not been brought to book fr whatever role they had in it its quite simple retesting could totally flip this case about n im sure the new lawyers etc r already on this if there any gd at what thry do ,can they manage it though thats another qn but I guarantee there's new findings ,its a certainty its 2021 not 2003 or that!!?
SJD
Sandra Lean think you need to highlight the fact there's a males sperm on her clothes thats two males , ppl just ignoring this fact or what ,dont see anyone talking about it !!??...
Sandra Lean
SJD Lots of people have been talking about unidentified male DNA on the clothing etc. The reason I said "males" (rather than "a male") is because the unidentified partial profiles could indicate more than one male - it's dangerous to jump to the conclusion that all (or even some) of those partials originated from a single male, even though that is exactly what the prosecution suggested back in 2004/5.
SJD
Sandra Lean wasn't there a full sample that was checked against other ppl of interest though n came bk as unknown !!? Or was it a partial ....pretty sure it was a full sample ,but u can clarify!!??...
Lianna Mackie
SJD the full samples were matched.
SJD
Lianna Mackie not if there's no match though there can be full dna profiles ie sperm that don't match with anyone surely!!?...unknown isn't partial or unreportable its unknown!!??...
Sandra Lean
SJD I think I understand the questions here - please bear with me, this stuff gets mega complicated.
There was one full DNA profile on Jodi's clothing- that was matched to the DNA profile of SK.
Other partial DNA profiles were also found on the clothing, Jodi's body, etc - none of those was a full profile, some of them came back "unknown male", some of them, "unreportable result". Let me make that doubly clear - the only full profile was SK's. However, the prosecution muddied the waters by claiming that rainwater had "diffused" forensic material (semen, in particular) to other parts of the t shirt and underwear. That "diffusion" could only have come from a singular source - i.e. the only known full profile on the t-shirt! (If the semen had been diffused from anywhere else, on a freshly washed t-shirt, I'd love to see the explanation of how that happened - where did the original semen, from which the diffusion then took place, come from, if not the only full and identified sample on the t-shirt?)
Still with me?
The other full DNA profile eventually found was from semen from the condom man, JaF. If the partials on Jodi's clothing, etc, came from that profile, we're back to the same problem. The other samples were partials - no way of saying for sure whether they came from that profile and were "diffused" by rainwater. But it would be odd, I think, for a deposit to have survived a wash cycle to leave enough material to then be transferred by rainwater, but a fresh sample (for example, deposited by condom man) not to have left an identifiable sample - the latter would surely have been a far stronger source?
This is incredibly complicated stuff, it's Friday night and I don't think my brain can take much more tonight!!! Get back to you all over the weekend
SJD
Sandra Lean right well thst clears that up too then , no guaranteed theres someone else out there then but it is possible with the amount of seamen on her clothes, or it couldv been just from one person ,ie transference from the stain to other parts due to rain, got you,get u now,,, cheers !!;) ✌
Back to Mitchell and that 10 month period in time. Where anyone, with even a smidgeon of common sense, will see that there had to be sufficient evidence that warranted Mitchell being and remaining the prime suspect in this murder. Take you head out of any obtuse conspiracy theory and think. This was 10 months, there was no rush, no drive to get a quick arrest, to nail someone for this murder. This brutal murder of a 14 year old girl. Add in every other male that had been known through this. SK, the duo, the brother, MK and that condom. All known almost instantly. It does NOT matter that the duo and condom mans actual ID was not knowing to the police until after the 1st of July. The duo were known to the police almost instantly. they knew that two youths had been seen near to the locus. They were instantly prime in this investigation. The very reason that appeal was put out. The ID of them knowing to the police within the week. The condom and some real common sense, not Leans "he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it." Of the crow flies measurements and all else. There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with DF. Yes we know, Ms Lean has him down as inadequate too. This nonsense and the database, that profile upon the deceased's shoe. Nothing flagged up and irrelevant. A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?
Now to draw back to this DNA. This person who has written a book where those who are that blinded, do not even pick up on the fact that there is actually no proper referencing to any witness statements. Just that they come from the defence papers. And those forensic reports. Blagging her way through any type of nonsense. Where this further spinning is required. She is being asked direct questions and the answer is "I never thought of that!" As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen. Book written before any expertise given. Blagging and further blagging. This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book. Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest. To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else - to have a chapter in her book called "The agreed Facts!" which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell. Nothing to do with facts as we know it. The most blatant half truth in it all. Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.
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She did from the case files, which as far as is made out, she could not have known if this was Jodi's brother, and is it it legally allowed to share those in their entirety?
The ‘case files’ will include various documents; not all of which would be witness statements
I suspect Sandra Lean will have also quoted from other material such as ‘informants’ information eg: a person who phoned the police to tell them they thought they saw so un so here or there or whatever and who won’t necessarily have made a formal statement
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The ‘case files’ will include various documents; not all of which would be witness statements
I suspect Sandra Lean will have also quoted from other material such as ‘informants’ information eg: a person who phoned the police to tell them they thought they saw so un so here or there or whatever and who won’t necessarily have made a formal statement
Yup! ALL these people coming forward now! You're adults now, why go to Sandra Lean? Go to the police. Different police force, 20 years on. Go to the police.
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Yup! ALL these people coming forward now! You're adults now, why go to Sandra Lean? Go to the police. Different police force, 20 years on. Go to the police.
Just how interested do you think the police would be in new information when they believe they have their man?
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Just how interested do you think the police would be in new information when they believe they have their man?
I don't know. I suppose the only way to know is to try. Have you tried?
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I don't know. I suppose the only way to know is to try. Have you tried?
Why would I try?
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Why would I try?
Surely anyone who believes a miscarriage of justice has taken place, should try? Isn't that the point of this campaign? What do you mean, why should you try? Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?
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Surely anyone who believes a miscarriage of justice has taken place, should try? Isn't that the point of this campaign? What do you mean, why should you try? Isn't that what you're supposed to be doing?
You seem to be confusing yourself. Why would I go to the police with new information when I have none?
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You seem to be confusing yourself. Why would I go to the police with new information when I have none?
Nope! You have to stop this assumption that I am doing something to myself. It's manipulative and weird. Too many assumptions on your part, ktoo personal and completely off topic.
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You seem to be confusing yourself. Why would I go to the police with new information when I have none?
If you have no proof of anything, what is the campaign based on?
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If you have no proof of anything, what is the campaign based on?
Can you actually follow a thread because you seem to be having some difficulty following this one.
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Can you actually follow a thread because you seem to be having some difficulty following this one.
You, yourself, have been no better at keeping on track with, Innocents Betrayed, than I have. The only thing you have done better than me is dodging genuine questions. Why do you know more about AB statements than me? And if you know because of genuine research then I want to know who put AB,'s statement in the public domain because, according to SL,that's a crime.
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My question to faithlilly/ms.lean
What was the thought prossess using the morbid image of a whilted & dying sunflower on the cover of I.B?
A very beautiful and noble flower that symbolises her life.
Don't you think that's distasteful, even an insult to her memory?
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My question to faithlilly/ms.lean
What was the thought prossess using the morbid image of a whilted & dying sunflower on the cover of I.B?
A very beautiful and noble flower that symbolises her life.
Don't you think that's distasteful, even an insult to her memory?
If I may? There was no thought for Jodi. They had no right.
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Please can we stop the arguing, and the personal remarks, or else I'll have to put my "mod's hat" on again!!
Thanks.
As far as I'm aware, what we know about the case stems from what we have happened to read. There are also some posters on various forums who know the families concerned/live locally. They might know more----on the other hand, they might not. Anyone who was in court for the trial would know more, of course, but I have no idea whether or not this applies to anyone who posts on here.
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My question to faithlilly/ms.lean
What was the thought prossess using the morbid image of a whilted & dying sunflower on the cover of I.B?
A very beautiful and noble flower that symbolises her life.
Don't you think that's distasteful, even an insult to her memory?
As far as I’m aware Dr Lean doesn’t post here and I have no idea why she chose to use that image.
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As far as I’m aware Dr Lean doesn’t post here and I have no idea why she chose to use that image.
No, I'm fairly certain she does not post here.
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No, I'm fairly certain she does not post here.
That's not what was asked.
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That's not what was asked.
It’s pertinent to the question. How can Dr Lean answer a question in a forum where she doesn’t post? What is the point of asking the question of her?
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It’s pertinent to the question. How can Dr Lean answer a question in a forum where she doesn’t post? What is the point of asking the question of her?
My reply was to mrswah. As you said, Sandra Lean isn't here, to my knowledge.
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It’s pertinent to the question. How can Dr Lean answer a question in a forum where she doesn’t post? What is the point of asking the question of her?
I didn't ask a question of Sandra Lean. However, going back, the last question to be asked was not just of Sandra Lean but you too.
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I didn't ask a question of Sandra Lean. However, going back, the last question to be asked was not just of Sandra Lean but you too.
Asked and answered.
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Asked and answered.
My question to faithlilly/ms.lean
What was the thought prossess using the morbid image of a whilted & dying sunflower on the cover of I.B?
A very beautiful and noble flower that symbolises her life.
Don't you think that's distasteful, even an insult to her memory?
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Okay then, i”ll take your word for it that you are not Sandra Lean.
I apologise from my direct assumption.
I will just presume that the rather controversial front cover on the book was an insensitive display of artist licence taken by said author and publisher to promote the damn thing.
It’s just a small blessing that Jodi’s grandmother Mrs.Walker god rest her soul is no longer with us in this world to witness the further pain it has caused her family although i firmly believe her strength,dignity and courage live on in her family and the many other people she helped, who i personally witnessed her great support & kindness being her neighbour for many years.
I hear Jodi was exactly like her in so many good ways.
Such a crying shame.....
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Okay then, i”ll take your word for it that you are not Sandra Lean.
I apologise from my direct assumption.
I will just presume that the rather controversial front cover on the book was an insensitive display of artist licence taken by said author and publisher to promote the damn thing.
It’s just a small blessing that Jodi’s grandmother Mrs.Walker god rest her soul is no longer with us in this world to witness the further pain it has caused her family although i firmly believe her strength,dignity and courage live on in her family and the many other people she helped, who i personally witnessed her great support & kindness being her neighbour for many years.
I hear Jodi was exactly like her in so many good ways.
Such a crying shame.....
I didn't take your question to mean that Faithlilly is Sandra Lean because I don't think so anyway. I took your question to mean, either Faithlilly or SL. It's still a good question to either. The full question, I mean. I'd be interested in seeing it being answered fully.
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I didn't take your question to mean that Faithlilly is Sandra Lean because I don't think so anyway. I took your question to mean, either Faithlilly or SL. It's still a good question to either. The full question, I mean. I'd be interested in seeing it being answered fully.
Could you please explain why asking me about a matter I had no input in was ‘a good question’ ?
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My question to faithlilly/ms.lean
What was the thought prossess using the morbid image of a whilted & dying sunflower on the cover of I.B?
A very beautiful and noble flower that symbolises her life.
Don't you think that's distasteful, even an insult to her memory?
I was sad to hear about Alice Walker's death. I heard and read enough good about her to cancel out any attempts at negative.
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What lessons, if any, did Sandra Lean learn following the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2012/2013?
15th November 2010
Sandra Lean
‘I am finished with MoJ work. I intended to bow out in October, but was talked around by many people at the UAI day. That was a mistake. I will finish Luke's case, and that's it. I have nothing left to give.’
1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’
Conviction overturned, no re-trial
‘We are obviously delighted that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised what we have been telling them all along – Simon was always innocent of this crime. There will be many issues to be addressed in the coming months, including questions regarding why evidence pointing to other suspects was never properly investigated, and why it has taken so long to get to this stage. Bearing in mind that the real perpetrators may yet be brought to trial, and they deserve a fair trial, which is something not afforded to Simon, I cannot go into too much detail about the other evidence at this time. However, should the authorities fail to re-open the investigation into Mrs Albert’s death and pursue the real murderers, then we will not hesitate to make public everything we have uncovered. One way or another, the whole truth will come out, we will make sure of it.
Conviction quashed, Re-trial ordered.
‘Although we are pleased that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised that the conviction of Simon was flawed, we are disappointed in the decision to stage a re-trial. Although I am unable to say too much at this stage, the CPS knew about several other pieces of evidence pointing away from Simon and towards another perpetrator right from the beginning of this case.
It is shameful that it has taken this long for them to admit this conviction was unsafe, and an outrage that an innocent man must remain in prison awaiting another trial, when the original case against him has collapsed. Simon has already lost more than eight years of his life to this disgrace, and now must wait for the system to set up yet another ordeal in his fight to prove his innocence.
However, we are confident that the re-trial will exonerate Simon completely, and he will finally walk out of prison the way he walked in – innocent.
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “What today’s decision means is that the British Justice system would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in jails for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit they got it wrong. Given that the DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case, this re-trial appears to be nothing more than a face-saving exercise from a prosecution machine that cannot accept its own failings. Perhaps the best that can be said about it is that it offers the opportunity for Simon to finally clear his name.”
Conviction Upheld
‘This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on.”
Excerpts from witness statement of an ex senior manager of killer Simon Halls dated 29th November 2002
‘…. in a meeting in which HALL stated that he “was under suspicion for murder” and that this is why the police had examined his vehicle at 24/7’s premises the previous evening
I was surprised by this revelation but maintained my composure
Simon informed us that it was an ‘old lady’ that had been murdered in December, and that she had been a friend of his parents. He said that he knew her, that she had visited his house with her dog. I assume HALL meant his parents house.
He also said words to the effect that he was ‘concerned’ that the police had examined his car because of what I understood was that the murdered lady, together with her dog, had both been in the vehicle.
He was concerned that there might be a ‘trace’ in his vehicle which might link him with the offence. I recall him speaking about some sort of ‘carpet fibres’ which struck me as remarkable, as I would not have expected this sort of comment to be made.
‘From my position being responsible for the management of Simon, I did not feel it was my place to make any assumptions or judgements in respect of what he had told ‘The Meeting’, in confidence.
Simon was offered support from colleagues and I, and we suggested that he might wish to take some time off as he had had a traumatic time. He declined this offer, preferring to remain at work and continue as usual. He was informed that support was available and that I would as a matter of course, speak with both the companions Human Resources department and the police.
In respect of Simons other colleagues and workmates, it was agreed that should anyone ask about the police interest in his vehicle, that it would be appropriate to say that the vehicle had been previously stolen and that that is why the police were interested in it, and subsequently examined it.
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Excerpts from witness statement of an ex senior manager of killer Simon Halls dated 29th November 2002
‘…. in a meeting in which HALL stated that he “was under suspicion for murder” and that this is why the police had examined his vehicle at 24/7’s premises the previous evening
I was surprised by this revelation but maintained my composure
Simon informed us that it was an ‘old lady’ that had been murdered in December, and that she had been a friend of his parents. He said that he knew her, that she had visited his house with her dog. I assume HALL meant his parents house.
He also said words to the effect that he was ‘concerned’ that the police had examined his car because of what I understood was that the murdered lady, together with her dog, had both been in the vehicle.
He was concerned that there might be a ‘trace’ in his vehicle which might link him with the offence. I recall him speaking about some sort of ‘carpet fibres’ which struck me as remarkable, as I would not have expected this sort of comment to be made.
‘From my position being responsible for the management of Simon, I did not feel it was my place to make any assumptions or judgements in respect of what he had told ‘The Meeting’, in confidence.
Simon was offered support from colleagues and I, and we suggested that he might wish to take some time off as he had had a traumatic time. He declined this offer, preferring to remain at work and continue as usual. He was informed that support was available and that I would as a matter of course, speak with both the companions Human Resources department and the police.
In respect of Simons other colleagues and workmates, it was agreed that should anyone ask about the police interest in his vehicle, that it would be appropriate to say that the vehicle had been previously stolen and that that is why the police were interested in it, and subsequently examined it.
The above are just a few paragraphs taken from ONE persons ONE witness statement (Witnesses often make more than one statement).
The above brief excerpts give an idea of how lies are told, by whom and of the reasonings for the lies
‘In respect of Simons other colleagues and workmates, it was agreed that should anyone ask about the police interest in his vehicle, that it would be appropriate to say that the vehicle had been previously stolen and that that is why the police were interested in it, and subsequently examined it.
What the witness doesn’t tell police and may not have known at the time they made their police witness statement is that Simon Hall had purchased a car from one of his work colleagues who this witness - a senior manager - was also ‘responsible for the management of’
‘From my position being responsible for the management of Simon, I did not feel it was my place to make any assumptions or judgements in respect of what he had told ‘The Meeting’, in confidence.
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What lessons, if any, did Sandra Lean learn following the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2012/2013?
15th November 2010
Sandra Lean
‘I am finished with MoJ work. I intended to bow out in October, but was talked around by many people at the UAI day. That was a mistake. I will finish Luke's case, and that's it. I have nothing left to give.’
1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’
Conviction overturned, no re-trial
‘We are obviously delighted that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised what we have been telling them all along – Simon was always innocent of this crime. There will be many issues to be addressed in the coming months, including questions regarding why evidence pointing to other suspects was never properly investigated, and why it has taken so long to get to this stage. Bearing in mind that the real perpetrators may yet be brought to trial, and they deserve a fair trial, which is something not afforded to Simon, I cannot go into too much detail about the other evidence at this time. However, should the authorities fail to re-open the investigation into Mrs Albert’s death and pursue the real murderers, then we will not hesitate to make public everything we have uncovered. One way or another, the whole truth will come out, we will make sure of it.
Conviction quashed, Re-trial ordered.
‘Although we are pleased that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised that the conviction of Simon was flawed, we are disappointed in the decision to stage a re-trial. Although I am unable to say too much at this stage, the CPS knew about several other pieces of evidence pointing away from Simon and towards another perpetrator right from the beginning of this case.
It is shameful that it has taken this long for them to admit this conviction was unsafe, and an outrage that an innocent man must remain in prison awaiting another trial, when the original case against him has collapsed. Simon has already lost more than eight years of his life to this disgrace, and now must wait for the system to set up yet another ordeal in his fight to prove his innocence.
However, we are confident that the re-trial will exonerate Simon completely, and he will finally walk out of prison the way he walked in – innocent.
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “What today’s decision means is that the British Justice system would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in jails for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit they got it wrong. Given that the DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case, this re-trial appears to be nothing more than a face-saving exercise from a prosecution machine that cannot accept its own failings. Perhaps the best that can be said about it is that it offers the opportunity for Simon to finally clear his name.”
Conviction Upheld
‘This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on.”
Except from Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
‘…. Mrs Albert was almost definitely killed sometime prior to 3am, when Simon did have an alibi, the fibres found at the scene could have implicated hundreds, and perhaps thousands of other people, and, importantly the Crown had failed to establish a time of death, so how could the judge feasibly claim that Simon’s defence was that he was not at the scene of the crime “when it was committed.”
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Excerpts from witness statement of an ex senior manager of killer Simon Halls dated 29th November 2002
‘…. in a meeting in which HALL stated that he “was under suspicion for murder” and that this is why the police had examined his vehicle at 24/7’s premises the previous evening
I was surprised by this revelation but maintained my composure
Simon informed us that it was an ‘old lady’ that had been murdered in December, and that she had been a friend of his parents. He said that he knew her, that she had visited his house with her dog. I assume HALL meant his parents house..
There is no mention in Sandra Leans book ‘No Smoke’ of the above
Nor is there any mention by Sandra Lean in her book about the lies being told by this ONE witness, for example, about why Simon Halls car was searched by police on the company’s premises
This witnesses evidence played a key part during killer Simon Halls murder trial because she said he had told her Joan Albert ‘had visited his house with her dog’ and ‘the murdered lady, together with her dog, had both been in the vehicle’
‘Simon informed us that it was an ‘old lady’ that had been murdered in December, and that she had been a friend of his parents. He said that he knew her, that she had visited his house with her dog. I assume HALL meant his parents house.
He also said words to the effect that he was ‘concerned’ that the police had examined his car because of what I understood was that the murdered lady, together with her dog, had both been in the vehicle.
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Excerpts from witness statement of an ex senior manager of killer Simon Halls dated 29th November 2002
‘From my position being responsible for the management of Simon, I did not feel it was my place to make any assumptions or judgements in respect of what he had told ‘The Meeting’, in confidence.
Simon was offered support from colleagues and I, and we suggested that he might wish to take some time off as he had had a traumatic time. He declined this offer, preferring to remain at work and continue as usual. He was informed that support was available and that I would as a matter of course, speak with both the companions Human Resources department and the police.
In respect of Simons other colleagues and workmates, it was agreed that should anyone ask about the police interest in his vehicle, that it would be appropriate to say that the vehicle had been previously stolen and that that is why the police were interested in it, and subsequently examined it.
How did the work colleague (Who had sold his car to Simon Hall in 2002) feel about this senior manager knowingly or unknowing throwing him and his reputation under the bus by lying - presumably to protect Simon Hall’s reputation and any gossip at work
And what impact did this lie ie: ‘it would be appropriate to say that the vehicle had been previously stolen’ have on people’s /work colleagues cognitive biases at the time?
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What lessons, if any, did Sandra Lean learn following the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2012/2013?
15th November 2010
Sandra Lean
‘I am finished with MoJ work. I intended to bow out in October, but was talked around by many people at the UAI day. That was a mistake. I will finish Luke's case, and that's it. I have nothing left to give.’
1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’
Conviction overturned, no re-trial
‘We are obviously delighted that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised what we have been telling them all along – Simon was always innocent of this crime. There will be many issues to be addressed in the coming months, including questions regarding why evidence pointing to other suspects was never properly investigated, and why it has taken so long to get to this stage. Bearing in mind that the real perpetrators may yet be brought to trial, and they deserve a fair trial, which is something not afforded to Simon, I cannot go into too much detail about the other evidence at this time. However, should the authorities fail to re-open the investigation into Mrs Albert’s death and pursue the real murderers, then we will not hesitate to make public everything we have uncovered. One way or another, the whole truth will come out, we will make sure of it.
Conviction quashed, Re-trial ordered.
‘Although we are pleased that the Court of Appeal has finally recognised that the conviction of Simon was flawed, we are disappointed in the decision to stage a re-trial. Although I am unable to say too much at this stage, the CPS knew about several other pieces of evidence pointing away from Simon and towards another perpetrator right from the beginning of this case.
It is shameful that it has taken this long for them to admit this conviction was unsafe, and an outrage that an innocent man must remain in prison awaiting another trial, when the original case against him has collapsed. Simon has already lost more than eight years of his life to this disgrace, and now must wait for the system to set up yet another ordeal in his fight to prove his innocence.
However, we are confident that the re-trial will exonerate Simon completely, and he will finally walk out of prison the way he walked in – innocent.
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “What today’s decision means is that the British Justice system would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in jails for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit they got it wrong. Given that the DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case, this re-trial appears to be nothing more than a face-saving exercise from a prosecution machine that cannot accept its own failings. Perhaps the best that can be said about it is that it offers the opportunity for Simon to finally clear his name.”
Conviction Upheld
‘This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on.”
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What manipulation tactics did Sandra Lean learn ?
Further excerpts from another witness statement re killer Simon Halls murder trial (Excerpts are written in chronological order as they appear in the 23rd October 2002 witness statement)
‘On the evening of Friday 1st February 2002 I went to the old rep public house….’
‘Whilst I was in there I met a man who I know as Simon HALL, he was working in the pub as part of the bar staff. They had a promotional evening for a particular drink called a Sidemick and Simon was going around the pub trying to get people to buy it. He came over and spoke to me and during the evening we got chatting. My friends and I thought he was good looking. Before I left that night Simon asked me if he could have my telephone number and if he could text me on it and I said yes and gave him my number.
‘I remember that on Tuesday 5th March 2003, Simon and I went to Toys R Us in Ipswich. I remember the date because it was the day before the open day in the university. Before going to Toys R Us he took me to his mums home in Capel St Mary. That was the one and only occasion that I spoke about the murder at Capel St Mary, he was chatting to his mum who was saying that the police wanted to speak to Simon and were phoning to see if he was there. Mrs HALL said it was about the lady who lived in Capel and that she couldn’t understand as she used to be really friendly with her.
‘Simon said he was driving around quite late that night and that was why the police wanted to talk to him, also that he had gone over on a few occasions to do odd jobs. his mum also said they had gone over and been friendly with her and chatted
‘Our relationship didn’t last long because he was seeing someone else at the same time he was seeing me, a girl called Phoebe and we had a few fillings outs over it. I saw them together in the Old Rep one night and I asked him about it and he admitted he was seeing her. This was probably at the end of February beginning of March.
‘He always seemed really cheerful and I never saw him behave aggressively.
I think that he was living with Phoebe and a girl called Kelsey somewhere in Ipswich when I knew him. He told me he didn’t want to live there anymore and that he wanted to move back in with his mum and dad but he didn’t know whether they’d have him.
Sandra Lean again omits this girlfriend (Another victim of killer Simon Halls) and the context of her evidence from her book ‘No Smoke’
And she also chooses to omits to make any comparisons between Halls behaviour and killer Luke Mitchell’s regarding their numerous girlfriends at/or around the time they chose to murder
‘Our relationship didn’t last long because he was seeing someone else at the same time he was seeing me’
Nor does she mention the quite apparent gaslighting of either killer
‘I think that he was living with Phoebe and a girl called Kelsey somewhere in Ipswich when I knew him. He told me he didn’t want to live there anymore and that he wanted to move back in with his mum and dad but he didn’t know whether they’d have him.
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What manipulation tactics did Sandra Lean learn ?
and how does Sandra Lean exploit peoples perceptions and cognitive biases
Killer Luke Mitchell’s also attempted/attempts to use these exploitative tactics in his quite apparent innocence fraud
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Sandra Lean again omits this girlfriend (Another victim of killer Simon Halls) and the context of her evidence from her book ‘No Smoke’
What does Sandra Lean say in her second book about what Corinne Mitchell told police about her son Luke’s numerous girlfriends ?
And what do Corinne Mitchell’s witness statements/police interviews reveal regarding these factors?
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and how does Sandra Lean exploit peoples perceptions and cognitive biases
Killer Luke Mitchell’s also attempted/attempts to use these exploitative tactics in his quite apparent innocence fraud
Paul Martyn Dalling
The Hardest Lesson to teach is educating people not to allow ignorance be a part of their lives , because being ignorant strengthens the Courrupted which ultimately affects as all wether it be Directly or indirectly.
Sandra Lean
Paul Martyn Dalling I prefer educating people to be aware that they don't yet know what they don't know - being accused of ignorance can often feel like an insult. The suggestion that you don't yet know what you don't know is intriguing, encourages curiosity and further enquiry - who knows what might be found on that route????
Paul Martyn Dalling
Sandra Lean I understand but the word accusing people of ignorance is a bit strong its not ment to offend.
Most people don't want to go into Miscarriages of Justice in depth but a simple acknowledgement would go a long way. You only have to look on social media when somebody puts a post up of a barmaid carrying several pints of lager on a tray and slips on a wet floor, and that post gets 20million views & 80.000 coments. And then you have a Human being incarcerated for 22 years and innocent lost in system of Courruption with no empathy from their fellow human being is it because they weren't carrying 7 pints on a tray and slips on a wet floor or is it they accept the story the local Authorities have told them how that person got to be in prison and serving 22 years.
Element of ignorance would you say or just insult Respectfully.
Sandra Lean
I agree that there is widespread ignorance of the problem - in my thesis, I explored the concept of "confident ignorance" - where people treat their beliefs about what can happen in the justice system as factual knowledge. Your point is that many people are not interested - I agree, but I believe the only way to get them interested is to arouse their curiosity. Beginning from a perspective that informs people of their ignorance isn't, in my opinion, the most effective way to engage them.
Aka the Dunning–Kruger effect
‘…a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their own ability, and that people with high ability at a task underestimate their own ability.
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
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Paul Martyn Dalling
The Hardest Lesson to teach is educating people not to allow ignorance be a part of their lives , because being ignorant strengthens the Courrupted which ultimately affects as all wether it be Directly or indirectly.
Sandra Lean
Paul Martyn Dalling I prefer educating people to be aware that they don't yet know what they don't know - being accused of ignorance can often feel like an insult. The suggestion that you don't yet know what you don't know is intriguing, encourages curiosity and further enquiry - who knows what might be found on that route????
Paul Martyn Dalling
Sandra Lean I understand but the word accusing people of ignorance is a bit strong its not ment to offend.
Most people don't want to go into Miscarriages of Justice in depth but a simple acknowledgement would go a long way. You only have to look on social media when somebody puts a post up of a barmaid carrying several pints of lager on a tray and slips on a wet floor, and that post gets 20million views & 80.000 coments. And then you have a Human being incarcerated for 22 years and innocent lost in system of Courruption with no empathy from their fellow human being is it because they weren't carrying 7 pints on a tray and slips on a wet floor or is it they accept the story the local Authorities have told them how that person got to be in prison and serving 22 years.
Element of ignorance would you say or just insult Respectfully.
Sandra Lean
I agree that there is widespread ignorance of the problem - in my thesis, I explored the concept of "confident ignorance" - where people treat their beliefs about what can happen in the justice system as factual knowledge. Your point is that many people are not interested - I agree, but I believe the only way to get them interested is to arouse their curiosity. Beginning from a perspective that informs people of their ignorance isn't, in my opinion, the most effective way to engage them.
Aka the Dunning–Kruger effect
‘…a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their own ability, and that people with high ability at a task underestimate their own ability.
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Nicholas, Sandra Lean's books wouldn't get over my door. I'm not interested in books that MAY be based on true events.
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Paul Martyn Dalling
The Hardest Lesson to teach is educating people not to allow ignorance be a part of their lives , because being ignorant strengthens the Courrupted which ultimately affects as all wether it be Directly or indirectly.
Sandra Lean
Paul Martyn Dalling I prefer educating people to be aware that they don't yet know what they don't know - being accused of ignorance can often feel like an insult. The suggestion that you don't yet know what you don't know is intriguing, encourages curiosity and further enquiry - who knows what might be found on that route????
Paul Martyn Dalling
Sandra Lean I understand but the word accusing people of ignorance is a bit strong its not ment to offend.
Most people don't want to go into Miscarriages of Justice in depth but a simple acknowledgement would go a long way. You only have to look on social media when somebody puts a post up of a barmaid carrying several pints of lager on a tray and slips on a wet floor, and that post gets 20million views & 80.000 coments. And then you have a Human being incarcerated for 22 years and innocent lost in system of Courruption with no empathy from their fellow human being is it because they weren't carrying 7 pints on a tray and slips on a wet floor or is it they accept the story the local Authorities have told them how that person got to be in prison and serving 22 years.
Element of ignorance would you say or just insult Respectfully.
Sandra Lean
I agree that there is widespread ignorance of the problem - in my thesis, I explored the concept of "confident ignorance" - where people treat their beliefs about what can happen in the justice system as factual knowledge. Your point is that many people are not interested - I agree, but I believe the only way to get them interested is to arouse their curiosity. Beginning from a perspective that informs people of their ignorance isn't, in my opinion, the most effective way to engage them.
Aka the Dunning–Kruger effect
‘…a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their own ability, and that people with high ability at a task underestimate their own ability.
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[1] It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
"A Little Knowledge Can Lead to Overconfidence Another contributing factor is that sometimes a tiny bit of knowledge on a subject can lead people to mistakenly believe that they know all there is to know about it. As the old saying goes, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing."( Dunning–Kruger effect)
How much was a little knowledge in 2003 a dangerous thing? to someone without doubt that was confidently ignorant? In IB one makes claim that in the days into weeks of the murder she just knew that the investigation was wrong! That their focus was only upon Mitchell and the police feeding both the media and public opinion. At a time when she knew less of the investigation than the little she still knows? Not being privy to it then and not now. That this woman who mistakenly believed, that she knew just about all that she needed to know by the end of Sept 2003. And it only got worse did it not? At this point the Mitchells were just about to celebrate "the end of a difficult time?" - yet the author claims this is when she began to look into the world of the CJS, on the basis of the Mitchell case when there was no case. - In short, one had already declared Mitchell innocent, by the point of that claimed note through her workplace door. Such was the noise she made CM reached out? So prior to any meet, any arrest, on very little information, Ms Lean had the lad innocent and unfairly treated - this was to be the backbone of her study from around his arrest in 2004.
And it continued, on the basis of declaring Mitchell innocent, of being confidently ignorant, there then appeared another 6 cases where she did the same. 7 cases in total that only a limited amount could be studied upon along with studying the system, (CJS) and by 2007 a book written - and we know with being confidently ignorant the author was wrong on at least three cases. Putting ones stamp on innocence first, then applying what she perceived must be failure in the system? And without doubt, those who mistakenly believe they know just about everything they need to know, do not back down - they are correct. As she points out in IB, that irrespective of guilt the system still failed the public? For in her studies, her conclusions there was in most cases only room for a little doubt, some none, and some nowhere near the "beyond a reasonable doubt" benchmark. -That some should never have went to trial and certainly should not have merited a guilty verdict. - When the clear reality is, that in a period of around 3-yrs, no one could have studied 7/8 cases along with everything on the CJS, and had anywhere near enough knowledge to be making judgement on anything! Not to forget this is inclusive of writing of the book. - Compare this to the 4 yrs of study for one's PHD and we have a general idea of how ludicrous this really was. clearly running before one could even crawl syndrome. Definitely that "a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing" - for it all kicked off with the little one knew of the murder of Jodi Jones. To declare the system at fault when knowing absolutely nothing! So innocence on a hunch and the condemnation of the CJS upon personal feelings! Then searching and looking for anything to back up those hunches?!
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and how does Sandra Lean exploit peoples perceptions and cognitive biases
Killer Luke Mitchell’s also attempted/attempts to use these exploitative tactics in his quite apparent innocence fraud
We have IB and the continuation of "confident ignorance" - Where those who have been manipulated believe they know everything on the case and become preachers themselves of it. The clear manipulation used in the book upon cognitive bias - She clearly tells them that "everything" publicly known and otherwise is within the pages of the book. For the first time in 15-years she has put it all together. Making the book her self bibliography. On the basis it is claimed to be her fight against the "mighty giant that is the Criminal Justice System" Using the murder and her intimate relationship with the Mitchells as a basis to arouse interest, in her opinions of the flaws in the system. Hitting ones subconscious time and again. Implanting those seeds psychologically. - word hypnosis. And the irony of not wanting to claim people to be ignorant of the flaws but teach them. However, if they do not abide by the teachings they are condemned as being "willfully ignorant"
The reality of course - that these 378 pages of large text do not even scratch the surface of the case against Mitchell. More so when the majority of the book is made up of irrelevance. Sheer deflective tactics with the multiple smokescreens. Basing any relevance upon Mitchells word where the author uses him as the basis of "facts" - hardly surprising therefore that those who put blind faith in the author - come away with those cries of innocence, of a fit up, of the case not being worthy to see the light of a courtroom. They fail to see the simplicity that it is 'all too easy'
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How much was a little knowledge in 2003 a dangerous thing? to someone without doubt that was confidently ignorant? In IB one makes claim that in the days into weeks of the murder she just knew that the investigation was wrong! That their focus was only upon Mitchell and the police feeding both the media and public opinion. At a time when she knew less of the investigation than the little she still knows? Not being privy to it then and not now. That this woman who mistakenly believed, that she knew just about all that she needed to know by the end of Sept 2003. And it only got worse did it not? At this point the Mitchells were just about to celebrate "the end of a difficult time?" - yet the author claims this is when she began to look into the world of the CJS, on the basis of the Mitchell case when there was no case. - In short, one had already declared Mitchell innocent, by the point of that claimed note through her workplace door. Such was the noise she made CM reached out? So prior to any meet, any arrest, on very little information, Ms Lean had the lad innocent and unfairly treated - this was to be the backbone of her study from around his arrest in 2004.
And it continued, on the basis of declaring Mitchell innocent, of being confidently ignorant, there then appeared another 6 cases where she did the same. 7 cases in total that only a limited amount could be studied upon along with studying the system, (CJS) and by 2007 a book written - and we know with being confidently ignorant the author was wrong on at least three cases. Putting ones stamp on innocence first, then applying what she perceived must be failure in the system? And without doubt, those who mistakenly believe they know just about everything they need to know, do not back down - they are correct. As she points out in IB, that irrespective of guilt the system still failed the public? For in her studies, her conclusions there was in most cases only room for a little doubt, some none, and some nowhere near the "beyond a reasonable doubt" benchmark. -That some should never have went to trial and certainly should not have merited a guilty verdict. - When the clear reality is, that in a period of around 3-yrs, no one could have studied 7/8 cases along with everything on the CJS, and had anywhere near enough knowledge to be making judgement on anything! Not to forget this is inclusive of writing of the book. - Compare this to the 4 yrs of study for one's PHD and we have a general idea of how ludicrous this really was. clearly running before one could even crawl syndrome. Definitely that "a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing" - for it all kicked off with the little one knew of the murder of Jodi Jones. To declare the system at fault when knowing absolutely nothing! So innocence on a hunch and the condemnation of the CJS upon personal feelings! Then searching and looking for anything to back up those hunches?!
Another ‘whining’ murderer Sandra Lean chooses to promote the innocence fraud of ⬇️
Scots mum tells of relief as murdering thug who dragged her to court 52 TIMES runs out of legal options - Lorna Greenan Sept 2015
‘A WHINING murderer who forced his victim’s mum to go to court 52 times to watch him try to cheat justice has finally run out of legal options.
Vicious knifeman Sean Toal told police he enjoyed stabbing Paul Gerard “PG” McGilvray to death.
But after he was jailed for at least 15 years, he and his lawyers spent a decade trying every method they could think of to challenge his conviction.
Now, after 52 hearings and a cost to the public of tens of thousands of pounds, Toal at last has nowhere else to go after an appeal to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission was unsuccessful.
And Paul Gerard’s mother Roslyn said: “If it was up to me, he’d be made to restart his sentence from the day his last appeal was rejected.
“It’s taken 10 years, but finally Toal can take this no further. He’s guilty as sin.
“He still insists he’s the innocent victim but there was only one victim in all this, and that was Paul Gerard.”
Burly six-footer Toal launched a savage, unprovoked attack on Paul Gerard, 20, who was slightly built and only 5ft 8in, when the victim arrived at a house party in Coatbridge to collect his girlfriend.
After stabbing Paul Gerard, Toal chased him and knifed him again, in the head, as he lay dying. He bragged to detectives that he enjoyed it.
Witnesses saw Toal, 20, at the scene and Paul Gerard’s blood was on his T-shirt. Jurors took little more than an hour to convict him by majority.
But after he was sentenced in 2005, Toal began a marathon, convoluted process of appeals.
He complained about the eyewitness evidence against him, about the way the trial judge directed the jury and about being interviewed by police without a lawyer.
The case dragged on through a record 35 procedural hearings, partly because Toal’s legal team kept changing their arguments.
Three appeal judges said in 2012 that the system had given them far too much “latitude”.
The fact Toal has finally exhausted his appeals will do little to ease Roslyn’s grief. She told our sister paper The Hamilton Advertiser: “He only has five years left in jail. We have a lifetime sentence.
“He will still be able to get on with life, maybe marry and have children. Paul Gerard never had that chance.
“I have to live my life knowing my son had to run for his life that night, and died in the street.”
Roslyn is now asking the courts to finally release Paul Gerard’s clothes and phone, which have been held by the Crown throughout the marathon appeal process. The Crown Office said they would try to help.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mum-tells-relief-murdering-6414735
Sean Toal
@SeanToal12
During my appeal my legal team found damming forensic evidence to show I did not commit the crime. The sun, a red top paper, called it ‘bladestunner’. The court rejected this using a legal concept called ‘finality and certainty’. Does anyone even know what this is? Justice Face with monocle
6:33 PM · Aug 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Replying to
@SeanToal12
and
@supportforallUK
I'll vouch for every word of this tweet. In this case, the murder weapon, with prints of the killer and blood of the deceased was dismissed by a pathologist:Wrongly! Pro Pounder, highlighted mistake then agreed with original pathologist, snd still appeal court dismissed it Pouting face
7:23 PM · Aug 28, 2021·Twitter for Android
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Replying to
@SeanToal12
They can investigate 30 year old cold cases, but reject solid evidence of innocence in less than 10 years, by claiming it's "taken too long" to bring before the court. It's a disgrace.
9:26 AM · Sep 2, 2021·Twitter Web App
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I don’t know about anyone else but I feel this thread should be split into 2 parts, one regards to Luke and Jodi and the information in the book that relates to this case and another for Sandra and any comments people may have on her or any other aspects of her other book No Smoke. These threads are meant to be about luke and Jodi, I understand Sandra is a big part of that and have no problem when the comments are about them but so many times the threads are flooded with long messages regards Sandra, Simon Hall and other people Sandra has any links to. Everyone entitled to their opinion and sharing information, I have no issues with people posting anything but im just here to find out information on Luke and Jodi and find it difficult sometime because the conversation turns to Sandra and points that are not relevant to Luke, if we have a dedicated thread for anything related to Sandra, her other cases, her other book No Smoke or any comments on her that is nothing to do with Luke and Jodi I think it would help clear the threads up a bit, we can always refer to posts on the ‘Sandra thread’ where and when you think the info might help and people can check it if they want.
Sorry, It might just be me, but im just tired of reading through pages of stuff on Sandra when Im just looking for info on Luke and Jodi.
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The reality of course
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383172.html#msg383172
"When toxic types can’t control the way you see yourself, they start to control how others see you; they play the martyr while you’re labeled the toxic one. A smear campaign is a preemptive strike to sabotage your reputation and slander your name so that you won’t have a support network to fall back on lest you decide to detach and cut ties with this toxic person. They may even stalk and harass you or the people you know as a way to supposedly “expose” the truth about you; this exposure acts as a way to hide their own abusive behavior while projecting it onto you.
Bringing in the opinion, perspective or suggested threat of another person into the dynamic of an interaction is known as “triangulation.” Often used to validate the toxic person’s abuse while invalidating the victim’s reactions to abuse, triangulation can also work to manufacture love triangles that leave you feeling unhinged and insecure.
Malignant narcissists love to triangulate their significant other with strangers, co-workers, ex-partners, friends and even family members in order to evoke jealousy and uncertainty in you. They also use the opinions of others to validate their point of view.
This is a diversionary tactic meant to pull your attention away from their abusive behavior and into a false image of them as a desirable, sought after person. It also leaves you questioning yourself – if Mary did agree with Tom, doesn’t that mean that you must be wrong? The truth is, narcissists love to “report back” falsehoods about others say about you, when in fact, they are the ones smearing you.
Toxic individuals lure you into a false sense of security simply to have a platform to showcase their cruelty. Baiting you into a mindless, chaotic argument can escalate into a showdown rather quickly with someone who doesn’t know the meaning of respect. A simple disagreement may bait you into responding politely initially, until it becomes clear that the person has a malicious motive of tearing you down.
By “baiting” you with a seemingly innocuous comment disguised as a rational one, they can then begin to play with you. Remember: narcissistic abusers have learned about your insecurities, the unsettling catchphrases that interrupt your confidence, and the disturbing topics that reenact your wounds – and they use this knowledge maliciously to provoke you. After you’ve fallen for it, hook line and sinker, they’ll stand back and innocently ask whether you’re “okay” and talk about how they didn’t “mean” to agitate you. This faux innocence works to catch you off guard and make you believe that they truly didn’t intend to hurt you, until it happens so often you can’t deny the reality of their malice any longer.
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I don’t know about anyone else but I feel this thread should be split into 2 parts, one regards to Luke and Jodi and the information in the book that relates to this case and another for Sandra and any comments people may have on her or any other aspects of her other book No Smoke. These threads are meant to be about luke and Jodi, I understand Sandra is a big part of that and have no problem when the comments are about them but so many times the threads are flooded with long messages regards Sandra, Simon Hall and other people Sandra has any links to. Everyone entitled to their opinion and sharing information, I have no issues with people posting anything but im just here to find out information on Luke and Jodi and find it difficult sometime because the conversation turns to Sandra and points that are not relevant to Luke, if we have a dedicated thread for anything related to Sandra, her other cases, her other book No Smoke or any comments on her that is nothing to do with Luke and Jodi I think it would help clear the threads up a bit, we can always refer to posts on the ‘Sandra thread’ where and when you think the info might help and people can check it if they want.
Sorry, It might just be me, but im just tired of reading through pages of stuff on Sandra when Im just looking for info on Luke and Jodi.
Does Sandra Leans book ‘innocents betrayed’ (IB) include copies in full of the actual police witness statements she relies on to weave her - and the Mitchell’s - false narrative and what do you really know about the witnesses whom she relies on for the commentary of her book? Have any of them omitted anything that could change the narrative for example? Have they lied in parts of their statements but told the truth elsewhere?
Is Sandra Leans interpretation of the contents of witness statements wrong? And would you know if it were?
What has Sandra Lean omitted from IB - do you know?
Only 378 page!?
The reality of course - that these 378 pages of large text do not even scratch the surface of the case against Mitchell. More so when the majority of the book is made up of irrelevance. Sheer deflective tactics with the multiple smokescreens.
How many pages do you think the entire case files would take up?
I’m not fussed whether or not threads are split in 2
But if I were publicly supporting a sadistic child murderer like Luke Mitchell I would want to know as much as possible about the integrity - or lack of - of the authors/actors promoting the cause
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I don’t know about anyone else but I feel this thread should be split into 2 parts, one regards to Luke and Jodi and the information in the book that relates to this case and another for Sandra and any comments people may have on her or any other aspects of her other book No Smoke. These threads are meant to be about luke and Jodi, I understand Sandra is a big part of that and have no problem when the comments are about them but so many times the threads are flooded with long messages regards Sandra, Simon Hall and other people Sandra has any links to. Everyone entitled to their opinion and sharing information, I have no issues with people posting anything but im just here to find out information on Luke and Jodi and find it difficult sometime because the conversation turns to Sandra and points that are not relevant to Luke, if we have a dedicated thread for anything related to Sandra, her other cases, her other book No Smoke or any comments on her that is nothing to do with Luke and Jodi I think it would help clear the threads up a bit, we can always refer to posts on the ‘Sandra thread’ where and when you think the info might help and people can check it if they want.
Sorry, It might just be me, but im just tired of reading through pages of stuff on Sandra when Im just looking for info on Luke and Jodi.
I agree with you. This thread is supposed to be about Sandra Lean's book, "Innocents Betrayed."
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Please keep on topic . This thread is NOT about Sandra Lean , or her involvement in other cases. It is about her book "Innocents Betrayed."
Thank you.
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I don’t know about anyone else but I feel this thread should be split into 2 parts, one regards to Luke and Jodi and the information in the book that relates to this case and another for Sandra and any comments people may have on her or any other aspects of her other book No Smoke. These threads are meant to be about luke and Jodi, I understand Sandra is a big part of that and have no problem when the comments are about them but so many times the threads are flooded with long messages regards Sandra, Simon Hall and other people Sandra has any links to. Everyone entitled to their opinion and sharing information, I have no issues with people posting anything but im just here to find out information on Luke and Jodi and find it difficult sometime because the conversation turns to Sandra and points that are not relevant to Luke, if we have a dedicated thread for anything related to Sandra, her other cases, her other book No Smoke or any comments on her that is nothing to do with Luke and Jodi I think it would help clear the threads up a bit, we can always refer to posts on the ‘Sandra thread’ where and when you think the info might help and people can check it if they want.
Sorry, It might just be me, but im just tired of reading through pages of stuff on Sandra when Im just looking for info on Luke and Jodi.
I agree with you. This thread is supposed to be about Sandra Lean's book, "Innocents Betrayed."
So how many witness statements did Sandra Lean refer to in her 2nd book
And what statements did she omit - do you know?
And do you know how many of the omitted witness statements can turn her false narrative on its head?
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Please keep on topic . This thread is NOT about Sandra Lean , or her involvement in other cases. It is about her book "Innocents Betrayed."
Thank you.
You might want to edit the thread title
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Please keep on topic . This thread is NOT about Sandra Lean , or her involvement in other cases. It is about her book "Innocents Betrayed."
Thank you.
IB includes areas of "No Smoke" - the very reason why it is mentioned. It reflects upon why IB was written? That this "Ordinary" woman decided to take on the "Mighty Giant that is the Criminal Justice System" It speaks of the time of the murder, onto looking into other case and onto "No Smoke" - And as I stated it took around 3-years just to study not only 7 cases, the CJS and write a book! Of there being confident ignorance in not having near enough knowledge or expertise! Where when we compare this with the 4-years to study for a PHD where certain standards need to be met - where we can see that the first falls short of standards, of enough study and knowledge?!
And Nicholas highlights two of the cases. So it is very much Ms Leans own inclusion of the cases she study, her fight against the CJS that took her into IB!
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IB includes areas of "No Smoke" - the very reason why it is mentioned. It reflects upon why IB was written? That this "Ordinary" woman decided to take on the "Mighty Giant that is the Criminal Justice System" It speaks of the time of the murder, onto looking into other case and onto "No Smoke" - And as I stated it took around 3-years just to study not only 7 cases, the CJS and write a book! Of there being confident ignorance in not having near enough knowledge or expertise! Where when we compare this with the 4-years to study for a PHD where certain standards need to be met - where we can see that the first falls short of standards, of enough study and knowledge?!
And Nicholas highlights two of the cases. So it is very much Ms Leans own inclusion of the cases she study, her fight against the CJS that took her into IB!
Maybe my previous posts will be re-instated ?
I omitted the following excerpt from Stephanie Bon’s witness statement excerpts,
‘We began to visit his parents quite regularly, taking over flowers and chocolates, and checking up on his mum. Simon was quite emotional person (sic) and seemed upset by the incident, as I would expect him to be.
How many sadistic killers had Stephanie Bon met prior to Simon Hall ?
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How many sadistic killers had Stephanie Bon met prior to Simon Hall ?
And how many sadistic 14 year old male killers had Sandra Lean met prior to the writing of her books?
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So how many witness statements did Sandra Lean refer to in her 2nd book
And what statements did she omit - do you know?
And do you know how many of the omitted witness statements can turn her false narrative on its head?
Same applies to the excerpts she’s apparently published from police witness statements
What’s missing?
What did she choose to omit and why did she choose to omit it?
I posted a few excerpts from 3 individuals witness statements from killer Simon Halls case papers
These excerpts alone change the entire narrative of what is in the public domain - regardless of what was and wasn’t heard during the trial - this ‘evidence’ was available at the time of the trial but wasn’t used
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You might want to edit the thread title
You could start a new thread !!
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You could start a new thread !!
Or you could re instate the posts in a new thread
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IB includes areas of "No Smoke" - the very reason why it is mentioned. It reflects upon why IB was written? That this "Ordinary" woman decided to take on the "Mighty Giant that is the Criminal Justice System" It speaks of the time of the murder, onto looking into other case and onto "No Smoke" - And as I stated it took around 3-years just to study not only 7 cases, the CJS and write a book! Of there being confident ignorance in not having near enough knowledge or expertise! Where when we compare this with the 4-years to study for a PHD where certain standards need to be met - where we can see that the first falls short of standards, of enough study and knowledge?!
And Nicholas highlights two of the cases. So it is very much Ms Leans own inclusion of the cases she study, her fight against the CJS that took her into IB!
Sandra Lean made claim somewhere her writing style had changed over the years since writing ‘No Smoke’ and the two (Books) couldn’t be compared - at least her writing style couldn’t - or so she said
But her varying manipulation tactics can be compared therefore so can her writing style or the way she chooses to manipulate her language
https://thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2017/11/50-shades-of-gaslighting-the-disturbing-signs-an-abuser-is-twisting-your-reality/
Her gaslighting increased as did her smear tactics and she appeared more confident when telling blatant bare faced lies
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Or you could re instate the posts in a new thread
or re-instate them here
Then we can discuss cognitive distortions and the impact on the varying biases - all of which will be relevant to -“innocents betrayed” by Sandra Lean’
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
I think it makes an excellent case for Luke's possible innocence, which is why I would like to read a book by someone who can make a compelling case for his guilt. I am aware that I'm only reading one side, and am therefore, not in a position to take a side-------but it seems that there are a lot of questions to be asked about this case.
378 pages won’t give anywhere near enough of the details to show the case - for or against - in a true light
With access to the same case papers Sandra Lean had/has (?) I suspect there could be varying books written
Killer Luke Mitchell’s guilt was proven in a court of law
And I suspect if the jury had heard all of the evidence regarding his varying behaviours in his varying relationships - especially from his numerous girlfriends at the time it would have been a unanimous verdict
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I’m not fussed whether or not threads are split in 2
But if I were publicly supporting a sadistic child murderer like Luke Mitchell I would want to know as much as possible about the integrity - or lack of - of the authors/actors promoting the cause
I totally agree which is why I think it’s own thread is required where all this info can be put rather than on all the others threads. Then people can read and discuss sandra and her other cases and integrity there.
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Does Sandra Leans book ‘innocents betrayed’ (IB) include copies in full of the actual police witness statements she relies on to weave her - and the Mitchell’s - false narrative and what do you really know about the witnesses whom she relies on for the commentary of her book? Have any of them omitted anything that could change the narrative for example? Have they lied in parts of their statements but told the truth elsewhere?
Is Sandra Leans interpretation of the contents of witness statements wrong? And would you know if it were?
What has Sandra Lean omitted from IB - do you know?
Only 378 page!?
How many pages do you think the entire case files would take up?
I’m not fussed whether or not threads are split in 2
I have no idea, which is why I was looking forward to seeing the information that Luke wanted released and that Sandra was meant to have handed over on 30/6. I assume either Sandra was correct and this information is not allowed to be made public or for some reason luke or his lawyers have changed their mind in releasing it. Unfortunately no updates or info since Lisa Peden made the statement on behalf of Luke.
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I have no idea, which is why I was looking forward to seeing the information that Luke wanted released and that Sandra was meant to have handed over on 30/6. I assume either Sandra was correct and this information is not allowed to be made public or for some reason luke or his lawyers have changed their mind in releasing it. Unfortunately no updates or info since Lisa Peden made the statement on behalf of Luke.
Are you referring to the police witness statements ?
If so, Sandra Lean did say in a video with Sharon Sunshine she would publish parts of witness statements here and there with a view to it all (An un-redacted and entire witness statement) being available - via various mediums
Unless what she said was merely bravado ?
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Are you referring to the police witness statements ?
If so, Sandra Lean did say in a video with Sharon Sunshine she would publish parts of witness statements here and there with a view to it all (An un-redacted and entire witness statement) being available - via various mediums
Unless what she said was merely bravado ?
I’m referring to all the info that was handed over. I also would like to see the full unedited evidence, I think we all would. I’m not sure Sandra has this information now but if she does and can release it even in part (unedited) I hope she does. But won’t hold my breath!
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378 pages won’t give anywhere near enough of the details to show the case - for or against - in a true light
With access to the same case papers Sandra Lean had/has (?) I suspect there could be varying books written
Killer Luke Mitchell’s guilt was proven in a court of law
And I suspect if the jury had heard all of the evidence regarding his varying behaviours in his varying relationships - especially from his numerous girlfriends at the time it would have been a unanimous verdict
1st 8 pages, publishing rights and maps. 4 index. 5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7 background 13 Agreed facts 8 How the stories changed. 6 AW and moped boys. 12 Moped boys. 5 JF and [Name removed]
11 more JF. 9 the mystery deepens SK. 4 stocky man. 1 Parka 10 AB 11 F&W 18 Phone calls. 14 phones. 18 CSM. 11 Evidence (1) 5 Transfer theories. 1 Evidence (2) 3 Luke and forensics. 2 Blood wall scene. 2 Jodi and forensics. 3 toxicology. 10 Parka and log burner. 6 Dalia Manson and sex motivated attack. 12 Mistaken ID. 22 Luke and police. 20 Interrogation (1) 16 Interrogation (2)18 SM and CM. 6 CM. 18 Media. 9 Lie detectors. 5 No similar attacks. 15 SCCRC. 4 Some final thoughts.
Above gives you an idea in sequence of chapters and amount on each. 18 pages on phone calls, mostly irrelevant waffle. The interrogation pages are where most of the verbatim come from, most of that 5% - Selective cherry picking which fills up the pages!
MK and JaF are mixed in at different points.
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5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7
‘Why bother’ ?
Does she have a chapter called ‘why bother’?
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1st 8 pages, publishing rights and maps. 4 index. 5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7 background 13 Agreed facts 8 How the stories changed. 6 AW and moped boys. 12 Moped boys. 5 JF and [Name removed]
11 more JF. 9 the mystery deepens SK. 4 stocky man. 1 Parka 10 AB 11 F&W 18 Phone calls. 14 phones. 18 CSM. 11 Evidence (1) 5 Transfer theories. 1 Evidence (2) 3 Luke and forensics. 2 Blood wall scene. 2 Jodi and forensics. 3 toxicology. 10 Parka and log burner. 6 Dalia Manson and sex motivated attack. 12 Mistaken ID. 22 Luke and police. 20 Interrogation (1) 16 Interrogation (2)18 SM and CM. 6 CM. 18 Media. 9 Lie detectors. 5 No similar attacks. 15 SCCRC. 4 Some final thoughts.
Above gives you an idea in sequence of chapters and amount on each. 18 pages on phone calls, mostly irrelevant waffle. The interrogation pages are where most of the verbatim come from, most of that 5% - Selective cherry picking which fills up the pages!
MK and JaF are mixed in at different points.
I don’t trust Sandra Lean and her ‘selective cherry picking’ - which is what she does
And it’s what all these Innocence fraud promoters do
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1st 8 pages, publishing rights and maps. 4 index. 5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7 background 13 Agreed facts 8 How the stories changed. 6 AW and moped boys. 12 Moped boys. 5 JF and [Name removed]
11 more JF. 9 the mystery deepens SK. 4 stocky man. 1 Parka 10 AB 11 F&W 18 Phone calls. 14 phones. 18 CSM. 11 Evidence (1) 5 Transfer theories. 1 Evidence (2) 3 Luke and forensics. 2 Blood wall scene. 2 Jodi and forensics. 3 toxicology. 10 Parka and log burner. 6 Dalia Manson and sex motivated attack. 12 Mistaken ID. 22 Luke and police. 20 Interrogation (1) 16 Interrogation (2)18 SM and CM. 6 CM. 18 Media. 9 Lie detectors. 5 No similar attacks. 15 SCCRC. 4 Some final thoughts.
Above gives you an idea in sequence of chapters and amount on each. 18 pages on phone calls, mostly irrelevant waffle. The interrogation pages are where most of the verbatim come from, most of that 5% - Selective cherry picking which fills up the pages!
MK and JaF are mixed in at different points.
And ‘selective cherry picking’ sentences or a few words from witness statements can change the whole narrative
Does Sandra Lean say in her book how many witness statements were originally taken and whether or not she uses material from statements in her book that didn’t form part of the trial but were available to both sides at the time?
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And ‘selective cherry picking’ sentences or a few words from witness statements can change the whole narrative
Does Sandra Lean say in her book how many witness statements were originally taken and whether or not she uses material from statements in her book that didn’t form part of the trial but were available to both sides at the time?
Everything with SL is mixed in and cherry picked like [Name removed] threatening to beat one of the moped boys up. If that happened, when did it happen? If it happened before poor Jodi's murder then couldn't the threat from [Name removed] have been drug related only? Despite the pomp about the Jones family being "wayward," wasn't Jodi grounded when her mother found out about her smoking hash? Didn't one of the moped boys supply hash to LM? I think so because SL has told us so. I'm very interested to know if the threat of a beating came before or after Jodi's murder. I suspect it was before and had nothing at all to do with her murder as far as her brother's threats were concerned. IMO.
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Ronnie Mothersole I've had parents of 14 year olds asking me to sign books for their teenagers who are very interested in the case. I never give the book to under 18s, but if parents are OK with them reading it, then I'm happy to go with their guidance. After all, Luke and Jodi were only 14.
I know of one group of 14 year olds who wanted to do a class project based on the book! I guess, if in doubt, ask the parents!!!
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And I suspect if the jury had heard all of the evidence regarding his varying behaviours in his varying relationships - especially from his numerous girlfriends at the time it would have been a unanimous verdict
I posted a few excerpts from one of Stephanie Bon’s police witness statements which showed her and killer Simon Hall were in a relationship at the time of Joan Alberts murder.
It would be helpful to see Corinne Mitchell’s police statements/interviews regarding her son Luke to see if she’s omitted knowing about the the two Kim’s.
Why doesn’t Sandra Lean include a chapter on Luke’s relationships (At/around the time of [Name removed]’s murder) in her 2nd book?
Before publishing IB she was referring to herself as a ‘criminologist’
Then on 16th July 2014
“A CRIMINOLOGIST who spearheaded efforts to overturn Luke Mitchell’s conviction for the murder of his girlfriend Jodi Jones has withdrawn from the campaign to free him.
Dr Sandra Lean, who highlighted his case in her book No Smoke! The Shocking Truth About British Justice, led the battle against Mitchell’s life sentence alongside his mother, Corinne.
Her withdrawal follows a ruling by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC), which found there were no grounds to challenge the guilty verdict.
"A new campaign is now being launched, being led by a Scots criminologist, Dr Sandra Lean, who has dedicated her life to fighting injustice and defending those she believes have been wrongfully convicted. She has dedicated her career to the case, which happened in her hometown of Dalkeith 15 years ago and is set to publish a book later this year which she claims shows failings in the original police investigation.
Speaking to the Herald she said: “This would be the biggest embarrassment possibly ever for the Scottish police
ridiculous and small-town mentality– a lot of gossip.[/b]
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/fresh-appeal-launched-to-clear-name-of-jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1-4800387
And more recently was promoting herself via her Facebook page as a ‘leading criminologist specialising in miscarriages of justice’
Have you seen the ‘about’ section of Sandra Leans Facebook page?
It reads,
“Dr Sandra Lean is a leading criminologist specialising in miscarriages of justice. www.longroadtojustice.com”
Since when?
And where can we find evidence of this?
A ‘criminologist’ who fails to use all knowledge of psychological and social theories to understand criminal behaviour? *&^^&
Stephanie Bon
‘Around October 2001, Simon and I became an item. He used to stay at my house in Colchester, regularly as it was so much more convenient for work.
‘After a few weeks of being together, Simon introduced me to his parents Lynn and Phil. Lynn was really friendly, and it was obvious she thought highly of Simon.
Yet no mention of Stephanie Bon in killer Simon Halls mother Lynne Hall’s police witness statement?
Referring to events immediately after Joan Albert was murdered
Lynne Hall states in her WS 25th July 2002
‘… I was making a cup of tea when he got in, he seemed happy and said he had a good time, I remember he said he was tired and asked if he had time for an hours sleep. I can’t remember if he did. We certainly had a cup of tea and a chat, it was not unusual to see him come in then. I don’t remember what he was wearing when he came in. In any event he got changed before going out for the day. I don’t remember what he was wearing but we did take several family photographs of the day. If he was wearing a jacket it would be a cream designer shiney type jacket with a warm lining. I was in the kitchen when Simon got in but I do not recall the time. The phone is in the lounge and if it does ring I usually wake up. We did talk and he wanted to know how I had been, I got the impression a girl was involved and as his mum I did not want to dig too deep.
Simon appeared to enjoy our family day and was his usual entertaining self
Why didn’t Lynne Hall mention Stephanie Bon or of the alleged ‘mixup’ over her, Stephanie, going out to the family get together the next day?
Stephanie Bon
‘…as I was meant to be going to a family meal the following day. On the Sunday Simon was off for a meal wi relatives and asked me to go along as well. I instantly agreed, looking forward to meeting he rest of the family, but unfortunately Simon did not get around to asking his mum until it was too late. By the time Simon asked Lynne, there was not enu room at the table and I was unable to go along.
This had annoyed me, and I remember questioning whether the relationship was worth continuing with.
Lynne Hall refers to several of her sons girlfriends but nothing about Stephanie Bon ? Why does she choose to omit this fact?
‘After a few weeks of being together, Simon introduced me to his parents Lynn and Phil.’
Lynne also refers to bonfire night - which would have been early November 2001 - where she states she went out with her son, his girlfriend Zoe and Zoe’s son.
Stephanie Bon
‘Around the end of September 2002, Simon informed me that Zoe and him, had broken up. I was not surprised as Simon had not been happy for a while, and Zoe was always checking up on him.
‘I thoroughly enjoyed my relationship with Simon. We laughed and got on well, I just think he was not ready at that time to settle down. Maybe if we had met five or ten years down the line, things would have been different.
Lynne Hall
‘… I would say hat over the Christmas Simon was in a fairly good frame of mind even though he had had the problem with Zoe.
I am willing to assist police with this matter and will attend court if required
Those last two sentence above and the last two sentence of Lynne Hall’s witness statement
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Have any experts read and reviewed IB?
My understanding is that AO first name is not the usual spelling but that is what is used throughout the book. If you can’t get the basics right then what other errors are there?
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Have any experts read and reviewed IB?
My understanding is that AO first name is not the usual spelling but that is what is used throughout the book. If you can’t get the basics right then what other errors are there?
Parky’s read it
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Have any experts read and reviewed IB?
My understanding is that AO first name is not the usual spelling but that is what is used throughout the book. If you can’t get the basics right then what other errors are there?
Referring to oneself as a ‘criminologist’ and having a doctorate does not make one an ‘expert’
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Have any experts read and reviewed IB?
My understanding is that AO first name is not the usual spelling but that is what is used throughout the book. If you can’t get the basics right then what other errors are there?
Why am I not surprised
Do you recall this ⬇️
She was wrong. The print copy had the correct spelling. - Ms Lean went on to say "glad to see that Jane Hamilton has corrected the spelling" - implying after she had pointed it out to her.
As you say ‘what other errors are there’
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383172.html#msg383172
"When toxic types can’t control the way you see yourself, they start to control how others see you; they play the martyr while you’re labeled the toxic one. A smear campaign is a preemptive strike to sabotage your reputation and slander your name so that you won’t have a support network to fall back on lest you decide to detach and cut ties with this toxic person. They may even stalk and harass you or the people you know as a way to supposedly “expose” the truth about you; this exposure acts as a way to hide their own abusive behavior while projecting it onto you.
Bringing in the opinion, perspective or suggested threat of another person into the dynamic of an interaction is known as “triangulation.” Often used to validate the toxic person’s abuse while invalidating the victim’s reactions to abuse, triangulation can also work to manufacture love triangles that leave you feeling unhinged and insecure.
1st 8 pages, publishing rights and maps. 4 index. 5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7 background 13 Agreed facts 8 How the stories changed. 6 AW and moped boys. 12 Moped boys. 5 JF and [Name removed]
11 more JF. 9 the mystery deepens SK. 4 stocky man. 1 Parka 10 AB 11 F&W 18 Phone calls. 14 phones. 18 CSM. 11 Evidence (1) 5 Transfer theories. 1 Evidence (2) 3 Luke and forensics. 2 Blood wall scene. 2 Jodi and forensics. 3 toxicology. 10 Parka and log burner. 6 Dalia Manson and sex motivated attack. 12 Mistaken ID. 22 Luke and police. 20 Interrogation (1) 16 Interrogation (2)18 SM and CM. 6 CM. 18 Media. 9 Lie detectors. 5 No similar attacks. 15 SCCRC. 4 Some final thoughts.
Above gives you an idea in sequence of chapters and amount on each. 18 pages on phone calls, mostly irrelevant waffle. The interrogation pages are where most of the verbatim come from, most of that 5% - Selective cherry picking which fills up the pages!
MK and JaF are mixed in at different points.
I can just imagine the amount of ‘triangulation’ Sandra Lean has used in her 2nd book
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Have any experts read and reviewed IB?
My understanding is that AO first name is not the usual spelling but that is what is used throughout the book. If you can’t get the basics right then what other errors are there?
And do you recall this ⬇️
Sandra Lean
Media wars are not my thing. Misinformation is not my thing.
(Source for above http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382996.html#msg382996)
She was wrong. The print copy had the correct spelling. - Ms Lean went on to say "glad to see that Jane Hamilton has corrected the spelling" - implying after she had pointed it out to her.
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‘Why bother’ ?
Does she have a chapter called ‘why bother’?
Is this where she tells her readers of the amount of years she spent working and campaigning for killer Luke Mitchell ?
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1st 8 pages, publishing rights and maps. 4 index. 5 intro. 12 Why bother. 7 background 13 Agreed facts 8 How the stories changed. 6 AW and moped boys. 12 Moped boys. 5 JF and [Name removed]
11 more JF. 9 the mystery deepens SK. 4 stocky man. 1 Parka 10 AB 11 F&W 18 Phone calls. 14 phones. 18 CSM. 11 Evidence (1) 5 Transfer theories. 1 Evidence (2) 3 Luke and forensics. 2 Blood wall scene. 2 Jodi and forensics. 3 toxicology. 10 Parka and log burner. 6 Dalia Manson and sex motivated attack. 12 Mistaken ID. 22 Luke and police. 20 Interrogation (1) 16 Interrogation (2)18 SM and CM. 6 CM. 18 Media. 9 Lie detectors. 5 No similar attacks. 15 SCCRC. 4 Some final thoughts.
Above gives you an idea in sequence of chapters and amount on each. 18 pages on phone calls, mostly irrelevant waffle. The interrogation pages are where most of the verbatim come from, most of that 5% - Selective cherry picking which fills up the pages!
MK and JaF are mixed in at different points.
‘Why bother’ ?
Does she have a chapter called ‘why bother’?
Is this where she tells her readers of the amount of years she spent working and campaigning for killer Luke Mitchell ?
Sandra Lean gave permission for entire chapters of her book ‘No Smoke’ to be copied and posted online - has she given the same permission in her 2nd book IB ?
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Sandra Lean gave permission for entire chapters of her book ‘No Smoke’ to be copied and posted online - has she given the same permission in her 2nd book IB ?
SL needs help. IMO.
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SL needs help. IMO.
I have never met her, but she does not give me that impression!
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Sandra Lean gave permission for entire chapters of her book ‘No Smoke’ to be copied and posted online - has she given the same permission in her 2nd book IB ?
No, it is the usual copyright status:
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No, it is the usual copyright status:
I wonder if her and John Morris are ‘thick as thieves’ ?
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Struck+off+solicitor+was+taken+on+by+law+firm%3B+TRIBUNAL%3A+Swansea...-a088672757
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I have never met her, but she does not give me that impression!
I disagree, mr apples. I think her history is testament to her present behaviour. Many guilty men defended by SL yet still all guilty so I have to ask myself if this is a Sandra Lean problem?
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I have never met her, but she does not give me that impression!
Apologies. I meant mrswah not mr apples.
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Charlatan Sandra Lean has duped many people into supporting her and the psychopathic killer of Jodi Jones
Her 2nd book probably doesn’t even contain enough pages for all the police witness statements
A brief glimpse at her first book ‘’No Smoke’, which contains a chapter on Joan Albert’s killer, doesn’t include any of this ⬇️
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
And she will have done the same in her 2nd book
What facts? No one's allowed to see any. Very little is in the public domain, according to SL.
And the reason why Sandra Lean and the Mitchell’s keep the case files out of reach from others is because they know they will all be exposed for the liars and manipulators they are
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Charlatan Sandra Lean has duped many people into supporting her and the psychopathic killer of Jodi Jones
Similar to Stephanie Bon with killer Simon Halls innocence fraud, Sandra Lean uses malicious tactics in an attempt to fool her readers
For example, Sandra Lean* does not explain to her readers why only one of her daughters was living with her, and instead attempts to portray herself in a different, more positive and skewed light, to fool people and draw them in
*Sandra Leans involvement in the innocence fraud campaign of killer Simon Hall will be published in the New Year
Part 1 👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
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What a surprise 🙄
http://www.longroadtojustice.com/
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448049.html#msg448049
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Baby killer Billy Middleton on Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
7 December 2009
‘This book provides invaluable insight into the British justice system in a manner anyone can understand and everyone should be aware of. Having subsequently met the author I am also aware that the text is not simply an academic viewpoint but a heartfelt and passionate stand-point based on thorough examination of each featured case.
As a result, Sandra Lean has demonstrated not only an ability to highlight the flaws in each case but an awareness of the emotional turmoil experienced by the accused and families alike. A quality so often void from others writing from a purely sterile perspective.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Smoke-Sandra-Lean/product-reviews/1906628009/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_next_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=2
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What a surprise 🙄
http://www.longroadtojustice.com/
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448049.html#msg448049
Liar Sandra Lean stated on 26th October 2018
‘Today, my book about the case, Innocents Betrayed, was launched. Profits from the book are being donated to help fund a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which will be taking a radically new approach to helping the fight against injustice…
What she actually meant was the profits were for herself
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Liar Sandra Lean stated on 26th October 2018
‘Today, my book about the case, Innocents Betrayed, was launched. Profits from the book are being donated to help fund a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which will be taking a radically new approach to helping the fight against injustice…
What she actually meant was the profits were for herself
Sandra Lean is a con women similar to Stephanie Bon
More to be published on this in the New Year
Part 1 👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Sandra Lean
‘If you pick and choose points, you can stitch them together to make what looks like a compelling narrative, so long a no-one comes along and ruins the story by pointing out all of the"missed out" bits that make a nonsense of it.‘
*&^^&
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Baby killer Billy Middleton on Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
7 December 2009
‘This book provides invaluable insight into the British justice system in a manner anyone can understand and everyone should be aware of. Having subsequently met the author I am also aware that the text is not simply an academic viewpoint but a heartfelt and passionate stand-point based on thorough examination of each featured case.
As a result, Sandra Lean has demonstrated not only an ability to highlight the flaws in each case but an awareness of the emotional turmoil experienced by the accused and families alike. A quality so often void from others writing from a purely sterile perspective.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Smoke-Sandra-Lean/product-reviews/1906628009/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_next_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=2
Baby killer Billy Middleton did not just meet ‘the author’, he moved in with her
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Sandra Lean is a con women similar to Stephanie Bon
More to be published on this in the New Year
Part 1 👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Sandra Lean was told about a lot of this ⬆️ in 2014
Although she will lie and make false public claims like,
‘I would like to stress that it was not, and never has been, my intention to mislead’
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199
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Sandra Lean was told about a lot of this ⬆️ in 2014
Although she will lie and make false public claims like,
‘I would like to stress that it was not, and never has been, my intention to mislead’
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199
Sandra Lean went to very little effort, if any, to pull her book ‘No Smoke’ from sale
In fact some people were buying this book after she’d published her 2nd book
And at no time did she point out her numerous lies, errors and false and misleading narratives
I don’t even think Stephanie Bon was mentioned in ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean even though she was Simon Hall’s girlfriend when Joan Albert was murdered
And according to Stephanie Bon, Simon Hall had ‘disappeared’ that weekend
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Why would Sandra Lean choose to leave out these crucial points from her book?
And how many crucial points has she left out of her second book - because we know she has! Because con women like Sandra Lean know how to manipulate and deceive their audience
Sandra Lean
‘If you pick and choose points, you can stitch them together to make what looks like a compelling narrative, so long a no-one comes along and ruins the story by pointing out all of the"missed out" bits that make a nonsense of it.‘
Source: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330669.html#msg330669
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Sandra Lean went to very little effort, if any, to pull her book ‘No Smoke’ from sale
In fact some people were buying this book after she’d published her 2nd book
And at no time did she point out her numerous lies, errors and false and misleading narratives
I don’t even think Stephanie Bon was mentioned in ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean even though she was Simon Hall’s girlfriend when Joan Albert was murdered
And according to Stephanie Bon, Simon Hall had ‘disappeared’ that weekend
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Why would Sandra Lean choose to leave out these crucial facts from her book?
And how many crucial facts has she left out of her second book - because we know she has! Because con women like Sandra Lean know how to manipulate and deceive their audience
Source: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330669.html#msg330669
Stephanie Bon, who like Sandra Lean lied to the public (And anyone who would listen) published this in February 2013
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”Justice 4 Simon
Unfortunately, Justice4Simon has been taken offline for the time being.
This is due to the abuse and relentless bullying from Simon’s wife: “mrs h” on internet forums and social networking sites over the last 5 yrs.
I have kept records of most of her attacks particularly the ones over forums where “moderators” are it seems more interested in petty arguments and gossip mostly instigated by mrs h, then in the Simon Hall case, so I have decided not to post them on this website as I do not feel that it is in Simon’s best interest for the general public to see the manner in which his wife conveys herself.
All these messages have been monitored as I regularly report mrs h’s attacks to the police, what she fails to realise is that they have a vested interest in Simon’s case and therefore the way she conducts herself picking fights and insulting people will reflect badly on Simon.
Sadly, I can no longer sit by and watch her attempts at destroying my reputation by slandering me all over the internet, a faceless place where it’s so easy to do so…
For the people who are interested, you can follow mrs h’s work live on the links below.
And Sandra Lean went on to state
‘I personally believe that your recent online behaviour, the way you handled Simon's confession to the other burglary, and the consequent attacks of Shaun and Stephanie Bon have all been detrimental to public support for Simon [/i]
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384705.html#msg384705
This ⬆️ was after Sandra Lean learned of the Zenith burglary
Only Sandra Lean knows exactly why she chooses to defend actual, factual, guilty, deceptive and sexually deviant killers like Simon Hall, Luke Mitchell (And all the others she promotes) and re write history and promote their false narratives
But it will be interesting to learn how much money she has made from her & killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
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Here’s Sandra Leans ‘Hidden in plain view’ BS again 🙄
Sandra Lean
‘There is also the curious anomaly of very little blood on the trousers (a few spots) and the fact that there was no blood found in the knotted section of one leg and the wrapped section of the other. Even if it were possible for the killer to remain blood free while inflicting those horrendous wounds (and the evidence doesn't support that claim), how could a person move a fully clothed body, remove the heavily bloodstained upper clothing, trousers, socks and shoes then replace the socks, turn the body over to tie the arms (which were severely cut), with the trousers and still remain blood free? That scenario was before the jury, but it was hidden in plain view amongst the massive amount of irrelevant rubbish, in the guise of "evidence," they were swamped with.
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell had ample time to return to the spot where he had murdered [Name removed] and ample time to wash himself in the nearby river and at home, and to dispose of the clothing he wore earlier
Aiden Fucci was said to have stabbed his victim 114 times https://abcnews.go.com/US/14-year-boy-adult-allegedly-stabbing-teen-girl/story?id=77961546
Did video footage show him covered in blood?
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Stephanie Bon, who like Sandra Lean lied to the public (And anyone who would listen) published this in February 2013
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”Justice 4 Simon
Unfortunately, Justice4Simon has been taken offline for the time being.
This is due to the abuse and relentless bullying from Simon’s wife: “mrs h” on internet forums and social networking sites over the last 5 yrs.
I have kept records of most of her attacks particularly the ones over forums where “moderators” are it seems more interested in petty arguments and gossip mostly instigated by mrs h, then in the Simon Hall case, so I have decided not to post them on this website as I do not feel that it is in Simon’s best interest for the general public to see the manner in which his wife conveys herself.
All these messages have been monitored as I regularly report mrs h’s attacks to the police, what she fails to realise is that they have a vested interest in Simon’s case and therefore the way she conducts herself picking fights and insulting people will reflect badly on Simon.
Sadly, I can no longer sit by and watch her attempts at destroying my reputation by slandering me all over the internet, a faceless place where it’s so easy to do so…
For the people who are interested, you can follow mrs h’s work live on the links below.
And Sandra Lean went on to state
This ⬆️ was after Sandra Lean learned of the Zenith burglary
Only Sandra Lean knows exactly why she chooses to defend actual, factual, guilty, deceptive and sexually deviant killers like Simon Hall, Luke Mitchell (And all the others she promotes) and re write history and promote their false narratives
But it will be interesting to learn how much money she has made from her & killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
And this from Shaun Hall - Jan 2013
‘Just remember, it’s YOUR show, YOU made this happen because YOU love the attention so now you have attention from people who actually know what goes on behind closed doors.
Stephanie Bon - Feb 2013
‘I am disappointed that Simon didn’t feel that he could share his latest revelation with me at the time I started J4S or during my work campaigning as I would definitely have advised him to seek the best advice and own up to the appropriate people as opposed to being speculated and gossiped about until it got leaked on a public forum.
Shaun Hall
“He has a history that he shouldn’t be proud of and to be honest, stolen goods from 11 years ago are the least of his worries
I know you lack the ability to see reason sometimes as you have demonstrated on many occasions, possibly because of how involved you are with Simon
Simon publicly shamed himself with his outburst in my opinion
Stephanie, please do everyone a favour and stop blaming everyone else for things that Simon is responsible for. First, Simon had every chance to confess to his actions on the night of Joan’s death, however he decided to keep this quiet. Saying that anyone else should go to the police is ridiculous as they wouldn’t want Simon to get in to further trouble.
What does Shane Mitchell know about the days events when his brother Luke murdered [Name removed] ?
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And this from Shaun Hall - Jan 2013
‘Just remember, it’s YOUR show, YOU made this happen because YOU love the attention so now you have attention from people who actually know what goes on behind closed doors.
Stephanie Bon - Feb 2013
‘I am disappointed that Simon didn’t feel that he could share his latest revelation with me at the time I started J4S or during my work campaigning as I would definitely have advised him to seek the best advice and own up to the appropriate people as opposed to being speculated and gossiped about until it got leaked on a public forum.
Shaun Hall
“He has a history that he shouldn’t be proud of and to be honest, stolen goods from 11 years ago are the least of his worries
I know you lack the ability to see reason sometimes as you have demonstrated on many occasions, possibly because of how involved you are with Simon
Simon publicly shamed himself with his outburst in my opinion
Stephanie, please do everyone a favour and stop blaming everyone else for things that Simon is responsible for. First, Simon had every chance to confess to his actions on the night of Joan’s death, however he decided to keep this quiet. Saying that anyone else should go to the police is ridiculous as they wouldn’t want Simon to get in to further trouble.
What does Shane Mitchell know about the days events when his brother Luke murdered [Name removed] ?
‘JOAN Albert's murderer is being shielded by someone in Capel St Mary the officer leading the hunt for her killer said today.
Almost five months the 79-year-old was stabbed to death Detective Superintendent Roy Lambert revealed the key to the killer's identity likely lies within the 8,000 strong community.
Keen to stress the murder enquiry has not stalled, Det Supt Lambert told the Evening Star:
"Someone in Capel is withholding information, maybe deliberately. Capel St Mary is where the final piece of the jigsaw lies."
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/oap-s-killer-being-shielded-say-police-7408182
Lynne Hall and Stephanie Bon without doubt withheld information from the police
Just as it appears Corinne and Shane Mitchell have done in killer Luke Mitchell’s case
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‘JOAN Albert's murderer is being shielded by someone in Capel St Mary the officer leading the hunt for her killer said today.
Almost five months the 79-year-old was stabbed to death Detective Superintendent Roy Lambert revealed the key to the killer's identity likely lies within the 8,000 strong community.
Keen to stress the murder enquiry has not stalled, Det Supt Lambert told the Evening Star:
"Someone in Capel is withholding information, maybe deliberately. Capel St Mary is where the final piece of the jigsaw lies."
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/oap-s-killer-being-shielded-say-police-7408182
Lynne Hall and Stephanie Bon without doubt withheld information from the police
Just as it appears Corinne and Shane Mitchell have done in killer Luke Mitchell’s case
Lynne Hall (killer Simon Hall’s adoptive mother) appeared in the last ever Rough Justice documentary - created by Peter Hill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Justice_(British_TV_programme)
Peter Hill attended killer Simon Hall’s 2010 appeal at the Royal Courts of Justice.
Charlatan Sandra Lean was unable to attend the December 2010 appeal, although she did attend the preliminary hearing in March 2010 alongside then boyfriend, baby killer Billy Middleton.
Sandra Lean claimed Peter Hill would be taking notes on her bahalf during the 3 day December 2010 appeal hearing
Lynne Hall lied throughout the last ever Rough Justice documentary, as did Stephanie Bon - who was killer Simon Hall’s girlfriend at the time he murdered Joan Albert (https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/)
Killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Corinne Mitchell at around 7.00pm, almost 2 hours after he had murdered [Name removed]
It’s been alleged the 7.00pm phone-call was made from Luke to Corinne to ask her to tell [Name removed], if she turned up at his house looking for him, he would be in the Abbey
Killer Luke Mitchell supporters have created a timeline of events but have chosen to omit details from their timeline, like for example when Luke was seen by his neighbour walking past his house at 10.00pm
There is also no mention on the timeline of smoke being seen coming from the Mitchell’s back garden
And no mention of any of the Mitchell’s exact movements on that night
Where was Shane Mitchell that night and what exactly was he doing?
Did Shane have a solid alibi throughout the night? What time was his car seen arriving home?
According to Corrine Mitchell, ‘Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating!’ Where did Shane come from and where was he going to? (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg541439#msg541439)
Where was Shane when Luke was allegedly watching a DVD at 9pm in his bedroom and where was Corinne?
And at what time did Luke leave his bedroom to go downstairs, in order for him to have allegedly gone up the stairs - according to Corinne - to fetch Shane’s torch?
Who’s torch was Luke using when he was seen walking past the neighbours house at 10pm
And where was Luke going to or coming from at 10pm?
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From last month
Sandra Lean
Huge thanks to Maxine at www.youcallthisjustice.com for interviewing me for series 1 (interview is out today). A fantastic project and lots of really interesting interviews.
‘Maxine’ is Maxine Twynam the lawyer who chose to lie about sex offender, predator and convicted/exonerated killer Barry George
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9318.msg673149#msg673149
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Sandra Lean went to very little effort, if any, to pull her book ‘No Smoke’ from sale
In fact some people were buying this book after she’d published her 2nd book
And at no time did she point out her numerous lies, errors and false and misleading narratives
I don’t even think Stephanie Bon was mentioned in ‘No Smoke’ by Sandra Lean even though she was Simon Hall’s girlfriend when Joan Albert was murdered
And according to Stephanie Bon, Simon Hall had ‘disappeared’ that weekend
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Why would Sandra Lean choose to leave out these crucial points from her book?
And how many crucial points has she left out of her second book - because we know she has! Because con women like Sandra Lean know how to manipulate and deceive their audience
Sandra Lean
‘If you pick and choose points, you can stitch them together to make what looks like a compelling narrative, so long a no-one comes along and ruins the story by pointing out all of the"missed out" bits that make a nonsense of it.‘
Source: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330669.html#msg330669
An article titled ‘The narcissists fan club’ has been reproduced here ⬇️
https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/28/the-narcissists-fan-club-aka-flying-monkeys/
along with one titled, ‘Playing the blame game as a manipulation tactic’
https://therealmrshspoofblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/playing-the-blame-game-as-a-manipulation-tactic/
Following the exposure of killer Simon Hall’s guilt in 2012/13 Sandra Lean went on to state she would be withdrawing her first book ‘No Smoke’ but she went back on this and when asked in 2017 whether or not she would be re-vising or withdrawing her book, as she had claimed she would be in doing in early 2014, she chose to play ‘the blame game’
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382408.html#msg382408
Sandra Lean has a small seemingly unsuspecting ‘fan club’ of ‘flying monkey’s’ who appear to not be aware of her ‘behaviour patterns’ or of her ‘problematic attitude’
The innocence fraud and malicious tactics of Sandra Lean will feature in the following blog series, due to be published in the New Year
PART 1 👉 https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
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According to Corrine Mitchell, ‘Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating!’ Where did Shane come from and where was he going to? (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg541439#msg541439)
Why did Corrine Mitchell allegedly find Shane’s coming and going ‘irritating’ ?
And what about Luke, who also appeared to be going in and out of the house - if all what Corinne has said over the years, to date, is to be believed.
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But it will be interesting to learn how much money she has made from her & killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6919979/crime-expert-sandra-lean-fund-effort-free-luke-mitchell/
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13091576/filing-history
Sandra Lean - 2018 (Source: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448049.html#msg448049)
’Today, my book about the case, Innocents Betrayed, was launched. Profits from the book are being donated to help fund a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which will be taking a radically new approach to helping the fight against injustice.
Details of the book can be found here:
www.longroadtojustice.com
‘Long Road to Justice’ no longer appears to exists after having recently been removed from the WWW http://www.longroadtojustice.com/
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Sandra Lean stated on 18th November 2018
’The one thing I've learned over the years is that most families, right at the beginning, have no idea how awful the media can be and talk to them trustingly…’
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448889.html#msg448889
Killers and their families, and friends, talk to the media ‘right at the beginning’ and at other times, in an attempt to divert attention away from themselves and in order to create false and misleading narratives, some of which can be seen in ‘the innocence fraud of Joan Albert’s killer’ ⬇️ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
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Actual, factual killers and their mothers can be convincing actors
’Hall's adopted mother Lynn burst into tears before he was led back to the dock for the last time.
Hall, dressed in a pink shirt and a black suit, took a deep breath as the jury foreman told the judge that at least ten jurors had agreed on a verdict.
When he uttered the word "guilty" the court erupted with wails and sobs from Hall's family.
The judge waited for a minute until the noise died down, while Hall looked stunned in the dock.
He put his head in his hands, then looked up and shook his head as his inconsolable mum collapsed into the arms of her family.
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/life-behind-bars-for-capel-killer-1-132809
And Corinne Mitchell’s performance over the years has been similar to Lynne Halls
Corrine Mitchell referred to a ‘confession’ during her performance on James English’s podcast
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According to convicted but exonerated murderer Michael O’Brien (one of the so called Cardiff Newsagent 3)
On the 27th February 2014 he publicly stated,
‘Sandra Lean has done so much for victims of miscarriages of justice and I am sickened that anyone could even suggest she was responsible for Simon Hall’s death so whoever is responsible for these malicious lies had better stop. Hope your health gets better soon Sandra thinking of you. XX’
Sandra Lean has been promoting the innocence fraud of actual, factual guilty killers for years and has used no end of malicious lies to do so
Who was it who allegedly said Sandra Lean ‘was responsible for Simon Hall’s death’?
Where did these allegations stem from originally?
Or were they manufactured?
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The following https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions
is a ‘work in progress’ however the malicious smear tactics used by Sandra Lean to promote herself and her cause, will be explored and highlighted in the New Year
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Sandra Lean has recently - via her podcast - attempted to promote the innocence fraud of serial killer Ben Geen
She claims not only did Geen ’not commit the crimes they didn’t happen’
Maybe during her next podcast she’ll name the prescription drugs Ben Geen was stealing from Horton General hospital, the quantities he stole, the dates on which he stole them and in what properties linked to Geen they were found in
Also maybe she can tell us why Mark McDonald (Ben Geen’s lawyer) contradicted Megan Crabbe’s evidence in chief during the ‘Nurses who kill’ documentary
And how many loaded syringes Ben Geen and his fiancé Megan Crabbe were aware of - not including the one found on him upon arrival to work when he was arrested by police
Suspect we’ll be hearing more about Mark McDonald 🙄
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg654940#msg654940
‘EnabledbyNature.Com’ (http://enabledbynature.com/) removed from WWW 🙄
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg654940#msg654940
‘EnabledbyNature.Com’ (http://enabledbynature.com/) removed from WWW 🙄
Not in the least surprised given the content.
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Not in the least surprised given the content.
How many pages of case papers do you think were disclosed to LM ?
Sandra Lean’s interpretation contained within what 380 pages of a book?
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Liar Sandra Lean stated on 26th October 2018
‘Today, my book about the case, Innocents Betrayed, was launched. Profits from the book are being donated to help fund a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which will be taking a radically new approach to helping the fight against injustice…
Does anyone have any updates on what Sandra Lean has done with the profits from her second book, given she made claim they were being donated to a ‘new organisation, Long Road to Justice’?
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"In the Mitchell murder trial, we are not and have not been privy to everything that was led in evidence, nor have we seen every shred of it and heard every word of testimony."
https://thescotslawblog.com/2021/03/01/unravelling-corroboration-and-circumstantial-evidence/
So these "professionals who really should know better" Experts in their field being asked questions in such a way to illicit the response sought after, matter not. It is simply bias upon bias. The article is correct, they have not witnessed near enough of this case to place any ? upon reasonable doubt.
And these wannabe experts, who profess to being something that they simply are not. There is and never was a criminologist who studied this case, there was a student who used it for study purpose. Psychic Sue? who just knew this complete stranger (cough) did not kill Jodi Jones. So much so she was shouting it from those rooftops she just loves so much. Who then, by September 2003 had LM look her in the eye and "she just knew (again) that he was innocent" Marvellous Intel.
IB tells us that Ms Lean along with the Mitchells carried out their "own form of investigation" CM tells us in her JE podcast of her and Sandra's theories. LM by October was out with his mother "celebrating the end of a difficult time" So this extremely "close collaboration" between what was to become SL's two "key witnesses" - had all three working together, investigating into who the killer could be? - comedy of errors! (IB really is!) We have barely reached Nov '03' here.
Make no mistake here, those foundations already being firmly laid. The events of that day, told to SL who simply soaked up every word, from this complete stranger, whom she just knew by that eye contact to be innocent. So one had those events firmly embedded, all three had media reports to work from. We had the duo on the bike, this mystery man, and as SL tells us in IB, intel from the Mitchells on Jodi's family, her brother. We still have not reached Nov '03' here. We already have half of IB here, those 380 pages of large text.
So, to the point (really), and to be serious here. Not that it would matter one iota what SL had access to, the outcome would still be the same. Taken every piece of advice by Colin Bowman. To sway public opinion by deflecting away from the convicted, the truth, the evidence. By using that psychological approach, that 'gaslighting' Pushing out a false narrative to place attention upon others, to change ones perception of the truth by showing that anyone connected may have been acting upon self interest.
Right down to those aunts in the carpark. Perhaps they arrived with Morag's UFO? Who knows, anything is a real possibility. Enough now:
SL has never had access to the case files, she did not attend those 9 weeks of trial, hearing/seeing/witnessing testimony first hand. Has never had access to full court transcripts. Is putting out her psychological approach, based upon deflection. As there is nothing, that is zero to even scratch the surface of a MOJ. Everything she is projecting is based upon that clear conflict of interest, that claimed blind faith and psychic powers, telling her of a strangers innocence. - But going by these threads popping up (Blue Forum), it is easy to see exactly the level of intellect aimed at, and those who take this on as 9 weeks of nothing. For if the whole case fits into around 50 pages of large text (the rest deflection), you do exactly what it says on the tin. - wonderful stuff. Keep up the good work. What day is it today children? It is the day before 'Forensic Friday?'
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https://thescotslawblog.com/2021/03/01/unravelling-corroboration-and-circumstantial-evidence/
So these "professionals who really should know better" Experts in their field being asked questions in such a way to illicit the response sought after, matter not. It is simply bias upon bias. The article is correct, they have not witnessed near enough of this case to place any ? upon reasonable doubt.
And these wannabe experts, who profess to being something that they simply are not. There is and never was a criminologist who studied this case, there was a student who used it for study purpose. Psychic Sue? who just knew this complete stranger (cough) did not kill Jodi Jones. So much so she was shouting it from those rooftops she just loves so much. Who then, by September 2003 had LM look her in the eye and "she just knew (again) that he was innocent" Marvellous Intel.
IB tells us that Ms Lean along with the Mitchells carried out their "own form of investigation" CM tells us in her JE podcast of her and Sandra's theories. LM by October was out with his mother "celebrating the end of a difficult time" So this extremely "close collaboration" between what was to become SL's two "key witnesses" - had all three working together, investigating into who the killer could be? - comedy of errors! (IB really is!) We have barely reached Nov '03' here.
Make no mistake here, those foundations already being firmly laid. The events of that day, told to SL who simply soaked up every word, from this complete stranger, whom she just knew by that eye contact to be innocent. So one had those events firmly embedded, all three had media reports to work from. We had the duo on the bike, this mystery man, and as SL tells us in IB, intel from the Mitchells on Jodi's family, her brother. We still have not reached Nov '03' here. We already have half of IB here, those 380 pages of large text.
So, to the point (really), and to be serious here. Not that it would matter one iota what SL had access to, the outcome would still be the same. Taken every piece of advice by Colin Bowman. To sway public opinion by deflecting away from the convicted, the truth, the evidence. By using that psychological approach, that 'gaslighting' Pushing out a false narrative to place attention upon others, to change ones perception of the truth by showing that anyone connected may have been acting upon self interest.
Right down to those aunts in the carpark. Perhaps they arrived with Morag's UFO? Who knows, anything is a real possibility. Enough now:
SL has never had access to the case files, she did not attend those 9 weeks of trial, hearing/seeing/witnessing testimony first hand. Has never had access to full court transcripts. Is putting out her psychological approach, based upon deflection. As there is nothing, that is zero to even scratch the surface of a MOJ. Everything she is projecting is based upon that clear conflict of interest, that claimed blind faith and psychic powers, telling her of a strangers innocence. - But going by these threads popping up (Blue Forum), it is easy to see exactly the level of intellect aimed at, and those who take this on as 9 weeks of nothing. For if the whole case fits into around 50 pages of large text (the rest deflection), you do exactly what it says on the tin. - wonderful stuff. Keep up the good work. What day is it today children? It is the day before 'Forensic Friday?'
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Does anyone have any updates on what Sandra Lean has done with the profits from her second book, given she made claim they were being donated to a ‘new organisation, Long Road to Justice’?
Along with calling it LM’s fighting fund. Where did the profits go I wonder? She has never been clear or willing to answer this question.
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Along with calling it LM’s fighting fund. Where did the profits go I wonder? She has never been clear or willing to answer this question.
Sandra Lean on ‘podcasts’
‘Matt Elliott They're the bane of my life!!! I can't comment unless I've listened to the whole thing and, as Lianna pointed out, it can literally take hours to note all of the errors and correct them.
I've reached out to a number of podcasters whose output was factually wildly inaccurate and requested an online discussion with them to clear up the errors - to date, not a single one has accepted the invitation. That says something about their motivation, in my opinion!!!
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Emma Morris
Good morning. The Jeremy Bamber Innocence Campaign recently interviewed Dr Sandra Lean about Luke’s case for one of our podcasts (Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm).
As I’m sure everyone here knows, Sandra has dedicated many years to researching and trying to achieve justice for Luke and this interview gives a heartbreaking account of how a young boy was failed so badly by the British justice system:
Sandra Lean
Sharon Cuthbertson Stevenson First of all, thank you for being so honest. I know many people have been afraid to admit they believed Luke, Jeremy and others were guilty purely based on media portrayals. But it's people like you, who are willing to take another look and decide for themselves, once they have seen all the facts, who will eventually bring about the changes we need in our justice systems - changes that will stop innocent people being robbed of decades of their lives and, in cases like Luke's, leaving the real killers walking among us.
Secondly, the murders for which Jeremy was convicted happened 20 years before Luke was convicted. Long before I became involved in this work, I knew there was something terribly wrong with Jeremy's case. I didn't understand, back then, HOW it could have gone so badly wrong, but I knew that it had.
Sandra Lean
Sharon Cuthbertson Stevenson There is so much to learn about Jeremy's case - it's utterly horrifying how much information there is pointing away from him ... and how long it's taken to get that into the public domain. Even then, the strength of opposition to those facts is astonishing. I know the campaign team will be happy to answer your questions and point you in the right direction!
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Sandra Lean (yesterday)
‘There was a discussion recently about whether AO (Jodi's mother's partner) gave evidence at trial. I wasn't able to answer definitively, because I couldn't remember seeing any media coverage and I know I hadn't seen transcripts, but neither of those confirm the situation one way or another.
Someone very kindly found the article below and shared it with me, so now we have the answer- he did (albeit reported in the middle of Jodi's mum's evidence in this article)
Not yesterday of course ( Has been in my drafts for a little while) But interestingly, that which has been pointed out to me, SL does not even know the correct spelling of this mans name. So not even the mere basics are correct?
SL tells us that anything from the book that is "missing was also missing from the defence papers" SL also states repeatedly of evidence/information that was not inclusive as being "hidden" and "buried" or wilfully handed over incomplete. And again, for those who somehow fail to pick up on or know this. When a list of witnesses for the Crown are given to the defence, they themselves then choose to carry out precognitions of these witnesses. They are for the most part, also handed the statements and so forth to do with these witnesses, who will testify for the prosecution. And kept in those papers will be areas that the defence, they themselves would use? Now I am not going to apply that this would therefore fall under this "hidden" or "buried" where not being included in the defence papers matter, that would be silly.
It is firstly this "I wasn't able to answer definitively ----------" Now I am not an expert but neither do I believe for one moment, that inclusive of one's defense papers will not be a list of those witnesses called to testify, perhaps there was not? But without doubt there will be enough, with or without court transcripts to tell, that AO's was one such witness who gave evidence at this trial. That IF indeed SL did not know he had testified then why not? That is the question one should be asking, should they not? This person is advocating themselves as being an expert on this case, that she is putting out "everything" people need to know of LM V HMA?
So no, it is not simply that it revealed without doubt, that one had not sat through the trial, confirmed that one had not had access to court transcripts in full, but showed once more, just how much is missing from what this woman has had access to? That reliance upon the media for information. Or, and as I stated last year, that willfulness to play dumb, to let those conspiracies do their rounds, as to why this key witness had not been called to give evidence? It served purpose, did it not? to have any concentration away from Mitchell and evidence, upon these 'others' Namely the police here, who the conspiracies were being fed around. We had talk of statements "buried in drawers" and the likes.
Such a small statement, full to the brim with important information. It not only questions what one had access to to, those clear limitations, but highlights dishonesty, does it not? Shows that one's concentration (that tunnel vision and bias), has been to feed as much as possible around whatever one was putting together, with the help of the Mitchell's in 2003. Devouring eagerly every media report, anything in those case papers, to build as much upon of one's 'others' as was possible.
And shows us that those questions are hardly surprising at all, are they not? It is no wonder one has questions into areas that she has been completely blind to? And poses ones whilst lying by omission in other areas. But it has not stopped the innuendo, that supposition and borderline liable. It has been carefully set out, to have one's own case (aided by the Mitchells) put out for all to see? And if one has read the book, they can see that scraping at the pits of the barrel, picking their way through anything they have managed to source upon those 'others. We have 12 pages on mobile phones belonging to the Jones family but nothing of AO's testifying at court?
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We have 12 pages on mobile phones belonging to the Jones family but nothing of AO's testifying at court?
An omission or intentional deception?
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This person is advocating themselves as being an expert on this case
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Not yesterday of course ( Has been in my drafts for a little while) But interestingly, that which has been pointed out to me, SL does not even know the correct spelling of this mans name. So not even the mere basics are correct?
Sandra Lean made that statement on 20th July 2021
https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10222528810501627/
Hasn’t it been pointed out she spelt his name wrong throughout her entire book?
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And these wannabe experts, who profess to being something that they simply are not.
Like ‘Professor’ Stephen T Manning of Checkpoint press publishing
‘Cover looks great Stephen.. Thanks for all your hard work getting this produced, I really like this layout - it's better than the original by far.
Dr Sandra Lean , Scotland (No Smoke)’
http://www.checkpointpress.com/testimonials.html
‘NGU books’ sounds like a print on demand publishers
Is NGU linked to STM ?
And does anyone recall Sandra Lean making claim books allegedly went missing following the airing of the innocence fraud TV show on [Name removed]’s killer?
Wonder what she spent that money on?
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‘NGU books’ sounds like a print on demand publishers
Is NGU linked to STM ?
‘NGU books, United States’
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‘CheckPoint Press is a quality publishing and author services operation with printing and distribution outlets worldwide. Our goal is to help you achieve your publishing goals in a cost-effective, friendly and efficient manner.
Focusing primarily (but not exclusively) on non-fiction books, we produce academic, research, instruction & education works; as well as inspirational, philosophical, social commentary, poetry, religious, autobiographical, or any work that we feel 'has something to say'.
We offer ‘no-fees’ traditional publishing contracts as well as comprehensive self-publishing packages from as little as £180 UK / €200 Euros / $300 US ...all-inclusive, and our authors receive up to 80% royalties!
Linked to all the major retail and Internet outlets, we produce quality books one-at-a-time or by the truckload as required, and can deliver anywhere in the world within days! We also provide effective marketing support options, and selected ebook services.
http://www.checkpointpress.com/
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‘NGU books, United States’
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‘With printing outlets in the UK, Germany, USA, Canada and Australia, we also secure the best shipping rates for your consignment.
http://www.checkpointpress.com/bookstore.html
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Sandra Lean (Yesterday)
‘I was thinking about this just recently. The police found nothing in the first search, just 4 days after the murder. They took CM's house to pieces, searched the garden, the garage, her car, workplace, etc, etc - nothing. So, six weeks later, they go back in. And do it all over again. This time, the only "incriminating" evidence they find is the bottles of urine, courtesy of the spy in the Mitchell's midst, the FLO (ML) who obtained initial information about the bottles unlawfully - the police claimed she was never alone with LM, CM or SM, but always had another officer with her for corroboration. Yet, she entered Luke's room that day, just him and her, and asked about A bottle - from there, the rest is history. We know the bottles had nothing to do with the murder - second meticulous search. Nothing. Not a molecule of evidence. (By the way, she was alone with individual members of the Mitchell family on several occasions, by her own admission, yet her senior officer swore, on oath, that this never happened).
Well, just in case, 8 months later, they go back AGAIN. This time, they turn up evidence of some cannabis and a knife pouch with a "missing" knife. That's it - still nothing to link Luke to the murder. They already had the receipt for the knife and pouch, which showed they were bought long after Jodi's murder (which is why they didn't find it in the first two searches).
Questions:
What did they think they were going to find, 8 months later, that they didn't find 4 days and six weeks, respectively, after the murder? Is that some sort of admission that the first two searches were somehow half-a$$ed and not thorough enough? Even though they ripped the entire place apart?
How did they ever manage to pass off the "missing knife" as being linked to the murder? (1) It was bought after the murder, (2) it wasn't missing - it was handed to the police, by Luke's SOLICITOR a few days later and (3) the pathologist said, on the stand, that an identical knife to the one claimed to be "missing" was too small to have inflicted the injuries Jodi suffered.
Why was the cannabis found in Luke's room given any credence whatsoever? They wouldn't have had to look very far at all to find households of people linked to the case with much larger quantities of cannabis - if, as the final ridiculous claim became, cannabis was responsible for "making Luke do it," why wasn't that possibility considered for anyone else close to Jodi, who was consuming much more cannabis than Luke?
Those searches, to me, say it all. It wasn't "evidence" they were looking for after the first search - it was anything they could manipulate to fit their emerging narrative (e.g. the officer who said he was specifically told to look for anything Manson related). They simply adjusted that narrative as they went along - hence, a German army shirt and dozens of witnesses became a Parka Jacket with "dozens" of new witnesses (what happened to them?) And the original army shirt witnesses just disappeared into thin air.
It's quite terrifying when you see, step by step, how it was done - nothing whatsoever to do with truth and justice, but everything to do with obtaining a conviction at any cost
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Sandra Lean is a con women similar to Stephanie Bon
More to be published on this in the New Year
Part 1 👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
♦️Dropping Soon♦️
Part 2 of the UK INNOCENCE FRAUD News series 👍🏽
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Did Sandra Lean mention sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s comment about what [Name removed] was wearing before he murdered her in her 2nd book?
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Luke Mitchell stated in one of his police statements re what Jodi was wearing,
‘She liked that top, she like, she bought some of her own stuff, I mean, the clothes, the cords, jeans, she was wearing on Monday night. I think they were borrowed off her sister.”
How would Luke know what Jodi was wearing that night unless he’d seen her?
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Logan Mwangi: Murder-accused, 14, was 'a monster'
‘A teenager accused of murdering a five-year-old boy has been described as "a monster" and spoke of killing people, a court has heard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60738465
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Sandra Lean (Yesterday)
‘I was thinking about this just recently. The police found nothing in the first search, just 4 days after the murder. They took CM's house to pieces, searched the garden, the garage, her car, workplace, etc, etc - nothing. So, six weeks later, they go back in. And do it all over again. This time, the only "incriminating" evidence they find is the bottles of urine, courtesy of the spy in the Mitchell's midst, the FLO (ML) who obtained initial information about the bottles unlawfully - the police claimed she was never alone with LM, CM or SM, but always had another officer with her for corroboration. Yet, she entered Luke's room that day, just him and her, and asked about A bottle - from there, the rest is history. We know the bottles had nothing to do with the murder - second meticulous search. Nothing. Not a molecule of evidence. (By the way, she was alone with individual members of the Mitchell family on several occasions, by her own admission, yet her senior officer swore, on oath, that this never happened).
Well, just in case, 8 months later, they go back AGAIN. This time, they turn up evidence of some cannabis and a knife pouch with a "missing" knife. That's it - still nothing to link Luke to the murder. They already had the receipt for the knife and pouch, which showed they were bought long after Jodi's murder (which is why they didn't find it in the first two searches).
Questions:
What did they think they were going to find, 8 months later, that they didn't find 4 days and six weeks, respectively, after the murder? Is that some sort of admission that the first two searches were somehow half-a$$ed and not thorough enough? Even though they ripped the entire place apart?
How did they ever manage to pass off the "missing knife" as being linked to the murder? (1) It was bought after the murder, (2) it wasn't missing - it was handed to the police, by Luke's SOLICITOR a few days later and (3) the pathologist said, on the stand, that an identical knife to the one claimed to be "missing" was too small to have inflicted the injuries Jodi suffered.
Why was the cannabis found in Luke's room given any credence whatsoever? They wouldn't have had to look very far at all to find households of people linked to the case with much larger quantities of cannabis - if, as the final ridiculous claim became, cannabis was responsible for "making Luke do it," why wasn't that possibility considered for anyone else close to Jodi, who was consuming much more cannabis than Luke?
Those searches, to me, say it all. It wasn't "evidence" they were looking for after the first search - it was anything they could manipulate to fit their emerging narrative (e.g. the officer who said he was specifically told to look for anything Manson related). They simply adjusted that narrative as they went along - hence, a German army shirt and dozens of witnesses became a Parka Jacket with "dozens" of new witnesses (what happened to them?) And the original army shirt witnesses just disappeared into thin air.
It's quite terrifying when you see, step by step, how it was done - nothing whatsoever to do with truth and justice, but everything to do with obtaining a conviction at any cost
Each witness and the accused are entitled to apply for all copies of anything pertaining to them. Statements, court testimony transcripts, interviews. This fiasco around the knives is such an area (in line with the agreement around Mitchells DNA). This knife that was "missing" to be handed into Beaumont was used in testimony against CM's honest and integrity. Is SL telling us that she has not seen CM's transcripts of her testimony, nor every part of her statements and interviews? Not discussed in full with each other? We can surely apply here, without doubt that these free entitlements were requested and obtained. (To note here also, that all of this can be shared publicly, it is their data)
Playing dumb around this or has CM not given SL full disclosure to her own data? It is really is hard to tell exactly what is at play here. If the author has full access to these then there can be no doubt that she knows the following:
Firstly that the police/Crown (As If?), attempted to connect any knife after the murder with it? Why is one putting out a false narrative around this, is she openly saying again that she has not had full disclosure from CM, from Luke? Or, Is it due to disclosure laws and data protection, that one may bank upon multiple areas of evidence not being able to be sourced?
In custody both CM and her son were asked about this "missing" knife (both knives, but we will go with the black handled one first). A receipt and pouch found with no knife to go with them, the type and picture of the knife sourced from these. Shown to both CM and her son, they did not know where the knife was. IB tells of Luke being asked, that of his not knowing and then 'If you have a picture you must have it' That mocking response. After being out of custody ones memory was claimed to have returned, CM sourced the knife from where it was hidden and handed it into the family lawyer (no doubt by advice from him to do so) Claiming that it had been in a bag beside the dogs food bowls. Not so as:
Pictures had been taken of the search and evidence heard from the search team. Where it was clearly shown that there had been no bag containing a knife beside those dogs bowls. CM was then asked and shown the same pictures, caught once more in that web of deceit? That honesty and integrity were in question here. Going from not knowing, to remembering, to handing it it and making false claims to where it had been. Going into detail of this search (AD), told CM that all of this had been searched inclusive of the food in the dogs bowls. She retorted that 'She would never put her dog in danger' Not the best response, as shown before the court was that unthinkable purchase of further dangerous weapons. Done so after such a brutal murder and claimed to be for camping. That this mother simply adhered to her sons many wants, not being a responsible adult and had no qualms around being dishonest.
The brown handled knife, the only knife claimed to be connected to the murder has never been found, it is still "missing". Several witnesses testifying and Identifying the type of knife it was, the one which LM carried with him most of the time. Believed to be the murder weapon. And shown very much so, to have been of size and type to carry out the injuries by Mitchell in the murder of his girlfriend.
And it has nothing to do with "truth and Justice" does it?
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Did Sandra Lean mention sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s comment about what [Name removed] was wearing before he murdered her in her 2nd book?
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It is a mess: Pages of waffle around what Luke claimed, which was not where he managed to get to in the time from going over the wall. We know this, heard in evidence, that both JaJ and SK had only walked around 10 - 15ft when Mitchell shouted out. This is from the V break. LM went over, AW held the leash, then and only then did JaJ and SK walk past the break, barely any distance and he had shouted out. LM had only walked roughly the same distance if even the same. As they darted back to the break when he shouted and he was there on the other side. He does not mention darting back. It is my opinion and a very strong one, that LM was at haste before the arrival of the police! He most definitely and proven to be so, no closer than around 25ft.
So and again there was no evidence led and none given directly in the book, that LM's claim to SL, that he had a "powerful search light" was true. Embellished once more to make claim that he could see wonders! It does not matter for LM had walked no more than 10f - 15ft on the other side of that wall. Every account he gave was from earlier in the evening, at and after the time of the murder.
It gets worse (or better?). The claims that any testing of visibility was wrong! As the comparisons were made in the daylight, pictures taken! So we have this "search light" claim as being better than natural daylight? And without doubt pictures taken with added camera light to bring out the best exposure. It really is a mess, a tangled web of attempting to cover up the actual evidence. Comparisons are just that, they compared what could be seen at night and in daytime. Every detail Mitchell gave was one which only the murderer could give. There is further nonsense, that AW and SK may not have mentioned X, Y or Z as they simply 'may not have been asked' - hook, line and sinker!
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It is a mess: Pages of waffle around what Luke claimed, which was not where he managed to get to in the time from going over the wall. We know this, heard in evidence, that both JaJ and SK had only walked around 10 - 15ft when Mitchell shouted out. This is from the V break. LM went over, AW held the leash, then and only then did JaJ and SK walk past the break, barely any distance and he had shouted out. LM had only walked roughly the same distance if even the same. As they darted back to the break when he shouted and he was there on the other side. He does not mention darting back. It is my opinion and a very strong one, that LM was at haste before the arrival of the police! He most definitely and proven to be so, no closer than around 25ft.
So and again there was no evidence led and none given directly in the book, that LM's claim to SL, that he had a "powerful search light" was true. Embellished once more to make claim that he could see wonders! It does not matter for LM had walked no more than 10f - 15ft on the other side of that wall. Every account he gave was from earlier in the evening, at and after the time of the murder.
It gets worse (or better?). The claims that any testing of visibility was wrong! As the comparisons were made in the daylight, pictures taken! So we have this "search light" claim as being better than natural daylight? And without doubt pictures taken with added camera light to bring out the best exposure. It really is a mess, a tangled web of attempting to cover up the actual evidence. Comparisons are just that, they compared what could be seen at night and in daytime. Every detail Mitchell gave was one which only the murderer could give. There is further nonsense, that AW and SK may not have mentioned X, Y or Z as they simply 'may not have been asked' - hook, line and sinker!
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Each witness and the accused are entitled to apply for all copies of anything pertaining to them. Statements, court testimony transcripts, interviews. This fiasco around the knives is such an area (in line with the agreement around Mitchells DNA). This knife that was "missing" to be handed into Beaumont was used in testimony against CM's honest and integrity. Is SL telling us that she has not seen CM's transcripts of her testimony, nor every part of her statements and interviews? Not discussed in full with each other? We can surely apply here, without doubt that these free entitlements were requested and obtained. (To note here also, that all of this can be shared publicly, it is their data)
Playing dumb around this or has CM not given SL full disclosure to her own data? It is really is hard to tell exactly what is at play here. If the author has full access to these then there can be no doubt that she knows the following:
Firstly that the police/Crown (As If?), attempted to connect any knife after the murder with it? Why is one putting out a false narrative around this, is she openly saying again that she has not had full disclosure from CM, from Luke? Or, Is it due to disclosure laws and data protection, that one may bank upon multiple areas of evidence not being able to be sourced?
In custody both CM and her son were asked about this "missing" knife (both knives, but we will go with the black handled one first). A receipt and pouch found with no knife to go with them, the type and picture of the knife sourced from these. Shown to both CM and her son, they did not know where the knife was. IB tells of Luke being asked, that of his not knowing and then 'If you have a picture you must have it' That mocking response. After being out of custody ones memory was claimed to have returned, CM sourced the knife from where it was hidden and handed it into the family lawyer (no doubt by advice from him to do so) Claiming that it had been in a bag beside the dogs food bowls. Not so as:
Pictures had been taken of the search and evidence heard from the search team. Where it was clearly shown that there had been no bag containing a knife beside those dogs bowls. CM was then asked and shown the same pictures, caught once more in that web of deceit? That honesty and integrity were in question here. Going from not knowing, to remembering, to handing it it and making false claims to where it had been. Going into detail of this search (AD), told CM that all of this had been searched inclusive of the food in the dogs bowls. She retorted that 'She would never put her dog in danger' Not the best response, as shown before the court was that unthinkable purchase of further dangerous weapons. Done so after such a brutal murder and claimed to be for camping. That this mother simply adhered to her sons many wants, not being a responsible adult and had no qualms around being dishonest.
The brown handled knife, the only knife claimed to be connected to the murder has never been found, it is still "missing". Several witnesses testifying and Identifying the type of knife it was, the one which LM carried with him most of the time. Believed to be the murder weapon. And shown very much so, to have been of size and type to carry out the injuries by Mitchell in the murder of his girlfriend.
And it has nothing to do with "truth and Justice" does it?
Another point for Lianna Mackie’s ‘Forensic Friday’ recent nonsense 🙄 (From around 3 days ago) who clearly doesn’t understand what circumstantial evidence is and of course Sandra Lean wouldn’t point this out
DNA IS circumstantial evidence Lianna Mackie
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It is a mess: Pages of waffle around what Luke claimed
Red Flag Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell won’t publish ALL his police statements/transcripts in full
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It is a mess: Pages of waffle around what Luke claimed, which was not where he managed to get to in the time from going over the wall. We know this, heard in evidence, that both JaJ and SK had only walked around 10 - 15ft when Mitchell shouted out. This is from the V break. LM went over, AW held the leash, then and only then did JaJ and SK walk past the break, barely any distance and he had shouted out. LM had only walked roughly the same distance if even the same. As they darted back to the break when he shouted and he was there on the other side. He does not mention darting back. It is my opinion and a very strong one, that LM was at haste before the arrival of the police! He most definitely and proven to be so, no closer than around 25ft.
So and again there was no evidence led and none given directly in the book, that LM's claim to SL, that he had a "powerful search light" was true. Embellished once more to make claim that he could see wonders! It does not matter for LM had walked no more than 10f - 15ft on the other side of that wall. Every account he gave was from earlier in the evening, at and after the time of the murder.
Wasn’t it once claimed that made up ‘powerful search light’ came from a ‘pack’ of torches?
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It is a mess:
And I suspect intentional 🙄
Did Sandra Lean mention the murder of Thomas McKendrick and related media articles in IB
of the sadistic psychopathic killer Allan Menzies ?
‘Menzies said he had been ordered to kill by Akasha, who appeared before him, and promised him immortality. "At the end of the day, I knew I would have to murder somebody anyway, so ... if you did not murder somebody you could not become a vampire," he told the court.
But three psychiatrists told the court that Menzies' psychopathic disorder was not a mental illness on which a conviction could be reduced from murder to culpable homicide on the ground of diminished responsibility.
The court was told that Menzies had a reputation for enjoying violence and sadism and, as a 14-year-old had been sentenced to three years for stabbing a fellow school pupil.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/nov/16/ukcrime.kirstyscott
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More manipulation 🙄
Sandra Lean (Around a week ago)
Sharon Cuthbertson Stevenson First of all, thank you for being so honest. I know many people have been afraid to admit they believed Luke, Jeremy and others were guilty purely based on media portrayals. But it's people like you, who are willing to take another look and decide for themselves, once they have seen all the facts, who will eventually bring about the changes we need in our justice systems - changes that will stop innocent people being robbed of decades of their lives and, in cases like Luke's, leaving the real killers walking among us.
Secondly, the murders for which Jeremy was convicted happened 20 years before Luke was convicted. Long before I became involved in this work, I knew there was something terribly wrong with Jeremy's case. I didn't understand, back then, HOW it could have gone so badly wrong, but I knew that it had.
Sandra Lean hasn’t commented publicly on psychopathic mass murderer, child killer, coercive controller and drug/date rapist Jeremy Bamber before now that I’m aware of - not in her own name at least, and we know she uses ‘false identities’, so it is possible as she still uses them.
And we also know she doesn’t appear phased by them given Stephen T Mannings numerous ‘false identities’ and smear campaigns - which were off the scale
Has Sandra Lean made any comment on Stephen T Mannings wife btw
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http://www.indymedia.ie/article/108140
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And I suspect intentional 🙄
Did Sandra Lean mention the murder of Thomas McKendrick and related media articles in IB
of the sadistic psychopathic killer Allan Menzies ?
‘Menzies said he had been ordered to kill by Akasha, who appeared before him, and promised him immortality. "At the end of the day, I knew I would have to murder somebody anyway, so ... if you did not murder somebody you could not become a vampire," he told the court.
But three psychiatrists told the court that Menzies' psychopathic disorder was not a mental illness on which a conviction could be reduced from murder to culpable homicide on the ground of diminished responsibility.
The court was told that Menzies had a reputation for enjoying violence and sadism and, as a 14-year-old had been sentenced to three years for stabbing a fellow school pupil.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/nov/16/ukcrime.kirstyscott
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3174214.stm
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=b85887a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/murderer-ate-friend-s-head-scottish-court-hears-1.501738
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/murderer-ate-friend-s-head-scottish-court-hears-1.501738
This ⬆️ cannibal killer put in a ‘special defence of incrimination’ like LM
’‘A man has admitted killing his friend, drinking his victim's blood and eating part of his head, a Scottish court heard today.
Mr Allan Menzies (22) is accused of murdering 21-year-old Thomas McKendrick in the West Lothian village on December 11th last year, and of burying him in a shallow grave.
Defence counsel Mr Donald MacLeod told the High Court in Edinburgh that his client, also known as Leon Menzies, denied both charges but offered a plea of guilty to culpable homicide for reasons of diminished responsibility, which was rejected by the Crown.
Mr Menzies' legal team also lodged a special defence of incrimination in respect of the second charge, of attempting to defeat the ends of justice, by claiming two other men sought to conceal the crime.
‘Luke Mitchell, 16, launched special defences of alibi and incrimination.
He says he was at home at the time Jodi is said to have died.
And he has blamed a person or persons unknown for the murder at a wooded area in Dalkeith, Midlothian. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL+%3A+DOUBLE+DEFENCE%3B+Mitchell+enters+not+guilty...-a0124547202
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3174214.stm
Note the BBC journo’s comment re ‘mental health’ 🙄 and Aamar Anwar’s nonsense 🙄
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It is a mess: Pages of waffle
My god - I’ve not long ago seen page 119 of IB shared by someone called Gayle Mingle seemingly originating from a Linsay Arthur
What a mess indeed but a predictable mess
And Gayle Mingle has also shared a photo of a page from the book with a message from Sandra Lean stating ‘thank you for caring’ 🙄
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Sandra Lean (yesterday)
’How can it only have been a year??? It feels like so much has changed, so many more people are now aware of the truth we'd been trying to get out there for almost 2 decades. I'm still in awe of the explosion of awareness and understanding that began at the end of February, just a year ago and in eternal gratitude to every single person who has picked up the baton and run with this information.
To Danielle Bbarclay, I want to say, you are one of those who have gone above and beyond - an absolute legend, tenaciously hounding down the facts, pulling the threads on the 18+years of media coverage - that takes guts, commitment and dedication.
Ronnie Mothersole, the decision about the cover was agonising - how to honour Jodi, emphasise the catastrophe that fell on Luke's family and still stay respectful to everyone involved? I will be forever grateful to the people who designed the cover for me - I think they struck exactly the right balance.
Julie Henretty, Michelle Dillon, Craig Moore - gone are the days when every book is available from a library, whether it's a public library or a college/university library. They are all restricted by budget and the perceived "popularity" of any book they have on their shelves or in their digital records. If they think a book is not going to be read by serious numbers of people, they have to justify their spending on more "popular" books.
It shouldn'tbe so, but it is the way it is.
Danielle Bbarclay (28th November 2021)
’As years go by from June 30th 2003 the topic of Luke Mitchell has risen a number of times, media reports of Lukes apparent behaviour, false statements condemning Luke's character and most of all the regurgitation of the lies that convicted Luke in 2005. Almost 20 years after Jodi was murdered the case and conviction is still being discussed, printed and even questioned from masses of people. Think of all the murderers, serial killers and child killers who have been convicted. Why is there not large groups of people speaking about how wrong these convictions are? Because with these cases there is no doubt in them the correct person is in prison...usually it is DNA and science which can conclude there is no doubt the person done the crime. The case of Luke Mitchell is solely based on circumstances but even these circumstances are flawed not solid, clear or definite. This in itself is dishonourable and wrong from the Scottish Justice System. ‘He did it because he must have’ is not what justice is.
The go to response from those who do believe justice has been served to those who either question Lukes's conviction or think he is innocent is ‘how disrespectful to Jodi’ and yes how disrespectful to Jodi indeed If being victim to such a horror attack is not bad enough then when it comes to serving her spirit and memory justice nothing is done to protect Jodi from the night her body lay out in the open rain all night right through to her boyfriend being sent to prison for doing something so unfathomable! If justice has truly been served as it has been plenty of time with so many evil people then there is a reason everyone is still being told about Jodi and Luke to this day. There are reasons people have written books, produced documentaries, created podcasts all over the world and speak out loud about the murder and conviction. Personally, I have yet to come across content such as a tv show showing us all how Luke is guilty...there can't be one as what would they have to show the public? CCTV? Pictures of Luke in Parka before 30th June 2003? Jodi's blood all over Lukes's home? Direct witness at the scene? There is nothing to prove Luke murdered Jodi at all in anyway shape or form as it is all assumed and made up. I for one have no connection to either Luke or Jodi but along with thousands of others I feel it is up to others to help defeat the lies and restore the memory of Jodi in a way no one has ever done for Jodi. All these negative headlines, all the articles damning Luke and making him out to be a monster...apart from ruining Lukes's life, for me that doesn’t hit me as hard as the thought of Jodi fighting for her life in those last minutes in attempt to protect herself against the evil and losing the battle. I want to help Jodi win and I know with the masses who think the same it can and will happen.
They assume Luke is the killer?
Then we need to KNOW for sure once and for all with today's technology and an independent investigation with no bias assumptions it is the only way to give Jodi the respect she has been entitled to since 30th June 2003.
I don't often say this on the group due to this groups aim to helping get an independent Investigation into the case for Luke and putting out the truth about Luke's story but Jodi is always remembered or referred to by the 'body' or the 'deceased' and that is sadly true in this murder case but this plea for an independent Investigation also includes Jodi's future I'll say it now.
Please share and educate everyone on this matter. Please help Jodi gain her well deserved Justice 💓 x
Sandra Lean
’What I cannot bear is that this was all done in my name - supposedly to protect me and my children - that applies to every single one of us. I've seen what was done to Jodi - that will stay with me forever. When this fight gets overwhelming, as it sometimes does, I only have to remember what it's all about. - what happened to Jodi and Luke could happen to anyone else (including my family and yours), because they failed to identify who was responsible and instead, cobbled together this narrative that disrespects Jodi in every way in its attempt to pin the murder on Luke.
For me, aside from the treatment of Jodi when she was found, the two dimensional portrayal of her throughout denies the very person she was. Jodi - the real person - has never been allowed to be seen in this supposed process of justice for her.
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Danielle Bbarclay (28th November 2021)
’As years go by from June 30th 2003 the topic of Luke Mitchell has risen a number of times, media reports of Lukes apparent behaviour, false statements condemning Luke's character and most of all the regurgitation of the lies that convicted Luke in 2005. Almost 20 years after Jodi was murdered the case and conviction is still being discussed, printed and even questioned from masses of people. Think of all the murderers, serial killers and child killers who have been convicted. Why is there not large groups of people speaking about how wrong these convictions are? Because with these cases there is no doubt in them the correct person is in prison...usually it is DNA and science which can conclude there is no doubt the person done the crime. The case of Luke Mitchell is solely based on circumstances but even these circumstances are flawed not solid, clear or definite. This in itself is dishonourable and wrong from the Scottish Justice System. ‘He did it because he must have’ is not what justice is.
Danielle Bbarclay appears to have no clue that DNA is circumstantial evidence too 🙄
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Danielle Bbarclay (28th November 2021)
’As years go by from June 30th 2003 the topic of Luke Mitchell has risen a number of times, media reports of Lukes apparent behaviour, false statements condemning Luke's character and most of all the regurgitation of the lies that convicted Luke in 2005. Almost 20 years after Jodi was murdered the case and conviction is still being discussed, printed and even questioned from masses of people. Think of all the murderers, serial killers and child killers who have been convicted. Why is there not large groups of people speaking about how wrong these convictions are? Because with these cases there is no doubt in them the correct person is in prison...usually it is DNA and science which can conclude there is no doubt the person done the crime. The case of Luke Mitchell is solely based on circumstances but even these circumstances are flawed not solid, clear or definite. This in itself is dishonourable and wrong from the Scottish Justice System. ‘He did it because he must have’ is not what justice is.
Danielle Bbarclay did not attend the 52 days of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder trial and has instead based the above on a biased book written by a women with form for attempting to dupe others 🙄
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Danielle Bbarclay (28th November 2021)
The go to response from those who do believe justice has been served to those who either question Lukes's conviction or think he is innocent is ‘how disrespectful to Jodi’ and yes how disrespectful to Jodi indeed
Her narcissism seemingly doesn’t allow Danielle Bbarclay to see just how disrespectful she has been and is being to [Name removed] and her loved ones
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Sandra Lean
’What I cannot bear is that this was all done in my name - supposedly to protect me and my children.[/color]
‘Children’ or child?
Who were Sandra Lean’s two daughters living with exactly in 2003 and where?
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Danielle Bbarclay (28th November 2021)
’As years go by from June 30th 2003 the topic of Luke Mitchell has risen a number of times, media reports of Lukes apparent behaviour, false statements condemning Luke's character and most of all the regurgitation of the lies that convicted Luke in 2005. Almost 20 years after Jodi was murdered the case and conviction is still being discussed, printed and even questioned from masses of people. Think of all the murderers, serial killers and child killers who have been convicted. Why is there not large groups of people speaking about how wrong these convictions are?
Was Danielle Bbarclay not aware of innocence fraud (And forums like this one) before watching the one side, biased TV show on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell?
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Matt Elliott
3 times at the phone records lol
Sandra Lean
Stuart Reid And then another three times ... and repeat. Writing that chapter was possibly the biggest brain fry I've every experienced!!!
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Julie Henretty
‘This book is full of all the facts that, sadly, were not made available to the jury at the trial. It should be in every school and college library in Scotland so that students could find out what a dreadful miscarriage of justice was suffered by a 15 year old boy.
Unless Julie Henretty sat through each and every day of killer Luke’s Mitchell’s murder trial and heard all what was presented and was aware of why certain facts weren’t, she simply doesn’t have a clue
And I doubt she’ll know much as all, if anything about the innocence fraud campaign’s Sandra Lean has been involved in promoting
Does Sandra Lean make it clear to her readers she didn’t sit though each and every day of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
Does her book make it clear Corinne Mitchell didn’t sit through her sons entire murder trial ?
Does her book tell her readers on what day Corinne gave evidence and how many days of evidence she missed?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4188339.stm
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Does her book make it clear Corinne Mitchell didn’t sit through her sons entire murder trial ?
Does her book tell her readers on what day Corinne gave evidence and how many days of evidence she missed?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s murder trial began early November 2004
Corinne Mitchell didn’t give evidence until mid January 2005
‘Jurors were told to forget anything they might have read or seen about the killing
The judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, warned that jurors must keep an open mind and be "free from prejudice and extraneous influence".
‘Lord Nimmo Smith continued: "Once that has been done, the jury become the judges of the facts in the trial. All their decisions about the facts must be based on the evidence which they hear in the course of the trial and on nothing else.
"All the members of the jury must be able to put out of their minds anything that they think they may remember having heard or read or seen about this case."
At one point, Mr Findlay objected to a woman who lived in the Dalkeith area, fearing that she might know some of the witnesses.
Lord Nimmo Smith said that with no reflection at all on the woman, she should be asked to stand down.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121021080022/http://www.scotsman.com/news/boyfriend-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-jodi-jones-1-561719
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Did Sandra Lean include a copy of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s psychiatric report in her book and if not why not?
‘Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, produced a psychiatric report in which Mitchell said his mother was quick-tempered and described himself as having a 'short fuse'.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DID+NOT+COVER+UP+FOR+LUKE+OVER+JODI%3B+Mum%27s+denial+in+murder+trial-a0127122255
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How many fires in the back garden of the Mitchell’s does Sandra Lean refer to her book?
And does Sandra Lean say what time Corrine Mitchell was allegedly ‘trimming’ the ‘pampas grass’ and whether or not it was raining when she was allegedly trimming it?
’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
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’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
Did Corinne Mitchell mention trimming pampas grass to the police during her statements/interviews or did she only introduce this at the trial?
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Julie Henretty
‘This book is full of all the facts that, sadly, were not made available to the jury at the trial. It should be in every school and college library in Scotland so that students could find out what a dreadful miscarriage of justice was suffered by a 15 year old boy.
If Sandra Lean’s book is ‘full of all the facts’ then where are all the answers to the questions posed?
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I have noticed how SL has mocked the use of this wall, why? When she herself uses much more 'amateur' dramatics to tell her tall tales - the added arms and legs.
Like when Sandra Lean used that supposed white towel to mop up her alleged red wine spillage and attempted to pass water off as blood 🙄
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Danielle Bbarclay did not attend the 52 days of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder trial and has instead based the above on a biased book written by a women with form for attempting to dupe others 🙄
Significant updates have been made to Part 1 of the UK Innocence Fraud news series which includes publication of a copy of the prosecutions closing speech
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Further updates to Part 1 will be made before Part 2 is published
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Significant updates have been made to Part 1 of the UK Innocence Fraud news series which includes publication of a copy of the prosecutions closing speech
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Further updates to Part 1 will be made before Part 2 is published
Updates continue https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
Part 2 includes innocence fraud enabler & charlatan Sandra Lean
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’Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell's freedom bid backed by Tory council candidate sparking fury
“I’m genuinely sorry for this. I had seen some information in the documentary which I believed without checking the sources”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchells-26542169?_ga=2.166577597.2046892005.1648417085-1743779197.1648417082
’Jodi Jones family hit out at Tory politician after she backs Luke Mitchell's freedom bid
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/jodi-jones-family-hit-out-23484313
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’Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell's freedom bid backed by Tory council candidate sparking fury
“I’m genuinely sorry for this. I had seen some information in the documentary which I believed without checking the sources”
Part 2 of the UK Innocence Fraud news series will include ‘Innocence Fraud enabler, propagandist, charlatan and hornswoggler Sandra Lean’
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Moron Scott Forbes
Malcolm X
@scforbes1965
Replying to
@EdinburghLive_
What a Facebook post from months ago is 'news'. Jane Hamilton helped stitch up a school boy for a murder he did Not commit. As for the 'quote' from the Jones family member..that came right out of Hamiltons mouth. Jones family don't speak like that
1:13 PM · Mar 24, 2022·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/scforbes1965/status/1506982500379373574
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He is far from a moron
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He is far from a moron
He appears lacking in general common sense
And if he’d bothered to carry out his due diligence he’d have known Jane Hamilton did not work for the Daily Record when [Name removed] was murdered by Luke Mitchell therefore his statement “Jane Hamilton helped stitch up a school boy for a murder he did Not commit” makes him look and sound like a moron!
Significant updates continue to be made here
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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He appears lacking in general common sense
And if he’d bothered to carry out his due diligence he’d have known Jane Hamilton did not work for the Daily Record when [Name removed] was murdered by Luke Mitchell
I'm sure he is will address this and much more in his new book Long Walk to Justice. She features heavily 8(0(*
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I'm sure he is will address this and much more in his new book Long Walk to Justice. She features heavily 8(0(*
‘She’ still isn’t telling her followers DNA is circumstantial evidence
Sandra Lean
Assilem Enryb Yes, I do - there are so many more sensitive techniques now, I believe many of the "no reportable results" from back then could produce reportable results today. We have the means to have the testing carried out - what we need is access to the samples ... and that's where the difficulty lies.
I've said many, many times, if the authorities are utterly convinced that their conviction is safe, what do they have to lose by releasing those samples? It would prove their point once and for all, bring closure to all concerned and remove the doubts and questions lingering all these years later. So why not just release them for testing? Unless ....
She’s said nothing about the fact none of the DNA can be dated for example
And she’s said nothing about the fact it can’t be known how and when the DNA was deposited
Did she say in her book when [Name removed] last bathed or showered and who’s towel she used for example?
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She features heavily 8(0(*
‘She features heavily’ in Part 2 of the UK Innocence Fraud news series too 8((()*/
Significant updates are still being made
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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Someone has today emailed a copy of Sandra Lean’s chapter on killer Simon Hall for her smoke and mirrors book
Who told Sandra Lean - bottom of page 70
‘although full forensics examination of the house had not yet been carried out’ ?
Was this Lynne Hall or Stephanie Bon?
Sandra Lean claimed,
‘Therefore, the house and its contents are likely to have been contaminated by Mrs Hall, and the officers’
She was referring to the 8th January 2002 when Lynne Hall was taken to the crime scene to see if anything had been stolen
Joan Albert’s body, where fibres were found on her bare skin, had been removed weeks before
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Someone has today emailed a copy of Sandra Lean’s chapter on killer Simon Hall for her smoke and mirrors book
Who told Sandra Lean - bottom of page 70
‘although full forensics examination of the house had not yet been carried out’ ?
Was this Lynne Hall or Stephanie Bon?
Sandra Lean claimed,
‘Therefore, the house and its contents are likely to have been contaminated by Mrs Hall, and the officers’
She was referring to the 8th January 2002 when Lynne Hall was taken to the crime scene to see if anything had been stolen
Joan Albert’s body, where fibres were found on her bare skin, had been removed weeks before
And guess what
2nd sentence following the above.
‘No DNA linking Simon to the crime scene or the victim has ever been produced.
‘A quantity of black flock fibres, commonly used in the production of velvet or velour clothing, along with a smaller quantity of green polyester fibres were found on Joan’s body,
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And guess what
2nd sentence following the above.
‘No DNA linking Simon to the crime scene or the victim has ever been produced.
‘A quantity of black flock fibres, commonly used in the production of velvet or velour clothing, along with a smaller quantity of green polyester fibres were found on Joan’s body,
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And 5 paras on from the above
‘In other words, the fibres found at the scene of Mrs Albert’s murder could have a perfectly innocent explanation, in that Lynne Hall may have transferred fibres between the various locations
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Someone has today emailed a copy of Sandra Lean’s chapter on killer Simon Hall for her smoke and mirrors book
Who told Sandra Lean - bottom of page 70
‘although full forensics examination of the house had not yet been carried out’ ?
Was this Lynne Hall or Stephanie Bon?
Would like to see what transcripts Sandra Lean was allegedly reading when she came across the above - if ever *&^^&
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‘She’ still isn’t telling her followers DNA is circumstantial evidence
Sandra Lean
Assilem Enryb Yes, I do - there are so many more sensitive techniques now, I believe many of the "no reportable results" from back then could produce reportable results today. We have the means to have the testing carried out - what we need is access to the samples ... and that's where the difficulty lies.
I've said many, many times, if the authorities are utterly convinced that their conviction is safe, what do they have to lose by releasing those samples? It would prove their point once and for all, bring closure to all concerned and remove the doubts and questions lingering all these years later. So why not just release them for testing? Unless ....
She’s said nothing about the fact none of the DNA can be dated for example
And she’s said nothing about the fact it can’t be known how and when the DNA was deposited
Did she say in her book when [Name removed] last bathed or showered and who’s towel she used for example?
When will Sandra Lean tell her duped followers those ‘samples’ she refers to will prove absolutely nothing
And won’t ever erase facts like killer Luke Mitchell knowing what [Name removed] was wearing that night
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He appears lacking in general common sense
And if he’d bothered to carry out his due diligence he’d have known Jane Hamilton did not work for the Daily Record when [Name removed] was murdered by Luke Mitchell therefore his statement “Jane Hamilton helped stitch up a school boy for a murder he did Not commit” makes him look and sound like a moron!
Significant updates continue to be made here https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/12/19/wrongful-convictions-miscarriages-of-justice-innocence-fraud-whats-the-difference/
There is quite a large and obvious flaw in your reply but will leave you to investigate that
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There is quite a large and obvious flaw in your reply but will leave you to investigate that
What’s the ‘large and obvious flaw’?
The Judge directed the jury to ignore what they might have seen and heard in the media
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‘Jurors were told to forget anything they might have read or seen about the killing
The judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, warned that jurors must keep an open mind and be "free from prejudice and extraneous influence".
‘Lord Nimmo Smith continued: "Once that has been done, the jury become the judges of the facts in the trial. All their decisions about the facts must be based on the evidence which they hear in the course of the trial and on nothing else.
"All the members of the jury must be able to put out of their minds anything that they think they may remember having heard or read or seen about this case."
At one point, Mr Findlay objected to a woman who lived in the Dalkeith area, fearing that she might know some of the witnesses.
Lord Nimmo Smith said that with no reflection at all on the woman, she should be asked to stand down.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121021080022/http://www.scotsman.com/news/boyfriend-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-jodi-jones-1-561719
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What’s the ‘large and obvious flaw’?
The Judge directed the jury to ignore what they might have seen and heard in the media
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Maybe If you can't see the flaw then you should check your source?
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Maybe If you can't see the flaw then you should check your source?
Jane Hamilton was not on the jury of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder trial either
‘Jurors were told to forget anything they might have read or seen about the killing
The judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, warned that jurors must keep an open mind and be "free from prejudice and extraneous influence".
‘Lord Nimmo Smith continued: "Once that has been done, the jury become the judges of the facts in the trial. All their decisions about the facts must be based on the evidence which they hear in the course of the trial and on nothing else.
"All the members of the jury must be able to put out of their minds anything that they think they may remember having heard or read or seen about this case."
At one point, Mr Findlay objected to a woman who lived in the Dalkeith area, fearing that she might know some of the witnesses.
Lord Nimmo Smith said that with no reflection at all on the woman, she should be asked to stand down.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121021080022/http://www.scotsman.com/news/boyfriend-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-jodi-jones-1-561719
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Is this from the book?
”The Changing of the Statements.
Luke Mitchell
Luke’s statement: Luke claimed to have had a text from Jodi from her mums phone to say she’d be “down later”. Luke took ‘later’ to mean after 5.30pm as he cooked dinner for the family most week days, Jodi was aware of this, so it was the norm for him to meet Jodi, and/or other friends, around, or after 6pm.
At 5.32pm Luke called Jodi’s landline to tell her he’d had dinner and was out. The call didn’t connect, he tried again at 5.40pm, AO (Jodi’s mum’s partner) answered and said Jodi had left (or ‘just’ left). Luke waited around a bit but by 7pm Jodi still hadn’t turned up so Luke called his mum and said if she came to the house, to tell her to go to the Abbey (popular hangout spot) and meet him there. He then headed there and met his friends.
At 10.38pm Luke received a text from JuJ meant for Jodi, telling her to get home, and she was grounded again. Luke called her back straight away to say he hadn’t seen Jodi.
At 10.49pm JuJ called Luke upset to say they couldn’t find Jodi and were calling the police. Luke, a 14 year old child at the time, on a school night, insisted he was going to walk up to the house via Roan’s Dyke path and see if he could find Jodi. He’d bring her home if he did, or let the adults decide what to do if he didn’t.
At 10.59pm JuJ called Luke, he informed herhe was at the Newbattle end of the secluded path and was walking up with his dog, Mia.
Luke claims to have walked up the path quickly with Mia. He didn’t find Jodi, and, at the top of the path at the junction of Roans Dyke and Lady Path, met Jodi’s Gran (AW), Jodi’s sister (JaJ) and JaJ’s boyfriend (SK). They are known as ‘The Search Trio’. AW suggested that as Luke hadn’t seen Jodi on the way up, they would all walk back down again and have another look.
Mia the dog was being trained as a tracker dog and Luke asked if anyone had anything of Jodi’s for her to get a scent. They didn’t. Luke then informed Mia to “Seek Jodi, find Jodi” essentially putting the dog into ‘tracker mode’. The search trio and Luke then made their way back down the path.
On the way down the path, Mia showed interest at a couple of areas, and Luke followed. There is a point on Roan Dykes path, which has a wall around 7ft tall down one side, where the wall has a break in it, known as the ‘V’. After the V, Mia suddenly stood up against the wall and began sniffing the air, indicating she had found something. Luke doubled back because he couldn’t get over the wall at the point Mia was reacting, handed the lead to AW, climbed through the V and walked down a little behind the wall, where he declared “I think there’s something here”
At this point, SK climbed over the wall, then returned distressed. AW wanted to see for herself so Luke and SK helped her over the wall. AW then began to scream, and hearing this, JaJ began to scream too.
At 11.35pm, Luke placed a 999 call. He told the operator they had found something and asked the police to hurry. They then helped AW back over the wall.
At 11.38pm Luke’s phone rang, it was the police asking exactly where he was.
At 11.55pm, one of the first police officers on the scene radioed in to confirm they had found a body.
When Luke and the search trio got back up to the Easthouses end of the path, Luke was asked to get into the back of a police jeep with Mia. The search trio were left to mingle with other family members who had made their way to the car park. Luke, at 14, was taken to the police station for questioning, with no adult present.
How Luke’s Statement Changed: It didn’t. “
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Is this from the book?
”The Changing of the Statements.
Luke Mitchell
Luke’s statement: Luke claimed to have had a text from Jodi from her mums phone to say she’d be “down later”. Luke took ‘later’ to mean after 5.30pm as he cooked dinner for the family most week days, Jodi was aware of this, so it was the norm for him to meet Jodi, and/or other friends, around, or after 6pm.
At 5.32pm Luke called Jodi’s landline to tell her he’d had dinner and was out. The call didn’t connect, he tried again at 5.40pm, AO (Jodi’s mum’s partner) answered and said Jodi had left (or ‘just’ left). Luke waited around a bit but by 7pm Jodi still hadn’t turned up so Luke called his mum and said if she came to the house, to tell her to go to the Abbey (popular hangout spot) and meet him there. He then headed there and met his friends.
At 10.38pm Luke received a text from JuJ meant for Jodi, telling her to get home, and she was grounded again. Luke called her back straight away to say he hadn’t seen Jodi.
At 10.49pm JuJ called Luke upset to say they couldn’t find Jodi and were calling the police. Luke, a 14 year old child at the time, on a school night, insisted he was going to walk up to the house via Roan’s Dyke path and see if he could find Jodi. He’d bring her home if he did, or let the adults decide what to do if he didn’t.
At 10.59pm JuJ called Luke, he informed herhe was at the Newbattle end of the secluded path and was walking up with his dog, Mia.
Luke claims to have walked up the path quickly with Mia. He didn’t find Jodi, and, at the top of the path at the junction of Roans Dyke and Lady Path, met Jodi’s Gran (AW), Jodi’s sister (JaJ) and JaJ’s boyfriend (SK). They are known as ‘The Search Trio’. AW suggested that as Luke hadn’t seen Jodi on the way up, they would all walk back down again and have another look.
Mia the dog was being trained as a tracker dog and Luke asked if anyone had anything of Jodi’s for her to get a scent. They didn’t. Luke then informed Mia to “Seek Jodi, find Jodi” essentially putting the dog into ‘tracker mode’. The search trio and Luke then made their way back down the path.
On the way down the path, Mia showed interest at a couple of areas, and Luke followed. There is a point on Roan Dykes path, which has a wall around 7ft tall down one side, where the wall has a break in it, known as the ‘V’. After the V, Mia suddenly stood up against the wall and began sniffing the air, indicating she had found something. Luke doubled back because he couldn’t get over the wall at the point Mia was reacting, handed the lead to AW, climbed through the V and walked down a little behind the wall, where he declared “I think there’s something here”
At this point, SK climbed over the wall, then returned distressed. AW wanted to see for herself so Luke and SK helped her over the wall. AW then began to scream, and hearing this, JaJ began to scream too.
At 11.35pm, Luke placed a 999 call. He told the operator they had found something and asked the police to hurry. They then helped AW back over the wall.
At 11.38pm Luke’s phone rang, it was the police asking exactly where he was.
At 11.55pm, one of the first police officers on the scene radioed in to confirm they had found a body.
When Luke and the search trio got back up to the Easthouses end of the path, Luke was asked to get into the back of a police jeep with Mia. The search trio were left to mingle with other family members who had made their way to the car park. Luke, at 14, was taken to the police station for questioning, with no adult present.
How Luke’s Statement Changed: It didn’t. “
There is no requirement for an adult to be present when the individual is merely a witness. That changes immediately when upgraded to a suspect.
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There is no requirement for an adult to be present when the individual is merely a witness. That changes immediately when upgraded to a suspect.
“Luke, at 14, was taken to the police station for questioning, with no adult present”
‘Adults’ were present
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Who told Sandra Lean - bottom of page 70
‘although full forensics examination of the house had not yet been carried out’ ?
Was this Lynne Hall or Stephanie Bon?
LAWS31062 Miscarriages of Justice Claire McGourlay 2018-2019
By Claire Mcgourlay
an academic
Andrew Green and Fintan Walker also involved in course delivery
Actual innocence: when justice goes wrong and how to make it right - Jim Dwyer, Peter Neufeld, Barry Scheck 2003
Book Not essential reading but a good overview of the USA system
Innocents betrayed: a true story of justice abandoned - Sandra Lean 2018
Book Further
Informative Pre-course Reading 2 items
These are not hard books to read and should give you a sense of what the course will be about.
The secret barrister: stories of the law and how it's broken 2018
Book Also available as an eBook via VLE books - follow the 'Online Resource' link
Guilty until proven innocent: the crisis in our justice system - Jon Robbins 2018
Book Also available as an EBSCO eBook - follow the 'Online Resource' link
https://manchester.rl.talis.com/lists/778B24E0-BE72-A647-1228-AC3012287E29.html
Stephanie Bon was a source for Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
Excerpts below ⬇️ from copies of an 18th September 2006 email from Stephanie Bon to Andrew Green
Stephanie Bon Cc’d in Michael Naughton
’Hello Andrew
‘I have been contacted a quite few times by people in our situation whom I always redirect to you, also people who are interested in volunteering and again, I have referred them to you
‘I had an email last week from a girl from Suffolk (near me); her brother has been arrested by the same detective as Simon and Michael Heath is also the pathologist for the prosecution… there seems to be a pattern emerging… As the case is awaiting trial she wasn’t able to give me too much information on it but in her words, everything is circumstantial… Anyway, as I said, I offered my support as always and advised her to contact you and Innocent
‘I was just wondering if it could be good to perhaps try and organise some kind of family support days, perhaps once a month (or more or less dunno yet), initially, just to support people morally maybe? Who knows we could get a guest once in a while, someone with knowledge, even if just to reassure people that they are not alone. We could pass on Innocent details, promote the Innocence Project and generally show people that there is help out there if you know where to look. I know that when I started it too ages to find you and Ann and it’s thanks to you two, I am here today. I would hate to know of anyone struggling on their own, been there, done that.. it’s tough. I know that in our case Simon’s parents are completely lost, have no faith and don’t think that anyone is here to help, I know better and this is why I run the campaign
The ‘girl’ mentioned above was most likely a women - killer Kevin Nunn’s sister
‘Ann’ written about here by (Andrew Green) https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2010/jul/25/ann-craven-obituary
‘INNOCENT
Based in Manchester, INNOCENT was formed in 1993 and by members of families and friends of prisoners believed to be wrongly convicted. It has supported appeal cases and made submissions to the CCRC (innocent.org.uk).
We speak for victims of miscarriages of justice who are applicants to the CCRC, a group of people whose voices are not otherwise heard. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmhaff/1635/1635we08.htm
‘Dr Andrew Green, Co-Founder of INNOCENT and United Against Injustice (UAI), said: “We, who have for many years tried to help innocent people in prison and their families to challenge the wrongful convictions of which they are all victims, have long felt a desperate need for a concise explanation of the appeals process and how prosecution cases might be effectively challenged. I and colleagues in innocent prisoner support and campaigning organisations welcome the publication of this book, which will be of great assistance to us and to prisoners and their families.”
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/news/2010/189.html
‘Innocent’ was formed in the UK the year after Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld founded the US Innocence Project
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Stephanie Bon was a source for Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
Excerpts below ⬇️ from copies of an 18th September 2006 email from Stephanie Bon to Andrew Green
Stephanie Bon Cc’d in Michael Naughton
’Hello Andrew
‘I have been contacted a quite few times by people in our situation whom I always redirect to you, also people who are interested in volunteering and again, I have referred them to you
‘I had an email last week from a girl from Suffolk (near me); her brother has been arrested by the same detective as Simon and Michael Heath is also the pathologist for the prosecution… there seems to be a pattern emerging… As the case is awaiting trial she wasn’t able to give me too much information on it but in her words, everything is circumstantial… Anyway, as I said, I offered my support as always and advised her to contact you and Innocent
‘I was just wondering if it could be good to perhaps try and organise some kind of family support days, perhaps once a month (or more or less dunno yet), initially, just to support people morally maybe? Who knows we could get a guest once in a while, someone with knowledge, even if just to reassure people that they are not alone. We could pass on Innocent details, promote the Innocence Project and generally show people that there is help out there if you know where to look. I know that when I started it too ages to find you and Ann and it’s thanks to you two, I am here today. I would hate to know of anyone struggling on their own, been there, done that.. it’s tough. I know that in our case Simon’s parents are completely lost, have no faith and don’t think that anyone is here to help, I know better and this is why I run the campaign
‘…Just to support people morally’
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https://www.narcissisticabuserehab.com/darvo/
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Sandra Lean
Whatever your thoughts on the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard court proceedings, surely this should have brought the whole thing to a halt? A doctored image, passed to AH's legal team by a journalist during live proceedings, in order to get a JD witness excluded. You read that right - a doctored image, passed during live proceedings, being passed off as genuine. What's the point of courts and rules, if this sort of thing is allowed?
https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10224095277902333/
*&^^&
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Sandra Lean
Whatever your thoughts on the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard court proceedings, surely this should have brought the whole thing to a halt?A doctored image, passed to AH's legal team by a journalist during live proceedings, in order to get a JD witness excluded. You read that right - a doctored image, passed during live proceedings, being passed off as genuine. What's the point of courts and rules, if this sort of thing is allowed?
https://www.facebook.com/1011563515/posts/10224095277902333/
*&^^&
Really?
Back in *reality*
Sandra Lean doesn’t have a clue what the image was
But of course only someone like her would make the false claim (twice) that it’s been ‘doctored’ - without seeing it *&^^&
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https://twitter.com/askmadness/status/1518467251153903617
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Really?
Back in *reality*
Sandra Lean doesn’t have a clue what the image was
But of course only someone like her would make the false claim (twice) that it’s been ‘doctored’ - without seeing it *&^^&
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https://twitter.com/askmadness/status/1518467251153903617
It’s unlikely Eve Barlow, from Giffnock, a suburb of Glasgow in Scotland, will be able to address Sandra Lean’s claim of showing Amber Heard’s legal team ‘a doctored image’ until *after* the libel trial
The ‘witness’ Sandra Lean was referring to - Gina Deuters - posted to instagram on the 12th April 2022 https://twitter.com/askmadness/status/1518467251153903617 the trial started on the 11th April
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Part 2 of the UK Innocence Fraud news series will include ‘Innocence Fraud enabler, propagandist, charlatan and hornswoggler Sandra Lean’
Parts 3 & 4 are up - Part 5 dropping soon
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/3744
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Sandra Lean
…meantime, murderers are left to walk free among us.
I agree - Billy Middleton being one such murderer
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I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it. Your Innocence Fraud work.
On another note and still very much in line with Innocence Fraud and of your other link around narcissism and the blame game. Firstly of course LM that manipulator who was of course outsmarted by the police which in turn will have him never admit guilt. He will forever manipulate in his attempt to prove himself smarter, superior and intellectually above. And those clear similar natures who do the exact same. Every action is carried out in that attempt to place themselves intellectually above all else. That each and every action should it cause harm to others is by fault of others. That 'they made me do it' syndrome. IF the police had did this, IF the law was like this - --
By far the biggest give away in that attempt to place themselves as simply superior is that repetition of - The defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their back that they caught fast the zip one has placed up it.
Ah yes, manipulators where of course Mr Forbes is being used by Mitchell for another purpose, does not quite hit the mark of manipulation out with being manipulated by Mitchell to do his bidding, but certainly has that drive to be noticed and to be correct. I have absolutely no idea where 'planet fantasy' is but the population has found itself a new leader!
I neither have any idea what he is professionally (cough), perhaps Dexter can shed some light? It does not however matter for he brings with him excellent news. That there was not likely to have been nor never will be some wonderful new legal team of bodies reviewing Mitchells case, far less doing anything with it. That other front of course in this plight for support to push for an independent review, is of course just that. These people know there is not chance in hell of this happening, they know that every form of manipulation, those lies and accusations may fool some, but they will never fool those where it actually counts. Proper intellectual bodies who will first and foremost look at everything that has already come to pass before even considering such a thing. And the actions of the accusers of course, that every single thing that they are hiding and burying can not be hidden nor buried, from again, people that actually count.
Further excellent news is of course around Mitchells latest actions, for they are his. Carrying out in part what he claimed was going to happen last year, that of releasing certain areas from his defence papers. Not of course that which should and could always have been released legally (the hiding of the truth will remain so), but anything legal or otherwise to use in this attack upon innocent people. The complete opposite of what Mitchell fronted last year, of not wanting others to be treated as he was (claimed).
Whilst there is no longer any legal requirement to admit guilt thus carry out any rehabilitation against offence, there has to be that of exemplary character and of victim empathy courses. Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category. It is just under two years until that first application can be placed with the parole board, where is LM just now? Certainly not in an open prison or well under way to being rehabilitated for life on the outside, is he? And these latest actions and attempts of solely given someone his defence papers to breach laws is not going to fair well, is it?
A final thought for now. So those who have joined this support who are still NOT requesting that everything that could and should have been legally disclosed, should be done. Every single thing pertaining directly to LM and his mother. Every single word of every statement/interview along with CM's full court testimony. But there is also something else here and that of funding and what you are being told It could be used for. Here is something that it should already have been used for, stemming back to the days of the WAP, from funds obtained then.
But let us run through who first of all has had anything to do with the original forensics, those tests and results. We start with the experts who first carried these out. We move to the police who had expert advice on each and every test and report. We move to the Crown and more of the same then we move to Mitchells defence. Everything in order and labelled correctly. These team of professional bodies who deal with forensics and reports, day in and out, year after year. People who have the type of grasp on such things that us mere mortals could only dream of having. DF and any expert advice he was given and the agreement he DID make with the Crown.
We move on to SL and those claims of them being in a mess, that it took years to try and match samples to the correct report, different labs and labelling and so forth. With me so far? That application into the SCCRC who in turn had experts in their field (independent), review those original tests and results, advised and carried out testing from their expertise on viable areas to test! They go back to Mitchell, to SL and she still claims they were in a mess, that by the time of IB going to print that she had still NOT managed to match every sample to the correct report!
Bypass the manipulation, that need to play dumb for purpose of said manipulation, ok? You the supporters have ploughed your monies in. All you need is permission from the person you are supporting, namely Luke Mitchell. No major red tape. Pay for an independent expert in the field of forensics to sort, match, review in full those original tests and further ones by the SCCRC, then get this independent person to give a full independent review of their findings!
In short, everything that could and should already have been done should be done. You are repeatedly told those words over and over. If there is nothing to hide, if there is nothing to be afraid of? - Get those statements, every word of them out there and get those forensics independently reviewed. You seek the truth well get it out there and start again. Not that you of course do not believe Ms Lean nor Mr Forbes, nor Mitchell of course. But be real, there is NOT going to be a new full independent review. This is 2022 and you are being had! Re-testing? This is NOT a cold case, items are NOT retained for ever. I would very much doubt there was anything there in 2018 when that begging bowl first went out, this is 2022 - wake up.
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I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it.
Part 5 is now up https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
Part 6 dropping soon
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Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category
Agreed & Luke Mitchell’s prison security report will be regularly updated
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I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it. Your Innocence Fraud work.
On another note and still very much in line with Innocence Fraud and of your other link around narcissism and the blame game. Firstly of course LM that manipulator who was of course outsmarted by the police which in turn will have him never admit guilt. He will forever manipulate in his attempt to prove himself smarter, superior and intellectually above. And those clear similar natures who do the exact same. Every action is carried out in that attempt to place themselves intellectually above all else. That each and every action should it cause harm to others is by fault of others. That 'they made me do it' syndrome. IF the police had did this, IF the law was like this - --
By far the biggest give away in that attempt to place themselves as simply superior is that repetition of - The defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their back that they caught fast the zip one has placed up it.
Ah yes, manipulators where of course Mr Forbes is being used by Mitchell for another purpose, does not quite hit the mark of manipulation out with being manipulated by Mitchell to do his bidding, but certainly has that drive to be noticed and to be correct. I have absolutely no idea where 'planet fantasy' is but the population has found itself a new leader!
I neither have any idea what he is professionally (cough), perhaps Dexter can shed some light? It does not however matter for he brings with him excellent news. That there was not likely to have been nor never will be some wonderful new legal team of bodies reviewing Mitchells case, far less doing anything with it. That other front of course in this plight for support to push for an independent review, is of course just that. These people know there is not chance in hell of this happening, they know that every form of manipulation, those lies and accusations may fool some, but they will never fool those where it actually counts. Proper intellectual bodies who will first and foremost look at everything that has already come to pass before even considering such a thing. And the actions of the accusers of course, that every single thing that they are hiding and burying can not be hidden nor buried, from again, people that actually count.
Further excellent news is of course around Mitchells latest actions, for they are his. Carrying out in part what he claimed was going to happen last year, that of releasing certain areas from his defence papers. Not of course that which should and could always have been released legally (the hiding of the truth will remain so), but anything legal or otherwise to use in this attack upon innocent people. The complete opposite of what Mitchell fronted last year, of not wanting others to be treated as he was (claimed).
Whilst there is no longer any legal requirement to admit guilt thus carry out any rehabilitation against offence, there has to be that of exemplary character and of victim empathy courses. Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category. It is just under two years until that first application can be placed with the parole board, where is LM just now? Certainly not in an open prison or well under way to being rehabilitated for life on the outside, is he? And these latest actions and attempts of solely given someone his defence papers to breach laws is not going to fair well, is it?
A final thought for now. So those who have joined this support who are still NOT requesting that everything that could and should have been legally disclosed, should be done. Every single thing pertaining directly to LM and his mother. Every single word of every statement/interview along with CM's full court testimony. But there is also something else here and that of funding and what you are being told It could be used for. Here is something that it should already have been used for, stemming back to the days of the WAP, from funds obtained then.
But let us run through who first of all has had anything to do with the original forensics, those tests and results. We start with the experts who first carried these out. We move to the police who had expert advice on each and every test and report. We move to the Crown and more of the same then we move to Mitchells defence. Everything in order and labelled correctly. These team of professional bodies who deal with forensics and reports, day in and out, year after year. People who have the type of grasp on such things that us mere mortals could only dream of having. DF and any expert advice he was given and the agreement he DID make with the Crown.
We move on to SL and those claims of them being in a mess, that it took years to try and match samples to the correct report, different labs and labelling and so forth. With me so far? That application into the SCCRC who in turn had experts in their field (independent), review those original tests and results, advised and carried out testing from their expertise on viable areas to test! They go back to Mitchell, to SL and she still claims they were in a mess, that by the time of IB going to print that she had still NOT managed to match every sample to the correct report!
Bypass the manipulation, that need to play dumb for purpose of said manipulation, ok? You the supporters have ploughed your monies in. All you need is permission from the person you are supporting, namely Luke Mitchell. No major red tape. Pay for an independent expert in the field of forensics to sort, match, review in full those original tests and further ones by the SCCRC, then get this independent person to give a full independent review of their findings!
Referemce to playing ‘dumb’ in Part 5 of Quite A Hall Tale - lot more of this behaviour to come in following Parts
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Parts 3 & 4 are up - Part 5 dropping soon
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/3744
Part 4 recently updated
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I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it. Your Innocence Fraud work.
On another note and still very much in line with Innocence Fraud and of your other link around narcissism and the blame game. Firstly of course LM that manipulator who was of course outsmarted by the police which in turn will have him never admit guilt. He will forever manipulate in his attempt to prove himself smarter, superior and intellectually above. And those clear similar natures who do the exact same. Every action is carried out in that attempt to place themselves intellectually above all else. That each and every action should it cause harm to others is by fault of others. That 'they made me do it' syndrome. IF the police had did this, IF the law was like this - --
By far the biggest give away in that attempt to place themselves as simply superior is that repetition of - The defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their back that they caught fast the zip one has placed up it.
Ah yes, manipulators where of course Mr Forbes is being used by Mitchell for another purpose, does not quite hit the mark of manipulation out with being manipulated by Mitchell to do his bidding, but certainly has that drive to be noticed and to be correct. I have absolutely no idea where 'planet fantasy' is but the population has found itself a new leader!
I neither have any idea what he is professionally (cough), perhaps Dexter can shed some light? It does not however matter for he brings with him excellent news. That there was not likely to have been nor never will be some wonderful new legal team of bodies reviewing Mitchells case, far less doing anything with it. That other front of course in this plight for support to push for an independent review, is of course just that. These people know there is not chance in hell of this happening, they know that every form of manipulation, those lies and accusations may fool some, but they will never fool those where it actually counts. Proper intellectual bodies who will first and foremost look at everything that has already come to pass before even considering such a thing. And the actions of the accusers of course, that every single thing that they are hiding and burying can not be hidden nor buried, from again, people that actually count.
Further excellent news is of course around Mitchells latest actions, for they are his. Carrying out in part what he claimed was going to happen last year, that of releasing certain areas from his defence papers. Not of course that which should and could always have been released legally (the hiding of the truth will remain so), but anything legal or otherwise to use in this attack upon innocent people. The complete opposite of what Mitchell fronted last year, of not wanting others to be treated as he was (claimed).
Whilst there is no longer any legal requirement to admit guilt thus carry out any rehabilitation against offence, there has to be that of exemplary character and of victim empathy courses. Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category. It is just under two years until that first application can be placed with the parole board, where is LM just now? Certainly not in an open prison or well under way to being rehabilitated for life on the outside, is he? And these latest actions and attempts of solely given someone his defence papers to breach laws is not going to fair well, is it?
A final thought for now. So those who have joined this support who are still NOT requesting that everything that could and should have been legally disclosed, should be done. Every single thing pertaining directly to LM and his mother. Every single word of every statement/interview along with CM's full court testimony. But there is also something else here and that of funding and what you are being told It could be used for. Here is something that it should already have been used for, stemming back to the days of the WAP, from funds obtained then.
But let us run through who first of all has had anything to do with the original forensics, those tests and results. We start with the experts who first carried these out. We move to the police who had expert advice on each and every test and report. We move to the Crown and more of the same then we move to Mitchells defence. Everything in order and labelled correctly. These team of professional bodies who deal with forensics and reports, day in and out, year after year. People who have the type of grasp on such things that us mere mortals could only dream of having. DF and any expert advice he was given and the agreement he DID make with the Crown.
We move on to SL and those claims of them being in a mess, that it took years to try and match samples to the correct report, different labs and labelling and so forth. With me so far? That application into the SCCRC who in turn had experts in their field (independent), review those original tests and results, advised and carried out testing from their expertise on viable areas to test! They go back to Mitchell, to SL and she still claims they were in a mess, that by the time of IB going to print that she had still NOT managed to match every sample to the correct report!
Bypass the manipulation, that need to play dumb for purpose of said manipulation, ok? You the supporters have ploughed your monies in. All you need is permission from the person you are supporting, namely Luke Mitchell. No major red tape. Pay for an independent expert in the field of forensics to sort, match, review in full those original tests and further ones by the SCCRC, then get this independent person to give a full independent review of their findings!
In short, everything that could and should already have been done should be done. You are repeatedly told those words over and over. If there is nothing to hide, if there is nothing to be afraid of? - Get those statements, every word of them out there and get those forensics independently reviewed. You seek the truth well get it out there and start again. Not that you of course do not believe Ms Lean nor Mr Forbes, nor Mitchell of course. But be real, there is NOT going to be a new full independent review. This is 2022 and you are being had! Re-testing? This is NOT a cold case, items are NOT retained for ever. I would very much doubt there was anything there in 2018 when that begging bowl first went out, this is 2022 - wake up.
Sandra Lean is an abuser and has been abusing people for years
https://www.narcissisticabuserehab.com/darvo/
‘Once the abuser has successfully secured the bystanders’ support and conditioned them to perceive the survivor as the perpetrator, the clique collectively subjects the survivor to the merciless process of scapegoating.
‘The group’s empathy for the narcissist is weaponized and used to encourage negative biases about the recipient of the abuse. Narcissists, psychopaths and other manipulators do this in order to ensure that members of the dominant clique become indifferent and callous about the betrayal of the survivor.
‘In other words, bystanders yield to betrayal blindness in the interest of looking out for themselves and to avoid the loss or pain they might risk if they sympathized with the target.
They assign more value to their relationship with the abuser so it follows that it’s in their best interest to empathize with the narcissist not with the survivor.
Killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne are also abusers and possibly why Shane Mitchell has nothing, or very little, to do with either of them
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Sandra Lean is an abuser and has been abusing people for years
Killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne are also abusers and possibly why Shane Mitchell has nothing, or very little, to do with either of them
And all 3 having been, and are, committing a fraud (innocence)
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Sandra Lean is an abuser and has been abusing people for years
Sandra Lean is to killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne, similar to what Stephanie Bon was to Simon Hall and his mother Lynne Hall
Sandra Lean’s PhD should never have been signed off, it’s completely worthless, and built off the back of other frauds
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Part 5 is now up https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
Part 6 dropping soon
Part 6 ➡️ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-6-%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 6 ➡️ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-6-%ef%b8%8f/
Part 7 ➡️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 7 ➡️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%ef%b8%8f/
Further part published ➡️ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/
Part 9 ‘The Affair, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon’ dropping soon
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Janette Scott
I have been binge watching "The Mind of a Murderer" series on Roku all day.
I wonder if we will ever know the true facts of what happened to Jodi Jones that fateful day. I hope so. One thing I do know Luke Mitchell was not involved in her murder. Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones.
Sandra Lean
We may never know the full facts, that's true, but we already know a huge amount more than was ever known to the jury back in 2004/2005. Piece by piece, more and more of the truth is coming out - we just have to keep chipping away at it, keep digging, keep encouraging people to come forward with information.
The con artist (Sandra Lean) and the innocence fraud con continues
Jenny Pearson
Sandra Lean loved and hated the book. Loved it because it gave so many missing facts. Hated it because I can barely believe the atrocious way a young boy was treated. I couldn't binge read it, I kept getting angrier and angrier.
My mind was made up about Luke's innocence when he was taken straight to the police station, stripped and fingernails scraped with no evidence against him.
Sandra Lean
Jenny Pearson Yeah, I'm sorry about that Jenny - it really is a head fry, but it was the first time the full story (or, at least, as much of it as I could possibly tell), was able to be made public. Thank you for staying with it - it's so important that people know the truth.
And sadly Jenny Pearson doesn’t yet know Sandra Lean’s book was written in a way to cause a ‘head fry’
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Janette Scott
I have been binge watching "The Mind of a Murderer" series on Roku all day.
I wonder if we will ever know the true facts of what happened to Jodi Jones that fateful day. I hope so. One thing I do know Luke Mitchell was not involved in her murder. Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones.
The true facts (Other than the order in which killer Luke Mitchell committed [Name removed]’s murder) are known - only con artist and fraudster Sandra Lean along with the killer and his mother have attempted to cause confusion (To those not au fait with their characters and personalities)
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Part 7 ➡️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%ef%b8%8f/
Further part published ➡️ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/
Part 9 ‘The Affair, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon’ dropping soon
7 & 8 being edited/updated before Part 9 is published
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Part 9 ‘The Affair, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon’ dropping soon
Part 9 http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 9 http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/
Part 2 of The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Part 2 of The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f-2/
Part 3 of The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/20/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 10a of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10%ef%b8%8f/
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I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
Suspect Shane Mitchell could write one
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Part 3 of The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Re-Invention of Stephanie Bon http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/20/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 10a of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10%ef%b8%8f/
Part 10b of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’ now published
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 10b of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’ now published
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
👆🏽 also includes grifter Scott Lomax
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Part 10b of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’ now published
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
Sandra Lean - 3rd February 2013
"I refer to your recent communications with me, your posts on the Bamber forum, and our previous exchanges.
While I appreciate that fighting a MOJ is an uphill struggle, and a steep learning curve, there are some "mistakes" which cannot be explained as ignorance, enthusiastic but misguided belief, or any of the other well trodden routes most people take on their journey towards justice.
I personally believe that your recent online behaviour, the way you handled Simon's confession to the other burglary, and the consequent attacks of Shaun and Stephanie Bon have all been detrimental to public support for Simon. The letter, supposedly from Simon, was a disgraceful slap in the face to many, many people who have tried to help Simon over the years.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384705.html#msg384705
What Sandra Lean perceived as “mistakes” was in fact Simon Halls guilt being exposed. His true colours were being laid bare for all to see.
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Part 10c of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 11 Shaun Hall - ‘It’s family & it’s personal’ - dropping soon
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Part 10c of Quite A Hall Tale - The Zenith Windows Burglary ‘Secret’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 11 Shaun Hall - ‘It’s family & it’s personal’ - dropping soon
Shaun Hall; ‘It’s family and it’s personal’ (Part 1)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
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Shaun Hall; ‘It’s family and it’s personal’ (Part 1)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
Part 2 of Shaun Hall; ‘It’s family and it’s personal’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 12 of Quite A Hall Tale https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/13/quite-a-hall-tale-part-13%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 12 of Quite A Hall Tale https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/13/quite-a-hall-tale-part-13%ef%b8%8f/
Part 2 of ‘Funding, Fibres & Phoebe Grant’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f-2/
Part 13 of Quite a Hall Tale - ‘Allegations of Sexual Abuse & Incest’ - to follow..
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Part 2 of Funding, Fibres & Phoebe Grant
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f-2/
Part 13 of Quite a Hall Tale - Allegations of Sexual Abuse & Incest - to follow..
‘Allegations of Sexual Abuse & Incest’
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-13%ef%b8%8f-2/
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June 2022
DAVID JESSEL
@davidjessel
Replying to
@HiddenInjustice
@HannahQuirk1
and 4 others
May be mistaken, but I’m not sure if I was a decision maker on Hall. Had I been, I would certainly have known a lot about it.
8:00 PM · Jun 13, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidjessel/status/1536423377329594368
September 2013
David Jessel: ‘I wanted to refer Simon Hall because I believed (wrongly) that he didn’t do it. I know it’s not very lawyerly, but I’m rather less interested in giving the guilty a get-out-of-jail-free card
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock-by-professor-julie-price-originally-published-by-jon-robins-of-the-justice-gap/
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June 2022
DAVID JESSEL
@davidjessel
Replying to
@HiddenInjustice
@HannahQuirk1
and 4 others
May be mistaken, but I’m not sure if I was a decision maker on Hall. Had I been, I would certainly have known a lot about it.
8:00 PM · Jun 13, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidjessel/status/1536423377329594368
September 2013
David Jessel: ‘I wanted to refer Simon Hall because I believed (wrongly) that he didn’t do it. I know it’s not very lawyerly, but I’m rather less interested in giving the guilty a get-out-of-jail-free card
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock-by-professor-julie-price-originally-published-by-jon-robins-of-the-justice-gap/
The 3 commissioners from the CCRC who did make the decision to refer Simon Hall’s murder conviction to the CoA were;
Julie Goulding
James (Jim) England
&
Ewen Smith
In the minutes of a Scottish criminal cases review commission board meeting, dated 30th September 2016, Ms Julie Goulding, Jim England and Ewan Smith were said to be ‘concluding their terms of office’ that year
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Janette Scott
Something that bothers me a lot is the confessions. Can't see anything in the book.
Sandra Lean
We were advised of a claimed confession from a prisoner serving a sentence for another crime. A letter to this effect was sent to Luke's solicitors at the time, but nothing was ever done about it.
We were told unofficially about a potential other confession from a different person. however, there was never any official statement or other evidence to back that up, so it can only be treated as speculation - lots of people have said lots of things over the years! We investigate everything we're told, as far as we can, but if there's nothing to support it, there's no further we can go with it.
*&^^&
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Part 13 of Quite a Hall Tale - ‘Allegations of Sexual Abuse & Incest’ - to follow..
Part 14 of Quite a Hall Tale https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-14%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 14 of Quite a Hall Tale https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-14%ef%b8%8f/
The Grift & Grifters of the Criminal Cases Review Commission coming up in Part 15 of Quite A Hall Tale - including the statement of reasons
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Part 15
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/24/quite-a-hall-tale-part-15%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 15
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/24/quite-a-hall-tale-part-15%ef%b8%8f/
Part 16 of Quite A Hall Tale
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Fraudulent public relations campaign http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/25/quite-a-hall-tale-part-16%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 16 of Quite A Hall Tale
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Fraudulent public relations campaign http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/25/quite-a-hall-tale-part-16%ef%b8%8f/
Part 17 The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17%ef%b8%8f/
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An Ana Azaria has posted the following on Facebook
What the jury didn’t know (part 1)
“The role of the jury, is to reach a verdict in the case, having heard and considered the facts according to the evidence and the instructions given by the judge. There are 15 people in a criminal jury trial and 12 in a civil jury trial. (scotcourts.gov).”
But, how can a jury make a decision, based on all of the facts, when all of the facts have not been provided?
The DNA sample reports stated that samples 336A and 336B – taken from the trousers that Luke wore on the night of the murder – returned a mixed result, showing both Luke and an unknown female. The jury were not made aware of this – and the female was not Jodi. Some have tried to suggest that because the female profile was unknown, that it could have been Jodi – but some of the markers in the unknown profile were not in the same place as Jodi’s.
The jury seemed to accept in other areas, that Luke could have removed every trace of himself from the crime scene, while leaving the DNA of others. But without the above information, they could not question how he was able to remove DNA from Jodi from his trousers, without also removing the DNA of himself, and another female.
#whatthejurydidntknow
*disclaimer - please refrain from discussing the jury at all - these posts are simply to point out the information that they were not given, thank you*
Ana Azalia fails to point out the fact that [Name removed]’s had spent the day with other females at school and lived with another female, and they fail to highlight the fact the DNA could have transferred to the trousers by secondary transfer
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An Ana Azaria has posted the following on Facebook
What the jury didn’t know (part 1)
“The role of the jury, is to reach a verdict in the case, having heard and considered the facts according to the evidence and the instructions given by the judge. There are 15 people in a criminal jury trial and 12 in a civil jury trial. (scotcourts.gov).”
But, how can a jury make a decision, based on all of the facts, when all of the facts have not been provided?
Why didn’t psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell want the jury to hear about the DNA and what exactly were the jury told about this?
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Part 17 The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17%ef%b8%8f/
Part 2 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17a%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 17 The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17%ef%b8%8f/
The above has been edited
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Part 2 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17a%ef%b8%8f/
Further edits and updates made to Part 2 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
Part 3 of of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers dropping soon..
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Further edits and updates made to Part 2 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
Part 3 of of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers dropping soon..
Further edits and updates to Part 2
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17a%ef%b8%8f/
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Further edits and updates to Part 2
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17a%ef%b8%8f/
Part 3 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17b%ef%b8%8f/
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An ex-girlfriend of LM’s (Lesley-Anne Haughton) tells of his propensity for the occult and the macabre. She mentions that “he went from being a fun person to being zombie-like” after getting involved with drugs, and said, “I was a bit scared but knew I had to end it.”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+dumped+Mitchell+because+cannabis+warped+his+mind%3b+Ex+tells+of+lure...-a0127892066
”During Mitchell's trial, it was revealed he had a number of girlfriends at the same time”
Does Sandra Lean also omit this from her 2nd book?
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”During Mitchell's trial, it was revealed he had a number of girlfriends at the same time”
Does Sandra Lean also omit this from her 2nd book?
How many *boyfriends* did psychopathic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell have?
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Part 3 of The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17b%ef%b8%8f/
Part 4 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/07/31/stephanie-bon/
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Part 5 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 5 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
Recently edited http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
..includes the fraudulent public relations campaign of sadistic and psychopathic serial killer Michael Stone
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Part 5 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
Part 6 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17e%ef%b8%8f/
Part 7 - Dropping soon
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Child killer, sexual deviant, coercive controller & abuser Billy Middleton was on TV recently with his enabling mother Harriet https://twitter.com/BBCArtsPR/status/1536404379233882116
Billy Middleton and his mother Harriet Middleton didn’t raise a single penny for Annalise’s mother or her siblings
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Child killer, sexual deviant, coercive controller & abuser Billy Middleton was on TV recently with his enabling mother Harriet https://twitter.com/BBCArtsPR/status/1536404379233882116
Billy Middleton and his mother Harriet Middleton didn’t raise a single penny for Annalise’s mother or her siblings
Deleted in order not to encourage libel.
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Why not a portrait of Annalise?
Why a child killer’s enabler ?
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2022/06/10/acclaimed-artist-to-paint-portrait-of-mri-fundraiser-on-bbc-tv-show/
And who handled all the funds?
If any monies passed through via fraudster Billy Middleton - how much did he skim off of them?
Sandra Lean made the claim she didn’t see a penny of the WAP funds either
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Why would he?
Why wouldn’t a father want to financially support their child/children
Why raise money for killers, rapists and fraudsters http://road2justice10.blogspot.com/2010/11/todays-walk-free-in-support-of-danny.html
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Child killer, sexual deviant, coercive controller & abuser Billy Middleton was on TV recently with his enabling mother Harriet
Harriet Middleton mentioned here
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712
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https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2022/06/10/acclaimed-artist-to-paint-portrait-of-mri-fundraiser-on-bbc-tv-show/
And what about the two children who survived the fire, who will no doubt see this and the man who almost killed them too
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A child killer who had a bear named after him - not after his 10 month old daughter https://www.burrabears.co.uk/blog/mri-scanner-burra-bear
Who appears to also run the below account - ‘cos he’s blocked me
https://mobile.twitter.com/BurraBears
Wrong link ⬆️
https://mobile.twitter.com/middle_toon
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Psychopathic child & cat killer and sexual deviant Billy Middleton with his enabler mum Harriet Middleton
Watch the conman and consummate actor here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VLO46VN0ptA
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Psychopathic child & cat killer and sexual deviant Billy Middleton with his enabler mum Harriet Middleton
Watch the conman and consummate actor here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VLO46VN0ptA
Billy Middleton also threatened Sandra Lean whereby her daughter had to intervene and send him packing
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Deleted in order not to encourage libel.
What did unconvicted child killer and sexual deviant, conman and consummate actor Billy Middleton do with the funding he received for WAP?
"Charity Status: Not Submitted
Last Updated: 06 Jan 2015
Constitutional Form: Unincorporated association
Geographical Spread: Scotland and other parts of the UK
Main Operating Location: Shetland Islands
Purposes: The advancement of human rights, conflict resolution or reconciliation,The relief of those in need by reason of age, ill health, disability, financial hardship or other disadvantage
Beneficiaries: Children / young people,People with disabilities or health problems,Other defined groups,No specific group, or for the benefit of the community,Other charities / voluntary bodies
Activities: It makes grants, donations, loans, gifts or pensions to individuals,It makes grants, donations or gifts to organisations,It carries out activities or services itself
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Deleted in order not to encourage libel.
Fiend Billy Middleton included in the ‘Quite A Hall Tale’ blog series http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
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Fiend Billy Middleton included in the ‘Quite A Hall Tale’ blog series http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
In relation to his website Middleton writes...
At the time I began writing this website, I had recently been acquitted of 1 charge of indecent assault, 1 charge of murder and 2 charges of attempted murder. A case which obviously attracted significant media interest and one which should never have passed the first hurdle. The reasons as to how I can say this will become clearer as the site develops however at the time of writing there are legal processes underway which limit exactly which details I can openly reveal. Since the individuals and departments responsible deserve to be investigated fairly without prejudice (a privilege I was never afforded), there are obviously restrictions on what actions or details I can be specific about however I will endeavour to paint as full a picture as possible in the meantime with a view to highlighting factors which can cause innocent people to be vilified and become victims of the justice system intended to protect us all.
Child killer Billy Middleton wasn’t ‘acquitted’ as he claimed back then
a ‘not proven’ verdict differs from a ‘not guilty’ verdict
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In relation to his website Middleton writes...
At the time I began writing this website, I had recently been acquitted of 1 charge of indecent assault, 1 charge of murder and 2 charges of attempted murder. A case which obviously attracted significant media interest and one which should never have passed the first hurdle. The reasons as to how I can say this will become clearer as the site develops however at the time of writing there are legal processes underway which limit exactly which details I can openly reveal. Since the individuals and departments responsible deserve to be investigated fairly without prejudice (a privilege I was never afforded), there are obviously restrictions on what actions or details I can be specific about however I will endeavour to paint as full a picture as possible in the meantime with a view to highlighting factors which can cause innocent people to be vilified and become victims of the justice system intended to protect us all.
Child killer and fiend Billy Middleton never did give his ‘reasons’ for his false claims
He never once spoke of the cat he also killed
Updates regularly being made to the Quite A Hall Tale blog series including on charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean and her, and Billy Middleton’s fraudulent public relations campaigns
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
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Child killer and fiend Billy Middleton never did give his ‘reasons’ for his false claims
He never once spoke of the cat he also killed
Updates regularly being made to the Quite A Hall Tale blog series including on charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean and her, and Billy Middleton’s fraudulent public relations campaigns
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
Why did unconvicted child killer Billy Middleton choose to stop tweeting his blog post in February 2017 using his @WronglyAccused1 twitter account
Updates to follow
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/07/billy-william-middleton-aka-wronglyaccused1/
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Another point for Lianna Mackie’s ‘Forensic Friday’ recent nonsense 🙄 (From around 3 days ago) who clearly doesn’t understand what circumstantial evidence is and of course Sandra Lean wouldn’t point this out
DNA IS circumstantial evidence Lianna Mackie
Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
lianna.mackie Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1UhcG0l7y
7:57 PM · Aug 24, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/503617094941147136
Lianna Mackie was also associated with child killer Billy Middleton
“Statement” Official Group
Lianna Mackie
As a team, we feel it only fair to address today’s update. We understand that you may all be shocked and upset by Sandra taking a step back in a professional capacity. As a team, we are also shaken. Some of the team are taking a much needed break, and as a result we are trying to keep all comments related to today’s update in one place so that it is easier to monitor, and so that we can turn off commenting if there is no one around to check in.
As always, our main focus is on justice. So as ever, we need to stick to our group rules. We have however decided as a team to be a little looser with the rules in these exceptional circumstances, to give all of you a safe place to vent and speak about your worries.
Please use this post to do so. All other posts about Sandra’s live will be declined, and comments on current posts disabled.
We really hope you can understand our decision.
https://fb.watch/6oFgMk2Fgw/
Encouraging members to speak about their worries? What worries could their possibly be? The loss of their leader?
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Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
lianna.mackie Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1UhcG0l7y
7:57 PM · Aug 24, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/503617094941147136
Lianna Mackie was also associated with child killer Billy Middleton
Would be interested to hear Lianna Mackie’s thoughts on child killer Billy Middleton
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Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
lianna.mackie Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1UhcG0l7y
7:57 PM · Aug 24, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/503617094941147136
Lianna Mackie was also associated with child killer Billy Middleton
Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
sandra.lean1 Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1uY6d2FzK
12:18 PM · Oct 13, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/521620912597377024
Sandra Lean re registered again in October 2014 after having stated she had ‘wasted ten years’ of her life several months before
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Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
sandra.lean1 Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1uY6d2FzK
12:18 PM · Oct 13, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/521620912597377024
Sandra Lean re registered again in October 2014 after having stated she had ‘wasted ten years’ of her life several months before
Well, knock me down with a feather!!...Sandra Lean gets it wrong again!!
After many long years promoting the 'Luke Mitchell is innocent' agenda, Dr Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton have called it a day and exited from the case. Has this something to do with what I predicted quite some time ago and that it that the SCCRC have refused to refer the case to Edinburgh's Court of Appeal.
Sandra Leans co admin at Wrongly Accused Person Organsation, Billy Middleton, explains in his latest rendering...
The road to where things now are for Luke and his case has been a long, difficult and often stressful one for all those who have genuinely believed in and supported him. I say genuinely because, as we know from experience, not everyone who becomes involved in cases such as this have genuine motives. Sandra became involved at a much earlier stage than most, but I don't think anyone with any credibility would suggest she has been anything other than supportive, or that she hasn't tried hard for almost 11 years, at great personal hardship, and often in difficult circumstances, to both help and to expose facts of the case which otherwise would probably still not be known.
Unfortunately, shortly before the SCCRC refusal, at a time when she knew it's decision was imminent, Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why. She remains supportive to this day. Anyone involved in the horror of fighting a wrongful conviction will understand the ever present difficulties of the situation.
Luke was merely a child himself when he was incarcerated, now, although he's not been allowed to develop as he should have been, he's a man. What he does now, and the choices he now makes are his alone to make and his responsibility. I wish him well, hope he makes wise choices and is someday successful. For me every day longer will be yet another too long for both him and Jodi to finally get the justice they deserve. However, in the absence of the connection that once existed, and the mandate which went along with it to validate what has been exposed both here on the forum and on his caseblog, WAP is in a difficult position. It is the most sensitive of cases, and the extent and nature of what has been highlighted could only be done in large part due to the fact it has been done on the basis of having access to the supporting documents. Clearly that is no longer the case, and while I had hoped to be able to archive it due to a SCCRC referral, I don't really see how it can remain available.
So while I wish Luke well and hope for a positive outcome, anything which depends on access to his paperwork will have to be taken offline in a week's time roughly. It does not in any way reflect a change in opinion on his case, and if anyone wants to start a topic which isn't notably said to be backed up by case papers they are perfectly free to do so in the general forum area as with any other deserved case providing discussion remains polite, respectful to all concern and dignified.l
Considerable thought has been given to this decision, and it has not been arrived at lightly, but sadly I can't see how, given the nature of the case and all that goes along with it how it can remain now.
www.forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-general/150/
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Wrongly Accused
@WronglyAccused1
sandra.lean1 Just registered at Wrongly Accused Person Forum http://fb.me/1uY6d2FzK
12:18 PM · Oct 13, 2014·Facebook
https://twitter.com/WronglyAccused1/status/521620912597377024
Sandra Lean re registered again in October 2014 after having stated she had ‘wasted ten years’ of her life several months before
In between this time Sandra Lean also claimed to have almost died from carbon monoxide poisoning
Did she tell anyone else about this?
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Billy Middleton also threatened Sandra Lean whereby her daughter had to intervene and send him packing
Sandra Lean was concerned by the fact Billy Middleton would be retuning to Shetland covered in cuts and bruises
Sandra claimed child killer Billy left her house and went wandering off on his own and that when she and her daughter caught up with him he was ‘covered in blood’
Sandra said Billy was found somewhere in Edinburgh
Was Sandra concerned Billy might tell his family Sandra had beaten him up or something?
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Child killer and fiend Billy Middleton never did give his ‘reasons’ for his false claims
He never once spoke of the cat he also killed
Updates regularly being made to the Quite A Hall Tale blog series including on charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean and her, and Billy Middleton’s fraudulent public relations campaigns
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
Another killer Sandra Lean chose to promote was Matthew Hamlen
”Horrifyingly, the meticulous grandmother, who’d stayed glamorous into her sunset years, had her trousers around her knees.
Her underpants had also partially been pulled down.”
(Real People 4 Oct 2018 - Murder Map)
Matthew Hamlen said he could not be sure if he had sex with Georgina Edmonds
https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/14265690.matthew-hamlen-said-he-could-not-be-sure-if-he-had-sex-with-georgina-edmonds/
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Part 6 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17e%ef%b8%8f/
Part 7 - Dropping soon
Part 7 of ‘The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of Innocence Fraud Killers & Their Enablers’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17f%ef%b8%8f/
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Michael A O’Brien
In 1988 Gilbert pulled out of a home office inquiry into his case because he refused to answer questions in relation to a statement made by Frank Kaid who stated Gilbert stabbed the guy and killed the victim and Frank Kaid admitted to the robbery and ran out whilst Gilbert stabbed the victim and said there was a third man on the job.
Explain that Gilbert?
https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid02yCv4hz92T755v8CR5m6JPckNWGohxmu1CrPWkJrN3v3gppecxgBBjib4gfhq94XPl/
Michael A O’Brien
Gilbert made 8 confessions without duress and was not assaulted by the police we can prove this and put his own alibi witness June Bannon in and got her arrested as well as putting in an innocent man John Kamara behind bars.https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid02cTRMdpbjfJLpRy99yP6MfCLkEFADKaxYgSS7yf3Tw1bxpVCQMMas9Y3tgGWMzoffl/
Michael A O Brien
This message is for Leanne Gilbert how dare you blame me for damaging your husbands case.
He's done that with his lies time and time again. I tried to help him and he kicked me in the teeth.
He will never get a solicitor to take up his case because of his lies and will never get an appeal
so shut up and stop the lies or I will sue you both.
https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid0TLjcwvpvrQAFaPUDJ6nVMd9E6uYoKs1S3vjUT5Qg2uwSrDdvT7FQTBhHRSjabLB3l/
Leanne Gilbert Aka @supportforallUK on Twitter
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Michael A O’Brien
In 1988 Gilbert pulled out of a home office inquiry into his case because he refused to answer questions in relation to a statement made by Frank Kaid who stated Gilbert stabbed the guy and killed the victim and Frank Kaid admitted to the robbery and ran out whilst Gilbert stabbed the victim and said there was a third man on the job.
Explain that Gilbert?
https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid02yCv4hz92T755v8CR5m6JPckNWGohxmu1CrPWkJrN3v3gppecxgBBjib4gfhq94XPl/
Michael A O’Brien
Gilbert made 8 confessions without duress and was not assaulted by the police we can prove this and put his own alibi witness June Bannon in and got her arrested as well as putting in an innocent man John Kamara behind bars.https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid02cTRMdpbjfJLpRy99yP6MfCLkEFADKaxYgSS7yf3Tw1bxpVCQMMas9Y3tgGWMzoffl/
Michael A O Brien
This message is for Leanne Gilbert how dare you blame me for damaging your husbands case.
He's done that with his lies time and time again. I tried to help him and he kicked me in the teeth.
He will never get a solicitor to take up his case because of his lies and will never get an appeal
so shut up and stop the lies or I will sue you both.
https://www.facebook.com/1533925607/posts/pfbid0TLjcwvpvrQAFaPUDJ6nVMd9E6uYoKs1S3vjUT5Qg2uwSrDdvT7FQTBhHRSjabLB3l/
Leanne Gilbert Aka @supportforallUK on Twitter
https://www.bristol.ac.uk/spais/news/2022/michael-naughton-news-item.html
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Sandra Lean posted the below ⬇️ under a post made by Rachel Roll, approx 19 hours ago, on one of their Facebook groups promoting the innocence fraud of [Name removed]’s killer
Sandra Lean
Matt Elliott Rachel Roll It was the DR that put out the "thousands" of posters of the very young Jodi (aged 4 or 5) by day 2 of the "investigation" and a few days later, rolled out the pics of Jodi aged about 8. why? In the name of all things sane - they had up to date pics of Jodi by Friday July 4th - why didn't they wait?
I've always said, the confusion created by those early pics meant so much information was almost certainly lost. But, when you come to the Crimewatch offer, the only reason I can see for turning it down would have been that it clarified in people's minds exactly what Jodi looked like.
I still shake my head in disbelief at one of the "off the record" comments about declining the Crimewatch offer - they were already "struggling" with the investigation and the programme might have produced so much info, it would have "overwhelmed" the investigation.
Really? So they didn't want real information getting in the way of running round telling everyone in the area that Luke was the killer and it was only a matter of time before they had the evidence to prove it???
as far as speculation goes (and I'm very mindful that we're all being careful here) -
telling everyone it was Luke - not speculation, we have statements.
saying the info from crimewatch might have "overwhelmed the investigation" - not speculation, we have statements
Early pics of 4 /5 or 8 year old Jodi confusing witnesses (and that confusion could have been clarified by crimewatch) - not speculation - we have statements and I, personally, was right there with the people going, "Wait, I thought it was a teenager who was murdered?" (Remember, this started on day 2)
It was the DR who put out thousands of posters of a very young Jodi right at the beginning of the investigation - not speculation - not only do we have statements, but they publicly stated that this was "their part" in helping to apprehend Jodi's killer. I'll leave you all to figure out how that helped, for yourselves!!!
Where did charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean point out the fact Jane Hamilton did not work for the DR = Daily Record in 2003 and is this fact made clear in grifter Scott Forbes book promoting the fraudulent narrative of [Name removed]’s sadistic killer?
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Where did charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean point out the fact Jane Hamilton did not work for the DR = Daily Record in 2003 and is this fact made clear in grifter Scott Forbes book promoting the fraudulent narrative of [Name removed]’s sadistic killer?
Jane Hamilton didn’t write this either
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-witness-wanted-50k-968845
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Jane Hamilton didn’t write this either
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-witness-wanted-50k-968845
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Did innocence fraud promoter and grifter Scott Forbes mention anything about any money from the Daily Record in his book, as referred to by the late Mark Kane here
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https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4792.msg176570#msg176570
‘He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games
Sandra Lean is a bully as well as a liar. I was one of the so called accused, not a shred of evidence against me except a statement from a man who has a severe criminal record that has since came to light. I knew all about it from the start I knew it would eventually catch up with him and Sandra Lean. Anytime I contacted her on the 'Luke Mitchell' is innocent website she got right onto her cronies and I would receive death threats over the phone, be visited n public places by he man with the long and hash criminal record who would make threats against and my family. He even went to my mothers door, she is her Sixties and disabled just to show me she could be got at! What type of human being does such a thing? He assaulted me in full view of half a dozen people after I had left a comment on Ms.Leans web pag. All of this I reported[/b] to the police. Just to set a couple of things straight I never had big cuts on my face the day after the murder I had a tiny scratch is all, he did not drive me to the police station the day after and he never said what amount of money we would get but he did say we would get money if we spoke to the press and get a wee holiday out of it. I never wanted anything to do with it it was sick, the man bullied me. He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games which have now came to a head but I'm still stuck with totally untrue accusations against me and haven't even received a sorry let alone anything else. I knew about his criminal past but I never mentioned it, I never spoke to reporters, which he wanted me to. He used to make jokes about it and him and him only ever brought it up as you know it was nearly 4 years before he came forward after a falling out between us, the police didn't take him serious and he gave a high court statement Han is all lies and I have many witness that can back that up. He bullied me after he had went to the police, trying to keep me in line and watch who I spoke to but I just didn't want anything to do with it god I wasn't even sure he was telling the truth about talking to the police cause like I said he used to make jokes about it. If they haughty they were right then how come whenever I questioned Sandra lean she would get right on to him to go and do her dirty work which was harass me. I have a load of witness to prove everything he said is a lie that's why I was never worried. I just think it's shocking that a man can take half truths, 3rd hand stories and just lies then go to the police with this rubbish and before you know it my name is on the 6 o'clock news, in newspapers giving totally false information about me and iv never received any type of closure or apology or anything from the people involved. Maybe karma has just taken it's time he's been exposed for the violent criminal who done jail for armed robbery and Sandra Lean, not for the first time, is wrong. I went through hell and back because of them but I'm not going to waste my life looking for revenge I knew in time it would all come out. Here's to the innocent among us, don't let the b........s grind you down.
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Did innocence fraud promoter and grifter Scott Forbes mention anything about any money from the Daily Record in his book, as referred to by the late Mark Kane here
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https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4792.msg176570#msg176570
‘He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games
Sandra Lean
‘We need men (and women) of independent mind. Thank you Scott Forbes - for never bowing to their tinsel show!!!’
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Sandra Lean
‘We need men (and women) of independent mind. Thank you Scott Forbes - for never bowing to their tinsel show!!!’
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Why did Sandra Lean choose to never call out Scott Forbes blatant lies
Scott Forbes
@Scf65Forbes
Scott im actually laughing. Dr Lean can confirm I was lukes lawyer and part of a legal team for 5years. Let them play there wee boys games if it amuses them# laugh#last#laugh#longest.
10:14 PM · Apr 3, 2019·Twitter for Android
Sandra didn’t though did she
All she was prepared to say was that he was allegedly a ‘trainee lawyer’ - which we’ve not yet seen any proof of
She deflected and told people to ‘ask Luke’ about Forbes
According to the Law Society, fraudster Scott Forbes has never been entered with them - ever
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According to the Law Society, fraudster Scott Forbes has never been entered with them - ever
Where is the evidence for Scott Forbes ever being a lawyer - other than an alleged trainee ?
When will Scott Forbes be providing proof he’s ever been a practising lawyer?
According to the Law Society he has never been entered with them - Ever
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Mark Kane
‘He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games
Has abuser Scott Forbes or charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean ever told the people they are duping how much money Scott Forbes was paid by the Daily Record?
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Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter & Con Artist Scott Forbes & His Blatant Lies
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
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Part 2 of Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter & Con Artist Scott Forbes & His Blatant Lies
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/20/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-2/
Part 3 ~ Dropping Soon
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Tony Conlin
Dr Sandra Leans book ' No Smoke' is an essential read too, it helps understanding the mindset of the Police investigators, evidence gathering, supposition and the prosecutor's actions during trials to highlight just how cases come to court and are put together and more importantly how innocent people are convicted and miscarriages of justice come about. I've not read Scott's book yet but I've ordered it and I should have it by tomorrow one thing is without doubt now and that is LM in my mind is highly unlikely to have been involved with the slaying of [Name removed] other than when he went to search for her, I simply cannot find any way that he could have been involved other than that as the '3 planks' of the prosecution's case against him are purely conjecture and innuendo and a fabrication, with no PROOF of GUILT what so ever only ' it could have been ' but that's all.
More on Sandra Lean’s smoke and mirrors of ‘No Smoke’ dropping soon
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/
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The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers (Part 8) ~ Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17g%ef%b8%8f/
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The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers (Part 8) ~ Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17g%ef%b8%8f/
More on charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean dropping soon
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The Illusory Truth Effect, Coercive Persuasion & Gaslighting of ’Innocence’ Fraud Killers & Their Enablers (Part 8) ~ Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17g%ef%b8%8f/
Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17g%ef%b8%8f/
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Caroline Strickland
I was just thinking about the night of the murder...when Jodi didn't show up and Luke went to spend time with friends. They obviously know where he was and what he was he doing in these crucial time frames.
Where are they now? As adults, Why are they not jumping up and down demanding justice?
In all the documents and interviews there does not seem to be a lot of focus on this group of people.
Sam Ryan
I would imagine many have been trolled and intimidated from doing so. I know that [Name removed]s family were very active in forums etc and used the hack reporters to deeply shame anyone who spoke in defence of Luke?
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Where is your evidence for ‘I know that [Name removed]s family were very active in forums’ Sam Ryan ?
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
They are here shouting about it, they just don't identify themselves for safety reasons, but I can assure you their support is unwavering for Luke. The team and Sandra know who they are also many locals come to us discreetly too.
The atmosphere in Dalkeith is still very much one of fear of speaking out publicly with their real names - the violence is very real.
I will let Sandra add to this for more clarity, plus on how the witnesses were treated etc.
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https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13091576/filing-history
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
They are here shouting about it, they just don't identify themselves for safety reasons, but I can assure you their support is unwavering for Luke. The team and Sandra know who they are also many locals come to us discreetly too.
The atmosphere in Dalkeith is still very much one of fear of speaking out publicly with their real names - the violence is very real.
I will let Sandra add to this for more clarity, plus on how the witnesses were treated etc.
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
Kerry Tremble Kevan It really is, people are torn between their families safety and speaking out. It takes a lot to jeopardise getting your windows put in, or being physically attacked etc. or being featured in the DR. Just look what Sandra and Corinne have had to endure over the years.
It is simply not acceptable. One blessing is they don't stand alone now as there are 7.3k members beside them.
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Part 13 ~ Dropping Soon
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Part 13
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/24/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-13/
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Part 15 of Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter & Con Artist Scott Forbes & His Blatant Lies
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/25/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-15/
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*Updated* Part 17g of Quite A Hall Tale - Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17g%ef%b8%8f/
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The #InnocenceFraud Con of Jodi Jones🌻 Sadistic & Psychopathic Schoolboy Killer & His Enablers
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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https://thescotslawblog.com/2021/03/01/unravelling-corroboration-and-circumstantial-evidence/
So these "professionals who really should know better" Experts in their field being asked questions in such a way to illicit the response sought after, matter not. It is simply bias upon bias. The article is correct, they have not witnessed near enough of this case to place any ? upon reasonable doubt.
And these wannabe experts, who profess to being something that they simply are not. There is and never was a criminologist who studied this case, there was a student who used it for study purpose. Psychic Sue? who just knew this complete stranger (cough) did not kill Jodi Jones. So much so she was shouting it from those rooftops she just loves so much. Who then,by September 2003 had LM look her in the eye and "she just knew (again) that he was innocent" Marvellous Intel.
IB tells us that Ms Lean along with the Mitchells carried out their "own form of investigation" CM tells us in her JE podcast of her and Sandra's theories. LM by October was out with his mother "celebrating the end of a difficult time" So this extremely "close collaboration" between what was to become SL's two "key witnesses" - had all three working together, investigating into who the killer could be? - comedy of errors! (IB really is!) We have barely reached Nov '03' here.
Make no mistake here, those foundations already being firmly laid. The events of that day, told to SL who simply soaked up every word, from this complete stranger, whom she just knew by that eye contact to be innocent. So one had those events firmly embedded, all three had media reports to work from. We had the duo on the bike, this mystery man, and as SL tells us in IB, intel from the Mitchells on Jodi's family, her brother. We still have not reached Nov '03' here. We already have half of IB here, those 380 pages of large text.
So, to the point (really), and to be serious here. Not that it would matter one iota what SL had access to, the outcome would still be the same. Taken every piece of advice by Colin Bowman. To sway public opinion by deflecting away from the convicted, the truth, the evidence. By using that psychological approach, that 'gaslighting' Pushing out a false narrative to place attention upon others, to change ones perception of the truth by showing that anyone connected may have been acting upon self interest.
Right down to those aunts in the carpark. Perhaps they arrived with Morag's UFO? Who knows, anything is a real possibility. Enough now:
SL has never had access to the case files, she did not attend those 9 weeks of trial, hearing/seeing/witnessing testimony first hand. Has never had access to full court transcripts. Is putting out her psychological approach, based upon deflection. As there is nothing, that is zero to even scratch the surface of a MOJ. Everything she is projecting is based upon that clear conflict of interest, that claimed blind faith and psychic powers, telling her of a strangers innocence. - But going by these threads popping up (Blue Forum), it is easy to see exactly the level of intellect aimed at, and those who take this on as 9 weeks of nothing. For if the whole case fits into around 50 pages of large text (the rest deflection), you do exactly what it says on the tin. - wonderful stuff. Keep up the good work. What day is it today children? It is the day before 'Forensic Friday?'
More lies
No evidence to show this either
Why didn’t she attend the trial ?
In No Smoke (2008) she says ‘until two years ago’ before the book ergo 2006 http://checkpointpress.com/NS28pageSample.pdf
Until two years ago, I had no idea that anything was broken. I believed in the justice system, although I knew it had its faults. A chance meeting with someone who believed that a family member was a victim of a miscarriage of justice was to change all that. At the time, I was merely intrigued. Perhaps, like many people, I had an assumption that the relatives of almost everyone convicted of a serious crime don’t want to believe that one of theirs could do such a thing, and will tend to convince themselves that there has been a mistake. What I found left me shocked and sickened. The information was there, easily accessible, for me, or anyone else to see. Because it had simply never occurred to me to ask the questions (perhaps because I believed there were no questions to be asked), I had never been exposed to the answers. The more I delved, the more apparent it became that something is terribly wrong with our system, but hardly anyone seems to know, or care.
As my investigations progressed, I found another curious phenomenon. Not only were people reluctant to discuss the issue of miscarriages of justice, and the suggestion that there may be some very serious flaws at the heart of our justice system, they would vigorously (and sometimes with hostility) defend their position that I was mistaken – even with pages of documented evidence before them. It reminded me of the children’s story of the elephant in the sitting room. Everybody knows you don’t find elephants in the middle of the sitting room floor, so everyone acts as if there is no elephant there, even though they can all see it. Why? In the absence of back-up from anyone else, each individual assumes the others really can’t see the elephant, otherwise they’d say so. Secondly, it’s an elephant for goodness sake! If there was really an elephant there, then everyone would be talking about it. So we ignore the evidence of our own senses, for fear of looking stupid, or being judged by others.
Similar to Stephanie Bon and her ‘friends’ story
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/24/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-13/
‘Eye contact’ was 2007
‘THE heavy doors clanged shut behind Sandra Lean as she made her way inside a notorious young offenders' institution to meet one of Scotland's most infamous prisoners.
With piles of legal papers, transcripts, notes and scribbled questions in her arms, she sat down to look into convicted killer Luke Mitchell's face - and was troubled by what saw.
"I thought: 'Oh, he's just a bairn, he's just a laddie'," she recalls.
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter lived with her father from aged 8
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Until two years ago, I had no idea that anything was broken. I believed in the justice system, although I knew it had its faults. A chance meeting with someone who believed that a family member was a victim of a miscarriage of justice was to change all that. At the time, I was merely intrigued. Perhaps, like many people, I had an assumption that the relatives of almost everyone convicted of a serious crime don’t want to believe that one of theirs could do such a thing, and will tend to convince themselves that there has been a mistake. What I found left me shocked and sickened. The information was there, easily accessible, for me, or anyone else to see. Because it had simply never occurred to me to ask the questions (perhaps because I believed there were no questions to be asked), I had never been exposed to the answers. The more I delved, the more apparent it became that something is terribly wrong with our system, but hardly anyone seems to know, or care.
As my investigations progressed, I found another curious phenomenon. Not only were people reluctant to discuss the issue of miscarriages of justice,.
[Name removed]’s killer couldn’t have been an alleged ‘miscarriage of justice’ until after he was convicted
[Name removed]’s killer was found guilty on On 21 January 2005
The ‘chance meeting’ was circa 2006
‘At the time, I was merely intrigued. Perhaps, like many people, I had an assumption that the relatives of almost everyone convicted of a serious crime…’
She meets this ‘wee laddie’ sadistic, psychopathic schoolboy killer in 2007
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https://thescotslawblog.com/2021/03/01/unravelling-corroboration-and-circumstantial-evidence/
So these "professionals who really should know better" Experts in their field being asked questions in such a way to illicit the response sought after, matter not. It is simply bias upon bias. The article is correct, they have not witnessed near enough of this case to place any ? upon reasonable doubt.
And these wannabe experts, who profess to being something that they simply are not. There is and never was a criminologist who studied this case, there was a student who used it for study purpose. Psychic Sue? who just knew this complete stranger (cough) did not kill Jodi Jones. So much so she was shouting it from those rooftops she just loves so much. Who then, by September 2003 had LM look her in the eye and "she just knew (again) that he was innocent" Marvellous Intel.
IB tells us that Ms Lean along with the Mitchells carried out their "own form of investigation" CM tells us in her JE podcast of her and Sandra's theories. LM by October was out with his mother "celebrating the end of a difficult time" So this extremely "close collaboration" between what was to become SL's two "key witnesses" - had all three working together, investigating into who the killer could be? - comedy of errors! (IB really is!) We have barely reached Nov '03' here.
Does she say in IB the date she first met this sadistic psycho ‘wee laddie’ in YOI/prison?
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‘Eye contact’ was 2007
‘THE heavy doors clanged shut behind Sandra Lean as she made her way inside a notorious young offenders' institution to meet one of Scotland's most infamous prisoners.
With piles of legal papers, transcripts, notes and scribbled questions in her arms, she sat down to look into convicted killer Luke Mitchell's face - and was troubled by what saw.
"I thought: 'Oh, he's just a bairn, he's just a laddie'," she recalls.
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter lived with her father from aged 8
In 2010 her and Corinne were attempting to suggest SK was wearing a grey hoodie and a witness saw him allegedly walking behind [Name removed] *&^^&
2010
“THE MOTHER of Luke Mitchell is involved in an internet campaign blaming another man for Jodi Jones’ murder.
http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/
The pair of them were also falsely claiming SK’a blood was found on [Name removed]’s top
Sandra Lean is a liar and fraud
‘They claim on an internet forum that DNA evidence links the man with the brutal 2003 stabbing.
And the man in question said he was aware of the claims against him.
He said: “I know what these people are saying about me.
“I will deal with this in my own time.”
Luke Mitchell, 22, was convicted of the murder of his 14-year-old girlfriend in 2005.
But his mum recently posted on an internet forum that evidence points to someone else.
She wrote: “X’s semen and blood were on Jodi’s T-shirt…his description and clothing matched a witness statement of a male ‘following Jodi’…he was known to the police.
“Is it me or is anyone else adding things up here?
“Description of man seen behind Jodi – grey hooded top.
“Several days after the murder X hands his grey hooded top to the police saying it has been washed.
“At 5pm X’s alibi is Janine (Jodi’s sister).
“The police accepted that Janine said, ‘he was with me’ and from him ‘ I was with her’.”
And Sandra Lean, author and researcher on miscarriages of justice, added: “Our Mr X is emerging as more and more suspicious.
“The info that’s coming our way is shocking, especially as the police should have been onto this stuff right from the beginning.”
The police were on it right from the beginning Sandra - you weren’t!
I recall the above and I also recall communicating with a distressed Judy Jones around this time
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Lots more here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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Part 19
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/25/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-19/
Part 20
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/25/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-20/
Part 21
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-20-2/
Part 22
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-22/
Part 23 dropping soon
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Part 23 ~ Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/
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Part 18 of ‘Quite A Hall Tale’ ~ Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting ~ Dropping Soon
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/
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Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting (Part 1)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18%ef%b8%8f/
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Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting (Part 1)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18%ef%b8%8f/
Part 2
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Part 3 ~ Rebranding Dangerous Predators Into Faux Victims - Dropping Soon
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Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting - Rebranding Dangerous Predators Into Faux Victims (Part 3)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18c%ef%b8%8f/
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Index to The #InnocenceFraud Scam of Jodi Jones🌻 Sadistic & Psychopathic Schoolboy Killer & His Abusive Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting - Rebranding Dangerous Predators Into Faux Victims (Part 3)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 4 of Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting - More on the Rebranding of Dangerous Predators Into Faux Victims
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f/
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Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 5 of Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns & Gaslighting
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Updated
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The Rebranding Of Dangerous Predator’s Into Faux Victims & The Toxicity, Triangulation, Projection & Informal Fallacies Which Go Hand In Hand With Innocence Fraud
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 6
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/01/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18e%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Part 40
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/03/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-40/
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Further updates to Part 17d & more to follow
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
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What are those grifters Allan Jamieson c/o the forensic institute , Andrew Green & Michael Naughton playing at
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17e%ef%b8%8f/
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Further updates to Part 17d of the ongoing blog series Quite A Hall Tale
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/
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Tony Conlin
Dr Sandra Leans book ' No Smoke' is an essential read too, it helps understanding the mindset of the Police investigators, evidence gathering, supposition and the prosecutor's actions during trials to highlight just how cases come to court and are put together and more importantly how innocent people are convicted and miscarriages of justice come about. I've not read Scott's book yet but I've ordered it and I should have it by tomorrow one thing is without doubt now and that is LM in my mind is highly unlikely to have been involved with the slaying of [Name removed] other than when he went to search for her, I simply cannot find any way that he could have been involved other than that as the '3 planks' of the prosecution's case against him are purely conjecture and innuendo and a fabrication, with no PROOF of GUILT what so ever only ' it could have been ' but that's all.
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Tony Conlin45%1888
@TonyConlin
Replying to
@ticgran
and
@goodreads
Innocents Betrayed by Dr Sandra Leach
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Scott Forbes and Sandra Lean are completely and utterly deluded 🤣🤣
Stephanie (Hall) has one twitter account
She has had no direct contact with Sandra Lean since 2017 here
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382408.html#msg382408
And Stephanie does not knowingly communicate directly with @Ambedker/Scott Forbes on Twitter although she has been made aware that Scott Forbes is seemingly accusing anyone and everyone of being Stephanie (Hall) like here for
example
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https://twitter.com/AldoT75292320/status/1562507679649927170
Similar to what he and Sandra Lean have been doing with regards killer Luke Mitchell’s murderous and sadistic crime and attempting to blame innocent people for LM’s murder of [Name removed]
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‘Special’ ‘magic’ key? 🤣🤣🤣
No the blog clearly stated a ‘key’ to ‘an office’
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Read the blog
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Part 1
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
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‘Special’ ‘magic’ key? 🤣🤣🤣
No the blog clearly stated a ‘key’ to ‘an office’
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Read the blog
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Part 1
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
How and why do Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes go from a ‘key’ to adding arms and legs to make it become a ‘special’ or ‘magic’ key’ to those people they are duping?
Excerpt from blog re ‘key’
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‘What the above annual report did not mention is that it was around the time Scott Forbes was apparently ‘working 3 days per week’ with MOJO or Graham Mann solicitors, when Sandra Lean (See Part 17d of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series here http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17d%ef%b8%8f/ and Part 17f here http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17f%ef%b8%8f/ ) claimed she had obtained a ‘key’ to an ‘office’, where she was able to gain access to Jodi Jones killers case files, which she had not seen before.’
And where in the blog does it accuse Scott Forbes of giving Sandra Lean said ‘key’?
The following simply asks a question
‘Was the real reason Scott Forbes ‘didn’t want his name all over the Internet’ anything to do with him giving Sandra Lean access to sensitive and confidential case files which he wasn’t authorised to do?’
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Part 49 More Lies From Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
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Part 41 More Blatant Lies From The Innocence Fraud Camp - Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/03/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-41-2/
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Part 49 More Lies From Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
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Part 50 on Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-50/
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Who is charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean claiming was threatening to ’put pictures of my daughter and my home address and my phone number on the Internet’ and where is her evidence for her latest allegations
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-50/
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Before becoming power of attorney (PoA) was PhD student Sandra Lean given a ‘key’ by someone to gain access to an ‘office’ in order to view confidential case papers?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
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LATEST - Part 52
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/08/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-53/
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Further updates to Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud scam
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/08/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-53/
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More to follow
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/08/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-53/
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Index to the innocence fraud scam of killer Luke Mitchell, Corinne and the Mitchell family, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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I came across this post tonight by Corinne Mitchell and thought it worth reposting where it might at least be read by some people.
Ive just had my accountant in to pick up my accounts as it is VAT season...... :'(..........as usual he asked about Luke and how his case was coming along and told me he had seen Sandra and myself in the paper.....which he found spooky as he doesn't,as a rule buy that particular paper, and asked....what happens now.?
We got talking about police, lawyers and jurors in general and discussed how corrupt the police and the law were and how the jurors relied on these bodies to actually be truthful as at the end of the day it is their decision that affects the accused.
He admitted he was shocked, though indeed never really gave a second thought, how police and lawyers use words to simply "dupe" the jurors. I explained to him they used psychology for this..............he looked at me strangely and said.....like what....give me an example.
The police reported that Luke had "concealed" trousers in his hold~all........The trousers were "in" his hold~all...a hold~all used to go to his fathers every weekend and like all teenagers, never emptied from one week to the next (the trousers were taken to be tested and ofcourse, there was nothing on them except the usual from being worn).....if you use the word "concealed" to a jury it is going to make them think........oh! concealed eh?.....that's sinister, where if they were just told "in"....they would think...ok....and?
The police reported that I was "caught" on CCTV., again, put the word "caught" to a jury and it's going to make them think.......she was "caught"........that's not sounding so good for her is it? whereas if they had been told "seen"....they would think......ok she was seen. well at least it is proof she was at X at a certain time when she said she was......so she couldn't possibly have been at Y.!
My accountant shook his head and admitted he hadn't given it a second thought about how one word could completely change the context of something and what devastating results come with it.......................it just got me thinking how many people are of that same thought........I know, before all this began......I too, was one of these people.......I never thought for one moment that psychology would be used on a jury and they get away with it as they are not "technically" lying.....just using a small change of word!
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922336/#msg9922336
Those stories always go down a treat Corinne!
I bet you didn't tell him that Luke is serving a sentence because your eldest son Shane has a bad memory!
Toxic and deceptive Corinne Mitchell recycled a lot a of this for James English
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Part 53
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/09/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-53-2/
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More Lies From Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
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Part 55 ~ Killers Innocence Fraud Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/10/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-55/
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Part 55 ~ Killers Innocence Fraud Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/10/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-55/
Does anyone know if Sandra Lean or Billy Middleton communicated with Debbie, before and following Don Cargill’s visit to killer Adrian Prout?
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Part 55 ~ Killers Innocence Fraud Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/10/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-55/
Did Debbie Garlic not trust the lie detector/or tester or did someone tell her it must have been faulty?
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Part 54 ~ Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/10/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-54/
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Did Debbie Garlic not trust the lie detector/or tester or did someone tell her it must have been faulty?
According to a May 2019 here https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9076295/jeremy-kyle-show-lie-detector-firm-criminal-record/
‘Cargill allegedly sent letters to the makers of Trisha claiming that Burgess had been sacked for incompetence from a government-backed study to polygraph sex offenders.
But Burgess hit back by taking him to High Court where he sought £50,000 in aggravated damages claiming the allegation was untrue.
Cargill made an offer of amends, acknowledged that the allegation was untrue and agreed to pay damages and costs.
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Does anyone know if Sandra Lean or Billy Middleton communicated with Debbie, before and following Don Cargill’s visit to killer Adrian Prout?
Does anyone know the back story to the lie detector test?
Whose idea was it?
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Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/10/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-55/
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Were Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell into satanism before psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell carried out his murder of [Name removed]?
Did any of the Mitchell’s own books or other material on satanism prior to LM’s murder of [Name removed]?
And what exactly were they burning in the garden that night?
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How old was Shane Mitchell when he started collecting knives and what got him interested in them in the first instance?
Same applies to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell
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Were Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell into satanism before psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell carried out his murder of [Name removed]?
Does anyone know what Corinne or Shane Mitchell’s religious beliefs were prior to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell committing murder?
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Does anyone know when Corinne Mitchell started smoking weed and who her supplier was?
And did Philip Mitchell also smoke weed or was this something only Corinne and her sons did?
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And did Philip Mitchell also smoke weed or was this something only Corinne and her sons did?
Did Philip Mitchell also collect knives or was this something the Mitchell boys got into via their mothers side of the family?
And did Philip Mitchell, and/or his wife, ever buy the Mitchell boys knives?
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Barbara Bacon
7/. CONTAMINATED LOCUS AND THE POLICE "GUARD"
While the crime scene was still under police guard JaF managed to get in behind the police cording for his second posh wank in 24hours ?
And, assuming the Police are not to blame, someone managed to gain access to the crime scene, past the same police guard to bleach the scene without being seen.
Thus making it impossible for the search dogs to track the direction of the killer/killer's getaway. Keeping in mind that all the search dogs would have picked up on, other than bleach, would have been the scent of DD's spaniel working dogs that he had taken over the V in the wall after jodi's aparent time of death. And yet he said that his dogs, who were trained to detect such things, did not react to blood/body. To complicate matters further, a couple of days later Dalkeith police took DD over the wall again,with all of his dogs, to get his expert opinion... we ask his expert opinion on what exactly ?
#policeneedtoanswer
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Why did killer Luke Mitchell also lie about Kim T ?
"The jury in the Jodi Jones murder trial has heard evidence from a girl described as a look-alike for the dead Midlothian teenager.
Kimberley Thomson told the jury she had been the girlfriend of Luke Mitchell, the youth accused of murdering Jodi.
The High Court in Edinburgh heard that Miss Thomson, 15, met Mr Mitchell a year before he is alleged to have killed Jodi Jones.
He denies killing the 14-year-old schoolgirl in Dalkeith in June 2003.
Earlier during Thursday's proceedings, supermarket worker Robert Gilhooly, 17, who was described as a friend of Mr Mitchell's, said he had seen a photo of Miss Thomson and thought it was Jodi.
He told the jury that Mr Mitchell, 16, had also remarked on the likeness
Mr Gilhooly said: "He mentioned that they looked alike. He said they were almost identical."
Miss Thomson said that when she read about Jodi's death and the fact that Jodi had been Mr Mitchell's girlfriend, she was annoyed.
She said: "I was upset. I knew he had obviously been cheating on me."
Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, in Perthshire, said she got to know Mr Mitchell during the summer of 2002 when he came to her local area on holiday with his mother.
"He was a friend of my brother," she said.
Prosecuting advocate Alan Turnbull QC asked: "By the time the holiday had finished had you and he become friends?"
She replied that they were and added: "When he left, that was when we started dating."
The jury heard how Miss Thomson read about Jodi's death
When asked how she would describe her relationship with Mr Mitchell, she said: "Boyfriend and girlfriend."
Miss Thomson said they phoned each other and may have sent text messages as well.
Mr Mitchell visited Kenmore in the autumn of 2002 and Miss Thomson stayed at the Mitchell home in Dalkeith from Boxing Day until just after New Year.
The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
The teenager believed the visit was due to have been the weekend before Jodi was murdered but, when questioned about whether it could have been later, she said she could not remember.
Miss Thomson said she considered herself to be Mr Mitchell's girlfriend last summer.
Recalling how a friend showed her a newspaper article after Jodi's murder, she said: "Luke's name was in it and Dalkeith as well.
"His girlfriend had been murdered, or something like that."
Mr Turnbull asked if she had sent a text message to Mr Mitchell demanding an explanation.
"I cannot remember," Miss Thomson replied.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
The jury heard Det Con Thomson ask: "During the time you were going out with Jodi did you see other girls? Did you two-time Jodi?"
Mr Mitchell told him: "No"
He said he had not seen Kimberley since New Year and the last time he had phoned her was "about January-ish".
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull went through phone records which suggested that between January and June last year
there had apparently been 79 telephone calls between the two.
He said that when Jodi left in a taxi the accused phoned Kimberley's grandmother's house and it appeared they were on the phone more or less continuously between 2207 BST and 0130 BST that night.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4124093.stm
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Why did Corinne Mitchell tell killer Luke Mitchell to go and search for [Name removed]?
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4111441.stm
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‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4111441.stm
What does that dangerous clown Sandra Lean say about Corinne Mitchell’s bs to James English
at approx 07:10 here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
“Not at this time of night you’re not young man”
“I’m going out looking for her end of no argument ” *&^^&
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‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
What were liars Corinne and Shane Mitchell doing when Corinne sent her sadistic and psychopathic 14, almost 15, year old son out to meet with the ‘search party’?
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Did charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean ever mention killer Luke Mitchell’s phone screen was smashed?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/15/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-63/
or did she only ever refer to the handset that wasn’t smashed?
Fantasist and blagger Scott Forbes;
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‘His mobile phone’s screen was smashed and prevented him from seeing the time..’
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
“Luke Mitchell is a person without feeling or emotion. I witnessed this on the day I went to his house (after the discovery of Jodi's body)
"He stood there like a stick of rock, did not show any emotion at all whilst I tried to cuddle him and give him comfort”
“You are all a bunch of cyber court bullies. Shame on you all for your defamation of my baby” JuJ
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More from con artist and charlatan Sandra Lean (today)
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Cath Black Yes, Cath, you're probably right. But they're supposed to be impartial, independent experts. For years, every new case that's come to me, I've had to start at the beginning, look at all the available evidence from both sides, before even considering whether I accept claims that the person is innocent and wrongly accused. That's the standard experts are held to - it's not easy, but it has to be done, otherwise, you end up substituting opinion for fact and that can have devastating consequences.
Why didn't those "doctors" hold themselves to the standards their professions required of them, regardless of any pressure brought to bear by the police investigation? That was on them (the experts) - they made decisions about what to accept and on what basis, and they are as guilty as the police and media. It makes me so angry.
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More from con artist and charlatan Sandra Lean (today)
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Cath Black Yes, Cath, you're probably right. But they're supposed to be impartial, independent experts. For years, every new case that's come to me, I've had to start at the beginning, look at all the available evidence from both sides, before even considering whether I accept claims that the person is innocent and wrongly accused. That's the standard experts are held to - it's not easy, but it has to be done, otherwise, you end up substituting opinion for fact and that can have devastating consequences.
Why didn't those "doctors" hold themselves to the standards their professions required of them, regardless of any pressure brought to bear by the police investigation? That was on them (the experts) - they made decisions about what to accept and on what basis, and they are as guilty as the police and media. It makes me so angry.
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
In reality (August 2003) sadistic and psychopathic schoolboy killer Luke Mitchell was keen to get back to school
Nigel Beaumont, the Edinburgh solicitor representing Luke's family, said he was being excluded for no good reason. "He is very unhappy about it," Mr Beaumont said.
"Luke and his mother were asked to see the education authorities and were given this letter saying Luke was excluded for the first few days of term. The reason they gave is the maintenance of good order and to ensure Luke's own safety.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/21/ukcrime.kirstyscott
Nigel Beaumont being the same lawyer killer Luke Mitchell claimed he planned to sue
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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2011/03/13/luke-mitchell-to-launch-legal-battle-against-lawyer-who-prepared-defence-case/
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
The same sadistic and psychopathic “child” whose lawyer at the time said
‘Luke stayed away from school last week because it was “a very difficult time for him”
‘Luke was led to understand he would return to school in a normal way..’
‘He wants to be at school. He wants to go back to a full time school environment’
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
Why doesn’t dangerous clown Sandra Lean publish the psychologists report in full - along with all of killer Luke Mitchell’s psychiatry & psychology reports - as well as the panel of eduction officials reports
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-school-ban-stays-djp0bd0728v
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
What date did killer Luke Mitchell bump into Ben Sole in Edinburgh’s nightclub Studio 24?
And on what date did he first meet Gemma Chapman?
And what did Gemma Chapman say about killer Luke Mitchell’s demeanour throughout the time they were together?
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
Child psychopaths aren’t the same as non psychopathic children
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqwsCH2V-nE
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
What about Richard Hoskins?
Did he also write a report or just ‘confirm the black dahlia hypothesis’ to Craig Dobbie?
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=it48Wn7uVV4C&pg=PT213&lpg=PT213&dq=ritual+killing,jodi+jones&source=bl&ots=jlIB32-2xc&sig=ACfU3U2-V3m4E0KMAfJBtnpHaK2_pO1OOg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLz_bsqJn6AhXQgVwKHbw9Cbk4ChDoAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=ritual%20killing%2Cjodi%20jones&f=false
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Sandra Lean (Today)
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
What did Nigel Beaumont say about this at the time?
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Sandra Lean (Today)
To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
More barefaced lies from gouger and con artist Sandra Lean
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-1062928
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Jurors saw records showing that Mr Mitchell phoned his mother twice after midnight on the night Jodi died.
Mrs Mitchell said he did not tell her in those calls about Jodi's death.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4174661.stm
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Why doesn’t con artist and charlatan Sandra Lean publish killer Luke Mitchell’s police statements and transcripts, along with his toxic, abusive and psychological manipulative mothers Corinne Mitchell’s
Alex Power
Sandra Lean can I ask why after all the new information over the years and lack of evidence why nothing has ever been done or re opened investigation.
Sandra Lean
Alex Power Because, Alex, there is no will to re-examine it. It would open an entire can of worms that would be a huge embarrassment to the authorities and so they use technical legal arguments to knock back everything we uncover. Like the definition of "new evidence" - that which was not, or could not reasonably have been available to the defence at the time of the original trial. There are two immediate difficulties here - firstly, they can argue that virtually anything "could have been" known to the defence at the time (and often blame the defence for not "finding" it, even though it would have been virtually impossible for them to do so). Secondly, when they are forced to concede that something is "new evidence" (for example, the prosecution never disclosed it to the defence), they then argue that, even if it had been disclosed, it would not have had a "material effect" on the original jury's outcome.
The appeal process does not examine the original police investigation (which is the very place convictions like this are constructed in the first place), so that's not an option. Nor is a complaint to the police authorities - as recently as 2020, a report was published highlighting the failings of Police Scotland's complaints handling processes - it included things like, failure of officers to be "transparent," officers "getting their stories straight" before writing their statements, a tendency to cover for each other etc etc
The number of technicalities that have to be overcome to have a case re-examined is mind-blowing, yet the media would still have us believing that criminals are slipping off the hook because of legal technicalities and worse, that people are somehow having their convictions overturned on legal "technicalities." There are many, many people in prison who should not be there, because of an ocean of technicalities designed to keep them there, justice be damned, yet they have the audacity to claim that some who finally manage to navigate this minefield in order to have their convictions overturned are somehow "playing the system."
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble.
Why was sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell ‘late and in trouble’ if it had been toxic and abusive Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion for him to join the search ?
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Sandra Lean
The appeal process does not examine the original police investigation (which is the very place convictions like this are constructed in the first place), so that's not an option. Nor is a complaint to the police authorities - as recently as 2020, a report was published highlighting the failings of Police Scotland's complaints handling processes - it included things like, failure of officers to be "transparent," officers "getting their stories straight" before writing their statements, a tendency to cover for each other etc etc
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If sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell, dangerous clown and charlatan Sandra Lean, and toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell have nothing to hide
Publish the police witness statements & transcripts
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Sandra Lean’… yet they have the audacity to claim that some who finally manage to navigate this minefield in order to have their convictions overturned are somehow "playing the system."
And when will dangerous clown and innocence fraud promoter Sandra Lean explain how and why she got so much so wrong in killer Simon Hall’s case
15th November 2010
Sandra Lean
‘I am finished with MoJ work. I intended to bow out in October, but was talked around by many people at the UAI day. That was a mistake. I will finish Luke's case, and that's it. I have nothing left to give.’
1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’
Conviction Upheld
‘This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on.”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/the-innocence-fraud-con-of-a-killer-his-enablers/
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Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child) to see how he was coping/feeling after seeing his girlfriend lying dead/brutally murdered. He would have at least been in shock.
so why were there no medical help called into check the health of a 14 year old that would have been in shock due to the trauma before interrogation began?
#policeneedtoanswer
What exactly did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell tell the police on the 1st of July 2003, other than ‘…. he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion’
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion, after he had been contacted by Jodi's own mother when the schoolgirl failed to return home on 30 June.
He said he met Jodi's grandmother Alice Walker, Jodi's sister Janine and her fiancé Steven Kelly on the Roan's Dyke path that evening.
According to Luke Mitchell, the group walked past a v-shaped break in the wall bordering the path when the dog "had her nose in the air and had her paws on the wall" as if it was trying to sniff over the wall, the court heard.
Luke Mitchell then returned to the gap in the wall and climbed over.
He told police he saw legs like a "tailor's dummy", he took a step forward and registered that it was a body.
The statement added: "I could see blood on her neck... she was naked."
The accused also told police: "I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face, it looked like Jodi."
Jodi's grandmother was "hysterical" and "crying and screaming" after she went over the wall to look at the scene herself, Luke Mitchell told officers.
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Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child) to see how he was coping/feeling after seeing his girlfriend lying dead/brutally murdered. He would have at least been in shock.
so why were there no medical help called into check the health of a 14 year old that would have been in shock due to the trauma before interrogation began?
#policeneedtoanswer
What exactly did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell tell the police on the 1st of July 2003, other than ‘…. he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion’
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion, after he had been contacted by Jodi's own mother when the schoolgirl failed to return home on 30 June.
He said he met Jodi's grandmother Alice Walker, Jodi's sister Janine and her fiancé Steven Kelly on the Roan's Dyke path that evening.
According to Luke Mitchell, the group walked past a v-shaped break in the wall bordering the path when the dog "had her nose in the air and had her paws on the wall" as if it was trying to sniff over the wall, the court heard.
Luke Mitchell then returned to the gap in the wall and climbed over.
He told police he saw legs like a "tailor's dummy", he took a step forward and registered that it was a body.
The statement added: "I could see blood on her neck... she was naked."
The accused also told police: "I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face, it looked like Jodi."
Jodi's grandmother was "hysterical" and "crying and screaming" after she went over the wall to look at the scene herself, Luke Mitchell told officers.
What time did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell start giving his statement?
Where’s the rest of what he said in his statement?
How many pages was his statement?
Killer Luke Mitchell’s words below
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had her nose in the air and had her paws on the wall
tailor's dummy
I could see blood on her neck... she was naked
I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face, it looked like Jodi
hysterical
crying and screaming
Where’s the rest?
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What time did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell start giving his statement?
Where’s the rest of what he said in his statement?
How many pages was his statement?
Killer Luke Mitchell’s words below
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had her nose in the air and had her paws on the wall
tailor's dummy
I could see blood on her neck... she was naked
I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face, it looked like Jodi
hysterical
crying and screaming
Where’s the rest?
Maybe someone who has a copy of killer Luke Mitchell’s statement made on 1st of July 2003 will publish an un redacted version?
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’More than 100 witnesses are due to give evidence during the trial before Lord Nimmo Smith’
How many witnesses did charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean mention in her second book?
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How and why did toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell ‘forget’ about buying her sadistic and psychopathic killer son a knife for Christmas?
‘Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?'
'Yes, I do' replies Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.
Referring to a police interview she gave on April 14 last year - the day Luke was arrested - Mr Turnbull says: 'By the following April you had forgotten about buying it.'
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How and why did toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell ‘forget’ about buying her sadistic and psychopathic killer son a knife for Christmas?
‘Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?'
'Yes, I do' replies Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.
Referring to a police interview she gave on April 14 last year - the day Luke was arrested - Mr Turnbull says: 'By the following April you had forgotten about buying it.'
How many toxic, abusive and psychological manipulative mothers like Corinne Mitchell would buy their sons a knife for Christmas, after only a few months before their girlfriend had been murdered with such a weapon?
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
But, we should have been able to breathe a little easier when we discovered that a psychologist had been brought in for the 4th July interrogation - at least then, there was someone to assess the psychological carnage already inflicted on Luke, not just by the finding of Jodi's body, but by his treatment in the three full days since.
Not so. That psychologist did not speak with Luke or any member of his family. He did not consider how events since the night of 30th June might be impacting on them. He did not even consider that Luke might need to speak to someone, just to process some of the horror. Nope, he was there to assess whether Luke, if he was the killer, was likely to "do it again."
And it gets even worse. This "expert" (who should be struck off, in my opinion), without speaking to Luke or carrying out any psychological evaluation whatsoever, advised that "in line with goth culture" there was a chance that Luke could "seriously self harm" or "re-offend." Note that second word - RE- offend - as in, the assumption being he'd already offended. So, what did the police do with that information?
They subjected Luke to another 6 hour interrogation, after which they claim to have suggested that his parents "might want to keep an eye on him." What??? If they believed Luke was Jodi's killer and their own "expert" warned them he was likely to "re-offend," why on earth would they just let him walk out the door with a word to his parents to "keep an eye on him"?
The whole thing is beyond disgusting. To this day, Luke has had no help in processing what happened in that first week. That's how we treat children in this country.
What are dangerous clown and gouger Sandra Leans thoughts on toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell buying her sadistic and psychopathic killer son a knife for Christmas?
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Toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell told the court the reason she purchased another parka jacket for her sadistic and psychopathic killer son was because
’They were in fashion’
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On Corinne Mitchell
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The QC adds that she 'knew perfectly well' that items had been burned in their wood burner the day Jodi was killed and that Luke had lied to the police.
She replies: 'He was telling the truth.'
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Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child) to see how he was coping/feeling after seeing his girlfriend lying dead/brutally murdered. He would have at least been in shock.
so why were there no medical help called into check the health of a 14 year old that would have been in shock due to the trauma before interrogation began?
#policeneedtoanswer
Mr Mitchell - who denies the murder - was taken to Dalkeith Police station where he began to tell his story after a hug from his mother, the High Court in Edinburgh heard.
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Where’s the rest of what he said in his statement?
Killer Luke Mitchell’s words below
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had her nose in the air and had her paws on the wall
tailor's dummy
I could see blood on her neck... she was naked
I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face, it looked like Jodi
hysterical
crying and screaming
Where’s the rest?
Mr Mitchell wrote a statement which ran to 22 pages.
So what exactly was written in those 22 pages and why are sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and his abusive enablers hiding these statements and transcripts from their fans?
We walked past the V-shaped break in the wall and a few yards past that, not even 20 yards past that, Mia stopped and put her nose in the air and put her paws up on the wall as if trying to sniff over
I think she has smelled something
I saw this white thing which stuck out in the light. I could see it was legs, like a tailor's dummy. After I saw the legs I just took another step then I recognised it was a body lying there
I could see it was a female. There was blood on the neck. She was naked
I thought it was Jodi. I just recognised the face. It looked like Jodi's
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Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child) to see how he was coping/feeling after seeing his girlfriend lying dead/brutally murdered. He would have at least been in shock.
so why were there no medical help called into check the health of a 14 year old that would have been in shock due to the trauma before interrogation began?
#policeneedtoanswer
Mr Towers told the court:
“He was perfectly calm throughout the time it took to take that statement."
When asked by Donald Findlay QC, defending Mr Mitchell, if he had expected the youth to be climbing the walls, the detective replied: "Given the circumstances, I didn't know how I would find Luke Mitchell."
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Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child) to see how he was coping/feeling after seeing his girlfriend lying dead/brutally murdered. He would have at least been in shock.
so why were there no medical help called into check the health of a 14 year old that would have been in shock due to the trauma before interrogation began?
#policeneedtoanswer
Dr Kranti Hiremath, 49, said it was part of her duties as a forensic medical examiner to attend police stations and examine the victims of crime and suspects.
She said she had been called to Dalkeith police station in the early hours of 1 July, 2003, and had examined Mitchell.
He co-operated fully. She checked for any injuries, and saw an abrasion on each of Mitchell’s shins. The more recent was between 24 and 48 hours old. Mr Findlay asked: "There were no injuries that had the appearance of being received in the previous 12 hours?"
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Dr Kranti Hiremath, 49, said it was part of her duties as a forensic medical examiner to attend police stations and examine the victims of crime and suspects.
She said she had been called to Dalkeith police station in the early hours of 1 July, 2003, and had examined Mitchell.
He co-operated fully. She checked for any injuries, and saw an abrasion on each of Mitchell’s shins. The more recent was between 24 and 48 hours old. Mr Findlay asked: "There were no injuries that had the appearance of being received in the previous 12 hours?"
What did the police and prosecution say about his shin abrasions?
And how could Dr Hiremath be certain these injuries on sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell weren’t received earlier?
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Toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell told the court the reason she purchased another parka jacket for her sadistic and psychopathic killer son was because
’They were in fashion’
But according to toxic, abusive and psychological manipulator Corinne Mitchell, even though her son allegedly didn’t wear coats, the second parka was in the ‘sale’ by 2019 (James English)
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Mr Towers told the court:
“He was perfectly calm throughout the time it took to take that statement."
When asked by Donald Findlay QC, defending Mr Mitchell, if he had expected the youth to be climbing the walls, the detective replied: "Given the circumstances, I didn't know how I would find Luke Mitchell."
Dani Justice
it makes me feel sick at the pit of my stomach a 14 year old boy seeing what he did and no 'professional' ever showed any sort of care or regard for him after that experience he had. It's discusting that a 'professional' should even be allowed to make such unfounded statements about what Luke might do or could do without even meeting him! As soon as they had Luke in the police station all power and control was theirs :( the narrative went their way.
Why does Dani choose to ignore Dr Kranti Hiremath?
In reality Dani has no idea what went down at the police station whilst almost 15 year old sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell gave his 22 page statement.
Dani also has no idea what he told police in that 22 Paige statement that he and his abusive enablers have chosen to hide from the public
And Dani also has no idea what else the psychologist said in their report
Also there is no evidence he wasn’t asked if he was okay and pandered to by the police, or doctor, as suggested by Barbara Bacon
Barbara Bacon
On the 30th June 2003, Luke Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith police station where a doctor was called to forensically examine Luke. He was strip searched, had his DNA taken, nail scrappings done, pictures taken and then interrogated all night until 7am the next morning.
Not once was he asked if he was ok. There were no calls made to Doctors or Psychologist to be brought in to check how Luke was, (a 14 year old child)
And Barbara Bacon doesn’t appear to recognise her own contradiction
Dr Kranti Hiremath examined him and would have no doubt asked him if he was okay
‘Being a doctor, I have to treat all equally’
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https://www.deccanherald.com/content/110736/indian-origin-doc-gets-queens.html
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
Dr Kranti stated that her job is to visit crime scenes, to examine the victim or the accused, and to give an impartial forensic report. Ensuring people in custody receive the medical attention they require https://theinterviewportal.com/2017/08/24/forensic-medical-examiner-interview/
’Being a doctor, I have to treat all equally’
Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/content/110736/indian-origin-doc-gets-queens.html
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Today's "Questions the Police need to answer" got me thinking. The point was made that Luke was taken to the police station and everything that was done was done, without anyone ever checking if he was OK (or, at least, as OK as it would ever be possible to be in those circumstances) - the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi's murder.
In reality charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean is publishing yet more nonsense in an attempt to dupe anyone who buys into their belieif of her
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Part 63
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/15/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-63/
Part 64
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-64/
Part 65
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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How many fires in the back garden of the Mitchell’s does Sandra Lean refer to her book?
And does Sandra Lean say what time Corrine Mitchell was allegedly ‘trimming’ the ‘pampas grass’ and whether or not it was raining when she was allegedly trimming it?
’Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
The best time to trim pampas grass is in late winter
The foliage of pampas grass ‘is tough and razor sharp. You’ll need to wear leather gloves, long pants and a long sleeve shirt to avoid getting cut.
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/foliage/pampas-grass/pruning-pampas-grass.htm
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Does charlatan and fraudster mention Sonny Devlin and the incident at the Mackenzie mausoleum in her second book?
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Does charlatan and fraudster mention Sonny Devlin and the incident at the Mackenzie mausoleum in her second book?
And does Sandra Lean mention anything about killer Luke Mitchell’s prior involvement with Sonny Devlin ?
‘One former classmate of Mitchell’s, who also made the trip into Edinburgh to join the graveyard crowd, said:
"He mainly went there to smoke dope. He knew Sonny and his mate who broke into the tomb. They all used to hang out in the kirkyard.
"I saw him there with Jodi two days before she was killed. They were smoking cannabis together."
Devlin and his young accomplice, who can’t be named for legal reasons, became the first people in more than 100 years to be found guilty of violating a grave and a corpse.
Boys avoid jail for 'violating' tomb and beheading corpse
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/apr/24/ukcrime.scotland
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Does charlatan and fraudster mention Sonny Devlin and the incident at the Mackenzie mausoleum in her second book?
Does gouger Sandra Lean avoid mentioning killer Luke Mitchell’s pal Sonny Devlin
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’A teenage boy pretended to perform a sex act on a head which had been removed from a body in a graveyard tomb, a witness told a court today.
The 15-year-old girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also told the High Court in Edinburgh that Sonny Devlin, 17, was "chucking the head around".
Devlin, from Edinburgh, and another 15-year-old boy, who also cannot be identified, both deny "violation of a sepulchre".
It is alleged that on June 30, 2003, they forced open the entrance to the Mackenzie Mausoleum in the city's Greyfriars Cemetery.
They are accused of pulling out a body from a coffin in the lower level tomb and cutting off the head with a knife.
They are then alleged to have played with the head in the cemetery, simulated a sex act with it and then discarded it.
The female witness told the court she and a group of friends, including the two accused, had gathered in the city's Bristo Square before moving on to the cemetery.
Some of the group had been drinking alcohol, she said.
The witness, who was going out with the younger of the accused at the time and is still dating him, told the court that a member of a group of "goths" had said to her group, "Do you want to go and get the head of George Mackenzie?"
She said that Sonny agreed and he and the other accused went up the hill towards the mausoleum. Sonny was carrying a knife and latex gloves, she said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/teenager-simulated-sex-with-head-7231518.html
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Does gouger Sandra Lean avoid mentioning killer Luke Mitchell’s pal Sonny Devlin
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’A teenage boy pretended to perform a sex act on a head which had been removed from a body in a graveyard tomb, a witness told a court today.
The 15-year-old girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also told the High Court in Edinburgh that Sonny Devlin, 17, was "chucking the head around".
Devlin, from Edinburgh, and another 15-year-old boy, who also cannot be identified, both deny "violation of a sepulchre".
It is alleged that on June 30, 2003, they forced open the entrance to the Mackenzie Mausoleum in the city's Greyfriars Cemetery.
They are accused of pulling out a body from a coffin in the lower level tomb and cutting off the head with a knife.
They are then alleged to have played with the head in the cemetery, simulated a sex act with it and then discarded it.
The female witness told the court she and a group of friends, including the two accused, had gathered in the city's Bristo Square before moving on to the cemetery.
Some of the group had been drinking alcohol, she said.
The witness, who was going out with the younger of the accused at the time and is still dating him, told the court that a member of a group of "goths" had said to her group, "Do you want to go and get the head of George Mackenzie?"
She said that Sonny agreed and he and the other accused went up the hill towards the mausoleum. Sonny was carrying a knife and latex gloves, she said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/teenager-simulated-sex-with-head-7231518.html
And did Sandra Lean’s daughter also hang around Greyfriars cemetery and/or know this group?
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Does gouger Sandra Lean avoid mentioning killer Luke Mitchell’s pal Sonny Devlin
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’A teenage boy pretended to perform a sex act on a head which had been removed from a body in a graveyard tomb, a witness told a court today.
The 15-year-old girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also told the High Court in Edinburgh that Sonny Devlin, 17, was "chucking the head around".
Devlin, from Edinburgh, and another 15-year-old boy, who also cannot be identified, both deny "violation of a sepulchre".
It is alleged that on June 30, 2003, they forced open the entrance to the Mackenzie Mausoleum in the city's Greyfriars Cemetery.
They are accused of pulling out a body from a coffin in the lower level tomb and cutting off the head with a knife.
They are then alleged to have played with the head in the cemetery, simulated a sex act with it and then discarded it.
The female witness told the court she and a group of friends, including the two accused, had gathered in the city's Bristo Square before moving on to the cemetery.
Some of the group had been drinking alcohol, she said.
The witness, who was going out with the younger of the accused at the time and is still dating him, told the court that a member of a group of "goths" had said to her group, "Do you want to go and get the head of George Mackenzie?"
She said that Sonny agreed and he and the other accused went up the hill towards the mausoleum.Sonny was carrying a knife and latex gloves, she said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/teenager-simulated-sex-with-head-7231518.html
And did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell also carry around latex gloves?
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And does Sandra Lean mention anything about killer Luke Mitchell’s prior involvement with Sonny Devlin ?
‘One former classmate of Mitchell’s, who also made the trip into Edinburgh to join the graveyard crowd, said:
"He mainly went there to smoke dope. He knew Sonny and his mate who broke into the tomb. They all used to hang out in the kirkyard.
"I saw him there with Jodi two days before she was killed. They were smoking cannabis together."
Devlin and his young accomplice, who can’t be named for legal reasons, became the first people in more than 100 years to be found guilty of violating a grave and a corpse.
Did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell supply drugs to Sonny Devlin ?
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Did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell supply drugs to Sonny Devlin ?
Sonny Devlin went on to become a traffic warden for a short time
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-grave-robber-loses-job-1032478
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Did sadistic and psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell supply drugs to Sonny Devlin ?
Sonny Devlin
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https://www.alamy.com/sonny-devlin-who-cut-off-the-head-of-a-corpse-and-played-with-it-in-a-graveyard-escaped-a-jail-term-devlin-17-and-a-15-year-old-who-cannot-be-named-for-legal-reasons-were-both-given-probation-at-the-high-court-in-edinburgh-devlin-from-edinburgh-was-sentenced-to-three-years-probation-with-the-condition-that-he-carries-out-200-hours-of-community-service-his-15-year-old-accomplice-was-given-two-years-probation-image380550898.html
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Does gouger Sandra Lean avoid mentioning killer Luke Mitchell’s pal Sonny Devlin
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’A teenage boy pretended to perform a sex act on a head which had been removed from a body in a graveyard tomb, a witness told a court today.
The 15-year-old girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also told the High Court in Edinburgh that Sonny Devlin, 17, was "chucking the head around".
Devlin, from Edinburgh, and another 15-year-old boy, who also cannot be identified, both deny "violation of a sepulchre".
It is alleged that on June 30, 2003, they forced open the entrance to the Mackenzie Mausoleum in the city's Greyfriars Cemetery.
They are accused of pulling out a body from a coffin in the lower level tomb and cutting off the head with a knife.
They are then alleged to have played with the head in the cemetery, simulated a sex act with it and then discarded it.
The female witness told the court she and a group of friends, including the two accused, had gathered in the city's Bristo Square before moving on to the cemetery.
Some of the group had been drinking alcohol, she said.
The witness, who was going out with the younger of the accused at the time and is still dating him, told the court that a member of a group of "goths" had said to her group, "Do you want to go and get the head of George Mackenzie?"
She said that Sonny agreed and he and the other accused went up the hill towards the mausoleum. Sonny was carrying a knife and latex gloves, she said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/teenager-simulated-sex-with-head-7231518.html
A similar incident was reported a couple of years later
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/BODY+SNATCH+GHOULS+RETURN+FOR+THE+DEAD%3B+Skull+impaled+on+spike...-a0138907623
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According to a post on one of the innocence fraud Facebook groups someone has put three ‘pillars’ of evidence
‘Pillar one guilty knowledge’
‘Pillar two evidence of witness of AB’
&
‘Pillar three Luke’s alibi’
Who decided to choose to put 42 days worth of evidence heard during killer Luke Mitchell’s into ‘three pillars’ ?
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Where did killer Luke Mitchell’s interest in the ‘teachings of satan’ stem from?
After the teacher referred him to guidance staff, Mitchell wrote in another essay: “Just because I am more violent than others and cut myself, does that justify some pompous git of a teacher to refer me to a psychiatrist? Just because I have chosen to follow the teachings of Satan doesn’t mean I need psychiatric help.”
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Where did killer Luke Mitchell’s interest in the ‘teachings of satan’ stem from?
’But far from hiding his taste for the macabre he goaded officers in a series of off-the-record interviews.
He also peppered a conversation with a police psychologist with references to Marilyn Manson songs and paintings.
He spoke about The Black Dahlia and Manson's gruesome painting of Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short's multilated corpse.
One pal who asked not to be named said: 'Luke was really immersed in all sorts of things to do with Satan.'
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’But far from hiding his taste for the macabre he goaded officers in a series of off-the-record interviews.
He also peppered a conversation with a police psychologist with references to Marilyn Manson songs and paintings.
He spoke about The Black Dahlia and Manson's gruesome painting of Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short's multilated corpse.
One pal who asked not to be named said: 'Luke was really immersed in all sorts of things to do with Satan.'
Which psychologist did killer Luke Mitchell reference ‘Marilyn Manson songs and paintings’ to?
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’But far from hiding his taste for the macabre he goaded officers in a series of off-the-record interviews.
He also peppered a conversation with a police psychologist with references to Marilyn Manson songs and paintings.
He spoke about The Black Dahlia and Manson's gruesome painting of Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short's multilated corpse.
One pal who asked not to be named said: 'Luke was really immersed in all sorts of things to do with Satan.'
Amd who did killer Luke Mitchell speak to about ‘The Black Dahlia and Manson's gruesome painting of Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short's multilated corpse’ ?
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Barbara Bacon
Q4, It is common practice for the police to wear gloves when collecting evidence or anything that could become evidence, before placing it in a secure evidence bag to minimise the risk of contaminating any DNA or fibres that may be found and used as evidence.
Yet on the 30th June 2003, when Luke was taken to Dalkeith police station to be stripped and all items of clothing retained for forensic testing, the 2 police officers collecting Luke’s clothing had half of the clothes in a bag before one officer stopped and said to the other, "should we not be wearing gloves for this?"
They then proceeded to remove the clothes already packed out of the bag put on gloves and then procedeed to repack the bag again!!!!!
Who were these incompetent officers?
Were they ever spoken to or were they ever reprimanded for there lack of professionalism?
#policeneedtoanswer
Sharon Indy Sunshine
The thing is it's not just incompetent it's sneaky too, because if in court they are asked "Did you wear gloves?" they can say yes without perjuring themselves.
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Part 19 of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series (including a copy of Private Eye magazine’s 2009 article which killer Luke Mitchell fans may be interested in)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/19/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 19 of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series (including a copy of Private Eye magazine’s 2009 article which killer Luke Mitchell fans may be interested in)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/19/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/19/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19a%ef%b8%8f/
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How did gouger, blagger and fraudster Sandra Lean go from this
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382408.html#msg382408
to this
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg9-_wpxoTk
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Link to Part 19a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/19/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19a%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19b of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/28/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19b%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19b of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/28/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19b%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19c of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/28/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19c%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19c of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/28/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19c%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19d of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19d%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Link to Part 19d of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19d%ef%b8%8f-2/
Link to Part 19e of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19d%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19e of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19d%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19f of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/01/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19f%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19f of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/01/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19f%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19g of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/02/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19g%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19g of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/02/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19g%ef%b8%8f/
Latest
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19g%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Link to Part 19h of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19h-%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19h of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/04/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19h-%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19i of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/02/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19g%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19i of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/02/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19g%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19j of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19j%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19j of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19j%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19k of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19k%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19k of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19k%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19l of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19l%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19l of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19l%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19m of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19m%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19m of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/07/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19m%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19n of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19n%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19n of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19n%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19o of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19o%ef%b8%8f/
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I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’
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Link to Part 19o of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19o%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19p of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19p%ef%b8%8f/
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19p%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19q of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19q%ef%b8%8f/
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Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19p%ef%b8%8f/
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19q%ef%b8%8f/
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Link to Part 19q of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/10/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19q%ef%b8%8f/
Link to Part 19r of the Quite A Hall Tale blog series
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19r%EF%B8%8F/
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The Fraudulent Public Relations Campaign & #InnocenceFraud of Psychopathic Schoolboy Killer Luke Mitchell His Toxic & Abusive Enablers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones%f0%9f%8c%bb-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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Coming Soon…
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/19/coming-soon/
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Part 72 ‘Admin’ Stephanie Nicol On What She Thinks She Knows About The Trial & Evidence That Convicted A Dangerous Teenage Psychopath
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-killer/
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Part 72 ‘Admin’ Stephanie Nicol On What She Thinks She Knows About The Trial & Evidence That Convicted A Dangerous Teenage Psychopath
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-killer/
Updated to include a statement by toxic abuser Janet Docherty
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-killer/
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Updated to include a statement by toxic abuser Janet Docherty
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-killer/
Is Janet Docherty aware of the book solicitor and con artist John Morris wrote about dangerous mass murder, child killer, predator and sexual deviant David Morris
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-teenage-psychopath-part-72/
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Further updates
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-teenage-psychopath-part-72/
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23 hours ago
Sandra Lean
Sans Howie And another "error" - no, the call from Jodi's mum didn't go to Luke's house, you're right, it went to Luke's mobile, when he was out with the dog for her last walk of the night
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Dropping Soon..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/19/coming-soon/
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23 hours ago
Sandra Lean
Sans Howie And another "error" - no, the call from Jodi's mum didn't go to Luke's house, you're right, it went to Luke's mobile, when he was out with the dog for her last walk of the night
In reality
Sandra Lean has no idea where teenage psycho Luke Mitchell was when he received JuJ’s text and call
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And Sandra Lean has never explained why Corinne Mitchell would by burning pampas grass in her back garden in June
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And Sandra Lean has never explained why Corinne Mitchell would by burning pampas grass in her back garden in June
Or where the pampas grass was located and where exactly in the garden Corinne allegedly burnt the pampas grass or if she wore gloves
“Once established, pampas grass care is minimal, requiring little maintenance other than watering in extreme drought. It should also be pruned each year to the ground. This is usually performed in late winter or early spring. Due to the plant’s sharp foliage, the task of pruning should be done with great care using gloves and a long-sleeved shirt.
Read more at Gardening Know How: Pampas Grass Care – How To Grow Pampas Grass https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/foliage/pampas-grass/growing-pampas-grass.htm
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Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'I could have been burning pampas grass because I was trimming it.'
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/23/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-11/
The risk of the police chapping on the Mitchell’s door
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/09/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-71/
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Lorraine Chapman
I was working at Newbattle at this time and term ended early July however after Jody was found many children did not come back for the last few days and lots of support was put into the school for the remaining kids in terms of emotional support etc. So it was a very quiet few days except police in the playgrounds. I do remember them removing Jodie's body through the school play ground at break time the day after she was found - really upsetting for everyone to see !
Jennifer Anne Johnston
Lorraine Chapman wtf!! Why in the hell did they do that? It was full of kids! Jesus Christ! That's totally disgusting!!
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Stephanie Nicol
Allan Champ as said in the live, Luke checked up on whether Jodi was still coming by calling her house phone. He was told “they just left” by AO (her mother’s partner) so he had it confirmed that she’d left to meet him.
He waited for her, she didn’t show so then he told his mum to tell her where he’d be if she turned up at the house as he was still taking AO’s word that she was on her way.
I don’t think you could really ask much more than that for a 14 year old that had no indication at this time that Jodi was going to come to any harm.
Plus, her mobile phone was broken so he couldn’t text her even if he had thought to.
In reality Stephanie Nicol has no idea what killer Luke Mitchell was doing or where he was when he phoned AO
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-teenage-psychopath-part-72/
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Stephanie Nicol
Allan Champ as said in the live, Luke checked up on whether Jodi was still coming by calling her house phone. He was told “they just left” by AO (her mother’s partner) so he had it confirmed that she’d left to meet him.
He waited for her, she didn’t show so then he told his mum to tell her where he’d be if she turned up at the house as he was still taking AO’s word that she was on her way.
I don’t think you could really ask much more than that for a 14 year old that had no indication at this time that Jodi was going to come to any harm.
Plus, her mobile phone was broken so he couldn’t text her even if he had thought to.
What about the 14 year old killer of Maddie Clifton
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Stephanie Nicol
Allan Champ as said in the live, Luke checked up on whether Jodi was still coming by calling her house phone. He was told “they just left” by AO (her mother’s partner) so he had it confirmed that she’d left to meet him.
He waited for her, she didn’t show so then he told his mum to tell her where he’d be if she turned up at the house as he was still taking AO’s word that she was on her way.
I don’t think you could really ask much more than that for a 14 year old that had no indication at this time that Jodi was going to come to any harm.
Plus, her mobile phone was broken so he couldn’t text her even if he had thought to.
And the 13 year old killer of Derrick Joseph Robie
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Stephanie Nicol
Allan Champ as said in the live, Luke checked up on whether Jodi was still coming by calling her house phone. He was told “they just left” by AO (her mother’s partner) so he had it confirmed that she’d left to meet him.
He waited for her, she didn’t show so then he told his mum to tell her where he’d be if she turned up at the house as he was still taking AO’s word that she was on her way.
I don’t think you could really ask much more than that for a 14 year old that had no indication at this time that Jodi was going to come to any harm.
Plus, her mobile phone was broken so he couldn’t text her even if he had thought to.
and the 14 year old killer of Ava White
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Stephanie Nicol
Allan Champ as said in the live, Luke checked up on whether Jodi was still coming by calling her house phone. He was told “they just left” by AO (her mother’s partner) so he had it confirmed that she’d left to meet him.
He waited for her, she didn’t show so then he told his mum to tell her where he’d be if she turned up at the house as he was still taking AO’s word that she was on her way.
I don’t think you could really ask much more than that for a 14 year old that had no indication at this time that Jodi was going to come to any harm.
Plus, her mobile phone was broken so he couldn’t text her even if he had thought to.
What does Stephanie Nicol make of the 14 year old killer of Robert Buncis
https://www.lincolnshireworld.com/news/crime/roberts-murder-14-year-old-carried-out-savage-knife-attack-on-schoolboy-3297186
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Geraldine Dunn - Group expert
Allan you make a relevant point about putting yourself back into a 14 year old mindset something that most in the media did not do , when they discuss Luke's actions they are judging it on adult perspective and not a teenager which if I remember was more easy come easy go and not thinking and sometimes in our own little world , Luke was 14 he wouldn't automatically think something is wrong and actually him calling the family home twice to see if she is coming may have felt uncomfortable if I remember right having interaction with adults was such a bore lol . He was only seeing Jodi for around 3-4 months approx so it was still a relatively new relationship and I can see him not wanting to keep pestering the family line ( no other method to check ) . Their was another occasion she did not turn up in the past I can't remember the reason but I know it happened , (I think she was in her cousins and went way pass her curfew) but on that occasion the police were not called out and she was a lot later than what she was on the 30th June so like a lot of teenagers we test our parents rules and I don't think Jodi was any different. Jodi may have met up with someone else, had a smoke with someone else , went to her cousins again , may hav given her mum cheek and grounded again and it would be awkward for Luke to keep calling the family home he might have even thought he had been stood up , like you say as soon as you put yourself into the 14 year old mindset it gives a totally different perspective ✌️⚖
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Stephanie Watson
If she smoked drugs within 2 hours of her death that would suggest she either smoked it before she got home from school or she smoked at home or she smoked it after she left to meet luke that would suggest she wasn't intending to meet luke at all? Like who was she with whilst smoking?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-teenage-psychopath-part-72/
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Dropping Now ~ Satanist killer Luke Mitchell & his spiritual twin Damien Echols
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo&feature=youtu.be
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Part 73 ~ Killer Luke Mitchell’s DNA
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/21/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-lukes-dna-part-73/
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Part 74 ~ Sandra Lean’s version of the DNA
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/21/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-sandra-lean-version-of-the-dna-part-74/
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Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/20/killer-luke-mitchell-admin-stephanie-nicol-on-what-she-thinks-she-knows-about-the-trial-evidence-that-convicted-a-dangerous-teenage-psychopath-part-72/
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Liar Corinne Mitchell claimed her sons lips were BLUE after her and his father Philip Mitchell were taken to see him before he was returned to YOI after his trial
‘Blue lips’?
Did Philip Mitchell also claim his son lips were blue?
How many people has Corinne Mitchell seen, after being hit over the head with a mallet, whose lips have turned blue?
(Soirce: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4)
“..face was deathly white and lips were blue” ~ Corinne Mitchell
Blue lips?
Did Corinne Mitchell see [Name removed] after her son had murdered her?
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23 hours ago
Sandra Lean
Sans Howie And another "error" - no, the call from Jodi's mum didn't go to Luke's house, you're right, it went to Luke's mobile, when he was out with the dog for her last walk of the night
According to liar Corinne Mitchell he “was away two seconds” (walking the dog) before he was contacted by JuJ
What was killer Luke Mitchell doing outside at 10pm?
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James English asked Corinne Mitchell why her son didn’t take the stand if he was innocent
Why did liar Corinne Mitchell claim to James English her son was age 15 during his trial ?
“When you’re 15 you do not argue with Findlay” ~ Corinne Mitchell
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”He killed it”
“He murdered it”
Why did liar Corinne Mitchell choose to make these 2 statements to James English while talking about the murder of 14 year old [Name removed]
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“Every time she opened her mouth she lied” ~ Corinne Mitchell
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How did liar Corinne Mitchell know the missing parka jacket ‘weighed a tonne’ ?
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Why did liar Corinne Mitchell tell James English her son wasn’t a fan a Marilyn Manson when she knew he was?
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Part 75
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-when-the-mask-slips/
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Part 76
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-shane-corinne-mitchell-perverting-the-course-of-justice-part-76/
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23 hours ago
Sandra Lean
Sans Howie And another "error" - no, the call from Jodi's mum didn't go to Luke's house, you're right, it went to Luke's mobile, when he was out with the dog for her last walk of the night
Kirsty Hesp
More questions.... Goes through my head constantly...On the documentary with James English part 2. Their was the text sent "Saying Toad, right that's it. Home your grounded",. Then Luke rang JuJ saying he had never seen or been with her. Then CM mentions another call that JuJ had made back to L. saying she was organising a search party and he was going out looking for her?. CM then says "Well your taking the dog as by this time it was late",
Seems Kirsty Hesp has forgotten about Corinne stating “not at this time of night your not”
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Part 77
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-wheres-shane-mitchell-part-77/
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Dropping Now ~ Satanist killer Luke Mitchell & his spiritual twin Damien Echols
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo&feature=youtu.be
Comparisons were made in the above podcast to Pamela Smart’s media interview
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/diane-sawyer-interviews-pamela-smart-bedford-hills-prison-63514243
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Part 78
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-dangerous-innocencefraud-promoter-sandra-lean-part-78/
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Part 79
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/22/killer-luke-mitchell-is-stephanie-nicol-finally-recognising-shes-being-duped-by-dangerous-charlatan-innocence-fraudster-sandra-leans-cherry-pickings/
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Part 80
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azaria-isnt-carrying-out-due-diligence-part-80/
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Why are killer Luke Mitchell fans claiming he had a subscription to a magazine as opposed to having purchased the CD & bonus DVD from Sainsbury’s?
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Part 81
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azalia-part-81/
Part 82
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-pro-knox-woman-michelle-moore-moderator-for-cult-like-sadistic-psychopath-killers-facebook-group-part-82/
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Part 83
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/24/killer-luke-mitchell-aka-ian-tytler-sandra-lean-was-duped-by-the-mitchells-innocence-fraud-now-shes-duping-you-part-83/
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Why did liar Corinne Mitchell tell James English her son wasn’t a fan a Marilyn Manson when she knew he was?
What was Philip Mitchell’s evidence and what did his partner say about psycho killer Luke Mitchell and why his dad and his dads partner got him a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday
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Sandra Lean 24th October 2022
Kirstie Hesp The forensics officer did not need to go over the wall - only a few hundred yards further up is the big break in the wall that goes all the way down to the ground - no climbing required. Alternatively, entry through the field between Newbattle Abbey and the woodland strip would have meant simply stepping over the wire fence - I'm only 5' 2" and I can step over it without having to "climb"!
Although items of Jodi's clothing were gathered up before the other forensics officer arrived the following morning, there are no details of how that was done - were they lifted individually, bagged and tagged as they were collected, of were they just all gathered up together, like they did with Luke's clothes - stuffed everything into one bag????
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What was Philip Mitchell’s evidence and what did his partner say about psycho killer Luke Mitchell and why his dad and his dads partner got him a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday
And was this one of the items the Mitchell’s forgot to burn ?
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Part 84
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
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As per usual - warped minded fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes has got his facts wrong
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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Hat about Jigsawmans 4.55pm call to the office
Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452006.html#msg452006
Luke spoke to his mum before 16.30 and therefore before the exchange of texts between his and Judith's phones at 16.34 - 16.38 and he called the speaking clock at 16.54.
Jigsawman Aka Sandra Lean
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Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
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Part 85
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-the-merciless-abuse-hounding-character-assassination-by-sandra-lean-aka-jigsawman-part-85/
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Part 86
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-doesnt-tell-a-true-story-never-has-part-86/
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Part 87
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-how-the-actual-truth-is-on-a-completely-different-parallel-to-the-manipulation-sandra-lean-uses-part-87/
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Ana is so deluded she appears to have forgotten killer Luke Mitchell’s guilt has been proven
Ana Azaria
Lyndsay Mcneill That article also quotes Jodi's friend as saying that no one could do what was done to Jodi and not be psychotic - the last person seen following Jodi suffered psychosis and had cancelled an appointment with his mental health nurse in the day of the murder. This was not before the jury at all. During assessment, Luke was not found to have any mental health issues. If the police had carried out thorough investigation, we wouldn't have all these questions.
I’m not sure what you mean in regards to the phone calls, there wasn't any evidence of calls to Jodi's friends being made, not from the numbers logged in the files
Lyndsay
Ana Azaria I don’t think the person would lie about getting a call from juj,we can’t dismiss everything that isn’t supportive of Luke being innocent everything has to be considered ! I know all about [Name removed] I knew him and live a street away . Someone calling you psychotic doesn’t mean you are psychotic means mental and anyone who kills isn’t only mental health it’s because of evil. This is why people think we are all conspiracy theorists anything anyone says is shot down
Ana Azaria
Lyndsay Mcneill I totally get what you're saying, I try to be very aware of confirmation bias etc, and I've never felt the need to be biased, I don't have any emotional involvement in the case and I try to look at it objectively. My point was more that even if these things did turn out to be true - and I try to go by confirmed facts and not assume - but even if we consider that they might be - it still doesn't prove Luke's guilt. If you look at a list of all of the points of concern against everyone known to the investigation (and include the points you mentioned too), others have longer lists than Luke's. But we need more definitive evidence/proof. If the investigation had been carried out far more thoroughly and hadn't been such a farse, we wouldn't be left with so many of these questions.
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Ana is so deluded she appears to have forgotten killer Luke Mitchell’s guilt has been proven
Ana Azaria
Lyndsay Mcneill That article also quotes Jodi's friend as saying that no one could do what was done to Jodi and not be psychotic - the last person seen following Jodi suffered psychosis and had cancelled an appointment with his mental health nurse in the day of the murder. This was not before the jury at all. During assessment, Luke was not found to have any mental health issues. If the police had carried out thorough investigation, we wouldn't have all these questions.
I’m not sure what you mean in regards to the phone calls, there wasn't any evidence of calls to Jodi's friends being made, not from the numbers logged in the files
Lyndsay
Ana Azaria I don’t think the person would lie about getting a call from juj,we can’t dismiss everything that isn’t supportive of Luke being innocent everything has to be considered ! I know all about [Name removed] I knew him and live a street away . Someone calling you psychotic doesn’t mean you are psychotic means mental and anyone who kills isn’t only mental health it’s because of evil. This is why people think we are all conspiracy theorists anything anyone says is shot down
Ana Azaria
Lyndsay Mcneill I totally get what you're saying, I try to be very aware of confirmation bias etc, and I've never felt the need to be biased, I don't have any emotional involvement in the case and I try to look at it objectively. My point was more that even if these things did turn out to be true - and I try to go by confirmed facts and not assume - but even if we consider that they might be - it still doesn't prove Luke's guilt. If you look at a list of all of the points of concern against everyone known to the investigation (and include the points you mentioned too), others have longer lists than Luke's. But we need more definitive evidence/proof. If the investigation had been carried out far more thoroughly and hadn't been such a farse, we wouldn't be left with so many of these questions.
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Someone needs to tell Ana that Sandra Lean’s ‘evidence’ is not the same as the actual factual evidence
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Sandra Lean
The first book was not withdrawn because it was full of lies and mistakes -
The first book wasn’t ‘withdrawn ‘
And it most certainly was (and is) full of lies
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Part 89
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
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Part 90
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-sunshine-gullible-you-certainly-are-part-80/
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Part 91
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
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Part 89 UPDATED
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
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Part 91
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
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UPDATED
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If Matthew Elliott cannot answer the questions maybe Scott Forbes can tell us all about ‘adoptee’ mothers and their killer sons
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
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Part 89 UPDATED
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
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Further UPDATES
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What impact did being an ‘adoptee’ have on Corinne Mitchell’s relationship with her sons?
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What impact did being an ‘adoptee’ have on Corinne Mitchell’s relationship with her sons?
Why did killer Luke Mitchell have suicidal idealisations?
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Further UPDATES to Part 89
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
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UPDATE - Part 90
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-sunshine-gullible-you-certainly-are-part-80/
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Charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean posted a list of aliases she used in the past (on various forums) over on the blue forum
How many did she omit?
And did Sandra Lean ever post on the Gerard Keegan forum ?
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Was Martin Morrow from Gerard Keegan pro boards this Martin Morrow
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https://www.mtmdefence.co.uk/team/martin-morrow.html
or someone else?
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Who was the ‘friend’ of Corinne Mitchell’s who lied via the media in an attempt to pretend they were conned
"One thing she deeply regrets, though, is that television interview they gave on the day of Jodi's funeral. Corinne says Luke wanted to go to pay his respects but they were conned by the TV people and it ended up looking really bad."
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Who was the ‘friend’ of Corinne Mitchell’s who lied via the media in an attempt to pretend they were conned
"One thing she deeply regrets, though, is that television interview they gave on the day of Jodi's funeral. Corinne says Luke wanted to go to pay his respects but they were conned by the TV people and it ended up looking really bad."
Corinne Mitchell wasn’t ‘conned’ by anyone - her and her killer son staged the entire television interview
Even ensuring the killer lit the candles on camera
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Corinne Mitchell wasn’t ‘conned’ by anyone - her and her killer son staged the entire thing
Even ensuring the killer lit the candles on camera
In reality - Corinne Mitchell always was a callous and twisted individual
That’s the true story that has yet to be told
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Colin Bowman
“I've personally spoken to Mrs Mitchell by phone, and to a professional prison worker also in contact with the family: and we have shared concerns about the case.
I am mindful to remain in contact with the family, and become part of a loose network supporting Luke and his family..”
Who was the prison worker ‘also in contact with the family’?
Was Sandra Lean the prison worker?
I don’t believe the note through the door bs
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Corinne Mitchell (15th of March 2010)
“never was a PHD mentioned.....you are not in the book so you have no personal experience of sandras approach.
we were all given our chapters to read and got the opportunity to change anything we were not happy about.
she hasn't "mislead" anyone. she has written facts and gained her information from many sources”
More lies from compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell
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Colin Bowman
“I've personally spoken to Mrs Mitchell by phone, and to a professional prison worker also in contact with the family: and we have shared concerns about the case.
I am mindful to remain in contact with the family, and become part of a loose network supporting Luke and his family..”
Who was the prison worker ‘also in contact with the family’?
Was Sandra Lean the prison worker?
I don’t believe the note through the door bs
Sandra Lean (13th January 2017)
”My original hope had been to work with young offenders in the field of rehabilitation, however, life had a different plan for me”.
Did Sandra Lean carry out voluntary work within a young offenders ?
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Sandra Lean (13th January 2017)
”My original hope had been to work with young offenders in the field of rehabilitation, however, life had a different plan for me”.
Did Sandra Lean carry out voluntary work within a young offenders ?
When are where exactly did Sandra Lean first meet sadistic killer Luke Mitchell?
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When are where exactly did Sandra Lean first meet sadistic killer Luke Mitchell?
This bs was also a lie
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https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
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This bs was also a lie
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https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
Sandra Lean
“But my girls used a path to walk to Newbattle High School - not the path where Jodi died, but one not unlike it. I wanted to know that they were safe,"
Where was Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter living?
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This bs was also a lie
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https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
“Her inquiries took her to Mitchell's mother, Corinne, and eventually to Polmont Young Offenders Institute, where the teenager remains behind bars”
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“She had already met Luke before his conviction, but seeing him locked up brought home to her once more the enormity of his case. "He is just a laddie sitting there”
“He absolutely, categorically says he did not do it and I have never seen anything in him to suggest he did”
What was she meant to see?
Horns growing out of his head?
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Colin Bowman
“I've personally spoken to Mrs Mitchell by phone, and to a professional prison worker also in contact with the family: and we have shared concerns about the case.
I am mindful to remain in contact with the family, and become part of a loose network supporting Luke and his family..”
Who was the prison worker ‘also in contact with the family’?
Was Sandra Lean the prison worker?
I don’t believe the note through the door bs
Colin Bowman (11th Feb 2005)
“I've written to Findlay, Mrs Mitchell and Luke: and subsequently spoken to Mrs Mitchell on the telephone; and have had telephone and e-mail contact with a prison visitor who has visted Luke with his mother, and as something of a supporter. I have also had it reported to me by several sources, that a professional investigative journalist is currently undertaking local research, as are other private persons.
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Colin Bowman (11th Feb 2005)
“I've written to Findlay, Mrs Mitchell and Luke: and subsequently spoken to Mrs Mitchell on the telephone; and have had telephone and e-mail contact with a prison visitor who has visted Luke with his mother, and as something of a supporter. I have also had it reported to me by several sources, that a professional investigative journalist is currently undertaking local research, as are other private persons.
Was Sandra Lean a prison visitor ?
And if so who was she visiting ?
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Referring to the ‘Trials that shocked Scotland’ TV show - Sharon Indy Sunshine claimed it was a “prime example of bias”
Sharon should look into her own bias & projections
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
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After watching a 2 part TV show, reading two books - written by con artists - Matthew Elliott appears to now see himself as some sort of expert on the case that saw the guilty and sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell convicted
Deluded Matthew claims he’s now going to make a film
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
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From amazons description of Sandra Lean’s 2nd book
”In an account that took almost fifteen years to piece together”
”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”
How would all those people who have naively and gullibly put their belief into grifter Sandra Lean feel if their child were brutally murdered and it took the police 15 years to piece together witness statements - the description also includes “forensic reports” and “crime scene management logs”
In reality - all those people involved in the investigation had direct access to the forensics and crime scene people - with many of them witnessing it first hand
It took pretend criminologist and con artist Sandra Lean 15 years to decipher the words on these pages?
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It took pretend criminologist and con artist Sandra Lean 15 years to decipher the words on these pages?
What did pretend criminologist Sandra Lean say in her 2nd book about Richard Hopkins thoughts on the case?
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”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”
“Could the conviction of Luke Mitchell be, in reality, a shocking Miscarriage of Justice?”
Was this 👆🏽really written on pretend criminologist Sandra Lean’s 2nd book cover
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“Could the conviction of Luke Mitchell be, in reality, a shocking Miscarriage of Justice?”
The REALITY is this is one of Scotland’s longest running innocence fraud phenomenon campaigns
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Louise Reid, who's been involved with the case since the very beginning, makes an important point - in spite of the outrageous claims by JaF, the media supported the police line that there was nothing "untoward" in any of the information regarding JaF, once it emerged. Imagine Luke hadn't been convicted when the DNA match to JaF was made - what would that same media have done with that same information????
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Had deluded Louise Reid already made it common knowledge she’d been supporting this sadistic psycho killer ‘since the very beginning’ ?
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Stephanie Nicol
Sandra Lean also, if he “did the rest later” - why are they claiming his mother burned his jacket (and only his jacket 🤷♀️) at approx 6pm?
We’ve never heard that the clothes Luke was wearing when taken to the police station that night were different to the ones his friends saw him wearing.
So how has he removed all DNA from the clothes that have been taken and tested for everything necessary and come up with zilch?
When his mum has had her fire on before he’s “been back to the body”.
Trying to go down that route only exonerates Luke, in my opinion.
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Stephanie Nicol
Sandra Lean also, if he “did the rest later” - why are they claiming his mother burned his jacket (and only his jacket 🤷♀️) at approx 6pm?
We’ve never heard that the clothes Luke was wearing when taken to the police station that night were different to the ones his friends saw him wearing.
So how has he removed all DNA from the clothes that have been taken and tested for everything necessary and come up with zilch?
When his mum has had her fire on before he’s “been back to the body”.
Trying to go down that route only exonerates Luke, in my opinion.
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If tests of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing came up with “zilch” why was there no forensic evidence of him playing around with some of his mates in the woods?
Wasn’t he swinging on a tyre or something ?
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If tests of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing came up with “zilch” why was there no evidence of him playing around with some of his mates in the woods?
What forensic evidence was there to show the killer had been playing around with his mates in the abbey/woods etc?
Did forensics find the DNA of his mates on his clothing - or his mother Corinne Mitchell’s DNA or Mia the dogs saliva for example?
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Sandra Lean
Stephanie Nicol No, wait, she's also apparently burning his clothes later, while he's out "doing the rest later," since the garden fire(s) happened between 6 and 7pm and then about 9 - 10pm, after heavy rain. So, first set of clothing burning, then put out by the rain!
Would the fire service agree with pretend criminologist Sandra Lean that the rain puts out fires ?
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
Emma-Louise Wylie My answer for that will be a personal one, 'the media' do not want to turn because if they do it will show the fact they were complicit in naming a 14-year-old child at the time, which was instrumental in throwing him to the wolves. He had no presumption of innocence which is our right! The Sun newspaper never recovered after it came out against the victims following the Hillsborough disaster thousands of people will never buy the Sun even after all these years. They would rather make money rehashing old stories. To tell the truth means admitting they were wrong! that is why as a group we have been fighting so hard to get the 25k on the petition so it's a big achievement but the first rung on the ladder is getting the independent review in due course.
Why did callous abuser Corinne Mitchell and her killer son stage that TV interview on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral?
And why did the killer and his callous mother choose to show off their candle display and light the candles on camera?
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Louise Reid, who's been involved with the case since the very beginning, makes an important point - in spite of the outrageous claims by JaF, the media supported the police line that there was nothing "untoward" in any of the information regarding JaF, once it emerged. Imagine Luke hadn't been convicted when the DNA match to JaF was made - what would that same media have done with that same information????
*&^^&
Had deluded Louise Reid already made it common knowledge she’d been supporting this sadistic psycho killer ‘since the very beginning’ ?
Louise Reid
Her step father came home from work. Apparently went straight into the bathroom and heard the front door close just before 5pm. She used her mother's phone to txt luke to say, she was no longer grounded before he had arrived back from work. When luke call. The step father claimed they had just left. How does he know who "they" was when he apparently went straight into the bathroom when he arrived home.
The independent witness who seen stocky man following her also went back to the police and said she had seen the same person on the news at jodis funeral. Police never took that further. Bear in mind she didn't know the family or stocky man
Does Louise Reid believe we all possess the same sensory processing levels?
And was Louise Reid also the witness who thought she saw ‘stocky man’ following [Name removed] on the 30th June 2003?
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Louise Reid
Her step father came home from work. Apparently went straight into the bathroom and heard the front door close just before 5pm. She used her mother's phone to txt luke to say, she was no longer grounded before he had arrived back from work. When luke call. The step father claimed they had just left. How does he know who "they" was when he apparently went straight into the bathroom when he arrived home.
By process of elimination Louise Reid and by using his sensory processes
Louise Reid
Yeah apparently.
I personally feel, it's a Scottish term for don't really know what time so "just left" could be anytime after he arrived home and went to the bathroom but who "they" is. Only him and [Name removed] (mother) can answer.
Already answered Louise Reid during the trial
The very same trial Allen Ovens gave evidence - which pretend criminologist Sandra Lean was oblivious too until recently
”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”
And she still hadn’t figured it out *&^^&
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole that might be how some of us would understand "just left," but there was some discussion at appeal about how the timescale could be vastly different between different individuals - an older friend of mine, when prompted about times, would say, "in the last wee while," which could, in reality, be anything up to a couple of hours!!!!
I don't think we can generalise the use of "just left" to personal understandings of the term - although I can see how many people would assume that to be a short amount of time, it is, still, an assumption.
Another thing we'd have to consider is AO's awareness of the passage of time. If he's come out of the loo and zoned out in front of the tv, he might not have been aware of how much time had passed when the phone rang. He hadn't eaten yet, so there would be nothing, really, for him to compare timings against.
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.
Of course, I'm not saying any of this WAS the case for AO - it might actually be the case the "they" (whoever "they" are) had just left within the last 5 - 10 minutes - as with so much in this case, we just don't know!
Notice how the pretend criminologist uses the word ‘awareness’ but in relation to ‘timings’ not in relation to how AO would have been aware it was [Name removed] who ‘just left’ and not [Name removed].
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Sandra Lean
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.
Bloody hell Sandra Lean - do your daughters recognise how manipulative and deceptive you are?
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Sandra Lean
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.
This argument of yours doesn’t help the sadistic killer Sandra Lean
What was it you (or Corinne) or both of you said about the broccoli?
And did you ever find out who said ‘steak pie’ and who said ‘chicken pie’ and did callous Corinne tell the police she’d had prawns that night too?
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Sandra Lean
“….as with so much in this case, we just don't know!”
”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”
Who’s ‘we’ Sandra Lean?
In the 15 (plus) years you’ve been involved in this fraud, has it never crossed your mind that in REALITY - so much in this case has become clearer for other people?
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Who was the ‘friend’ of Corinne Mitchell’s who lied via the media in an attempt to pretend they were conned
"One thing she deeply regrets, though, is that television interview they gave on the day of Jodi's funeral. Corinne says Luke wanted to go to pay his respects but they were conned by the TV people and it ended up looking really bad." 3rd September 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3165495.stm 20th August 2003
Audio
"” Speaking outside St David's….
Marion Docherty, said staff would be trying to ensure some sense of normality.
She said: "We are obviously sensitive to the fact that many young people and staff are still mourning the death of their friend Jodi Jones.
They'll be told to be positive, to be strong within their community and to be respectful of Jodi's family."
Killer Luke Mitchell and his callous mother Corinne obviously didn’t get the memo
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3165495.stm 20th August 2003
Audio
"” Speaking outside St David's….
Marion Docherty, said staff would be trying to ensure some sense of normality.
She said: "We are obviously sensitive to the fact that many young people and staff are still mourning the death of their friend Jodi Jones.
They'll be told to be positive, to be strong within their community and to be respectful of Jodi's family."
Killer Luke Mitchell and his callous mother Corinne obviously didn’t get the memo
Killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother showed contempt and total disrespect to Jodi’s family and did not heed Marion Docherty’s words
“The boyfriend of Jodi Jones, the murdered Midlothian teenager, has lost his appeal against a ban from the school they attended.
Luke Mitchell, 15, was excluded from St David's High in Dalkeith in September after an argument with Marion Docherty, the headteacher.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12528623.jodi-joness-boyfriend-loses-school-appeal/
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3165495.stm 20th August 2003
Audio
"” Speaking outside St David's….
Marion Docherty, said staff would be trying to ensure some sense of normality.
She said: "We are obviously sensitive to the fact that many young people and staff are still mourning the death of their friend Jodi Jones.
They'll be told to be positive, to be strong within their community and to be respectful of Jodi's family."
Why would cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell refer to Marion Docherty as ‘hitler in a skirt’ because she had asked all pupils to be respectful to Jodi’s family?
In reality these were Corinne Mitchell’s projections
Killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother Corinne were not conned by Sky news/James Matthews - they used that staged interview because they knew it was only a matter of time before Luke would be arrested
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3165495.stm 20th August 2003
Audio
"” Speaking outside St David's….
Marion Docherty, said staff would be trying to ensure some sense of normality.
She said: "We are obviously sensitive to the fact that many young people and staff are still mourning the death of their friend Jodi Jones.
They'll be told to be positive, to be strong within their community and to be respectful of Jodi's family."
Killer Luke Mitchell and his callous mother Corinne obviously didn’t get the memo
This was the same day killer Luke Mitchell was excluded from returning to school
“Officials say the exclusion was prompted by concern for Luke's wellbeing, and discipline at the school, but his family have said they may take legal action
Donald MacKay, the education chief for Midlothian council, has defended the decision to keep Luke away.
“It was my judgment that it was better to get the school settled down over the next couple of days, and then to get Luke back in on Friday probably, and get things back to normal for everybody."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/21/ukcrime.kirstyscott
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‘Mitchell's criminal activities and his attempts to corrupt other pupils with drugs and Satanism were no secret at St David's. But at a time when the Scottish Executive's policy was to avoid excluding troublesome pupils, he was allowed to remain at the school, mixing with other youngsters - one of whom would pay for her relationship with him with her life.
One school source said:
"Luke's problem at school was indiscipline. He had control over a group of pupils who were scared of him. But he would also defy teachers. If he didn't want to do something, he wouldn't do it.
"I don't think the teachers had control of him. I think he was in control."
Mitchell was recognised as the ringleader of a group of pupils who were involved in "Goth" culture, fascinated with Satanism and the occult. Yet sources at the school say his behaviour was not brought to the attention of the school board.
One parent close to the school management team said: "It's very worrying it wasn't picked up and dealt with earlier. Parents were not told there was any problem with Satanism and I don't remember hearing Luke Mitchell's name raised. If teachers had worries, but these weren't acted on sufficiently because of the local authority, that would be very concerning."
There were signs of serious problems with pupil behaviour at St David's even before Jodi's murder. In 2001 13-year-old Emma Robertson hanged herself in her bedroom at the family home in Dalkeith. Fellow pupils claimed she had been the victim of bullying, which some said was rife in the school. The then headmaster, Joe Boyd, denied bullying was a serious problem. Just one month later a further scandal hit St David's when four 14-year-olds were reported to the police after being caught with cannabis in the school gym. All four were suspended, but none were permanently excluded.
The report noted that "the guidance team, although containing mostly new and acting guidance teachers, managed their respective responsibilities well" and there were "very good" arrangements for supporting children's welfare.
Yet some teachers were concerned about Mitchell's obsession with violence and the occult. He was referred to an educational psychologist after an assault on another pupil when he was in primary school, aged 11. By January 2003 some teachers at St David's were also growing concerned.
English teacher Geraldine Mackie received an essay from Mitchell on the subject of the end of the world. In it, he described himself as violent and Satanic. "It was quite worrying," Mackie told Mitchell's trial. "There were quite a few things in it I found a little bit disturbing. I thought he needed to have a little chat with someone - perhaps he was in need of support."
But what is clear is that Mitchell's behaviour continued to spiral out of control. At one point he carved the Satanic number 666 into his arm with a school compass, and it has been reported that a music teacher intervened as Mitchell throttled another pupil. On that occasion it is believed that he was referred to an educational psychologist, but refused treatment. A spokeswoman for Midlothian council refused to comment on whether police, social workers or mental health professionals had been approached by the school about Mitchell. Asked if the school had tackled Mitchell's drug dealing, she insisted it "was not happening inside the school".
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2008/07_08/2008_07_01_ScotlandOnSunday_SafeCatholic.htm
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This was the same day killer Luke Mitchell was excluded from returning to school
“Officials say the exclusion was prompted by concern for Luke's wellbeing, and discipline at the school, but his family have said they may take legal action
Donald MacKay, the education chief for Midlothian council, has defended the decision to keep Luke away.
“It was my judgment that it was better to get the school settled down over the next couple of days, and then to get Luke back in on Friday probably, and get things back to normal for everybody."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/21/ukcrime.kirstyscott
Reported by the Herald on the 11th September 2003
“The boyfriend of Jodi Jones has refused individual tuition at home
after walking out of his school.
Luke Mitchell left St David’s RC High School in Dalkeith
earlier this week following a row with Marion Docherty, the
headteacher over being isolated from other pupils.
His family continued discussions with the education authority about
attending another school, but his solicitor Nigel Beaumont said
home tutoring was “not an option to be
considered”.
“Luke Mitchell was banned from St David’s RC High School in
Dalkeith following a row with headteacher Marion Docherty.
The teenager was furious when he returned to school to find he had
been placed in isolation. A row ensued and Mitchell stormed out and
was later excluded. He has private lessons at a community centre
after rejecting a transfer to another school nearby.
Yesterday, it emerged that a Midlothian education panel heard
Mitchell’s appeal against the ban, but sided with the
headteacher.
Reported by the Daily Record on the 20th November 2003
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Sandra Lean
Stephanie Nicol No, wait, she's also apparently burning his clothes later, while he's out "doing the rest later," since the garden fire(s) happened between 6 and 7pm and then about 9 - 10pm, after heavy rain. So, first set of clothing burning, then put out by the rain!
Would the fire service agree with pretend criminologist Sandra Lean that the rain puts out fires ?
Pretend criminologist Sandra Lean stated in 2014 that Corinne Mitchell had “problems with her teeth” and she linked these “problems” with Corinne Mitchell’s teeth to “alcohol”
In 2019 when she appeared on the James English podcast Corinne Mitchell made it clear she had new teeth when she stated the letters ‘J’ played ‘havoc’ with her new teeth
How old was Corinne Mitchell when she first started drinking and were her drinking ‘issues’ linked to her adoption?
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Pretend criminologist Sandra Lean stated in 2014 that Corinne Mitchell had “problems with her teeth” and she linked these “problems” with Corinne Mitchell’s teeth to “alcohol”
In 2019 when she appeared on the James English podcast Corinne Mitchell made it clear she had new teeth when she stated the letters ‘J’ played ‘havoc’ with her new teeth
How old was Corinne Mitchell when she first started drinking and were her drinking ‘issues’ linked to her adoption?
What did Philip Mitchell say about his ex wife’s ‘issues’ with alcohol ?
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And what did Shane Mitchell tell police about his mothers alcohol consumption ?
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Link to Part 94
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Louise Reid
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFSBLq2X/
Found this very emotional to make for luke.
He's innocent. How long must this go on. He's lost all those young years, adult years. Having his first pint, passing his driving test, getting his first job, meeting someone and maybe having a family. Missing all this for a crime he didn't commit, while the real person/persons involve live their lives. Tiktok by name. Tiktok by nature. It will eventually catch up with you⏲️
Don’t know who Louise Reid is and how she thinks she knows killer Luke Mitchell but she’s been duped by the innocence fraud grift
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Part 95
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/28/killer-luke-mitchell-narcissist-scott-forbes-his-balls-of-steel-part-95/
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Part 95
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Scott Burns
Hi I’ve got a question. Did anyone other than Jodi’s family see or speak to Jodi after she got home from school? Just as far as I can make out her arrangements to meet Luke was only a text message from Jodi’s mums phone and that might not have been Jodi sending it.
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole that might be how some of us would understand "just left," but there was some discussion at appeal about how the timescale could be vastly different between different individuals - an older friend of mine, when prompted about times, would say, "in the last wee while," which could, in reality, be anything up to a couple of hours!!!!
I don't think we can generalise the use of "just left" to personal understandings of the term - although I can see how many people would assume that to be a short amount of time, it is, still, an assumption.
Another thing we'd have to consider is AO's awareness of the passage of time. If he's come out of the loo and zoned out in front of the tv, he might not have been aware of how much time had passed when the phone rang. He hadn't eaten yet, so there would be nothing, really, for him to compare timings against.
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.
Of course, I'm not saying any of this WAS the case for AO - it might actually be the case the "they" (whoever "they" are) had just left within the last 5 - 10 minutes - as with so much in this case, we just don't know!
Sandra Lean may have been the type of mother who lacked the awareness to notice the different movements and sounds each of her daughters made when they walked around her house
But Judith Jones and Allen Ovens daughter/step daughter had not long been murdered by sadistic and psychopathic teen killer Luke Mitchell
They would have gone over and over and over again in their minds about every single last detail they could recall about [Name removed]’s to ensure they gave the police the best possible information they could
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Has Sandra Lean told her cult-like followers where each of her daughters were living when [Name removed] was murdered by psycho teen killer LM?
Maybe Sandra Lean and her lackey side kick, narcissistic fantasist Scott Forbes can do another video
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“Yet Luke said he took 6 steps to the left and saw feet, and after another step recognised it as [Name removed]’s body”
👆🏽 by Gordo
No mention of this in the scam TV show (Source https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg117610.html#msg117610)
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A Philip Mitchell attacked Sheriff Robert McDonald last year and is due to stand trial.
Why has killer Luke Mitchell’s father Philip Mitchell not publicly defended his son?
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Have the Jones/Walker family considered publishing the Mitchell families police statements and transcripts in full to the WWW?
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Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’
“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
What exactly was killer Luke Mitchell doing from 5.15 to when he met with the two lads?
And what time was it Sandra Lean said it rained? https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
What did the two lads say in their witness statements or during the trial about the weather?
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What exactly was killer Luke Mitchell doing from 5.15 to when he met with the two lads?
And what time was it Sandra Lean said it rained? https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234
What did the two lads say in their witness statements or during the trial about the weather?
Part 100
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Part 96
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Part 97
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/29/killer-luke-mitchell-disturbing-clear-precise-evidence-of-guilt-lack-of-parental-control-advise-part-98/
Part 98
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/29/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-lack-of-respect-boundaries-the-attention-seeking-staged-tv-interview-part-98/
Part 99
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/29/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-intent-is-to-dupe-people-using-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon/
Part 100
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Part 101
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-lie-about-borrowed-clothes-part-101/
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Part 102
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/__trashed-6/
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Ana Azaria
Ronnie Mothersole I get you, but one of the main reasons we highlight the sighting by the two independent witnesses, is that Luke was jailed based on a sighting by one individual - AB (it was one of the main planks that got him convicted) - and that this corroborated sighting by the two witnesses which included identification rather than 'resemblance', was just dismissed as if it was of lesser relevance. AB 'could have been mistaken' - but her sighting got a 15 year old boy sent to prison without limit of time. It's one example of a flaw/huge concern in the handling of the investigation - the family member didn’t even appear to have been questioned. We could discuss whether it could have or couldn't have been Jodi being followed by the family member all we want, but it won't get us any further to the truth - the investigation shouldn't have left us with all these questions.
Killer Luke Mitchell was seen by at least 5 people that night
How can Ana Azaria possibly know he was convicted based on the ‘sighting by one individual’?
This is ludicrous!
It is not known what each jury member thought of each piece of evidence presented during the 42 day trial
They could have convicted him based on his and his mothers blatant lies
This - “but her sighting got a 15 year old boy sent to prison without limit of time” is even more ludicrous *&^^&
Given the fact Ana Azalia doesn’t have the full facts of the ‘handling of the police investigation’ and has never seen each and every piece of evidence - how can she know what is ‘a flaw’ as she claims and what was/is a red herring?
If Ana Azalia doesn’t know whether or not the family member was questioned - why is she claiming they could have been following [Name removed]?
and in the same breath claiming they couldn’t ?
What’s with the double bind?
In 2010 pretend criminologist Sandra Lean and cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell had SK following [Name removed]
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
When did SK morph into [Name removed] are why, and what happened to the supposed blood on the t-shirt
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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/
In reality - ‘stocky man’ was ruled out as a suspect
And it’s not the ‘investigation’ that has left you ‘with all these questions’ - that’s all down to pretend criminologist Sandra Lean and her (and others) very real innocence fraud phenomenon scam
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Part 103
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-ana-azaria-her-double-binds-part-103/
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Part 103
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-ana-azaria-her-double-binds-part-103/
The police would have worked through the numerous double binds they would have been faced with during their investigation
The Jones/Walker family will have also done similar
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Part 104
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-naive-cult-like-follower-sharon-indy-sunshines-projections-part-104/
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When does compulsive liar and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean plan to explain when Corinne Mitchell’s issues with alcohol began and why?
And what impact Corinne’s adoption had on her sons
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Tracy Anderson
Just watched it omg I can't believe what you have juts brought to light 😳 and I know what my thoughts on this are . Thanks for everything you do for luke ❤️
Sandra Lean
Tracy Anderson I couldn't believe it when it all started piecing together like that. As I said, sometimes the tiniest piece of information changes everything!
Kirsty Boughton
Oh.My.God! Jodi's family admitted to more than we actually realised! Well done Sandra 👏
Sandra Lean (today)
Kirsty Boughton Yes, and for all these years, nobody noticed ... until now
*&^^& *&^^& *&^^&
More bare faced lies and BS from pretend criminologist Sandra Lean
Will be interesting to see who chooses to buy into this non story
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Compulsive liar Sandra Lean and her compulsive lies about borrowed clothing
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-lie-about-borrowed-clothes-part-101/
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell knew [Name removed] borrowed her sisters clothes and knew about who was sleeping where back in 2003
Him and his pathogival liar of a mother also knew about the washing machine DNA transference - at least by the time of the trial
Don’t believe for one minute one of them didn’t tell narcissistic Sandra Lean
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Maybe now someone will push for an ‘independent review’ to find out what grifter signed off Sandra Leans nonsense thesis
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If ever there were a con-artist it’s pretend criminologist Sandra Lean
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“As new information continues to emerge, I took a fresh look at some of the information that's been hidden in the case files for years. What I discovered left me stunned - with so much information to be remembered, it was inevitable that there would be things I'd missed. As a result of discussions on the group page and questions from others, I was led back to re-examine certain aspects of the case. This is what I found.
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Abusive con-artist and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean and her intentional, premeditated smear campaigns won’t make an iota of difference to killer Luke Mitchell’s murder conviction
Although it’s likely his prison security records will be reflective of his ‘abuse by his proxy’ (Sandra Lean) and won’t be helpful
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Sandra Lean (Today)
Kerry Tremble Kevan I do think that, because of the amount of manipulation and pressure on witnesses, people have said things without realising the significance ... and that means, there is almost certainly more to come!!! What this has taught me is that, very often, you don't see what you're not looking for - while I was busy pointing out that L&B didn't see stuff because they were so focused on Luke, I was so focused on the legalities of the case, I didn't see the tiny little clues sitting there amongst all the "bigger pieces."
Now I know what else to look for!!!!
More lies 👆🏽 *&^^&
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Sandra Lean
Tracy Reilly it is - even now, after all these years, I find myself wondering how the hell it ever got to trial in the first place, far less ended up the way it did.
No you don’t Sandra! Stop lying!
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Part 105
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-sadistic-smears-dont-wash-part-105/
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Part 106
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-abuse-by-a-proxy-malignant-narcissist-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-part-107/
Part 107
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-more-abuse-by-a-proxy-malignant-narcissist-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-part-107/
Part 108
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-proxy-abuser-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-web-of-deceit-to-reach-maslows-pyramid-guest-blog-part-108/
Part 109
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-bad-habits-guest-blog/
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The armchair detective is still figuring out what happened over 19 years ago - even though it was already established before the sadistic teenage psychopathic was arrested
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Sandra Lean
Marie Milne I've probably been in information load for over 10 years, which is why I missed these latest discoveries!!! I do have to take time away regularly, just because of the sheer amount of information I have to have in my head at any given moment!!!
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Part 110
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-sadists-the-murderer-his-adoptee-mother-malignant-narcissist-armchair-detective-sandra-lean-her-lackey-side-kick-with-balls-of-steel-part
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Abusive con-artist and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean and her intentional, premeditated smear campaigns won’t make an iota of difference to killer Luke Mitchell’s murder conviction
Although it’s likely his prison security records will be reflective of his ‘abuse by his proxy’ (Sandra Lean) and won’t be helpful
Sandra Lean learned that adoptee Corinne Mitchell had ‘issues’ with alcohol, which appear to have been ‘issues’ before her youngest son Luke (who she had an enmeshed relationship with) committed his murder of [Name removed]
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Sandra Lean (Today)
David Menzies We've been pointing out for years how much Luke's brother's evidence was manipulated - he said from the very beginning that Luke was in the house, then, in 2004, when they subjected him to the same type of interrogation they'd subjected Luke to in August 2003, they used techniques to claim he "said" things that he hadn't said, then closed off every avenue for him to correct them. The result is a written "statement" that bears no resemblance to the truth, but becomes "evidence" to be used at trial.
So many people find it very hard to believe that this is how our "justice" system is allowed to operate - to literally shoe-horn people, testimonies and evidence to fit a chosen narrative - but, as you pointed out, basic logic tells us, if his brother called the home landline and spoke with Luke (and we have both testimonies, plus the phone records, plus the fact that only 3 people lived in the house and we know where the other 2 were), then he MUST have known Luke was at home at that time.
Their suggestion is that, when he got home 15 - 20 minutes after that call, Luke was already out of the house. So, who cooked the dinner that the brother definitely ate? His mother was still at work.
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Part 111
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-rabid-dog-sandra-lean-sold-her-innocence-fraud-story-in-2007-again-in-2018/
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Kirsty Boughton (Yesterday)
Oh.My.God! Jodi's family admitted to more than we actually realised! Well done Sandra 👏
Sandra Lean
Kirsty Boughton Yes, and for all these years, nobody noticed ... until now
Malignant narcissist Sandra Lean and un-convicted child killer Billy Middleton made the perfect couple
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Kirsty Boughton (Yesterday)
Oh.My.God! Jodi's family admitted to more than we actually realised! Well done Sandra 👏
Sandra Lean
Kirsty Boughton Yes, and for all these years, nobody noticed ... until now
“Every time she opens her mouth she lies”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg455734.html#msg455734
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“Every time she opens her mouth she lies”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg455734.html#msg455734
Sandra Lean - 19th September 2019
“I called Luke to ask which way Jodi would walk if she was going to his,” Janine Jones, statement. (She didn’t call Luke to ask this question, but that’s another matter).
Will armchair detective Sandra Lean be doing another video and change her mind and claim JaJ was lying?
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Innocence fraud promoter Sandra Lean’s two books don’t tell the ‘true story’- they more than likely barely tell 5 % of what happened
Will she be doing another video to tell her duped followers what Shane and Corinne Mitchell were up to all night?
In this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7OVE_5L7Y Sandra omits to mention the any details about Shane Mitchell
What was Shane doing when his cruel and callous mother was at the police station with her killer son?
And didn’t Sandra also claim in this video the FLO arrived at the Mitchell’s house on the 1st July?
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Innocence fraud promoter Sandra Lean’s two books don’t tell the ‘true story’- they more than likely barely tell 5 % of what happened
And it was known in early 2014 that No Smoke was full of nonsense and lies
So why choose to write another innocence fraud book before correcting the first book?
Sandra Lean said during a telephone conversation in 2014 she would be withdrawing No Smoke
Why did this con-artist choose to allow her lies to remain in the public domain before pretending she had made ‘one typo’ before claiming to have contacted that other con-artist Stephen T Manning (the publisher) to withdraw the book and why is the book still for sale?
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Sandra Lean
Teenie Fin Don't be sorry - i'd rather people asked zillions of questions so that they know the facts!!!!
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What did Sandra Lean’s 2nd book say on cruel and callous adoptee Corinne Mitchell and the enmeshed relationship she had with her sexually aggressive teenage son ?
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Toxic Abuser & Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean’s 19 Year Hoax & The Innocence Fraud Gravy Train Scam of Psychopathic Killer Luke Mitchell
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-innocencefraud-con-of-jodi-jones🌻-sadistic-psychopathic-schoolboy-killer-his-enablers/
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Sandra Lean omitted from her latests video - when she was comparing the killers family to the victims family - the fact that the killers mother Corinne Mitchell stopped off on her way home that night to buy alcohol
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James Lochrie
What shocks me most is people at this trial knowing all along who the guilty people/s are . They are standing there giving evidence against an innocent boy . Can't get my head round what kind of people would do that .
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Derek Edmond
Sandra Lean I’ll always stand by my beliefs that this is the most blatant miscarriage of justice in the Scottish Justice System (If we can call it that). When we weigh up all these anomalies, the overall weight they carry in proving the likelihood of Luke even being at the path until after his call with the search party becomes even less likely. I’m not convinced that the drive by sighting was of Luke or indeed Jodi. I think it’s most likely been the couple. I find it preposterous that when Jodi was found and there wasn’t a great big pool of blood or stains everywhere that the Police didn’t demand the whole wooded area to be combed with forensics to locate where the murder took place. It’s literally basic investigation that any detective should be undertaking. There’s no way Jodi was murdered outside those woods and brought in as at the proposed murder time, it was like daytime outside and light. If it’s not been at the V-point, where was she attacked? That’s always been something on my mind. I think that the moped being at the break in the wall suggests that these boy’s know more than they’ve let on. Cutting hair was an admission of anxiety over being identified. He was there and until he gives a solid alibi proving otherwise, he is a serious person of interest. It’s made me always wonder if Jodi was ambushed having been followed down towards the woods. Something definitely seems suspicious. If it is as I believe that members of Jodi’s family have been perverting the course of justice, it’s utterly disgusting to do that to Jodi. Anyone losing a loved one like that would naturally want to be moving mountains to find the culprit(s). Why when forensically proven impossible that it could’ve been Luke, did Judith not want every person of interest equally investigated? It’s all a bit suspect. The more I’ve researched on the case, the more it makes me feel physically sick. Knowing both Jodi and Luke personally from school, it makes it harder to accept this injustice.
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Derek saw the pair of them chatting in the school playground once apparently - this equates to him knowing them both
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More of Scott Forbes projections *&^^&
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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Derek Edmond
Sandra Lean I’ll always stand by my beliefs that this is the most blatant miscarriage of justice in the Scottish Justice System (If we can call it that). When we weigh up all these anomalies, the overall weight they carry in proving the likelihood of Luke even being at the path until after his call with the search party becomes even less likely. I’m not convinced that the drive by sighting was of Luke or indeed Jodi. I think it’s most likely been the couple. I find it preposterous that when Jodi was found and there wasn’t a great big pool of blood or stains everywhere that the Police didn’t demand the whole wooded area to be combed with forensics to locate where the murder took place. It’s literally basic investigation that any detective should be undertaking. There’s no way Jodi was murdered outside those woods and brought in as at the proposed murder time, it was like daytime outside and light. If it’s not been at the V-point, where was she attacked? That’s always been something on my mind. I think that the moped being at the break in the wall suggests that these boy’s know more than they’ve let on. Cutting hair was an admission of anxiety over being identified. He was there and until he gives a solid alibi proving otherwise, he is a serious person of interest. It’s made me always wonder if Jodi was ambushed having been followed down towards the woods. Something definitely seems suspicious. If it is as I believe that members of Jodi’s family have been perverting the course of justice, it’s utterly disgusting to do that to Jodi. Anyone losing a loved one like that would naturally want to be moving mountains to find the culprit(s). Why when forensically proven impossible that it could’ve been Luke, did Judith not want every person of interest equally investigated? It’s all a bit suspect. The more I’ve researched on the case, the more it makes me feel physically sick. Knowing both Jodi and Luke personally from school, it makes it harder to accept this injustice.
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Derek saw the pair of them chatting in the school playground once apparently - this equates to him knowing them both
Sandra Lean
Derek Edmond There's an area further down in the woodland strip that's much more covered and much less likely to be seen by passers by. I've no idea, of course, but if I was asked to make an educated guess, I'd say that's the most likely place for the murder to have occcurred. (Sic)
Derek Edmond
Sandra Lean you’re probably right. Looking at probable location, the density of there would make it a likelier location.
Did hoaxer and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean explain in her second book anything about internal and external blood loss?
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More of Scott Forbes projections *&^^&
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
Stuart Dempsey has made an appearance also
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg651637#msg651637
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Part 113
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-foolish-stuart-dempsey-follows-toxic-abuser-michelle-moore-balls-of-steel-scott-forbes-part-113/
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“Balls of steel” Scott Forbes now claimed SCCRC ‘reports’ are no for the public
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What a total moron he is
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
Are only mass murderers ‘reports’ for the public
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17504387
“Balls of steel”
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Scott Forbes & His ‘Balls Of Steel’ (Part 95)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/28/killer-luke-mitchell-narcissist-scott-forbes-his-balls-of-steel-part-95/
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Sandra Lean knew when she wrote and published her second book in 2018 that the prosecutions theory would have differed to reality
Just like she knew the prosecutions theory re: killer Simon Hall and the burglary gone wrong story was wrong
Her latest hoax nonsense aren’t new revelations as she has pretended to claim
Killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother - and hoaxer Sandra lean - would have known where [Name removed] was dropped off on the Saturday night by the taxi years ago who’s house she was dropped off too
This evidence would have been presented at trial re the washing machine transfer theory
But callous Corinne and her killer son Luke didn’t want this snippet used in their innocence fraud PR campaign as it didn’t go in their favour
If Sandra Lean believed the sadistic teen killer were innocent she’d have published the SCCRC statement of reasons, killer Luke, his mother Corinne and Shane and Philip Mitchell’s witness statements
The reaoson she didn’t was because their innocence fraud would have been discovered earlier
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Sandra Lean still hasn’t clarified where her eldest daughter was living at the time violent, sexually aggressive and ‘out of control’ killer Luke Mitchell murdered one of his girlfriends
Nor has Sandra Lean ever clarified why her eldest daughter didn’t live with her
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Sandra Lean
Good evening everyone! Massive thanks for all the comments and shares for the latest video. Can I just remind everyone, though, we still have to be very, very mindful of speculation. Even though the evidence now tells us that some people were definitely privy to information that they did not disclose to investigators, that doesn't equal proof that they were in any way involved (knowingly or otherwise) with what happened to Jodi ... or, ultimately, Luke.
I know how careful you all are, I just wanted to clarify that very thin line between what we now know and what it actually proves or disproves in other aspects of the case.
And you have no idea what was and wasn’t disclosed to investigators
Keep it coming Sandra Lean - Suspect your malignant narcissism blinds you at times
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Sandra Lean
I've slightly edited this article from 2003, to cut out the almost 600 words quoting the various religious leaders and prayers in the community at the time, but there's some very interesting stuff in here - note the date and time - Monday 7th July 01.00am - Remember, GD and JoF only came forward Saturday 5th and Sunday 6th!!! And they had AB's "sighting" from July 1st and 2nd by this stage!!
Jodi murder police rule out ritual killing
DETECTIVES TODAY RULED OUT A LINK WITH SATANISM OR BLACK MAGIC IN THE HUNT FOR THE KILLER OF MURDERED SCHOOLGIRL JODI JONES.
By The Newsroom
7th Jul 2003, 1:00am
They dismissed reports suggesting she had been the victim of a ritual killing and quashed local rumours that she had been disembowelled during a savage knife attack.
Murder squad officers broke their silence today to end speculation.
A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police said: "We have found no link between Jodi’s death and anything connected with Satanism or black magic. It is not an avenue of inquiry we are following."
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What date did Richard Hopkins travel to Scotland?
And what did Shane Mitchell say about his cruel and callous mothers background Sandra?
And what did Philip Mitchell say?
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kirsty Smith
Lynne Bryce, I hope I don't upset you but I always wonder how the family are so determined to accept it was Luke, especially over the years with more and more coming out. I find that hard to comprehend probably because I'm fortunate not to be in that position.
Michele Scott
Kirsty Smith I agree. Maybe the alternative is too unthinkable for them and it’s easier to accept it was Luke Mitchell. Just my thoughts
Kirsty Smith
Michele Scott maybe, its hard to get your head round it. I can't get my head round that family members should have been investigated regardless. Id like to think in that situation every avenue was covered and covered again.
Sandra Lean
Kirsty Smith Michele Scott You also have to remember how much time the police had to convince the family that their (the police's) theory was correct - and to influence the family's recall, right at the most horrifying time of their lives.
Michelle Scott
Sandra Lean - yes that’s part of it for sure. The police influence on statements are there for all to see.. thanks to you for highlighting those in your book otherwise everyone would be none the wiser
No Michele Scott it was ‘unthinkable’ for Sandra Lean in 2014
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Sandra Lean
Mandy Jamieson Every big, public event/campaign is another "drop in the bucket" - that bucket's getting pretty full now - not long until it spills over and washes everything out into the open!!!
Wonder what Corinne Mitchell made of Sandra Lean’s latest video
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Sandra Lean
Kirsty Smith I know, sometimes, the more you know, the more frustrating it becomes, since it all seems so obviously wrong, there's a sense that "they" should be paying attention now and doing something to put it right.
But, as I've pointed out so many times, it's going to be up to US to force them to act - they'll never do it of their own accord.
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What date did Richard Hopkins travel to Scotland?
Has pretend criminologist Sandra lean ever been involved in a police murder investigation like this?
Sandra Lean
Geraldine Dunn Knowing what we now know, then looking back at that article, you're left wondering, how in the name of all things sane did they get away with this in plain sight.
We're not looking at anything Satanic, but our final case will be that it was a murder influenced by someone obsessed by satanism. We've got no confirmed sightings, no, wait, we've got two, so, at trial, we won't bother with them and we'll use the one we discounted as unconfirmed at the time.
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Sans Howie
Can I ask Sandra Lean, was there records kept of all the 500 calls from members of the public? wonder if police picked and chose which ones were relevant to their case and not to the truth x
Sandra Lean
Sans Howie They will have been logged somewhere, but, knowing now what an absolute mess the recording of information was, I'd hate to be the one who had to find them. But we also know they were picking and choosing who to take statements from and who to ignore - can't imagine they'd have treated the phone calls any differently.
I know of several people who called in but never got a call back or a visit to give a statement.
Was Derek Edmond one of these people Sandra Lean?
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The police have recently been referred to as ‘dirty perverts’ for apparently questioning Luke Mitchell on his ‘sex life’
Does Sandra Lean explore in her book how and why police might do this ?
Did Sandra Lean ever explain to her ‘flying monkey’ Sharon Indy sunshine why the killer was asked these questions?
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
Maybe Janine or [Name removed] will write one
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Sandra Lean
Mandy Jamieson Every big, public event/campaign is another "drop in the bucket" - that bucket's getting pretty full now - not long until it spills over and washes everything out into the open!!!
Wonder what Corinne Mitchell made of Sandra Lean’s latest video
Are they still keeping up the pretence
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Geraldine Dunn
As of the 7th July No confirmed sightings of Jodi after she left her home and that includes AB statement , their star witness was a nothing witness on the 7th July and yet the jury were asked to assume that her sighting was Jodi and Luke when the police themselves seen it as irrelevant . Notice the clothing they describe Jodi wearing supported by the reconstruction no mention of those boot leg denims in that description, no wander the woman didn't pick Luke out at court she knew it was not him even accepting that she has no idea how she did not pick out that Deftones Hoody considering her clothes description was detailed I can understand why she found it hard to explain how she missed that black detailed hoody Jodi was wearing , thats because AB did not see Luke and Jodi. And all that talk of Satanism and black magic a no goer either yet it didn't stop them blackening the character of Luke at trial and taking up days of evidence watching a video which had no substance or relation to Luke or the murder (and people wonder why it was the longest trial ever ) As for Moped boys after cleaning themselves up , getting rid of their bike , changing their appearance, going in to hiding for days when the police are appealing for them to come forward (why did none of Jodi family or extended family tell the cops it was JF and GD they must have known it was them , unbelievable . ✌
Sandra Lean
Geraldine Dunn Knowing what we now know, then looking back at that article, you're left wondering, how in the name of all things sane did they get away with this in plain sight.
We're not looking at anything Satanic, but our final case will be that it was a murder influenced by someone obsessed by satanism. We've got no confirmed sightings, no, wait, we've got two, so, at trial, we won't bother with them and we'll use the one we discounted as unconfirmed at the time.
“We have found no link between Jodi’s death and anything connected with Satanism or black magic. It is not an avenue of inquiry we are following”
Yet
It is not an avenue of inquiry we are following - yet
But after the 7th of July they ended up finding a satanism connection
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Teenie Fin
I've always wondered who was giving the papers all the information they were printing, I mean I honestly can't think of any other crime like it where the papers were getting so much info during an ongoing investigation. Or is that just me?
Sandra Lean
Teenie Fin It was circular - they have the cheek to accuse defence teams of carrying out "fishing expeditions," yet what we had here was a police investigation dropping snippets to the media (as they always did/do), then the media running to locals with those snippets, to add arms and legs and wings and tails, then feed them back to the police investigation.
Exactly what you'd expect from a fishing expedition - throw out the bait, wait, reel in the catch, rinse and repeat.
Defence teams - and certainly appeals teams - have no such luxury - they have to go begging for the barest of information, yet they're the ones accused of embarking on fishing expeditions. Make of that.....
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How was pretend criminologist Sandra Lean able to look at the case papers recently if she handed them all back last year?
27th June 2021
“I do want to put it on public record that if anything goes into the public domain before the papers are collected from me it will not be me who put them there no I will not have given my agreement for anything to go out I will not do that
So on Wednesday the 30th of June after the case papers have been collected I will no longer be associated with Luke’s case in any professional capacity because decisions taken about the direction of the campaign can’t be reconciled with the work that I do
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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Sandra Lean stated to James English in 2019
“..because if people are going to write this rubbish knowing that people believe it
I think it’s worth remembering the one day this could be a member of their family that this stuff getting written about and people are believing - you know it’s been a bug bear of mine for all these years”
More barefaced lies
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Sandra Lean
If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
”In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)
The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.
There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
And the following year (2018) came the second innocence fraud book - with-out revising or withdrawing the first book
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Was there ever any evidence to back up hoaxer Sandra Lean’s claims that the police “handed them an innocent explanation” regarding the borrowing of t-shirts or did [Name removed] borrow the t-shitt on the Sunday morning and wore it again on the Monday after school
“Is it possible that [Name removed] borrowed her sister t-shirt” - ‘course it was!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQ7lnucUMI
Plus the sadistic killer was the first to tell the police about the borrowed t-shirt
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James English asked Sandra Lean about the “inappropriate relationship’ between mother and son
What about Enmeshment between adoptee Corinne Mitchell and her sexually aggressive teenager son
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Where was killer Simon Hall living up until the 15th December 2001
Where was ‘home’?
He hated being in his adoptive parents home
Read more in The Truth Behind Killer Simon Hall & His Enablers #InnocenceFraud Phenomenon Scam blog series http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
Were you actually attempting to insinuate this in your latest video re: [Name removed] Sandra Lean ?
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Where did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell the police the taxi driver dropped [Name removed] off to on the Saturday night?
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Who’s idea was it to label Andrina Bryson the ‘prosecutions star witness’?
Why could someone like Leonard Kelly not have been the ‘prosecutions star witness’ for example?
“I thought it was two laddies fighting. I was alarmed at the sound as it gave me a fright so I just slowed down and kept listening”
“I thought somebody had somebody in a headlock. It was a strangling sort of sound - a human
'It was a human sound, a restriction. It sounded like a gargling restriction of somebody's throat”
“The fact is it gave me a fright. The fact is I didn't look. That's it”
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Where does Rachel Quinn’s evidence factor into Sandra leans latest nonsense?
“Jodi's pal Rachel Quinn tells the court she used to speak to her on the school bus on the way home.
She says: 'She used to tell me that whenever she went to Luke's house, her mum liked Luke to meet her either at the top of the path or half way.'
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQ7lnucUMI
He would have virtually had to step over the body on the down and one the way back
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Sandra Lean told James English the police contaminated the crime scene “really really badly” so new DNA tests are futile
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“I know there’s no avoiding causing more pain to Jodi’s family I know that..” Sandra Lean to .James English 2019
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“I mindful as a mum of girls…” Sandra Lean to James English 2019
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What a malignant narcissist
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Ms Lean’s two daughters had a father - a father who would have also been ‘on guard and worried’ yes?
Where were Sandra Leans daughters living in 2003?
Wouldn’t the girls father have had the same ‘drive to make sure the police have gotten the right man’ ?
Has Sandra Lean’s answered these questions yet?
Where were each of daughters living back then and what were their fathers thoughts on Sandra Lean’s involvement ?
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Part 114
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/03/killer-luke-mitchell-whats-the-connection-part-114/
Part 115
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/03/killer-luke-mitchell-a-brief-conclusion-of-opinion-on-sandra-leans-2nd-book-guest-blog-part-115/
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I wasn’t aware Sandra Lean has been married twice - I was only aware of her marriage to KL whom I was under the impression is the biological father of both daughters
So was Sandra also married to Simon - the man she referred to as ‘a psychopath’ - ‘Simon’ who she acknowledged at the beginning of her book ‘No Smoke’? ⬇️
Are Sandra Lean’s daughters half sisters?
And is this why one of them didn’t live with her?
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And to finish off from - Why Bother? - The conspiracy:
So this is around 2010 -12. Around the time of the WAP for Ms Lean claims this male told her to take the website down. Where Ms Lean is inferring, not really inferring, saying that she was being monitored by the police/media? That they had passed out information to Jodi's brother of where she stayed? Firstly Ms Lean in her intro tells us of the mining cottage she stayed in. Recently renovated - this is in 2003. So long gone from wherever that was, which had to be Newtongrange or Easthouse's. The only two areas with mining cottages, close enough to the school her daughters attended. But really, this woman who was running a website in favour of Mitchell was being monitored and information passed over - hogwash.
They stayed in the same area, AW had been the postwoman of this area for many years. The Jones/Walker family stayed in several parts of this area. It would not have been difficult at all to know where Ms Lean stayed. We are talking a small community here, not something in the scale of Dalkeith and so forth.
But as stated, it paves the way, sows those seeds that set the path to follow as the book proceeds. Of the police, of the brother, of paying no heed to anything that may be said, that fear of the truth. One can tie them together. - Into that clear talk of conspiracy.
Did her daughters attend the same schools ?
If one lived with their father - would this daughter not have gone to the School in the area he lived in?
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Does anyone recall the time Colin Bowman stated *(on one of the forums) Stephanie Hall’s relationship with John Lamberton was “dangerous’?
Not that her relationship with killer Simon Hall would be ‘dangerous’ for her
Colin Bowman specifically referred to John L
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Ana Azaria
Juj did go to the scene; she ran to the path after finding out that a body had been found, where she was intercepted by police. Juj said that she had been made aware of the body being found via a (26 second) phone call phone call to AW at 11.53pm. She said that her sister (Juj’s sister) had answered AW’s phone and given her the news - but 11.53pm is before the police had radioed that a body had been found and before the search party were taken to the carpark where Juj’s sister had turned up, so it’s unclear how AW could have handed her phone to Juj’s sister in order for her to answer it.
The others from the search party were taken back to Juj’s house (after the police station) but Juj and AO stayed at Newbattle police station for questioning. Luke was taken to a different police station for questioning, and as we know, was the only one forensically searched and asked to remove his clothing.
Sandra Lean(around a week ago)
Ana Azaria Gail Lafferty - Brace yourselves, guys, another mind fry coming up!!!
Firstly, there are 2 accounts of those in Jodi's mother's house getting to the car park that night.
In the first, as soon as JuJ was given the news, she ran screaming from the house, along the entrance lane to the path, and was intercepted at the junction of the paths by a police officer who led her to the car park, noting, as he did, that she was "unsteady on her feet." (The reason I add that last bit is to show the officer was noting specific details of the event). At this point, there is mention in other statements of AO and [Name removed] being in the car park, but no detail of how they got there. The police officer makes no mention of anyone else being with, or behind JuJ at the junction of the paths.
In the second version, it is [Name removed] who runs screaming from the house and onto the entrance lane to the path, with JuJ and AO following. There is nothing in the files to support this version - only one person is noted coming along the entrance lane to the junction and that is JuJ.
BUT, hidden away in the papers is another little snippet of information - there was a manned police car parked outside JuJ's house at that time - one officer radioed in his arrival at the address, in the car, at around 11.50pm. Yet, there are no statements from either of the officers in the car to say who left the house, why they didn't try to stop them, etc.
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Sandra Lean
What's even more shocking about all this car park/police station stuff is that while Luke was removed from the car park pretty much immediately, Jodi's family members were left there for almost 2 hours, while the police decided what to do with them.
During that time, it now appears, other people were arriving (and potentially leaving) - people reported to have been in the car park during that almost 2 hour period are: AO, [Name removed], JuJ, AW, JaJ, SK, DI, AP (the aunts), and at least two other male family members, one who may have arrived with the aunts - it's not entirely clear from the statements and one who arrived at some point after the aunts and after the search trio were taken up to the car park. That's 7 people, in addition to the search trio, all of whom were talking to each other, calling others on phones, being in close proximity to the searchers, etc.
It's not even clear how many of the additional 7 were taken to the Newbattle Station before being sent to JuJ's house without any information being taken from them, or if the search trio were among those taken to the station in the first place. It SEEMS they were, but it's far from definitive that all three of them actually were.
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Sandra Lean told James English the police contaminated the crime scene “really really badly” so new DNA tests are futile
Ana Azaria
Jen O Donnell Hi Jen, absolutely, the case is full of inconsistencies! The legal wall - that's a good way to describe it. It's not maybe so much getting over it, but more like we are having to chip away at it. Basically, for a retrial to be considered there would need to be 'new evidence'. But - any evidence which was known but not used at the initial trial, doesn't count. For example, there was various pieces of information not provided to the defence (some until 10 years after Luke's conviction), or looked at, or used (the limited time the defence had didn't help)- but it doesn't count, because although it wasn't used - it was 'known'. The defence can only also respond to what the prosecution put forward and the defence are limited with funds and access to information. The prosecution could use the same information again and although it could be better argued now? the defence may still face similar barriers.
But – it's not all bad news. We have been focusing on an independent review which could potentially allow evidence to be looked at again and the investigation itself to be looked at – and items released for testing and retesting. DNA technology has advanced a fair bit since 2003 and if these items were tested again, it could give us the new evidence needed. We hit 25k on the petition for the review just a few weeks ago and have been asking people to write to their MSPs in Scotland. The petition will be handed over to parliament along with a silent vigil. We will be updating everyone with a date when it’s confirmed. Thank you for taking an interest and please feel free to have a look around the page and ask any questions.
The police contaminated the crime scene ‘really really badly’ Ana Azalia
And the last ‘silent vigil’ didn’t go down too well
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/families-of-killers-hijack-silent-walk-1000587
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Ana Azaria (Yesterday)
Avril Lamb Hi Avril, Dr Lean has access to the case files and all of the statements from the investigation that were made available to the defence
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“Sandra Lean (27th June 2021)
So on Wednesday the 30th of June after the case papers have been collected I will no longer be associated with Luke’s case in any professional capacity because decisions taken about the direction of the campaign can’t be reconciled with the work that I do
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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Enter fantasist, abuser and pretend lawyer Scott Charles Forbes
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“Scott Forbes (October 2022)
Firstly, I have to thank Sandra Lean for the literally thousands of hours of consultations, fact checking, and painfully going over old ground. Without, the book would not have been possible.
“Mothers & Sons
The relationship between a mother and her son is a special one”
Cruel and callous abuser Corinne Mitchell was (and is) an adoptee
There has been no mention anywhere, ever of Corinne Mitchell’s adoption and the impact this had on her ‘special’ relationship with her son(s)
Why?
How many adopted parents of individuals convicted of murder did Scott C Forbes speak to, if any?
Scott Forbes stated;
“Judith Jones (JuJ) openly admitted that she lied and covered for her son, Joseph ([Name removed])”
Yet cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell claimed to have never ever lied for her son(s)
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“Sandra Lean (27th June 2021)
So on Wednesday the 30th of June after the case papers have been collected I will no longer be associated with Luke’s case in any professional capacity because decisions taken about the direction of the campaign can’t be reconciled with the work that I do
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
Sandra Lean
“I knew decisions were being taken about the direction of the campaign but not anything like what was said in the statement
And still this cowardly, sadistic killer wouldn’t publish his and his cruel and callous mothers statements and transcripts
And his lying brother Shane Mitchell - who claimed he had memory problems related to the day his younger brother killed [Name removed] - because of drug addiction
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And his lying brother Shane Mitchell - who claimed he had memory problems related to the day his younger brother killed [Name removed] - because of drug addiction
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Did Shane Mitchell go back to his younger brothers murderous crime scene that night?
Shaun Hall swapped bracelets with his killer brother Simon Hall just before he was arrested
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
What was Shane Mitchell’s involvement ?
And just like Shaun Hall, Shane Mitchell told the police a pack of lies - clearly in an attempt to cover for his brother
So what is it that Shane Mitchell has been hiding for all these years?
Why has Shane Mitchell always been too afraid to speak out in support of his brother?
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Did Shane Mitchell go back to his younger brothers murderous crime scene that night?
Shaun Hall swapped bracelets with his killer brother Simon Hall just before he was arrested
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
What was Shane Mitchell’s involvement ?
And just like Shaun Hall, Shane Mitchell told the police a pack of lies - clearly in an attempt to cover for his brother
So what is it that Shane Mitchell has been hiding for all these years?
Why has Shane Mitchell always been too afraid to speak out in support of his brother?
Ana Azaria
“….It was automatically declined by the admin assist because of key words relating to Luke’s brother - part of the rules are that we don’t discuss his brother…
Why?
Has Shane Mitchell threatened Sandra Lean?
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Ana Azaria
“….It was automatically declined by the admin assist because of key words relating to Luke’s brother - part of the rules are that we don’t discuss his brother…
Why?
Has Shane Mitchell threatened Sandra Lean?
Were the clothes Shane Mitchell was wearing on the night his brother carried out his murder of [Name removed] examined?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury her killer son was ‘late’ and ‘in trouble’?
Why did cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell alledge in court her killer son was in trouble ?
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Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury.
I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.
Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him
He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been
Barefaced lies by Shane Mitchell 👆🏽
Shaun Hall made up stories similar to Shane Mitchell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
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Statement on behalf of cowardly & sadistic killer Luke Mitchell
“Luke has also advised Sandra that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately. He has been too concerned about upsetting other people, and following other wishes,
Scott Charles Forbes
“The way Luke Mitchell has conducted himself over the years is quite remarkable”
Guilty killer and coward Luke Mitchell has behaved no differently than killers and innocence fraudsters Adrian Prout and Simon Hall
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‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
What does that dangerous clown Sandra Lean say about Corinne Mitchell’s bs to James English
at approx 07:10 here ➡️ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
“Not at this time of night you’re not young man”
“I’m going out looking for her end of no argument ” *&^^&
Cowardly and sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell
Police Witness statement - 1st July 2003
”he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion”
Why did cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell suggest her 14 year old son go out and look for [Name removed]?
And why didn’t Corinne and/or Shane go with him?
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‘She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: 'I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Of course she already knew
So did Shane Mitchell
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I find Gordo’s comment in response to Parky’s here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452188.html#msg452188 interesting
Parky states:
“Thank you for your help and reply Dr lean.
The post was put out with areas of misinformation intentionally . A feeder comment for the study of response. I haven't hidden what I am doing. For the most part, my work is general. Any material/quotes will be credited with source.
All of which should be complete, hopefully by the beginning of August. If I feel anything needs clarification I will seek this and give the oppertunity of response for all subjects.
gordo30
“It’s just games!! Why the need to as I’m sure your aware of Sandra’s work and you wouldn’t be here asking questions if you felt she had no intention of answering them to the best of her ability.
Games to who?
And why choose to use the word games
What about paradoxes?
Sandra Lean featured the Simon Hall case in her first book “No Smoke” alongside Luke Mitchell’s case and 5 others. It turned out after over a decade he was guilty after all.
Rather than publicly accept Simon Halls guilt she chose to mislead others by attempting to create uncertainty and doubt.
From my point of view, by doing so, she created her own paradox. I believe this was intentional.
“Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli was an Italian diplomat, politician, historian, philosopher, humanist, writer, playwright and poet of the Renaissance period. He has often been called the father of modern political philosophy and political science. Wikipedia
Worth reading up on Mr Machiavelli imo.
”Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.
Another of his famous quotes being:
“Occasionally words must serve to veil the facts. But let this happen in such a way that no one become aware of it; or, if it should be noticed, excuses must be at hand to be produced immediately.”
For me, the latter quote in particular struck a chord with how Sandra Lean chose to publicly respond when I stated her book “No Smoke” should be revised or withdrawn here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.0.html
Looking forward to malignant narcissist’s Sandra Lean’s next video
Based on the last one she’s been honing her acting skills - wonder if she practices in the mirror?
That intentional deep sigh was effective Sandra
But totally see through
The entire content (and acting) was see through
When are you going to publish killer Luke Mitchell’s transcripts of his interviews Sandra Lean - those ones you claim to have been reading again ‘recently’ ?
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Looking forward to malignant narcissist’s Sandra Lean’s next video
Will malignant narcissist Sandra Lean finally be addressing cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell’s ‘issue’s’ regarding her adoption or has the pretend criminologist not recognised them because she’s been too busy attempting to slate JuJ?
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Luke/ Ms Mitchell said in the first few instances of being questioned that he arrived home at 9, left again when going out to search. A witness came forward claiming they had see Luke out with the dog around 10pm. This was omitted from both the appellant and Ms Mitchells statements. Again dismissed as being lies by Ms Lean.
Publish killer Luke Mitchell’s transcripts (and statements) you referred to in your latest video Sandra Lean
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Ana Azaria
“….It was automatically declined by the admin assist because of key words relating to Luke’s brother - part of the rules are that we don’t discuss his brother…
Why?
Has Shane Mitchell threatened Sandra Lean?
I’m off the view Shane Mitchel has threatened both Sandra Lean and hi mother Corinne Mitchell
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Interesting quote from Parky41, on this very forum, a few years ago:
Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place? Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward? - Why is SL dismissing these as being wrong or mistaken, or idle gossip? - but asking people to consider every other piece of hearsay? Or unproven claims that the defence sought not to use - why does she feel she is somewhat superior in intelligence to every expert in their field?
What do liar Shane Mitchell’s police statements and transcripts say about his trip to Oxgangs ?
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Sandra Lean now promoting that other liar, gouger and innocence fraud pusher Michael Naughton from Bristol university
Sandra Lean
I know we have a separate thread for other cases, but this is not so much about other cases as the processes within the CJS that lead to wrongful convictions playing out over and over again!!!
I think you'll find what Dr Naughton has to say here will sound very familiar!!!!
Michael Numpty Naughton mentioned throughout this blog series
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
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Sandra Lean now promoting that other liar, gouger and innocence fraud pusher Michael Naughton from Bristol university
Sandra Lean
I know we have a separate thread for other cases, but this is not so much about other cases as the processes within the CJS that lead to wrongful convictions playing out over and over again!!!
I think you'll find what Dr Naughton has to say here will sound very familiar!!!!
Numpty Naughton and some of the lengths he went to and lies he told and protocols he broke in an attempt to be right in killer Simon Hall’s case
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/19/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19%ef%b8%8f/
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Matt Elliott
Right off the bat…how we ‘demonise’ people!
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Sandra Lean
Everything I've been saying for nearly 20 years - although Dr Naughton is discussing cases in England and Wales, it all applies equally here in Scotland
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole The "official" timeline or the actual one??? Be prepared - this gets complicated!!!
Luke was at the Newbattle entrance at 10.59pm (confirmed by phone records).
The search trio said they left AW's house just after the 11.03 phone call from JuJ. If they were still in the complex at 11.18, it had taken them 15 minutes to get there. We don't know where in the complex they were, but, even if they were close to leaving the complex, they'd still need another 3 - 5 minutes to get to the junction of the paths.
There is one clue about where they were in the complex - when the police reconstructed their route, JaJ pointed out where they where when she took the call from JuJ - according to the police timings, that was 9 minutes into their walk. But that doesn't work either - by 9 minutes in, they're at the Mayfield end of the playing fields - there's still another 400m before they reach "the complex" (assuming they walked in a straight line). Or, alternatively, they're referring to the whole area as "the complex", in which case, they still have another 6 - 700 metres to walk before arriving at the junction of the paths. Essentially, for this "version" to be correct, they'd have to have left AW's at 11.09, which means, in turn, they wouldn't get to the junction of the paths until 11.29pm.
By 11.18, Luke would have been up the path and almost at JuJ's house.
He saw the searchers waiting at the junction of the paths when he was about 2/3 up the path - a walk of around 8 minutes - for them to be waiting for him at the junction, according to that timing, they would have to be at the junction by 7 minutes past 11 - just 4 minutes after they said they left (or 2 minutes before they left, if the 11.09 timing is correct).
I explained in my book why Luke's timings are supported - the amount of time left for getting back down the path, finding Jodi and calling the police simply isn't enough, if you use the trio's timings. If they were in the complex at 11.18, the earliest the could have reached the junction is 11.22pm - they had to wait for Luke to reach them, then have the discussion about something of Jodi's for Mia to scent, the double check, etc, then set off slowly back down the path, stopping to poke about at poly bags in the undergrowth, etc, (slowly is their description, not mine), Mia reacting, Luke doubling back and going over the wall, JaJ and SK coming "running back" to the V, SK going over and coming back, then helping AW over, all in 13 minutes. If we take the 11.09 time of leaving, there's just 6 minutes left for all of that to happen - they couldn't even get to the V point in 6 minutes!
However it's manipulated, the phone logs bracket either end of this piece of the puzzle!
Just for interest's sake, I checked the route they claimed to take - it's a little over 1500m, so would take, on average, 15 minutes - for it to have taken 20 mins, they were walking slower than average.
Yes looks like it is
“Luke was at the Newbattle entrance at 10.59pm (confirmed by phone records)”
How did phone records place the killer Luke Mitchell anywhere at a certain time?
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Sandra Lean
Kirst Smith Michele Scott You also have to remember how much time the police had to convince the family that their (the police’s) theory was correct - and to convince the family’s recall, right at the most horrifying time of their lives
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The same family she has many of her followers accusing of being responsible for killer Luke Mitchell’s murderous crimes
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Part 84 Updated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
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Sandra Lean
Everything I've been saying for nearly 20 years - although Dr Naughton is discussing cases in England and Wales, it all applies equally here in Scotland
On Sonia Poulton and her interview with liar and grifter and innocence fraud pusher Michael ‘Numpty’ Naughton
Eddie Thomson
Watched there Sandra, but she is a poor interviewer ,but the cases sound as if they should be overturned. I have always thought Bamber was innocent especially for his love of his sister ,great video xx hope I find you well my friend xx
Sandra Lean
Eddie Thomson Why do you think she is a poor interviewer?
Eddie Thomson
Sandra Lean I thought she just listened and didn't ask any questions ,unlike you who doesn't hesitate to ask ,also you seem well versed on the subject she didn't seem to know much about the Bamber case ,maybe it's me sorry if I've upset you xx
Sandra Lean
Eddie Thomson No, not at all! I was just interested in why you thought she was a poor interviewer. The complexity surrounding MoJs is enormous and I know Sonia has done a lot of research - sometimes, it's more "productive" (in terms of getting out the sort of information people need to know) to just let guests speak, without too much interruption. Other times, as you point out, asking questions is essential - I guess it comes down to what the intrview is trying to achieve.
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Ailie Wallice
Can I just clarify what ages the moped boys were at the time? Read somewhere that they were 19? Surely that would make them the "moped men" rather than boys?
Wonder if referring to them as boys instead of men was done deliberately to diminish the possibility of their involvement...
Geraldine Dunn
An interesting point , who really in reality was the drug dealer out of 14 year old Luke and JF age 19 the amount of transference in this case is crazy but it would possibly in the minds of the public or some that they were young, only boys so it could intentionally/unintentionally reduce attention because if it was moped men at the very point of where Jodi was murdered by their own admission and at the very time the prosecution case say Jodi was murdered , young girl obviously sexually motivated in some ways why would she be naked apart from her socks , why would parts of her body be mutilated that would connect a sexual tone and why would she be naked if it was not to do with some type of deviant sexual motive , logic didn't win this one either as Lothian and Borders police changed their opinion on this detail, changing it to not sexually motivated , 😕I just don't get it .✌⚖
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Sandra Lean now promoting that other liar, gouger and innocence fraud pusher Michael Naughton from Bristol university
Sandra Lean
I know we have a separate thread for other cases, but this is not so much about other cases as the processes within the CJS that lead to wrongful convictions playing out over and over again!!!
I think you'll find what Dr Naughton has to say here will sound very familiar!!!!
Part 19p - Latest on Michael Naughton of Bristol university
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/06/why-doesnt-michael-numpty-naughton-of-bristol-university-use-the-case-of-wrongly-convicted-actually-factually-guilty-killer-simon-hall-a-case-which-also/
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Part 117
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
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Part 117
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-was-shane-mitchell-disposing-of-evidence-part-117/
Part 118
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-killer-cult-part-118/
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Un-convicted child killer Billy Middleton did a sponsored run on a treadmill apparently for convicted killer Darren Martin - what happened to the money he raised for that - where are the receipts?
Sandra Lean
‘If you send a cheque for £15 made payable to wronglyaccusedperson: Darren Martin Appeal to”
“I'll send you a copy of the book - we can discuss how you'd like me to personalise it when we speak.’
‘Thank you so much, both for helping with Darren's appeal and agreeing to the phd interview ’
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg650649#msg650649
Also included in Sandra Leans thesis
KU KLUX KLAN RAPIST TRAPPED 16 YEARS ON
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ku-klux-klan-rapist-trapped-574289.amp
Man is accused of rape 16 years ago
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8085789.man-is-accused-of-rape-16-years-ago/
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Part 118
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-killer-cult-part-118/
Part 119
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-clearing-up-that-obtuse-line-of-reasoning-of-the-search-party-part-119/
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Ssheryl Ooribine
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐋𝐮𝐤𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐃𝐚𝐡𝐥𝐢𝐚, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐲𝐧 𝐌𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧, 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝. 𝐇𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧'𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐰𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐮𝐩 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫. 💔
Matt Elliott
This is a major part of the 'issue'. How can anyone receive a fair trial in these circumstances, let alone a child.
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Ssheryl Ooribine
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐋𝐮𝐤𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐃𝐚𝐡𝐥𝐢𝐚, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐲𝐧 𝐌𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧, 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝. 𝐇𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧'𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐰𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐮𝐩 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫. 💔
Matt Elliott
This is a major part of the 'issue'. How can anyone receive a fair trial in these circumstances, let alone a child.
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Is Ssheryl Ooribine
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
Sunshine playz
The writing in his school jotters where quotes from a popular video game at the time so again this is false information. And I cannot stress enough Luke Mitchell was not into MARILYN MANSON!!! Omg yous have just fell into the trap of believing everything the media has printed!! I can't believe your saying if your into Nirvana you must be very angry omg are you even listening to yourselves..I love Nirvana so does that mean I have anger issues?? Let me ask you something have you even put the work in into finding the real truth into this case?? Yous are sitting here laughing about Luke and his mother..Shame on yous!!! Do you think if Luke went home covered in blood that this could be cleared up??? The door handles would have had blood on them and here is where your totally wrong because Luke was forensically examined straight after Jodi was found and it's reported by police Luke was UNWASHED and his hair was GREASY so how on earth did he brutally murder Jodi and not be washed and not have a single droplet of blood on him??? Your the evil one laughing at someone wrongfully convicted who had there life snatched from them and laughing and making snide comments about there Mum,Dr Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes. Would you admit to a murder that you didn't commit? I know I wouldn't. Justice For Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones ⚖️⚖️ The truth always comes out!!!!
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https://twitter.com/SsherylO8313/status/1580097546596519937
And if so is she aware of YouTube’s policies?
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UPDATED Part 80 - Ana Azaria Isn’t Carrying Out Due Diligence
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azaria-isnt-carrying-out-due-diligence-part-80/
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Cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell stated on the 29th April 2010
“one last point about the "Parka"
The police are well aware we never burned the thing..............THEY HAVE IT!!!!!!!!
“the police tried saying that the parka that was bought AFTER the murder was a replacement for the one I was supposed to have burned. How can we replace something we never had in the first place.
people who have stated they saw Luke in a parka often......did indeed.......he wore it constantly after it was purchased and was constantly in the press wearing it. ofcourse some people are going to get confused as to when theey saw him wearing it...remember, at the time, the press were relentless and Luke was hounded on a daily basis!
And on the 3rd of May 2010 Corinne stated;
“Luke was hounded by the Press and photographed every day.....wearing the parka. Thats the picture of him that people carry in their heads and that is how some said they THOUGHT he had a parka”
In reality Corinne had no idea what picture people carried in their heads
And in reality LM was not photographed every day - wearing the parka !
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Part 20 - The Fraud Of The Criminal Cases Review Commission
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/10/the-fraud-of-the-criminal-cases-review-commission-ccrc-part-20%ef%b8%8f/
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Cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell stated on the 29th April 2010
“one last point about the "Parka"
The police are well aware we never burned the thing..............THEY HAVE IT!!!!!!!!
“the police tried saying that the parka that was bought AFTER the murder was a replacement for the one I was supposed to have burned. How can we replace something we never had in the first place.
people who have stated they saw Luke in a parka often......did indeed.......he wore it constantly after it was purchased and was constantly in the press wearing it. ofcourse some people are going to get confused as to when theey saw him wearing it...remember, at the time, the press were relentless and Luke was hounded on a daily basis!
And on the 3rd of May 2010 Corinne stated;
“Luke was hounded by the Press and photographed every day.....wearing the parka. Thats the picture of him that people carry in their heads and that is how some said they THOUGHT he had a parka”
In reality Corinne had no idea what picture people carried in their heads
And in reality LM was not photographed every day - wearing the parka !
Sandra Lean August 15, 2012
However, there are a couple of things I can clarify from what I have read today. Firstly, the photograph of Luke which has been posted here was taken on August 14th 2003 (six weeks after the murder) in Dalkeith Police Station at 8am. It was placed in a spread of 11 other pictures that morning, and all 12 were taken to AB that day for her to "identify" Luke. Those events have been severely criticised by Roy Ramm and John Scott, John Scott commenting that they didn't have an arrow pointing to Luke Mitchell, but they might as well have done, because Luke's picture stood out so much. Having seen the other 11 pictures, I agree completely - the others were of much younger children, the hair- styles, although all similar to each other (close cropped), were very different to Luke's. All of the other backgrounds were "rooms" of some description, Luke's was a polaroid style with a white band across the top, and very little background detail.
This photograph was not, as has been claimed, taken when Luke was arrested in April 2004 - the "identification" by AB from that photograph was made on August 14th, six weeks after the murder, and the day before pictures of Luke began to appear in newspapers.. However, the picture of Luke did not match the descriptions AB gave to the police in her first two statements in July 2003, right after the murder. she was describing someone completely different - late teens, early twenties, brown, thick, messy hair, some of it sticking up at the back, wearing "fishing gear" with the same colour jacket and trousers. She said in both of those early statements that she would only recognise him again by his clothing and hair as she had not seen his face.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg114365.html#msg114365
Killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t photographed by the media wearimg his replacement khaki Parka jacket until after the 14th August 2003
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Why didn’t older brother Shane or Corinne Mitchell go out searching in this “dark, secluded path” with him?
Sandra Lean
Luke was 14 years old, he was on a dark, secluded path, his girlfriend was missing, he had told her mum he would check the path and, if he didn't meet Jodi en route, he would make his way to the mother's house. He said at the time, he just wanted to get up the path as quickly as possible - 14 year old boys generally don't willingly admit to being scared, but he said Mia the dog waas very excitable on the way up the path, and he just pulled her in, to keep her moving forward.
On the way back down, in the safety of numbers, he put her into "tracking mode" which he had not done on the way up, so he was actively looking for an "alert" or signal from her - on the way up, he had only been checking the path - on the way back down, he knew Jodi was not on the path, but if she had been in the field or the woods, the dog may have scented her. At 14, alone in the darkness, he was unlikely to go checking in the woods or the fields on his own - the arrangement had been clear - check the path, then up to the mother's house if he didn't meet up with Jodi. it was a catch 22 situation for Lue - he knew Jodi's mother was waiting for him to come up the path - if he'd gone off searching about in woods and fields, her mother would have been frantic that he was taking so long. Anyway, he has said many times since that he wasn't looking anywhere but the path, because he was afraid - if anything bad had happened to Jodi, he didn't want to be on his own. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg115611.html#msg115611
And why, if he was afraid, did he choose to climb over that wall,and show no emotion after he did?
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Sandra Lean
Apologies to all concerned.
None of the pseudo-psychologists, whose opinions of Luke appeared in the media, ever actually spoke to him.
The original claim about an "unusual" relationship came from the liaison officer (referred to in court as the "Vixen in the henhouse") - she was totally and completely aware that Luke was sleeping on a settee in the living room, because the medication he had been given for trauma made him dopey, sleepy, and potentially a danger to himself going up and down stairs.
Corinne slept on a sofa at the other side of the room, ready to direct him back to his sofa if he started wandering in the night.
The liaison officer, who knew about this arrangement, wrote in her report "We found the suspect and his mother sleeping in the same room"
That's it - unusual relationship explained. Sorry for my lack of restraint earlier. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg388031.html#msg388031
Corinne Mitchell was/is an adoptee
What impact did her ‘issues’ related to her adoption have on her sons
And what about Corinne and killer Luke Mitchell’s enmeshed relationship
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notsure (21st March 2017)
What we need is a tv programme like the avery one.get people talking about it
Sandra Lean
Working on it , nottsure. It could never be as compelling as Making a Murderer, because there's so much that couldn't be broadcast under Scots Law, but that doesn't make it impossible. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg390748.html#msg390748
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I don’t rate Elizabeth Yardley https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg419297.html#msg419297
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Sandra Lean (26th October 2018)
Today, my book about the case, Innocents Betrayed, was launched. Profits from the book are being donated to help fund a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which will be taking a radically new approach to helping the fight against injustice.
Details of the book can be found here:
www.longroadtojustice.com
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448049.html#msg448049
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Cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell stated on the 29th April 2010
“one last point about the "Parka"
The police are well aware we never burned the thing..............THEY HAVE IT!!!!!!!!
“the police tried saying that the parka that was bought AFTER the murder was a replacement for the one I was supposed to have burned. How can we replace something we never had in the first place.
people who have stated they saw Luke in a parka often......did indeed.......he wore it constantly after it was purchased and was constantly in the press wearing it. ofcourse some people are going to get confused as to when theey saw him wearing it...remember, at the time, the press were relentless and Luke was hounded on a daily basis!
And on the 3rd of May 2010 Corinne stated;
“Luke was hounded by the Press and photographed every day.....wearing the parka. Thats the picture of him that people carry in their heads and that is how some said they THOUGHT he had a parka”
Adoptee Corinne Mitchell and her gaslighting
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Michelle Celestial-Easterly Moore
This was complete BS. I read up on it to see what the truth was. It was rubbish.
Same Michelle Moore
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-pro-knox-woman-michelle-moore-moderator-for-cult-like-sadistic-psychopath-killers-facebook-group-part-82/
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www.longroadtojustice.com
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Part 120
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/12/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-pusher-hoaxer-sandra-lean-part-120/
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Parky41
"SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ."
The truth, the fact is, SK was in the company of both his girlfriend and father.
Sandra Lean
Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg462082.html#msg462082
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Hoaxer and liar Sandra Lean didn’t hear all the evidence heard at trial
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Parky41
"SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ."
The truth, the fact is, SK was in the company of both his girlfriend and father.
Sandra Lean
Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg462082.html#msg462082
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Hoaxer and liar Sandra Lean didn’t hear all the evidence heard at trial
Hoaxer and malignant narcissist Sandra Lean made claim in her discredited book No Smoke - liar and fraudster Lynne Hall went into Joan Albert’s home with a police officer before forensics had been completed.
This is just one example of the lies and disinformation
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*Misinformation can spread when journalists misinterpret or fail to independently verify a source's claims. Information that is deliberately false or misleading. Disinformation is lying. It is the deliberate use of misinformation.
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Hoaxer and malignant narcissist Sandra Lean made claim in her discredited book No Smoke - liar and fraudster Lynne Hall went into Joan Albert’s home with a police officer before forensics had been completed.
This is just one example of the lies and disinformation
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*Misinformation can spread when journalists misinterpret or fail to independently verify a source's claims. Information that is deliberately false or misleading. Disinformation is lying. It is the deliberate use of misinformation.
Excerpts from No Smoke (chapter 5) by innocence fraud pusher & hoaxer Sandra Lean
Identification and Witnesses
There were no witnesses placing Simon Hall at or near the scene. Several witnesses claimed to have heard loud “crashing” noises at approximately 2am, although the prosecution would later claim that Mrs Albert was murdered at around 6am.
Simon’s car had been developing some problems - a noisy exhaust and trouble with headlights
Lynne Hall was a witness to her adoptive son Simon being ‘near the scene’ - she saw him minutes after he had committed his brutal and murderous crime.
And just like Corinne Mitchell, Lynne Hall went out of her way to provide the police with possible ‘credible suspects’ for her adoptive sons murder, very early on in their investigation.
”When Corinne received information about a credible suspect very early in the case, she called Judith to alert her. The call went to the answering machine. Judith called the police, who came and set up recording equipment on her phone..” ~ Sandra Lean https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg391168.html#msg391168
Liar and fraudster Lynne Hall referred to an alleged ‘incident’ from the week before her adoptive sons murder, attempting to implicate other innocent people http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%ef%b8%8f/
Hoaxer and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean failed to mention the names of any of these alleged witnesses who she claimed “to have heard loud “crashing” noises at approximately 2am” nor did Sandra state where in proximity they lived to Joan Albert’s home. And whether or not it was possible they could have heard a window being broken at 6am from where they lived.
Sandra Lean also didn’t consider the fact ‘busy body’ and liar Lynne Hall began to divert attention away from her killer adoptive son (not unlike liar and fraudster Corinne Mitchell) as soon as she heard her ‘friend’ had been murdered - deflecting and attempting to re-write history with anyone who would listen to her. And Lynne Hall spoke to a lot of people/potential witnesses before the police had spoken to them.
Killer Simon Hall picked up his new car on Saturday the 15th December. He drove it back from the garage where he picked it up and drove it a village outside of Ipswich, then into Ipswich and parked it.
He then drove back to his adoptive parents home several hours later (was there for around an hour) then drove back into Ipswich. He then drove back to Capel St Mary at 5.30am where he parked up and went on to commit his murder of Joan Albert.
Simon Hall didn’t notice ‘trouble with headlights’ until around Monday/Tuesday 17th/18th December 2001 at the earliest.
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Timings
“The judge, in summing up, was to direct the jury that they should consider the loud crashing noises reported by neighbours as possibly coming from “clumsy cats,” even though this suggestion was not raised during the trial.
How would Sandra Lean know whether or not “clumsy cats” were mentioned during the trial?
Sandra didn’t attend killer Simon Hall’s trial!
And the Hall family and Stephanie Bon were (and are) compulsive liars who cannot be relied on to tell the truth.
Stephanie Bon denied ever being Simon Hall’s girlfriend for starters - even though she told the police they were in a relationship at the time of Simon Hall’s murder of Joan Albert (Read more from here http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%ef%b8%8f/)
Parky41
"SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ."
The truth, the fact is, SK was in the company of both his girlfriend and father.
Sandra Lean
Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg462082.html#msg462082
What was Steven Kelly’s (SK) fathers evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
“Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not? ~ Sandra Lean - 5th December 2019”
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
The two footprints found in the mud outside the broken kitchen window did not match Simon’s footwear
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Killer Simon Hall disposed of his footwear the following morning (16th December 2001) and purchased a replacement pair of shoes the same week (Saturday 22nd December 2001)
How did pretend criminologist Sandra Lean think the police could find a ‘match’ if the shoes killer Simon Hall was wearing had been disposed of just over 24hrs later in Colchester - never to be seen again after possibly ending up in some landfill site
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Mores to the point what did his then girlfriend Stephanie Bon think about his missing shoes and replacement new pair? And what about killer Simon Hall’s black and red ‘loud’ shirt that went missing? http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
What about his adoptive mother Lynne Hall? What did Lynne Hall make of the fact her adoptive killer son had purchased a new jacket and pair of shoes days after his murder of Joan Albert?
Just like adoptee Corinne Mitchell - Lynne Hall was prepared to spin a web of deceit in an attempt to cover up for her adoptive sons murder
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
“In spite of police claims that they were trying to eliminate every possible suspect, they never took fingerprints from Simon’s brother Shaun (raising the question, where else might they have had opportunity to take fingerprints, but failed to do so?)
Compulsive liar Shaun Hall was alibied for the weekend. He was miles away with his then girlfriend Leigh and her father (who they lived with in Ipswich)
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
The Judge, The Prosecution And Police
”The police had kept quiet about the gastroenterologist report, and had also suppressed statements from neighbours testifying to loud noises heard in the direction of Mrs Albert’s home
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How did the police keep quiet about the gastroenterologist report exactly?
It was the police who liaised with the gastroenterologist
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And how exactly could the police suppress statements, given it was the police who took the statements which were then disclosed to the defence team
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Hoaxer and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean failed to mention the names of any of these alleged witnesses who she claimed “to have heard loud “crashing” noises at approximately 2am” nor did Sandra state where in proximity they lived to Joan Albert’s home. And whether or not it was possible they could have heard a window being broken at 6am from where they lived.
Sandra Lean also didn’t consider the fact ‘busy body’ and liar Lynne Hall began to divert attention away from her killer adoptive son (not unlike liar and fraudster Corinne Mitchell) as soon as she heard her ‘friend’ had been murdered - deflecting and attempting to re-write history with anyone who would listen to her. And Lynne Hall spoke to a lot of people/potential witnesses before the police had spoken to them.
Again who exactly ‘testified to loud noises heard in the direction of Mrs Albert’s home’?
Did Sandra Lean rely on compulsive liars the Hall family and Stephanie Bon for content for her chapter 5 of her book No Smoke?
And what impact did liar, fraudster and ‘busy body’ Lynne Hall have on potential witnesses evidence - giving the fact Lynne Hall was speaking to anyone who would listen to her as soon as she heard had ‘friend’ had been brutally murdered by her youngest adoptive son and telling them all kinds of incredulous stories - like she did to the police
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Summary
”As such, there is no evidence presented in court which connects Simon Hall with the murder, the murder scene, or the victim
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Sandra Lean did not attend Killer Simon Hall’s murder trial - or killer Luke Mitchell’s - so how could she possibly know exactly what evidence was presented in court?
Pretend criminologist Sandra Lean is not a credible or reliable source when it comes to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder of [Name removed]
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“Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not? ~ Sandra Lean - 5th December 2019”
December 2019 !?!
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What was Steven Kelly’s (SK) fathers evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
“Until 2014, that claim was not made known to the defence. Why not? ~ Sandra Lean - 5th December 2019”
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https://imgur.com/6e0w9wG
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Sandra Lean did not attend Killer Simon Hall’s murder trial - or killer Luke Mitchell’s - so how could she possibly know exactly what evidence was presented in court?
Pretend criminologist Sandra Lean is not a credible or reliable source when it comes to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder of [Name removed]
(https://i.imgur.com/TpsfjaY.png)
So many things Lean claims keep getting contradicted by people who were actually there at the time...
And none of the people duped by hoaxer & innocence fraud phenomenon (as opposed to the outdated ‘miscarriage of justice’ phenomenon) pusher Sandra Lean know any of the details about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes
Or what exactly cruel and callous adoptee Corinne Mitchell and brother Shane Mitchell were up to that night and where sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was exactly after he had committed murder
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
The two footprints found in the mud outside the broken kitchen window did not match Simon’s footwear
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Killer Simon Hall disposed of his footwear the following morning (16th December 2001) and purchased a replacement pair of shoes the same week (Saturday 22nd December 2001)
How did pretend criminologist Sandra Lean think the police could find a ‘match’ if the shoes killer Simon Hall was wearing had been disposed of just over 24hrs later in Colchester - never to be seen again after possibly ending up in some landfill site
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Mores to the point what did his then girlfriend Stephanie Bon think about his missing shoes and replacement new pair? And what about killer Simon Hall’s black and red ‘loud’ shirt that went missing?http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
What about his adoptive mother Lynne Hall? What did Lynne Hall make of the fact her adoptive killer son had purchased a new jacket and pair of shoes days after his murder of Joan Albert?
Just like adoptee Corinne Mitchell - Lynne Hall was prepared to spin a web of deceit in an attempt to cover up for her adoptive sons murder
And killer Simon Hall’s missing leather jacket which another girlfriend called Phoebe was duped into believing wasn’t missing
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-2%ef%b8%8f/
How many people have been duped into wrongly believing sadistic killer Luke Mitchell didn’t own a khaki green parka with badges on the sleeve prior to his murder of [Name removed] and the purchase of a replacement parka?
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
The two footprints found in the mud outside the broken kitchen window did not match Simon’s footwear
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Killer Simon Hall disposed of his footwear the following morning (16th December 2001) and purchased a replacement pair of shoes the same week (Saturday 22nd December 2001)
How did pretend criminologist Sandra Lean think the police could find a ‘match’ if the shoes killer Simon Hall was wearing had been disposed of just over 24hrs later in Colchester - never to be seen again after possibly ending up in some landfill site
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Mores to the point what did his then girlfriend Stephanie Bon think about his missing shoes and replacement new pair? And what about killer Simon Hall’s black and red ‘loud’ shirt that went missing? http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
What about his adoptive mother Lynne Hall? What did Lynne Hall make of the fact her adoptive killer son had purchased a new jacket and pair of shoes days after his murder of Joan Albert?
Just like adoptee Corinne Mitchell - Lynne Hall was prepared to spin a web of deceit in an attempt to cover up for her adoptive sons murder
Why did hoaxer and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean leave all of these factual details out of her first book No Smoke?
All witness statements quoted in the blog series (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/) were available to killer Simon Hall prior to his trial in February 2003.
Liar and fraudster Stephanie Bon had access to the case files as did Lynne and Phil Hall (Simon Hall’s adoptive parents)
Stephanie (Hall) did not know Sandra Lean when she wrote and published her book No Smoke
Contact between Stephanie (Hall) and Sandra Lean did not begin until after Sandra Lean had written to killer Simon Hall (2009)
A copy of Sandra Leans letter where she refers to Stephanie (Hall) as ‘Steph’ and writes about her PhD can be read here https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%EF%B8%8F/
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A copy of Sandra Leans letter where she refers to Stephanie (Hall) as ‘Steph’ and writes about her PhD can be read here https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%EF%B8%8F/
Reuben March 2010
Mr Hall's family was approached about a PHD in 2006, the book came after, 2007 / 08. I never said they were connected, I said that the PHD was the reason behind the first contact from S.L.
Corinne Mitchell March 2010
I am sorry, but you are actually, factually.....wrong.
The book and the PHD are not connected. Sandra began her PHD a couple of years AFTER book was published. When she was writing the book a PHD hadn't entered her head. I know....because I was there!!!
The book was never a promise of help it was written to make the general public aware of how rotten our justice system is.
Who was lying?
And what do records reveal about when exactly Sandra Lean started her PhD?
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
The two footprints found in the mud outside the broken kitchen window did not match Simon’s footwear
Further excerpt by PhD student Sandra Lean
”These footprints have never been matched to any other person, and it is unclear as to how much effort was made to find the owner of the shoes which created these prints
Again - killer Simon Hall disposed of the shoes he was wearing when he committed his murder on the following morning, when he made the excuse to drive to his workplace in Colchester, Essex to ask for a couple of days off to ‘look after’ his adoptive mother Lynne Hall - after having murdered her ‘friend’
How were the police to find the owner of ‘these prints’ if the shoes which made said prints had been thrown away and killer Simon Hall, and all those people who knew he had owned the shoes (which made ‘these prints’) pretended he didn’t own them?
Further excerpt
“Summary
Two footprints found outside the broken window were proven not to be his”
NO THEY WERE NOT !
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Further from Sandra Lean
Summary
”Neither Simon nor his car were ever identified by any person as having been at, or near the scene of crime, and there were no report of a “noisy exhaust” in the area in spite of the prosecutions contention that he drove to the area, parked his car in some unspecified place, then climbed over fences and through gardens to Mrs Albert’s house
Again - Lynne Hall saw her adoptive son Simon Hall just minutes after he had committed his murder of Joan Albert.
Lynne Hall also saw his car.
As did his adoptive father Phil Hall when Phil eventually got out of bed, washed and dressed to go outside to set off for the family Christmas meal up in Lincolnshire
Ergo Sandra Leans assertion that “Simon nor his car were ever idenfied by any person as having been at, or near the scene of crime” was (and is) ludicrous
What is not known is if Lynne Hall first saw her killer son park his car, then disappear while he went off to brutally murder her ‘friend’ or if Lynne first saw the car afterwards
What is known is that Lynne Hall was (and is) a compulsive liar
And given the fact Lynne Hall was (and is) a compulsive liar she would hardly admit to having heard the cars “noisy exhaust”
And the car was not parked in an “unspecified place” - killer Simon Hall told the police where he parked his car during his two days of police questioning. It was parked in Snowcroft, where he then set off on foot down the alleyways
Not only did Sandra Lean not attend the two week trial she did not visit Capel St Mary. Killer Simon Hall walked through alley ways before climbing a fence into Joan Albert’s garden
“..in spite of the prosecutions contention that he drove to the area”
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Why should there have been reports of an alleged ‘noisy exhaust’ at 05:45 - 06:00hrs on a Sunday morning a week before Christmas in Snowcroft?
Was the “noisy exhaust” at intermittent noise at this point?
Did Lynne Hall hear the “noisy exhaust” but pretend she hadn’t heard it?
Who else was up at that time of the morning in Snowcroft?
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Further excerpt from hoaxer, innocence fraud pusher and liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
The Judge, Prosecution and Police
”The alleged murder weapon has nothing whatsoever to link it with the crime, or with Simon Hall, in spite of the fact the victim had been stabbed “repeatedly”.
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Yes it did
The ‘murder weapon’, which was the knife found on the kitchen floor had body tissue and blood matching Joan Albert on it
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Further excerpt from liar and fraudster Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke (chapter 5)
“The judge, in this case, appears, quite blatantly, to have ignored much of the factual evidence and, as a result, to have misled the jury
That’s one hellava projection - with Sandra Lean misleading her readers
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Motive, Speculation, And Character Assassination
”Simon cannot account for his whereabouts between 5.30 and 6.30am that morning. The murder most probably occurred sometime prior to 3am ~ Sandra Lean from her first book No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
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Transcripts for all records of police interviews from 25th to 26th July 2002 start here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/28/record-of-interview-1-25th-july-2002-1340hrs-to-1423hrs/
Proof of evidence statement here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/05/r-v-simon-john-hall-proof-of-evidence-witness-statement-referring-to-events-of-the-15th-and-16th-december-2001/
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Fraudster and hoaxer Sandra Lean January 2017
”If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
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Excerpt from fraudster and hoaxer Sandra Lean from No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
“..he had just been accepted for a loan to buy a car”
Killer Simon Hall paid for the car he picked up on Saturday the 15th December 2001 (the day before he committed his murder) using cash - no loan (accepted or otherwise) was involved
See Simon Hall’s 2002 proof of evidence statement below
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author=Nicholas link=topic=11976.msg695071#msg695071 date=1668286149]
Proof of evidence statement here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/05/r-v-simon-john-hall-proof-of-evidence-witness-statement-referring-to-events-of-the-15th-and-16th-december-2001/
Re: Saturday the 15th December 2001
“Having acquired the Audi, I then completed the sale of my Golf GTI to Glenn on that same day outside a pub in Stutton. I can’t remember the name of the pub but it is Glenn’s local pub. He gave me a cash payment for the Golf GTI which I in turn had used to purchase the Audi
~ Simon Hall (2002)
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Excerpt from fraudster and hoaxer Sandra Lean from No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
“..he had just been accepted for a loan to buy a car”
Killer Simon Hall paid for the car he picked up on Saturday the 15th December 2001 using cash - no loan (accepted or otherwise) was involved
See proof of evidence statement below
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Re: Saturday the 15th December 2001
“Having acquired the Audi, I then completed the sale of my Golf GTI to Glenn on that same day outside a pub in Stutton. I can’t remember the name of the pub but it is Glenn’s local pub. He gave me a cash payment for the Golf GTI which I in turn had used to purchase the Audi
~ Simon Hall (2002)
Sandra Lean (January 2017)
“I spoke with many people (including others whose cases were mentioned or discussed) about the question of withdrawing the book. Not one of them wanted the book withdrawn. There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort - time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time.
Why did compulsive liars Corinne Mitchell and her sadistic killer son Luke Mitchell not want compulsive liar Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice revised or withdrawn knowing it was full of lies, misinformation and disinformation ?
Or will fraudster Sandra Lean claim she didn’t speak with the Mitchell’s about revising and/or withdrawing her first book
And what about the other people Sandra Lean allegedly spoke to about revising and/or withdrawing her first book
Did these people also not care about the lies, misinformation and disinformation contained within Sandra Lean first book?
And I’ve only pointed out the lies, misinformation and disinformation from a handful of sentences from chapter 5
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Further excerpt from Sandra Leans first book No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
”Even assuming the time of death could be pinpointed to “around 6am,” as the prosecution claimed, it now has to be accepted that Simon dropped his friend at 5.30am, drove (drunkenly) 7 miles to Mrs Albert’s home
Killer Simon Hall did drop Jamie Barker off at 5.30am.
Jamie Barker was a work colleague of killer Simon Hall’s, they weren’t friends per se (they barely knew each other) and he wasn’t drunk. Simon Hall didn’t drink much.
And he drove to his parents house in Snowcroft NOT Mrs Albert’s home, parking his car in Scowcroft NOT Boydlands.
Why would a compulsive liar and fraudster like Sandra Lean choose to write and publish a second book in the knowledge her first book was full of lies, misinformation and disinformation
And why the double binds - how much ‘time and effort’ did the second book take to write?
And why did compulsive liar Sandra Lean pretend in October 2019 she had only made ‘one typo’ in her first book No Smoke? It was (and is) riddled with lies and fabricated stories
Sandra Lean (January 2017)
“I spoke with many people (including others whose cases were mentioned or discussed) about the question of withdrawing the book. Not one of them wanted the book withdrawn. There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort - time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time.
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Further excerpt from Sandra Leans first book No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
”If Mrs Albert died at 6am, if follows that Simon was still inflicting the after death injuries at 6.30am, if he was the killer. Therefore he could not have been at home.
The pathologist said ‘possibly up to’ 30 minutes - NOT that it would have taken 30 minutes
Killer Simon Hall, like killer Luke Mitchell, inflicted injuries following his murder/‘after death’
Piquerism is said to be an ‘under-researched sexual paraphilic disorder’
Both killers Simon Hall and Luke Mitchell appeared to have had enmeshed relationships with their adoptive and adoptee mothers
Article of possible interest https://ebrary.net/157567/psychology/displaced_matricide
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Excerpt from chapter 5 of Sandra Leans first book No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice
”Also, the prosecution accused Mrs Hall of being dishonest about the fact she had once run a clothing business, because “she did not tell police about it earlier” completely missing the point that she had not, in fact, been asked about it earlier!
It was hoaxer Sandra Lean who missed the point and was wrong once again
As can be seen from the prosecutions closing speech (Page 31)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/03/26/regina-v-simon-hall-transcript-of-prosecutions-closing-speech/
Lynne Hall wasn’t accused by the prosecution “of being dishonest about the fact she had once run a clothing business”
Lynne Hall was accused of being dishonest about the dates she stored the items from her ‘clothing business’ in the wardrobe of bedroom 3
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What impact did Corinne Mitchell’s adoption have on her sons
What has Shane Mitchell said about his relationship with his adoptee mother?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383172.html#msg383172
"When toxic types can’t control the way you see yourself, they start to control how others see you; they play the martyr while you’re labeled the toxic one. A smear campaign is a preemptive strike to sabotage your reputation and slander your name so that you won’t have a support network to fall back on lest you decide to detach and cut ties with this toxic person. They may even stalk and harass you or the people you know as a way to supposedly “expose” the truth about you; this exposure acts as a way to hide their own abusive behavior while projecting it onto you.
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And what was killer Luke Mitchell’s relationship with his mother
And how did killer Luke Mitchell really view his mother
Who was the person (‘credible suspect’) compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell initially attempted to blame her sons murder of [Name removed] on?
How old was killer Luke Mitchell when he wrote his essay headed ‘pain and suffering’
What has killer Luke Mitchell said about his mother Corinne’s adoption and how her ‘issues’ impacted on him?
How did killer and sexually aggressive Luke Mitchell feel, whilst sat being recorded for his Sky news TV interview with his mother Corinne stroking his ear like she did
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Compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell knew why [Name removed]’s family did not want her or her killer son Luke Mitchell as [Name removed]’s funeral
Corinne Mitchell knew by this time that [Name removed]’s family believed her killer son Luke was responsible for his murder of [Name removed]
But malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell didn’t care
And Corinne Mitchell went out of her way to attempt to make that day ([Name removed]’s funeral) all about her and her killer son
Note: Shane Mitchell was no where to be seen
“Narcissists punish for numerous reasons
1 to control
2 to get revenge
3 to demonstrate their powers of influence
4 to obtain/regain compliance
5 to vent their rage
6 to assert their entitlement
7 to shut down potential or actual threats
8 to defeat “competition”
9 to display their dominance
10 to get “respect”
11 to create fear
12 to derive sadistic pleasure
https://narcissistfamilyfiles.com/2017/12/11/narcissists-torture-others-believe-theyre-right/
These two narcissists had only known [Name removed] for a few months
Malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell did not think “what harm could it do” in relation to the Sky TV news interview
Corinne Mitchell knew exactly what harm her actions could and would do on that day
The Sky news TV interview was staged by malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell stated in 2020/21 ~ “Erm in fact I thought it could do better because there there was whisper of say Luke not caring a jot..”
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“Narcissists punish for numerous reasons
1 to control
2 to get revenge
3 to demonstrate their powers of influence
4 to obtain/regain compliance
5 to vent their rage
6 to assert their entitlement
7 to shut down potential or actual threats
8 to defeat “competition”
9 to display their dominance
10 to get “respect”
11 to create fear
12 to derive sadistic pleasure
https://narcissistfamilyfiles.com/2017/12/11/narcissists-torture-others-believe-theyre-right/
Malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell did not think “what harm could it do” in relation to the Sky TV news interview
Corinne Mitchell knew exactly what harm her actions could and would do on that day
The Sky news TV interview was staged by malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell stated in 2020/21 ~ “Erm in fact I thought it could do better because there there was whisper of say Luke not caring a jot..”
“HOW DARE YOU” - media headline following the Sky news TV interview
Corinne and killer Luke Mitchell ‘dare’ behave like this because they were (and are) malignant narcissists
Corinne Mitchell again referring to their Sky news TV interview
“..well at least if we show them this then at least they know we are thinking about her and we do have emotions and what not
‘Her’ not Jodi ‘her’
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“HOW DARE YOU” - media headline following the Sky news TV interview
Corinne and Luke Mitchell ‘dare’ behave like this because they were (and are) malignant narcissists
Corinne Mitchell again referring to their Sky news TV interview
“..well at least if we show them this then at least they know we are thinking about her and we do have emotions and what not
‘Her’ not Jodi ‘her’
Adoptee Corinne Mitchell (circa 2020/21) referring to their staged Sky TV news interview
“Yeah the public turned against us on that one..”
Killer Simon Hall’s adoptive mother Lynne Hall behaved similar to Corinne Mitchell
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12195159 (Lynne Hall told bare faced lies in her BBC interview - which appears to have been removed)
Malignant narcissist Lynne Hall also appeared on a TV show (in 2007), alongside her husband Phil Hall and Stephanie Bon in which they all told various types of lies
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I have read "No Smoke", and i got the impression that SL was not saying the people featured in it were definitely innocent, but that there were aspects of their trials that made one ask questions.
Given the fact hoaxer Sandra Leans book No Smoke The Shocking Truth About British Justice is riddled with lies, misinformation and disinformation - why would she choose to not correct her lies, misinformation and disinformation before writing and publishing a second book?
Sandra Leans chapter 5 on killer Simon Hall demonstrated a lot of what she wrote and published was fabricated
Why would a pretend criminologist like Sandra Lean choose to keep her fabricated work (1st book) in circulation and not want to revise all the fabrications and lies before writing and publishing a second book?
And why did Sandra Lean choose to bare face lie about ‘one typo’?
Further excerpts from Sandra Leans first book No Smoke
”The most worrying issues raised by the Simon Hall case:
Police failed to follow up other leads
What with Shaun Hall’s fingerprints?
Forensic And Other Physical Evidence
“In spite of police claims that they were trying to eliminate every possible suspect, they never took fingerprints from Simon’s brother Shaun (raising the question, where else might they have had opportunity to take fingerprints, but failed to do so?)
Compulsive liar Shaun Hall was alibied for the weekend. He was miles away with his then girlfriend Leigh and her father (who they lived with in Ipswich)
”Police files were suppressed or hidden
NO they weren’t!
Police files were disclosed to killer Simon Hall and his defence team pre trial
Maybe by ‘suppressed’ and ‘hidden’ fraud and hoaxer Sandra Lean was referring to what killer Simon Hall and Lynne, Phil and Shaun Hall and Stephanie Bon had ‘hidden’ and ‘suppressed’ from Sandra
“The jury appears to have ignored “the facts”
Seems it was Sandra Lean who “ignored the facts”
“The judge fails to properly direct the jury, and at times appears to lead them in the direction of the prosecution argument
Judge Rafferty made it clear in her summing up if the jury didn’t agree with her on the ‘facts’ then the jury should ignore her (Page 3)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/transcript-of-judges-summing-up-r-v-simon-john-hall/
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Hoaxer and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean 10th January 2017
“Media wars are not my thing. Misinformation is not my thing. Have at it, Stephanie.
When I revise No Smoke, the quote I posted earlier, give or take, will be the revision for Simon's case. Take it or leave it!
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382996.html#msg382996
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“Narcissists punish for numerous reasons
1 to control
2 to get revenge
3 to demonstrate their powers of influence
4 to obtain/regain compliance
5 to vent their rage
6 to assert their entitlement
7 to shut down potential or actual threats
8 to defeat “competition”
9 to display their dominance
10 to get “respect”
11 to create fear
12 to derive sadistic pleasure
https://narcissistfamilyfiles.com/2017/12/11/narcissists-torture-others-believe-theyre-right/
These two narcissists had only known [Name removed] for a few months
Malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell did not think “what harm could it do” in relation to the Sky TV news interview
Corinne Mitchell knew exactly what harm her actions could and would do on that day
The Sky news TV interview was staged by malignant narcissist Corinne Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell stated in 2020/21 ~ “Erm in fact I thought it could do better because there there was whisper of say Luke not caring a jot..”
Lucy Brier stated during the channel 5 TV show that killer Luke Mitchell and [Name removed] had dated for “five months”
On the 14th of February 2003 killer Luke Mitchell was with one of the Kim’s
and suggested elsewhere that they had ‘dated’ for around three months not five
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How did compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell ‘notice’ her killer son Luke Mitchell’s police tape was marked ‘suspect’ and her tape was marked ‘witness’?
Presumably Corinne Mitchell was in the room with her youngest son whilst he was interviewed on the 2nd of July 2003
Was Luke also in the same room when his mother was interviewed?
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Did Corinne Mitchell ever speak to her killer son Luke (or Shane) about her biological parents?
Did Corinne know who her biological parents were?
Did Corinne Mitchell ever attempt to search for her biological parents - and did she ever meet them ?
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Compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell claimed (in MIAST) killer Luke Mitchell’s lips were ‘blue’
Does Corinne know what it means when someone’s lips turn ‘blue’ ?
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Compulsive liar Corinne Mitchell claimed (in MIAST) killer Luke Mitchell’s lips were ‘blue’
Does Corinne know what it means when someone’s lips turn ‘blue’ ?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell ~ ”..if I wasn’t gripping the bench at the dock so tightly I would have collapsed”
Were his lips ‘blue’ then too
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Oh - his lips became ‘blue’ when his mother went to visit him in the court cells
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But his ‘blue’ lips were no longer ‘blue’ by the time he got back on the prison bus back to YOI
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Can’t decide who out of Allan Jamieson, John Sallens and Michael Neill came across as the most moronic in Part 2 of MIAST
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And why does hoaxer and pretend criminologist Sandra Lean (whilst driving the car in part 2 of MIAST - with not a single person in sight) refer to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell as escaping ?
“For Luke to have escaped..”
Who was he escaping from Sandra Lean
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Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell go to live near her oldest son Shane Mitchell?
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell ~ ”..if I wasn’t gripping the bench at the dock so tightly I would have collapsed”
Were his lips ‘blue’ then too
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Oh - his lips became ‘blue’ when his mother went to visit him in the court cells
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But his ‘blue’ lips were no longer ‘blue’ by the time he got back on the prison bus back to YOI
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BLUE lips
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This is right up your street, Nick... from a Bamber, Alexander and Mitchell supporter...
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/ (https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/)
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This is right up your street, Nick... from a Bamber, Alexander and Mitchell supporter...
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/ (https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/)
Lol - yes they seemed keen to want to share it with me https://twitter.com/SteepleTimes/status/1592501075831320578
The moron(s) can’t even get warped minded abuser, fantasist and pretend lawyer Scott Forbes name correct
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“Recently, Scott Mitchell, who has been the lawyer for Mitchell since 2010 but also involved with the case since 2003”
Doesn’t look like Matthew Steeples can “afford copy checkers”
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This is right up your street, Nick... from a Bamber, Alexander and Mitchell supporter...
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/ (https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/)
More importantly Matthew Steeples couldn’t be bothered to spell Jodi’s name correctly (He link’s to a Wikipedia page where even they have Jodi’s name spelt correctly)
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And I get the sense of contempt from Matthew Steeples when he refers to Jodi, this innocent child, as ‘Miss Jones’
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Total hypocritical moron !
Matthew Steeples
@M_Steeples
One would think
@MailOnline
might be able to afford copy checkers capable of spelling the names of trashy so-called 'celebs' that dominate their 'sidebar of shame' - Even I know that it's "Lindsay Lohan" and not "Lindsey Lohan" https://dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11381653/Stars-noughties-using-festive-movies-comeback.html… Don't want her back though.
9:22 AM · Nov 15, 2022·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/M_Steeples/status/1592447869239578624
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Total hypocritical moron !
Matthew Steeples
@M_Steeples
One would think
@MailOnline
might be able to afford copy checkers capable of spelling the names of trashy so-called 'celebs' that dominate their 'sidebar of shame' - Even I know that it's "Lindsay Lohan" and not "Lindsey Lohan" https://dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11381653/Stars-noughties-using-festive-movies-comeback.html… Don't want her back though.
9:22 AM · Nov 15, 2022·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/M_Steeples/status/1592447869239578624
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12390.msg686919#msg686919
It's people like Steeple who keep the myths going
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/ (https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/luke-mitchell-petition/)
“A full statement regarding the alleged failings in the case brought by Lothian and Borders Police follows after the videos and photographs beneath this article. It has been compiled by supporters of Luke Mitchell, a dedicated group who have been in touch with The Steeple Times for many months now.
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Matthew Steeple’s blog didn’t include the fact killer Luke Mitchell was seeing the two girls behind their backs (there were other girls apparently too)
And lots of the medias articles don’t - but it’s highly relevant to Luke Mitchell’s character and murder
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/12799875.judges-told-mitchell-lied-about-affair/
”It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there"
Sandra Lean(12th January 2017)
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Some posters may recall this woman who killer Simon Hall saw in November 2012 after the Zenith burglary revelation - who hoaxer Sandra Lean also didn’t mention in her manipulative and false statement (above)
from H****“..my friend Simon, the one I sobbed to in the visiting room in Kingston when I was told I had cancer, the one I spilt my guts to over and over again, my mate Simon who I would have trusted with my life”
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BU_u05elY6Y/?hl=en-gb
To killer Simon Hall from 👆🏽
29th November 2013 (21:28)
“Simon. Disgusted, appalled, sickened, gut wrenched all of the afore mentioned, just don’t know what a little old lady could have possibly done to warrant you taking her life, even worse to lie for all those years prolonging the families agony, Cruel to say the very least, callous and sick to the core.
2nd December 2013
H****
“Now that I have confessed to being guilty of a disgusting, despicable, horrific murder, I understand your reaction and anger. You have every right to be pissed off, hurt, let down by me and to question many things
“However, if you want to be angry, be angry with me not Stephanie. Half of your email was directed at her..
Hoaxer and malignant narcissist Sandra Lean and her lies, manipulation and disinformation campaigns are see through
She asks for ‘true justice & transparency’ yet her and killer Luke Mitchell & his family haven’t been transparent in relation to their evidence ie; statements/transcripts or the Scottish criminal cases review commissions statement of reason as to why they think killer Luke Mitchell is guilty
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More importantly Matthew Steeples couldn’t be bothered to spell Jodi’s name correctly (He linked to a Wikipedia page where even that have Jodi’s name spelt correctly)
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And I get the sense of contempt from Matthew Steeples when he refer to Jodi, this innocent child, as ‘Miss Jones’
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Total hypocritical moron !
Matthew Steeples
@M_Steeples
One would think
@MailOnline
might be able to afford copy checkers capable of spelling the names of trashy so-called 'celebs' that dominate their 'sidebar of shame' - Even I know that it's "Lindsay Lohan" and not "Lindsey Lohan" https://dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11381653/Stars-noughties-using-festive-movies-comeback.html… Don't want her back though.
9:22 AM · Nov 15, 2022·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/M_Steeples/status/1592447869239578624
Matthew Steeples
Stuart Henderson A pleasure to try and assist. There are enough discrepancies in this case that a reinvestigation is most definitely required. The police did not do their job properly and you have continually highlighted it. I do hope the petition proves successful.
Matthew Steeples again confirming what a misogynistic moron and creep he is and also demonstrating he doesn’t understand the facts of the case against sadistic, sexually aggressive and violent killer Luke Mitchell
The Steeple Times
@SteepleTimes
Replying to
@InnocenceFraudW
@Gary_Flockhart
and
@edinburghpaper
Hormonal teenagers do tend to experiment and play around and equally holiday romances tend to be just that. This does not seem a very relevant piece of information in any regard. The girl concerned probably thought she could sell her “non-story” and is a bit of a Julie Mugford.
6:58 AM · Nov 16, 2022
·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/SteepleTimes/status/1592774099054776320
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or the feelings of a 14 year old child
Mr Beckett told the appeal judges: "It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there." https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/12799875.judges-told-mitchell-lied-about-affair/
Matthew Steeples on another case
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Steeple says that CB wouldn't be interested in little girls that he went for older. Did he not read about CB taking photo's of his girlfriends little girl? This man is a complete idiot.
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Corinne Mitchell - 2007
"He has no idea how to be 19 years old. He didn't know how to be 16, 17 or 18 years old because he's not had the chance to progress as a normal teenager would
“Basically, there's not much to ask each other, just to say what other people have been doing, what his friends have been doing.
I don't know quite what to say. I don't want to upset him with him knowing he is missing out on things that his friends are doing.
Speaking to presenter Mike Graham and accompanied by the book's author, Sandra Lean, Mrs Mitchell claimed she had no idea why police singled out her son.
"There were other parties on that path at the time. Luke wasn't even on the path. I can only put it down to the fact that our dog found where Jodi's body was," she said. "There's absolutely no evidence.
She also claimed her son's rights had been violated by police who refused to allow her to join him during interviews." https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/corinne-mitchell-fights-free-her-son-2506492
Utter nonsense
Killer Luke Mitchell was sexually active long before his murder and arrest in 2003
Was dealing and smoking weed
Drinking alcohol (as per bottles in his bedroom)
Going to clubs and gigs
And if as Corinne claimed the police “didn’t allow her to join him during interviews” ow did she allegedly see the word ‘suspect’ on his tape and how did killer Luke Mitchell ask his mother questions like whether or not brother Shane was in the house
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What about adoptee Corinne Mitchell’s ‘progression’ ?
What impact did Corinne Mitchell’s adoption have on her and in turn killer Luke Mitchell and his older brother Shane Mitchell
”The loss for the adoptee is unlike other losses we have come to expect in a lifetime, such as death and divorce. Adoption is more pervasive, less socially recognized, and more profound." - Dr. David M. Brodzinsky and Dr. Marshall D. Schechter in Being Adopted: The Lifelong Search for Self.
Often adopted children appear to be just "fine" however research has shown that many adoptees have built walls around themselves to keep others from getting too close. They may hide behind perfectionism, achievement and even self-sufficiency. They often resist what they need and want most of all.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8774.msg432753#msg432753
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11438.msg586778#msg586778
Corinne Mitchell - 2007
“I've been told I had no parental control, but I had no trouble from Luke. I never had to pace the living room wondering where he was. He was a normal, typical 14-year-old with a very gentle nature
https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/corinne-mitchell-fights-free-her-son-2506492
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What about adoptee Corinne Mitchell’s ‘progression’ ?
What impact did Corinne Mitchell’s adoption have on her and in turn killer Luke Mitchell and his older brother Shane Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell - 2007
“I've been told I had no parental control, but I had no trouble from Luke. I never had to pace the living room wondering where he was. He was a normal, typical 14-year-old with a very gentle nature
https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/corinne-mitchell-fights-free-her-son-2506492
Corinne Mitchell was (and is) deluded
Killer Luke Mitchell admitted to having a ‘short fuse’
“Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, produced a psychiatric report in which Mitchell said his mother was quick-tempered and described himself as having a 'short fuse'.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DID+NOT+COVER+UP+FOR+LUKE+OVER+JODI%3B+Mum%27s+denial+in+murder+trial.-a0127122255
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It's interesting how one simply keeps on turning things on to others. The silent protest today saw around 30 people, maybe slightly more turn out for what is described as making history (By Ms Lean). Of course, it is making history, any engine searches into the future will mention the handing over of a petition. However, it is the MSP's who are being blasted, they knew right up until yesterday the petition was going to be getting taken into the Scottish Parliament, they are at fault for not all being there to greet them, not the claimed supporters of innocence who did NOT turn up to support the event themselves! They (The group members) have been getting polls carried out for days trying to determine who would be there.
It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support. There is NO pride to be had Ms Lean, nor of course Mr Forbes in gaining support by deception. It is the furthest thing that 'pride' can be applied to
25K signatures is indeed and accomplishment not to be sniffed at, but not to lose sight that it is a worldwide petition, social media rampant last year with tag a friend to get it signed. Ms Leans attempts recently to get even those who believed in guilt to knock it up to the 25K mark. But and again, the bias and deception, with most signing simply taken up a few seconds of their life and thinking no more of it, fail to realise the deception at play.
We were discussing the reality around this recently, again that failure, that IF Mitchell had walked free from court, there would NOT have been any investigation into finding an alternate killer, it would simply have meant there would have been insufficient evidence in strength to convict in law the factual killer. Far too black and white with no middle ground, this professing him innocent and searching for their imaginary real killer! As I have pointed out many times, the type of evidence presented in Mitchell's case cannot be scrubbed out. One can produce as many imaginary others as one pleases, it does not cancel out the evidence against Mitchell.
I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer, that his continuous evasion of the evidence will not make it disappear, that without any doubt he appears to actually know very little himself - Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"
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It's interesting how one simply keeps on turning things on to others. The silent protest today saw around 30 people, maybe slightly more turn out for what is described as making history (By Ms Lean).
That’ll be her malignant narcissism - what she possibly sees as her legacy
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However, it is the MSP's who are being blasted, they knew right up until yesterday the petition was going to be getting taken into the Scottish Parliament, they are at fault for not all being there to greet them, not the claimed supporters of innocence who did NOT turn up to support the event themselves!
Russell Findlay who appears to have been duped by the killer of Margaret McLaughlin (and another dodgy ‘criminologist’ - David Wilson) turned up - the only MSP to do so apparently
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It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support.
Yet
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We were discussing the reality around this recently, again that failure, that IF Mitchell had walked free from court, there would NOT have been any investigation into finding an alternate killer, it would simply have meant there would have been insufficient evidence in strength to convict in law the factual killer. Far too black and white with no middle ground, this professing him innocent and searching for their imaginary real killer!
David Wilson - another grifter involved with the ‘innocence’ movement (‘friendly’ with Jerry Buting) has previously attempted to do this with a couple of cases, maybe more
David Wilson was involved in a TV show where he attempted to suggest another convicted killer was responsible for the murder of Carl Bridgewater
Carl Bridgewater’s killers had their conviction deemed ‘unsafe’ by the court of appeal
None of the 4 men ever cleared their names - regardless of what MSM reported
But the ‘innocence’ movement pretended otherwise, as did David Wilson
David Wilson has also written a book about Margaret McLaughlin‘s killer and apparently, according to Libby Brooks, the book claims David Wilson has ‘identified a more likely suspect in the killing’
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Russell Findlay possibly duped by David Wilson’s word play ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/10/scottish-tory-msp-george-beattie-case-scotland
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I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer,
They all do this - it’s another fraudulent tactic
Many people fall for the ‘appeals to credentials fallacy’ also
Similar to journalists who are given ‘awards’ for some of the work they have done in investigating alleged ‘miscarriages of justice’ as opposed the very real innocence fraud phenomenon
Eamon O’Neill springs to mind
Both the Paul Blackburn and Stephen Downing cases feature in Dr Michael Naughton’s (with Gabe Tan) book ‘Claims of Innocence’ http://www.innocencenetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Claims-of-Innocence.pdf
as does the case of Robert Brown https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/spent-25-years-jail-after-16355857
Investigative journalist Eamon O'Neill campaigned for Robert Brown and was a contributor to Michael Naughton’s book
Eamon O’Neill made the false statement that the court of appeal judges found killer Robert ‘innocent’ - they didn’t!
Nick Wallis is another dodgy AF writer/investigative journalist who also doesn’t appear to actually investigate
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Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem
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David Wilson - another grifter involved with the ‘innocence’ movement (‘friendly’ with Jerry Buting) has previously attempted to do this with a couple of cases, maybe more
David Wilson was involved in a TV show where he attempted to suggest another convicted killer was responsible for the murder of Carl Bridgewater
Carl Bridgewater’s killers had their conviction deemed ‘unsafe’ by the court of appeal
None of the 4 men ever cleared their names - regardless of what MSM reported
But the ‘innocence’ movement pretended otherwise, as did David Wilson
David Wilson has also written a book about Margaret McLaughlin‘s killer and apparently, according to Libby Brooks, the book claims David Wilson has ‘identified a more likely suspect in the killing’
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Russell Findlay possibly duped by David Wilson’s word play ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/10/scottish-tory-msp-george-beattie-case-scotland
Debbie Samantha - 8th March 2021
I wonder why professor David Wilson hasn’t got involved with this case... He’s a good criminologist 🤔
Chris Teasdale
I have emailed prof Wilson to ask his view - his reply was he hasn't studied the case but did watch the docu. He referred me to the Daily record article
Debbie Samantha
Chris Teasdale confusing response... is he implying he thinks Luke is guilty by referring to the daily record articles or trying to not give an opinion? 🤷♀️🤔
Dave Dave
I’m pretty taken aback by Prof David Wilson on Twitter. He’s been sharing posts by the Daily Record that say Luke is guilty. Anyone know what planet he’s on? Yeah, we have mixed opinions in life, but someone of his reputation and standing. He will be lucky to have followers after that. Sharing tabloids. WTF
Heather Langley - 12th October 2022
Hi folks. Apologies for the long read but here’s a wee update on my time at Professor David Wilson’s talk this evening. I did manage to ask my question and my question was this: “I’d like to ask about your thoughts on Luke Mitchell’s conviction in 2005 for murdering Jodi Jones. I always presumed he was guilty but having dug a bit further in to the facts of the case recently, I have grave concerns now about his conviction. I’m really intrigued to know what your thoughts are on his conviction and if you could explain why you’ve reached that conclusion?”
His answer was basically that although he knew there were two completely polar opposite camps, (the camp who thought he was totally innocent and the camp including the Daily Record journo who were unequivocal about his guilt), he said he simply didn’t know enough about the facts of the case to comment on the conviction. Although he knew of the case, he apologised that he couldn’t answer my question but he just didn’t know enough about it. He did say he watched the documentary a few weeks back (so I’m presuming that was Murder in a Small Town) but he didn’t think the two ex polis were very credible. He didn’t elaborate on why he thought that and by then the mic had been handed back to the runner to go to the next person.
Sorry troops, I know a lot of you were hoping to hear his thoughts on it (as was I) but that was it unfortunately. I think it’s worth mentioning though that he did speak quite a bit about miscarriages of justice and he is in no doubt that they do happen. He was also openly critical of Chief Superintendent William Muncie (the detective in charge of the Peter Manuel case) who, even in the face overwhelming evidence of a man’s innocence, pursued George Beattie as the murderer of Margaret McLaughlin in Carluke in 1973.
That’s about it in a nutshell but he answered about another 5 or 6 questions in the Q&A bit and I found him to be very forthcoming on those so from what I experienced tonight, I’ve no reason to doubt that he was being anything but honest; I hope that’s the case anyway!
David Wilson is aware of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon and he too was said to have allegedly written an article on it last year
Nothing transpired
Most probably because David Wilson is also up to his neck in it
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Tony Conlin
Sandra Lean thanks Sandra I didn't wish to appear downbeat it's just my own huge mistrust of the SMSM look at how they portrayed TC Campbell & Joe Steel or the Birmingham 6 & the Guildford 4 all innocent of the crimes they were found guilty of committing I applaud you and everyone who takes a stand against injustice against police corruption and ineptness I think we all have our own theories as to who butchered [Name removed] why did the Police decided to trash the crime scene and discard vital evidence ? I have my own theory why, but I can't back up my suspicions. I keep asking myself over and over why was the drugs squad never involved considering the admission of being in possesion of a ' 9 bar' and the open secret of drug dealing involving [Name removed]'s family there is something just not right here at all add to that the obvious contempt of court and the perverting of the course of justice by [Name removed]'s family who were ' allowed ' to change statements or amend them my belief is they were instructed to do this because their original statements backed up what LM had told them about the events that night. I believe this was done so L M, CM, & SM could be discredited and portrayed as dishonest. Also if LM was a ' known' drug dealer why wasn't he charged by the drugs squad ? Simply because he wasn't and this was a red herring intended to to slander the character of LM thus giving the impression to the jury he was a danger to the public. Yes for me the Police directed the SMSM down this road for reasons known only to them. Can I ask you this Sandra ' Stocky Man' who I believe to be to be JosJ was under the mental health umbrella, did this mean that they knew pursuing him would fail because they wouldnt be able to prosecute him under the Mental Health Act, is this correct or am I way off beam here ?
TC Campbell, Joe Steel the Birmingham 6 & the Guildford all failed to prove their actual, factual innocence
A look into the minutiae of each case suggests yet further examples of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon
Sandra Lean 15th November 2022
Where to begin, Tony??? I don't know why the police made such a mess of the crime scene and missed so many other lines of enquiry - while we might all have different ideas about that, an official, independent review might give us some reliable answers!
The whole drugs thing is baffling. Not so long ago, in this same area, there was a "drugs bust" involving 20+ officers for what, according to neighbours, was a very small amount of cannabis involving just one person.
It's not just the question "If Luke was a "known" dealer, why wasn't he charged by the drugs squad?" - it's actually worse than that. As well as allowing JuJ to enter Luke's home on two occasions AFTER Luke was the police's prime suspect and placing the "vixen in the henhouse" FLO in the family home from day one, JoF admitted in court that he continued to supply Luke with cannabis (not the other way round, please note) for SIX MONTHS after Jodi was murdered. He had to be doing that right under the noses of L&B's finest, since Luke's every move was being watched. How much attempted entrapment was actually going on in this case? How Luke ended up being "the dealer" when the police watched [Name removed] supply him for months is beyond me.
Our legal system demands that people be "mentally competent" to be questioned, charged, arrested and tried. Anyone considered not to be mentally competent cannot (or should not) have any of these measures taken against them. In the Billy-Jo Jenkins case, for example, what should have been a prime suspect could not be questioned because, according to his psychiatrist, he was "floridly psychotic" and therefore not in rational command of anything he was saying.
If someone is deemed not mentally competent, but has carried out a serious crime, they cannot be put on trial, because they cannot be considered to have the mens rea - the conscious intent - to commit the crime. In most such cases, there is no trial as such - the person is detained in a mental institution for as long as it takes to diagnose them as "well enough" to live in the community again.
There was nothing wrong with Billie-Jo Jenkins psychopathic killer Sion Jenkins mental health
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Lyndsey Reilly Lavery
It is time he was home, however, he doesn't have one to go back too as far as I'm aware, that lads mother has been living in some kind of barn for many years with no running water or electricity, also as far as I'm lead to beleive she is in very poor health with all the stress of this and her now living conditions, all this and to think it's all because of what happened to a young beautiful girl whom as yet has had no justice and the accused innocent has spent all these years in prison instead of living his life and creating a future.
I want to know what the relevant authorities are going to do to put both Luke and his mother in a home with a good steady future ahead, how will they be compensated, what is enough?
According to Corinne Mitchell during the filming for the TV show, which occurred either in 2019/2020 - Corinne claimed she had been living in her office for around six (6) years
The TV show misled everyone who watched it regarding where Corinne Mitchell was living by the time it aired - as well as the rest of the deceit, deflection, lies & bs
Corinne Mitchell appeared to give the impression she had sold her house because of her killer sons incarceration and legal fees
But in reality if the reason Corinne Mitchell sold her house was to pay legal fees - this would have no doubt been to do with John McCafferty’s death in one of her caravans
https://www.scotsman.com/news/murderer-mitchells-mother-sued-ps-14m-over-deadly-caravan-1687143
If Corinne Mitchell had been living in her office since 2013/14 how often did Sandra Lean visit with her, if ever?
Also did Sandra Lean’s home in Mayfield have a chimney ?
And did Sandra Lean carry out work on her chimney in early 2014 or were those parts required for someone else?
Also if Corinne Mitchell didn’t have heat/electricity in her office in 2014 what did Sandra Lean say about this then?
And what caused Corinne Mitchell’s stroke back in 2009?
Corinne Mitchell stated on 14th March 2010
Yes. I have had a stroke and it prevented me attending the last day of court at Lukes last appearance.
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Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
RosieRubble072 commented on Roberta Glass’s video about signing the petition
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RosieRubble072 stated;
“I sign this petition as a retired police officer with 30 years service and after having watched the TV Program feel that the conviction is clearly not safe.
Shocking that an alleged former police officer with 30 years service would fall for such propaganda - but they do!
Then RosieRubble072 stated,
Aside from the lack of any evidence,
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I am horrified to think that a juvenile could have even have been interviewed for such a serious offence without legal representation.
Would like to hear RosieRubble072’s thoughts on why Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany this ‘juvenile’ to look for Jodi Jones late at night on the 30th June 200
And what she thinks they were both up to that night
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Thank goodness RosieRubble072 is no longer a police officer - presuming she ever was
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
Why did RosieRubble072 comment about the petition on a video about the TV show
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Every case RosieRubble072 was ever involved with should be investigated
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RosieRubble072 also stated
I can't belive all DNA they have for other people yet that poor lad has been locked up for all those years!! Let's put the police on trial for the lives they have ruined and find the real killer of that poor wee girl
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
What DNA of others are they referring to ?
And why do they want to ‘put the police on trial’ - if they were a serving police officer for 30 years?
Does RosieRubble072 think RoseRubble072 should go on trial also ?
Is there something RoseRubble072 wants to talk about during their alleged time as a police officer?
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I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer, that his continuous evasion of the evidence will not make it disappear, that without any doubt he appears to actually know very little himself - Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"
Scott Forbes couldn’t give away a copy of his book to Russell Findlay quick enough today
Wondered if they ever met before via MOJO Scotland?
After dropping off this gimmick of a petition Scoot Forbes goes straight over to Russell and out from his satchel comes a copy of his abusive, warped minded writings
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Heather Langley
I loved that I managed to get a clear shot of Russell holding Scott’s book!👍👍
Shame there won’t be any photos of him if/when he starts reading it
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It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support. There is NO pride to be had Ms Lean, nor of course Mr Forbes in gaining support by deception. It is the furthest thing that 'pride' can be applied to
These people have no idea what this malignant narcissist is all about
And Sandra Lean is a malignant narcissist for sure.
And it’s why she wasn’t phased about going into partnership with someone like Billy Middleton/WAP when she did - A means to an end.
And it’s why Sandra Lean can exploit people like she does.
But some of these people will realise in time she has exploited them.
Sandra Lean
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Lynne, Phil and Shaun Hall knew killer Simon Hall was guilty of his brutal murder from the start
Just like Corinne and Shane Mitchell know killer Luke Mitchell is guilty
The Hall family colluded with each other, just like the Mitchell’s
Stephanie Bon was also involved in the collusion
And I’m of the firm view killer Simon Hall admitted to his murder of Joan Albert to his brother Shaun Hall (not long after), and very possibly others
It’s possible Shaun Hall told his then partner, and others. There was a reason Shaun Hall’s then partner didn’t like Simon Hall and why she remained silent and didn’t speak out. Plus she had his child.
Lynne Hall was/is also a malignant narcissist. She knew her adoptive son was guilty of an horrific murder but they all pretended he wasn’t in order not to bring shame on them all.
Lynne Hall did not want her parenting questioned, neither did Phil Hall. Corinne Mitchell is very similar.
And it’s why Sandra Lean has chosen to abuse and attack JuJ like she has over the years, in a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from Corinne Mitchell.
Lynne Hall was also the type of person who lied “the moment she opened her mouth”.
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These people have no idea what this malignant narcissist is all about
And Sandra Lean is a malignant narcissist for sure.
And it’s why she wasn’t phased about going into partnership with someone like Billy Middleton/WAP when she did - A means to an end.
And it’s why Sandra Lean can exploit people like she does.
But some of these people will realise in time she has exploited them.
Only a malignant narcissist like Sandra Lean (with two daughters) could use the diary entires of another mothers murdered daughter - in an attempt to prove her argument right - even when it isn’t
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Sandra Lean
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Sandra Lean was about 15+ years out regarding a ‘murder confession’
Again, killer Simon Hall’s family members knew he was guilty all along
Shaun Hall swapped bracelets with his killer brother Simon because the pair of them knew an arrest was imminent (The police had recently carried out forensic tests for fibre evidence on his cars and at Snowcroft/June 2002)
They needed to be certain DNA linking back to Simon Hall’s murder of Joan Albert couldn’t be detected on the bracelet he was wearing at the time.
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Sandra Lean
I just wanted to say a massive thank you to everyone who came along for yesterday's petition handover and vigil. It was amazing to meet everyone and to see all your posters and banners - you did Luke proud. It was a dignified, respectful event and a number of passing members of the public stopped to chat and find out more.
Thanks, too, to everyone who's shared and commented on social media - getting the word out to those who don't know yet is every bit as important!!!
Another huge milestone met and passed. We're getting there!!!
*&^^&
The petition won’t make any difference. There’s been ‘no milestone’ met or ‘passed’
There won’t be an independent review
This isn’t about killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne
This is all about Sandra Lean (and to a lesser degree - Scott Forbes)
It’s about Sandra Lean’s ‘work’ - similar to Stephanie Bon’s ‘work’
People like Sandra Lean lie with ease. Stephanie Bon wasn’t much different;
Stephanie Bon - February 2013
My only interest in Simon’s case is and always has been to see justice be done for Mrs Albert
I feel that malicious gossip and bad press did not help Simon when he was first arrested and to replicate it on a website to help free him just doesn’t make sense to me
It is a shame that J4S had to be taken down as it had a lot of supportive messages from people to Simon as well as a lot of good press showing support and progress and also the turnaround of people’s opinion back then, despite the allegations made by mrs h, it did help Simon and brought attention to his case
I am disappointed that Simon didn’t feel he could share his latest revelation with me at the time I started J4S or during my work campaigning as I would definitely have advised him to seek the best advise and own up to the appropriate people as opposed to being speculated and gossiped about until it got leaked on a public forum
Despite mrs h’s allegations, Simon did not disclose this information to me as he well knows
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%EF%B8%8F/
Stephanie Bon didn’t care about Joan Albert. She didn’t know her and had never met her.
Stephanie Bon bare faced lied about killer Simon Hall’s ‘latest revelation’ (the Zenith burglary) - just like Sandra Lean lies about facts to do with killer Luke Mitchell and Corinne and Shane Mitchell
Sandra Lean’s behaviour resembles Stephanie Bon’s behaviour
Stephanie Bon - 4th February 2013
If you ask your husband, he will tell you that he brought 2 cd players to my house when we were going out after he had disappeared for a weekend and noone knew where he was. He’d been nicked for the night but this was way before Joan was murdered, nothing to do with the case, so do you want to add another robbing to the list? maybe he’s lying to you? My brother was there and other people saw them, I went mental and threw them out! You stupid cow, are you going to announce another f..k up of his publicly? Shall i? unlike you, its not Simon i want to damage, its you! (sic)
Sandra Lean’s abuse and attacks of JuJ’s are also all about Sandra Lean (See through in her last video)
Killer Simon Hall may have told Stephanie Bon ‘he’d been nicked for the night’ when he chose to commit his murder but if true, why did Stephanie Bon choose to keep this from Suffolk police during their investigation?
And why didn’t Stephanie Bon tell the police about the ‘2 cd players’ ?
People lie. Even during murder investigations. Motivations vary
But Sandra Lean’s abuse and attacks of the Jones/Walker family have been (and are) deplorable
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Sandra Lean
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Sandra Lean was about 15+ years out regarding a ‘murder confession’
Again, killer Simon Hall’s family members knew he was guilty all along
Shaun Hall swapped bracelets with his killer brother Simon because the pair of them knew an arrest was imminent (The police had recently carried out forensic tests for fibre evidence on his cars and at Snowcroft/June 2002)
They needed to be certain DNA linking back to Simon Hall’s murder of Joan Albert couldn’t be detected on the bracelet he was wearing at the time.
Sandra Lean
Little tiny details that can change the entire narrative
JuJ’s hasn’t been ‘actively dishonest’ Sandra Lean
But you most definitely have
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Did killer Luke Mitchell cycle to school ?
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Sandra Lean recently claimed JuJ’s didn’t ask killer Luke Mitchell where he and Jodi were supposed to be meeting that day
Where is Sandra Lean’s evidence for this?
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Sandra Lean
JuJ’s hasn’t been ‘actively dishonest’ Sandra Lean
But you most definitely have
Sandra Leans recent claim of her alleged ‘realisation’ (about her Roans dyke path story) and being ‘stunned’ by her ‘realisation’ (latest YT video) is yet more evidence of Sandra Lean being ‘actively dishonest’
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Sandra Lean asked in her latest YouTube video if she was “missing” something
She has ‘missed’ lots of things
One thing that stands out appears to be her lack of comprehension relating to the vast array of human emotions and that human emotions are subjective
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Sandra Lean asked in her latest YouTube video if she was “missing” something
Btw Sandra Lean - your entire last YouTube video came across as completely fake and feigned
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And it’s why Sandra Lean has chosen to abuse and attack JuJ like she has over the years, in a feeble attempt to deflect attention away from Corinne Mitchell.
But suspect the abuse and attacks aimed at JuJ’s recently (YouTube video) has been done in an attempt to deflect attention away from Sandra Lean (and killer Luke Mitchell & his mother Corinne Mitchell)
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Did killer Luke Mitchell cycle to school ?
And did he spend the Sunday the 29th of June 2003 at his father Philip Mitchell’s house?
If so, what exactly did he wear to his fathers house on the 29th June 2003
Evidence heard during the killers trial was that he spent Sundays at his fathers house
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And did he spend the Sunday the 29th of June 2003 at his father Philip Mitchell’s house?
If so, what exactly did he wear to his fathers house on the 29th June 2003
Evidence heard during the killers trial was that he spent Sundays at his fathers house
What did Philip Mitchell and his partner say about what killer Luke Mitchell was wearing?
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And did he spend the Sunday the 29th of June 2003 at his father Philip Mitchell’s house?
If so, what exactly did he wear to his fathers house on the 29th June 2003
Evidence heard during the killers trial was that he spent Sundays at his fathers house
Was it customary for Philip Mitchell to pick his killer son Luke Mitchell up on a Sunday or did Corinne Mitchell drop him off at his fathers house?
Or did killer Luke Mitchell travel with his brother Shane to see their father, presuming they shared the same father?
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And did he spend the Sunday the 29th of June 2003 at his father Philip Mitchell’s house?
If so, what exactly did he wear to his fathers house on the 29th June 2003
Evidence heard during the killers trial was that he spent Sundays at his fathers house
What did Sandra Lean say in her 2nd book about where killer Luke Mitchell was on Sunday the 29th June 2003 and what he was wearing that day?
And did he ever sleep over at his fathers house and if so when?
Did Luke only ever spend Sundays at Philip Mitchell’s house?
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What did Philip Mitchell and his partner say about what killer Luke Mitchell was wearing?
What exactly did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about his trousers in that bag?
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Btw Sandra Lean - your entire last YouTube video came across as completely fake and feigned
And Alice Walker told the court they went to search along the path because it was known Roans Dyke path was a meeting point for killer Luke Mitchell and [Name removed]
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And Alice Walker told the court they went to search along the path because it was known Roans Dyke path was a meeting point for killer Luke Mitchell and [Name removed]
What exactly did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell JuJ’s about him going up the path to meet [Name removed] and what did he say to her about his bike?
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These people have no idea what this malignant narcissist is all about
And Sandra Lean is a malignant narcissist for sure.
And it’s why she wasn’t phased about going into partnership with someone like Billy Middleton/WAP when she did - A means to an end.
And it’s why Sandra Lean can exploit people like she does.
But some of these people will realise in time she has exploited them.
Same as Sandra Leans partnership with warped minded abuser Scott Forbes - a means to an end
This ‘tag team’ attempting to project sadistic, ‘out of control’, sexually aggressive killer Luke Mitchell’s character and behaviour onto others
Same regarding cruel, callous abuser and adoptee Corinne Mitchell
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These people have no idea what this malignant narcissist is all about
And Sandra Lean is a malignant narcissist for sure.
And it’s why she wasn’t phased about going into partnership with someone like Billy Middleton/WAP when she did - A means to an end.
What does warped minded abuser Scott Forbes say about Sandra Leans relationship with un-convicted child killer, sexual deviant and sadist Billy Middleton?
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Matt Elliott
Petition handover: Scottish Parliament 16/11/22
Thank-you to everyone who turned up yesterday, signed the petition, wrote to your MP ,shared this injustice and just for caring.
Dr Sandra Lean has worked tirelessly on this case, and is truly grateful to you all and the progress WE are making. Yesterday we made history.
Special mention to Scott Forbes, Neil, Rachel, Sharon and all the Facebook team who work tirelessly, and respectfully ,in the background...you know who you are.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOk1TSt9268
(At around 2:19) Matt (Matthew) Elliott edited the above and has made Sandra Lean and Russell Findlay’s handshake appear very different to the handshakes that took place in reality - in the unedited version (available to view on Fb)
In reality - Russell Findlay first shook the hand of gouger Scott Forbes, while charlatan Sandra Lean put her hand out, and waited with her hand out for split seconds before the handshake actually took place
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Angie Timothy
It’s 18 years ago today “18th November” Luke Mitchell’s trial was restarted.
What is the Reid’s technique?
It is something that is used when there is no solid evidence to try and elicit a confession or manipulate you into saying something incriminating. This technique was used on Luke during his section 14 interview.
Interrogators used the Reid’s technique on a child who had just turned fifteen.
A section 14 interview in 2003 allowed officers to question anyone, adult or child, for six hours without a parent, legal guardian or lawyer present. Although this was allowed at the time (it was later changed), the senior investigating officer {Craig Dobbie} had discretion to allow access to a lawyer, especially if the witness or suspect was vulnerable, for example, a 15 yr. old child. During Luke’s section 14 interview on 14th August 2003, the interrogating officers lied and selectively interpreted a number of pieces of ‘evidence’, using the Reid technique to try and secure a confession.
One of the aims of the Reid technique was to attempt to induce false confessions, it can also cause suspects to make un-factual statements during an interrogation. The Reid technique of psychologically manipulating people through trickery, deceit, embarrassment and harassment, may lead to false confessions – but one problem with the method is that both guilty or innocent, all suspects become more willing to confess. There is no strategy that motivates only the guilty suspects to talk. In the Reid technique, interrogation is an accusatory process, in which the investigator tells the suspect that the results of the investigation clearly indicate that they did commit the crime in question. Below is a list of some of the things said to Luke and how these things were put to him. As the interrogation went on, they left no room for him to answer, but they weren’t interested in answers, the barrage of questions was designed to put pressure on him and confuse him, and to make him feel uncomfortable, degrade, belittle, and humiliate him.
DCI: “I am talking specifically about the harness. What does Mia understand the harness means? You have been trained, partially trained to train Mia… through your mum, you have just said that did you not? Is that not what you’ve just… Right, how do you understand the harness? So, if you wanted Mia to track you would put the harness on?”
Luke: “I could not say what Mia understands the harness to mean, I am not a dog psychologist. I have not been trained to train Mia. I have not been trained. I have not been trained to, like, totally understand what the dog feels…I have just been trained to…tend…to the track. The harness, well, to us its working, but to them, I would say it is sort of a game for them.”
As you can see, the interrogating officers are clearly trying to insinuate that if Mia did not have the harness on, she would not track, yet as Luke said it’s all just a game of hide and seek to Mia - if somethings hidden, Mia seeks it.
The officers then moved on to another barrage of questions, asking about Luke’s sexual relationship with Jodi, how many times they had sex? And where it usually happened?
Luke: “Eh my bedroom”
DC: “Every time? In your room?
Luke: “Yeah.”
DC: “Did you use protection?”
Luke: “Yes”
Luke was asked on numerous occasions if he used protection, and replied ‘yes condoms’ every time, yet the interrogating officers still saw fit to ask questions like, did you withdraw before ejaculation or anything like that - this further question appeared to have no justification other than keeping an intense and uncomfortable focus on sex. They asked: “Ok so with your sexual relationship, what did it involve? Was there oral sex involved…masturbation…with Jodi? Was that part of your sex act?” They asked questions like did he have a particular sexual fantasy? How do you get an erection? What do you think about when you get an erection? What do you find erotic? Luke answered this barrage of questions as best he could. He said sex was …” just sex”. They then reverted back to previous questions Luke had already answered: Have you ever asked Jodi to perform a … a specific sex act?
Luke: “No”
DC: “Oral sex for example? Have you ever asked her to perform oral sex?”
Luke: “No”
There was no need for this line of questioning, as the police had already by this point decided it was not sexually motivated (according to reports from police in the media), so it seems probable this line of questioning was intended to humiliate and degrade him - a child just turned fifteen. Luke had asked to speak with his mum or a lawyer on several occasions, and was told not just now, or later.
“DCI RT says you’ve got a huge, big bowie knife…you had it the last time he saw you; you took it home…where is that knife now?”
Luke, after been goaded like this for over an hour, responded,” I don’t even know what a f…….. bowie knife looks like. So how would I know”
DC: “It’s a hunting knife similar to a fishing knife…people call them Rambo knives, people call them hunting knives, have you ever owned something like that?”
This question you can’t answer as the question is not designed to allow for an honest answer.
Luke: “No”
DC: “Why would RT say that, then?”
And on and on they went about a number of people talking about Luke having a bowie knife
DC: “So, are they all lying? Every single one of them? People who don’t even know each other.”
DC shows Luke a picture of a knife: “Do you recognise that knife?”
Luke confirmed that it was his fishing knife.
DC: “Where’s the knife now?”
Luke: “I don’t know the police probably got it. you’ve no idea where it is? Well considering you’ve got photos of if I take it, you’ve got it.”
They then showed him another photo of a knife, it was a knife Luke confirmed was from work and was used for opening boxes.
DC: “Where did that go to?”
Luke: “Well considering you’ve got the photos, you’ve got it, haven’t you?”
DC: “Well, how did we get it then?”
What was the officer implying by that last question? Having twice raided the family home, searched the business premises and took every knife the family owned; it was fairly obvious that the investigating officers were trying to insinuate they had found a knife elsewhere.
The officers said: “In all, there was about forty-five different people we’ve spoken to, who all say you have knives, you take them out in public, you have a fascination for knives, where are all those knives?”
This is one to trick the mind - the “45 different” sticks in your head and as you’re speaking about knives, and where are all these knives? You may automatically think of forty-five different knives not people. They continued with their lies and trickery.
DC: “It’s your DNA, Luke, from sperm, on her bra…so how did that get there? We’ve got a partial sample and that’s your DNA, we’re telling you that’s your DNA”.
Luke: “You know how DNA works, right? Our individual genetic codes are unique, so if it’s a partial sample, it’s no mine.”
The officers move onto “what about the German army shirt, Luke? We’ve got dozens of witnesses telling us you were wearing it that night, dozens, of witnesses, describing you, Luke - you, to a T, so where’s that German army shirt now Luke, eh? Where is it?”
Luke replied: “You’ve got it. I didn’t even have an army shirt before - my mum bought it after you took all my stuff the first time. You’ve got the receipt as well?”
The Reid technique, in a nutshell, is lying about evidence they claim to have, when they don’t, just to attempt to get the “cave in” answer they want. They move onto a totally unrelated question {to create confusion} then circle back to the original question…on and on, all in the hope their target will slip up somewhere. They “won” on one count – when they had bombarded him with a million questions on all sorts of different subjects, then circled back around to what Jodi was wearing.
Luke said, “I think she was wearing her baggy cords – or maybe her sister’s baggy cords – that night…. I mean that day at school.”
To this day, people claim Luke “knew” what Jodi was wearing ’that night’, so he must have seen her after school. Every single question, prior to the circling back to what Jodi was wearing, was about ‘that night’ – no surprise at all that he used their phraseology – it was exactly what they were driving at – but even then, he corrected himself immediately. The interrogating officers never move from their stance of “we know you did it and we’ve got the evidence and witnesses to prove it” {even though they are lying}. Their target has no access to the outside world, no way of checking what they are saying. No matter how much you, as a person know ‘the truth’, every time something confusing or contrary to what you know is introduced, your mind automatically tries to make sense of it, but it can’t because it doesn’t make any logical sense, but while your mind is distracted with that, they’re chucking in a whole raft of new information and questions, knowing you’re not paying full attention to it, because you’re still trying to work out the first bit. Subconsciously, your mind registers things like “that night” or “in the woods” or whatever, so you’re far more likely to either repeat those phrases…or worse, agree with them, because they’ve deliberately diverted your attention elsewhere in advance. The more aggressive or threatening they are, the more “urgent” your mind thinks it is to work out the “logic” in questions where there is no logic, but you don’t know that, because you’re frantically trying to work out how they can say {for example},” it’s your DNA” when you know it can’t possibly be.
The Reid technique was not only used to try trick and manipulate Luke during the interrogation, they actually used the persuasion part of the technique that they adapted on potential witnesses, by playing with the mind psychologically. It’s highly inappropriate and controversial, yet aspects of the Reid technique are still used today.
#justiceforlukemitchell — with Barbara Bacon.
Is this 👆🏽 from gouger Sandra Leans second book ?
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Apparently gougers Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes are making a new submission as they allegedly have ‘new evidence’
Con-artist Sandra Lean now claiming she wrote her second book mostly for ‘education’ - ‘ to educate’
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‘Whining’ murderer Sean Toal also involved with this innocence fraud grift (as we knew) - Toal was also represented by Graham Mann solicitors on appeal
“But after he was jailed for at least 15 years, he and his lawyers spent a decade trying every method they could think of to challenge his conviction”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mum-tells-relief-murdering-6414735
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=ea6e86a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
The same Graham Mann who door stepped Andrina Bryson with fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
I don’t believe AB agreed to meet with these two blaggers. Scott Forbes is a compulsive liar
“In 2010, solicitor, Graham Mann and myself tracked Ms Bryson to a house in Newtongrange. After making inquiries at her old property, she called our office. She was angry that we were trying to trace her but agreed to meet with us.
We assured her we only wished to ask a few questions regarding the identification of Luke Mitchell. When we arrived at her home, her husband and mother-in-law were in attendance. They were angry that we had been looking for them and Graham Mann reminded them that it was our job. Ms Bryson was as nervous a witness I had ever come across.
We asked why she couldn’t pick Luke out in court considering the detailed description she had given of the man she had seen and subsequently able to identify from a photo. She wasn't sure, so I asked her if Luke had changed appearance, size, or weight from the alleged sighting to him appearing in court. Before Ms Bryson could answer me, her mother in-law interrupted by stating, “that's it, that's it finished, no more questions.” We asked the reason why, but the meeting was quite obviously over. Ms Bryson has since moved to Australia, and it is my understanding she was again very nervous when she was tracked down in 2021 for the TV series.
Graham Mann mentioned in Part 1 Questions For Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
Part 4 The Appeals To Credentials Fallacy & Innocence Fraud
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
Part 49 More Lies From Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
Carol Toal mother of ‘whining’ murderer Sean Toal mentioned in Part 11a “It’s Family & It’s Personal”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
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I don’t believe AB agreed to meet with these two blaggers. Scott Forbes is a compulsive liar
“In 2010, solicitor, Graham Mann and myself tracked Ms Bryson to a house in Newtongrange. After making inquiries at her old property, she called our office. She was angry that we were trying to trace her but agreed to meet with us.
We assured her we only wished to ask a few questions regarding the identification of Luke Mitchell. When we arrived at her home, her husband and mother-in-law were in attendance. They were angry that we had been looking for them and Graham Mann reminded them that it was our job. Ms Bryson was as nervous a witness I had ever come across.
We asked why she couldn’t pick Luke out in court considering the detailed description she had given of the man she had seen and subsequently able to identify from a photo. She wasn't sure, so I asked her if Luke had changed appearance, size, or weight from the alleged sighting to him appearing in court. Before Ms Bryson could answer me, her mother in-law interrupted by stating, “that's it, that's it finished, no more questions.” We asked the reason why, but the meeting was quite obviously over. Ms Bryson has since moved to Australia, and it is my understanding she was again very nervous when she was tracked down in 2021 for the TV series.
It is NOT the ‘job’ of any lawyer to attempt to intimidate witnesses
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Ana Azaria
Biffy Mackay The scene was bleached while the area was closed off by police, we know that for a fact, so not speculation - but the police never provided an explanation for it so we have no idea who did it or why.
One episode of ‘Crime Scene Clean Up’ may provide an answer
*&^^&
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Taylor Paul
David Leitch I will not argue wether he is guilty or not. I don't know. I do know a lot about the case, and legally qualified to hold a valid opinion. Put his guilt aside, a case like this should never be allowed to happen again. To convict someone with nothing more than circumstantial evidence is scandalous.
Taylor Paul (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100071713846621)
Innocence FraudI cannot tell you anything about them. What I can tell you is that I have read the trial transcripts in their entirety, and that every piece of circumstantial evidence that was put to the jury was covered in the documentary. On that basis, I cannot agree that they were biased.
Is Neil Rennick still the director for justice in Scotland? And if so is he the person to make enquiries with about who convicted killer Luke Mitchell/Sandra Lean/Scott Forbes are sharing the case files with ?
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Taylor Paul
David Leitch I will not argue wether he is guilty or not. I don't know. I do know a lot about the case, and legally qualified to hold a valid opinion. Put his guilt aside, a case like this should never be allowed to happen again. To convict someone with nothing more than circumstantial evidence is scandalous.
Taylor Paul (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100071713846621)
Innocence FraudI cannot tell you anything about them. What I can tell you is that I have read the trial transcripts in their entirety, and that every piece of circumstantial evidence that was put to the jury was covered in the documentary. On that basis, I cannot agree that they were biased.
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Is Neil Rennick still the director for justice in Scotland? And if so is he the person to make enquiries with about who convicted killer Luke Mitchell/Sandra Lean/Scott Forbes are sharing the case files with ?
Wonder if Taylor Paul also knows there’s an H in ‘whether’ ?
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‘Whining’ murderer Sean Toal also involved with this innocence fraud grift (as we knew) - Toal was also represented by Graham Mann solicitors on appeal
“But after he was jailed for at least 15 years, he and his lawyers spent a decade trying every method they could think of to challenge his conviction”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mum-tells-relief-murdering-6414735
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=ea6e86a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
The same Graham Mann who door stepped Andrina Bryson with fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
I don’t believe AB agreed to meet with these two blaggers. Scott Forbes is a compulsive liar
“In 2010, solicitor, Graham Mann and myself tracked Ms Bryson to a house in Newtongrange. After making inquiries at her old property, she called our office. She was angry that we were trying to trace her but agreed to meet with us.
We assured her we only wished to ask a few questions regarding the identification of Luke Mitchell. When we arrived at her home, her husband and mother-in-law were in attendance. They were angry that we had been looking for them and Graham Mann reminded them that it was our job. Ms Bryson was as nervous a witness I had ever come across.
We asked why she couldn’t pick Luke out in court considering the detailed description she had given of the man she had seen and subsequently able to identify from a photo. She wasn't sure, so I asked her if Luke had changed appearance, size, or weight from the alleged sighting to him appearing in court. Before Ms Bryson could answer me, her mother in-law interrupted by stating, “that's it, that's it finished, no more questions.” We asked the reason why, but the meeting was quite obviously over. Ms Bryson has since moved to Australia, and it is my understanding she was again very nervous when she was tracked down in 2021 for the TV series.
Graham Mann mentioned in Part 1 Questions For Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
Part 4 The Appeals To Credentials Fallacy & Innocence Fraud
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
Part 49 More Lies From Fantasist & Blagger Scott C Forbes & Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/06/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-49/
Carol Toal mother of ‘whining’ murderer Sean Toal mentioned in Part 11a “It’s Family & It’s Personal”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
Waiting for Nicki Mac (Macyntyre) to explain the logic and reasoning behind Carol Toal, mother of ‘whining’ murderer Sean Toal, to come out in support of ‘murderer rapist’ Simon Hall
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Waiting for Nicki Mac (Macyntyre) to explain the logic and reasoning behind Carol Toal, mother of ‘whining’ murderer Sean Toal, to come out in support of ‘murderer rapist’ Simon Hall
Seems Nicki Mac (who has stated Scott Forbes is her boyfriend) has some similar behaviours to warped minded fantasist Scott Forbes - including making deletions
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Part 128
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-dna-the-constant-lies-manipulation-by-sandra-lean-part-128/
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Part 129
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/killer-luke-mitchell-behave-fantasy-lawyer-scott-forbes-with-your-constant-lies-part-129/
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The same Graham Mann who door stepped Andrina Bryson with fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
I don’t believe AB agreed to meet with these two blaggers. Scott Forbes is a compulsive liar
“In 2010, solicitor, Graham Mann and myself tracked Ms Bryson to a house in Newtongrange. After making inquiries at her old property, she called our office. She was angry that we were trying to trace her but agreed to meet with us.
We assured her we only wished to ask a few questions regarding the identification of Luke Mitchell. When we arrived at her home, her husband and mother-in-law were in attendance. They were angry that we had been looking for them and Graham Mann reminded them that it was our job. Ms Bryson was as nervous a witness I had ever come across.
We asked why she couldn’t pick Luke out in court considering the detailed description she had given of the man she had seen and subsequently able to identify from a photo. She wasn't sure, so I asked her if Luke had changed appearance, size, or weight from the alleged sighting to him appearing in court. Before Ms Bryson could answer me, her mother in-law interrupted by stating, “that's it, that's it finished, no more questions.” We asked the reason why, but the meeting was quite obviously over. Ms Bryson has since moved to Australia, and it is my understanding she was again very nervous when she was tracked down in 2021 for the TV series.
It is NOT the ‘job’ of any lawyer to attempt to intimidate witnesses
Re Graham Mann
[103] It is disappointing that the appellant's agents should have written such an offensive letter. The writer's remark about the advocate depute was disgraceful. He could have pursued the question of consulting with Dr Turner by a simple letter written with the courtesy that any responsible lawyer would show in such circumstances..
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=ea6e86a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Does anyone know if Graham Mann’s behaviour has ever been reported or investigated?
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“Luke said nothing of the sort and even if he had I could not have accepted such an instruction I’ve explained before that the difficulties with making public certain documents so not only would putting some of those documents in the public domain be an offence in Scotland it would also have or could also have an impact on Luke’s case in the future on my professional position and on the other cases that I work with
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
“My professional position” as an innocence fraud pusher and hoaxer
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I did what I set out to do and that’s incredible that is an absolutely fantastic feeling
Malignant narcissist Sandra Lean ‘set out’ to con people
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I mentioned recently to Mr Forbes, who I see by the latest report in the media has increased his 6yr lie to 12yrs now of being Mitchell's lawyer, that his continuous evasion of the evidence will not make it disappear, that without any doubt he appears to actually know very little himself - Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"
you come across as you do. ...yourself and our **** appear to work in concert and display a frightening lack of understanding of crime. A couple of gossips. The knife was found in a skip, were Joe J and [Name removed] frequented, in a skip the man seen running from the murder scene was heading towards. Police forensics teams searched for the tip of the knife. The knife there after 'disappeared'. But ill let our **** to make up nonsense and gossip.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if we come to learn Nicky Mac and her boyfriend Scott Forbes ‘work in concert’
And the pair of them appear to be on something
Wonder why killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother Corinne Mitchell decided to dispose of con-artist Sandra last year and choose this ‘dangerous clown’ ?
Sandra Lean - 27th June 2021
So to the statement I’m not gonna address the whole thing because there’s no need I think the message was fairly self evident erm I spoke with Luke the day before this statement was posted and a great deal of what was in the statement didn’t come up in that conversation at all and what did come up wasn’t discussed in the tone or the interpretation that the statement would suggest so yet it came as a little bit of a surprise to me as well the day after erm I’d had a conversation with Luke I knew decisions were being taken about the direction of the campaign but not anything like what was said in the statement
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
Hoaxer Sandra Lean has known for years what cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell is really all about - just like Stephanie Bon knew regarding the Hall family. As did people like Phoebe Grant.
Phoebe Grant on killer Simon Hall’s mother Lynne Hall - August 2009
You’re (sic) mother has always thought she was the victim in all of this. Always always. But I can’t believe she’s actually playing that card to you. Wrong and unforgivable
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Sandra Lean - 27th June 2021
So I’ve explained before the difference between what families want to do and what I in my professional capac capacity can do in these cases and I totally understand the anger and frustration that people experience when I say things like we can’t do this or we can’t say that or we can’t do it this way or the consequences if we do it that way will be I I fully fully understand that but it’s always conveyed with the best interests of the convicted person at heart both now and in the future and and that’s I’m continually thinking where will this go in 5 years 10 years or whatever
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
And it wasn’t about killer Luke Mitchell or any other killer, rapist or their family members
This was ALL about malignant narcissist Sandra Lean
And the only ‘professional capacity’ Sandra Lean has is that of a ‘professional’ con-artist and hoaxer!
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Sandra Lean - 27th June 2021
So I’ve explained before the difference between what families want to do and what I in my professional capac capacity can do in these cases and I totally understand the anger and frustration that people experience when I say things like we can’t do this or we can’t say that or we can’t do it this way or the consequences if we do it that way will be I I fully fully understand that but it’s always conveyed with the best interests of the convicted person at heart both now and in the future and and that’s I’m continually thinking where will this go in 5 years 10 years or whatever
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
What would the ‘consequences’ be Sandra Lean
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it is the MSP's who are being blasted
Journalist turned MSP Russell Findlay wrote the following http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1049.msg29979#msg29979
Russell Findlay also wrote and published an article headed “Miscarriages of justice charity stripped of lottery funding“ which suggested Mr Findlay had been in direct contact with Sandra Lean - or at least received a statement from her (either directly from her or passed on from her by someone else)
MOJO Scotland were - according to Sandra Lean - ‘giving people false hope’ ⬇️
2019
‘Dr Sandra Lean said it was "really exciting" when MOJO asked to get involved with Luke Mitchell case two years ago.
Mitchell was jailed for the 2003 murder of Jodi Jones, 14, but continues to protest his innocence.
Lean said: "It was really exciting news. It looked like the case was getting picked up again, it looked like there was going to be some real progress here."
However, last month Mitchell's mother Corinne blasted MOJO for "doing nothing" since taking on her son's case and recovered his case files from their office.
Lean told STV News: "Part of the problem was the promises being made were not being kept. The case review itself was something of a farce. There was no central strategy. There was no planned route to how this review was going to take place.
"The idea of having the Luke Mitchell case, this huge case on their books, was good publicity for them."
The campaigners say that the alleged failings may have harmed Mitchell's case.
Lean added: "I was going to say it's a disaster but if they're not doing the work, they're giving false hope to people and that, in the circumstances these people are in, that it shocking, that is dreadful.
Russell Findlay also wrote and published articles on psychopathic killers Joe Steeel and Thomas Campbell claiming they didn’t commit the crimes https://twitter.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1145689825447763968
Neither convicted killers ever proved their actual, factual innocence!
”Foolish Stuart Dempsey Follow’s Toxic Abuser Michelle Moore & ‘Balls Of Steel’ Scott Forbes..”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-foolish-stuart-dempsey-follows-toxic-abuser-michelle-moore-balls-of-steel-scott-forbes-part-113/
Russell Findlay also wrote and published the innocence fraud grift of David Wilson on Margaret McLaughlin’s killer George Beattie (the case/campaign has all the usual hallmarks/red flags)
As previously referred to in the post below
David Wilson - another grifter involved with the ‘innocence’ movement (‘friendly’ with Jerry Buting) has previously attempted to do this with a couple of cases, maybe more
David Wilson was involved in a TV show where he attempted to suggest another convicted killer was responsible for the murder of Carl Bridgewater
Carl Bridgewater’s killers had their conviction deemed ‘unsafe’ by the court of appeal
None of the 4 men ever cleared their names - regardless of what MSM reported
But the ‘innocence’ movement pretended otherwise, as did David Wilson
David Wilson has also written a book about Margaret McLaughlin‘s killer and apparently, according to Libby Brooks, the book claims David Wilson has ‘identified a more likely suspect in the killing’
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Russell Findlay possibly duped by David Wilson’s word play ?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/10/scottish-tory-msp-george-beattie-case-scotland
Lots of people can and do get sucked into the very real innocence fraud phenomenon grift - reasons vary
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/narcos-scotland-glasgow-ice-cream-24129341
And not all people who promote these innocence frauds are motivated by alleged altruism and honesty or because of their alleged knowledge on killers
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Specifically chosen it would seem to be the full-on voice of Mitchell in this full-blown smear campaign. Where piece by piece he is in fact exposing this farce yet simply too dim to see this it would seem. I feel Ms Lean is going to soon run out of "He is simply mistaken -------------"
Sandra Lean
‘We need men (and women) of independent mind. Thank you Scott Forbes - for never bowing to their tinsel show!!!’
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Sandra Lean
I just wanted to say a massive thank you to everyone who came along for yesterday's petition handover and vigil. It was amazing to meet everyone and to see all your posters and banners - you did Luke proud. It was a dignified, respectful event and a number of passing members of the public stopped to chat and find out more.
Thanks, too, to everyone who's shared and commented on social media - getting the word out to those who don't know yet is every bit as important!!!
Another huge milestone met and passed. We're getting there!!!
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The petition won’t make any difference. There’s been ‘no milestone’ met or ‘passed’
There won’t be an independent review
This isn’t about killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne
This is all about Sandra Lean (and to a lesser degree - Scott Forbes)
It’s about Sandra Lean’s ‘work’ - similar to Stephanie Bon’s ‘work’
People like Sandra Lean lie with ease. Stephanie Bon wasn’t much different;
Stephanie Bon - February 2013
My only interest in Simon’s case is and always has been to see justice be done for Mrs Albert
I feel that malicious gossip and bad press did not help Simon when he was first arrested and to replicate it on a website to help free him just doesn’t make sense to me
It is a shame that J4S had to be taken down as it had a lot of supportive messages from people to Simon as well as a lot of good press showing support and progress and also the turnaround of people’s opinion back then, despite the allegations made by mrs h, it did help Simon and brought attention to his case
I am disappointed that Simon didn’t feel he could share his latest revelation with me at the time I started J4S or during my work campaigning as I would definitely have advised him to seek the best advise and own up to the appropriate people as opposed to being speculated and gossiped about until it got leaked on a public forum
Despite mrs h’s allegations, Simon did not disclose this information to me as he well knows
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%EF%B8%8F/
Stephanie Bon didn’t care about Joan Albert. She didn’t know her and had never met her.
Stephanie Bon bare faced lied about killer Simon Hall’s ‘latest revelation’ (the Zenith burglary) - just like Sandra Lean lies about facts to do with killer Luke Mitchell and Corinne and Shane Mitchell
Sandra Lean’s behaviour resembles Stephanie Bon’s behaviour
Stephanie Bon - 4th February 2013
If you ask your husband, he will tell you that he brought 2 cd players to my house when we were going out after he had disappeared for a weekend and noone knew where he was. He’d been nicked for the night but this was way before Joan was murdered, nothing to do with the case, so do you want to add another robbing to the list? maybe he’s lying to you? My brother was there and other people saw them, I went mental and threw them out! You stupid cow, are you going to announce another f..k up of his publicly? Shall i? unlike you, its not Simon i want to damage, its you! (sic)
Sandra Lean’s abuse and attacks of JuJ’s are also all about Sandra Lean (See through in her last video)
Killer Simon Hall may have told Stephanie Bon ‘he’d been nicked for the night’ when he chose to commit his murder but if true, why did Stephanie Bon choose to keep this from Suffolk police during their investigation?
And why didn’t Stephanie Bon tell the police about the ‘2 cd players’ ?
People lie. Even during murder investigations. Motivations vary
But Sandra Lean’s abuse and attacks of the Jones/Walker family have been (and are) deplorable
Copy of chapter from Sandra Leans first discredited book
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/
The story about forensics not having been carried out before liar Lynne Hall went to look around the house was also concocted
As was the treading in glass nonsense
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Biffy Mackay (Today)
Has stocky man been named publicly??
Ellen Barclay
yes Scott forbes says more then Dr Sandra Lean book . .Dr Sandra Lean couldn't say in her book as we're Scott forbes can say more .think we should gave both books too scottish parliament library of they have one .
Does Ellen know the real reason why Sandra Lean didn’t say in her book
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Freddie Gren
It's difficult we can't say names on the group due to the rules
But they can post links ‘on the group’ where innocent names are used
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And the latest BS on an alleged knife blade
Did Sandra Lean write about this in her 2nd book?
Today - Edinburgh live
”Tom’s motor repair site at Newbattle Home Farm, Midlothian, was around 500 yards from where her mutilated body was found 19 years ago.
The car mechanic is now speaking out now after recently finding out the blade was not even submitted as evidence during the trial…
Speaking, to the Scottish Sun Tom said: “We had a skip for our scrap metal at the top of the farm buildings
Tom, who stays in nearby Mayfield, continued: “The next morning two vans and various cars were there when I came to open the garage.
“There were about ten officers, some in forensic suits, emptying the skip to try to find the broken tip.
“I read the brand name on the knife and checked online. I found an exact match, and it was very expensive.”
At the time, a field next to Tom’s garage was used by teenage mechanic apprentices for racing stock cars.
One of them, now a dad in his mid-30s, said: “We found a knife with blood on it in the skip. We were like, ‘What the f***.’ It was terrible.”
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Emma Johnston
Sandra Lean would that knife even be capable of Inflicting the injuries sustained...from what I have heard and watched wasn't it just a small knife???
Sandra Lean
Emma Johnston The knife of Luke's that they claimed was "missing" wouldn't have been able to inflict those injuries, no. But this knife - the one in the skip, is nothing like the one they used in court (claiming it to be missing). And yes, this knife WOULD be capable, quite definitely.
Psychopathic Killer Robin Garbutt disposed of the weapon he used to murder his wife Diana (while she was asleep) near to where he committed his murder.
The metal scrap heap is possibly where the weapon originated from, but when this killer attempted to throw it back over the wall, it landed on top of it instead of going over the wall and into the scrap metal heap on the other side
There are pictures of the wall in Neil Wilby’s blog - the scrap metal heap cannot be seen in the photos
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’Dr Truthseeker loses her moral compass’
https://neilwilby.com/2020/06/22/dr-truthseeker-loses-her-moral-compass/
Sandra Lean may have known this from Jane Metcalfe - who has been (and is being) groomed, conned and exploited by many people - including by Sandra Lean and Michael Naughton from Bristol uni
But she would certainly have gleaned tidbits and ideas from Neil Wilby’s blogs on Diana Garbutt’s killers crimes and innocence fraud
Latest on this psycho killer and innocence fraudster
”And in Melsonby, analysis of blood spatter found at a crime scene revealed the truth behind a husband’s lies.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001f8gg/ad/expert-witness-series-2-5-body-in-the-woods-and-murder-at-the-post-office
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Tom, who now works as a bathroom designer and fitter, has no connection with Mitchell, 34, apart from repairing his family’s car.
But he doesn’t believe the caged murderer killed Jodi.
He said: “Nobody placed any importance on that knife.
“When I learned it wasn’t documented, it raised my suspicions the police may have tried to conceal the discovery.”
What year did Tom Halliday claim to have repaired ‘the family’s car’?
And has Tom ever met Stuart Dempsey - who also fits bathrooms
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Pamela Wilson (Today)
6 hours ago (edited)
Maybe i missed something..but the guy that shaved his head so he didn't look like 'The killer' ...how did he know at that point what the killer looked like?..This case is just mental, poor Luke .
Scott Forbes
2 hours ago
Same guy scrapping moped, his mum and half sister burning clothes, he tells cops that Alice W told him not to go forward and then gets threatened by Judith and Alice with Joe and forced to leave Dalkieth.[/color
Transcript of Interview with James Matthews - SKY News on 3rd September 2003
JAMES MATTHEWS: This burning of clothes keeps getting mentioned and there is also the subject of a missing knife, is that your missing knife?
LUKE: No. The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes.
JAMES MATTHEWS: Was that you or anyone connected to you?
LUKE: No, not that we know of.
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Scott Forbes
1 month ago
Massive break through in this case: Headlines coming soon 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Scott Forbes
9 days ago
@D Xz I've been advised Monday. There had to be legal checks done. 🔪 🗡
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cyber nat
@Scott Forbes didnt sk state online that police took his clothes that night?
Scott Forbes
2 hours ago
@cyber nat again your spreading lies. Alice Walker washed SK clothes along with Jannies.
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(https://i.imgur.com/TpsfjaY.png)
So many things Lean claims keep getting contradicted by people who were actually there at the time...
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June 2019 - Edinburgh Live By Alan McEwen and Robert Fairnie - Digitel Journalist
The blade was discovered buried in a drystone dyke around 300 yards from the scene of the attack
Mitchell is planning to launch a new appeal against his conviction after a member of the public discovered the six-inch blade buried around 300 yards from the scene of the attack
A source told them that in 2015 a local man was digging next to a drystone dyke when they found the knife, with a dark brown wooden handle.
They added: "Stones had been moved from the dyke and put back on top of it. The man, who has no connection to the Mitchells or Joneses and is a local business owner, realised the potential significance.
"He picked it up with pliers and pit it in a freezer bag to preserve it before handing it in to Dalkeith police station . He told them it should be checked out due to the Jodi Jones murder.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/luke-mitchell-supporters-want-kitchen-16444615
300 yards now an alleged knife found 500 yards away
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Was the ‘source’ abusive fantasist Scott Forbes or hoaxer Sandra Lean
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Ron M
1 month ago
Scott Forbes you make the point of the horrific injuries that Jodi suffered
The 4 people in the circle and one is dead
This is just my thoughts those other
3 committed and or witness a murder
How did those 3 behave after the murder
I am lead to believe that they had no medical problems caused by that day or new medical issues that would explain something is wrong
This is leading me to believe that those 3 are dangerous with sign's of psychopathy
Their medical file's will prove this
If you Ken what I mean
Ron M
21 hours ago
After great amount of discussion
Those guys that I have spoke to
Have decided to go after those involved in Jodi's murder there are 5 men who were over that V at some point Not including Luke as he is not guilty and was set up
God have mercy on their soul🙏
#33 | Scott Forbes : I Can Prove Luke Mitchell Is Innocent
11,195 views · 1 month ago...more
Premeditated Patter
Has the bloke who runs that YouTube channel reported this and if not why not?
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Ron M
1 month ago
Scott Forbes you make the point of the horrific injuries that Jodi suffered
The 4 people in the circle and one is dead
This is just my thoughts those other
3 committed and or witness a murder
How did those 3 behave after the murder
I am lead to believe that they had no medical problems caused by that day or new medical issues that would explain something is wrong
This is leading me to believe that those 3 are dangerous with sign's of psychopathy
Their medical file's will prove this
If you Ken what I mean
Ron M
21 hours ago
After great amount of discussion
Those guys that I have spoke to
Have decided to go after those involved in Jodi's murder there are 5 men who were over that V at some point Not including Luke as he is not guilty and was set up
God have mercy on their soul🙏
#33 | Scott Forbes : I Can Prove Luke Mitchell Is Innocent
11,195 views · 1 month ago...more
Premeditated Patter
Has the bloke who runs that YouTube channel reported this and if not why not?
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Clearly it is Ron who has some series problems going on upstairs, and no surprise in the slightest that he supports the other one who is the same.
When I read that on You Tube - It spelt the following, an up the ante on the constant abuse from Mr Forbes with his playground behaviour, as with yourself, every poster is applied as being one of the 'others' not to be listened to. I believe I have been JH, someone in the police, but above all someone who appears to be downing buckets of vodka by the minute, whilst on 'mushrooms?' The usual - Cannot prove what is being said around the actual evidence to be wrong, so Mr Forbes simply attacks constantly. He has absolutely no intellectual skills to discuss and debate.
So, this threat of sorts, a 'wee' message from the four corners of 'Glesgi' perhaps. To try and silence the discussion. - The reversal of course of 'There will be those who oppose the truth' to those who are lying constantly being exposed. A poster on the Blue Forum stopped for a while for he had been threatened, such is the level of thugs involved in Mitchell's pleas of innocence. As of course was JH herself. The main support and not of course those who are intelligent enough to have their doubts around realistic areas. Who do not jump from 'guilty by media' to 'Innocence by the same means' to 'Joining in with the smear-campaign'
Dim and dimmer still. I put up what came directly from the Mitchell's, and he applies it as being "drivel" I put up further information, which as you know, some was 'gleamed' from Ms Lean, and he applies "Where are you getting this -----------?" from. For a male who claims to have studied case papers forever, he knows virtually nothing of the actual case itself, of LM V HMA. But alas and is clear, Mr Forbes role is not around LM V HMA, is it?
Mr Forbes takes the bog standard, someone said something as being the only truth, that the actual words were spoken (that is the truth part), and transforms these into something that belongs in a very bad sci fi story!
The knife in the skip, class is it not? - That the police did nothing, just send in a forensic team to rake through a skip looking for the tip. It did not form part of the trial is the astonishment of the male who had the skip? That will be because it was NOT evidence, yielding nothing of any value. But alas and sadly, he has fallen into that fantasy of the police doing nothing with what was not "vital evidence" - The, they only had lies for Luke saga, because they take at face value those promoting a convicted killer as innocent, without being able to prove this at all.
It is a threat still the same - Incited by the disinformation, manipulation and blatant lies of course. But should anything happen to these innocent people - There will be no responsibility taken on board from those promoting the lies--------------
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Clearly it is Ron who has some series problems going on upstairs, and no surprise in the slightest that he supports the other one who is the same.
When I read that on You Tube
Does this bloke not keep an eye on what’s going on with his channel and the comments being made or is he also part of the problem?
https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1594789010148294656
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When I read that on You Tube - It spelt the following, an up the ante on the constant abuse from Mr Forbes with his playground behaviour, as with yourself, every poster is applied as being one of the 'others' not to be listened to. I believe I have been JH, someone in the police, but above all someone who appears to be downing buckets of vodka by the minute, whilst on 'mushrooms?' The usual - Cannot prove what is being said around the actual evidence to be wrong, so Mr Forbes simply attacks constantly. He has absolutely no intellectual skills to discuss and debate.
Chosen by killer Luke Mitchell and his abusive, lying mother Corinne Mitchell
Would be interested to know how often the killer and Scott Forbes speak to one another/prison visits etc - same applies to Corinne
And what exactly is coming directly from the pair of them and repeated by Forbes
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So, this threat of sorts, a 'wee' message from the four corners of 'Glesgi' perhaps. To try and silence the discussion. -
Wasn’t it the brother (Johnny Boy 🤦♀️) of one of the psychopathic killers of James Doyle (53) his daughter Christina Halleron (25) Christina’s 18-month-old son Mark and three of Mr Doyle's sons, James (23) Andrew (18) and Tony (14) who put James English in contact with Sandra Lean or Corinne Mitchell?
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The reversal of course of 'There will be those who oppose the truth' to those who are lying constantly being exposed. A poster on the Blue Forum stopped for a while for he had been threatened, such is the level of thugs involved in Mitchell's pleas of innocence. As of course was JH herself. The main support and not of course those who are intelligent enough to have their doubts around realistic areas. Who do not jump from 'guilty by media' to 'Innocence by the same means' to 'Joining in with the smear-campaign'
Dim and dimmer still. I put up what came directly from the Mitchell's, and he applies it as being "drivel" I put up further information, which as you know, some was 'gleamed' from Ms Lean, and he applies "Where are you getting this -----------?" from. For a male who claims to have studied case papers forever, he knows virtually nothing of the actual case itself, of LM V HMA. But alas and is clear, Mr Forbes role is not around LM V HMA, is it?
Scott Forbes is a total moron - as is his girlfriend Nicky Mac (they’ll be a blog on her at some point)
Doubt he’ll be aware of what some us heard/read regarding the Mitchell’s and the things said over the years
Corinne Mitchell was (& is) a liability, as Sandra Lean was well aware of - as was unconvicted child killer Billy Middelton
Forbes appears to be in self destruct mode - although he put on a different face for Russell Findlay and those cameras
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Mr Forbes takes the bog standard, someone said something as being the only truth, that the actual words were spoken (that is the truth part), and transforms these into something that belongs in a very bad sci fi story!
He also appears extremely paranoid as does his girlfriend Nicky Mac
Notice too how pretend ‘criminologist’ Sandra Lean appears to feed into his BS also the ‘sci fi’ stories began with the Mitchell’s and Colin Bowman/Sandra Lean
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The knife in the skip, class is it not? - That the police did nothing, just send in a forensic team to rake through a skip looking for the tip. It did not form part of the trial is the astonishment of the male who had the skip? That will be because it was NOT evidence, yielding nothing of any value. But alas and sadly, he has fallen into that fantasy of the police doing nothing with what was not "vital evidence"
‘Fallen into that fantasy’ or always been in that fantasy?
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It is a threat still the same
There will be no responsibility taken on board
Like Corinne Mitchell and her ‘out of control’ killer son Luke Mitchell
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Like Corinne Mitchell and her ‘out of control’ killer son Luke Mitchell
Ana Azaria
Hi Nicola, I'm copying and pasting a previous response from Dr Sandra Lean on this topic, because she explains it better than me - "The age of criminal responsibility in Scotland was 8 in 2003, but the age at which they could be taken to court was 12. Children under 16 could only be taken to court on the instructions of the Lord Advocate. However, children aged 12 - 15 who are accused of committing crimes should be referred to the children's panel as "children in need" (According to ScotGov Child Protection Policy).
Therefore, we can only conclude that there was a direct intervention by the Lord Advocate to divert this case away from all of the child protection policy in existence, in order for Luke to be tried as an adult.
Another consequence of this move was sentencing - Luke no longer had the protection of sentencing restrictions which would have been in place had he been treated as he should have been - a 15 year old accused of a serious crime, rather than a 16 year old - and therefore, he could be subjected to the harshest of ADULT sentences - and he was."
Nicola
Ana Azaria thank you! Our justice system makes me feel sad. Taking a 15 year old to trial as an adult. It's just so bad. Was LM imprisoned in an adult prison? They must have had him on remand and then jailed after the verdict all of which was adult prison and not juvenile until he was legally an adult. Those two 10 year olds were released at 18 having served only 8 years for murder. They should have been put in adult prison but I digress. They're not the topic of the group
Whether this was the case or not - thanks to pretend ‘criminologist’ Sandra Lean many of the people who have been taken in by her nonsense possibly won’t recognise the red flags to look out for when their own partners or children start behaving like killer Luke Mitchell did
And if anyone did intervene it was because they recognised this ‘out of control’ teen killer was (and is) a dangerous psychopath
Wonder if Nicola would feel the same if killer Luke Mitchell did the same to someone she loved as what he did to [Name removed]
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but above all someone who appears to be downing buckets of vodka by the minute, whilst on 'mushrooms?'
Does he think that squash bottle masks what’s in the bottle?
Do they grow lots of ‘mushrooms’ where he’s from?
Wonder if his medical records show he’s been prescribed methadone?
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‘ Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side.…’ ~ John Wolfgang Goethe
Sandra Lean
This, my good people, is why we have to keep on doing, every hour of every day, what we do. Repeat truth. Sounds easy - it's one of the hardest things you'll ever be called upon to do.
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People really need to steer clear of this toxic, abusive, manipulative hoaxer and her ‘ramble f..kery’
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg390752.html?PHPSESSID=g3ao496973c7bl9a3sto7un7v4#msg390752
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It's interesting how one simply keeps on turning things on to others.
Scott Forbes
9 hours ago
Same guy scrapping moped, his mum and half sister burning clothes, he tells cops that Alice W told him not to go forward and then gets threatened by Judith and Alice with Joe and forced to leave Dalkieth.
In reality
Suspect they scrapped the knives and other bike
We know they were burning something in the garden - clothing more than likely
Suspect Corinne Mitchell was the one to tell her older son Shane Mitchell ‘not to go forward’ and it was Corinne who ‘threatened’ Shane and why ‘he was forced to leave Dalkeith’
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Michael Taylor https://www.facebook.com/michael.taylor123
Innocence Fraud why you trying to shove your opinion down my throat? I don't give a toss what your opinion is as it's clear from just reading one of your blogs you will do/say anything to detract anyone from knowing the truth.
So who are you? Who you trying to protect? Are you the killer or know the killer?
Lengths that family has went too to try hide the truth is unreal. Must be hurting knowing the walls are crumbling down slowly around you.
You seen this 👆🏽 Sandra Lean
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Sandra Lean - 27th June 2021
So to the statement I’m not gonna address the whole thing because there’s no need I think the message was fairly self evident erm I spoke with Luke the day before this statement was posted and a great deal of what was in the statement didn’t come up in that conversation at all and what did come up wasn’t discussed in the tone or the interpretation that the statement would suggest so yet it came as a little bit of a surprise to me as well the day after erm I’d had a conversation with Luke I knew decisions were being taken about the direction of the campaign but not anything like what was said in the statement
When the mask slips…
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Michael Taylor https://www.facebook.com/michael.taylor123
Innocence Fraud why you trying to shove your opinion down my throat? I don't give a toss what your opinion is as it's clear from just reading one of your blogs you will do/say anything to detract anyone from knowing the truth.
So who are you? Who you trying to protect? Are you the killer or know the killer?
Lengths that family has went too to try hide the truth is unreal. Must be hurting knowing the walls are crumbling down slowly around you.
You seen this 👆🏽 Sandra Lean
Michael Taylor
Hope this is allowed. I've already spoken with Sandra about it so she knows/is aware.
Good chance there is a 3rd witness who reported a stalky man with a rucksack on day of murder. This was reported as police did door to door checks/questioning in the area.
Hopefully more start speaking up leaving no choice but to review everything.
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Liar and con-artist Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book is still being sold
A copy of her Chapter 5, where she promotes actually, factually guilty killer Simon Hall and the innocence fraud can again be found here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/
More to follow
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean 1st discredited book ‘No Smoke’ - which is still being sold
“The spectre of ‘trial by media’ is by no means a figment of the imagination - in some of the cases highlighted in this book, media coverage bordering on hysteria has undoubtedly impacted negatively on the whole legal proceedings
“The determination in the media to maintain guilt where innocence has been proven
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No Sandra Lean psychopathic killer Sion Jenkins didn’t prove his innocence!
He received a ‘not guilty’ verdict ergo he was found ‘not guilty’
At no time has the killer of Billie Jo Jenkins (Sion Jenkins) ever proved his innocence Sandra!
“Within literally weeks of each other, Sion Jenkins and Michael O’Brien have both launched books about their wrongful convictions, and the dreadful experiences they have both had to endure and overcome.
Neither of these killers ever proved their actual, factual innocence Sandra Lean
https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/previous-blog/
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Sandra Lean spoke about killer Luke Mitchell’s enmeshed and emotionally incestuous relationship with his adoptee mother Corinne Mitchell in early 2014 - just after Joan Albert’s killer committed suicide
Killer Simon Hall also had an enmeshed, emotionally incestuous relationship with his adoptive mother Lynne Hall
Witnessed by many people over the years
Corinne Mitchell’s was apparent during that 2003 Sky TV interview - where Corinne was seen tickling the back of her sexually active 15 year old sons ear.
Emotional or covert incest is a form of abuse where parents treat their children like a romantic partner. These parents expect their children to meet their needs in a way that another adult should
Emotional incest, also known as covert incest, is a type of emotional parental abuse. In cases of emotional incest, parents rely on their children for significant emotional support, which is a reversal of roles. Emotional incest is more than just relying on your kids on occasion, rather, it is an extreme dependence on them.
Parents who commit emotional incest treat their children like a spouse or close friend, rather than a child. These parents turn to their children for comfort, love, advice, support, and in some cases, even romance. The emotionally incestuous parent is unable to provide for their child’s needs and does not give them the support and nurturance that they need. The child essentially becomes like a parent or spouse, which is usually more than they can handle.
Parents who commit emotional incest often lack their own healthy support systems. They may be single, divorced, or in an unhappy marriage. Families may be dealing with addiction or mental illness.
Adults may be more likely to engage in emotional incest when:
*They have experienced emotional incest themselves.
* They lack good role models and knowledge of how to parent a child in a healthy way.
* Parents are divorced. Single-parent and stepparent families are at greater risk for emotional incest.
* One parent struggles with mental illness or addiction. The parent who is not mentally ill or addicted may form an unhealthy bond with the child to try to help the mentally ill or addicted parent.
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/emotional-incest/
Corinne Mitchell was(is) an adoptee, single, divorced and according to Sandra Lean dependent on alcohol and apparently smoked cannabis
There is no doubt Corinne Mitchell had(has) a mental illness-and/or personality disorder
Alexis Tracey
1 month ago
See all that about luke sleeping with his mum , see if any of my 3 boys at 14 go through something as traumatic as finding thier gf dead and being targeted by the press and they are so upset they want to crawl in beside mumma and cry and be a vulnerable FOURTEEN YEAR OLD CHILD then my baby boy can do that and if anyone finds that creepy SEEK HELP YOU ARE THE SICK ONE!!!! My babies will be my babies when they're 30yr old men and if they need comfort from their mum then il hug them till they ask me to stop.
There was no evidence killer Luke Mitchell was traumatised
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Sandra Lean
‘We need men (and women) of independent mind. Thank you Scott Forbes - for never bowing to their tinsel show!!!’
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Scott Forbes
1 month ago
@OurWilliam Jane H wasn't at trial but the public believed what she presented in the Daily Rec 👍
Jane Hamilton didn’t work for the daily record at that time
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Michael Taylor
Hope this is allowed. I've already spoken with Sandra about it so she knows/is aware.
Good chance there is a 3rd witness who reported a stalky man with a rucksack on day of murder. This was reported as police did door to door checks/questioning in the area.
Hopefully more start speaking up leaving no choice but to review everything.
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if there are a lot more than 3 fantasists who’ve contacted charlatan Sandra Lean pretending to have seen some thing they didn’t
and people like Scott Forbes making things up for attention
Over 19 years and he’s still making things up for attention
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James English podcast with liar Corinne Mitchell displays a photograph of a fire and caravans - at around 16:00 - that’s not Scott’s Caravans is it
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Peter Parkinson
3 years ago
Ms MItchel it would appear that you're being, let us say - somewhat economical with very little truth? You mention this joint theory yet your partner in fighting for Luke's innocence does not agree with you. This fanatical theory of scrapyards by yourself and Sandra is thwarted by Ms Lean herself with this response, when I passed comment on it, on a forum discussing this case. "First of all, did you check that this was, in fact a "joint theory?" It isn't" and complete denial with this "I have never discussed the bike "along with a knife, bloody clothing" being put in a van". Do you feel it is just therefore, to publicly disperse unjust, indirect blame upon these two males?
The same can also be said upon this alibi of SK, you are more than aware that this innocent male also, was also alibied by his father. That you have known about this in surety since the failed attempt to the SCCRC, when it was clearly pointed out to both yourself and Ms Lean, several years ago.
That your son most definitely did wear jackets, he was wearing one on the 30th of June 2003 in the height of summer, also throughout this summer after purchasing a new Parka, hardly evidence of this difficulty in getting him to wear one.
You, as Ms Lean also states, are 100% wrong, in that this search trio did NOT HAVE to walk passed YW's on their way to Roansdyke path, it would have taken them in another direction altogether. That is four areas, the theory, the jacket, the alibi and the search trio which are not correct. We can add on the evidence of one of Luke's friends who DID give evidence at this trial along with several more. The question here therefore is, why? Why if there is clear proof of Luke's innocence, would one need to do this?
Finally this confession and mystery male - are NOT one and the same, also clearly shown by Ms Lean.
And yet, you would wish the public to believe that you may be speaking the truth around other crucial evidence?
Strongly suspect Sandra Lean did discuss this ‘theory’ with Corinne Mitchell
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Strongly suspect Sandra Lean did discuss this ‘theory’ with Corinne Mitchell
Sandra Lean lies
“First of all, did you check that this was, in fact a "joint theory?" It isn't"
Where is the evidence it wasn’t a ‘joint theory’ ?
“I have never discussed the bike "along with a knife, bloody clothing" being put in a van"
Was she referring to killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing bike?
'of taking a bike, a knife and clothing, chucking it into the back of a van in a scrapyard and hey presto it is gone'
'Gordo' spoke of this theory, of the convenience of having a scrapyard to hand? I have asked this question before, what profession does SM have - mechanic?! Is this what happened to some of the evidence in the LM case?, was it taken to a scrapyard? and disposed of. I thought it rather odd that CM and Ms Lean should come up with such a theory, perhaps it is based on truth closer to home?
Sandra Lean - 2017
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
The police were running around asking all and sundry what they knew about Luke and push bikes. In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes. An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another. GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes. The police took Luke's bike (flat tyres and all) from the wall of the garage at his home for testing. AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house - JF said it was a rubbish bike, he'd chained it to the railings at the local college and left it there. GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day. JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
The police were investigating Sandra Lean not ‘running around’ like tweedledee and tweedledum from the Channel 5 TV show, pretending they didn’t know innocent Mark Kane was dead - like a couple of fraudster that they are
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Was that garage owner ever arrested during the police investigation ?
We’ve only ever heard of the killer Luke Mitchell and Shane and Corinne Mitchell’s arrest but suspect there were more like in the case of killer Simon Hall
Liars Lynne and Phil Hall gave their witness statements from a police station (different police station to Jamie Barker) on the same day as their adoptive killer sons arrest
It was only ever reported that killer Simon Hall was arrested but other arrest were most definateley made
Jamie Barker was arrested same day, as was Shaun Hall and Phoebe Grant
Although can’t be certain Shaun Hall and Phoebe Grant were arrested but they were definitely taken to a police station on the same day as killer Simon Hall (albeit to a different police station) where they made statements
Phoebe Grant and Shaun Hall were in the house when the police ‘raided’ Hill House Road early morning of the 25th July 2003
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What did the garage owner/mechanic say about push bikes and Shane Mitchell ?
The police were running around asking all and sundry what they knew about Luke and push bikes. In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes.
Scott Forbes
3 hours ago
@Tropical Sunshine we aren't sure if tip was found. The knife has 'disappeared' although swabs were taken but never tested. The thing that got me was mechanics had special knowledge of Jodi injuries and police bullied a 14yr old witness to the knife
Is he referring to Shane Mitchell
Was it Shane Mitchell with the ‘special knowledge’
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Was that garage owner ever arrested during the police investigation ?
We’ve only ever heard of the killer Luke Mitchell and Shane and Corinne Mitchell’s arrest but suspect there were more like in the case of killer Simon Hall
Liars Lynne and Phil Hall gave their witness statements from a police station (different police station to Jamie Barker) on the same day as their adoptive killer sons arrest
It was only ever reported that killer Simon Hall was arrested but other arrest were most definateley made
Jamie Barker was arrested same day, as was Shaun Hall and Phoebe Grant
Although can’t be certain Shaun Hall and Phoebe Grant were arrested but they were definitely taken to a police station on the same day as killer Simon Hall (albeit to a different police station) where they made statements
Phoebe Grant and Shaun Hall were in the house when the police ‘raided’ Hill House Road early morning of the 25th July 2003
Liar Sandra Lean didn’t include any of this in her first discredited book - which is still for sale
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Doesn’t one of Sandra Lean’s daughters have a link to stock cars ?
Tom, who stays in nearby Mayfield, continued: “The next morning two vans and various cars were there when I came to open the garage.
“There were about ten officers, some in forensic suits, emptying the skip to try to find the broken tip.
“I read the brand name on the knife and checked online. I found an exact match, and it was very expensive.”
At the time, a field next to Tom’s garage was used by teenage mechanic apprentices for racing stock cars.
One of them, now a dad in his mid-30s, said: “We found a knife with blood on it in the skip. We were like, ‘What the f***.’ It was terrible.”
Scott Forbes
4 hours ago (edited)
@Tropical Sunshine Kelly was a regular. They were used by all lads into stock cars. If you weren't familiar with the garage's (4 workshops) you wouldn't know of the skip as it's not visible from the road
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“Somehow that story got transferred over onto the Mitchell family”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7OVE_5L7Y
Con-artist Sandra Lean on the burning of the clothes in the back garden
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Killer Luke Mitchell told the police on the 1st July 2003 his mother Corinne Mitchell and brother Shane Mitchell were burning stuff in the garden that night
Nothing got ‘transferred’ regarding the fires in back gardens that night
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell attempted to transfer this during their staged Sky TV interview
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7OVE_5L7Y
“Go check it out for yourself make up your own mind”
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Con-artist Sandra Lean wasn’t privy to the police investigation
She didn’t sit through each and every day of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Her last podcast was quite something and said much more about her than anyone she was talking about
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What is it gouger Sandra Lean says about the Sun
Scott Forbes
13 days ago
@Val Young Monday a major story is going to break in a tabliod. Wed we are in Parliament with a petition with 25000+ signatures and today, we got a massive legal breakthrough, that for now has to stay of line.....but we are getting there!!!
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Tricia Morrison
Can I ask a question please?
I’ve read all the books and watched all the videos. Been following this for a long time.
Was Luke ever asked if he seen anyone suspicious hanging around or did he see the moped boys, stocky man, 2 youths at the entrance? .
Has he made comment since his conviction about anyone he seen who might have been mistaken for him?
Sandra Lean
Tricia Morrison By the August 14th interrogation, they weren't really "asking" Luke anything, they were simply ramming their "theories" down his throat, trying to get him to "accept" what they said as true.
Since Luke insisted he was at home until about 5.30, cooking and eating dinner, he couldn't have seen the moped boys, stocky man or the couple at the same time the other witnesses saw them (all, apparently between 4.50 and 5.05 - only the moped, minus the riders, was seen at 5.15pm). They were all seen at the Easthouses end of the path - again, Luke didn't leave Newbattle ubtil he went out looking for Jodi at around 10.50pm.
so they didn't ask him (a) because they were too busy telling him he was Jodi's murderer and (b) because it never occurred to them that, if Jodi was heading from Easthouses to Newbattle, there was at least a possibility that the others might be too!
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Sandra Lean (2 days ago)
Jim Nelson I've been criticised for years for putting the word "investigation" in inverted commas, because my stance has always been that there was NO investigation into Jodi's murder - ZERO. From the off, they set out to build a case that would end in a conviction, truth and justice be damned. I believe now, after almost 20 years, that belief is fully supported - there was no investigation.
Jim Nelson
Sandra Lean grest words sandra.
You have been proven right.
We are all ready and willing and up for the fight.you never know we might get some whistle blowers coming forward .there surely must be somebody out there who knows stuff that can help luke mitchell achieve an independent review.
Sandra Lean
Jim Nelson There has to be, Jim. Too many people ignored, statements not taken, evidence followed up - we already have other statements about some utterly shocking "ommissions" because the evidence of those people didn't fit with the "official narrative" - maybe now that one person has spoken out, the others will feel empowered to do the same?
Jim Nelson
Sandra Lean what action can be taken sandra about this knife..Luke's old defence DF he should be interested in this.. he will prob be gagged...can a private injunction be taken out against police.even the publicity would be good
Sandra Lean
Jim Nelson Sorry, Jim, I can't comment on that just at the moment - I'll update when I can!!!.
Were these people who were allegedly ignored like warped minded fantasist Scott Forbes by any chance
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Something else con-artist Sandra Lean omits to mention about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell - his self harming
https://twitter.com/smidgensofme/status/1595836504085041152
Muhammad Saeed
@smidgensofme
@dodiblack1
thought you may be interested.
6:03 PM · Nov 24, 2022
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https://twitter.com/smidgensofme/status/1595840446961426433
Dodiblack
@dodiblack1
Aye because they knew she wasn't "missing" they were on thier way to set up a 14yr old innocent laddie. Jones family,police and whoever else involved must be held accountable #miscarriageofjustice #lukeisinnocent
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WeKnowTheyKnow
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
31 Oct
"We weren't going all the way to Newbattle, we were only going to the path..." Janine said on the stand in front of the jury. Luke Mitchell's trial should have been stopped right there. One of the main pillars for conviction obliterated by a Jones. #miscarriageofjustice
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6:52 pm · 6 Nov 2022
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https://twitter.com/dodiblack1/status/1589329887521026048
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“My actual name is Muhammad Saeed and I’m from Scotland. I have over time, for personal reasons and out of interest grown a stronger and stronger fascination with injustices within the criminal justice system and human rights abuses outwith it too.
I have always had a fondness for writing although never finished school. I went on to study social sciences at college, however felt like it was a field where a lot of head banging was done and no real progress is made, I completed the course nonetheless and have been in various forms of employment and continued to study further throughout the years.
I’m now studying LLB Law in Edinburgh and decided I’d start writing on the issues which matter to me, issues that may be of help to others one day, both on a personal level and on a professional level too for those in the legal industry. I will write on anything relating to the aforementioned areas that I feel passionate enough about and hope to continue to grow the site over time to maybe include podcasts at some point.
Well, where do I begin?
From the first time I met and spoke to him, when I was sent to work in the prison laundry area, I thought ‘there’s something odd about him’, but you’d think that too when someone has cigarette burns all down their arms. I’m not talking just one or two burns; I’m talking dozens upon dozens. At 17 years old that’s not something I was used to seeing. It was only natural that my first question to him would be “what’s wrong with your arm?”
To which he replied something I’ll never forget even to this day “they’re rollie [rolled up cigarette] burns, the pain reminds me that I’m still alive…” Now, I didn’t understand what he meant back then but I can now see that this was still a teenager, a teenager like me, but a teenager that felt dead to the world.
“In my many chats with Luke, I occasionally questioned him about his innocence, I remember asking him specifically if he had actually done it on a couple of occasions, and I remember every time he would mention the word “they”. Now, I’m not saying there was more than one person directly involved in the murder, but on one occasion, I very clearly remember him saying “Do you think I’d do that to her? Look at what they had done to her?” When I asked him who? He just looked like the soul had been ripped out of him and he wanted to cry. And that’s when you know it’s best not to ask any further questions and just get on with your work.
He told me to really investigate his case when I got out, and I did. So, you can imagine my shock at reading that an FBI profiler felt there was more than one person involved. This was new information to me; I hadn’t seen this on the news; it wasn’t plastered on the newspapers. Luke himself didn’t even tell me this.
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UPDATED Part 106
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-abuse-by-a-proxy-malignant-narcissist-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-part-107/
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Latest on this psycho killer and innocence fraudster
”And in Melsonby, analysis of blood spatter found at a crime scene revealed the truth behind a husband’s lies.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001f8gg/ad/expert-witness-series-2-5-body-in-the-woods-and-murder-at-the-post-office
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-63734048
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Something else con-artist Sandra Lean omits to mention about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell - his self harming
“From the first time I met and spoke to him, when I was sent to work in the prison laundry area, I thought ‘there’s something odd about him’, but you’d think that too when someone has cigarette burns all down their arms. I’m not talking just one or two burns; I’m talking dozens upon dozens.
What were the cause of the injuries on killer Luke Mitchell’s shins and did photographs taken on the 1st of July 2003 evidence scars from self harming?
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What age was killer Luke Mitchell when he started collecting knives?
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Sandra Lean
I love podcasters who really do their homework. This is the new series from Naomi Channel about the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence. Have a listen - in these days of fake news and mainstream BS,we need to support those who seek to bring us the truth with integrity!!
There was a reason why malignant narcissist and manipulator Sandra Lean posted this
Naomi Channel is apparently doing a 6 part podcast on the killers innocence fraud
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Sandra Lean
I love podcasters who really do their homework. This is the new series from Naomi Channel about the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence. Have a listen - in these days of fake news and mainstream BS,we need to support those who seek to bring us the truth with integrity!!
There was a reason why malignant narcissist and manipulator Sandra Lean posted this
Naomi Channel is apparently doing a 6 part podcast on the killers innocence fraud
Part 133 Deluded Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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“My actual name is Muhammad Saeed and I’m from Scotland. I have over time, for personal reasons and out of interest grown a stronger and stronger fascination with injustices within the criminal justice system and human rights abuses outwith it too.
I have always had a fondness for writing although never finished school. I went on to study social sciences at college, however felt like it was a field where a lot of head banging was done and no real progress is made, I completed the course nonetheless and have been in various forms of employment and continued to study further throughout the years.
I’m now studying LLB Law in Edinburgh and decided I’d start writing on the issues which matter to me, issues that may be of help to others one day, both on a personal level and on a professional level too for those in the legal industry. I will write on anything relating to the aforementioned areas that I feel passionate enough about and hope to continue to grow the site over time to maybe include podcasts at some point.
Well, where do I begin?
From the first time I met and spoke to him, when I was sent to work in the prison laundry area, I thought ‘there’s something odd about him’, but you’d think that too when someone has cigarette burns all down their arms. I’m not talking just one or two burns; I’m talking dozens upon dozens. At 17 years old that’s not something I was used to seeing. It was only natural that my first question to him would be “what’s wrong with your arm?”
To which he replied something I’ll never forget even to this day “they’re rollie [rolled up cigarette] burns, the pain reminds me that I’m still alive…” Now, I didn’t understand what he meant back then but I can now see that this was still a teenager, a teenager like me, but a teenager that felt dead to the world.
“In my many chats with Luke, I occasionally questioned him about his innocence, I remember asking him specifically if he had actually done it on a couple of occasions, and I remember every time he would mention the word “they”. Now, I’m not saying there was more than one person directly involved in the murder, but on one occasion, I very clearly remember him saying “Do you think I’d do that to her? Look at what they had done to her?” When I asked him who? He just looked like the soul had been ripped out of him and he wanted to cry. And that’s when you know it’s best not to ask any further questions and just get on with your work.
He told me to really investigate his case when I got out, and I did. So, you can imagine my shock at reading that an FBI profiler felt there was more than one person involved. This was new information to me; I hadn’t seen this on the news; it wasn’t plastered on the newspapers. Luke himself didn’t even tell me this.
Muhammad Saeed
@smidgensofme
Replying to
@cyberstroller22
The fact there were so many inconsistencies, I feel like I have to speak out. It’s a conviction of “could’ve beens” with no real certainties other than the ones that say it wasn’t him, like the lie detector and the profiler and force that must’ve been used, he wasn’t capable.
2:52 PM · Nov 25, 2022
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Muhammad Saeed
@smidgensofme
Replying to
@cyberstroller22
I don’t know about details like that and hope an independent investigation can be done to settle this once and for all. I’ve spent time in prison in London, Wales, Liverpool & Scotland and I believe I know when someone hasn’t been treated fairly by the justice system. He wasn’t.
3:07 PM · Nov 25, 2022
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This regarding the knife that was already tested https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/23/ukcrime.kirstyscott
Sacred Weeds
@sacred_weeds
Replying to
@SandraLean5
Why has it taken almost 20 years to come forward?
12:04 am · 22 Nov 2022
·Twitter for Android
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Replying to
@sacred_weeds
Like everyone else, he thought it had been tested and ruled out. We, on the other hand, knew nothing about it because it was not logged in the files.
8:03 am · 23 Nov 2022
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What a con artist
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Part 133 Deluded Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
Naomi Channell has set her trailer video to ‘private’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RhgrzpU_Bg&noapp=1
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Part 133 Deluded Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
[Name removed] reduced to ‘Through the wall”
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What about finding out what happened to killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing bike Naomi Channell
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UPDATED Part 133
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
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UPDATED Part 130 Latest On Tom Halliday, Pathetic ‘Mr Big’ Ronnie Mothersole & Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/21/killer-luke-mitchell-latest-on-tom-halliday-mr-big-ron-m/
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Ana Azaria
(Edit: This is an updated version of todays post with some amendments, we just wanted to clarify some details)
Remember, remember…Luke’s trial started in November.
During the trial the prosecution used certain aspects of Luke’s life to portray a ‘bad character’ and twisted and stretched anything to back up a bad character including using a visit to a tattoo shop for a tattoo on Luke on October after the murder, no relation to the time of Jodi’s murder. Luke’s mum accompanied Luke to get a tattoo while he was underage. A tattoo artist from the shop said that a fake ID had been produced along with a form stating that Luke was old enough to receive a tattoo. This was put to the jury to demonstrate his mum CM was capable of lying and covering up for Luke along with Luke’s older brother SM. However, the shop were unable to provide a copy of said photographic ID (it is a known practice for tattoo shops to keep photocopies of ID's to cover themselves in the event that someone is underage). The name given from the fake ID was actually a man in his late 50's who said that neither Luke or his mum had had access to his identification documents. It was never questioned why, if such an ID had been presented, the tattoo shop would have accepted a photographic ID of a much older man.
This being put to the jury was in no way at all related to what happened to Jodi and the judge explicitly told the jury that this evidence was being led in order to discredit CM. Later in the trial the charges against both SM and CM were dropped without the jury knowing this.
The jury are told this tattoo was a satanic kind, and dark. The tattoo apprentice witness goes on to say the tattoo that Luke got was similar to the one she had, which she described as ‘not quite demonic…but it’s dark art’. The use of these sorts of words are going to stay with the jury, Lots of negative and sinister words being linked to Luke.
With no direct evidence to link Luke to Jodi’s murder the use of a fingerprint expert was brought in in relation to Luke’s visit to the tattoo shop. They brought a Senior Fingerprint Expert to match Luke’s fingerprint on the consent form. When thinking about the murder case as a whole and the amount of testing (lack of) and the lack of care and respect for Jodi’s body after the murder, the importance of a fingerprint expert used for this purpose in the case is pretty far-fetched and not at all significant in proving Luke murdered Jodi in any way.
Justice should be about truth, not false representation. It Is fundamental for the rule of law that judges are not influenced by irrelevant circumstances.
This 👆🏽is pathetic and so out of context!
Con- artist Sandra Lean didn’t attend Killer Luke Mitchell’s trial and didn’t hear the 42 days worth of evidence against sadistic and dangerous killer Luke Mitchell.
There is no mention of adoptee Corinne Mitchell’s mental health and/or personality disorder
Cherry picking one aspect of the evidence doesn’t paint the clear and full picture - possibly why some of these people cannot recognise they are being duped
“This was put to the jury to demonstrate his mum CM was capable of lying and covering up for Luke along with Luke’s older brother SM”
What about the fact the ‘cool and confident’ killer was underage when he had the tattoo and that his mother Corinne Mitchell was treating her teenage son as an adult, like when he purchased an over 18 DVD two days after his murder
And like when his mother purchased him a replacement knife for Christmas
“Corinne Mitchell, 45, admitted she had been surprised to learn son Luke carried knives and smoked cannabis”
Callous and cruel Corinne Mitchell wasn’t surprised her killer son carried knives - she knew - she bought them for him!
“Later in the trial the charges against both SM and CM were dropped without the jury knowing this”
It wasn’t until ‘later’ in the trial that liars Shane and Corinne Mitchell were called to give evidence
Corrine Mitchell wasn’t called until the following year - 15th of January 2005!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4171943.stm
Shane Mitchell “said his memory had been affected after a problem with drugs a few years ago”
Did liar Corinne Mitchell tell Shane Mitchell to pretend his memory was affected because of ‘a problem with drugs a few years earlier’ or did liar Shane Mitchell concoct this up on his own?
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Part 134 ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Scott Forbes - The Cool & Calculated Murderer & His Lying Mother’s Claimed Legal Person (Cough)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/26/killer-luke-mitchell-beam-me-up-scottie-scott-forbes-the-cool-calculated-murderer-his-lying-mothers-claimed-legal-person-cough-part-134/
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Around 7 months ago Sandra Lean ‘interviewed’ Jane Metcalfe https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OrbpA1zUquY
Jane Metcalfe is without doubt being manipulated and exploited by many
Robin Garbutt’s innocence campaign is grounded in dishonesty - like Luke Mitchell’s
Jane Metcalfe
Hi lovely friends+supporters of our Robin Garbutt. Just need to let you know that sadly+predictably the CCRC has again turned down Robin Garbutt`s application to take his case back before the appeals court. Robin Garbutt found out on Tuesday from his legal team (who are furious),+ understandably the family wanted to keep it under their hats for a couple of weeks just to get their head around it but we`ve found out today that the CCRC put it on their website on Tuesday! That is not their normal way of doing things...not only are they the thieves of hope, they even take away the prerogative of privacy whilst the family gets their heads around their unhinged decision...anyway if they think they are going to ground us down, they really are not. The fire in our bellies just got bigger - Freedom+justice for Robin Garbutt
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Sandra Lean
Take whatever time out you need to regain your strength, regroup, then have at them again. It's the nature of this injustice beast that it throws obstacle after obstacle in the way of the TRUTH, but the truth will always be revealed, no matter how hard they try to ignore or negate it.
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Jane Metcalfe
Sandra Lean this is really weird (in a good way), you`ve Justin Brooks used the word `obstacle` in your message+this morning discussing all of this with Dr.Naughton (your twin bro separated at birth*),he quoted `The obstacle is the way/path- What stands in the way becomes the way` Marcus Aurelius - I KNOW we will find a way with our without the ccrc x
*Pair of Con-artists
Trudi Benjamin
Sorry to hear this Jane. I hope the lawyers will consider JRing the decision. I have faith that the fight for justice will prevail.
Damien Fahy
The CCRC are not fit for purpose and definitely should disband and that's a pure set back for Robin Garbutt Jane Metcalfe
Jane Metcalfe
Damian Fahy They have shown all their cards at this point and it is now plain for all to see that they are exactly as you say `unfit for purpose`+worse! This action by them now clearly demonstrates for all to see, that as long as the ccrc exists in its present form, we DO NOT have a system in place to help the innocent overturn their wrongful convictions. Robin Garbutt is utterly+completely innocent of this terrible crime, yet the system that calls itself the ccrc, set up on the back of some huge miscarriages to help the innocent is actually a complete and utter fraudster. So, now we really know who we are dealing with, I hope you will all spread the word+pray+love+support that lovely lad Robin Garbutt+his family until we find a way right through the ccrc+out t`other side. Freedom+justice for Robin Garbutt X
Jane Metcalfe
Nicola Cordle That is such a powerful way to look at this Nicola Cordle! Can I pinch that quote of yours? That should be the headline on every newspaper! "ccrc fails again" ( I can`t bare even putting their name in capitals, I`m so childish)...thank you so much X
Jane Metcalfe
Steven Colclough It so is! This is not a case of the ccrc misunderstanding this case, it is a choice they are making despite the overwhelming, mind-blowing evidence showing the world that Robin Garbutt is a million % innocent. Every single professional that has looked at this case, tonnes of them, all agree this should be referred back to the appeal court, all except these people who call themselves the ccrc :,( X
Graham Guffick
CCRC much more interested in the preservation of their , system, reputation whatever than in acknowledging even the possibility of innocence of wrongly convicted individuals. The case against Robin Garbutt stands now on nothing in any way shape or form credible, their decision is as you say predictable but nonetheless despicable. Love to all, will never lose my belief in Rob's innocence
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Did Sandra Lean ever explain to her ‘flying monkey’ Sharon Indy sunshine why the killer was asked these questions?
Part 104 Naive Cult-Like Follower Sharon Indy Sunshine’s Projections
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-naive-cult-like-follower-sharon-indy-sunshines-projections-part-104/
https://www.justicefor[Name removed]lm.co.uk/
Jodi Jones and Luke Mitchell____The official Group
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Replying to
@smidgensofme
@Naomi_TV
and 9 others
Certainly, I will be giving out updates for the podcast when
@Naomi_TV
puts them out for us. Lots of new things in the works, watch this space as they say! Sharon :)
12:09 am · 25 Nov 2022
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https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1595932555160784902
Looks like Naomi Channell has deleted some of her tweets
More on Naomi Channell
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Part 82 Pro Knox Woman’ Michelle Moore Moderator For Cult-Like Sadistic & Psychopath Killer’s Facebook Group
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-pro-knox-woman-michelle-moore-moderator-for-cult-like-sadistic-psychopath-killers-facebook-group-part-82/
Michelle Moore
@michellesings
Pls #RT :) I'm hopeful 4 retrial (finally) of this young man. He was accused of murdering his girlfriend at age 14. It's absolutely ridiculous & proves how much influence misinformation from the media has
thesteepletimes.com
Could Luke Mitchell Be Innocent Of Murder? Petition 2022
As 25k strong petition is delivered to Scottish Parliament, we ask: “Could convicted killer Luke Mitchell be innocent of the murder of girlfriend Jodi Jones?”
10:09 pm · 15 Nov 2022
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https://twitter.com/michellesings/status/1592641062245642240
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Clearly it is Ron who has some series problems going on upstairs, and no surprise in the slightest that he supports the other one who is the same.
As does Sandra Lean
Sandra Lean
Good work, guys, but please don't waste your energy on "Innocence Fraud" - one of the most prolific trolls on the internet, wilfully ignorant and constantly puts out misinformation. This person has no interest in the truth, but will take up hours of people's valuable team with the nonsense posted.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0qKVnGRRY3TfXX8VPtLBrTvnQ7t3K2g1ELVq6w5ohygXf3f7AHkfZVZ1txnh4jUqFl&id=100032787115812
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Sandra Lean
Bridget Mallon Exactly, Bridget - the level of arrogance is astounding - they'd literally let real killers walk among us than admit they got it wrong.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0tNR8yWTLAVEWptQrV[Name removed]63D4Gazyq2KsgmujnpgAwJLgkhFw7iU4XkxsHqvNvUbuPl&id=100032787115812
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Part 135 Con-Artist Sandra Lean Is The Joseph Goebbels Of Midlothian’s ‘Wrongful Conviction’ Movement
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/27/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-is-the-joseph-goebbels-of-midlothians-wrongful-conviction-movement-part-135/
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Part 136 Red Flag After Red Flag Raised In This Innocence FRAUD By The Murderer, His Mother & Charlatan Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/27/killer-luke-mitchell-red-flag-after-red-flag-raised-in-this-innocence-fraud-by-the-murderer-his-mother-charlatan-sandra-lean-part-136/
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Mike Naughton
I'm a detective who can at least analyse the evidence and ascertain anomalies. Its what I've been doing for 14 years, miscarriages of justice and offered my assistance in this case numerous times.
[/b]Sandra Lean[/b]
Mike Naughton Yes, but detectives have to be first, analysing the evidence and, secondly, looking for anomalies - they did neither in this case!
Mike Naughton
Sandra Lean as un the Robin Garbutt case, a decision that he was guilty was made and they found the evidence to fit the crime. Ignoring anything which proved his innocence
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02BR6YwVi8XnZi7DDPgDy4LukFrYt66DqTa65UYcQmCMnYsqwbgo8NC5b1RqjMsKpHl&id=1011563515
Michael Naughton of Lewis Legal & False Allegations Forensics Ltd (FAFL)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/17/michael-naughton-of-lewis-legal-false-allegations-forensics-ltd/
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Part 137 Scott ‘Fraudster’ Forbes & Sandra ‘Liar’ Lean & Their Innocence FRAUD Gravy Train Scam
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/28/killer-luke-mitchell-scott-fraudster-forbes-sandra-liar-lean-their-innocence-fraud-part-137/
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Seems unconvicted baby killer Billy Middleton had already met/communicated with con-artist Sandra Lean before his trial had finished
Mr. W. A. Middleton
5.0 out of 5 stars First class review of recent miscarriages of justice
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 7 December 2009
This book provides invaluable insight into the British justice system in a manner anyone can understand and everyone should be aware of. Having subsequently met the author I am also aware that the text is not simply an academic viewpoint but a heartfelt and passionate stand-point based on thorough examination of each featured case.
As a result, Sandra Lean has demonstrated not only an ability to highlight the flaws in each case but an awareness of the emotional turmoil experienced by the accused and families alike. A quality so often void from others writing from a purely sterile perspective.
‘Academic viewpoint’
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‘Heartfelt’
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‘Thorough examination’
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‘In both No Smoke! and the 'Truthseeker' debacle Lean attempts to sow the seeds of doubt by creating false narratives & spreading disinformation.
She wants to exhaust our capacity to think critically so that we stop assimilating facts & she manipulates others into her conspiracies
Example: Page 80/81 (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/)
”Given the purely circumstantial nature of the Simon Hall case, it would seem pertinent to introduce other circumstantial events that may require further examination.
At 12.30pm, Sunday 25th November 2005 (exactly 3 weeks prior to the discovery of Mrs Albert’s body) Mabel Leyshon (90) was found dead in her home in Lon Pant, Llanfairpwll, on Anglesey. She had been stabbed repeatedly, following a break-in.
The similarities are striking, both were elderly women living alone, both were subjected to brutal and frenzied knife attacks, both had their houses broken into, and both were killed on a Saturday night and discovered on a Sunday.
Both were also security conscious, Bothere confirmed alive and well on the Saturday. ~ Sandra Lean
Lean tries to connect these murders based on the supposition both involved knives, both attacks were on Sundays, and both victims were "extremely security conscious." Is it possible two murders with completely different signatures so far apart were committed by the same person?
Theoretically, yes - but...
Mathew Hardman was arrested and convicted of the murder of Mabel Leyshon in 2002 - SIX YEARS BEFORE LEAN PUBLISHED HER BOOK!
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https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/crime-files-reopened-brutal-vampire-10466392
The person who wrote the above has made an error with the days. Both victims were found on a Sunday. One killer struck on a Saturday night the other on a Sunday morning
And one of the killers was a teenager like killer Luke Mitchell
“Further investigation found Hardman was obsessed with vampires, devil worship and the dark arts, and had spent hours visited macabre websites in his bedroom https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11419233/teen-vampire-matthew-hardman-kids-who-kill/
‘One typo’
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UPDATED Part 133 Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
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Part 138 LIARS & ABUSERS: Killer Luke Mitchell, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & How Easily They Lie To Cause Harm To Other Human Life
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/liars-abusers-killer-luke-mitchell-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-how-easily-they-lie-to-cause-harm-to-other-human-life-part-138/
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Sandra Lean
I’ve been saying for years, if they've got nothing to hide.... The whole basis of the call for an independent review was that it should be no problem for them if they had nothing to hide. And, goodness me, they go and all but PROVE they've got something to hide!!!
Sandra Lean
Will you join us now???
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Part 139 Killer Luke Mitchell: On A Rampage Of Destruction Has Tallied Up A List Of People He Wants To Harm, Then Uses LIARS & ABUSERS Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes To Do His Bidding
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/killer-luke-mitchell-on-a-rampage-of-destruction-has-tallied-up-a-list-of-people-he-wants-to-harm-then-uses-liars-abusers-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-to-do-his-bidding-part-139/
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Part 140 Killer Luke Mitchell: And Yet More On LIARS & ABUSERS Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & Their Innocence FRAUD
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/killer-luke-mitchell-and-yet-more-on-liars-abusers-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-their-innocence-fraud-part-140/
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Con-artist Sandra Lean has known since at least early 2014 that killer Luke Mitchell was and is guilty of his murder.
Strongly suspect relations broke down permanently between Sandra Lean and liar Corinne Mitchell last year.
Also strongly suspect Sandra Lean is fully aware liar Shane Mitchell was involved in the disposal of items that evening.
Fraudster Scott Forbes is without doubt exposing this innocence fraud
Did the killer Luke Mitchell phone the police from the path that night, what exactly was said during the trial about phone calls made to the emergency services/police etc?
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How many letters, if any, has con-artist Sandra Lean sent over the years to MSP’s?
And has she ever provided evidence to the people she is duping of what, if anything, she has written to MSP’s and when she has written to them, if ever?
Sandra Lean
How you can Help!
Many of you have been asking what you can do now. We always intended to leave the petition open until we received a response – please sign and share as widely as possible https://chng.it/sSfW5vMh
Secondly, we’re urging people to write to their own MSPs, demanding that they insist on a public enquiry. The list of MSPs by area is here: https://www.parliament.scot/msps - just key in your postcode. Please don’t write to Westminster MPs – they can’t help.
It’s important to word your message in such a way that it addresses exactly what your concerns are and what you want done. Please don’t put Luke’s name in the subject line – use something like “Police Wrongdoing” or “Concerns about Justice.” I would suggest the following template (remember to include your address and postcode at the end).
“As a Scottish citizen, I am appalled by recent developments which show Police Scotland destroyed evidence in a case (Luke Mitchell) where it was clear further proceedings were imminent. In how many other cases might this also have happened? My faith and trust in our justice processes has been severely eroded by these events and I am requesting that you, as my parliamentary representative, insist on a public and transparent enquiry into how this has been allowed to happen.
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Does deluded Matt Elliott even know what has allegedly been destroyed, when and why it may have been destroyed?
And is deluded Matt Elliott aware that some ‘evidence’ becomes a health hazard over time
Matt Elliott
Quite simply….why? There’s absolutely no need or reason to be destroying evidence, especially when it’s not inline with procedures and ‘law’. What’s the rush? How can Luke possibly question the physical evidence if it’s destroyed? Science evolves, especially with DNA testing and Luke hasn’t, and will not, admit guilt, he’s been clear on that!
How ever angry this may make you…see this as a positive for Luke, it only opens up more questions about this case as a whole.
Someone out there is holding on to the truth…not too late to do the right thing.
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Con-artist Sandra Lean
Killer Luke Mitchell
Liar Shane Mitchell
Liar Corinne Mitchell
Deluded & Misogynistic Matthew (Matt) Elliott Is Telling Porkies..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
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‘In both No Smoke! and the 'Truthseeker' debacle Lean attempts to sow the seeds of doubt by creating false narratives & spreading disinformation.
She wants to exhaust our capacity to think critically so that we stop assimilating facts & she manipulates others into her conspiracies
Example: Page 80/81 (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/)
”Given the purely circumstantial nature of the Simon Hall case, it would seem pertinent to introduce other circumstantial events that may require further examination.
At 12.30pm, Sunday 25th November 2005 (exactly 3 weeks prior to the discovery of Mrs Albert’s body) Mabel Leyshon (90) was found dead in her home in Lon Pant, Llanfairpwll, on Anglesey. She had been stabbed repeatedly, following a break-in.
The similarities are striking, both were elderly women living alone, both were subjected to brutal and frenzied knife attacks, both had their houses broken into, and both were killed on a Saturday night and discovered on a Sunday.
Both were also security conscious, Bothere confirmed alive and well on the Saturday. ~ Sandra Lean
Mathew Hardman was arrested and convicted of the murder of Mabel Leyshon in 2002 - SIX YEARS BEFORE LEAN PUBLISHED HER BOOK!
Sandra Lean (today)
Marie Milne They can try to discredit us until the cows come home - all we're doing is putting out the truth - they can't discredit that!!!!!
Con-artist Sandra Lean is to killer Luke Mitchell what con-artist John Morris was to killer David Morris
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Sandra Lean
I’ve been saying for years, if they've got nothing to hide.... The whole basis of the call for an independent review was that it should be no problem for them if they had nothing to hide. And, goodness me, they go and all but PROVE they've got something to hide!!!
Sandra Lean
Will you join us now???
Wonder what liar Shane Mitchell thinks each time he hears con-artist Sandra Lean mention his name
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Carol Rice McMillan
Hopeless with technology but my daughters emailing every MSP in Midlothian for me.
What kind of mother asks/manipulates their daughter(s) into campaigning for a convicted killer?
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Group member
An email to a local MP
Hi Mr —-
Over the months I’ve been following Luke Mitchell’s story. As you will be aware Luke was convicted of murdering his 14 year old girlfriend and was sentenced to at least 20 years in prison. Recently there has been a documentary released along with books published by Dr Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes, these books make a very interesting read. It seems here there has been a massive failure on behalf of the individuals who dealt with or who were supposedly dealing with the investigation. I hope you can understand how worrying this is for locals that 1- we potentially have an extremely dangerous person capable of murder amongst our community, near our loved ones and our children 2- if this is a miscarriage of justice which I would believe is the case, it questions wether we are really safe ? Are our loved ones safe? Has this happened before luke and is it likely to happen again? This case deserves an independent inquiry and those who have failed to carry out there job deserve to be held accountable and punished accordingly. Could you imagine your son, nephew, grandson ever being wrongly accused and imprisoned for a crime they did not commit? It could happen to anyone and that’s a scary thought. This case is not going anywhere now many thousands of people are aware and following and invested in seeing justice served. Please can I recommend that you at the very least give the two books I mentioned above a read ? If you have read this far I thank you.
Rachel Roll
Great questions posed Group Member it'll be interesting to see what response you get thanks for sharing
Have a look at what toxic and abusive con-artists Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes have written
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/liars-abusers-killer-luke-mitchell-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-how-easily-they-lie-to-cause-harm-to-other-human-life-part-138/
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A group member has asked
”Why, when Jodi was reported missing, did police go straight to Reid drive?
Freddie Green has replied
It is possible there was a registered sex offender living in the area
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Did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police to go to Reed/Reid drive?
“And talking of Reed (Reid) drive, and of Sandra Lean, that planting of a seed of paedophiles
That they may have come in via that way, as when crimes happen involving young girls, sex offenders flag up -
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/27/killer-luke-mitchell-red-flag-after-red-flag-raised-in-this-innocence-fraud-by-the-murderer-his-mother-charlatan-sandra-lean-part-136/
What a dangerous con-artist and charlatan Sandra Lean is!
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‘A little quiz’
How many of the people who have responded to con-artist Sandra Leans nonsense have been brainwashed
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0xKYQi7j6vEaFKK1fD5pg8RiiyWxcGd5cx6quRG5jtsTw9g8SAARXyKiw19hNnmTMl&id=1011563515
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Sandra Lean
I've been saying for years, if they've got nothing to hide....
The killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother Corinne Mitchell would have published their statements/transcripts in full (minus police questions if need be)
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Sandra Lean
I've been saying for years, if they've got nothing to hide....
The killer Luke Mitchell and his cruel and callous mother Corinne Mitchell would have published their statements/transcripts in full (minus police questions if need be)
Excellent point. So Sandra Lean. If Luke and his Mother have nothing to hide 8(0(* then there is, has never been anything to stop them publishing these statements.
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Excellent point. So Sandra Lean. If Luke and his Mother have nothing to hide 8(0(* then there is, has never been anything to stop them publishing these statements.
Think you mean Scott Forbes
Con-artist Sandra Lean was given the boot last year
“Okay with that out of the way I want to say it has been an enormous privilege to work on this case for all these years
“So on Wednesday the 30th of June after the case papers have been collected I will no longer be associated with Luke’s case in any professional capacity because decisions taken about the direction of the campaign can’t be reconciled with the work that I do
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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Anyone know how much con-artist Sandra Lean has in her ‘fighting fund’ pot from her book sales?
Wasn’t she putting £5 from each book towards it?
Did she pass the money on or has she spent it?
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How many times, if any, has cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell written to her MP?
And why is Sandra Lean getting people she is deceiving to harass MP’s - why doesn’t she harass the MP’s herself?
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Wasn’t she putting £5 from each book towards it?
Best joke i have heard all week @)(++(*
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Ana Azaria
Laura Lyons They could try to argue that, but it wouldn't be a satisfactory response to all of those concerns. There have been other attacks and murders since 2003 in Scotland, and not too far from where Jodi was murdered - obviously that doesn't mean that the same person committed those crimes, but they couldn't say that nothing else has happened. There also could be various reasons that the perpetrator hasn't attacked again, if that's the case. They might say that they can't comment on individual cases - but they can comment on flaws and concerns within the justice system that contribute to miscarriage's of justice.
Ana Azaria has yet to recognise the killer, his lying mother, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes’ HOAX PR campaign is yet another example of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon
And many cases referred to by the outdated phrase of a ‘miscarriages of justice’ are also clear examples of innocence fraud
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Best joke i have heard all week @)(++(*
Didn’t the fraudster also claim a couple hundred books went missing ?
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Sandra Lean is a scammer - on par with scammers like Billy Middleton
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Sandra Lean
I love podcasters who really do their homework. This is the new series from Naomi Channel about the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence. Have a listen - in these days of fake news and mainstream BS,we need to support those who seek to bring us the truth with integrity!!
Has anyone listened to Naomi Channells podcast “Her name was Claudia Lawrence”?
It’s awful!
As is the music she chooses to use, as if to highlight something she deems of relevance
In episode 2 Naomi refers to ‘the body of a 68 year old woman’ being found and how ‘relieved’ they were
What about the family of the ‘68 year old woman’?
Or did she/does she not matter?
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Ayngel Marie Brown
Did they ever test the items found in that cave that looked like someone burnt stuff and left in a hurry??
Could have been that guy changing his clothing and burning the evidence (or something along those lines)
Absolutely shocking how they dealt with this case,
A sleeping bag
Sandra Lean
Ayngel Marie Brown We're working on that aspect at the moment. I can't say any more, right now, sorry!
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Has anyone listened to Naomi Channells podcast “Her name was Claudia Lawrence”?
It’s awful!
As is the music she chooses to use, as if to highlight something she deems of relevance
In episode 2 Naomi refers to ‘the body of a 68 year old woman’ being found and how ‘relieved’ they were
What about the family of the ‘68 year old woman’?
Or did she/does she not matter?
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Pauline Armitage is her name Naomi Channell
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https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4302083.body-found-ouse-named/
Pauline Armitage was also missing Naomi Channell
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https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4303007.tragic-end-in-hunt-for-missing-grandmother-pauline-armitage/
Very much doubt Lesleyann Armitage was ‘relieved’ Naomi Channell
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Matt Elliott
**FILM UPDATE**
It’s safe to say this week has been full of twists and turns and left some feeling angry and emotional, that includes me. I always try, where possible, to use anything negative as a positive, and I personally see no difference here.
I always intended, after respectfully approaching the team, to produce an objective film focused on the facts. This is still the case, but given the recent updates I have to remain flexible and focus on the long-term. I’m not prepared to cut corners here. Quite simply this project has developed into something, which if done right, will be a full-time production for me personally…I can’t put a timescale on this given the nature of what’s happening.
I have already spent countless hours working on this in the background, and am more than happy to do so, I’ve also said time and time again that I have found nothing which points towards Luke’s involvement…that’s of real concern to me. Of all the cases I’ve ever followed there has always been some doubt in my mind, no matter how small, but with Luke it’s the total reverse! I believe it’s fair to say this week has only gone to highlight that!
As a filmmaker you should always remain objective, and I’m happy to have mature, and open conversations, with anyone who has a well informed opinion from any side of the fence..this won’t change. I will also reach out to individuals who have been personally impacted by the case, some have expressed their opinions and been vocal on here, but please feel free to PM me and your messages will be treated in confidence.
I will be producing a soft launch video soon and outline everything, but as always thanks for your support for the page and all you do for Luke and Jodi.
This case runs far deeper than I ever imagined…
Matt
Deluded & Misogynistic Matt Elliott Is Telling Porkies..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matt Elliotts ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
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Matt Elliott
**FILM UPDATE**
It’s safe to say this week has been full of twists and turns and left some feeling angry and emotional, that includes me. I always try, where possible, to use anything negative as a positive, and I personally see no difference here.
I always intended, after respectfully approaching the team, to produce an objective film focused on the facts. This is still the case, but given the recent updates I have to remain flexible and focus on the long-term. I’m not prepared to cut corners here. Quite simply this project has developed into something, which if done right, will be a full-time production for me personally…I can’t put a timescale on this given the nature of what’s happening.
I have already spent countless hours working on this in the background, and am more than happy to do so, I’ve also said time and time again that I have found nothing which points towards Luke’s involvement…that’s of real concern to me. Of all the cases I’ve ever followed there has always been some doubt in my mind, no matter how small, but with Luke it’s the total reverse! I believe it’s fair to say this week has only gone to highlight that!
As a filmmaker you should always remain objective, and I’m happy to have mature, and open conversations, with anyone who has a well informed opinion from any side of the fence..this won’t change. I will also reach out to individuals who have been personally impacted by the case, some have expressed their opinions and been vocal on here, but please feel free to PM me and your messages will be treated in confidence.
I will be producing a soft launch video soon and outline everything, but as always thanks for your support for the page and all you do for Luke and Jodi.
This case runs far deeper than I ever imagined…
Matt
Deluded & Misogynistic Matt Elliott Is Telling Porkies..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-misogynistic-matthew-matt-elliott-is-telling-porkies-part-85/
Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matt Elliotts ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
James Lochrie
I Admire the dedication you have for this project . This is a national scandal in the making . Also , I think what separates this case from other miscarriages , is the fact that Luke was just a kid when all this happened . He's been completely robbed of his teen years , which for some people are the happiest years of your life . His early adult years have been taken away too . I can't get my head round the mind of the people who have knowingly done this .
James Lochrie mentioned in
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Ana Azaria’s Snippets & Assumption
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azalia-part-81/
Matt Elliott
James exactly! I only have to imagine my own children going through this at that age. Given the facts of what he went through that night and then to be treated as a suspect straight away…which he was no matter how you word it, is mind blowing…
Then to be ‘trashed’ by the media…it’s unforgivable.
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
If any of you are brave enough to venture into the alien world of Twitter we have a poll going at the moment. Please come over to cast your vote. Thanks guys 🙂
Link here 👇
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM?t=oNzL9aUSifyY5bN-VNNDCw&s=09
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The same Sharon Indy Sunshine who blocks anyone and everyone with an opposing view - meaning only ‘supporters’ are likely to vote
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Sandra Lean’s Deluded ‘Flying Monkey’ Sharon Indy Sunshine Aka Sharon Young
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/26/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-flying-monkey-sharon-indy-sunshine-aka-sharon-young-part-89/
Naive Killer Cult-Like Follower Sharon Indy Sunshine’s Projections
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-naive-cult-like-follower-sharon-indy-sunshines-projections-part-104/
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Sandra Lean- 4th October 2019
As for writing style, you can't compare my writing style today with my writing style 12 years ago, when I was just beginning to write.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456210.html?PHPSESSID=qu564a15irn6gpno9b203p5re2#msg456210
‘Writing style’ ?
Excerpt from con-artist Sandra Lean’s first discredited book No Smoke: p.90
“The prosecution contention that he was not “at home” between 5pm and 5.45pm begins to unravel at this point - how did the clothing, alleged to have been burned in the garden, get to his home without him? There is not, and has never been, any suggestion that Corinne Mitchell collected clothing from anywhere else that evening - indeed, other, concrete evidence, such as CCTV footage in a local store, rules out any such eventuality
How so?
Liar Corinne Mitchell apparently arrived home at around 5.15pm and was caught on CCTV prior to this time in a local store
Corinne could have gone back out either in her car or on foot or even met her killer son on her way home from the local store
Did Corinne take Mia the dog to work with her that day?
And if so where exactly did Mia the dog travel when she was in the car?
And Corinne keep a blanket in the car for Mia to sit/lay on?
Did any neighbours witness Corinne Mitchell arriving home in her car that night and if so what did they say with regards timings?
And didn’t one of the lying Mitchell’s go out in a car at around 5.30pm?
Who was in the car at 5.30pm and where were they heading when they went out?
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Sandra Lean- 4th October 2019
As for writing style, you can't compare my writing style today with my writing style 12 years ago, when I was just beginning to write.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456210.html?PHPSESSID=qu564a15irn6gpno9b203p5re2#msg456210
‘Writing style’ ?
Lithium wasn’t referring to con-artist Sandra Leans ‘writing style’
Liar. That's not what you were saying. You were including the unnamed "witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall" in the list along side Stephen Kelly and the rest, evident by the comma... you didn't follow any of the other names with a description. (to the contrary - explanation of who [Name removed]'s dad was precedes his name) I've read your latest book, you'd write something along the lines of, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly (a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall), and the mystery man... Impossible to typo that witnesses name as "STEPHEN KELLY", no one is that sloppy and incompetent... if so (didn't you proof read the bullshit you were putting out?), it's no wonder Luke's still rotting in Shotts.
Credibility gone and anyone can see you're lying now.
Also didn't you say a few pages ago that you have never claimed anyone followed Jodi onto the path???
You're finished Lean.
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Part 147 Phoney Criminologist Sandra Lean, Her Lack Of Critical Thinking & The Mitchell’s Motors
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/04/killer-luke-mitchell-phoney-criminologist-sandra-lean-her-lack-of-critical-thinking-the-mitchells-motors-part-147/
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Why did cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell buy her underage killer son a replacement stunting knife as a Christmas present
She said she found the knife later that day in a bag after her house had been searched by police. It was only then that she remembered she had bought her son a "skunting" knife from a catalogue as a Christmas present in December 2003, after Jodi's death.
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Part 147 Phoney Criminologist Sandra Lean, Her Lack Of Critical Thinking & The Mitchell’s Motors
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/04/killer-luke-mitchell-phoney-criminologist-sandra-lean-her-lack-of-critical-thinking-the-mitchells-motors-part-147/
UPDATED 👆🏽
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One positive of IB is the intensity of the spinning now required by Ms Lean on a larger scale. The more she is asked questions the more she highlights just how lacking she really is. Common sense and intellect are not evident. The half truths and the explanations are a shambles.
I have mentioned this several times now, it matters not who pays heed to this. For some people there is no attempt at changing horses mid stream. Once you are caught in a web of deceit it is almost impossible to escape. Allowing oneself first and foremost to be become entangled out of sheer foolishness will not change.
Some common sense first: - LM was arrested some 10 months after Jodi's murder. If you have already been tangled up in the nonsense of tunnel vision, of setting out to fit Mitchell up from the moment that 999 call was made. Read no further.
DNA - I am going to start here with the infamous bra strap - Ms Leans favourite for spinning with. Of only recently again making claim, to some markers belonging to 4/5 others closely linked to the investigation. Here is the half truth, that there were common markers. To be common they have to sit in the same place. You may have already read Chris's technical terms around this. We can stick with markers here. To include someone as a donor there can be NO markers present that do no match theirs. These others that Ms Lean includes with markers, were EXCLUDED as being a donor. There were markers present NOT belonging to them. Every marker, and there were several in place, the same as Mitchells included him as the donor. The bra strap was not unique to this, there were multiple partial profiles, all with the same markers siting in the same place as Mitchells, all of these partials he could NOT be excluded as being the donor of. Those law of averages, those multiples make it almost certain they were all Mitchells. Proven not, almost certain, yes. Did it matter - yes it did, not for Mitchell and his close relationship with Jodi, but of this murder NOT pointing to A another. That of a stranger.
Doing the rounds and yet again not corrected. This Cath Black claiming that the blood on DD's shoe was Jodi's. Those arms and legs added with some of Mitchells most avid supporters. The type of support needed to ensure Mitchell stays where he belongs. But of spinning and another posted of JaF's DNA and the database:
Now I have picked up on this before, that any OTHER profiles present tell us clearly they do not belong to ANY of Ms Leans others, (EX SK) RG included or claimed 'similar' crimes. Where she is now putting out further half truths around this male. Stating that he had been in trouble prior to his DNA flagging up in the system. No shit, did the guy get stopped for speeding? Any type of minor offence that did not warrant a DNA sample being taken. Using this as a means to claim that anything at the time may NOT have been run through the database - BS. In Peter Pan land of some fantasy conspiracy theory, borne from those days of Jigsawman. The powers on high were out to stitch that lad up - BS
Back to Mitchell and that 10 month period in time. Where anyone, with even a smidgeon of common sense, will see that there had to be sufficient evidence that warranted Mitchell being and remaining the prime suspect in this murder. Take you head out of any obtuse conspiracy theory and think. This was 10 months, there was no rush, no drive to get a quick arrest, to nail someone for this murder. This brutal murder of a 14 year old girl. Add in every other male that had been known through this. SK, the duo, the brother, MK and that condom. All known almost instantly. It does NOT matter that the duo and condom mans actual ID was not knowing to the police until after the 1st of July. The duo were known to the police almost instantly. they knew that two youths had been seen near to the locus. They were instantly prime in this investigation. The very reason that appeal was put out. The ID of them knowing to the police within the week. The condom and some real common sense, not Leans "he may have tried to put it in his pocket and dropped it." Of the crow flies measurements and all else. There was nothing that is 0 of his DNA at the immediate locus or in sight of it. If there had have been, it would have raised more than a ? with DF. Yes we know, Ms Lean has him down as inadequate too. This nonsense and the database, that profile upon the deceased's shoe. Nothing flagged up and irrelevant. A sperm head (1) from a woodland, who would have thought?
Now to draw back to this DNA. This person who has written a book where those who are that blinded, do not even pick up on the fact that there is actually no proper referencing to any witness statements. Just that they come from the defence papers. And those forensic reports. Blagging her way through any type of nonsense. Where this further spinning is required. She is being asked direct questions and the answer is "I never thought of that!" As we had with the female element of DNA present in semen. Book written before any expertise given. Blagging and further blagging. This was the brutal murder of a 14yr old girl and the woman is blagging her way through a book. Her sole aim, to draw the reader onto other possible people of interest. To blag about them, the police, the defence and all else - to have a chapter in her book called "The agreed Facts!" which is the agreement made between Sandra Lean and Luke Mitchell. Nothing to do with facts as we know it. The most blatant half truth in it all. Mitchells LIES labelled as FACTS.
Con-artist Sandra Lean said similar in killer Simon Hall case
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Sandra Lean stated; “There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time”
‘Revisions’ ?
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Excerpt from con-artist Sandra Lean’s first discredited book No Smoke p.90
“If Luke Mitchell had committed such a brutal murder, wearing such a recognisable garment, is it feasible to believe that his mother would provide him with an identical (and therefore readily identifiable) one? It simply makes no sense - having disposed of the jacket, the obvious move would have been to buy something completely different”
How so?
Of course it’s ‘feasible to believe that his mother would provide him with an identical one’!
Btw killer Simon Hall previously owned a pair of black mole skin type trousers - the pair he purchased on the 15th December 2001 were his second pair
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Group member
This is a Luke love in page with no thought for the victim’s family the fact no one even mentions they arranged to met and there’s only one route from his house to hers and that’s where she was found just off the remote woodland path is enough to make him a suspect. hopefully evidence comes to light that confirms one way or another but to claim he is innocent by being brainwashed by his defence lawyer’s argument is crazy because even guilty people have the right to be defended
Ana Azaria
Hi group member, I’ll address the points you made individually.
We are a non-speculative group, with the aim of achieving justice for both Jodi and Luke. We absolutely do not allow speculation (or abuse) against Jodi’s family; we only work with the known facts.
You said in your post that you hope that evidence comes to light that confirms one way or another (whether Luke is guilty) – so do we! But we aren’t here to just hope for that, we are here to fight for it. The fact that you agree that it hasn’t been confirmed one way or another that Luke committed this crime, means that you must be aware that a potentially innocent person could have spent 18 years in prison – and that this could mean the murderer is still out there. While these questions remain, neither Jodi or her family have had justice – and over and above just being considerate, we want to make sure that justice is achieved.
We have mentioned the meeting details and the route, many times! We have a lot of posts on this page and we cover everything that we can. If you feel that we have missed something or don’t discuss it enough, please bring that up and we can look at it.
In regards to the path/route - even if Jodi was making her way down the path towards Newbattle to meet Luke (and we don’t know for sure which route she took), we don’t know whether she stopped on the way, or who else she met up with. We still don’t know exactly when Jodi left her house – the statements regarding that changed a few times and it was never properly confirmed. Her cousin’s moped was seen at the v break at the time the police believed Jodi was killed. A family member of Jodi’s was seen following her towards the path just after 5pm. These individuals were not investigated, and if you know the case details, you will know that there are a lot of unanswered questions and discrepancies surrounding these people that were connected to the scene. It doesn’t mean that any of these people are guilty or committed the crime – but the point is, to say that Jodi must have met Luke on the path or made her way down the path without meeting anyone else, is simply speculation.
I’m not sure what you mean by being brainwashed by his defence lawyer.
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Reuben March 2010
Mr Hall's family was approached about a PHD in 2006, the book came after, 2007 / 08. I never said they were connected, I said that the PHD was the reason behind the first contact from S.L.
Corinne Mitchell March 2010
I am sorry, but you are actually, factually.....wrong.
The book and the PHD are not connected. Sandra began her PHD a couple of years AFTER book was published. When she was writing the book a PHD hadn't entered her head. I know....because I was there!!!
The book was never a promise of help it was written to make the general public aware of how rotten our justice system is.
Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Because of my long term involvement in a high profile case in Scotland, in which an extremely negative perception of the convicted person has existed for several years, research in Scotland, whether collecting survey data or organising and arranging interviews posed particular challenges. Initially, a decision was taken that I would not personally collect survey data in the local area (Edinburgh and Lothian), this being undertaken by four volunteers not known to be associated with me, so as not to „give away‟ the connection of the survey to instances of wrongful accusation/conviction, as discussed previously.
Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question, which may have had some impact on those who had initially expressed an interest in participating in the study failing to respond to later attempts at contact. As a result of these events, and the unregulated manner in which sites were operated, the lies and malicious comments escalated fairly quickly into threats, both veiled and blatant. Threats were made to publish my personal address and telephone numbers, pictures of my home, and details of my daughters, and dishonest information was posted concerning my personal life. This culminated in physical threats (including death threats) made by people approaching me whilst in the street, and, in one instance, by a person arriving at my home to threaten me.
Throughout this period, the police in Scotland would not act, maintaining that no crime had been committed, even though in England and Wales, I had been made aware of similar circumstances where police had acted, and charges had been brought28. Following the arrival of the person at my home, my daughter and I were forced to move out until proper security measures had been put in place (cameras and movement sensor lights) as this person had threatened to return should I continue my involvement in the case.
These events raised several issues regarding the whole approach to the study, and the effects of these events on my abilities to maintain an impartial and unbiased approach to data collection and analysis. Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
“Someone who used the alias Reuben stated in March 2010, ‘She approached the family telling them she was doing a PHD’
Reuben stated; (14th March 2010)
I too was reading in silence but now need to comment as a close friend of Mr Hall's family..
I have followed the case since the beginning and can guarantee that S Lean DID NOT work on the Simon Hall case AT ALL.
She approached the family telling them she was doing a PHD (as she told everyone she wrote about) and wanted to use the case as an example.
She then just used the info in the public domain and changed a few words here and there, book made.
If you read the Simon Hall Website and then her chapter...they are strangely similar..
At the time the book was published we all read it and were asked for comments, everyone was quite disappointed at the result but then thought it could be good publicity, still the book hasn't really had the success his family was promised.
Reuben stated; (15th March 2010)
As I said you may be right with YOUR facts, but not about others...not one bit!
Mr Hall's family was approached about a PHD in 2006, the book came after, 2007 / 08. I never said they were connected, I said that the PHD was the reason behind the first contact from S.L.
You need to read what people are saying, a PHD in 3 different places??? Perhaps in different times?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
In Sandra Leans February 2012 dissertation called ‘Hidden In Plain View’ she was claiming Reuben was one of the people involved in a “hate campaign”
Sandra Lean
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest
Were the claims made by Reuben about Sandra Lean in 2010 ‘dishonest’?
Sandra Lean
Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question
Did Sandra Lean show all those people who participated in her alleged study, the claims being made on the internet at the time by people like Reuben?
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - continuing from p.109
However, such experiences also allowed an insight into the experiences of wrongly accused/convicted persons and their family members, where the case has been the subject of high profile media coverage; the inability to prevent such things being disseminated publicly, and the lack of redress for such a situation are two common causes of concern and anger for these people. Also an insight into how some members of the public can be convinced that what they have read or heard about high profile cases in the media is factually correct proved invaluable in understanding the effects of such responses on innocent individuals and their family members.
The potentially negative impacts for the study (access to wrongly accused/convicted persons and their families, campaigners, etc) were greatly eased by existing contacts, with whom relationships of trust and respect had previously been built, making contact with potential participants, reassuring them that the “hate campaign‟ was malicious and dishonest, and that I was trustworthy, with no “ulterior motives,‟ as had been suggested. It was as a result of these people‟s kindness and integrity that the part of the study covering Scottish cases was able to be conducted to the extent it was, and the effects of the “hate campaign‟ so successfully minimised.
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“Someone who used the alias Reuben stated in March 2010, ‘She approached the family telling them she was doing a PHD’
Reuben stated; (14th March 2010)
I too was reading in silence but now need to comment as a close friend of Mr Hall's family..
I have followed the case since the beginning and can guarantee that S Lean DID NOT work on the Simon Hall case AT ALL.
She approached the family telling them she was doing a PHD (as she told everyone she wrote about) and wanted to use the case as an example.
She then just used the info in the public domain and changed a few words here and there, book made.
If you read the Simon Hall Website and then her chapter...they are strangely similar..
At the time the book was published we all read it and were asked for comments, everyone was quite disappointed at the result but then thought it could be good publicity, still the book hasn't really had the success his family was promised.
Reuben stated; (15th March 2010)
As I said you may be right with YOUR facts, but not about others...not one bit!
Mr Hall's family was approached about a PHD in 2006, the book came after, 2007 / 08. I never said they were connected, I said that the PHD was the reason behind the first contact from S.L.
You need to read what people are saying, a PHD in 3 different places??? Perhaps in different times?
Sandra Lean thought Reuben could have been Shaun Hall or Stephanie Bon or someone associated with them
Reuben was referred to in the below blog
Part 18a Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
and also referred to in Part 18f ~ dropping soon
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This might be of interest to some... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRR-CccYXqI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRR-CccYXqI)
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Sandra Lean thought Reuben could have been Shaun Hall or Stephanie Bon or someone associated with them
Reuben was referred to in the below blog
Part 18a Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
and also referred to in Part 18f ~ dropping soon
Part 18b Unconvicted Child Killer, Abuser & Predator Billy Middleton
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18c%ef%b8%8f/
Part 18c Twisted Reciprocal Relationships
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f/
Part 18d Innocence Fraud Killers Sion Jenkins & Michael O’Brien
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f-2/
Part 18e Abusers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/01/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18e%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Part 18f Sandra Lean: Toxicity, Triangulation, Projection & Informal Fallacies
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18e%ef%b8%8f/
Part 18g ~ dropping soon
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Because of my long term involvement in a high profile case in Scotland, in which an extremely negative perception of the convicted person has existed for several years, research in Scotland, whether collecting survey data or organising and arranging interviews posed particular challenges. Initially, a decision was taken that I would not personally collect survey data in the local area (Edinburgh and Lothian), this being undertaken by four volunteers not known to be associated with me, so as not to „give away‟ the connection of the survey to instances of wrongful accusation/conviction, as discussed previously.
Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question, which may have had some impact on those who had initially expressed an interest in participating in the study failing to respond to later attempts at contact. As a result of these events, and the unregulated manner in which sites were operated, the lies and malicious comments escalated fairly quickly into threats, both veiled and blatant. Threats were made to publish my personal address and telephone numbers, pictures of my home, and details of my daughters, and dishonest information was posted concerning my personal life. This culminated in physical threats (including death threats) made by people approaching me whilst in the street, and, in one instance, by a person arriving at my home to threaten me.
Throughout this period, the police in Scotland would not act, maintaining that no crime had been committed, even though in England and Wales, I had been made aware of similar circumstances where police had acted, and charges had been brought28. Following the arrival of the person at my home, my daughter and I were forced to move out until proper security measures had been put in place (cameras and movement sensor lights) as this person had threatened to return should I continue my involvement in the case.
These events raised several issues regarding the whole approach to the study, and the effects of these events on my abilities to maintain an impartial and unbiased approach to data collection and analysis. Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
“Someone who used the alias Reuben stated in March 2010, ‘She approached the family telling them she was doing a PHD’
In Sandra Leans February 2012 dissertation called ‘Hidden In Plain View’ she was claiming Reuben was one of the people involved in a “hate campaign”
Were the claims made by Reuben about Sandra Lean in 2010 ‘dishonest’?
Did Sandra Lean show all those people who participated in her alleged study, the claims being made on the internet at the time by people like Reuben?
What exactly did Sandra Lean tell Gill McIvor and Margaret Malloch ?
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
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Never mind the ‘written consents’ what did con-artist Sandra Lean’s original communications with these individuals consist of ?
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - Page 104)
Again, given the manner in which the study was conducted (travelling in a camper van to keep costs down), security issues were ever present, should the van be broken into or stolen, although the locked cabinet had been built into the furniture of the van so as not to be conspicuous. The removable external drive was not left in the van at any time when it was unattended.
Camper Van? = Former post office van
‘The removable external drive was not left in the van at any time when it was unattended’ - Are you sure Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
From page 177 of Sandra Leans thesis
Another family member highlights what was, to the family, an inexplicable series of events in which what was perceived to be solid, tangible evidence was never followed up;
‘“They took a week to come forward, even though they were relatives [of the victim]... one of them had cut his hair, but they eliminated them from the enquiry within a day – the DNA results weren‟t even back. They never got the clothes they were wearing, or the bike... all of that should have been tested for forensics... just like they didn‟t get the search party‟s clothes...there were so many things we found out later – *** and *** – both of them were at the scene of the crime on the night of the murder, but the police didn‟t trace them, even though they had been told about ***, and they had ***s DNA from the start.‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years.)
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From page 177 of Sandra Leans thesis
Another family member highlights what was, to the family, an inexplicable series of events in which what was perceived to be solid, tangible evidence was never followed up;
‘“They took a week to come forward, even though they were relatives [of the victim]... one of them had cut his hair, but they eliminated them from the enquiry within a day – the DNA results weren‟t even back. They never got the clothes they were wearing, or the bike... all of that should have been tested for forensics... just like they didn‟t get the search party‟s clothes...there were so many things we found out later – *** and *** – both of them were at the scene of the crime on the night of the murder, but the police didn‟t trace them, even though they had been told about ***, and they had ***s DNA from the start.‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years.)
The police never got killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing he was wearing or his other bike
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
From page 261 of Sandra Lean’s thesis
Another Group Two Interviewee explains the frustration and confusion faced by families when judges appear to agree that something has gone wrong, and then use legal technicalities to uphold the conviction:
“They all [appeal judges] agreed that the police behaviour was outrageous ... but somehow it‟s ok because he didn‟t confess to anything. Why does that matter? They still used all that stuff against him at trial – tried to say he was aggressive and cocky, even though they had been goading him for hours – what was he supposed to do? Of course he was going to fight back – he hadn‟t done anything... But the judges seemed to be saying it‟s ok ... just so long as they don‟t confess...it‟s the same as what they did with ***. They said if he‟d been a suspect, the way he was questioned would have been illegal, but because he was a witness, it was ok. How was he a witness when they‟d bloody arrested him, for christ‟s sake?‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
From page 267 of Sandra Leans thesis
Although Innocence projects are another beacon of hope for the wrongly convicted and their families, and acceptance onto an innocence project is welcomed as a positive development, some individuals have been disappointed by the experience (perhaps because their perceptions or expectations of what an Innocence Project could do were unrealistic to begin with). One family member, for example, was surprised and disappointed to receive a letter stating that no work had been carried out on that case in 12 months, but offering no real explanation as to why such a long period of inactivity had occurred.
A convicted person, considering an opportunity to have his case reviewed by an Innocence Project said
“I‟m quite happy for them to have a look, but I don‟t really have much faith...it‟s a bunch of students – how committed are they really going to be? I‟ve heard from a couple of the guys about students leaving the project, and stuff not getting done, or not getting passed on, paperwork getting lost or missed....you can‟t really hold it against them. I mean, if they‟ve only got to do a term or something to get their marks, it‟s not as if it‟s really important to them, is it?‟
(accused person, convicted, sentenced to 17 years)
Who was this then Sandra Lean?
Killer Simon Hall received a letter from the innocence project very similar to what you state in the above (in your thesis)
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
2007/08 - Stephen T Manning back cover of 1st discredited book No Smoke - which is referenced throughout
Sandra Lean’s thesis
“The author is currently a PhD candidate in criminal justice at Stirling university
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Because of my long term involvement in a high profile case in Scotland, in which an extremely negative perception of the convicted person has existed for several years
Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question, which may have had some impact on those who had initially expressed an interest in participating in the study failing to respond to later attempts at contact. As a result of these events, and the unregulated manner in which sites were operated, the lies and malicious comments escalated fairly quickly into threats, both veiled and blatant.[/b].
What nonsense
Sandra Lean started dating unconvicted baby killer Billy Middelton in 2010
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Angeline Aka Sandra Lean - 28th February 2010
“Also, in a break following Janine's testimony, Luke complained to one of his legal team that Janine was lying, and was not being challenged. The response (remember, this is from his own team)
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Corinne Mitchell - 26th March 2010
“There was a murder in Dalkeith. L&B had many people coming forward to give them information ( I know because they have come and told me) and what do they do?.......tell them to go away!!!!! then arrest a 14yr old boy.
‘There was a murder in Dalkeith’ *&^^&
Who was Corinne Mitchell referring to about allegedly being told to ‘go away’ - fantasist Scott Forbes
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Corinne Mitchell - 8th April 2010
“Also, you cannot imagine our disbelief when findlay dropped falconer and kane at the appeal. We certainly did not see THAT one coming. But like I said before findlay did not share things with us mere mortals!!!!
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Of particular concern were dishonest claims that I had previously misled individuals whose cases were highlighted in a book I had written, by leading them to believe I was collecting their stories for a PhD study. Because of my concerns about this aspect of the hate campaign, I had retrieved all the written consents of the people whose stories I had previously covered, but realised that to show them to individuals who may have expressed doubts about participation in this study could have been construed as attempts to influence decisions on whether to participate or not, so a decision was taken that should anyone wish to withdraw, on the basis of internet claims, then that decision would be respected without question. No-one who agreed to participate in the semi-structured interview part of the survey asked to be removed, and feedback from those who had seen the internet claims was positive and encouraging, with assurances that most people knew that the claims were dishonest.
Corinne Mitchell - 9th April 2010
“oh dear! You have no intentions of reading "No Smoke"........what is your problem with Sandra Lean....every single one of your posts slate her.
She didn't write a novel....Everything in the book is from documents,statements, court hearings etc.etc. Lets be honest here big wullie.....your just miffed because you're not in it.
It wasn’t though was it Sandra Lean
More lies from Corinne Mitchell
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And yet more lies from Corinne Mitchell
9th April 2010
"No smoke"....well I'm not reading the same reviews as you then!The reviews I read were excellent and complimentary. It also comes recommended by the c.c.r.c.!......cant get much higher than that then!
“Sandra received an e~mail from a female saying the c.c.r.c. had recommended her book and could she get a copy.
Phone them.......don,t phone them......why are you making it such a mission. Why does this affect you both that much.???????
9th April 2010
“The answer to your question is no, the Commission does not recommend this book to its applicants.
Justin Hawkins
Head of Communication
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Corinne Mitchell - 9th April 2010
“...................maybe it was the Sccrc..........whatever! did you not read the post from checkpoint press.....LET IT GO!
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From page 177 of Sandra Leans thesis
Another family member highlights what was, to the family, an inexplicable series of events in which what was perceived to be solid, tangible evidence was never followed up;
‘“They took a week to come forward, even though they were relatives [of the victim]... one of them had cut his hair, but they eliminated them from the enquiry within a day – the DNA results weren‟t even back. They never got the clothes they were wearing, or the bike... all of that should have been tested for forensics... just like they didn‟t get the search party‟s clothes...there were so many things we found out later – *** and *** – both of them were at the scene of the crime on the night of the murder, but the police didn‟t trace them, even though they had been told about ***, and they had ***s DNA from the start.‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years.)
Liar Sandra Lean - 10th April 2010
“…furthermore cases which have been featured in the book cannot be used for the PhD”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s290.html
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From page 177 of Sandra Leans thesis
Another family member highlights what was, to the family, an inexplicable series of events in which what was perceived to be solid, tangible evidence was never followed up;
‘“They took a week to come forward, even though they were relatives [of the victim]... one of them had cut his hair, but they eliminated them from the enquiry within a day – the DNA results weren‟t even back. They never got the clothes they were wearing, or the bike... all of that should have been tested for forensics... just like they didn‟t get the search party‟s clothes...there were so many things we found out later – *** and *** – both of them were at the scene of the crime on the night of the murder, but the police didn‟t trace them, even though they had been told about ***, and they had ***s DNA from the start.‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years.)
Sandra Lean
“Interviews for the PhD must be kept anonymous, and are a completely separate issue from any books. This is made absolutely clear to anyone who is participating in the research. Furthermore, cases which have been featured in the book cannot be used for the PhD. Again, documented evidence is available .
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2007/08 - Stephen T Manning back cover of 1st discredited book No Smoke - which is referenced throughout
Sandra Lean’s thesis
“The author is currently a PhD candidate in criminal justice at Stirling university
2007 and 2008 ‘No Smoke’ published claiming Sandra Lean was a ‘PhD candidate’
A PhD candidate is someone who has completed all of the required coursework and has successfully passed their qualifying exams
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Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - beginning p.108)
Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question,
*&^^&
In reality - many of the Mitchell’s lies, along with the lies Sandra Lean was repeating and the stories Sandra Lean was concocting, were being exposed
What ‘developments’ was Sandra Lean referring to?
There were no ‘developments’!
Sandra Lean was being caught out, as was the innocence fraud
Sandra Lean - April 2010
Teasing the Animals This phrase was lightheartedly used by me twice in private emails
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s290.html
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
You know you're rattling cages when people resort to personal attacks and lies. Gives me a warm glow!!!!
8:06 PM · Jun 3, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1135623855916158977
Sandra Lean (Excerpts from Feb 2012 dissertation - Page 104)
Again, given the manner in which the study was conducted (travelling in a camper van to keep costs down)
In 2010 Sandra Lean and unconvicted baby killer Billy Middleton travelled from Scotland to England in an old red post office van, NOT a ‘camper van’!
The old red post office van had had the seats ripped out of the back of it and a make shift seating/bed area was put in place of the post office seats
Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton had a twisted reciprocal relationship
After being assaulted by Billy Middleton (Nov 2010) and finding him in a street in Edinburgh somewhere ‘covered in blood’ Sandra Lean and her youngest adult daughter apparently gave Billy Middleton money for him to travel back to Shetland
And after Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton’s romantic relationship came to an end and after the incident(s) in Dalkeith/Edinburgh Sandra Lean entered into a partnership with Billy Middleton and the WAP ‘org’
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Sandra Lean
“Interviews for the PhD must be kept anonymous, and are a completely separate issue from any books. This is made absolutely clear to anyone who is participating in the research. Furthermore, cases which have been featured in the book cannot be used for the PhD. Again, documented evidence is available .
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What exactly does this ‘documented evidence’ state ?
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Part 18g Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
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Part 18g Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
The psychopathic mass murderer, who Sandra Lean carried a photograph of during a protest in Edinburgh in December 2008 was represented by Alan Dershowitz (OJ) and Michael Mansfield (Simon Hall) on appeal
August 2001
‘Mr Mansfield, well known for his work on behalf of the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four and more recently for representing Jill Dando's killer Barry George, is one of eight lawyers working on the appeal.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/09/lockerbie.rebeccaallison
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ page 186 under the heading ‘Expert and ‘scientific’ evidence’
‘When the defence team is expected to cross-examine evidence introduced by prosecution experts, then, very often, that evidence has already been selected or influenced by investigating officers, and precise instructions given to the experts as to what to test/analyse/ comment upon. For example, one accused person explained that the scene had been cleared by the time the expert witness who was eventually used in court was asked to give a report.64
But, as the accused person in this case points out, this was not the only expert report provided during the investigation:
“They get an answer, and the initial answer is...probably accidental, then they got another one...who was a little bit higher up the chain, and he says the same, so they go and get another one... all of a sudden, these two fires have come into play, but he‟s still saying one started as a result of the other, so it‟s still accidental, so they go away and get another one - they just keep getting another one an another one and another one until they get the answer they want. And once they‟ve got the answer they want, then that‟s the expert – everyone else was talking rubbish.‟
(accused, acquitted at trial)
64: The case involved the death of a child in a house fire, and the police officer who showed the expert around told him that a “paper taper‟ had been found. The expert then produced his report on the basis of this information. Fortunately, for this accused person, the defence team noticed this anomaly, and had an expert report prepared, including photographs, which had not been available to the other expert, proving that the so-called taper had, in fact, been an envelope lying flat on the surface of a printer.
Funding for so many reports for a defence team would almost certainly not be approved, highlighting the inequality inherent in the funding process, an inequality which is not apparent to wrongly accused individuals and their families, or to the wider public. The accused in the above case was acquitted on a “not proven‟ verdict, and one of the criticisms later levelled (by those who believe the not proven verdict is not indicative of innocence) was that the defence solicitors “did not even call their own experts.‟
Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend 👆🏽un-convicted baby killer, sexual deviant and predator Billy Middleton
Un-convicted baby killer and scammer Billy Middleton referred to in Part 18g
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%EF%B8%8F/
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ beginning from page 258
”The discovery that not only their own legal teams, but appeal court judges and other authorities, may be making deals behind the scenes, was a source of deep distress and resentment for some families. In some cases, it was a trade off of evidential issues, whereas in others, agreements regarding procedural issues were taken with the full knowledge of the defence team, but without reference to the convicted person or their family members;
“As far as I know, there was an agreement that, should it be found that the trial was not legitimate, you know, that the evidence was all wrong, he would get a re-trial, not his freedom. So that was the agreement and that was what happened. They sent him back to prison to wait for his re-trial... what I didn‟t realise was the amount of collusion going on between the authorities and his legal team ...there was this multi-agency organisation that wanted to put *** under their eye if he was released... his legal team had obviously been liaising with the police...‟
(family member, accused convicted, acquitted at re-trial after serving 8 years)
Although this person was cleared at re-trial, an arrangement had been made behind the scenes to place him on probation, and under surveillance (even though, legally, on acquittal, he had the right to be presumed innocent), and his own legal team had arranged for him to be taken away to a bail hostel on his release, without informing either the client or his family that they were doing so.
👆🏽Fantasist and innocence fraudster Michelle Diskin Bates
“even though, legally, on acquittal, he had the right to be presumed innocent” ~ Sandra Lean
No he didn’t!
Jill Dando’s killer never proved his actual, factual innocence following his first trial - ‘legally’ he failed to undermine all the evidence which led to his conviction
“Although this person was cleared at re-trial” ~ Sandra Lean
Wrong again!
He wasn’t ‘cleared at re-trial’ he was found not guilty!
Murderer, serial stalker and sexual predator Barry George still posed/poses a dangerous risk to women, hence the need for MAPPA restrictions
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ page 186 under the heading ‘Expert and ‘scientific’ evidence’
‘“They get an answer, and the initial answer is...probably accidental, then they got another one...who was a little bit higher up the chain, and he says the same, so they go and get another one... all of a sudden, these two fires have come into play, but he‟s still saying one started as a result of the other, so it‟s still accidental, so they go away and get another one - they just keep getting another one an another one and another one until they get the answer they want. And once they‟ve got the answer they want, then that‟s the expert – everyone else was talking rubbish.‟
(accused, acquitted at trial)
Not in this case it wasn’t !
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ page 186 under the heading ‘Expert and ‘scientific’ evidence’
‘When the defence team is expected to cross-examine evidence introduced by prosecution experts, then, very often, that evidence has already been selected or influenced by investigating officers, and precise instructions given to the experts as to what to test/analyse/ comment upon. For example, one accused person explained that the scene had been cleared by the time the expert witness who was eventually used in court was asked to give a report.64
But, as the accused person in this case points out, this was not the only expert report provided during the investigation:
“They get an answer, and the initial answer is...probably accidental, then they got another one...who was a little bit higher up the chain, and he says the same, so they go and get another one... all of a sudden, these two fires have come into play, but he‟s still saying one started as a result of the other, so it‟s still accidental, so they go away and get another one - they just keep getting another one an another one and another one until they get the answer they want. And once they‟ve got the answer they want, then that‟s the expert – everyone else was talking rubbish.‟
(accused, acquitted at trial)
64: The case involved the death of a child in a house fire, and the police officer who showed the expert around told him that a “paper taper‟ had been found. The expert then produced his report on the basis of this information. Fortunately, for this accused person, the defence team noticed this anomaly, and had an expert report prepared, including photographs, which had not been available to the other expert, proving that the so-called taper had, in fact, been an envelope lying flat on the surface of a printer.
Funding for so many reports for a defence team would almost certainly not be approved, highlighting the inequality inherent in the funding process, an inequality which is not apparent to wrongly accused individuals and their families, or to the wider public. The accused in the above case was acquitted on a “not proven‟ verdict, and one of the criticisms later levelled (by those who believe the not proven verdict is not indicative of innocence) was that the defence solicitors “did not even call their own experts.‟
Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend 👆🏽un-convicted baby killer, sexual deviant and predator Billy Middleton
Un-convicted baby killer and scammer Billy Middleton referred to in Part 18g
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%EF%B8%8F/
Excerpt from Page 367 of Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’
“Arrangements will be made to provide links (telephone numbers, addresses, web addresses) to support organisations and mechanisms for prisoners and families who participate in the study (for example, Miscarriages of Justice Organisation (MOJO,) Wrongly Accused Persons Organisation, Innocent, etc), in the event that participation causes distress.
*&^^&
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Excerpt from page 370 of Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’
“1. General Responsibilities
vi) correct any misrepresentations
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Part 18g Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
UPDATED 👆🏽
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Part 18g Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
Part 18h Continued Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked With Immediate Effect!
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
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Un-convicted baby killer and scammer Billy Middleton referred to in Part 18g
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%EF%B8%8F/
How many aliases did spammer Billy Middleton have *&^^&
Road2Justice = Billy Middleton
http://road2justice10.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/todays-walk-free-in-support-of-danny.html
https://www.legalcube.org/wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk
Legalcube.org ?
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FF really tops the bill with the most user names, he even has conversations between himself playing different parts - Shakes one head!
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Part 18h Continued Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked With Immediate Effect!
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
Part 18i Partners In Crime: Abusers Sandra Lean & Billy Middleton & The WAP Org
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/further-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-part-18i%ef%b8%8f/
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The psychopathic mass murderer, who Sandra Lean carried a photograph of during a protest in Edinburgh in December 2008 was represented by Alan Dershowitz (OJ) and Michael Mansfield (Simon Hall) on appeal
August 2001
“Dershowitz wrote in The Scotsman newspaper on Wednesday that he had become concerned that the legal standards of proof of Al-Megrahi's guilt had not been met.
He said he also feared "the wrong man may well have been convicted of the crime and the real mass murderer may not have been charged".
Mansfield -- a high profile British lawyer -- is also helping the defence team. Earlier this year he defended the man convicted of killing TV presented Jill Dando and previously he led the appeal that led to the Birmingham Six -- who were wrongly convicted of a 1970s IRA bombing on the UK mainland -- being freed.
But Susan Cohen of New Jersey, whose daughter was one of those killed in the bombing, accused the lawyers of spreading propaganda on behalf of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.
"As a victim of terrorism, I feel personally betrayed because Dershowitz passes himself off as the hero of victims of terrorism. He is just the opposite," Reuters news agency quoted her as saying.
https://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/08/08/lockerbie.lawyers/index.html
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ beginning from page 258
”The discovery that not only their own legal teams, but appeal court judges and other authorities, may be making deals behind the scenes, was a source of deep distress and resentment for some families. In some cases, it was a trade off of evidential issues, whereas in others, agreements regarding procedural issues were taken with the full knowledge of the defence team, but without reference to the convicted person or their family members;
“As far as I know, there was an agreement that, should it be found that the trial was not legitimate, you know, that the evidence was all wrong, he would get a re-trial, not his freedom. So that was the agreement and that was what happened. They sent him back to prison to wait for his re-trial... what I didn‟t realise was the amount of collusion going on between the authorities and his legal team ...there was this multi-agency organisation that wanted to put *** under their eye if he was released... his legal team had obviously been liaising with the police...‟
(family member, accused convicted, acquitted at re-trial after serving 8 years)
Although this person was cleared at re-trial, an arrangement had been made behind the scenes to place him on probation, and under surveillance (even though, legally, on acquittal, he had the right to be presumed innocent), and his own legal team had arranged for him to be taken away to a bail hostel on his release, without informing either the client or his family that they were doing so.
👆🏽Fantasist and innocence fraudster Michelle Diskin Bates
Excerpt from page 137 of Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’
“The practise of getting close relatives to sign statements very early in the proceedings, which would render those relatives “prosecution witnesses,‟ was widespread. Only one interviewee (family member) in this study refused to give a statement to police in these circumstances; she had come to the attention of police relatively late in proceedings, and had taken legal advice. She says:
“They asked me to give a statement that would help ***, they called it a character statement, and it turned out it would have been a witness statement, but I didn‟t know that until I spoke to ***‟s legal advisor, and he told me not to do it... what they had called it was not what it would have been... and they told me that it was to help ***- they were very clear on that – “You would like to help your brother, wouldn‟t you?‟
(Family member, accused convicted, conviction overturned on appeal)
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UPDATED Part 18g Sandra Lean’s Fabricated PhD Should Be Revoked!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
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Excerpt from page 137 of Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’
“The practise of getting close relatives to sign statements very early in the proceedings, which would render those relatives “prosecution witnesses,‟ was widespread. Only one interviewee (family member) in this study refused to give a statement to police in these circumstances; she had come to the attention of police relatively late in proceedings, and had taken legal advice. She says:
“They asked me to give a statement that would help ***, they called it a character statement, and it turned out it would have been a witness statement, but I didn‟t know that until I spoke to ***‟s legal advisor, and he told me not to do it... what they had called it was not what it would have been... and they told me that it was to help ***- they were very clear on that – “You would like to help your brother, wouldn‟t you?‟
(Family member, accused convicted, conviction overturned on appeal)
Don’t believe the police said this to Michelle Diskin Bates !
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George Fergie
Good morning guys
Just sitting thinking there
Hopefully this will be Luke’s last Christmas behind bars
Hopefully by next Christmas he’s out and enjoying christmas with his family
Ronnie Mothersole
Does anyone know where superintendent Dobbie is staying
I would like to send him a Christmas card
Ronnie Mothersole
Yes correct Luke will be changing places with the Jones family and superintendent Dobbie when I say swap I don't mean an exact swap the females of Jones family will go to f- hill And the males will be spread around the country The will be on the Numbers for ever
I will personally make sure that they stay on the numbers
Latest On Tom Halliday, Pathetic ‘Mr Big’ Ronnie Mothersole & Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/21/killer-luke-mitchell-latest-on-tom-halliday-mr-big-ron-m/
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21 Years Ago today Joan Albert, who lived in Capel St Mary, Suffolk, was found ‘brutally’ murdered.
Her killer, & his enablers (which included Sandra Lean), set about attempting to cover up his murder.
What followed was an 11 1/2 year innocence fraud phenomenon scam/hoax
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-1-%EF%B8%8F/
Joan Albert’s psychopathic killer spent the rest of the day, following his ‘brutal’ murder, with his adoptive parents Lynne and Phil Hall and their family members.
The three of them drove to Lincolnshire’s Rochford Hall for a Christmas family meal
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-2%EF%B8%8F/
According to Lynne Hall, her adoptive psychopathic killer son ”appeared to enjoy our family day and was his usual entertaining self’
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-3-%EF%B8%8F/
Detective Chief Inspector Dave Cole said of the murder of Joan Albert;
“A degree of violence has been used and there are signs of a forced entry. It is a horrific attack and one which is out of nature for a place like Capel”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-4-%EF%B8%8F/
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George Fergie
Good morning guys
Just sitting thinking there
Hopefully this will be Luke’s last Christmas behind bars
Hopefully by next Christmas he’s out and enjoying christmas with his family
Ronnie Mothersole
Does anyone know where superintendent Dobbie is staying
I would like to send him a Christmas card
Ronnie Mothersole
Yes correct Luke will be changing places with the Jones family and superintendent Dobbie when I say swap I don't mean an exact swap the females of Jones family will go to f- hill And the males will be spread around the country The will be on the Numbers for ever
I will personally make sure that they stay on the numbers
Latest On Tom Halliday, Pathetic ‘Mr Big’ Ronnie Mothersole & Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/21/killer-luke-mitchell-latest-on-tom-halliday-mr-big-ron-m/
I think the police should be paying this Ronnie a visit.
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I think the police should be paying this Ronnie a visit.
Suspect he’s known by the police and prison service
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Witchdoctor Lean is now claiming on FB that Mitchell has a solicitor working on his case. Surely no one is that daft, unless it is Scott Beltrami-Forbes in which case that's another lie as he isn't qualified.
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Witchdoctor Lean is now claiming on FB that Mitchell has a solicitor working on his case. Surely no one is that daft, unless it is Scott Beltrami-Forbes in which case that's another lie as he isn't qualified.
Interesting times ahead methinks.
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Witchdoctor Lean is now claiming on FB that Mitchell has a solicitor working on his case. Surely no one is that daft, unless it is Scott Beltrami-Forbes in which case that's another lie as he isn't qualified.
Dangerous, psychopath killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell could have ten solicitors working on his case - he wont be going anywhere anytime soon
“A murder squad of more than 20 detectives was formed yesterday. A sexual motive for the murder has not been ruled out
“..police family liaison officers were assigned to Jodi's family and her boyfriend.
“Det Supt Dobbie said there was a "distinct chance" her murderer would have blood-stained clothing.
He appealed for anyone who had used the path on Monday evening to come forward. "I am interested in anyone who was using the walkway between 5pm and 10pm to come forward, because they may hold vital information for this inquiry - who they saw, what have they heard”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jul/02/childprotection.society
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Interesting times ahead methinks.
What will happen is SL & SF will whip up their cult followers with teases of new evidence, finger pointing deflection and police corruption. Maybe another online petition of 25,000 which is 0.05% of the population. He's going nowhere.
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What will happen is SL & SF will whip up their cult followers with teases of new evidence, finger pointing deflection and police corruption. Maybe another online petition of 25,000 which is 0.05% of the population. He's going nowhere.
Thankfully you and your ilk aren’t the arbiters of that. Best let the law do it’s thing.
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I'm happy for the law to do it's thing just like it has the last 19 years.
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I'm happy for the law to do it's thing just like it has the last 19 years.
Fingers crossed then.
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UPDATED Partners In Crime: Abusers Sandra Lean & Billy Middleton & The WAP Org
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/further-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-part-18i%ef%b8%8f/
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UPDATED Partners In Crime: Abusers Sandra Lean & Billy Middleton & The WAP Org
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/further-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-part-18i%ef%b8%8f/
Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)
“Simon appeared cheerful..
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Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)
“Simon appeared cheerful..
And it appears none of the ‘so called professional’s’ (many of who worked for or within HM prison services) recognised or addressed psychopathic killer Simon Hall’s manipulation and the very real innocence fraud phenomenon and the large volume of people involved in this fraud (over many years)
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Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)
“Simon appeared cheerful..
And it appears none of the ‘so called professional’s’ (many of who worked for or within HM prison services) recognised or addressed psychopathic killer Simon Hall’s manipulation and the very real innocence fraud phenomenon and the large volume of people involved in this fraud (over many years)
This is the level of intellect demonstrated back in Jul/Aug 2013
7th August 2013 - some notes of case review
Notes begin with:
“Further discussion was had in respect of the essence of Mr Hall’s constant watch
If a member of staff is with Mr Hall 24 hours a day and he smokes there is the consideration of passive smoke to the staff member and this would be treated as non-compliance by Mr Hall
It was agreed that Mr Hall go on a constant watch and that Mr Hall may not like this, as he has expressed in the past that he found it very intrusive
“Mr Hall has apologised to some people for lying to them about his innocence
“The radio and local TV will pick up on this story and we believe it is possible in a day or two the national papers will also pick up on it. Once the story is released to the EADT tomorrow the other papers will pick up on it.
We don’t know what Colin Adwent, EADT may write as he has previously been a supporter of Mr Hall an as such it is not possible to gauge what may be written in local newspapers
Stephanie is possibly feeling quite humiliated regarding the entries on the Justice for Hall website which have not been complimentary and how will they affect Mr Hall”
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Did un-convicted baby killer, sexual deviant, con-artist and abuser Billy Middelton seek legal advice before naming the woman he sexually assaulted/abused ?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:11 am http://simplybillymiddleton.myfreeforum.org/ftopic9-0.php
"For reasons only known to themselves the police never interviewed either myself or Kareen's counsellor whom she was seeing regarding unresolved issues from her childhood and also the difficulties she was experiencing within her own relationship with Billy. She told her counsellor everything.
However, following the trial Kareen's solicitor did take a statement from her counsellor. That is why Billy never fought to see the kids. His lies would be exposed before his family and he couldn't let that happen.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712
The 👆🏽same man who con-artist Sandra Lean claimed threatened her in front of her youngest adult daughter
The same man who Sandra Lean (and her daughter) claimed to find in a street in Edinburgh in the early hours of the morning with his face ‘covered in blood’
The same man who Sandra Lean claimed left smouldering cigarette’s in her ashtrays at night
The same Sandra Lean who said she was concerned what his sister and parents would say when they saw the cuts and bruises on his face when he returned to Lerwick
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21 Years Ago today Joan Albert, who lived in Capel St Mary, Suffolk, was found ‘brutally’ murdered.
Her killer, & his enablers (which included Sandra Lean), set about attempting to cover up his murder.
What followed was an 11 1/2 year innocence fraud phenomenon scam/hoax
👇
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-1-%EF%B8%8F/
Joan Albert’s psychopathic killer spent the rest of the day, following his ‘brutal’ murder, with his adoptive parents Lynne and Phil Hall and their family members.
The three of them drove to Lincolnshire’s Rochford Hall for a Christmas family meal
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-2%EF%B8%8F/
According to Lynne Hall, her adoptive psychopathic killer son ”appeared to enjoy our family day and was his usual entertaining self’
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-3-%EF%B8%8F/
Detective Chief Inspector Dave Cole said of the murder of Joan Albert;
“A degree of violence has been used and there are signs of a forced entry. It is a horrific attack and one which is out of nature for a place like Capel”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-4-%EF%B8%8F/
21 years ago today psychopathic killer Simon Hall went to his then girlfriends house in Colchester, Essex with the stolen CD players from the Zenith windows burglary he and Jamie Barker had carried out
The Zenith windows burglary secret
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10%ef%b8%8f/
When the mask begins to slip
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
Jamie Barker & The CCRC
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10c%ef%b8%8f/
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UPDATED Partners In Crime: Abusers Sandra Lean & Billy Middleton & The WAP Org
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/further-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-part-18i%ef%b8%8f/
FURTHER updates 👆🏽
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21 years ago today psychopathic killer Simon Hall went to his then girlfriends house in Colchester, Essex with the stolen CD players from the Zenith windows burglary he and Jamie Barker had carried out
The Zenith windows burglary secret
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/22/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10%ef%b8%8f/
When the mask begins to slip
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
Jamie Barker
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10c%ef%b8%8f/
Did Jamie Barker tell Suffolk police he committed a burglary on the day he was taken into police custody in July 2002?
And did Jamie Barker tell his mum Angela Baker he’d committed a burglary?
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“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
Utter nonsense
In reality killer Simon Hall got off on telling people (females in particular) this sort of nonsense
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Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
The large kitchen knife (From HMP Hollesley Bay kitchens) morphed into a ’cutlery’ knife
*&^^&
D-Cat prisoners in open conditions are allowed their own stainless steel knife, fork and spoon - as opposed to HMP’s plastic ones
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Did Jamie Barker tell Suffolk police he committed a burglary on the day he was taken into police custody in July 2002?
And did Jamie Barker tell his mum Angela Baker he’d committed a burglary?
Did Angela Barker know when she gave evidence during the February 2003 trial her son had committed a burglary?
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This is the level of intellect demonstrated back in Jul/Aug 2013
7th August 2013 - some notes of case review
Notes begin with:
“Further discussion was had in respect of the essence of Mr Hall’s constant watch
If a member of staff is with Mr Hall 24 hours a day and he smokes there is the consideration of passive smoke to the staff member and this would be treated as non-compliance by Mr Hall
It was agreed that Mr Hall go on a constant watch and that Mr Hall may not like this, as he has expressed in the past that he found it very intrusive
“Mr Hall has apologised to some people for lying to them about his innocence
“The radio and local TV will pick up on this story and we believe it is possible in a day or two the national papers will also pick up on it. Once the story is released to the EADT tomorrow the other papers will pick up on it.
We don’t know what Colin Adwent, EADT may write as he has previously been a supporter of Mr Hall an as such it is not possible to gauge what may be written in local newspapers
Stephanie is possibly feeling quite humiliated regarding the entries on the Justice for Hall website which have not been complimentary and how will they affect Mr Hall”
The same website where killer Simon Hall’s blog entries were published
The actual, factual guilty killer (and his 11 1/2 year innocence fraud) won’t be humiliated
*&^^&
None of this is humiliating for a killer who commits innocence fraud
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blogs-from-hmp-hollesley-bay/
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The same website where killer Simon Hall’s blog entries were published
The actual, factual guilty killer (and his 11 1/2 year innocence fraud) won’t be humiliated
*&^^&
None of this is humiliating for a killer who commits innocence fraud
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blogs-from-hmp-hollesley-bay/
And instead of being humiliated he told people (mainly woman) about his alleged vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into his anus
*&^^&
No humiliation in that
*&^^&
No humiliation regarding an 11 1/2 year innocence fraud scam
Not one single thought for the woman he murdered or her loved ones who he tormented with his public innocence fraud hoax, enabled by numerous people who lied for him and themselves
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
4.6.18 He explained to me that he had been listening to a music tape of the ‘BMX’* band in his car. This tape featured anger, violence, and assault which, he said, ‘somehow triggered’ what happened next….
4.6.19 In this account of his lead-up to the murder, he attributed some ‘responsibility’ to this music
4.6.23 He has made reference to ‘killing his mother’, while he was stabbing his victim
*The band was DMX not BMX
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The large kitchen knife (From HMP Hollesley Bay kitchens) morphed into a ’cutlery’ knife
*&^^&
D-Cat prisoners in open conditions are allowed their own stainless steel knife, fork and spoon - as opposed to HMP’s plastic ones
On the day he admitted his factual guilt killer Simon Hall “….stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum”
The author actually put the word cutlery in brackets even though the original story was a large knife from HMP Hollesley Bay kitchens
*&^^&
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
4.6.18 He explained to me that he had been listening to a music tape of the ‘BMX’* band in his car. This tape featured anger, violence, and assault which, he said, ‘somehow triggered’ what happened next….
4.6.19 In this account of his lead-up to the murder, he attributed some ‘responsibility’ to this music
4.6.23 He has made reference to ‘killing his mother’, while he was stabbing his victim
*The band was DMX not BMX
Con-artist Sandra Lean making claims the music killer Luke Mitchell listened to didn’t contribute to his murder but an actual, factual guilty killer claiming the music he listened to did
“Make of that what you will” Sandra Lean
Sandra Lean - 2017
Dr William Long, who said his role was to assess any risk posed by Simon Hall to others, described him as "a very articulate man; good-humoured."
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383026.html#msg383026
‘“Articulate man; good humoured” and prone to alleged ‘vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus’
*&^^&
including a cutlery knife and hair clippers
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8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)
“Simon appeared cheerful..
‘Cheerful’ not humiliated
*&^^&
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
4.6.4 He stated that he became, and persisted in being, preoccupied with the ‘idea of raping someone’. This notion, he said, persisted and he drove directly to the house of the victim, with the intention of raping her in her house - he could give no coherent account as to why this elderly lady was the focus for his sexual or violent preoccupations.
His motivation for such disclosure after 11+ years is unclear, although he maintains that he had been ruminating on declaring his guilt for some months (he claims that he self harmed in January 2013 directly in response to his anguish about disclosing his responsibility).
4.6.8 In each of my contacts/meetings with him at HMP & YOI Hollesley Bay and at HMP Wayland I have habitually reviewed our previous contact, and its content, and his previous accounts/disclosures with him.
4.6.9 His response to such reviews has sometimes prompted him to withdraw some comments/allegations he had earlier made; for example, regarding his mother. In this context he had earlier disclosed that his mother had ‘exposed herself’ to him ‘on 3 or 4 occasions’ when he was an adolescent (under 16), and that he had had sexual intercourse with his mother ‘on several occasions’ at her instigation when he had been an adolescent
4.6.10 In the process of reviewing these comments/disclosures in subsequent contacts Mr Hall had partially, and then wholly, withdrawn these, insisting that he had been lying about sexual contact with, or from, his mother
I make reference to this because this reviewing process with him of his disclosure also included particularly (and with some emphasis) his account of his motivation for the murder (and his rape thoughts) regarding Mrs Albert.
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
“Mr Hall married in prison in 2007/08 to the woman who, before and since, presented as his champion to the media, the prison system and others, putting forward the case for his innocence and his ‘wrongful imprisonment’.
Bill Long conflated Stephanie Bon and Stephanie (Hall)
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
“Mr Hall married in prison in 2007/08 to the woman who, before and since, presented as his champion to the media, the prison system and others, putting forward the case for his innocence and his ‘wrongful imprisonment’.
Bill Long conflated Stephanie Bon and Stephanie (Hall)
Bill Long omits to mention Lynne and Phil Hall, Shaun Hall, Jamie Barker, Stephanie Bon, Michael Naughton, Bristol university students, Scott Lomax, Sandra Lean, Billy Middleton, Michael Mansfield, Gabe Tan, Campbell Malone, Corenna Platt, Keir Starmer, Louise Shorter, David McCorkle, Tiernan Coyle, the criminal cases review commission and numerous others involved in the innocence fraud PR campaign and them championing his ‘innocence’ and his wrongful imprisonment’
and zero responsibility lies with killer Simon Hall
The 2007 rough justice TV show is written out of the narrative
Forensic psychologist Bill Long lied and re-wrote history - as did many others
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John Halley Advocate
@AdvocateHalley
Replying to
@AuldM
@GlasgowAdvocate
and 6 others
And this was broadcast? What forensic interviewing knowledge did
@jamesmatthewsky
have? What about an apology from him and
@SkyNews
for this deplorable interview which clearly violates empirically demonstrated principles of developmentally appropriate questioning for adolescents?
7:01 PM · Dec 17, 2022
https://twitter.com/AdvocateHalley/status/1604190175696920577
John Halley Advocate
@AdvocateHalley
Replying to
@AdvocateHalley
@AuldM
and 8 others
E.G:
researchgate.net
(PDF) Testimony and Interrogation of Minors: Assumptions About Maturity and Morality
PDF | This article examines the legal histories and social contexts of testimony and interrogation involving minors, developmental research on... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on...
7:05 PM · Dec 17, 2022
John Halley quoting a bad example using the innocence fraud case of the Central Park 5
Link to article here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7062342_Testimony_and_Interrogation_of_Minors_Assumptions_About_Maturity_and_Morality
Larry Elder’s latest video on this innocence fraud case of the Central Park 5 worth a listen
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https://youtu.be/hwRQztpF6qU
And also worth watching each of the police interviews - which can be found here
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https://centralpark5joggerattackers.com/videos/
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
“Mr Hall married in prison in 2007/08 to the woman who, before and since, presented as his champion to the media, the prison system and others, putting forward the case for his innocence and his ‘wrongful imprisonment’.
Bill Long conflated Stephanie Bon and Stephanie (Hall)
This is a lie as it never happened!
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Bill (William) Long - psych assessment/report - November 2013
“Mr Hall married in prison in 2007/08 to the woman who, before and since, presented as his champion to the media, the prison system and others, putting forward the case for his innocence and his ‘wrongful imprisonment’.
Bill Long conflated Stephanie Bon and Stephanie (Hall)
Bill Long also omits any and all psychology abuse and harm caused by killer Simon Hall’s actions (murder) and 11 1/2 year long innocence fraud and fraudulent PR campaign
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John Halley Advocate
@AdvocateHalley
Replying to
@AuldM
@GlasgowAdvocate
and 6 others
And this was broadcast? What forensic interviewing knowledge did
@jamesmatthewsky
have? What about an apology from him and
@SkyNews
for this deplorable interview which clearly violates empirically demonstrated principles of developmentally appropriate questioning for adolescents?
7:01 PM · Dec 17, 2022
https://twitter.com/AdvocateHalley/status/1604190175696920577
John Halley Advocate
@AdvocateHalley
Replying to
@AdvocateHalley
@AuldM
and 8 others
E.G:
researchgate.net
(PDF) Testimony and Interrogation of Minors: Assumptions About Maturity and Morality
PDF | This article examines the legal histories and social contexts of testimony and interrogation involving minors, developmental research on... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on...
7:05 PM · Dec 17, 2022
John Halley quoting a bad example using the innocence fraud case of the Central Park 5
Link to article here https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7062342_Testimony_and_Interrogation_of_Minors_Assumptions_About_Maturity_and_Morality
Larry Elder’s latest video on this innocence fraud case of the Central Park 5 worth a listen
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https://youtu.be/hwRQztpF6qU
And also worth watching each of the police interviews - which can be found here
👇
https://centralpark5joggerattackers.com/videos/
The most interesting part is the blanking of Auld Nicks fantasy! With 'I don't believe there was not a thread of evidence' a close second. Finger in the pie Lean showing face.
There is no combatting the evidence around that Sky interview - Fully actioned and sanctioned by the Mitchells at a time they thought they were in the clear. I mean, how were they know it would all come back to bite them on the a**e. Cock sure and proudly displaying those feathers fully believing his alibi and lack of forensics had sealed that deal for him. Making the day of his victims funeral something he had to be a part of.
They (AD's on Twitter) can give advice and links until the cows come home around child capacity and so forth, legal rights etc etc etc - Done to death already, they bring nothing new to the table.
Dam that parka. - Two friends in Woodburn, a coat taken to eliminate it from the enquiry, to make sure it was NOT the one worn by Mitchell that day. "Hidden" yet another joke. KC one friend who testified to knives and cannabis. LW the other who's house Mitchell spent most of his days in after the murder. Dam right they were of interest where Mitchell was concerned, no different to his fathers house. That jacket without a doubt in their statements - But the fans of Auld Nick in his many guises will soak it up as meaningful, the intellectually inept and that is inclusive of Auld Nick and Lean.
Outstanding work by the police, holding on to absolutely everything for all these years. That list split into three in reality. We have that by the police/Crown of insignificant value needs not be disclosed. We then have the schedule of used and unused fully disclosed. Everything retained way past the legal threshold. - Work of hiding anything? Have a word.
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The most interesting part is the blanking of Auld Nicks fantasy! With 'I don't believe there was not a thread of evidence' a close second. Finger in the pie Lean showing face.
There is no combatting the evidence around that Sky interview - Fully actioned and sanctioned by the Mitchells at a time they thought they were in the clear. I mean, how were they know it would all come back to bite them on the a**e. Cock sure and proudly displaying those feathers fully believing his alibi and lack of forensics had sealed that deal for him. Making the day of his victims funeral something he had to be a part of.
They (AD's on Twitter) can give advice and links until the cows come home around child capacity and so forth, legal rights etc etc etc - Done to death already, they bring nothing new to the table.
Dam that parka. - Two friends in Woodburn, a coat taken to eliminate it from the enquiry, to make sure it was NOT the one worn by Mitchell that day. "Hidden" yet another joke. KC one friend who testified to knives and cannabis. LW the other who's house Mitchell spent most of his days in after the murder. Dam right they were of interest where Mitchell was concerned, no different to his fathers house. That jacket without a doubt in their statements - But the fans of Auld Nick in his many guises will soak it up as meaningful, the intellectually inept and that is inclusive of Auld Nick and Lean.
Outstanding work by the police, holding on to absolutely everything for all these years. That list split into three in reality. We have that by the police/Crown of insignificant value needs not be disclosed. We then have the schedule of used and unused fully disclosed. Everything retained way past the legal threshold. - Work of hiding anything? Have a word.
“Luke Mitchell, who gave the interview on 3 September last year, told the interviewer he had been asked by Jodi's family to stay away from the funeral.
He said: "That was a hard blow. I was dreading going to the funeral but I did want to go and being told not to go, due to the fact it will turn the funeral into a media circus, was bad.
"It would have been a media circus without me but if it's the family's wishes, that's what I was going to do." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4137755.stm
He didn’t though did he
Double binds, boundary violations - and that’s just from Corinne Mitchell
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And instead of being humiliated he told people (mainly woman) about his alleged vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into his anus
*&^^&
No humiliation in that
*&^^&
No humiliation regarding an 11 1/2 year innocence fraud scam
Not one single thought for the woman he murdered or her loved ones who he tormented with his public innocence fraud hoax, enabled by numerous people who lied for him and themselves
Was it mentioned that during some of these disclosures killer Simon Hall claimed to have had an erection
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And instead of being humiliated he told people (mainly woman) about his alleged vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into his anus
*&^^&
No humiliation in that
*&^^&
No humiliation regarding an 11 1/2 year innocence fraud scam
Not one single thought for the woman he murdered or her loved ones who he tormented with his public innocence fraud hoax, enabled by numerous people who lied for him and themselves
And then there are the con-artists like Sandra Lean who attempts to dupe, deceive and exploit anyone who listens to her
Have barely scratched the surface on the innocence fraud
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Outstanding work by the police, holding on to absolutely everything for all these years. That list split into three in reality. We have that by the police/Crown of insignificant value needs not be disclosed. We then have the schedule of used and unused fully disclosed. Everything retained way past the legal threshold. - Work of hiding anything? Have a word.
What is being hidden is killer Luke Mitchell’s dangerousness and his cold, deceitful and manipulative character
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What is being hidden is killer Luke Mitchell’s dangerousness and his cold, deceitful and manipulative character
And it’s possible prison staff could be enabling him like in the case of killer Simon Hall
The following was written by an offender supervisor re SH in 2013
“He does not appear to be manipulating the system or staff”
He had manipulated ‘the system and staff’ for around 11 1/2 years
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
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And it’s possible prison staff could be enabling him like in the case of killer Simon Hall
The following was written by an offender supervisor re SH in 2013
“He does not appear to be manipulating the system or staff”
He had manipulated ‘the system and staff’ for around 11 1/2 years
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
And not long after Lynne Hall’s interview with the media in which she stated;
“I’m absolutely shocked because I know he is innocent and I still believe he is.
“But it’s the system. If he had pleaded guilty in the beginning, he would be home now.
“I know he has been really low and in hospital recently. He’s given up.”
“I believe he feels he can’t take any more after all the fight he has put up and how brave he has been”[/color]
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21734522.capel-st-mary-simon-halls-mothers-shock-murder-confession/
Killer Simon Hall’s offender supervisor stated;
“He attempted to contact his wife two weeks ago and obviously she wants nothing to do with him. He has also contacted his mother who has also told him the same thing.
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The following was written by an offender supervisor re SH in 2013
“He does not appear to be manipulating the system or staff”
He had manipulated ‘the system and staff’ for around 11 1/2 years
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/11/quite-a-hall-tale-part-10b%ef%b8%8f/
Killer Simon Hall and his prison solicitor fabricated a Guittard application
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-6th-february-2013/
Prison solicitor David McCorkle attempted to contact killer Simon Hall around this time - presumably concerned about said fabricated Guittard application (which I had objected to at the time ie; the fabrications)
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Killer Simon Hall and his prison solicitor fabricated a Guittard application
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-6th-february-2013/
Prison solicitor David McCorkle attempted to contact killer Simon Hall around this time - presumably concerned about said fabricated Guittard application (which I had objected to at the time ie; the fabrications)
Killer Simon Hall - February 2013
“My Mum is too sly for that though and other people do her dirty work for her, like Shaun for example. She’s the expert puppet master, pulling strings and controlling people with her crocodile tears and guilt trips”
“People should know that of all of you I am the most sane at the moment”
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Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I apologise for making a post (above) which did not address the thread topic.
My understanding of the Hall case is weak, and am rather improving that understanding by following recents posts on the case and its personalities.
It seems an interesting case, given that it is accepted by some that its circumstantial arguments so depend on what is said about particular fibres; that if that evidence fails, then the whole case falls.
That would be an interesting conception to get into play. Namely that circumstantial prosecutions can have lynch-pin presumptions and intrepretations; such that circumstantially gained convictions can be overturned across identifying and discrediting that lynch pin evidence. So it would contribute to building-up a tool-box of instruments that can be employed to deconstruct circumstantial prosecutions.
colin
Does Colin Bowman no longer post on the forums?
Would be interested to hear his take on the personalities involved in killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
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Killer Simon Hall and his prison solicitor fabricated a Guittard application
Sandra Lean fabricated her ‘thesis’ also
”Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question, which may have had some impact on those who had initially expressed an interest in participating in the study failing to respond to later attempts at contact. As a result of these events, and the unregulated manner in which sites were operated, the lies and malicious comments escalated fairly quickly into threats, both veiled and blatant. ~ Sandra Lean
These events raised several issues regarding the whole approach to the study, and the effects of these events on my abilities to maintain an impartial and unbiased approach to data collection and analysis.
In reality guilty killer Luke Mitchell and Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud was being exposed, which demonstrated Sandra Lean had zero integrity and could not be trusted but Stirling university failed to recognise and address this fact.
Sandra Lean told numerous lies about many cases and individual’s and the ‘internet “hate campaign” she mentioned was her own aimed at other people, in which she attempted to discredit many people, especially those who saw through her and her former boyfriend and co-director un-convicted baby killer, sexual deviant, con-artist and abuser Billy Middleton.
And contrary to what Sandra Lean wrote in her thesis (and online) Sandra Lean was not only unable to remain impartial her entire approach to re-examining murder cases was biased in favour of the disturbed and dangerous killers (and other criminals – convicted/or un-convicted) she deeply desired to free from prison and or exonerate – Or portray those individuals who had stood trial and been found ‘not proven’, as innocent victims of a criminal justice system run amok.
Above excerpts taken from following blog
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
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Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I apologise for making a post (above) which did not address the thread topic.
My understanding of the Hall case is weak, and am rather improving that understanding by following recents posts on the case and its personalities.
It seems an interesting case, given that it is accepted by some that its circumstantial arguments so depend on what is said about particular fibres; that if that evidence fails, then the whole case falls.
That would be an interesting conception to get into play. Namely that circumstantial prosecutions can have lynch-pin presumptions and intrepretations; such that circumstantially gained convictions can be overturned across identifying and discrediting that lynch pin evidence. So it would contribute to building-up a tool-box of instruments that can be employed to deconstruct circumstantial prosecutions.
colin
Does Colin Bowman no longer post on the forums?
Would be interested to hear his take on the personalities involved in killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I now intend to openly protect the forums and the people who make this argument on behalf of Luke Mitchell and others. I can now see that the advancement of a strong MOJ culture and movement, takes priority over both free-speech and individual-rights. Previously I was hanging onto values of free-speech and individual-rights; but I now recognise that the advancement of a MOJ culture and movement, is going to face such obstacles, that making this project happen has to be astutely done and be protected.
*&^^&
Con-artist Sandra Lean “….the unregulated manner in which sites were operated”
”Because of developments in the above case (with which I remained involved throughout the duration of the study), an internet “hate campaign‟ emerged aiming to discredit me, personally, and the case in particular. Many lies were posted on several sites, calling my integrity and trustworthiness into question, which may have had some impact on those who had initially expressed an interest in participating in the study failing to respond to later attempts at contact. As a result of these events, and the unregulated manner in which sites were operated, the lies and malicious comments escalated fairly quickly into threats, both veiled and blatant. ~ Sandra Lean
*&^^&
In reality - it was about control
And in reality the ‘control issues’ Sandra Lean wrote about as a footnote in her fabricated ‘thesis’ were again her own
89.This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.
(Page 270 https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9834706.pdf)
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Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I now intend to openly protect the forums and the people who make this argument on behalf of Luke Mitchell and others. I can now see that the advancement of a strong MOJ culture and movement, takes priority over both free-speech and individual-rights. Previously I was hanging onto values of free-speech and individual-rights; but I now recognise that the advancement of a MOJ culture and movement, is going to face such obstacles, that making this project happen has to be astutely done and be protected.
*&^^&
Con-artist Sandra Lean “….the unregulated manner in which sites were operated”
*&^^&
In reality - it was about control
And in reality the ‘control issues’ Sandra Lean wrote about as a footnote in her fabricated ‘thesis’ were again her own
89.This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.
(Page 270 https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9834706.pdf)
“Within just a few weeks of this new arrangement taking place, Sandra Lean contacted Stephanie (Hall) one Sunday morning in November 2010 to inform her that an incident had occurred between her and Billy Middleton and her youngest adult daughter had had to intervene in order to protect her mother.
Following a night of drinking alcohol, Sandra Lean claimed that Billy Middleton had threatened her and got up in her face, so much so that Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter (who had apparently witnessed the incident) had helped pack Billy Middleton’s belongings and kicked him out of her and her mothers home.
Some hours after Billy Middleton had been forced to leave Sandra Lean’s home, he apparently contacted her via the telephone saying he was ‘lost’. At which point Sandra Lean and her youngest daughter had gone out in a motor vehicle searching for him, eventually finding Billy in a street in Edinburgh with his face evidently ‘covered in blood’.
Following this event Sandra Lean had apparently given Billy Middleton some money in order to help him travel back to his parents home in the Shetland isles as he was allegedly at this point pennyless.
It is not known why Sandra Lean chose to contact Stephanie (Hall) about the incident between her and Billy Middleton, but by this time Stephanie (Hall) had made it clear to Sandra Lean she no longer trusted or believed Billy Middleton’s version of events regarding the night of the two fires in which baby Annalise had died and wanted nothing whatsoever to do with him.
The above excerpts have been taken from the following blog
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
The day after Colin Bowman stated;
”I now intend to openly protect the forums and the people who make this argument on behalf of Luke Mitchell and others. I can now see that the advancement of a strong MOJ culture and movement, takes priority over both free-speech and individual-rights. Previously I was hanging onto values of free-speech and individual-rights; but I now recognise that the advancement of a MOJ culture and movement, is going to face such obstacles, that making this project happen has to be astutely done and be protected.
un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton banned Stephanie (Hall) from the WAP website
Stephanie (Hall)- 22nd November 2010
I have just been banned from the WAP site.
The following day (23rd November 2010) Sandra Lean had her boyfriend (ex?) Billy Middleton publish a ‘crazy making’ blub (written by Sandra Lean) which began with:
“ ADMINISTRATORS NOTE: I HAVE BEEN SENT THE FOLLOWING BY SANDRA AT 20:59
“It is with extreme sadness and regret that I am making this post, but the events of this afternoon have left me with no choice. Whether people accept it or not, posts on internet sites have real life consequences
and in part ended with
“You are one f*cking sick little bitch. How long did you think folk were going to take your lies and p*sh? Weren’t happy destroying one family’s life, eh? Now you’ve started on somebody else’s. How many more you twisted little f*ck? Yours is coming, don’t you worry about it. You’ll get yours you twisted little c**t – there’s plenty just waiting their chance.
“I assume this came about as a result of various claims being made on various websites”
Sandra Lean’s (23rd November 2010) blub in full has been re-published here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
And as stated several years ago, Sandra Lean is a fraud who exploits, mistreats and abuses people who are in vulnerable situations.
(https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383379.html#msg383379)
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I agree that, on the surface, it looks like a difficult PR day for WAP.
But I don't then see how any of this leads to more support for MRS H. A history of falling out with erstwhile supporters, is not a good CV.
Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin
Stephanie (Hall)- 22nd November 2010
We are no longer associated with WAP, due to behind the scenes activities in the last couple of months
Stephanie (Hall) - 22nd November 2010
Billy is choosing to interpret Simon's letter for his own ends and he is also attempting to cover his unprofessional behaviour.
In reality it was Sandra Lean (and Billy Middleton)
Con- 23rd November 2010
Thought I would help out with these definitions
Definitions of closed on the Web:
* not open or affording passage or access
not open to the general public
shut not open.
Definitions of remove on the Web
get rid of: dispose of
The act of removing something,
Take away totally.
Though closed could just mean shut but still in view. So I think what you need is for the information to be removed totally from public view.
Sandra Lean using emotional manipulation
“Emotional manipulators are excellent guilt mongers. They can make you feel guilty for speaking up or not speaking up, for being emotional or not being emotional enough, for giving and caring, or for not giving and caring enough. Any thing is fair game and open to guilt with an emotional manipulator. Emotional manipulators seldom express their needs or desires openly - they get what they want through emotional manipulation. Guilt is not the only form of this but it is a potent one. Most of us are pretty conditioned to do whatever is necessary to reduce our feelings of guilt. Another powerful emotion that is used is sympathy. An emotional manipulator is a great victim. They inspire a profound sense of needing to support, care for and nurture. Emotional Manipulators seldom fight their own fights or do their own dirty work. The crazy thing is that when you do it for them (which they will never ask directly for), they may just turn around and say they certainly didn’t want or expect you to do anything!
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383377.html#msg383377
and her usual go to BS and regurgitation about allegedly being threatened in a shop
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Sandra Lean wrote: November 2010
"Entering a local store this evening, I was approached by a man who greeted me with the following:
“You are one f*cking sick little bitch. How long did you think folk were going to take your lies and p*sh? Weren’t happy destroying one family’s life, eh? Now you’ve started on somebody else’s. How many more you twisted little f*ck? Yours is coming, don’t you worry about it. You’ll get yours you twisted little c**t – there’s plenty just waiting their chance.”
I assume this came about as a result of various claims being made on various websites. In principle, I would not back down to such bullying and threatening behaviour. However, I have to live here, as do my family, and in view of the fact that Simon’s appeal is imminent, it is with a very heavy heart that I have asked Billy to remove everything relating to Simon’s case from the site.http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/re-simon-hall-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/
Sandra Lean - 2007
"I was in a shop recently, talking to someone I know when another woman came in. The person I was speaking to mentioned that I'd been looking at the Luke Mitchell case, and this other woman - you know the kind, knuckles scrapping on the floor - turned and growled something like: 'Well, you'd just better watch yourself'."
There have been other, even more worrying incidents which Sandra prefers not to discuss publicly. Yet she is so driven to lift the lid on what she sees as fundamental flaws in the justice system which have sent Mitchell to jail for 20 years, that she's prepared to take the flak: "I'll just not shop in that shop for a while," she shrugs.
http://truthinjustice.org/no-smoke.htm
Another broken link http://truthinjustice.org/no-smoke.htm
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/books/claiming-killer-innocent-part-of-search-for-truth-1-1316853
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
I'm ‘not inclined to take’ Sandra Lean’s ‘word at face value’ because she’s a manipulative con-artist who uses various types of lies and manipulative tactics to con and exploit people
Sandra Lean ~ “…it is with a very heavy heart that I have asked Billy to remove everything relating to Simon’s case from the site”
*&^^&
“Stephanie (Hall) had also been told by killer Simon Hall that he also did not want to be associated with Billy Middleton or his WAP website and wanted everything related to his case removed from Billy’s site because he (Simon Hall) did not like or trust Billy Middleton, after having met him face to face a few months earlier when he and Sandra Lean had visited him at HMP Kingston in Portsmouth.
Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton had also attended Simon Hall’s preliminary appeals hearing at the appeal court in London on the 10th of March 2010.
Above excerpts taken from following blog
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I agree that, on the surface, it looks like a difficult PR day for WAP.
But I don't then see how any of this leads to more support for MRS H. A history of falling out with erstwhile supporters, is not a good CV.
Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin
Stephanie (Hall)- 22nd November 2010
We are no longer associated with WAP, due to behind the scenes activities in the last couple of months
Stephanie (Hall) - 22nd November 2010
Billy is choosing to interpret Simon's letter for his own ends and he is also attempting to cover his unprofessional behaviour.
In reality it was Sandra Lean (and Billy Middleton)
Con- 23rd November 2010
Thought I would help out with these definitions
Definitions of closed on the Web:
* not open or affording passage or access
not open to the general public
shut not open.
Definitions of remove on the Web
get rid of: dispose of
The act of removing something,
Take away totally.
Though closed could just mean shut but still in view. So I think what you need is for the information to be removed totally from public view.
Again Sandra Lean stated on 23rd November 2010
”November 20th at 10.04am: Stephanie posted on the forum “Simon has been asking for over a week to have his caseblog closed down completely and for this thread to be locked.” This post was less than 72 hours after the initial email regarding a letter Billy “may or may not have received.”
November 21st: The post was re-posted on the McKie site
November 22nd, at 1.09 (which is 12.09, real time): Stephanie posted “After two weeks of Billy ignoring Simon’s express wishes and requests…..” (this was 5 days after the initial contact.)
Sandra Lean’s emotionally manipulative blub has been reproduced and can be read in full here
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/sandra-leans-emotional-manipulation-original-published-on-the-23rd-november-2010/
But her cherry picked points - as per usual - didn’t include the full context
Why did Sandra Lean choose to omit Stephanie’s following statement which was also made on the 22nd November 2010
”We are no longer associated with WAP, due to behind the scenes activities in the last couple of months[/size][/b]
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/simon-hall-appeal-hearing-dates-set-t717-s30.html
Sandra Lean also didn’t include Colin Bowman’s statements for example - which had also been posted to the McKie site
Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Would be interested to know if Sandra Lean also told Colin Bowman at this time about Billy Middleton threatening her, like she chose to do with Stephanie (Hall)
”Sandra Lean contacted Stephanie (Hall) one Sunday morning in November 2010 to inform her that an incident had occurred between her and Billy Middleton and her youngest adult daughter had had to intervene in order to protect her mother.
Following a night of drinking alcohol, Sandra Lean claimed that Billy Middleton had threatened her and got up in her face, so much so that Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter (who had apparently witnessed the incident) had helped pack Billy Middleton’s belongings and kicked him out of her and her mothers home.
Some hours after Billy Middleton had been forced to leave Sandra Lean’s home, he apparently contacted her via the telephone saying he was ‘lost’. At which point Sandra Lean and her youngest daughter had gone out in a motor vehicle searching for him, eventually finding Billy in a street in Edinburgh with his face evidently ‘covered in blood’.
Following this event Sandra Lean had apparently given Billy Middleton some money in order to help him travel back to his parents home in the Shetland isles as he was allegedly at this point pennyless.
It is not known why Sandra Lean chose to contact Stephanie (Hall) about the incident between her and Billy Middleton, but by this time Stephanie (Hall) had made it clear to Sandra Lean she no longer trusted or believed Billy Middleton’s version of events regarding the night of the two fires in which baby Annalise had died and wanted nothing whatsoever to do with him..
“Stephanie (Hall) had also been told by killer Simon Hall that he also did not want to be associated with Billy Middleton or his WAP website and wanted everything related to his case removed from Billy’s site because he (Simon Hall) did not like or trust Billy Middleton, after having met him face to face a few months earlier when he and Sandra Lean had visited him at HMP Kingston in Portsmouth.
Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton had also attended Simon Hall’s preliminary appeals hearing at the appeal court in London on the 10th of March 2010.
Above excerpts taken from following blog
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Again would be interested to know if Sandra Lean also told Colin Bowman about un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton threatening her in front of her youngest adult daughter
Would also be interested to know if Colin Bowman was aware of some of the previous comments of the McKie site about Billy Middleton, like for example William Becks Aka Big Wullie
Big Wullie - 28th February 2010
Not only do I find these comments totally inappropriate for this forum but deeply offensive and alarming.
I hope the Family of Jodi Jones are not reading this forum to see what is being written here.
Angeline:
I have searched high and low for references to 14 year olds drinking and come up with the following which you might find really interesting since they concern your Partner in your new adventures.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/DAD+CLEAR ... 0196026467
The court heard how the couple quarrelled on the night before Annalise's death.
Kareen accused her husband of flirting with young girls who were staying over.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/nor ... 935423.stm
Mrs Middleton told the trial at the High Court in Aberdeen that she and her 32-year-old husband had spent the evening enjoying a drink with his 14-year-old niece and two of her friends.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/nor ... 937993.stm
During the course of the night they were all drinking, the court heard.
A 14-year-old girl told the court Mr Middleton had flirted with her teenage friend.
The girl said his wife Kereen had overheard him tell the girl "I wish I met you before my wife".
She said Kereen Middleton then left the house in tears.
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Angeline
I would suggest if you wish to remain anonymous then you do not advertise who you are here:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s160.html
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Would also be interested to hear what Colin Bowman made of un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton’s 2010 fabricated speech (which he asked Sandra Lean to proof read and accidentally emailed to Stephanie (Hall))
"After Billy was arrested I sent this email to his parents. I also sent a copy to Sandra Lean, to try and confirm that I was telling the truth ~ Marina Thomason
Flag this message
Re: Please note amended address
Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 9:48
From:
"MARINA THOMASON"
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Harriets Mail"
Dear Harriet and Jim,
We've got your e-mail and we will pin the address up in the canteen at work. I'm sure one or two of the workers will want to write to Billy. This is a very difficult letter for me to write to you and I've struggled with my conscious whether I should or not.
During the time of Billy and Kareens wedding you were very good to us and you made me feel very welcome in your home, I felt you Harriet and me especially, clicked. You are a nice family. But the truth of the matter is we advised Billy and Kareen to pospone their wedding. I took Kareen aside and Christopher took Billy and advised them to put the wedding off. We did this because we knew the extent of the problems they had in their relationship and feared it would end in disaster. We hoped if they delayed it their relationship would come to its own natural conclusion. We always thought someone would get hurt although we could never forsee this happening.
I don't know to what extent you know of what went on here in Cullivoe. The police were involved on two occasions that we know of. There were numerous other occasions that were kept quiet by the Williamsons here in Yell. Billy and Kareens next door neighbour was very upset by what was happening. She was Christina's chaperone to nursery in the taxi. She said every Friday night was the same, they would be woken up in the middle of the night with Kareen screaming and sometimes she would hear Christina crying. She wanted to report Billy and Kareen to social services but luckily for them she spoke to her sister first about it who lives here in Cullivoe. She suggested speaking to Jean Saunders which she did. Jean said that if anything happened which she was worried about the neighbour was to phone her first. As a consequence Jean and John were in the square on more than one occasion. Kareen and the bairns came here to stay the night one of the times. It was very upsetting for me as my mam had just died suddenly 2 weeks before and I was 6 months pregnant for Amanda. When I answered the phone in the middle of the night to hear Kareen screaming I thought she was being murdered.
We never could figure out what was going on but when Kareen left Billy and went to Brae she told me a few things and it all fitted together like a jig-saw puzzle. I know that she went on to tell her uncle Andy and Gilda even more so don't be too harsh on them because you have to understand that Kareen very much made Billy out to be the bad guy. I don't know the truth of the matter because Kareen told one story and Billy told the opposite.
I don't know where this idea that the Williamsons never visited Kareen here in Cullivoe came from because to my mind it is simply not true. Susan was there at least twice a week, Christina and Lana were best friends. Although Carol doesn't drive she came at least once a week before or after choir practice and if she was working at the school she was there more often. All the family turned up for any birthday parties or occasions.
I know you are living a nightmare at the moment and of course you want to believe Billy, he is your son. We will all have to await what evidence comes out at the trial. I hope you are not to upset by this email that is not my intention at all. No-matter what the truth is of what happened that awful night the letter we wrote from C & A still holds true and I used to call Billy Christophers' right hand. He is a terrible miss at work.
This is a hard thing for everyone involved to come to terms with and our deepest sympathy is with you,
Marina.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385713.html#msg385713
"I do feel incredibly angry that Billy Middleton feels that he has the right to publish on the internet whatever he wants without fear of retribution.
Reading his MOJ2010 speech just puts my blood pressure right up because there is hardly one single paragraph that contains the whole truth. Unfortunately there is very little that I can state as "fact" as at it would mean exposing people and information that at the moment has to remain confidential. I am, however, now in a position to comment on the following subject things that I was told as Billy took it upon himself to expose his ex-wife as the person to whom the sexual assault charges concerned.
He himself describes the charge as "sexual abuse". I'm unclear why. As far as I know the charges were of sexual assault. To my mind sexual abuse indicates a more long term situation. A freudian slip, perhaps?. Maybe this was closer to the truth of what was happening in Billy and Kareen's relationship.
However Billy Middleton states: "They then threw in a charge of sexual abuse against my wife instead but both she and her uncle proved in court it was not physically possible because we were about 60 miles apart at the time and the doctor who examined her testified that there was no physical evidence to support it.
Billy put forward a special plea of 'consent' to the sexual assault charges yet in the statement above he is implying that it never happened and that this was "proved in court". He can't have it both ways - either his ex-wife consented or else it didn't happen, not both.
The only 'incident' of sexual assault Kareen discussed with me in any detail was the time that caused her to leave Billy in April/May 2007. Remember, this was about 2 years before the trial and 18 months before the fire. It was the first time I visited her at her aunt and uncle's house in Brae after she left Cullivoe with the kids. She told me what Billy had done to her. Needless to say, I was appalled. She was upset and confused and asked my advice on what to do. She spoke about going back to him as she was afraid if she left him for good what he would do. Billy was constantly texting her and using the children as a weapon against her, saying things like did she really want the kids to come from a broken home and she was to think about the effect all this was having on them. Things like that. I advised her not to go back to him. She was 3 months pregnant with Annalise at the time.
Kareen had not been happy for a long time. Billy spent much of his home time on the computer. Kareen was sure he was in contact with other women. She looked up the history on their computer one day Billy was at work and found that he had googled "rape", "torture" and "p***y fisting". Billy had been visiting hardcore BDSM sites and Kareen was scared - is this what he had in mind for her? She told me things had been escalating against her will in the bedroom. She did not tell me the exact date of when the assault had taken place but I did get the impression that she had waited a few days before leaving him and moving to Brae. She only went to see the GP the day after she moved to Brae on her aunt and uncle's insistance. From my understanding of what Kareen has told me because she had waited a number of days and because she had given birth to 2 children naturally the GP was non-committal about any signs of an assault having taken place.
When Kareen took Billy back most of her family and friends distanced themselves from her including me. I felt embarrassed because I had tried to advise her not to take him back but she had and it felt very awkward. I know her family felt the same way. We have spoke since about the reasons why she took him back and I can absolutely see why she did - she was a typical abused wife caught in a cycle of abuse. She told me that one of the conditions she took him back on was if he saw a counsellor. He showed her a letter with an appointment but does not know if he ever attended. All she knows is that the abuse only ever got worse and because she no longer felt she could turn to her friends and family she was completely isolated.
"For reasons only known to themselves the police never interviewed either myself or Kareen's counsellor whom she was seeing regarding unresolved issues from her childhood and also the difficulties she was experiencing within her own relationship with Billy. She told her counsellor everything.
However, following the trial Kareen's solicitor did take a statement from her counsellor. That is why Billy never fought to see the kids. His lies would be exposed before his family and he couldn't let that happen
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712
And what Colin Bowman made of some of the following from the now defunct Glasgow innocence forum
The following is a reproduction of a post made by Marina Thomason posting as Sunniva Gunn on the Glasgow innocence forum.
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:12 pm
Sunniva Gunn writes...
I'm going to write out the following text and ask what people make of it.
This was found on a computer and appears incomplete.
The date is not on the printed copy but it was written in May 2007 when Kareen had left Billy and gone to Brae with the kids.
Quote:
Although not written on any official document, these are my last will and testimonies. I hope in the event of my premature death, should any court proceedings take place, that they be considered legally binding. To ensure authenticity of this text, I provide certain information which could only be known by myself, that is to say that some parts may be known by some members of the following text, but none by all.
It seems prudent to stipulate these facts from the onset, thus eliminating any confusion or legal rambling of which I do not wish.
Facts.
1. No one will probably know the fact that I have even written this. This file will be hidden in a location on the hard disk of this pc and on a physical copy, the location of which is known hopefully only by the medical professionals whom attend me, and any subsequent legal authority whom has interest in my death. These details will be included on my person at all times. In the event that I am taken from this world through some destructive force which renders my wallet unfindable, a second proof of authenticity can be found at C & A Thomasons Mussel shed, cullivoe pier, cullivoe, yell. These are by way of an exact copy of this testimont. To be found above the 2nd H-beam in the depuration shed. Though not immediately obvious, the location of this second duplicate document is known by anyone searching my known locations.
2.
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Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I apologise for making a post (above) which did not address the thread topic.
My understanding of the Hall case is weak, and am rather improving that understanding by following recents posts on the case and its personalities.
It seems an interesting case, given that it is accepted by some that its circumstantial arguments so depend on what is said about particular fibres; that if that evidence fails, then the whole case falls.
That would be an interesting conception to get into play. Namely that circumstantial prosecutions can have lynch-pin presumptions and intrepretations; such that circumstantially gained convictions can be overturned across identifying and discrediting that lynch pin evidence. So it would contribute to building-up a tool-box of instruments that can be employed to deconstruct circumstantial prosecutions.
colin
Does Sandra Lean mention Colin Bowman in her second book and if not why not?
It was afterall Colin Bowman who stated not long after killer Luke Mitchell was found guilty
”Has anyone entertained the notion that he might be innocent?”
and set up the Luke Mitchell fact and myth forum
Links to blogs referring to Colin Bowman
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/psychology-student-colin-bowman/
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Does Sandra Lean mention Colin Bowman in her second book and if not why not?
It was afterall Colin Bowman who stated not long after killer Luke Mitchell was found guilty
”Has anyone entertained the notion that he might be innocent?”
and set up the Luke Mitchell fact and myth forum
Links to blogs referring to Colin Bowman
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/psychology-student-colin-bowman/
Wasn’t Colin Bowman involved with the lying Mitchell’s before Sandra Lean ?
Or was it Sandra Lean who was first in contact with Colin Bowman after being contacted by the Mitchell’s?
And why did con-artist and liar Sandra Lean make the following post under the pseudonym Angeline on Colin Bowman’s forum on the 26th October 2008;
”I've just started finding my way round this forum, so I'll be bit more active with posts now!”
When Sandra Lean was already registered as Jigsawman and had been since August 2005 and was by October 2008 a GOD member
Part 18a Where Did It Really All Begin & Why
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Why did Sandra Lean choose to post what she did and when she did?
And how did Sandra Lean think her 23rd November 2010 statement on WAP would be perceived by those who read it?
Link to Sandra Lean’s post in full
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/sandra-leans-emotional-manipulation-original-published-on-the-23rd-november-2010/
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Wasn’t Colin Bowman involved with the lying Mitchell’s before Sandra Lean ?
Or was it Sandra Lean who was first in contact with Colin Bowman after being contacted by the Mitchell’s?
And why did con-artist and liar Sandra Lean make the following post under the pseudonym Angeline on Colin Bowman’s forum on the 26th October 2008;
”I've just started finding my way round this forum, so I'll be bit more active with posts now!”
When Sandra Lean was already registered as Jigsawman and had been since August 2005 and was by October 2008 a GOD member
Part 18a Where Did It Really All Begin & Why
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Why did Colin Bowman remove his fact and myth forum from the WWW?
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Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 09:21:PM »
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Killer Simon Hall had apparently planned to admit his guilt to Stephanie (Hall) before his first overdose in February 2013
And as already stated in the blog series The Truth Behind Killer Simon Hall & His Enablers #InnocenceFraud Phenomenon Scam (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/)
it would appear the Hall family members already knew killer Simon Hall was guilty and it’s highly probable he had already admitted his guilt to his older brother Shaun Hall, and why they chose to swap bracelets just before his imminent arrest
And Killer Simon Hall was in regular contact with people in the outside world including with Phoebe Grant’s mother Sarah Grant, who wrote to killer Simon Hall and sent him photos. A woman called Heidi, who sent him stacks of emails and visited with him in prison as did his adoptive mother Lynne Hall.
Both Heidi and Lynne Hall visited with killer Simon Hall in 2014.
Assessments by numerous ‘mental health’ workers from 2003 to 2014 concluded killer Simon Hall had no mental health issues.
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Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 09:21:PM »
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Both Heidi and Lynne Hall visited with killer Simon Hall in 2014.
Did Sandra Lean ever make contact with all the people she communicated with for chapter 5 of her 1st discredited book No Smoke and if not why not?
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Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 09:21:PM »
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world. His wife when he died - the only contact he had with the outside world.
Was his mental health properly assessed in the lead up to the confession, the suicide attempt before the confession, or at the time of the confession itself?
These are not difficult questions. His family can't answer them because he was estranged from them at the times I'm talking about.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Sandra Lean - Did you contact (or speak with) Lynne Hall, Phil Hall, Shaun Hall or Stephanie Bon ?
‘I spoke with many people (including others whose cases were mentioned or discussed) about the question of withdrawing the book. Not one of them wanted the book withdrawn. There were discussions about possible revisions which would, of necessity, have taken a great deal of time and effort - time and effort that I was not capable of devoting to the matter at that time. ~ Sandra Lean
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382961.html#msg382961
And if you did speak to/communicate with them Sandra Lean, what did they say ?
Because the following suggests you possibly did speak to/communicate with the Halls and/or Stephanie Bon
If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
“In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)
The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.
There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”
You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession, the circumstances of the confession itself, the state of Simon’s mental and emotional well-being (or otherwise), the content of the confession etc. We have no information about how the confession was given or accepted (it was reported at the inquest that he “told his wife” who then “told him to tell the prison.” I have no idea if that is true or not – it was reported in the media, after all.) I’m not inclined to simply take Stephanie’s word (or anyone else’s for that matter) at face value.
But, of course, that is my opinion, one I’m perfectly entitled to hold.
And so, I would simply revise the book to reflect the known facts, as they currently stand.
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If it helps, I can give a synopsis of what the revision to the Simon Hall chapter in No Smoke would have comprised, and why:
“In August 2013, it was reported that Simon Hall had confessed to the murder, in what many considered questionable circumstances, after ten years of maintaining his innocence. Some observers (including Simon's family) expressed concerns about Simon's mental health immediately prior to, and at the time of, the confession (a suicide attempt in the months before, for example.)
The confession and the circumstances in which it was made, have never been made public. There were other suicide attempts, the last being in February 2014, when he was found dead in his cell. The confession, whether reliable or not, does not alter the fact that the case on which the conviction was founded was extremely weak, and fell far below the standards most of us would expect when a life sentence is the potential outcome of proceedings.
There can be no doubt that the confession shocked those fighting claimed cases of Miscarriage of Justice, and raised serious questions about whether those fights should continue. However, where the fight is based on the evidence of the case as used at trial and in subsequent appeal proceedings, and that evidence is not robust enough to justify the convictions obtained, then the fight must continue, in the name of true justice.
We will never know if Simon Hall’s confession was genuine, or the confused utterings of a crumbling sanity. The decision about whether to take up, or continue to carry, the baton for claimed Miscarriages of Justice is a matter for the person deciding to do so, and their own conscience.”
You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession, the circumstances of the confession itself, the state of Simon’s mental and emotional well-being (or otherwise), the content of the confession etc. We have no information about how the confession was given or accepted (it was reported at the inquest that he “told his wife” who then “told him to tell the prison.” I have no idea if that is true or not – it was reported in the media, after all.) I’m not inclined to simply take Stephanie’s word (or anyone else’s for that matter) at face value.
But, of course, that is my opinion, one I’m perfectly entitled to hold.
And so, I would simply revise the book to reflect the known facts, as they currently stand.
This is embarrassing Sandra Lean!
Especially given the fact - once again - you didn’t attend the trial and have no idea what was and wasn’t said through out
And it’s especially embarrassing given the conversations you and I had following killer Simon Hall’s suicide
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Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
8th August 2013 (on the day he was back in the media)
“Simon appeared cheerful..
There are also numerous incompetent fraudsters who work within HMP services, either for the prison or outside agencies
Many of these incompetent fraudsters are tasked with managing dangerous killers and these incompetent fraudsters are supposed to be keeping the public safe
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There are also numerous incompetent fraudsters who work within HMP services, either for the prison or outside agencies
Many of these incompetent fraudsters are tasked with managing dangerous killers and these incompetent fraudsters are supposed to be keeping the public safe
Will be addressing the nonsense of many of these incompetent fraudsters in 2023
The same incompetent fraudsters who choose to attempt to paint dangerous, calculated, cunning, manipulative, sexually deviant killers as harmless victims
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Will be addressing the nonsense of many of these incompetent fraudsters in 2023
The same incompetent fraudsters who choose to attempt to paint dangerous, calculated, cunning, manipulative, sexually deviant killers as harmless victims
One example -
“ I do not recall anyone from mental health suggesting hospitalisation, and had this been proposed, I thought it would be normal procedure for a psychiatrist to prepare a report. I am not medically qualified to give an opinion, but I recall that Simon was a very complex character. He seemed to have a personality disorder as well as psychiatric issues and I was very concerned that he should be moved to receive more appropriate care.
I was quite shocked to hear of Simon’s death having worked closely with him. I was upset that he had not been able to hold on for his move to Grendon where I believe he would have been able to finally unload his emotions in a safe place ~ Nikki Mead
Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013
Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/
Killer Simon Hall did not have any ‘psychiatric issues’
William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
“Mr Hall has presented as having some insight into his behaviour, although this has not always been the case. Such insight as he can demonstrate is further compounded by his apparent lying and ‘testing out’ the reactions of others with what he says.
He considers that he can sometimes ‘introspect’ and understand his anger and his coldness towards others.
“Following the acceptance of his guilt he has become increasingly negative about the motives of staff and other prisoners, believing that he will be ‘forced’ to stay in prison for years beyond his tariff. He does not however see staff or ‘the system’ as ‘out to get him’ because of his years of denial.
His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne. He has made accusations about her (although then mostly withdrawn them) and blames her and his father for how he is, and for what he has done…
Mr Hall has been quite negative about his future since his acceptance of guilt…
There is no evidence from interview or available file evidence to suggest Mr Hall is currently experiencing any active symptoms relating to mental illness; there is no suggestion or diagnosis that he has ever experienced a serious mental illness.
“Most recently his mood has been reflective of feelings of anxiety, sorrow, regret, worry and concerns for himself and what will happen to him
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What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?
Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.
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What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?
Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.
Sandra Lean stated in 2014 she had been duped by the Mitchell’s and she sounded upset by this and concerned about the 10 years she said she had wasted
Not sure what you mean by ‘decades of research’?
Are you referring to killer Luke Mitchell’s case or Sandra Lean’s fabricated ‘PhD’?
Sandra Lean did not attend killer Luke Mitchell 42 day trial so she won’t have been able to carry out any ‘research’ related to everything she’s not aware of
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Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013
Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/
Killer Simon Hall was receiving ‘counselling’ around this time btw (HMP Hollesley Bay) - ‘counselling’ linked to his relationships
Don’t forget to add those to the ‘outside world’ list Sandra Lean
Re: Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn
« Reply #104 on: January 12, 2017, 09:21:PM »
His wife when he confessed - the only contact he had with the outside world - the only contact he had with the outside world.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383343.html#msg383343
Killer Simon Hall was receiving ‘counselling’ prior to when he chose to admit to the innocence fraud
Not long after he said “I killed Joan Albert”
He claimed to carry out “vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus” which he claimed were ‘hair clippers’ and a kitchen knife - which later morphed into a ‘cutlery’ knife
*&^^&
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Killer Simon Hall unloaded his ‘emotions’ prior to his first attempted suicide in February 2013
Some examples👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-9th-february-2013/
Killer Simon Hall also said some sick, sexually deviant BS on the Friday before his first suicide attempt in February 2013
His mask had well and truly come off by this point
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What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?
Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.
This isn’t at all about killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘innocence’ for Sandra Lean
She’s a [moderated]
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Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I'm suspicious, and worried. Why would you choose to invest your time in bashing Middleton and WAP, with legal review only a fornight or so away.
The only 'hot' material on Simon Hall's case, on that forum, has been this dispute. In the absence of this dispute, the offending thread would have been silent or quiet. Why was that particular dog not left lying.
There's then clearly a lot attaching to behind the scenes matters and details, that the parties are choosing to not release into the public domain. Why then have this dispute in the public domain at all; why not keep it totally private.
I don't know what the impact of all this will be on the Simon Hall side. The impact on WAP looks negative; and that worries me. This public disagreement, it without clarifiying material, simply should not be occurring.
colin
Colin Bowman - 22nd November 2010
I agree that, on the surface, it looks like a difficult PR day for WAP.
But I don't then see how any of this leads to more support for MRS H. A history of falling out with erstwhile supporters, is not a good CV.
Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin
Stephanie (Hall)- 22nd November 2010
We are no longer associated with WAP, due to behind the scenes activities in the last couple of months
Stephanie (Hall) - 22nd November 2010
Billy is choosing to interpret Simon's letter for his own ends and he is also attempting to cover his unprofessional behaviour.
In reality it was Sandra Lean (and Billy Middleton)
Con- 23rd November 2010
Thought I would help out with these definitions
Definitions of closed on the Web:
* not open or affording passage or access
not open to the general public
shut not open.
Definitions of remove on the Web
get rid of: dispose of
The act of removing something,
Take away totally.
Though closed could just mean shut but still in view. So I think what you need is for the information to be removed totally from public view.
Why didn’t Sandra Lean just simply suggest to un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton ’to remove everything relating to Simon’s case from the site’ from the start?
Why the need for Sandra Lean to post what she did when she did?
What did Sandra Lean hope her post would achieve?
Post Reproduced here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/sandra-leans-emotional-manipulation-original-published-on-the-23rd-november-2010/
When was Sandra Lean planning to become a co-director of WAP?
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Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin
This wasn’t true either
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Colin Bowman- 22nd November 2010
On the most cursory of data (really just reading online posts which purport to attach to Stephanie Hall) I sense that your approach differs. Your commitment is to Simon Hall, and you well have been instrumental in seeing his case now come to legal review. The psychological and intellectual approaches differ, depending on whether we are taking a generalist or an individual-private approach. I surmise that, for some behind the scenes set of reasons, a tension in this has become explosive.
colin
Again would be interested to hear what Colin Bowman now says on this
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"On 23 July 2013 Simon Hall confessed to the murder of Joan Albert to a mental health nurse, after saying he needed to speak with her urgently”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382976.html#msg382976
Her name was/is Jenny Liddeth
They’ll be more on this in 2023
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Sandra Lean 11th January 2017
Did anyone, anywhere, ever assess the possible impacts of Simon's mental health on the making of the confession? Were the details of the confession checked against all of the known information? Were there any aspects of the confession that didn't match the known information, or that didn't fit logically with what was claimed? Did anyone bother to check? https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383026.html#msg383026
Did Stephanie Bon ever recall seeing killer Simon Hall wearing the red and black ‘loud’ and ‘larey’ shirt and it suddenly going missing?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
Killer Simon Hall was ‘wrongly convicted’ and in turn wrongly sentenced
“The prosecution allege Hall broke into the property with the intention of carrying out a burglary, but stabbed the pensioner to death when she disturbed him. Hall denies murder.
‘Mrs Justice Rafferty reminded the jury that it was up to the prosecution to prove that Hall had killed Mrs Albert.
"There is no direct evidence that Simon Hall killed Joan Albert. There is evidence, if you accept it say the Crown, he had the opportunity to do it," she said. (Sic)
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21321104.murder-trial-jury-continue-deliberations/
Yet more fabrications and BS
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‘Before Hall was sentenced, his barrister, Peter Rouch QC, urged Mrs Justice Rafferty to consider the fact that the prosecution's case was that Mrs Albert's murder had been a "burglary that went wrong"
He said there was never any suggestion that whoever killed the pensioner had gone to her home to deliberately take her life
Mr Rouch also said Hall's previous convictions for violence, an assault in McDonalds in 1997 and another for wounding, was a result of a street fight
"He is only 25. He has a strong family union. Whenever he comes out of custody he will have that unit”
During the trial, the prosecution claimed Hall targeted Mrs Albert's home because of his special knowledge about her living circumstances
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21321705.life-sentence-pensioners-murder/
Killer Simon Hall’s murder was premeditated - he deliberately went to her home to ‘take her life’
And he also planned to rape his victim (after death) - fibres were recovered from the upper thigh area
Killer Simon Hall had been violent to a previous partner
And he most definitely did not have a ‘strong family union’ - it was all a facade
William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
“His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne
“Even though I used to feel that I didn’t really belong in the household and was always out of the house as much as I possibly could be, I didn’t have anywhere else to go. Killer Simon Hall - 6th April 2013 http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-6th-april-2013-blog/
There are numerous comments and reference to killer Simon Hall saying he hated being in ‘that house’ ie; his adoptive parents Lynne and Phil Hall’s house in Capel
And he did have ‘special knowledge’ as Lynne Hall would have told him/repeated everything and some
In one of her police statements Lynne Hall made a reference to Joan Albert showing Lynne her ‘hernia’ and chose to tell the police JA wasn’t wearing any underwear and alleged she (Lynne Hall) had been embarrassed by this
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Sandra Lean 11th January 2017
Did anyone, anywhere, ever assess the possible impacts of Simon's mental health on the making of the confession? Were the details of the confession checked against all of the known information? Were there any aspects of the confession that didn't match the known information, or that didn't fit logically with what was claimed? Did anyone bother to check? https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383026.html#msg383026
The incompetent fraudsters who worked for HMP Hollesley Bay, or outside agencies, chose to refer to killer Simon Hall’s sadomasochism as ‘self harm’
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And all the incompetent fraudsters at HMP Hollesley and HMP Wayland (and outside agencies) failed to recognise killer Simon Hall’s sadomasochistic paraphilia
More on this soon
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Why didn’t Sandra Lean pick up on un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton’s’ Freudian slip when he sent her a copy of his speech to proof read for him
"MARINA THOMASON"
"I do feel incredibly angry that Billy Middleton feels that he has the right to publish on the internet whatever he wants without fear of retribution.
Reading his MOJ2010 speech just puts my blood pressure right up because there is hardly one single paragraph that contains the whole truth. Unfortunately there is very little that I can state as "fact" as at it would mean exposing people and information that at the moment has to remain confidential. I am, however, now in a position to comment on the following subject things that I was told as Billy took it upon himself to expose his ex-wife as the person to whom the sexual assault charges concerned.
He himself describes the charge as "sexual abuse". I'm unclear why. As far as I know the charges were of sexual assault. To my mind sexual abuse indicates a more long term situation. A freudian slip, perhaps?. Maybe this was closer to the truth of what was happening in Billy and Kareen's relationship.
However Billy Middleton states: "They then threw in a charge of sexual abuse against my wife instead but both she and her uncle proved in court it was not physically possible because we were about 60 miles apart at the time and the doctor who examined her testified that there was no physical evidence to support it.
Billy put forward a special plea of 'consent' to the sexual assault charges yet in the statement above he is implying that it never happened and that this was "proved in court". He can't have it both ways - either his ex-wife consented or else it didn't happen, not both.
The only 'incident' of sexual assault Kareen discussed with me in any detail was the time that caused her to leave Billy in April/May 2007. Remember, this was about 2 years before the trial and 18 months before the fire. It was the first time I visited her at her aunt and uncle's house in Brae after she left Cullivoe with the kids. She told me what Billy had done to her. Needless to say, I was appalled. She was upset and confused and asked my advice on what to do. She spoke about going back to him as she was afraid if she left him for good what he would do. Billy was constantly texting her and using the children as a weapon against her, saying things like did she really want the kids to come from a broken home and she was to think about the effect all this was having on them. Things like that. I advised her not to go back to him. She was 3 months pregnant with Annalise at the time.
Kareen had not been happy for a long time. Billy spent much of his home time on the computer. Kareen was sure he was in contact with other women. She looked up the history on their computer one day Billy was at work and found that he had googled "rape", "torture" and "p***y fisting". Billy had been visiting hardcore BDSM sites and Kareen was scared - is this what he had in mind for her? She told me things had been escalating against her will in the bedroom. She did not tell me the exact date of when the assault had taken place but I did get the impression that she had waited a few days before leaving him and moving to Brae. She only went to see the GP the day after she moved to Brae on her aunt and uncle's insistance. From my understanding of what Kareen has told me because she had waited a number of days and because she had given birth to 2 children naturally the GP was non-committal about any signs of an assault having taken place.
When Kareen took Billy back most of her family and friends distanced themselves from her including me. I felt embarrassed because I had tried to advise her not to take him back but she had and it felt very awkward. I know her family felt the same way. We have spoke since about the reasons why she took him back and I can absolutely see why she did - she was a typical abused wife caught in a cycle of abuse. She told me that one of the conditions she took him back on was if he saw a counsellor. He showed her a letter with an appointment but does not know if he ever attended. All she knows is that the abuse only ever got worse and because she no longer felt she could turn to her friends and family she was completely isolated.
"For reasons only known to themselves the police never interviewed either myself or Kareen's counsellor whom she was seeing regarding unresolved issues from her childhood and also the difficulties she was experiencing within her own relationship with Billy. She told her counsellor everything.
However, following the trial Kareen's solicitor did take a statement from her counsellor. That is why Billy never fought to see the kids. His lies would be exposed before his family and he couldn't let that happen
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg385712.html#msg385712
And why did Sandra Lean readily dismiss Billy Middleton’s search history ?
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Nikki Mead again
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”Long discussion with Bill Long Psychology who is interviewing SH for HCR-20. We are both agreed that the lines are often blurred between reality and fantasy and this will make managing this case very difficult and recommending any offence focus work. We are also agreed there are no psychopathic traits although there are definitely personality disorder traits. He does not appear to be manipulating the system or staff but is generally assessing staff at all grades as he is currently in a moment of despair/crisis”
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Killer Simon Hall manipulated ‘the system’ since the day he was arrested and prison ‘staff’ since his incarceration and he suddenly turned over a new leaf
*&^^&
‘Currently in a moment of despair/crisis’
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‘You don’t get it do you. I’ve been phoning and phoning because I’ve been trying to tell you I didn’t bloody do it. I was imagining things, seeing things, dreaming things
‘I said things to fit the situation. I said things to hurt you. I’ve got images in my mind from the crime scene photo’s and the video on Rough Justice. I’m not well Stephanie. See, you don’t get it.
Have you looked at false confessions on the internet.
Come on, think about it. I’m not well
‘I’ve spoken to a few people and I’ve written to a few others. I’m seeking out positivity, because that’s what I need ’ ~ killer Simon Hall HMP Wayland
It = commit a ‘brutal’ murder of a ‘defenceless’ woman who lived alone - in her own home - after breaking in via the back kitchen window, knowing her bedroom was at the front of the house
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Has anyone read this book?
‘innocents betrayed’
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There will no doubt be some people who choose to keep their head buried in the sand, but when this innocence fraud is exposed to the few hundred ‘innocent’ people Sandra Lean is betraying…
*&^^&
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Notice how these fraudsters don’t go back and revise their innocence fraud
https://twitter.com/johnmorris_1950/status/918000539492933633
Just like Sandra Lean didn’t with No Smoke
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Nothing from Brian Thornton either https://www.thejusticegap.com/clydach-murders-five-years-working-hopeless-case/
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His ‘research’ has been on innocence fraud
https://www.winchester.ac.uk/about-us/leadership-and-governance/staff-directory/staff-profiles/thornton.php
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Killer Simon Hall did not have any ‘psychiatric issues’
William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
“Mr Hall has presented as having some insight into his behaviour, although this has not always been the case. Such insight as he can demonstrate is further compounded by his apparent lying and ‘testing out’ the reactions of others with what he says.
He considers that he can sometimes ‘introspect’ and understand his anger and his coldness towards others.
“Following the acceptance of his guilt he has become increasingly negative about the motives of staff and other prisoners, believing that he will be ‘forced’ to stay in prison for years beyond his tariff. He does not however see staff or ‘the system’ as ‘out to get him’ because of his years of denial.
His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne. He has made accusations about her (although then mostly withdrawn them) and blames her and his father for how he is, and for what he has done…
Mr Hall has been quite negative about his future since his acceptance of guilt…
There is no evidence from interview or available file evidence to suggest Mr Hall is currently experiencing any active symptoms relating to mental illness; there is no suggestion or diagnosis that he has ever experienced a serious mental illness.
“Most recently his mood has been reflective of feelings of anxiety, sorrow, regret, worry and concerns for himself and what will happen to him
He always had a ‘negative attitude’ toward his adoptive mother Lynne Hall and wrote countless ‘negative’ letters about her to many people, including Phoebe Grant who wrote back in one of her letters;
“You’re (sic) mother has always thought she was the victim in all of this. Always always. But I can’t believe she’s actually playing that card to you. Wrong and unforgivable
Part 12a Phoebe Grant & The Attendance Note(s)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/14/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f-2/
“Mud Sticks - killer Simon Hall (6th Feb 2013)
My Mum still talks about me like a child to this day, even though I haven’t seen or spoken to her for 5 years. She’s still thinks she can speak for me and have a say in my decisions. Her latest TV interview shows that. Why didn’t my Dad stop it? Why does he let her walk all over him? Why didn’t my parents tell the reporters that we’ve not been in contact for years? Why did my mother use it as an opportunity for a cheap shot at my marriage to Stephanie. It’s all about the ‘appearance’ of things. At trial she came across badly in the dock with her performance, putting on her telephone voice. No wonder the jury didn’t believe her and the prosecution called her a liar.
“What is it with families? Why aren’t mine sticking up for me? Where are they? Still attacking Stephanie is probably where, or plotting how to cover their own ar..s. Lets not forget, they knew about the burglary. They spoke to lawyers probably more than I did. The private investigator that was hired to investigate this case wasn’t even told.
“By this time my mother had a new target, my wife. Stephanie Bon jumped right on the bandwagon with her and the witch hunt began. Was that because unlike the previous ultimatum I had chosen my wife over my family? Whatever, the fact is that Stephanie Bon has been out to destroy and damage my wife. I have proof of this. My Mum is too sly for that though and other people do her dirty work for her, like Shaun for example. She’s the expert puppet master, pulling strings and controlling people with her crocodile tears and guilt trips. I’ve had to put up with all of this bullsh*t for so long that I just don’t care for it anymore. I’ve got enough on my plate.
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-6th-february-2013/
Killer Simon Hall was also out to destroy and damage people and was ‘sly’ and also got ‘other people to do’ his ‘dirty work’. He too was ‘the expert puppet master, pulling strings and controlling people’ with his ‘crocodile tears and guilt trips’ right up to his suicide.
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What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?
Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.
This is definitely a motivating factor for Sandra Lean
Sandra Lean
The way I see it, anyone who would take Stephanie's opinion of me, on a forum, at face value isn't worth my time or energy. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383281.html#msg383281
Unfortunately there are people who have been ‘indoctrinated’ by Sandra Lean’s BS and are under her ‘control’
And when people can’t control you they will try to control how others see you
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Killer Simon Hall also said some sick, sexually deviant BS on the Friday before his first suicide attempt in February 2013
His mask had well and truly come off by this point
But he blamed his character and the sick things he said on ‘drugs’
And played the victim
In reality he was out to destroy and damage people and was ‘sly’ and got ‘other people to do’ his ‘dirty work’. He was ‘the expert puppet master, pulling strings and controlling people’ with his ‘crocodile tears and guilt trips’
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Killer Simon Hall also said some sick, sexually deviant BS on the Friday before his first suicide attempt in February 2013
His mask had well and truly come off by this point
Killer Simon Hall’s mask would have come off years ago
And the people who knew him best would have had an inkling about his murder
”We want him to walk free – that's where he should be. I can look people in the eye and know my son is innocent. We believe somewhere out there the real killer is walking free, and that frightens us’” ~ Lynne Hall 2003
“He has a history that he shouldn’t be proud of and to be honest, stolen goods from 11 years ago are the least of his worries
“For the record, we have never been interested in what you do, only that Simon is portrayed in a good way” - Shaun Hall 2013
Part 11a Shaun Hall “It’s Family & It’s Personal
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
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This is definitely a motivating factor for Sandra Lean
Sandra Lean
The way I see it, anyone who would take Stephanie's opinion of me, on a forum, at face value isn't worth my time or energy. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383281.html#msg383281
Unfortunately there are people who have been ‘indoctrinated’ by Sandra Lean’s BS and are under her ‘control’
And when people can’t control you they will try to control how others see you
Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton appears to be a sadist and both killers Simon Hall and Luke Mitchell
They gain ‘sexual pleasurable sensations produced by acts of cruelty’
‘Sexual sadism is infliction of physical or psychologic suffering (eg, humiliation, terror) on another person to stimulate sexual excitement and orgasm
Does Sandra Lean refer to ‘sexual sadism’ in her 2nd book?
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But he blamed his character and the sick things he said on ‘drugs’
And played the victim
In reality he was out to destroy and damage people and was ‘sly’ and got ‘other people to do’ his ‘dirty work’. He was ‘the expert puppet master, pulling strings and controlling people’ with his ‘crocodile tears and guilt trips’
In reality Simon Hall was a sexually sadistic killer, who would have killed again if he were released from prison
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Before being transferred back to closed prison conditions, psychopathic killer Simon Hall made a wealth of ‘disclosures’ but appeared to have a preference to make his disclosures to females, including female prison staff members as opposed the male staff members he was seeing regularly;
For example one entry read;
“… disclosed form of self harm in the form of vigorous masturbation and insertion of objects into anus
“…stated that had used set of hair clippers and a knife (cutlery) to insert in his rectum, stated that when he had used the knife he had wanted to hurt himself, ie; cut himself
The above disclosures were made on the same day he admitted his murder
‘form of self harm’
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He was still fantasising about committing murder - he said so - more than once
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Will be addressing the nonsense of many of these incompetent fraudsters in 2023
The same incompetent fraudsters who choose to attempt to paint dangerous, calculated, cunning, manipulative, sexually deviant killers as harmless victims
There were obviously incompetent fraudsters involved in ‘assessing’ killer Luke Mitchell if the following is to be believed
Again from wrongly accused site
These aspect surely indicate a particular psychological makeup? The psychological reports on Luke all returned normal results.
END
Who requested the report?
Was this done before the trial and was it used?
Sandra Lean - 11th May 2010
As standard procedure, this was requested prior to trial, whilst Luke was on remand. It wasn't used at trial as "evidence" as such - it simply shows that he was mentally fit to stand trial, and was psychologically "normal."
The social enquiry report which is produced for the judge prior to sentencing also portrays Luke as "normal" with little standing out as "warnings" that he may be dangerous - the worst it can manage is a fight with some boys in school (which they started!)
Interestingly, this report concludes, "The fact that he continued to maintain his innocence throughout made any analysis of motive, attitude and risk impossible."
How can you asses "motive" for something someone categorically states they did not do?
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s230.html
What was the name of the incompetent fraudster who stated “The fact that he continued to maintain his innocence throughout made any analysis of motive, attitude and risk impossible”
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‘Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole I've had parents of 14 year olds asking me to sign books for their teenagers who are very interested in the case. I never give the book to under 18s, but if parents are OK with them reading it, then I'm happy to go with their guidance. After all, Luke and Jodi were only 14.
I know of one group of 14 year olds who wanted to do a class project based on the book! I guess, if in doubt, ask the parents!!!
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What a surprise 🙄
http://www.longroadtojustice.com/
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448049.html#msg448049
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The ‘longroadtojustice.com’ link now leading to some kind of pornographic site
Who set this up for Sandra Lean?
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Baby killer Billy Middleton on Sandra Lean’s book ‘No Smoke’
7 December 2009
‘This book provides invaluable insight into the British justice system in a manner anyone can understand and everyone should be aware of. Having subsequently met the author I am also aware that the text is not simply an academic viewpoint but a heartfelt and passionate stand-point based on thorough examination of each featured case.
As a result, Sandra Lean has demonstrated not only an ability to highlight the flaws in each case but an awareness of the emotional turmoil experienced by the accused and families alike. A quality so often void from others writing from a purely sterile perspective.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Smoke-Sandra-Lean/product-reviews/1906628009/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_paging_btm_next_2?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=2
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‘Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole I've had parents of 14 year olds asking me to sign books for their teenagers who are very interested in the case. I never give the book to under 18s, but if parents are OK with them reading it, then I'm happy to go with their guidance. After all, Luke and Jodi were only 14.
I know of one group of 14 year olds who wanted to do a class project based on the book! I guess, if in doubt, ask the parents!!!
This is so disgusting on so many levels - not least because Sandra Lean again uses innocent 14 year old [Name removed] as a commodity to make it seem okay for other innocent 14 year olds and to benefit her. Zero respect!
Does anyone know the name of the teacher who has agreed to this alleged group of 14 years olds basing a ‘class project’ on her fraudulent 2nd book?
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Nikki Mead again
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”Long discussion with Bill Long Psychology who is interviewing SH for HCR-20. We are both agreed that the lines are often blurred between reality and fantasy and this will make managing this case very difficult and recommending any offence focus work. We are also agreed there are no psychopathic traits although there are definitely personality disorder traits. He does not appear to be manipulating the system or staff but is generally assessing staff at all grades as he is currently in a moment of despair/crisis”
And ‘the lines’ were not ’often blurred between reality and fantasy’
These sound like Nikki Mead’s projections
Killer Simon Hall knew exactly what he was doing and saying and who he was manipulating and why.
He got off on the things he would say and do to people
And he knew exactly who would act as his ‘flying monkeys’ and do his bidding for him.
And many of the incompetent fraudsters who worked for HMP services, or outside agencies, did his bidding
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And why did con-artist and liar Sandra Lean make the following post under the pseudonym Angeline on Colin Bowman’s forum on the 26th October 2008;
”I've just started finding my way round this forum, so I'll be bit more active with posts now!”
When Sandra Lean was already registered as Jigsawman and had been since August 2005 and was by October 2008 a GOD member
Part 18a Where Did It Really All Begin & Why
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
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William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
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His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne. He has made accusations about her (although then mostly withdrawn them) and blames her and his father for how he is, and for what he has done…
Mud Sticks - killer Simon Hall (6th Feb 2013)
”It’s all about the ‘appearance’ of things. At trial she came across badly in the dock with her performance, putting on her telephone voice. No wonder the jury didn’t believe her and the prosecution called her a liar.
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-blog-dated-6th-february-2013/[/quote]
Yet Lynne Hall chose to refer to her sexually sadistic killer son (adopted) as ‘brave’
And bare faced lied about him being ‘home now’ if ‘he had pleaded guilty in the beginning’
“I’m absolutely shocked because I know he is innocent and I still believe he is.
“But it’s the system. If he had pleaded guilty in the beginning, he would be home now.
“I know he has been really low and in hospital recently. He’s given up.
“I believe he feels he can’t take any more after all the fight he has put up and how brave he has been. ~
Lynne Hall 8th Aug 2013
Who did any of the above help
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And ‘the lines’ were not ’often blurred between reality and fantasy’
These sound like Nikki Mead’s projections
Killer Simon Hall knew exactly what he was doing and saying and who he was manipulating and why.
He got off on the things he would say and do to people
And he knew exactly who would act as his ‘flying monkeys’ and do his bidding for him.
And many of the incompetent fraudsters who worked for HMP services, or outside agencies, did his bidding
After sexual sadist killer Simon Hall’s 11 1/2 year innocence fraud was exposed consultant psychiatrist (& “medico-legal expert”) Tim Webb;
“..I felt it would be normal to expect him to be in some turmoil at that time but that this was not the same as saying that he was suffering from mental illness.
I likened the position to that of a prisoner who received news that his wife and children had all been killed in some freak accident”
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This is definitely a motivating factor for Sandra Lean
Sandra Lean
The way I see it, anyone who would take Stephanie's opinion of me, on a forum, at face value isn't worth my time or energy. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383281.html#msg383281
Unfortunately there are people who have been ‘indoctrinated’ by Sandra Lean’s BS and are under her ‘control’
And when people can’t control you they will try to control how others see you
She's set up herself as a god on the official LM Justice FB group. Not a single probing question apart from 100% innocent wee laddie and his poor mum's life ruined by a killer still roaming our streets. Sooner she's exposed for the charlatan she is, the better, but I reckon some of her followers are beyond hope - the type that thought Ted Bundy was innocent or the Yorkshire Ripper was a Geordie.
There's no DNA! Police corruption! It was MK because he had a scratch on his face, it must have been him! etc
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She's set up herself as a god on the official LM Justice FB group. Not a single probing question apart from 100% innocent wee laddie and his poor mum's life ruined by a killer still roaming our streets. Sooner she's exposed for the charlatan she is, the better, but I reckon some of her followers are beyond hope - the type that thought Ted Bundy was innocent or the Yorkshire Ripper was a Geordie.
There's no DNA! Police corruption! It was MK because he had a scratch on his face, it must have been him! etc
The Colin Bowman effect
Colin Bowman - 21st November 2010
I now intend to openly protect the forums and the people who make this argument on behalf of Luke Mitchell and others. I can now see that the advancement of a strong MOJ culture and movement, takes priority over both free-speech and individual-rights. Previously I was hanging onto values of free-speech and individual-rights; but I now recognise that the advancement of a MOJ culture and movement, is going to face such obstacles, that making this project happen has to be astutely done and be protected.
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The following were posted by a Colin Bowman,15th May 2007, here: http://gerardkeegan.proboards.com/thread/247/luke-mitchell?page=11
"The Sandra Lean below has been actively concerned with the Luke Mitchell case since before his conviction.
Her book is very concerned about what passes for circumstantial evidence. In it she deals with the Luke Mitchell case.
I understand her to also have been working cooperatively with the Frontline production team.
Does anyone know who exactly Sandra Lean was ‘working cooperatively’ with from the Frontline production team?
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One example -
“ I do not recall anyone from mental health suggesting hospitalisation, and had this been proposed, I thought it would be normal procedure for a psychiatrist to prepare a report. I am not medically qualified to give an opinion, but I recall that Simon was a very complex character. He seemed to have a personality disorder as well as psychiatric issues and I was very concerned that he should be moved to receive more appropriate care.
I was quite shocked to hear of Simon’s death having worked closely with him. I was upset that he had not been able to hold on for his move to Grendon where I believe he would have been able to finally unload his emotions in a safe place ~ Nikki Mead
Nikki Mead was not ‘medically qualified to give an opinion’ but she gave her opinion anyway about a sadistic, psychopathic killer she knew very little about and who had been ‘wrongly convicted’ and in turn wrongly sentenced and who was conning anyone who would listen to him - including Nikki Mead
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William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
“Mr Hall has presented as having some insight into his behaviour, although this has not always been the case. Such insight as he can demonstrate is further compounded by his apparent lying and ‘testing out’ the reactions of others with what he says.
He considers that he can sometimes ‘introspect’ and understand his anger and his coldness towards others.
“Following the acceptance of his guilt he has become increasingly negative about the motives of staff and other prisoners, believing that he will be ‘forced’ to stay in prison for years beyond his tariff. He does not however see staff or ‘the system’ as ‘out to get him’ because of his years of denial.
His most negative attitude he reserves for his parents, and particularly his mother, Lynne. He has made accusations about her (although then mostly withdrawn them) and blames her and his father for how he is, and for what he has done…
Mr Hall has been quite negative about his future since his acceptance of guilt…
There is no evidence from interview or available file evidence to suggest Mr Hall is currently experiencing any active symptoms relating to mental illness; there is no suggestion or diagnosis that he has ever experienced a serious mental illness.
“Most recently his mood has been reflective of feelings of anxiety, sorrow, regret, worry and concerns for himself and what will happen to him
Psychopathic killer Simon Hall had complete insight when he planned his murder back in 2001, after which, according to his adoptive mother Lynne Hall, on the day he committed his murder “…appeared to enjoy our family day and was his usual entertaining self”
Part 3 Adoption
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-3-%EF%B8%8F/
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This is the level of intellect demonstrated back in Jul/Aug 2013
7th August 2013 - some notes of case review
Notes begin with:
“Further discussion was had in respect of the essence of Mr Hall’s constant watch
If a member of staff is with Mr Hall 24 hours a day and he smokes there is the consideration of passive smoke to the staff member and this would be treated as non-compliance by Mr Hall
It was agreed that Mr Hall go on a constant watch and that Mr Hall may not like this, as he has expressed in the past that he found it very intrusive
“Mr Hall has apologised to some people for lying to them about his innocence
“The radio and local TV will pick up on this story and we believe it is possible in a day or two the national papers will also pick up on it. Once the story is released to the EADT tomorrow the other papers will pick up on it.
We don’t know what Colin Adwent, EADT may write as he has previously been a supporter of Mr Hall an as such it is not possible to gauge what may be written in local newspapers
Stephanie is possibly feeling quite humiliated regarding the entries on the Justice for Hall website which have not been complimentary and how will they affect Mr Hall”
Colin Adwent now works for Suffolk police
https://www.suffolk.police.uk/about-us/our-organisation/our-people
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William (Bill) Long - Nov 2013
“There is no evidence from interview or available file evidence to suggest Mr Hall is currently experiencing any active symptoms relating to mental illness; there is no suggestion or diagnosis that he has ever experienced a serious mental illness.
“Most recently his mood has been reflective of feelings of anxiety, sorrow, regret, worry and concerns for himself and what will happen to him
Killer Simon Hall didn’t have PTSD either - but Paul McLaughlin from MOJO Scotland’s ‘self help” pack on PTSD was helpful to him
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/18/psychopathic-killer-simon-hall-25th-march-2013-blog/
MOJO secured a 2 year supervised traineeship for Scott Forbes with Graham Mann solicitors.
Around the same time securing a paid placement for Paul McLaughlin (who was mentioned in the news article here https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439054-miscarriages-of-justice-charity-stripped-of-lottery-funding/)
In their annual report MOJO stated:
“Paul and Scott have been a huge asset to the Organisation and in taking the
Projects aims and objectives forward.”
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What I'm still unsure of SL, SF & Co is if they genuinely believe LM is innocent and can't see any other possibilty, or are they just in it to make a name for themselves?
Surely after decades of research they must have some doubts but have continued their campaign to save losing face and keep themselves in the public eye.
Defo “to make a name for themselves”
And their innocence FRAUD is see through
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Simon Hall Dead
« on: February 23, 2014, 02:19:54 pm »
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I'm sad to report that Stephanie Hall received the news that Simon Hall was found dead in his cell this morning.
Why did con artist Sandra Lean choose to post this when she did
Why did posting this seem to be a priority for her?
And why was she ‘sad’ - she only ever met him once as far as I’m aware
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On 10th January 2017 Sandra Lean stated:
"You see, to this day, we have only Stephanie’s word about the circumstances leading up to the confession, the circumstances of the confession itself, the state of Simon’s mental and emotional well-being (or otherwise), the content of the confession etc. We have no information about how the confession was given or accepted (it was reported at the inquest that he “told his wife” who then “told him to tell the prison.” I have no idea if that is true or not – it was reported in the media, after all.) I’m not inclined to simply take Stephanie’s word (or anyone else’s for that matter) at face value.
But, of course, that is my opinion, one I’m perfectly entitled to hold" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=595.msg429131#msg429131
When killer Simon Hall knew he was moving back to an open prison in Suffolk, he realised it was possible prison staff members would know Joan Albert’s extended family members would know things about his murder and him and his trial, which other people didn’t know - like the prison staff in Hampshire
After the 5th of November 2012 (Zenith window burglary revelation) he kept getting caught in lie after lie
The dysfunctional Hall family dynamics and the lengths they were all prepared to go to in order to portray a sexually sadistic killer and psychopathic predator “in a good light” and protect their lies and concoctions were there for all to see
But people like fraudster Sandra Lean pretended she couldn’t see them and continued to attempt to create diversions and deflections
They’ll be more on this in 2023
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And why did con-artist and liar Sandra Lean make the following post under the pseudonym Angeline on Colin Bowman’s forum on the 26th October 2008;
”I've just started finding my way round this forum, so I'll be bit more active with posts now!”
When Sandra Lean was already registered as Jigsawman and had been since August 2005 and was by October 2008 a GOD member
Con-artist
Of similar ilk to the dangerous, psychopathic killers and predators she chooses to shill for
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Journalist turned MSP Russell Findlay wrote the following http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1049.msg29979#msg29979
Russell Findlay also wrote and published an article headed “Miscarriages of justice charity stripped of lottery funding“ which suggested Mr Findlay had been in direct contact with Sandra Lean - or at least received a statement from her (either directly from her or passed on from her by someone else)
Russell Findlay also wrote and published articles on psychopathic killers Joe Steeel and Thomas Campbell claiming they didn’t commit the crimes https://twitter.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1145689825447763968
Neither convicted killers ever proved their actual, factual innocence!
“Foolish Stuart Dempsey Follow’s Toxic Abuser Michelle Moore & ‘Balls Of Steel’ Scott Forbes..”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-foolish-stuart-dempsey-follows-toxic-abuser-michelle-moore-balls-of-steel-scott-forbes-part-113/
Russell Findlay also wrote and published the innocence fraud grift of David Wilson on Margaret McLaughlin’s killer George Beattie (the case/campaign has all the usual hallmarks/red flags)
As previously referred to in the post below
Lots of people can and do get sucked into the very real innocence fraud phenomenon grift - reasons vary
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/narcos-scotland-glasgow-ice-cream-24129341
And not all people who promote these innocence frauds are motivated by alleged altruism and honesty or because of their alleged knowledge on killers
“Rough Justice was a TV programme produced by a man named Peter Hill.
The programme was axed and Peter Hill works on his own on the George Beattie case.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s3110.html
Peter Hill attended killer Simon Hall’s December 2010 appeal - according to Sandra Lean he was her ‘spy’
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There are all a bunch of fraudsters
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Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matt Elliotts ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
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Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
CON ARTIST SANDRA LEAN’S PROJECTION’S ON OTHER PEOPLE & SLANDER
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/06/luke-mitchell-the-untold-truth-by-true-crime-natters-truecrimenatters/
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‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
Video Journalism Tutor At Harlow College Naomi Channell - TV Producer For Curve Media @curvemediatv
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/05/video-journalism-tutor-at-harlow-college-is-naomi-channell-tv-producer-of-curve-media/
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Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
Lots of facts in the above video which fraudster Sandra Lean, and guilty killer Luke Mitchell (and his lying mother Corinne) have hidden from their unsuspecting ‘supporters’
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‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Coming Soon
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The police weren’t ‘running around’ as abuser and charlatan Sandra Lean claimed here
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
The police were investigating and they uncovered a great deal during their investigations - much of which Sandra Lean has chosen to lie by omission about - for 20 years!
The true narrative is not in the public domain because up until now con artist and ‘wordsmith’ Sandra Lean’s (and guilty killer Luke and his lying mother Corinne) malicious and false narrative has dominated the WWW following the scam TV show in 2021
Not dissimilar to many of these other innocence fraud cases and campaigns, like guilty killer Simon Hall
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
Toxic abuser Sandra Lean has intentionally attempted to brainwash many people into falling for her varying lies and BS and false narratives by using various manipulative tactics and baiting techniques
“Narcissists and psychopaths manufacture chaos to keep you focused on them and only them. They know they cannot sustain your interest in them long-term because they rely on a false mask to navigate the world.
Manufactured chaos allows malignant narcissists to keep you on the hamster wheel of trying to figure out their intentions and second-guessing yourself. They try to train you to question what you did wrong rather than holding them accountable for their actions. They convince you that setting boundaries or expressing discomfort with their disturbing antics is the problem, rather than their problematic behavior”
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/10/5-terrifying-ways-narcissists-and-psychopaths-manufacture-chaos-provoke-and-manipulate-you#1
I’ve long suspected Sandra Lean to be a psychopath
They’ll be more on the above - coming soon
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‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Manufactured chaos allows malignant narcissists to keep you on the hamster wheel of trying to figure out their intentions and second-guessing yourself. They try to train you to question what you did wrong rather than holding them accountable for their actions. They convince you that setting boundaries or expressing discomfort with their disturbing antics is the problem, rather than their problematic behavior”[/i][/color]
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/10/5-terrifying-ways-narcissists-and-psychopaths-manufacture-chaos-provoke-and-manipulate-you#1
I’ve long suspected Sandra Lean to be a psychopath
That would be a good explanation. Has she not at various points withdrawn from the campaign only to re-emerge saying she'll never stop fighting for the truth, as long as it's her truth and not anyone elses.
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I’ve long suspected Sandra Lean to be a psychopath
That would be a good explanation.
There will be a bit more on this here 👇
‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Has she not at various points withdrawn from the campaign only to re-emerge saying she'll never stop fighting for the truth, as long as it's her truth and not anyone elses.
Sandra Lean does not fight ‘for the truth’ she does everything she possibly can to keep the truth from being told!
She’s similar to a female version of Bernie Madoff only the money Sandra has made off the back of her fraud pales in comparison to Madoff
This has never been about ‘truth’ or ‘justice’ for Sandra Lean
What she does is grounded in her psychopathy. She’s a [moderated]
Sandra Lean is a cruel and callous individual who couldn’t careless about guilty killer Luke Mitchell, his lying mother Corinne or any other dangerous and disordered con artist she chooses to shill for.
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Keith Steedman
The amount of time between the murder and when they actually charged Luke tells you they had no evidence whatsoever to support their claims that Luke did it so just made up stories and got the msm to publish they lies after the dna didn’t show Luke had done it they had no choice but to fabricate evidence so they could say look we were right he did do it..3 separate witnesses and 3 different sets of clothes in the space of an hour that tells you that either they all saw different people or the police just used that as circumstantial evidence that it possibly could have been Luke it’s so outrageous that normal people wouldn’t believe it could actually happen BUT PLS LISTEN IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOUR CHILD!!!
Ana Azaria
Keith Steedman I think you're right with people not believing that this could happen - I've heard people (including a Police officer) say 'but they must have had something on him'...but when you look in to the case, its clear to see that its all just been smoke and mirrors
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What a psychopath
Sandra Lean
Why, if people insist they have truth on their side, do they feel the need to tell lies to "support" their truth? It blows my mind!!!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/06/luke-mitchell-the-untold-truth-by-true-crime-natters-truecrimenatters/
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What was Ruby/Des Guetta’s dog called?
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Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter has recently had a ‘rant’ online and publicly announced she’s apparently being evicted from her rental property
Sandra’s response
Sandra Lean
4 weeks ago
This is one of the most positive videos I have seen in a very long time. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, so let me explain. I'm turning 60 this year, so I lived through the social unrest of the late 1970s and early 80s in the UK. In the years since Unicorn Princess was born, there's been a disturbing apathy here - I'm OK, if it doesn't affect me, I'm not interested, sort of approach.
To see young people standing up, now, saying, no, this isn't right. Taking the time to educate themselves and others about what's going on and, perhaps, most importantly, supporting those taking unpopular action to try to redress the balance is AWESOME!!! This is your world, your future, and you need to fight for it. So very proud of those of you who are taking that stand now.
Many ‘young people’ don’t have a clue about empaths, apaths and narcissistic sociopaths/psychopaths
Note how Sandra uses the words ‘young people’ when referring to her 30 plus year old daughter. Whereas the psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell, who is a similar (same?) age to Sandra’s oldest daughter, referred to this as ‘middle aged’
Many of the people Sandra Lean appears to target and recruit into her fraudulent campaign appear to be apaths.
Excerpts from The Sociopath Empath Apath Triad Explained
“The Sociopath-Empath-Apath Triad very accurately describes a method of psychological abuse employed regularly by psychopaths, sociopaths and other toxic characters. It involves the basic method of triangulation, which many people will be familiar with, where the sociopath effectively uses other people as a pawn to play off against their target or empath.
Through miscommunication, lies and other manipulative tactics, the sociopath effectively turns others against their target or at least creates a situation where they do not openly support the target. This adds to the feeling of isolation and helplessness a target can feel, particularly in a work environment, since they feel they are up against not just the poisonous behaviour of the sociopath, but also the apathy and moral indifference of others close to the situation.
This is an extremely common dynamic and adds to the gas-lighting effect that is part and parcel of how sociopaths target their victims. Since the victim remains unvalidated and unsupported, their distress over the entire situation is often vastly increased and this is sadly down not just to the sociopath but the weakness and apathy of the majority of the rest of the human race who are not evil themselves but do not tend to stand up to evil either.
The Apath is the person or group of people who are “stuck in the middle” to some extent, being neither psychopathic nor particularly strong, moral or observant in the same way that the Empath is. They tend to be the people who “go along to get along” and may on some shallow level realize something is wrong with the sociopath, but are not strong enough to stand up against them or back the Empath up.
Otherwise they may simply be easily influenced people lacking in integrity and self awareness and therefore very easily manipulated and turned against the Empath by the Sociopath. They are not usually intuitive and observant like the empath and therefore do not spot (or else ignore) the glaring red flags the sociopath will give off in terms of manipulative and deceitful behaviour.
Apaths form the bulk of the “masses” or “crowd” from which most of humanity is made up from. They are basically on some core level good but also passive and not particularly courageous or moral in standing up against evil they see being committed against others.
The sociopath could not get away with their abuse without the help of these apaths though and the issue of apathy and moral weakness is something the human race as a whole needs to address. On the micro level it leads to scenarios like the SEAT dynamic; on the macro level it leads to parties like the Nazis getting into power and committing atrocities, firstly against minorities but later against anyone who objects to them at all.
Read more👇
https://psychopathsinlife.com/the-sociopath-empath-apath-triad-explained/
“In a very broad sense, empathy can be a defining quality for personality type. On one end of the scale you have empaths, who are highly sensitive and very in tune to other people's emotions. On the other end, you have people who are devoid of empathy, such as sociopaths and narcissists.
To further complicate things, there are people who are capable of feelings, but just don't care enough to use them. These people are called "apaths."
People with Dark Tetrad personality traits — sadism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and narcissism — play games with their partners to break down their self esteem. To succeed, they sometimes recruit helpers to help control and manipulate their partners. Apaths fit this role very well.
Shannon Thomas, author of "Healing from Hidden Abuse: A Journey Through the Stages of Recovery from Psychological Abuse," told Business Insider an apath is someone who is apathetic to the harm in their social circle, particularly if someone is being manipulative, hurtful, or abusive. Their role, she said, is critical to the narcissist's game.
"An apath is the wing-person to a narcissist and plays a key role in normalising the toxic individual and their harmful behaviors towards others," she said. "A narcissist must have apaths in their life to keep the facade of social normalcy going. Apaths create the illusion that a narcissist has friends, is well-liked and can get along with everyone, except the target of abuse."
Rather than standing up for the victim, or giving them support in the fact they are being mistreated, the apath will instead be completely indifferent to their suffering. When challenged, they come up with excuses and say things like "it's not my battle," or "well, they don't treat me that way."
By minding their own business, they are effectively being a pawn on the narcissist's gameboard, making the victim believe they must be going crazy.
In some online forums, apaths are known as "flying monkeys," like the Wicked Witch's helpers in "The Wizard of Oz." They do all the narcissist's dirty work behind the scenes while the narcissist can sit back and watch.
"Many apaths are also hidden abusers themselves and they will cluster together in family and friend groups to keep each other's secrets," Thomas said. "Another type of apath believes it is better to join the abuser in their games than ever run the risk of becoming a future target of the narcissist."
In other words, apaths recruit an avoidance strategy and a "rather you than me" mindset to stay in the narcissist's good books. This makes them particularly dangerous, because there's no way to tell where their limits are. Studies have shown how people can blindly follow orders and become agents in a terrible, destructive processes as as result.
More here 👇
Narcissists often recruit people called 'apaths' to help with their games — here's why they're dangerous
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-an-apath-is-and-why-they-are-dangerous-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
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Sandra Lean
4 weeks ago
This is one of the most positive videos I have seen in a very long time. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, so let me explain. I'm turning 60 this year, so I lived through the social unrest of the late 1970s and early 80s in the UK. In the years since Unicorn Princess was born, there's been a disturbing apathy here - I'm OK, if it doesn't affect me, I'm not interested, sort of approach.
To see young people standing up, now, saying, no, this isn't right. Taking the time to educate themselves and others about what's going on and, perhaps, most importantly, supporting those taking unpopular action to try to redress the balance is AWESOME!!! This is your world, your future, and you need to fight for it. So very proud of those of you who are taking that stand now.
Psychopathic, narcissistic fraud speak 👆🏽
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What a psychopath
Sandra Lean
Why, if people insist they have truth on their side, do they feel the need to tell lies to "support" their truth? It blows my mind!!!
Why do you choose to tell various types of lies (and so many of them) Sandra Lean to promote yours and the actual, factual guilty killers innocence fraud?
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That would be a good explanation. Has she not at various points withdrawn from the campaign only to re-emerge saying she'll never stop fighting for the truth, as long as it's her truth and not anyone elses.
Worth a read or listening to
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The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Up_UDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT9&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Audiobook https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aAyHpTQIJTQ
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That would be a good explanation. Has she not at various points withdrawn from the campaign only to re-emerge saying she'll never stop fighting for the truth, as long as it's her truth and not anyone elses.
Sandra Lean is a bare faced liar
She has groomed and conned so many people who have no idea they have been and are being exploited
Transcript of Hoaxer Sandra Lean’s 27th June 2021 ‘Exit’ Speech Re: Factually Guilty Killer Luke Mitchell & The Infighting
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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Sandra Lean
Good evening, everyone - I'm sorry I haven't provided a template in response to the MSP responses just yet - I've had a couple ready and then things have changed (again) behind the scenes. At the minute, I have to be careful about what goes into the public domain on these matters, but I will update on this as soon as I can. Thanks for your patience.
Yet more baiting and crazy making behaviour
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Sandra Lean
Michael Taylor Oh, lordy - I do that all the time!!! Do you mean the "untold truth" podcast? I listened to the whole thing - the amount of misinformation and outright lies is astounding. Getting very close to slanderous in places.
Scaremongering/fear mongering
https://howtokillanarcissist.com/characteristics-of-a-narcissist/
https://hopefulpanda.com/narcissistic-baiting/
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Jo Sally Marie Dunn
Hi everyone, I’ve just finished the podcast by Naomi Channel & I don’t know where to start. The whole thing is utterly heartbreaking. I have no idea how Luke & his family have survived this long without completely losing it.
What you’re all doing is amazing. I’m praying that justice will be served. ❤️
Val Adam
I was the same after listening to Naomi’s podcast “Through the Wall” can’t believe how he got convicted with no evidence etc….mind blowing 🤯
I’ve just downloaded some podcasts about Luke’s case yo listen to, some with his lawyers etc….I hope enough people become aware and it’s highlighted in the media so he can get out and the real perpetrator is caught 😠
42 days worth of evidence and somehow Val Adam is of the belief there was ‘no evidence’
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‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Jo Sally Marie Dunn
Hi everyone, I’ve just finished the podcast by Naomi Channel & I don’t know where to start. The whole thing is utterly heartbreaking. I have no idea how Luke & his family have survived this long without completely losing it.
What you’re all doing is amazing. I’m praying that justice will be served. ❤️
Val Adam
I was the same after listening to Naomi’s podcast “Through the Wall” can’t believe how he got convicted with no evidence etc….mind blowing 🤯
I’ve just downloaded some podcasts about Luke’s case yo listen to, some with his lawyers etc….I hope enough people become aware and it’s highlighted in the media so he can get out and the real perpetrator is caught 😠
42 days worth of evidence and somehow Val Adam is of the belief there was ‘no evidence’
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‘Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
The power of propaganda
What Are the Tools of Propaganda?
“Whether the propagandist works in a peacetime or wartime situation, he uses certain tools to mobilize opinions and attitudes. What are these tools?
An important one is suggestion. Another word for it is stimulation.
The propagandist tries to stimulate others to accept without challenge his own assertions, or to act as he wants them to do. The idea of using suggestion or stimulation as a propaganda device is that it will lead a public to accept a proposition even though there are not logical grounds for accepting it. The propagandist usually tries to side-step critical reactions from his audience, and therefore suggestion is one of his most important tools.
How does the propagandist use this tool? By making broad and positive statements. By presenting his statements in simple and familiar language. By refusing to admit, or even suggest, that there is another side to the question.
https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/em-2-what-is-propaganda-(1944)/what-are-the-tools-of-propaganda
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CON ARTIST SANDRA LEAN’S PROJECTION’S ON OTHER PEOPLE & SLANDER
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/06/luke-mitchell-the-untold-truth-by-true-crime-natters-truecrimenatters/
Did LM really kill the dog and attack his uncle with a baseball bat? Hadn't heard that before but wouldn't surprise me.
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Did LM really kill the dog and attack his uncle with a baseball bat? Hadn't heard that before but wouldn't surprise me.
No silly, you’ve got your rumours all wrong. He killed his uncle and attacked the dog with a baseball bat.
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Did the dog die though? This sounds like a case for Detective Forbes to crack although might take a few years.
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What did the various police witness statements say, including all the Mitchell’s, about Ruby and Des Guetta and the dog?
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Did the dog die though? This sounds like a case for Detective Forbes to crack although might take a few years.
Haven’t you heard of animal sacrifices? All the Satanists in Dalkeith were at it at the time I’m reliably informed….either that or I read it in the Daily Record.
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Jean Douglas Armstrong
It's all been a shambles from day one. The system is so fkd up big time with corruption. Its a disgrace what this lad has gone through. But having heard his last voice recording, all I can say is what an amazing, strong, intelligent and determined young lad this is fighting still to clear his name.
He knows the public are getting stronger behind him. Our voices will be heard far and wide. Keep spreading the word out there and share everything out to the silent public who need awareness in this injustice caused to him and others caught up in this huge web of deceipt.
Huge thanks goes to the determination of Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes to raise awareness in this case and also to the podcasts etc that are behind Luke too. Its been a long hard road but the cogs in the wheel are certainly turning now.
Not forgetting his poor mum Corrine. You too have gone through so much. It's sad that you too lost everything in life because your boy was wrongly huckled away. Your home, business, your son, your health and the life you had. But times are changing for the better and hopefully justice is served for all the wrong in society and the evil perpetrators jailed.
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Did Corinne Mitchell harass her oldest son Shane Mitchell to lie for her youngest killer son?
Comparison of Scottish and English Law of Interdicts, Injunctions and Super Injunctions
“Under Scottish Law, an Interdict is a civil court order, that tells someone to either not do something, or to stay away from you. This can also be your house, place of work, or children, etc. In Scotland, if the person breaches the Interdict, they might be arrested, if the Interdict gives them powers to do so. In Scotland, Injunctions and Super Injunctions do not work, as you will see later on in the report.
Most people in Scotland, take out these orders, as they could be experiencing domestic violence from their partner, or ex-partner. It can also be obtained against family members or someone who is stalking or harassing you.
With some Interdicts, depending on the situation, there can be power of arrest attached to the order. If the person, who the Interdict is against, breaches the court order, then the police can arrest them without a warrant, and could end up in court, or even prison
https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/civil-law/super-injunctions-scots-law-7911.php
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Did Corinne Mitchell harass her oldest son Shane Mitchell to lie for her youngest killer son?
Comparison of Scottish and English Law of Interdicts, Injunctions and Super Injunctions
“Under Scottish Law, an Interdict is a civil court order, that tells someone to either not do something, or to stay away from you. This can also be your house, place of work, or children, etc. In Scotland, if the person breaches the Interdict, they might be arrested, if the Interdict gives them powers to do so. In Scotland, Injunctions and Super Injunctions do not work, as you will see later on in the report.
Most people in Scotland, take out these orders, as they could be experiencing domestic violence from their partner, or ex-partner. It can also be obtained against family members or someone who is stalking or harassing you.
With some Interdicts, depending on the situation, there can be power of arrest attached to the order. If the person, who the Interdict is against, breaches the court order, then the police can arrest them without a warrant, and could end up in court, or even prison
https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/civil-law/super-injunctions-scots-law-7911.php
When Shane Mitchell moved out did Corinne Mitchell also write to him like she did Judith Jones?
This was after liar Corinne Mitchell had written to Judith Jones stating;
“Although we are deeply hurt, we will respect your wishes
'As you will understand we, too, wish to say goodbye so we wrote her a poem as she herself loved poetry
'As we cannot be there, could you please have the poem read out so at least Luke can express his feelings
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s first discredited book No Smoke on actual, factual guilty killer Luke Mitchell
“Like Simon Hall and John Taft, a central aspect to the case involves a piece of clothing claimed to have belonged to the defendant, but that claim is never, at any point, backed up by proof. Also, as with Simon Hall, the lack of a definitive time of death allows a presumption to be presented almost as fact – neither Luke nor Simon had a cast iron alibi at a specific time, therefore the prosecution presumes that to be the time of death.
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s first discredited book No Smoke on actual, factual guilty killer Luke Mitchell
“Like Simon Hall and John Taft, a central aspect to the case involves a piece of clothing claimed to have belonged to the defendant, but that claim is never, at any point, backed up by proof. Also, as with Simon Hall, the lack of a definitive time of death allows a presumption to be presented almost as fact – neither Luke nor Simon had a cast iron alibi at a specific time, therefore the prosecution presumes that to be the time of death.
[moderated] Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative on actual, factual guilty killer Simon Hall
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/
What Sandra Lean didn’t write about/omitted and lied about
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/04/27/quite-a-hall-tale-part-1-%EF%B8%8F/
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Sheryl Oribine
Sandra Lean Ive always wondered with his violent outbursts and ecspecially after the attack on Jodi at home when he was sectioned how he was allowed to move back into the family home when the minor who he attacked was also living there i feel social services should have removed Jodi from the house to protect her from being hurt again 💔
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=693200715564432&id=100046235283735&set=a.101746708043172
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What was Ruby/Des Guetta’s dog called?
Does con artist Sandra Lean name all the dogs Corinne/Ruby and Des Guetta had prior to Mia in her second book or does she lie by omission like she’s done with the killers missing yellow framed bike?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
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Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike. I'll continue this n my next post. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
Sandra Lean
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
If push bikes did feature “with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation” why didn’t con woman Sandra Lean mention the killers yellow framed push bike in her first discredited book No Smoke?
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
According to the above Shane Mitchell took out an injunction against his mother Corinne Mitchell
Does anyone have any more information on this?
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Ana Azaria
Ann Rushford They were never able to prove that the T shirt belonged to her sister, it was a theory offered by the Police to explain the sperm sample as innocent transfer. You're right, they didnt live in the same house, also, the sperm was from a mixed sample with Jodi's blood, it really should have been investigated...
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Didn’t con artist Sandra Lean say in another of her baiting videos here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA [Name removed] was living with her gran and sister?
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“Manufactured chaos allows malignant narcissists to keep you on the hamster wheel…
“Narcissists and psychopaths are well-known for a tactic known as “baiting.” They deliberately provoke you so that you emotionally react and swallow their blameshifting hook, line, and sinker. When you fall for it, narcissists and psychopaths go to great lengths to create circular conversations that go nowhere – they use these conversations as a space for their gaslighting, emotional invalidation, and projection.
When called out for their deplorable behavior, narcissists play the victim and lash out in narcissistic rage when you dare to confront them, however politely..
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/10/5-terrifying-ways-narcissists-and-psychopaths-manufacture-chaos-provoke-and-manipulate-you#1
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Ana Azaria
Ann Rushford They were never able to prove that the T shirt belonged to her sister, it was a theory offered by the Police to explain the sperm sample as innocent transfer. You're right, they didnt live in the same house, also, the sperm was from a mixed sample with Jodi's blood, it really should have been investigated...
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Didn’t con artist Sandra Lean say in another of her baiting videos here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA [Name removed] was living with her gran and sister?
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“Manufactured chaos allows malignant narcissists to keep you on the hamster wheel…
“Narcissists and psychopaths are well-known for a tactic known as “baiting.” They deliberately provoke you so that you emotionally react and swallow their blameshifting hook, line, and sinker. When you fall for it, narcissists and psychopaths go to great lengths to create circular conversations that go nowhere – they use these conversations as a space for their gaslighting, emotional invalidation, and projection.
When called out for their deplorable behavior, narcissists play the victim and lash out in narcissistic rage when you dare to confront them, however politely..
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/10/5-terrifying-ways-narcissists-and-psychopaths-manufacture-chaos-provoke-and-manipulate-you#1
It is all a crock of s**t - There was no application that the semen got on the top in the first instance from a washing cycle. The application was that the primary source was upon that top, then it went through a washing cycle with some surviving and trace/transferal/diffusion to other areas. Where we know that SK stayed over at the grans house frequently. Naturally there are going to be mixed profiles.
Here is something else which shows the absolute ease in which everything is manipulated to hell - JaJ's was born in 1984 and her father died in 1998, we know she was 13 at the time of his death, turning 14 the same year. He died at what had been the "family home" for several years, the grandmothers house. They stayed there approx a year after his death before moving to Easthouses! JaJ's was indeed 14 when she moved from the "family home", which was the grandmothers house to Easthouses with her mother and siblings! Staying there for over a year before returning to her former home, her grandmothers house, when she was all but 16yrs old! - It really is all in the detail and not the wilful inference led around the manipulation!
A girl has several black tops as does her sister. Almost identical, they are black t-shirts, but different makes/manufacturers. Frequently borrowing/helping themselves to the others clothes. The victim is wearing a black top and the police need to find out how SK's semen was upon that top. Leading would have been to take the top and show it to the sister and say "Is this your top?" They didn't do this (Not until the trial), did they now! They without doubt, even with what will be bog standard manipulation from these fraudsters, begun to ascertain if any of JaJ's tops where missing. Now, if a girl has several black tops, she is not going to know one is missing unless she has actively went to find a certain one to put on, is she now? Very much the reason why she would/did not know one was not there!
Again, we only need to keep on highlighting the wilful manipulation at play to then apply this across the board - These are not mistakes on repeat, it is blatant manipulation, wilful intent to deceive. From someone who was in bed with the Mitchell's in 2003, with what is nothing less than a massive conflict of interest. Without a doubt kindred spirits! The ease in which all deceive is done by nature, is it not?
Lean tells people, if someone says something to them then ask a question as an answer, 'it works for her!' So one is teaching people how to stick to the narrative by being deceptive themselves. Such as the clothing, if one states Mitchell knew what the victim was wearing then ask them "What top did she have on then?" To use avoidance tactics.
And again, we just keep on taking what can easily be spotted as being manipulated to hell and we apply it across the board - Dishonesty breed more of the same, and it is rife in this claim of innocence! Switching constantly from didn't do it, to not enough evidence in law to convict - Evidently when the bloody truth is being "hidden"
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It is all a crock of s**t
Yep
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Evidently when the bloody truth is being "hidden"
Did Sandra Lean name all the dogs the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had over the years in her second book?
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Did Sandra Lean name all the dogs the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had over the years in her second book?
Did Sandra Lean refer to interdict‘s in her 2nd book?
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Did Sandra Lean name all the dogs the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had over the years in her second book?
This person appears to think it was Shane Mitchell who killed a family dog
“This might be a necro, but I thought I'd give you some information. I grew up around the Cockburn Street scene in Edinburgh of which Luke was a part off. From the get go, it was well established that Luke's brother was very disturbed. I was friends with people who knew the family personally who attested to the brutal killing of a family dog by Luke's brother
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5987206
whereas it states here it was killer Luke Mitchell who was responsible
Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
Again what does Sandra Lean state were the names of each of the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s dogs and what did she say happened to each of them
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Never trust anyone that uses excessive exclamation marks which SL does in abundance to make a point !!! As though one isn't enough. I briefly watched that SL video from further up the page with the volume off and subtitles on and her constant smirking and hand signals are very revealing of her message.
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Never trust anyone that uses excessive exclamation marks which SL does in abundance to make a point !!! As though one isn't enough. I briefly watched that SL video from further up the page with the volume off and subtitles on and her constant smirking and hand signals are very revealing of her message.
This one you mean https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA
What a psycho she appears to be
Her baiting and bashing attempts don’t work anymore like she wants them to
“Toxic people regularly engage in this extraordinarily vile behavior. They get away with it because they are deviously skilled at misleading others and obscuring what is actually going on.
https://psychopathresistance.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/baiting-and-bashing/
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Never trust anyone that uses excessive exclamation marks which SL does in abundance to make a point !!! As though one isn't enough. I briefly watched that SL video from further up the page with the volume off and subtitles on and her constant smirking and hand signals are very revealing of her message.
Sandra Lean and her manipulative ways
SMEAR CAMPAIGNS.
Covert predators like these will spread falsehoods to slander your reputation or smear your credibility to others.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/01/11-manipulation-and-sabotage-tactics-of-narcissists-sociopaths-psychopaths#2.-CREATING-DEPENDENCY-THROUGH-INTERMITTENT-REINFORCEMENT-AND-LOVE-BOMBING.
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There was a time on WAP when Corinne Mitchell was prepared to answer questions from forum members but that soon ended when the questions became unanswerable. That was another key moment in the believability of the defence case.
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Sandra Lean abused you during that video with those two morons from jibberJabber when they and she referred to you as a ‘malevolent troll’ John
She knew/knows you were on to her and their innocence fraud
Jay Mack referred to you as a ‘malevolent troll’ Sandra Lean agreed with him
Sandra Lean:
“This guy will try to discredit everything I say. So Mr Lamberton there is no other route back to Luke’s house that he can get there without walking up the main road because there’s only one point of entry to the house and that’s the front door - back gardens all back onto each other so he cannae get in the back door without coming through somebody else’s house”
“The abuser works overtime to paint you as the abuser in order to escape accountability for his or her actions.
At the root of all smear campaigns is character assassination. Malignant narcissists preemptively strike with personal attacks in an attempt to unsettle you and smear your good name because they are pathologically envious or threatened.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/01/11-manipulation-and-sabotage-tactics-of-narcissists-sociopaths-psychopaths#1.-SMEAR-CAMPAIGNS.
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There was a time on WAP when Corinne Mitchell was prepared to answer questions from forum members but that soon ended when the questions became unanswerable. That was another key moment in the believability of the defence case.
Corinne Mitchell has given a lot away over the years
Did Corinne ever mention anything about injunctions/interdicts and did she ever mention the names of the dogs her and her mother Ruby and brother Des had had over the years?
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There was a time on WAP when Corinne Mitchell was prepared to answer questions from forum members but that soon ended when the questions became unanswerable. That was another key moment in the believability of the defence case.
Sandra Lean:
“This guy will try to discredit everything I say. So Mr Lamberton there is no other route back to Luke’s house that he can get there without walking up the main road because there’s only one point of entry to the house and that’s the front door - back gardens all back onto each other so he cannae get in the back door without coming through somebody else’s house”
Wonder how many people fell for Sandra Lean’s nonsense and were left thinking killer Luke walked ‘up the main road’ after committing his murder
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There was a time on WAP when Corinne Mitchell was prepared to answer questions from forum members but that soon ended when the questions became unanswerable. That was another key moment in the believability of the defence case.
Wasn’t Corinne Mitchell banned from the WAP forum?
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Sandra Lean abused you during that video with those two morons from jibberJabber when they and she referred to you as a ‘malevolent troll’ John
She knew/knows you were on to her and their innocence fraud
“The abuser works overtime to paint you as the abuser in order to escape accountability for his or her actions.
At the root of all smear campaigns is character assassination. Malignant narcissists preemptively strike with personal attacks in an attempt to unsettle you and smear your good name because they are pathologically envious or threatened.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/01/11-manipulation-and-sabotage-tactics-of-narcissists-sociopaths-psychopaths#1.-SMEAR-CAMPAIGNS.
You and I know very well how that all plays out. I would have been disappointed if I hadn't got that reaction @)(++(*
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You and I know very well how that all plays out. I would have been disappointed if I hadn't got that reaction @)(++(*
Do you recall some of Colin Bowman’s bs ?
And do you know why he chose to delete his ‘fact and myth’ forum and drop out of campaigning for the guilty killer Luke Mitchell?
More on Colin Bowman here
‘Psychology Student’ Colin Bowman On Killer Luke Mitchell & His ‘Fact & Myth’ Forum
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/psychology-student-colin-bowman/
Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?- Part 18a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Killer Luke Mitchell Aka Ian Tyler (or Tytler): Sandra Lean Was Duped By The Mitchell’s Innocence Fraud Now She’s Duping You (Part 83)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/24/killer-luke-mitchell-aka-ian-tytler-sandra-lean-was-duped-by-the-mitchells-innocence-fraud-now-shes-duping-you-part-83/
Abuse By A Proxy Malignant Narcissist - Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean (Part 106)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-abuse-by-a-proxy-malignant-narcissist-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-part-107/
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Wasn’t Corinne Mitchell banned from the WAP forum?
If I recall correctly she stopped posting as a massive hole was opening up.
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Do you recall some of Colin Bowman’s bs ?
And do you know why he chose to delete his ‘fact and myth’ forum and drop out of campaigning for the guilty killer Luke Mitchell?
More on Colin Bowman here
‘Psychology Student’ Colin Bowman On Killer Luke Mitchell & His ‘Fact & Myth’ Forum
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/psychology-student-colin-bowman/
Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?- Part 18a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Abuse By A Proxy Malignant Narcissist - Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean (Part 106)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-abuse-by-a-proxy-malignant-narcissist-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-part-107/
Crikey that's going back some. One thing I do recall is the number of people who originally thought Luke Mitchell innocent only to change their mind when confronted with the real facts.
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If I recall correctly she stopped posting as a massive hole was opening up.
And that massive hole got even bigger
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Message from the killer 👇
Luke has also advised Sandra that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately. He has been too concerned about upsetting other people, and following other wishes,but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence. He will not stand for this anymore.
Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support which are within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.
Also Luke has made it very clear that the 'official' group does not speak for him nor has it ever. If you have any questions or would like to run anything by Luke please message myself as I am in daily contact with Corinne and every two days with Luke.
Do these people not realise the killer has no intention of being back ‘home with his mum’
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Crikey that's going back some. One thing I do recall is the number of people who originally thought Luke Mitchell innocent only to change their mind when confronted with the real facts.
Did Sandra Lean know Colin Bowman before he made that post on Gerald Keegan’s forum in January 2005?
‘Psychology Student’ Colin Bowman On Killer Luke Mitchell & His ‘Fact & Myth’ Forum
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/19/psychology-student-colin-bowman/
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You can hear Sandra Lean speak to and laugh with her then boyfriend un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SgU0w48jyi8 at around 02:27
This was around the time Sandra Lean claimed she was carrying out ‘research’ for her fraudulent PhD
You can hear baby killer Billy Middleton singing too (02:18/03:13-14) and Sandra Lean laughing and speaking (02:28)
This was on the last Tuesday (26th) in January of 2010
In March 2010 Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton were in London and attended killer Simon Hall’s pre appeal hearing
Sounds like baby killer Billy Middleton mentioned the ‘bus’ too - they were travelling around in an old Royal Mail post office van around the time
Sandra Lean’s distinctive laugh again at around 03:48
You can also hear confidence tricker Sandra Lean say the word ‘given’ at 0:55 in liar Naomi Channell’s Part 6 of actual, factual guilty killer Luke Mitchell’s and Lean’s rehearsed innocence fraud bs
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https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep-6-through-the-wall-lukes-army/id1616514570?i=1000596573744
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You can also hear confidence tricker Sandra Lean say the word ‘given’ at 0:55 in liar Naomi Channell’s Part 6 of actual, factual guilty killer Luke Mitchell’s and Lean’s rehearsed innocence fraud bs
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https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep-6-through-the-wall-lukes-army/id1616514570?i=1000596573744
And Sharon who Naomi Channell speaks of and to in the above podcast 👆🏽(at around 25:04) doesn’t appear to have a clue she’s been, and is being, groomed, conned and exploited
There will never be an ‘independent review’!
Sharon has no idea of all the facts that fraudster Sandra Lean, guilty killer Luke and his lying mother have omitted
Again Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial and Corinne Mitchell didn’t give her ‘evidence’ until around the last week of the trial
Corinne wasn’t allowed to sit through the trial until AFTER she had given her evidence so she didn’t hear most of it
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Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton stated here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWmPZqy2wKg
“The cyclist in this case (LK) states that he heard a noise not at the V but slightly further on, nearer to the Easthouses end of Roan's Dyke Path. It is suggested that it was in fact Jodi being strangled behind the V break in the wall that he heard. However this animation of relative speeds show that Jodi, leaving at around 5pm as first claimed, could not have been anywhere near that point when the cyclist past.
Further, as can be seen in this clip, for the cyclist to have avoided seeing Jodi, she could not have proceeded down Roan's Dyke path but must have instead either gone through the break in the wall at the Easthouses end, down Lady Path, or into the School grounds. Quite simply the cyclist would have seen her and the mystery man (assuming the 2 independent sightings shortly after 5 were Jodi being followed by a stocky man) otherwise.
If LK had been any later getting to the Newbattle end of the path, he would have encountered the moped duo GD & JoF. Any earlier, he would have been emerging from the path as Jodi & the mystery man were entering and could
not have avoided seeing them.
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Corinne Mitchell (12th April 2010)
that, we don't know! But we suspect there may be some sort of print on it as in lukes questioning they went on for ages asking about condoms and if Jodi ever touched the condoms.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s330.html
What did the killer Luke say in response ?
Does anyone know?
Did he put the alleged condoms on himself, presuming he genuinely used condoms?
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Corinne Mitchell (12th April 2010)
that, we don't know! But we suspect there may be some sort of print on it as in lukes questioning they went on for ages asking about condoms and if Jodi ever touched the condoms.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s330.html
What did the killer Luke say in response ?
Does anyone know?
Did he put the alleged condoms on himself, presuming he genuinely used condoms?
What was the evidence of the other witnesses who had previously had sex with him?
Did they say killer Luke Mitchell used condoms or not?
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Corinne Mitchell (12th April 2010)
that, we don't know! But we suspect there may be some sort of print on it as in lukes questioning they went on for ages asking about condoms and if Jodi ever touched the condoms.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s330.html
What did the killer Luke say in response ?
Does anyone know?
Did he put the alleged condoms on himself, presuming he genuinely used condoms?
Also
Where did killer Luke Mitchell get these alleged condoms from?
What exactly did he tell police about where his condoms came from?
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Sandra Lean
[17) he had owned at the time a "skunting" knife which had mysteriously disappeared and equally mysteriously been replaced;
This is simply untrue. One lost knife is the one handed to police by John [Name removed]. The other was handed to the defence team by Corinne Mitchell herself, having been retrieved from a camping bag.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s340.html
‘Camping bag’ ?
Where did grifter Sandra Lean pluck that one from?
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Corinne Mitchell (21st April 2010)
big wullie
"the boy from the army????"
I am sure he would be pleased!!!!!! He is 50 something.
Yes, he has certificates.......it was his job.
No, I don't have a certificate...not nessesary when it was just a hobby.
If I had found myself in a position when a child say, had gone missing and had offered to use Mia to track .......I am sure the first question from a distraught mother would not be....do you have a certificate????
And before you claim how would you be in that position.......I am a caravanner ..I have been on plenty sites where children "go missing " for a while. I , myself was in that position when my children were younger.
Emmmm in case you have never noticed
Army use German Shepherds
Police use German Shepherds.
It still hasn’t been explained why Corinne Mitchell and/or Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany their 14 year old teenage son/brother to search for [Name removed]
‘Big Wullie’ = William Beck https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-22351870
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Sandra Lean (28th Feb 2010)
Yes, wullie, you're right about Bussutil - it's not so much what's said as what is not said:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s420.html
Bussutil never explained a thing about internal blood loss
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Sandra Lean (23rd April 2010)
It has long been my belief that AB's failure to identify Luke in the dock was her way of saying she was manipulated, and she wasn't happy about it.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s420.html
What a fraud
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And Sharon who Naomi Channell speaks of and to in the above podcast 👆🏽(at around 25:04) doesn’t appear to have a clue she’s been, and is being, groomed, conned and exploited
There will never be an ‘independent review’!
Sharon has no idea of all the facts that fraudster Sandra Lean, guilty killer Luke and his lying mother have omitted
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Sandra Lean has also groomed, conned and exploited Sharon into thinking actual, factual, guilty psycho killer Simon Hall made a ‘false murder confession’
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There was a time on WAP when Corinne Mitchell was prepared to answer questions from forum members but that soon ended when the questions became unanswerable. That was another key moment in the believability of the defence case.
There was also a time when [moderated] Sandra Lean pretended she was ‘really pleased’ your site was doing well
Sandra Lean (1st May 2010
Thanks for that John.
That's really good news about the tv company - I'm really pleased your site has been so successfu. With enough of us putting the information out there, eventually, we're bound to become a force to be reckoned with!
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Sandra Lean
[17) he had owned at the time a "skunting" knife which had mysteriously disappeared and equally mysteriously been replaced;
This is simply untrue. One lost knife is the one handed to police by John [Name removed]. The other was handed to the defence team by Corinne Mitchell herself, having been retrieved from a camping bag.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s340.html
‘Camping bag’ ?
Where did grifter Sandra Lean pluck that one from?
‘One lost knife’ handed in by John F
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The police were looking for all the knives killer Luke Mitchell had been known to own - as per evidence of numerous witnesses
To date killer Luke Mitchell’s brown handled ‘stunting’ knife has yet to be found
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Sandra Lean
[17) he had owned at the time a "skunting" knife which had mysteriously disappeared and equally mysteriously been replaced;
This is simply untrue. One lost knife is the one handed to police by John [Name removed]. The other was handed to the defence team by Corinne Mitchell herself, having been retrieved from a camping bag.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s340.html
‘Camping bag’ ?
Where did grifter Sandra Lean pluck that one from?
Can anyone shed more light on this supposed ‘camping bag’ Sandra Lean referred to?
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What was the evidence of the other witnesses who had previously had sex with him?
Did they say killer Luke Mitchell used condoms or not?
Rachel Roll
Efforts were made to forensically link condoms taken from Luke's bedroom bin with the condom found recovered from the scene with no success.
How many condoms were found in his bin and what were the forensic results?
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Sandra Lean
The only professional assessment ever done in that period was the one to decide whether he was mentally fit to stand trial - that one found he was fit to stand. He had no mental impairments, no mental health issues,
Rachel Roll
I was surprised when Sandra mentioned above that the only psychological assesment LM ever had was the one to decide whether he was fit to stand trial
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Sandra Lean
[17) he had owned at the time a "skunting" knife which had mysteriously disappeared and equally mysteriously been replaced;
This is simply untrue. One lost knife is the one handed to police by John [Name removed]. The other was handed to the defence team by Corinne Mitchell herself, having been retrieved from a camping bag.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s340.html
‘Camping bag’ ?
Where did grifter Sandra Lean pluck that one from?
The black handled knife Corinne Mitchell had purchased as a replacement had been hidden. Corinne took this from its hiding place and gave it to Nigel Beaumont following a search of her house
The brown handled ‘skunking’ knife that killer Luke Mitchell kept in the leather pouch was never found
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However, it is the MSP's who are being blasted, they knew right up until yesterday the petition was going to be getting taken into the Scottish Parliament, they are at fault for not all being there to greet them, not the claimed supporters of innocence who did NOT turn up to support the event themselves! They (The group members) have been getting polls carried out for days trying to determine who would be there.
Russell Findlay who appears to have been duped by the killer of Margaret McLaughlin (and another dodgy ‘criminologist’ - David Wilson) turned up - the only MSP to do so apparently
Russell Findlay wrote an article for the Daily Record - published in February 2011 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460
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Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
Anyone know all the names of the Mitchell/Guetta family dogs yet?
And can anyone shed some light on the injunction said to be taken out by Shane Mitchell against his mother Corinne Mitchell?
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Fraudster Scott Forbes stated;
“The other rumour that made the rounds in the media was that the “evil” pair, Luke and Shane Mitchell, had hung a pet dog from a doorway in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where they lived with their mother. This was utter nonsense, but the media had created such a frenzy of false information that the public believed anything at this point, no matter how ridiculous.
Where is he claiming the above rumour was published by the media?
The story in the following differs to the above
Luke Mitchell The Untold Truth
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhCC9XhKvU
At around 13:51 it says Shane Mitchell was thrown out the family home because he attacked Luke after Luke ‘slaughtered the family dog - an elderly German shepherd’
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Fraudster Scott Forbes stated;
“The other rumour that made the rounds in the media was that the “evil” pair, Luke and Shane Mitchell, had hung a pet dog from a doorway in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where they lived with their mother. This was utter nonsense, but the media had created such a frenzy of false information that the public believed anything at this point, no matter how ridiculous.
Where is he claiming the above rumour was published by the media?
The story in the following differs to the above
At around 13:51 it says Shane Mitchell was thrown out the family home because he attacked Luke after Luke ‘slaughtered the family dog - an elderly German shepherd’
Where did the Mitchell’s live before moving to Newbattle Abbey crescent?
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Sandra Lean (28th Feb 2010)
Yes, wullie, you're right about Bussutil - it's not so much what's said as what is not said:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s420.html
Bussutil never explained a thing about internal blood loss
Why was Busuttil involved in the death of John McCafferty?
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=f70087a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Killer Luke Mitchell was and is a psychopath
Janine Jones, 19, told the court Mitchell "showed no emotion whatsoever" that night
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https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/teenager-killed-jodi-7246942.html
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Was identification officer Mark Heron’s sketched plan ever published?
“A sketched plan of the scene, drawn up by the witness, was also shown to the courtroom.
It detailed the location of various items which were found scattered in the vicinity of the body, near the Roan's Dyke path.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-330755/Murdered-Jodi-wrists-bound.html
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Was identification officer Mark Heron’s sketched plan ever published?
“A sketched plan of the scene, drawn up by the witness, was also shown to the courtroom.
It detailed the location of various items which were found scattered in the vicinity of the body, near the Roan's Dyke path.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-330755/Murdered-Jodi-wrists-bound.html
Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Direction is an issue with a number of the items photographed, Dani - they were photographed from directly above, individually, so in order to work out where they are in relation to Jodi, we've literally had to match up the foliage, branches, etc around them. I believe Jodi's glasses were found towards the Easthouses direction, maybe 10' or do from her body, fairly close to her hoodie. It's impossible to tell where the other lens is in relation to the glasses.
What a fraudster
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Fraudster Scott Forbes stated;
“The other rumour that made the rounds in the media was that the “evil” pair, Luke and Shane Mitchell, had hung a pet dog from a doorway in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where they lived with their mother. This was utter nonsense, but the media had created such a frenzy of false information that the public believed anything at this point, no matter how ridiculous.
Where is he claiming the above rumour was published by the media?
The story in the following differs to the above
At around 13:51 it says Shane Mitchell was thrown out the family home because he attacked Luke after Luke ‘slaughtered the family dog - an elderly German shepherd’
What was the name of the German shepherd dog before Mia ?
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WAP A Forum That Did The Very Thing It Was Titled As, Wrongly Accusing Multiple People (Part )
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/10/killer-luke-mitchell-wap-a-forum-that-did-the-very-thing-it-was-titled-as-wrongly-accusing-multiple-people-part-159/
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Direction is an issue with a number of the items photographed, Dani - they were photographed from directly above, individually, so in order to work out where they are in relation to Jodi, we've literally had to match up the foliage, branches, etc around them. I believe Jodi's glasses were found towards the Easthouses direction, maybe 10' or do from her body, fairly close to her hoodie. It's impossible to tell where the other lens is in relation to the glasses.
What a fraudster
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Lying by omission - again
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What about Mark Heron’s sketched plan Sandra?
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Crikey that's going back some. One thing I do recall is the number of people who originally thought Luke Mitchell innocent only to change their mind when confronted with the real facts.
James English….90% against, now comments are 90% for Luke’s innocence.
If your claim was ever true it certainly doesn’t seem to be now.
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James English….90% against, now comments are 90% for Luke’s innocence.
If your claim was ever true it certainly doesn’t seem to be now.
James English' entire involvement in the Mitchell case is biased towards him being a miscarriage of justice. That poll only goes to show how people can be influenced by social media when they haven't got a clue about the case.
I think it's time we had a Twitter review of the case.
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That poll only goes to show how people can be influenced by social media when they haven't got a clue about the case.
There’s no difference between James English and Mitchell’s/Lean’s social media propaganda as there has been with the media’s (TV, radio, film, magazines, books etc) use of propaganda to persuade peoples attitudes, beliefs and behaviours over the past 100 years or so
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Then there are people like David Wilson and Mark Williams Thomas who also promote the propaganda and innocence fraud
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James English' entire involvement in the Mitchell case is biased towards him being a miscarriage of justice. That poll only goes to show how people can be influenced by social media when they haven't got a clue about the case.
I think it's time we had a Twitter review of the case.
You say the without an ounce of irony.
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James English….90% against, now comments are 90% for Luke’s innocence.
If your claim was ever true it certainly doesn’t seem to be now.
James English, really? His podcasts are full of ex-gangsters, pornstars and Tommy Robinson. The same James English who was convicted of assaulting a woman and spitting in her face just 5 years ago interviewing a Danderhall fantasy lawyer and ex-con. I would have expected it to be higher than 90% given the borderline criminal audience it attracts.
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James English, really?
His content is just full of people blowing their own trumpet. But when you dig a little deeper (something his audience won't do) on these characters, most are just jumping on the social media grift to make some coin. Exaggerating about crimes or punch-up's that may or may not have happened years ago. There is obviously an audience that love taking that kind of stuff at face value, that are quite happy to donate their fivers to these grifters.
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And can anyone shed some light on the injunction said to be taken out by Shane Mitchell against his mother Corinne Mitchell?
Interesting. It probably explains a lot about their (non) relationship. Since her youngest was convicted.
Has Corrine ever seen her gran children?
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Sandra Lean
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation, and it was literally years before I discovered why.
If push bikes did feature “with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation” why didn’t con woman Sandra Lean mention the killers yellow framed push bike in her first discredited book No Smoke?
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
What exactly did John F and Gordon D say to the police about killer Luke Mitchell’s yellow framed push bike?
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Sandra Lean
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike.
Did killer Luke Mitchell also go to and from school on his yellow framed bike that day?
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Sandra Lean
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation
So what did all these witnesses say about killer Luke Mitchell and his push bikes and what did he tell police happened to his yellow framed push bike?
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So what did all these witnesses say about killer Luke Mitchell and his push bikes and what did he tell police happened to his yellow framed push bike?
Sandra Lean
JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Obviously killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t using his bike with the flat tyre apparently hanging up in the garage
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Sandra Lean
JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Obviously killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t using his bike with the flat tyre apparently hanging up in the garage
What did [Name removed] tell police about killer Luke Mitchell swapping his bikes?
Sandra Lean
An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another.
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So what did all these witnesses say about killer Luke Mitchell and his push bikes and what did he tell police happened to his yellow framed push bike?
Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What did killer Luke Mitchell say to police when he was asked about his bikes?
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James English, really? His podcasts are full of ex-gangsters, pornstars and Tommy Robinson. The same James English who was convicted of assaulting a woman and spitting in her face just 5 years ago interviewing a Danderhall fantasy lawyer and ex-con. I would have expected it to be higher than 90% given the borderline criminal audience it attracts.
This is the same borderline criminal audience 90% of who believed that Luke was guilty when James English interviewed Dr Lean.
So when did the stupidity kick in, when they believed he was guilty or innocent ?
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Sandra Lean
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone… that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike.
If killer Luke Mitchell left Newbattle Abbey crescent on his bike it would have taken him less time to have met up with [Name removed] than if he’d have walked to meet her
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Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton stated here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XWmPZqy2wKg
“The cyclist in this case (LK) states that he heard a noise not at the V but slightly further on, nearer to the Easthouses end of Roan's Dyke Path. It is suggested that it was in fact Jodi being strangled behind the V break in the wall that he heard. However this animation of relative speeds show that Jodi, leaving at around 5pm as first claimed, could not have been anywhere near that point when the cyclist past.
Further, as can be seen in this clip, for the cyclist to have avoided seeing Jodi, she could not have proceeded down Roan's Dyke path but must have instead either gone through the break in the wall at the Easthouses end, down Lady Path, or into the School grounds. Quite simply the cyclist would have seen her and the mystery man (assuming the 2 independent sightings shortly after 5 were Jodi being followed by a stocky man) otherwise.
If LK had been any later getting to the Newbattle end of the path, he would have encountered the moped duo GD & JoF. Any earlier, he would have been emerging from the path as Jodi & the mystery man were entering and could
not have avoided seeing them.
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Grifter Sandra Lean claimed Leonard Kelly went to the police ‘immediately’
Did she mean he went to the police on the 1st of July 2003 to tell them what he’d heard when cycling up the path?
Sandra Lean
He came in from the Newbattle end at, he reckoned, between 5 and 10 past 5
His account was that he heard a noise behind the wall and stopped to listen.
Re 👆🏽Leonard Kelly
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Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What did killer Luke Mitchell say to police when he was asked about his bikes?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths
What exactly did Gordon D say to the police about this bike?
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Sandra Lean
So essentially, taking all of the other witness statements into account
Toxic abuser Sandra Lean hasn’t told the people she’s choosing to dupe about the contents of all the other witness statements for them to be able to also take them into account
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Sandra Lean
There are a number of ways the killer could have escaped without coming out onto either of the paths, but this was never even a police consideration - in order to shoe-horn everything into their chosen theory, the initial claims that the killer would be heavily bloodstained, and appeals for anyone who'd witnessed someone disposing of their usual clothing, changing appearance, etc were dropped by trial
Suspect the police already knew killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t ‘heavily bloodstained’ after he’d committed his murder but by appealing “for anyone who’d witnessed someone disposing of their usual clothing, changing appearance, etc” the police could demonstrate they’d carried out a thorough investigation
Killers (and their enablers) are hardly likely to come forward and tell the police they’ve disposed of their clothing
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Sandra Lean
There are a number of ways the killer could have escaped without coming out onto either of the paths, but this was never even a police consideration - in order to shoe-horn everything into their chosen theory the initial claims that the killer would be heavily bloodstained, and appeals for anyone who'd witnessed someone disposing of their usual clothing, changing appearance, etc were dropped by trial
In reality - it’s Sandra Lean who has shoe-horned everything into her ‘chosen theory’/innocence fraud narrative
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Sandra Lean
There are a number of ways the killer could have escaped without coming out onto either of the paths, but this was never even a police consideration - in order to shoe-horn everything into their chosen theory, the initial claims that the killer would be heavily bloodstained, and appeals for anyone who'd witnessed someone disposing of their usual clothing, changing appearance, etc were dropped by trial
Clearly the police considered every which way
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Clearly the police considered every which way
I don't think to this day that the wood has been searched properly which lies between Roan's Dyke footpath and Mitchell's former home.
The only route home he could have taken to avoid being seen on the public road except for when he had to cross it and was seen by two ladies in a car.
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I don't think to this day that the wood has been searched properly which lies between Roan's Dyke footpath and Mitchell's former home.
The only route home he could have taken to avoid being seen on the public road except for when he had to cross it and was seen by two ladies in a car.
The witnesses, one of whom was exposed as a liar on the stand? Those ‘ladies’?
What has always puzzled me is why not one other witness has come forward who saw Luke where Fleming and Walsh did. It was a busy road on a busy weekday yet only two witnesses, in the same car, saw him. Is that really credible? Contrast this with the 6 people who saw Luke at the very location he claimed he was standing at.
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What was the name of the German shepherd dog before Mia ?
”In an attempt to gain further sympathy from followers, a photo of Mitchell as a child was posted on an online support group with promises more would be released. It shows him eating a carrot with a pony.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567
And why didn’t Lisa C Reynolds Peden/Corinne Mitchell publish photographs of the German shepherd dog they had before Mia - when they were posting photos of the horses they rode etc
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I don't think to this day that the wood has been searched properly which lies between Roan's Dyke footpath and Mitchell's former home.
What makes you think killer Luke Mitchell hid the knife/knifes he used in the woods?
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What time was Shane Mitchell caught on CCTV at the petrol station on 30th June 2003?
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Sandra Lean
Well, I'm pretty sure the last person you'd want working in your computer repair shop, or repairing your car, would be someone who was "very disturbed", but maybe that's just me????
What about un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton Sandra?
What work did Billy Middleton do on your computer and car/former Royal Mail van/bus?
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According to a 2009 letter con artist Sandra Lean sent to killer Simon Hall she stated;
“I have a big exam on May 27th - the decider on whether I get to stay on the PhD course or not..”
What alleged exam was this - does anyone know?
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Sandra Lean
Well, I'm pretty sure the last person you'd want working in your computer repair shop, or repairing your car, would be someone who was "very disturbed", but maybe that's just me????
What about un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton Sandra?
What work did Billy Middleton do on your computer and car/former Royal Mail van/bus?
And what does your daughter say about this Sandra Lean ?
The same daughter you claimed kicked un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton out of your house after he apparently got up in your face?
The same Billy Middleton you claimed you and Ellie later found in a street in Edinburgh with his face ‘covered in blood’
The very same Billy Middleton you later went into partnership with WAP https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=442.msg9279#msg9279
Or maybe we’ll hear from Ellie on this - as she used to post on this forum, or the previous MOJ forum
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And what does your daughter say about this Sandra Lean ?
The same daughter you claimed kicked un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton out of your house after he apparently got up in your face?
The same Billy Middleton you claimed you and Ellie later found in a street in Edinburgh with his face ‘covered in blood’
The very same Billy Middleton you later went into partnership with WAP https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=442.msg9279#msg9279
Or maybe we’ll hear from Ellie on this - as she used to post on this forum, or the previous MOJ forum
And what forum were you alleging JuJ posted on back then Sandra?
Sandra Lean
Sometime later (much later), JuJ tried to claim on a forum that Jodi had borrowed a blue hoodie from Luke, and may have been wearing it on the evening of June 30th
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This is the same borderline criminal audience 90% of who believed that Luke was guilty when James English interviewed Dr Lean.
So when did the stupidity kick in, when they believed he was guilty or innocent ?
Interesting question as we don't know if this is a MORI or YouGov poll and only have JE's word on it. One explanation could be from a Marxist class perspective that the borderline criminals can relate more to ex-con and man of the streets Forbes than the leading criminologist Lean, who is more structured in her approach, although equally deceptive.
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Interesting question as we don't know if this is a MORI or YouGov poll and only have JE's word on it. One explanation could be from a Marxist class perspective that the borderline criminals can relate more to ex-con and man of the streets Forbes than the leading criminologist Lean, who is more structured in her approach, although equally deceptive.
And John Scott KC where would you tag him? Or Professor Allan Jamieson?
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And John Scott KC where would you tag him? Or Professor Allan Jamieson?
Scott seems ok but has he actually said he supports LM or just that the investigation was flawed? Jamieson was suspended as a Police forensic scientist and has a conviction for harrassing a female motorist and impersonating a police officer so not the best character reference. My point was Forbes is using podcasts to appeal to people because of his background so the % will be increasing, however perhaps YouTube or FB is not the best gauge of public opinion.
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Scott seems ok but has he actually said he supports LM or just that the investigation was flawed? Jamieson was suspended as a Police forensic scientist and has a conviction for harrassing a female motorist and impersonating a police officer so not the best character reference. My point was Forbes is using podcasts to appeal to people because of his background so the % will be increasing, however perhaps YouTube or FB is not the best gauge of public opinion.
If the investigation was flawed then Luke’s conviction is unsafe….QED. If the investigation missed evidence due to those flaws then Luke’s conviction is unsafe. Scott was quite clear.
As to Jamieson, do you mean this story from nearly 30 years ago ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12049924.woman-terrified-by-drivers-action-police-suspend-forensic-scientist/
Jamieson was sacked but later reinstated as the head of the Lothian and Borders Police forensic science department. He resigned his position in 2002.
Who do you think the ‘public’ are? Surely those who use Facebook and YouTube?
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If the investigation was flawed then Luke’s conviction is unsafe….QED. If the investigation missed evidence due to those flaws then Luke’s conviction is unsafe. Scott was quite clear.
As to Jamieson, do you mean this story from nearly 30 years ago ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12049924.woman-terrified-by-drivers-action-police-suspend-forensic-scientist/
Jamieson was sacked but later reinstated as the head of the Lothian and Borders Police forensic science department. He resigned his position in 2002.
Who do you think the ‘public’ are? Surely those who use Facebook and YouTube?
Allan Jamieson is also involved with and promotes innocence fraud
The Innocence Fraud Of Sadistic Killer Kevin Nunn - Part 17e
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17e%ef%b8%8f/
Allan Jamieson also appeared in the last ever BBC rough justice TV show promoting the innocence fraud of killer Simon Hall
Innocence Fraud Killers Sion Jenkins & Michael O’Brien - Part 18d
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f-2/
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Allan Jamieson is also involved with and promotes innocence fraud
The Innocence Fraud Of Sadistic Killer Kevin Nunn - Part 17e
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/05/quite-a-hall-tale-part-17e%ef%b8%8f/
Allan Jamieson also appeared in the last ever BBC rough justice TV show promoting the innocence fraud of killer Simon Hall
Your husband?
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Your husband?
No
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If the investigation was flawed then Luke’s conviction is unsafe….QED. If the investigation missed evidence due to those flaws then Luke’s conviction is unsafe. Scott was quite clear.
As to Jamieson, do you mean this story from nearly 30 years ago ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12049924.woman-terrified-by-drivers-action-police-suspend-forensic-scientist/
Jamieson was sacked but later reinstated as the head of the Lothian and Borders Police forensic science department. He resigned his position in 2002.
Who do you think the ‘public’ are? Surely those who use Facebook and YouTube?
If there were flaws in the conviction, is that not what appeals are for? So far all have been refused. Does Jamieson's crime make it ok however long ago it was? Why are there so many ex-criminals, disgraced cops (Chan 5) armed robbers, unconvicted child killers and predators who attend LM protests involved in this case? Does SL have some magical charm that attracts them like moths to a flame.
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No
Yes.
You should have divorced him as soon as you found out he was a killer. Now you’ll forever be his widow.
Why didn’t you divorce him?
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If there were flaws in the conviction, is that not what appeals are for? So far all have been refused. Does Jamieson's crime make it ok however long ago it was? Why are there so many ex-criminals, disgraced cops (Chan 5) armed robbers, unconvicted child killers and predators who attend LM protests involved in this case? Does SL have some magical charm that attracts them like moths to a flame.
All appeals were refused…indeed…as were almost every individuals who have ever suffered a miscarriage of justice. Right up until their convictions were quashed.
Lothian and Borders police seemed to think it was no big deal, even before the conviction was spent, or why would they have reinstated him?
Oops…and you were doing so well. You hadn’t mentioned Dr Lean for at least two posts !
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Oops…and you were doing so well. You hadn’t mentioned Dr Lean for at least two posts !
I know. If it wasn't for the esteemed Dr and leading criminilogist we could all be sitting back watching Ant and Dec or Simon Cowell's latest instead of trying to disprove things that are beyond our control.
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I know. If it wasn't for the esteemed Dr and leading criminilogist we could all be sitting back watching Ant and Dec or Simon Cowell's latest instead of trying to disprove things that are beyond our control.
Please don’t let Dr Lean distract you from your usual Saturday night activity.
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You should have divorced him as soon as you found out he was a killer.
According to charlatan Sandra Lean sadistic murderer Simon Hall wasn’t/isn’t a killer
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According to charlatan Sandra Lean sadistic murderer Simon Hall wasn’t/isn’t a killer
Has SL ever acknowledged any of her errors regarding MOJ confessions or inaccuracies? Or is it all part of the eternal Truthseeker shtick/shite?
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Has SL ever acknowledged any of her errors regarding MOJ confessions or inaccuracies? Or is it all part of the eternal Truthseeker shtick/shite?
Con artist Sandra Lean continues to promote her and killer Simon Hall’s innocence fraud
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Other than Jodi being marked present on the morning register and friends apparently seeing her at lunch time, there's not much else after that, other than her mum and AO's statements (which were all over the place). There's the two witness sightings of her being followed by her brother - odd that he mentioned in one statement that Jodi ate dinner with everyone. Obviously that wasn't correct.
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Ana Azaria is so brainwashed by grifter Sandra Lean and her innocence fraud and appears to view the police as moronic imbeciles who wouldn’t have bothered to establish the whereabouts of [Name removed] that day
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Other than Jodi being marked present on the morning register and friends apparently seeing her at lunch time, there's not much else after that, other than her mum and AO's statements (which were all over the place). There's the two witness sightings of her being followed by her brother - odd that he mentioned in one statement that Jodi ate dinner with everyone. Obviously that wasn't correct.
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Other than Jodi being marked present on the morning register and friends apparently seeing her at lunch time, there's not much else after that, other than her mum and AO's statements (which were all over the place). There's the two witness sightings of her being followed by her brother - odd that he mentioned in one statement that Jodi ate dinner with everyone. Obviously that wasn't correct.
Both of which may well stem from abuser Sandra Lean and her innocence fraud
Have these statements been published ?
If these ‘witnesses’ are so sure of what they saw and are part of the campaign - why don’t they publish their statements in full ?
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Juj 'enticed' [Name removed] with cans of beer, to stay at his grans on Sat June 28th - but she didn't give a reason for this (whether it was out of concern for Jodi etc.). On the Monday morning (June 30th, the day of the murder), [Name removed] walked back to his mum's house with JoF and a nine bar of cannabis. They later cancelled his appointment with the mental health nurse. Juj explained that [Name removed] had a series throughs the weekend immediately before Jodi's murder. He had previously not been able to leave the house without his mum driving him - Juj said she had to drive him everywhere - due to his paranoia. During the weekend prior to June 30th, he had walked back from his grans by himself, and then with JoF on the morning of Monday 30th. There was no evidence of anything happening between Jodi and her brother during the stay at the grans, as in nothing to confirm their interactions etc. - as far as I am aware.
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“Brainwashing techniques have been documented as far back as the Egyptian Book of the Dead and used by abusive spouses and parents, self-proclaimed psychics, cult leaders, secret societies, revolutionaries, and dictators to bring others under their thumbs and manipulate them seemingly willingly.[2] These techniques don’t involve fantastic weapons or exotic powers, but they do involve an understanding of the human psyche and a desire to exploit it.
https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing
Brainwashing is also used by guilty killers and their enablers - ‘enablers’ which include Scottish ‘criminologists’ like Sandra Lean and David Wilson
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Gary Peden
Just listed to Naomi's podcast and oh boy are they turning the screw's down on LM this is vastly more than incompetence now, it's an all out cover-up destruction of evidence should be a criminal matter, for whomever initiated the process the paper trail will exist as these things need approval for distruction, at this stage I'm flabbergasted that this has stayed out of the political arena,,, WHY????? stay strong LM✊
Is Gary Peden related to Lisa C Reynolds Peden?
Who is guilty killer Luke Mitchell’s prison lawyer - does he have one?
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Ana Azaria
The locus is the term used to refer to the crime scene/the place that a crime has been committed.
That fraudster John Sallens of Intinsol - formally Integritas Investigative Solutions - refers to the ‘locus’ in liar Naomi Channell’s nonsense podcast through the wall the case against Luke Mitchell
John Sallen’s doesn’t say he saw the actual crime scene photographs of [Name removed] - he states he saw the ‘locus’
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“A sketched plan of the scene, drawn up by the witness, was also shown to the courtroom.
It detailed the location of various items which were found scattered in the vicinity of the body, near the Roan's Dyke path.
Among the items were a pair of underpants, a bra, a pair of spectacles and a spectacle lens, a £1 coin and a pair of trainers, the jury of eight women and seven men heard.
Mr Heron also identified a jacket with a "Deftones" label among the items.
The court was shown a photograph of a nearby blood-stained wall, from which, the witness said, two blood samples were taken. [/i]
And again no mention of the sketched plan by Mark Heron or of internal blood loss which Busuttil also omitted to mention in the BBC TV show ‘the devils own’
Sandra Lean (28th Feb 2010)
Yes, wullie, you're right about Bussutil - it's not so much what's said as what is not said:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s420.html
Bussutil never explained a thing about internal blood loss
“Earlier, identification officer Mark Heron,40,said he arrived at the scene only hours after Jodi's body was found.
Scattered around her were her clothes. Her spectacles were also on the ground and one of the lenses had come out.
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Sandra Lean
Con, from http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.or ... cumentary/
“ You will notice a complete absence of reference to, or input by, Lukes legal team at the time. Although the first contact with the Frontline team came directly from Lukes solicitors, they later decided that the documentary was not a good idea.
It was the Frontline team who got Tim Valentine, John Scott, Roy Ramm and all of the others to give their expert opinions, based on the facts of the case. All of this expert comment was available to the defence team whilst they were preparing the appeal there are 9 months between the airing of the documentary in May 2007 and the beginning of the appeal on February 5th 2008.
Not one of these witnesses, nor indeed any of the findings from the documentary, were used in the appeal, which then failed on May 16th 2008."
Neither Tim Valentine, John Scott or Roy Ramm attended each and every day of killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial for his murder therefore none of them were aware of all the facts of the case - neither were any of them involved in the police investigation
So why would either of them choose to publicly comment on a case they don’t have all the facts on
This was about them - Tim Valentine, John Scott or Roy Ramm - and innocence fraud
Shocking, but not surprising, John Scott is now a judge https://www.judiciary.scot/home/media-information/media-hub-news/2022/05/04/new-judges-appointed
“A graduate of Glasgow University, John Scott qualified as a solicitor in 1987. He obtained rights of audience (criminal) in 2001 and was appointed as a Queen’s Counsel in 2011, specialising in criminal law and, latterly, public inquiries. He chaired the Scottish Human Rights Centre, the Howard League for Penal Reform and Justice Scotland. From 2016, he was President of the Society of Solicitor Advocates. He chaired several independent reviews – including stop and search and biometrics in policing. He has chaired the Scottish Mental Health Law Review since May 2019 and will complete that work with a final report to Scottish Ministers in September 2022.
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Juj 'enticed' [Name removed] with cans of beer, to stay at his grans on Sat June 28th - but she didn't give a reason for this (whether it was out of concern for Jodi etc.). On the Monday morning (June 30th, the day of the murder), [Name removed] walked back to his mum's house with JoF and a nine bar of cannabis. They later cancelled his appointment with the mental health nurse. Juj explained that [Name removed] had a series throughs the weekend immediately before Jodi's murder. He had previously not been able to leave the house without his mum driving him - Juj said she had to drive him everywhere - due to his paranoia. During the weekend prior to June 30th, he had walked back from his grans by himself, and then with JoF on the morning of Monday 30th. There was no evidence of anything happening between Jodi and her brother during the stay at the grans, as in nothing to confirm their interactions etc. - as far as I am aware.
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“Brainwashing techniques have been documented as far back as the Egyptian Book of the Dead and used by abusive spouses and parents, self-proclaimed psychics, cult leaders, secret societies, revolutionaries, and dictators to bring others under their thumbs and manipulate them seemingly willingly.[2] These techniques don’t involve fantastic weapons or exotic powers, but they do involve an understanding of the human psyche and a desire to exploit it.
https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing
Brainwashing is also used by guilty killers and their enablers - ‘enablers’ which include Scottish ‘criminologists’ like Sandra Lean and David Wilson
David Wilson was apparently going to be publishing an article on innocence fraud following the Channell 5 TV show MIAST
But suspect it proved too difficult for him given he too is up to his eyeballs in it
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Glenda Cathersides
4) The evening prior to [Name removed]’s dad suiciding, 9 year old [Name removed] “walked into an ’adult party’ in the living room of her house. She ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest. The following morning [Name removed] found his dad in the garden. His ([Name removed]) uncle followed his father and also committed suicide a year and a day after [Name removed] was murdered”.
What did [Name removed] witness at the ‘adult party’???
Steph Donald
Can anyone confirm Point 4? I heard Jodi was on holiday when her dad died? Where does the adult party and vodka story come from - it seems a little vague but I don't have SF's book. Thanks
Can anyone confirm the above? Is this true?
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Glenda Cathersides
4) The evening prior to [Name removed]’s dad suiciding, 9 year old [Name removed] “walked into an ’adult party’ in the living room of her house. She ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest. The following morning [Name removed] found his dad in the garden. His ([Name removed]) uncle followed his father and also committed suicide a year and a day after [Name removed] was murdered”.
What did [Name removed] witness at the ‘adult party’???
Steph Donald
Can anyone confirm Point 4? I heard Jodi was on holiday when her dad died? Where does the adult party and vodka story come from - it seems a little vague but I don't have SF's book. Thanks
Can anyone confirm the above? Is this true?
Parky addressed this
No it’s not true
There’s a blog headed Charlatan Sandra Lean Has Zero Credibility(Part 7)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-7/
In the above blog there’s a quote by con woman Sandra Lean
“But for some people, what they don't know, they'll just make up”
Grifter Sandra Lean does the exact same thing. Sandra makes things up and lies to anyone who will listen to her, especially those she’s conned and is exploiting.
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Glenda Cathersides
4) The evening prior to [Name removed]’s dad suiciding, 9 year old [Name removed] “walked into an ’adult party’ in the living room of her house. She ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest. The following morning [Name removed] found his dad in the garden. His ([Name removed]) uncle followed his father and also committed suicide a year and a day after [Name removed] was murdered”.
What did [Name removed] witness at the ‘adult party’???
Steph Donald
Can anyone confirm Point 4? I heard Jodi was on holiday when her dad died? Where does the adult party and vodka story come from - it seems a little vague but I don't have SF's book. Thanks
Can anyone confirm the above? Is this true?
“Jodi at the age of 9 years went on holiday with her gran Alice Walker, her aunt, uncles and cousins to Bulgaria.
On her return she found out the devastating news her father was dead. He had taken his life whilst Jodi was away from home.
The family for several years had been staying with Alice Walker at her house. Whilst three members of the family slept Judith Jones, [Name removed] (14) and Janine Jones (13). Jodi’s mother made that horrific discovery the following morning.
Above excerpts taken from
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Killer Luke Mitchell, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & How Easily They Lie To Cause Harm To Other Human Life (Part 138)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/liars-abusers-killer-luke-mitchell-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-how-easily-they-lie-to-cause-harm-to-other-human-life-part-138/
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Steph Donald
Can anyone confirm Point 4? I heard Jodi was on holiday when her dad died? Where does the adult party and vodka story come from - it seems a little vague but I don't have SF's book. Thanks
Notice how toxic abuser Sandra Lean doesn’t comment on the slander and lies regarding Jodi
Sandra Lean
Ana Azaria Glenda Cathersides All I can add to Ana's response is that the "usual excuse" was that the family was away for the day and wouldn't be back in time for the appointment at 5pm.
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According to charlatan Sandra Lean sadistic murderer Simon Hall wasn’t/isn’t a killer
But you believe he was and you were married to him. Maybe you didn’t believe it either as you did stay married to him after he confessed? Why did you?
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But you believe he was and you were married to him. Maybe you didn’t believe it either as you did stay married to him after he confessed? Why did you?
Toxic abuser Sandra Lean is allegedly the (mis) ‘leading criminologist’ on these cases - what does she say?
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Toxic abuser Sandra Lean is allegedly the mis ‘leading criminologist’ on these cases - what does she say?
I’m asking you as it’s the question is about you and your husband.
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Glenda Cathersides
4) The evening prior to [Name removed]’s dad suiciding, 9 year old [Name removed] “walked into an ’adult party’ in the living room of her house. She ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest. The following morning [Name removed] found his dad in the garden. His ([Name removed]) uncle followed his father and also committed suicide a year and a day after [Name removed] was murdered”.
What did [Name removed] witness at the ‘adult party’???
Steph Donald
Can anyone confirm Point 4? I heard Jodi was on holiday when her dad died? Where does the adult party and vodka story come from - it seems a little vague but I don't have SF's book. Thanks
Can anyone confirm the above? Is this true?
Sandra Lean made reference to Corinne Mitchell being an alcoholic several times - does this story stem from the Mitchell family - or maybe Sandra Lean’s - she’s also a frequent drinker
Was it killer Luke Mitchell who at age 9 “walked into an ’adult party’ in his living room of his house and ‘ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest’?
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“Jodi at the age of 9 years went on holiday with her gran Alice Walker, her aunt, uncles and cousins to Bulgaria.
On her return she found out the devastating news her father was dead. He had taken his life whilst Jodi was away from home.
The family for several years had been staying with Alice Walker at her house. Whilst three members of the family slept Judith Jones, [Name removed] (14) and Janine Jones (13). Jodi’s mother made that horrific discovery the following morning.
Above excerpts taken from
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Killer Luke Mitchell, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & How Easily They Lie To Cause Harm To Other Human Life (Part 138)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/liars-abusers-killer-luke-mitchell-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-how-easily-they-lie-to-cause-harm-to-other-human-life-part-138/
I didn't think it was true, but do Lean & Forbes now have different accounts of what happened that night? Lunatics the pair of them.
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Why did you?
Why didn’t you ask this question around a decade ago?
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I didn't think it was true, but do Lean & Forbes now have different accounts of what happened that night? Lunatics the pair of them.
I don’t know if people are really aware of the types of “lunatics” they really are
Charlatan Sandra Lean’s lies are on par with fraudster Forbes
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I didn't think it was true, but do Lean & Forbes now have different accounts of what happened that night? Lunatics the pair of them.
They will probably have endless non sensical accounts of what happened but they’ll all be fantastical
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Sandra Lean made reference to Corinne Mitchell being an alcoholic several times - does this story stem from the Mitchell family - or maybe Sandra Lean’s - she’s also a frequent drinker
Was it killer Luke Mitchell who at age 9 “walked into an ’adult party’ in his living room of his house and ‘ran out of the room grabbing a bottle of vodka in protest’?
Was the Mitchell home known as "Bedlam" with all welcome for drugs and alcohol, particularly certain neighbours. Is it possible St. Luke got his interest in Satanism from CM? Forbes is a habitual drug user, no idea about the leading criminilogist but something has fried her brain.
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Why didn’t you ask this question around a decade ago?
I didn’t post on this board a decade ago. Would your answer have been different? Why won’t you answer this very simple question?
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Was the Mitchell home known as "Bedlam" with all welcome for drugs and alcohol, particularly certain neighbours. Is it possible St. Luke got his interest in Satanism from CM? Forbes is a habitual drug user, no idea about the leading criminilogist but something has fried her brain.
Wasn’t almost everyone in the Jones household, even those in their early teens, smoking dope? Didn’t Judith, after drinking, try to attack Corrine in her business? Wasn’t Judith caught driving while under the effects of alcohol? Did Judith start drinking early in the day? How many in the Jones household actually worked….etc, etc?
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I didn’t post on this board a decade ago.
You did https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1127.msg31121#msg31121
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Would your answer have been different?
No
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Why won’t you answer this very simple question?
Because it comes around a decade too late
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You did https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1127.msg31121#msg31121
On this board, not on this forum.
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Was the Mitchell home known as "Bedlam" with all welcome for drugs and alcohol, particularly certain neighbours.
Which neighbours are you referring to?
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Is it possible St. Luke got his interest in Satanism from CM?
Have long suspected this - or possibly Ruby Guetta
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Forbes is a habitual drug user
Without a doubt - which could possibly explain his paranoia and aggression
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no idea about the leading criminilogist but something has fried her brain.
Defo a drinker
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Wasn’t almost everyone in the Jones household, even those in their early teens, smoking dope? Didn’t Judith, after drinking, try to attack Corrine in her business? Wasn’t Judith caught driving while under the effects of alcohol? Did Judith start drinking early in the day? How many in the Jones household actually worked….etc, etc?
So you're shaming the family for not working? WTF has that got to do with their daughter being murdered by her psycho boyfriend? Put down your Daily Mail and behave as Mr Parky would say! If your daughter had been murdered, how would you react? I think Corinne lying for her son got off lightly. Again, what has JuJ drinking got to do with her daughter being murdered being it was coming up to the 5 year anniversary of her husband's death.
Do you have any idea about how trauma affects people or do you want to go on shaming a murder victims family? By your logic, why was CM too drunk to drive on the night? One of the reasons all this happened was because LM was out of control and CM let him do as he wished from approx age 12.
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How many in the Jones household actually worked….etc, etc?
How much debt did Corinne Mitchell have when she sold her house in 2014 and why did she claim she was ‘downsizing’ and moving into a ‘cottage’ with her ‘new German shepherd pup’ when she instead apparently moved into her office?
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-record/20130601/281754151864069
“She added that she was selling the home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, to “downsize”.
She said: “If I’d had any trouble around here, I would have gone nine years ago.
“The house was too big for me on my own. I’m simply downsizing. I’d like to find a cottage for me and my German shepherd pup, where I can potter in the garden.”
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Because it comes around a decade too late
The question appears to make you very uncomfortable therefore before judging others perhaps you should question your own judgement? There’s not many people I know who after finding out that their husband was a killer and had lied to them for years wouldn’t immediately file for divorce. Why didn’t you?
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Which neighbours are you referring to?
Well I'm not going to name them but in the general NBA Crescent area.
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How much debt did Corinne Mitchell have when she sold her house in 2014 and why did she claim she was ‘downsizing’ and moving into a ‘cottage’ with her ‘new German shepherd pup’ when she instead apparently moved into her office?
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-record/20130601/281754151864069
“She added that she was selling the home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, to “downsize”.
She said: “If I’d had any trouble around here, I would have gone nine years ago.
“The house was too big for me on my own. I’m simply downsizing. I’d like to find a cottage for me and my German shepherd pup, where I can potter in the garden.”
Also what year did the Mitchell’s first move into Newbattle abbey crescent
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Well I'm not going to name them but in the general NBA Crescent area.
Were there any witnesses who gave evidence about Corinne Mitchell and her possible interest in satanism?
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So you're shaming the family for not working? WTF has that got to do with their daughter being murdered by her psycho boyfriend? Put down your Daily Mail and behave as Mr Parky would say! If your daughter had been murdered, how would you react? I think Corinne lying for her son got off lightly. Again, what has JuJ drinking got to do with her daughter being murdered being it was coming up to the 5 year anniversary of her husband's death.
Do you have any idea about how trauma affects people or do you want to go on shaming a murder victims family? By your logic, why was CM too drunk to drive on the night? One of the reasons all this happened was because LM was out of control and CM let him do as he wished from approx age 12.
I’m not shaming anyone, simply stating a fact. Why, do you think it’s shameful to be fit and healthy and not work?
That’s the problem with ‘othering’ individuals as you do constantly with the Mitchell family….it makes you forget that they’re human and not just entities that you can project any old rubbish on to. You lose your humanity.
If Luke was not the killer then what happened in the Jones household and the dynamics of the family may have everything to do with Jodi’s death. Wasn’t there talk that Jodi was going to live with her granny?
As to Corrine being too drunk on the night a couple of glasses of wine after a hard days work would have taken her over the drink driving limit so she would actually have been observing the law by not driving.
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Well I'm not going to name them but in the general NBA Crescent area.
It’s all just gossip, isn’t it? You have no names.
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why was CM too drunk to drive on the night? One of the reasons all this happened was because LM was out of control and CM let him do as he wished from approx age 12.
Wasn’t there an incident towards a young girl when killer Luke Mitchell was 11 years old?
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why was CM too drunk to drive on the night? One of the reasons all this happened was because LM was out of control and CM let him do as he wished from approx age 12.
How old was killer Luke Mitchell when he attacked his uncle Des Guetta with a baseball bat?
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Wasn’t there an incident towards a young girl when killer Luke Mitchell was 11 years old?
The one that wasn’t reported to the police anytime before the trial but was sold to the tabloids…that one?
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why was CM too drunk to drive on the night? One of the reasons all this happened was because LM was out of control and CM let him do as he wished from approx age 12.
And what was the name of the German shepherd dog the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had before Mia?
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How old was killer Luke Mitchell when he attacked his uncle Des Guetta with a baseball bat?
This Uncle Des
“Meanwhile, Luke's uncle last night leapt to the defence of Corinne.
Corinne's brother by adoption Des Guetta, 50, insisted: 'My sister is a good woman.'
Guetta lives two miles from Corinne with the pair's adoptive mother Ruby Guetta.
He refused to comment on claims Luke attacked him with a baseball bat shortly before being charged with murder.
Guetta said: 'She has always done her best by the laddie.
'It's unfair what has happened to both of them. I hope Luke appeals and I hope the appeal finds in his favour.'
Guetta, who is a regular fixture in Dalkeith's Royal British Legion club, added: 'It has been a terrible time for the whole family, including my 90-year-old mother.
'Corinne believes Luke is innocent and so do I. This town has got Luke hung drawn and quartered already.
'He was a nice laddie when he was younger and nothing like what they say he is. The truth will come out and one day he will walk out of court free.”
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The one that wasn’t reported to the police anytime before the trial but was sold to the tabloids…that one?
No
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I’m not shaming anyone, simply stating a fact. Why, do you think it’s shameful to be fit and healthy and not work?
That’s the problem with ‘othering’ individuals as you do constantly with the Mitchell family….it makes you forget that they’re human and not just entities that you can project any old rubbish on to. You lose your humanity.
If Luke was not the killer then what happened in the Jones household and the dynamics of the family may have everything to do with Jodi’s death. Wasn’t there talk that Jodi was going to live with her granny?
As to Corrine being too drunk on the night a couple of glasses of wine after a hard days work would have taken her over the drink driving limit so she would actually have been observing the law by not driving.
As I said, do you have any idea the effects of complex trauma/PTSD after losing your husband/father to suicide whether you "look" fit and healthy. Well done Corrine for not drink driving after sitting in a caravan sales office all day yet still alibing her 14 year old son for murdering his girlfriend because she couldn't control him and bought him knives.
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This Uncle Des
How old was killer Luke Mitchell when he attacked Des Guetta with a baseball bat?
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Well done Corrine for not drink driving after sitting in a caravan sales office all day
Is there any evidence Corinne Mitchell didn’t drink during the day then drive under the influence?
Charlatan Sandra Lean gave the impression she did - again Sandra made the claim to me (more than once) that Corinne was an alcoholic
Were Corinne’s two strokes in 2010 linked to alcoholism?
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This Uncle Des
He refused to comment on claims Luke attacked him with a baseball bat shortly before being charged with murder.
'He was a nice laddie when he was younger
So he refused to comment if he was attacked and LM was a nice laddie when he was younger.
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As I said, do you have any idea the effects of complex trauma/PTSD after losing your husband/father to suicide whether you "look" fit and healthy. Well done Corrine for not drink driving after sitting in a caravan sales office all day yet still alibing her 14 year old son for murdering his girlfriend because she couldn't control him and bought him knives.
Trauma is experienced differently by different individuals so no, I don’t know how it affected Judith and neither do you. You assume you do based on how you’d feel. Perhaps her heavy drinking was connected to the incident and while absolutely understandable a heavy drinker in the family does not make for a happy household.
Imagine Corrine had driven after a couple of glasses of wine. You’d have found fault with that too. Instead of saying ‘is she guilty’ then look for evidence of that guilt you appear to assume guilt and use gossip and innuendo to shore up that belief. Confirmation bias it’s called.
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So he refused to comment if he was attacked and LM was a nice laddie when he was younger.
Selectively quoting does not a point make.
His uncle believes that Luke is innocent and hope he walks free. He seems not to harbour any doubts about his sister’s or nephew’s honesty.
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Was the Mitchell home known as "Bedlam" with all welcome for drugs and alcohol, particularly certain neighbours.
Which neighbours are you referring to?
Well I'm not going to name them but in the general NBA Crescent area.
It’s all just gossip, isn’t it? You have no names.
What was the evidence of the witnesses?
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His uncle
Had Des Guetta spent time in prison?
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What was the evidence of the witnesses?
What witnesses?
You are so far down the rabbit hole you’ll believe any old nonsense.
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What witnesses?
The police would have spoken to the friends and neighbours of the Mitchell’s - what did they say about “the Mitchell home known as "Bedlam" with all welcome for drugs and alcohol”?
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Was ‘star witness’ John F still in contact with killer Luke Mitchell up until his arrest in April 2004?
Re John F 👇
“[Name removed] said he had seen him with 'different knives' on 'many occasions'.
He was shown a knife and pictures of knives, including two silver ones and a lock knife with a brown handle.
[Name removed] identified the ones in photographs as being similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.
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Was ‘star witness’ John F still in contact with killer Luke Mitchell up until his arrest in April 2004?
On what date did John F last supply killer Luke Mitchell with weed?
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Was ‘star witness’ John F still in contact with killer Luke Mitchell up until his arrest in April 2004?
Re John F 👇
“[Name removed] said he had seen him with 'different knives' on 'many occasions'.
He was shown a knife and pictures of knives, including two silver ones and a lock knife with a brown handle.
[Name removed] identified the ones in photographs as being similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.
John F was a ‘star witness’ during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder (not sure why AB was given that title) - even confirming he had witnessed the killer with a brown handled knife - which to date is still missing
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John F was a ‘star witness’ during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder (not sure why AB was given that title) - even confirming he had witnessed the killer with a brown handled knife - which to date is still missing
Some of ‘Star witness’ John F’s evidence
“Under lengthy cross-examination by the defence QC, Donald Findlay, he agreed that after the death he changed his appearance by hacking off his hair, delayed in going to the police, mis-stated the time he had been at the path, and had been ostracised by some of Jodi’s family
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On what date did John F last supply killer Luke Mitchell with weed?
Did John F also supply Corinne and Shane Mitchell with weed?
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John F was a ‘star witness’ during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder (not sure why AB was given that title) - even confirming he had witnessed the killer with a brown handled knife - which to date is still missing
‘Star witness’ John F also gave evidence of killer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike
Sandra Lean (15th Feb 2017)
GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes
What was John F’s exact evidence regarding the push bike ?
Sandra Lean
JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes
What was this evidence and why has grifter Sandra Lean chosen to lie by omission about it?
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‘Star witness’ John F also gave evidence of killer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike
Sandra Lean (15th Feb 2017)
GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes
What was John F’s exact evidence regarding the push bike ?
Sandra Lean
JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes
What was this evidence and why has grifter Sandra Lean chosen to lie by omission about it?
(Mis) ‘leading criminologist’Sandra Lean 15th Feb 2017
Why? Why so much focus on push bikes?
How did killer Luke Mitchell get to and from school in the lead up to his murder of [Name removed] and what was the evidence of the various witnesses?
Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Killers Missing Bike (Part 127)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-the-killers-missing-bike-part-127/
Con-Artist Sandra Lean Is The Joseph Goebbels Of Midlothian’s ‘Wrongful Conviction’ Movement
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/27/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-is-the-joseph-goebbels-of-midlothians-wrongful-conviction-movement-part-135/
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John F was a ‘star witness’ during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder (not sure why AB was given that title) - even confirming he had witnessed the killer with a brown handled knife - which to date is still missing
Was it grifter and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean who labelled Andrina Bryson the ‘star witness’?
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Why wasn’t John F given that label?
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Sandra Lean
AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house
Was this the stolen bike that John F swapped with killer Luke Mitchell?
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Sandra Lean
AW spoke of a bike JF had kept in the hallway at her house
Was this the stolen bike that John F swapped with killer Luke Mitchell?
Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What exactly was Gordon D’s evidence regarding the ‘yellow framed bike’?
And what colour were killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes?
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Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What exactly was Gordon D’s evidence regarding the ‘yellow framed bike’?
And what colour were killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes?
Sandra Lean
JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Did killer Luke Mitchell set off on his bike that evening to meet [Name removed] and confirmed this when he first spoke to Judith J then realised he’d slipped up so pretended this wasn’t what he’d first said to Judith?
Sandra Lean
JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike
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Sandra Lean
JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Did killer Luke Mitchell set off on his bike that evening to meet [Name removed] and confirmed this when he first spoke to Judith J then realised he’d slipped up so pretended this wasn’t what he’d first said to Judith?
Sandra Lean
JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike
Sandra Lean
what's he done with the bike
What did the Mitchell’s do with killer Luke Mitchell’s other bike?
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Sandra Lean
JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike
On what date did Judith J tell the police killer Luke Mitchell had “told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike”
Sandra Lean 15th Feb 2017
some weeks later - in between times, everyone was still under the impression that either Luke was on his bike that night, or that for some reason, he had lied to JuJ about it.
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On what date did Judith J tell the police killer Luke Mitchell had “told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike”
Sandra Lean 15th Feb 2017
some weeks later - in between times, everyone was still under the impression that either Luke was on his bike that night, or that for some reason, he had lied to JuJ about it.
This 👆🏽was before fraudster Sandra Lean chose to write and publish a second innocence fraud book - before bothering to carry out any reflection on her discredited first book and correct all the lies, disinformation and misinformation contained through out
And according to someone who’s read charlatan Sandra Lean’s second book she’s barely mentioned killer Luke Mitchell’s missing bike and all the evidence around this
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Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What exactly was Gordon D’s evidence regarding the ‘yellow framed bike’?
And what colour were killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier
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Was ‘star witness’ John F still in contact with killer Luke Mitchell up until his arrest in April 2004?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike
What has John F said about the bike since ?
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Shocking, but not surprising, John Scott is now a judge https://www.judiciary.scot/home/media-information/media-hub-news/2022/05/04/new-judges-appointed
“A graduate of Glasgow University, John Scott qualified as a solicitor in 1987. He obtained rights of audience (criminal) in 2001 and was appointed as a Queen’s Counsel in 2011, specialising in criminal law and, latterly, public inquiries. He chaired the Scottish Human Rights Centre, the Howard League for Penal Reform and Justice Scotland. From 2016, he was President of the Society of Solicitor Advocates. He chaired several independent reviews – including stop and search and biometrics in policing. He has chaired the Scottish Mental Health Law Review since May 2019 and will complete that work with a final report to Scottish Ministers in September 2022.
And John Scott chose to appear on a TV show on channel 5 TV promoting the innocence fraud of a sadistic, psychopathic killer in 2021
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Ana Azaria
There was no evidence of anything happening between Jodi and her brother during the stay at the grans, as in nothing to confirm their interactions etc. - as far as I am aware.
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Has Ana Azaria also been told psycho killer Simon Hall made a ‘false murder confession’
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On what date did John F last supply killer Luke Mitchell with weed?
”Meanwhile, the drug-dealer who was asked in court if he murdered Jodi has fled Dalkeith after Mitchell's family threatened him.
John [Name removed], 18, is now living with his pregnant girlfriend's parents in an ex-council house in Girvan, Ayrshire. [Name removed] admitted at the trial that he had supplied Mitchell 2oz of cannabis the day before Jodi was murdered.[/i]
Why exactly did the Mitchell’s threaten ‘star witness’ John F and how exactly did they threaten him?
”He admitted having supplied cannabis to friends and relatives, and said that Mitchell regularly bought the drug from him, and still owed him for his last purchase, on the day before Jodi’s death. He insisted that he had stopped dealing around Christmas last year.
Mr [Name removed] said he often saw Mitchell with knives. Once, Mitchell left a knife at a house and Mr [Name removed] took it home. He had handed it into the police after Jodi’s murder.
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”Meanwhile, the drug-dealer who was asked in court if he murdered Jodi has fled Dalkeith after Mitchell's family threatened him.
John [Name removed], 18, is now living with his pregnant girlfriend's parents in an ex-council house in Girvan, Ayrshire. [Name removed] admitted at the trial that he had supplied Mitchell 2oz of cannabis the day before Jodi was murdered.[/i]
Why exactly did the Mitchell’s threaten ‘star witness’ John F and how exactly did they threaten him?
”He admitted having supplied cannabis to friends and relatives, and said that Mitchell regularly bought the drug from him, and still owed him for his last purchase, on the day before Jodi’s death. He insisted that he had stopped dealing around Christmas last year.
Mr [Name removed] said he often saw Mitchell with knives. Once, Mitchell left a knife at a house and Mr [Name removed] took it home. He had handed it into the police after Jodi’s murder.
Did killer Luke Mitchell mention John F in his police witness statements/interviews and if so what did he say about him?
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John F was a ‘star witness’ during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder (not sure why AB was given that title) - even confirming he had witnessed the killer with a brown handled knife - which to date is still missing
Did ‘star witness’ John F see killer Luke Mitchell near Roans Dyke path or nearby that evening?
Re John F
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”On the day of the killing he had ridden an old moped down Roan’s Dyke path to meet his cousin and close friend, Gordon [Name removed], at Newbattle.
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Did John F see killer Luke Mitchell near Roans Dyke path or nearby that evening?
Re John F
”On the day of the killing he had ridden an old moped down Roan’s Dyke path to meet his cousin and close friend, Gordon [Name removed], at Newbattle.
Could ‘star witness’ John F have helped the Mitchell’s scrap the other push bike or known something about this?
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Could ‘star witness’ John F have helped the Mitchell’s scrap the other push bike or known something about this?
”Meanwhile, the drug-dealer who was asked in court if he murdered Jodi has fled Dalkeith after Mitchell's family threatened him. .
When exactly, why exactly and who exactly from the Mitchell family threatened ‘star witness’ John F and what exactly were they threatening him over ?
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And what was the name of the German shepherd dog the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had before Mia?
12th February 2005
“Mrs Mitchell denies her son's arrogant attitude is leading to conflict within Polmont Young Offenders' Institution.
Speaking of reports that Mitchell has a history of cruelty to animals, she said:
“Nothing about what the tabloid press are saying is true. You have it straight from me, Luke has not cut up animals.
What did Shane Mitchell say about this?
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12th February 2005
“Mrs Mitchell denies her son's arrogant attitude is leading to conflict within Polmont Young Offenders' Institution.
Speaking of reports that Mitchell has a history of cruelty to animals, she said:
“Nothing about what the tabloid press are saying is true. You have it straight from me, Luke has not cut up animals.
What did Shane Mitchell say about this?
“Estrangement has even crept within the closed doors of the Mitchell home. Both Mitchell's mother and brother, Shane, provided him with an alibi.
However, while Mrs Mitchell stuck to her story, Shane's alibi evaporated under questioning. The mechanic has now moved out and is said to "have disappeared off the face of the planet"
‘Estrangement’ or an injunction/interdict?
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When exactly, why exactly and who exactly from the Mitchell family threatened ‘star witness’ John F and what exactly were they threatening him over ?
Why would John F be threatened ?
What was it about John F that angered the Mitchell’s enough to threaten him?
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Why would John F be threatened ?
What was it about John F that angered the Mitchell’s enough to threaten him?
Did killer Luke Mitchell threaten to blame John F for his murder of [Name removed] ?
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Why would John F be threatened ?
What was it about John F that angered the Mitchell’s enough to threaten him?
25th November 2004
“Trainee bricklayer Gordon [Name removed], 17, told murder hunt detectives about conversations with his cousin, John [Name removed], before coming forward to volunteer information.
On July 7 last year, just over a week after Jodi’s death, Mr [Name removed] told them:
“John and I have been talking about everything and realised we had came up (sic) the Roan’s Dyke path about the time Jodi possibly went missing.
"We kept thinking about everything and talking about Luke."
What, if anything, was said about the push bike?
Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day.
What exactly was Gordon D’s evidence regarding the ‘yellow framed bike’?
And what colour were killer Luke Mitchell’s bikes?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike
Con artist and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean didn’t attend the trial so has no idea of all the evidence heard throughout these 42 days
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Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths - no-one else - not the dog walkers, the cyclist, the young couple walking earlier, or even JF himself mentioned this bike
What has John F said about the bike since ?
Did killer Luke Mitchell, if he was on his bike, move his other bike before Leonard Kelly rode down the path?
Or was Leonard Kelly in shock following what he heard behind the wall and missed seeing a bike ?
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12th February 2005
“Mrs Mitchell denies her son's arrogant attitude is leading to conflict within Polmont Young Offenders' Institution.
Speaking of reports that Mitchell has a history of cruelty to animals, she said:
“Nothing about what the tabloid press are saying is true. You have it straight from me, Luke has not cut up animals.
Corinne Mitchell was and is a bare faced liar
It sounds like the journo may have asked Corinne about the German shepherd dog she/they don’t appear to like talking about
What was the name of the family dog before Mia and did guilty murderer Luke Mitchell hit the dog over the head with a mallet and kill it, as referred to by true crime natters here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell threaten to blame John F for his murder of [Name removed] ?
“Mr F e r r i s told the court that he and another cousin, Gordon D i c k i e, were on the Roan's Dyke pathway at about 1715 on the day Jodi died, but said they did not see her.
He also said that Mr D i c k I e was not involved in the alleged murder.
Why did the Mitchell’s threaten John F and not Gordon D?
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Sandra Lean
JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes
So what exactly was all this evidence and why has grifter, toxic abuser and bare faced liar Sandra Lean chosen to lie by omission about it?
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Almost two in every five Traveller marriages are between cousins
“What it actually means is marrying one's first or second cousins. Up to 40 per cent of all marriages involving Travellers are between first cousins, and the Traveller Consanguinity Working Group clearly does not intend doing anything to bring the total down. "It is unrealistic to try to radically change their marriage behaviour,"
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https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/almost-two-in-every-five-traveller-marriages-are-between-cousins-26231063.html
Sandra Lean
In terms of relationships, let me try to make it a bit clearer. JoF's mum got together with JuJ's brother - they had a daughter (YW) between them. That means YW is JuJ's niece and Jodi's full cousin (JuJ's brother's daughter, or Jodi's uncle's daughter). Because of that relationship, JuJ's brother is now JoF's step father and YW is JoF's half sister. That's how he came to be considered Jodi's "cousin."
Now, let's move back to JoF's mum. She had a sister, who is GD's mum. Therefore, GD and JoF are full cousins - their mums are sisters. So JoF is a full cousin to GD and a "step cousin" to Jodi (his half sister, YW, being a full cousin to Jodi). Hope that helps!
Think the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s have a traveller background not the Jones/Walkers
as does Sandra Lean - according to a public statement made by one of her daughters
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Almost two in every five Traveller marriages are between cousins
“What it actually means is marrying one's first or second cousins. Up to 40 per cent of all marriages involving Travellers are between first cousins, and the Traveller Consanguinity Working Group clearly does not intend doing anything to bring the total down. "It is unrealistic to try to radically change their marriage behaviour,"
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https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/almost-two-in-every-five-traveller-marriages-are-between-cousins-26231063.html
Sandra Lean
In terms of relationships, let me try to make it a bit clearer. JoF's mum got together with JuJ's brother - they had a daughter (YW) between them. That means YW is JuJ's niece and Jodi's full cousin (JuJ's brother's daughter, or Jodi's uncle's daughter). Because of that relationship, JuJ's brother is now JoF's step father and YW is JoF's half sister. That's how he came to be considered Jodi's "cousin."
Now, let's move back to JoF's mum. She had a sister, who is GD's mum. Therefore, GD and JoF are full cousins - their mums are sisters. So JoF is a full cousin to GD and a "step cousin" to Jodi (his half sister, YW, being a full cousin to Jodi). Hope that helps!
Think the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s have a traveller background not the Jones/Walkers
as does Sandra Lean - according to a public statement made by one of her daughters
Maureen Heron
Lol yeah I know there's that much interbreeding I'm lost but sandra has explained it n my brain is still mashed lol
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Ana Azaria
There was no evidence of anything happening between Jodi and her brother during the stay at the grans, as in nothing to confirm their interactions etc. - as far as I am aware.
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Has Ana Azaria also been told psycho killer Simon Hall made a ‘false murder confession’
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And another
Dani Justice
Very interesting and lots of information
Theorising miscarriages of justice
Michael Naughton
Reader in Sociology and Law
Law School and School of Sociology, Politics and International Studies (SPAIS)
University of Bristol
December, 2022
Michael Naughton also promotes innocence fraud
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The one that wasn’t reported to the police anytime before the trial but was sold to the tabloids…that one?
Where in the tabloids was it reported killer Luke Mitchell pinned a young girl up against a tree when he was aged 11 as per true crime natters at around 13:10 here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU
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12th February 2005
“Mrs Mitchell denies her son's arrogant attitude is leading to conflict within Polmont Young Offenders' Institution.
Speaking of reports that Mitchell has a history of cruelty to animals, she said:
“Nothing about what the tabloid press are saying is true. You have it straight from me, Luke has not cut up animals.
At around 13:52 here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell give Lisa C Reynolds Peden photographs of the German shepherd dog the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s had before Mia to post online?
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Ana Azaria
There was no evidence of anything happening between Jodi and her brother during the stay at the grans, as in nothing to confirm their interactions etc. - as far as I am aware.
Glenda Cathersides
Ana Azaria - No and why would there be? The family aren’t talking and the police weren’t asking. We don’t know anything about [Name removed]’s friends or know of anyone she may have confided in. Teenage girlfriends share everything. Yet I’ve heard no statements from school friends who reported on what [Name removed]’s mood was like at school on Monday or what was going on in her life. In fact, we know virtually nothing about her movements leading up to the 30th. Not even what time she left school or arrived home that day.
Did grifter Sandra Lean write about the reporting restrictions in her 2nd book?
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Glenda Cathersides
Ana Azaria - No and why would there be? The family aren’t talking and the police weren’t asking. We don’t know anything about [Name removed]’s friends or know of anyone she may have confided in. Teenage girlfriends share everything. Yet I’ve heard no statements from school friends who reported on what [Name removed]’s mood was like at school on Monday or what was going on in her life. In fact, we know virtually nothing about her movements leading up to the 30th. Not even what time she left school or arrived home that day.
Did grifter Sandra Lean write about the reporting restrictions in her 2nd book?
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Other than Jodi being marked present on the morning register and friends apparently seeing her at lunch time, there's not much else after that,.
What about the friends/others children who saw her during the school time period
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Glenda Cathersides
Ana Azaria - What about LM, did he provide any details of her on and around the lead up to the murder? Would imagine they’d hang-out in school as well as outside. They must have talked together, about stuff going on in their life - siblings etc. And surely LM would have known if [Name removed] had been at school the full day etc?
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What exactly did the witness who claimed they saw a bike ‘propped at the wall’ say?
gordo30
many people paying attention to the bike and who witnessed it proped up against the V in the wall, what was it about this bike that made people notice it?
Did this witness see killer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike
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Sandra Lean
From memory, Luke texted Jodi at 4.34 to ask if she was coming out that evening, she responded that she was, where would she meet him, Luke responded saying she could come down to Newbattle after tea, she responded that she'd be down "later."
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386775.html#msg386775
Sandra Lean
From memory, Luke sent the first message, but I'm far from sure on that, and would have to check.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387175.html#msg387175
Wasn’t [Name removed]’s phone broken?
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Sandra Lean
When I very first met him, three and a half months after the murder, he told me he wasn't sure what Jodi might be doing "in between" and didn't want to call her house again in case he got her into trouble.
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Sandra Lean
JF ... well, he had a phone, but sometimes he didn't, and just like his bikes, he swapped his phones too
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg387786.html#msg387786
So grifter Sandra Lean is saying here John F swapped his bike
Sandra Lean
GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes.
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r
Is con woman Sandra Lean pretending killer Luke Mitchell was tested for cannabis on 1st July 2003?
”David Tulloch smoked cannabis with Mitchell an hour after Jodi was slain.
The 17-year-old said: 'I feel sick that I spent any time in his company.
''We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit.
“Now, Tulloch realises he had smoked drugs with a vindictive killer who had only just removed the blood from his hands.
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r
Are these ‘toxicology’ results from Polmont YO?
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Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school - they went to the China garden together with friends at lunch time. He didn't see or talk to after school - actually, there isn't much information regarding how Jodi got home. I'll see if I can find anything else. Toxicology showed that Jodi had probably smoked a joint less than two hours before death. The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r
These are the same people who are claiming they don’t know if [Name removed] was at school that day
If killer Luke Mitchell saw [Name removed] at school doesn’t it make sense others would have also
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Derek Edmond
Having went to the same school as both Luke and Jodi at the same time, albeit 2 years above them and knowing both of them personally, this case has been really close to home for me. I know for a fact that Luke never did this and Jodi wouldn’t have wanted him being framed for the murder. Jodi was such a sweet girl as we used to speak in the passing within the school’s music department. I still find it hard to come to terms with the way she was so brutally murdered and also how she’s been let down by her family. Someone within her family knows what’s happened and are covering it up. I also believe also that the real perpetrator(s) are closer to home for the Jones family. The proof they’re hiding something is there for all to see. Imagine that being your family member and nothing connecting Luke forensically to the murder. You’d be moving mountains to find the real perpetrator(s). For that reason and all the changing of stories, it’s clear perverting the course of justice. Those hiding the truth should be ashamed. Having assisted Dr Sandra Lean and her team on this case, we have all faced a lot of grief in a number of ways. The establishment are terrified of the truth and I believe that Luke will see the outside of the prison purely based on the fact that the Police have made such a hash of the whole case, they don’t want to be taken to task over their corruption as those found to be turning a blind eye to leads or evidence and trying to hide evidence to fit their narrative are culpable and could be prosecuted.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yamxg0YT7Rs
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What ‘grief’ is Derek Edmond referring to that he and [moderated] Sandra Lean have ‘faced’?
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Ronnie Mothersole I understand what you're saying Ronnie, but there are a number of tried and tested legal arguments that would halt this at the first hurdle - if we're claiming "inadequate DNA testing" at the time, they will argue that it would have been known about, and therefore should have been questioned by the defence, at the time.
Here's where the minefield begins. If we argue that, based on today's knowledge, the DNA was inadequately tested,they'll say,well, you can't hold them accountable for something they didn't know.
Same thing for "unreliable" - they'd argue that it was believed to be reliable at the time and was therefore used in "good faith" at the time.
This is what I mean about the "secret language" - phrases like "inadequate testing" and "unreliable evidence" mean entirely different things to us ordinary people than they are "understood" in legal jargon.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying we need to make sure that we're all "speaking the same language" - and that is where the minefield lies!!!!
Do you think you, Ronnie Mothersole and Scott Forbes are ‘ordinary people’ Sandra Lean ?
Latest On Tom Halliday, Pathetic ‘Mr Big’ Ronnie Mothersole & Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Forbes (Part 130)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/21/killer-luke-mitchell-latest-on-tom-halliday-mr-big-ron-m/
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Not quite, Ronnie. The parka story began with Fleming and Walsh (one of them said it "might have been" a parka jacket - just like it "might have been" Luke, when we know it could have been MK), then grew arms and legs through the rumour mill in the local area and, in the end, only one teacher was brought forward to say he "remembered" Luke in a Parka jacket. They said that teacher was "reliable" because he left the school at the end of the term, so his memory "must have been" before Jodi was murdered. What they didn't consider was that he was local and would almost certainly have seen the media coverage of Luke in the parka jacket.
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other
What a fraudster
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In reality - Fraudster Sandra Lean wrote two books (No Smoke & IB) which weren’t based on ALL the 42 days worth of evidence heard during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
And because grifter Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial she has no idea of all the evidence heard around Jodi Jones movements that day
The fact killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence was that he also saw [Name removed] in school that day should be ringing alarm bells for all those people who have been, and are being, duped by Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud
How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school -
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How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?
Did innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean write about the reporting restrictions through out the 42 day trial and why there would have been reporting restrictions?
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How many students and teachers who saw Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003 made statements and/or gave evidence during the 42 dat trial you did not attend Sandra Lean?
What exactly did killer Luke Mitchell’s statements say about having seen Jodi Jones at school on the 31st June 2003?
Ana Azaria
Glenda Cathersides Luke saw Jodi at lunch time and he had seen her at school -
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Has [moderated] Sandra Lean and fantasist Scott Forbes been communicating with Tam Walker and Carrie Walker?
Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
Ana Azaria
Hi Tam, welcome - thank you for being here.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask
Carolanne Robertson Graham
Related to whom ?
Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy
Stuart Henderson
Carrie Walker How are you finding the group so far?.
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham he is my Dad, we are relations to Jodi
Carrie Walker
Stuart Henderson its quite an eye-opener tbh found out alot about quite a few family members that was even hidden from us especially when we were through there quite alot.
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham we hope so too. We loved Jodi very much ❤️ and hope Luke gets the freedom he deserves ❤️
Ann Rushford
welcome Tam Walker & Carrie Walker 👍 and sorry you've had to find out information this way, cant be nice.. good to have u here xx
Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?
Did Tam and Carrie Walker attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial?
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Did Tam and Carrie Walker attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial?
Carrie Walker
Evening all
I have invited a few other members of my family to the group as they like myself believe Luke is innocent.
We are relations of Jodi and miss her very much and want those responsible punished.
We want to thank you for making us feel very welcome here and for all your lovely comments, hopefully together we can wake more people up to seeing the truth. ❤️
Heather Lungley
I’ve just said it on your dad’s post but big respect to you both for joining the group, it must be quite a difficult stance for you both and I hope it doesn’t cause you any hassle. We want justice for Jodi too💛
Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?/color]
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Not quite, Ronnie. The parka story began with Fleming and Walsh (one of them said it "might have been" a parka jacket - just like it "might have been" Luke, when we know it could have been MK), then grew arms and legs through the rumour mill in the local area and, in the end, only one teacher was brought forward to say he "remembered" Luke in a Parka jacket. They said that teacher was "reliable" because he left the school at the end of the term, so his memory "must have been" before Jodi was murdered. What they didn't consider was that he was local and would almost certainly have seen the media coverage of Luke in the parka jacket.
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other
No it did not Sandra Lean !
The parka story ‘began’ when killer Luke Mitchell first wore the original parka and was seen wearing said parka - prior to him committing his murder and prior to the replacement parka being purchased
Many witnesses gave evidence they had seen killer Luke wearing the first parka - dates of which were before June 2003
And if you are choosing to go by the date when statements were taken/given to the police Sandra Lean - why don’t you publish all of the dates of the witnesses who gave evidence to the police about having seen killer Luke wearing the first parka along with the dates they say they saw him wearing it
Along with all the evidence heard during the trial relating to killer Luke’s first parka
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Carrie Walker
Evening all
I have invited a few other members of my family to the group as they like myself believe Luke is innocent.
We are relations of Jodi and miss her very much and want those responsible punished.
We want to thank you for making us feel very welcome here and for all your lovely comments, hopefully together we can wake more people up to seeing the truth. ❤️
Heather Lungley
I’ve just said it on your dad’s post but big respect to you both for joining the group, it must be quite a difficult stance for you both and I hope it doesn’t cause you any hassle. We want justice for Jodi too💛
Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?/color]
Kerry Tremble Kevan
Welcome Tam & carrie ❤️ so pleased you've got the courage to join & help right this massive wrong for both Jodi & Luke 🙏💕 It's such a tragedy.
Courage ?
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Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
For someone who is ‘related’ it’s appalling (and telling) how Tam Walker chose to refer to Jodi Jones as ‘this gruesome crime’
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Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
‘I’m Tam Walker and something to know about me is’ I could not careless about Jodi Jones and her mother and siblings etc
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Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
‘I’m Tam Walker and something to know about me is’ I could not careless about Jodi Jones and her mother and siblings etc
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Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy
What about Jodi Jones Tam Walker?
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Carrie Walker
Stuart Henderson its quite an eye-opener tbh found out alot about quite a few family members that was even hidden from us especially when we were through there quite alot.
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Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
‘Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is’ my herd behaviour
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‘Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is’ my herd behaviour
Why didn’t Tam (Thomas) Walker attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial?
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Sandra Lean
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other
If you had attended killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial Sandra Lean your knowledge on Jodi Jones movements that day would not be as limited as they are
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Liar Corinne Mitchell claimed she did not know about her killer son Luke Mitchell’s knife pouch
“A knife pouch with the initials "[Name removed]" and numerals "666" written on it is found in Mitchell's bedroom. The empty pouch also has the dates 1989-2003 written on it.
What did killer Luke tell police about where his knife pouch originated and when he first got it?
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Sandra Lean
We have evidence of a girl on the public service bus (not the school bus) saying she "might have" seen a girl who "could have been Jodi" on the bus - and that's it. Once again, it seems there was absolutely no effort to find the people who could have said for sure, one way or the other
How many of Jodi Jones teachers/classmates did the police speak to and what were the arrangements regarding this evidence?
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What was Dean Houston’s evidence regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s push bikes?
“All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.'
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Why did [moderated] Sandra Lean choose to label Andrina Bryson as a ‘star witness’ and not someone like Carol Heatlie?
“Scottish Executive employee Carol Heatlie tells the court a youth caught her eye as she drove down Newbattle Road.
She says she saw a male standing at a driveway entrance 'looking up and down the road I was travelling on'.
And she explains that once the witness spotted him, the youth stepped away from the road.
She says: 'The fact he had stepped back out of view made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed right down at the entrance to the driveway and looked into the driveway. I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of put his head down to the side.'
She describes the young man as between 15 and 17, with dirty-blond, fairly long hair and wearing dark, baggy clothes in a 'grungy' style. Asked whether she recognises the young man in court, Mrs Heatlie looks at Mitchell and says he was 'similar'.
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Ana Azaria
The prosecution tried to suggest that Luke had given her the cannabis, as he was also known to smoke it - but none of the friends they were with at lunch time saw Luke give any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home/smoke later. Even if they had smoked cannabis at lunch time, this would still have been more than 3 hours before her death, so where did she get the cannabis, and who from?Nothing showed in Luke's toxicology. Friends said Jodi wouldn't have smoked alone.r
Is con woman Sandra Lean pretending killer Luke Mitchell was tested for cannabis on 1st July 2003?
”David Tulloch smoked cannabis with Mitchell an hour after Jodi was slain.
The 17-year-old said: 'I feel sick that I spent any time in his company.
''We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit.
“Now, Tulloch realises he had smoked drugs with a vindictive killer who had only just removed the blood from his hands.
When con woman Sandra Lean refers to ‘toxicology’ what exactly has she said about this?
“THE court hears that Mitchell smoked cannabis with his pals a little more than two hours after Jodi left home for the last time.
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What did killer Luke Mitchell tell police about why he changed his mind about the three friends going to his house in Newbattle abbey crescent to deciding to meet them at the abbey college?
“School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
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Sandra Lean
When I very first met him, three and a half months after the murder, he told me he wasn't sure what Jodi might be doing "in between" and didn't want to call her house again in case he got her into trouble.
2nd July 2003
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“Police say they have had a good response from the public and received more than 140 calls in the first 24 hours. But there have been no sightings of the girl, leading police to believe she may have been killed shortly after she was last seen.
/communicated and met with her killer Luke Mitchell
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”Jodi’s mother, brother Joseph, 20, and sister Janine, 17, were being comforted by friends and relatives at the semi-detached family home. The 14-year-old was close to her extended family, particularly her grandmother, who the whole family moved in with for a short time about eight years. Jodi continued to regularly visit her grandmother, who lives near the rest of the family, sometimes spending weekends with her.
as she did on the weekend of the 28th/29th June
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How many of Jodi Jones teachers/classmates did the police speak to and what were the arrangements regarding this evidence?
“One 40-year-old, who did not want to be named, said: "This has come as a horrific shock to everyone who lives in the area.
"I saw Jodi on her way back from school on Monday afternoon and she walked past my house looking like she didn’t have a care in the world
“She was a very friendly girl from a very nice family. She was always at school. I always saw her getting on and off the school bus.
“She seemed very popular. There were always friends of hers calling at the house. She was like any other teenager, she had started dying her hair different colours such as red and purple, and experimenting with clothes. She had a Goth style and so did her boyfriend, who she was with a lot.
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Why did [moderated] Sandra Lean choose to label Andrina Bryson as a ‘star witness’ and not someone like Carol Heatlie?
“Scottish Executive employee Carol Heatlie tells the court a youth caught her eye as she drove down Newbattle Road.
She says she saw a male standing at a driveway entrance 'looking up and down the road I was travelling on'.
And she explains that once the witness spotted him, the youth stepped away from the road.
She says: 'The fact he had stepped back out of view made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed right down at the entrance to the driveway and looked into the driveway. I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of put his head down to the side.'
She describes the young man as between 15 and 17, with dirty-blond, fairly long hair and wearing dark, baggy clothes in a 'grungy' style. Asked whether she recognises the young man in court, Mrs Heatlie looks at Mitchell and says he was 'similar'.
“Mr Holburn, 18, a photography student, told the court he and his friends were cycling on Newbattle Road towards the Jewel and Esk College in the evening of Monday June 30.
He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall. Mr Holburn asked his friends, who attend St David's High School in Dalkeith, who the young man was.
''What was the answer?'' he was asked in court. ''Luke Mitchell,'' the witness replied.
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Almost two in every five Traveller marriages are between cousins
“What it actually means is marrying one's first or second cousins. Up to 40 per cent of all marriages involving Travellers are between first cousins, and the Traveller Consanguinity Working Group clearly does not intend doing anything to bring the total down. "It is unrealistic to try to radically change their marriage behaviour,"
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https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/almost-two-in-every-five-traveller-marriages-are-between-cousins-26231063.html
Sandra Lean
In terms of relationships, let me try to make it a bit clearer. JoF's mum got together with JuJ's brother - they had a daughter (YW) between them. That means YW is JuJ's niece and Jodi's full cousin (JuJ's brother's daughter, or Jodi's uncle's daughter). Because of that relationship, JuJ's brother is now JoF's step father and YW is JoF's half sister. That's how he came to be considered Jodi's "cousin."
Now, let's move back to JoF's mum. She had a sister, who is GD's mum. Therefore, GD and JoF are full cousins - their mums are sisters. So JoF is a full cousin to GD and a "step cousin" to Jodi (his half sister, YW, being a full cousin to Jodi). Hope that helps!
Will Sandra Lean be publishing a family tree to include Tam (Thomas) and Carrie Walker?
Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham he is my Dad, we are relations to Jodi
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“Mr Holburn, 18, a photography student, told the court he and his friends were cycling on Newbattle Road towards the Jewel and Esk College in the evening of Monday June 30.
He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall. Mr Holburn asked his friends, who attend St David's High School in Dalkeith, who the young man was.
''What was the answer?'' he was asked in court. ''Luke Mitchell,'' the witness replied.
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Andrew Holborn wasn’t a friend of killer Luke Mitchell - he was 18 years of age and didn’t know killer Luke
Yet fraudster Sandra Lean claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/)
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
“A GROUP of friends cycling spotted Luke Mitchell on the day Jodi Jones died, on a road that passes the entrance to the path where her body was found, a court heard yesterday.
Again - Andrew Holburn did not know killer Luke Mitchell
“He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
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Andrew Holborn wasn’t a friend of killer Luke Mitchell - he was 18 years of age and didn’t know killer Luke
Yet fraudster Sandra Lean claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/)
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
“A GROUP of friends cycling spotted Luke Mitchell on the day Jodi Jones died, on a road that passes the entrance to the path where her body was found, a court heard yesterday.
Again - Andrew Holburn did not know killer Luke Mitchell
“He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
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What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
Sandra Lean
Luke's next door neighbour told police that he saw Luke out on the street, heading for his house at "about 10 o'clock or a little after." I've never quite worked out where the police were trying to go with this - I think it was in some way trying to frame an opportunity for Luke to have disposed of the weapon or clothing.
Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
If we insert neighbour's sighting into that, the prosecution case is that Luke, having escaped unnoticed, cleaned up and been identified sitting, perfectly normal, on a wall at the end of his street by 5.45pm, messed around in the woods with his mates, returned home, went out again to be seen returning half an hour later (having disposed of the weapon - the clothing part was dropped when they decided Corinne had burned it in the garden), went out again 20 - 30 minutes later to take the dog for a walk.
The evidence was that killer Luke Mitchell was STANDING and Carole Heatle stated
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“Scottish Executive employee Carol Heatlie tells the court a youth caught her eye as she drove down Newbattle Road.
She says she saw a male standing at a driveway entrance 'looking up and down the road I was travelling on'.
And she explains that once the witness spotted him, the youth stepped away from the road.
She says: 'The fact he had stepped back out of view made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed right down at the entrance to the driveway and looked into the driveway. I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of put his head down to the side.'
She describes the young man as between 15 and 17, with dirty-blond, fairly long hair and wearing dark, baggy clothes in a 'grungy' style. Asked whether she recognises the young man in court, Mrs Heatlie looks at Mitchell and says he was 'similar'.
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What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
“A YOUTH who looked like murder accused Luke Mitchell stepped out of view when he saw an approaching motorist, a court heard yesterday.
Carol Heatlie slowed down to look at the youngster who withdrew into a driveway.
The incident happened on June 30 last year, near where Jodi Jones, 14, was allegedly murdered by Mitchell.
Ms Heatlie, 46, a human resources manager, said she was driving along Newbattle Road in Dalkeith, Midlothian, at about 6.05pm.
The High Court in Edinburgh has already heard that Roan's Dyke path - the area where Jodi's mutilated body was found - runs off the road.
Ms Heatlie said she first saw the youth at the driveway which is close to the entrance to Mitchell's home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent.
She said: 'He was standing on the pavement and down the road.When he saw my car, he quickly stepped back into the driveway out of my view.
'The fact he stepped back made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed down and watched what he was doing and looked into the driveway.
'I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of held his head down to the side.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Driver+saw+%27youth+like+Mitchell%27+Jury+told+of+sighting.-a0125696841
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From Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
What are the names of the witnesses charlatan Sandra Lean claimed saw killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
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Excerpt from con woman Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell sitting on a wall Sandra Lean?
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What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
Also Sandra Lean, Carole Heatle stated ‘VERY VERY SIMILAR’ not ‘very like’
“Carol Heatlie, 46, a Scottish Executive employee, said that a youth caught her eye as she drove down Newbattle Road at about 6.05pm on June 30.
Driver saw 'youth like Mitchell' Jury told of sighting
“Carol Heatlie slowed down to look at the youngster who withdrew into a driveway.
“Ms Heatlie, 46, a human resources manager, said she was driving along Newbattle Road in Dalkeith, Midlothian, at about 6.05pm.
“She said: 'He was standing on the pavement and down the road.When he saw my car, he quickly stepped back into the driveway out of my view.
“The fact he stepped back made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed down and watched what he was doing and looked into the driveway.
“I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of held his head down to the side
Asked by advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, if she recognised Mitchell as the person she had seen, Mrs Heatlie replied: 'I recognised him as looking very, very similar.'
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“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
Andrew Holborn was an 18 years of age ‘photography student’ not a schoolboy - who did NOT know killer Luke Mitchell!
Also Sandra Lean
Andrew Holburn(18), Grant Elliot and Dean Houston(both 15) positively identified killer Luke Mitchell BEFORE Newbattle Abbey crescent - NOT IN Newbattle Abbey crescent
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“He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
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Also Sandra Lean, Carole Heatle stated ‘VERY VERY SIMILAR’ not ‘very like’
“Carol Heatlie, 46, a Scottish Executive employee, said that a youth caught her eye as she drove down Newbattle Road at about 6.05pm on June 30.
Driver saw 'youth like Mitchell' Jury told of sighting
“Carol Heatlie slowed down to look at the youngster who withdrew into a driveway.
“Ms Heatlie, 46, a human resources manager, said she was driving along Newbattle Road in Dalkeith, Midlothian, at about 6.05pm.
“She said: 'He was standing on the pavement and down the road.When he saw my car, he quickly stepped back into the driveway out of my view.
“The fact he stepped back made me wonder what he was doing. I slowed down and watched what he was doing and looked into the driveway.
“I am sure he saw me looking at him and kind of held his head down to the side
Asked by advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, if she recognised Mitchell as the person she had seen, Mrs Heatlie replied: 'I recognised him as looking very, very similar.'
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‘Driver’ Carole Heatle was yet another ‘star witness’
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What was Dean Houston’s evidence regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s push bikes?
“All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.'
On the phone to David High asking that he meet killer Luke Mitchell at his house
“School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, .
The witnesses evidence was NOT that killer Luke Mitchell was at the end of his street Sandra Lean - Carole Heatle saw killer Luke Mitchell around the same time and place as Andrew Holburn, Grant Elliot and Dean Houston
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On the phone to David High asking that he meet killer Luke Mitchell at his house
The witnesses evidence was NOT that killer Luke Mitchell was at the end of his street Sandra Lean - Carole Heatle saw killer Luke Mitchell around the same time and place as Andrew Holburn, Grant Elliot and Dean Houston
“THREE teenage pals tell the court they spotted Mitchell on a road which passes the entrance to the path where Jodi died.
Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot all say they saw him after Jodi is said to have left her home.
Another witness says she saw a youth who looked like Mitchell stepping out of view when she approached in her car.
School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
Which one of these three teenagers had a puncture on their bike?
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“THREE teenage pals tell the court they spotted Mitchell on a road which passes the entrance to the path where Jodi died.
Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot all say they saw him after Jodi is said to have left her home.
Another witness says she saw a youth who looked like Mitchell stepping out of view when she approached in her car.
School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
Why did killer Luke Mitchell change his mind and phone David High back - who was already at the abbey - to tell him he would instead meet him at the abbey ?
And what exactly did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about these events?
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What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
What were/are the name of these ‘schoolboys’ Sandra Lean ?
“Mr Holburn, 18, a photography student, told the court he and his friends were cycling on Newbattle Road towards the Jewel and Esk College in the evening of Monday June 30.
He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
The witness said he saw a young man, whom he did not recognise, standing at a break in a wall. Mr Holburn asked his friends, who attend St David's High School in Dalkeith, who the young man was.
''What was the answer?'' he was asked in court. ''Luke Mitchell,'' the witness replied.
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And where did you get your timings from?
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
Andrew Holburn said the time was 5.55pm or 6pm.
Where did you get 5.45-5.50 from Sandra?
And David High said that killer Luke Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm so why have you got the timings for this at 6.50-6.55pm?
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Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
3 of those 6 witnesses are Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot
So who are the 3 ‘schoolboys’ you claim saw killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall’ at 5.45-5.50 Sandra Lean?
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street
Who are they ?
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3 of those 6 witnesses are Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot
So who are the 3 ‘schoolboys’ you claim saw killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall’ at 5.45-5.50 Sandra Lean?
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street
Who are they ?
“And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later.
Wouldn’t that take the timings to 6.30pm around the time killer Luke Mitchell phoned David High?
“Mr Holburn, 18, a photography student, told the court he and his friends were cycling on Newbattle Road towards the Jewel and Esk College in the evening of Monday June 30.
He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent, where the accused lived. He said they would have cycled past at about 5.55pm or 6pm.
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Because Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliott couldn’t have seen killer Luke Mitchell at 5.30pm because they were never in Newbattle abbey crescent!
“THREE teenage pals tell the court they spotted Mitchell on a road which passes the entrance to the path where Jodi died.
“Photography student Andrew Holburn explains he and his two friends were cycling down Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, towards the Jewel and Esk College on Monday, June 30, last year when they saw a young man standing at the entrance to the Roan's Dyke path.
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You’ve made this up Sandra Lean
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street
*&^^&
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Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliott
This makes 3 more ‘star witnesses’
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I think it's all very well, one thing, that LM, a 14yr old may have, in the heat of the moment become so enraged he killed his girlfriend. Being able to plan the perfect cover up in the aftermath is something entirely different. "The police didn't bank on Luke being Luke though" - there is however no way that LM could have banked on the police being anything. Of the finer details in everything that would have been sought to confirm all that was said.
What did he need - An alibi, evident at this point that only his mother would perhaps suffice. No evident collaboration from SM. From the moment it was evident however that his mother would not suffice, SM's story changed.
Does it make sense, even after the change - simply no. That he had come downstairs, Luke was mashing tatties, had a conversation around the dinner, went back upstairs, then came down and collected his dinner, took it upstairs, ate it and left shortly after 5.30pm - CM did not arrive home until 5.15pm at the earliest, the dinner was not ready. Where is the time?
We know by Luke's account he could not have left any later really that 5.30pm. He claimed to have made the call to the Jones landline, whilst sitting on the wall at the entrance of the estate. This call was at 5.32pm.
Both brothers, irrespective of change in statements made it clear that neither saw the other around these times of leaving.
How could this possibly be? - SM could not have left earlier than LM and SM could not have failed to see Luke walking or sitting on the wall. There is only one entrance to Newbattle Abbey crescent. It is a straight road to the entrance from the house in which they stayed.
No one saw killer Luke Mitchell sitting on a wall because he wasn’t sitting on any wall after he’d committed his murder
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And this does work across the board, as we had with the bike at the break in the wall - morphed from "close to", to at and at the V - when the break can not be seen from anywhere other than directly beside it. And we know it was a motorist, and we know they were from BTH - and the author knows all of this, and it is morphed into something else, and used, even though she can not fail to know that it is categorically wrong!!
Do all the people choosing to help promote this guilty killer, his mother and Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud know exactly what the witness from Basic tool hire said about the bike?
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And are all these people aware they are all choosing to support and promote fraud akin to organised crime ?
Sandra Lean is a con woman
She’s not an ‘ordinary person’ like she wants people to believe her to be
She bare face lies, cheats and schemes
“The narcissist can be a master of phony empathy. He (she) appears to take you in, understand what you are experiencing, and genuinely be able to put himself in your shoes.
These acts cause you to let your guard down; just when you think there is a genuine give-and-take in your relationship, he pulls a fast one on you-a “gotcha”- most often when you’re at a low point.
https://thenarcissisticlife.com/games-narcissists-play/
“The most dangerous culprits of gaslighting? Malignant narcissists, who, by default, use gaslighting as a strategy to undermine the perception of their victims in order to evade accountability for their abuse. These perpetrators can use gaslighting callously and sadistically because they lack the remorse, empathy, or conscience to have any limits when they terrorize you or covertly provoke you. Gaslighting by a malignant narcissist is covert murder with clean hands, allowing the perpetrator to get away with their mistreatment while depicting the victims as the abusers.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/03/7-gaslighting-phrases-malignant-narcissists-sociopaths-and-psychopaths-use-translated
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““The most dangerous culprits of gaslighting? Malignant narcissists, who, by default, use gaslighting as a strategy to undermine the perception of their victims in order to evade accountability for their abuse.
Abusers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes are intentionally re-victimising Jodi Jones loved ones
The pair of them have gaslighted some people into thinking someone else was responsible for killer Luke Mitchell’s murder
In reality the evidence - when viewed in its entirety - points to psychopathic and malignant narcissistic killer Luke Mitchell and Luke Mitchell only!
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Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
Yet according to liar Corinne Mitchell when she spoke to James English 5:40pm was the time she claimed her killer son Luke Mitchell left her house
Listen from around 04:12
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
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Yet according to liar Corinne Mitchell when she spoke to James English 5:40pm was the time she claimed her killer son Luke Mitchell left her house
Listen from around 04:12
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
Liar Corinne Mitchell even says the reason her killer son Luke Mitchell left at 5:40pm was ‘to sit at the end of our street’
04:18
But killer Luke Mitchell never sat at the end of Newbattle abbey crescent and was never seen sitting in Newbattle abbey crescent
This narrative has been concocted - it never happened
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Liar Corinne Mitchell even says the reason her killer son Luke Mitchell left at 5:40pm was ‘to sit at the end of our street’
04:18
But killer Luke Mitchell never sat at the end of Newbattle abbey crescent and was never seen sitting in Newbattle abbey crescent
This narrative has been concocted - it never happened
04:34 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
Liar Corinne Mitchell then goes on to tell James English
‘And at that time a whole lot of them were meeting over in the abbey’
Which is another barefaced lie
David High’s evidence was that at around 6:30pm killer Luke Mitchell phoned him and initially had invited him round to his house
Killer Luke Mitchell then phoned David High back to tell him he would meet him at the abbey
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04:34 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
Liar Corinne Mitchell then goes on to tell James English
‘And at that time a whole lot of them were meeting over in the abbey’
Which is another barefaced lie
David High’s evidence was that at around 6:30pm killer Luke Mitchell phoned him and initially had invited him round to his house
Killer Luke Mitchell then phoned David High back to tell him he would meet him at the abbey
Killer Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when Corinne Mitchell says she got divorced - this is what she tells James English at the very beginning of the video
Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when he apparently assaulted a young girl and pinned her to a tree
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Killer Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when Corinne Mitchell says she got divorced - this is what she tells James English at the very beginning of the video
Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when he apparently assaulted a young girl and pinned her to a tree
The video doesn’t start until around 01:25 and within less than a minute liar Corinne Mitchell has said to James English that her killer son Luke Mitchell “loved animals’
Why?
Why was this one of the first things she chooses to tell James English?
And why didn’t Corinne Mitchell mention the dog they had before Mia?
It’s also around this time - 02:15 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 - a photo of killer Luke Mitchell on a horse comes up on the screen
What about the dog they had before Mia?
And why is Corinne Mitchell so keen to say her killer son ‘loved animals’?
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The video doesn’t start until around 01:25 and within less than a minute liar Corinne Mitchell has said to James English that her killer son Luke Mitchell “loved animals’
Why?
Why was this one of the first things she chooses to tell James English?
And why didn’t Corinne Mitchell mention the dog they had before Mia?
It’s also around this time - 02:15 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 - a photo of killer Luke Mitchell on a horse comes up on the screen
What about the dog they had before Mia?
And why is Corinne Mitchell so keen to say her killer son ‘loved animals’?
Liar Corinne Mitchell claimed to James English her and her then husband Phil ‘just grew apart’
Again she states her killer son Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when she divorced
This is around the time the first reports of killer Luke Mitchell showing signs of violence and sexual aggression - although Corinne refers to her killer son at this time as ‘normal’
*&^^&
And again - what about the family dog before Mia and the story of killer Luke Mitchell apparently hitting it over the head with a mallet ?
Why does Corinne Mitchell choose to not address her killer son Luke Mitchell’s behaviour during the video with James English?
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Liar Corinne Mitchell claimed to James English her and her then husband Phil ‘just grew apart’
Again she states her killer son Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when she divorced
This is around the time the first reports of killer Luke Mitchell showing signs of violence and sexual aggression - although Corinne refers to her killer son at this time as ‘normal’
*&^^&
And again - what about the family dog before Mia and the story of killer Luke Mitchell apparently hitting it over the head with a mallet ?
Why does Corinne Mitchell choose to not address her killer son Luke Mitchell’s behaviour during the video with James English?
Corinne Mitchell also very early on lies to James English about the length of time her killer son Luke Mitchell was seeing Jodi Jones for
Corinne states it was ‘5 months’ but in reality it was no more than 3 months - just over
Corinne also chooses to not mention Kara Van Null or Kimberly Thompson
Or Gemma Chapman for that matter
How and when did killer Luke Mitchell meet Gemma Chapman and when did they first start seeing each other?
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Corinne Mitchell also very early on lies to James English about the length of time her killer son Luke Mitchell was seeing Jodi Jones for
Corinne states it was ‘5 months’ but in reality it was no more than 3 months - just over
Corinne also chooses to not mention Kara Van Null or Kimberly Thompson
Or Gemma Chapman for that matter
How and when did killer Luke Mitchell meet Gemma Chapman and when did they first start seeing each other?
At around just past 5:00 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 liar Corinne Mitchell again tells James English her killer son Luke Mitchell was sat on a wall
Corinne stated,
“He went.. he sat on the wall at the end of our street - nothing happened - he walked up a few yards to what’s called Barondale cottages so you could see round a corner ‘cos that roads quite bendy’
Again Killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t seen by anyone sitting on any wall and he also wasn’t seen trying to look round bend roads
Killer Luke Mitchell was seen by at least 6 witnesses acting suspiciously and not one of them said he was walking anywhere
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At around just past 5:00 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 liar Corinne Mitchell again tells James English her killer son Luke Mitchell was sat on a wall
Corinne stated,
“He went.. he sat on the wall at the end of our street - nothing happened - he walked up a few yards to what’s called Barondale cottages so you could see round a corner ‘cos that roads quite bendy’
Again Killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t seen by anyone sitting on any wall and he also wasn’t seen trying to look round bend roads
Killer Luke Mitchell was seen by at least 6 witnesses acting suspiciously and not one of them said he was walking anywhere
Liar Corinne Mitchell then goes on to still James English another whopper of a concoction about her killer son Luke Mitchell phoning her to ask if ‘Jodi has been’ and ‘if she comes or if she phones tell her we’re in the abbey’
Why would Jodi Jones phone Corinne Mitchell and not his mobile?
All this is BEFORE killer Luke Mitchell’s 6:30pm phone call to David High in which she invites David back to his house
*&^^&
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Also just before 05:00 cruel and callous liar Corinne Mitchell makes a point of attempting to paint young Jodi Jones in a poor light to James English by making the claim Jodi was ‘on hash long before Luke’
*&^^&
His curfew was ten same as hers”
Notice how Corinne chooses to not use Jodi Jones name
Also notice how Corinne Mitchell does not display iota of concern for Jodi Jones when she is telling James English Jodi is missing
Also notice how Corinne concocts yet another story to James about what her killer son Luke Mitchell said to Judith Jones when he phoned her
“She’s not here and she’s what do mean she’s not here hmm hmm she never came down he said I’ve been with my friends and she’s never come down my mum says she’s not been at the door she went well I’m going to phone round all her friends”
Listen and look at cruel and callous Corinne Mitchell’s tone and facial expressions when she says that Judith Jones allegedly said to her killer son at this point she was ‘going to phone round all her friends’
*&^^&
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Liar Corinne Mitchell claimed to James English her and her then husband Phil ‘just grew apart’
Again she states her killer son Luke Mitchell was 11 years of age when she divorced
This is around the time the first reports of killer Luke Mitchell showing signs of violence and sexual aggression - although Corinne refers to her killer son at this time as ‘normal’
*&^^&
And again - what about the family dog before Mia and the story of killer Luke Mitchell apparently hitting it over the head with a mallet ?
Why does Corinne Mitchell choose to not address her killer son Luke Mitchell’s behaviour during the video with James English?
Straight after this liar Corinne Mitchell tells James English that Judith Jones phoned back and that her killer son said Judith Jones was organising a search party
Corinne claimed that her killer son Luke Mitchell said;
“We’re going out looking for her”
And that she said,
“Not at this time of night you’re not young man”
Another concoction 👆🏽
Killer Luke Mitchell told police it was his mother Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion that he go out looking for Jodi Jones
‘The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4111441.st
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4111441.st
“He also faces charges of being in possession of a knife or knives in public places, including St David's High School, on various occasions between January 1 and June 30, 2003.
Something else con artist Sandra Lean doesn’t mention is the above
From the 1st January 2003
How much evidence was there to show killer Luke Mitchell was ‘in possession of a knife or knives in public places’ since January 2003?
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The video doesn’t start until around 01:25 and within less than a minute liar Corinne Mitchell has said to James English that her killer son Luke Mitchell “loved animals’
Massive red flag this 👆🏽
Especially given what true crime natters has recently disclosed here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU
"Piquerism is sometimes performed post-mortem. It generally refers to the penetration of human flesh, although it is sometimes practiced against animals.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/in-excess/201501/life-knife-edge
12th February 2005
“ Mrs Mitchell denies her son's arrogant attitude is leading to conflict within Polmont Young Offenders' Institution. Speaking of reports that Mitchell has a history of cruelty to animals, she said:
“Nothing about what the tabloid press are saying is true. You have it straight from me, Luke has not cut up animals.
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Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell recruits jail goth gang
“TEENAGE killer Luke Mitchell has set up a goth gang behind bars - with his fire-raiser cellmate as right-hand man.
A former inmate at Polmont Young Offenders' Institution says Mitchell, 19, uses 16-year-old Connor Grewar and his other pals to fight his battles with other inmates.
The source said: "Luke's got a wee gang who wear the same creepy clothes. Connor is top of the pile and he sticks up for Luke and sorts other boys out for him.
Mitchell causes trouble then steps back to watch. He uses the excuse that he doesn't want to be in the paper."
The former prisoner added that Mitchell's obsession with goth culture had grown.
He said: "He spends hours alone in his cell playing Marilyn Manson songs on his guitar.
The insider claimed Mitchell was unpopular with other cons who believe he is given "special treatment".
He added: "Mitchell is never pulled up for damaging his clothes but no one else would get away with it.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-killer-luke-mitchell-977059
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MONSTER Luke Mitchell threw a 25-minute tantrum behind bars because prison officers wouldn't let him speak to his mum.
The boy killer of Jodi Jones cracked and started whining after he was refused a phone call home. A source said: 'He was shouting, bawling and greeting.'
Officers at Polmont Young Offenders Institution grabbed Mitchell and forced him back into his cell.
His mother and father rushed to visit him yesterday as he struggled to adapt to life as a convict. Mitchell showed no emotion on Friday as he was found guilty of strangling and butchering girlfriend Jodi when they were both only 14.
But the killer's coolness deserted him on his first night in Polmont.
New inmates are only allowed to use designated phone numbers for calls to their families.
But after staff got no reply from Mitchell's mother's land line, he demanded that they call her mobile - a number which wasn't on their list.
The officers refused and Mitchell threw a fit.
The Record's source said: 'He was shouting and bawling and refusing to go back in his cell, all the time greetin' about how he wanted to speak to his mammy.
'Officers were reluctant to lay hands on him and there was a bit of a stand-off.
'Mitchell was also refusing to wear the clothes he had been given because he was handed a white T-shirt.
'He said: 'I've never worn a f***ing white T-shirt in my life.' 'After he had kicked off for 25 minutes, the staff got fed up of his whingeing and realised they would have to bring him under control.
'They grabbed him and put him back in his cell.
'Mitchell will have to learn he is locked up now, and isn't the one in control any more.
'No one cares what he wants.' Mitchell threw his tantrum at 7.15 on Saturday evening, hours after arriving at his new home. He spent Friday night at Saughton jail in Edinburgh before being moved.
Yesterday, his mother and father drove to Polmont to comfort him - with a mystery girl friend of Mitchell in tow.
Corinne Mitchell, accused in court of lying for her son to give him an alibi, emerged from her home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in skin-tight jeans, knee-length boots and a black top which exposed her midriff.
With her was a teenage girl who looked like one of Mitchell's Goth pals.
She had long dyed black hair and a lip stud, and wore a striped brown blazer festooned with badges, a black T-shirt and baggy ripped jeans.
The pair got into Mrs Mitchell's J-reg BMW for the 50-minute drive to Polmont. They were joined there by Mitchell's dad, Philip, who made his own way from Livingston, West Lothian, in a white works van.
It was the first time Mitchell's parents had been seen together since the murder inquiry began in June2003.
The couple split in 1999 and divorced in 2002, and their relationship has remained frosty.
Mr and Mrs Mitchell and the girl wandered from the car park to the gates to register for the 1.30pm visit.
They were inside for an hour and 20minutes and emerged laughing and joking. But their mood changed when they spotted journalists outside.
Mr Mitchell followed and berated one photographer, then tried to use his van to stop his ex-wife being photographed as she left. As a matter of routine, Mitchell has been placed on suicide watch at Polmont.
A spokesman said there were 'no reported problems' with him on Saturday night. But an insider said staff would have dealt with the phone call incident without having to notify their superiors.
Mitchell will be detained without limit of time when he is sentenced on February 11. The judge will set the minimum period he will serve.
He is expected to be held at Polmont until he is 21, when he will be moved to an adults' prison.
The killer will spend his first few weeks in Polmont's Argyll Hall, where inmates have to slop out. After assessment and induction, he will join the rest of Polmont's lifers in Iona Hall.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+CRIES+FOR+HIS+MUMMY%3B+MITCHELL%27S+FIRST+NIGHT+BEHIND+BARS+..+and...-a0127525554
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EVIL Luke Mitchell last night began a life sentence for the barbaric murder of his girlfriend, Jodi Jones.
His conviction came 571 days after the 14-year-old, who loved and trusted the monster, was horribly mutilated in an orgy of satanic-style violence.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh took just over six hours to convict Mitchell, who was also only 14 at the time of the murder.
His mother Corinne, 45, and Jodi's mum Judith, 39, were in separate parts of the packed courtroom when the jury foreman delivered the majority verdict.
Judge Lord Nimmo Smith had warned he would not tolerate any outbursts.
But Judith could not hold back. She punched the air and screamed: 'Mrs Mitchell, go to hell.'
Other members of the Jones family shouted: 'Yes'.
Mrs Mitchell began to tremble, her hands clasped and head bowed.
Her son showed absolutely no emotion and stared straight ahead - just as he had done all through the nine-week trial.
Lord Nimmo Smith, his voice quivering with emotion, told Mitchell: 'It lies beyond any skill of mine to look into the black depths of your mind.
'I can only look at what you have done. You have been convicted of a truly evil murder, one of the most appalling crimes that any of us can remember and you would rightly be regarded as wicked.'
The sickening details of Mitchell's bloody attack beggar belief.
First, he punched Jodi several times on the face, then throttled her with his hands.
She might have been slipping into unconsciousness when he then forced her to her knees and cut her throat.
Jodi died instantly from the gaping wound, which almost severed her head.
Mitchell then stripped her and scattered her clothes and spectacles around her, using her trousers to tie her hands behind her back before mutilating her body.
He slit her eyelids, being careful not to damage her staring, lifeless eyes, and slashed her right arm twice.
He then cut her left cheek from ear to mouth and inflicted a similar wound on her left breast.
Mitchell ripped open Jodi's stomach in three places and finally thrust the knife into her mouth, piercing her tonsils.
Lord Nimmo Smith told him: 'I have no idea what led you to do what you did.
'It may have been a desire for notoriety, to achieve something grotesque. I leave that to others to fathom.
'But what you did was to subject Jodi to a horrible death - and one can only hope mercifully quick.
'There must, however, have been a time before she became unconscious when she knew that you, her boyfriend, whom she held in affection and trust, whom she went out joyfully to meet, had turned into a fiend.
'She still had her life ahead of her and you snuffed it out. She was loved by her family and you have left them bereft.
'The horror of what you have done has changed many lives and will last beyond any sentence I can pass upon you.'
The judge deferred sentence for three weeks to obtain reports but told Mitchell he would be detained without limit of time.
When the case returns to court, he will impose the punishment part of the life term - the number of years Mitchell must serve before being eligible for parole.
As Mitchell was being led from the dock, a member of the public shouted: 'Hang him.' Still the teenager didn't react.
Detective Superintendent Craig Dobbie, who led the murder probe, hugged Jodi's mother in the courtroom.
She then left the building, surrounded by 20 members of her family.
The verdict drew an unprecedented level of public interest. Outside the court in the High Street, massive crowds gathered and police were forced to cordon off the court entrance with metal barriers.
When Mrs Mitchell departed, about 90 minutes after the trial ended, she sprinted through a gauntlet of hate.
People screamed abuse at the woman who had insisted that Mitchell was at home with her when Jodi's life was so cruelly snuffed out.
She got into a waiting car and kept her head down as it sped away.
At about the same time at the rear of the building, police outriders escorted the departing prison van taking Mitchell to a young offenders' institution.
The case was the longest--running single murder trial ever held in Scotland and the jury were exposed to nightmarish images of Jodi's butchered body.
She had been going out with Mitchell for three months and the couple used Roan's Dyke path as a short-cut between her home in the Easthouses area of Dalkeith and his in Newbattle, Midlothian.
On the night she was killed, they met as usual at her end of the path and started walking along it towards his home.
At aV-shaped gap in the wall which runs parallel to the path - a point that became crucial to the prosecution case - Mitchell lured Jodi over to the secluded woodland on the other side. It was there, for some reason that remains unknown, that the horrific murder and mutilation took place.
Police have speculated that a row began because Jodi discovered Mitchell was two-timing her.
But Mitchell himself is the only person who knows for sure why he inflicted such a barbaric attack on the girl who loved him.
When he had finished inflicting the gruesome wounds, Mitchell sprinted up the woodland side of the wall to his home, only a few minutes away.
Once there, it's believed his blood-stained clothes, including a Parka jacket, were burned in the back garden.
Although neighbours described seeing a fire that night, Mrs Mitchell denied any knowledge of it.
In the wake of the murder, she was charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice but that allegation was dropped by the Crown before she gave evidence.
The prosecution case hinged on two vital and compelling pieces of evidence.
Some of Jodi's relatives who were searching for her late at night said Mitchell walked straight to the gap in the wall, climbed over and found her body.
He claimed he had walked at least 40 feet past the gap before his dog began clawing at the wall at the spot where Jodi's body lay on the other side.
The relatives' evidence pointed to Mitchell being guilty because only the killer would have known exactly where her body was.
A passing motorist also identified him as being at Jodi's end of the path at the time he claimed to be at home cooking dinner.
Before the jury of eight men and seven women left the court, Lord Nimmo Smith said he felt he had got to know them well during the long trial.
He added: 'I could not have asked for a better jury. We make enormous demands onour citizens summoned for jury service.
'It has been an extremely anxious case and you have given the greatest of attention throughout and that has been obvious to everybody.
'I know there have been some horrible aspects to the case which you must have found disturbing.
'As a mark of the demands which have been made on you I will excuse you from jury service for 10 years.'
Mitchell was also convicted of supplying cannabis but prosecutor Alan Turnbull QC didn't ask for sentencing on that charge.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MRS+MITCHELL..+GO+TO+HELL%3B+Jodi+mum%27s+cry+as+Luke+Mitchell+is+found...-a0127488521
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Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
Ana Azaria
Hi Tam, welcome - thank you for being here.
If you have any questions please feel free to ask
Carolanne Robertson Graham
Related to whom ?
Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy
Stuart Henderson
Carrie Walker How are you finding the group so far?.
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham he is my Dad, we are relations to Jodi
Carrie Walker
Stuart Henderson its quite an eye-opener tbh found out alot about quite a few family members that was even hidden from us especially when we were through there quite alot.
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham we hope so too. We loved Jodi very much ❤️ and hope Luke gets the freedom he deserves ❤️
Ann Rushford
welcome Tam Walker & Carrie Walker 👍 and sorry you've had to find out information this way, cant be nice.. good to have u here xx
Heather Lungley
Welcome Tam👋 It must be very hard for you to take the stance that you have, huge respect to you for doing so. I always say to people that this is about getting justice for Jodi too, she is not forgotten💛
I know you haven’t been in the group long but once you’ve had a chance to look through some of the info, I’d be really interested to hear what has been the biggest revelation/surprise to you, i.e. what have you discovered that is totally different from what you always believed or thought previously?
Ally Harris
Welcome and massive sorry for you and family’s precious loss xx Praying justice will eventually be served and Jodi can peacefully rest known that her boyfriend innocence has been rightfully corrected and praying that the real justice to be served on the one responsible . Hopefully answers will eventually be answered bless you all can’t-even try to imagine how hard this has been on you all x
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You’ve made this up Sandra Lean
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street
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You are a bare faced liar Sandra Lean!
And this book of yours is riddled with bare faced lies, concoctions, disinformation and misinformation
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Not unlike your fraudulent PhD thesis
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You are a bare faced liar Sandra Lean!
And this book of yours is riddled with bare faced lies, concoctions, disinformation and misinformation
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Not unlike your fraudulent PhD thesis
And here you are Sandra Lean https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxV-ekFFCQ exploiting Sharon Indy Sunshine (and anyone who doesn’t know what you are really all about) and blagging your way through over an hour of total BS
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And here you are Sandra Lean https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxV-ekFFCQ exploiting Sharon Indy Sunshine (and anyone who doesn’t know what you are really all about) and blagging your way through over an hour of total BS
Sharon says at around 46:19 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxV-ekFFCQ
“be careful of fake Sandra Lean’s”
Sandra Lean is a fake alright - a total fraud!
And this ‘nothing ever goes anywhere’ nonsense she spouts -
Sandra Lean will lie and twist the truth beyond all recognition and her ‘crazy making’ behaviour is quite something
THE NARCISSIST TWISTS EVERYTHING
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https://momentsinspire.com/2020/11/13/the-narcissist-twists-everything/
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You are a bare faced liar Sandra Lean!
And this book of yours is riddled with bare faced lies, concoctions, disinformation and misinformation
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Not unlike your fraudulent PhD thesis
Corinne Mitchell is another bare faced liar
Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
Listen to how easily Corinne Mitchell’s lies spill from her mouth
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04:34 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4
Liar Corinne Mitchell then goes on to tell James English
‘And at that time a whole lot of them were meeting over in the abbey’
Which is another barefaced lie
David High’s evidence was that at around 6:30pm killer Luke Mitchell phoned him and initially had invited him round to his house
Killer Luke Mitchell then phoned David High back to tell him he would meet him at the abbey
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Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
Look at liar Sandra Lean’s double bind in the above blog - this is yet another of her ‘crazy making’ tactics
Ana Azaria states ‘this is a complicated one’ but in reality it isn’t!
Killer Luke Mitchell, his mother Corinne and Sandra Lean have all lied
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Look at liar Sandra Lean’s double bind in the above blog - this is yet another of her ‘crazy making’ tactics
Ana Azaria states ‘this is a complicated one’ but in reality it isn’t!
Killer Luke Mitchell, his mother Corinne and Sandra Lean have all lied
Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean Doesn’t Tell A True Story & Never Has! (Part 86)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-doesnt-tell-a-true-story-never-has-part-86/
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46:19 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxV-ekFFCQ
Sandra Lean your projections and ‘crazy making’ in this video is something else
Sharon even appears confused by your nonsense
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Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean Doesn’t Tell A True Story & Never Has! (Part 86)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-doesnt-tell-a-true-story-never-has-part-86/
What type of person would buy their 15 year old son (who was meant to be traumatised 🙄) a knife for Christmas when their ‘girlfriend’ had been brutally murdered with one only a few months earlier?
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Hi Nicolas, I would like to ask you a genuine question. I do not mean any offence I’m just curious. For many years you have been commenting on forums and working on websites dedicated to this case and others. You believe the correct person is in jail so why is it you commit so much of your time to this case adding multiple pages of comments, a lot of which seem more related to Sandra rather than Luke and the case itself. I honestly don’t understand why someone would spend all night multiple nights commenting by themselves on an internet forum. It’s almost as if you are trying to bombard the threads with so much nonsense it stops people looking into this site for information. Which is a real shame as I feel it is one of the first websites (away from social media) people would look to find info on the case and now after reading multiple pages of you just asking the same stuff over and over it has to put people off commenting or even reading the threads IMO.
I feel sorry that you feel you have to dedicate so much of your life and time to this when you believe the correct person is in jail. It just seems such a waste. I understand you and Sandra have a history over the Simon Hall case but sorry to say it does look a bit unhealthy the amount of time you spend trying to discredit her, if all you say about her is true she will do a good job of discrediting herself. Are you maybe worried that Sandra may accomplish her goal of getting a review of the case of ‘worse’ Luke getting out. If so I would kind of understand that motive to ensure that doesn’t happen. Or is it just that you are trying to make sure people know exactly who and what you think Sandra and Luke are? As I said I’m genuinely interested why you dedicate a lot of your time and life it seems to this? I totally understand if you don’t want to reply after all it’s non of my business, just wondering.
I’ve been looking into the case around 12 years I think. I always looked in from time to time over the years to see how things were going but seems it’s been all go since Sandra’s book and the documentary also the FB groups. I spend time looking into this case as I want to be convinced the right person is in jail. Still waiting for that to happen.
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Hi Nicolas, I would like to ask you a genuine question. I do not mean any offence I’m just curious. For many years you have been commenting on forums and working on websites dedicated to this case and others. You believe the correct person is in jail so why is it you commit so much of your time to this case adding multiple pages of comments, a lot of which seem more related to Sandra rather than Luke and the case itself. I honestly don’t understand why someone would spend all night multiple nights commenting by themselves on an internet forum. It’s almost as if you are trying to bombard the threads with so much nonsense it stops people looking into this site for information. Which is a real shame as I feel it is one of the first websites (away from social media) people would look to find info on the case and now after reading multiple pages of you just asking the same stuff over and over it has to put people off commenting or even reading the threads IMO.
I feel sorry that you feel you have to dedicate so much of your life and time to this when you believe the correct person is in jail. It just seems such a waste. I understand you and Sandra have a history over the Simon Hall case but sorry to say it does look a bit unhealthy the amount of time you spend trying to discredit her, if all you say about her is true she will do a good job of discrediting herself. Are you maybe worried that Sandra may accomplish her goal of getting a review of the case of ‘worse’ Luke getting out. If so I would kind of understand that motive to ensure that doesn’t happen. Or is it just that you are trying to make sure people know exactly who and what you think Sandra and Luke are? As I said I’m genuinely interested why you dedicate a lot of your time and life it seems to this? I totally understand if you don’t want to reply after all it’s non of my business, just wondering.
I’ve been looking into the case around 12 years I think. I always looked in from time to time over the years to see how things were going but seems it’s been all go since Sandra’s book and the documentary also the FB groups. I spend time looking into this case as I want to be convinced the right person is in jail. Still waiting for that to happen.
Short answer-Innocence fraud. Lot more and many featured than SL - -
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Steph Donald
Ana Azaria Sandra Lean Did anyone find out about Point 4? I'm chatting to someone who insists Jodi was on holiday when her dad died and would really like to know as I don't have Sandra or Scott's books yet. Thanks for answering the other points, what a minefield.
Ana Azaria
Steph Donald According to Scott's book, Jodi ran out of the room (from the adult party), grabbing a large bottle of vodka in protest. It was her brother who found their father the next day - I haven't heard or come across any other information, I've checked both books, and that's the only information I've ever heard from Dr Sandra Lean too, so I'm not sure where the other person has got the info from 🤔
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Killer Luke Mitchell, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & How Easily They Lie To Cause Harm To Other Human Life (Part 138)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/30/liars-abusers-killer-luke-mitchell-scott-forbes-sandra-lean-how-easily-they-lie-to-cause-harm-to-other-human-life-part-138/
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Short answer-Innocence fraud. Lot more and many featured than SL - -
Yeah I did say ‘and others’ but I don’t know the time spent on the others or who they might all be, it’s this case and time spent I’m curious about. What is the drive? The last 9 pages is just Nicholas rambling on. I just think it disrupts the forum and wonder if that’s the point to it all. Only reason I can see someone not related to the case in anyway spending so much time and effort to discredit someone either has a serious grudge and some worrying obsession (which is not what I thought this forum is for and not sure why admin would allow that) or someone that is genuinely worried Sandra may actually get somewhere with Luke’s case. I can kind of understand the latter. Like I said just curious to the motivation for spending so much time and effort, for what? He is in the jail.
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Did killer Luke Mitchell, if he was on his bike, move his other bike before Leonard Kelly rode down the path?
Or was Leonard Kelly in shock following what he heard behind the wall and missed seeing a bike ?
What is your theory regarding bikes on the night? Do you think LM used one and chained it up then returned after 9pm to collect?
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I think for you it’s a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. This isn’t about innocence fraud, you know it and I know it and someone who was truly concerned with Nicholas’s mental well-being wouldn’t be pretending that her behaviour is either normal or rational.
As Bullseye said this must be putting off new members from engaging on the forum and if she truly does want to get information out there that seems to be a very odd strategy.
Either way I think that it’s time for moderation.
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What is your theory regarding bikes on the night? Do you think LM used one and chained it up then returned after 9pm to collect?
Now that would have been handy, wouldn’t it. Problem is that there’s not an ounce of evidence that that happened or are we simply playing the ‘this could have happened’ game?
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Yeah I did say ‘and others’ but I don’t know the time spent on the others or who they might all be, it’s this case and time spent I’m curious about. What is the drive? The last 9 pages is just Nicholas rambling on. I just think it disrupts the forum and wonder if that’s the point to it all. Only reason I can see someone not related to the case in anyway spending so much time and effort to discredit someone either has a serious grudge and some worrying obsession (which is not what I thought this forum is for and not sure why admin would allow that) or someone that is genuinely worried Sandra may actually get somewhere with Luke’s case. I can kind of understand the latter. Like I said just curious to the motivation for spending so much time and effort, for what? He is in the jail.
Are you going to challenge anything she said, or just attack her instead ( a common theme amongst those that support Luke)
For the record, Nic does fantastic work, is very knowledgeable on this case, i'm for one grateful for her effort and drive for exposing the innocent fraud surrounding this case. I understand people want to silent Nic, crying to moderators to control her content, it just goes to show what fantastic work she does.
BTW, i'm still waiting on that cite for medical records, attacks on family members that you claimed a week or so back. Did you not also claim you have been at this for a few years and still never knew whats what, now you're claiming to have been at it for 12 years, interesting *%87
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Are you going to challenge anything she said, or just attack her instead ( a common theme amongst those that support Luke)
For the record, Nic does fantastic work, is very knowledgeable on this case, i'm for one grateful for her effort and drive for exposing the innocent fraud surrounding this case. I understand people want to silent Nic, crying to moderators to control her content, it just goes to show what fantastic work she does.
BTW, i'm still waiting on that cite for medical records, attacks on family members that you claimed a week or so back. Did you not also claim you have been at this for a few years and still never knew whats what, now you're claiming to have been at it for 12 years, interesting *%87
I was not attacking anyone it was a genuine question. She is very knowledgeable on the case I have never said she wasn’t. I don’t know why you are trying to make out otherwise. As I said I was not looking to offend.
I already gave you the cite from the medical records etc I’m not sure what else you expect from me. I’m not going to make something up, or get in the same arguments with you again. It was from Scott and Sandra’s books and interviews.
I have been looking into the case on and off since the wap days not sure what year that was closed down. I have always used the name bullseye so if you were on wap you may or may not remember me. Not sure what that matters unless you are trying to ‘catch me out’ somehow. I have only ever said things as I see them.
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Haven't we all got a little bit of oddity about us Faith/Bullseye, some more so than others - These boring alter ego's however projecting their own personal involvement and grievances upon others, such as Steph clearly being your enemy in whichever form you use at any given time. In the third person mostly.
The predictive tactics to try and prevent others from being listened to, Bullseye playing that alter ego role too. Both, three or even four at points need to be taken that rafter out your own eye/s first.
No one is my enemy, again that projection, that predictive personal involvement you have - Boring. If I see Steph expose lies then good on her, she certainly has been personally involved in innocence fraud, and I sure as hell know the lies and manipulation that are being put out in the name of truth - Nothing near the truth, and that is fact. Pull your big underpants up now and stop being aggrieved when others such as Steph are getting attention. - For isn't it that which truly aggrieves you, your enemy getting attention, attacking her personally in ones many ego's, because she is full on exposing how innocence fraud works having been involved personally with your ego's in it.
As I said to Mr Forbes also, every time he attacks her, he is exposing how his fellow enabler is also rife where innocence fraud is concerned - In ones many alias's
These predictive ego's with their different roles to play, such as a sitter on the fence - Mighty big windows, the transparency could not be more see through. The same ego's, the same tactics that I have read on repeat when studying this case. The feeder, the disrupter, the raise this point and the answerer - Yawn!
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I was not attacking anyone it was a genuine question. She is very knowledgeable on the case I have never said she wasn’t. I don’t know why you are trying to make out otherwise. As I said I was not looking to offend.
I already gave you the cite from the medical records etc I’m not sure what else you expect from me. I’m not going to make something up, or get in the same arguments with you again. It was from Scott and Sandra’s books and interviews.
I have been looking into the case on and off since the wap days not sure what year that was closed down. I have always used the name bullseye so if you were on wap you may or may not remember me. Not sure what that matters unless you are trying to ‘catch me out’ somehow. I have only ever said things as I see them.
I think you are a rather Machiavellian type person.
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I think you are a rather Machiavellian type person.
I’m not sure how you get to that but you are entitled to you opinion.
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Haven't we all got a little bit of oddity about us Faith/Bullseye, some more so than others - These boring alter ego's however projecting their own personal involvement and grievances upon others, such as Steph clearly being your enemy in whichever form you use at any given time. In the third person mostly.
The predictive tactics to try and prevent others from being listened to, Bullseye playing that alter ego role too. Both, three or even four at points need to be taken that rafter out your own eye/s first.
No one is my enemy, again that projection, that predictive personal involvement you have - Boring. If I see Steph expose lies then good on her, she certainly has been personally involved in innocence fraud, and I sure as hell know the lies and manipulation that are being put out in the name of truth - Nothing near the truth, and that is fact. Pull your big underpants up now and stop being aggrieved when others such as Steph are getting attention. - For isn't it that which truly aggrieves you, your enemy getting attention, attacking her personally in ones many ego's, because she is full on exposing how innocence fraud works having been involved personally with your ego's in it.
As I said to Mr Forbes also, every time he attacks her, he is exposing how his fellow enabler is also rife where innocence fraud is concerned - In ones many alias's
These predictive ego's with their different roles to play, such as a sitter on the fence - Mighty big windows, the transparency could not be more see through. The same ego's, the same tactics that I have read on repeat when studying this case. The feeder, the disrupter, the raise this point and the answerer - Yawn!
No tactics, no egos and certainly no enemies. I have also found some of her posts to be very informative. Whoever else may or may not be attacking Nicholas over the years is nothing to do with me. Nobody deserves to be attacked, Sandra or Nicholas included.
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No tactics, no egos and certainly no enemies. I have also found some of her posts to be very informative. Whoever else may or may not be attacking Nicholas over the years is nothing to do with me. Nobody deserves to be attacked, Sandra or Nicholas included.
I think when you have spent the best part of 20 years defending a child killer as SL has, and then whipping up a witch-hunt against the brother of the victim then I think she deserves everything that's coming to her, in a non violent way. I fear it's only a matter of time before one of her disciples takes matters into their own hands.
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I think when you have spent the best part of 20 years defending a child killer as SL has, and then whipping up a witch-hunt against the brother of the victim then I think she deserves everything that's coming to her, in a non violent way. It's fear it's only a matter of time before one of her disciples takes matters into their own hands.
I think she must expect the online attacks but any physical abuse she may have had I don’t think was expected or deserved either.
I agree there are a lot of unstable people out there and naming names as Scott did was a dangerous move I think.
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Haven't we all got a little bit of oddity about us Faith/Bullseye, some more so than others - These boring alter ego's however projecting their own personal involvement and grievances upon others, such as Steph clearly being your enemy in whichever form you use at any given time. In the third person mostly.
The predictive tactics to try and prevent others from being listened to, Bullseye playing that alter ego role too. Both, three or even four at points need to be taken that rafter out your own eye/s first.
No one is my enemy, again that projection, that predictive personal involvement you have - Boring. If I see Steph expose lies then good on her, she certainly has been personally involved in innocence fraud, and I sure as hell know the lies and manipulation that are being put out in the name of truth - Nothing near the truth, and that is fact. Pull your big underpants up now and stop being aggrieved when others such as Steph are getting attention. - For isn't it that which truly aggrieves you, your enemy getting attention, attacking her personally in ones many ego's, because she is full on exposing how innocence fraud works having been involved personally with your ego's in it.
As I said to Mr Forbes also, every time he attacks her, he is exposing how his fellow enabler is also rife where innocence fraud is concerned - In ones many alias's
These predictive ego's with their different roles to play, such as a sitter on the fence - Mighty big windows, the transparency could not be more see through. The same ego's, the same tactics that I have read on repeat when studying this case. The feeder, the disrupter, the raise this point and the answerer - Yawn!
Yawn indeed.
Steph is exposing no one as no one is reading her stream of consciousness. Making claim after claim without context. Asking question after question without waiting, or wanting an answer. She does make some interesting points but they’re so jumbled up with her visceral hatred of Dr Lean and her obvious need for absolution that they unfortunately get lost.
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I think when you have spent the best part of 20 years defending a child killer as SL has, and then whipping up a witch-hunt against the brother.
The whole Jones family have been the target. 2 decades (Narcissist) vendetta.
I fear it's only a matter of time before one of her disciples takes matters into their own hands.
And those that repeat the nonsense, there are a few flying monkeys on here that do so. Will be complacent if such actions take place. It is the reason why i ask for cites for such claims, its baseless claims such as blaming others without sourcing proper evidence, is dangerous.
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I think when you have spent the best part of 20 years defending a child killer as SL has, and then whipping up a witch-hunt against the brother of the victim then I think she deserves everything that's coming to her, in a non violent way. I fear it's only a matter of time before one of her disciples takes matters into their own hands.
Strangely I’ve just been reading about the stream of abuse that Stefan Kiszko and his mother were subjected to after he was convicted of the murder of Lesley Molseed, much of it from Lesley’s family. I’m sure his defenders were also subjected to similar abuse at the time. Three witnesses lied under oath and those lies played a large role in the majority 10-2 verdict.
Of course he was absolutely innocent.
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The whole Jones family have been the target. 2 decades (Narcissist) vendetta.
And those that repeat the nonsense, there are a few flying monkeys on here that do so. Will be complacent if such actions take place. It is the reason why i ask for cites for such claims, its baseless claims such as blaming others without sourcing proper evidence, is dangerous.
I think you mean complicit.
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Strangely I’ve just been reading about the stream of abuse that Stefan Kiszko and his mother were subjected to after he was convicted of the murder of Lesley Molseed, much of it from Lesley’s family. I’m sure his defenders were also subjected to similar abuse at the time. Three witnesses lied under oath and those lies played a large role in the majority 10-2 verdict.
Of course he was absolutely innocent.
Absolutely. SK had learning difficulties and at one point Peter Sutcliffe was in the frame. The GM/West Yorkshire Police were shambolic however LM was convicted on the totality of the presented evidence and all other possible suspects were eliminated at an early stage.
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Absolutely. SK had learning difficulties and at one point Peter Sutcliffe was in the frame. The GM/West Yorkshire Police were shambolic however LM was convicted on the totality of the presented evidence and all other possible suspects were eliminated at an early stage.
A few questions.
Do you believe that L&B’s handling of the crime scene was competent? If not how can we ever know who should or should not have been eliminated?
Where did JF and GD say they were when their motorbike was seen at the v in the wall?
AB, after a flawed process, identified Luke as the youth she’d seen.
An anonymous witness identified Jodi’s brother as the youth she’d seen following Jodi.
Luke’s alibi was provided by 2 family members.
Jodi’s brother’s alibi was provided by 2 family members.
Luke’s brother’s memory was flawed…he said he couldn’t remember if Luke was in the house.
Jodi’s mother’s memory was flawed…she said the her son ate his dinner in his bedroom while her son himself said that he ate it at the table with Jodi.
Luke’s DNA wasn’t found on Jodi.
By transference Jodi’s brother’s DNA would more than probably been on Jodi ( he lived with her) so he certainly couldn’t be eliminated by his DNA alone.
What piece of evidence do you think the police had that eliminated Jodi’s brother as the perpetrator?
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Has [moderated] Sandra Lean and fantasist Scott Forbes been communicating with Tam Walker and Carrie Walker?
Tam Walker
Hello, I'm Tam and something to know about me is I'm related 😳and I can't believe Luke is locked up for this gruesome crime.
Carolanne Robertson Graham
Related to whom ?
Tam Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham first cousin to Judy
Carrie Walker
Carolanne Robertson Graham he is my Dad, we are relations to Jodi
Carrie Walker
Stuart Henderson its quite an eye-opener tbh found out alot about quite a few family members that was even hidden from us especially when we were through there quite alot.
Carrie Walker
Linda Whitson I'm very much in agreement with everything Scott mentions.
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A few questions.
Do you believe that L&B’s handling of the crime scene was competent? If not how can we ever know who should or should not have been eliminated?
Where did JF and GD say they were when their motorbike was seen at the v in the wall?
AB, after a flawed process, identified Luke as the youth she’d seen.
An anonymous witness identified Jodi’s brother as the youth she’d seen following Jodi.
Luke’s alibi was provided by 2 family members.
Jodi’s brother’s alibi was provided by 2 family members.
Luke’s brother’s memory was flawed…he said he couldn’t remember if Luke was in the house.
Jodi’s mother’s memory was flawed…she said the her son ate his dinner in his bedroom while her son himself said that he ate it at the table with Jodi.
Luke’s DNA wasn’t found on Jodi.
By transference Jodi’s brother’s DNA would more than probably been on Jodi ( he lived with her) so he certainly couldn’t be eliminated by his DNA alone.
What piece of evidence do you think the police had that eliminated Jodi’s brother as the perpetrator?
No, L&B Police did not protect the crime scene at the time. They were a small suburban police force not equipped to deal with murders. If they were, they may have found more convincing evidence that would have stopped the trial from taking 9 weeks.
No one saw the moped at the V. It is impossible unless you are on the path and that only person was LK the cyclist who didnt see it.
The vague anonymous person who saw Joe following his sister has never been verified and if it did happen was only on the street and not the path that AB allegedly saw them on. [Name removed] usually met LM at the EH end of the path but on the night she was supposed to meet him in NB she never turned up? Why did he sit/stand at the end of his road only 150m away waiting for her whan he could have stayed at home and given her some of his pie and mashed tatties when she turned up?
Are you now saying LM had dinner with Jodi even though she never turned up?
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The clues that snared a murderer
SMALL but vital clues convinced police that Luke Mitchell was Jodi Jones’ killer, the murder inquiry’s leading investigator said today.
But detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie said the teenager was nothing more than a witness at the beginning of the investigation.
It wasn’t until inconsistencies emerged in his statements that he became a suspect.
He said they tried to eliminate him from their enquiries but "they just couldn’t".
Mr Dobbie, 53, said more than 3000 statements were taken throughout the course of the inquiry.
"We interviewed everyone possible," he said. "We interviewed every male who had been viewed with general suspicion.
"That group included any males known to Jodi - both relatives and friends.
"Luke was one, and, at first, he was no different from the rest of them. We were just trying to eliminate people from that group.
"It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.
"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.
"However, we still had to be aware that Luke was providing a statement voluntarily and that he may have been deeply traumatised at the time."
The next day, Mr Dobbie asked for Mitchell to be interviewed again - this time under police caution.
"We made it clear he was under caution - it was only fair to him to do so. This was when he further entrenched his position.
"This was a few days on after the killing so what he was saying at this stage was probably more accurate.
"There were critical differences in what he was saying about when the body was found. The family were consistent in their evidence.
"They all said Luke never walked past the V in the wall before climbing over and discovering the body. But Luke’s version was completely different.
"He said he walked past the wall a considerable distance and the dog reacted at the point relating to where Jodi’s body was.
"We couldn’t get away from this conflict in versions. We tried to eliminate Luke from our inquiries but we just couldn’t."
The next piece of information which gave detectives cause for suspicion concerned the wood burning stove in the Mitchell’s back garden.
Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way. "We also had reports from neighbours saying they had smelled burning coming from the Mitchell’s back garden that night," said Mr Dobbie.
"Then there was the parka jacket," he added. "We spoke to friends, school teachers and others who knew Mitchell and established he had a parka jacket. The eye witnesses had also made references to a long parka style jacket. His mother said he had never owned one.
"When we searched the house, the parka was missing.
"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."
However, Mr Dobbie did not want to detain Mitchell until the DNA test results had come back from the lab.
"When the results came back there was not one DNA profile which could not be accounted for. Every profile belonged to people who knew Jodi, including Luke. However, what we didn’t have was DNA from someone unknown, which ruled out anyone unknown as the killer."
Mr Dobbie said: "In August we detained Luke for further questioning. We searched his house again and his father’s house but still there was no evidence of the jacket that we believed to have existed before the murder, or of any knife.
"At this stage, unless Luke gave us a confession or took us to the knife, we did not want to arrest him. We did not want to go down that road unless we were 100 per cent confident the circumstantial evidence we had was correct.
"It wasn’t until October that we believed that we had grounds to report Luke to the procurator fiscal for a circumstantial case.
"After carrying out their own investigations, and interviewing witnesses they supported us and, eventually, a warrant was issued for Luke’s arrest in April, 2004."
It was on this day that Mitchell’s house was searched again and Shane Mitchell admitted he had been looking at porn on the internet on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he would not have done this if there was other people in the house - which did not support Luke’s alibi that he was at home with Shane at the time Jodi was killed.
Mr Dobbie said: "When we searched the house we also found a knife pouch with the inscription ‘[Name removed] 1989-2003’ and the numbers 666 written on it and one of Jodi’s favourite quotes. It was like some kind of memorial to Jodi.
"We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect.
"We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously."
But today as Mitchell was found guilty, Lothian and Borders Police’s hunch was proved right, although there was severe criticism of their handling of the investigation during the case.
There was no murder weapon, no blood covered clothes - despite the gruesome nature of the murder - and no damning DNA find.
There was not even convincing eye-witness testimony.
The trial heard that Jodi’s body was left uncovered and exposed to the elements for eight hours after it was first discovered, possibly risking the destruction of vital DNA evidence.
The schoolgirl’s body and items around it had been moved before the forensic team started work.
Even though the knife used to murder Jodi had not been found, the bins in the area were allowed to be emptied before a thorough search could be carried out.
The way police carried out a virtual identity parade, presenting photographs of Luke and other youths to one witness, was also criticised during the trial at the High Court in Edinburgh.
A string of incidents were highlighted by Mitchell’s defence lawyer Donald Findlay, QC, during the 42-day trial.
In one blistering courtroom attack, Mr Findlay described the behaviour of detectives as "a disgrace".
The court heard that the first forensic scientist to examine the crime scene arrived more than eight hours after Jodi's body was found. Not only had her body been left uncovered overnight in the rain, but it had also been moved and items around it moved before Derek Scrimger arrived at the scene.
Under questioning from Mr Findlay, Mr Scrimger was forced to admit that it was "not an ideally managed crime scene from the very start".
The forensic scientist said he believed that a tent should have been erected over the scene.
Mr Scrimger’s work was further delayed because an earlier female colleague had arrived at the scene, but could not get over the wall to get to the body because she had a bad back.
The jury also heard that a pioneering lab using the most sensitive DNA test in Britain failed to identify Mitchell as the
It also emerged that detectives probing the murder broke normal guidelines by not putting Mitchell on an ID parade.
Mr Findlay claimed "a tactical decision" had been taken not to treat the boy fairly.
But today detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie launched a vigorous defence of their detective work.
Mr Dobbie described the crime scene as one of the "finest I have ever seen".
He said that every care was taken to recover every single piece of evidence that was there.
And he defended claims made in court that the scene was not well managed.
Mr Dobbie admitted that the case against Luke Mitchell was purely circumstantial, but insisted Lothian and Borders Police Force had done a great job.
"We have been scrutinised by one of the finest defence lawyers in the country, but not one point has been inadmissible.
"I am open to suggestions as to where we could have made improvements in the investigation, but I can’t think of anything obvious."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
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No, L&B Police did not protect the crime scene at the time.
Wasn’t a tent erected once Derek Scrimger/forensics arrived on scene?
“A forensics team carried out a search of the area, the crime scene was covered with a tent to protect any evidence from heavy rain and at first light the following day, a team of 20 officers began door-to-door inquiries.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20130908/283626757738598
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No, L&B Police did not protect the crime scene at the time. They were a small suburban police force not equipped to deal with murders. If they were, they may have found more convincing evidence that would have stopped the trial from taking 9 weeks.
No one saw the moped at the V. It is impossible unless you are on the path and that only person was LK the cyclist who didnt see it.
The vague anonymous person who saw Joe following his sister has never been verified and if it did happen was only on the street and not the path that AB allegedly saw them on. [Name removed] usually met LM at the EH end of the path but on the night she was supposed to meet him in NB she never turned up? Why did he sit/stand at the end of his road only 150m away waiting for her whan he could have stayed at home and given her some of his pie and mashed tatties when she turned up?
Are you now saying LM had dinner with Jodi even though she never turned up?
They are a broken record on repeat, that is why you cannot have a rational debate with them. You have to answer their questions time after time, same old crap different month, these questions all focused on the OTHERS, and they never ever provide a cite for any of it.
But when it comes to talking about the Mitchell's and their whereabouts and actions, that evening. It truly is quite straight forward, if Luke never murdered Jodi, then where was he? Many hours unaccounted for that mid-afternoon/evening. Where was he and what was he doing?
Lets see them give a timeline from the moment he left school, his route, how he got home etc etc, to the moment he met the search party. That's approx 8/9 hours. If he is innocent, it should be easy.
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No, L&B Police did not protect the crime scene at the time. They were a small suburban police force not equipped to deal with murders. If they were, they may have found more convincing evidence that would have stopped the trial from taking 9 weeks.
No one saw the moped at the V. It is impossible unless you are on the path and that only person was LK the cyclist who didnt see it.
The vague anonymous person who saw Joe following his sister has never been verified and if it did happen was only on the street and not the path that AB allegedly saw them on. [Name removed] usually met LM at the EH end of the path but on the night she was supposed to meet him in NB she never turned up? Why did he sit/stand at the end of his road only 150m away waiting for her whan he could have stayed at home and given her some of his pie and mashed tatties when she turned up?
Are you now saying LM had dinner with Jodi even though she never turned up?
I’m not disputing your reason for the shambolic processing of the crime scene, simply saying that it was shambolic. Further you are right L&B could have found more evidence against Luke but, conversely, a competent handling of the forensics could have put someone else in the dock.
Multiple witnesses claimed they saw the moped at the wall at 5.15. Are you saying that they are all mistaken?
AB would have been a ‘vague, anonymous witness’ too if L&B police hadn’t marked Luke out as the culprit. The two witness were certainly thought credible enough to form an appeal on the information they gave. Further detectives also said in that appeal that this was the first credible sighting of Jodi before her murder.
“ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.”
“ Mr Martin said: "This information is important and it is very helpful that we have two independent witnesses who saw a girl fitting Jodi’s description at a time when we might have expected Jodi to be in that area.”
Remember this was after AB had made her statement so it appears that at that stage, some 16 days after Jodi’s murder, AB’s sighting was not thought important, possibly because Jodi would have been dead by AB’s original timelines.
Your claim about Luke usually meeting Jodi at the Easthouses end of the path isn’t strictly true or why would Janine have said in court that Jodi did walk the path on her own, and that her mum knew that.
No, I’m saying that Jodi’s brother claimed to have dinner with her while Jodi’s mother said not only that Jodi didn’t have any dinner but her son ate his dinner in his room.
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I’m not disputing your reason for the shambolic processing of the crime scene, simply saying that it was shambolic. Further you are right L&B could have found more evidence against Luke but, conversely, a competent handling of the forensics could have put someone else in the dock.
Multiple witnesses claimed they saw the moped at the wall at 5.15. Are you saying that they are all mistaken?
AB would have been a ‘vague, anonymous witness’ too if L&B police hadn’t marked Luke out as the culprit. The two witness were certainly thought credible enough to form an appeal on the information they gave. Further detectives also said in that appeal that this was the first credible sighting of Jodi before her murder.
“ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.”
“ Mr Martin said: "This information is important and it is very helpful that we have two independent witnesses who saw a girl fitting Jodi’s description at a time when we might have expected Jodi to be in that area.”
Remember this was after AB had made her statement so it appears that at that stage, some 16 days after Jodi’s murder, AB’s sighting was not thought important, possibly because Jodi would have been dead by AB’s original timelines.
Your claim about Luke usually meeting Jodi at the Easthouses end of the path isn’t strictly true or why would Janine have said in court that Jodi did walk the path on her own, and that her mum knew that.
No, I’m saying that Jodi’s brother claimed to have dinner with her while Jodi’s mother said not only that Jodi didn’t have any dinner but her son ate his dinner in his room.
Just quickly and I will get back to the other points tomorrow. Who saw the moped at the V? It's impossible to see unless you're on the path and the only person was LK. So there were no multiple witnesses, not even one. Even SL says the cyclist didn't see the moped.
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They are a broken record on repeat, that is why you cannot have a rational debate with them. You have to answer their questions time after time, same old crap different month, these questions all focused on the OTHERS, and they never ever provide a cite for any of it.
But when it comes to talking about the Mitchell's and their whereabouts and actions, that evening. It truly is quite straight forward, if Luke never murdered Jodi, then where was he? Many hours unaccounted for that mid-afternoon/evening. Where was he and what was he doing?
Lets see them give a timeline from the moment he left school, his route, how he got home etc etc, to the moment he met the search party. That's approx 8/9 hours. If he is innocent, it should be easy.
“ Mr [Name removed] said he had looked at a clock when he got into Mr [Name removed]’s house, and it said a quarter to five. It had been wrong. Mr Findlay continued: "You and [Name removed] may have been in the area at or about the time that Jodi may have been attacked, yet you saw nothing and heard nothing?" Mr [Name removed] answered: "No."
Mr Findlay: "You would have the jury believe you know nothing?"
Mr [Name removed]: "Yes."
The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences". He said he did not know why he had not gone to the police for several days, nor told any of Jodi’s family he had been on the path that evening.”
https://www.scotsman.com/news/ex-drug-dealer-denies-he-was-behind-murder-cousin-jodi-2509760
It would appear that one of the employees from the tool hire saw the bike against the wall at 5.15. Perhaps on their way home? Multiple witnesses saw the bike around the path ( apologies I worded that rather clumsily).
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Just quickly and I will get back to the other points tomorrow. Who saw the moped at the V? It's impossible to see unless you're on the path and the only person was LK. So there were no multiple witnesses, not even one. Even SL says the cyclist didn't see the moped.
No idea but JF himself in court agreed that they had stopped the moped at the break in the wall ( see previous post).
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
Why doesn’t [moderated] Sandra Lean detail where exactly, and by who exactly, the alleged following statements originate from and why does she choose to take them out of context?
“like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab”
“It's a mess”
“stomping up and down”
Were the above statements written by a police officer and if so are there transcripts of any recordings of Alice Walker saying these things?
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“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/
Has a copy of the transcript of prosecutions closing speech been made available/published?
And if not why not?
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in ,
If charlatan Sandra Lean thought someone else was responsible for killer Luke Mitchell’s murder why would she be stating this
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw
More bare faced lies
“Steven climbed over the wall to join Mitchell who pointed and said: 'Down there, 5ft out from the wall.”
“Mr Kelly said he climbed over the wall to join Mr Mitchell, who pointed down the inside of the wall and said: "Down there, 5ft out from the wall."
The witness said he thought he could "see something", believing it at first to be a log.
Prosecuting advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC asked: "Did you come to realise there was a body there?"
Mr Kelly replied: "When I got a bit closer, yes."
The witness paused, before adding that he then "peered round a tree".
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“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/
What date did Shane Mitchell apply for the injunction against his mother Corinne Mitchell as stated by true crime natters here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU ?
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
If this were true Sandra ( I don’t believe you btw ) why did you not comment on this in your 1st discredited book No Smoke or on one of the forums you posted on under various guises - including ‘Sandra L’ - over all these years
Why has it taken you well over a decade to suggest this Sandra?
If Alice Walker did say the things you claim, guilty killer Luke Mitchell would have told the police, his mother Corinne Mitchell and you way back when
There’s no mention of ‘it’s a mess’ ‘it’s a mess’ by Alice Walker in No Smoke
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Thora Allan
Why did Findlay not successfully tear apart the eye witness testimony?
It was one of the 3 central planks of the case.
Or was it the jury just believing AB despite not being able to identify him in court?
Sandra Lean
He actually did a pretty good job with the eyewitness testimony, but the jury didn't seem to grasp the significance of it
Thora Allan
Sandra Lean I didn’t think that you could get much better than the eyewitnesses failing to identify the accused as the person she saw… how the jury didn’t grasp that is beyond me.
Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think we all thought it was over at that point. The other two "eyewitnesses" were torn to shreds by DF - the fact that they made their ID's from newspaper pictures the police brought them, the fact that they admitted knowing they weren't supposed to discuss those with each other, but did anyway, the ridiculous story that appeared for the first time at court about the male pushing back his hair so that one of them could see one of his eyes in a rearview mirror - I don't know how that whole scenario wasn't literally laughed out of court
Thora Allan
Sandra Lean I don’t know either. I obviously wasn’t there but had I been that would have cast real doubt in my mind as a juror.
Did DF create a timeline of the sightings of Luke to show that the eyewitnesses testimony didn’t stack up??
Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think it goes to show how well the jury had been "primed" by the relentless media coverage..
Gouger Sandra Lean did not attend Killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial, doesn’t know all the evidence and facts of the case - yet claims ‘I think we all thought it was over at that point’
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Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think it goes to show how well the jury had been "primed" by the relentless media coverage..
More projections Sandra 🙄
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Thora Allan
Why did Findlay not successfully tear apart the eye witness testimony?
It was one of the 3 central planks of the case.
Or was it the jury just believing AB despite not being able to identify him in court?
Sandra Lean
He actually did a pretty good job with the eyewitness testimony, but the jury didn't seem to grasp the significance of it
Thora Allan
Sandra Lean I didn’t think that you could get much better than the eyewitnesses failing to identify the accused as the person she saw… how the jury didn’t grasp that is beyond me.
Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think we all thought it was over at that point. The other two "eyewitnesses" were torn to shreds by DF - the fact that they made their ID's from newspaper pictures the police brought them, the fact that they admitted knowing they weren't supposed to discuss those with each other, but did anyway, the ridiculous story that appeared for the first time at court about the male pushing back his hair so that one of them could see one of his eyes in a rearview mirror - I don't know how that whole scenario wasn't literally laughed out of court
Thora Allan
Sandra Lean I don’t know either. I obviously wasn’t there but had I been that would have cast real doubt in my mind as a juror.
Did DF create a timeline of the sightings of Luke to show that the eyewitnesses testimony didn’t stack up??
Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think it goes to show how well the jury had been "primed" by the relentless media coverage..
Gouger Sandra Lean did not attend Killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial, doesn’t know all the evidence and facts of the case - yet claims ‘I think we all thought it was over at that point’
Was SL at any days in court? Was she just there for the appeals.
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Kirk Mulholland
Regarding the socks was it possibly Jodi's granny who put them back on her? Just a thought as it seems like something a Granny would possibly do in that situation. Was she questioned on what her actions were apart from cradling Jodi?
Ana Azaria
Kirk Mulholland I'm not sure if she was asked that, it wasn't mentioned by any members of the search party that this had happened, but good question
Kirk Mulholland
Ana Azaria Hi Ana, was just something that's been on my mind for a while that I've never yet looked looked for more info on.
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
What did killer Luke Mitchell say about the socks?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke
“If, as the prosecution claimed, Luke left to meet Jodi in response to texts they‟d exchanged earlier (the last one being at 4.38pm), we have to accept that Luke was at the end of his street when these texts were exchanged, he left immediately, took a very brisk walk up the path, covering the distance in the minimum possible time, and arrived to meet Jodi with just one minute to spare within the "identification" window produced by Andrina Bryson‟s sighting.
Sandra Lean
Push bikes featured with an almost ridiculous amount of significance in the early investigation
Killer Luke Mitchell could have used his other push bike as opposed to a ‘very brisk walk’
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
“No-one positively identified Luke or Jodi between 4.50pm and 5.45pm”
*&^^&
“THREE teenage pals tell the court they spotted Mitchell on a road which passes the entrance to the path where Jodi died.
Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston and Grant Elliot all say they saw him after Jodi is said to have left her home.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
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Was SL at any days in court? Was she just there for the appeals.
If gouger Sandra Lean had attended any of killer Luke Mitchell’s trial she would have known a lot more about the facts and evidence against killer Luke Mitchell and may not not have got so much wrong in her books
“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“According to Alan Turnbull QC, there were three things that proved that Luke was the killer:
The "identification" of him at the Easthouses end of the path with Jodi at around 5pm.
The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm.
The testimony of the other three members of the search party.
These three things were "central" to the prosecution‟s case, he claimed.
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
Gouger Sandra Lean in 2023 👆🏽
Yet this 👇 is what she claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke re Alice Walker and ‘a mess’
“Alice Walker, Jodi‟s grandmother, who was reported as shaking, screaming, and "a mess" following the discovery of the body
Copy of chapter on killer Luke Mitchell from con artist Sandra Lean’s No Smoke
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it” that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
Why doesn’t [moderated] Sandra Lean detail where exactly, and by who exactly, the alleged following statements originate from and why does she choose to take them out of context?
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‘What is “it”?’ - More concoctions and manipulation by toxic abuser Sandra Lean
Yet this 👇 is what she claimed in her 1st discredited book No Smoke re Alice Walker and ‘a mess’
“Alice Walker, Jodi‟s grandmother, who was reported as shaking, screaming, and "a mess" following the discovery of the body
Copy of chapter on killer Luke Mitchell from con artist Sandra Lean’s No Smoke
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
“No one trashes your name, more than someone who is afraid you will tell the truth’ & the ‘one typo’ lie”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
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Has [moderated] Sandra Lean and fantasist Scott Forbes been communicating with Tam Walker and Carrie Walker?
Carrie Walker
Finally got enough courage to watch murder in a small town. Been putting it off for so long as knew there would be the details of what happened to Jodi.
Since watching it my heart has been so broken for Lukes Mum, no one should have to live like she is now especially when in reality she lost her child too 💔
Will be watching the podcasts tonight after work.
Michael Taylor
Carrie. Are you family by any chance?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor yes I am.
Michael Walker
Carrie Walker I'm guessing you believe in Luke's innocence?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor isn't that why everyone is here?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor been here a few weeks and was very anxious anyone finding out but spoke privately with admin and feel abit at ease. Just didn't want my inbox filling up with a angry mob 🙈.
Glad to be here though. 🩷
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
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Why doesn’t [moderated] Sandra Lean detail where exactly, and by who exactly, the alleged following statements originate from and why does she choose to take them out of context?
Some context
“Janine explained her gran Alice Walker then climbed over.
She went on: "I heard my grandmother scream and I started screaming. I assumed that Jodi was there.
"My gran came back over to the path. She was a mess. She said she didn't know if it was Jodi but she was shocked.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+%27Only+time+that+Luke+showed+emotion+after...-a0125974641
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
[/b]Sandra Lean[/b]
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
Your bare faced lies are “disturbing and disrespectful” Sandra Lean
Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean Doesn’t Tell A True Story & Never Has! (Part 86)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-lean-doesnt-tell-a-true-story-never-has-part-86/
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Carrie Walker
Finally got enough courage to watch murder in a small town. Been putting it off for so long as knew there would be the details of what happened to Jodi.
Since watching it my heart has been so broken for Lukes Mum, no one should have to live like she is now especially when in reality she lost her child too 💔
Will be watching the podcasts tonight after work.
Michael Taylor
Carrie. Are you family by any chance?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor yes I am.
Michael Walker
Carrie Walker I'm guessing you believe in Luke's innocence?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor isn't that why everyone is here?
Carrie Walker
Michael Taylor been here a few weeks and was very anxious anyone finding out but spoke privately with admin and feel abit at ease. Just didn't want my inbox filling up with a angry mob 🙈.
Glad to be here though. 🩷
Carrie Walker
Lorraine Murdoch Thank you 🩷
From start to finish the whole process was a mess. It's also terrifying to think that those capable of such a horrific crime are still free.
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
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Dani Justice
Watched a second time and seeing Scott talk of really disturbing details and truths you can see him being brave and not becoming emosh and i cant even speak about it at times without becoming upset and overwhelemed. Two very brave souls in Scott and Sandra always clear and loud but truth :) x
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Liar Corinne Mitchell even says the reason her killer son Luke Mitchell left at 5:40pm was ‘to sit at the end of our street’
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But killer Luke Mitchell never sat at the end of Newbattle abbey crescent and was never seen sitting in Newbattle abbey crescent
This narrative has been concocted - it never happened
Corinne Mitchell has added on 10 minutes since May 2010
“Luke was in the house between 5 and 5.30 ....eating his dinner. And here lies the problem they say we are lying”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s40.html
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What innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean stated/states in her 1st discredited book No Smoke (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/ ) is
[color=blue]“Other witnesses identified a youth "very like" Luke at the Newbattle end of the path at around 6pm, yet others still described a "mystery man" following Jodi towards the Easthouses entrance to the path.
Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later. [/color]
Who witnessed killer Luke Mitchell ‘sitting on a wall at the end of his street’?
Corinne Mitchell also had her killer son Luke Mitchell sitting on a wall in May 2010
“The wall Luke was sitting on is at the end of Newbattle Abbey Crescent/Newbattle Road”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s10.html
“Yes, thats the wall Luke was sitting on”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s20.html
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Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.
Kerry Tremble Kevan
Ana Azaria that's an absolute disgrace neither points questioned or more scrutinised!
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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’
Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm
Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.
Jodi Jones was late!
Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker
“AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet”
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What is wrong with these people
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Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.
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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’
Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm
Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.
Jodi Jones was late!
Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker
What is wrong with these people
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John [Name removed] wasn’t referring to Judith calling Yvonne Walker after 10pm but Alice Walker.
Judith’s first call to Jodi’s gran was after her phone-call to Luke at 10.38pm.
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Ana Azaria
I haven't come across anything that mentions DF questioning JF on this, but JF said a few things that went unquestioned - or couldn't have been possible. He said that while he was at YW's house, AW rang just after 10pm. He remembered that it was after 10pm, because he and AW were watching the 10 o'clock news at the time. He said that AW was pressing YW, looking for Jodi, to the point that he had to take the phone from AW and reassure her. But - AW didn't know that Juj was missing until 10.44pm when Juj called her after finding out that Jodi had not been with Luke, and the ten o'clock news finished at 10.30pm. AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet. It's possible he made a mistake but this was never looked at either, to my knowledge.
Kerry Tremble Kevan
Ana Azaria that's an absolute disgrace neither points questioned or more scrutinised!
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I presume Ana meant Judith Jones when she wrote ‘AW rang just after 10pm’
Jodi Jones curfew was 10:00pm
Her mother phoning Alice Walker ‘just after 10pm’ to check to see if her daughter was there goes to show yet more of Sandra Lean’s malicious lies and BS.
Jodi Jones was late!
Judith Jones was concerned so telephoned Alice Walker
“AW shouldn't have known that Jodi was missing yet”
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What is wrong with these people
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A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne
But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw
More bare faced lies
“Steven climbed over the wall to join Mitchell who pointed and said: 'Down there, 5ft out from the wall.”
“Mr Kelly said he climbed over the wall to join Mr Mitchell, who pointed down the inside of the wall and said: "Down there, 5ft out from the wall."
The witness said he thought he could "see something", believing it at first to be a log.
Prosecuting advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC asked: "Did you come to realise there was a body there?"
Mr Kelly replied: "When I got a bit closer, yes."
The witness paused, before adding that he then "peered round a tree".
Killer Luke Mitchell was also still over the wall when Alive Walker went over
”Luke went over first and said there was something here, " she (Alice Walker) said.
Mrs Walker told the court that Mr Kelly was next over the wall and she thought he was being sick. "He came back in a state, " she said.
The grandmother added: "I tried to climb across but I couldn't make it. Steven came and helped me. Luke helped me down on the other side
She said as they made their way along the other side of the wall she saw a "light-coloured shape"which turned out to be Jodi's body."
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A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne
But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’
Indeed - AW from statements, and highlighted before around this fiasco, said clearly of calling her granddaughter YW most nights around 10pm. That after speaking with JuJ's, after the police being called, she AGAIN called YW, which is the call referred re JF and so forth.
Lets just highlight something else, forensic reports in a mess = Room to manipulate.
Phone logs incomplete and missing = Room to manipulate.
Statements incomplete, not included = Room to manipulate.
Statements, the application of some must be missing, phone logs incomplete and can't match statements to them - Forensic reports in a mess, can't match the correct sample to the correct report. - Statements, they say this, but there is nothing in the defence papers to back up what is being said, as the defence papers do NOT include everything.
JF said he saw the search party leave the house of AW just after speaking with YW on the phone. Applied by Lean, that they 'walked past YW's whilst heading directly to the path without stopping to check if Jodi was there, why not? Above, that YW had just been spoken to, called, as were others to make those checks. Applied again, that there are incomplete records so it would "appear" no one was called - Manipulated to hell.
YW, as Lean knows fine well, stays in a top flat, the street this is situated on looks down to the junction of the street that AW stays on. The house of AW sits on the junction between both streets, her house seen from the top floor flat where YW stays. She knew why if he saw them leave, then reason why he could see them. - Manipulated to hell. SF's does the exact same, he actually has the search trio walking around 3mls - Off the scale of all things rational.
So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.
The aunts, the statements say that AW had called her eldest daughter, to Lean, and no idea how they got to the path, how, why or when! It says why in the statements, but again, applies that the phone logs do not match statements. - Where anyone with the tiniest bit of actual sense would know the following. - There was no telepathy, there was a defence who carried out vital precognitions, there was a defence who had access to far more than these enablers have ever had. Not included in defence papers is simply that, not included. But above all, IF this is even true at all, because and again, it is so hard to grasp actual truth at any time when you know these people are manipulating, wilfully misleading, lying by omission, and on repeat blatantly lying.
For years it was put out that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ's - She was lying and I pulled her up for lying, again. She said that she had not seen the physical copy of his fathers statement. I pointed out she had their statements, she in turn said, but he was not alibied anyway until statement X!
Back to the above, when pointed out she was lying about the search trio walking past YW's she said, it does not matter, that the only thing that mattered was her point, which was, the house was close, they should have went there to check. To the above again, the phone calls, they HAD checked!
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Indeed - AW from statements, and highlighted before around this fiasco, said clearly of calling her granddaughter YW most nights around 10pm.
Sandra Lean also claimed she does not have all the evidence around telephone calls/text
See copy of Facebook post by Ana Azalia here
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Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
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Lets just highlight something else, forensic reports in a mess = Room to manipulate.
‘Room to manipulate’? - she won’t be able to manipulate the forensic reports for the SCCRC/or any appeal
And the forensic reports won’t have been made and passed on to the police/lawyers ‘in a mess’
Plus the lawyers involved in the trial would have needed to have understood the contents contained in each and every report (to the best of their ability) - Which we know Sandra Lean did not understand from her posts on the Bamber forum, and elsewhere
And if the ‘forensic reports were in a mess’ Donald Findlay (or someone else) would have highlighted this during the trial - this did not happen
This - ‘forensic reports in a mess’ - reads/sounds like yet more of Sandra Lean’s projections
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JF said he saw the search party leave the house of AW just after speaking with YW on the phone. Applied by Lean, that they 'walked past YW's whilst heading directly to the path without stopping to check if Jodi was there, why not? Above, that YW had just been spoken to, called, as were others to make those checks. Applied again, that there are incomplete records so it would "appear" no one was called - Manipulated to hell.
YW, as Lean knows fine well, stays in a top flat, the street this is situated on looks down to the junction of the street that AW stays on. The house of AW sits on the junction between both streets, her house seen from the top floor flat where YW stays. She knew why if he saw them leave, then reason why he could see them. - Manipulated to hell. SF's does the exact same, he actually has the search trio walking around 3mls - Off the scale of all things rational.
So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.
There are a phenomenal amount of times Sandra Lean has taken things out of context (which is a classic innocence fraud tactic)
Like in her video here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA for example, where she appears to attempt to gaslight Janine Jones with her condescending comments 🙄 about Janine’s alleged comment when being asked why the ‘search trio’ went to the path
‘we just did’
This 👆🏽is out of context
Alice Walker wanted to search the path because she ‘knew it had been a meeting point between Jodi and Mr Mitchell’.
Part of Alice Walker’s evidence was;
'The only place I could think to go was the path because that was the last place Jodi was going
‘As we were walking down the path, Judith (Jodi's mum) either texted or phoned to say Luke was at the other end of the path and was going to meet up with us.’
It’s obvious from the above there had been previous communication between Judith Jones and her mother Alice Walker
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The aunts, the statements say that AW had called her eldest daughter, to Lean, and no idea how they got to the path, how, why or when! It says why in the statements, but again, applies that the phone logs do not match statements. - Where anyone with the tiniest bit of actual sense would know the following. - There was no telepathy, there was a defence who carried out vital precognitions, there was a defence who had access to far more than these enablers have ever had. Not included in defence papers is simply that, not included. But above all, IF this is even true at all, because and again, it is so hard to grasp actual truth at any time when you know these people are manipulating, wilfully misleading, lying by omission, and on repeat blatantly lying.
Sandra Lean
Why so much focus on push bikes?
Well, it turns out that JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone, just before 11pm, that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike. What he actually said was he was coming up with his dog.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html?PHPSESSID=fmp59opptqm0po3vldifbhb686#msg386893
Killer Luke Mitchell is a gaslighter
I’m of the view he initially did tell Judith Jones he was ‘on his bike’ and strongly suspect Sandra has again taken what Judith told police out of context
He deleted his entire phone history - which included the text message from Judith which said,
"2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke".
Killer Luke Mitchell pathologically lied to the police (including not telling them about his relationship with Kimberly Thompson - among numerous other things) and if that text hadn’t been retrieved by David Morris it’s very probable he (killer Luke) would have denied its contents
‘just before 11pm’ could apply to any one of the phone calls between Judith Jones and the killer before he met with the ‘search trio’
I think he slipped up when he first told Judith he was ‘on his bike’
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For years it was put out that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ's - She was lying and I pulled her up for lying, again. She said that she had not seen the physical copy of his fathers statement. I pointed out she had their statements, she in turn said, but he was not alibied anyway until statement X!
Back to the above, when pointed out she was lying about the search trio walking past YW's she said, it does not matter, that the only thing that mattered was her point, which was, the house was close, they should have went there to check. To the above again, the phone calls, they HAD checked!
Sandra Lean and her ‘crazy making’ behaviour go hand in hand
Crazy-Making An emotional abuser's tool
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/traversing-the-inner-terrain/201910/crazy-making
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
A couple of things I found interesting - the gran described what she saw as "like a lump of meat on a butcher's slab" and said that, after she came back over the wall she was "stomping up and down" saying, over and over again, "It's a mess. It's a mess."
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland That was the first thing that came into my mind when I read it. Also, "It's a mess" - she didn't even refer to Jodi by name, or as "the bairn" or any term of endearment whatsoever. It's a mess. What is the "it" that was a mess? I cannot bring myself to believe she was actually referring to Jodi as "it," which leaves me wondering what the "it" does refer to?
I know none of us could say what we would do in those circumstances, but those two phrases really stand out to me as both disturbing and deeply disrespectful.
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The above should be ringing alarms bells and waking people up to the level of depravity involved in Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud
Alice Walker 👇
“I tried to climb across but I couldn't make it. Steven came and helped me. Luke helped me down on the other side."
She said as they made their way along the other side of the wall she saw a "light-coloured shape"which turned out to be Jodi's body.
Jodi was lying face-up with her eyes open and had a mark on her neck.
Mrs Walker said: "I can't remember screaming.
"I did go closer up to Jodi and touched her forehead and I went back to the wall again, " she added.
Janine Jones 👇
‘She went on: "I heard my grandmother scream and I started screaming. I assumed that Jodi was there.
"My gran came back over to the path. She was a mess. She said she didn't know if it was Jodi but she was shocked.
"The only time Luke showed any emotion was when he was on the phone talking to the police and we were shouting at him. He then started to raise his voice."
Based on Janine Jones statements above it appears Alice Walker was quite obviously in extreme shock
Janine Jones indicated that her grandmother ‘didn’t know if it was Jodi’
There is nothing in any media reports explaining whether or not this was explored in any more details as far as I can tell
And it’s very possible that Alice Walker didn’t want to upset her granddaughter Janine by confirming with her it was Jodi
But if, in Alice Walkers extremely shocked state, it hadn’t registered with her it was her beloved granddaughter Jodi - the fact she touched this young child’s forehead is telling
And far removed from anything as sick and twisted, cruel and callous Sandra Lean has attempted to portray Alice Walker to have been
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According to liar Sandra Lean they only use initials on their Facebook group so as not to do to others what was done to actual, factual psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell
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Jacqueline Johnston
Mandy Deighan Scott Forbes in the last podcast with James English addresses the awnser to those questions. It was a sustained & frenzied attack by someone very disturbed. Medical records were sent to Lukes original defence team, which had not been requested. Therefore never came up in the original trial.The medical records relate to The person referred to as stocky man & named as the person that Scott Forbes named as who he believes murdered Jodie. He goes into detail of the information contained in these medical records, very disturbing. He had been detained previously under the mental health act, for violence against his mother Jodie & her sister. He was a very dangerous & violent individual. All this was known to the police at the time. Their was never any suggestion that Luke nor any of his family had any mental health Issues prior to the time of Jodies murder.
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There was (and is) a wealth of evidence that Luke Mitchell was (and is) a dangerous and violent psychopath
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Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times
Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;
George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯
Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875
https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/
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Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥
Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!
Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx
Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia
Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?
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A text or call from Judith obviously prompted Alice to contact Yvonne
But Sandra Lean won’t have included ALL the facts needed for the sequence to ‘make sense’
AW called Yvonne just after 10pm ( when Jodi was not known to be missing ) not Judith as you seemed to indicate.
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Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times
Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;
George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯
Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875
https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/
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Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥
Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!
Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx
Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia
Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?
Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.
Rapping on the RD path while bragging about stabbing people in his other videos. You couldnae make it up. Even Forbes wouldnt stoop this low.
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Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.
Rapping on the RD path while bragging about stabbing people in his other videos. You couldnae make it up. Even Forbes wouldnt stoop this low.
Can't understand a bloody word, thank god... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKrQDxuC85o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKrQDxuC85o)
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Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult.
According to liar Sandra Lean they only use initials on their Facebook group so as not to do to others what was done to actual, factual psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell
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Jacqueline Johnston
Mandy Deighan Scott Forbes in the last podcast with James English addresses the awnser to those questions. It was a sustained & frenzied attack by someone very disturbed. Medical records were sent to Lukes original defence team, which had not been requested. Therefore never came up in the original trial.The medical records relate to The person referred to as stocky man & named as the person that Scott Forbes named as who he believes murdered Jodie. He goes into detail of the information contained in these medical records, very disturbing. He had been detained previously under the mental health act, for violence against his mother Jodie & her sister. He was a very dangerous & violent individual. All this was known to the police at the time. Their was never any suggestion that Luke nor any of his family had any mental health Issues prior to the time of Jodies murder.
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Wouldn’t that make him another potential killer according to people like Jacqueline Johnston 🙄
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Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.
He sounds like another dangerous psychopath
Has he also been wrongly diagnosed - I wouldn’t be surprised ?!
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Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times
Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;
George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯
Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875
https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/
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Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥
Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!
Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx
Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia
Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?
Inka Oldmoot
This is smart- the phonetics, rhyming in dialect is excellent .I think it should be put onto CD format and distributed to various houses in Dalkeith. Who wants to stick it through the letterbox? Local radio? All the DAB and Internet stations - send them a copy.
I’ll have to listen a few more times. I’ve got a lot of favourite lines.
“If Luke never killed Jodi then who did
Who could be that sick to do that to a kid?”
Wind all the car windows down
Get it playing round the town.
Ana Azaria
Inka Oldmoot I like 'Luke was the only one with long hair out them all, and only his picture's background had a white wall'...
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Even though the psycho killer didn’t have long hair at the time
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Sharon Indy Sunshine (today)
Meet your admin team: [Name removed]&LM Who got Justice?, Matt Elliott, Nicola Brennan, Ana Azaria, Rachel Roll, Freddie Gren, Sharon Indy Sunshine, Sandra Lean, Sharon Young
Looks like the ‘team’ has shrunk
And why does Sharon count herself more than once?
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Yes that's him. Another armed robber/ex-con/homophobe that's been welcomed into their cult. This thug raps/boasts about stabbing people and wanting to emulate Dale Creagan & Raoul Moat and kill cops.
Rapping on the RD path while bragging about stabbing people in his other videos. You couldnae make it up. Even Forbes wouldnt stoop this low.
He couldn’t get any lower
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Heather Cuthbertson
Sandra Lean grr. Does luke have any thoughts on who done this to jodie? Got to remember he would have been grieving for a girlfriend whilst getting all this thrown at him d
Sandra Lean
Heather Cuthbertson He has his thoughts but, like me, he wouldn't point the finger, because to do that to someone else would just be doing what was done to him. Also, it could create a situation where the real killer might never be brought to trial, because they would be able to claim they couldn't have a "fair" trial after being publicly accused - the irony!!!
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Margery Millar
A family member shouted something out in court , what was it ?
Sandra Lean
Mrs Mitchell rot in Hell (or Go to hell)
Margery Millar
Sandra Lean ok ,thanks I thought there was more said, so cruel ☹️
Sandra Lean
Margery Millar Oh, there were lots of shouts of "Hang the B*****" but I don't know who they came from. The one above was directly from a family member.
What has grifter Sandra Lean based her above statement on ?
Who were these ‘lots’ in court Sandra who you are claiming shouted ‘hang the b******?
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Dale Knowles
Sandra Lean a understand what you mean he’s definitely not done it what a meant to say was do you think justice will be served for Jodi. a think luke will be a free man in the next 5 years in my opinion but a don’t think they will ever get anyone who done it a think police need to be held accountable for what they have did too both Luke and Jodi 
Sandra Lean
Dale Knowles Do I think justice will be served for Jodi? I don't know, Dale. My job was never to find out who killed Jodi, it was to tell the truth about what was NOT done to find her killer. It's taken 20 years to get this far. I'm not a detective, I'm not privy to what the police and others have on file about who might have done this and, realistically, I don't have another 20 years left to make sure they pursue that - I'd be 80 years old by then. The best I can do is hand the baton, for those who have the commitment an energy to ensure Jodi's killer is finally caught, to a new generation.
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Around 15 hours ago someone called Danny Kelly posted on the Facebook group Sandra Lean is the admin on with a link to some rap he’s written. The Facebook post has been commented on 68 times
Over on one of the other Facebook groups George Fergie has posted the following;
George Fergie
Guys Danny kelly rapper has dropped a song about Luke and Jodi
It appears maybe a bit offensive to some so we won’t post it on here but my own account is open feel free to hit my name and watch the video on my timeline 👍💯
Don’t know if this is the same Danny/Daniel Kelly https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/man-sentenced-18-months-following-5370875
https://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/13940156.teenage-knife-thug-and-his-friend-held-up-two-stores/
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Rachel Roll
Danny Kelly Wow! Well done packing so much info into this and keeping the flow! 👊🔥
Ana Azaria
Your rhyming skills are impressive - and you clearly know your facts. Top job!
Jacqueline Johnston
Danny Kelly absolutely fantastic! This is the way to move forward! I'll be sharing this everywhere ... what a talent xxxx
Allegedly Danny Kelly has schizophrenia
Isn’t this what these hypocrites have alleged [Name removed]’s had?
Sandra Lean
Ross Cowan I agree, Ross. This is where it all gets dangerous and why I've been warning for years, we can't do to anyone else what was done to the Mitchell family. I'm OK with facts, even if they are less than favourable to certain people - those are the questions that need to be answering. But it's a massive leap from there to the sorts of things I've been seeing recently.
I have no control over what people say, I can only ask, again and again, that people think very carefully about whether the claims they are making are supported in any way by actual, proven facts.
Did someone from the Facebook group delete the link to true crime natters video https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU ?
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Sandra Lean
I'm OK with facts,
I can only ask, again and again, that people think very carefully about whether the claims they are making are supported in any way by actual, proven facts.
Sandra Lean
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle, at approximately 5.45pm, and again some 10 minutes later.
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So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.
The aunts, the statements say that AW had called her eldest daughter, to Lean, and no idea how they got to the path, how, why or when! It says why in the statements, but again, applies that the phone logs do not match statements. - Where anyone with the tiniest bit of actual sense would know the following. - There was no telepathy, there was a defence who carried out vital precognitions, there was a defence who had access to far more than these enablers have ever had. Not included in defence papers is simply that, not included. But above all, IF this is even true at all, because and again, it is so hard to grasp actual truth at any time when you know these people are manipulating, wilfully misleading, lying by omission, and on repeat blatantly lying.
For years it was put out that SK was only alibied by his girlfriend JaJ's - She was lying and I pulled her up for lying, again. She said that she had not seen the physical copy of his fathers statement. I pointed out she had their statements, she in turn said, but he was not alibied anyway until statement X!
Back to the above, when pointed out she was lying about the search trio walking past YW's she said, it does not matter, that the only thing that mattered was her point, which was, the house was close, they should have went there to check. To the above again, the phone calls, they HAD checked!
and lying by commission
Paltering
Sandra Lean uses a plethora of deceptive, and harmful manipulative tactics in her innocence fraud scam
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Dale Knowles
Sandra Lean a understand what you mean he’s definitely not done it what a meant to say was do you think justice will be served for Jodi. a think luke will be a free man in the next 5 years in my opinion but a don’t think they will ever get anyone who done it a think police need to be held accountable for what they have did too both Luke and Jodi 
Sandra Lean
Dale Knowles Do I think justice will be served for Jodi? I don't know, Dale. My job was never to find out who killed Jodi, it was to tell the truth about what was NOT done to find her killer. It's taken 20 years to get this far. I'm not a detective, I'm not privy to what the police and others have on file about who might have done this and, realistically, I don't have another 20 years left to make sure they pursue that - I'd be 80 years old by then. The best I can do is hand the baton, for those who have the commitment an energy to ensure Jodi's killer is finally caught, to a new generation.
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What a psycho
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Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it clear he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him anymore
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https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12102.msg655767#msg655767
‘Psychopaths are the equivalent of method actors, and they will play whatever role they think you want them to play so they can use you. They get a thrill out of tricking people into believing that the image they project is real when really it is a mirage, according to Inc. They are skilled performers who hide behind masks and are adept at mimicking emotions they can never really feel. One of their known tricks is manipulating others into feeling sorry for them.
https://www.rd.com/list/sneaky-signs-of-a-psychopath/
Luke has said that he doesn't want animosity between the groups, everyone on these groups are supposed to be here for one reason only
For the sadistic and psychopathic killer
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Luke is in charge of his life from now NO ONE ELSE!!
He has been since he committed his murder of Jodi Jones
He has taken a back seat for far too long and isn't doing it anymore
He’s also an extremely dangerous and disturbed pathological liar - who it sounds is finally being monitored by MAPPA
Shameless Scots murderer Luke Mitchell pens sick letter to supporters from jail branding conviction a 'blight on society'
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/shameless-scots-murderer-luke-mitchell-25082980
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He’s also an extremely dangerous and disturbed pathological liar - who it sounds is finally being monitored by MAPPA
Is Daniel/Danny Kelly also being monitored ?
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Is Daniel/Danny Kelly also being monitored ?
Daniel/Danny Kelly and killer Luke Mitchell also appear to have the paraphilia piquerism in common
Is this the same Danny Kelly https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/crime-courts/2945233/inverness-sheriff-court-man-acquitted-over-knife-accusation/
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“ Mr [Name removed] said he had looked at a clock when he got into Mr [Name removed]’s house, and it said a quarter to five. It had been wrong. Mr Findlay continued: "You and [Name removed] may have been in the area at or about the time that Jodi may have been attacked, yet you saw nothing and heard nothing?" Mr [Name removed] answered: "No."
Mr Findlay: "You would have the jury believe you know nothing?"
Mr [Name removed]: "Yes."
The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences". He said he did not know why he had not gone to the police for several days, nor told any of Jodi’s family he had been on the path that evening.”
https://www.scotsman.com/news/ex-drug-dealer-denies-he-was-behind-murder-cousin-jodi-2509760
It would appear that one of the employees from the tool hire saw the bike against the wall at 5.15. Perhaps on their way home? Multiple witnesses saw the bike around the path ( apologies I worded that rather clumsily).
Excuse the delay, I've not had time to look into all the points. You say multiple witnesses saw the bike around the path but I can't find anyone cite for the toolhire worker seeing the moped at the V at 5.15pm or he would have been called as a witness? The moped boys actions/statements are baffling and surely unreliable/conflicting in admitting to be 20m from a murder scene and not seeing anything. Did LK the cyclist not say he could hear a noisy motorbike in the distance near the NB Road? He claims he never saw anyone on the path.
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Excuse the delay, I've not had time to look into all the points. You say multiple witnesses saw the bike around the path but I can't find anyone cite for the toolhire worker seeing the moped at the V at 5.15pm or he would have been called as a witness? The moped boys actions/statements are baffling and surely unreliable/conflicting in admitting to be 20m from a murder scene and not seeing anything. Did LK the cyclist not say he could hear a noisy motorbike in the distance near the NB Road? He claims he never saw anyone on the path.
Someone came forward to give the police information about seeing the bike at the wall for DF to be able to put the question to JF in court. Not all witnesses who appeared in court where referenced in the media, perhaps the individual who saw the bike was one such witness?
The moped boys involvement in this case is indeed baffling and I’m sure if L&B police hadn’t been so focused on Luke from day one there would be much more clarity now regarding either their involvement in Jodi’s murder or the reasons they were eliminated.
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UPDATED Pretend Criminologist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Sandra Lean’s Latest Smears & Attack On Murder Victims Gran (Part 162)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/14/killer-luke-mitchell-pretend-criminologist-innocence-fraud-pusher-sandra-leans-latest-smears-attack-on-murder-victims-gran-part-162/
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If gouger Sandra Lean had attended any of killer Luke Mitchell’s trial she would have known a lot more about the facts and evidence against killer Luke Mitchell and may not not have got so much wrong in her books
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
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“According to Alan Turnbull QC, there were three things that proved that Luke was the killer:
The "identification" of him at the Easthouses end of the path with Jodi at around 5pm.
The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm.
The testimony of the other three members of the search party.
These three things were "central" to the prosecution‟s case, he claimed.
Alan Turnbull did NOT reduce down 42 days worth of evidence to ‘three things’
Grifter Sandra Lean is far worse than any tabloid journalist has been made out to be by all those people who are not familiar with this innocence fraud
“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/
And the above is an out of full context interpretation of a journalist - who did not publish everything Alan Turnbull said in his closing speech
The judge, lord Nimmo Smith, would have given the jury directions before they were sent out to consider their verdict
An example of a judges summing up
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/transcript-of-judges-summing-up-r-v-simon-john-hall/
Note the judges directions to the jury
Where can lord Nimmo Smith’s full summing up to the jury be read?
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Where can lord Nimmo Smith’s full summing up to the jury be read?
All those people choosing to support (and promote) killer Luke Mitchell, and his enablers, innocence fraud should ask con woman Sandra Lean to publish the prosecution and defences closing speeches (in full) along with the judges summing up and full directions to the jury
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Alan Turnbull did NOT reduce down 42 days worth of evidence to ‘three things’
Grifter Sandra Lean is far worse than any tabloid journalist has been made out to be by all those people who are not familiar with this innocence fraud
“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC narrowed the prosecution case down to three key pieces of evidence. He argued the evidence of the accused’s brother, Jodi Jones family members and a passer-by were sufficient grounds on which to convict Mitchell
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463287.one-scotlands-biggest-cases-fails-answer-jodi-murdered/
And the above is an out of full context interpretation of a journalist - who did not publish everything Alan Turnbull said in his closing speech
“In his closing speech, Alan Turnbull QC told the 15 jurors that the facts might mean nothing in isolation.
But looked at as a whole, the power of the circumstantial evidence would become clear, he said.
Alan Turnbull also told the jury Luke Mitchell was a ‘cool, confident’ killer who believes he was untouchable and took immediate steps to cover his tracks.
See prosecutions closing speech
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘Newspaper photographs of him being driven away from the school by his mother claimed he was making "obscene hand gestures" to reporters, yet the photograph in question clearly shows him reaching back for his seat belt.
Killer Luke Mitchell used the same ‘hand gesture’ as psycho killer Damien Echols
https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1565339184599949314
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“‘The police investigation
On August 14th, some six weeks later, the police arrived at the Mitchell household at 7.25am. A huge contingent of reporters and photographers was already waiting, and Luke was photographed being led away in handcuffs.
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‘Findlay then said a search of Scottish newspapers had revealed no published picture of Mitchell before August 15.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodies-boyfriend-detained-9l6bwftkdbw
A photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing a replacement parka was taken and published by the media on the 15th August 2003
This was clearly yet another orchestrated move by ‘cool, confident’ killer Luke Mitchell
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“‘The police investigation
On August 14th, some six weeks later, the police arrived at the Mitchell household at 7.25am. A huge contingent of reporters and photographers was already waiting, and Luke was photographed being led away in handcuffs.
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‘Findlay then said a search of Scottish newspapers had revealed no published picture of Mitchell before August 15.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodies-boyfriend-detained-9l6bwftkdbw
A photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing a replacement parka was taken and published by the media on the 15th August 2003
This was clearly yet another orchestrated move by ‘cool, confident’ killer Luke Mitchell
Can [moderated] Sandra Lean produce a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell in handcuffs from the 14th August 2003?
‘The police investigation
On August 14th, some six weeks later, the police arrived at the Mitchell household at 7.25am. A huge contingent of reporters and photographers was already waiting, and Luke was photographed being led away in handcuffs. Luke Mitchell had just turned 15 years old, yet the police did nothing to shield his identity. The question has never been answered as to how such a large group of press knew to congregate outside the Mitchell home at that time of the morning on that particular day.
👆🏽Excerpt by Sandra Lean from her 1st discredited book No Smoke 👆🏽
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“‘The police investigation
A photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing a replacement parka was taken and published by the media on the 15th August 2003
This is the photograph from 15th August 2003
Note the date it says it was ‘taken’ in the below wrongly states the 21st Jan 2005
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https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-undated-image-of-luke-mitchell-outside-his-home-in-dalkeith-after-108042369.html?imageid=77969364-CE17-4E80-8EC4-1FE62B17C53A&p=308342&pn=1&searchId=59b11663a7c355a53bf8593e5f04a154&searchtype=0
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Killer Luke Mitchell was also still over the wall when Alive Walker went over
”Luke went over first and said there was something here, " she (Alice Walker) said.
Mrs Walker told the court that Mr Kelly was next over the wall and she thought he was being sick. "He came back in a state, " she said.
The grandmother added: "I tried to climb across but I couldn't make it. Steven came and helped me. Luke helped me down on the other side
She said as they made their way along the other side of the wall she saw a "light-coloured shape"which turned out to be Jodi's body."
Here 👇grifter and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean has conflated what occurred on the other side of the wall, with the path side of the wall
‘Some way down the path, the dog, he says, began sniffing the air and pawing at the wall, as if she had picked up a scent. Luke and Alice Walker returned a little way back in the direction they had just come, to a V shaped break in the top of the wall, through which Luke climbed, and discovered the body.
👆🏽Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
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Can [moderated] Sandra Lean produce a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell in handcuffs from the 14th August 2003?
‘The police investigation
On August 14th, some six weeks later, the police arrived at the Mitchell household at 7.25am. A huge contingent of reporters and photographers was already waiting, and Luke was photographed being led away in handcuffs. Luke Mitchell had just turned 15 years old, yet the police did nothing to shield his identity. The question has never been answered as to how such a large group of press knew to congregate outside the Mitchell home at that time of the morning on that particular day.
👆🏽Excerpt by Sandra Lean from her 1st discredited book No Smoke 👆🏽
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Further excerpt by Sandra Lean from her 1st discredited book No Smoke
“Luke was not arrested until April 2004”
Where are the photo’s of killer Luke Mitchell being lead away in handcuffs on the 14th August 2003?
Also Shirley English’s article for the Times states the time the police arrived at the Mitchell’s house on the 14th was ‘at about 7am’
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‘The police investigation
On August 14th, some six weeks later, the police arrived at the Mitchell household at 7.25am. A huge contingent of reporters and photographers was already waiting, and Luke was photographed being led away in handcuffs. Luke Mitchell had just turned 15 years old, yet the police did nothing to shield his identity. The question has never been answered as to how such a large group of press knew to congregate outside the Mitchell home at that time of the morning on that particular day.
More of Sandra Lean’s double binds
“Luke Mitchell wearing such a parka jacket…
…he had been pictured in newspapers wearing one.”
The above are excerpts from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke referring to a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell dated the - 15th August 2015 - wearing the replacement parka
Where are the photographs of him being led away in handcuffs from the day before?
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Further excerpt by Sandra Lean from her 1st discredited book No Smoke
“Luke was not arrested until April 2004”
Where are the photo’s of killer Luke Mitchell being lead away in handcuffs on the 14th August 2003?
Also Shirley English’s article for the Times states the time the police arrived at the Mitchell’s house on the 14th was ‘at about 7am’
Shirley English wrote several articles for the Times
20th Nov 2003 - Jodi boyfriend school ban stays
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-school-ban-stays-djp0bd0728v
14th Jan 2005 - Jodi boyfriend ‘was cooking dinner’
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-was-cooking-dinner-xpv2b0l6xn8
3rd July 2003 - Schoolgirls killer appeared to know the area say detectives
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schoolgirls-killer-appeared-to-know-the-area-say-detectives-msgldjpxft7
7th July 2003 - Reconstruction of Jodi Jones final walk in bid for clues
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/reconstruction-of-jodis-final-walk-in-bid-for-clues-glj2czlqpcl
9th July 2003 - Drivers sought in Jodi murder hunt
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drivers-sought-in-jodi-murder-hunt-2swss37p500
16th July 2003 - Don’t let someone else’s baby be taken, plead Jodi’s family
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-let-someone-elses-baby-be-taken-plead-jodis-family-d597dnhhqv0
17th July 2003 - Jodi police reveal man was seen walking behind her
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-police-reveal-man-was-seen-walking-behind-her-dmlqhpkl96p
18th August 2003 - Vagrant sought by police hunting for Jodi’s killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vagrant-sought-by-police-hunting-for-jodis-killer-96grrthfq59
4th September 2003 - Jodie’s boyfriend told to stay away from her funeral
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-told-to-stay-away-from-her-funeral-grfjzjrvd8g
10th September 2003 - Joni’s boyfriend seek new school
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-seeks-new-school-znf3xqfhtbw
25th Nov 2003 - Boyfriend is sole suspect in case of murdered girl, 14
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boyfriend-is-sole-suspect-in-case-of-murdered-girl-14-rpxqtgttm39
15th April 2004 - boy 15 held over Jodie’s murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boy-15-held-over-jodis-murder-3wp2xpgh2s5
13th November 2004 - Jury sees mutilated Jodi pictures
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jury-sees-mutilated-jodi-pictures-g338qz9hfgj
15th Dec 2004 - Jodi tied up with trousers Court told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-tied-up-with-trousers-court-told-dndpxjk9sxs
17th December 2004 - Jodi trial is told of 666 knife pouch
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-trial-is-told-of-666-knife-pouch-gl36lq9m38v
31st Dec 2004 - Accused two times Jodi Jones lookalike
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accused-two-timed-jodi-jones-lookalike-tltkbkbxdbt
11th January 2005 - Accused brother changed Jodi story
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accuseds-brother-changed-jodi-story-z8dmfdv8nl
24th November 2004 - Jodi cousin denies that he is the real killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-cousin-denies-that-he-is-the-real-killer-28zhcw693l8
16th December 2004 - No dna evidence to link boyfriend with Jodi murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-dna-evidence-to-link-boyfriend-with-jodi-murder-37b29ng7l6q
19th January 2005 - Luke a confident killer Jodi trial told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luke-a-confident-killer-jodi-trial-told-ck8wv6bg89z
21st January 2005 - The disturbing obsessions of a teenage killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-disturbing-obsessions-of-a-teenage-killer-ddvzc9gt55b
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Shirley English wrote several articles for the Times
20th Nov 2003 - Jodi boyfriend school ban stays
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-school-ban-stays-djp0bd0728v
14th Jan 2005 - Jodi boyfriend ‘was cooking dinner’
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-was-cooking-dinner-xpv2b0l6xn8
3rd July 2003 - Schoolgirls killer appeared to know the area say detectives
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schoolgirls-killer-appeared-to-know-the-area-say-detectives-msgldjpxft7
7th July 2003 - Reconstruction of Jodi Jones final walk in bid for clues
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/reconstruction-of-jodis-final-walk-in-bid-for-clues-glj2czlqpcl
9th July 2003 - Drivers sought in Jodi murder hunt
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drivers-sought-in-jodi-murder-hunt-2swss37p500
16th July 2003 - Don’t let someone else’s baby be taken, plead Jodi’s family
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-let-someone-elses-baby-be-taken-plead-jodis-family-d597dnhhqv0
17th July 2003 - Jodi police reveal man was seen walking behind her
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-police-reveal-man-was-seen-walking-behind-her-dmlqhpkl96p
18th August 2003 - Vagrant sought by police hunting for Jodi’s killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vagrant-sought-by-police-hunting-for-jodis-killer-96grrthfq59
4th September 2003 - Jodie’s boyfriend told to stay away from her funeral
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-told-to-stay-away-from-her-funeral-grfjzjrvd8g
10th September 2003 - Joni’s boyfriend seek new school
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-seeks-new-school-znf3xqfhtbw
25th Nov 2003 - Boyfriend is sole suspect in case of murdered girl, 14
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boyfriend-is-sole-suspect-in-case-of-murdered-girl-14-rpxqtgttm39
15th April 2004 - boy 15 held over Jodie’s murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boy-15-held-over-jodis-murder-3wp2xpgh2s5
13th November 2004 - Jury sees mutilated Jodi pictures
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jury-sees-mutilated-jodi-pictures-g338qz9hfgj
15th Dec 2004 - Jodi tied up with trousers Court told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-tied-up-with-trousers-court-told-dndpxjk9sxs
31st Dec 2004 - Accused two times Jodi Jones lookalike
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accused-two-timed-jodi-jones-lookalike-tltkbkbxdbt
11th January 2005 - Accused brother changed Jodi story
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accuseds-brother-changed-jodi-story-z8dmfdv8nl
24th November 2004 - Jodi cousin denies that he is the real killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-cousin-denies-that-he-is-the-real-killer-28zhcw693l8
16th December 2004 - No dna evidence to link boyfriend with Jodi murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-dna-evidence-to-link-boyfriend-with-jodi-murder-37b29ng7l6q
17th December 2004 - Jodi trial is told of 666 knife pouch
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-trial-is-told-of-666-knife-pouch-gl36lq9m38v
19th January 2005 - Luke a confident killer Jodi trial told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luke-a-confident-killer-jodi-trial-told-ck8wv6bg89z
21st January 2005 - The disturbing obsessions of a teenage killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-disturbing-obsessions-of-a-teenage-killer-ddvzc9gt55b
This 👆🏽is almost double to what Jane Hamilton wrote on the case yet fraudsters Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes have never mentioned Shirley English’s name - publicly - Why?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘Newspaper photographs of him being driven away from the school by his mother claimed he was making "obscene hand gestures" to reporters, yet the photograph in question clearly shows him reaching back for his seat belt.
Killer Luke Mitchell used the same ‘hand gesture’ as psycho killer Damian Echols
https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1565339184599949314 (https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1565339184599949314)
https://youtu.be/_9R4BxpUPo4?t=93 (https://youtu.be/_9R4BxpUPo4?t=93)
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https://youtu.be/_9R4BxpUPo4?t=93 (https://youtu.be/_9R4BxpUPo4?t=93)
It’s clear that’s not killer Luke Mitchell ‘reaching back for his seat belt ‘ as con artist Sandra Lean made claim in her discredited book
He made an ‘obscene hand gesture’ - with his mother Corinne Mitchell sat next to him
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘Newspaper photographs of him being driven away from the school by his mother claimed he was making "obscene hand gestures" to reporters, yet the photograph in question clearly shows him reaching back for his seat belt.
Killer Luke Mitchell used the same ‘hand gesture’ as psycho killer Damien Echols
https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1565339184599949314
Sadistic psychopathic killer Damien Echols also had a history of cruelty towards animals
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https://www.reddit.com/r/WestMemphisThree/comments/loba0v/statement_regarding_m_hutchisons_torturing_and/
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell
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https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU
‘Damien Echols and Luke Mitchell. killer Comrades?’
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s discredited book No Smoke
‘What becomes critical here is the prosecution‟s claim as to the sequence and timing of events. They would claim that Jodi left home at approximately 4.50pm, and was murdered around 5.15pm, her body being stripped and mutilated thereafter. In an attempt to pin down these timings, police video footage timed the walk from the point where Luke was identified at the end of his street to the Newbattle entrance to the path where Jodi was killed, at just over 5 minutes at a brisk walking pace. Walking the full length of the path, from end to end, at a similar pace would take an absolute minimum of 10 minutes. If, as the prosecution claimed, Luke left to meet Jodi in response to texts they‟d exchanged earlier (the last one being at 4.38pm), we have to accept that Luke was at the end of his street when these texts were exchanged, he left immediately, took a very brisk walk up the path, covering the distance in the minimum possible time, and arrived to meet Jodi with just one minute to spare within the "identification" window produced by Andrina
What if killer Luke Mitchell used his other push bike?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths
Sandra Lean
GD threw in the "yellow framed bike" in his account of his and JFs movements on the path that day. JuJ told the police Luke would come to the house for Jodi either on foot or on his bike.
Sandra Lean
JuJ told police Luke had told her on the phone… that he was at the Newbattle entrance to the path and was coming up on his bike
Sandra Lean
weeks later..…everyone was still under the impression that either Luke was on his bike that night, or that for some reason, he had lied to JuJ about it
What did killer Luke Mitchell’s neighbours tell police about his other bike?
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Sandra Lean
Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html#msg386928
Corinne Mitchell lied and told police her killer son Luke arrived home at 9pm
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Sandra Lean
If we insert neighbour's sighting into that, the prosecution case is that Luke, having escaped unnoticed, cleaned up and been identified sitting, perfectly normal, on a wall at the end of his street by 5.45pm
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html#msg386928
Killer Luke Mitchell was not ‘identified sitting, perfectly normal on a wall’ by anyone!
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This is yet another myth con women Sandra Lean has attempted to push out as a fact
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Sandra Lean
Luke normally returned home after 10, having seen Jodi home for her curfew of 10pm
But on the night he committed his murder he arrived home at 9pm
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Liar Corinne Mitchell ‘gosh you’re early’ - to James English in 2019
Yet Corinne’s evidence during the trial was
”I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
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Para 162 CoA Judgement
‘As the trial judge informs us, the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did John F e r r I s supply killer Luke Mitchell with cannibals on 30th June 2003 ?
Corinne Mitchell - 7th May 2010
One of the youths on the moped ,who lied about the time they were on the path lived in Reed Drive (directly below school)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609.html
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Angeline aka Sandra Lean
Angeline - Feb 2010
‘the Scots are supposedly renowned for their hospitality and friendship I cannot believe any of our number would be so ill-mannered as to create an issue over the spelling of whiskey/whisky/scotch/bourbon/sourmash/pure pot still etc. On behalf of Scots, Irish, and whiskey lovers everywhere , please forgive us that rudeness.
I am aware that the Scots are considered dour the world over, but believe me, our sense of humour, when tickled, results in the legendary guffaw which I personally indulged in in response to a couple of your posts.
Please, whatever serious issues arise from your posts here, maintain that humour otherwise, we dour Scots may become so parochially navel gazing that we may disappear up our own nether regions and, for the umpteenth time in history, leave ourselves with no international voice.
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Sandra Lean - May 2010
I'm still ploughing through transcripts, etc - will post these asap - I'll dig out some of the timing stuff and post that as well https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s70.html
Sandra Lean
I had a visitor from London who was also using Google maps, etc, and he was really quite surprised when he walked the actual routes - I think because it's such a tiny area, the maps are sometimes a little misleading.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s50.html
‘London’ or Lerwick Sandra?
Were you referring to un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton ?
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Corinne Mitchell
Sorry! At the time of the murder it was reported that a known sex offender was staying at the Sun Inn
Sandra has more info on that than me
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s20.html
‘the’ murder
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Wasn’t ‘the sun inn’ Corinne Mitchell’s regular haunt ?
Why would Sandra have ‘more info on that’ than Corinne - if this was Corinne’s local?
Or did Sandra Lean also drink in the sun inn?
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Corinne Mitchell - 7th May 2010
Newbattle Abbey College is where the guy was staying who had the scratches onhis face and.gave 3 different reasons why. His resemblence to Luke is striking.
Mark Kane did NOT have a hairstyle like Liam Gallagher or Shaggy from Skooby Doo - killer Luke Mitchell did!
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What friends, neighbours and teachers confirmed killer Luke Mitchell owned and wore a parka prior to his murder?
‘But the lawyer tells her that several friends, neighbours and teachers had given evidence that her son owned a parka jacket before Jodi's death.
Liar Corinne Mitchell gave evidence after these 👆🏽witnesses
‘Donald Findlay QC, defending Luke Mitchell, tells Corinne under cross-examination: 'If you have any knowledge at all that Luke was responsible for Jodi's death, now is the time to say so, whether he is your son or not.'
The jury saw through her lies
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Para 162 CoA Judgement
‘As the trial judge informs us, the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did John F e r r I s supply killer Luke Mitchell with cannibals on 30th June 2003 ?
Corinne Mitchell - 7th May 2010
One of the youths on the moped ,who lied about the time they were on the path lived in Reed Drive (directly below school)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609.html
Why did the Mitchell’s threaten ‘star witness’ John F e r r i s?
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Who was ‘Holly’?
Corinne Mitchell - 27th June 2010
Holly will have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off home now so won't have access to this until then.
I feel I really should warn you though........what you hear from me.....you may not like.
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Corinne Mitchell - 6th May 2010
John
Luke was in the house between 5 and 5.30 ....eating his dinner. And here lies the problem they say we are lying.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s40.html
You were are are Corinne!
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Para 162 CoA Judgement
‘As the trial judge informs us, the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did John F e r r I s supply killer Luke Mitchell with cannibals on 30th June 2003 ?
Corinne Mitchell - 7th May 2010
One of the youths on the moped ,who lied about the time they were on the path lived in Reed Drive (directly below school)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609.html
John - 6th May 2010
Before I go, can you tell me if the suggestion was ever raised that Jodi may have disturbed someone on the track that fateful evening?
Corinne Mitchell
John
sorry, missed a question!
It would be unlikely Jodi would have disturbed someone walking down the path as it was quite well used by dog walkers and joggers!
However, if she was going behind the wall to say meet F e r r i s to get some cannabis before meeting Luke she may well have disturbed someone.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s30.html
John F e r r i s’s evidence was that he met killer Luke Mitchell to supply him cannabis NOT Jodi Jones
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John - 6th May 2010
Before I go, can you tell me if the suggestion was ever raised that Jodi may have disturbed someone on the track that fateful evening?
Corinne Mitchell
John
sorry, missed a question!
It would be unlikely Jodi would have disturbed someone walking down the path as it was quite well used by dog walkers and joggers!
However, if she was going behind the wall to say meet F e r r i s to get some cannabis before meeting Luke she may well have disturbed someone.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s30.html
John F e r r i s’s evidence was that he met killer Luke Mitchell to supply him cannabis NOT Jodi Jones
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Jodi smoked cannabis shortly before her death. How do you think that the cannabis got there?
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Jodi smoked cannabis shortly before her death. How do you think that the cannabis got there?
Where’s the evidence for this?
“JODI Jones smoked cannabis with the youth accused of murdering her just hours before she died, a court was told yesterday.
‘Shortly before’ = lunchtime
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Corinne Mitchell
John
sorry, missed a question!
It would be unlikely Jodi would have disturbed someone walking down the path as it was quite well used by dog walkers and joggers!
However, if she was going behind the wall to say meet F e r r i s to get some cannabis before meeting Luke she may well have disturbed someone.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s30.html
Corinne Mitchell’s statement makes no sense
Jodi Jones was NOT meeting with F e r r i s - she was meeting with her killer son Luke
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Corinne Mitchell
John
sorry, missed a question!
It would be unlikely Jodi would have disturbed someone walking down the path as it was quite well used by dog walkers and joggers!
However, if she was going behind the wall to say meet F e r r i s to get some cannabis before meeting Luke she may well have disturbed someone.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s30.html
Another of Corinne Mitchell’s freudian slips maybe
John F e r r i s’s evidence was that killer Luke Mitchell still owed him for the cannabis he sold him
On what date exactly did he supply him with the weed?
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Corinne Mitchell - 27th June 2010
Holly will have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off home now so won't have access to this until then.
I feel I really should warn you though........what you hear from me.....you may not like.
Who was ‘Holly’ and why did Corinne Mitchell state -’I feel I really should warn you though…….
what you hear from me.....you may not like’ ?
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Did John F e r r I s supply killer Luke Mitchell with cannibals on 30th June 2003 ?
Corinne Mitchell - 7th May 2010
One of the youths on the moped ,who lied about the time they were on the path lived in Reed Drive (directly below school)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609.html
Did killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell he had seen John F e r r i s on the path?
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‘Under lengthy cross-examination by the defence QC, Donald Findlay, he agreed that after the death he changed his appearance by hacking off his hair, delayed in going to the police, mis-stated the time he had been at the path, and had been ostracised by some of Jodi’s family. Each time Mr Findlay asked if he had murdered Jodi, he replied: "No."
‘He admitted having supplied cannabis to friends and relatives, and said that Mitchell regularly bought the drug from him, and still owed him for his last purchase, on the day before Jodi’s death.
Was John F e r r i s ‘ostracised by some of Jodi’s family’ because they thought he may have met killer Luke Mitchell on the path before he (Luke Mitchell) committed his murder of [Name removed] as opposed to the ‘day before’?
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‘Under lengthy cross-examination by the defence QC, Donald Findlay, he agreed that after the death he changed his appearance by hacking off his hair, delayed in going to the police, mis-stated the time he had been at the path, and had been ostracised by some of Jodi’s family. Each time Mr Findlay asked if he had murdered Jodi, he replied: "No."
‘He admitted having supplied cannabis to friends and relatives, and said that Mitchell regularly bought the drug from him, and still owed him for his last purchase, on the day before Jodi’s death.
Was John F e r r i s ‘ostracised by some of Jodi’s family’ because they thought he may have met killer Luke Mitchell on the path before he (Luke Mitchell) committed his murder of [Name removed] as opposed to the ‘day before’?
Looking forward to the day any of your diatribes I are actually backed up by evidence.
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Looking forward to the day any of your diatribes I are actually backed up by evidence.
Any idea who Holly was ?
Corinne Mitchell - 27th June 2010
Holly will have to wait until tomorrow. I'm off home now so won't have access to this until then.
I feel I really should warn you though........what you hear from me.....you may not like.
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Read the book.
[53] It was important to recognise that there had been an acceptance on the part of the appellant that a fair trial was possible. That had been the position taken up before the trial judge at the preliminary hearing on 6 October 2004, as appeared from paragraph [90] of his report, and it was reiterated in the appellant's submissions before this court.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did fraudster Sandra Lean include a reproduced copy of paragraph [90] from the pre trial hearing on 6th October 2004 in her book?
along with a copy of the submissions made to the appeal court ?
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Gary Peden
In all reality the tip may well have broken during the sustained frenzied attack on JM and by all accounts of the pathology situation seems scant, there's every possiblity the tip may well be lodged in JM bone🤷 terrible thing to think but perhaps exhumation will be the only way to establish this and recover lost/intentionally destroyed finger nail scrapings, and if this has to occur the blame for such an unthinkable thing is the crown and the police for bending their own rules and any guarantee given be LM's legal team not to pursue a case against the crown cannot be honored given the damage it has caused to LM appeal, all fair in love and war. IMO 🤷
Your ‘reality’ is sick and twisted fantasy Gary Peden
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Nick Maiden
The reason I feel the blade would of been blunted at tip.
Is if someone was carrying in rucksack regularly.
Running or bouncing around , active movement.
It allows you too move fast without tip potentially pericing the carrier
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Nick Maiden
I believe the Tip too be removed on purpose.
Hence me bringing it up.
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s discredited book No Smoke
‘What becomes critical here is the prosecution‟s claim as to the sequence and timing of events. They would claim that Jodi left home at approximately 4.50pm, and was murdered around 5.15pm, her body being stripped and mutilated thereafter. In an attempt to pin down these timings, police video footage timed the walk from the point where Luke was identified at the end of his street to the Newbattle entrance to the path where Jodi was killed, at just over 5 minutes at a brisk walking pace. Walking the full length of the path, from end to end, at a similar pace would take an absolute minimum of 10 minutes. If, as the prosecution claimed, Luke left to meet Jodi in response to texts they‟d exchanged earlier (the last one being at 4.38pm), we have to accept that Luke was at the end of his street when these texts were exchanged, he left immediately, took a very brisk walk up the path, covering the distance in the minimum possible time, and arrived to meet Jodi with just one minute to spare within the "identification" window produced by Andrina
What if killer Luke Mitchell used his other push bike?
What would the timings look like if killer Luke Mitchell was on his other missing push bike?
Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Killers Missing Bike (Part 127)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-the-killers-missing-bike-part-127/
Crystal Smith is another mother who aided her son Aiden Fucci following his murder of Tristyn Bailey (13)
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12090.msg651685#msg651685
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So again Nicholas you are bang on with "What the hell is wrong with these people?" By not given context, by lying constantly by omission, leaves this obtuse narrative of utter bollocks. It does what it says on the tin, focus at all times upon these others.
Why has Sandra Lean chosen to not tell all those people she is choosing to dupe about all the details about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing push bike?
UPDATED - Malignant Narcissist Sandra Lean’s Bad Habits (Part 109)
‘Sandra Lean puts the gran, sister and Steven Kelly at this path at 10.58pm. A somewhat precise time?
There is no information as to why she has this time, no source - nothing, but uses this to infer the search party had left the house before knowing this girl was missing?
What is clear, is that there is numerous times of contact between Judith, Luke and the grans house phone, who do we imagine Judith was talking to when the house phone was answered in the grans? And presumably more calls to this grans mobile whilst out. Why does Sandra Lean miss out all of those, along with any information given.
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-bad-habits-guest-blog/
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Matt Elliott
Petition handover: Scottish Parliament 16/11/22
Thank-you to everyone who turned up yesterday, signed the petition, wrote to your MP ,shared this injustice and just for caring.
Dr Sandra Lean has worked tirelessly on this case, and is truly grateful to you all and the progress WE are making. Yesterday we made history.
Special mention to Scott Forbes, Neil, Rachel, Sharon and all the Facebook team who work tirelessly, and respectfully ,in the background...you know who you are.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOk1TSt9268
(At around 2:19) Matt (Matthew) Elliott edited the above and has made Sandra Lean and Russell Findlay’s handshake appear very different to the handshakes that took place in reality - in the unedited version (available to view on Fb)
In reality - Russell Findlay first shook the hand of gouger Scott Forbes, while charlatan Sandra Lean put her hand out, and waited with her hand out for split seconds before the handshake actually took place
Why did Matt Elliott choose to edit his video down so it didn’t include Sandra Lean standing there with her hand out?
And did Matt Elliott do this of his own accord or was it suggested to him by someone that he edit out fraudster Scott Forbes and the delay in the handshake between Russel Findlay and Sandra Lean?
Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell (Part 133)
‘Toxic abuser and innocence fraud pusher and enabler Sandra Lean also fabricated a misleading innocence fraud narrative for actual, factual guilty and dangerous killer Simon Hall (along with 6 other guilty killers) in her 1st discredited book, which was published in 2007 and again in 2008.
And morally duplicitous Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book is still being sold!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
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Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell (Part 133)
‘Toxic abuser and innocence fraud pusher and enabler Sandra Lean also fabricated a misleading innocence fraud narrative for actual, factual guilty and dangerous killer Simon Hall (along with 6 other guilty killers) in her 1st discredited book, which was published in 2007 and again in 2008.
And morally duplicitous Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book is still being sold! - 2023
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
Fraudster Sandra Lean claimed in October 2019;
“I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn”
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https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html#msg456199
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Sandra Lean’s publisher - another charlatan and fraudster called Stephen T Manning
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‘Hi Folks - as the publisher of Ms Sandra Lean's book - 'No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice' - I thought I should help clarify a couple of points of possible misinformation here.
I wish to make it clear that I do not wish to cause any offence, nor am I qualified to comment on the intricacies of any of the seven cases covered in Ms Lean's book, but I do think the following facts need to be stated for the record.
Firstly, 'No Smoke' (2nd edition) was published by CheckPoint Press under our 'Traditional Contract' terms. This means that the manuscript qualified for publication 'on merit' [for content, theme, and quality of writing].
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s250.html
The same Stephen T Manning was ‘accused of inappropriate conduct around children in 2009’
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“ Mr [Name removed] said he had looked at a clock when he got into Mr [Name removed]’s house, and it said a quarter to five. It had been wrong. Mr Findlay continued: "You and [Name removed] may have been in the area at or about the time that Jodi may have been attacked, yet you saw nothing and heard nothing?" Mr [Name removed] answered: "No."
Mr Findlay: "You would have the jury believe you know nothing?"
Mr [Name removed]: "Yes."
The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences". He said he did not know why he had not gone to the police for several days, nor told any of Jodi’s family he had been on the path that evening.”
https://www.scotsman.com/news/ex-drug-dealer-denies-he-was-behind-murder-cousin-jodi-2509760
What exactly did all of John F e r r i s’s police witness statements say about this?
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It would appear that one of the employees from the tool hire saw the bike against the wall at 5.15. Perhaps on their way home?
It’s been explained numerous times - the witness from basic tool hire who claimed this, was wrong
And the reason they weren’t called to give evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial supports this
Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott Forbes’ Fairytales, The Moped & Playing With Innocent Peoples Lives (Part 125)
‘Donald Findlay at trial, directly to the boys, told them that someone had given information to the police of seeing their bike upon that path. Of it being stationary with no boys in sight, those tactics.
There were NO witnesses at the trial of any bike at any V break.
Now for some context and we are talking of those lies doing the round, that the bike was SEEN at the break in the wall.
The person who gave the information was driving their car in a national speed zone, on The Beeches.
Even the person who gave the information to the police did not see any bike at any V break in that wall, it cannot be seen, the bike IF seen was up past the line of trees blocking all view of both the wall and the V break.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-forbes-fairytales-continue-part-125/
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Why has Sandra Lean chosen to not tell all those people she is choosing to dupe about all the details about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing push bike?
UPDATED - Malignant Narcissist Sandra Lean’s Bad Habits (Part 109)
‘Sandra Lean puts the gran, sister and Steven Kelly at this path at 10.58pm. A somewhat precise time?
There is no information as to why she has this time, no source - nothing, but uses this to infer the search party had left the house before knowing this girl was missing?
What is clear, is that there is numerous times of contact between Judith, Luke and the grans house phone, who do we imagine Judith was talking to when the house phone was answered in the grans? And presumably more calls to this grans mobile whilst out. Why does Sandra Lean miss out all of those, along with any information given.
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-bad-habits-guest-blog/
Angeline AKA Sandra Lean - 17th May 2009
’That's only the tip of the iceberg, I'm afraid. Most of the evidence in this case never made it into court’
‘There is much, much, more’
Including the evidence collated on killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing push bike
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The clues that snared a murderer
SMALL but vital clues convinced police that Luke Mitchell was Jodi Jones’ killer, the murder inquiry’s leading investigator said today.
But detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie said the teenager was nothing more than a witness at the beginning of the investigation.
It wasn’t until inconsistencies emerged in his statements that he became a suspect.
He said they tried to eliminate him from their enquiries but "they just couldn’t".
Mr Dobbie, 53, said more than 3000 statements were taken throughout the course of the inquiry.
"We interviewed everyone possible," he said. "We interviewed every male who had been viewed with general suspicion.
"That group included any males known to Jodi - both relatives and friends.
"Luke was one, and, at first, he was no different from the rest of them. We were just trying to eliminate people from that group.
"It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.
However, Mr Dobbie did not want to detain Mitchell until the DNA test results had come back from the lab.
"When the results came back there was not one DNA profile which could not be accounted for. Every profile belonged to people who knew Jodi, including Luke. However, what we didn’t have was DNA from someone unknown, which ruled out anyone unknown as the killer."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
Angeline AKA Sandra Lean 17th May 2009
‘A week into the enquiry, they were claiming that the results of DNA tests would "either prove or disprove their main line of investigation." Funny, that, since they only had reference samples from two people by that stage - Jodi and Luke. They didn't even get reference samples from the other members of the search party, or members of Jodi's family for 2 - 3 weeks after the murder.
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Angeline AKA Sandra Lean
In order to photograph and video the murder scene, police cut down overhanging branches before forensics had examined the scene.
Strongly suspect the video began before any overhanging branches were removed
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Angeline AKA Sandra Lean 25th February 2009
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’If you look at the acrobatics they had to perform to construct the case against Luke, or any of the others, for that matter, it has to have been much more difficult than actually carrying out a proper investigation?
In Simon Hall's case, for example, the police instructed a gastro-enterologist to ascertain time of death. When his report didn't fit with the chosen "window of opportunity," they dropped this expert, and his evidence went into the unused evidence file. The police then went to ludicrous lengths to "find" evidence that supported their chosen window of opportunity, at the same time as ignoring several other witnesses/pieces of evidence which backed up the gastro-enterologist's findings.
The police and prosecution were practically spot on re ‘time of death’ in relation to killer Simon Hall’s murder, just as they appear to have been with killer Luke Mitchell’s
The truth behind killer Simon Hall’s innocence fraud phenomenon scam
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
More of Sandra Lean’s projections
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‘The police were so sure in Luke's case that the DNA reports would nail Luke. When they didn't, instead of checking further to see whose DNA they did have, they turned somersaults to "find" other evidence to "support" their theory that Luke was the murderer.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s50.html
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Angeline AKA Sandra Lean 17th May 2009
‘A week into the enquiry, they were claiming that the results of DNA tests would "either prove or disprove their main line of investigation." Funny, that, since they only had reference samples from two people by that stage - Jodi and Luke. They didn't even get reference samples from the other members of the search party, or members of Jodi's family for 2 - 3 weeks after the murder.
Reg127 AKA Billy Middleton 5th February 2010
By investigation I mean following other leads and considering evidence carefully. The direction of the investigation focussed on Luke very early on as without doubt he was a suspect. The presence of some other persons DNA on the body has not been explained publicly which is very worrying.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-postings-now-archived-see-new-thread-t398-s70.html
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Why did Matt Elliott choose to edit his video down so it didn’t include Sandra Lean standing there with her hand out?
And did Matt Elliott do this of his own accord or was it suggested to him by someone that he edit out fraudster Scott Forbes and the delay in the handshake between Russel Findlay and Sandra Lean?
Deluded ‘Photographer, Filmmaker & Producer’ Matthew Elliott’s ‘Friend’ & Gravy Train Jumper Naomi Channell (Part 133)
‘Toxic abuser and innocence fraud pusher and enabler Sandra Lean also fabricated a misleading innocence fraud narrative for actual, factual guilty and dangerous killer Simon Hall (along with 6 other guilty killers) in her 1st discredited book, which was published in 2007 and again in 2008.
And morally duplicitous Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book is still being sold!
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
Decent little video. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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What exactly did all of John F e r r i s’s police witness statements say about this?
Under oath JF admitted his bike was left at the break in the wall. No need to look at his statements.
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Under oath JF admitted his bike was left at the break in the wall. No need to look at his statements.
“The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall”
There was more than one break in the wall
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The Killing of Jodi Jones: We must all realise that sex and drugs did not murder Jodi
by Joan Burnie 2005
JODI JONES, it was said at Luke Mitchell's trial, was a normal, average 14-year-old.
She went to school.She liked the music of Kurt Cobain.She had rows with her mum.But Jodi loved her mum and her mum loved Jodi.
Jodi also had sex with Luke Mitchell - and she smoked cannabis.That,however,doesn't make her any less normal a teenager.
Kids do have sex before the law says they should - just as kids also experiment with illegal substances.
The statistics tell us that by Jodi's age approximately half of all teenagers will be sexually active anda similar number will have tried drugs at least once.
But let no-one suggest that because Jodi did both these things she is somehow less of a victim than say, Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman,who were murdered by Ian Huntley.
No one deserves what happened to Jodi.
Sex,soft drugs - it's the way they live now.
So those least likely to be surprised,far less shocked by Jodi's life style will be her own generation.
They,unlike too many of their mums and dads,know exactly what goes on.Even if they don't do it themselves, they'll know plenty who behaved like Jodi.
Kids grow up terrifyingly quickly these days.But one thing hasn't changed - like all teenagers they think they know it all.
Unfortunately they don't. In many ways,they are just as innocent,or maybe the better word is ignorant, as kids always have been.
Joan's Juniors has given mea slight insight to their lives.So I know they believe they can handle drugs. They don't see it as much of a problem and, indeed, think adults are hypocrites to condemn it when they drink and smoke.
To many, cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or nicotine.
As for sex - that in itself doesn't worry them too much.By10,most of them know the mechanics in theory if not in practice.
It's love which gets them down.They wish for it above all else.Sadly some,especially girls, have got it into their heads that they won't get that love unless they agree to sex first.So should we panic?
Maybe not.Most of those who have passed a spliff around behind the bike shed won't go on to become addicts.That doesn't imply parents need do nothing but cross their fingers and turn a blind eye.Parents have to be parents not pals and that means telling kids what they can or cannot do as well as laying down some rules and limits.
You discuss drugs.You stress the dangers - and point out that drugs are illegal.
Much the same goes for sex.Too many parents won't talk about it, either through misplaced embarrassment or because they think it's best left to the schools.
That isn't nearly enough. Apart from anything else,kids say they would prefer to talk about sex,especially the emotional side of it, with their parents.
At the very least, if you suspect it's happening you don't encourage it.You certainly don't allow an underage girl to share abed with her boyfriend - - any more than you think it's okay for your sons to be sexually experienced but not your daughters.
I'm not naive enough to believe all of the above will prevent either drug taking or young kids having sex.But if they know you don't approve it gives a reason to say,'No'.
Being able to blame your mum and dad is a useful tool.
What you don't much careyou don'tWhat you don't much care what they get up to.
Jodi's mum did care but it still didn't prevent what happened to Jodi when she met death.Nothing could have saved her.
Luke Mitchell's mother on the other hand failed Jodi and failed Luke as well.
Even if Luke had not butchered Jodi, her son was clearly deeply disturbed as well as disturbing. He needed help.
Smoking the occasional joint and having sex may be relatively normal but using large quantities of cannabis and supplying his friends was not. Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, was keeping bottles of urine under his bed,normal.
But then what normal mother would buy her sona knife?
By apparently covering up the murder, Corinne did Luke no favours.
She merely prolonged the inevitable and subjected Jodi's family to even more grief.
Mitchell may have convinced herself that she acted out of mother love but it wasa perversion of that noble emotion.She defiled it. Her refusal to see wrong in her son let directly to Jodi's death.
Corinne too is guilty. As for Jodi,she wasa young girl. Her sole mistake was to fall for Luke Mitchell - and she paid a terrible price.
May she rest in peace - - and may Luke Mitchell rot.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Killing+of+Jodi+Jones%3A+We+must+all+realise+that+sex+and+drugs+did...-a0127488522
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“The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall”
There was more than one break in the wall
There was indeed but I think we all know what break they meant.
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The Killing of Jodi Jones: We must all realise that sex and drugs did not murder Jodi
by Joan Burnie 2005
JODI JONES, it was said at Luke Mitchell's trial, was a normal, average 14-year-old.
She went to school.She liked the music of Kurt Cobain.She had rows with her mum.But Jodi loved her mum and her mum loved Jodi.
Jodi also had sex with Luke Mitchell - and she smoked cannabis.That,however,doesn't make her any less normal a teenager.
Kids do have sex before the law says they should - just as kids also experiment with illegal substances.
The statistics tell us that by Jodi's age approximately half of all teenagers will be sexually active anda similar number will have tried drugs at least once.
But let no-one suggest that because Jodi did both these things she is somehow less of a victim than say, Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman,who were murdered by Ian Huntley.
No one deserves what happened to Jodi.
Sex,soft drugs - it's the way they live now.
So those least likely to be surprised,far less shocked by Jodi's life style will be her own generation.
They,unlike too many of their mums and dads,know exactly what goes on.Even if they don't do it themselves, they'll know plenty who behaved like Jodi.
Kids grow up terrifyingly quickly these days.But one thing hasn't changed - like all teenagers they think they know it all.
Unfortunately they don't. In many ways,they are just as innocent,or maybe the better word is ignorant, as kids always have been.
Joan's Juniors has given mea slight insight to their lives.So I know they believe they can handle drugs. They don't see it as much of a problem and, indeed, think adults are hypocrites to condemn it when they drink and smoke.
To many, cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or nicotine.
As for sex - that in itself doesn't worry them too much.By10,most of them know the mechanics in theory if not in practice.
It's love which gets them down.They wish for it above all else.Sadly some,especially girls, have got it into their heads that they won't get that love unless they agree to sex first.So should we panic?
Maybe not.Most of those who have passed a spliff around behind the bike shed won't go on to become addicts.That doesn't imply parents need do nothing but cross their fingers and turn a blind eye.Parents have to be parents not pals and that means telling kids what they can or cannot do as well as laying down some rules and limits.
You discuss drugs.You stress the dangers - and point out that drugs are illegal.
Much the same goes for sex.Too many parents won't talk about it, either through misplaced embarrassment or because they think it's best left to the schools.
That isn't nearly enough. Apart from anything else,kids say they would prefer to talk about sex,especially the emotional side of it, with their parents.
At the very least, if you suspect it's happening you don't encourage it.You certainly don't allow an underage girl to share abed with her boyfriend - - any more than you think it's okay for your sons to be sexually experienced but not your daughters.
I'm not naive enough to believe all of the above will prevent either drug taking or young kids having sex.But if they know you don't approve it gives a reason to say,'No'.
Being able to blame your mum and dad is a useful tool.
What you don't much careyou don'tWhat you don't much care what they get up to.
Jodi's mum did care but it still didn't prevent what happened to Jodi when she met death.Nothing could have saved her.
Luke Mitchell's mother on the other hand failed Jodi and failed Luke as well.
Even if Luke had not butchered Jodi, her son was clearly deeply disturbed as well as disturbing. He needed help.
Smoking the occasional joint and having sex may be relatively normal but using large quantities of cannabis and supplying his friends was not. Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, was keeping bottles of urine under his bed,normal.
But then what normal mother would buy her sona knife?
By apparently covering up the murder, Corinne did Luke no favours.
She merely prolonged the inevitable and subjected Jodi's family to even more grief.
Mitchell may have convinced herself that she acted out of mother love but it wasa perversion of that noble emotion.She defiled it. Her refusal to see wrong in her son let directly to Jodi's death.
Corinne too is guilty. As for Jodi,she wasa young girl. Her sole mistake was to fall for Luke Mitchell - and she paid a terrible price.
May she rest in peace - - and may Luke Mitchell rot.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Killing+of+Jodi+Jones%3A+We+must+all+realise+that+sex+and+drugs+did...-a0127488522
I wouldn’t take any notice. The same journalists, or their like, who demonised Luke then will beg for exclusives when his conviction is eventually quashed. It’s the nature of the game.
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Part 161 - WAP A Forum That Did The Very Thing It Was Titled As, Wrongly Accusing Multiple People
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/10/killer-luke-mitchell-wap-a-forum-that-did-the-very-thing-it-was-titled-as-wrongly-accusing-multiple-people-part-159/
Part 162 - Pretend Criminologist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Sandra Lean’s Latest Smears & Attack On Murder Victims Gran
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/14/killer-luke-mitchell-pretend-criminologist-innocence-fraud-pusher-sandra-leans-latest-smears-attack-on-murder-victims-gran-part-162/
Part 163 - Killer Luke Mitchell: The Untold Truth II
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/18/killer-luke-mitchell-these-times-events-cannot-be-altered-at-all-part-163/
Part 164 - Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions
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Sandra Lean (2 months ago)
@Raddimus McChoyber Don't apologise - I think many people don't realise the multiple differences between the two systems. For example, I'm regularly accused of "cherry picking" or "hiding" evidence because I don't put all the statements, transcripts, etc, online, in full. The fact is, in Scotland, I can't. The definition of disclosure of evidence to "third parties" essentially means that evidence can only be disclosed, in full, to those actively working on the case for legal proceedings (e.g. an application to the SCCRC or Court of Appeal) - the general public does not meet the definition of "third party" and disclosure to those people is prohibited. The best I can do is quote excerpts from documents, and even then, it's a fine line
More lies
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Why has this con women never published killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page statement - which was read out during his trial -along with the prosecutions opening/closing speech
Along with the judges summing up?
This was a public trial
(‘The statement, read in court by the detective’ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409505.boy-friend-tells-how-dog-found-jodi-accused-said-he-recognised-girlfriends-bloody-body/)
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Sandra Lean (2 months ago)
@Raddimus McChoyber Don't apologise - I think many people don't realise the multiple differences between the two systems. For example, I'm regularly accused of "cherry picking" or "hiding" evidence because I don't put all the statements, transcripts, etc, online, in full. The fact is, in Scotland, I can't. The definition of disclosure of evidence to "third parties" essentially means that evidence can only be disclosed, in full, to those actively working on the case for legal proceedings (e.g. an application to the SCCRC or Court of Appeal) - the general public does not meet the definition of "third party" and disclosure to those people is prohibited. The best I can do is quote excerpts from documents, and even then, it's a fine line
More lies
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Why has this con women never published killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page statement - which was read out during his -along with the prosecutions opening/closing speech
Along with the judges summing up?
This was a public trial
trial (‘The statement, read in court by the detective’ https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409505.boy-friend-tells-how-dog-found-jodi-accused-said-he-recognised-girlfriends-bloody-body/)
Liar Corinne Mitchell sat beside her killer son while he gave his 22 page written statement
This 22 page statement was read out in open court during the psycho killers trial by a police officer
Note the word ‘written’ statement and no mention of those tape recorders liar Corinne Mitchell referred to - where she said her tape was ‘labelled witness’ and her killer sons ‘tape’ was ‘labelled suspect’
What ‘tapes’ were you referring to Corinne?
(Lies to protect a (killer) son https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html)
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Matt Elliott
Kellie Mellis Byrne Luke’s team are looking into the destruction of evidence and what/what isn’t available to test. The petition was turned down by the Advocate, but this is far from over. For the first time in a long time Luke has a much stronger position to fight for.
Killer Luke Mitchell is going nowhere
And his recorded telephone conversations with Sandra Lean (published by Naomi Channell) demonstrate he has not addressed his aggression and remains a serious and dangerous high risk offender
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Matt Elliott
Kellie Mellis Byrne Luke’s team are looking into the destruction of evidence and what/what isn’t available to test. The petition was turned down by the Advocate, but this is far from over. For the first time in a long time Luke has a much stronger position to fight for.
Killer Luke Mitchell is going nowhere
And his recorded telephone conversations with Sandra Lean (published by Naomi Channell) demonstrate he has not addressed his aggression and remains a serious and dangerous high risk offender
Another killer called Gerald Rowatt (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30416570 https://www.thefreelibrary.com/9+years+for+brolly+killer.-a0132956912 ) is ‘supporting’ psycho killer Luke Mitchell
Are all these killers monitored under MAPPA (https://www.gov.scot/policies/reducing-reoffending/public-protection-multi-agency-public-protection-arrangements-mappa/) ?
(Rowatt commented here https://youtu.be/bYY8aMFc7yw https://youtube.com/@gerryrowatt3012)
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Innocence fraudster Sandra Lean in 2023
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw
in 2007/08 👇
‘From the accounts of all three family members, Luke stayed at the other side of the wall whilst Stephen Kelly went over, then returned to the path, then Alice Walker went over the wall.
Above excerpt from 1st discredited book No Smoke
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‘From the accounts of all three family members, Luke stayed at the other side of the wall whilst Stephen Kelly went over, then returned to the path, then Alice Walker went over the wall.
Above excerpt from 1st discredited book No Smoke
14 years old and showed no fear by staying over the other side of that wall
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Innocence fraudster Sandra Lean in 2023
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in 2007/08 👇
‘From the accounts of all three family members, Luke stayed at the other side of the wall whilst Stephen Kelly went over, then returned to the path, then Alice Walker went over the wall.
Above excerpt from 1st discredited book No Smoke
Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw
‘No one else’ except for killer Luke Mitchell
What did his 22 page written statement - which was read during open court - say ?
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Sandra Lean
…and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived
If this happened wouldn’t killer Luke Mitchell have told the police?
Sandra Lean
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall
What did killer Luke Mitchell say?
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Innocence fraudster Sandra Lean in 2023
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in 2007/08 👇
‘From the accounts of all three family members, Luke stayed at the other side of the wall whilst Stephen Kelly went over, then returned to the path, then Alice Walker went over the wall.
Above excerpt from 1st discredited book No Smoke
Was killer Luke Mitchell also the last person behind that wall
If he helped Alice Walker on the way over - wouldn’t he have then helped her on the way back?
Steven Kelly was already back on the path
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived.
By all accounts it appears killer Luke Mitchell was the last person behind the wall
Did he ‘poke’ Jodi Jones with ‘a big f***** stick’?
”I will embrace and stab it with a big f*****' stick.
~ killer Luke Mitchell
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Corinne Mitchell sat with her killer son for five plus hours whilst he gave his 22 page written statement on the 1st of July 2003 at Dalkeith police statement
What date did she make her first statement?
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Corinne Mitchell sat with her killer son for five plus hours whilst he gave his 22 page written statement on the 1st of July 2003 at Dalkeith police statement
Killer Luke Mitchell stated in his first witness statement that “he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion”
Corinne Mitchell would have known he was lying when he stated this
And according to his last telephone call with his mother at 00:30hrs he stated ‘I can't talk, I have to go’
Text from Corinne Mitchell to her killer son Luke Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”
Corinne Mitchell evidence during the trial
“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble
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Mr Turnbull: 'Did Luke go out again about 10pm to dispose of anything?' Mrs Mitchell: 'No.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Is it just coincidence he was seen a little after 10pm walking back to your house?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'Luke was in the house at that time.'
She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: “I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Mrs Mitchell: 'I didn't know.'
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Mr Turnbull: 'Did Luke go out again about 10pm to dispose of anything?' Mrs Mitchell: 'No.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Is it just coincidence he was seen a little after 10pm walking back to your house?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'Luke was in the house at that time.'
She then revealed that Mitchell phoned her at 12.30am after Jodi's body had been found but he never mentioned that.
She said: “I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble. He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' 'He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, 'I can't tell you.' 'I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him.'
Mr Turnbull: 'Luke calls you twice and didn't tell you what had happened to Jodi?'
Mrs Mitchell: 'That's right.' Mr Turnbull: 'Because, Mrs Mitchell, you already knew.'
Mrs Mitchell: 'I didn't know.'
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t give evidence during his trial - meaning Alan Turnbull couldn’t question him
Instead he questioned Corinne Mitchell
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Sandra Lean to James English in 2019
“The reason I put the book out is if I was forced to give up - so if anything happened to me - I don’t think there’s anyone else in Scotland got the level of knowledge of the case that I’ve got
And the idea was put everything I know in there and if anybody else wants to come along - the informations there
What about that 22 page witness statement killer Luke Mitchell made while his mother Corinne Mitchell sat next to him at Dalkeith police station ?
Why did you choose to not include it in your book Sandra?
You knew the media hadn’t published it in full - even though it was read out in open court
And you weren’t ‘prohibited’ from writing about the evidence heard during the public trial
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It is all very sad at points, the people who actually have joined into taken this innocence claim seriously are not aware of the deception at play to gain their support.
This video on ‘undue influence’, ‘cults’ and ‘predators’ with Steven Hassan is interesting
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https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/combatting-cult-mind-control
as is this on Steven Hassan by Cathleen Mann https://cultexperts.medium.com/ethical-concerns-raised-on-steven-hassans-book-on-cults-1f6133f63d9f
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Corinne Mitchell sat with her killer son for five plus hours whilst he gave his 22 page written statement on the 1st of July 2003 at Dalkeith police statement
What date did she make her first statement?
Corinne Mitchell obviously couldn’t make a statement at the same time as her killer son Luke Mitchell
So why did she choose to tell James English the story about the tapes, labels and suspect/witness ?
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
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What exactly did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about Alice Walker?
He was obviously the only person over the other side of the wall when Steven Kelly and Alice Walker climbed over
And why did he choose to stay over that side of the wall with them both?
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14 years old and showed no fear by staying over the other side of that wall
The Mitchells repeatedly handed over false accounts to the police - There is nothing placing LM home at 10:50pm and everything to show us that his mother knew nothing at this point of speaking with JuJ's, nor of any claim of making ones way to Easthouses.
Makes sense doesn’t it and the reason why killer Luke Mitchell was not accompanied by Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell
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When James English asked Corinne Mitchell about the day her killer son Luke Mitchell committed his murder and about ‘how was things with Luke and his mindset’ that day Corinne states;
‘It was just a normal, normal Monday’ she then veers off talking about a ‘tractor’, ‘chores’ and him ‘cutting the grass’ and how he apparently had ‘discovered he loved cooking’
Corinne Mitchell goes out of her way to avoid answering James English’s question
What Corinne Mitchell doesn’t tell James English is that she hadn’t seen her killer son Luke all day or night
What stands out - and is quite apparent - is that Corinne Mitchell did not want to talk about that day. She appeared detached from it - emotionally and psychologically
That day killer Luke Mitchell had apparently been to school but Corinne avoids stating this
Why?
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Sandra Lean
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
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The lies are astronomical
Corinne Mitchell also stated to James English;
‘The granny actually cradled her’
This is yet more made up nonsense
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Liar Corinne Mitchell sat beside her killer son while he gave his 22 page written statement
This 22 page statement was read out in open court during the psycho killers trial by a police officer
Note the word ‘written’ statement and no mention of those tape recorders liar Corinne Mitchell referred to - where she said her tape was ‘labelled witness’ and her killer sons ‘tape’ was ‘labelled suspect’
What ‘tapes’ were you referring to Corinne?
(Lies to protect a (killer) son https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html)
Was it during that TV show where Corinne Mitchell lied about made up labels ?
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Corinne Mitchell lied to James English about David High and David Tulloch telling James they didn’t give evidence during the trial, when they did
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Corinne Mitchell lied to James English saying she didn’t give evidence until the last day of the trial
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Thora Allan
Why did Findlay not successfully tear apart the eye witness testimony?
It was one of the 3 central planks of the case.
Or was it the jury just believing AB despite not being able to identify him in court?
Sandra Lean
He actually did a pretty good job with the eyewitness testimony, but the jury didn't seem to grasp the significance of it
Thora Allan
Sandra Lean I didn’t think that you could get much better than the eyewitnesses failing to identify the accused as the person she saw… how the jury didn’t grasp that is beyond me.
Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think we all thought it was over at that point. The other two "eyewitnesses" were torn to shreds by DF - the fact that they made their ID's from newspaper pictures the police brought them, the fact that they admitted knowing they weren't supposed to discuss those with each other, but did anyway, the ridiculous story that appeared for the first time at court about the male pushing back his hair so that one of them could see one of his eyes in a rearview mirror - I don't know how that whole scenario wasn't literally laughed out of court
Sandra Lean did NOT attend each and every 42 days of killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder!
Why does she attempt to give the impression she was there?
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Sandra Lean
Thora Allan I think it goes to show how well the jury had been "primed" by the relentless media coverage..
The only people who have been ‘primed’ are all those people who have been duped by this innocence fraud
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The only people who have been ‘primed’ are all those people who have been duped by this innocence fraud
Is SL still a hypnotherapist? Maybe she did a free session with everyone that bought her book? Has she ever publicly expressed an interest in the occult?
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Is SL still a hypnotherapist? Maybe she did a free session with everyone that bought her book? Has she ever publicly expressed an interest in the occult?
Didn’t Sandra Lean refer to herself as a witch on Facebook after allegedly receiving a message from someone calling out her fraud
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Look at her bare faced lies
Craig Hat
Sandra so there was no pre-arranged meetings between luke and Jodie at 5 the night of the murder and the body was found about midnight ??
Sandra Lean
Craig Hat There was no meeting whatsoever arranged for 5pm that evening - the texts were never recovered, but previous evidence suggests that they normally met up about 6pm. The texts arranging to meet that night were never recovered. Jodi's body was found just before 11.38pm
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0K[Name removed]HZRaA9jRSx5V9tx3bSwp1kkp55mdqfWzNPoQb6J9R46TrGjq9vYdmUKnc6Y4sl&id=1011563515
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Sandra Lean
Why did Alice repeatedly try to claim (in the early days) that an arrangement had been made with Luke to meet him at the path when there were no calls or texts between Luke and any of the other searchers? And why did she drop those claims in her later statements, after the call logs showed there was no communication?
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Is SL still a hypnotherapist? Maybe she did a free session with everyone that bought her book? Has she ever publicly expressed an interest in the occult?
Yes
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Yes
I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds. In fact I think she probably rehearses it.
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Liar Corinne Mitchell sat beside her killer son while he gave his 22 page written statement
This 22 page statement was read out in open court during the psycho killers trial by a police officer
Note the word ‘written’ statement and no mention of those tape recorders liar Corinne Mitchell referred to - where she said her tape was ‘labelled witness’ and her killer sons ‘tape’ was ‘labelled suspect’
What ‘tapes’ were you referring to Corinne?
(Lies to protect a (killer) son https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html)
It was in Part 1 of MIAST where Corinne Mitchell lied about the above
Killer Luke Mitchell gave a 22 page written statement on the 1st July 2003.
Corrine sat next to him whilst he gave his statement in Dalkeith police station
Only one of them gave a statement at this time
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I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds.
She does
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I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds. In fact I think she probably rehearses it.
Most definitely
An example 👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA
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Most definitely
An example 👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA
She talks about ‘killers living in our community’ in the above
Where do people think killers live when they are released from prison - in our communities!
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Most definitely
An example 👇
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA
At 7:58 Sandra Lean’s ‘subliminal actions’ - or not quite so ‘subliminal actions’ - are so see through
She claimed ‘in my case.. never realised the significance of..’… ‘little tiny details that can change the entire narrative’ blah blah BS BS
Sandra Lean
Why did Alice decide the search trio should go directly to the path (as her own and Janine's statements say she did)? They were supposed to believe Jodi was hanging out in Easthouses/Mayfield. "We just did,” as Alice answered in court, isn't really an answer.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KJ JHZRaA9jRSx5V9tx3bSwp1kkp55mdqfWzNPoQb6J9R46TrGjq9vYdmUKnc6Y4sl&id=1011563515
Bare faced liar Sandra Lean and her ‘little tiny details’
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Sandra claimed in that YouTube video (at approx 8.35 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA) it was Janine Jones who said “we weren’t going all the way to Newbattle we were only going to the path” and “thank you Janine for the truth” and “the trial should have stopped right there”
In her Facebook post above from the 2nd May 2021 she attributes ‘we just did’ to Alice Walker
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As usual she gives no context to any of it claiming “the trial should have stopped right there”
Why should the trial have stopped right there Sandra ?
Have you ever put this to a qualified lawyer?
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Total ramblef**kery
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Sandra Lean
Why did Alice decide the search trio should go directly to the path (as her own and Janine's statements say she did)? They were supposed to believe Jodi was hanging out in Easthouses/Mayfield "We just did,” as Alice answered in court, isn't really an answer.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KJ JHZRaA9jRSx5V9tx3bSwp1kkp55mdqfWzNPoQb6J9R46TrGjq9vYdmUKnc6Y4sl&id=1011563515
Why were they ‘supposed’ to believe this Sandra Lean?
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I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds. In fact I think she probably rehearses it.
She looked like she rehearsed that ➡️ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA) performance
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At 7:58 Sandra Lean’s ‘subliminal actions’ - or not quite so ‘subliminal actions’ - are so see through
She claimed ‘in my case.. never realised the significance of..’… ‘little tiny details that can change the entire narrative’ blah blah BS BS
Sandra Lean
Why did Alice decide the search trio should go directly to the path (as her own and Janine's statements say she did)? They were supposed to believe Jodi was hanging out in Easthouses/Mayfield. "We just did,” as Alice answered in court, isn't really an answer.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KJ JHZRaA9jRSx5V9tx3bSwp1kkp55mdqfWzNPoQb6J9R46TrGjq9vYdmUKnc6Y4sl&id=1011563515
Bare faced liar Sandra Lean and her ‘little tiny details’
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Sandra claimed in that YouTube video (at approx 8.35 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA) it was Janine Jones who said “we weren’t going all the way to Newbattle we were only going to the path” and “thank you Janine for the truth” and “the trial should have stopped right there”
In her Facebook post above from the 2nd May 2021 she attributes ‘we just did’ to Alice Walker
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As usual she gives no context to any of it claiming “the trial should have stopped right there”
Why should the trial have stopped right there Sandra ?
Have you ever put this to a qualified lawyer?
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Total ramblef**kery
Context is the key as usual Nicholas - They were going to search a path with, and led there by LM, that was the thought process at that point, rapidly led into a sequence of events by him. The question a feeble attempt by DF to combat what had been put forth around LM, that he had a five minute walk to the path from where he claimed to idle around, that he had no thought process of searching anywhere but that path, that when upon that path his thought process instantly went to that wall/the woods. He was the ONLY one with the knowledge (fallacy) of a girl walking that five minute walk to where he claimed to be waiting. Completely blind to this at that point.
Shown, that had they actually gotten to the end of that path after searching it, then their thought process of any next move would have had the opportunity of being applied, they didn't get an opportunity to have further thought process. The feeble application by DF of 'So if it hadn't been for Luke then Jodi would still have been in the woods -----' because he was the 'ONLY ONE to think of looking there----' That dog played virtually no part in his defence, a pointless exercise because he had of course lied, there had been no dog alerting to anything in that woods, LM was not where he attempted to place himself ---- Again, 'if it hadn't been for Luke (not the dog), going to the path and nowhere else, then going to the woods, Jodi would not have been found ---------- Again, shown clearly in it's full context that the defence were trying to credit LM's good thinking with this. Scraping to combat that special knowledge!
But and again, the trouble with taken something and completely applying the wrong context to it. Path, only the path, then wall, the brief look into the woods, then the next break and up and over. No more than 6mins to no more than 10-20secs.
That they most certainly did not just think of any path before going there, calls had been made to people to carry out the checks advised, the bog standard checks of making sure. There was no 'up here' - AW, JaJ's and SK did not know that Jodi had told her mother they would be "mucking around up here" Again context! All they knew was that LM had told Jodi's mother he had not seen her, that she failed to turn up, that he was going to the path, working through the motions of, and again, what can only be applied as a rapid series of events, fully led by LM.
Less than 1hr from start to finish, less than 52mins until he was shouting out from those woods - There is no applying what was known afterwards beforehand - The utter nonsense of all their focus should have been "up here" What planet do these people actually live on, constantly swallowing up nonsense without even trying to actually analyse. Only supposed to have been with that boy, him stating she had not turned up down there, instantly feeding the path to search. As has been highlighted, Jodi's mother frantic, her own mother trying to calm her down, contacting the police because she clearly thought something was seriously wrong, that it was not of character for the young girl to not have been with her boyfriend all evening ----- Which is the evidence led, and you can bet there is hell of lot more to this, the rest of the actual context instead of cherry picking parts and adding a false narrative to it, applying all that is not reality.
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Fraudster Sandra Lean did NOT attend each and every 42 days of killer Luke Mitchell’s trial for his murder!
Why does she attempt to give the impression she was there?
Exactly and as we hear Faith mimicking on repeat - All this annihilation, of what took place, zone in on defence reports leaving out the full context of the evidence around each witness, which is what a Jury took on board, not the fallacy and fantasy applied by these enablers. - But then, when one is using DEFENCE papers along with media reports, it's the only way to make it sound, absolutely no concept of the full context, of what was accepted as the evidence over a defence NOT being able to produce enough doubt.
People constantly answering their own query - This 'I cannot believe -------' Keep saying it and you may just click that one cannot believe because it is false! Far from reality as is possible ----
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Exactly and as we hear Faith mimicking on repeat - All this annihilation, of what took place, zone in on defence reports leaving out the full context of the evidence around each witness, which is what a Jury took on board, not the fallacy and fantasy applied by these enablers.
Shocking, but not surprising, John Scott chose to be involved in that sham of a TV show
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and you can bet there is hell of lot more to this, the rest of the actual context instead of cherry picking parts and adding a false narrative to it, applying all that is not reality.
Definitely
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Liar Corinne Mitchell sat beside her killer son while he gave his 22 page written statement
This 22 page statement was read out in open court during the psycho killers trial by a police officer
Note the word ‘written’ statement and no mention of those tape recorders liar Corinne Mitchell referred to - where she said her tape was ‘labelled witness’ and her killer sons ‘tape’ was ‘labelled suspect’
What ‘tapes’ were you referring to Corinne?
(Lies to protect a (killer) son https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1481697/Lies-to-protect-a-son.html)
My mistake - it was ‘marked’ NOT labelled
What Corinne Mitchell actually said during that TV show (early on in part 1) was the following;
“Then we were questioned about that night, they tape your conversations and my tape was marked witness and then I noticed Luke’s tape was marked suspect
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If as Corinne Mitchell stated killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page statement was recorded via ’tape’ why wasn’t this ‘tape’ played to the jury during his trial?
“Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, said that Mr Mitchell wrote a statement which ran to 22 pages.
“The statement, read in court by the detective, continued:
He was perfectly calm throughout the time it took to take that statement
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When James English asked Corinne Mitchell about the day her killer son Luke Mitchell committed his murder and about ‘how was things with Luke and his mindset’ that day Corinne states;
‘It was just a normal, normal Monday’ she then veers off talking about a ‘tractor’, ‘chores’ and him ‘cutting the grass’ and how he apparently had ‘discovered he loved cooking’
Corinne Mitchell goes out of her way to avoid answering James English’s question
What Corinne Mitchell doesn’t tell James English is that she hadn’t seen her killer son Luke all day or night
What stands out - and is quite apparent - is that Corinne Mitchell did not want to talk about that day. She appeared detached from it - emotionally and psychologically
That day killer Luke Mitchell had apparently been to school but Corinne avoids stating this
Why?
During the TV show Corinne Mitchell refers to that day as;
“A very very ordinary Monday it couldn’t have been more ordinary”
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Corinne Mitchell lies by omission and doesn’t point out the fact she didn’t see her killer son Luke Mitchell that day
And there’s no mention of whether or not Killer Luke Mitchell was at school
Nothing
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What Corinne Mitchell actually said during that TV show (early on in part 1) was the following;
“Then we were questioned about that night, they tape your conversations and my tape was marked witness and then I noticed Luke’s tape was marked suspect
If the above were true - why hasn’t con woman Sandra Lean published killer Luke Mitchell’s tape?
And why didn’t that TV show play these alleged tapes?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘Newspaper photographs of him being driven away from the school by his mother claimed he was making "obscene hand gestures" to reporters, yet the photograph in question clearly shows him reaching back for his seat belt.
Killer Luke Mitchell used the same ‘hand gesture’ as psycho killer Damien Echols
https://twitter.com/InnocenceFraudW/status/1565339184599949314
Killer Luke Mitchell was being driven from his home NOT from ‘the school’ as liar Sandra Lean claimed in her book
And it’s clear from the clip here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_9R4BxpUPo4 at around 7:54 he was NOT ‘reaching back for his sets belt’
It’s clear from the above clip he made more than one ‘obscene hand gesture’
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsiViNiPGA)
Context is the key as usual Nicholas
Sandra Lean stated in that video (link above)
“I’ve been asked more times than I can count - “what if you’re wrong”
Who exactly has asked Sandra Lean this?
I have never seen anyone ask her this question!?
Was she referring to - her daughters?
And why did she choose to include this question in that video?
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Ana Azaria
Thank you for the informative post Mikey. The police won't interview anyone because they consider the case to be closed/that the right person is in jail. An independent review could allow the case to be looked at again, but the Lord advocate rejected the petition for the review. The petition will remain open though, we can still get more signatures and raise more awareness of the case.
You aren’t raising ‘awareness’ Ana!
What you are doing is putting lies, disinformation and misinformation into the public domain on behalf of an actually, factually guilty killer and his lying enablers - fraudsters Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes
And you have no idea exactly what was said during the 42 day trial and you also don’t have a clue about all the evidence against the killer
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Psycho killer Luke Mitchell
“I was the local weirdo”
Why?
Was did killer Luke say this?
His mother Corinne Mitchell referred to her killer son as ‘normal’ but he stated he was the local weirdo - why didn’t Corinne say the same as her killer son?
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Sandra Lean stated in that video (link above)
“I’ve been asked more times than I can count - “what if you’re wrong”
Who exactly has asked Sandra Lean this?
I have never seen anyone ask her this question!?
Was she referring to - her daughters?
And why did she choose to include this question in that video?
Who exactly has asked Sandra Lean this question?
“what if you’re wrong”
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Sandra Lean
Why did Alice decide the search trio should go directly to the path
Alice Walker made it clear during the killer of her granddaughter Jodi Jones trial
“She says: ”The only place I could think to go was the path because that was the last place Jodi was going. Judith texted or phoned to say Luke was at the other end of the path.'
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Psycho killer Luke Mitchell
“I was the local weirdo”
Why?
Was did killer Luke say this?
His mother Corinne Mitchell referred to her killer son as ‘normal’ but he stated he was the local weirdo - why didn’t Corinne say the same as her killer son?
“disgusting, smelly squalor”
The words used to describe killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom
“The room was extremely cluttered and many items were lying on the bed.
A duvet was lying on the floor and that appeared to be where Mitchell slept.
She came across cannabis, scales, pipes and a multi-tool
The court is shown a knife pouch with the initials '[Name removed]', the numerals '666' and the dates '1989-2003' inscribed on it.
The empty pouch was found in Luke Mitchell's bedroom on the day he was arrested by police and questioned over Jodi's death
PC Dow is shown the knife pouch and says she did not find the knife that would have fitted in it.
She says the pouch had a shape of a fish stamped on it. Showing the pouch to the court on a large screen, advocate depute Alan Turnbull QC says: 'There seem to be three numerals... three sixes.'
PC Dow adds that the numbers appear to have been written in biro pen.
Alan Turnbull then shows the court the reverse side of the pouch which also had the numbers 666 written on it.
One of Killer Luke Mitchell’s favourites movies the ‘The Omen’
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Sandra Lean has recently stated she didn’t know what the text messages between Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell said.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police he had invited Jodi Jones to his house ‘to muck about’ and that Jodi Jones had allegedly replied saying, ‘Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever’
‘’LUKE MITCHELL thought that Jodi had 'changed her mind' about a date with him on the night she died, the court is told
Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, says that Mitchell told him he wasn't worried when she failed to show up. But he never mentioned the fact that he had phoned Jodi's stepdad to ask where she was.
The detective explains that Luke told him he had invited her to his house 'to muck about'.
She texted back: 'Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever.'
The court has already heard evidence that Mitchell spoke to Jodi's stepdad Allen Ovens just over an hour later and was told she had left the house to meet him.
DC Towers tells the court Mitchell told him: 'I didn't worry about why Jodi had not appeared. She was like a missing space but I just thought she had changed her mind.'
The police officer explains that at the time of questioning Mitchell he didn't know about the phone call to Jodi's house, so couldn't ask him about it.
He adds that Mitchell said that he met up with some other pals and returned home at about 9.35pm.
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Sandra Lean has recently stated she didn’t know what the text messages between Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell said.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police he had invited Jodi Jones to his house ‘to muck about’ and that Jodi Jones had allegedly replied saying, ‘Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever’
‘’LUKE MITCHELL thought that Jodi had 'changed her mind' about a date with him on the night she died, the court is told
Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, says that Mitchell told him he wasn't worried when she failed to show up. But he never mentioned the fact that he had phoned Jodi's stepdad to ask where she was.
The detective explains that Luke told him he had invited her to his house 'to muck about'.
She texted back: 'Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever.'
The court has already heard evidence that Mitchell spoke to Jodi's stepdad Allen Ovens just over an hour later and was told she had left the house to meet him.
DC Towers tells the court Mitchell told him: 'I didn't worry about why Jodi had not appeared. She was like a missing space but I just thought she had changed her mind.'
The police officer explains that at the time of questioning Mitchell he didn't know about the phone call to Jodi's house, so couldn't ask him about it.
He adds that Mitchell said that he met up with some other pals and returned home at about 9.35pm.
Killer Luke Mitchell was telling different people different things
He told Judith Jones the reason he didn’t phone back was because he thought she had been grounded
*&^^&
‘In the days following Jodi's death, Mrs Jones twice visited Mr Mitchell's home. The first time was to comfort him, she said. The second visit was after police searched the Mitchell household. ''There was something I had to ask him. It had been in my mind all week,'' she said. ''Why did you not phone me back that night? He said: 'Because I thought you had grounded her.''
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Sandra Lean published a letter by psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell in 2012
An excerpt from the letter read;
“I couldn’t. I couldn’t bring myself to go back over the wall”
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell spent the longest time over the other side of that wall that night
He didn’t suddenly climb back over to the path side of the wall - he stayed over on the other side while Steven Kelly climbed over
Steven Kelly said he was almost sick when killer Luke Mitchell took him to show him Jodi Jones body
Steven climbed back over the wall but the psycho killer stayed where he was
He stayed over the other side of that wall and helped Alice Walker over, taking her down to show her what he’d showed Steven
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Judith Jones evidence was that Jodi Jones and psycho killer Luke Mitchell
‘would sometimes meet up at the entrance of the Roan's Dyke path, but Jodi had been warned that she was not allowed to use the walkway, the court heard.
Mrs Jones said: "She wasn't allowed to go that short cut on her own.
The pair would usually make arrangements to meet by text message and Jodi would sometimes visit Luke's house. Jodi was usually a good timekeeper who would observe curfews imposed by her mother, the court heard."
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Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell is dangerous - as is Sandra Lean
The malicious lies, intentional disinformation and misinformation in the public domain - which all leads back to Sandra Lean is criminal
’Judith Jones, 39, entered the witness box on the seventh day of the murder trial at the High Court in Edinburgh.
‘Mrs Jones said her family, including her son Joseph, 21, and daughter Janine, 19, were hit hard by the suicide of their father, Gerry in 1998. Mrs Jones found him hanging from a tree in their garden.
She also said that Jodi and the rest of the family had found it difficult to cope with Joseph's paranoia which he was being treated for.
She said: "It was quite difficult at times. It became quite frustrating at times for all of us."
‘Jodi would see Mitchell "a couple of times a week" after she began going out with him in spring 2003 and moved on to seeing him "most nights", Mrs Jones said.
The two teenagers would sometimes meet up at the entrance of the Roan's Dyke path, but Jodi had been warned that she was not allowed to use the walkway, the court heard.
Mrs Jones said: "She wasn't allowed to go that short cut on her own."
LIARS & ABUSERS: Killer Luke Mitchell, Scott Forbes & Sandra Lean & How Easily They Lie To Cause Harm To Other Human Life (Part 138)
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Sandra Lean August 2022
My kids were out in the garden, I was on the porch reading a book at about 7pm after a glorious day of sunshine, when the heavens suddenly (and unexpectedly) opened - maybe JoF had better weather instincts than most?
Did both of Sandra Lean’s ‘kids’ live with her in June 2003?
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Context is the key as usual Nicholas - They were going to search a path with, and led there by LM, that was the thought process at that point, rapidly led into a sequence of events by him. The question a feeble attempt by DF to combat what had been put forth around LM, that he had a five minute walk to the path from where he claimed to idle around, that he had no thought process of searching anywhere but that path, that when upon that path his thought process instantly went to that wall/the woods. He was the ONLY one with the knowledge (fallacy) of a girl walking that five minute walk to where he claimed to be waiting. Completely blind to this at that point.
Shown, that had they actually gotten to the end of that path after searching it, then their thought process of any next move would have had the opportunity of being applied, they didn't get an opportunity to have further thought process. The feeble application by DF of 'So if it hadn't been for Luke then Jodi would still have been in the woods -----' because he was the 'ONLY ONE to think of looking there----'
Surprised it wasn’t a unanimous guilty verdict
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Shown, that had they actually gotten to the end of that path after searching it, then their thought process of any next move would have had the opportunity of being applied, they didn't get an opportunity to have further thought process.
Nope - the paycho killer couldn’t wait to take them to where he had left Jodi Jones
He also wanted to see how they would react - and suspect he got off on it
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That dog played virtually no part in his defence, a pointless exercise because he had of course lied, there had been no dog alerting to anything in that woods, LM was not where he attempted to place himself ---- Again, 'if it hadn't been for Luke (not the dog), going to the path and nowhere else, then going to the woods, Jodi would not have been found ---------- Again, shown clearly in it's full context that the defence were trying to credit LM's good thinking with this. Scraping to combat that special knowledge!
Yep &
Yep
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But and again, the trouble with taken something and completely applying the wrong context to it. Path, only the path, then wall, the brief look into the woods, then the next break and up and over. No more than 6mins to no more than 10-20secs.
That they most certainly did not just think of any path before going there, calls had been made to people to carry out the checks advised, the bog standard checks of making sure. There was no 'up here' - AW, JaJ's and SK did not know that Jodi had told her mother they would be "mucking around up here" Again context! All they knew was that LM had told Jodi's mother he had not seen her, that she failed to turn up, that he was going to the path, working through the motions of, and again, what can only be applied as a rapid series of events, fully led by LM.
Is the reason Corinne Mitchell has gone quiet because she’s finally come to terms with what her killer son did?
And is that why she no longer visits him?
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Only supposed to have been with that boy, him stating she had not turned up down there, instantly feeding the path to search. As has been highlighted, Jodi's mother frantic, her own mother trying to calm her down, contacting the police because she clearly thought something was seriously wrong, that it was not of character for the young girl to not have been with her boyfriend all evening ----- Which is the evidence led, and you can bet there is hell of lot more to this, the rest of the actual context instead of cherry picking parts and adding a false narrative to it, applying all that is not reality.
And Sandra Lean has done her hardest to attempt to hide the actual facts and evidence with her pointless and harmful nonsense
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What planet do these people actually live on, constantly swallowing up nonsense without even trying to actually analyse.
Many of them have been duped by the reinvented version of Sandra Lean and are not aware of her behaviour(s)
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Exactly and as we hear Faith mimicking on repeat - All this annihilation, of what took place, zone in on defence reports leaving out the full context of the evidence around each witness, which is what a Jury took on board, not the fallacy and fantasy applied by these enablers. - But then, when one is using DEFENCE papers along with media reports, it's the only way to make it sound, absolutely no concept of the full context, of what was accepted as the evidence over a defence NOT being able to produce enough doubt.
People constantly answering their own query - This 'I cannot believe -------' Keep saying it and you may just click that one cannot believe because it is false! Far from reality as is possible ----
Yep
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Sandra Lean has recently stated she didn’t know what the text messages between Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell said.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police he had invited Jodi Jones to his house ‘to muck about’ and that Jodi Jones had allegedly replied saying, ‘Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever’
‘’LUKE MITCHELL thought that Jodi had 'changed her mind' about a date with him on the night she died, the court is told
Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, says that Mitchell told him he wasn't worried when she failed to show up. But he never mentioned the fact that he had phoned Jodi's stepdad to ask where she was.
The detective explains that Luke told him he had invited her to his house 'to muck about'.
She texted back: 'Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever.'
The court has already heard evidence that Mitchell spoke to Jodi's stepdad Allen Ovens just over an hour later and was told she had left the house to meet him.
DC Towers tells the court Mitchell told him: 'I didn't worry about why Jodi had not appeared.She was like a missing space but I just thought she had changed her mind.'
The police officer explains that at the time of questioning Mitchell he didn't know about the phone call to Jodi's house, so couldn't ask him about it.
He adds that Mitchell said that he met up with some other pals and returned home at about 9.35pm.
Has grifter Sandra Lean ever explained this ?
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What planet do these people actually live on, constantly swallowing up nonsense without even trying to actually analyse.
This is a common occurrence and only recently was seen in the Nicola Bulley case. Oh those idiots and conspiracy theorists can only feel shame now if they are capable of such. Open a Facebook page in support of a child murderer and you can be assured that there will be people out there prepared to go against the evidence and the facts.
Nicholas must be best placed of all the people on here to say what it is like to be duped for years by a killer. Dr Sandra Lean has been duped by just about every killer she has ever chosen to support. It is a true saying that knowledge, you may get from books but wisdom is trapped within you.
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This is a common occurrence and only recently was seen in the Nicola Bulley case. Oh those idiots and conspiracy theorists can only feel shame now if they are capable of such. Open a Facebook page in support of a child murderer and you can be assured that there will be people out there prepared to go against the evidence and the facts.
Nicholas must be best placed of all the people on here to say what it is like to be duped for years by a killer.
Sandra Lean has ‘liked’ Dani Justice’s Facebook post below
Dani Justice
Can repost the videos and mean your friends on tik tok will more likely have the video on their for you page so more see the content xD
I’m of the firm view that Sandra Lean is exploiting people like Dani
And highly likely to also be feeding Dani, and people like her, with no end of malicious lies, disinformation and misinformation behind the scenes
Dani Justice has made some interesting comments to me, and others, and the impression I have is she is being manipulated and used by Sandra Lean and brainwashed by her nonsense
Dani Justice strikes me as vulnerable - and people like Sandra Lean exploit peoples mental vulnerabilities imo.
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Sandra Lean has ‘liked’ Dani Justice’s Facebook post below
Dani Justice
Can repost the videos and mean your friends on tik tok will more likely have the video on their for you page so more see the content xD
I’m of the firm view that Sandra Lean is exploiting people like Dani
And highly likely to also be feeding Dani, and people like her, with no end of malicious lies, disinformation and misinformation behind the scenes
Dani Justice has made some interesting comments to me, and others, and the impression I have is she is being manipulated and used by Sandra Lean and brainwashed by her nonsense
Dani Justice strikes me as vulnerable - and people like Sandra Lean exploit peoples mental vulnerabilities imo.
For a supposedly intelligent woman, some of her choices with Billy Middleton and others must be extremely questionable imo.
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For a supposedly intelligent woman, some of her choices with Billy Middleton and others must be extremely questionable imo.
Sandra Lean is no more intelligent than the average person
Her PhD does not equate to intelligence and most definitely not ‘expertise’
She’s a fake who can write and spin a yarn
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For a supposedly intelligent woman, some of her choices with Billy Middleton and others must be extremely questionable imo.
Sandra Lean comes across like a female misogynist
I don’t know what ‘attracted’ Sandra Lean to un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton but it’s possible she saw his ‘usefulness’ to her as a means to an end
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duped for years by a killer
..and innocence fraud and it’s enablers
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What did psycho killer Luke Mitchell mean by the words ‘missing space’ ?
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Is SL still a hypnotherapist?
I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds.
Sandra Lean does appear to have used a plethora of (covert) manipulative tactics and mindf**kery on those people who are easily susceptible to this type of manipulation
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Sandra Lean has ‘liked’ Dani Justice’s Facebook post below
Dani Justice
Can repost the videos and mean your friends on tik tok will more likely have the video on their for you page so more see the content xD
These people really should think twice about promoting hoaxer Sandra Lean’s propaganda
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Lauren McNairn
Sorry I might have tried to post something that wasn’t acceptable the other day. It was just because of the frustration of the corrupt criminal injustice system we have and the fact no politician is willing to speak up. I’ve seen corruption happen first hand against an innocent person in my family . It was not to the extent of lukes injustice but if this can happen at that level to a boy of 15 what chance does anyone have ? There is reform needed from the very top down.
Dani Justice
Lauren McNairn all my support and hugs Lauren. When we have someone close to us who have had even a small experience of the unfair treatment and injustice that Luke and Jodi have had then it can become so emotional and frustrating as you have seen and know exactly what can and does happen to innocent people everywhere. We never know the true scale of just how bad it is unless it happens to you or family :( x
‘unfair treatment and injustice’ ?
*&^^&
Jodi Jones is dead - she was murdered by psycho killer Luke Mitchell
‘innocent people everywhere’?
Doesn’t Dani Justice think an innocent person committed sadistic psycho Luke Mitchell’s murder
*&^^&
“We never know the true scale of just how bad it is unless it happens to you or family”
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Sandra Lean has recently stated she didn’t know what the text messages between Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell said.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police he had invited Jodi Jones to his house ‘to muck about’ and that Jodi Jones had allegedly replied saying, ‘Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever’
‘’LUKE MITCHELL thought that Jodi had 'changed her mind' about a date with him on the night she died, the court is told
Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, says that Mitchell told him he wasn't worried when she failed to show up. But he never mentioned the fact that he had phoned Jodi's stepdad to ask where she was.
The detective explains that Luke told him he had invited her to his house 'to muck about'.
She texted back: 'Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever.'
The court has already heard evidence that Mitchell spoke to Jodi's stepdad Allen Ovens just over an hour later and was told she had left the house to meet him.
DC Towers tells the court Mitchell told him: 'I didn't worry about why Jodi had not appeared. She was like a missing space but I just thought she had changed her mind.'
The police officer explains that at the time of questioning Mitchell he didn't know about the phone call to Jodi's house, so couldn't ask him about it.
He adds that Mitchell said that he met up with some other pals and returned home at about 9.35pm.
9.35pm ?
Why and when and by who was 9.35pm changed to 9pm?
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
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Christopher Stewart Kay
Dear Christopher
Thank you for contacting me regarding a petition for an inquiry into the Luke Mitchell case. I am aware of the recent attention surrounding his conviction. I am equally mindful of the effect that heightened interest in this case will have on the family of Jodi Jones.
First off, can I reiterate that judicial and sentencing decisions are matters for our independent courts. I have, however, written to the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, Police Scotland, and The Crown Office on the matters you raised.
If an individual has concerns about the approach taken by the police, then these should be brought to the direct attention of Police Scotland for investigation.
The Chief Constable of Police Scotland is responsible for the policing of Scotland and is accountable to the Scottish Police Authority (SPA) for this. These arrangements are in place to ensure public confidence that the police act independently, free from undue political interference. More information about the complaints process, including how to raise a complaint, can be found on Police Scotland’s website: Complaints - Police Scotland
If you remain dissatisfied following receipt of a response from Police Scotland, it is open to you to refer the matter to the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner (PIRC) who has responsibility to provide independent scrutiny of the way the police respond to complaints from the public.
The PIRC can be contacted via their website (Home | Police Investigations & Review Commissioner (PIRC), by telephone: 01698 542900, email: enquiries@pirc.gov.scot or by writing to PIRC, Hamilton House, Hamilton Business Park, Caird Park, Hamilton, ML3 0QA.
It is normally necessary to make any application to the PIRC within three months of receiving Police Scotland’s final response to your complaint. The PIRC will not be able to investigate any complaint that a police officer has acted in a manner that might amount to criminal conduct or will amount to an offence.
It is important to note that, in looking at complaints against policing bodies operating in Scotland, the PIRC's role is about looking at whether the policing body handled the complaint to a reasonable standard or not. It is not to investigate the circumstances which led to the complaint or uphold allegations made.
The PIRC cannot currently carry out their own investigation of a complaint, though if they conclude in their review that a complaint should be reconsidered, they can direct the police to reconsider the complaint, and can also ask that the person who reconsiders the complaint is approved by the PIRC.
In my correspondence, Police Scotland confirmed it is investigating allegations surrounding the storage of evidence related to this case. I await these findings.
I can confirm that the Scottish Parliament received a petition on this case. But while it contained a list of supporting signatures, I believe there was no covering letter or new supporting evidence.
As for the request for an inquiry into the conviction of Luke Mitchell, it may be helpful to explain the process where someone believes they have suffered a miscarriage of justice. Anyone who considers they have been wrongfully convicted of a criminal offence can seek to appeal their conviction and/or sentence.
I understand that in the past, Mr Mitchell has lodged appeals in respect of both his conviction and sentence and those have been refused by the Appeal Court. If, having exhausted the appeals process, the person wishes to pursue the matter further, they can apply to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) to seek to have their case reviewed.
Upon receipt of an application the SCCRC will consider whether it is in the interests of justice to accept the application for review.
If an application is accepted, the Commission will examine the issues raised in the case to determine whether a miscarriage of justice may have occurred, and if it is in the interests of justice to refer the case to the High Court.
The effect of referring a case is that a fresh appeal will then be considered by the High Court under normal appeals procedure. It is then for High Court to determine whether the appeal is upheld or refused.
In light of the operational independence of the SCCRC, it is entirely a matter for SCCRC to review and judge each case on its merits.
I understand that Mr Mitchell has previously applied to the SCCRC to have his case reviewed and his application was refused. It remains open to Mr Mitchell to submit a further application to the SCCRC if he believes there is new evidence or new grounds which supports his application for a further review.
If an applicant disagrees with the decision of the SCCRC not to refer the case back to the High Court, it is open to them to seek to have that decision judicially reviewed by the courts. This is a matter for the applicant in conjunction with independent legal advice on the options which remain open to them.
In light of this, I believe any consideration of the appropriateness or otherwise of an inquiry is premature.
If you have further information or evidence to bring forward then then this should be passed to Police Scotland
Yours sincerely
Colin
Colin Beattie MSP
Midlothian North and Musselburgh
Scottish Parliament
M3.05
Holyrood
Edinburgh
EH99 1SP
Tel: 0131 348 6374
Constituency Office
164 High Street
Dalkeith
EH22 1AY
Tel: 0131 454 0204
I received this today xx
Sandra Lean
James Hanratty Two points. Why did it need a covering letter? We wrote to every MP for justice asking them to receive the petition and pointing out why we wanted them to do so. Those are our parliamentary representatives. The petition is clear, in itself, about what was required. Secondly "new evidence"? What, so that they could destroy that as well? Why would we give them new evidence when the petition is asking for a review of all the EXISTING evidence? Treating us like we're idiots.
These are your projections Sandra Lean
It appears your innocence fraud has been seen through
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
I would just like to add that Luke was constantly in the papers so his ageing photos were everywhere constantly so everyone knew what the 15-year-old Luke Looked like.
Angie Timothy
Sharon Indy Sunshine The best of it is there shouldnt be any photos of Luke in the media, they should never have put his photo in the papers.
Sharon Indy Sunshine
so true!!
*&^^&
He put himself in front of a TV camera on the day of Jodi Jones funeral
His contempt was there for all to see - as was his mothers
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Adele Brownless
Is Michelle Diskin-Bates on any of Luke's groups?
I think she would be most helpful 💪🏻
Michelle Diskin Bates
Hello Adele, thanks for reaching out. I am indeed very interested in the Luke Mitchell case, Luke and his mum have been on my heart for years. In fact, his mum contacted me a few years ago when I angrily responded to a bad write up in a local Scottish paper. The journalist found my number, rang me in Ireland and carried out an interview with me over the phone where I told him of the awful wrongful conviction of Luke, what was wrong with the case, and that he (Journo) should be ashamed of himself for writing this appalling article without checking his facts.
His mum said it was the first positive piece she’d seen written in a paper in Scotland. 🥰
@)(++(*
She’s referring to the Daily Record 🙄
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Hi, Adele Brownless she certainly is and we are delighted to have Michelle Moj Diskin-Bates with us here in the group. We have two brilliant Michelle's, Michelle Celestial-Easterly Moore on our team is Married to an ex-FBI profiler who helped on the Amanda Knox case.
‘Pro Knox Woman’ Michelle Moore Moderator For Cult-Like Sadistic & Psychopath Killer’s Facebook Group (Part 82)
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Naive Killer Cult-Like Follower Sharon Indy Sunshine’s Projections (Part 104)
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Sandra Lean is no more intelligent than the average person
Her PhD does not equate to intelligence and most definitely not ‘expertise’
She’s a con artist who can write and spin a yarn
She is dangerously deceptive to those easily duped but she's not that smart. I can almost see how she manages to convince people but put Fantasy Forbes in the mix and it's beyond belief. The LM Cult are quoting from Channel 5 MIAST, SL & SF's books as though it's sacred text.
Is SL working on other cases at present or just focusing on LM and getting the petition numbers up?
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Exactly and as we hear Faith mimicking on repeat - All this annihilation, of what took place, zone in on defence reports leaving out the full context of the evidence around each witness, which is what a Jury took on board, not the fallacy and fantasy applied by these enablers. - But then, when one is using DEFENCE papers along with media reports, it's the only way to make it sound, absolutely no concept of the full context, of what was accepted as the evidence over a defence NOT being able to produce enough doubt.
People constantly answering their own query - This 'I cannot believe -------' Keep saying it and you may just click that one cannot believe because it is false! Far from reality as is possible ----
Lest we forget you weren’t in court either and, unlike Dr Lean, have had no access whatsoever to any verbatim statements or court testimony. Be honest…all you have ever had are the crumbs that have remained, half chewed, amongst the hate streaked spittle on various forums.
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She is dangerously deceptive to those easily duped but she's not that smart. I can almost see how she manages to convince people but put Fantasy Forbes in the mix and it's beyond belief. The LM Cult are quoting from Channel 5 MIAST, SL & SF's books as though it's sacred text.
Is SL working on other cases at present or just focusing on LM and getting the petition numbers up?
( Trigger warning) I believe that Dr Lean is writing another book and is also releasing an audiobook edition of Innocents Betrayed.
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( Trigger warning) I believe that Dr Lean is writing another book and is also releasing an audiobook edition of Innocents Betrayed.
Thanks for the warning. I heard she might be working on a new book. Is it a biography of Donald Findlay? I'll have to pass on the audiobook of IB as don't think I could keep the car on the road while listening.
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I just wondered if she incorporates certain subliminal actions into her videos that dupe certain minds.
She also uses double binds like they are going out of fashion
She tells the group she controls on Facebook they are only allowed to use initials blah blah bs bs
Then when some vandal spray paints the name of one of the innocent family members of [Name removed] on the Roans Dyke path wall, she makes sure she posts the news article showing the name of one of her targeted innocent victims
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Thanks for the warning. I heard she might be working on a new book. Is it a biography of Donald Findlay? I'll have to pass on the audiobook of IB as don't think I could keep the car on the road while listening.
TBH I don’t think you’re it’s target audience. I have a large collection of old Daily Records if you’re interested though?
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Did psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell Jodi Jones was missing before the first text message came through from Judith Jones?
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Lest we forget you weren’t in court either
A video taken by Alan Murray was taken of the crime scene and played to the jury
“The pictures were taken in the early hours of 1 July last year by police photographer Alan Murray, who has visited crime scenes for 27 years
Video footage was also shown to the court and copies of the stills were given to the accused.
The leg of a pair of trousers was wrapped round Jodi's arm and her socks were partly pulled off. Trainers and her jacket were scattered around, along with her spectacles.
Earlier, the jury saw more photographs and video of the road leading to the path where her body was found
The map, which dominates one wall of the courtroom, shows the length of road from Newbattle Abbey College to the north, to the entrance to Roan's Dyke.
A film of the same road was then shown to the jury
Mr Turnbull showed DC Hamilton two CCTV pictures taken on 30 June 2003, the day Jodi died.
One was of Alan Ovens, the partner of Jodi's mother, who was pictured in a nearby filling station. The other was of his car entering the filling station at 4.29pm that day.
Sandra Lean never saw the various video footage either
‘The officer explained that Jodi's body was turned over and a close up shot was flashed on the screen.
The video, which was made before the photos were taken, was then played.
Defence counsel Donald Findlay, QC, didn't cross-examine the officer.
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Did psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell Jodi Jones was missing before the first text message came through from Judith Jones?
Sandra Lean
I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg452488.html#msg452488
Corinne Mitchell’s evidence in court was ”I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell he was going out with Mia the dog to look for Jodi Jones at around 10.00pm
Is that why Corinne kept trying to phone him
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Sandra Lean was recently asked if there were ‘any reporting restrictions in place during the trial’
In one of her replies to a Jacqueline Cowan she stated;
Sandra Lean
Jacqueline Cowan In Luke's case? Again, not to my knowledge - all the "children" at the time of Jodi's murder were over 16 by the time of the trial, except for 2, whose evidence was not used at trial. We have someone who has archived almost every piece of media output from 2003 - 2008 - can you bear with me and I'll ask for a check on how many mentions there are in the mainstream media about "reporting restrictions"? From memory, apart from the cleared court scenarios I mentioned above, there were none, but I'd rather provide you with an entirely factual answer (which I can't do, from memory, at 9pm on a Tuesday evening!!!!
Keith Campbell was 14 years old when he gave evidence during the trial
Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/19/killer-luke-mitchell-cofidence-trickster-sandra-lean-on-how-to-say-there-were-reporting-restrictions-without-saying-there-were-reporting-restrictions-part-163/
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Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
More projections from this ‘witch’ who has been duping anyone who will listen to her for years
WHY? Silent and defiant to the end, Luke Mitchell denied the family of Jodi Jones the one answer they needed
“Jodi would have died instantly from a gaping wound that severed her major artery, but her neck had been slashed up to 20 times. Shielded only from the path by a wall, Mitchell then stood over his victim, stripped her of her trousers and scattered her clothes and spectacles around her.
Using her trousers to tie her hands behind her back, he continued the attack with ritualistic precision, mutilating his dead girlfriend's naked body by plunging his knife into her mouth, breast and abdomen. He slit her eyelids, being careful not to damage her eyes, and slashed her right arm twice.
When the pictures of the dead girl's body were shown in court, the judge described them as the worst he had ever seen. Nimmo Smith added: "What you did was to subject Jodi to a horrible death - and one can only hope mercifully quick. There must, however, have been a time before she became unconscious when she knew that you, her boyfriend, whom she held in affection and trust, whom she went out joyfully to meet, had turned into a fiend.
"You have been convicted of a truly evil murder, one of the most appalling crimes that any of us can remember, and you would rightly be regarded as wicked."
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Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
More projections from this ‘witch’ who has been duping anyone who will listen to her for years
“The brutal crime of a child killing another child has captured the public's imagination”
This included Sandra Lean
It is still unclear, despite the biggest investigation mounted by Lothian and Borders Police in 20 years, whether the murder was planned or the result of an argument that began on that sultry June evening, perhaps about the girl, Kimberley Thomson, that Mitchell was seeing behind Jodi's back.
It was reported that the police chief in charge of the investigation had speculated that Mitchell killed Jodi after a row. Detective Chief Superintendent Craig Dobbie said:
"There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke's planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime.
"And if she found out about Kimberley, she would have challenged him."
Of course there are other theories. Did it happen because she had refused to have sex with him? Was it the product of Mitchell's interest in goth subculture, in satanism or his chronic cannabis use that led him to kill?
Was the killing rooted in the upheaval of his early years, the break-up of his parents when he was 10 years old? Or had he really been acting out some sick fantasy, as the prosecution suggested, of using his girlfriend to replicate the murder of Elizabeth Short, a Hollywood starlet, who had been killed in the 1940s in a similar way? The answers, more than 18 months on, are still curiously absent.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
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Was the killing rooted in the upheaval of his early years, the break-up of his parents when he was 10 years old? Or had he really been acting out some sick fantasy, as the prosecution suggested, of using his girlfriend to replicate the murder of Elizabeth Short, a Hollywood starlet, who had been killed in the 1940s in a similar way? The answers, more than 18 months on, are still curiously absent.
Certainly, nothing in Mitchell's early years gives any clue to the evil that would involve him as an adolescent. Two years before he murdered, aged 12, he is pictured at school in his uniform, his hair short and fair. A year later, another picture in the family album shows him uniformed, as a disciplined army cadet.
However, it is at the age of 14 that those who knew him say he began to change from the neat and tidy schoolboy.
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell had already violently assaulted two young girls prior to his murder of Jodi Jones - as highlighted by true crime natters here https://youtu.be/VrhCC9XhKvU
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Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
More projections from this ‘witch’ who has been duping anyone who will listen to her for years
2nd May 2021 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0K89HGHJRLEdgWu7[Name removed]FL3dTqMJwGMFmW4uB9yvAQYc5unUyz8BxeuN83XEaWbe8QNl&id=1011563515
Sandra Lean
Bernadette Major Witch, in my circles, isn’t an insult at all - it refers to those with a close affinity to nature!!
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Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
More projections from this ‘witch’ who has been duping anyone who will listen to her for years
Sandra Lean (today)
We’re drowning in an ocean of meaningless words, intended to placate, bamboozle or shame us into silence.
*&^^&
Sandra Lean
Here, in the 21st century, words are the liquid, warming gently, but inexorably, on the stove, and we are the frogs.
*&^^&
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Sandra Lean (today)
We’re drowning in an ocean of meaningless words, intended to placate, bamboozle or shame us into silence.
Sandra Lean
Jacqueline Cowan In Luke's case? Again, not to my knowledge - all the "children" at the time of Jodi's murder were over 16 by the time of the trial, except for 2, whose evidence was not used at trial. We have someone who has archived almost every piece of media output from 2003 - 2008 - can you bear with me and I'll ask for a check on how many mentions there are in the mainstream media about "reporting restrictions"? From memory, apart from the cleared court scenarios I mentioned above, there were none, but I'd rather provide you with an entirely factual answer (which I can't do, from memory, at 9pm on a Tuesday evening!!!!
Why did you choose to send Dani Justice on a fools errand Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean (today)
They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
Lorraine Ann McClelland
Too many people asleep 😴 but so many are waking up to bullsh#t government media authorities people in power are programming us with or trying too . 🤔 we are not minions or sheep .
You are Lorraine
However many people have woken up to Sandra Lean’s blatant lies and toxic behaviours
‘’Boiling you like a frog’’
Doubt people like Ronnie Mothersole would agree with you Sandra
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Has she ever publicly expressed an interest in the occult?
Did Corinne Mitchell ever express an interest in wicca?
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Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell he was going out with Mia the dog to look for Jodi Jones at around 10.00pm
Is that why Corinne kept trying to phone him
‘As Luke was merely 14 years old, speculation is forming around Corinne Mitchell that she may have played more of a part in the murder than just the role of a mother. Police believe the 45-year-old's relationship with her son changed from parent to that of accomplice. Mrs Mitchell had claimed Luke had been cooking dinner at the time of the murder, even though her older son Shane said he thought the house was empty.
Without a doubt Corinne Mitchell became an accomplice
She lied about the cooking of dinner that night
And Corinne still hasn’t explained why she was phoning her killer son Luke so much that night - after he left the house with the dog, or why she told the court he was ‘late and in trouble’
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell told the police on the 1st of July 2003 that it was his mother Corinne Mitchell who had suggested to him he go looking for Jodi Jones
“The youngster, who was 14 at the time of the death, gave his statement to police in the early hours of 1 July, 2003.
In it he said he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4111441.stm
What did Corinne Mitchell say about this at the time?
What exactly went down between psycho killer Luke and his mother that night and did Shane Mitchell witness anything - if he was at home - as innocence fraudster Sandra Lean claimed
Corrine Mitchell:
“…so it must have been his curfew was 10 same as herself it must have been around about 9ish or something like that and he arrived home and I went gosh you’re early and he went has Jodi not been and I went no has she phoned no ugh wonder where the hell she is I went Luke she’s a young girl she’ll be in somebodies house yipping and completely forgot I said boyfriends come way down the line when it comes to wee girls talking um um eh
(Starts at approx 6:00 during James English interview)
Corinne Mitchell’s embellishments 👆🏽give her away every time
Did the pair of them have a conversation/or arguememt about Jodi Jones not turning up to meet him when he came back from the Abbey, before the text message from Judith Jones
Did Corinne Mitchell send her killer son out to look for Jodi Jones instead of reporting Jodi missing to her mother Judith Jones and/or the police?
And was Corinne Mitchell reminded of the attacks by her killer son on the other two young girls, when she realised something was up that night?
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‘As Luke was merely 14 years old, speculation is forming around Corinne Mitchell that she may have played more of a part in the murder than just the role of a mother. Police believe the 45-year-old's relationship with her son changed from parent to that of accomplice. Mrs Mitchell had claimed Luke had been cooking dinner at the time of the murder, even though her older son Shane said he thought the house was empty.
Corinne Mitchell sat next to her killer son Luke Mitchell when he made his 22 page witness statement on the 1st of July 2003
He asked/told her - Shane wasn’t there was he
He also told police Corinne and Shane had a fire in the garden on the night of 30th June
‘During questioning, he told how he and Mia, his German Shepherd dog, went out to look for the missing girl
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell went out ‘to look for the missing girl’ before Judith Jones had texted him at 10:40
What did Corinne Mitchell say/do/think when her killer son told police it was her suggestion to go out looking for Jodi Jones?
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”
Suspect Corinne Mitchell already had a hunch her killer son Luke was involved in Jodi Jones disappearance by the time she sent this text
‘A text message to his mobile from Jodi's mother at 10.41pm the previous night first alerted him to the fact that something was wrong, he said.
Also suspect when he made his written police statement on the 1st July 2003 - may have been the first time Corinne Mitchell became aware of Judith Jones 10:40 text message
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In the ‘references’ Sandra Lean has put at the bottom of her blurb on killer LM there’s no mention of the transcript from his interview with the police on the 1st July 2003
And who’s putting the nonsense on wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones ?
Corinne and Philip Mitchell ‘separated’ when psycho killer Luke Mitchell was 10 before he first attacked a young girl.
He was 11 when his parents divorced.
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What exactly does Sandra Lean say in her book about phone call and texts between Corinne, Shane and Luke Mitchell that night?
And did Corinne Mitchell erase her mobile phone records ?
What exactly did Corinne say in her police statement (s) regarding the times of the phone calls she made to her killer son that night - which presumably must have contributed to her arrest for perverting the course of justice
Corinne Mitchell was charged with perverting the course of justice but what exactly were the details which made up the charge and did she ever tell hoaxer Sandra Lean the exact reasons for her arrest ?
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Corinne Mitchell was charged with perverting the course of justice but what exactly were the details which made up the charge and did she ever tell hoaxer Sandra Lean the exact reasons for her arrest ?
Wasn't that down to what Shame told the police about who was at home the day Jodi was murdered.
Shane said he was home alone watching porn on his computer but Luke said he was at home too preparing dinner. It was only a small house so they both can't be telling the truth! It isn't rocket science.
Had Shane corroborated Luke's alibi to the effect that he was at home when Jodi was being killed then he might well have never been convicted. That didn't happen however and the rest is history.
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Corinne Mitchell was charged with perverting the course of justice but what exactly were the details which made up the charge and did she ever tell hoaxer Sandra Lean the exact reasons for her arrest ?
Where was Shane Mitchell when Corinne Mitchell was phoning her killer son Luke and what exactly was Shane doing when Corinne walked to the police station?
And why did she walk and not drive or be driven by Shane?
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‘As Luke was merely 14 years old, speculation is forming around Corinne Mitchell that she may have played more of a part in the murder than just the role of a mother. Police believe the 45-year-old's relationship with her son changed from parent to that of accomplice. Mrs Mitchell had claimed Luke had been cooking dinner at the time of the murder, even though her older son Shane said he thought the house was empty.
Without a doubt Corinne Mitchell became an accomplice
Definitely from the point she was in Dalkeith police station on the 1st July 2003 - but she may have been involved in the cover up as an accomplice earlier than this
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What exactly does Sandra Lean say in her book about phone call and texts between Corinne, Shane and Luke Mitchell that night?
And did Corinne Mitchell erase her mobile phone records ?
If Shane Mitchell was home that night what exactly, if anything, did he tell police about the torch story and the timings around this?
The police must have also suspected the story psycho killer Luke Mitchell gave regarding his whereabouts from 10pm onwards to be concocted.
Which in turn would have created suspicion around Corinne Mitchell and why she chose to let her 14 year old sadist son Luke go out past his curfew - alone to pretend to search for his ‘missing’ girlfriend
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A video taken by Alan Murray was taken of the crime scene and played to the jury
“The pictures were taken in the early hours of 1 July last year by police photographer Alan Murray, who has visited crime scenes for 27 years
Video footage was also shown to the court and copies of the stills were given to the accused.
The leg of a pair of trousers was wrapped round Jodi's arm and her socks were partly pulled off. Trainers and her jacket were scattered around, along with her spectacles.
Earlier, the jury saw more photographs and video of the road leading to the path where her body was found
The map, which dominates one wall of the courtroom, shows the length of road from Newbattle Abbey College to the north, to the entrance to Roan's Dyke.
A film of the same road was then shown to the jury
Mr Turnbull showed DC Hamilton two CCTV pictures taken on 30 June 2003, the day Jodi died.
One was of Alan Ovens, the partner of Jodi's mother, who was pictured in a nearby filling station. The other was of his car entering the filling station at 4.29pm that day.
Sandra Lean never saw the various video footage either
‘The officer explained that Jodi's body was turned over and a close up shot was flashed on the screen.
The video, which was made before the photos were taken, was then played.
Defence counsel Donald Findlay, QC, didn't cross-examine the officer.
Considering that L&B went to the effort of obtaining CCTV evidence of AO and also Corrine Mitchell it’s odd that they didn’t go that extra yard and request the CCTV images of AB from the supermarket etc. I believe that legally CCTV footage only needs to be retained for 30 days so was AB’s initial statements thought of so little value that no evidence of the sightings was sought? Was it the lack of DNA evidence against Luke that forced the police to look at previously discarded witness statements in order to cobble together a case against Luke?
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If Shane Mitchell was home that night what exactly, if anything, did he tell police about the torch story and the timings around this?
The police must have also suspected the story psycho killer Luke Mitchell gave regarding his whereabouts from 10pm onwards to be concocted.
Which in turn would have created suspicion around Corinne Mitchell and why she chose to let her 14 year old sadist son Luke go out past his curfew - alone to pretend to search for his ‘missing’ girlfriend
What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?
And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?
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What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?
And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?
Did Corinne Mitchell also wipe her phone history like her psycho killer son Luke Mitchell did - from the point of his murder
‘THE Jodi Jones murder trial was told yesterday that the record of Luke Mitchell's phone had been wiped out hours after the schoolgirl died.
‘A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, a former girlfriend of Mr Mitchell's, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late.
Don’t believe he first wiped his phone ‘hours after’
He would have wiped his phone more than once
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What date were the text messages extracted from psycho killer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell’s phones?
And on what date exactly were the Mitchell families phones seized ?
If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point
This would have been an immediate red flag
‘Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.
Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.
As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement
‘Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.
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If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point
This would have been an immediate red flag
‘Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.
Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.
As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement
‘Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.
What other material did Derek Morris manage to obtain from the SIM card
‘Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke".
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If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point
This would have been an immediate red flag
‘Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.
Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.
As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement
‘Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.
What did Corinne Mitchell’s statement say about the 00:31hrs phone-call - if anything ?
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If the police had Derek Morris’s results back on the 1st of July 2003 then they would have become aware of Kimberly Thompson by around the 1st July 2003 and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s lies by omission regarding KT by this point
This would have been an immediate red flag
‘Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.
Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.
As would psycho killer Luke’s lies by omission about his phone call to his mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs - presuming he didn’t include this in his 22 page statement
‘Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.
Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?
Sounds like it
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Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?
Sounds like it
There would have been numerous reasons behind the arrest of Corinne and Shane Mitchell for perverting the course of justice
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Were they also deleted from liar Corinne Mitchell’s phone history?
Sounds like it
Why do you think that the texts between Jodi and Luke were deleted on Judith’s phone and when did it happened?
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I'll endeavour to spend some reading through it. Your Innocence Fraud work.
On another note and still very much in line with Innocence Fraud and of your other link around narcissism and the blame game. Firstly of course LM that manipulator who was of course outsmarted by the police which in turn will have him never admit guilt. He will forever manipulate in his attempt to prove himself smarter, superior and intellectually above. And those clear similar natures who do the exact same. Every action is carried out in that attempt to place themselves intellectually above all else. That each and every action should it cause harm to others is by fault of others. That 'they made me do it' syndrome. IF the police had did this, IF the law was like this - --
By far the biggest give away in that attempt to place themselves as simply superior is that repetition of - The defence had their hands tied so tightly behind their back that they caught fast the zip one has placed up it.
Ah yes, manipulators where of course Mr Forbes is being used by Mitchell for another purpose, does not quite hit the mark of manipulation out with being manipulated by Mitchell to do his bidding, but certainly has that drive to be noticed and to be correct. I have absolutely no idea where 'planet fantasy' is but the population has found itself a new leader!
I neither have any idea what he is professionally (cough), perhaps Dexter can shed some light? It does not however matter for he brings with him excellent news. That there was not likely to have been nor never will be some wonderful new legal team of bodies reviewing Mitchells case, far less doing anything with it. That other front of course in this plight for support to push for an independent review, is of course just that. These people know there is not chance in hell of this happening, they know that every form of manipulation, those lies and accusations may fool some, but they will never fool those where it actually counts. Proper intellectual bodies who will first and foremost look at everything that has already come to pass before even considering such a thing. And the actions of the accusers of course, that every single thing that they are hiding and burying can not be hidden nor buried, from again, people that actually count.
Further excellent news is of course around Mitchells latest actions, for they are his. Carrying out in part what he claimed was going to happen last year, that of releasing certain areas from his defence papers. Not of course that which should and could always have been released legally (the hiding of the truth will remain so), but anything legal or otherwise to use in this attack upon innocent people. The complete opposite of what Mitchell fronted last year, of not wanting others to be treated as he was (claimed).
Whilst there is no longer any legal requirement to admit guilt thus carry out any rehabilitation against offence, there has to be that of exemplary character and of victim empathy courses. Mitchell given Forbes his defence papers to use anything illegally to attack innocent people, victims family and so forth - Will place Mitchell still in that high risk category. It is just under two years until that first application can be placed with the parole board, where is LM just now? Certainly not in an open prison or well under way to being rehabilitated for life on the outside, is he? And these latest actions and attempts of solely given someone his defence papers to breach laws is not going to fair well, is it?
A final thought for now. So those who have joined this support who are still NOT requesting that everything that could and should have been legally disclosed, should be done. Every single thing pertaining directly to LM and his mother. Every single word of every statement/interview along with CM's full court testimony. But there is also something else here and that of funding and what you are being told It could be used for. Here is something that it should already have been used for, stemming back to the days of the WAP, from funds obtained then.
But let us run through who first of all has had anything to do with the original forensics, those tests and results. We start with the experts who first carried these out. We move to the police who had expert advice on each and every test and report. We move to the Crown and more of the same then we move to Mitchells defence. Everything in order and labelled correctly. These team of professional bodies who deal with forensics and reports, day in and out, year after year. People who have the type of grasp on such things that us mere mortals could only dream of having. DF and any expert advice he was given and the agreement he DID make with the Crown.
We move on to SL and those claims of them being in a mess, that it took years to try and match samples to the correct report, different labs and labelling and so forth. With me so far? That application into the SCCRC who in turn had experts in their field (independent), review those original tests and results, advised and carried out testing from their expertise on viable areas to test! They go back to Mitchell, to SL and she still claims they were in a mess, that by the time of IB going to print that she had still NOT managed to match every sample to the correct report!
Bypass the manipulation, that need to play dumb for purpose of said manipulation, ok? You the supporters have ploughed your monies in. All you need is permission from the person you are supporting, namely Luke Mitchell. No major red tape. Pay for an independent expert in the field of forensics to sort, match, review in full those original tests and further ones by the SCCRC, then get this independent person to give a full independent review of their findings!
In short, everything that could and should already have been done should be done. You are repeatedly told those words over and over. If there is nothing to hide, if there is nothing to be afraid of? - Get those statements, every word of them out there and get those forensics independently reviewed. You seek the truth well get it out there and start again. Not that you of course do not believe Ms Lean nor Mr Forbes, nor Mitchell of course. But be real, there is NOT going to be a new full independent review. This is 2022 and you are being had! Re-testing? This is NOT a cold case, items are NOT retained for ever. I would very much doubt there was anything there in 2018 when that begging bowl first went out, this is 2022 - wake up.
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Am guessing this is the same Suzy
Suzy Hall
I am a person who would need to be convinced of Luke's guilt as I have never, from the beginning, believed that he committed this henious crime.
Accordingly, I have been researching for quite a while now all available information in the public domain.
Upon reading a blog I did find this regarding the V in the wall and wondered if someone could help me with the following paragraph:-
“This access was easily and instantly found by Luke – who claimed not to know of this V, to have never been in this woodland. Yet easily located this access in the dark, both the V and the narrow passageway.”
Did Luke claim not to know of V or to have never been in the woods before?
Thanks in advance
Angie Timothy
Luke never denied knowing where the path was and just to clarify Mia didnt go straight to the V , she was someway past the V when she reacted and Luke doubled backed to the V where AW was as she was further behind the others, while Sk and JaJ continued down the path. also its not true that everyone knew about the path/woodland strip, many locals including the two officers on the scene and AB, herself didnt know about it.
Krissy Porteous
I believe the V in the wall has been blown up to be more than it really is…I think it could’ve been any one of the various Vs that Mia alerted to if, j was behind it,I think just because it was the closest way for Luke to get over,everyone immediately thinks that’s how Jody got over or got made to go over and Sandra’s made it really clear there’s other easier ways to get to behind the V.
Ana Azaria
Hi Suzy, the 2008 appeal documents make reference to this: Detective Constable (ML) said that the appellant told her he was aware that there was a hole in the wall at the junction and a small path close to the wall. The arrows were shown on the woodland side of the wall. She asked him if he had been down this route. He said that there was not a very good path and he had only been a short way down." I have never come across any statement where Luke said he didn't know where the woodland area was. Either way, this wouldn't have had any bearing on his dog reacting at the wall.
Suzy Hall
Ana Azaria thank you! I just wanted to blow this author's claim. I am very much of the opinion that you read the initial statements provided by witnesses. Accordingly, I believe that Mia did react as how all witnesses stated initially
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Thanks, Suzy (You know why) I have never heard that claim as Luke was local and everyone knew the paths woods etc and all the other local areas so it’s a strange claim by the ‘other person’. Luke’s claim was Mia his tracker dog was the one who went to the V, that was also the claim by the other 3 search party members in their first statements before they all changed them to the contrary some weeks later
Suzy Hall
Thanks for the quick reply, I have been leaving comments for the author of the blog but I doubt I’ll get a response
Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it
Sharon Indy Sunshine should read the blog - she might slowly start to recognise she is being used and abused by Sandra Lean and duped by her and a sadistic, psychopathic killer
Along with that deluded fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
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Wasn’t there a Suzy who posted on the blue forum - or is this another Suzy?
Suzy 👇
“I have, for years, studied everything that is in the public domain regarding this case and I have to say that it’s just confirming my fears that this is Scotland’s biggest miscarriage of justice”
20 years would suggest Suzy might have read the blue forum
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Sharon Indy Sunshine should read the blog - she might slowly start to recognise she is being used and abused by Sandra Lean and duped by her and a sadistic, psychopathic killer
Along with that deluded fantasist and abuser Scott Forbes
Mark Kane told me some interesting things about this character.
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Am guessing this is the same Suzy
Suzy Hall
I am a person who would need to be convinced of Luke's guilt as I have never, from the beginning, believed that he committed this henious crime.
Accordingly, I have been researching for quite a while now all available information in the public domain.
Upon reading a blog I did find this regarding the V in the wall and wondered if someone could help me with the following paragraph:-
“This access was easily and instantly found by Luke – who claimed not to know of this V, to have never been in this woodland. Yet easily located this access in the dark, both the V and the narrow passageway.”
Did Luke claim not to know of V or to have never been in the woods before?
Thanks in advance
Angie Timothy
Luke never denied knowing where the path was and just to clarify Mia didnt go straight to the V , she was someway past the V when she reacted and Luke doubled backed to the V where AW was as she was further behind the others, while Sk and JaJ continued down the path. also its not true that everyone knew about the path/woodland strip, many locals including the two officers on the scene and AB, herself didnt know about it.
Krissy Porteous
I believe the V in the wall has been blown up to be more than it really is…I think it could’ve been any one of the various Vs that Mia alerted to if, j was behind it,I think just because it was the closest way for Luke to get over,everyone immediately thinks that’s how Jody got over or got made to go over and Sandra’s made it really clear there’s other easier ways to get to behind the V.
Ana Azaria
Hi Suzy, the 2008 appeal documents make reference to this: Detective Constable (ML) said that the appellant told her he was aware that there was a hole in the wall at the junction and a small path close to the wall. The arrows were shown on the woodland side of the wall. She asked him if he had been down this route. He said that there was not a very good path and he had only been a short way down." I have never come across any statement where Luke said he didn't know where the woodland area was. Either way, this wouldn't have had any bearing on his dog reacting at the wall.
Suzy Hall
Ana Azaria thank you! I just wanted to blow this author's claim. I am very much of the opinion that you read the initial statements provided by witnesses. Accordingly, I believe that Mia did react as how all witnesses stated initially
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Thanks, Suzy (You know why) I have never heard that claim as Luke was local and everyone knew the paths woods etc and all the other local areas so it’s a strange claim by the ‘other person’. Luke’s claim was Mia his tracker dog was the one who went to the V, that was also the claim by the other 3 search party members in their first statements before they all changed them to the contrary some weeks later
Suzy Hall
Thanks for the quick reply, I have been leaving comments for the author of the blog but I doubt I’ll get a response
Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it
Suzy is being spun a yarn - Deflected from what she was actually asking. LM very much did say that he had not known of the V break and the Gino break prior to the search. He knew of the one off the lane, but LM denied fully having been in the woodland at all before, only admitting to going into that gap after the initials on the tree. Suzy may like to start reading forums and see the many conversations/confrontations with SL in this case.
The V break has not been blown out of anything - LM did not go past that break then return with AW, LM went directly to that break that he claimed not to have seen before. Telling the police he made his way back to a break he had noticed when walking past to access the woods - LM was lying.
It is the very essence of why SL said to me that she too had difficulty locating the V break the first time when looking actively for it. She claimed it was overgrown with greenery. She made this claim to back up LM's claims of not knowing the existence of that break, inferring that it was easily missed UNLESS actively searching for it. - So posters replying to Suzy, you are given over false answers, deflecting from LM's denial of those breaks until that evening.
LM Suzy, was the only person to make any claim of going past that V break he suddenly saw for the first time, to his dog alerting not quite 60ft past to exactly 43ft past and directly "parallel" to where that girls body lay in the woods.
The other three from the off told of LM going to the V break approaching from the east, they gave lots of descriptions that could not be seen from where LM made his ludicrous claims. LM was not past that break, they were all present and stationary at it. The full context "below the break" directly under its shape, to the dog then standing against the wall with "its head level with the V" of "scurrying in the undergrowth at the V break" Of watching LM enter the woods. So again, these new experts given over false answers. LM's dog alerted him to no body, he was not where he claimed with his dog and the others, the very essence of why the wall was built, to show the court that LM was lying, the the other three had been spot on from their very first accounts.
Deflected and manipulated around because the truth takes away the very reason LM gave for claiming why he knew exactly where to go - He was lying. Reality, I had never saw those breaks before but suddenly noticed them that night, we were not searching the wall but I just went to it conveniently at the first break, wading through undergrowth to scale up, because I just had a hunch, a gut instinct, then I saw this other big break and we all walked past is some 60ft, no it was 43ft when my dog alerted, making my way back bla bla bla bla bla - It was made up. His "hunch" his "gut instinct" had him go to the second break the same as the first, the easier one to access those woods, the one closer to the body, this time to "search about" directly to his left, down that narrow passage.
Suzy, LM had walked down through those woods with others to the V break in the wall - Again, spun a yarn. By all means believe he is innocent, it changes nothing of the evidence nor the lies on repeat from LM and from those spinning a yarn ----------- The only question you should be asking Suzy, is why are they lying? For the truth certainly does show the clear reasons why he was suspect, remained as such and convicted. 6mins active search and around 10-20seconds in those woods. You may not believe he is guilty but he sure as hell knew, without any doubt, where that young girls body had been hidden. No one finds a body in that time, not on their own, or with a dog on a short lead, not in the woods but upon a path, a path cut off from a high wall by several ft of undergrowth. But above all, to lie to try and scrape at reason as to why he knew where to go, he was no 10ft, 20ft, 30ft any ft past that break. And he would had to have been some distance past to go directly left and keep going as opposed to not going in front and searching around a certain diameter from there --
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Suzy says:
“A question with a question 🤔 Did you not like the fact that I picked up almost immediately on the tone of your writing?”
She’s not liking ‘the tone of your writing’ Parky
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Suzy may like to start reading forums and see the many conversations/confrontations with SL in this case.
And there it is. It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. The pontificator in chief has obtained all of his knowledge from anonymous members of other forums with absolutely no way to investigate the veracity of their claims. Not one official document has he seen, not one statement has he read and not one witness has he spoken to. Why anyone believes a word he says I’ll never know. I myself have caught him in mid- manipulation several times now. Even when he’s caught out he simply ignores your questions or doubles down on his previous claims.
Dr Lean is not perfect, she makes mistakes but I’d rather give my trust to someone who actually speaks from a position of knowledge rather than one relies on second or even third hand gossip.
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Suzy is being spun a yarn
Suzy says:
"There were no mistakes made during, or following killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest and to suggest there was is yet more deluded lies."
How do you know there were "no mistakes......"? Do you have inside information?
Suzy also says:
Do you seriously believe what you read in the tabloids? Please tell me you are not that naive!
I do not know Sandra Lean but I would lend more credit to her version of events than that of a journalist for a Red Top Tabloid.
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Dr Lean is not perfect, she makes mistakes but I’d rather give my trust to someone who actually speaks from a position of knowledge rather than one relies on second or even third hand gossip.
She has continually refused to answer or ignored questions on various platforms these recent months despite being the world expert on LM. Surely if she was an impartial criminologist she would encourage a different viewpoint for debate. Forbes on the other hand, resorts to abuse calling people, liars, trolls and imbeciles when he is challenged. Lord knows how he managed to write a book.
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She has continually refused to answer or ignored questions on various platforms these recent months despite being the world expert on LM. Surely if she was an impartial criminologist she would encourage a different viewpoint for debate. Forbes on the other hand, resorts to abuse calling people, liars, trolls and imbeciles when he is challenged. Lord knows how he managed to write a book.
It’s been almost 20 years….I’m sure that she’s answered every question you’ve ever thought of 20 times over. TBH Ive seen how she’s treated on forums like this. I’m not sure I’d engage either, no matter how ‘impartial’ I was.
As to name calling I’m assuming that you don’t condone the name calling directed at Dr Lean from Nicholas et al?
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She has continually refused to answer or ignored questions on various platforms these recent months despite being the world expert on LM. Surely if she was an impartial criminologist she would encourage a different viewpoint for debate. Forbes on the other hand, resorts to abuse calling people, liars, trolls and imbeciles when he is challenged. Lord knows how he managed to write a book.
I've a suspicion he got help.
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I've a suspicion he got help.
Why and from who?
Is it because he couldn’t have achieved everything the prosecution said he did in the time they allowed him?
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Krissy Porteous
From what I believe part of Lukes defence was that someone else was responsible for js murder, why did the defence not strengthen their case with the facts that j had smoked weed within 2 hours of her death so that indicates she was with someone else as no smoke paraphernalia found with body or on Luke?… And she was on a path that JF,GD and [Name removed] were on with a nine bar too..
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Angie Timothy
Its just another thing brushed under the carpet and your spot on, if the defence had more time to prepare it could have made all the difference.
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Suzy says;
“This is absolutely ridiculous and for anyone who does not know Scots Law you are, as Sandra Lean stated, she legally cannot disclose to General Public.
For the avoidance of doubt, my information in regards to disclosure comes from my own legal knowledge”
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For someone who claims they’ve followed this psychopathic killers case/campaign for ‘20 years’ - Suzy doesn’t have a clue!
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Killer Luke Mitchell was telling different people different things
He told Judith Jones the reason he didn’t phone back was because he thought she had been grounded
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In the days following Jodi's death, Mrs Jones twice visited Mr Mitchell's home. The first time was to comfort him, she said. The second visit was after police searched the Mitchell household. ''There was something I had to ask him. It had been in my mind all week,'' she said. ''Why did you not phone me back that night? He said: 'Because I thought you had grounded her.''
“Mitchell may have been calm, but his story was erratic. The accounts he gave of why he never showed any concern over Jodi's non-appearance varied with every person he spoke to: his friends, Jodi's family, the police. It was these fabrications that initially roused police suspicions.
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Sadistic killer Luke Muir Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement (dated 1st July 2003) was read in open court at Edinburgh’s high court on 20th December 2004 by DC Alan Towers
To allow the public to be better informed and more productive and improve public confidence and trust - a freedom of information request for a copy of this convicted killers witness statement can be applied for via the Scottish Courts & Tribunal Services
Email: foi@scotcourts.gov.uk
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Sandra Lean has recently stated she didn’t know what the text messages between Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell said.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police he had invited Jodi Jones to his house ‘to muck about’ and that Jodi Jones had allegedly replied saying, ‘Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever’
‘’LUKE MITCHELL thought that Jodi had 'changed her mind' about a date with him on the night she died, the court is told
Detective Constable Alan Towers, 43, says that Mitchell told him he wasn't worried when she failed to show up. But he never mentioned the fact that he had phoned Jodi's stepdad to ask where she was.
The detective explains that Luke told him he had invited her to his house 'to muck about'.
She texted back: 'Yes sure. I don't know what time I will be leaving the house. See you whenever.'
The court has already heard evidence that Mitchell spoke to Jodi's stepdad Allen Ovens just over an hour later and was told she had left the house to meet him.
DC Towers tells the court Mitchell told him: 'I didn't worry about why Jodi had not appeared. She was like a missing space but I just thought she had changed her mind.'
The police officer explains that at the time of questioning Mitchell he didn't know about the phone call to Jodi's house, so couldn't ask him about it.
He adds that Mitchell said that he met up with some other pals and returned home at about 9:35pm.
Why and when did the time of killer Luke Mitchell allegedly returning home at 9:35pm change to 09:05/10am?
(as per the appeal judgment https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7)
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Why did the author of this piece view killer Luke Mitchell to be ‘psychotic’ ?
“Female fans have been bombarding him in his youth jail with sexually explicit letters. On the steps of the High Court, four giggling girls held up a home-made banner with his photograph and the message: "This boy here is a sexy boy!"
How can we have descended to the horrifying state of affairs where a clearly psychotic killer, who sadistically butchered a teenage girl, has become an icon for young women who display the most callous indifference to the slaughter of one of their own - and are even turned on by her murderer?
Much of Mitchell's fan mail comes from admirers of his hero Marilyn Manson, the self-proclaimed 'anti-Christ superstar' who topped the charts on a platform of sex, drugs and satanism.
Manson, who has acknowledged heavy drug use, depression and self-mutilation, rubs broken glass on to his chest during concerts, spits on the audience and simulates sex acts.
In their letters to Mitchell, some of the schoolgirls refer to the violent lyrics in Manson's work, including his obsession with the slaughter in 1947 of the Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short, known as the 'Black Dahlia' murder.
With websites now dedicated to Mitchell, too, there are fears that a disturbed young person might try yet another copycat murder. Such fears are hardly groundless. In 1999, the killings in America at Columbine High School in Denver were committed by two young Manson fans.
What we are facing now among a section of our young people is a terrifying breakdown of the bonds not just of socialisation but of civilisation itself. This is the result of a number of ruinous changes in our society - in which the growing acceptability of drugs is a significant part.
For these young people, the moral obligation to accept the difference between right and wrong has disintegrated. From all sides, they are bombarded by the message that the only thing that matters is their own pleasure and gratification.
Duty, responsibility, shame and stigma have all but evaporated. Difficulty, pain or failure are viewed as assaults on their right to be happy. What trumps everything else is the need to protect their feelings. Instead of providing boundaries to give young people the security that is vital for emotional health, the adult world has simply abandoned them.
Family disintegration shatters their sense of themselves, schools leave them floundering in their own ignorance and immaturity, and the commercial world exploits and encourages their premature sexualisation.
It is among these rising numbers of confused, unhappy or disturbed children that the 'Goth rock' cult of satanism, self-harm and nihilism principally has its lethal appeal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-337749/Cannabis-caused-14-year-old-kill.html
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-337749/Cannabis-caused-14-year-old-kill.html
The above article ends with
“How many more Luke Mitchells will it take before our society wakes up from its lethal, drug-stupefied trance?
Sue Addis was apparently brutally murdered by her the 17 year old cannabis smoking grandson Pietro Addis
“His case is that he was suffering from paranoid psychosis at the time, diminishing his responsibility for the killing and he has pleaded guilty to manslaughter to reflect that position.
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Why did the author of this piece view killer Luke Mitchell to be ‘psychotic’ ?
“Female fans have been bombarding him in his youth jail with sexually explicit letters. On the steps of the High Court, four giggling girls held up a home-made banner with his photograph and the message: "This boy here is a sexy boy!"
How can we have descended to the horrifying state of affairs where a clearly psychotic killer, who sadistically butchered a teenage girl, has become an icon for young women who display the most callous indifference to the slaughter of one of their own - and are even turned on by her murderer?
Much of Mitchell's fan mail comes from admirers of his hero Marilyn Manson, the self-proclaimed 'anti-Christ superstar' who topped the charts on a platform of sex, drugs and satanism.
Manson, who has acknowledged heavy drug use, depression and self-mutilation, rubs broken glass on to his chest during concerts, spits on the audience and simulates sex acts.
In their letters to Mitchell, some of the schoolgirls refer to the violent lyrics in Manson's work, including his obsession with the slaughter in 1947 of the Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short, known as the 'Black Dahlia' murder.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-337749/Cannabis-caused-14-year-old-kill.html
“Passing a life sentence in a silent courtroom, the judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, said Mitchell had shown not a f licker of emotion throughout his nine-week trial and suggested he had been motivated by the "perverted glamour in doing something wicked".
He said Mitchell's upbringing, his obsession with satanism and habitual smoking of cannabis may also have played a part in Jodi's murder.
The premeditated crime, he added, was one of the worst ever to come before the High Court in Edinburgh.
However, this did not prevent three adolescent girls standing outside the court with a homemade banner referring to the killer as a "sexy" boy and urging others to "smoke weed and fly".
Mitchell, 16, remained impassive throughout the halfhour hearing. He appeared thinner, with greasy hair hanging around his shoulders instead of his trademark ponytail, since he was convicted three weeks ago.
Lord Nimmo Smith told the teenager, who was 14 when he killed the schoolgirl, that it was only his young age which prevented him imposing the longest possible custodial sentence. He said: "Looking back on the evidence, I still cannot fathom what led you to do as you did. Perhaps you do not even know yourself."
Despite Mitchell having appeared before him more than 50 times, the judge said:
"On none of these did I recall having detected any sign of emotion in you. While this may not mean much in itself, it fits with evidence from other sources of a striking lack of emotion on your part.
Lord Nimmo Smith suggested it was this coldness, and the possibility cannabis blurred his moral boundaries, that prompted him to inf lict such harm. "I do not subscribe to the notion that cannabis is a harmless, recreational drug. In your case, I think it may well have contributed to your being unable to make the distinction between fantasy and reality which is essential for normal moral judgments." He said this and other factors may have meant he did not know what "a truly wicked deed this was."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401946.20-years-for-the-boy-killer-seduced-by-evil/
Sadistic psychopath Luke Mitchell should never be released from prison
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Donna Marie Boyce
So I've finished both books, listened to all the podcasts and watched the c5 documentary still I have questions that I feel should have been answered at the time since theyll never be answered now. Why did sk ask the police if they went to his first. Why did jaj ask if [Name removed] was naked. why was the original crime scene never looked for. I'm not a police officer, not got any legal training or experience, im merely a civilian and those are some of the burning questions that I feel should have been answered as there's no logical explanations for them not to have been investigated. There's so much more that has gone unanswered but those stick out to me. Also the fact that [Name removed] was announced missing 2 hours earlier than she usually stoated home, that's very strange
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Hi Donna, thank you for your post, we are all in the same boat with those questions, it's a rabbit hole you could find anomalies every day for a year and still have more questions. Hopefully, you find good resources here in the group..
And this is exactly what the sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers want you to do - keep going round and round and round and keep you focused on irrelevant details about anyone but the actual killer = Luke Mitchell
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Julie Kornhammer
Patrick Gillan I know we can't name names and I have followed this case for years, i believe luke is innocent but every now and again I wonder if he is innocent, why is he still behind bars , I don't understand the legal system by any means, I find it all so confusing but I just can't get my head round why he's still in jail and why the police and justice system are allowing this. Are there things they have which make them believe he is guilty? If there's no dna evidence etc why is he still locked up. I've read Dr Sandra Leans book which was so informative and I read this group's comments regularly but why do I feel so confused and have that little niggle from time to time. Like I say i do believe he's innocent I just don't understand why he's still locked away. I think everyone is doing an amazing job, it's mind blowing, so I would be grateful for any information to help me with my confusion . Dr Lean and Scott Forbes and everyone else involved are doing such an amazing job, I have such admiration for them.
I just feel there are so many unanswered things involved with this case and I'm sure I'm not the only one x
Barbara Bacon
Julie Kornhammer this is a hard case to get your head around for years I just assumed Luke was guilty I believed all the things I seen on TV in papers not that I paid attention I was busy but I remember it being all over the TV and papers it was not until I started looking in to it myself and doing my own research that I started to see things differently there is still so ment unanswered questions all 2 can do is keep pushing for an independent review and get all the information out on the table but you can ask questions if we new the answer we will tell you.
There will be no ‘independent review’ (whatever that is) and the petition could have 10 million signatures - it will make no difference
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes don’t want ‘all the information out on the table” and have spent almost 20 years keeping it hidden
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”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.
As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night
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Was liar Corinne Mitchell shouting from her back garden (while eating her prawns) while her killer son Luke was in the living room - the same living room she told James English if you sat in you couldn’t hear anyone at the back door
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”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.
As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night
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Did the sadistic, teenage psychopathic killer also tell his mother Corinne Mitchell about his 3 and a half hour phonecall with Kimberly Thompson on the Saturday night after Jodi Jones left
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Ronnie Mothersole
I still find it very strange That all of Jodi's clothing where gathered up without them being bagged individually and tagged
Then Jodi's body was moved
Before the forensics arrived
In my opinion this is police corruption
Ronnie Mothersole
Justice Seeker surely when it comes to a murder scene Every police officer knows procedure
So one must ask who gave the instruction to gather the items and move the body
It is very easy to prove that it was not negligence
“A GRAPHIC video of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body was played in court yesterday.
The shocking images showed that the 14-year-old's throat had apparently been slashed and she had suffered massive injuries to her left breast and stomach.
Articles of clothing were scattered around the area where her body was found in woodland near her home as well as a pair of spectacles.
And the leg of a pair of trousers was wrapped around one of her arms.
“They were also given a book of photographs which showed similar gruesome scenes.
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Donna Marie Boyce
So I've finished both books, listened to all the podcasts and watched the c5 documentary still I have questions that I feel should have been answered at the time since theyll never be answered now. Why did sk ask the police if they went to his first.
Gary Peden
It's bewildering that the initials DI stands for detective inspector as they neither inspected the scene nor did they detect anything given the DNA they actually found at the scene where [Name removed]'s body was found! Actually more bewildering is that the DNA they did find and actually invented a scenario to explain this away. Must take a lot of training to obliterate intuition and common sense
Sandra Lean
SK once said, on a forum chat, that he was "being humorous" when he asked that. Bear in mind, this is less than 15 minutes after he went over the wall and was reportedly "being sick" after seeing Jodi. I believe the actual crime scene was never looked for simply because they never moved from their contention that Jodi was killed where she was found - remember, they'd started building their case against Luke from the minute those first two officers arrived, so everything was viewed through that perspective.
No Sandra - it wasn’t ‘less than 15 minutes after he went over the wall’
If Steven Kelly did say what you allege - as usual you haven’t provided any evidence to support your claim - Steven was saying this years later because you and Corinne Mitchell were telling lies about him.
Telling anyone who would listen to you his blood was found on Jodi Jones T-shirt, and wrongly accusing him of psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s murder
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Sandra Lean
SK once said, on a forum chat, that he was "being humorous" when he asked that. Bear in mind, this is less than 15 minutes after he went over the wall and was reportedly "being sick" after seeing Jodi. I believe the actual crime scene was never looked for simply because they never moved from their contention that Jodi was killed where she was found - remember, they'd started building their case against Luke from the minute those first two officers arrived, so everything was viewed through that perspective.
No Sandra - it wasn’t ‘less than 15 minutes after he went over the wall’
If Steven Kelly did say what you allege - as usual you haven’t provided any evidence to support your claim - Steven was saying this years later because you and Corinne Mitchell were telling lies about him.
Telling anyone who would listen to you his blood was found on Jodi Jones T-shirt, and wrongly accusing him of psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s murder
And if Steven Kelly did post this on a forum and claimed he was “being humorous” - this could of been his coping mechanism in response to the trauma of what he had just witnessed
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Someone has been going round vandalising wherever with stickers
Sandra Lean
Brilliant, Dani - planning any visits to the High Court in the near future 🤣
Do these people not question why Sandra Lean has never done this and instead encourages others?
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https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/football-sticker-vandalism-adding-glasgows-131400822.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAABBFi-vImMkrYtj4z3aLPmUONo5nr4vq2hnnxGxLRgB75dp-HfqLUQIPOYpACOJluiiapadIG93tFh8JZnuiT21BzeDn-uc087QsJd_mnj7tLgXOYNaTLA0S5kbykA2cjySqGlxmi9YJEieAG2e_shc2XYFx_DyZiuhi5KT1Q3k
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”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.
As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night
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Was liar Corinne Mitchell shouting from her back garden (while eating her prawns) while her killer son Luke was in the living room - the same living room she told James English if you sat in you couldn’t hear anyone at the back door
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Corinne Mitchell has said she ate her dinner in the garden, Shane was in his bedroom and killer Luke Mitchell in the front room
The same from room liars Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean have said you couldn’t hear in if someone was at the back door
How then did Corinne Mitchell hear her killer son Luke at 5.15pm - 5.30pm 🙄 tell her Jodi Jones had sent him a text
It didn’t happen!
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
Ana Azaria Yeah from memory they did not even take an ambient temperature of the scene.
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Ana Azaria
Gary Peden Yes, they never gave any reason for the time being so specific - other than that it was the only time that Luke didn't have an alibi (his mum got home from work around 5.15pm). 5.15pm is the time that the moped was seen at the v break. If the suggestion was that Luke commited the murder after the moped boys left (they couldn't say how long they'd stayed), then that makes the time frame even shorter and even less possible for it to have been Luke.
The moped could not have been seen by the V in the wall!
Ask Sandra Lean to publish the court transcript of Leonard Kelly’s evidence during the trial
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Inka Oldmoot
Didn’t Sandra suggest Jodi might have smoked cannabis a couple of hours before she was killed, making her time of death later.
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Inka Oldmoot
But at the time she was killed she still hadn’t eaten.
Maybe it’s just me but the absence of food bothers me.
Either she wasn’t hungry or there was nothing available to eat (vodka can impede your cooking skills) or she didn’t want to wait while it was cooked.
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Inka Oldmoot
But at the time she was killed she still hadn’t eaten.
Maybe it’s just me but the absence of food bothers me.
Either she wasn’t hungry or there was not anything available to eat (vodka can impede your cooking skills) or she didn’t want to wait while it was cooked.
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Inka Oldmoot seemes to be one of the Chief Shamers. Have they ever done any research into the Mitchells culinary requirements on the night or is it just full steam ahead on smearing the J family? The absence of food in the Mitchell house is central to the whole case whereas whether [Name removed] had eaten or not did not prevent her from being murdered.
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The absence of food in the Mitchell house is central to the whole case whereas whether [Name removed] had eaten or not did not prevent her from being murdered.
I don’t agree the ‘absence of food in the Mitchell house is central to the whole case’ but all available evidence points to killer Luke Mitchell never having cooked a meal on the 30th June 2003
And the story changes regarding this lie - at the time - and over the years have been unbelievable
There’s been a chicken pie
a steak pie
And some years ago grifter Sandra Lean claimed Corinne Mitchell had prawns
Corinne then claimed she ate her prawns in the garden 🙄
It was also stated Corinne stopped off at a shop on her way home to buy cigarettes and booze
Has Sandra Lean ever published the shop receipt to show exactly what Corinne purchased from the shop that day ?
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Corinne Mitchell lied
“Mrs Mitchell said Luke ate his meal in the living room before setting off to meet Jodi at about 1740 GMT.
"They arranged to meet. He wasn't sure what time. All he knew was she was coming down," she said.
”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.
As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night
And Corinne Mitchell has since been further caught in the lie
She has since claimed she ate her alleged prawns in the garden
In reality - Corinne Mitchell does not appear to have known where her killer son was at this time
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Corinne Mitchell did not see her killer son Luke Mitchell when she returned home from work because he was behind the wall on Roans Dyke path committing his murder
“”She said her son had returned home at about 2100 GMT and told her Jodi had not turned up.
Mrs Mitchell said that had been a surprise to her, adding that Luke had been "miffed" at Jodi's non-appearance.
Asked whether her son had seemed anxious, she replied: "Not at that point, no."
And killer Luke Mitchell told the police he arrived home from the Abbey at 9:35pm NOT 9.00pm
If the killer had really told his mother Corinne Jodi Jones had not turned up why didn’t Luke or Corrine Mitchell telephone the Jones house to see if Jodi was home and was okay?
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I don’t agree the ‘absence of food in the Mitchell house is central to the whole case’ but all available evidence points to killer Luke Mitchell never having cooked a meal on the 30th June 2003
And what the evidence also points to is Jodi Jones may well have only been going to meet killer Luke Mitchell for a short while
Jodi Jones went out without eating telling her mother to save her some lasagne
If Jodi had found out about Kimberly Thompson, or another girl, it’s highly likely she wanted to confront killer Luke regarding this
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And what the evidence also points to is Jodi Jones may well have only been going to meet killer Luke Mitchell for a short while
Jodi Jones went out without eating telling her mother to save her some lasagne
If Jodi had found out about Kimberly Thompson, or another girl, it’s highly likely she wanted to confront killer Luke regarding this
Did Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell have an argument on the way home from school that day?
What did killer Luke tell the police about how he got home from school and who saw him
Were there any witnesses who said they saw him on his way home from school?
Was killer Luke Mitchell already at the other end of Roans Dyke path ([Name removed]’s end) when his text messages were sent to Jodi Jones?
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And what the evidence also points to is Jodi Jones may well have only been going to meet killer Luke Mitchell for a short while
Jodi Jones went out without eating telling her mother to save her some lasagne
If Jodi had found out about Kimberly Thompson, or another girl, it’s highly likely she wanted to confront killer Luke regarding this
Wasn’t this a suspicion the police had
It sounds like Jodi Jones was on to her cheating, lying boyfriend
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Wasn’t this a suspicion the police had
It sounds like Jodi Jones was on to her cheating, lying boyfriend
Innocence fraudster Sandra Lean can seemingly quote what she wants from a 14 year old girls private diary 8()(((@#- but there would obviously have been no entry for the 30th June 2003
And so no knowing what Jodi Jones state of mind was regarding her boyfriend killer Luke Mitchell when she met with him that day
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Innocence fraudster Sandra Lean can seemingly quote what she wants from a 14 year old girls private diary 8()(((@#- but there would obviously have been no entry for the 30th June 2003
And so no knowing what Jodi Jones state of mind was regarding her boyfriend killer Luke Mitchell when she met with him that day
Why did Donald Findlay choose to cross examine Geraldine Mackie with some of Jodi Jones private diary entries? 8()(((@#
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Heather Lungley
I had missed it first time it was shown in Feb 2021 Sharon. Great to see that more people are coming over after listening to Naomi’s podcast! She has made a really fantastic job of it.
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Oh, absolutely Heather she is lovely too! It was number 5 in the worlds top downloads not sure where it is now x
Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON.. (Part 158)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Angie Timothy
Heather Lungley im good at visulising things but my sister needs to look at things to work out whats were, ive had loads of people asking me why i was at holyrood aswell and when i told them i have had the same stuff said to me once ive explained a good bit to them they are the same away down the rabbit hole and a lot have come back to me and said this isnt right i believe that laddie hasnt done this or that laddie is innocent, Its amazing the amount of new members we have had since all the truth is coming out about destroying of evidence etc, everyone has done brilliant getting the word out there.
Con artists like killer Luke Mitchell and Sandra Lean ‘appeal to the dreamer in you’
Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
More projections from this ‘witch’ who has been duping anyone who will listen to her for years
By Sandra Lean & a sadistic, psychopathic & misogynistic killer
Con artists hack your brain ... with your permission
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https://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4295009014
12 Tricks Con Artists Use to Win Your Trust
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https://www.rd.com/list/con-artists-win-trust/
Why Do People Believe Con Artists?
…con artists are especially skillful at what social scientists call framing, telling stories in ways that appeal to the biases, beliefs and prominent desires of their targets. They use strategies that take advantage of human weaknesses.
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https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/02/25/why-do-people-believe-con-artists/
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Inka Oldmoot seemes to be one of the Chief Shamers.
Sandra Lean is taking advantage of people like Inka Oldmoot’s human weaknesses
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Suzy Hall
Upon reading a blog I did find this regarding the V in the wall and wondered if someone could help me with the following paragraph:-
Suzy Hall
Ana Azaria thank you! I just wanted to blow this author's claim.
Sharon Indy Sunshine
You are very welcome Suzy and I agree! It’s why we try to avoid it
It’s a shame people like Sharon Indy Sunshine are choosing to remain blinkered regarding killer Luke Mitchell and Sandra Lean’s blatant innocence fraud
Suzy Hall commented on ‘guest blogs’ written by Parky, which were originally posted on this forum
Have a read of con artist Sandra Lean’s chapter from her first discredited book No Smoke on killer Simon Hall
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Then have a read of this - or vice versa
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
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Mrs Walker, 67, said: 'The only place I could think to go was the path because that was the last place Jodi was going.
'As we were walking down the path, Judith (Jodi's mum) either texted or phoned to say Luke was at the other end of the path and was going to meet up with us.'
They met Mitchell with his German shepherd and he asked Mrs Walker, who was with Jodi's sister Janine and her fiance, Steven Kelly, if they had anything of Jodi's so the dog could get a scent.
The High Court in Edinburgh was told that Mitchell said he hadn't seen anything walking up the path but Mrs Walker wanted to walk down to check for herself.
She shone her torch into undergrowth and shouted out Jodi's name and Mitchell was saying 'Seek Jodi' to the dog.
Mitchell was leading the group when he came to a V-shaped gap in the wall.
Mrs Walker said he went to the gap, handed the dog on the leash to her and climbed over.
She said: 'He had just gone over the wall, came back and said there's something there.
It’s not clear by the framing of the wording of the above whether or not killer Luke Mitchell climbed back over the wall to again be back on the path side or whether he was still on the other side of the wall - to which he had just climbed over
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“She said: 'He had just gone over the wall, came back and said there's something there.
'Steven went over next ... I couldn't make out what he said ... I think he was being sick or something. He came back over the wall and was in a state.'
She, too, then clambered over the wall.
Mrs Walker said: 'I was shining my torch and I could see something.
'It was a light-coloured shape and I thought it was an animal or something.
'I couldn't see for a tree what it was and when I was past the tree I noticed it was Jodi. I stopped and Jodi was just lying there. She didn't have her glasses on.'
Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, asked what her reaction would be if it was suggested that Mitchell had walked past the V-shape and that his dog started clawing at the wall at a spot where Jodi's body lay on the other side.
She replied: 'No, because we didn't walk past that.'
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Cross-examined by Donald Findlay, QC, she agreed Mitchell had not protested about going back down the path.
Findlay asked: 'Do you agree had it not been for the fact that Luke went over the wall the four of you would have walked right past Jodi?'
Mrs Walker replied: 'Yes, I would have walked straight down because I would never have looked over the wall.
'The only reason Jodi was there was she went there with someone she knew, as no stranger would have got her across that wall.'
During her evidence, she tearfully decribed seeing her granddaughter's body.
She said: 'Jodi was just lying there and the bottom part of her was twisted.
'She was looking up at the sky and her eyes were open. I was standing there looking because I couldn't believe it. I noticed the mark on her neck.
'I did go closer up to Jodi and I actually touched her forehead.'
At that point, Jodi's mum, Judith, and her sister, Janine, hurriedly left the courtroom.
Sandra Lean is duping you all and choosing to re-victimise and re-traumatise Jodi Jones loved ones
It’s what she does!
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Craig Cherubini
Very disrespectful. You have absolutely no idea if he is innocent or not.
Dani Justice
Craig Cherubini I disagree with your opinion my stickers are wrongful act and disrespectful .Will continue to also until something is done x
Is Dani Justice looking to get arrested and/or fined for vandalism ?
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Wasn’t this a suspicion the police had
It sounds like Jodi Jones was on to her cheating, lying boyfriend
In what way does it sound like Jodi was onto Luke? Was there anything to say she knew about them? Did she not leave the house happy according to her mum? Or is there a reason you believe Jodi might have known?
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Wasn’t this a suspicion the police had
It sounds like Jodi Jones was on to her cheating, lying boyfriend
Jodi Jones was “very level headed" but also "very strong minded”
And Sandra Lean appears to have dismissed Jodi Jones character and personality
“That is really dangerous and I will have to be very careful. I have had my trust broken too many times”~Jodi Jones
It’s also possible killer Luke Mitchell could have been jealous of Alistair Leitch - who was with them both in the Chinese gardens that day
“Alistair Leitch, 17, who attends St David's High School in Dalkeith, Midlothian, said Mitchell rolled joints "pretty much every day".
And he claimed that Mitchell and Jodi smoked cannabis during the lunch break on June 30 last year.
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Shirley English wrote several articles for the Times
3rd July 2003 - Schoolgirls killer appeared to know the area say detectives
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schoolgirls-killer-appeared-to-know-the-area-say-detectives-msgldjpxft7
7th July 2003 - Reconstruction of Jodi Jones final walk in bid for clues
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/reconstruction-of-jodis-final-walk-in-bid-for-clues-glj2czlqpcl
9th July 2003 - Drivers sought in Jodi murder hunt
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drivers-sought-in-jodi-murder-hunt-2swss37p500
16th July 2003 - Don’t let someone else’s baby be taken, plead Jodi’s family
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-let-someone-elses-baby-be-taken-plead-jodis-family-d597dnhhqv0
17th July 2003 - Jodi police reveal man was seen walking behind her
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-police-reveal-man-was-seen-walking-behind-her-dmlqhpkl96p
18th August 2003 - Vagrant sought by police hunting for Jodi’s killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vagrant-sought-by-police-hunting-for-jodis-killer-96grrthfq59
4th September 2003 - Jodie’s boyfriend told to stay away from her funeral
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-told-to-stay-away-from-her-funeral-grfjzjrvd8g
10th September 2003 - Joni’s boyfriend seek new school
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-seeks-new-school-znf3xqfhtbw
20th Nov 2003 - Jodi boyfriend school ban stays
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-school-ban-stays-djp0bd0728v
25th November 2003 - Boyfriend is sole suspect in case of murdered girl, 14
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boyfriend-is-sole-suspect-in-case-of-murdered-girl-14-rpxqtgttm39
15th April 2004 - boy 15 held over Jodie’s murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boy-15-held-over-jodis-murder-3wp2xpgh2s5
13th November 2004 - Jury sees mutilated Jodi pictures
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jury-sees-mutilated-jodi-pictures-g338qz9hfgj
10th December 2004 - Jodi’s boyfriend calm after body found, says sister
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodis-boyfriend-calm-after-body-found-says-sister-zchblpkgtj3
15th December 2004 - Jodi tied up with trousers Court told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-tied-up-with-trousers-court-told-dndpxjk9sxs
17th December 2004 - Jodi trial is told of 666 knife pouch
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-trial-is-told-of-666-knife-pouch-gl36lq9m38v
31st December 2004 - Accused two times Jodi Jones lookalike
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accused-two-timed-jodi-jones-lookalike-tltkbkbxdbt
11th January 2005 - Accused brother changed Jodi story
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accuseds-brother-changed-jodi-story-z8dmfdv8nl
24th November 2004 - Jodi cousin denies that he is the real killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-cousin-denies-that-he-is-the-real-killer-28zhcw693l8
16th December 2004 - No dna evidence to link boyfriend with Jodi murder
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-dna-evidence-to-link-boyfriend-with-jodi-murder-37b29ng7l6q
14th Jan 2005 - Jodi boyfriend ‘was cooking dinner’
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jodi-boyfriend-was-cooking-dinner-xpv2b0l6xn8
19th January 2005 - Luke a confident killer Jodi trial told
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luke-a-confident-killer-jodi-trial-told-ck8wv6bg89z
21st January 2005 - The disturbing obsessions of a teenage killer
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-disturbing-obsessions-of-a-teenage-killer-ddvzc9gt55b
22nd January 2005 - The teenage killer obsessed with Satan, knives and sex
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-teenage-killer-obsessed-with-satan-knives-and-sex-n5k302v768g
Why haven’t innocence fraud pushers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes ever mentioned Shirley English - who wrote over double the amount of articles Jane Hamilton wrote.
And why did they attempt to smear, attack and harass Jane Hamilton
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I don’t agree the ‘absence of food in the Mitchell house is central to the whole case’ but all available evidence points to killer Luke Mitchell never having cooked a meal on the 30th June 2003
And the story changes regarding this lie - at the time - and over the years have been unbelievable
There’s been a chicken pie
a steak pie
And some years ago grifter Sandra Lean claimed Corinne Mitchell had prawns
Corinne then claimed she ate her prawns in the garden 🙄
It was also stated Corinne stopped off at a shop on her way home to buy cigarettes and booze
Has Sandra Lean ever published the shop receipt to show exactly what Corinne purchased from the shop that day ?
Anyone any ideas of Corinne Mitchell’s exact shopping list that day?
Has anyone seen the receipt?
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Why haven’t innocence fraud pushers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes ever mentioned Shirley English - who wrote over double the amount of articles Jane Hamilton wrote.
And why did they attempt to smear, attack and harass Jane Hamilton
No idea but Det. Forbes is obsessed by JH.
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No idea but Det. Forbes is obsessed by JH.
He most definitely is and it’s creepy
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How many times did Sandra Lean say ‘ordinary people’ in that TV show ?
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He most definitely is and it’s creepy
Not only is Scott Forbes creepy he’s delusional imo
Forbes stated;
‘The first policeman on the scene asked Luke Mitchell to go back over the wall with him to show him where Jodi was. “I'm not going back over there” came his response, his legs nearly buckling underneath him, as he propped himself up against the wall.
Killer Luke Mitchell stayed on over the other side of that wall for the longest time when he was with the ‘search trio’
Not once has it ever been said this killers legs were ‘ nearly buckling underneath him’
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Not only is Scott Forbes creepy he’s delusional imo
Forbes stated;
‘The first policeman on the scene asked Luke Mitchell to go back over the wall with him to show him where Jodi was. “I'm not going back over there” came his response, his legs nearly buckling underneath him, as he propped himself up against the wall.
Killer Luke Mitchell stayed on over the other side of that wall for the longest time when he was with the ‘search trio’
Not once has it ever been said this killers legs were ‘ nearly buckling underneath him’
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The above is a variation on what sadistic killer Luke Mitchell said to Roslyn Little in 2018
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“The only reason I didn’t fall over was because I was gripping onto the railing in the dock so tightly”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
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No idea but JF himself in court agreed that they had stopped the moped at the break in the wall ( see previous post).
Was it because Donald Findlay used the ‘Reid technique’
Sandra Lean
The Reid technique, in a nutshell, is lying about evidence they claim to have, when they don’t, just to attempt to get the “cave in” answer they want. They move onto a totally unrelated question {to create confusion} then circle back to the original question…on and on, all in the hope their target will slip up somewhere.
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Sandra Lean
…by playing with the mind psychologically
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Sandra Lean
No matter how much you, as a person know ‘the truth’, every time something confusing or contrary to what you know is introduced, your mind automatically tries to make sense of it, but it can’t because it doesn’t make any logical sense, but
while your mind is distracted with that, they’re chucking in a whole raft of new information and questions, knowing you’re not paying full attention to it, because you’re still trying to work out the first bit.
Your ‘techniques’ are see through Sandra
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Was it because Donald Findlay used the ‘Reid technique’
Sandra Lean
The Reid technique, in a nutshell, is lying about evidence they claim to have, when they don’t, just to attempt to get the “cave in” answer they want. They move onto a totally unrelated question {to create confusion} then circle back to the original question…on and on, all in the hope their target will slip up somewhere.
or the ‘persuasion part of the technique’
Sandra Lean
The Reid technique was not only used to try trick and manipulate Luke during the interrogation, they actually used the persuasion part of the technique that they adapted on potential witnesses, by playing with the mind psychologically. It’s highly inappropriate and controversial, yet aspects of the Reid technique are still used today.
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Why did Corinne Mitchell seemingly send her killer son Luke Mitchell out searching for Jodi Jones before she knew Jodi was missing and before the text message from Judith Jones?
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“Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.
This 👆🏽alleged camping trip, sometime after December 2003
What knife were they planning to use for the alleged camping trip in July 2003?
Didn’t they say that was what killer Luke Mitchell would be doing instead of meeting with Kimberly Thompson?
“Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, told the jury she and Mr Mitchell kept in contact after the summer of 2002 and met up in October, on Boxing Day and on Valentine's Day the following year.
She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
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In what way does it sound like Jodi was onto Luke? Was there anything to say she knew about them? Did she not leave the house happy according to her mum? Or is there a reason you believe Jodi might have known?
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell Jodi Jones he was doing that following weekend (5th/6th July 2003) and why wasn’t he at his father Philip Mitchell’s house on the weekend of 28th - 29th June 2003?
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“Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, told the jury she and Mr Mitchell kept in contact after the summer of 2002 and met up in October, on Boxing Day and on Valentine's Day the following year.
She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
What did Kimberly Thomson say in her evidence about killer Luke Mitchell and his knife collection?
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“Mrs Mitchell, 45. The witness, who says she does not approve of youngsters carrying knives, admits ordering Mitchell a knife from a catalogue for Christmas 2003. She says he needed it for a camping trip.
Corinne Mitchell knew her killer son Luke carried knives
“JODI JONES'S best friend told how the teenager confided in her about fears she had over Luke Mitchell's knife obsession. Months before she was killed, the 14-year-old told closest pal Kirsten Ford: 'Luke has all these knives in his bedroom. Isn't that weird?'
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In what way does it sound like Jodi was onto Luke?
And Jodi Jones had previously suspected killer Luke Mitchell was ‘cheating on her’ with Laura Wightman
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What did killer Luke Mitchell tell Jodi Jones he was doing that following weekend (5th/6th July 2003) and why wasn’t he at his father Philip Mitchell’s house on the weekend of 28th - 29th June 2003?
“The jury at his trial in 2004 heard Mitchell was planning to visit Kenmore during the school summer holidays, days after Jodi's death in June 2003.
The trial also heard neither girl seemed to know about the other.
Mr Beckett told the appeal judges: "It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there."
The judges were informed Mitchell told police investigating the murder he had not spoken to Kimberley since January 2003, but records showed 79 calls between then and the end of June.
There was also a Valentine's Day visit.
Just two days before her murder, Jodi left Mitchell's house, by taxi, about 10pm. After that there was a series of long telephone calls, totalling more than three hours.
Mr Beckett said it was an example of how Mitchell was prepared to lie, even in the face of known evidence.
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“The jury at his trial in 2004 heard Mitchell was planning to visit Kenmore during the school summer holidays, days after Jodi's death in June 2003.
The trial also heard neither girl seemed to know about the other.
Mr Beckett told the appeal judges: "It offers a possible explanation for conflict with Jodi at the time.
"If he was going to disappear to Kenmore to visit a girl Jodi didn't know anything about, the potential for conflict was there."
The judges were informed Mitchell told police investigating the murder he had not spoken to Kimberley since January 2003, but records showed 79 calls between then and the end of June.
There was also a Valentine's Day visit.
Just two days before her murder, Jodi left Mitchell's house, by taxi, about 10pm. After that there was a series of long telephone calls, totalling more than three hours.
Mr Beckett said it was an example of how Mitchell was prepared to lie, even in the face of known evidence.
Corinne Mitchell claimed this trip was cancelled
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“The jury at his trial in 2004 heard Mitchell was planning to visit Kenmore during the school summer holidays, days after Jodi's death in June 2003.
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about his visit to Kenmore during the school summer holidays?
And again what were Jodi Jones thoughts regarding this?
And why wasn’t killer Luke Mitchell spending the summer holidays with Jodi Jones?
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“The jury at his trial in 2004 heard Mitchell was planning to visit Kenmore during the school summer holidays, days after Jodi's death in June 2003.
Did Corinne Mitchell invite Jodi Jones on the trip she claimed they had planned?
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“Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, told the jury she and Mr Mitchell kept in contact after the summer of 2002 and met up in October, on Boxing Day and on Valentine's Day the following year.
She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
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What are the details surrounding why exactly killer Luke Mitchell’s trip to Kenmore was cancelled and was it Corinne Mitchell who cancelled the trip?
“Mrs Mitchell said she liked Jodi and described her as 'friendly, quite shy at times, and always smiling'.
She said Luke had previously gone out with Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire.
The girl, then 14, had slept in the same room at Luke at their home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian.
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What are the details surrounding why exactly killer Luke Mitchell’s trip to Kenmore was cancelled and was it Corinne Mitchell who cancelled the trip?
“Mrs Mitchell said she liked Jodi and described her as 'friendly, quite shy at times, and always smiling'.
She said Luke had previously gone out with Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire.
The girl, then 14, had slept in the same room at Luke at their home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian.
Did killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell he had spoken to Kimberly Thompson for over 3 hours on
the Saturday night?
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Or is there a reason you believe Jodi might have known?
That trip to Kenmore
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Adele Brownless
Is Michelle Diskin-Bates on any of Luke's groups?
I think she would be most helpful 💪🏻
Michelle Diskin Bates
Hello Adele, thanks for reaching out. I am indeed very interested in the Luke Mitchell case, Luke and his mum have been on my heart for years. In fact, his mum contacted me a few years ago when I angrily responded to a bad write up in a local Scottish paper. The journalist found my number, rang me in Ireland and carried out an interview with me over the phone where I told him of the awful wrongful conviction of Luke, what was wrong with the case, and that he (Journo) should be ashamed of himself for writing this appalling article without checking his facts.
His mum said it was the first positive piece she’d seen written in a paper in Scotland. 🥰
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She’s referring to the Daily Record 🙄
Corinne Mitchell 18th September 2010
Sorry, lost the link, I brought it in to Luke for him to see!!!.....The Daily Star did a very "out of character" article on him, reporting that he had support on his website including support from Barry Georges's sister.
Corinne Mitchell
Simple really "alison"........I only get a paper when I get a call to say they have done an article on Luke. Human nature! If someone is writing something about your child you want to know what they are writing!
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TWISTED MITCHELL PALS WITH FELLOW GIRLFRIEND KILLER
TEENAGE murderer Luke Mitchell has struck up a sick prison friendship with David Whitelaw - another fiend caged for slaying a girlfriend.
The twisted pair are in the same hall at tough Shotts nick, Lanarkshire, and have become inseparable - spending all their recreation time together, chatting and playing pool.
"This must be the most evil pairing ever - two of Scotland's most notorious killers sharing their warped thoughts together," said one prison source.
"It is like they're joined at the hip - they go everywhere together if they're not locked up. They have become close friends and really do seem to get on well - but it's a friendship forged in hell."
Mitchell, 22, and Whitelaw, 49, have one grim thing in common as both are serving life sentences for killing their girlfriends.
Mitchell was caged for at least 20 years at the High Court in Edinburgh in 2005 for butchering 14- year-old Jodi Jones in 2003.
He was just 14 when he stabbed the schoolgirl to death and mutilated her body on a woodland path in Dalkeith, Midlothian.
At the High Court in Aberdeen in 2007, warped Whitelaw was ordered to spend a minimum of 14 years behind bars for murdering girlfriend Lisa Nelson, 26, in 2006. He strangled Lisa with a cord, wrapped her body in bin bags, hid it in a cupboard at his flat in Leven, Fife, and fled.
Weeks passed before her body was found after Lisa's concerned relatives raised the alarm.
Ironically, Whitelaw (right) hit the headlines last year when he falsely claimed to be related to Jodi.
The vile lag told warders he wanted a transfer out of Shotts because Mitchell was being moved there from Polmont Young Offenders' Institution, near Falkirk.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/exclusive-sick-murderer-claims-jodi-1032248
He warned officers to "expect trouble" if they forced him to live anywhere near her murderer.
But Whitelaw is not related to Jodi at all and sources said he had made up the story as an excuse to try to get a move to Saughton Prison in Edinburgh to be closer to his family.
Our insider added: "It's quite ironic how Whitelaw had been trying to get away from Mitchell.
"Mitchell obviously wasn't offended that his new best friend pretended to be related to his victim - it's a very twisted pairing."
Whitelaw is 27 years Mitchell's senior, and our source added: "Some cons are saying that Mitchell looks up to Whitelaw as some kind of father figure - someone to look out for him now he's in with the big boys.
"The mind boggles just thinking about the kind of father-son style chats they must have."
Last night the Scottish Prison Service said: "We do not comment on individual prisoners."
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TWISTED MITCHELL PALS WITH FELLOW GIRLFRIEND KILLER
TEENAGE murderer Luke Mitchell has struck up a sick prison friendship with David Whitelaw - another fiend caged for slaying a girlfriend.
The twisted pair are in the same hall at tough Shotts nick, Lanarkshire, and have become inseparable - spending all their recreation time together, chatting and playing pool.
"This must be the most evil pairing ever - two of Scotland's most notorious killers sharing their warped thoughts together," said one prison source.
"It is like they're joined at the hip - they go everywhere together if they're not locked up. They have become close friends and really do seem to get on well - but it's a friendship forged in hell."
Mitchell, 22, and Whitelaw, 49, have one grim thing in common as both are serving life sentences for killing their girlfriends.
Mitchell was caged for at least 20 years at the High Court in Edinburgh in 2005 for butchering 14- year-old Jodi Jones in 2003.
He was just 14 when he stabbed the schoolgirl to death and mutilated her body on a woodland path in Dalkeith, Midlothian.
At the High Court in Aberdeen in 2007, warped Whitelaw was ordered to spend a minimum of 14 years behind bars for murdering girlfriend Lisa Nelson, 26, in 2006. He strangled Lisa with a cord, wrapped her body in bin bags, hid it in a cupboard at his flat in Leven, Fife, and fled.
Weeks passed before her body was found after Lisa's concerned relatives raised the alarm.
Ironically, Whitelaw (right) hit the headlines last year when he falsely claimed to be related to Jodi.
The vile lag told warders he wanted a transfer out of Shotts because Mitchell was being moved there from Polmont Young Offenders' Institution, near Falkirk.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/exclusive-sick-murderer-claims-jodi-1032248
He warned officers to "expect trouble" if they forced him to live anywhere near her murderer.
But Whitelaw is not related to Jodi at all and sources said he had made up the story as an excuse to try to get a move to Saughton Prison in Edinburgh to be closer to his family.
Our insider added: "It's quite ironic how Whitelaw had been trying to get away from Mitchell.
"Mitchell obviously wasn't offended that his new best friend pretended to be related to his victim - it's a very twisted pairing."
Whitelaw is 27 years Mitchell's senior, and our source added: "Some cons are saying that Mitchell looks up to Whitelaw as some kind of father figure - someone to look out for him now he's in with the big boys.
"The mind boggles just thinking about the kind of father-son style chats they must have."
Last night the Scottish Prison Service said: "We do not comment on individual prisoners."
Why have innocence fraud pushers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes targeted Jane Hamilton but not mentioned Nichola Stow?
Corinne Mitchell 19th September 2010
Sorry to burst your bubble Wullie! Its Nicola Stow.......MODERATED...She has a history of writing... MODERATED..about Luke. Luke has just been on the 'phone to me as his guards laughingly gave him a copy as they know Luke has nothing to do with this individual.
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Why have innocence fraud pushers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes targeted Jane Hamilton but not mentioned Nichola Stow?
Corinne Mitchell 19th September 2010
Sorry to burst your bubble Wullie! Its Nicola Stow.......MODERATED...She has a history of writing... MODERATED..about Luke. Luke has just been on the 'phone to me as his guards laughingly gave him a copy as they know Luke has nothing to do with this individual.
Why has Corinne Mitchell never mentioned Jane Hamilton?
Corinne Mitchell 27th September 2010
Well! for 7 years I have complained to the Press Complaints Commission about the Daily Record and other tabloids about the lies and rubbish they have printed about Luke so to~day I was pleasantly surprised and shocked to read the article they have put in.
Apart from using the name "killer" in the headline the article was, on the whole good.......Not at all expected from The Daily Record
Could things be a changing??? [/color]
Corinne Mitchell 2nd October 2010
Surprisingly good for work by Amy Devine. For years she has put out utter rubbish about my family so it is good she can actually do an article without any sensationalism
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Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell is a grave risk to women in particular
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Mitchell team links Greens to Jodi killing Excerpts by Bob Smyth - 13th February 2012
”MURDERER Luke Mitchell is to renew attempts to clear his name by blaming the Da Vinci Code rapist for killing teenager Jodi Jones.
His solicitors are putting together a case which will allege convicted rapist Robert Greens was responsible, it has been reported.
Mitchell was jailed in 2005 for the schoolgirl murder which made headlines across the UK.
It is understood the dossier will be put in front of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, citing the fact Greens was in the area at the time and the modus operandi was similar to his offence.
The reports author, Sandra Lean, who is helping Mitchells defence team, said: When I realised Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time, it sent a shiver through my spine. Its hard to believe no-one has joined the dots since he became so notorious.
Mrs Lean, who holds a paralegal qualification in criminal law, is
helping Mitchell's defence team prepare the SCCRC dossier.
Yesterday she told the Scottish Mail on Sunday: "When I realised
Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time it
sent a shiver through me.
"He comes from Mayfield, near the homes of Luke and Jodi in Newbattle
and Easthouses. It's hard to believe no one has joined the dots since
he became so notorious.
"He had a criminal record for violence before the rape and had been in
and out of detention since he was a teenager.
"My information is that at the time of Jodi's murder Greens was
visiting his sister regularly on his way home from work.
"Jodi's murder was said to have been around 5.15pm - the same time of
day Greens struck.
"Greens' sister lived in Newtongrange.
"It's only a short walk from Roan's Dyke, the secluded path where
Jodi's body was found lying behind a wall.
"The modus operandi of Greens strikes me as similar. He saw his victim
walking in a wooded area and had a knife when he attacked her."
Greens was jailed for 10 years in 2006 after attacking a 19-year-old
Dutch student who was in Scotland for a gap year.
He pounced on her as she was walking near Rosslyn Chapel in
Midlothian, which featured in bestselling book The Da Vinci Code.
After asking if she was a virgin, Greens dragged her along the ground,
threatened her with a knife, raped her and beat her so badly it looked
as though she'd been in a car crash.
The 34-year-old was freed from prison last month after serving less
than six years.
Yesterday Mrs Lean said: "We have to ask if Greens crossed the
police's radar at the time Jodi was killed.
"I don't know if he has an alibi for Jodi's murder.
"But I know the police have never accepted there could be other
possible suspects and have never been proactive in looking for any."
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Sandra Lean 13th February 2012
There is no "scattergun" approach - my position has been consistent for 8 years - the "investigation" failed to properly investigate potential other suspects and crucial information, leaving these questions unanswered for all these years.
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Mitchell team links Greens to Jodi killing Excerpts by Bob Smyth - 13th February 2012
”MURDERER Luke Mitchell is to renew attempts to clear his name by blaming the Da Vinci Code rapist for killing teenager Jodi Jones.
His solicitors are putting together a case which will allege convicted rapist Robert Greens was responsible, it has been reported.
Mitchell was jailed in 2005 for the schoolgirl murder which made headlines across the UK.
It is understood the dossier will be put in front of the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, citing the fact Greens was in the area at the time and the modus operandi was similar to his offence.
The reports author, Sandra Lean, who is helping Mitchells defence team, said: When I realised Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time, it sent a shiver through my spine. Its hard to believe no-one has joined the dots since he became so notorious.
Mrs Lean, who holds a paralegal qualification in criminal law, is
helping Mitchell's defence team prepare the SCCRC dossier.
Yesterday she told the Scottish Mail on Sunday: "When I realised
Greens had apparently been regularly in the vicinity at the time it
sent a shiver through me.
"He comes from Mayfield, near the homes of Luke and Jodi in Newbattle
and Easthouses. It's hard to believe no one has joined the dots since
he became so notorious.
"He had a criminal record for violence before the rape and had been in
and out of detention since he was a teenager.
"My information is that at the time of Jodi's murder Greens was
visiting his sister regularly on his way home from work.
"Jodi's murder was said to have been around 5.15pm - the same time of
day Greens struck.
Why did Innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean accept the TOD as being 5:15pm for Robert Greens but not for psychopathic, sadist killer Luke Mitchell?
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Heather Brunt
I often look at my shepherd and think of Mia and how much Luke, a 14 year old boy took his dog a torch to help and he's paid the toughest price, just for helping.
It's a strange feeling being so invested when I don't know him but I know right from wrong 👍
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That trip to Kenmore
You stated it sounded like Jodi was onto Luke and Kimberly, what makes you think this? Did she know about the trip? Was there something in her diary, did she tell anyone her suspicions, did she act like someone who thought her bf was cheating on her when she left that evening? I’ve always wondered about motive but never seen any evidence of any as yet so be good to understand why you think she was onto him.
You also said Luke might have been jealous of the friend they met up with at lunch, what makes you think this?
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Heather Brunt
I often look at my shepherd and think of Mia and how much Luke, a 14 year old boy took his dog a torch to help and he's paid the toughest price, just for helping.
It's a strange feeling being so invested when I don't know him but I know right from wrong
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Surreal for sure. She's so lucky it wasn't her daughter that Mitchell almost decapitated.
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You stated it sounded like Jodi was onto Luke and Kimberly, what makes you think this? Did she know about the trip? Was there something in her diary, did she tell anyone her suspicions, did she act like someone who thought her bf was cheating on her when she left that evening? I’ve always wondered about motive but never seen any evidence of any as yet so be good to understand why you think she was onto him.
You also said Luke might have been jealous of the friend they met up with at lunch, what makes you think this?
OK, firstly, Jodi Jones would have been fully aware of LM's planned holiday, he was not just going to say to her on the day he was going away. Did she know about KT from there, then every probability - LW first of all, friend of LM's for years would know his other girlfriends. Every chance LM would have told Jodi of relationships had. Therefore yes, a very high probability she knew of the girl and definitely knew that LM was going on holiday there.
Jodi had been on punishments for weeks, a tough time no doubt - Fully lifted that day, of course the girl was going to be upbeat about this being lifted. If she knew of the girl, the holiday, something troubling her, then having the opportunity to have this out with LM sooner than later, is also reason for lifting her mood. We are told the girl was of strong character, someone who would without doubt have pulled LM around this. As stated before, adoration to confrontation - A red rag to some natures?
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Surreal for sure. She's so lucky it wasn't her daughter that Mitchell almost decapitated.
Sure is surreal - Led up the proverbial path here. The dog had nothing, that is zero to do with LM going over that wall, a fact that has on repeat been proved beyond all doubt.
The fables - SL that the dog "may" have given off two false alerts before the V. Dani B and the dog did nothing before the V thus LM would know to go left. SD, I "think" the dog sniffed left when standing up against the V.
The trio, first statement to testimony, and stationary at the V - LM some 60ft down to exactly 43ft and "parallel to" After going to the Gino spot because he had a "hunch" He was paving the way, making up the dog and where on that path. Goodness knows what he had been doing for 22mins before meeting the others, or indeed what he had been doing since leaving the house with the dog some time after 10pm.
No evidence they say - No alibi, the ludicrous application of multiple doppelgangers being seen in Mitchell clothes. 90mins of waiting on a girl who "might" have been going to his. Wearing that coat with many others around him on the 13th of June 2003 to a 'gig' up town with Jodi, never seen again after the murder. The brown handled Skunting knife. DNA of absolutely no value, it could not be used as evidence, no forensic evidence at all pointing this murder elsewhere. Did not go home at 9pm, did not go home until 10pm. 6 mins of his actions to find that body (cough, fuelled with lies), 10-20 seconds to walk around 10steps and back behind that wall (fuelled with lies). Abnormal reactions at all times.
The fallacy, the constant lies. LM and he had walked up the path looking, the enablers and he raced up it. LM, met with other at top, he was lying. LM, they walked back down together, the enablers, it was AW, the Jones family who made him go back down, and on it goes, to avoid that clear special knowledge. 6 bloody minutes of special knowledge fuelled with lies from LM.
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Sure is surreal - Led up the proverbial path here. The dog had nothing, that is zero to do with LM going over that wall, a fact that has on repeat been proved beyond all doubt.
The fables - SL that the dog "may" have given off two false alerts before the V. Dani B and the dog did nothing before the V thus LM would know to go left. SD, I "think" the dog sniffed left when standing up against the V.
The trio, first statement to testimony, and stationary at the V - LM some 60ft down to exactly 43ft and "parallel to" After going to the Gino spot because he had a "hunch" He was paving the way, making up the dog and where on that path. Goodness knows what he had been doing for 22mins before meeting the others, or indeed what he had been doing since leaving the house with the dog some time after 10pm.
No evidence they say - No alibi, the ludicrous application of multiple doppelgangers being seen in Mitchell clothes. 90mins of waiting on a girl who "might" have been going to his. Wearing that coat with many others around him on the 13th of June 2003 to a 'gig' up town with Jodi, never seen again after the murder. The brown handled Skunting knife. DNA of absolutely no value, it could not be used as evidence, no forensic evidence at all pointing this murder elsewhere. Did not go home at 9pm, did not go home until 10pm. 6 mins of his actions to find that body (cough, fuelled with lies), 10-20 seconds to walk around 10steps and back behind that wall (fuelled with lies). Abnormal reactions at all times.
The fallacy, the constant lies. LM and he had walked up the path looking, the enablers and he raced up it. LM, met with other at top, he was lying. LM, they walked back down together, the enablers, it was AW, the Jones family who made him go back down, and on it goes, to avoid that clear special knowledge. 6 bloody minutes of special knowledge fuelled with lies from LM.
Initiated an actual physical search directly to the locus area, within the first 20mins and he is physically at the locus. Meets with others and he instantly introduces the woodland beyond that wall, the actual locus. 6mins he has found his something. Told the police he had never been in there before, told them he had never seen those breaks in the wall before that night. Not a dam bit of honesty in any of it. The only person to hand an alibi over on a plate in the very first instance, rehearsed. A completely false account that was also proved beyond any doubt to have been made up. The ridiculous obtuse questions put in place, such as "who made the dinner, someone had to have made it?" - What dinner? SM sure as hell did not have any pies, chicken/steak burnt or otherwise. CM sure as hell did not either. And still nearly 20yrs on we wait to find out how she prepped her prawns! We know virtually nothing of the mountains of information/statements/evidence obtained from the Mitchells, it remains hidden unless it can be sourced on line - How many mobile phones and sim cards did the Jones family have? Relevant, not in the slightest! Their mobile phones and sim cards did NOT produce what came forward from LM, not his mother or brother.
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OK, firstly, Jodi Jones would have been fully aware of LM's planned holiday, he was not just going to say to her on the day he was going away. Did she know about KT from there, then every probability - LW first of all, friend of LM's for years would know his other girlfriends. Every chance LM would have told Jodi of relationships had. Therefore yes, a very high probability she knew of the girl and definitely knew that LM was going on holiday there.
Jodi had been on punishments for weeks, a tough time no doubt - Fully lifted that day, of course the girl was going to be upbeat about this being lifted. If she knew of the girl, the holiday, something troubling her, then having the opportunity to have this out with LM sooner than later, is also reason for lifting her mood. We are told the girl was of strong character, someone who would without doubt have pulled LM around this. As stated before, adoration to confrontation - A red rag to some natures?
So you think she knew about his last relationship and the fact he was going on holiday there and his “ex” would be there might have caused an argument. I can totally see that happening, I’m sure if she knew she would definitely be worried about him meeting up with his ex. Does anyone know if she wrote about it in her diary or mentioned it to friends. I kept a diary at that age, that is definitely something she would put in there, unless she was worried Luke might read it. I use to use code with things I was worried my mum might read, was there anything like that in the diary?
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Corinne Mitchell knew by the time she was sat next to her sadistic killer son Luke Mitchell in Dalkeith police station, whilst he was giving his 22 page written witness statement, that he’d killed Jodi Jones - and she became his accomplice.
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Goodness knows what he had been doing for 22mins before meeting the others, or indeed what he had been doing since leaving the house with the dog some time after 10pm.
And if it was Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion at this time for her killer son Luke Mitchell to go out and look for Jodi Jones, as he told the police in Dalkeith police station - she already had an idea he was behind her disappearance,
Corinne Mitchell knew of the assaults on those other girls - from age 11
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Linzi Brown
Sorry for the long post but I have just listened to the "Through the wall: the case against Luke Mitchell" podcast with Nioami Channel.
Firstly, I'd like to point out that just because someone is breathing air and their heart is beating doesn't mean they are living! With that being said, when they eventually do put the correct person behind bars, and they will. That person needs to be charged with 2 counts of murder. Jodi's horrific murder was terrible but the person that did this also murdered a 14 year old boy the minute Luke found the body. Not only because he was convicted of the murder which is horrendous but because as a 14 year old boy he had to witness that scene and seeing someone he loved and cared for gone forevermore.
Secondly, as Luke says in the interview on the podcast, his whole life is gone, experiences he should have had were robbed from him. He'll never get the chance to do all the things we did as young adults and twenty somethings. He's had to watch people move on with their lives while he's living inside a prison both physically and mentally.
The police say they convicted him on behalf of the people, WE ARE THE PEOPLE and they sure as s*** didn't convict him on behalf of me!!
Do better police Scotland!
Police Scotland don't want him to get an appeal because they like to make other people own their s**** but don't want to do that themselves!!!
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Now Lean in the book has it, that Jodi could not have been known to be missing by 10.45pm,
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Ana Azaria
Mark Evans if only the jury had been given the correct facts, instead of smoke and mirrors, they may very well have made a different decision!
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Convicted Killer Luke Muir Mitchell Ref: 22 Page Witness Statement - Freedom Of Information Request (Part 167)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Ana Azaria
Mark Evans if only the jury had been given the correct facts, instead of smoke and mirrors, they may very well have made a different decision!
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Mark Evans
Ana Azaria I thought his lawyer was 1 if the best in the country. Obviously not. Yea don’t blame the jury. But the folk in power that put him there. They must surely know now he is not guilty but nothing changes. No 1 has came forward and said me made huge mistakes and try and put this wrong right. How they sleep gets me.
Carol Bain
Absolutely horrendous Police Scotland have done so much harm and wrong through the years. They won’t ale responsibility for the harm they’ve done.😡
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Has anyone found out the name of the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s German shepherd dog before Mia?
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Has anyone found out the name of the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s German shepherd dog before Mia?
Mia the German shepherd ‘did the nasty’ on Corinne Mitchell
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Has anyone found out the name of the Mitchell’s/Guetta’s German shepherd dog before Mia?
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell provide James English a photograph of the German shepherd dog they had before Mia with her killer son Luke?
Why a photograph of a pony and her killer son?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell tell James English her killer son had been ‘seeing’ Jodi Jones for ‘about five months’?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell described himself as the “local weirdo”
'Jodi met him in March. It was a Friday and she was going out with him after school. I think they used to speak in form class and one day agreed to go out.
'After that they were together a lot. 'He wasn't as isolated as he used to be when he was going out with Jodi but he did hang back when she was chatting to us.'
‘But only weeks into the relationship, Jodi became worried about Mitchell's close friendship with Laura Wightman, a girl he would later take to her graveside.
‘She added: 'We all knew him from first year but he was isolated and wasn't well-liked but then he changed and started looking a bit grungy.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558
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Excerpt by Sandra Lean from her 1st discredited book No Smoke;
“Similarly, proof that Luke had other girlfriends was not only used to blacken his character, it would later be used by the detective in charge of the case to provide a motive for Luke murdering Jodi, even though all of the evidence actually proved that this officer‟s explanation simply could not be the case. Unfortunately, this motive theory was not presented to the jury – it was offered to the press after the trial.
‘Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, told the jury she and Mr Mitchell kept in contact after the summer of 2002 and met up in October, on Boxing Day and on Valentine's Day the following year.
She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
"Right up until that time then, who did you think was his [Mr Mitchell's] girlfriend?" Mr Turnbull asked.
"Me", replied the teenager.
Miss Thomson told the court that Mr Mitchell had never mentioned Miss Jones to her.
‘A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late.
’Kimberley Thomson told the jury she had been the girlfriend of Luke Mitchell, the youth accused of murdering Jodi.
‘Earlier during Thursday's proceedings, supermarket worker Robert Gilhooly, 17, who was described as a friend of Mr Mitchell's, said he had seen a photo of Miss Thomson and thought it was Jodi.
He told the jury that Mr Mitchell, 16, had also remarked on the likeness.
I knew he had obviously been cheating on me
Mr Gilhooly said: "He mentioned that they looked alike. He said they were almost identical."
Miss Thomson said that when she read about Jodi's death and the fact that Jodi had been Mr Mitchell's girlfriend, she was annoyed.
She said: "I was upset. I knew he had obviously been cheating on me."
Mr Mitchell visited Kenmore in the autumn of 2002 and Miss Thomson stayed at the Mitchell home in Dalkeith from Boxing Day until just after New Year.
‘The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
The teenager believed the visit was due to have been the weekend before Jodi was murdered but, when questioned about whether it could have been later, she said she could not remember.
‘She said Luke had previously gone out with Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire.
The girl, then 14, had slept in the same room at Luke at their home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian.
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And if it was Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion at this time for her killer son Luke Mitchell to go out and look for Jodi Jones, as he told the police in Dalkeith police station - she already had an idea he was behind her disappearance,
Corinne Mitchell knew of the assaults on those other girls - from age 11
If Corinne Mitchell was assaulted by a boy when she was aged 11 - this was not and is not ‘normal’ behaviour!
'I have been 14... you don't always meet up with your boyfriend.' ~ Corinne Mitchell
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If Corinne Mitchell was assaulted by a boy when she was aged 11 - this was not and is not ‘normal’ behaviour!
'I have been 14... you don't always meet up with your boyfriend.' ~ Corinne Mitchell
Jodi Jones was NOT Corinne Mitchell
These words were/are Corinne’s projections
Corinne Mitchell may not have met up with her boyfriend when she was 14 -
The trial was NOT about Corinne Mitchell and her behaviours
It was about Jodi Jones
Jodi Jones was reliable
Jodi Jones had never stood killer Luke Mitchell up
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'I worried she may have left her inhaler, which she was in the habit of doing, and maybe she had a breathing attack’~ Corinne Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell knew her killer son did not cook a meal on Monday 30th June 2003
Corinne Mitchell knew something was ‘wrong’ with her killer son Luke Mitchell that evening
”You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”
There is no way, after sitting next to her killer son Luke Mitchell, and hearing him give his 22 page written police witness statement that Corinne Mitchell thought Jodi Jones ‘may have left her inhaler’
The contents of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement would have been ringing alarm bells
All of which Corinne Mitchell chose to ignore and instead she became her killer sons accomplice
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There is no way, after sitting next to her killer son Luke Mitchell, and hearing him give his 22 page written police witness statement that Corinne Mitchell thought Jodi Jones ‘may have left her inhaler’
“Luke said to Judith that he would make his way up the RDP to look for Jodi and that if he didn't find her on the way up the path, he would make his way to Judith's house (SL even says this in her book, IB, on pages 36 &37). Between Judith's 2 calls to Luke at 2238 and 2249, she phoned some of Jodi's friends to see if she was there (Jodi had many friends, but Judith would've known the friends she most likely would've been with) and when told Jodi wasn't there she called Luke back, crying (at 2249), as she instinctively knew something was wrong.
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Corinne Mitchell did not see her killer son Luke Mitchell when she returned home from work because he was behind the wall on Roans Dyke path committing his murder
“”She said her son had returned home at about 2100 GMT and told her Jodi had not turned up.
Mrs Mitchell said that had been a surprise to her, adding that Luke had been "miffed" at Jodi's non-appearance.
Asked whether her son had seemed anxious, she replied: "Not at that point, no."
And killer Luke Mitchell told the police he arrived home from the Abbey at 9:35pm NOT 9.00pm
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell told the police on the 1st July 2003 he got home at 9:35pm
Sandra Lean claimed the time was 9:30pm
Sandra Lean
Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.)
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html?PHPSESSID=l6jrpivkt7vfbc4lsfbs5q47d2#msg386888
Why then did Corinne Mitchell also choose to lie and say the time was 9:00pm?
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Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell described the ‘search trio’ as being ‘panicky’
Why wasn’t the killer ‘panicky’
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell told the police on the 1st July 2003 he got home at 9:35pm
Sandra Lean claimed the time was 9:30pm
Sandra Lean
Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.)
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html?PHPSESSID=l6jrpivkt7vfbc4lsfbs5q47d2#msg386888
Why then did Corinne Mitchell also choose to lie and say the time was 9:00pm?
‘Mrs Mitchell said that would have been 'physically impossible'.
She said Luke returned home about 9pm saying Jodi hadn't turned up.
She continued: 'I said she could be ata friend's house,could have gone somewhere else or had been grounded.
Corinne Mitchell was and is a bare faced liar - who became her killer son Luke Mitchell’s accomplice by the time he gave his written 22 page statement on the 1st July 2003
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Heather Brunt
I often look at my shepherd and think of Mia and how much Luke, a 14 year old boy took his dog a torch to help and he's paid the toughest price, just for helping.
It's a strange feeling being so invested when I don't know him but I know right from wrong 👍
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Heather Brunt
Just Finished Scott Forbes Book This 14 Year Old Child Has Been Abused, The Worst Kind Of Child Abuse
Jodi Jones’ memory has most definitely been abused - by her sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, and his enablers - mother Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
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Sandra Lean
If we insert neighbour's sighting into that, the prosecution case is that Luke, having escaped unnoticed, cleaned up and been identified sitting, perfectly normal, on a wall at the end of his street by 5.45pm, messed around in the woods with his mates, returned home, went out again to be seen returning half an hour later (having disposed of the weapon - the clothing part was dropped when they decided Corinne had burned it in the garden), went out again 20 - 30 minutes later to take the dog for a walk.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html#msg386928
When does Sandra Lean say the police/prosecution made the claim it was Corinne Mitchell who burnt killer Luke Mitchell’s clothes in the garden?
Killer Luke Mitchell told the police on the 1st July 2003 his mother and brother - Corinne and Shane Mitchell - had a fire in the garden on the night of the 30th June 2003
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Linzi Brown
Sorry for the long post but I have just listened to the "Through the wall: the case against Luke Mitchell" podcast with Nioami Channel.
Firstly, I'd like to point out that just because someone is breathing air and their heart is beating doesn't mean they are living! With that being said, when they eventually do put the correct person behind bars, and they will. That person needs to be charged with 2 counts of murder. Jodi's horrific murder was terrible but the person that did this also murdered a 14 year old boy the minute Luke found the body. Not only because he was convicted of the murder which is horrendous but because as a 14 year old boy he had to witness that scene and seeing someone he loved and cared for gone forevermore.
Secondly, as Luke says in the interview on the podcast, his whole life is gone, experiences he should have had were robbed from him. He'll never get the chance to do all the things we did as young adults and twenty somethings. He's had to watch people move on with their lives while he's living inside a prison both physically and mentally.
The police say they convicted him on behalf of the people, WE ARE THE PEOPLE and they sure as s*** didn't convict him on behalf of me!!
Do better police Scotland!
Police Scotland don't want him to get an appeal because they like to make other people own their s**** but don't want to do that themselves!!!
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Tony Conlin
Don't for one minute think that the people who investigated this case and were proven to have got it wrong would admit to this, no they would be adamant that they were not looking for z yone else in connection with [Name removed]'s murder because thatcwould mean admitting theyed got it wrong, and it wouldn't be first time it has happened either
Carol Bain
Absolutely horrendous Police Scotland have done so much harm and wrong through the years. They won’t ale responsibility for the harm they’ve done.😡
Sandra Lean did admit she ‘got it wrong’ in early 2014
Sandra Lean admitted she believed killer Luke Mitchell murdered Jodi Jones
Then she published a second book in 2018 - before revising or withdrawing her first discredited book
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Tony Conlin
Don't for one minute think that the people who investigated this case and were proven to have got it wrong would admit to this, no they would be adamant that they were not looking for z yone else in connection with [Name removed]'s murder because thatcwould mean admitting theyed got it wrong, and it wouldn't be first time it has happened either
Carol Bain
Absolutely horrendous Police Scotland have done so much harm and wrong through the years. They won’t ale responsibility for the harm they’ve done.😡
Sandra Lean did admit she ‘got it wrong’ in early 2014
Sandra Lean admitted she believed killer Luke Mitchell murdered Jodi Jones
Then she published a second book in 2018 - before revising or withdrawing her first discredited book
Why did Sandra Lean choose to publish a second book on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell before revising or withdrawing her first discredited book - which was (and is) full of lies, misinformation and disinformation and included false and misleading and manipulative narratives
And why did Sandra Lean choose to not include a copy of the psycho killers 22 page written witness statement?
Convicted Killer Luke Muir Mitchell Ref: 22 Page Witness Statement - Freedom Of Information Request (Part 167)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Corinne Mitchell 5th May 2010
The Police claimed I had burnt the Parka jacket in my log burner. then replaced it with another. The Parka Luke was photographed in, in the Press was bought after the murder.....and the police have that as well.
When exactly did the police claim Corinne Mitchell burnt the parka jacket in her log burner?
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Why did Sandra Lean choose to publish a second book on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell before revising or withdrawing her first discredited book - which was (and is) full of lies, misinformation and disinformation and included false and misleading and manipulative narratives
And why did Sandra Lean choose to not include a copy of the psycho killers 22 page written witness statement?
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘The evidence presented in court was purely circumstantial, and based on speculation and innuendo. The prosecution claimed that Luke had known where the body lay, and had carried out an extremely cold and calculating plan. He had escaped without detection, and his mother had burned his clothes in the back garden.
When, during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial, did the prosecution claim Corinne Mitchell had burned her killer sons clothes Sandra?
‘Replying to a question from the prosecutor, Mrs Mitchell denied she could 'see no wrong in anything Luke did'.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Isn't it nearer the truth to say you would be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'That's not true.'
She said her son left home at 5.40pm - about 30 minutes after the time it's believed Jodi was murdered - and that he phoned at 6.40pm.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
‘The next piece of information which gave detectives cause for suspicion concerned the wood burning stove in the Mitchell’s back garden.
Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way. "We also had reports from neighbours saying they had smelled burning coming from the Mitchell’s back garden that night," said Mr Dobbie.
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1st July 2003 - Sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell makes a 22 page written statement while his mother Corinne Mitchell sat next to him in Dalkeith police station
3rd July 2003 - Suspicion falls on sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell
"It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.
"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.
"However, we still had to be aware that Luke was providing a statement voluntarily and that he may have been deeply traumatised at the time." ~ Craig Dobbie
4th July 2003 - Sadistic psycho Luke Mitchell questioned under caution
”We made it clear he was under caution - it was only fair to him to do so. This was when he further entrenched his position.
"This was a few days on after the killing so what he was saying at this stage was probably more accurate.
"There were critical differences in what he was saying about when the body was found. The family were consistent in their evidence.
"They all said Luke never walked past the V in the wall before climbing over and discovering the body. But Luke’s version was completely different.
"He said he walked past the wall a considerable distance and the dog reacted at the point relating to where Jodi’s body was.
"We couldn’t get away from this conflict in versions. We tried to eliminate Luke from our inquiries but we just couldn’t."~ Craig Dobbie
8th July 2003 - Corinne Mitchell buys her psycho killer son a replacement parka jacket
Then there was the parka jacket," he added. "We spoke to friends, school teachers and others who knew Mitchell and established he had a parka jacket. The eye witnesses had also made references to a long parka style jacket. His mother said he had never owned one.
"When we searched the house, the parka was missing.
"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."
However, Mr Dobbie did not want to detain Mitchell until the DNA test results had come back from the lab.
"When the results came back there was not one DNA profile which could not be accounted for. Every profile belonged to people who knew Jodi, including Luke. However, what we didn’t have was DNA from someone unknown, which ruled out anyone unknown as the killer."
14th August 2003 - Psycho killer Luke Mitchell faced further questioning by police
Mr Dobbie said: "In August we detained Luke for further questioning. We searched his house again and his father’s house but still there was no evidence of the jacket that we believed to have existed before the murder, or of any knife.
"At this stage, unless Luke gave us a confession or took us to the knife, we did not want to arrest him. We did not want to go down that road unless we were 100 per cent confident the circumstantial evidence we had was correct.
15th August 2003 - Psycho killer Luke Mitchell orchestrates being photographed in his replacement parka in the hope this will confuse potential witnesses
22nd August 2003 - Dangerous psycho killer Luke Mitchell returned to school
"It wasn’t until October that we believed that we had grounds to report Luke to the procurator fiscal for a circumstantial case” ~ Craig Dobbie
14th April 2004 - Dangerous psycho killer Luke Mitchell arrested
”It was on this day that Mitchell’s house was searched again and Shane Mitchell admitted he had been looking at porn on the internet on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he would not have done this if there was other people in the house - which did not support Luke’s alibi that he was at home with Shane at the time Jodi was killed.
Mr Dobbie said: "When we searched the house we also found a knife pouch with the inscription ‘[Name removed] 1989-2003’ and the numbers 666 written on it and one of Jodi’s favourite quotes. It was like some kind of memorial to Jodi.
"We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect.
"We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously."
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So you think she knew about his last relationship and the fact he was going on holiday there and his “ex” would be there might have caused an argument. I can totally see that happening, I’m sure if she knew she would definitely be worried about him meeting up with his ex. Does anyone know if she wrote about it in her diary or mentioned it to friends. I kept a diary at that age, that is definitely something she would put in there, unless she was worried Luke might read it. I use to use code with things I was worried my mum might read, was there anything like that in the diary?
Excellent - There you go then. If Jodi had been made aware at school that day of any contact with KT, tying in with him going to Kenmore, then just like you were at that age, you would have been having it out with him? Every chance she did, the girl had no phone, perhaps she borrowed his for something at school and saw those calls from the early hours of Sunday morning. All those possibilities around the unknown that paved no way to be scrawling in a diary or running to friends - Talking of friends.
The claim that LM would have numbers of friends that Jodi's mother would not have - Let us look at this. They had been going out for around 3months, the actual friend they hung out with together was LW, she was away on a school trip. The boys in the Abbey, certainly not them. A ruse? Something said to make it sound like he had reason to make claim of going to Jodi's house, there were no phone numbers, was there? You should be asking for the excerpts from his interviews around who those claimed friends were, for you can bet that LM was asked this?
We know he was not heading to her house, we know he should have been at it, not just over half way up that path. We know he lied to SL repeatedly in 2003 and we know she is fully aware of this. She has been asked who the imaginary friends were from his list of contacts. Even scraping at one would have had him hand it over by phone or indeed call it himself, as said, a ruse?
Those leading answers one will get, such as highlighted on repeat by Nicholas - That the boys from the Abbey backed LM's time of arriving home? No they did not, the boys left LM and headed off in the opposite direction, no one backed LM arriving home just after 9pm, certainly was not a 40min walk to get there. Seen arriving home at 10pm, making that journey in excess of an hour, that is what you call the backing of any times of his arrival.
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We know he lied to SL repeatedly in 2003 and we know she is fully aware of this.
100 %
Sandra Lean stated in early 2014 she had been duped by the Mitchell’s
Also around this time she claimed to be doing some renovations to her fire and needed parts for the chimney
The parts were paid for by someone else and sent directly to Sandra
Sandra also claimed around this time she had allegedly almost died of carbon monoxide poisoning
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OK, firstly, Jodi Jones would have been fully aware of LM's planned holiday, he was not just going to say to her on the day he was going away. Did she know about KT from there, then every probability - LW first of all, friend of LM's for years would know his other girlfriends. Every chance LM would have told Jodi of relationships had. Therefore yes, a very high probability she knew of the girl and definitely knew that LM was going on holiday there.
Jodi had been on punishments for weeks, a tough time no doubt - Fully lifted that day, of course the girl was going to be upbeat about this being lifted. If she knew of the girl, the holiday, something troubling her, then having the opportunity to have this out with LM sooner than later, is also reason for lifting her mood. We are told the girl was of strong character, someone who would without doubt have pulled LM around this. As stated before, adoration to confrontation - A red rag to some natures?
The first part of you post I think Jodi would certainly have been aware of Kimberley and probably for quite some time yet nothing in her diary to suggest that she had a problem with it. At the time of her relationship with Luke what was his relationship with Kimberley…a few phone calls? The relationship was not sexual as Luke’s friend testified to in court.
The second part of your post is simply nonsense and shows your total lack of understanding of young girls. Jodi had every opportunity to confront Luke about his ‘other relationship’ at school, on Saturday night when she was at his house etc etc. Her strength of character suggests that if she had a problem there would be immediacy in her actions. None of her friends claimed Jodi had any doubts about Luke with other girls, likewise her mother.
I understand that this HAD to be the motive because there really was nothing else. This is the young boy Jodi described as ‘ stroking her cheek when she was crying’. This really does appear to be a straw clutching exercise yet again by yourself.
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Sandra Lean (today)
WAKE UP. You’re being lied to. They’re taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog.
“With every new victim, his predatory skills were sharpened, and he became craftier at luring his targets to the metaphorical stove with the giant pot of water”
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Heather Brunt
Just Finished Scott Forbes Book This 14 Year Old Child Has Been Abused, The Worst Kind Of Child Abuse
Jodi Jones’ memory has most definitely been abused - by her sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, and his enablers - mother Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
Caroline Ramsay
Well said Heather, that poor young man was used and abused that fateful night. x
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Gary Peden
Wasn't there a parker in evidence that was obtained from another address? Maybe I'm misremebering, but even that had no DNA total stich up, if you believe Dorothy Bain sat beside Alan Turnbull sat across the dinner table and never spoke of this case then you probably believe we're in a computer game
Ana Azaria
Gary Peden There was yes - but we don't actually know if they tested it. It was taken from another address, but the Police had said they'd only searched Luke's house - another lie!
Who said the police only searched murderer Luke Mitchell’s house?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
‘The evidence presented in court was purely circumstantial, and based on speculation and innuendo. The prosecution claimed that Luke had known where the body lay, and had carried out an extremely cold and calculating plan. He had escaped without detection, and his mother had burned his clothes in the back garden.
When, during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial, did the prosecution claim Corinne Mitchell had burned her killer sons clothes Sandra?
‘Replying to a question from the prosecutor, Mrs Mitchell denied she could 'see no wrong in anything Luke did'.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Isn't it nearer the truth to say you would be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'That's not true.'
She said her son left home at 5.40pm - about 30 minutes after the time it's believed Jodi was murdered - and that he phoned at 6.40pm.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Is it just a coincidence that between 6.30pm and 7pm neighbours noticed the smell of burning coming from your back garden?'
‘The next piece of information which gave detectives cause for suspicion concerned the wood burning stove in the Mitchell’s back garden.
Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way. "We also had reports from neighbours saying they had smelled burning coming from the Mitchell’s back garden that night," said Mr Dobbie.
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“A great deal was made of the "fact" that a parka jacket that Luke had been wearing that night had disappeared, "burned," the prosecution claimed, in a log burner in the back garden by Luke‟s mother Corrine
When, during the trial, did the prosecution claim Corinne Mitchell burned the parka in the back garden Sandra?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“A great deal was made of the "fact" that a parka jacket that Luke had been wearing that night had disappeared, "burned," the prosecution claimed, in a log burner in the back garden by Luke‟s mother Corrine
When, during the trial, did the prosecution claim Corinne Mitchell burned the parka in the back garden Sandra?
And when during the trial was it suggested the previous parka jacket had been replaced by an identical one Sandra?
Further excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“If Luke Mitchell had committed such a brutal murder, wearing such a recognisable garment, is it feasible to believe that his mother would provide him with an identical (and therefore readily identifiable) one?
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Danielle Bbarclay
Geraldine Dunn it gets to me....Luke only went up that path as he told JuJ he would head to her home to help contact others and help, the path is the way both Jodi and Luke would use between Newbattle and Easthouses. How on earth AW,SK and JaJ had reached that part of the path (the Easthouse end of path which has lady path and paths leading into the woods) by the time Luke had got there. The timings from calls from JuJ and Luke and others statements makes that really questionable...why where they there already?
They weren’t!
Psycho murderer Luke Mitchell was ‘there already’
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Gary Peden
Wasn't there a parker in evidence that was obtained from another address? Maybe I'm misremebering, but even that had no DNA total stich up, if you believe Dorothy Bain sat beside Alan Turnbull sat across the dinner table and never spoke of this case then you probably believe we're in a computer game
Ana Azaria
Gary Peden There was yes - but we don't actually know if they tested it. It was taken from another address, but the Police had said they'd only searched Luke's house - another lie!
Who said the police only searched murderer Luke Mitchell’s house?
DCI Dobbie, on oath….and then he corrected himself and said that they’d searched Luke’s dad’s home as well.
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Excellent - There you go then. If Jodi had been made aware at school that day of any contact with KT, tying in with him going to Kenmore, then just like you were at that age, you would have been having it out with him? Every chance she did, the girl had no phone, perhaps she borrowed his for something at school and saw those calls from the early hours of Sunday morning. All those possibilities around the unknown that paved no way to be scrawling in a diary or running to friends - Talking of friends.
The claim that LM would have numbers of friends that Jodi's mother would not have - Let us look at this. They had been going out for around 3months, the actual friend they hung out with together was LW, she was away on a school trip. The boys in the Abbey, certainly not them. A ruse? Something said to make it sound like he had reason to make claim of going to Jodi's house, there were no phone numbers, was there? You should be asking for the excerpts from his interviews around who those claimed friends were, for you can bet that LM was asked this?
We know he was not heading to her house, we know he should have been at it, not just over half way up that path. We know he lied to SL repeatedly in 2003 and we know she is fully aware of this. She has been asked who the imaginary friends were from his list of contacts. Even scraping at one would have had him hand it over by phone or indeed call it himself, as said, a ruse?
Those leading answers one will get, such as highlighted on repeat by Nicholas - That the boys from the Abbey backed LM's time of arriving home? No they did not, the boys left LM and headed off in the opposite direction, no one backed LM arriving home just after 9pm, certainly was not a 40min walk to get there. Seen arriving home at 10pm, making that journey in excess of an hour, that is what you call the backing of any times of his arrival.
In your previous posts you’re simply showing how little you know of teenage girls. Jodi may have borrowed his phone at school? Where? It must have been in the China Gardens because we were told by friends in court that that’s where they spent lunchtime that day. She may have had it out with him? Well that can’t be true, can it, or their friends would have heard. Perhaps she said nothing…..a teenage girl, the same girl who said that she would die if Luke finished with her, said nothing? You don’t actually believe that, do you? She didn’t tell her friend who she sat beside in class that Luke was two-timing her….or the friend she travelled home with on the bus? Her mum when she got home? No tears? Really?
“ She ( [Name removed]) tells the court: 'I said, 'That's you hen, you can go out when you want to. You don't have to wait till six o'clock.
'She was chuffed and got my mobile phone to text Luke. She sat next to me on the couch in the living room playing games on the phone until she got an answer back.”
Does that sound like Jodi had just found out the love of her life was cheating on her?
LNS describes Jodi as ‘leaving the house joyfully’. Does that sound like a girl who has just had her heart broken?
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Gary Peden
Wasn't there a parker in evidence that was obtained from another address? Maybe I'm misremebering, but even that had no DNA total stich up, if you believe Dorothy Bain sat beside Alan Turnbull sat across the dinner table and never spoke of this case then you probably believe we're in a computer game
Ana Azaria
Gary Peden There was yes - but we don't actually know if they tested it. It was taken from another address, but the Police had said they'd only searched Luke's house - another lie!
Who said the police only searched murderer Luke Mitchell’s house?
Nonsense, all the continued "cloak and dagger" stuff. Let us try and pluck that slithering of truth here. KC is the person claimed, KC was a Crown witness, KC having precognition carried out, anything to do with KC, any coat signed off therefore fully known about. Woodburn is applied, where do we know that LM definitely frequented pre and after the murder, that will be Woodburn and LW's house. We know she also wore a similar type coat. - Why the coat, what possible reason could the police have for wanting it? requesting it? To eliminate it in several ways, to check to make sure it bore none of LM's DNA, one would not be getting the opportunity to say 'If he had been seen in such a coat pre-murder it may have been a friends? And of course tested to make sure nothing to do with that day also. Someone connected! Crossing those T's and dotting those i's.
As soon as SF's started mouthing out about this, he instantly put his head into that hole. 'CD lied, he said that only LM's house had been searched!' No he didn't, SF's was lying. The questioning around 'only having eyes for LM' Not investigating others in the case --------Only searching properties to do with HIM, connected in some way. The family business no doubt searched also.
Now let us look at search here, ones that are requested and ones that have warrants applied - And of course, not snifter of any illegal actions throughout. The item of clothing no doubt returned to its owner in 2021- There is again no "hidden" no "buried" no "undisclosed" There is always precognitions of Crown witnesses -------- That yarn just keeps on spinning.
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Nonsense, all the continued "cloak and dagger" stuff. Let us try and pluck that slithering of truth here. KC is the person claimed, KC was a Crown witness, KC having precognition carried out, anything to do with KC, any coat signed off therefore fully known about. Woodburn is applied, where do we know that LM definitely frequented pre and after the murder, that will be Woodburn and LW's house. We know she also wore a similar type coat. - Why the coat, what possible reason could the police have for wanting it? requesting it? To eliminate it in several ways, to check to make sure it bore none of LM's DNA, one would not be getting the opportunity to say 'If he had been seen in such a coat pre-murder it may have been a friends? And of course tested to make sure nothing to do with that day also. Someone connected! Crossing those T's and dotting those i's.
As soon as SF's started mouthing out about this, he instantly put his head into that hole. 'CD lied, he said that only LM's house had been searched!' No he didn't, SF's was lying. The questioning around 'only having eyes for LM' Not investigating others in the case --------Only searching properties to do with HIM, connected in some way. The family business no doubt searched also.
Now let us look at search here, ones that are requested and ones that have warrants applied - And of course, not snifter of any illegal actions throughout. The item of clothing no doubt returned to its owner in 2021- There is again no "hidden" no "buried" no "undisclosed" There is always precognitions of Crown witnesses -------- That yarn just keeps on spinning.
All of the above with never a day in court, never a glance at an official document and never sight of a witness statement. Scott Forbes and Dr Lean with those 32 boxes of evidence. Who to believe…mmmm?
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Nonsense, all the continued "cloak and dagger" stuff. Let us try and pluck that slithering of truth here. KC is the person claimed, KC was a Crown witness, KC having precognition carried out, anything to do with KC, any coat signed off therefore fully known about. Woodburn is applied, where do we know that LM definitely frequented pre and after the murder, that will be Woodburn and LW's house. We know she also wore a similar type coat. - Why the coat, what possible reason could the police have for wanting it? requesting it? To eliminate it in several ways, to check to make sure it bore none of LM's DNA, one would not be getting the opportunity to say 'If he had been seen in such a coat pre-murder it may have been a friends? And of course tested to make sure nothing to do with that day also. Someone connected! Crossing those T's and dotting those i's.
As soon as SF's started mouthing out about this, he instantly put his head into that hole. 'CD lied, he said that only LM's house had been searched!' No he didn't, SF's was lying. The questioning around 'only having eyes for LM' Not investigating others in the case --------Only searching properties to do with HIM, connected in some way. The family business no doubt searched also.
Now let us look at search here, ones that are requested and ones that have warrants applied - And of course, not snifter of any illegal actions throughout. The item of clothing no doubt returned to its owner in 2021- There is again no "hidden" no "buried" no "undisclosed" There is always precognitions of Crown witnesses -------- That yarn just keeps on spinning.
Sandra Lean
…all the “children” at the time of Jodi’s murder were over 16 at the time of the trial, except for 2, whose evidence was not used at trial
Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/19/killer-luke-mitchell-cofidence-trickster-sandra-lean-on-how-to-say-there-were-reporting-restrictions-without-saying-there-were-reporting-restrictions-part-163/
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Sandra Lean
…all the “children” at the time of Jodi’s murder were over 16 at the time of the trial, except for 2, whose evidence was not used at trial
Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/19/killer-luke-mitchell-cofidence-trickster-sandra-lean-on-how-to-say-there-were-reporting-restrictions-without-saying-there-were-reporting-restrictions-part-163/
As Keith Campbell was 14 at the time of the trial and you have referenced a report of his testimony it suggests that there was no reporting restrictions in place…as Dr Lean said.
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All of the above with never a day in court, never a glance at an official document and never sight of a witness statement. Scott Forbes and Dr Lean with those 32 boxes of evidence. Who to believe…mmmm?
I would believe the jury who heard every part of evidence for 42 days and made their decision based on that. Not 2 people cherry picking parts of the defence papers and not being able to put forward a credible argument in 15 years. Quoting Forbes, an on-off trainee lawyer prone to late night "fuelled" victim shaming rants on social media, as any type of authority on this case is baffling.
The jury got it right first time, the appeal courts on subsequent occasions.
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I would believe the jury who heard every part of evidence for 42 days and made their decision based on that. Not 2 people cherry picking parts of the defence papers and not being able to put forward a credible argument in 15 years. Quoting Forbes, an on-off trainee lawyer prone to late night "fuelled" victim shaming rants on social media, as any type of authority on this case is baffling.
The jury got it right first time, the appeal courts on subsequent occasions.
Not all of the jury were convinced….lest we forget. As you said, every part of the evidence for 42 days and the Crown failed to convince a number of the jury.
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In your previous posts you’re simply showing how little you know of teenage girls. Jodi may have borrowed his phone at school? Where? It must have been in the China Gardens because we were told by friends in court that that’s where they spent lunchtime that day. She may have had it out with him? Well that can’t be true, can it, or their friends would have heard. Perhaps she said nothing…..a teenage girl, the same girl who said that she would die if Luke finished with her, said nothing? You don’t actually believe that, do you? She didn’t tell her friend who she sat beside in class that Luke was two-timing her….or the friend she travelled home with on the bus? Her mum when she got home? No tears? Really?
“ She ( [Name removed]) tells the court: 'I said, 'That's you hen, you can go out when you want to. You don't have to wait till six o'clock.
'She was chuffed and got my mobile phone to text Luke. She sat next to me on the couch in the living room playing games on the phone until she got an answer back.”
Does that sound like Jodi had just found out the love of her life was cheating on her?
LNS describes Jodi as ‘leaving the house joyfully’. Does that sound like a girl who has just had her heart broken?
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
The teenager believed the visit was due to have been the weekend before Jodi was murdered but, when questioned about whether it could have been later, she said she could not remember.
Do we know why the visit was cancelled? If it was after the murder I think she would definitely remember. Why did Luke not go, did he cancel or KT?
I also don’t believe Jodi was looking to confront Luke when she left the house. If they did indeed meet up then who knows what was said between them, but when she left there is nothing to show she was upset or anything bothering her.
Also does anyone know if KT remembers Luke in a parka? Or was she asked about this in court? If she was staying with him from Boxing Day til new year I would think that be when he might wear his parka over winter?
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Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
The teenager believed the visit was due to have been the weekend before Jodi was murdered but, when questioned about whether it could have been later, she said she could not remember.
Do we know why the visit was cancelled? If it was after the murder I think she would definitely remember. Why did Luke not go, did he cancel or KT?
I also don’t believe Jodi was looking to confront Luke when she left the house. If they did indeed meet up then who knows what was said between them, but when she left there is nothing to show she was upset or anything bothering her.
Also does anyone know if KT remembers Luke in a parka? Or was she asked about this in court? If she was staying with him from Boxing Day til new year I would think that be when he might wear his parka over winter?
Corrine Mitchell cancelled the trip I believe.
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Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
The teenager believed the visit was due to have been the weekend before Jodi was murdered but, when questioned about whether it could have been later, she said she could not remember.
Do we know why the visit was cancelled? If it was after the murder I think she would definitely remember. Why did Luke not go, did he cancel or KT?
I also don’t believe Jodi was looking to confront Luke when she left the house. If they did indeed meet up then who knows what was said between them, but when she left there is nothing to show she was upset or anything bothering her.
Also does anyone know if KT remembers Luke in a parka? Or was she asked about this in court? If she was staying with him from Boxing Day til new year I would think that be when he might wear his parka over winter?
I spoke to a woman from Whitburn on youtube & messenger a few months back whose younger sister was called as a witness to court. This woman told me that her wee sister had a photo of LM wearing the parka at a concert circa May '03, and that Jodi and some other friends were in this photo too. This girl was adamant that this photo was shown in court as evidence. Also, the woman indicated that KT was a witness at court on the same days as her wee sister, and that KT had a photo of LM wearing a parka from circa February '03, which was also shown in court as evidence (incidentally, there is an old post from KT communicating with another forum member on another website where she clearly states that he definitely did own a parka pre-murder; in this same post, she also said that LM was a good liar and very smart). Interestingly, the Whiburn lass also told me that CCTV footage from St David's High School was also shown in court to prove he owned that parka before the murder. Some posters on here think that these photos & cctv footage weren't produced in court as evidence because it was never mentioned in the press and that vital evidence such as this would've been reported immediately. However, not all journalists were at this trial every day and so it's possible this evidence went unnoticed, or the journalists who were there when this evidence was presented in court didn't place as much importance on it (journalists have their own thoughts & interpretations on what they deem vital information, and, besides, some journos are much better at their jobs than others).
I have no reason to not believe this woman. Besides, none of us on here were at the 42-day trial, were we?
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LM was a good liar and very smart
By smart, did she mean cunning and calculated?
Corinne Mitchell purchased the replacement parka on the 8th July 2003 - she told the trial the reason for the purchase was because ‘they were in fashion’
But when she spoke to James English in 2019 she said she purchased the parka because it was on ‘sale’
Corinne Mitchell also told James English the police had taken all of killer Luke Mitchell’s clothes by July 2003, so she needed to replace them
What jackets/clothes of killer Luke Mitchell’s had been seized by the police by the 4th July 2003?
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What jackets/clothes of killer Luke Mitchell’s had been seized by the police by the 4th July 2003?
[162] “….the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi”
Killer Luke Mitchell: The Untold Truth II (Part 163)
‘He said he "Just had a hunch, a gut instinct that something was behind the wall" At the first break, the Gino break.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/18/killer-luke-mitchell-these-times-events-cannot-be-altered-at-all-part-163/
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What did 15 year old killer Luke Mitchell’s tattoo look like https://bodyartguru.com/flaming-skull-tattoo/
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By smart, did she mean cunning and calculated?
Corinne Mitchell purchased the replacement parka on the 8th July 2003 - she told the trial the reason for the purchase was because ‘they were in fashion’
But when she spoke to James English she said she purchased the parka because it was on ‘sale’
Corinne Mitchell also told James English the police had taken all of killer Luke Mitchell’s clothes by July 2003, so she needed to replace them
What jackets/clothes of killer Luke Mitchell’s had been seized by the police by the 4th July 2003?
Think she meant intelligent, though she did also say, I think, he was manipulative and would believe all his own lies. She also said he used to keep all of his knives in the pockets of the jacket.
The parka jacket, for me, is the most compelling evidence of LM's guilt. Then, of course, being spotted at both ends of that path (with a convenient 45-min gap between the sightings, strangling noises coming from that woodland strip as per LK's testimony; and who else matched/was a doppelganger for LM in such small areas/settlements?). And then factor in the broken alibi and finding that body in record time in the pitch.black of night (and the plethora of other circumstantial evidence in between). Case closed.
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[162] “….the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi”
Does anyone have a copy/or link to production 14
[160] Thereafter the evidence of Detective Constable Lindsay proceeded. She said inter alia that she went to the house at about 11 o'clock on 2 July. On the television in the livingroom there was a news item about the killing of Jodi Jones. She asked the appellant a question as to which way Jodi would have walked. He replied that she would have come out of the house, walked down the side of the janitor's house (i.e. Roan's Dyke House), past the back of the school, and down the Roan's Dyke Path. Detective Constable Lindsay said she knew the path. She asked him where this was. The appellant offered to draw her a sketch of the route, which was production No. 14. He marked Jodi's house with a cross, and then showed arrows from there, past the janitor's house (Roan's Dyke House) on to the junction with the Lady Path and thereafter on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path which he marked with a hatched line and the word "path", to the point which he marked with an X and the words "body found". The wall was shown as a solid line. Detective Constable Lindsay said that the appellant told her he was aware that there was a hole in the wall at the junction and a small path close to the wall. The arrows were shown on the woodland side of the wall. She asked him if he had been down this route. He said that there was not a very good path and he had only been a short way down.
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“….the appellant told the police at interview on 4 July 2003 that he and Jodi would sit on the other side of the wall from the Roan's Dyke Path near to the gap in the wall at the junction of the two paths and "have a cigarette or whatever". In the same interview he said that there was "a tiny wee path ... that folk walk along in the inside of that wall", i.e. on the other side from the Roan's Dyke Path. There was evidence, indeed, that just inside a gap in the wall at the junction of the paths stood a small tree with the initials [Name removed] and LM carved in its bark. A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths. They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis. Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths. On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi”
Knew the locus like the back of his hand, including that V-break, but denied being in there before. He just kept tripping himself up. The court had to adjourned one day (don't know the exact date during the trial) because LM had taken unwell. I wonder if this was as a result of him knowing he'd been well and truly sussed? Probably.
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Why did 14 year old killer Luke Mitchell have two rats in a glass container in his bedroom and where did they come from?
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Knew the locus like the back of his hand, including that V-break, but denied being in there before. He just kept tripping himself up. The court had to adjourned one day (don't know the exact date during the trial) because LM had taken unwell. I wonder if this was as a result of him knowing he'd been well and truly sussed? Probably.
So did Corine and Shane Mitchell
[94] The appellant's actions had also amounted to an attempt to construct a false defence; his explanations to police officers, and to the deceased's mother, as to why the deceased might not have arrived to meet him contradicted his knowledge of her movements on the evening of her death; he told David High that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear; and he had repeatedly lied about the circumstances in which his dog's reaction led him to the deceased.
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What was the evidence of Mahasweta Roy
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How many litres of urine were found in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on the 4th July 2003?
Apparently less than 2 litres a day is considered ‘normal’ - 1.7 litres
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How many litres of urine were found in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on the 4th July 2003?
Apparently less than 2 litres a day is considered ‘normal’ - 1.7 litres
And how often did Corinne Mitchell empty the urine bottles from her killer sons bedroom prior to his murder?
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And how often did Corinne Mitchell empty the urine bottles from her killer sons bedroom prior to his murder?
Corinne Mitchell said her killer son Luke was sleeping downstairs on one of the large sofas in the living room from 1st July 2003
But killer Luke Mitchell said ‘because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else’
Meaning the killer was urinating in bottles before he committed his murder
Plus the evidence also suggested he was sleeping on the floor of his bedroom on/under a duvet
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And how often did Corinne Mitchell empty the urine bottles from her killer sons bedroom prior to his murder?
According to Gerard Seenan for the guardian on 22nd January 2005
“When police searched his home, they found, in his squalid bedroom, 20 bottles of urine they believe may have been prepared for a satanic ritual.
What ‘satanic ritual’ was Gerard Seenan referring to?
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And how often did Corinne Mitchell empty the urine bottles from her killer sons bedroom prior to his murder?
Corinne Mitchell claimed her killer son Luke was given chores to do
If true - wouldn’t one of these chores have been to clean his bedroom and dispose of the urine bottles ?
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How many litres of urine were found in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on the 4th July 2003?
How did killer Luke Mitchell collect 20 bottles or urine by the 4th July 2003 if detective constable Lindsay was at the house?
“During the search of 203 Newbattle Abbey Crescent on 4 July 2003 a number of bottles containing liquid were found in the appellant's bedroom, some on and some under the bed.
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How did killer Luke Mitchell collect 20 bottles or urine by the 4th July 2003 if detective constable Lindsay was at the house?
“During the search of 203 Newbattle Abbey Crescent on 4 July 2003 a number of bottles containing liquid were found in the appellant's bedroom, some on and some under the bed.
And where did all those empty bottles come from in 3 and a bit days in order to be filled in the first place?
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Meaning the killer was urinating in bottles before he committed his murder
And where did all those empty bottles come from in 3 and a bit days in order to be filled in the first place?
The evidence points to killer Luke Mitchell utinating in bottles before he committed his murder
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What was the evidence of Mahasweta Roy
Mahasweta Roy was also involved in serial killer Tobin case
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dna-of-murder-accuseds-son-found-999175
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How did killer Luke Mitchell collect 20 bottles or urine by the 4th July 2003 if detective constable Lindsay was at the house?
“During the search of 203 Newbattle Abbey Crescent on 4 July 2003 a number of bottles containing liquid were found in the appellant's bedroom, some on and some under the bed.
He'd got his own little IRN-BRU factory going right there... except it was 10x stronger and much more flavourful.
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What was the evidence of Mahasweta Roy
Don't know. It's not in the public domain -- although we have context of her appearance as a crown witness from the following:
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Ground of appeal 6. My phone won't let me copy and paste the contents of that ground of appeal.
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What was the evidence of Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ and what reason did she given for buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday?
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How did killer Luke Mitchell collect 20 bottles or urine by the 4th July 2003 if detective constable Lindsay was at the house?
“During the search of 203 Newbattle Abbey Crescent on 4 July 2003 a number of bottles containing liquid were found in the appellant's bedroom, some on and some under the bed.
Did Corinne Mitchell buy her killer son Luke Mitchell empty bottles to urinate in ?
And what type of bottles were they?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell also dispose of any computer equipment following his murder?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell also dispose of any computer equipment following his murder?
Did the police seize all of the computer equipment found in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom?
”But yesterday Police Constable Anita Dow, 35, described the finding of a pouch similar to that belonging to the sample knife shown to the jury by Alan Turnbull QC, advocate depute, prosecuting.
“The court heard yesterday that Mr Mitchell was arrested in an early morning swoop on his home on April 14 this year.
Before he was led away in handcuffs, detectives found cannabis resin and herbal cannabis in his pockets.
After Mr Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith Police Station, other officers began to search his bedroom. Ms Dow said that Mr Mitchell appeared to sleep under a duvet which was on the floor, but not in his bed
"There were so many belongings on the top of it. There were computer keyboards and monitors lying on it, " she said..
Why did killer Luke Mitchell have so many computer keyboards and monitors on his bed?
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What was the name of the dog the Mitchell’s had before Mia?
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Did the police seize all of the computer equipment found in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom?
”But yesterday Police Constable Anita Dow, 35, described the finding of a pouch similar to that belonging to the sample knife shown to the jury by Alan Turnbull QC, advocate depute, prosecuting.
“The court heard yesterday that Mr Mitchell was arrested in an early morning swoop on his home on April 14 this year.
Before he was led away in handcuffs, detectives found cannabis resin and herbal cannabis in his pockets.
After Mr Mitchell was taken to Dalkeith Police Station, other officers began to search his bedroom. Ms Dow said that Mr Mitchell appeared to sleep under a duvet which was on the floor, but not in his bed
"There were so many belongings on the top of it. There were computer keyboards and monitors lying on it, " she said..
Why did killer Luke Mitchell have so many computer keyboards and monitors on his bed?
Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
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Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
What was Ian Tyler’s evidence and why did killer Luke Mitchell (and Corinne Mitchell) choose to use the name Ian Tyler - as opposed say Ian Tanner - in order for the 15 year old killer to get an underage tattoo?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
Did the police find any forged documents/forged photo ID’s during their searches?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
Did other witnesses give evidence that killer Luke Mitchell used aliases or had fake ID showing him to be over 18?
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What was the evidence of Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ and what reason did she given for buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday?
Wouldn’t the Marilyn Manson calendar also have been from killer Luke Mitchell’s father Philip Mitchell?
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What was the evidence of Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ and what reason did she given for buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday?
Who decided to say the Marilyn Manson calendar was from the ‘new wife’ and not Philip Mitchell?
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Wouldn’t the Marilyn Manson calendar also have been from killer Luke Mitchell’s father Philip Mitchell?
Did Philip Mitchell buy the Marilyn Manson calendar for his killer son Luke Mitchell for his birthday and this fact morph into it being from the ‘new wife’?
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What was the evidence of Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ and what reason did she given for buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday?
Why didn’t Donald Findlay call killer Luke Mitchell’s fathers (Philip Mitchell) ‘new wife’ to give evidence about why she had bought her step son a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday ?
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The evidence points to killer Luke Mitchell utinating in bottles before he committed his murder
Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“”Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke‟s bedroom
“The perfectly innocent explanation – that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.
The evidence points to these bottles of urine having been in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom before he committed his murder
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Why didn’t Donald Findlay call killer Luke Mitchell’s fathers (Philip Mitchell) ‘new wife’ to give evidence about why she had bought her step son a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday ?
What evidence would killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother have given to the jury about her step son, Marilyn Manson and the calendar?
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What evidence would killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother have given to the jury about her step son, Marilyn Manson and the calendar?
What were the pictures of in the Marilyn Manson calendar purchased by killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother?
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What were the pictures of in the Marilyn Manson calendar purchased by killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother?
Evidence points to Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar before he committed his murder
“Detectives searched his home on July 4, four days after Jodi's body was found, and took a number of items away for examination. It later emerged that more than 20 bottles of a liquid thought to be urine, a Marilyn Manson CD and DVD and a calendar featuring the goth rocker were among the items seized.
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Stephen Sweeney
Was talking to my wife about stuff and some things i am confused about dose anyone know how long it took Luke to find the body after he went over the wall? And when he found the body did he phone the police while over the body or did he wait till everyone was over and phone them? Now one thought I had is if he did murder her and knew the body was over there would he not try and get them away from that area at all cost maybe by coming over and saying he didn't find anything and keep moving on also if it was a couple of mins he found it this would indicate he knew where the body was if it was 10 or so mins this means he was looking a good while before finding the body also if he phoned the police as soon as he found the body and never waited till everyone got over none of this screams out to me murderer again only my opinion doesn't prove anything just something to think about
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell did NOT phone 999 immediately because he wanted to witness the ‘search trio’s ‘panicky’ reaction
And this psychopath stayed over the other side of the wall - near Jodi Jones body - when he could have been phoning 999
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”In the police statement read out to the court, Mitchell said he and Jodi were "very close" and that the only day they did not see each other was on Sundays, when he would visit his father.
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell James English her killer son Luke Mitchell stayed at his father Philip Mitchell’s house at the weekends, giving the impression he slept there ?
Jodi Jones DNA was found on a pair of trousers hidden in a hold-all
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Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
Why would killer Luke Mitchell or his mother Corinne Mitchell forge a birth certificate and/or photo ID to say killer Luke Mitchell was 58 years of age
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“In another attempt to show the Mitchell family as unreliable, the prosecution called witnesses who had not, previously, been made known to the defence team. Staff from a tattoo parlour were called to show that Corrine Mitchell had "lied" for her son, by providing him with fake id, so that he could have a tattoo. The fake id was not produced in court – only the word of the staff that it had been produced was available. It was, they claimed, a birth certificate, and Corrine Mitchell had claimed her son was the person named on that certificate. With prior warning, the defence would have been able to prove that either (a) Corrine Mitchell produced no such document, or (b) the staff at the tattoo parlour had broken the law by tattooing someone with an obviously fake id - the person they named on the birth certificate which Corrine Mitchell is supposed to have provided is a 58 year old man!
There is no evidence anywhere that when killer Luke Mitchell pretended to be Ian Tyler to get a tattoo in October 2003 he was also pretending to be 58 years old
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
”The tattoo evidence, led to prove the dishonesty of Corrine Mitchell, was not revealed to the defence prior to being led in court. Further, this evidence raised serious questions as to the honesty of the people testifying – they had no corroborating evidence (such as the birth certificate and photographic id they claimed to have been shown), and the name they claimed to have been given was that of a 58 year old man.
Were the Mitchell’s involved in any other frauds prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s murder
”They had led evidence during the trial which ended in January 2005 that had nothing to do with the murder of Jodi - but alleged that Mitchell was involved in another crime - fraud.
Mr Findlay said: "What this had to do with Luke and a charge of murder, in my submission, defies any rational explanation, other than the fact that the Crown just used it to have another go at Luke."
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Why would killer Luke Mitchell or his mother Corinne Mitchell forge a birth certificate and/or photo ID to say killer Luke Mitchell was 58 years of age
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
“In another attempt to show the Mitchell family as unreliable, the prosecution called witnesses who had not, previously, been made known to the defence team. Staff from a tattoo parlour were called to show that Corrine Mitchell had "lied" for her son, by providing him with fake id, so that he could have a tattoo. The fake id was not produced in court – only the word of the staff that it had been produced was available. It was, they claimed, a birth certificate, and Corrine Mitchell had claimed her son was the person named on that certificate. With prior warning, the defence would have been able to prove that either (a) Corrine Mitchell produced no such document, or (b) the staff at the tattoo parlour had broken the law by tattooing someone with an obviously fake id - the person they named on the birth certificate which Corrine Mitchell is supposed to have provided is a 58 year old man!
There is no evidence anywhere that when killer Luke Mitchell pretended to be Ian Tyler to get a tattoo in October 2003 he was also pretending to be 58 years old
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“Raymond McCloy, 33, a tattoo artist who was working in the shop, told jurors he tattooed a male in October 2003 "who was identified to me as the accused in this trial".
He said that the male produced a birth certificate to show that he was a couple of months over the age of 18 and a photographic identity card.
The woman said the tattoo was a belated birthday present and was something of a "celebration" to help put a "difficult time" for the family behind them, it was claimed.
The above (7th October 2003) was a month after killer Luke Mitchell and his mother had orchestrated their disrespectful TV stunt on the day of Jodi Jones funeral
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke
”The tattoo evidence, led to prove the dishonesty of Corrine Mitchell, was not revealed to the defence prior to being led in court. Further, this evidence raised serious questions as to the honesty of the people testifying – they had no corroborating evidence (such as the birth certificate and photographic id they claimed to have been shown), and the name they claimed to have been given was that of a 58 year old man.
Were the Mitchell’s involved in any other frauds prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s murder
”They had led evidence during the trial which ended in January 2005 that had nothing to do with the murder of Jodi - but alleged that Mitchell was involved in another crime - fraud.
Mr Findlay said: "What this had to do with Luke and a charge of murder, in my submission, defies any rational explanation, other than the fact that the Crown just used it to have another go at Luke."
I presume they mean the tattoo business.
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I presume they mean the tattoo business.
No
Whiplash trash was still in business up to 2016
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Evidence points to Philip Mitchell’s ‘new wife’ buying killer Luke Mitchell a Marilyn Manson calendar before he committed his murder
“Detectives searched his home on July 4, four days after Jodi's body was found, and took a number of items away for examination. It later emerged that more than 20 bottles of a liquid thought to be urine, a Marilyn Manson CD and DVD and a calendar featuring the goth rocker were among the items seized.
Why didn’t Donald Findlay call Philip Mitchell and his ‘new wife’ to give evidence ?
And what exactly would they have said about killer Luke Mitchell, Marilyn Manson and when he visited his father/step mother ?
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Stephen Sweeney
Was talking to my wife about stuff and some things i am confused about dose anyone know how long it took Luke to find the body after he went over the wall? And when he found the body did he phone the police while over the body or did he wait till everyone was over and phone them? Now one thought I had is if he did murder her and knew the body was over there would he not try and get them away from that area at all cost maybe by coming over and saying he didn't find anything and keep moving on also if it was a couple of mins he found it this would indicate he knew where the body was if it was 10 or so mins this means he was looking a good while before finding the body also if he phoned the police as soon as he found the body and never waited till everyone got over none of this screams out to me murderer again only my opinion doesn't prove anything just something to think about
Stephen Sweeney appears to be displaying signs of possible cognitive dissonance
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I presume they mean the tattoo business.
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell used an alias (deception) to obtain an underage tattoo - pretending to be an 18 year old Ian Tyler
“Senior fingerprint officer James Aitken, 42, told the court that his examinations showed Luke Mitchell had "come into contact" with a tattoo consent form with the name Ian Tyler on it.
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I presume they mean the tattoo business.
In New York parents can be charged with “child endangerment’ for allowing their underage child to get a tattoo
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I presume they mean the tattoo business.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell (and his accomplice mother Corinne) conned the tattoo parlour by using a fake alias
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell (and his accomplice mother Corinne) conned the tattoo parlour by using a fake alias
And Corinne Mitchell would have taken the money raised fraudulently following the 2021 TV show - which lied by omission about her actual living conditions
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/luke-mitchell-fundraiser-killers-mum-20022663
As would Sandra Lean
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11968.msg644191#msg644191
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Sheryl Oribine
Stephen Sweeney Yes Luke called 999 at 11.35pm after Jodi was found.
No
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell waited before he telephoned 999
He waited over the other side of the wall - near Jodi Jones body - while Steven Kelly and Alice Walker climbed over
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Ana Azaria
Once over the wall, he turned left towards the area that Mia had alerted. He saw something, then realised that it was Jodi. He called out to the others ‘’I think there’s something here’’, he also said that he stopped and stared for a second, before turning and running
Where did psycho killer Luke Mitchell say he turned and ran to
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell (and his accomplice mother Corinne) conned the tattoo parlour by using a fake alias
If psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell was on his own when he visited Whiplash trash it might have been argued that the onus was on the tattooist
But the fact Corinne Mitchell was with her killer son when he got his underage tattoo shows the Mitchell’s conned Whiplash trash
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Did killer Luke Mitchell forge a birth certificate and ID in the name of Ian Tyler before getting a tattoo in October 2003?
[174] …. The appellant was asked for identification to prove that he was over 18 years of age. ……..he produced a birth certificate which showed that he was more than 18 and a photo identification card which matched the name.
That, he did. The cunning was off the charts -- just like him buying that brand new parka on the 8th July, '03 (though I wonder if that was Corinne's idea).
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That, he did. The cunning was off the charts -- just like him buying that brand new parka on the 8th July, '03 (though I wonder if that was Corinne's idea).
“Mr Turnbull asked: 'Isn't it nearer the truth to say you would be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'That's not true.'
It most definitely was true!
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Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement? I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.
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No
Whiplash trash was still in business up to 2016
Sorry but do you think the business ended in 2005 and not the trial?
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“Mr Turnbull asked: 'Isn't it nearer the truth to say you would be prepared to lie to cover up to protect him?'
Mrs Mitchell replied: 'That's not true.'
It most definitely was true!
Gypsy traits. Underhand, devious, cunning, outright lies and anti-authoritarian.
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Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement? I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.
Oh please do.
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If psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell was on his own when he visited Whiplash trash it might have been argued that the onus was on the tattooist
But the fact Corinne Mitchell was with her killer son when he got his underage tattoo shows the Mitchell’s conned Whiplash trash
In September 2003 sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell held a pretend ‘vigil’ for Jodi Jones, orchestrating an interview with the media to disrespect Jodi Jones and the Jones family
By October 2003 they were out celebrating by getting an underage tattoo after a difficult time
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Gypsy traits. Underhand, devious, cunning, outright lies and anti-authoritarian.
Scratch the surface and there it is….racism. Are you a Protestant by any chance?
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Sorry but do you think the business ended in 2005 and not the trial?
What was the name of the Mitchell’s dog before Mia?
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Oh please do.
And what did Shane Mitchell say happened to the Mitchell’s dog before Mia?
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What was the name of the Mitchell’s dog before Mia?
Blondi? after AH.
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”Mrs Mitchell told the court she returned home about 5.15pm on the day of the murder to find Luke in the kitchen making tea, while Shane was upstairs.
As they ate, Luke told her Jodi had sent him a text message suggesting they meet that night
Krissy Porteous
Inka Oldmoot there’s no way of knowing whether it was Jodi that actually sent those messages to Luke,it’s been proven that she wasn’t actually grounded that day so it puts those messages into question IMO
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“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.
Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell attend the army cadets after his murder of Jodi Jones?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell tell James English her killer son had been ‘seeing’ Jodi Jones for ‘about five months’?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell described himself as the “local weirdo”
'Jodi met him in March. It was a Friday and she was going out with him after school. I think they used to speak in form class and one day agreed to go out.
'After that they were together a lot. 'He wasn't as isolated as he used to be when he was going out with Jodi but he did hang back when she was chatting to us.'
‘But only weeks into the relationship, Jodi became worried about Mitchell's close friendship with Laura Wightman, a girl he would later take to her graveside.
‘She added: 'We all knew him from first year but he was isolated and wasn't well-liked but then he changed and started looking a bit grungy.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558
MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
Robert said: 'Personally, I have a dislike for knives because my brother was attacked with one. I just expressed my opinion I didn't appreciate it.'
He explained that around Christmas 2002 he had met Mitchell with a girl called Kim.
In the spring of last year, Mitchell started going out with Jodi and Robert believed he was seeing both girls at the same time.
He added: 'He (Mitchell) mentioned they looked alike and he just said they were almost identical.'
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, then put up pictures of Jodi and Kim on a screen and asked: 'The very first time you looked at the photo of Kim,who did you think it was?'
Robert said: 'I though it was Jodi.' Mr Turnbull asked: 'After the killing of Jodi, did Luke say anything to you about hearing from Kim?'
Robert said: 'I think I asked Luke what Kim had said and I'm sure he said Kim had texted or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.'
What did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell his mother Corinne Mitchell about his 79 plus telephone calls and text messages to Kimberly Thomson ?
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Scratch the surface and there it is….racism. Are you a Protestant by any chance?
You have made, what, in excess of eighteen thousand posts on this forum? I wonder how many of them are under three lines and completely fatuous, like the above? Such a tragic waste of bandwidth.
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You have made, what, in excess of eighteen thousand posts on this forum? I wonder how many of them are under three lines and completely fatuous, like the above? Such a tragic waste of bandwidth.
I notice you failed to answer. I do sometimes wonder about some members apparent need to demonise every action of the Mitchell family. What do you know…it was racism and bigotry all along. All rather sad.
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Did Corinne Mitchell also buy her killer son the balaclava ?
Was the balaclava for camping and did the police seize this during their house searches ?
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I notice you failed to answer. I do sometimes wonder about some members apparent need to demonise every action of the Mitchell family. What do you know…it was racism and bigotry all along. All rather sad.
Your mask is slipping, Erik (a). Êtes-vous d'accord?
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Has Corinne Mitchell ever discussed her adoption and the impact this may well have had on her reasoning for choosing to lie for her killer son and become his accomplice?
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I spoke to a woman from Whitburn on youtube & messenger a few months back whose younger sister was called as a witness to court. This woman told me that her wee sister had a photo of LM wearing the parka at a concert circa May '03, and that Jodi and some other friends were in this photo too. This girl was adamant that this photo was shown in court as evidence. Also, the woman indicated that KT was a witness at court on the same days as her wee sister, and that KT had a photo of LM wearing a parka from circa February '03, which was also shown in court as evidence (incidentally, there is an old post from KT communicating with another forum member on another website where she clearly states that he definitely did own a parka pre-murder; in this same post, she also said that LM was a good liar and very smart). Interestingly, the Whiburn lass also told me that CCTV footage from St David's High School was also shown in court to prove he owned that parka before the murder. Some posters on here think that these photos & cctv footage weren't produced in court as evidence because it was never mentioned in the press and that vital evidence such as this would've been reported immediately. However, not all journalists were at this trial every day and so it's possible this evidence went unnoticed, or the journalists who were there when this evidence was presented in court didn't place as much importance on it (journalists have their own thoughts & interpretations on what they deem vital information, and, besides, some journos are much better at their jobs than others).
I have no reason to not believe this woman. Besides, none of us on here were at the 42-day trial, were we?
Do Scott and Sandra not have all the evidence that was used in court, including transcripts etc. They would also have copies of these statements and photos/cctv if it existed. So why would they say Luke did not have a parka and push that statement so strongly over the years, seems very risky if there is evidence to the contrary.
I personally would not believe such important information from some random person on the internet without proof like the picture in question. If these photos did exist and they definitely from before the murder then that would be case closed for me, would prove Luke and his mum to be lying, a jacket to be missing and his current his legal team to be liars and almost knowing trying to get a child killer off.
Sorry I don’t believe it, would love for it to be true though as it would mean for me the correct person is locked up.
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Ana Azaria
Krissy Porteous Yes, the Police took the green bomber jacket from him at the Police station after the body was found
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Her name is Jodi Jones!
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Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement? I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.
How to make a freedom of information requests for a copy of psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page witness statement and copies of other transcripts
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Do Scott and Sandra not have all the evidence that was used in court, including transcripts etc. They would also have copies of these statements and photos/cctv if it existed. So why would they say Luke did not have a parka and push that statement so strongly over the years, seems very risky if there is evidence to the contrary.
I personally would not believe such important information from some random person on the internet without proof like the picture in question. If these photos did exist and they definitely from before the murder then that would be case closed for me, would prove Luke and his mum to be lying, a jacket to be missing and his current his legal team to be liars and almost knowing trying to get a child killer off.
Sorry I don’t believe it, would love for it to be true though as it would mean for me the correct person is locked up.
Bullseye, what if SM stepped forward with a picture and said at the same time he remembered seeing his brother home? Both of these were game changers to yourself, would that just keep you on the fence?
This sitting on the fence where you are saying that you believe fully that both Ms Lean and SF's do nothing but tell the truth? Why the hell are you on any fence? If you believe everything they say to be true then there is no fence - Absurd.
Abrupt I know, but come on now, one cannot have it all ways, can they now? - They do not hold the CCTV footage, they do not hold the physical recordings of the taped interviews, at least, that is what they claim? Ms Lean says 'maybe the police FW the CCTV recording to another point' Ms Lean says that she has NOT heard the recordings but seen the transcripts of the calls. Not and never held the full court transcripts of the trial itself, and how do we know this? Firstly Ms Lean stated this as fact, that to have such would have cost the price of a small mortgage, then we can move to AO's, could not say if he had been a Crown witness or not?
And we know what they class as evidence is not evidence at all other than existence. We have the statement of RK to back this up, not in the defence papers, no reason to be there. We have multiple missing phone logs for and again, no reason to be there. They are defence papers which mainly consist of the case that DF put forward. From all that he had access to, such as seeing the physical copy of all phone logs, statements in their entirety, vital precognitions and on that list goes.
The actual reason for that agreement, the manipulation around this alone. The carefully worded manipulation "Another source made the Mitchell's aware of an agreement to not discuss the DNA evidence" Now let us apply the correct term here. The AD with DF made an agreement in front of Luke to not continue further with DNA that was not going to be used as evidence"
Subtle, but changes the meaning entirely. By not saying who the source is gives room for not acknowledging the actual reason, applying the word "evidence" when it was not evidence of anything other than existence.
"You'd think if they had all that DNA evidence they would have used it?" Quite so, they would have, IF it were evidence of anything other than existence. "It makes no logical sense for they did discuss the DNA evidence" Yes it does make perfect logical sense, when the correct term is applied, the actual truth.
Oddly enough, you certainly appear to believe lots with zero proof to back it up other than blind faith? The many people who speak of that coat don't do so for the good of their health, what reason can anyone else have to simply make things up? - Applying being scared, trying to oppose the truth, are not answers, they are teachings!
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Has anyone applied to the FOI yet for the LM 22 page statement? I'm keen to do it but don't want to waste time if it's unlikely to get a positive response.
There is an updated template which can be used and it’s unlikely to get a negative response given the attention the dangerous psycho killer, and his enablers, has generated
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Bullseye, what if SM stepped forward with a picture and said at the same time he remembered seeing his brother home? Both of these were game changers to yourself, would that just keep you on the fence?
This sitting on the fence where you are saying that you believe fully that both Ms Lean and SF's do nothing but tell the truth? Why the hell are you on any fence? If you believe everything they say to be true then there is no fence - Absurd.
Abrupt I know, but come on now, one cannot have it all ways, can they now? - They do not hold the CCTV footage, they do not hold the physical recordings of the taped interviews, at least, that is what they claim? Ms Lean says 'maybe the police FW the CCTV recording to another point' Ms Lean says that she has NOT heard the recordings but seen the transcripts of the calls. Not and never held the full court transcripts of the trial itself, and how do we know this? Firstly Ms Lean stated this as fact, that to have such would have cost the price of a small mortgage, then we can move to AO's, could not say if he had been a Crown witness or not?
And we know what they class as evidence is not evidence at all other than existence. We have the statement of RK to back this up, not in the defence papers, no reason to be there. We have multiple missing phone logs for and again, no reason to be there. They are defence papers which mainly consist of the case that DF put forward. From all that he had access to, such as seeing the physical copy of all phone logs, statements in their entirety, vital precognitions and on that list goes.
The actual reason for that agreement, the manipulation around this alone. The carefully worded manipulation "Another source made the Mitchell's aware of an agreement to not discuss the DNA evidence" Now let us apply the correct term here. The AD with DF made an agreement in front of Luke to not continue further with DNA that was not going to be used as evidence"
Subtle, but changes the meaning entirely. By not saying who the source is gives room for not acknowledging the actual reason, applying the word "evidence" when it was not evidence of anything other than existence.
"You'd think if they had all that DNA evidence they would have used it?" Quite so, they would have, IF it were evidence of anything other than existence. "It makes no logical sense for they did discuss the DNA evidence" Yes it does make perfect logical sense, when the correct term is applied, the actual truth.
Oddly enough, you certainly appear to believe lots with zero proof to back it up other than blind faith? The many people who speak of that coat don't do so for the good of their health, what reason can anyone else have to simply make things up? - Applying being scared, trying to oppose the truth, are not answers, they are teachings!
I do agree that was abrupt. I fail to understand why people continue to have a go at me for being on the fence? There are loads of of people that feel the same as I do, just not sure if it was Luke or not. That’s why we are discussing things is it not.
I do not believe everything Scott and Sandra say and I fully understand there is no way they have every piece of evidence. There must be other phone records they don’t have etc but a photo used in court of Luke in the parka I would think they would either have or know about. I could well be wrong and as I said I’d love for a photo to be produced.
I don’t think I believe things with blind faith, I like to ask questions on stuff which I think is clear from lots of my posts. I take a lot on board and give it concentration but in this case who knows what to believe on some of the points, that’s why I’d love to see an independent review even though it will probably never happen.
Do you believe or think this talk of a photo is correct, you know a lot more about the case than I do? Is this something you have heard off?
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Krissy Porteous
Is there any actual proof that [Name removed]s was in school the last half of the day and then got the school bus home? That she was actually in the house that afternoon,Apart from the jones family st
Inka Oldmoot
Krissy Porteous Based on what is known I would have to accept she had been in her home and had left it at some point that evening, as a witness saw her walking down her street, eg street where her house was.
So I think she did go home after school.
Evidence shows they were sent from her mums phone as Jodi’s phone was broken (broken phone is fact). JUJ was using the phone soon before texts were sent, did not actually see Jodi sending them but I believe she saw Jodi with the phone.
If someone else sent them, then who and why? We know she was walking down her street, we know she was followed by stocky man, so she was alive when she left her home.
Krissy Porteous
Inka Oldmoot all that is known, up to the stocky man,is all statements from the jones family,[Name removed] n JuJ both gave statements she was in the house but one contradicted the other,the witness saw Jodi on lots of days after school,it’s possible she got mixed up(not my suggestion,it was suggested by Sandra in a podcast) as for the texts,who’s and why’s,there are people of the opinion that’s where Luke ‘set up’ began…the texts. I’m new so I don’t know what I think happened yet,I’m no where near, that’s why I’m asking questions,trying to find out what’s fact,fiction or a mix of both😅
The person who claimed they saw ‘stocky man’ was the one who got mixed up
Krissy and Inka should made a FOI request to obtain the information being hidden by dangerous psycho killer innocence fraud enablers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/23/convicted-killer-luke-muir-mitchells-22-page-witness-statement-freedom-of-information-request-part-166/
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Your mask is slipping, Erik (a). Êtes-vous d'accord?
So you’ve had someone else accuse you of racism and bigotry?
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“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.
Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell attend the army cadets after his murder of Jodi Jones?
Were the original parka jacket and the replacement parka jacket Corinne Mitchell purchased for her killer son Luke Mitchell similar as opposed to identical
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MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
Robert said: 'Personally, I have a dislike for knives because my brother was attacked with one. I just expressed my opinion I didn't appreciate it.'
He explained that around Christmas 2002 he had met Mitchell with a girl called Kim.
In the spring of last year, Mitchell started going out with Jodi and Robert believed he was seeing both girls at the same time.
He added: 'He (Mitchell) mentioned they looked alike and he just said they were almost identical.'
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, then put up pictures of Jodi and Kim on a screen and asked: 'The very first time you looked at the photo of Kim,who did you think it was?'
Robert said: 'I though it was Jodi.' Mr Turnbull asked: 'After the killing of Jodi, did Luke say anything to you about hearing from Kim?'
Robert said: 'I think I asked Luke what Kim had said and I'm sure he said Kim had texted or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.'
Robert Gilhooly referring to Kimberly Thomson
“Mr Gilhooly said he, his girlfriend, Mr Mitchell and the girl had gone out together about Christmas 2002. He said he thought Mr Mitchell continued going out with her after Jodi's death.
Mr Gilhooly said he met Mr Mitchell, by chance, after Jodi's death and Mr Mitchell told him about hearing from the other girl.
He said: "I think I asked Luke what [the girl] had said and I am sure he said that she had texted him or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.
"I am sure that is what he said."
Mr Gilhooly also said he thought Mr Mitchell said she was going to stand by him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4032073.stm
What exactly was Corinne Mitchell’s evidence regarding Kimberly Thomson
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Robert Gilhooly referring to Kimberly Thomson
“Mr Gilhooly said he, his girlfriend, Mr Mitchell and the girl had gone out together about Christmas 2002. He said he thought Mr Mitchell continued going out with her after Jodi's death.
Mr Gilhooly said he met Mr Mitchell, by chance, after Jodi's death and Mr Mitchell told him about hearing from the other girl.
He said: "I think I asked Luke what [the girl] had said and I am sure he said that she had texted him or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.
"I am sure that is what he said."
Mr Gilhooly also said he thought Mr Mitchell said she was going to stand by him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4032073.stm
What exactly was Corinne Mitchell’s evidence regarding Kimberly Thomson
The jury were showed photographs of Jodi Jones and Kimberly Thomson side by side and were told psycho killer Luke Mitchell was ‘going out’ with Kimberly when he met Jodi
“She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
"Right up until that time then, who did you think was his [Mr Mitchell's] girlfriend?" Mr Turnbull asked.
"Me", replied the teenager.
Miss Thomson told the court that Mr Mitchell had never mentioned Miss Jones to her.
Who cancelled the trip and why?
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell spoke to Kimberly Thomson for over 3 and a half hours on 28th June 2003
“When asked how she would describe her relationship with Mr Mitchell, she said: "Boyfriend and girlfriend."
Miss Thomson said they phoned each other and may have sent text messages as well.
Mr Mitchell visited Kenmore in the autumn of 2002 and Miss Thomson stayed at the Mitchell home in Dalkeith from Boxing Day until just after New Year.
The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
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The jury were showed photographs of Jodi Jones and Kimberly Thomson side by side and were told psycho killer Luke Mitchell was ‘going out’ with Kimberly when he met Jodi
“She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled.
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
"Right up until that time then, who did you think was his [Mr Mitchell's] girlfriend?" Mr Turnbull asked.
"Me", replied the teenager.
Miss Thomson told the court that Mr Mitchell had never mentioned Miss Jones to her.
Who cancelled the trip and why?
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell spoke to Kimberly Thomson for over 3 and a half hours on 28th June 2003
“When asked how she would describe her relationship with Mr Mitchell, she said: "Boyfriend and girlfriend."
Miss Thomson said they phoned each other and may have sent text messages as well.
Mr Mitchell visited Kenmore in the autumn of 2002 and Miss Thomson stayed at the Mitchell home in Dalkeith from Boxing Day until just after New Year.
The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
Why did psycho killer Luke Mitchell tell police on 1st July 2003 he thought Jodi Jones ‘had met somebody else and had gone off with them’?
“Recalling how a friend showed her a newspaper article after Jodi's murder, she said: "Luke's name was in it and Dalkeith as well.
“His girlfriend had been murdered, or something like that."
Mr Turnbull asked if she had sent a text message to Mr Mitchell demanding an explanation.
"I cannot remember," Miss Thomson replied.
The court earlier heard of a six-hour police interview with Luke Mitchell where he was asked why he had not contacted Jodi when she failed to turn up to meet him as arranged.
Detective Sergeant George Thomson told the court Luke Mitchell had told them that he thought Jodi had met somebody else and had gone off with them.
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Why did psycho killer Luke Mitchell tell police on 1st July 2003 he thought Jodi Jones ‘had met somebody else and had gone off with them’?
Convicted Killer Luke Muir Mitchell Ref: 22 Page Witness Statement & Other Court Transcripts - Freedom Of Information Request (Part 167)
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Sandra Lean
Thank you jansus - my tenacity was not entirely down to altruism, however - my girls were around the same age as Jodi when she was murdered, and my concern then, as now, was with the possibility that a vicious murderer was allowed to go free amongst us. That an innocent boy should be pursued in place of the real attacker made it all the more disgusting to me.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg216255.html#msg216255
‘Altruism’
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Sandra Lean
Thank you jansus - my tenacity was not entirely down to altruism, however - my girls were around the same age as Jodi when she was murdered, and my concern then, as now, was with the possibility that a vicious murderer was allowed to go free amongst us. That an innocent boy should be pursued in place of the real attacker made it all the more disgusting to me.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg216255.html#msg216255
‘Altruism’
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There was, and is, nothing ‘innocent’ about teenage psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell
He was, and is, extremely dangerous - especially towards females - and was (and is) a cunning, calculated and highly manipulative individual
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Krissy Porteous
Is there any actual proof that [Name removed]s was in school the last half of the day and then got the school bus home? That she was actually in the house that afternoon,Apart from the jones family st
2nd July 2003
"One 40-year-old, who did not want to be named, said: "This has come as a horrific shock to everyone who lives in the area.
"I saw Jodi on her way back from school on Monday afternoon and she walked past my house looking like she didn’t have a care in the world
She was a very friendly girl from a very nice family. She was always at school. I always saw her getting on and off the school bus..
Ana Azaria
Other than family member's statements, no, not that I'm aware of
Edit* Jodi was marked as present on the school register, but there's nothing after school other than family accounts
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2nd July 2003
"One 40-year-old, who did not want to be named, said: "This has come as a horrific shock to everyone who lives in the area.
"I saw Jodi on her way back from school on Monday afternoon and she walked past my house looking like she didn’t have a care in the world
She was a very friendly girl from a very nice family. She was always at school. I always saw her getting on and off the school bus..
Ana Azaria
Other than family member's statements, no, not that I'm aware of
Edit* Jodi was marked as present on the school register, but there's nothing after school other than family accounts
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‘A very nice family’ who Sandra Lean, and Scott Forbes, have attempted to abuse, harass, demonise and defame
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Sandra Lean
Chaz Cairns Yeah, he literally turned up, without any warning, on my doorstep
Sandra Lean
Chaz Cairns he was ranting about "strands" of Luke's DNA being "all over" Jodi - I tried to tell him he was wrong, but he was having none of it - calling me a "sick bitch" etc. The two things that really got me were, "Aye, look at you, no wonder you look scared - so you should" and, "That website goes or you do - I know where you live now."
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There is no evidence Joe Jones said any of the above
Sandra Lean invited Joe Jones to look through the DNA paperwork with her
Would she have done this if she really viewed him as a threat to her
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No evidence of this either
Cath Black
Sandra Lean shocking really he came to your house even x
Sandra Lean
Cath Black And the police thought it was funny!!!
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2nd July 2003
"One 40-year-old, who did not want to be named, said: "This has come as a horrific shock to everyone who lives in the area.
"I saw Jodi on her way back from school on Monday afternoon and she walked past my house looking like she didn’t have a care in the world
She was a very friendly girl from a very nice family. She was always at school. I always saw her getting on and off the school bus..
Ronnie Mothersole
The text between Jodi and Luke,,,4.34 on JuJ phone is a lie There is no evidence that Jodi was in the house
The last time Jodi was seen is at 1300 with school pals smoking drugs in the China garden
I believe that Jodi was dead by the time
Of the panic texting between juj and AO
That started 3.32 while AO was at work and lasted to 3.50 a text every 21/2 minutes resulting in 7 text
Then at 1600 to. 1629 a further 5 texts
Then 6 minutes later That text to Luke from Jodi This is the first time that Luke is being fitted up the start of it all
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Heather Brunt in response to the following http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg652168#msg652168
Heather
I couldn't even get past a few last news, it's littered with RUBBISH, #LukeMitchell told Scott c Forbes Sandra could have the files. No one's going to read your nonsense unless you start with some kind of truth
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Sandra Lean
Thank you jansus - my tenacity was not entirely down to altruism, however - my girls were around the same age as Jodi when she was murdered, and my concern then, as now, was with the possibility that a vicious murderer was allowed to go free amongst us. That an innocent boy should be pursued in place of the real attacker made it all the more disgusting to me.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg216255.html#msg216255
‘Altruism’
She is the Midlothian Mother Teresa and no doubt her Nobel Peace Prize won't be too far off.
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Heather Brunt in response to the following http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg652168#msg652168
Heather
I couldn't even get past a few last news, it's littered with RUBBISH, #LukeMitchell told Scott c Forbes Sandra could have the files. No one's going to read your nonsense unless you start with some kind of truth
Oh dear - It's one of those "no shit" moments, really Heather? Are you sure this was the process now? They don't appear to know themselves, such a series of conflicting accounts. Shall we have a re-run? Scott c Forbes says he had the boxes of defence papers stacked in his room in 2006 (In his book), he was lying Heather. SL says she was granted POA and obtained access to those papers, that she too had them stacked up her spare room. This POA status around 2009/10. They do a 'live' together, and Scott c Forbes says 2007/08/09 something like that, and who cares when really? But he distinctly remembered Ms Lean carting them to him in her van to Stirling, they both "think" this may have been 2009? But and again, what does it matter they say who has access, or when, what or why? Think the term "slippery as f**k is the only thing to be applied, again Heather.
I agree Heather, rubbish indeed, what is there to believe UNLESS it is the truth, and how do we begin to start sifting through a mire of deceit to find any truth? With access from a compulsive liar, convicted killer, being granted to like minded people who have no qualms in the slightest around compulsively lying?
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I agree Heather, rubbish indeed, what is there to believe UNLESS it is the truth, and how do we begin to start sifting through a mire of deceit to find any truth?
What indeed Parky when one’s understanding of a case if shaped by a combination of vacuousness and vitriol?
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What indeed Parky when one’s understanding of a case if shaped by a combination of vacuousness and vitriol?
Faith, what are your 3 key points that convince you of LM's innocence without blaming someone else? I'll start from a guilty perspective.
1) Behaviour between 4-6pm and lack of credible alibi as to being where he said he was and not calling back J family after 6pm. His g/f was on way to meet him and never turned up. 5 possible sightings at RD Path exits.
2) Conduct from 11pm onwards and "finding the body" within minutes in a heavily wooded area that he claimed he was unfamiliar with.
3) Heavy cannabis use, ownership of knives and threats against various girls from age 12. Add in some Satanic interests at an early age as well. "I was the local weirdo" (LM). "He was just a normal laddie" (CM).
4) Sandra Lean/Scott Forbes
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Faith, what are your 3 key points that convince you of LM's innocence without blaming someone else? I'll start from a guilty perspective.
1) Behaviour between 4-6pm and lack of credible alibi as to being where he said he was and not calling back J family after 6pm. His g/f was on way to meet him and never turned up. 5 possible sightings at RD Path exits.
2) Conduct from 11pm onwards and "finding the body" within minutes in a heavily wooded area that he claimed he was unfamiliar with.
3) Heavy cannabis use, ownership of knives and threats against various girls from age 12. Add in some Satanic interests at an early age as well. "I was the local weirdo" (LM). "He was just a normal laddie" (CM).
4) Sandra Lean/Scott Forbes
Let me drill further into your reasons before giving you mine.
1)What behaviour? He cooked dinner, ate dinner and went out to wait for Jodi. No tangible evidence has ever been produced to disprove that. Luke was punished for his brother’s absentmindedness in his first statement. That is absolutely clear. Luke had called Jodi’s home and been told that she’d left. What else could her family have told him if he’d called back? Perhaps he believed that they’d be annoyed if he kept calling? How does his gf not turning up prove he murdered her? 5 possible sightings? AB’s original statements were far too late to be Jodi and Luke, the identification was carried out without adherence to proper procedure and she failed to identify him in court. It is obvious that the police, at first, failed to take the sighting seriously as on the 17th of July they called the Stocky Man sighting ‘ the first possible sighting of Jodi after leaving home’. This of course was at least two weeks after AB had given her statement about the youths at the Easthouses entrance to RDP. Can you explain this? F & W were shown to be the thoroughly dishonest pair they were. Even after they had allegedly identified Luke they didn’t inform the police even though they had reported the sighting in the first place.
2)Again you’ll have to explain what behaviour you mean? If AW hadn’t suggested that they go back down the path Luke had just came up Luke would never have been in the wood. Much is made of the swiftness with which he found the body but the logical place if Jodi wasn’t found unconscious on the path was to look in the woods. How long do you think it should have taken him to find it? All that planning, the laying of a false alibi, burning of clothes etc and he puts himself thoroughly in the frame by pretending to find the body. Is that really what you think? Of course it really comes down to whether you believe the testimony of three witnesses who changed their statements, according to the BBC who would have seen the statements, or Luke.
3) If heavy cannabis use was a contributory factor in this crime then half the teenagers in Dalkeith should have been in the frame, some of those closest to Jodi included. Did Luke have a knife or have an interest in knives? How many of those around about him owned similar knives? Who did the girls tell first about their traumatic encounters…the police or the tabloids? That tells you everything that you need to know. ‘Satanic interests’? What are they when they’re at home? Was the murder in any way satanic or ritualistic?
4) Sandra Lean/Scott Forbes? And? Care to extrapolate?
As to why I don’t believe Luke is guilty…I have just one reason. Without substantial changing of initial statements no one could categorically put him on that path at the time Jodi is presumed to have been killed. Of course you could put the lack of coherent statements down to trauma or forgetfulness but then to be fair you’d have to apply the same understanding to Shane Mitchell.
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Heather Cuthbertson
Sandra Lean grr. Does luke have any thoughts on who done this to jodie? Got to remember he would have been grieving for a girlfriend whilst getting all this thrown at him d
Sandra Lean
Heather Cuthbertson He has his thoughts but, like me, he wouldn't point the finger, because to do that to someone else would just be doing what was done to him. Also, it could create a situation where the real killer might never be brought to trial, because they would be able to claim they couldn't have a "fair" trial after being publicly accused - the irony!!!
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Sandra Lean
Adele Brownless We don't know for sure that the fingernail samples were destroyed - we're still waiting to find out. But we do know they were taken for destruction, so I'm not holding out a huge amount of hope there.
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Sandra Lean
AAnne Adb, Cath Black Shane was in the house after work, went out after tea to meet some friends and was back home, in his room, when The call came in from Judith saying she'd called round her friends and Jodi was nowhere to be found
Was he?
And Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany his 14 year old brother to help ‘search’ ?
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Looks like someone made a freedom of information request to police Scotland for copies of statements re psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell in 2021 https://www.scotland.police.uk/spa-media/ejtnhtl4/21-0536-response.pdf
Freedom of information requests for psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page witness statement (dated 1st July 2003), and other transcripts, should be made to the Scottish Courts & Tribunal Services (SCTS)
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
This seems to be whats happening in lukes case also. People finding it hard to believe they have been fed false information all this time. Refuse to believe it.
Yep
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Corinne Mitchell
The police reported that Luke had "concealed" trousers in his hold~all........The trousers were "in" his hold~all...a hold~all used to go to his fathers every weekend and like all teenagers, never emptied from one week to the next (the trousers were taken to be tested and ofcourse, there was nothing on them except the usual from being worn)....
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=546.msg16259#msg16259
The evidence of the sadistic killer was that he spent Sundays at his fathers house
When did psycho killer Luke Mitchell last visit his father Philip Mitchell
Were these the trousers with [Name removed]’s DNA on them?
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Corinne Mitchell
The police reported that Luke had "concealed" trousers in his hold~all........The trousers were "in" his hold~all...a hold~all used to go to his fathers every weekend and like all teenagers, never emptied from one week to the next (the trousers were taken to be tested and ofcourse, there was nothing on them except the usual from being worn)....
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=546.msg16259#msg16259
There was no evidence that psycho killer Luke Mitchell had spent the weekend of the 28th/29th June 2003 with his father Philip Mitchell
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AAnne Adb
First of all I'd like to say I 100% believe Luke to be innocent. Always have right from the beginning. Can someone local please answer this. I showed my friend the Scott Forbes Long Walk to Justice. She is adamant that you don't have to walk through the streets to get to where Luke stayed from where the murder happened and that you can go a back way through fields etc. I argued that if was the case the prosecution would surely have said it but I'm from West Lothian and don't know the area.
Sandra Lean
Because of where Luke lived, he'd have had to come out onto wide streets with houses either side, whatever route he took. There is a "back route" (which, as I just said, would still mean Luke coming out onto the wide open street), but, had Luke taken that route, the already tight timings would have become impossible.
Remember, the prosecution case is that Luke was "seen", in a Parka jacket at the Newbattle end of the path and then again literally minutes later, at the end of his street, in a bomber jacket. If he'd had to take the "back route" from where the first witnesses claimed to have seen him, to get home and change out of the Parka into the bomber, (a) there's no time for him to do that and (b) after he'd taken the back route, he would still have had to walk along the street, in said Parka jacket, to get to his house.
There was no separate entrance to the house via the back garden - all the back gardens were connected behind the houses, so the only way into his house was through the front door - from the street.
Hope that helps!!
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Let me drill further into your reasons before giving you mine./
As to why I don’t believe Luke is guilty…I have just one reason. Without substantial changing of initial statements no one could categorically put him on that path at the time Jodi is presumed to have been killed. Of course you could put the lack of coherent statements down to trauma or forgetfulness but then to be fair you’d have to apply the same understanding to Shane Mitchell.
Much of what you wrote has been discussed numerous times and it would be pointless to go over the same issues although I respect your opinion. I don’t believe the Mitchell’s dinner alibi and neither did the majority of the jury while both CM & SM were charged with perjury which caused SM to change his story, which alongside the already substantial circumstantial evidence lead to a guilty verdict.
Regarding his actions and behaviour - From the 2008 Appeal: Par[94] The appellant's actions had also amounted to an attempt to construct a false defence; his explanations to police officers, and to the deceased's mother, as to why the deceased might not have arrived to meet him contradicted his knowledge of her movements on the evening of her death; he told DH that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear; and he had repeatedly lied about the circumstances in which his dog's reaction led him to the deceased.
As to Lean & Forbes as his amateur legal team – if there was an opportunity to overturn a MOJ, the best of the Scottish legal profession would be all over it. L & F come across with a distinct lack of integrity and a deceptive agenda IMO and have probably done more to keep LM in jail by their past & present witch hunts no doubt orchestrated by the Dark Lord of HMP Shotts himself. Has there ever been a successful outcome in any of Lean’s campaigns in 20 years? Did she not say in 2014 approx she had been duped by LM?
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Much of what you wrote has been discussed numerous times and it would be pointless to go over the same issues although I respect your opinion. I don’t believe the Mitchell’s dinner alibi and neither did the majority of the jury while both CM & SM were charged with perjury which caused SM to change his story, which alongside the already substantial circumstantial evidence lead to a guilty verdict.
Regarding his actions and behaviour - From the 2008 Appeal: Par[94] The appellant's actions had also amounted to an attempt to construct a false defence; his explanations to police officers, and to the deceased's mother, as to why the deceased might not have arrived to meet him contradicted his knowledge of her movements on the evening of her death; he told DH that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear; and he had repeatedly lied about the circumstances in which his dog's reaction led him to the deceased.
As to Lean & Forbes as his amateur legal team – if there was an opportunity to overturn a MOJ, the best of the Scottish legal profession would be all over it. L & F come across with a distinct lack of integrity and a deceptive agenda IMO and have probably done more to keep LM in jail by their past & present witch hunts no doubt orchestrated by the Dark Lord of HMP Shotts himself. Has there ever been a successful outcome in any of Lean’s campaigns in 20 years? Did she not say in 2014 approx she had been duped by LM?
You have to ask yourself what impact charging Corrine and Shane with perverting the course of justice had on the jury even before the case got to court? How Shane’s evidence was impacted knowing that if he didn’t toe the line the police wanted him to he may go to prison himself? How the jury were impacted when Turnbull warned Corrine to tell the truth? Little tricks but hugely impactful. Why do you think L&Bs didn’t go ahead with the charges against Corrine and Shane? Could it be that they knew that they didn’t have the evidence to secure a conviction, knew the cases would never come to court but by the time the charges were dropped they’d served their purpose, that they’d destroyed the credibility of those who gave Luke an alibi?
Your second paragraph is simply the Crown’s case, every part of which was tainted in some way. Do you really think that they were going to deviate from it in any way unless they were forced kicking and screaming to do it? Are you aware of how many appeals of wrongfully convicted people fail before justice is latterly achieved?
Your last paragraph is just a hateful spittle flecked diatribe of the type I’ve come to expect here and not worthy of further discussion.
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Much of what you wrote has been discussed numerous times and it would be pointless to go over the same issues although I respect your opinion. I don’t believe the Mitchell’s dinner alibi and neither did the majority of the jury while both CM & SM were charged with perjury which caused SM to change his story, which alongside the already substantial circumstantial evidence lead to a guilty verdict.
Regarding his actions and behaviour - From the 2008 Appeal: Par[94] The appellant's actions had also amounted to an attempt to construct a false defence; his explanations to police officers, and to the deceased's mother, as to why the deceased might not have arrived to meet him contradicted his knowledge of her movements on the evening of her death; he told DH that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear; and he had repeatedly lied about the circumstances in which his dog's reaction led him to the deceased.
As to Lean & Forbes as his amateur legal team – if there was an opportunity to overturn a MOJ, the best of the Scottish legal profession would be all over it. L & F come across with a distinct lack of integrity and a deceptive agenda IMO and have probably done more to keep LM in jail by their past & present witch hunts no doubt orchestrated by the Dark Lord of HMP Shotts himself. Has there ever been a successful outcome in any of Lean’s campaigns in 20 years? Did she not say in 2014 approx she had been duped by LM?
I’m surprised you didn’t point out to Faithlilly the wholly illogical reason she gave for believing in Mitchell’s innocence. The reason she gave is in no way evidence of his innocence. Perhaps you could ask her to try again to list all the evidence for innocence, as she has me on ignore?
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You have to ask yourself what impact charging Corrine and Shane with perverting the course of justice had on the jury even before the case got to court? How Shane’s evidence was impacted knowing that if he didn’t toe the line the police wanted him to he may go to prison himself? How the jury were impacted when Turnbull warned Corrine to tell the truth? Little tricks but hugely impactful. Why do you think L&Bs didn’t go ahead with the charges against Corrine and Shane? Could it be that they knew that they didn’t have the evidence to secure a conviction, knew the cases would never come to court but by the time the charges were dropped they’d served their purpose, that they’d destroyed the credibility of those who gave Luke an alibi?
Your second paragraph is simply the Crown’s case, every part of which was tainted in some way. Do you really think that they were going to deviate from it in any way unless they were forced kicking and screaming to do it? Are you aware of how many appeals of wrongfully convicted people fail before justice is latterly achieved?
Your last paragraph is just a hateful spittle flecked diatribe of the type I’ve come to expect here and your not worthy of further discussion.
”hateful spittle flecked diatribe” has become your new mantra hasn’t it? Kind of ironic really, coming as it does from someone so well versed in same.
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You have to ask yourself what impact charging Corrine and Shane with perverting the course of justice had on the jury even before the case got to court? How Shane’s evidence was impacted knowing that if he didn’t toe the line the police wanted him to he may go to prison himself? How the jury were impacted when Turnbull warned Corrine to tell the truth? Little tricks but hugely impactful. Why do you think L&Bs didn’t go ahead with the charges against Corrine and Shane? Could it be that they knew that they didn’t have the evidence to secure a conviction, knew the cases would never come to court but by the time the charges were dropped they’d served their purpose, that they’d destroyed the credibility of those who gave Luke an alibi?
Who knows - everyone's second guessing.
Your second paragraph is simply the Crown’s case, every part of which was tainted in some way. Do you really think that they were going to deviate from it in any way unless they were forced kicking and screaming to do it? Are you aware of how many appeals of wrongfully convicted people fail before justice is latterly achieved?
No I don't - how many? I would be astonished if LM is ever one of them.
Your last paragraph is just a hateful spittle flecked diatribe of the type I’ve come to expect here and your not worthy of further discussion.
Not hateful, just critical and are valid points that merit discussion and are ignored by LM defenders.
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I’m surprised you didn’t point out to Faithlilly the wholly illogical reason she gave for believing in Mitchell’s innocence. The reason she gave is in no way evidence of his innocence. Perhaps you could ask her to try again to list all the evidence for innocence, as she has me on ignore?
I agree but sometimes you can't argue with such irrationality.
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Not second guessing….applying logic.
TC Campbell and Joe Steele appealed 3 times, likewise the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four twice. Do you see a pattern?
You are not making a point, you are expressing a personal opinion. An opinion that suggests that you are unable to judge the evidence dispassionately due to personal prejudice.
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I agree but sometimes you can't argue with such irrationality.
Interesting that you see this as an argument. Perhaps that where the problem lies?
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Interesting that you see this as an argument. Perhaps that where the problem lies?
Of course it’s an argument, that’s what you’re here for aren’t you? If you weren’t you wouldn’t use such emotive terms as “hateful spittle-flecked diatribe”!
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TC Campbell and Joe Steele appealed 3 times, likewise the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four twice. Do you see a pattern?
No pattern whatsoever. One case overturned in Scotland in 30+ years - which was a gangland contract killing. The others were not in Scotland and were politically motivated, nothing like a young girl being murdered.
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No pattern whatsoever. One case overturned in Scotland in 30+ years - which was a gangland contract killing. The others were not in Scotland and were politically motivated, nothing like a young girl being murdered.
Just because there are *some* miscarriages of justice it doesn't follow that every verdict handed down that one doesn't agree with is a miscarriage of justice. One may as well point out all the appeals that failed where it has subsequently been proven beyond doubt that the guilty verdict was the correct one.
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No pattern whatsoever. One case overturned in Scotland in 30+ years - which was a gangland contract killing. The others were not in Scotland and were politically motivated, nothing like a young girl being murdered.
We are talking about the number of appeals carried out before a conviction is overturned not the motivation for the crimes.
Interesting article on miscarriages of justice and the wrongful conviction of Stuart Gair.
From the article:
“ During his trial, when his co-accused initially said he did not know Gair and that the police gave him a story for the witness box, the Advocate Depute threatened him with a perjury charge and threw him in the cells over lunchtime.”
Sound familiar?
https://news.stv.tv/opinion/gair-case-showed-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-justice-system
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We are talking about the number of appeals carried out before a conviction is overturned not the motivation for the crimes.
Interesting article on miscarriages of justice and the wrongful conviction of Stuart Gair.
From the article:
“ During his trial, when his co-accused initially said he did not know Gair and that the police gave him a story for the witness box, the Advocate Depute threatened him with a perjury charge and threw him in the cells over lunchtime.”
Sound familiar?
https://news.stv.tv/opinion/gair-case-showed-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-justice-system
OK, if you are talking about appeals, LM has had 3 including the SCCRC, nothing since 2014 with nothing seemingly in the pipeline suggests it is unlikely it will ever be appealed again unless Det. Forbes conjures up new evidence that is accepted.
It's a bit of a stretch to claim the Gair case mirrors LM, and that SM was threatened with perjury so he wouldn't tell the truth? I'm not sure the sentence he would have received but probably not much. If that was my brother I would have told the absolute truth if I'd seen him and campaigned alongside old Corinne for the past 18 years, but not a peep as he just wants a quiet life with his family who have never seen their uncle Luke. If you want a cite go to Broxburn Bing next Sunday and ask him if he thinks his brother's guilty. Case closed.
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OK, if you are talking about appeals, LM has had 3 including the SCCRC, nothing since 2014 with nothing seemingly in the pipeline suggests it is unlikely it will ever be appealed again unless Det. Forbes conjures up new evidence that is accepted.
It's a bit of a stretch to claim the Gair case mirrors LM, and that SM was threatened with perjury so he wouldn't tell the truth? I'm not sure the sentence he would have received but probably not much. If that was my brother I would have told the absolute truth if I'd seen him and campaigned alongside old Corinne for the past 18 years, but not a peep as he just wants a quiet life with his family who have never seen their uncle Luke. If you want a cite go to Broxburn Bing next Sunday and ask him if he thinks his brother's guilty. Case closed.
Firstly let’s wait and see.
Secondly Shane was not only threatened with perjury but charged with perverting he course of justice, a crime that carries an average sentence of 3 years and of course all the impact being a convicted felon has on your future prospects. Of course you may have told the truth in court and so might I but then we haven’t been subjected to the kind of police intimidation that Shane was or indeed the press intrusion. As to the cite, Broxburn Bing really isn’t my kind of thing but I’m sure you’ll be able to provide the proof needed if your claim is to be taken seriously.
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Firstly let’s wait and see.
Secondly Shane was not only threatened with perjury but charged with perverting he course of justice, a crime that carries an average sentence of 3 years and of course all the impact being a convicted felon has on your future prospects. Of course you may have told the truth in court and so might I but then we haven’t been subjected to the kind of police intimidation that Shane was or indeed the press intrusion. As to the cite, Broxburn Bing really isn’t my kind of thing but I’m sure you’ll be able to provide the proof needed if your claim is to be taken seriously.
We could wait and see or you could find out by the weekend what SM thinks. You don't need to take part and as long as you don't say you're friends with Sandra and pretend you like motos he should speak to you. I don't think he's going to provide a written statement so not sure how much more you want but believe Sandra's second hand versions as absolute truth.
It's not up to me to provide proof in a closed case - it's up to those who believe otherwise to offer credible alternatives without pointing the finger elsewhere and debate the evidence that got LM convicted.
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We could wait and see or you could find out by the weekend what SM thinks. You don't need to take part and as long as you don't say you're friends with Sandra and pretend you like motos he should speak to you. I don't think he's going to provide a written statement so not sure how much more you want but believe Sandra's second hand versions as absolute truth.
It's not up to me to provide proof in a closed case - it's up to those who believe otherwise to offer credible alternatives without pointing the finger elsewhere and debate the evidence that got LM convicted.
Has Shane ever publicly denied any of the quotes from his statements or treatment by police included in Dr Lean's book?
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Has Shane ever publicly denied any of the quotes from his statements or treatment by police included in Dr Lean's book?
SM has never spoken in public nor his father. I understand he has injunctions over CM & SL but cannot prove that but SL refuses to take questions on SM/PM. You could save yourself years of doubt if you actually spoke to him rather than pondering over what is in Sandra's book (I haven't read it....yet). BB this weekend if you really want the truth or continue believing abridged SL/CM's version.
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SM has never spoken in public nor his father. I understand he has injunctions over CM & SL but cannot prove that but SL refuses to take questions on SM/PM. You could save yourself years of doubt if you actually spoke to him rather than pondering over what is in Sandra's book (I haven't read it....yet). BB this weekend if you really want the truth or continue believing abridged SL/CM's version.
Can I ask….is any of your information first hand?
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Can I ask….is any of your information first hand?
Yes, I've said that before but people prefer to believe someone that's written a book based on statements and LM & CM's versions. Sandra will never discuss SM/PM publicly but happy to spend hours discussing the J family.
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Yes, I've said that before but people prefer to believe someone that's written a book based on statements and LM & CM's versions. Sandra will never discuss SM/PM publicly but happy to spend hours discussing the J family.
Okay. So Dr Lean has been brave enough to reveal her identity so we can decide on the veracity of the information she has made public. Will you do the same? You can DM it to me if you like.
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The case of Andrew Malkinson. The similarities between this case and Luke Mitchell’s are striking.
https://www.thejusticegap.com/andrew-malkinson-i-am-innocent-finally-i-have-the-chance-to-prove-it/
“ In 2004, Mr Malkinson was convicted by a 10-2 majority jury verdict of the July 2003 rape of a 33-year-old woman in Greater Manchester despite the absence of any forensic evidence linking him to the attack and notable discrepancies with the descriptions provided by eyewitnesses.”
And
“ According to APPEAL, Greater Manchester Police had ‘unlawfully lost or destroyed’ exhibits including items of the victim’s clothing‘ despite the force having a strict legal duty to retain them’. “
And from https://www.thejusticegap.com/forensically-aware-andy-malkinson-case/
“ If this had been an honest prosecution, then the case would have been founded on the forensic science evidence of which, in these circumstances, investigators could have expected a great deal. As it happened, there was none at all.
The Crown Prosecution Service attempted to fill this hole in its case by asserting that Malkinson was ‘forensically aware’.”
These cases seem to follow a pattern.
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Not a word about Luke Mitchell on that website. Why not?
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@KenMore - I would strongly recommend that you don’t share ANY personal details with Faithlilly.
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Geo Dylan
Hi
A wee question that's been bugging me?
I was watching Corry on James English again.
Corrie said that they have had a confession.
I know we can't say who, but why has that person not been brought forward and luke been freed.
Let me guess Legal loop hole.
Thanks guys x
Ana Azaria
Lynette Morrison Someone wrote to Luke's legal team while in prison, confessing to the crime - I'm not sure what that person was in prison for. The other supposed confession was never in writing or logged, so we don't know how true it is/whether it actually happened.
John weren’t you the ‘cop’ Corinne Mitchell referred to during her chat with James English?
Didn’t you also write to psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s legal team?
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Geo Dylan
Hi
A wee question that's been bugging me?
I was watching Corry on James English again.
Corrie said that they have had a confession.
I know we can't say who, but why has that person not been brought forward and luke been freed.
Let me guess Legal loop hole.
Thanks guys x
Ana Azaria
Lynette Morrison Someone wrote to Luke's legal team while in prison, confessing to the crime - I'm not sure what that person was in prison for. The other supposed confession was never in writing or logged, so we don't know how true it is/whether it actually happened.
John weren’t you the ‘cop’ Corinne Mitchell referred to during her chat with James English?
Didn’t you also write to psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s legal team?
Wasn’t his help spurned? Nothing ignites hatred like a bruised ego.
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Interesting comment on another forum if DSI Dobbie was given a commendation and gold clock for taking the killer off the streets or did he retire early? Apart from the first few hours mess of not containing the crimescene they had LM sussed and saw through his lies.
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Interesting comment on another forum if DSI Dobbie was given a commendation and gold clock for taking the killer off the streets or did he retire early? Apart from the first few hours mess of not containing the crimescene they had LM sussed and saw through his lies.
Have you heard of the ‘golden hour’ and how crucial it is to a criminal investigation? Perhaps you should read up on it? Dobbie’s shambolic handling of the crime scene and subsequent attempts at playing catch up fatally damaged the whole investigation into Jodi’s murder.
As to my earlier point about anonymity and how deeply it relates to credibility I don’t blame you for wanting to remain incognito. Revealing your identity in such an emotive discussion can at best bring you unwarranted and unwanted attention, I know I have a stalker myself, and at the worst can be dangerous. It does however weaken any claim to additional knowledge that you make.
Taking into account the above it does however give you a greater understanding of the courage that Dr Lean has shown in waiving her anonymity in order to fight for a cause she believes in. You may disagree with her opinion but not her fortitude. Naomi Channel, the producer of Over the Wall, reported in her podcast that she has reached out to several of the individuals who believed Luke was guilty and had left comments on the preview of her podcast to speak to her. None replied.
The tables have indeed turned when it’s now easier to publicly speak of a belief in Luke’s innocence than his guilt.
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Have you heard of the ‘golden hour’ and how crucial it is to a criminal investigation? Perhaps you should read up on it? Dobbie’s shambolic handling of the crime scene and subsequent attempts at playing catch up fatally damaged the whole investigation into Jodi’s murder.
As to my earlier point about anonymity and how deeply it relates to credibility I don’t blame you for wanting to remain incognito. Revealing your identity in such an emotive discussion can at best bring you unwarranted and unwanted attention, I know I have a stalker myself, and at the worst can be dangerous. It does however weaken any claim to additional knowledge that you make.
Taking into account the above it does however give you a greater understanding of the courage that Dr Lean has shown in waiving her anonymity in order to fight for a cause she believes in. You may disagree with her opinion but not her fortitude. Naomi Channel, the producer of Over the Wall, reported in her podcast that she has reached out to several of the individuals who believed Luke was guilty and had left comments on the preview of her podcast to speak to her. None replied.
The tables have indeed turned when it’s now easier to publicly speak of a belief in Luke’s innocence than his guilt.
As you go by an alias too I don’t think you’re in any position to lecture KenMore or anyone else about credibility. Clearly you don’t have the courage nor the conviction of your great mate (or perhaps it’s the thirst for fame and attention that drives her?)
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Have you heard of the ‘golden hour’ and how crucial it is to a criminal investigation? Perhaps you should read up on it? Dobbie’s shambolic handling of the crime scene and subsequent attempts at playing catch up fatally damaged the whole investigation into Jodi’s murder.
As to my earlier point about anonymity and how deeply it relates to credibility I don’t blame you for wanting to remain incognito. Revealing your identity in such an emotive discussion can at best bring you unwarranted and unwanted attention, I know I have a stalker myself, and at the worst can be dangerous. It does however weaken any claim to additional knowledge that you make.
Taking into account the above it does however give you a greater understanding of the courage that Dr Lean has shown in waiving her anonymity in order to fight for a cause she believes in. You may disagree with her opinion but not her fortitude. Naomi Channel, the producer of Over the Wall, reported in her podcast that she has reached out to several of the individuals who believed Luke was guilty and had left comments on the preview of her podcast to speak to her. None replied.
The tables have indeed turned when it’s now easier to publicly speak of a belief in Luke’s innocence than his guilt.
I do think this is a good point. People say the stuff on Luke is one sided but it seems nobody from the guilty side seems to wants to discuss this or debate it so things would look one sided. I’d love to have heard from Nicholas, John, parky etc so we had both sides for all to hear. But I think Naomi done a great job of getting most of the facts out there.
Can I ask why nobody from guilty camp wants to discuss with Naomi? Is there any way you guys would discuss this with someone like Naomi? I totally understand the family not wanting to get involved but you guys have been talking about this for years saying luke is clearly guilty, even making up websites dedicated to innocent fraud and spends hours/days on your cause but will not stand up for what you believe like Sandra does. Granted there is no reason for you guys to discuss but then I don’t think you can complain about things being one sided.
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I do think this is a good point. People say the stuff on Luke is one sided but it seems nobody from the guilty side seems to wants to discuss this or debate it so things would look one sided. I’d love to have heard from Nicholas, John, parky etc so we had both sides for all to hear. But I think Naomi done a great job of getting most of the facts out there.
Can I ask why nobody from guilty camp wants to discuss with Naomi? Is there any way you guys would discuss this with someone like Naomi? I totally understand the family not wanting to get involved but you guys have been talking about this for years saying luke is clearly guilty, even making up websites dedicated to innocent fraud and spends hours/days on your cause but will not stand up for what you believe like Sandra does. Granted there is no reason for you guys to discuss but then I don’t think you can complain about things being one sided.
For my own personal safety I do not wish to publicly engage with LM defenders. I have already been threatened online this year and Forbes seems to have done a recruitment drive at Polmont & Saughton recently with the amount of criminals and ex-criminals they've attracted. Many of the podcast hosts are ex-cons which brings the question of impartiality and a heavy anti-police bias which Lean & Forbes encourage to whip up Luke's Army. As far as I'm aware SL & SF have only appeared on pro-LM podcasts with the host agreeing with them so perhaps that's why it's seen as one-sided.
Secondly, the case is closed, there have been numerous appeals and I don't feel anyone needs to have a public debate to state why they agree with a guilty verdict. Mrs Lean has never engaged with myself in other debates/forums and seems to have a problem with certain questions and shuts them down so not much point in a debate. Truthseeker my backside.
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For my own personal safety I do not wish to publicly engage with LM defenders. I have already been threatened online this year and Forbes seems to have done a recruitment drive at Polmont & Saughton recently with the amount of criminals and ex-criminals they've attracted. Many of the podcast hosts are ex-cons which brings the question of impartiality and a heavy anti-police bias which Lean & Forbes encourage to whip up Luke's Army. As far as I'm aware SL & SF have only appeared on pro-LM podcasts with the host agreeing with them so perhaps that's why it's seen as one-sided.
Secondly, the case is closed, there have been numerous appeals and I don't feel anyone needs to have a public debate to state why they agree with a guilty verdict. Mrs Lean has never engaged with myself in other debates/forums and seems to have a problem with certain questions and shuts them down so not much point in a debate. Truthseeker my backside.
The interviewer interviewing Forbes on Through a Scottish Prism, is he an ex con or James English? I know the guy on Premeditated Patter is but I can’t think of any others. Perhaps you can? Further the fact that some of the podcasters are ex cons gives them an insight into the workings of the justice system that neither you nor I could ever have? James English admits that when he was first told by Joe Steele that Luke was innocent he didn’t believe it. Was he pro-Luke?
It is interesting that while you say that you don’t wish to debate publicly with anyone who believes in Luke’s innocence due to the danger it may put you in you think nothing of adding to the vicious rhetoric aimed at Dr Lean and thus putting her in further danger. If you’re a man that’s despicable, if you’re a woman unfathomably stupid. Either way it’s hypocrisy of the highest order.
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The interviewer interviewing Forbes on Through a Scottish Prism, is he an ex con or James English? I know the guy on Premeditated Patter is but I can’t think of any others. Perhaps you can? Further the fact that some of the podcasters are ex cons gives them an insight into the workings of the justice system that neither you nor I could ever have? James English admits that when he was first told by Joe Steele that Luke was innocent he didn’t believe it. Was he pro-Luke?
It is interesting that while you say that you don’t wish to debate publicly with anyone who believes in Luke’s innocence due to the danger it may put you in you think nothing of adding to the vicious rhetoric aimed at Dr Lean and thus putting her in further danger. If you’re a man that’s despicable, if you’re a woman unfathomably stupid. Either way it’s hypocrisy of the highest order.
Less of the personal lecturing please.
Remember you're defending a person who's written a book defending a convicted child killer and another book defending other killers who later confessed. I'm not sure where your "vicious rhetoric" comes from, but blaming an innnocent family for murdering their daughter and implicating numerous others might have something to do with the bad press she might get.
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Less of the personal lecturing please.
Remember you're defending a person who's written a book defending a convicted child killer and another book defending other killers who later confessed. I'm not sure where your "vicious rhetoric" comes from, but blaming an innnocent family for murdering their daughter and implicating numerous others might have something to do with the bad press she might get.
Apologies but I do so hate hypocrisy.
Is it worth pointing out to you that all victims of wrongful convictions were convicted at one point? Did that make them guilty? Further Luke was a child too when this happened. Let’s all hope that the justice system did indeed get it right in this case because if not it’s unforgivable what was done to an innocent child in our name.
As to Dr Lean defending killers who later confessed, we have the widow of one of those very killers on this very forum and she defended him too. Why isn’t your disapprobation directed at her too?
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Apologies but I do so hate hypocrisy.
Is it worth pointing out to you that all victims of wrongful convictions were convicted at one point? Did that make them guilty? Further Luke was a child too when this happened. Let’s all hope that the justice system did indeed get it right in this case because if not it’s unforgivable what was done to an innocent child in our name.
As to Dr Lean defending killers who later confessed, we have the widow of one of those very killers on this very forum and she defended him too. Why isn’t your disapprobation directed at her too?
Probbably because she’s not busting a gut trying to get a vicious murderer released from prison and trying to pin the crime on the victim’s own family, just a wild guess…
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For my own personal safety I do not wish to publicly engage with LM defenders. I have already been threatened online this year and Forbes seems to have done a recruitment drive at Polmont & Saughton recently with the amount of criminals and ex-criminals they've attracted. Many of the podcast hosts are ex-cons which brings the question of impartiality and a heavy anti-police bias which Lean & Forbes encourage to whip up Luke's Army. As far as I'm aware SL & SF have only appeared on pro-LM podcasts with the host agreeing with them so perhaps that's why it's seen as one-sided.
Secondly, the case is closed, there have been numerous appeals and I don't feel anyone needs to have a public debate to state why they agree with a guilty verdict. Mrs Lean has never engaged with myself in other debates/forums and seems to have a problem with certain questions and shuts them down so not much point in a debate. Truthseeker my backside.
I understand wanting to keep your anonymity. There are others who are not anonymous. I personally would like to see both sides discuss or debate everything so all questions are open and the answers out there once and for all but I don’t expect to see that any time soon.
You have mentioned a few times there are a lot of questions the Luke supporters will not answer or just avoid. I agree they don’t seem to answer things about Shane and Luke’s dad stance, but as Shane’s statement imo was a huge part of Luke being found guilty then it’s something I don’t think they should be avoiding unless it’s something that won’t look good for Luke. What are the questions you have that you feel Sandra, Scott or Luke supporters will not answer and avoid?
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they don’t seem to answer things about Shane and Luke’s dad stance, but as Shane’s statement imo was a huge part of Luke being found guilty then it’s something I don’t think they should be avoiding unless it’s something that won’t look good for Luke. What are the questions you have that you feel Sandra, Scott or Luke supporters will not answer and avoid?
I think you answer much of the question with SM/PMs invisibilty over the past 18 years. Any public debate is shut down saying they just want a quiet life but it would have been well reported if they had views. As to other questions, any debate on the incriminating evidence that got LM convicted or any mention of the Mitchell's alibi is usually ignored or deflected in favour of blaming the victim's family.
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I understand wanting to keep your anonymity. There are others who are not anonymous. I personally would like to see both sides discuss or debate everything so all questions are open and the answers out there once and for all but I don’t expect to see that any time soon.
You have mentioned a few times there are a lot of questions the Luke supporters will not answer or just avoid. I agree they don’t seem to answer things about Shane and Luke’s dad stance, but as Shane’s statement imo was a huge part of Luke being found guilty then it’s something I don’t think they should be avoiding unless it’s something that won’t look good for Luke. What are the questions you have that you feel Sandra, Scott or Luke supporters will not answer and avoid?
Can you explain to me what answers you expect Dr Lean to give in regard to Shane and his dad? Firstly she has made it clear many, many times that Shane does not want the exposure that would come with publicly backing his brother. Why do you find this so hard to believe? Secondly if there is ill-feeling between Shane and his mother and/or Luke for any reason why do you believe that it is your right to know but more importantly why do you think that it would be Dr Lean’s place to tell you? Are Shane and Corrine not allowed a private life simply because of their relationship with Luke?
If Shane held a press conference tomorrow and said that his brother had been at home when Jodi was killed, that he had seen him but felt pressured into the evidence he gave at court would you believe him?
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that won’t look good for Luke.
Congratulations, you are starting to figure it out 8@??)(
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Can you explain to me what answers you expect Dr Lean to give in regard to Shane and his dad? Firstly she has made it clear many, many times that Shane does not want the exposure that would come with publicly backing his brother. Why do you find this so hard to believe? Secondly if there is ill-feeling between Shane and his mother and/or Luke for any reason why do you believe that it is your right to know but more importantly why do you think that it would be Dr Lean’s place to tell you? Are Shane and Corrine not allowed a private life simply because of their relationship with Luke?
If Shane held a press conference tomorrow and said that his brother had been at home when Jodi was killed, that he had seen him but felt pressured into the evidence he gave at court would you believe him?
There is so much out there about Shane and Like so much in this case it’s all contradictory. I think it’s important the truth is told on all points of the case including Shane as his evidence in court was imo a huge part of luke being found guilty. Im sure the jones family along with anyone else connected to the case do not want any exposure either but with the publicity this has been drawing lately the exposure imo can only get worse for all involved.
I’m not expecting anything from Shane now. Sandra and Luke’s team have made it clear many times they will not discuss Shane.
A few years back on the blue forum I’m sure Sandra said Shane and his father both full support Luke but don’t take an active roll as they have their own life to live. But then others said that was not true, Shane did not support Luke and believed him to be guilty. Some people might think it doesn’t matter but imo it does, Shane was also his alibi. He may not remember what happened that night but if he does not support Luke now then I think that’s a big deal.
What do I expect Sandra Scott or the team to confirm, if true then simply that his brother and father also believe luke is innocent and support the independent review. If they are not involved in the case as they have their own life to live I get that, I would fully understand them wanting to get on with their lives and not go to the protests or get involved in anyway public or otherwise.
But if they don’t support the independent review and do not believe he is innocent I think that’s important for the team to put out there in public before someone else does as I feel it might cause some doubts and people may start to ask what else we were not being told. To ask people to support the case and put in time and effort with petitions, protests, writing to mps etc then it’s important to be open with all the information good and bad. Is it Sandra or Scott’s place to tell us this personal information about Shane and his dad maybe not but some might question if it was their place to publicly name Joseph and his medical records. It’s a thin line and I’m glad I’m not the one walking it.
Anything to do with Shane and his mother any fallout they may or may not have had is their own business.
As for Shane making a statement tomorrow, I can’t say if I’d believe him or not I would need to see and hear it first to make up my mind but it would answer another piece of the case everyone debates, what Shane says he remembers.
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There is so much out there about Shane and Like so much in this case it’s all contradictory. I think it’s important the truth is told on all points of the case including Shane as his evidence in court was imo a huge part of luke being found guilty. Im sure the jones family along with anyone else connected to the case do not want any exposure either but with the publicity this has been drawing lately the exposure imo can only get worse for all involved.
I’m not expecting anything from Shane now. Sandra and Luke’s team have made it clear many times they will not discuss Shane.
A few years back on the blue forum I’m sure Sandra said Shane and his father both full support Luke but don’t take an active roll as they have their own life to live. But then others said that was not true, Shane did not support Luke and believed him to be guilty. Some people might think it doesn’t matter but imo it does, Shane was also his alibi. He may not remember what happened that night but if he does not support Luke now then I think that’s a big deal.
What do I expect Sandra Scott or the team to confirm, if true then simply that his brother and father also believe luke is innocent and support the independent review. If they are not involved in the case as they have their own life to live I get that, I would fully understand them wanting to get on with their lives and not go to the protests or get involved in anyway public or otherwise.
But if they don’t support the independent review and do not believe he is innocent I think that’s important for the team to put out there in public before someone else does as I feel it might cause some doubts and people may start to ask what else we were not being told. To ask people to support the case and put in time and effort with petitions, protests, writing to mps etc then it’s important to be open with all the information good and bad. Is it Sandra or Scott’s place to tell us this personal information about Shane and his dad maybe not but some might question if it was their place to publicly name Joseph and his medical records. It’s a thin line and I’m glad I’m not the one walking it.
Anything to do with Shane and his mother any fallout they may or may not have had is their own business.
As for Shane making a statement tomorrow, I can’t say if I’d believe him or not I would need to see and hear it first to make up my mind but it would answer another piece of the case everyone debates, what Shane says he remembers.
You admit yourself that Dr Lean has answered your question, has discussed Shane. She told you that Shane and his father supported Luke but didn’t want to take an active roll in the campaign to free him. What else can she say? Is she supposed to address the claims of anonymous posters who claim the opposite? How? What could Dr Lean possibly say that would convince you that the information that she has already made public is true?
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You admit yourself that Dr Lean has answered your question, has discussed Shane. She told you that Shane and his father supported Luke but didn’t want to take an active roll in the campaign to free him. What else can she say? Is she supposed to address the claims of anonymous posters who claim the opposite? How? What could Dr Lean possibly say that would convince you that the information that she has already made public is true?
This was a few years ago on a forum, before the murder in a small town doc and all the publicity. It was challenged that they supported him and from what I remember it was not fully addressed. Basically I was left unsure what was true, I think it was made clear the dad fully supported Luke but was a bit foggy on Shane, I’d need to check the forum it was a while ago. But since the documentary any time Shane has been mentioned or questions about him the response seems to be they won’t discuss him. If they have confirmed since the documentary that Shane and the dad believe Luke to be innocent and support the review I must have missed that, apologies if I have, but that would convince me as I’m sure Shane would not be happy if that was not true due to the publicity the case has now gained.
For the record if they do not support Luke now it would not change my opinion on an independent review, I would still like to see this going ahead.
Other posters had said there was other stuff Sandra would not discuss but this is the only thing I have noticed myself of questions not being answered, I was curious as to what other questions people are saying Sandra does not answer because I had not noticed anything else they will not discuss other than things for legal reasons.
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This was a few years ago on a forum, before the murder in a small town doc and all the publicity. It was challenged that they supported him and from what I remember it was not fully addressed. Basically I was left unsure what was true, I think it was made clear the dad fully supported Luke but was a bit foggy on Shane, I’d need to check the forum it was a while ago. But since the documentary any time Shane has been mentioned or questions about him the response seems to be they won’t discuss him. If they have confirmed since the documentary that Shane and the dad believe Luke to be innocent and support the review I must have missed that, apologies if I have, but that would convince me as I’m sure Shane would not be happy if that was not true due to the publicity the case has now gained.
For the record if they do not support Luke now it would not change my opinion on an independent review, I would still like to see this going ahead.
Other posters had said there was other stuff Sandra would not discuss but this is the only thing I have noticed myself of questions not being answered, I was curious as to what other questions people are saying Sandra does not answer because I had not noticed anything else they will not discuss other than things for legal reasons.
There is now so much information surrounding this case and so many vested interests it is often hard to sort out the wheat from the chaff. I myself always attempt to find at least two credible sources for a claim but as you know often that isn’t possible.
I myself have always found Dr Lean very approachable and willing to engage, especially on other forums. Of course those who think Luke guilty will never believe the answers she gives to the questions they ask but that doesn’t make the answers any less true. Of course Dr Lean makes mistakes and of course she will, at times, try to put a positive spin on the unhelpful actions of some of the main protagonists but that doesn’t suggest dishonesty rather damage limitation. It would be interesting to see the now retired DCI Dobbie engage with the public about the case in the same way as Dr Lean. From reports of the trial it is obvious that he was, at times, rather economical with the truth.
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There is now so much information surrounding this case and so many vested interests it is often hard to sort out the wheat from the chaff. I myself always attempt to find at least two credible sources for a claim but as you know often that isn’t possible.
I myself have always found Dr Lean very approachable and willing to engage, especially on other forums. Of course those who think Luke guilty will never believe the answers she gives to the questions they ask but that doesn’t make the answers any less true. Of course Dr Lean makes mistakes and of course she will, at times, try to put a positive spin on the unhelpful actions of some of the main protagonists but that doesn’t suggest dishonesty rather damage limitation. It would be interesting to see the now retired DCI Dobbie engage with the public about the case in the same way as Dr Lean. From reports of the trial it is obvious that he was, at times, rather economical with the truth.
I have also put many questions to Sandra over the years, she always took the time to answer the questions I had which I fully appreciate. Some people refer to her as a liar and not to be trusted but I’ve not seen anything to justify this. That doesn’t mean I believe everything she has said like some people on hear like to suggest, but she is imo certainly more credible than a lot of others.
I’ve never understood why, if Luke is so clearly guilty, do people need to make up stuff to convince others who are unsure of his guilt. If the evidence is so strong why can it not stand on its own?
So many things have been muddied over time it’s hard sifting through it all. That’s why it needs someone from the guilty camp to agree to be part of one of these interviews or documentaries to highlight any mistakes or misleading information they feel there is. I don’t see anyone stepping up to do this anytime soon which really I can’t blame them for and at the end of the day why should they, but on the same note why then bother coming here and other places to discredit Sandra, Scott and Luke so relentlessly. It reminds me of those flat earthers who have a lot to say until challenged by a scientist to a debate. I understand people may not want to be in the public for safety reasons but maybe it could be arranged for the person to remain anonymous to the public. Of course the person doing the interview would know their identity. Just a thought.
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I’ve never understood why, if Luke is so clearly innocent, do people need to make up stuff to convince others who are unsure of his innocence. If the evidence is so strong why can it not stand on its own?
Fixed that for you
but on the same note why then bother coming here and other places to discredit Sandra, Scott and Luke so relentlessly.
Maybe it has something to do with blaming innocent people of murder.
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While, imo, the circumstantial evidence used against LM at the original trial was overwhelming and leaves me totally convinced of his guilt, I'd still like to watch the aforementioned trial in its entirety in HD. That would be extremely interesting and would, I'm sure, remove any doubts people may have about this case or LM's guilt or innocence.
As for SM's testimony, well, I've already addressed this. He made it quite clear under oath that his wee brother wasn't in the house between 1650 and 1715. SM admitted (under oath) he'd been looking at porn in his bedroom and was masturbating between 1650 and 1715; said he would never have done this if anyone else had been in the house at that time and said he couldn't hear music coming from Luke's bedroom or the dining room (implying that LM playing music was a regular occurrence at this time of day in the family household). It wasn't, I don't think, discussed in court if SM had physically checked LM's bedroom or the whole house to see if his wee brother was there (though I think I read SM, upon arrival home, shouted out "Hello?"and got no answer). Asked directly by AD Turnbull if he'd seen Luke when he went downstairs after looking at the aforementioned porn images, SM replied: "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there."
How can anyone, after reading the above, infer that Luke Mitchell was in his family house that day between 1650 and 1715? It's obvious he wasn't in the house and Shane was admitting as much without actually categorically saying he wasn't there. Shane was never ever going to come right out and say his brother wasn't in the house, because blood is thicker than water and Shane probably could never bring himself to fully drop his wee brother in the shit like that; besides, him categorically saying his wee brother wasn't there would've left him and his mother open to perjury charges (had AD Turnbull came right out and asked Shane if he saw his wee brother mashing tatties in the kitchen, I suspect Shane would have said he couldn't remember). The Mitchell house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent was merely a 2-storey property and not some mansion or castle with a labyrinth of rooms and corridors -- it would have been impossible for those 2 boys not to see each other that day had they been in the house at the same time. The fact that neither boy could give a consistent account of each others' whereabouts at that particular time without their mother's input is very telling. I mean, for goodness' sake, you either saw Luke or you didn't -- no in between. Are we really expected to believe that the police would be able to intimidate Shane into making a false confession that his wee brother wasn't there, when he was?!! In such a serious charge of murder? That Shane would let the police bully him? A mechanic, an intelligent strapping lad who was going to batter drug dealer [Name removed]? Yeah, right!
I often wonder if SM started crying in court out of guilt for Jodi -- did him seeing those pics of her dead, mutilated body prompt him to tell the truth? Probably. That, combined with the fact that he probably knew the police had sussed out that Luke had done it and the jury would likely see through it. Fearing going to jail for perjury for trying to cover for a horrendous murder. Stuck between a rock and a hard place -- not wanting to drop his brother in the shit, blood being thicker than water. A horrible dilemma he was in. Overwhelmed, crying. I suspect, in large part, SM's human side shone through and he simply told the truth without fully exposing his wee brother -- "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." About the best he could do or say, given the circumstances. But, at the core, the police and prosecution did a good job of getting SM to tell the truth; it wasn' so much about the police playing unfairly hardball as it was of getting Shane to realise that they knew he was lying as the Mitchells' stories weren't adding up.
Actually, I wonder if LM would've still been found guilty if SM had said under oath that his wee brother was in the house with him between 1650 - 1715. What do you think?
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Christopher Harrisson has just been found guilty of murdering his ex-wife by a majority verdict in a Scottish court. Using Mitchell supporter logic this must therefore mean a likely miscarriage of justice has taken place - I wonder how long before Sandra McLean has a petition for his re-trial?
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According to Dalkeith's leading criminologist, Shane privately supports his brother but doesn't want to state it publicly. Surely that must count for something..
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While, imo, the circumstantial evidence used against LM at the original trial was overwhelming and leaves me totally convinced of his guilt, I'd still like to watch the aforementioned trial in its entirety in HD. That would be extremely interesting and would, I'm sure, remove any doubts people may have about this case or LM's guilt or innocence.
As for SM's testimony, well, I've already addressed this. He made it quite clear under oath that his wee brother wasn't in the house between 1650 and 1715. SM admitted (under oath) he'd been looking at porn in his bedroom and was masturbating between 1650 and 1715; said he would never have done this if anyone else had been in the house at that time and said he couldn't hear music coming from Luke's bedroom or the dining room (implying that LM playing music was a regular occurrence at this time of day in the family household). It wasn't, I don't think, discussed in court if SM had physically checked LM's bedroom or the whole house to see if his wee brother was there (though I think I read SM, upon arrival home, shouted out "Hello?"and got no answer). Asked directly by AD Turnbull if he'd seen Luke when he went downstairs after looking at the aforementioned porn images, SM replied: "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there."
How can anyone, after reading the above, infer that Luke Mitchell was in his family house that day between 1650 and 1715? It's obvious he wasn't in the house and Shane was admitting as much without actually categorically saying he wasn't there. Shane was never ever going to come right out and say his brother wasn't in the house, because blood is thicker than water and Shane probably could never bring himself to fully drop his wee brother in the shit like that; besides, him categorically saying his wee brother wasn't there would've left him and his mother open to perjury charges (had AD Turnbull came right out and asked Shane if he saw his wee brother mashing tatties in the kitchen, I suspect Shane would have said he couldn't remember). The Mitchell house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent was merely a 2-storey property and not some mansion or castle with a labyrinth of rooms and corridors -- it would have been impossible for those 2 boys not to see each other that day had they been in the house at the same time. The fact that neither boy could give a consistent account of each others' whereabouts at that particular time without their mother's input is very telling. I mean, for goodness' sake, you either saw Luke or you didn't -- no in between. Are we really expected to believe that the police would be able to intimidate Shane into making a false confession that his wee brother wasn't there, when he was?!! In such a serious charge of murder? That Shane would let the police bully him? A mechanic, an intelligent strapping lad who was going to batter drug dealer [Name removed]? Yeah, right!
I often wonder if SM started crying in court out of guilt for Jodi -- did him seeing those pics of her dead, mutilated body prompt him to tell the truth? Probably. That, combined with the fact that he probably knew the police had sussed out that Luke had done it and the jury would likely see through it. Fearing going to jail for perjury for trying to cover for a horrendous murder. Stuck between a rock and a hard place -- not wanting to drop his brother in the shit, blood being thicker than water. A horrible dilemma he was in. Overwhelmed, crying. I suspect, in large part, SM's human side shone through and he simply told the truth without fully exposing his wee brother -- "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." About the best he could do or say, given the circumstances. But, at the core, the police and prosecution did a good job of getting SM to tell the truth; it wasn' so much about the police playing unfairly hardball as it was of getting Shane to realise that they knew he was lying as the Mitchells' stories weren't adding up.
Actually, I wonder if LM would've still been found guilty if SM had said under oath that his wee brother was in the house with him between 1650 - 1715. What do you think?
Logic tells us then that as Shane had forgotten that he had arrived home later than usual on the day of Jodi’s murder and had also forgotten that he fixed his friend’s car that those things didn’t happen. Is that what you’re saying?
It is interesting that Shane is treated as a liar when he appears to agree with the defence but a witness of truth when he doesn’t.
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Logic tells us then that as Shane had forgotten that he had arrived home later than usual on the day of Jodi’s murder and had also forgotten that he fixed his friend’s car that those things didn’t happen. Is that what you’re saying?
It is interesting that Shane is treated as a liar when he appears to agree with the defence but a witness of truth when he doesn’t.
Part of SM's testimony in court in January '05 was admitting he had spoken to Luke on the family landline from his mobile phone just after 1600 hrs on 30.06.03 (SM had phoned the landline, presumably to let LM know he would be later home than normal as he was going to fix his friend's car? It would be useful if the contents of this phone call were known, but they aren't and are not in the public domain -- I don't even think they were discussed at the trial). Are we expected to believe that, between 30.06.03 and 03.07.03 (03.07.03 was when SM supposedly gave his first statement, though I find this hard to believe), SM had forgotten fixing his friend's car on 30.06.03 and getting home at 1640 hrs on 30.06.03? Red flags right away -- SM was lying, was he not? Lying, imo, because he was involved in trying to help cover up this murder or that, if he didn't know at this point that his wee brother was responsible, he strongly suspected LM was, and went about trying to protect him (blood being thicker than water, and all that). Of course, there is also the possibility that such sudden forgetfulness was induced by trauma; being caught up in the biggest crime of them all, directly or indirectly, will inevitably take its toll sooner or later.
Interesting, too, that he changed his statement given on 03.07.03 to align exactly with his mother's version of events, 4 days later (ie, seeing LM in the kitchen at 1720 on 30.06.03 'mashing tatties'). But on 14.04.04, when they were all arrested, he reverted to "I can't remember if Luke was in the house" or "I don't know". To then finally conceding, under oath, "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." Such a mess. Very telling. LM very much guilty, imo.
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While, imo, the circumstantial evidence used against LM at the original trial was overwhelming and leaves me totally convinced of his guilt, I'd still like to watch the aforementioned trial in its entirety in HD. That would be extremely interesting and would, I'm sure, remove any doubts people may have about this case or LM's guilt or innocence.
As for SM's testimony, well, I've already addressed this. He made it quite clear under oath that his wee brother wasn't in the house between 1650 and 1715. SM admitted (under oath) he'd been looking at porn in his bedroom and was masturbating between 1650 and 1715; said he would never have done this if anyone else had been in the house at that time and said he couldn't hear music coming from Luke's bedroom or the dining room (implying that LM playing music was a regular occurrence at this time of day in the family household). It wasn't, I don't think, discussed in court if SM had physically checked LM's bedroom or the whole house to see if his wee brother was there (though I think I read SM, upon arrival home, shouted out "Hello?"and got no answer). Asked directly by AD Turnbull if he'd seen Luke when he went downstairs after looking at the aforementioned porn images, SM replied: "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there."
How can anyone, after reading the above, infer that Luke Mitchell was in his family house that day between 1650 and 1715? It's obvious he wasn't in the house and Shane was admitting as much without actually categorically saying he wasn't there. Shane was never ever going to come right out and say his brother wasn't in the house, because blood is thicker than water and Shane probably could never bring himself to fully drop his wee brother in the shit like that; besides, him categorically saying his wee brother wasn't there would've left him and his mother open to perjury charges (had AD Turnbull came right out and asked Shane if he saw his wee brother mashing tatties in the kitchen, I suspect Shane would have said he couldn't remember). The Mitchell house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent was merely a 2-storey property and not some mansion or castle with a labyrinth of rooms and corridors -- it would have been impossible for those 2 boys not to see each other that day had they been in the house at the same time. The fact that neither boy could give a consistent account of each others' whereabouts at that particular time without their mother's input is very telling. I mean, for goodness' sake, you either saw Luke or you didn't -- no in between. Are we really expected to believe that the police would be able to intimidate Shane into making a false confession that his wee brother wasn't there, when he was?!! In such a serious charge of murder? That Shane would let the police bully him? A mechanic, an intelligent strapping lad who was going to batter drug dealer [Name removed]? Yeah, right!
I often wonder if SM started crying in court out of guilt for Jodi -- did him seeing those pics of her dead, mutilated body prompt him to tell the truth? Probably. That, combined with the fact that he probably knew the police had sussed out that Luke had done it and the jury would likely see through it. Fearing going to jail for perjury for trying to cover for a horrendous murder. Stuck between a rock and a hard place -- not wanting to drop his brother in the shit, blood being thicker than water. A horrible dilemma he was in. Overwhelmed, crying. I suspect, in large part, SM's human side shone through and he simply told the truth without fully exposing his wee brother -- "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." About the best he could do or say, given the circumstances. But, at the core, the police and prosecution did a good job of getting SM to tell the truth; it wasn' so much about the police playing unfairly hardball as it was of getting Shane to realise that they knew he was lying as the Mitchells' stories weren't adding up.
Actually, I wonder if LM would've still been found guilty if SM had said under oath that his wee brother was in the house with him between 1650 - 1715. What do you think?
I omitted an important point from this post. In court, AD Turnbull asked SM who he thought was in the house when he was looking at online pornography in his bedroom and masturbating. SM replied, verbatim: "No one at the time." He then went on to say that he could not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room (meaning that LM playing music was a common occurrence/the norm in the family home when Luke got in from school, and that, uncharacteristically, no music could be heard at that time that day). As I said, when SM arrived home at 1640 hrs after fixing his friend's car, he called out "Hello?" and got no answer. AD Turnbull also said: "We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?" "Yes," came the answer. And, of course, SM confirmed LM wasn't there when he went downstairs after the internet session (as per his "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother" answer when AD Turbull asked him if he saw LM when he went downstairs after his internet session).
So, anyone who is still unsure if LM wasn't in the house between 1645-1715 on 30.06.03 after reading my posts, well, god help you.
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Part of SM's testimony in court in January '05 was admitting he had spoken to Luke on the family landline from his mobile phone just after 1600 hrs on 30.06.03 (SM had phoned the landline, presumably to let LM know he would be later home than normal as he was going to fix his friend's car? It would be useful if the contents of this phone call were known, but they aren't and are not in the public domain -- I don't even think they were discussed at the trial). Are we expected to believe that, between 30.06.03 and 03.07.03 (03.07.03 was when SM supposedly gave his first statement, though I find this hard to believe), SM had forgotten fixing his friend's car on 30.06.03 and getting home at 1640 hrs on 30.06.03? Red flags right away -- SM was lying, was he not? Lying, imo, because he was involved in trying to help cover up this murder or that, if he didn't know at this point that his wee brother was responsible, he strongly suspected LM was, and went about trying to protect him (blood being thicker than water, and all that). Of course, there is also the possibility that such sudden forgetfulness was induced by trauma; being caught up in the biggest crime of them all, directly or indirectly, will inevitably take its toll sooner or later.
Interesting, too, that he changed his statement given on 03.07.03 to align exactly with his mother's version of events, 4 days later (ie, seeing LM in the kitchen at 1720 on 30.06.03 'mashing tatties'). But on 14.04.04, when they were all arrested, he reverted to "I can't remember if Luke was in the house" or "I don't know". To then finally conceding, under oath, "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day. He could have been there." Such a mess. Very telling. LM very much guilty, imo.
What was Shane lying about in his first statement? Getting home at his usual time or not remembering seeing his brother and how does either ‘lie’ help Luke?
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What was Shane lying about in his first statement? Getting home at his usual time or not remembering seeing his brother and how does either ‘lie’ help Luke?
Of course he was lying when he said he got home at his usual time of 1540 hrs on 30.06.03. He mentioned during his testimony that he had phoned his brother from his own mobile phone just after 1600 hrs on 30.06.03 from and spoke to him on the family landline. Are we expected to believe that, on 03.07.03, SM had completely forgotten about this phone call and thought he arrived home at 1540 hrs? Ridiculous! Just as ridiculous is being asked to believe that Shane was first questioned about his whereabouts on the day of the murder on 03.07.03?? Isn't it more likely he was asked about his whereabouts on the day of the murder on 01.07.03? I read he did, in fact, give an account of his whereabouts on 30.06.03 on 01.07.03, and that he maintained he got home at 1540 hrs. Alarm bells. He was lying, imo. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that he would forget in such a short space of time -- unless he was lying. He knew exactly when he arrived home and, when he did get home, was under the impression that he was home alone.
"How does either lie 'help' Luke?" is the wrong question. It would be more appropriate to ask: why did SM keep changing his story regarding he and his brother's whereabouts at certain times of the day on 30.06.03 and give vague and ambiguous answers regarding his brother's whereabouts between 1645 - 1715 on 30.06.03?
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Helen Quinn I once spoke with an officer who had left the job after this case. He told me the "ordinary cops" were shaking their heads in disbelief - according to him, it seemed to them that CID had "lost their minds."
I've explained before, it's actually quite understandable why the first 2 officers on the scene were suspicious of Luke- they believed he'd left at tea time with Jodi, from her house, and now he was saying he hadn't seen her all night; they believed he'd been coming up the path, in the dark, on his bike, and they believed he was the only one out looking for and finding Jodi.
So I guess it must have seemed strange - why would he get off his bike, in the dark, and climb over a wall? Why would he say he hadn't seen her, if he left with her from her own house at tea time? How come he knew where to look? But, of course, we know now, that none of the above was actually true - Luke didn't leave with Jodi at tea-time (don't forget AO's words - "they've just left"), he wasn't on his bike, he wasn't the only one out looking and he certainly wasn't the only person there when Jodi was found.
It's from that point, I believe, that the ordinary officers thought CID "lost their minds" - and from what we now know, I think that's pretty accurate!
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Of course he was lying when he said he got home at his usual time of 1540 hrs on 30.06.03. He mentioned during his testimony that he had phoned his brother from his own mobile phone just after 1600 hrs on 30.06.03 from and spoke to him on the family landline. Are we expected to believe that, on 03.07.03, SM had completely forgotten about this phone call and thought he arrived home at 1540 hrs? Ridiculous! Just as ridiculous is being asked to believe that Shane was first questioned about his whereabouts on the day of the murder on 03.07.03?? Isn't it more likely he was asked about his whereabouts on the day of the murder on 01.07.03? I read he did, in fact, give an account of his whereabouts on 30.06.03 on 01.07.03, and that he maintained he got home at 1540 hrs. Alarm bells. He was lying, imo. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that he would forget in such a short space of time -- unless he was lying. He knew exactly when he arrived home and, when he did get home, was under the impression that he was home alone.
"How does either lie 'help' Luke?" is the wrong question. It would be more appropriate to ask: why did SM keep changing his story regarding he and his brother's whereabouts at certain times of the day on 30.06.03 and give vague and ambiguous answers regarding his brother's whereabouts between 1645 - 1715 on 30.06.03?
‘I read’….doesn’t that always ring alarm bells when you post it? You do believe any old rubbish after all.
How would Luke benefit from Shane claiming he got home earlier than he did? If a story had been agreed between the Mitchells surely by the 3rd of July they would all be saying the same thing? If an alibi was being set up why didn’t Shane say categorically that he’d seen Luke at home when he returned home on the 3rd? Your logic really makes no sense.
It is interesting that if Shane had got home at 15.40, as he usually did, Luke wouldn’t have been home from school. This is, of course, what Shane said in his first statement. This did not help Luke in the slightest.
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Sandra Lean
Helen Quinn I once spoke with an officer who had left the job after this case. He told me the "ordinary cops" were shaking their heads in disbelief - according to him, it seemed to them that CID had "lost their minds."
I've explained before, it's actually quite understandable why the first 2 officers on the scene were suspicious of Luke- they believed he'd left at tea time with Jodi, from her house, and now he was saying he hadn't seen her all night; they believed he'd been coming up the path, in the dark, on his bike, and they believed he was the only one out looking for and finding Jodi.
So I guess it must have seemed strange - why would he get off his bike, in the dark, and climb over a wall? Why would he say he hadn't seen her, if he left with her from her own house at tea time? How come he knew where to look? But, of course, we know now, that none of the above was actually true - Luke didn't leave with Jodi at tea-time (don't forget AO's words - "they've just left"), he wasn't on his bike, he wasn't the only one out looking and he certainly wasn't the only person there when Jodi was found.
It's from that point, I believe, that the ordinary officers thought CID "lost their minds" - and from what we now know, I think that's pretty accurate!
When and where did these ‘first 2 officers on the scene’ say they ‘believed’ killer Luke Mitchell had ‘been coming up the path, in the dark, on his bike’ and how did Sandra Lean come to the conclusion that these two officers ‘believed he was the only one out looking for and finding Jodi’
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Sandra Lean
Helen Quinn I once spoke with an officer who had left the job after this case. He told me the "ordinary cops" were shaking their heads in disbelief - according to him, it seemed to them that CID had "lost their minds."
I've explained before, it's actually quite understandable why the first 2 officers on the scene were suspicious of Luke- they believed he'd left at tea time with Jodi, from her house, and now he was saying he hadn't seen her all night; they believed he'd been coming up the path, in the dark, on his bike, and they believed he was the only one out looking for and finding Jodi.
So I guess it must have seemed strange - why would he get off his bike, in the dark, and climb over a wall? Why would he say he hadn't seen her, if he left with her from her own house at tea time? How come he knew where to look? But, of course, we know now, that none of the above was actually true - Luke didn't leave with Jodi at tea-time (don't forget AO's words - "they've just left"), he wasn't on his bike, he wasn't the only one out looking and he certainly wasn't the only person there when Jodi was found.
It's from that point, I believe, that the ordinary officers thought CID "lost their minds" - and from what we now know, I think that's pretty accurate!
According to killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell’s evidence it appears he was - or at least attempting to give the impression he was
Why did Corinne Mitchell say to James English in 2019 about the police “Why didn’t they check my place”
Corinne Mitchell to James English (At around 58:00’
Why didn’t they check my place
And why did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police on the 1st July 2003 it was his mother’s suggestion that he go out looking for Jodi Jones?
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Sandra Lean
Helen Quinn I once spoke with an officer who had left the job after this case. He told me the "ordinary cops" were shaking their heads in disbelief - according to him, it seemed to them that CID had "lost their minds."
I've explained before, it's actually quite understandable why the first 2 officers on the scene were suspicious of Luke- they believed he'd left at tea time with Jodi, from her house, and now he was saying he hadn't seen her all night; they believed he'd been coming up the path, in the dark, on his bike, and they believed he was the only one out looking for and finding Jodi.
So I guess it must have seemed strange - why would he get off his bike, in the dark, and climb over a wall? Why would he say he hadn't seen her, if he left with her from her own house at tea time? How come he knew where to look? But, of course, we know now, that none of the above was actually true - Luke didn't leave with Jodi at tea-time (don't forget AO's words - "they've just left"), he wasn't on his bike, he wasn't the only one out looking and he certainly wasn't the only person there when Jodi was found.
It's from that point, I believe, that the ordinary officers thought CID "lost their minds" - and from what we now know, I think that's pretty accurate!
In reality Sandra Lean has no idea if killer Luke Mitchell went to meet Jodi Jones on his other bike
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Donna Smith
If the moped boys admitted to being at the V at 5.15pm and the supposed killing of Jodi 5pm - why was there no more investigation into that. The moped boys must have saw something 🙄🙄 so many questions...
Sandra Lean
Donna Smith - the actual claimed time of death was 5.15pm - the EXACT time the moped was propped against the V and those two were nowhere to be seen.When you look at how this all developed, though, it becomes less surprising that there was no further investigation.
Firstly, they took 5 days to come forward, waiting until after the first raid on Luke's house in a blaze of publicity. That weekend (5th and 6th July), they lied about the time they were on the path - the police took them at face value and off they popped.
6 - 7 weeks later (and, conveniently after the second raid on Luke's house, with even more publicity), the police realised they had statements in their possession proving that the moped pair lied. Information they'd had from the very beginning. Uh-oh!!! What to do? They've spent the last almost 2 months convincing the public that Luke was Jodi's killer, failing to follow up on any other potential suspects, losing or contaminating evidence etc, etc. Best get those moped guys back in and try to clear this up.
Then it takes a dramatic turn - one of them tells the cops his gran (who is also Jodi's gran) told them not to go to the police in those first 5 days. They said the reason they gave the wrong time was because a clock in GD's house was wrong. The police also had evidence that THAT was a lie, too. Sh*t - that wasn't supposed to happen. What to do? What to do? OK - a plan! Don't follow up on any of this and hope nobody notices.
For the next 18 months, nobody noticed. Keeping the public focus on Luke seemed to have worked!!! Until they took the stand and DF asked them where they were and what they were doing when their moped was parked at the V. They didn't know, they couldn't remember. He asked them, did you kill Jodi Jones? of course, they said no, and the jury, like the police before them, accepted that at face value.
So, they didn't come forward for 5 days, then they LIED about the time they were on the path. They LIED about the clock being at the wrong time. What's that phrase? Oh, yes, 3 strikes and you're out. If they were caught in one more LIE, a big, fat whopper of a LIE now, almost 20 years later, what difference would that make to the case against Luke, do we think? Tick tock!!!!
Marie Milne
Sandra Lean This just beggars belief
An utterly pathetic investigation
I’m saying “investigation” but there really was very little investigation at all
Sandra Lean
Marie Milne Yup - the investigating, for almost 20 years, has been left to us. Thankfully, they weren't nearly as clever as they thought they were - they left trails for us to follow and it looks like we may be coming quite close to the end of some of those trails now.
Too late for Luke and his family, but it's never, ever too late for justice.
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Donna Smith
If the moped boys admitted to being at the V at 5.15pm and the supposed killing of Jodi 5pm - why was there no more investigation into that. The moped boys must have saw something 🙄🙄 so many questions...
Sandra Lean
Donna Smith - the actual claimed time of death was 5.15pm - the EXACT time the moped was propped against the V and those two were nowhere to be seen.When you look at how this all developed, though, it becomes less surprising that there was no further investigation.
Firstly, they took 5 days to come forward, waiting until after the first raid on Luke's house in a blaze of publicity. That weekend (5th and 6th July), they lied about the time they were on the path - the police took them at face value and off they popped.
6 - 7 weeks later (and, conveniently after the second raid on Luke's house, with even more publicity), the police realised they had statements in their possession proving that the moped pair lied. Information they'd had from the very beginning. Uh-oh!!! What to do? They've spent the last almost 2 months convincing the public that Luke was Jodi's killer, failing to follow up on any other potential suspects, losing or contaminating evidence etc, etc. Best get those moped guys back in and try to clear this up.
Then it takes a dramatic turn - one of them tells the cops his gran (who is also Jodi's gran) told them not to go to the police in those first 5 days. They said the reason they gave the wrong time was because a clock in GD's house was wrong. The police also had evidence that THAT was a lie, too. Sh*t - that wasn't supposed to happen. What to do? What to do? OK - a plan! Don't follow up on any of this and hope nobody notices.
For the next 18 months, nobody noticed. Keeping the public focus on Luke seemed to have worked!!! Until they took the stand and DF asked them where they were and what they were doing when their moped was parked at the V. They didn't know, they couldn't remember. He asked them, did you kill Jodi Jones? of course, they said no, and the jury, like the police before them, accepted that at face value.
So, they didn't come forward for 5 days, then they LIED about the time they were on the path. They LIED about the clock being at the wrong time. What's that phrase? Oh, yes, 3 strikes and you're out. If they were caught in one more LIE, a big, fat whopper of a LIE now, almost 20 years later, what difference would that make to the case against Luke, do we think? Tick tock!!!!
Marie Milne
Sandra Lean This just beggars belief
An utterly pathetic investigation
I’m saying “investigation” but there really was very little investigation at all
Sandra Lean
Marie Milne Yup - the investigating, for almost 20 years, has been left to us. Thankfully, they weren't nearly as clever as they thought they were - they left trails for us to follow and it looks like we may be coming quite close to the end of some of those trails now.
Too late for Luke and his family, but it's never, ever too late for justice.
Why does Sandra Lean choose to continue to gaslight people into wrongly thinking the moped was propped against the V of the wall at 5:15pm when it wasn’t
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Why does Sandra Lean choose to continue to gaslight people into wrongly thinking the moped was propped against the V of the wall at 5:15pm when it wasn’t
Not a shred of evidence has ever been provided, to back up this claim.
Over the years when lean was challenged on this claim.
She has used.
Unnamed witness seen moped from the Beeches > Debunked.
Tool hire workers said they saw it > Debunked.
By the boy's own admission > Debunked.
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Not a shred of evidence has ever been provided, to back up this claim.
By the boy's own admission > Debunked.
From the Scotsman:
“The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences".
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Some of Sandra Lean and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s core supporters are also ‘making a murderer’ supporters
There’s a series on this innocence fraud coming out soon
’According to Rech, although the new series was supposed to air a couple of years ago, he is optimistic it will air early summer 2023. Rech said television networks are currently in the process of actively biding on the 10-episode season. Each of the episodes is about one-hour long, he added.
Rech says that the new series — being called “a Season of Truth” — tells a more complete story and tells the truth about Wisconsin law enforcement. Unlike the original “Making a Murderer” series, the new series “Convicting a Murderer” shows the forest through the trees.
“We don’t tell people what to think. We tell the complete story. Law enforcement was falsely portrayed dishonestly in ‘Making a Murderer.’ You’re going to hear law enforcement respond directly to the false accusations made in ‘Making a Murderer,’” Rech added.
https://wislawjournal.com/2023/02/23/making-a-murderer-rebuttal-to-air-early-summer-in-new-series-called-convicting-a-murderer-a-season-of-truth/
Shawn Rech also produced ‘A Murder in the park’ https://youtu.be/jMa6cxG2yDk about the innocence fraud of the killer, and his enablers, of Marilyn Green and Jerry Hillard
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Some of Sandra Lean and psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s core supporters are also ‘making a murderer’ supporters
There’s a series on this innocence fraud coming out soon
’According to Rech, although the new series was supposed to air a couple of years ago, he is optimistic it will air early summer 2023. Rech said television networks are currently in the process of actively biding on the 10-episode season. Each of the episodes is about one-hour long, he added.
Rech says that the new series — being called “a Season of Truth” — tells a more complete story and tells the truth about Wisconsin law enforcement. Unlike the original “Making a Murderer” series, the new series “Convicting a Murderer” shows the forest through the trees.
“We don’t tell people what to think. We tell the complete story. Law enforcement was falsely portrayed dishonestly in ‘Making a Murderer.’ You’re going to hear law enforcement respond directly to the false accusations made in ‘Making a Murderer,’” Rech added.
https://wislawjournal.com/2023/02/23/making-a-murderer-rebuttal-to-air-early-summer-in-new-series-called-convicting-a-murderer-a-season-of-truth/
Shawn Rech also produced ‘A Murder in the park’ https://youtu.be/jMa6cxG2yDk about the innocence fraud of the killer, and his enablers, of Marilyn Green and Jerry Hillard
So what conviction do you think that Wisconsin law enforcement got right….the rape Steven Avery served 18 years for before DNA proved him innocent or the one featured in Making a Murderer where Avery and his nephew were alleged to have slashed and stabbed a young woman repeatedly on a mattress that had absolutely no DNA of the victim on it?
The parallels to Luke’s case are astonishing at times.
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From the Scotsman:
“The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences".
The witness was baited by Donald Findlay into agreeing with him
And the media didn’t report the entire transcript of Donald Findlay’s cross examination of Gordon D ickie and John F erris
What was their evidence during the trial to Alan Turnbull
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So what conviction do you think that Wisconsin law enforcement got right….the rape Steven Avery served 18 years for before DNA proved him innocent or the one featured in Making a Murderer where Avery and his nephew were alleged to have slashed and stabbed a young woman repeatedly on a mattress that had absolutely no DNA of the victim on it?
I’m of the opinion Wisconsin law enforcement got both right
Psycho killer and rapist Steven Avery has never been ruled out of the 1995 crime
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LIVE Roberta Glass on one of the triple child killers and psychopathic murderers of Stevie Branch, Michael Moore and Christopher Byers
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https://www.youtube.com/live/5OjELsISeyY?feature=share
Similarities with the Midlothian psycho killer LM
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https://youtu.be/XGzKwUlZsMo
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The witness was baited by Donald Findlay into agreeing with him
And the media didn’t report the entire transcript of Donald Findlay’s cross examination of Gordon D ickie and John F erris
What was their evidence during the trial to Alan Turnbull
Joh [Name removed] told the truth, under oath.
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I’m of the opinion Wisconsin law enforcement got both right
Psycho killer and rapist Steven Avery has never been ruled out of the 1995 crime
The rape was in 1985 and the DNA found on the victim was linked to another man who was already serving 60 years for another sexual assault which occurred in the same vicinity after the rape Avery was convicted of.
Therefore Avery certainly has been ruled out of the 1985 crime.
Best stick to stalking Facebook groups and asking spurious questions I think. You really aren’t much of a researcher.
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The rape was in 1985 and the DNA found on the victim was linked to another man who was already serving 60 years for another sexual assault which occurred in the same vicinity after the rape Avery was convicted of.
Therefore Avery certainly has been ruled out of the 1985 crime.
Best stick to stalking Facebook groups and asking spurious questions I think. You really aren’t much of a researcher.
Like you I was convinced that Stephen Avery was a miscarriage of justice but I also recognise how persuasive one-sided documentaries can be which is why I am looking forward to the new series. I am open minded about it. If you’re interested in challeneging your own beliefs about this case you could start by reading the post on here by Scipio_USMC
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6945.15
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The rape was in 1985 and the DNA found on the victim was linked to another man
Therefore Avery certainly has been ruled out of the 1985 crime.
You are correct
Penny Beernsten was brutally beaten and raped in 1985
1995 was the year the dna from nail scrapings was said to belong to a then unknown individual
Sadistic psycho rapist and murderer Steven Avery has not been ruled out of the 1985 crime
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You are correct
Penny Beernsten was brutally beaten and raped in 1985
1995 was the year the dna from nail scrapings was said to belong to a then unknown individual
Sadistic psycho rapist and murderer Steven Avery has not been ruled out of the 1985 crime
Don’t be silly now.
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‘I read’….doesn’t that always ring alarm bells when you post it? You do believe any old rubbish after all.
How would Luke benefit from Shane claiming he got home earlier than he did? If a story had been agreed between the Mitchells surely by the 3rd of July they would all be saying the same thing? If an alibi was being set up why didn’t Shane say categorically that he’d seen Luke at home when he returned home on the 3rd? Your logic really makes no sense.
It is interesting that if Shane had got home at 15.40, as he usually did, Luke wouldn’t have been home from school. This is, of course, what Shane said in his first statement. This did not help Luke in the slightest.
Firstly, do you think the police waited 3 days until they asked SM for his first statement? That they would wait 3 days before asking SM where his wee brother was between school finishing time and 1730 on 30.06.03? Bearing in mind that this was an investigation into the savage, brutal murder of a 14-year-old child -- a child who was courting SM's wee brother, and this same wee brother was the one person this savagely murdered child specifically set off to meet on the afternoon of 30.06.03?
As regards the alibi, what would've benefitted LM, and getting stories to match from the off, or stories not matching from the off, etc? We could theorise and speculate about this all day and not get anywhere; it would be futile as there are so many variables involved as to why stories may or may not add up from the outset (trauma, genuine memory loss and lies, for example; and there are people who think that stories that match from the off is a surefire sign of lies and deceit, and, likewise, there are those who think that stories that don't match from the beginning is indicative of dishonesty; such a minefield ). I revert back to my earlier points of SM saying, on 03.07.03, that he could not remember if he saw LM or not when he got in from work on 30.06.03 and that he got in at 1540 hrs. So, SM committed to neither seeing nor not seeing his brother, which, imo, is a cop-out and an ambiguous way of saying LM wasn't there. Besides, SM told the High Court that he phoned LM at the family landline from his mobile at approximately 1605 hrs and spoke to him for about 2 mins; are we really expected to believe that he forgot about this phone call within a few days? And f forgot about fixing his friend's car? No way-- he was lying. And I suspect he was told to lie by CM until they all thought of a story they could stick to (and that eventually came -- from CM on 06.07.03 -- in the form of "LM mashing tatties in the kitchen"). As I said in a previous post, it would've been impossible for these two brothers not to see or hear each other in that house in Newbattle Abbey Crescent that day, as it was merely a two-storey, detached property. The fact that SM made such a big fuss of wether or not he saw LM that day speaks volumes; he was lying. You either saw him or you didn't. No in between (such as not remembering either way if LM was there or wasn't there). How does that even work??! A cop-out of an answer, imo. SM was lying. And, as highlighted in my previous 2 posts on this thread, SM finally admitted under oath that he didn't see his brother in the house that day between 1530 - 1730. From not being sure on 03.07.03, to saying he saw him, as per his statement on 07.07.03 (which aligned exactly with CM's statement on 06.07.03, as she instructed him to amend his original statement given on 03.07.03 to match hers -- funny that, eh?), to then renegue on all of this on 14.04.04 and revert back to saying "he couldn't remember if his brother was in the house", to then finally, in January 2005, when under oath, admit verbatim: "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day." Such a mess. SM, as I've shown, lied throughout the entire investigation, eventually telling the truth at court.
Btw, I suspect the reason SM & CM didn't face perjury charges was because the Crown took pity on them and felt that they had both suffered enough because of the stress of investigation and trial, and, above all, the fact LM was convicted of murder.
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Firstly, do you think the police waited 3 days until they asked SM for his first statement? That they would wait 3 days before asking SM where his wee brother was between school finishing time and 1730 on 30.06.03? Bearing in mind that this was an investigation into the savage, brutal murder of a 14-year-old child -- a child who was courting SM's wee brother, and this same wee brother was the one person this savagely murdered child specifically set off to meet on the afternoon of 30.06.03?
As regards the alibi, what would've benefitted LM, and getting stories to match from the off, or stories not matching from the off, etc? We could theorise and speculate about this all day and not get anywhere; it would be futile as there are so many variables involved as to why stories may or may not add up from the outset (trauma, genuine memory loss and lies, for example; and there are people who think that stories that match from the off is a surefire sign of lies and deceit, and, likewise, there are those who think that stories that don't match from the beginning is indicative of dishonesty; such a minefield ). I revert back to my earlier points of SM saying, on 03.07.03, that he could not remember if he saw LM or not when he got in from work on 30.06.03 and that he got in at 1540 hrs. So, SM committed to neither seeing nor not seeing his brother, which, imo, is a cop-out and an ambiguous way of saying LM wasn't there. Besides, SM told the High Court that he phoned LM at the family landline from his mobile at approximately 1605 hrs and spoke to him for about 2 mins; are we really expected to believe that he forgot about this phone call within a few days? And f forgot about fixing his friend's car? No way-- he was lying. And I suspect he was told to lie by CM until they all thought of a story they could stick to (and that eventually came -- from CM on 06.07.03 -- in the form of "LM mashing tatties in the kitchen"). As I said in a previous post, it would've been impossible for these two brothers not to see or hear each other in that house in Newbattle Abbey Crescent that day, as it was merely a two-storey, detached property. The fact that SM made such a big fuss of wether or not he saw LM that day speaks volumes; he was lying. You either saw him or you didn't. No in between (such as not remembering either way if LM was there or wasn't there). How does that even work??! A cop-out of an answer, imo. SM was lying. And, as highlighted in my previous 2 posts on this thread, SM finally admitted under oath that he didn't see his brother in the house that day between 1530 - 1730. From not being sure on 03.07.03, to saying he saw him, as per his statement on 07.07.03 (which aligned exactly with CM's statement on 06.07.03, as she instructed him to amend his original statement given on 03.07.03 to match hers -- funny that, eh?), to then renegue on all of this on 14.04.04 and revert back to saying "he couldn't remember if his brother was in the house", to then finally, in January 2005, when under oath, admit verbatim: "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that day." Such a mess. SM, as I've shown, lied throughout the entire investigation, eventually telling the truth at court.
Btw, I suspect the reason SM & CM didn't face perjury charges was because the Crown took pity on them and felt that they had both suffered enough because of the stress of investigation and trial, and, above all, the fact LM was convicted of murder.
I’m too tired to answer your post fully atm but let’s start with your last point. The charges were not for perjury as they hadn’t given evidence in court. The charges were for perverting the course of justice and were abandoned just before Shane and Corrine gave evidence….and outwith the hearing of the jury. So the jury would have known from the media that Luke’s mother and brother had been charged but not that the police had dropped those charges before their appearance in court. It shouldn’t be necessary to say but Luke had not been convicted at that point.
The placing of the charges were only ever to cast doubt on the Mitchell’s testimony, including Luke’s alibi, and by the time the case came to court they had done their job. I’m not sure whether you actually believe in the compassionate judicial system you suggest, whether you really are that gullible or whether you’re now justifying your beliefs with any old rubbish.
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I’m too tired to answer your post fully atm but let’s start with your last point. The charges were not for perjury as they hadn’t given evidence in court. The charges were for perverting the course of justice and were abandoned just before Shane and Corrine gave evidence….and outwith the hearing of the jury. So the jury would have known from the media that Luke’s mother and brother had been charged but not that the police had dropped those charges before their appearance in court. It shouldn’t be necessary to say but Luke had not been convicted at that point.
The placing of the charges were only ever to cast doubt on the Mitchell’s testimony, including Luke’s alibi, and by the time the case came to court they had done their job. I’m not sure whether you actually believe in the compassionate judicial system you suggest, whether you really are that gullible or whether you’re now justifying your beliefs with any old rubbish.
it’s really quite amazing how tolerant you are of changes to witness stories in this case but not so much in the other high profile case you have devoted your life to. What’s the reason for that I wonder…?
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I’m too tired to answer your post fully atm but let’s start with your last point. The charges were not for perjury as they hadn’t given evidence in court. The charges were for perverting the course of justice and were abandoned just before Shane and Corrine gave evidence….and outwith the hearing of the jury. So the jury would have known from the media that Luke’s mother and brother had been charged but not that the police had dropped those charges before their appearance in court. It shouldn’t be necessary to say but Luke had not been convicted at that point.
The placing of the charges were only ever to cast doubt on the Mitchell’s testimony, including Luke’s alibi, and by the time the case came to court they had done their job. I’m not sure whether you actually believe in the compassionate judicial system you suggest, whether you really are that gullible or whether you’re now justifying your beliefs with any old rubbish.
Well, at the very least, surely they had grounds to pursue a charge of perjury against CM, given SM's admission on the stand that he did not see his brother in the house between 1640 - 1730 hrs on.30.06.03? I don't know if they could've charged SM with perverting the course of justice, given he finally admitted on the stand that his brother wasn't home. There are gaps in my knowledge with regard to the legalities of the above.
I don't think you need to come back in and address anything.else. I've delineated clearly and convincingly that LM was not home during those crucial times, as per SM's evidence. Even your entrenched stance is rendered untenable by my previous posts on this thread; I've successfully dismantled your theories with evidence and sound.reasoning.
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Well, at the very least, surely they had grounds to pursue a charge of perjury against CM, given SM's admission on the stand that he did not see his brother in the house between 1640 - 1730 hrs on.30.06.03? I don't know if they could've charged SM with perverting the course of justice, given he finally admitted on the stand that his brother wasn't home. There are gaps in my knowledge with regard to the legalities of the above.
I don't think you need to come back in and address anything.else. I've delineated clearly and convincingly that LM was not home during those crucial times, as per SM's evidence. Even your entrenched stance is rendered untenable by my previous posts on this thread; I've successfully dismantled your theories with evidence and sound.reasoning.
Have you studied this case at all?
They did charge Shane with perverting the course of justice, why do you think he was so afraid to tell the truth in court ? The Crown dropped the charges just before he gave evidence and out of earshot of the jury. The jury would have therefore believed he still had dishonesty charges pending and thus damaging his credibility.
Sound reasoning? You knew neither the difference between perjury and perverting the course of just nor that Shane had been charged with the latter. Knowing the charges he faced is integral to understanding the evidence he gave in court.
What really does concern me about this dialogue with you is that it is obvious that you don’t understand the complexity of this case yet could tomorrow sit on a jury of a similarly complex case. That really does terrify me.
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Have you studied this case at all?
They did charge Shane with perverting the course of justice, why do you think he was so afraid to tell the truth in court ? The Crown dropped the charges just before he gave evidence and out of earshot of the jury. The jury would have therefore believed he still had dishonesty charges pending and thus damaging his credibility.
Sound reasoning? You knew neither the difference between perjury and perverting the course of just nor that Shane had been charged with the latter. Knowing the charges he faced is integral to understanding the evidence he gave in court.
What really does concern me about this dialogue with you is that it is obvious that you don’t understand the complexity of this case yet could tomorrow sit on a jury of a similarly complex case. That really does terrify me.
Everyone and their dog knows the charges against Cm &.SM were dropped. What I was inferring was, given SM's evidence on the stand, and how the case ended, was it not possible that they could have reinstated the charges against both of them? I suspect they could have, but decided not to as SM finally told the truth, and thought CM had suffered enough.
Point taken re inadequate jury members, etc. But, you could apply this to all walks of life, right through to so-called professionals (lawyers, police, cjsw departments, to name a few). I'm not denying our judicial system is flawed to a certain degree. I'm also not suggesting that there are not gaps in my knowledge with regard to said judicial system and indeed this case.
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The reason the Crown played what seemed like hardball with the Mitchells was because it was glaringly obvious that LM did it and they were trying to provide him with a false alibi. Moreover, they were having a tough time trying to prove it categorically, especially as they had no direct evidence. They had to fight fire with fire and use unorthodox tactics against a cunning and devious family (going toe to toe with them). I've said this several times on here. I think you are talking nonsense when you say that the perverting the course of justice charges frightened SM to the point he became scared to say anything. That he would just acquiesce and nod like a donkey and agree with the police when his own brother was facing a considerable amount of time in jail. Rubbish! All SM had to say was that he saw his wee brother. He didn't. A big deal was made about LM's whereabouts and that is extremely telling. The alibi was a dog's dinner. He and his mother were lying and the police sussed it out.
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Everyone and their dog knows the charges against Cm &.SM were dropped. What I was inferring was, given SM's evidence on the stand, and how the case ended, was it not possible that they could have reinstated the charges against both of them? I suspect they could have, but decided not to as SM finally told the truth, and thought CM had suffered enough.
Point taken re inadequate jury members, etc. But, you could apply this to all walks of life, right through to so-called professionals (lawyers, police, cjsw departments, to name a few). I'm not denying our judicial system is flawed to a certain degree. I'm also not suggesting that there are not gaps in my knowledge with regard to said judicial system and indeed this case.
If they had lied on the stand…and there was evidence of it….they would have been charged with perjury not perverting the course of justice.
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The reason the Crown played what seemed like hardball with the Mitchells was because it was glaringly obvious that LM did it and they were trying to provide him with a false alibi. Moreover, they were having a tough time trying to prove it categorically, especially as they had no direct evidence. They had to fight fire with fire and use unorthodox tactics against a cunning and devious family (going toe to toe with them). I've said this several times on here. I think you are talking nonsense when you say that the perverting the course of justice charges frightened SM to the point he became scared to say anything. That he would just acquiesce and nod like a donkey and agree with the police when his own brother was facing a considerable amount of time in jail. Rubbish! All SM had to say was that he saw his wee brother. He didn't. A big deal was made about LM's whereabouts and that is extremely telling. The alibi was a dog's dinner. He and his mother were lying and the police sussed it out.
Shane faced up to 3 years in prison if found guilty of perverting the course of justice. For someone who had never been in trouble with the police before it’s not surprising that he was afraid. A criminal conviction could have altered the very course of his life.
In court Shane argued repeatedly that the investigation would not accept his answers, that they were putting words into his mouth and altering the responses he gave. He told the court that he did see Luke when he came down for tea but the police would not believe him because he had not said so in his first statement. The judge at trial said Shane’s interrogation by the police would have been unfair if Shane had been a suspect, which of course at this point he was, for perverting the course of justice.
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If they had lied on the stand…and there was evidence of it….they would have been charged with perjury not perverting the course of justice.
Jeez, could you please stop it. CM, given SM's evidence on the stand and the subsequent guilty verdict, could have faced perjury charges. I suspect they didn't go ahead with perjury charges because they felt she'd suffered enough. Or, perhaps, they didn't bother because it would have been extremely difficult to prove even though they knew she had lied during the investigation and was lying in court, too (though those photos and cctv footage of LM in that parka before the murder sure would be damning). Shane did not face perjury charges as he finally told the truth on the stand. I'm not sure wether they had enough evidence to charge SM with perverting the course of justice. SM made a statement on 03.07.03 saying he couldn't remember if his brother was in the house (heavily implying LM wasn't there), he then changed this statement he had given on 03.07.03, making an amended statement to police on 07.07.03, where he claimed he had actually saw Luke in kitchen at 1720 hrs mashing tatties and had spoken to him, describing him as being 'happy' at that time (SM conceded that it was his mother who told him to make this amended statement and, more significantly, it was she who told SM exactly what to say in this amended statement on 07.07.03). On 14.04.04, when SM was arrested and charged, he told police later that day that he didn't didn't know if LM was in the house. Finally, in court, on January 2005, SM finally conceded on the stand that he, in fact, did NOT see his brother in the house that day between 1530 - 1730. Such a mess. He was lying. I suspect the police could have charged SM with perverting the course of justice, but felt he had already suffered enough, and gave him credit for finally telling the truth on the stand that his brother wasn't in the house at those times.
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Jeez, could you please stop it. CM, given SM's evidence on the stand and the subsequent guilty verdict, could have faced perjury charges. I suspect they didn't go ahead with perjury charges because they felt she'd suffered enough. Or, perhaps, they didn't bother because it would have been extremely difficult to prove even though they knew she had lied during the investigation and was lying in court, too (though those photos and cctv footage of LM in that parka before the murder sure would be damning). Shane did not face perjury charges as he finally told the truth on the stand. I'm not sure wether they had enough evidence to charge SM with perverting the course of justice. SM made a statement on 03.07.03 saying he couldn't remember if his brother was in the house (heavily implying LM wasn't there), he then changed this statement he had given on 03.07.03, making an amended statement to police on 07.07.03, where he claimed he had actually saw Luke in kitchen at 1720 hrs mashing tatties and had spoken to him, describing him as being 'happy' at that time (SM conceded that it was his mother who told him to make this amended statement and, more significantly, it was she who told SM exactly what to say in this amended statement on 07.07.03). On 14.04.04, when SM was arrested and charged, he told police later that day that he didn't didn't know if LM was in the house. Finally, in court, on January 2005, SM finally conceded on the stand that he, in fact, did NOT see his brother in the house that day between 1530 - 1730. Such a mess. He was lying. I suspect the police could have charged SM with perverting the course of justice, but felt he had already suffered enough, and gave him credit for finally telling the truth on the stand that his brother wasn't in the house at those times.
I have no intention of taking this dialogue any further as it really is a waste of time. You obviously have little knowledge of the Scottish legal system and even less of the case itself. It really is like playing chess with a pigeon.
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I have no intention of taking this dialogue any further as it really is a waste of time. You obviously have little knowledge of the Scottish legal system and even less of the case itself. It really is like playing chess with a pigeon.
This pigeon would like to ask a wee question, if you'll deign to respond:
Could the Crown have reinstated the charges against CM & SM? I admit that there are gaps in my knowledge with regard to our legal system and this case.
Can anyone answer my question? Maybe John can when he's back on the boards.
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Group member
I've been told info regarding GD & DD, they have a secret room under house, that they want no one to know about, that need looked at I think.
Ronnie Mothersole
A secret room
What does that even mean
does it mean now or then
Also it cant be a secret if someone knows about it
Sandra Lean
The way these houses are built, there is a cavity under the ground floor of many of them. There are steps up to the ground floor front door, so clearly, there is space from the ground to the level of the door. All I'm saying is, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that there would be space to some extent below the ground floor, depending on the slope of the land - the greater the slope, the greater the cavity.
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14 year old psycho killer Aiden Fucci appears to have used a similar/same (?) knife used by psycho killer Luke Mitchell https://lawandcrime.com/crime/im-going-to-get-arrested-trove-of-prosecution-evidence-exhibits-released-on-eve-of-aiden-fucci-murder-trial/
‘Prior to being arrested for Bailey's death in May 2021, Fucci did not have any criminal history of arrests or convictions, but he did have some problems at school
https://eu.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/20/aiden-fuccis-history-at-issue-before-tristyn-bailey-sentencing/70025945007/
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14 year old sadistic psycho killer Aiden Fucci and his parents
https://youtu.be/x6zXtuMPA0o
They knew their son was guilty of his murder of Tristyn Bailey - just like Corinne Mitchell knew her psycho killer son was guilty of his murder of Jodi Jones
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14 year old psycho killer Aiden Fucci appears to have used a similar/same (?) knife used by psycho killer Luke Mitchell https://lawandcrime.com/crime/im-going-to-get-arrested-trove-of-prosecution-evidence-exhibits-released-on-eve-of-aiden-fucci-murder-trial/
‘Prior to being arrested for Bailey's death in May 2021, Fucci did not have any criminal history of arrests or convictions, but he did have some problems at school
https://eu.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/20/aiden-fuccis-history-at-issue-before-tristyn-bailey-sentencing/70025945007/
The 14 year old killer also appeared to fantasise (and verbalise) about murder and mutilation like sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell
‘A newly-released report includes interviews with friends of Mr Fucci, who say he often talked about murder and had recently said he planned to drag a random person into the woods and stab them.
According to the St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office report, the same friend also said that on occasion, Mr Fucci "would take his knife out and pretend to stab her with it”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/tristyn-bailey-case-aiden-fucci-charged-b1885045.html
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The 14 year old killer also appeared to fantasise (and verbalise) about murder and mutilation like sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell
‘A newly-released report includes interviews with friends of Mr Fucci, who say he often talked about murder and had recently said he planned to drag a random person into the woods and stab them.
According to the St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office report, the same friend also said that on occasion, Mr Fucci "would take his knife out and pretend to stab her with it”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/tristyn-bailey-case-aiden-fucci-charged-b1885045.html
More similarities between the two teenage killers
‘The sheath of a Buck knife was discovered in his bedroom
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More similarities between the two teenage killers
‘The sheath of a Buck knife was discovered in his bedroom
Both knives could be mistaken for twins...
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Fucci's sentencing for those with hours to waste... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt9PAVy-Tfk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt9PAVy-Tfk)
Just lock him up and throw away the key.
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The rape was in 1985 and the DNA found on the victim was linked to another man who was already serving 60 years for another sexual assault which occurred in the same vicinity after the rape Avery was convicted of.
Therefore Avery certainly has been ruled out of the 1985 crime.
Don’t be silly now.
Steven Avery has not been ruled out of the 1985 brutal attack and rape
How did a single pubic hair of Gregory Allen get inside of the underwear of Penny Bernstein when she was digitally raped?
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Aiden Fucci sentenced to a minimum of 25 years...
https://www.youtube.com/live/mTEOAqgNjN4?feature=share&t=2931 (https://www.youtube.com/live/mTEOAqgNjN4?feature=share&t=2931)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11899049/Teen-killer-Aiden-Fucci-jailed-life-stabbing-13-year-old-cheerleader-114-times.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11899049/Teen-killer-Aiden-Fucci-jailed-life-stabbing-13-year-old-cheerleader-114-times.html)
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Aiden Fucci sentenced to a minimum of 25 years...
https://www.youtube.com/live/mTEOAqgNjN4?feature=share&t=2931 (https://www.youtube.com/live/mTEOAqgNjN4?feature=share&t=2931)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11899049/Teen-killer-Aiden-Fucci-jailed-life-stabbing-13-year-old-cheerleader-114-times.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11899049/Teen-killer-Aiden-Fucci-jailed-life-stabbing-13-year-old-cheerleader-114-times.html)
Fucci confessed didn’t he?
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Fucci confessed didn’t he?
Only on the 6th. Feb this year which should have been the day of his trial jury selection... that's nearly two years after the killing.
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Fucci confessed didn’t he?
Which makes him just a tiny teeny, incy wincy bit less evil than Luke Mitchell. But only just.
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Only on the 6th. Feb this year which should have been the day of his trial jury selection... that's nearly two years after the killing.
But he did confess. He was also caught on CCTV. AO and CM were both seen on CCTV yet no AB or Luke. Odd that.
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The innocence fraud tactics continue…
Sandra Lean
Today's Mail on Sunday has run an article about samples from Jodi's body that were not tested - we only found out about them when the list of destroyed and not destroyed evidence was finally handed over!!! I don't have a copy of the article, sorry, but just thought I'd let everyone know it's out - and very, very damning. You really do have to wonder where it actually ends with this case
Mag Cossar Pringle
Omg 😱 this is disgusting behaviour of what’s meant to be our justice department Donald Finlay should have been all over that what on earth has happened here a huge miscarriage of justice a boys life ruined and a poor victim without justice R.I.P Jodi 😢💔
Sandra Lean
Mag Cossar Pringle DF couldn't be all over stuff that he knew nothing about, Mag - this is the whole point, it's been hidden for almost 20 years.
Mag Cossar Pringle
Sandra Lean shocking disgusting so many secrets how can those people live with themselves knowing full well a boy was put in prison under false accusations never to see two decades of freedom #freeluke
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Robin Carson
The article is a bit misleading - it suggests that the body fluid evidence was untested but does not say explicitly that the body fluid evidence still exists. Sandra is quoted as saying “ she demands the samples be handed over for testing” which implies that there is still sample evidence that could be tested?
It would be good if this could be clarified - clearly the existence of body fluid samples is massive
Sandra Lean
Sorry Robin, I thought the article explained that, although many items were destroyed, we managed to stop them in time to save a large number of forensic samples. So the evidence definitely still exists, in the form of swabs of those samples collected from the scene - it is those which we will be demanding that they release for testing. And yes, you're right - it's massive!!!.
It really isn’t !
Robin Carson
Sandra Lean
That is a huge relief - preying that this is the breakthrough that we have all been waiting for.
Sandra Lean
Robin Carson Absolutely. I could hardly believe that they didn't destroy the forensic evidence FIRST. Again, I believe that was based on sheer arrogance - they thought they had plenty of time because no-one would ever find out, or, at least, by the time they did find out it would be too late.
On this one, they absolutely didn't see us coming!!!!
And the ‘sheer arrogance’ Sandra Lean refers to is her own!
*&^^&
More and more people are waking up to her deceptive and manipulative innocence fraud tactics
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And the ‘sheer arrogance’ Sandra Lean refers to is her own!
*&^^&
More and more people are waking up to her deceptive and manipulative innocence fraud tactics
Only those with limited insight can't see what's going on here. Where in any of the above SL claims will it overturn the circumstantial evidence that convicted LM in the first place? Con artist.
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Robin Carson
The article is a bit misleading - it suggests that the body fluid evidence was untested but does not say explicitly that the body fluid evidence still exists. Sandra is quoted as saying “ she demands the samples be handed over for testing” which implies that there is still sample evidence that could be tested?
It would be good if this could be clarified - clearly the existence of body fluid samples is massive
Sandra Lean
Sorry Robin, I thought the article explained that, although many items were destroyed, we managed to stop them in time to save a large number of forensic samples. So the evidence definitely still exists, in the form of swabs of those samples collected from the scene - it is those which we will be demanding that they release for testing. And yes, you're right - it's massive!!!.
It really isn’t !
Robin Carson
Sandra Lean
That is a huge relief - preying that this is the breakthrough that we have all been waiting for.
Sandra Lean
Robin Carson Absolutely. I could hardly believe that they didn't destroy the forensic evidence FIRST. Again, I believe that was based on sheer arrogance - they thought they had plenty of time because no-one would ever find out, or, at least, by the time they did find out it would be too late.
On this one, they absolutely didn't see us coming!!!!
If this grifter is referring to the police and prosecutor fiscal..
They absolutely did, and do, see you ‘coming’ Sandra Lean
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Robin Carson
Sandra Lean
Honestly the whole thing is so despicable it is beyond words. No doubt the Establishment will still use every trick in the book to hide the truth. Vitally important that the Mail on Sunday keep up their “good work” and stay close to developments. Public awareness is huge - more articles like that make it far less likely that senior officials will risk taking any further illegal actions or are they so far in the mire that they simply can’t afford the real truth to come out?
Sandra Lean
Robin Carson We'll be exposing everything - and I mean absolutely everything - as it's uncovered. Thankfully, the media is finally catching on that THIS is the "big story" - both the Sun and the Express have already picked this up today.
Pamela Polok Orr
David Polok Graham Wilson what u make of this?
Surly they have to reliese them
Sandra Lean
Pamela Polok Orr They don't "have to" release anything - the forensic scientists have to provide "good reason" for wanting them released - I'd have thought "Because you've been hiding them for 20 years" would have been good enough reasoning, but apparently not!!!!
Sandra Lean
Pamela Polok Orr I know. Here's the utterly, utterly ridiculous scenario. The Lord Advocate (who is married to the man who prosecuted Luke and whose sister-in-law is married to one of the judges who sat on the appeal) is the person who was implicated in the decision to destroy the evidence. She is also the one who dismissed the petition on the basis that the case needs "no further review." And guess what else she is??? The person who will have the final say on whether the remaining evidence is released to the defence for testing/re-testing.
Pamela Polok Orr
Sandra Lean u know what I think will happen and I hope I'm wrong is that luke will get out but not cleared so in some people's eyes he'll always b branded a murderer
Alan Clark
Sandra Lean surely she shoud be made to stand down on this particular occasion as the conflicts of interest in this case are beyond belief or are these people actually untouchable.😡
Sandra Lean
Alan Clark She's stood aside in other cases, we have the proof of this. So why not this one? Perhaps a large number of people outside the Parliament might persuade her?????
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Freddie Gren
"SAMPLES THAT COULD HAVE IDENTIFIED REAL MURDERER"
Exclusive in The Scottish Mail on Sunday. Out today. Definitely worth grabbing a copy.
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie
So angry and disgusted, unbelievable, and they try to pass this off, as a genuine error , my ass, I hope we can still prove he is innocent, with what's left, will they release these samples to be tested?, God this is just appalling, so angry right now
Sandra Lean
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie That's what I find so galling - that they think we're stupid enough to accept this was a genuine "error." Do you know, when stating it was an error, they didn't even offer any sort of apology? Just, pretty much, yeah we did it, yeah it was a mistake, yeah whatever, type of thing. Grrrrrrrrrr!
Your ‘Grrrrrrrr!’ doesn’t look or sound convincing either Sandra
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
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Robin Carson
Sandra Lean
Honestly the whole thing is so despicable it is beyond words. No doubt the Establishment will still use every trick in the book to hide the truth. Vitally important that the Mail on Sunday keep up their “good work” and stay close to developments. Public awareness is huge - more articles like that make it far less likely that senior officials will risk taking any further illegal actions or are they so far in the mire that they simply can’t afford the real truth to come out?
Sandra Lean
Alan Clark She's stood aside in other cases, we have the proof of this. So why not this one? Perhaps a large number of people outside the Parliament might persuade her?????
The three worst/most right wing papers out there have picked up on this. And judging by the number that turned up for the petition would be lucky to get 30 people unless she lures in the bingo crowd with free sausage rolls. !!!! ????
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Amy McCallum
Adam Holland I know exactly the team you are talking about...... the "oh hes guilty" ok so tell me something that proves it then??......... still waiting 🤷♀️ that's the crazy part! When I 1st saw this case about 20yrs ago I believed he was guilty cause that was the narrative we were fed but when the case came back into public again I took the time to do my own research and Its crazy the amount of information that was manipulated and held back! The whole thing was just a witch hunt from the start because it suited the narrative! Thank goodness for people like Sandra and Scott for standing up and fighting against what is unbelievably a corrupt system that we are meant to trust 😏 x
Ana Azaria
Hi Amy,
Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation out there, some in the form of podcasts and videos. Thankfully, there are people like you, who have taken time to learn the facts, and can spot the misinformation. I think all we can do, is point out misinformation when we see it, and continue to spread the known facts of the case. The more we do that, the more people will recognise, like you have, when someone hasn’t done the research.
And that ‘lot of misinformation’ comes from killer Luke Mitchell, his mother Corinne, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
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The three worst/most right wing papers out there have picked up on this. And judging by the number that turned up for the petition would be lucky to get 30 people unless she lures in the bingo crowd with free sausage rolls. !!!! ????
Suspect - if it ever happens - it will be some of the same faces plus a handful of new unsuspecting dupes
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Sandra Lean
Robin Carson We'll be exposing everything - and I mean absolutely everything
Does that include the Mitchell statements?
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The three worst/most right wing papers out there have picked up on this. And judging by the number that turned up for the petition would be lucky to get 30 people unless she lures in the bingo crowd with free sausage rolls. !!!! ????
Evidence will free Luke….not right wing, or left wing for that matter, newspapers, not petitions nor indeed shows of solidarity ( with or without sausage rolls) but new evidence. Fortunately it appears there’s hope on that front.
It is puzzling however why three of the most rightwing newspapers, usually the bastions of law and order, are reporting this new evidence. I suppose no one, not even the rightwing media, like corrupt police.
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Only those with limited insight can't see what's going on here. Where in any of the above SL claims will it overturn the circumstantial evidence that convicted LM in the first place? Con artist.
A circumstantial case was presented by the Crown because there was no forensic evidence against Luke. If there is testing of the saved samples and they lead to DNA linked to another name then it could certainly lead to the overturning of the case, just as it did in the Steven Avery case. The circumstantial nonsense will simply fall away.
The victim of the 1985 rape with which Avery was convicted identified him as her attacker. She was, of course, wrong and apologised later.
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A circumstantial case was presented by the Crown because there was no forensic evidence against Luke. If there is testing of the saved samples and they lead to DNA linked to another name then it could certainly lead to the overturning of the case, just as it did in the Steven Avery case. The circumstantial nonsense will simply fall away.
The victim of the 1985 rape with which Avery was convicted identified him as her attacker. She was, of course, wrong and apologised later.
Of course if the DNA turns out to be his his team will have a whole raft of excuses why it was there so he can’t lose by having it tested.
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Of course if the DNA turns out to be his his team will have a whole raft of excuses why it was there so he can’t lose by having it tested.
Firstly let us swiftly apply reality to this = Crock of s**t.
Let us NOT deflect from what is NOT happening which is nothing legally, there is nothing new here, what there is, is an attempt to salvage something from all the previous manipulated hype.
Here is context and reality once more - 2021 and many people were contacted around the disposal of items from storage in relation to this case, to be returned to owner or permission to destroy. The enablers got wind of this and it was morphed into "Illegal destruction of evidence"
What was NEVER up for destruction/disposal were certain samples/tests retained in labs - Said it then that one would be extremely surprised if this were the case. What the manipulator/enablers now apply is that they stopped this - Have a word.
There is storage units for masses of items obtained in multiple crimes, they just get fuller and fuller until action is taken to clear out and make room for more. It takes little to imagine the storage for this case alone, 1000's of items including a massive replica wall. There is a slithering of truth in people who dealt with this case, the retainment of many items, officers now heading into retirement, many tasks needing done before they set sail into the sunset of those golden years ------ That is context and reality, there is no rushing to destroy anything because of some stupid TV show. There has never been anything found untoward in this case that has ever merited legal action where any evidence is concerned.
SF's, "15 sperm deposits" to SL and IB, 15 "unsatisfactory samples" to that predictive wording now of "not tested" - Gullible? How does it go? 'I am a little sperm head, I am defunct but my fellow swimmer survived, we speak for ourselves, no tests required to determine what we are?' - Of course the samples were bloody tested - Have a word!
Where is the slithering of truth and manipulation here? - I know, this is the first time we have actually seen this on a list as opposed to the reports we have around the forensics/testing. We can say this is new because the list is new to us, it is NOT new/different to what is already in possession. Dam, when we have Lean saying, she had still not matched the correct samples to reports, she is certainly not going to be saying I can match those on the list to anything, are they now? Best just to apply new - Yawn.
Skip the hype, the fallacy and go straight to what is important here - Not new, no appeals to be had, nothing hidden or undisclosed to anyone, it is the same tests/samples that these enablers have been spinning out for years. - Back to the WAP again. Here is a defunct sperm head, we can apply one solo male to this until we know who's it is. Here is another defunct sperm head, we can apply another male to this, we can't say it is the same male unless there is the ability to obtain full profiles - and on it goes --------
Here I go again, I know - When we apply LM having direct source of an agreement made in front of him around certain forensics in this case, we then have to apply absolute fact that he knows every single detail of that agreement. When we simply state "another source" without naming source, it allows manipulators and enablers to blank the exact reason for that agreement. And when someone scrapes and strives to blank the exact reason, then we apply the why to this? - It allows for what is still happening in the present day, continuous groundhog day -
VS is correct - There is nothing to lose for someone who is already in full possession of every detail of that agreement, the further clarification of "nothing found that could not be innocently explained away" never changes - Tactics to keep the same focus and support, manipulation and support by deception ----
Two accepted donors, any trace transferral/diffusion from original source of SK and of course LM. You are told there is absolutely nothing, that is zero of LM to do with Jodi Jones at all in any reports. There is, of course there is, let us take one small example here, the visit by Jodi to Mitchells home/ his bedroom the Saturday before her death. We can apply two things here? One that many samples were found pertaining to Jodi Jones, or that LM scrubbed that bedroom, a massive overhaul and clean up took place, the latter did not happen, did it now? - Continuously spun a yarn to place focus on just two things, the only two things discussed, introduced before that agreement took place, the bra strap and the trouser in a bag ------------- The rest blanked on repeat.
In brief, nothing illegal, no shady actions at all. Every single thing held on to for 18yrs were most should have been returned/disposed off many years ago. Certain test/samples that were never up for any disposal at all, no one put a halt to any of this, you don't halt what was not taken place. They got wind of items being disposed/returned by the very people this was taken place with. There was no illegal destruction of evidence.
That tiny excerpt put out, manipulated around about destroying items, we can ask again 'Were items belonging to a certain person disposed of without consulting with the owner first?' A civil matter around personal belongings and not evidence.
Again, take that knife pouch, a production at trial. A case solved, spent its time, the item reverts back to a possession, a belonging and no longer evidence - The Jones family, such bad people, imagine NOT wanting "bloody clothing" back - Some very odd people out there, that's for sure!
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Firstly let us swiftly apply reality to this = Crock of s**t.
Let us NOT deflect from what is NOT happening which is nothing legally, there is nothing new here, what there is, is an attempt to salvage something from all the previous manipulated hype.
Here is context and reality once more - 2021 and many people were contacted around the disposal of items from storage in relation to this case, to be returned to owner or permission to destroy. The enablers got wind of this and it was morphed into "Illegal destruction of evidence"
What was NEVER up for destruction/disposal were certain samples/tests retained in labs - Said it then that one would be extremely surprised if this were the case. What the manipulator/enablers now apply is that they stopped this - Have a word.
There is storage units for masses of items obtained in multiple crimes, they just get fuller and fuller until action is taken to clear out and make room for more. It takes little to imagine the storage for this case alone, 1000's of items including a massive replica wall. There is a slithering of truth in people who dealt with this case, the retainment of many items, officers now heading into retirement, many tasks needing done before they set sail into the sunset of those golden years ------ That is context and reality, there is no rushing to destroy anything because of some stupid TV show. There has never been anything found untoward in this case that has ever merited legal action where any evidence is concerned.
SF's, "15 sperm deposits" to SL and IB, 15 "unsatisfactory samples" to that predictive wording now of "not tested" - Gullible? How does it go? 'I am a little sperm head, I am defunct but my fellow swimmer survived, we speak for ourselves, no tests required to determine what we are?' - Of course the samples were bloody tested - Have a word!
Where is the slithering of truth and manipulation here? - I know, this is the first time we have actually seen this on a list as opposed to the reports we have around the forensics/testing. We can say this is new because the list is new to us, it is NOT new/different to what is already in possession. Dam, when we have Lean saying, she had still not matched the correct samples to reports, she is certainly not going to be saying I can match those on the list to anything, are they now? Best just to apply new - Yawn.
Skip the hype, the fallacy and go straight to what is important here - Not new, no appeals to be had, nothing hidden or undisclosed to anyone, it is the same tests/samples that these enablers have been spinning out for years. - Back to the WAP again. Here is a defunct sperm head, we can apply one solo male to this until we know who's it is. Here is another defunct sperm head, we can apply another male to this, we can't say it is the same male unless there is the ability to obtain full profiles - and on it goes --------
Here I go again, I know - When we apply LM having direct source of an agreement made in front of him around certain forensics in this case, we then have to apply absolute fact that he knows every single detail of that agreement. When we simply state "another source" without naming source, it allows manipulators and enablers to blank the exact reason for that agreement. And when someone scrapes and strives to blank the exact reason, then we apply the why to this? - It allows for what is still happening in the present day, continuous groundhog day -
VS is correct - There is nothing to lose for someone who is already in full possession of every detail of that agreement, the further clarification of "nothing found that could not be innocently explained away" never changes - Tactics to keep the same focus and support, manipulation and support by deception ----
Two accepted donors, any trace transferral/diffusion from original source of SK and of course LM. You are told there is absolutely nothing, that is zero of LM to do with Jodi Jones at all in any reports. There is, of course there is, let us take one small example here, the visit by Jodi to Mitchells home/ his bedroom the Saturday before her death. We can apply two things here? One that many samples were found pertaining to Jodi Jones, or that LM scrubbed that bedroom, a massive overhaul and clean up took place, the latter did not happen, did it now? - Continuously spun a yarn to place focus on just two things, the only two things discussed, introduced before that agreement took place, the bra strap and the trouser in a bag ------------- The rest blanked on repeat.
In brief, nothing illegal, no shady actions at all. Every single thing held on to for 18yrs were most should have been returned/disposed off many years ago. Certain test/samples that were never up for any disposal at all, no one put a halt to any of this, you don't halt what was not taken place. They got wind of items being disposed/returned by the very people this was taken place with. There was no illegal destruction of evidence.
That tiny excerpt put out, manipulated around about destroying items, we can ask again 'Were items belonging to a certain person disposed of without consulting with the owner first?' A civil matter around personal belongings and not evidence.
Again, take that knife pouch, a production at trial. A case solved, spent its time, the item reverts back to a possession, a belonging and no longer evidence - The Jones family, such bad people, imagine NOT wanting "bloody clothing" back - Some very odd people out there, that's for sure!
I love it when you’re stung into hyperbolic verbosity….excellent.
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Hi Folks, just a quick question really if anyone knows the answer. The day that Jodie was killed, was she in attendance at school that whole day, was she marked in all of her classes? I’m just thinking there isn’t a lot of time between 5.15 and when Jodie was found to clean up the scene and remove any trace of the evidence so to speak, especially with it being summer and it would’ve been just with kids, dog walkers etc. Isnt it a more reasonable conclusion that Jodie was killed earlier in the day at another location bc there is not a chance in hell someone can lose that amount of blood and there be no trace of it, common sense tells you that so what the police were thinking not looking for another location is beyond me, possibly if they looked into this “secret room
Sandra Lean
Both Jodi and Luke were marked as present for all their classes that day. The concert was at Newbattle High (not St David's, where Luke and Jodi attended) - it gets confusing, because Jodi was found behind Newbattle School, but she attended St David's. Neither school finished early that day - Newbattle did have a concert that evening, but the school day finished at its normal time.
School finished just after 3.30pm - Luke could walk home in about 20 minutes, but Jodi would have to get the bus to her home. We don't know, to this day, whether she got the school bus or the public bus but, according to her mum, she walked through the door at exactly 4.05pm. For her to have been killed at exactly 5.15pm, as the prosecution claimed, there are only 70 minutes for her to go upstairs, get changed, listen to a 7 minute long Rod Stewart track, walk to the V point in the wall and be involved in the horrendous fight for her life before the knife wounds to her throat which killed her.
Also, according to her mum, Jodi was in the house for exactly 45 of those 70 minutes. So, if all of this is correct, Jodi left home at 4.50pm, walked to the Easthouses end of the path (2 mins 40 seconds), stopped long enough to be seen having some sort of discussion with a male, by Andrina Bryson (call it another minute), then walked down to the V point (approximately 8 minutes) - it's now 5.02pm - climbed over the wall and, 13 minutes later, was dead. There's a huge problem with all of this as well - Jodi smoked cannabis within an hour of her death. Her mum insisted she never smoked in the house, so, in the remaining 13 minutes, we also have to build in enough time for that joint to be smoked.
The fight prior to her death was prolonged and moving - there were blood splashes on branches either side of the woodland strip to where Jodi's body was found. It's a very, very tight timescale, by any measure.
But we have to remember, the 5.15pm time of death was not arrived at by any form of scientific reasoning - an analyst was brought in to see if she could find a "window of opportunity" for Luke to have been the killer and all of the other timings (including the time Jodi left, the AB sighting, etc were adjusted around that. Any other time that evening and Luke Mitchell could not have been the killer.
Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell on his other missing bike
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“Jodi's sister Janine gives evidence in a temporary courtroom at the Laigh Hall in Parliament House, where a replica of the wall behind which Jodi's body was found has been specially constructed”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401135.timeline-jodi-jones-murder-case/
How many witnesses gave evidence in Leigh/Laigh hall ?
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
Was killer Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife a Christmas present from the previous year (2002) ?
And if so who bought the killer the knife - Corinne Mitchell?
Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell show his then girlfriend Kim T his Christmas present ie; new knife?
“Evidence emerged about his fascination with knives, his enjoyment of cannabis and the fact he was two-timing Jodi with a girl who was "almost identical" to her.
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
Was killer Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife a Christmas present from the previous year (2002) ?
“At the weekend police set up an e-mail address for people to leave information or post anonymous tip-offs. A police spokesman said they have received e-mails from as far afield as the US and Holland.
Police are anxious to speak to people who may have spotted Jodi just before she was murdered.
Strongly suspect many people sent in emails about psycho killer Luke Mitchell
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”A total of 220 police staff were involved in the inquiry, taking 3150 statements from more than 2000 people.
Detectives searched Mitchell's home on July 4, four days after Jodi's body was found, and took a number of items away for examination.
More than 20 bottles of urine, a Marilyn Manson CD and DVD and a calendar featuring the goth musician were among the items seized.
Killer Luke Mitchell was urinating in bottles found in his bedroom prior to his murder
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
Where did the above info come from?
Were Corinne Mitchell or her killer son Luke Mitchell telling people the police were looking for a knife when they searched his home on the 4th July 2003 - 11 days before this article
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
What did John F erris and Gordon D ickie tell police about killer Luke Mitchell’s 2002 Christmas present ie; his Jack Pyke knife?
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
What was Kim T’s evidence regarding her then boyfriend Luke Mitchell’s 2002 Christmas presents
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Luke Mitchell
I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms
Did Grace McLean speak with the police regarding what Mitchel told her?
On what date did killer Luke Mitchell tell Grace McLean Alice Walker had ‘cradled her in her arms ’?
And did Grace McLean give evidence during the trial or make a statement?
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Here is the article from the Daily Mail dated 22nd January 2005. The story broke the previous evening.
Byline: GRACE MCLEAN
A TEENAGER last night told how killer Luke Mitchell held a knife to her throat just a month before he killed and mutilated girlfriend Jodi Jones.
Mitchell, then only 14 years old, pulled on a balaclava, grabbed Kara van Nuil from behind and warned her not to move as he pressed the blade to her neck.
Last night she said: 'I was absolutely terrified. He was so strong. I didn't hear him coming. He just came up behind me, grabbed me around the neck with one arm and held the knife with the other.
'He told me: "Move and you are f***ing dead".' Miss van Nuil, now 17, met Mitchell at the Army Cadet HQ in Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, when she joined his cadet unit in February, 2002.
They started dating a few weeks later, even though Mitchell was already going out with Jodi and seeing another girl, Kimberley Thomson, in Perthshire.
Miss van Nuil told how she was at first mesmerised by Mitchell and how he wooed her with romantic text messages.
But she brought the relationship to an end after he followed her into the cadet hut one night and threatened her with the knife. She told the Scottish Daily Mail: 'He used to wear a balaclava and pull it up over his head like a hat.
'We were at cadets in May when I went into the hut on my own. The instructors were out having a cigarette with the other cadets. I was messing about with the blackboard and I didn't hear Luke coming but there was suddenly an arm around my neck.
'I got a glimpse of him as I looked back and he had pulled his balaclava over his face. He then put a knife to my throat and said I would be dead if I moved an inch.
'I was really scared and couldn't move.
He was so strong. I couldn't move my arms but I kept nipping his knees with my fingernails and begging him to let me go. He kept me like that for about a minute.
'When he put the knife down I turned to face him and he said, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He tried to pretend it was a joke but my neck was red and I was genuinely scared. I was crying my eyes out.' Mitchell never returned to cadets after the attack. A month later he strangled 14-year- old Jodi and cut her throat.
Miss van Nuil regrets not telling her parents Angela, 39, and Bill, 55, about the attack until after the murder.
She said: 'I never knew Jodi but when I found out Luke was her boyfriend I knew straight away that he had done it. I told my dad what happened in the cadet hut and he called the police.
'They came around and took hours of statements but I was never called to court.
'I'm so relieved - I couldn't have faced him in the court. I'm so sorry for what happened to Jodi. When it first happened, I used to feel such guilt and think "that could have been me".' Miss van Nuil, of Gorebridge, Midlothian, said: 'We never met anywhere but cadets, so I only saw him on Monday and Wednesday nights - I suppose because he was going out with Jodi.
'One of my friends said he had five girls on the go but I didn't care because I was crazy about him. He was so polite. I suspected he might have been a bit of a geek. But he always sent me lovely text messages.' But Miss van Nuil said she also saw flashes of his temper: 'One time he was on the shooting range and got told off by one of the instructors. All of a sudden he shouted something, threw down his gun and stormed off.
'There were other times, too. If someone so much as criticised him, he would lose his temper and shout and swear at them.' After the knife attack, she dumped Mitchell. But two days after he was first questioned about Jodi's murder, Miss van Nuil saw him walking down her street. She said: 'I was looking out the window. He was parading around like a cockerel. His friends all came out and started hugging him as if he was a hero.
'I was terrified. I hid behind the curtain, shaking, and hoped he would not see me.' Last night Miss Van Nuil broke down in tears on hearing the verdict.
'I'm just so happy,' she said. 'It's been a long wait and now it's all over.
I feel that I can finally rest easy.' Her mother, Angela, added: 'We're relieved that justice has been done for Jodi and pleased because we knew all along that he had done this.' It has emerged that at least one other girl also suffered a terrifying ordeal at Mitchell's hands.
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
Mitchell, who was only 12, was also staying in the house in Livingston and the two youngsters were sharing a twin bedroom.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. Last night she said: 'I just can't tell you how I feel about the verdict.'
g.mclean@dailymail.co.uk
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-127809847.html
Did they mean 2003?
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Byline: GRACE MCLEAN
A TEENAGER last night told how killer Luke Mitchell held a knife to her throat just a month before he killed and mutilated girlfriend Jodi Jones.
Mitchell, then only 14 years old, pulled on a balaclava, grabbed Kara van Nuil from behind and warned her not to move as he pressed the blade to her neck.
Last night she said: 'I was absolutely terrified. He was so strong. I didn't hear him coming. He just came up behind me, grabbed me around the neck with one arm and held the knife with the other.
'He told me: "Move and you are f***ing dead".' Miss van Nuil, now 17, met Mitchell at the Army Cadet HQ in Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, when she joined his cadet unit in February, 2002.
They started dating a few weeks later, even though Mitchell was already going out with Jodi and seeing another girl, Kimberley Thomson, in Perthshire.
Miss van Nuil told how she was at first mesmerised by Mitchell and how he wooed her with romantic text messages.
But she brought the relationship to an end after he followed her into the cadet hut one night and threatened her with the knife. She told the Scottish Daily Mail: 'He used to wear a balaclava and pull it up over his head like a hat.
'We were at cadets in May when I went into the hut on my own. The instructors were out having a cigarette with the other cadets. I was messing about with the blackboard and I didn't hear Luke coming but there was suddenly an arm around my neck.
'I got a glimpse of him as I looked back and he had pulled his balaclava over his face. He then put a knife to my throat and said I would be dead if I moved an inch.
'I was really scared and couldn't move.
He was so strong. I couldn't move my arms but I kept nipping his knees with my fingernails and begging him to let me go. He kept me like that for about a minute.
'When he put the knife down I turned to face him and he said, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He tried to pretend it was a joke but my neck was red and I was genuinely scared. I was crying my eyes out.' Mitchell never returned to cadets after the attack. A month later he strangled 14-year- old Jodi and cut her throat.
Psycho killer Luke Mitchell attacked Kara Van Null with a knife in his hand a month before he committed his murder
Sandra Lean may have told her daughters this kind of behaviour is okay but in reality it’s a massive red flag
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
What exactly did killer Luke Mitchell say to the police when he was questioned on 4th July 2003 and how many people did he brag to following his police questioning
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“At the weekend police set up an e-mail address for people to leave information or post anonymous tip-offs. A police spokesman said they have received e-mails from as far afield as the US and Holland.
The previous weekend would have been the 12th and 13th July 2003
Very much doubt fraudster Scott Forbes bothered to email the tip off address that weekend about his so called ‘friend’ Mark Kane
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“At the weekend police set up an e-mail address for people to leave information or post anonymous tip-offs. A police spokesman said they have received e-mails from as far afield as the US and Holland.
The previous weekend would have been the 12th and 13th July 2003
How many of those people who are now ‘supporting’ and lionising guilty killer Luke Mitchell emailed the tip off address?
Did people like Derek Edmond, or his parents, send in tip offs?
Did the person who pretends they saw Joseph following his sister on the 30th June 2003 email the tip off address?
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“At the weekend police set up an e-mail address for people to leave information or post anonymous tip-offs. A police spokesman said they have received e-mails from as far afield as the US and Holland.
The previous weekend would have been the 12th and 13th July 2003
Why didn’t fraudster Scott Forbes bother to email the tip off address?
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From 2nd August 2009
“Now Mitchell's new defence team is preparing to apply for a fresh appeal based partly on the original forensics investigation, the details of which have never before been made public. The new defence team say the original police forensic service laboratory report and biology report contradict the prosecution case that the murder did not have a sexual motive, as semen was found on Jodi's body.
The reports also show, the new defence team says, that a blood sample found on her produced a full DNA match with a named individual and a second full DNA profile, for an unknown male, was retrieved from a condom found near the body.
The latter individual was identified three years later when he committed a crime and provided a match on the DNA database.
Mitchell's current solicitor, John Carroll, said: "It [the DNA evidence] could put two people, two associated people, at the locus in circumstances that require an explanation. If the jury had heard of this, a number of things could have arisen."
Mitchell's original defence team had a copy of the reports but never raised them in court because of issues over who would pay for an expert opinion on the documents, according to Sandra Lean, an author studying wrongful convictions, who has been campaigning on Mitchell's behalf. The original defence team refused to discuss the case with the Guardian.
The Scottish Legal Aid Board said they were approached for funding by the original defence team but the matter was "not concluded".
The reports confirm that no DNA evidence was found to link Mitchell with the crime scene. They also reveal that there were 122 items taken from the murder scene from which attempts to obtain DNA profiles proved unsuccessful, including a number of hairs and saliva on Jodi's body and clothing.Lean said she believed the real killer was still at large. "He's out there right now and some other daughter could be at risk."
Appears the saliva has now morphed into ‘bodily fluids’
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“At the weekend police set up an e-mail address for people to leave information or post anonymous tip-offs. A police spokesman said they have received e-mails from as far afield as the US and Holland.
The previous weekend would have been the 12th and 13th July 2003
Does anyone know what that email tip off address was?
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Firstly let us swiftly apply reality to this = Crock of s**t.
Let us NOT deflect from what is NOT happening which is nothing legally, there is nothing new here, what there is, is an attempt to salvage something from all the previous manipulated hype.
Looks like the ‘saliva’ (possibly from Mia the dog) has now morphed into ‘bodily fluids’
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SF's, "15 sperm deposits" to SL and IB, 15 "unsatisfactory samples" to that predictive wording now of "not tested" - Gullible?
Seems some people really think the police and forensic teams were complete morons and didn’t test the obvious ‘DNA’ - nearly 20 years ago
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C J Red
The tone of the online discussion is more polite recently too. Even the people who are sceptical about Luke's innocence seem less angry and more open minded since the destruction of evidence has been made public
Sandra Lean
CJ Red I noticed that yesterday when I was reading through the comments - still the odd ranting one, but definitely less hateful. I guess even the most die-hard "It was him" believers must be having a bit of a wobble now, with everything that's come out.
Apparently, someone was trying to justify the deposits on Jodi's body as "washing machine transfer" on youtube - all of them, even the untested ones!!! I'd love the see the science supporting that!!! But it's interesting that there are some people out there offering "innocent explanations" for anyone else whose DNA might turn up, before the samples are even tested???
How many people have been taken in by this latest propaganda?
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
Was killer Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife a Christmas present from the previous year (2002) ?
What did witnesses tell police about killer Luke Mitchell’s 2002 Christmas presents and his Jack Pyke knife?
And what did the police ask killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell about the brown handled Jack Pyke knife?
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“However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
POLICE officers using chainsaws and strimmers yesterday widened the search of the Midlothian countryside in the hunt for the killer of Jodi Jones.
Anxious to find the murder weapon used in the frenzied attack on the 14-year-old, officers hacked through undergrowth and cleared vegetation in fields around the crime scene near Dalkeith.
Earlier this week, Lothian and Borders Police searched drains close to the wooded walkway where the teenager's body was found 11 days ago.
Yesterday*, eight search team officers in black overalls and boots widened the search out from the murder scene. After each clearance of woodland debris they carried out a close examination of the ground to search for forensic evidence.
* Yesterday = 10th July 2003
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“DETECTIVES hunting the killer of Jodi Jones have found DNA at the murder scene different from her boyfriend Luke Mitchell's.
The first genetic fingerprint is a trace of saliva found close to where Jodi was killed in Easthouses, near Dalkeith.
Tests have revealed that the two samples are not from the same person. They have also eliminated Luke, 15, as a possible source.
The Sunday Mail can reveal that the samples were the reason joggers were asked to provide DNA samples last week
A police source said: ``The team has started initial tests to see if they can find a match for those samples, which were not thought to be particularly important in the initial stages of the inquiry.
Because the murder scene was on a well used path, scientists have warned detectives leading the investigation that DNA samples found may prove to be red herrings.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEW+JODI+CLUE%3B+DNA+sample+at+death+scene+is+different+from+boyfriend...-a0107744499
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Sandra Lean
CJ Red I noticed that yesterday when I was reading through the comments - still the odd ranting one, but definitely less hateful. I guess even the most die-hard "It was him" believers must be having a bit of a wobble now, with everything that's come out.
Apparently, someone was trying to justify the deposits on Jodi's body as "washing machine transfer" on youtube - all of them, even the untested ones!!! I'd love the see the science supporting that!!! But it's interesting that there are some people out there offering "innocent explanations" for anyone else whose DNA might turn up, before the samples are even tested???
Why would anyone have ‘a wobble’ in relation to ‘lawyers’ Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes innocence fraud
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Psycho killer Luke Mitchell attacked Kara Van Null with a knife in his hand a month before he committed his murder
Sandra Lean may have told her daughters this kind of behaviour is okay but in reality it’s a massive red flag
Has LM's use of his knife in jabbing Jodi at a party been discussed (see article below)?
Piquerism is a sexual interest in penetrating the skin of another person with sharp objects (such as pins, razors, knives, etc.) Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism.
Byline: By Amy Devine
SADIST Luke Mitchell used a knife on Jodi weeks before he murdered and mutilated her. Jodi, 14, writhed in pain as her twisted boyfriend repeatedly jabbed the blade into her leg. She cried out at each blow but Mitchell seemed to be enjoying himself. Mitchell tormented Jodi with the knife at a party, in full view of their friends.
One witness said yesterday: 'It was very disturbing. Luke could see that it hurt and he seemed to be getting a kick out of it.' Mitchell and Jodi went to the party at a friend's house six weeks before the murder. He used the knife to cut up cannabis, then turned on his smitten young girlfriend. One friend who witnessed the abuse said: 'Luke and Jodi were sitting together and he was poking her in the leg with a knife. 'He was jabbing her with it quite hard and she was jumping up and down because of the pain. It seemed a really cruel thing to do.
'One girl was particularly disgusted. She shouted at Luke to put the knife away and told him she would stick it up his a*** if he didn't. He stopped.' The witness added: 'We never dreamed Jodi would be dead weeks later.
'Looking back, it makes my skin crawl to think it was a warning that no one heeded.But we were just kids.' After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. The girl was put on the witness list for Mitchell's trial. But it's understood prosecutors decided not to call her because of concerns that the defence would attack her credibility. It was feared that because drugs were freely available at the party, the jury would be distracted from the real issue - Jodi's murder.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WATCHED+MITCHELL+TORMENT+JODI+WITH+HIS+BLADE.-a0127488534
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Sandra Lean
I guess even the most die-hard "It was him" believers must be having a bit of a wobble now
Straight from a narcissist play book.
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Straight from a narcissist play book.
and/or psychopath
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The following article was published in 2003 by the same paper who Ashlie McNally has recently published her innocence fraud article on dangerous killer Luke Mitchell
Ashlie McNally appears to have carried out zero due diligence
DETECTIVES hunting the killer of Jodi Jones have found DNA at the murder scene different from her boyfriend Luke Mitchell's.
The first genetic fingerprint is a trace of saliva found close to where Jodi was killed in Easthouses, near Dalkeith.
The second is another body fluid capable of providing a breakthrough.
In the early stages of the inquiry, detectives said Jodi may have disturbed her killer committing a sex act.
The two samples are not the only DNA clues found near the spot where 14-year-old Jodi's body was found, close to a path popular with joggers and people walking dogs.
But the clues may take the investigation in a new direction. Detectives have always played down speculation that more than one person was involved in Jodi's murder.
Tests have revealed that the two samples are not from the same person. They have also eliminated Luke, 15, as a possible source.
The Sunday Mail can reveal that the samples were the reason joggers were asked to provide DNA samples last week.
A police source said: ``The team has started initial tests to see if they can find a match for those samples, which were not thought to be particularly important in the initial stages of the inquiry.
``Other DNA samples found at the scene have been seen for a long time as potentially more important.
``But we have to be extremely thorough in looking at every single detail thrown up during the inquiry.''
A police spokesman said: ``We have carried out DNA tests for operational reasons. We are hoping these will help to eliminate possible lines of inquiry.''
Jodi was on her way to meet boyfriend Luke when she was murdered on June 30.
Luke gave a TV interview denying he was her killer on the day of her funeral.
Detectives are still hunting a stocky man seen carrying a rucksack and following Jodi on the day of her death.
Because the murder scene was on a well used path, scientists have warned detectives leading the investigation that DNA samples found may prove to be red herrings.
Meanwhile, the Scottish Executive have publicly declared their full backing for the team leading the inquiry.
Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson voiced her support despite criticisms made by the Mitchell family lawyer Nigel Beaumont.
Mr Beaumont complained that Luke had been handcuffed and his identity made known to the media. He said Luke would be lodging a formal complaint.
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Has LM's use of his knife in jabbing Jodi at a party been discussed (see article below)?
Piquerism is a sexual interest in penetrating the skin of another person with sharp objects (such as pins, razors, knives, etc.) Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism.
Byline: By Amy Devine
SADIST Luke Mitchell used a knife on Jodi weeks before he murdered and mutilated her. Jodi, 14, writhed in pain as her twisted boyfriend repeatedly jabbed the blade into her leg. She cried out at each blow but Mitchell seemed to be enjoying himself. Mitchell tormented Jodi with the knife at a party, in full view of their friends.
One witness said yesterday: 'It was very disturbing. Luke could see that it hurt and he seemed to be getting a kick out of it.' Mitchell and Jodi went to the party at a friend's house six weeks before the murder. He used the knife to cut up cannabis, then turned on his smitten young girlfriend. One friend who witnessed the abuse said: 'Luke and Jodi were sitting together and he was poking her in the leg with a knife. 'He was jabbing her with it quite hard and she was jumping up and down because of the pain. It seemed a really cruel thing to do.
'One girl was particularly disgusted. She shouted at Luke to put the knife away and told him she would stick it up his a*** if he didn't. He stopped.' The witness added: 'We never dreamed Jodi would be dead weeks later.
'Looking back, it makes my skin crawl to think it was a warning that no one heeded.But we were just kids.' After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. The girl was put on the witness list for Mitchell's trial. But it's understood prosecutors decided not to call her because of concerns that the defence would attack her credibility. It was feared that because drugs were freely available at the party, the jury would be distracted from the real issue - Jodi's murder.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WATCHED+MITCHELL+TORMENT+JODI+WITH+HIS+BLADE.-a0127488534
Didn’t innocence fraudster and “lawyer” Sandra Lean claim it was John F erris who witnessed psycho killer Luke Mitchell stabbing Jodi Jones in the leg?
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Has LM's use of his knife in jabbing Jodi at a party been discussed (see article below)?
Piquerism is a sexual interest in penetrating the skin of another person with sharp objects (such as pins, razors, knives, etc.) Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism.
Byline: By Amy Devine
SADIST Luke Mitchell used a knife on Jodi weeks before he murdered and mutilated her. Jodi, 14, writhed in pain as her twisted boyfriend repeatedly jabbed the blade into her leg. She cried out at each blow but Mitchell seemed to be enjoying himself. Mitchell tormented Jodi with the knife at a party, in full view of their friends.
One witness said yesterday: 'It was very disturbing. Luke could see that it hurt and he seemed to be getting a kick out of it.' Mitchell and Jodi went to the party at a friend's house six weeks before the murder. He used the knife to cut up cannabis, then turned on his smitten young girlfriend. One friend who witnessed the abuse said: 'Luke and Jodi were sitting together and he was poking her in the leg with a knife. 'He was jabbing her with it quite hard and she was jumping up and down because of the pain. It seemed a really cruel thing to do.
'One girl was particularly disgusted. She shouted at Luke to put the knife away and told him she would stick it up his a*** if he didn't. He stopped.' The witness added: 'We never dreamed Jodi would be dead weeks later.
'Looking back, it makes my skin crawl to think it was a warning that no one heeded.But we were just kids.' After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. The girl was put on the witness list for Mitchell's trial. But it's understood prosecutors decided not to call her because of concerns that the defence would attack her credibility. It was feared that because drugs were freely available at the party, the jury would be distracted from the real issue - Jodi's murder.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WATCHED+MITCHELL+TORMENT+JODI+WITH+HIS+BLADE.-a0127488534
Would be interested to hear what this women says now knowing the psycho killer also pulled a knife out on Kara Van Null around the same time
Sandra Lean only ever pretended she gave a damn about young girls and a killer being at large
The fact she fails to address the massive red flags around intimate partner femicide is appauling too
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Has LM's use of his knife in jabbing Jodi at a party been discussed (see article below)?
Piquerism is a sexual interest in penetrating the skin of another person with sharp objects (such as pins, razors, knives, etc.) Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism.
Byline: By Amy Devine
SADIST Luke Mitchell used a knife on Jodi weeks before he murdered and mutilated her. Jodi, 14, writhed in pain as her twisted boyfriend repeatedly jabbed the blade into her leg. She cried out at each blow but Mitchell seemed to be enjoying himself. Mitchell tormented Jodi with the knife at a party, in full view of their friends.
One witness said yesterday: 'It was very disturbing. Luke could see that it hurt and he seemed to be getting a kick out of it.' Mitchell and Jodi went to the party at a friend's house six weeks before the murder. He used the knife to cut up cannabis, then turned on his smitten young girlfriend. One friend who witnessed the abuse said: 'Luke and Jodi were sitting together and he was poking her in the leg with a knife. 'He was jabbing her with it quite hard and she was jumping up and down because of the pain. It seemed a really cruel thing to do.
'One girl was particularly disgusted. She shouted at Luke to put the knife away and told him she would stick it up his a*** if he didn't. He stopped.' The witness added: 'We never dreamed Jodi would be dead weeks later.
'Looking back, it makes my skin crawl to think it was a warning that no one heeded.But we were just kids.' After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. The girl was put on the witness list for Mitchell's trial. But it's understood prosecutors decided not to call her because of concerns that the defence would attack her credibility. It was feared that because drugs were freely available at the party, the jury would be distracted from the real issue - Jodi's murder.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WATCHED+MITCHELL+TORMENT+JODI+WITH+HIS+BLADE.-a0127488534
From reading the account of the party it seems that several ‘friends’ saw Luke jabbing Jodi with a knife yet none of them were called as witnesses. Only two possible reasons why that would have happened either a) everyone was so off their faces that they would not have made reliable witnesses or b) it was a fabricated account for financial gain.
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Btw psychopathic innocence fraud killer Adnan Syed has had his murder conviction reinstated
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Krissy Porteous
The news about the 10 samples never being tested is absolutely shocking, I think it really goes to show the level of corruption that has been allowed to happen in this case, I mean if they really, truly believed it was LM that killed jodi then surely they would have tested those samples for instance to see if someone else was involved too, for all they knew he could have had an accomplice but they didn’t even try…. IMO because they knew! Well Shame on them! Shame on every officer that turned a blind eye to further their own career or to stop their failings being discovered, those that let a 14year old schoolboys life be destroyed and his future be sacrificed for their own selfish gains! 90% of evidence destroyed, 10% left…well I hope to god that 10% has the results needed to get that boy/man out and put the real killer behind bars! And that’s if good ‘ole DB allows the defence access to the samples to test them! That woman has far too much power for my liking.
Sandra Lean
Tracy Anderson Kerry Tremble Kevan Krissy Porteous - it's not entirely true that there is no-one higher than her. We - the people of Scotland - collectively, are higher than her. We can force her hand, if we're organised and persistent enough - if it comes to it, I'm confident we will be
The only ‘corruption’ at play is by ‘lawyers’ Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes to the minds of all those people not familiar with the various innocence fraud tactics
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Sandra Lean
Tracy Anderson Kerry Tremble Kevan Krissy Porteous - it's not entirely true that there is no-one higher than her. We - the people of Scotland - collectively, are higher than her. We can force her hand, if we're organised and persistent enough - if it comes to it, I'm confident we will be
You won’t Sandra Lean!
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Sandra Lean
Rachel Roll Oh, look - Rona MacKay again - she who sits on the Criminal Justice Parliamentary Group whilst simultaneously believing there's nothing wrong with our Criminal Justice System and bullying anyone who suggests there might be. Got to admire her blind faith, I suppose!!!!! She never did accept my invitation to talk.
Sandra Lean mocking her followers and their ‘blind faith’ in her
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The following article was published in 2003 by the same paper who Ashlie McNally has recently published her innocence fraud article on dangerous killer Luke Mitchell
Ashlie McNally appears to have carried out zero due diligence
DETECTIVES hunting the killer of Jodi Jones have found DNA at the murder scene different from her boyfriend Luke Mitchell's.
The first genetic fingerprint is a trace of saliva found close to where Jodi was killed in Easthouses, near Dalkeith.
The second is another body fluid capable of providing a breakthrough.
In the early stages of the inquiry, detectives said Jodi may have disturbed her killer committing a sex act.
The two samples are not the only DNA clues found near the spot where 14-year-old Jodi's body was found, close to a path popular with joggers and people walking dogs.
But the clues may take the investigation in a new direction. Detectives have always played down speculation that more than one person was involved in Jodi's murder.
Tests have revealed that the two samples are not from the same person. They have also eliminated Luke, 15, as a possible source.
The Sunday Mail can reveal that the samples were the reason joggers were asked to provide DNA samples last week.
A police source said: ``The team has started initial tests to see if they can find a match for those samples, which were not thought to be particularly important in the initial stages of the inquiry.
``Other DNA samples found at the scene have been seen for a long time as potentially more important.
``But we have to be extremely thorough in looking at every single detail thrown up during the inquiry.''
A police spokesman said: ``We have carried out DNA tests for operational reasons. We are hoping these will help to eliminate possible lines of inquiry.''
Jodi was on her way to meet boyfriend Luke when she was murdered on June 30.
Luke gave a TV interview denying he was her killer on the day of her funeral.
Detectives are still hunting a stocky man seen carrying a rucksack and following Jodi on the day of her death.
Because the murder scene was on a well used path, scientists have warned detectives leading the investigation that DNA samples found may prove to be red herrings.
Meanwhile, the Scottish Executive have publicly declared their full backing for the team leading the inquiry.
Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson voiced her support despite criticisms made by the Mitchell family lawyer Nigel Beaumont.
Mr Beaumont complained that Luke had been handcuffed and his identity made known to the media. He said Luke would be lodging a formal complaint.
Rachel Roll
So many things have came to light recently that are showing the police investigation up for what it really was...a shambles.
I saw a comment on one of the news reports today asking why would the police not test dna found on Jodi's body as if the person commenting was unwilling to believe it because it sounds so ridiculous, but it is true.
10 samples taken from Jodi's body containing bodily fluids that were never tested and hidden from the defence for almost 20 years!
The prosecutions case against Luke was entirely circumstantial no wonder they didn't want these samples uncovered. If it came back not a match to Luke as did all the others their case against him would fall apart.
Yes truly guilty people are often convicted on circumstantial evidence alone but to know that there were forensic avenues not explored and hidden away from the defense for almost 20 years is beyond shocking!
This combined with all the other things revealed recently was not a simple mistake or human error it's gross misconduct in a public office and its about time Police Scotland do the right thing and acknowledge this.
What use was their 'extensive forensic analysis'
when we have a child convicted of murder without any forensic evidence to back up the conviction?
In reality the ‘shambles’ Rachel Roll refers to is ‘lawyer’ Sandra Leans (and dangerous killer Luke Mitchell and his toxic mother Corinne Mitchell’s) fraudulent PR campaign
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Would be interested to hear what this women says now knowing the psycho killer also pulled a knife out on Kara Van Null around the same time
Sandra Lean only ever pretended she gave a damn about young girls and a killer being at large
The fact she fails to address the massive red flags around intimate partner femicide is appauling too
Why did a 14 year old boy have such a knife in the first place? Did his brother have a knife collection? Surely a smaller penknife would have sufficed for his cannabis cutting.
Has CM ever explained why she bought a replacement knife to the missing murder weapon?
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Why did a 14 year old boy have such a knife in the first place? Did his brother have a knife collection? Surely a smaller penknife would have sufficed for his cannabis cutting.
Was the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch a 2002 Christmas present from Corinne Mitchell to her killer son Luke?
This 👇 suggests it was
“However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
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Has CM ever explained why she bought a replacement knife to the missing murder weapon?
Corinne Mitchell’s evidence was that the black handled replacement knife was bought as a 2003 Christmas present
Corinne got her killer son Luke to fill out the catalogue order form apparently and she signed it
They also ordered a talon multi purpose tool - used for camping
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Why did a 14 year old boy have such a knife in the first place? Did his brother have a knife collection? Surely a smaller penknife would have sufficed for his cannabis cutting.
There was talk on the forums of Shane Mitchell having a knife collection at one point but it you look at the photos of psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom you’ll see some of the knifes/swords he’d collected.
Plus Jodi Jones commented to her friend about his knife collection
Several of killer Luke’s knifes also went missing after his murder
No idea where killer Luke/Corinne Mitchell had hidden the black handled replacement knife Corinne got him for Christmas 2003 but if magically reappeared after he was arrested
Corinne pretended she’s hidden in her kitchen and the police missies it but if you look at old video footage of their house in Newbattle Abbey crescent you’ll see that Corinne had a minimal sort of thing going on in her downstairs rooms
There’s no way the police would have missed a knife during their search - especially given the fact this is one of the items they would have been looking for
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Why did a 14 year old boy have such a knife in the first place?
Looks very much like killer Luke Mitchell’s school had got wind of his knife carrying/collection - at least by August 2003
“Officials say the exclusion was prompted by concern for Luke's wellbeing, and discipline at the school
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/21/ukcrime.kirstyscott
Nigel Beaumont, the Edinburgh solicitor representing Luke's family, said he was being excluded for no good reason. "He is very unhappy about it," Mr Beaumont said.
Carrying knives in school was most definitely a good reason for excluding him at this time - especially given the circumstances
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Tracey Struthers
A fresh reporter, reporting facts and not lies. Its taken them 20 yrs to write a factual piece on Luke's case. As much as it's angers me of their wrongdoings I really hope they continue to report on Jodi's murder and Luke's case. A complete u-turn that was needed.
Sandra Lean
Tracey Struthers I totally agree Tracey - I know there are many of us who are so angry at their coverage in the past - and no amount of accurate reporting now could ever make up for that - but the fact that they ARE starting to report responsibly can only be a good thing - and long may it continue!!!
These ‘fresh reporters’ appear to have carried out zero due diligence
And Ashlie McNally doesn’t appear to be aware of what the Daily record had reported over 19 years ago
How many joggers came forward to say they’d been on the Roan’s dyke path/and nearby areas and been expectorating (bodily fluids) during their runs?
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Tracey Struthers
A fresh reporter, reporting facts and not lies. Its taken them 20 yrs to write a factual piece on Luke's case. As much as it's angers me of their wrongdoings I really hope they continue to report on Jodi's murder and Luke's case. A complete u-turn that was needed.
Sandra Lean
Tracey Struthers I totally agree Tracey - I know there are many of us who are so angry at their coverage in the past - and no amount of accurate reporting now could ever make up for that - but the fact that they ARE starting to report responsibly can only be a good thing - and long may it continue!!!
These ‘fresh reporters’ appear to have carried out zero due diligence
And Ashlie McNally doesn’t appear to be aware of what the Mail on Sunday had reported over 19 years ago
How many joggers came forward to say they’d been on the Roan’s dyke path/and nearby areas and been expectorating (bodily fluids) during their runs?
Sandra Lean has never mentioned any of the jogger witnesses in the area around the time as far as I’m aware
“The Sunday Mail can reveal that the samples were the reason joggers were asked to provide DNA samples last week ~ 2003.
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Sandra Lean
CJ Red I noticed that yesterday when I was reading through the comments - still the odd ranting one, but definitely less hateful. I guess even the most die-hard "It was him" believers must be having a bit of a wobble now, with everything that's come out.
Apparently, someone was trying to justify the deposits on Jodi's body as "washing machine transfer" on youtube - all of them, even the untested ones!!! I'd love the see the science supporting that!!! But it's interesting that there are some people out there offering "innocent explanations" for anyone else whose DNA might turn up, before the samples are even tested???
What did the Scottish criminal cases review commission (SCCRC) say about ‘lawyer’ and proxy ‘dna forensic expert’ Sandra Leans 10 dna samples back in 2013/14
Did the SCCRC comment on the joggers and all the other people who had used the path/area around the time and on why their dna may have ended up on Jodi Jones body and clothing by the time forensic testing was carried out?
“Mitchell, now 25, has maintained his innocence and lodged a number of unsuccessful appeals.
His case was referred to the SCCRC, who will instruct independent experts to study crime scene evidence, including 10 DNA samples, three of them mixed with Jodi’s.
“It is believed scientists will study “Low Copy Number” DNA after breakthroughs in examination and identification techniques, allowing them to identify samples and isolate DNA strands.
“Criminologist Dr Sandra Lean, who has led the fight to free him, said she had studied the DNA reports while preparing his SCCRC application.
She added: “Numerous samples indicating the presence of forensic material were found on Jodi’s clothing and body.
“We’re told modern forensics can obtain profiles from tiny samples. If that’s the case, it must be reasonable to assume the person or persons from whom those samples originated can now be identified.
“We hope it takes us a step closer to knowing who was really involved.”
Around 100 DNA samples and 300 pieces of forensic evidence were examined in the original investigation.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/427928/New-DNA-tests-over-murdered-teen-Jodi
How many samples did the SCCRC test?
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Laura Francis
Seen a guy in grangemouth Asda this morning with a #LukeMitchellIsInnocent hoodie on... Just wanted to say if your in here, I seen you and well done for spreading the word 👍
Sandra Lean
I love this - in the middle of all the heavy, serious stuff, there's Stuart Henderson and his sweatshirt, happily spreading the word as he goes about his normal day. And another group member sees him - properly made me smile!!!
Stuart Henderson @StuartH79224390
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. Emma Harris
I finished Naomi channells podcast, through the wall. Fantastic podcast, very informative and just reinforces every off feeling you have after reading about the case online. listening to poor luke at the end broke my heart especially talking about trying to see his maw and the barriers the system are using to keep him from building up evidence of being in the community. Then the next podcast automatically played. Naomi talks to a man who’s saint of a mother took in a homeless man, one of many homeless people she’s helped, fed or sheltered. This homeless man she took in out of the blue stabbed her in the neck in her own home while they watched tv. He then talked to her, kept watching tv, helped her to use the bathroom while she was bleeding and dying, then stabbed her again on the other side of her neck and continued to watch tv with her on the floor bleeding to her death. He used a scalpel on her as well as a bread knife and tortured her with the scalpel between the fatal stabs to the neck. This man had already been in the prison system before this and let out with known diagnosis of schizophrenia, and known childhood trauma, with no support or medication. This man has been in a psychiatric institution for 7 years and is being released this December! Unbelievable. I signed the petition calling to keep this man inside to serve an actual sentence for this brutal murder, also because I don’t believe this system has come to this decision based on the safety of the public in anyway. Meanwhile luke is a model prisoner, protesting his innocence for near 20 years, passing lie detectors, having every appeal swatted away, being told that if he reaches out to speak to press it will be seen as a sign of violent behaviour to come (wtf?) and being told IF he does get to visit his ill mother at her home then he’s be heavily guarded AND double handcuffed. But this murderer in a prison down south is about to be released to the public for the same crime of murder with no protest of his innocence and a history of violence leading up to committing murder, after just 7 years and none of it spent in an actual jail. It’s absolutely mind blowing.
However in the case of jodi jones murder the police and the justice system failed her the most. She fought for her life, she fought for the dna and other evidence to show us what happened to her and who did it. The police took over this fight for her and instead of taking up the fight they left her uncovered in the woods over night in the rain, they moved her before any forensics had investigated the scene or her body. And now they’ve actually destroyed what Jodi spent her last moments fighting to get.
Sorry I’ve no actual questions here but I’ve just been unable to shift the angry feeling since listening and comparing the 2 cases, and finding out the police destroyed jodis evidence, possibly her best chance of identifying her killer
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How many samples did the SCCRC test?
10 years on, DNA tests ordered in review of Jodi killing
Scottish Daily Mail 9th September 2013 by Victoria Allen
“The brutal murder of schoolgirl Jodi Jones is to be reinvestigated using DNA technology, it emerged yesterday.
Ten years after the teenager’s death, the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) has reopened the case and ordered new forensic tests.
Her boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, is serving a life sentence for the murder – but DNA found on Jodi’s clothes could not be matched with him.
Now new advances in technology could use just a few skin cells to either place him at the scene or support Mitchell’s claims that he is innocent.
Mitchell was found guilty in 2005 and will serve at least 20 years in prison for the crime.
Now 25 and held at high-security Shotts prison in Lanarkshire, he was said yesterday to be ‘delighted’ by the new developments.
The fresh forensic tests could focus on male DNA found in a knot on the right leg of Jodi’s jeans, which were used to tie her hands, or on the fly button or zip.
These were previously tested, but a clear genetic profile of the killer could not be found. It is understood this is because the samples retrieved were too small but, a decade on, a profile can be created from just a few skin cells.
Criminologist Dr Sandra Lean, who – alongside Mitchell’s mother Corinne – has led the campaign to clear his name, said yesterday:
‘We hope this will pave the way to him being freed. The evidence used to convict Luke was so poor and there was so little of it. A 14-year-old girl was butchered and the man who did it is still out there.
‘Luke has a combination of feelings about this – he is obviously pleased this is finally getting looked at but there is an element of frustration and anger that it has taken so long.’
Mrs Mitchell said: ‘I am happy this is finally being done, but furious it wasn’t done ten years ago. There was no evidence against Luke – end of.’
The Scottish Daily Mail was unable to reach Judy Jones, Jodi’s mother, but she has previously branded Mitchell a ‘sociopath’ and expressed her relief that his repeated appeals against his conviction have failed.
On the day Jodi was killed, she was going to meet Mitchell, then aged 14. Her family reported her missing when she failed to return home. It was her teenage ‘ goth’ boyfriend who joined the search and found Jodi’s body behind a wall beside a path in the woods, with ritualistic slash marks across her eyelids, cheek, breast, abdomen and forearm.
The SCCRC has not confirmed which items from the crime scene will be re-examined, but Mitchell’s defence team believes the tests will focus on Jodi’s trousers. Other items of her clothing, including her T- shirt, underwear and trainers, may also hold DNA evidence.
The Scottish Government-funded quango, which investigates potential miscarriages of justice, will ask the Crown Office for the items it wishes to test before sending them to an independent laboratory for analysis.
Mitchell’s first appeal against his conviction was refused by senior judges in Scotland in 2008. In 2011, the UK Supreme Court ruled there were no grounds for further appeal and announced the case ‘closed’.
Last year he passed a lie detector test in jail, denying he had stabbed Jodi, but this has no legal validity in the British courts.
Mitchell’s defence team believe Robert Greens, the man known as the Da Vinci rapist, should have been investigated in connection with the murder.
Greens attacked a young woman in 2005, close to the Rosslyn Chapel in Midlothian, which appeared in the novel and film of The Da Vinci Code. He raped his victim at knifepoint and left her so badly beaten she looked as if she had been in a car crash.
At the time of Jodi’s murder, he regularly visited a relative living near to where her body was found.
A SCCRC spokesman has confirmed it is investigating the case, but added: ‘Once we have accepted a case for review, we are unable to say more with regard to the details of the investigation.’
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20130909/281595238208599
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10 years on, DNA tests ordered in review of Jodi killing
Scottish Daily Mail 9th September 2013 by Victoria Allen
“The brutal murder of schoolgirl Jodi Jones is to be reinvestigated using DNA technology, it emerged yesterday.
Ten years after the teenager’s death, the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) has reopened the case and ordered new forensic tests.
Her boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, is serving a life sentence for the murder – but DNA found on Jodi’s clothes could not be matched with him.
Now new advances in technology could use just a few skin cells to either place him at the scene or support Mitchell’s claims that he is innocent.
Mitchell was found guilty in 2005 and will serve at least 20 years in prison for the crime.
Now 25 and held at high-security Shotts prison in Lanarkshire, he was said yesterday to be ‘delighted’ by the new developments.
The fresh forensic tests could focus on male DNA found in a knot on the right leg of Jodi’s jeans, which were used to tie her hands, or on the fly button or zip.
These were previously tested, but a clear genetic profile of the killer could not be found. It is understood this is because the samples retrieved were too small but, a decade on, a profile can be created from just a few skin cells.
Criminologist Dr Sandra Lean, who – alongside Mitchell’s mother Corinne – has led the campaign to clear his name, said yesterday:
‘We hope this will pave the way to him being freed. The evidence used to convict Luke was so poor and there was so little of it. A 14-year-old girl was butchered and the man who did it is still out there.
‘Luke has a combination of feelings about this – he is obviously pleased this is finally getting looked at but there is an element of frustration and anger that it has taken so long.’
Mrs Mitchell said: ‘I am happy this is finally being done, but furious it wasn’t done ten years ago. There was no evidence against Luke – end of.’
The Scottish Daily Mail was unable to reach Judy Jones, Jodi’s mother, but she has previously branded Mitchell a ‘sociopath’ and expressed her relief that his repeated appeals against his conviction have failed.
On the day Jodi was killed, she was going to meet Mitchell, then aged 14. Her family reported her missing when she failed to return home. It was her teenage ‘ goth’ boyfriend who joined the search and found Jodi’s body behind a wall beside a path in the woods, with ritualistic slash marks across her eyelids, cheek, breast, abdomen and forearm.
The SCCRC has not confirmed which items from the crime scene will be re-examined, but Mitchell’s defence team believes the tests will focus on Jodi’s trousers. Other items of her clothing, including her T- shirt, underwear and trainers, may also hold DNA evidence.
The Scottish Government-funded quango, which investigates potential miscarriages of justice, will ask the Crown Office for the items it wishes to test before sending them to an independent laboratory for analysis.
Mitchell’s first appeal against his conviction was refused by senior judges in Scotland in 2008. In 2011, the UK Supreme Court ruled there were no grounds for further appeal and announced the case ‘closed’.
Last year he passed a lie detector test in jail, denying he had stabbed Jodi, but this has no legal validity in the British courts.
Mitchell’s defence team believe Robert Greens, the man known as the Da Vinci rapist, should have been investigated in connection with the murder.
Greens attacked a young woman in 2005, close to the Rosslyn Chapel in Midlothian, which appeared in the novel and film of The Da Vinci Code. He raped his victim at knifepoint and left her so badly beaten she looked as if she had been in a car crash.
At the time of Jodi’s murder, he regularly visited a relative living near to where her body was found.
A SCCRC spokesman has confirmed it is investigating the case, but added: ‘Once we have accepted a case for review, we are unable to say more with regard to the details of the investigation.’
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20130909/281595238208599
So what samples did the SCCRC test, what exactly were the results and what did the SCCRC say about the other samples ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean submitted to them?
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“How does a journalist do the job of letting the public know what is going on, in a case evoking widespread outrage and fear, whilst protecting vulnerable participants and the presumption of innocence?
“The defence made an early, unsuccessful attempt to have the BBC found in contempt for reporting on the planned reconstruction of the wall behind which the victim's body was found.
The Telegraph was also called into court to apologise for an article it published early in the trial
Defence counsel apparently even objected at one point to being sketched by BBC courtroom artist Julia Quenzler, who had flown up from London for the trial.
Broadcasters especially began to struggle to make meaningful packages
Then along comes grifter and ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean and her innocence fraud narratives, along with ‘psychology student’ Colin Bowman
The tight Scottish approach to identification evidence means photographs of the accused are rarely shown.
In the Mitchell trial, however, it was made clear by the judge that shots of the crime-scene might themselves amount to contempt.
This unusual stricture began to make sense as the Crown's case developed, but would have been difficult to predict.
The trial judge, although in no way obstructive to the media's need to do their job, felt unable to give a pre-trial briefing, beyond saying that the media could report what went on in court.
For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps - which the people in this public court were seeing; hence the poignant over-use of the home video of Jodi Jones.
The challenge to make television coverage relevant and comprehensible, especially when the evidence was complicated and circumstantial, was at least partly mitigated by the courtroom sketches, but increased as the weeks wore on.
In the context of the trial of a young man for the brutal murder of a young girl, reporters' difficulties pall into insignificance.
A combination of factors in the Jodi Jones murder trial, however - the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
Grifter and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean exploited the reporting on this case and has drip fed anyone who has been charmed and/or manipulated by her false, misleading and often times disingenuous nonsense.
She is now claiming - without saying so - joggers spit might find an imaginary killer
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All this from a woman who appears to have put her own needs before her two daughters
Because she appears to have been too busy either at college/university, dating an alleged psychopath (Simon from her acknowledgment section in No Smoke), writing a book about guilty killers.
Then going on to date and into partnership with an un-convicted baby killer and sexual predator and travelling around the UK and Scotland with him in a former post office van - pretending to the Scottsh centre for crime and justice research she was ‘interviewing’ people for her fraudulent PhD.
Producing a podcast on a sexually deviant killer (Matthew Hamlen), writing another innocence fraud book on a sadistic psycho killer and his enabling mother ….
And some joggers spit or a dogs saliva might find an imaginary killer - who in reality has been in prison for the past 17/18 years
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Tracey Struthers
A fresh reporter, reporting facts and not lies. Its taken them 20 yrs to write a factual piece on Luke's case. As much as it's angers me of their wrongdoings I really hope they continue to report on Jodi's murder and Luke's case. A complete u-turn that was needed.
Sandra Lean
Tracey Struthers I totally agree Tracey - I know there are many of us who are so angry at their coverage in the past - and no amount of accurate reporting now could ever make up for that - but the fact that they ARE starting to report responsibly can only be a good thing - and long may it continue!!!
Sandra Lean pretending to be ‘angry’ with the ‘coverage in the past’
The same ‘coverage’ she used to write and publish a book on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, and 6 other dangerous, guilty killers innocence fraud
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Not one of these ‘reporters’ has reported responsibly - or accurately - and some of them are simply repeating what deluded dupe Ashlee McNally wrote and published
Always a red flag when fraudster Sandra Lean makes the claim - ‘the fact they ARE starting to report responsibly’
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And almost as bad as when she stated ‘I love podcasters who really do their homework’ about Naomi Channell
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/25/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-matthew-elliotts-friend-gravy-train-jumper-naomi-channell-part-133/
Naomi Channell most definitely did NOT do her ‘homework’!
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Always a red flag when fraudster Sandra Lean makes the claim - ‘the fact they ARE starting to report responsibly’
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Then there’s David Wilson over on Twitter
Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
I became increasingly aware of how the stairs were being used to hurt and even to kill while researching my latest book #murderathome - I even suggested a term for this “descendre mal”.
dailymail.co.uk
Policeman, 23, convicted of controlling and coercive behaviour
Thomas Gair, 23, pushed his pregnant girlfriend Chloe Bradley down the stairs at their home in Norton, Teesside after three years of abusive behaviour.
11:30 AM · Mar 28, 2023
https://twitter.com/ProfDavidWilson/status/1640662679760130049
Interesting that a ‘criminologist’ who would usually look at the reasons why people commit crimes and find ways to reduce re-offending, comes up with a term many people may not know the meaning of.
And yet doesn’t advise the readers of his book with stairs in their homes to install smart cameras at the top and bottom of them
Crime scene: Descendre mal . . . a calculating murder by any other name
Professor David Wilson's next book is going to describe how the different rooms of our houses have been harnessed to facilitate murder , including the staircase.
“I have seen lots of stories recently about people falling from windows.
Some have died, some haven’t but what really grabbed my attention?
Well, I’m currently researching my next book, which is going to describe how the different rooms of our houses have been harnessed to facilitate murder and I’ve been expecting to find some contemporary cases of defenestration.
This is a French word which literally means to be thrown out of a window to your death – you are “de” “fenestrated” and the French for window is la fenetre.
I suppose that most people will now associate this method of murder with Bran in Game of Thrones being pushed from the window by Jamie.
In the hope of keeping his incestuous affair secret, Jamie pushes Bran from the window, although Bran survived the fall.
However, there are also some very real cases of defenestration including the “Defenestration of Prague” in 1618, which started the Thirty Years War, and of course William, Earl of Douglas, was thrown to his death from a window in Stirling Castle by James II in 1452.
In my research for the book I did find a number of contemporary examples in Canada, China and America of murder by defenestration but I couldn’t discover any recent British cases at all.
This is perhaps because the design of windows has changed so much that this type of crime has been made more
difficult.
But what took me by surprise was the extraordinary number of murders that take place in Britain where the victim has been pushed down the stairs.
This is perhaps because the design of windows has changed so much that this type of crime has been made more
difficult.
This type of murder – although the charge was often later reduced to manslaughter (or culpable homicide in Scotland) – invariably occurred after the victim and the perpetrator had been drinking and there had been some kind of disagreement.
The victim was often described as being “wobbly on their feet”.
There was therefore no intention to kill the victim – there was no mens rea or “guilty mind” on the part of the perpetrator – and hence the charge of manslaughter, rather than murder.
But who is to say that this was the case, especially if there were no witnesses to speak up on behalf of the victim?
It also made me wonder about all the “accidents” that are recorded involving the stairs and which lead to a death might have been the result of something more sinister.
I also discovered that there is in fact no technical criminological, or legal term to describe a murder or manslaughter that is the result of the victim being pushed down the stairs.
That set me thinking.
What could I call this form of crime?
I thought about the word defenestration and again took my inspiration from the French language and this is what I have come up with – “descendre mal”. Literally to descend badly, as descendre in French means to “come down” and mal is “wrong” and also the root of “malevolent”.
So you heard it here first – descendre mal – is the new term that I am proposing to use if someone gets pushed down the stairs.
Oh, and don’t get me started on the unique role that kitchens have played in the history of murder in Britain – that will have to wait until the book is published in 2022.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/descendre-mal----24915030
David Wilson is another innocence fraud pusher who suggested Carl Bridgewater might have been murdered by killer Bert Spencer, even though Patrick Molloy, James Robinson and cousins Michael and Vincent Hickey only ever had their murder (Patrick Malloy was convicted for manslaughter) convictions deemed ‘unsafe’.
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Gary Peden
Another item that was denied that ever existed was the story written about killing a girl in the woods cannot remember the land's name who wrote it but they actually had that still in productions, yet they lied!! The people being trust our safety and well-being with telling blatant lies, it is playing out like a Hollywood movie
Sandra Lean
Gary Peden I was looking at the lists yesterday - there was the essay, the re-write of the essay, some poetry and an envelope of "writing" - all of it kept from the defence. Now, they denied the existence of the essay, but what, I wonder, was in the poetry and the envelope of "writing" (presumably all connected to the same person) that they felt compelled to keep it completely hidden? I mean, they took it, so they must have thought it was related in some way? Sadly, we'll never know, now, but it really does make you wonder, doesn't it???
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In reality Sandra Lean does not know!
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Sandra Lean
Absolutely Rachel Roll - they are, on the one hand, at pains to point out that the prosecution case "wasn't founded on DNA evidence," but, on the other, claiming that "extensive forensic analysis" was carried out. Why?
There are two possibilities - they knew that founding the case on forensic evidence would have cleared Luke, and they couldn't risk that, or they used their extremely poor "forensic analysis" to make it look like no stone was being left unturned, knowing, all along, that it was nothing more than a smokescreen
No they did not Sandra Lean!
You’ve been making it up as you go along - for almost 20 years!
The ‘smokescreen’ is your own
Around 100 DNA samples and 300 pieces of forensic evidence were examined in the original investigation.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/427928/New-DNA-tests-over-murdered-teen-Jodi
How many samples did the SCCRC test - what were the results - and what exactly did the SCCRC say about the dna ?
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Then there’s David Wilson over on Twitter
Prof David Wilson
David Wilson is another innocence fraud pusher who suggested Carl Bridgewater might have been murdered by killer Bert Spencer, even though Patrick Molloy, James Robinson and cousins Michael and Vincent Hickey only ever had their murder (Patrick Malloy was convicted for manslaughter) convictions deemed ‘unsafe’.
For all his faults, David Wilson does not include LM in his innocence campaigns. One of Mitchell's defenders wrote to him recently and he replied that he did not share their concerns over the case.
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From reading the account of the party it seems that several ‘friends’ saw Luke jabbing Jodi with a knife yet none of them were called as witnesses. Only two possible reasons why that would have happened either a) everyone was so off their faces that they would not have made reliable witnesses or b) it was a fabricated account for financial gain.
It states in the article why she wasn't called. And did the Mitchell's not give their fabricated account to Sky TV for free? Maybe not everyone that speaks to the press asks for money. Or what if it was a true account for a minor financial gain - would that make a difference.
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Nichola Horrell
I know, I always think that too - a brutal murderer is living their life as normal while Luke has lost his young years. So unfair 😢
Nichola Horrell
And who knows if the real murderer has struck again either before or after Jodie?
Sandra Lean
Nichola Horrell Saran Louisa Carmichael It's what got me started in this work and has kept me going for 20 years - if Luke didn't do this, someone else did and we have no idea who that someone else is. (Or possibly, those someones).
There are so many critics who say "there have been no similar murders in Scotland since Jodi" - not only is it not true, but, from where the murder happened, you can be over the border into England in just over an hour - there is no "joining up" of English police forces with Scottish ones, so if similar murders happened in England, they would never even look for a link!
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Example: Page 80/81 (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/)
”Given the purely circumstantial nature of the Simon Hall case, it would seem pertinent to introduce other circumstantial events that may require further examination.
At 12.30pm, Sunday 25th November 2005 (exactly 3 weeks prior to the discovery of Mrs Albert’s body) Mabel Leyshon (90) was found dead in her home in Lon Pant, Llanfairpwll, on Anglesey. She had been stabbed repeatedly, following a break-in.
The similarities are striking, both were elderly women living alone, both were subjected to brutal and frenzied knife attacks, both had their houses broken into, and both were killed on a Saturday night and discovered on a Sunday.
Both were also security conscious, Bothere confirmed alive and well on the Saturday. ~ Sandra Lean
Psychopathic killer Mathew Hardman was arrested and convicted of the murder of Mabel Leyshon in 2002 - SIX YEARS BEFORE SANDRA LEAN PUBLISHED HER BOOK!
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It states in the article why she wasn't called. And did the Mitchell's not give their fabricated account to Sky TV for free? Maybe not everyone that speaks to the press asks for money. Or what if it was a true account for a minor financial gain - would that make a difference.
Read the article.
“ One witness said yesterday:”
“ One friend who witnessed the abuse said
“ One girl was particularly disgusted”
“ After Jodi's murder, one of her friends told police what had happened at the party. ”
From the article these witnesses appear to be different people. All these witnesses to the same event and not one is called to give evidence in court. Surely once the girl who, allegedly, was put on the witness list, went to the police they would have sought to identify and find all of the other party goers? Corroboration would have been helpful It shouldn’t have been hard. That kind of evidence would have been prosecution gold….Luke actually abusing Jodi with a knife…yet not one eyewitness called to give an account of the incident.
Similarly we are told that the witness wasn’t called because her credibility would be questioned because of the drugs at the party yet Tulloch and High were known to be smoking cannabis with Luke on the night of Jodi’s murder and they were still called to give evidence. Cannabis use didn’t appear to dent their credibility. Rum one that!
Makes you wonder if there ever was an incident…or a witness?
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Makes you wonder if there ever was an incident…or a witness?
There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?
It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.
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There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?
It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.
Of course it’s quite possible these girls were put forward as witnesses for the prosecution but either refused to testify or were rejected by the defence team on some legal technicality.
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There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?
It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.
As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.
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As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.
You will of course have proof that the witness was paid, oh wait - no you won’t, you never do.
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As far as I’m aware there are no incidents of Luke harming any girls with knives. Care to expand? There is 3 alleged incidents of Luke threatening girls with a knife….all three’s value to the prosecution can’t be overstated yet not one was called to give evidence in court. In fact it appears that at least two of the witnesses only ‘revealed their trauma’ when it was financially expedient to do so. The other, if she even exists, lacked the credibility to be called as a witness.
There is 15 page post on this forum that discusses LM's knife incidents. Is climbing on top of an 11 year old girl with a knife demanding a kiss or creeping up behind his third girlfriend at the time (KVN & KT & [Name removed]) with a balaclava saying he would gut her not extreme psychological harm? Or jabbing [Name removed] in the leg with a hunting knife in front of her friends.
You have not said if you think Forbes is a credible witness/author?
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There is 15 page post on this forum that discusses LM's knife incidents. Is climbing on top of an 11 year old girl with a knife demanding a kiss or creeping up behind his third girlfriend at the time (KVN & KT & [Name removed]) with a balaclava saying he would gut her not extreme psychological harm? Or jabbing [Name removed] in the leg with a hunting knife in front of her friends.
You have not said if you think Forbes is a credible witness/author?
Are all the 15 pages based on court testimony on oath or tabloid articles?
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Are all the 15 pages based on court testimony on oath or tabloid articles?
You have posted on that 15 page topic so shouldn't need reminded. You've not said if you back S Forbes views or not though? Remember his book was "fact checked" by SL yet contained different versions of key events.
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You have posted on that 15 page topic so shouldn't need reminded. You've not said if you back S Forbes views or not though? Remember his book was "fact checked" by SL yet contained different versions of key events.
I post on a lot of topics so it’s hard to keep track. However I can tell by your answer to my question that, yes, the 15 pages are based on tabloid articles.
As to Forbes all I can say is that he has greater access to information on the case than anyone here. Is he credible? Like all sources his claims need to be treated with caution until corroborated.
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How many samples did the SCCRC test - what were the results - and what exactly did the SCCRC say about the dna ?
I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to those questions myself, Nicholas. The only thing I've read which mentions the SCCRC's tests and results pertaining to the DNA in this case was from an old Daily Mail article (link provided below). Interestingly, it states that, as well as LM's human rights being breached during several police interviews (the sccrc took the view that LM was treated as a suspect from July 1st 2003 and, as such, should've been allowed access to a lawyer at all times; and, just as significantly, they also took the view that the crown breached his human rights by allowing evidence to be led in court from 3 police interviews -- between July 1st 2003 and 14th August 2003 -- without a lawyer), they found 2 tiny, previously undiscovered samples (from -- likely -- semen and possibly other body fluids) on the top of Jodi's trousers NOT from LM. I always thought these previously undiscovered samples were from LM, so that is a bit of a concern (unless, of course, they were transferred innocently). Does anyone know who these samples were attributable to? Quite an important question. As usual, tbe DNA in this case continues to confound and bewilder.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20140706/281801397063449
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It appears the untested samples story has made its way to the Times.
http://archive.today/2023.03.27-051824/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-failed-to-test-for-dna-says-lawyer-in-jodi-jones-case-0t9psqzsg
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And they've fallen for Forbes' "I'm a lawyer" baloney!
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And they've fallen for Forbes' "I'm a lawyer" baloney!
Those 200 year old papers are soooo easy to fool, aren’t they?
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Those 200 year old papers are soooo easy to fool, aren’t they?
@)(++(* So now Murdoch's Press is on your side of the argument it's full of integrity and decency. I wonder how much Mr Forbes was paid for his interview, eh/ ;-)
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There are so many alleged incidents around LM threatening or harming girls with knives since aged 12 and bragging to friends how he fantasises about killing someone. Are they all untrue or just in it for the money. And why did he have such a knife at that age?
It's incredulous that you cannot accept reported facts yet wholeheartedly believe the speculation and theories of Lean and Forbes. In Forbes case, a drug addled ex-armed robber who regularly appears on podcasts chewing his lip and sniffing due to substance use. Perhaps not the most credible witness also given his previous attempts at fraud and extortion.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn there were other knife incidents around sadistic killer Luke Mitchell that haven’t been reported on
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Sandra Lean is back to recording videos in her house - instead of that van
She claims at the beginning of the latest nonsense that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell ‘offered’ to go looking for Jodi Jones - several hours after he’s murdered her
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Sandra Lean omits to mention the fact that the killer initially told police it was his mother Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion that he go out looking - which appears to have been all part of the attempted cover up in the early hours of the investigation
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How many samples did the SCCRC test - what were the results - and what exactly did the SCCRC say about the dna ?
I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to those questions myself, Nicholas. The only thing I've read which mentions the SCCRC's tests and results pertaining to the DNA in this case was from an old Daily Mail article (link provided below). Interestingly, it states that, as well as LM's human rights being breached during several police interviews (the sccrc took the view that LM was treated as a suspect from July 1st 2003 and, as such, should've been allowed access to a lawyer at all times; and, just as significantly, they also took the view that the crown breached his human rights by allowing evidence to be led in court from 3 police interviews -- between July 1st 2003 and 14th August 2003 -- without a lawyer), they found 2 tiny, previously undiscovered samples (from -- likely -- semen and possibly other body fluids) on the top of Jodi's trousers NOT from LM. I always thought these previously undiscovered samples were from LM, so that is a bit of a concern (unless, of course, they were transferred innocently). Does anyone know who these samples were attributable to? Quite an important question. As usual, tbe DNA in this case continues to confound and bewilder.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-scottish-mail-on-sunday/20140706/281801397063449
Without seeing the Scottish criminal cases review commissions (SCCRC) statement of reasons I wouldn’t pay much heed to what a journalist has written
Plus then it’s down to whoever’s interpretation has been included in the statement of reasons
It does seem obvious though that the SCCRC thought killer Luke Mitchell was guilty
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Jacqueline Johnson
I've just sat and watched the latest podcast, I will certainly be taking your advice Sandra Lean and writing to question these new process which leave no paper trail. I've said before I never beleived Luke was guilty from the day he was found guilty, the lack of forensic evidence convinced me. I've never been influenced by the media as I know how dangerous they can be. The people of Scotland need to beleive in a justice system which is transparent and fair. We have seen none of this here. I beleive that there are many people out there who have not signed the petition who would be willing to now. I also agree we need to protest in numbers.Regardless of whether politicians want to get involved, they have too get involved. They most definitely need to listen to the people of Scotland.
Grifter Sandra Lean is no different to the ‘dangerous’ media
Does Jacqueline Johnson not realise the content of most of Sandra Leans first book was founded of the ‘dangerous’ media narratives
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Jacqueline Johnson
I've just sat and watched the latest podcast, I will certainly be taking your advice Sandra Lean and writing to question these new process which leave no paper trail. I've said before I never beleived Luke was guilty from the day he was found guilty, the lack of forensic evidence convinced me. I've never been influenced by the media as I know how dangerous they can be. The people of Scotland need to beleive in a justice system which is transparent and fair. We have seen none of this here. I beleive that there are many people out there who have not signed the petition who would be willing to now. I also agree we need to protest in numbers.Regardless of whether politicians want to get involved, they have too get involved. They most definitely need to listen to the people of Scotland.
People will be wasting their time contacting any politician based on anything grifter Sandra Lean says about the case
The media reporters , who don’t carry out their due diligence, might write articles about the circumstantial dna samples but none of these stories will make an iota of difference to psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell’s convictions
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Dani Justice
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie just think of how much has been said and thrown at Luke and his family. A wee tosser saying nasty things is nothing says more about them saying stuff like that. Would he say that to Luke himself after he's found innocent in law forensics and public opinion? They think Luke is a wee 14 year old boy who they can bully but Luke is a man now and these comments are just that words and empty threats mean nothing for what is coming will topple the Scottish justice to its knees. Let the plebs say bad nasty things if that's what they want 😏 . First time in 20 years there her 100s now defending Luke and that is why these wee farts are annoyed haha.
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Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@InnocenceFraudW
@SacredGeoInt
and 2 others
Who killed himself, who raped an old lady, who married him.
Stephanie Hall
6:53 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
Heather do not even bother engaging with that thing ! I blocked ages ago! Waste of energy
6:55 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@danitoe
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
You're right, it's a nasty evil s..m of a woman
6:57 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
Continue educating those who will listen and have a proper conversation and discussion...no chance with the thing at all. X
7:00 pm · 29 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/Truth4Luke/status/1641136451042570242
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Heather
@Truth4Luke
A Must Watch 4 Updated info on how rotten 2 the core this whole investigation has been.
Semen on Jodi's bum,who does it belong too? I'd assume Steven Kelly as his sperm is on her tee.Why are all the men implicated not screaming 4 the samples to be tested https://youtu.be/d7ELDtUUcr4
3:24 pm · 30 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/Truth4Luke/status/1641446260480811009
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Cameron Russell
Cheers, watching it now. Surly it’s coming on top now. I know if my name was getting mentioned and I was innocent, I would be getting my side across. If Scott and Sandra are lying, surely they would get in trouble
Sandra Lean
Cameron Russell I'd have to have been one hell of a liar, as well, to have never slipped up once in 20 years!!!!
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I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to those questions myself, Nicholas. The only thing I've read which mentions the SCCRC's tests and results pertaining to the DNA in this case was from an old Daily Mail article (link provided below). Interestingly, it states that, as well as LM's human rights being breached during several police interviews (the sccrc took the view that LM was treated as a suspect from July 1st 2003
During his 1st July 2003 killer Luke Mitchell had his mother Corinne Mitchell sat next to him
And there were times during this interview where he would ask his mother questions to aide his evidence
Like for example saying to Corinne “Shane wasn’t there was he”
Killer Luke Mitchell also told police during this first interview that he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
And this appears to have occurred prior to receiving a text message from Judith Jones
Corinne Mitchell’s stated during her killer sons trail;
“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
All her telephone calls to her killer son were ignored
Then at 00:30hrs on the 1st of July 2003 killer Luke telephoned his mother allegedly saying to her;
“I can't talk, I have to go”
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That misogynistic creep Roddy McLeod/Barrheadboy referring to Jodi Jones as ‘darlin’’ then making claim Janine Jones knowingly gave her sister a t-shirt with Stephen Kelly’s sperm on it to wear
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And equally creepy Sandra Lean with yet more of her bs and attempting to dupe anyone who listens to her into thinking circumstantial dna will solve a solved crime
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Interestingly, it states that, as well as LM's human rights being breached during several police interviews (the sccrc took the view that LM was treated as a suspect from July 1st 2003 and, as such, should've been allowed access to a lawyer at all times; and, just as significantly, they also took the view that the crown breached his human rights by allowing evidence to be led in court from 3 police interviews -- between July 1st 2003 and 14th August 2003
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell told the police numerous lies throughout his interviews and also made slip ups
Corine Mitchell should not have been allowed to sit in with her killer son’s 1st interview (on 1st July 2003) but the fact she did suggests the SCCRC may have also highlighted this fact in their statement of reasons
If the police really did think he was guilty on the 1st July 2003, they wouldn’t have allowed his mother to sit next to him whilst he gave his 22 pahe statement
Killer Luke Mitchell’s interviews weren’t videoed like psycho killer Aiden Fucci’s but I strongly suspect Corinne Mitchell’s intuition was telling her her son had committed murder, similar to Crystal Smith’s
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https://youtu.be/Rcv7rCZJlSA
There was a reason why Corinne Mitchell chose to lie about her timings and her pretended her killer son had cooked a make believe meal on the 30th June
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That misogynistic creep Roddy McLeod/Barrheadboy referring to Jodi Jones as ‘darlin’’ then making claim Janine Jones knowingly gave her sister a t-shirt with Stephen Kelly’s sperm on it to wear
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And equally creepy Sandra Lean with yet more of her bs and attempting to dupe anyone who listens to her into thinking circumstantial dna will solve a solved crime
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Why do these creeps only go on pro-Mitchell podcasts? The hosts aren't even neutral but are backing them up - all of them. Forbes seems to have curtailed the drugs but still talks an equal amount of lies and nonsense.
I understand a protest coming up in a few weeks. Come along for your free sausage roll and bingo ticket.
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Why do these creeps only go on pro-Mitchell podcasts? The hosts aren't even neutral but are backing them up - all of them.
Hypocrite Naomi Channell has done a podcast called “Charles Mansons ‘fan club’
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Why do these creeps only go on pro-Mitchell podcasts? The hosts aren't even neutral but are backing them up - all of them.
Roddy McCleod, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes gaslighting/double binds are on full display again in their latest video
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https://eleanorpayson.com/slipping-the-knot-of-the-double-message-double-bind-otherwise-known-as-gaslighting/
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Why do these creeps only go on pro-Mitchell podcasts? The hosts aren't even neutral but are backing them up - all of them. Forbes seems to have curtailed the drugs but still talks an equal amount of lies and nonsense.
I understand a protest coming up in a few weeks. Come along for your free sausage roll and bingo ticket.
Of course the hosts aren’t neutral. No one who views the facts of this case objectively is.
Certain podcasters though have invited those who think Luke is guilty to make their case. Thus far the invitations have been ignored and while I understand some may want to remain anonymous people like Nicholas, whose real identity is widely known, could certainly put their side across with no detriment to their safety but doesn’t. Why is that? Is she really too afraid to have the claims she posts here tested?
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Of course the hosts aren’t neutral. No one who views the facts of this case objectively is.
Certain podcasters though have invited those who think Luke is guilty to make their case. Thus far the invitations have been ignored and while I understand some may want to remain anonymous people like Nicholas, whose real identity is widely known, could certainly put their side across with no detriment to their safety but doesn’t. Why is that? Is she really too afraid to have the claims she posts here tested?
Your projections betray you John
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Karen McQueen
Getting a few (some nasty) comments when posting about luke"s innocence, 1 thing stays the same though NOT 1 COMMENT GIVES ME A REASON for their comment. So I politely just reply " educate yourself, then let me know if opinion changes" nobody ever gets back. 🙈🙉🙊❤️
Paul Stoddart
Thats the 1's who don't want to beleive that luke was set up by the jones family and lothian & borders police
How did they do that then
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Marie Milne
I find it odd that not one of the doubters come back with anything that makes any sense
I get “guilty”
No matter how much information you give them
It’s silly
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Of course the hosts aren’t neutral. No one who views the facts of this case objectively is.
Certain podcasters though have invited those who think Luke is guilty to make their case. Thus far the invitations have been ignored and while I understand some may want to remain anonymous people like Nicholas, whose real identity is widely known, could certainly put their side across with no detriment to their safety but doesn’t. Why is that? Is she really too afraid to have the claims she posts here tested?
I'm not talking about pro/anti LM podcasters, just someone who is impartial who can ask probing questions of SL/SF on the many issues they won't discuss, without agreeing or disagreeing with them. I don't think anyone from the LM guilty camp needs to have their claims tested as that has already been proven in court and subsequent appeals.
None of SL/SF's claims have been legally tested and remain speculative theories.
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Sandra Lean now claiming James Falconer knew sadist Luke Mitchell had committed his murder by the morning of the 1st July 2003
Can just imagine how she gaslights her two daughters
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None of SL/SF's claims have been legally tested and remain speculative theories.
They are a pair of gaslighting abusers
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“Everybody thought Luke Mitchell was having sexual relationships with his mother” ~ fraudster Scott Forbes
Corinne Mitchell and her killer son Luke most definitely appear to have had an enmeshed and emotionally incestuous relationship - which isn’t the same as ‘sexual relationships’ with his mother
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don't think anyone from the LM guilty camp needs to have their claims tested as that has already been proven in court and subsequent appeals.
There’s nothing to test
All the people who have been taken in by this fraud don’t recognise they are being gaslit by a couple of grifters,
“lawyers’ Scott Forbes and Sandra Lean
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They are a pair of gaslighting abusers
And the latest ‘new’ ‘hidden’ evidence is a nothingburger
Nothing was ‘hidden’ from the defence
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There’s nothing to test
All the people who have been taken in by this fraud don’t recognise they are being gaslit by a couple of grifters,‘lawyers’ Scott and Sandra
As far as I'm aware, neither have been employed in a professional legal capacity and are mere hobbyists. SF didnt make it past his solicitor's traineeship and SL (leading criminologist) has never been employed or affiliated with any academic or research faculties yet calls herself a "Dr". Flying monkeys indeed.
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I'm not talking about pro/anti LM podcasters, just someone who is impartial who can ask probing questions of SL/SF on the many issues they won't discuss, without agreeing or disagreeing with them. I don't think anyone from the LM guilty camp needs to have their claims tested as that has already been proven in court and subsequent appeals.
None of SL/SF's claims have been legally tested and remain speculative theories.
Which begs the question, why are you here? Justice has been done.
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As far as I'm aware, neither have been employed in a professional legal capacity and are mere hobbyists. SF didnt make it past his solicitor's traineeship and SL (leading criminologist) has never been employed or affiliated with any academic or research faculties yet calls herself a "Dr". Flying monkeys indeed.
You do realise that Dr Lean has a PhD and therefore is entitled to call herself doctor?
Don’t you find that jealousy is such an unedifying trait?
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Your projections betray you John
Pardon?
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That misogynistic creep Roddy McLeod/Barrheadboy referring to Jodi Jones as ‘darlin’’
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“Darlin”
“Wee darlin” - then Roddy McCleod stated;
“We can presume she was stripped before she was murdered”
And the creep emphasised ‘stripped’
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You do realise that Dr Lean has a PhD and therefore is entitled to call herself doctor?
Don’t you find that jealousy is such an unedifying trait?
I have many friends who have a PhD but I don't call them Dr. It smacks of grandiosity and desperation to be recognised. Is there a single case she has worked on that has been peer approved or academically recognised? She is a hobbyist with no record of any recognisable progress in 20 years.
Jealousy is certainly an unedifying trait but pales in significance to spending years falsely accusing a family of murdering their daughter.
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“Darlin”
“Wee darlin” - then Roddy McCleod stated;
“We can presume she was stripped before she was murdered”
And the creep emphasised ‘stripped’
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“The judge believed that’s where she’d been killed” ~ Roddy McLeod
He’s a mind reader as well as a raving creep
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I have many friends who have a PhD but I don't call them Dr. It smacks of grandiosity and desperation to be recognised. Is there a single case she has worked on that has been peer approved or academically recognised? She is a hobbyist with no record of any recognisable progress in 20 years.
Jealousy is certainly an unedifying trait but pales in significance to spending years falsely accusing a family of murdering their daughter.
*&^^&
Sandra Lean has spent 20 years gaslighting anyone who will listen to her
The woman has behaved like a classic psychopath
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“Darlin”
“Wee darlin” - then Roddy McCleod stated;
“We can presume she was stripped before she was murdered”
And the creep emphasised ‘stripped’
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No he didn’t.
Roddy McCleod is an individual of a certain age and his language accords with this. I know several woman of the same age who also use the phrase “wee darlin”.
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I have many friends who have a PhD but I don't call them Dr. It smacks of grandiosity and desperation to be recognised. Is there a single case she has worked on that has been peer approved or academically recognised? She is a hobbyist with no record of any recognisable progress in 20 years.
Jealousy is certainly an unedifying trait but pales in significance to spending years falsely accusing a family of murdering their daughter.
Can I assume that you don’t have a PhD. Can I suggest that that might be your problem?
Dr Lean is her official title. I’m sure her friends don’t call her that.
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During his 1st July 2003 killer Luke Mitchell had his mother Corinne Mitchell sat next to him
And there were times during this interview where he would ask his mother questions to aide his evidence
Like for example saying to Corinne “Shane wasn’t there was he”
Killer Luke Mitchell also told police during this first interview that he went out to look for Jodi on his mother's suggestion
And this appears to have occurred prior to receiving a text message from Judith Jones
Corinne Mitchell’s stated during her killer sons trail;
“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
All her telephone calls to her killer son were ignored
Then at 00:30hrs on the 1st of July 2003 killer Luke telephoned his mother allegedly saying to her;
“I can't talk, I have to go”
According to Scott Forbes
“Stop f..king phoning” is what psycho killer Luke Mitchell said to his mother Corinne at 00:30hrs on the 1st July 2003 after ignoring her other phone calls
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“Darlin”
“Wee darlin” - then Roddy McCleod stated;
“We can presume she was stripped before she was murdered”
And the creep emphasised ‘stripped’
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“Not according to the prosecution” ~ Sandra Lean
How would this women even know all what the prosecution said throughout the 42 day trial - she wasn’t there!
And a wealth of evidence heard through out the 42 day trial never made it into the public domain
It makes sense killer Luke Mitchell may have killed Jodi Jones after she had possibly removed her clothing
They were sexually active
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Fraudster Scott Forbes couldn’t instruct a barrister because he’s not a real lawyer
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“Not according to the prosecution” ~ Sandra Lean
How would this women even know all what the prosecution said throughout the 42 day trial - she wasn’t there!
And a wealth of evidence heard through out the 42 day trial never made it into the public domain
It makes sense killer Luke Mitchell may have killed Jodi Jones after she had possibly removed her clothing
They were sexually active
If the evidence didn’t make it into the public domain how do you know it didn’t? From Dr Lean? You and her were friends at on point weren’t you and she certainly is privy to more information than was made public.
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They (Lean and co) can "presume" until the cows come home, their presumptions account for zero. The evidence and the very essence of why the murder scene was placed there, was because of the forensic evidence leading in a trail from where that attack commenced and ended. The "dragging" and all else from photographs is from what LM carried out. A lad who without any doubt was fuelled by adrenalin.
LM described (from prior knowledge) that "large oak tree" the body was hidden behind - SF's says the body was behind a felled tree! SL has spoken of coming to a large tree stump then that large tree! They were not cutting any branches from a tree stump!
Let us just highlight some more lies here -
"A jacket, which was said to be similar to the one which may have been worn/owned by Luke Mitchell" P.199 of IB. This is the description of item to be tested in the reports - A parka is on the list of items, that coat taken from a connected house in Woodburn, it is one and the same coat. There in those defence papers and forensic reports, nothing "hidden" about it.
Lean in the latest claims, that at no time was that t-shirt worn by the victim ever identified as being her sisters - At trial JaJ's was shown that t-shirt physically and asked to identify it! It was not just a plain t-shirt, one of many hard to identify, it was of a certain make.
The intentional placing of focus around sex - As has been proved by science long before the 30th of June 2003, blood, semen, those types of bodily fluids take some serious washing to eliminate all trace. There was NOTHING visible upon that top that had been laundered, washing out trace of JaJ's, but NOT every single fragment of those remnants from a previous encounter. There was NO young girl putting on a dirty anything. Also those previous encounters between LM and [Name removed]!
There was NO cradling of any body! As was made clear, this is what LM claimed in that media article, it did NOT happen - LM could NOT see anything of what AW may have been doing, he was NOT down beside her. On that phone to 999 whilst those screams resounded in the background ----- AW from her statements and evidence had briefly touched her granddaughters forehead.
A tent is primarily erected for privacy and preservation only if required. No media, no public there to spectate, a sheltered area from most everything. That crime scene preserved to the max, using only one access point that had already been accessed, not traipsing through every other area prior to the forensic teams coming in. - Again, the claims, everything these enablers say, placed in the trash at all times, there is NOTHING to trust in any of it. Everything, from the point of the coroner not being able to access via that break carried out by clear direction of experts.
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They (Lean and co) can "presume" until the cows come home, their presumptions account for zero. The evidence and the very essence of why the murder scene was placed there, was because of the forensic evidence leading in a trail from where that attack commenced and ended. The "dragging" and all else from photographs is from what LM carried out. A lad who without any doubt was fuelled by adrenalin.
LM described (from prior knowledge) that "large oak tree" the body was hidden behind - SF's says the body was behind a felled tree! SL has spoken of coming to a large tree stump then that large tree! They were not cutting any branches from a tree stump!
Let us just highlight some more lies here -
"A jacket, which was said to be similar to the one which may have been worn/owned by Luke Mitchell" P.199 of IB. This is the description of item to be tested in the reports - A parka is on the list of items, that coat taken from a connected house in Woodburn, it is one and the same coat. There in those defence papers and forensic reports, nothing "hidden" about it.
Lean in the latest claims, that at no time was that t-shirt worn by the victim ever identified as being her sisters - At trial JaJ's was shown that t-shirt physically and asked to identify it! It was not just a plain t-shirt, one of many hard to identify, it was of a certain make.
The intentional placing of focus around sex - As has been proved by science long before the 30th of June 2003, blood, semen, those types of bodily fluids take some serious washing to eliminate all trace. There was NOTHING visible upon that top that had been laundered, washing out trace of JaJ's, but NOT every single fragment of those remnants from a previous encounter. There was NO young girl putting on a dirty anything. Also those previous encounters between LM and [Name removed]!
There was NO cradling of any body! As was made clear, this is what LM claimed in that media article, it did NOT happen - LM could NOT see anything of what AW may have been doing, he was NOT down beside her. On that phone to 999 whilst those screams resounded in the background ----- AW from her statements and evidence had briefly touched her granddaughters forehead.
A tent is primarily erected for privacy and preservation only if required. No media, no public there to spectate, a sheltered area from most everything. That crime scene preserved to the max, using only one access point that had already been accessed, not traipsing through every other area prior to the forensic teams coming in. - Again, the claims, everything these enablers say, placed in the trash at all times, there is NOTHING to trust in any of it. Everything, from the point of the coroner not being able to access via that break carried out by clear direction of experts.
Some further information gathered - AP (the aunt) has never been a social worker, never served on any protection unit nor panel, she is a nursery nurse and Unison rep. Arrived at the area and directed to enter via the school car park, to only go to the school car park because the area was cordoned off. All access to that path and woodland. Why may she have been there by the time LM was taken there? It is not hard.
LM led the police a "merry dance", he knew that area like the back of his hand yet brought the police in via Reeds Drive (something else lied about repeatedly). At this point the search trio were east of that V break in the wall, we know this for they were up from that line of trees blocking view of the path, the wall, from anywhere. He told the police to look across and that he would "shine his torch" to show them where they were. There was ONLY accessing by Reed Drive because of LM, there was no flash up of sex offenders or anything else, there had been NO identification of any crime, of what had happened to that poor girl by this point - Again the gullible, the easily led who fall under such nonsense.
Arriving and they go with LM to that V break whilst the others are directed up and off that path, the timescale of this happening had the aunts arrive to the area and school, there when LM was re-united with the others? He had been initially separated and not instantly separated and whisked away anywhere. Taken from behind the school some time later, after sitting with the others cadging fags, blanking his mother, deleting data from his phone -----
Jodi's mother, brother and step-father arrived, they too were directed behind that school and NOT allowed on any path. As most with sense know, when something like this is called in there are many who attend and not just two police, several cars in attendance, those dealing with LM, the search trio and those cordoning the area off.
Leans latest of AW "stomping up and down the path" of saying "It's a mess -------" Is this LM again or from them all? For what was LM doing when this was taking place? Calm as you like soaking everything up, revelling in the response of his actions? Of AW and the sense of evil, the hairs standing up on the back of her neck, turning around and LM was standing directly behind her, watching her! Was this at the point of her frantic response, a mind quite clearly about to explode from that horror!
10 -15mins of arriving at a path, not imagining for one moment that anything would be found at all, caught up in a rapid series of events fully led by LM, from worry to the most unimaginable horror ever! The very stuff the nightmares are actually made up of!
Those recordings played in court, LM and his flat affect tones whilst those screams resounded in the background, to the next and SK screaming at the operator in comparison to LM's flat affect tones! To the emergency services, to everything noted around how everyone was behaving. To LM blanking his mother, that "child" who needed NO one, not his mother, his father nor his brother - In full control of everything! The scraping of the defence, to try and find anything of normality in that "child" - "His eyes were wide --" dam right they would have been wide! But not out of any shock that is for sure! Special knowledge, he had NOT been anywhere near to that body at this point, walking around 10 paces behind that wall and stop then return ---- Facts that cannot ever be changed.
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The intentional placing of focus around sex - As has been proved by science long before the 30th of June 2003, blood, semen, those types of bodily fluids take some serious washing to eliminate all trace. There was NOTHING visible upon that top that had been laundered, washing out trace of JaJ's, but NOT every single fragment of those remnants from a previous encounter. There was NO young girl putting on a dirty anything. Also those previous encounters between LM and [Name removed]!
She knows - she just doesn’t care
Because this is all about Sandra Lean!
And the ‘Rotherham child sexual abuse trial’ demonstrated that semen was still detectable on laundered clothes - even after several washes
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26232275/
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There was NO cradling of any body! As was made clear, this is what LM claimed in that media article, it did NOT happen - LM could NOT see anything of what AW may have been doing, he was NOT down beside her. On that phone to 999 whilst those screams resounded in the background ----- AW from her statements and evidence had briefly touched her granddaughters forehead.
Yep and that creep Roddy McCleod now has the ‘granny’ ‘cuddling’ Jodi Jones
And without doubt Roddy McCleod knows the fraud at play in Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes fraudulent PR campaign
The three of them are proper sicko creeps
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LM led the police a "merry dance", he knew that area like the back of his hand yet brought the police in via Reeds Drive (something else lied about repeatedly).
Yep
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And I very much doubt any police officer asked the killer Luke Mitchell to go over that wall again
And grifter Sandra Lean has never given the name of the police officer who is alleged to have suggested this
Which is again telling
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He had been initially separated and not instantly separated and whisked away anywhere. Taken from behind the school some time later, after sitting with the others cadging fags, blanking his mother, deleting data from his phone -----
Yep
Killer Luke Mitchell was still there when he told his mother Corinne Mitchell to “stop f..king phoning” at 00:30hrs
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Leans latest of AW "stomping up and down the path" of saying "It's a mess -------" Is this LM again or from them all? For what was LM doing when this was taking place? Calm as you like soaking everything up, revelling in the response of his actions?
That’s exactly what if sounds like the psycho killer was doing - 14 years old - similar to Aiden Fucci
And he stayed over the other side of that wall while Stephen Kelly and Alice Walker climbed over
He was probably getting off on it
And Sandra Lean’s nonsense that at 14 years old he didn’t have the life experience
He was raised by Corinne Mitchell - a women who had ‘issues’ from having been adopted - who was drinking heavily and smoking weed and was said to be ‘mad as a hatter’
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Of AW and the sense of evil, the hairs standing up on the back of her neck, turning around and LM was standing directly behind her, watching her! Was this at the point of her frantic response, a mind quite clearly about to explode from that horror!
*&^^&
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10 -15mins of arriving at a path, not imagining for one moment that anything would be found at all, caught up in a rapid series of events fully led by LM, from worry to the most unimaginable horror ever! The very stuff the nightmares are actually made up of!
Those recordings played in court, LM and his flat affect tones whilst those screams resounded in the background, to the next and SK screaming at the operator in comparison to LM's flat affect tones!
*&^^&
Yep
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But gaslighter Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial and did not - and does not - have a clue of all the evidence heard through out those 42 days
And she’s been making it up ever since!
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To LM blanking his mother, that "child" who needed NO one, not his mother, his father nor his brother - In full control of everything!
“Stop f..king phoning me” ~ Psycho killer Luke Mitchell to his mother Corinne at 00:30hrs on the 1st July 2003 - according to Scott Forbes
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The scraping of the defence, to try and find anything of normality in that "child" - "His eyes were wide --" dam right they would have been wide! But not out of any shock that is for sure! Special knowledge, he had NOT been anywhere near to that body at this point, walking around 10 paces behind that wall and stop then return ---- Facts that cannot ever be changed.
And nothing was ‘hidden’ in this case - especially around circumstantial DNA evidence !
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Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head, why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?
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Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head, why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?
It was all noted Krissy Porteous!
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Krissy Porteous
Something that I’ve thought about before but after watching the podcast about the newly discovered samples and listening to Sandra talk about the lack of paper trail for the illegal destruction, put it bk into my head, why is there no paper trail for the crime scene and who done what? Back in the day every officer had a notebook,they wrote statements in and the workings of the ‘office day in them’, ie what happened when, where and by who and the like(now it’s wee computer things) there’s also a chain of evidence that’s meant to happen to prevent evidence becoming tainted or contaminated. Who decided that they weren’t going to do use them? For instance the first 2 cops on the scene should have noted when officer Craig Dobbie arrived and at what time,then from there it should have been noted anytime someone/something was moved/found, it should have been noted when forensics arrived and what forensics officers turned up and on it should go, there should have been hundreds of entries in those pads about that night and for them to be incomplete or missing from every officers book/computer what does that say? Why wasn’t it noted who moved jodis body or bagged her clothes up(in the wrong way) or cut branches down or took photos or any of the other things that happened that night? The decisions to do these things were came to by someone, why does NO ONE know who? Weird,weird and bloody weirder is the only way to describe this whole case. Ultimately though who should be held accountable for the lack of paperwork?
Again - it was noted Krissy Porteous
And there’s no evidence the clothing was bagged ‘in the wrong way’ - Donald Findlay would have highlighted this during the trial if it was the case. It wasn’t!
Gaslighter Sandra Lean either doesn’t know - remember she didn’t attend the 42 day trial - or she isn’t going to tell you because she wants to keep the fraud going round and do all she can to stop people from seeing her for what she really is
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Sandra Lean (5 days ago)
Gary Peden Absolutely, Gary. We're already considering a protest on the basis of what we already know, to make sure they know we know. They MUST release those samples - anything less is completely unacceptable
Suspect they’ll be less people at the next ‘protest’ than there was at the previous one - where around 20-30 people appear to have turned up
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Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@InnocenceFraudW
@SacredGeoInt
and 2 others
Who killed himself, who raped an old lady, who married him.
Stephanie Hall
6:53 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
Heather do not even bother engaging with that thing ! I blocked ages ago! Waste of energy
6:55 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Heather
@Truth4Luke
Replying to
@danitoe
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
You're right, it's a nasty evil s..m of a woman
6:57 pm · 29 Mar 2023
Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@Truth4Luke
@InnocenceFraudW
and 3 others
Continue educating those who will listen and have a proper conversation and discussion...no chance with the thing at all. X
7:00 pm · 29 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/Truth4Luke/status/1641136451042570242
Female misogynist Heather Brunt https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid029MuhiJwcUyuU8d8K6EboV2mTMNQkaT1HXwt8g2ZerSsg5MjhhWmUbD35ShfsrvA4l&id=1012973830
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Sandra Lean
Caroline Mcindoer Oh, lord, Caroline, I don't know how to answer that. Because my kids grew up with this, I taught them to know their rights, to never, ever speak with a police officer without legal representation, to record every interaction with authorities on their phones, etc. I also taught them to question everything - to never accept anything at face value, but to check it out for themselves. I know many people are critical of that and say it teaches my kids to have no respect for authority - my response was, why would I teach them to respect authorities that can do this??
They're all grown up now, so it's neither here nor there, but you also have to remember, my kids were often present during the harassment - they were in the car often when I was repeatedly stopped for no good reason, etc. So, in many ways, they saw for themselves why I was teaching them what I was.
And who do Sandra Lean’s ‘kids’ go to in a 999 emergency
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Sandra Lean’s oldest ‘kid’ lived with her father - ergo highly unlikely she was ever in her car when she was allegedly stopped for no good reason’ by the police
And I very much doubt Sandra Lean’s daughters have much to do with her now they are adults
Isn’t she ‘estranged’ from her youngest daughter
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Caroline Mcindoer
Sandra Lean thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I'm only 2 years older than both jodi and luke. My eldest daughter is 18 in a few weeks and I just don't know she they can ever actually relax around strangers... How can they live a life of freedom when they always need to be aware who's around and always watch what they say or do.
My heads mince with it all, who do they call when the need help? Is it back to the days of dad's pals sorting the "problem". No wonder my parents stayed up till we were all home safe! 💔 I suppose I've started the process. Since I've taught my kids that some people are just plain evil and never to accept anyone at face value. Never to believe that they truly know anyone as situations like this are not as isolated as we believe. I honestly admire you sandra and I reckon one day justice will be served for luke. However we also need to seriously consider the thousands of poor souls that will come after we are gone. Change is needed to properly protect the people who speak the truth against the system. Everyone deserves a right to a fair trial! Everyone deserves to live their life without the violence, corruption, fear and lack of honesty we are being offered currently.
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
There should be mechanisms in place that tell the defence/case workers when evidence is moved to an area next to where evidence is regularly destroyed - it's beyond crazy!!!
Gary Peden
Sharon Indy Sunshine seems that would be of little consequence since this person would ultimately be employed by the crown 🤷
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Gary Peden That is true like the labs etc. It's all one-sided. In America, they are piloting Centers for integrity in some states where they have independent labs, or independent people in the lab overseeing the evidence being testing etc. these are independent of the state to try to avoid the "put her in the garage" suggestion in Making a murderer wow they lab find something in the garage a bullet!
Making a Murderer’ rebuttal to air early summer in new series called ‘Convicting a Murderer – A Season of Truth’ _ 23rd February 2023
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https://wislawjournal.com/2023/02/23/making-a-murderer-rebuttal-to-air-early-summer-in-new-series-called-convicting-a-murderer-a-season-of-truth/
‘Making a Murderer’ rebuttal podcast will ‘tell the story’ the crime doc refuses to show, says host
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/making-a-murderer-rebuttal-podcast-will-tell-the-story-the-crime-doc-refuses-to-show-says-host
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Female misogynist Heather Brunt https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid029MuhiJwcUyuU8d8K6EboV2mTMNQkaT1HXwt8g2ZerSsg5MjhhWmUbD35ShfsrvA4l&id=1012973830
Creepy Heather Brunt
Heather German Shepherd
If I were [Name removed], Gordon and David [Name removed], I would be screaming for the samples to be tested to clear my name, if I were Steven Kelly and James Falconer I’d be screaming louder as both their sperm was found on and near the body. How do we know it’s not their sperm on Jodi bum without the tests. The justice system is rotten to the core.
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They (Lean and co) can "presume" until the cows come home, their presumptions account for zero. The evidence and the very essence of why the murder scene was placed there, was because of the forensic evidence leading in a trail from where that attack commenced and ended. The "dragging" and all else from photographs is from what LM carried out. A lad who without any doubt was fuelled by adrenalin.
LM described (from prior knowledge) that "large oak tree" the body was hidden behind - SF's says the body was behind a felled tree! SL has spoken of coming to a large tree stump then that large tree! They were not cutting any branches from a tree stump!
Let us just highlight some more lies here -
"A jacket, which was said to be similar to the one which may have been worn/owned by Luke Mitchell" P.199 of IB. This is the description of item to be tested in the reports - A parka is on the list of items, that coat taken from a connected house in Woodburn, it is one and the same coat. There in those defence papers and forensic reports, nothing "hidden" about it.
Lean in the latest claims, that at no time was that t-shirt worn by the victim ever identified as being her sisters - At trial JaJ's was shown that t-shirt physically and asked to identify it! It was not just a plain t-shirt, one of many hard to identify, it was of a certain make.
The intentional placing of focus around sex - As has been proved by science long before the 30th of June 2003, blood, semen, those types of bodily fluids take some serious washing to eliminate all trace. There was NOTHING visible upon that top that had been laundered, washing out trace of JaJ's, but NOT every single fragment of those remnants from a previous encounter. There was NO young girl putting on a dirty anything. Also those previous encounters between LM and [Name removed]!
There was NO cradling of any body! As was made clear, this is what LM claimed in that media article, it did NOT happen - LM could NOT see anything of what AW may have been doing, he was NOT down beside her. On that phone to 999 whilst those screams resounded in the background ----- AW from her statements and evidence had briefly touched her granddaughters forehead.
A tent is primarily erected for privacy and preservation only if required. No media, no public there to spectate, a sheltered area from most everything. That crime scene preserved to the max, using only one access point that had already been accessed, not traipsing through every other area prior to the forensic teams coming in. - Again, the claims, everything these enablers say, placed in the trash at all times, there is NOTHING to trust in any of it. Everything, from the point of the coroner not being able to access via that break carried out by clear direction of experts.
But….but…but !!! No one’s listening anymore Parky….well not to you anyway.
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Cheryl Ashley
A little late to the party watching the latest interview with Sandra and Scott on through a Scottish prism. I'm sorry but I need to vent.... What the effing eff. Swabs from BOTH of Jodi's handa have been available all along 🤯 The crown caught destroying evidence they covered up from the defence. That should be an instant release for Luke, surely? At the very least all evidence wanted for testing must be granted. The playing field need leveled
You know my Q always was, was this a case of bad police work and trying to solve a case quickly to ease public pressure, or was it a devious scheme by the investigators to arrest and convict the wrong person all along. Think I got my answer, and I'm definitely leaning towards the latter. 😞💜
Yep - yet more of Sandra Leans lies exposed
Why didn’t killer Luke Mitchell tell Sandra all what he had discussed with Donald Findlay about the circumstantial dna?
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Adnan is a killer! Court Reinstates Adnan Syed’s Murder Conviction!
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https://www.youtube.com/live/GpVaMLGG0n8?feature=share
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Teen Monster Who Stabbed a Chearleader 114 Times for Thrills
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https://youtu.be/rpywRZDqXR4
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James Easton
As my late Dad would occasionally remark when I was young, 'The more you know, son, the more you realise you don't know'...
Following the recent developments, what I, personally, originally perceived as an 'uncomfortable' verdict, is perhaps now clearly deserving of some outrage.
Sandra Lean
Interviewing for the PhD place, I was asked, "What, after all these years, do you think you can bring that's new to this research?" My answer was, "I don't know what I don't know, yet."
How true did that turn out to be????
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**LIVE** ➡️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/02/live-killer-news-court-reinstates-adnan-syeds-murder-conviction/
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Did gaslighter Sandra Lean write anything in her second innocence fraud book about killer Luke Mitchell’s other convictions?
“He also faces charges of being in possession of a knife or knives in public places, including St David's high school, on occasions between January and June 2003.
Why has no one ever attempted to overturn psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell’s other convictions
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What did Kimberly T tell the police and trial about killer Luke Mitchell’s brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch (which he kept like a ‘trophie’) he had for Christmas 2002?
’Miss Thomson said she considered herself to be Mr Mitchell's girlfriend last summer.
Recalling how a friend showed her a newspaper article after Jodi's murder, she said: "Luke's name was in it and Dalkeith as well.
"His girlfriend had been murdered, or something like that."
Mr Turnbull asked if she had sent a text message to Mr Mitchell demanding an explanation.
"I cannot remember," Miss Thomson replied.
The court earlier heard of a six-hour police interview with Luke Mitchell where he was asked why he had not contacted Jodi when she failed to turn up to meet him as arranged.
Detective Sergeant George Thomson told the court Luke Mitchell had told them that he thought Jodi had met somebody else and had gone off with them
Did grifter Sandra Lean omit what Kimberly T told the police and trial about the brown handled Jack Pyke knife the killer had for Christmas 2002 from her second IF book?
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‘But only weeks into the relationship, Jodi became worried about Mitchell's close friendship with Laura Wightman, a girl he would later take to her graveside.
Kirsten said: 'Laura was with Luke a lot and once Jodi heard that he might have been cheating on her but I think she spoke to him and they sorted it out.'
What did Laura Wightman tell the police and trial about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife he had for Christmas 2002?
“Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
And did Laura cheat on her ‘best friend’ Jodi Jones with killer Luke Mitchell?
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What did Laura Wightman tell the police and trial about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife he had for Christmas 2002?
“Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
And did Laura cheat on her ‘best friend’ Jodi Jones with killer Luke Mitchell?
Laura Wightman appears to have referred to the talon multi purpose tool during the trial and the Jack Pyke knife pouch but what about the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife
’The court also hears a statement given to police by 15-year-old Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, in which she talks about Mitchell owning a 'penknife with different tools on it'.
In her statement, Laura said she 'went radge' when Mitchell bought a new knife last December, months after Jodi's death.
She also told police that she 'maybe' saw Mitchell with a knife pouch when she went to Pizza Hut with Jodi and Mitchell the Friday before Jodi's murder.
The court hears a policeman asked Laura if Mitchell had ever confessed to her that he had killed Jodi.
She replies: 'No. See, if he had told me he had done it, I would have killed him there and then and it would be me sitting in jail now.'
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’The court also hears a statement given to police by 15-year-old Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, in which she talks about Mitchell owning a 'penknife with different tools on it'.
In her statement, Laura said she 'went radge' when Mitchell bought a new knife last December, months after Jodi's death.
She also told police that she 'maybe' saw Mitchell with a knife pouch when she went to Pizza Hut with Jodi and Mitchell the Friday before Jodi's murder.
The court hears a policeman asked Laura if Mitchell had ever confessed to her that he had killed Jodi.
She replies: 'No. See, if he had told me he had done it, I would have killed him there and then and it would be me sitting in jail now.'
What about the Jack Pyke knife from the previous Christmas and the knife that went in the knife pouch?
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’In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend, and often hugged her in public.
However, the 15-year-old said she had criticised Mr Mitchell when he bought a knife after Jodi's death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and in September were read in court after the jury was told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
She described herself as really close to Jodi and also "best mates"with Luke.
"They really, really loved each other. They were always hugging and stuff, which was cool because most guys won't do that in front of people, " she said.
However, she also described how she "went radge" when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife some time after Jodi's death.
"I told him it was really disrespectful, " she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied:
"It is only for cutting weed."
The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi's death. Laura told them: "No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would have been me sitting in the jail now."
She added: "I think he is innocent."
Did Laura Wightman lie by omission to protect her best mate and psycho killer Luke Mitchell?
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’In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, described howMrMitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend, and often hugged her in public.
However, the 15-year-old said she had criticised Mr Mitchell when he bought a knife after Jodi's death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and in Septemberwere read in court after the jury was told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
She described herself as really close to Jodi and also "best mates"with Luke.
"They really, really loved each other. They were always hugging and stuff, which was cool because most guys won't do that in front of people, " she said.
However, she also described how she "went radge" when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife some time after Jodi's death.
"I told him it was really disrespectful, " she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied:
"It is only for cutting weed."
The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi's death. Laura told them: "No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would have been me sitting in the jail now."
She added: "I think he is innocent."
The replacement black handled stunting knife was ‘only for cutting weed’ but liar Corinne Mitchell claimed it was for a camping trip.
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’In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend, and often hugged her in public.
However, the 15-year-old said she had criticised Mr Mitchell when he bought a knife after Jodi's death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and in September were read in court after the jury was told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
She described herself as really close to Jodi and also "best mates"with Luke.
Did Laura Wightman attend Jodi Jones funeral?
And was Laura Wightmans illness linked in any way to Luke Mitchell’s murder?
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“ In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, described howMrMitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend, and often hugged her in public.
However, the 15-year-old said she had criticised Mr Mitchell when he bought a knife after Jodi's death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and in Septemberwere read in court after the jury was told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
She described herself as really close to Jodi and also "best mates"with Luke.
"They really, really loved each other. They were always hugging and stuff, which was cool because most guys won't do that in front of people, " she said.
However, she also described how she "went radge" when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife some time after Jodi's death.
"I told him it was really disrespectful, " she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied:
"It is only for cutting weed."
The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi's death. Laura told them: "No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would have been me sitting in the jail now."
She added: "I think he is innocent."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/
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Cheryl Ashley
A little late to the party watching the latest interview with Sandra and Scott on through a Scottish prism. I'm sorry but I need to vent.... What the effing eff. Swabs from BOTH of Jodi's handa have been available all along 🤯 The crown caught destroying evidence they covered up from the defence. That should be an instant release for Luke, surely? At the very least all evidence wanted for testing must be granted. The playing field need leveled
You know my Q always was, was this a case of bad police work and trying to solve a case quickly to ease public pressure, or was it a devious scheme by the investigators to arrest and convict the wrong person all along. Think I got my answer, and I'm definitely leaning towards the latter. 😞💜
Sandra Lean
Cheryl Ashley - it's the weirdest thing - just like after the book was written, I go back and read or listen, like someone who hasn't been involved from the off, and find myself going WHAAATTTT??? I think, because I've been immersed in it for so long, there's a tendency for me to go, Yeah, that's the police doing that, this is the system doing this, then, every now and then, I get my "ordinary person" head back on and look, or listen, or both, in total disbelief. It's a bit surreal!!!
I can't even begin to describe what it felt like when those lists finally came back and we're looking at stuff that we've never, ever known even existed. Rage, disbelief, total confusion - it took me 3 weeks to go through the lists and compare them to the stuff that was originally in the defence files, just to work out what was new, what was always there, but wasn't used and what had never - as far as we could see - seen the light of day after 2003/04. Level playing field? I've seen flatter Munros (mountains, for our non-Scottish friends).
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“ In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi's best friend, described howMrMitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend, and often hugged her in public.
However, the 15-year-old said she had criticised Mr Mitchell when he bought a knife after Jodi's death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and in Septemberwere read in court after the jury was told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
She described herself as really close to Jodi and also "best mates"with Luke.
"They really, really loved each other. They were always hugging and stuff, which was cool because most guys won't do that in front of people, " she said.
However, she also described how she "went radge" when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife some time after Jodi's death.
"I told him it was really disrespectful, " she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied:
"It is only for cutting weed."
The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi's death. Laura told them: "No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would have been me sitting in the jail now."
She added: "I think he is innocent."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/
yes but how much was she paid for her interview?
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“Ashley Coutts, 15, tells the court that she had seen Mitchell with a knife at his father's house in Livingston.
She explains that the sister of her mother's boyfriend lived with Mitchell's father and that she would sometimes visit them. Ashley is also shown a brown knife and she confirms that it is similar to the one Mitchell had.”
Did grifter Sandra Lean omit what Kimberly T told the police and trial about the brown handled Jack Pyke knife the killer had for Christmas 2002 from her second IF book?
Or was the brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch bought for killer Luke Mitchell before Christmas 2002
‘Meanwhile, a witness has told the court that she saw a knife in the possession of Mr Mitchell "more than once".
Ashley Coutts, 15, said she had seen the teenager with the knife at his father's house in Livingston, West Lothian, in 2002.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
Asked by prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mr Mitchell's room at his father's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown
Did Sandra Lean mention star witness Ashley Coutts in her second IF book?
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Did innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean mention star witness Ashley Coutts in her second IF book?
’A witness saw a knife in the possession of the teenager accused of murdering schoolgirl Jodi Jones "more than once", a court heard today.
Ashley Coutts, 15, told the murder trial at the High Court in Edinburgh she had seen Luke Mitchell with the knife when he was at his father's house in Livingston, West Lothian, in 2002.
Jodi's boyfriend Mitchell, 16, is accused of the murder of the 14-year-old schoolgirl.
The teenager, who was 14 at the time Jodi died, denies her murder and has lodged two special defences, one of alibi and one of incrimination.
Miss Coutts, who now lives in Shetland with her father, told the court she used to live in Edinburgh with her mother before moving north in March of last year.
She said the sister of her mother's boyfriend's lived with Mitchell's father in Livingston and that she would sometimes visit the house.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
Asked by Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mitchell's room at his dad's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown.[/b]
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Corinne Mitchell
John
sorry, missed a question!
It would be unlikely Jodi would have disturbed someone walking down the path as it was quite well used by dog walkers and joggers!
However, if she was going behind the wall to say meet F e r r i s to get some cannabis before meeting Lukethe may well have disturbed someone
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s30.html
Corinne Mitchell KNEW & KNOWS her youngest son committed murder
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Or was the brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch bought for killer Luke Mitchell before Christmas 2002
‘Meanwhile, a witness has told the court that she saw a knife in the possession of Mr Mitchell "more than once".
Ashley Coutts, 15, said she had seen the teenager with the knife at his father's house in Livingston, West Lothian, in 2002.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
Asked by prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mr Mitchell's room at his father's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown
Did innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean mention star witness Ashley Coutts in her second IF book?
Did Luke ever claim that he hadn’t owned a knife?
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Or was the brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch bought for killer Luke Mitchell before Christmas 2002
‘Meanwhile, a witness has told the court that she saw a knife in the possession of Mr Mitchell "more than once".
Ashley Coutts, 15, said she had seen the teenager with the knife at his father's house in Livingston, West Lothian, in 2002.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
Asked by prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mr Mitchell's room at his father's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown
Or maybe the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife was bought for Christmas 2001, 2000 or 1999?
Did killer Luke Mitchell use the brown handled Jack Pyke knife to threaten the 11 year old girl?
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Did Luke ever claim that he hadn’t owned a knife?
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t give evidence in his own trial and he and his innocence fraud enablers have been hiding what he told the police about his various knives but Corinne Mitchell pretended ‘she was against people carrying knives and that the replacement knife she bought him for Christmas 2003 was for ‘camping’
‘Mrs Mitchell said she was against people carrying knives but admitted she bought one for Luke at Christmas 2003. She maintained it was only used when her son went camping and she took it from him when he returned.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Can I suggest to you Luke wanted this particular item as a replacement for one he previously had?'
She replied: 'I wasn't aware of him previously owning a knife like that.'
The killer told his bestie Laura Wightman it was for cutting up cannabis
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Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t give evidence in his own trial and he and his innocence fraud enablers have been hiding what he told the police about his various knives but Corinne Mitchell pretended ‘she was against people carrying knives and that the replacement knife she bought him for Christmas 2003 was for ‘camping’
‘Mrs Mitchell said she was against people carrying knives but admitted she bought one for Luke at Christmas 2003. She maintained it was only used when her son went camping and she took it from him when he returned.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Can I suggest to you Luke wanted this particular item as a replacement for one he previously had?'
She replied: 'I wasn't aware of him previously owning a knife like that.'
The killer told his bestie Laura Wightman it was for cutting up cannabis
”Mitchell was charged with murder on April 14 last year and on the same day police also quizzed his mother.
She was shown the pouch in which the knife was normally kept but couldn't remember anything about it or where the knife was.
However, when she returned home she remembered it was in a bag on the kitchen floor and she gave it to Mitchell's lawyer.
Mr Turnbull pointed out that a team of specialist police officers had searched the kitchen that day and found nothing.
Mrs Mitchell stated: 'I cannot give you an explanation.
'All I know is that when I got home I remembered where I put the knife. I am telling the truth.'
Where did Corinne Mitchell really have the replacement black handled knife hidden ?
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”Mitchell was charged with murder on April 14 last year and on the same day police also quizzed his mother.
[She was shown the pouch in which the knife was normally kept but couldn't remember anything about it or where the knife was.
By giving the lawyer the black handled knife (which the Mitchell’s had obviously hidden away from Newbattle Abbey crescent) Corinne Mitchell confirmed to the police she knew about the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife which was ‘normally kept’ in the leather Jack Pyke knife pouch
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Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t give evidence in his own trial and he and his innocence fraud enablers have been hiding what he told the police about his various knives but Corinne Mitchell pretended ‘she was against people carrying knives and that the replacement knife she bought him for Christmas 2003 was for ‘camping’
‘Mrs Mitchell said she was against people carrying knives but admitted she bought one for Luke at Christmas 2003. She maintained it was only used when her son went camping and she took it from him when he returned.
Mr Turnbull asked: 'Can I suggest to you Luke wanted this particular item as a replacement for one he previously had?'
She replied: 'I wasn't aware of him previously owning a knife like that.'
The killer told his bestie Laura Wightman it was for cutting up cannabis
I asked about Luke not his mother.
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So when did Luke Mitchell plan to go camping in the aftermath of his girlfriend's brutal slaying?
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”Mitchell was charged with murder on April 14 last year and on the same day police also quizzed his mother.
She was shown the pouch in which the knife was normally kept but couldn't remember anything about it or where the knife was.
However, when she returned home she remembered it was in a bag on the kitchen floor and she gave it to Mitchell's lawyer.
Mr Turnbull pointed out that a team of specialist police officers had searched the kitchen that day and found nothing.
Mrs Mitchell stated: 'I cannot give you an explanation.
'All I know is that when I got home I remembered where I put the knife. I am telling the truth."
So, the inference is that there were two separate knife pouches, as well as two separate knives (the missing brown handled one and the black handled one purchased for camping on 13.12.03)? Or was there only one knife pouch (the one with 666 and the Jodi inscription on it) and LM was using it as a pouch for the black handled knife?
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So, the inference is that there were two separate knife pouches, as well as two separate knives (the missing brown handled one and the black handled one purchased for camping on 13.12.03)
According to his bestie Laura Wightman, the replacement black handled knife was for cutting up cannabis
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So, the inference is that there were two separate knife pouches, as well as two separate knives (the missing brown handled one and the black handled one purchased for camping on 13.12.03)? Or was there only one knife pouch (the one with 666 and the Jodi inscription on it) and LM was using it as a pouch for the black handled knife?
Corinne Mitchell appears to have given the impression the replacement black handled knife was usually kept in the
leather Jack Pyke knife pouch.
But the investigation uncovered the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife - identified by Ashley Coutts - was usually kept in the Jack Pyke leather knife pouch
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According to his bestie Laura Wightman, the replacement black handled knife was for cutting up cannabis
But her statements were from July '03 and September '03 -- before the knife was purchased. (The article doesn't state if it was September '03 or '04 due to a misprint.) Unless Mitchell had purchased or acquired another knife between July '03 and September '03.
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But her statements were from July '03 and September '03 -- before the knife was purchased. (The article doesn't state if it was September '03 or '04 due to a misprint.) Unless Mitchell had purchased or acquired another knife between July '03 and September '03.
The second statement must have been 04’ - just before the trial.
I wonder what Laura Wightmans opinions are now?
Does anyone know?
Does she still think psycho killer Luke Mitchell is ‘innocent’?
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The second statement must have been 04’ - just before the trial.
I wonder what Laura Wightmans opinions are now?
Does anyone know?
Does she still think psycho killer Luke Mitchell is ‘innocent’?
Do any of LM's former friends or family think he is 'innocent' apart from CM? Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do? Luke this, Luke that, poor wee laddie, just a child etc.
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Do any of LM's former friends or family think he is 'innocent' apart from CM? Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do? Luke this, Luke that, poor wee laddie, just a child etc.
So you didn’t post this :
“ The same 14 year old boy who had history of threatening at least 3 other girls with knives. I think he is a psychopath - do they have motives?”
Do you know him?
The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry?
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What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing Jack Pyke brown handled knife and Jack Pyke leather knife pouch - does any one know?
Jodi murder accused 'was seen with knife’ - 24th November 2004
“Miss Coutts, who now lives in Shetland with her father, told the court she used to live in Edinburgh with her mother before moving north in March of last year.
She said the sister of her mother's boyfriend's lived with Mitchell's father in Livingston and that she would sometimes visit the house.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
And was it the sister of Ashley Coutts mothers boyfriend who bought killer Luke Mitchell the Marilyn Manson calendar?
Did she and Philip Mitchell get married?
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Also - does anyone know when killer Luke Mitchell last stayed at his father Philip Mitchell’s house over the weekend?
He definitely didn’t stay over with his father the weekend before his murder
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The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry?
The same psychiatrist who psycho killer Luke Mitchell told he was smoking 2oz of cannabis a week?
“….the equivalent of 40 joints a day, or nearly 300 perweek”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/
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So you didn’t post this : Yes
“ The same 14 year old boy who had history of threatening at least 3 other girls with knives. I think he is a psychopath - do they have motives?”
Do you know him? Thankfully not
The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry? Yes.
I'm not sure how your remarks relate to my question. I was asking if any of his friends/family support him now?
Under the current Mental Health Act, I would expect him to examined by at least 2 qualified professionals independent of each other before any formal diagnosis could be made. However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.
LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.
Psychopathy: a tendency to blame others, a lack of fear and being cold-hearted, poor judgment and failure to learn from experience, pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love, lack of remorse or shame, impulsivity, grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, manipulative behaviour.
“Making a clinical diagnosis of psychopathy is rather hard, actually". Erikson, T (2012).
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LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - from at least the age of 12 - was already showing signs of psychopathy
"When he was 12 he threatened his then girlfriend with a knife because she refused to have sex with him. The incidents went on. When he moved to St David’s High, a music teacher found him trying to throttle another pupil and he was sent to an educational psychologist. He refused the expert’s help.”
http://www.scotsman.com/news/natural-born-killer-1-1401861
Miss van Nuil told how she was at first mesmerised by Mitchell and how he wooed her with romantic text messages.
But she brought the relationship to an end after he followed her into the cadet hut one night and threatened her with the knife. She told the Scottish Daily Mail: 'He used to wear a balaclava and pull it up over his head like a hat.
'We were at cadets in May when I went into the hut on my own. The instructors were out having a cigarette with the other cadets. I was messing about with the blackboard and I didn't hear Luke coming but there was suddenly an arm around my neck.
'I got a glimpse of him as I looked back and he had pulled his balaclava over his face. He then put a knife to my throat and said I would be dead if I moved an inch.
'I was really scared and couldn't move.
He was so strong. I couldn't move my arms but I kept nipping his knees with my fingernails and begging him to let me go. He kept me like that for about a minute.
'When he put the knife down I turned to face him and he said, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He tried to pretend it was a joke but my neck was red and I was genuinely scared. I was crying my eyes out.' Mitchell never returned to cadets after the attack. A month later he strangled 14-year- old Jodi and cut her throat.
Miss van Nuil regrets not telling her parents Angela, 39, and Bill, 55, about the attack until after the murder.
She said: 'I never knew Jodi but when I found out Luke was her boyfriend I knew straight away that he had done it. I told my dad what happened in the cadet hut and he called the police.
'They came around and took hours of statements but I was never called to court.
Kara Van Null gave evidence to the police - ‘hours of statements’ - prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest for his murder
Why does ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean choose to dismiss these girls evidence and serious allegations and massive red flags?
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For a 12-year-old to be involved in knife crime he must have some serious issues.
Who bought 12 year old Luke Mitchell his knife/knives?
Holding a knife to a females throat at the age of 12 is not normal behaviour
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - from at least the age of 12 - was already showing signs of psychopathy
Kara Van Null gave evidence to the police - ‘hours of statements’ - prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest for his murder
Why does ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean choose to dismiss these girls evidence and serious allegations and massive red flags?
Hybristophilia? Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?
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Hybristophilia? Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?
Hybrisophilia does appear to be more prevalent in those working within the field of ‘criminology’ than eslewhere
We need to stop our caged killers getting fan mail from groupies
‘Having worked with a number of high profile, media-savvy offenders in prison I became immediately aware of the phenomenon known as hybristophilia – the sexual interest that some women have for those who have committed violent crimes.
‘Think of any recent serial killer or murderer and I guarantee you that they will be receiving sack loads of admiring letters from women – and a few men – desperate to visit, and start up a relationship
I remember one prisoner who had been convicted of a string of bank robberies, jokingly sharing his fan mail with other prisoners on his landing as a form of light relief.
Last month the Danes introduced a law to ban life-sentenced prisoners from receiving fan mail from new pen pals, and limiting their contact to friends that they had had before they were convicted for the first 10 years of their sentence.
As the Danish justice minister Nick Haekkerup said when introducing the bill, convicted criminals “should not be able to use prisons as dating centres, or media platforms.”
‘All of this also begs the more general question of where hybristophilia comes from – what is it that motivates some women to want to establish a relationship with someone who has committed a violent offence?
Is this something to do with the fact those who begin this type of relationship believe they can see the true – the “real” – person, and not just the offence, or is it perhaps that they just have low self-esteem and cannot form a relationship with someone who is not behind bars?
I think that it is also significant that a number of the women that I am aware of in similar relationships in this country used that relationship with a violent offender to promote their own careers, or to garner book deals..
David Wilson - who wrote the above (and many other ‘criminologists’’) - don’t appear to recognise the possible hybristophilia of those individuals in the ‘criminology’ field
And because David Wilson also fails to recognise and address the very real innocence fraud phenomenon - which he also promotes - he writes articles like the above choosing to omit to mention his ‘colleagues’ like Sandra Lean
David Wilson has also used his relationships with ‘violent’ offenders to ‘promote’ his own ‘career’ and to ‘garner book deals’ (I have never read any of his books). ‘Signs of murder’ appears to be yet more innocence fraud.
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I'm not sure how your remarks relate to my question. I was asking if any of his friends/family support him now?
Under the current Mental Health Act, I would expect him to examined by at least 2 qualified professionals independent of each other before any formal diagnosis could be made. However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.
LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.
Psychopathy: a tendency to blame others, a lack of fear and being cold-hearted, poor judgment and failure to learn from experience, pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love, lack of remorse or shame, impulsivity, grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, manipulative behaviour.
“Making a clinical diagnosis of psychopathy is rather hard, actually". Erikson, T (2012).
This is what you posted:
“Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do?
You described him as a psychopath having never met him.
As to your psychiatric expertise, being able to google doesn’t count as ‘expertise’
You posted:
‘ However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
But look:
‘ Psychopathy’ is similarly not a diagnosis, but rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/overarching-guides/magistrates-court/item/sentencing-offenders-with-mental-disorders-developmental-disorders-or-neurological-impairments/
Wow! I’m a psychiatrist!
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Hybristophilia? Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?
Could David Wilson also ‘suffer’ from hybristophilia?
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What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather Jack Pyke knife pouch?
Anyone know?
‘Asked by Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mitchell's room at his dad's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
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Innocence fraud pusher David Wilson - who wrote the above (and many other ‘criminologists’’) - don’t appear to recognise the possible hybristophilia of those individuals in the ‘criminology’ field
And because David Wilson also fails to recognise and address the very real innocence fraud phenomenon - which he also promotes - he writes articles like the above choosing to omit to mention his ‘colleagues’ like Sandra Lean
David Wilson has also used his relationships with ‘violent’ offenders to ‘promote’ his own ‘career’ and to ‘garner book deals’ (I have never read any of his books). ‘Signs of murder’ appears to be yet more innocence fraud.
Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
I am feeling ridiculously pleased with myself - finally tracked down the keyboard warrior who was always reviewing my books on Amazon as 1* - uncovered who he was (he used a pseudonym) found his work telephone number and then called him!
1:14 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Mark
@Doc_Wynn
Replying to
@ProfDavidWilson
Genuine question...
What if his genuine opinion was that they (your books or anybody's for that matter) weren't very good?
Where does an author stand in regards to this kind of thing?
1:22 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
Replying to
@Doc_Wynn
You accept that your books don’t appeal to everyone - that’s fine. However when the reviews are personal and not professional that’s another matter.
1:39 PM · Apr 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/ProfDavidWilson/status/1642863131293523970
What a moron!
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Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
I am feeling ridiculously pleased with myself - finally tracked down the keyboard warrior who was always reviewing my books on Amazon as 1* - uncovered who he was (he used a pseudonym) found his work telephone number and then called him!
1:14 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Mark
@Doc_Wynn
Replying to
@ProfDavidWilson
Genuine question...
What if his genuine opinion was that they (your books or anybody's for that matter) weren't very good?
Where does an author stand in regards to this kind of thing?
1:22 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
Replying to
@Doc_Wynn
You accept that your books don’t appeal to everyone - that’s fine. However when the reviews are personal and not professional that’s another matter.
1:39 PM · Apr 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/ProfDavidWilson/status/1642863131293523970
What a moron!
Someone’s written a ‘two star’ review on Amazon under his book ‘My life with murderers’
’Having read a few of books by the same author I did not expect too much from this one, and I am afraid I was not disappointed. The author, I hope, expected a rather better quality of work from his post graduate students than what he produces in his books. He gives 'facts' without any evidence, is often simplistic in his prejudices and often deals very briefly about complex issues. There's no footnotes nor an index. For example he tells us, twice, that 104 women are killed each year (since when?) by husbands/boyfriends, 2 per week in fact. Does this occur every year, year in year out? Wilson clearly believes so, but this terrible statistical record surely has variations over time. Likewise, he tells us that black people are not naturally criminally disposed. I am glad to hear it but a little evidence might be useful (when I did my doctorate facts and references were needed; the author here clearly thinks not). It also seems odd that he states black people and Muslims are deemed less trustworthy, which may be true, but he provides no evidence for this and as ever, he is giving a rather one sided slant to this. In fact it all seemed rather like a long article in the Guardian or Observer, where the audience is deemed to share the author's world view, rather than a proper, serious, book by an academic, who should attempt to rein in his prejudices or at least provide proper evidence for them.
The book is a mix of memoir and commentary. The author relates a few interviews he's had with convicted killers; an unnamed man and also Dennis Nilsen. He talks about his time in the prison service but less about his academic career, and provides commentary about serious crimes he only knows from second hand, eg the Dunblane killings, and displays his usual anti-police prejudice. This is not always justified. If he has read Master's book on Nilsen, as he suggests he has, he should recall that the author (a homosexual so hardly a homophobe) discusses three instances where Nilsen's crimes were reported but not followed up and in these instances it was a case of witnesses making themselves unavailable or withdrawing charges, not the fault of the police.
There's a lot more here which derives from his previous work and he's not shy of repeating himself. If only people could be better behaved, and the economy is at the root of crime. Not much evidence of this provided, of course. Britain had fewer murders and no serial ones in the 1930s depression, but in the full employment decades that followed, the number soared, but this hardly fits the book's thesis so is excluded, assuming the author is aware of the fact.
He recommends a previous book of his (naturally), but it is one largely based on merely secondary sources (so can say little original about these cases and repeats errors already long in print), again hopefully not something he recommended/tolerated from his students. Very much a case of 'Do as I say not do as I do'.
This book could have been better if it had stuck to being a memoir of the author's experiences and more detailed, and fact based, in his recommendations. A critical friend might have been of use in modifying this at a later stage of writing. Instead he goes off along varied pathways which detract from the earlier and generally more interesting chapters, where he clearly knows what he's talking about as he's writing from first hand experience. A little more on his academic life might also have been interested, as well as his media career, given the many TV true crime shows he's appeared on as a universal expert witness, given he's spent more of his time doing this than working in prisons.
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What a moron!
Another moronic creep is that Roddy McCleod
During the latest nonsense video, grifter Sandra Lean replies to Roddy McCleod that killer Luke Mitchell phoned the police
Roddy and Scott Forbes then talk about ‘missing’ children and where the police allegedly go to when there are reports of ‘missing’ children
They refer to Reed drive and ‘missing’ children then Roddy McClead refers to a ‘dead child’
The gaslighting/double binds are off the scale and smack of desperation
*&^^&
Did sadistic killer Luke tell police Jodi Jones was ‘missing’ when he phoned them?
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - from at least the age of 12 - was already showing signs of psychopathy
Kara Van Null gave evidence to the police - ‘hours of statements’ - prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest for his murder
Why does ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean choose to dismiss these girls evidence and serious allegations and massive red flags?
The question shouldn’t be why Dr Lean dismisses the girl’s evidence but why after ‘hours and hours of statements’ the police did too. She obviously wasn’t seen as a credible witness or she would have been called to give evidence.
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Sandra Lean
Tracy Anderson Yes!!! A new generation of MSPs who don't know (or don't remember) the case from 2003. Keep with it, and thank you!!!
Sandra Lean
Xllawrie XSammy Yes!!!! This is what we need. Better still that she knows nothing of the case, but is still happy to contact the justice secretary because one of her constituents has concerns. That's the job we vote them in to do - the job we pay them to do!!!
A ‘new generation’ of people who have no idea the pretend ’new evidence’ was from 20 years ago
The ‘red herrings’ regarding circumstantial dna evidence were already known about and an agreement was made by psycho killer and his legal team to not use the circumstantial dna evidence because of the ‘intimate relationship’
*&^^&
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The question shouldn’t be why Dr Lean dismisses the girl’s evidence but why after ‘hours and hours of statements’ the police did too.
How did the police dismiss Kara Van Null’s evidence if they took hours of statement/s from her
*&^^&
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She obviously wasn’t seen as a credible witness or she would have been called to give evidence.
Killer Luke Mitchell’s legal team clearly didn’t think their client was credible and appear to have advised him not to give evidence during his own trial because he wasn’t credible
Did Philip Mitchell give evidence?
Did Philip Mitchell’s partner give evidence?
Anyone know?
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‘Pro Knox Woman’ Michelle Moore Moderator For Cult-Like Sadistic & Psychopath Killer’s Facebook Group (Part 82)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-pro-knox-woman-michelle-moore-moderator-for-cult-like-sadistic-psychopath-killers-facebook-group-part-82/
Michelle Moore mentioned above is married to Steve Moore mentioned below
‘Doug Preston, John Douglas, Steve Moore and Bruce Fischer are by no means the only crackpots in America perpetrating innocence fraud.
Their main distinction was to perpetrate it in English against a victim and a police and court system of other countries, using ignorance and smears and a largely complicit American media to trample hard truths in the case.
But innocence fraud is still a tiny industry in Italy as compared with the godzilla it is becoming in America - often with politically vulnerable judges and usually with naive do-gooders in compliance.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php/casestolearnfrom/comments/artificially_controversial_adnan_syed_case_adds_to_tilt_against_victims
Michelle Moore comments here https://youtu.be/eP2t4XmT3Bk
Michelle Moore is a ‘moderator’ for one of psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell innocence fraud promoting Facebook groups https://www.facebook.com/michellesings
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How did the police dismiss Kara Van Null’s evidence if they took hours of statement/s from her
*&^^&
Null’s evidence would be have been strong corroboration of the Crown’s contention that Luke was a youth who was fascinated by knives and violence, corroboration that in a circumstantial case like his would have been extremely important, and yet she wasn’t called as a witness. There can only be two reasons for this either; a) the whole story, the attack, the police etc was simply made up or b) Null was not thought to be a credible witness. Who knows which one it was but we have stories of multiple people mentioned in the media, all claiming that they saw Luke using a knife in a violent fashion or were victims of his fascination with knives and violence and yet not one of these people were called to give evidence in court.
Odd that.
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Michelle Moore comments here https://youtu.be/eP2t4XmT3Bk
Michelle Moore is a ‘moderator’ for one of psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell innocence fraud promoting Facebook groups https://www.facebook.com/michellesings
Naive Killer Cult-Like Follower Sharon Indy Sunshine’s Projections (Part 104)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-naive-cult-like-follower-sharon-indy-sunshines-projections-part-104/
Sharon Indy Sunshine - another women who supports numerous dangerous, convicted killers is an admin for the Facebook group
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Null’s evidence would be have been strong corroboration of the Crown’s contention that Luke was a youth who was fascinated by knives and violence, corroboration that in a circumstantial case like his would have been extremely important, and yet she wasn’t called as a witness.
Odd that.
Donald Findlay, and psycho killer Luke Mitchell would have argued to ensure Kara Van Null was not called to give evidence
or b) Null was not thought to be a credible witness.
What about Philip Mitchell and his partner - why weren’t they called to give evidence?
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Donald Findlay, and psycho killer Luke Mitchell would have argued to ensure Kara Van Null was not called to give evidence
What about Philip Mitchell and his partner - why weren’t they called to give evidence?
What legal argument could they have used to stop Null testifying? There are none.
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Ignoring the pejorative tone of the article below it does go some way to disproving the lie that Luke’s father had disowned him.
‘MONSTER Luke Mitchell threw a 25-minute tantrum behind bars because prison officers wouldn't let him speak to his mum.
The boy killer of Jodi Jones cracked and started whining after he was refused a phone call home. A source said: 'He was shouting, bawling and greeting.'
Officers at Polmont Young Offenders Institution grabbed Mitchell and forced him back into his cell.
His mother and father rushed to visit him yesterday as he struggled to adapt to life as a convict. Mitchell showed no emotion on Friday as he was found guilty of strangling and butchering girlfriend Jodi when they were both only 14.
But the killer's coolness deserted him on his first night in Polmont.
New inmates are only allowed to use designated phone numbers for calls to their families.
But after staff got no reply from Mitchell's mother's land line, he demanded that they call her mobile - a number which wasn't on their list.
The officers refused and Mitchell threw a fit.
The Record's source said: 'He was shouting and bawling and refusing to go back in his cell, all the time greetin' about how he wanted to speak to his mammy.
'Officers were reluctant to lay hands on him and there was a bit of a stand-off.
'Mitchell was also refusing to wear the clothes he had been given because he was handed a white T-shirt.
'He said: 'I've never worn a f***ing white T-shirt in my life.' 'After he had kicked off for 25 minutes, the staff got fed up of his whingeing and realised they would have to bring him under control.
'They grabbed him and put him back in his cell.
'Mitchell will have to learn he is locked up now, and isn't the one in control any more.
'No one cares what he wants.' Mitchell threw his tantrum at 7.15 on Saturday evening, hours after arriving at his new home. He spent Friday night at Saughton jail in Edinburgh before being moved.
Yesterday, his mother and father drove to Polmont to comfort him - with a mystery girl friend of Mitchell in tow.
Corinne Mitchell, accused in court of lying for her son to give him an alibi, emerged from her home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in skin-tight jeans, knee-length boots and a black top which exposed her midriff.
With her was a teenage girl who looked like one of Mitchell's Goth pals.
She had long dyed black hair and a lip stud, and wore a striped brown blazer festooned with badges, a black T-shirt and baggy ripped jeans.
The pair got into Mrs Mitchell's J-reg BMW for the 50-minute drive to Polmont. They were joined there by Mitchell's dad, Philip, who made his own way from Livingston, West Lothian, in a white works van.
It was the first time Mitchell's parents had been seen together since the murder inquiry began in June2003.
The couple split in 1999 and divorced in 2002, and their relationship has remained frosty.
Mr and Mrs Mitchell and the girl wandered from the car park to the gates to register for the 1.30pm visit.
They were inside for an hour and 20minutes and emerged laughing and joking. But their mood changed when they spotted journalists outside.
Mr Mitchell followed and berated one photographer, then tried to use his van to stop his ex-wife being photographed as she left. As a matter of routine, Mitchell has been placed on suicide watch at Polmont. ‘
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+CRIES+FOR+HIS+MUMMY%3B+MITCHELL%27S+FIRST+NIGHT+BEHIND+BARS+..+and...-a0127525554
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Ignoring the pejorative tone of the article below it does go some way to disproving the lie that Luke’s father had disowned him.
Who said Philip Mitchell has ‘disowned’ his killer son?
It was known in 2010 Philip Mitchell had attended a court hearing
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‘Yesterday, his mother and father drove to Polmont to comfort him - with a mystery girl friend of Mitchell in tow.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+CRIES+FOR+HIS+MUMMY%3B+MITCHELL%27S+FIRST+NIGHT+BEHIND+BARS+..+and...-a0127525554
And Gemma Chapman wasn’t a ‘mystery girlfriend’ she was another of killer Luke Mitchell’s victims who had also attended his trial
It was via Gemma Chapman that the original trial was halted
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And Gemma Chapman wasn’t a ‘mystery girlfriend’ she was another of killer Luke Mitchell’s victims who had also attended his trial
Wouldn’t be surprised to learn Gemma Chapman received hassle from people like Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell after she realised she was groomed and conned by the psycho killer
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Null’s evidence would be have been strong corroboration of the Crown’s contention that Luke was a youth who was fascinated by knives and violence, corroboration that in a circumstantial case like his would have been extremely important, and yet she wasn’t called as a witness. There can only be two reasons for this either; a) the whole story, the attack, the police etc was simply made up or b) Null was not thought to be a credible witness. Who knows which one it was but we have stories of multiple people mentioned in the media, all claiming that they saw Luke using a knife in a violent fashion or were victims of his fascination with knives and violence and yet not one of these people were called to give evidence in court.
Odd that.
Was Kara Van Null’s evidence used to convict the psycho killer Luke Mitchell on possession of a knife or knives in public places, including St David's high school, on occasions between January and June 2003?
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So, the inference is that there were two separate knife pouches, as well as two separate knives (the missing brown handled one and the black handled one purchased for camping on 13.12.03)? Or was there only one knife pouch (the one with 666 and the Jodi inscription on it) and LM was using it as a pouch for the black handled knife?
According to Craig Dobbie the replacement knife Corinne Mitchell bought her son for Christmas 2003 came with a knife pouch identical to the one found in killer Luke Mitchell bedroom
“We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect
We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously
The clues that snared a murderer - 21st January 2005
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
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All those people choosing to ‘support’ sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell and his gaslighting enablers should be questioning Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes politics regarding dangerous teen offenders like killer Luke Mitchell and rapist Sean Hogg
NEWS: Dalkeith, Midlothian - rapist Sean Hogg
Fury as man, 21, who raped 13-year-old in park walks free as he is deemed too young to be sent to prison and is only made to carry out 270 hours of unpaid work in 'insult' to his victim
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935437/Fury-man-21-raped-13-year-old-park-walks-free-young-sent-prison.html
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All those people choosing to ‘support’ sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell and his gaslighting enablers should be questioning Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes politics regarding dangerous teen offenders like killer Luke Mitchell and rapist Sean Hogg
NEWS: Dalkeith, Midlothian - rapist Sean Hogg
Fury as man, 21, who raped 13-year-old in park walks free as he is deemed too young to be sent to prison and is only made to carry out 270 hours of unpaid work in 'insult' to his victim
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935437/Fury-man-21-raped-13-year-old-park-walks-free-young-sent-prison.html
This is nonsense
‘Under new court guidance, criminals under the age of 25 are treated more leniently because of their alleged brain immaturity.
See ‘brain overclaim syndrome’ (BOS) by Stephen Morse
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Ana Azaria
Sharon Indy Sunshine Freddie Gren Matt Elliott Angie Timothy Nicola Brennan Barbara Bacon Sheryl Oribine Rachel Roll
What the jury didn't know
TOXICOLOGY
I've heard a few people say 'but we don't know what the jury were shown, they must have been shown evidence at the trial which led them to believe that Mitchell was guilty. There must have been something we don't know about' (the inference being that the evidence we DO know about is questionable in terms of being enough to convict him, so there must be something we haven't heard, right?).
But we do know what information the jury were given, even the appeal papers detail the points on which the conviction was based, and the evidence on which the the jury were entitled to infer guilt.
What we also now know, is that there was a significant list of facts which were NOT provided to the jury, many of which undermine the evidence they were given.
Jodi and toxicology
It is worth bearing in mind that the defence had a huge amount of information to look through - the task of determining which information was significant, could not have been an easy job, especially considering they had less time than the prosecution to process the information. The purpose of this post is to look at information which was not used, and how it relates to the case. We will never know whether it could have had an effect on the verdict.
An analyst was brought in to the case during the investigation, to determine a ‘window of opportunity’ for Luke to have committed the crime. This information was not known to the defence until around ten years after Luke’s conviction. The analyst did not provide information on windows of opportunity for others relating to the investigation. What the analysis also failed to take in to account, was the fact that toxicology showed the presence of cannabis in Jodi’s blood stream, and that it was ingested less than two hours before she died (bearing in mind that the time of death was never truly ascertained).
None of the witnesses who claimed to see Jodi (AB between 4.49 - 4.54pm, or the two independent witnesses around 5.05pm) said that she was smoking a joint. There was no smoking paraphernalia found on or around her. There was a large amount of cannabis in Jodi’s home that afternoon (a documented fact) but family members denied giving any to her. According to statements from Juj and another family member, there was no smoking of cannabis in the house other than in one room (the other family members room), so it is unlikely that Jodi inhaled enough cannabis in the house for it to show in her system – of which toxicology showed that there was around a joints worth. None of Jodi’s school friends mentioned in statements, seeing her smoking weed at lunch time (which would have been out-with the two hours anyway), and Luke denied giving any cannabis to Jodi for her to take home. People that she smoked with said that she would not have smoked a joint while walking by herself.
If Jodi’s time of leaving home at 4.50pm is to be taken as fact, and AB’s sighting of 4.49 - 4.54pm is to be taken as fact, and the suggested time of death – 5.15pm is to be taken as fact, then that would leave a very short window of time for Jodi to have met someone, smoked a joint and then for the murder to have taken place – bearing in mind that evidence shows that the attack on Jodi did not appear to happen in one spot only and was a prolonged attack. It would have taken Jodi a minimum of 5 minutes to walk from the spot where AB believed she had seen the boy and girl standing, and to then climb the wall and smoke a joint – it would take the time to 5.08pm or thereabouts - leaving just 8 minutes for the entire attack to take place.
But then there is the 5.05pm sighting of Jodi by two independent witnesses – which the jury were totally unaware of - which would have brought the time of death even later than 5.15pm, especially if she had met someone to smoke a joint after leaving the house.
If the two witness sightings of Jodi at around 5.05pm are to be taken as fact (these witnesses mentioned a stocky man following Jodi, and they did not mention Luke with her), and Jodi smoked a joint after this sighting, then she was not murdered at 5.15pm and the murderer could not have been Luke. Luke had an alibi from around 5.15pm when his mother arrived home from work, she said that he had cooked dinner (something he usually did).
At the trial, the prosecution did not mention the toxicology results/smoking of a joint even though the information was available to them
Gill Millington
It's really helpful to have everything laid out so clearly. A fantastic informative post! Thank you.
Angie Timothy
See when i read things put together like this it just makes me question so much especially the timings and the window of opportunity its impossible for it to have been Luke.
Sheryl Oribine
Angie Timothy That's exactly my thoughts too!! xx
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All those people choosing to ‘support’ sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell and his gaslighting enablers should be questioning Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes politics regarding dangerous teen offenders like killer Luke Mitchell and rapist Sean Hogg
NEWS: Dalkeith, Midlothian - rapist Sean Hogg
Fury as man, 21, who raped 13-year-old in park walks free as he is deemed too young to be sent to prison and is only made to carry out 270 hours of unpaid work in 'insult' to his victim
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935437/Fury-man-21-raped-13-year-old-park-walks-free-young-sent-prison.html
Given the victim was only 13 when he was 17, I would have thought some jail time was inevitable -- especially as sex crimes have been such a hot potato since the inception of Mappa in Scotland circa 2007. I guess the guy got lucky because of the combination of the new legislation and the Judge's own personal discretion. I personally am a bit ambivalent about the sentence imposed, because, on the one hand, legally he was not yet an adult at the time of the offence (16-18 is a tricky and complex time for most teenagers, as they make the transition into becoming an adult), and, on the other, it is still rape and there was a 4-year age gap between the accused and victim, as well as him doing it on various occasions over a 3-month period. I'd really need to analyse the case in its entirety for me to give a proper judgement. I don't agree with the SNP guidelines that 25 years of age or younger is too young to go to prison; that should, imo, be reduced to 21 years of age or younger. What I will say is, given this guy's case is all over the media, and he was placed on the sex offenders' register for 3 years to coincide with his probation, you can bet that his life as a free man will not be easy, at least not initially, and very possibly will have to relocate to a different area for his own safety and wellbeing. And, like I said, the fact that his case was/is all over the media, he may never ever be able to lead a normal life, and I suspect the Judge took this into consideration when he passed sentence. Not everyone deserves a second chance, but this guy does (imo). I think it was wise to put him on the maximum amount of probation Scottish Law allows (3 years), as this is ample time to assess if he'll re-offend or rehabilitate.
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Given the victim was only 13 when he was 17, I would have thought some jail time was inevitable -- especially as sex crimes have been such a hot potato since the inception of Mappa in Scotland circa 2007. I guess the guy got lucky because of the combination of the new legislation and the Judge's own personal discretion. I personally am a bit ambivalent about the sentence imposed, because, on the one hand, legally he was not yet an adult at the time of the offence (16-18 is a tricky and complex time for most teenagers, as they make the transition into becoming an adult), and, on the other, it is still rape and there was a 4-year age gap between the accused and victim, as well as him doing it on various occasions over a 3-month period. I'd really need to analyse the case in its entirety for me to give a proper judgement. I don't agree with the SNP guidelines that 25 years of age or younger is too young to go to prison; that should, imo, be reduced to 21 years of age or younger. What I will say is, given this guy's case is all over the media, and he was placed on the sex offenders' register for 3 years to coincide with his probation, you can bet that his life as a free man will not be easy, at least not initially, and very possibly will have to relocate to a different area for his own safety and wellbeing. And, like I said, the fact that his case was/is all over the media, he may never ever be able to lead a normal life, and I suspect the Judge took this into consideration when he passed sentence. Not everyone deserves a second chance, but this guy does (imo). I think it was wise to put him on the maximum amount of probation Scottish Law allows (3 years), as this is ample time to assess if he'll re-offend or rehabilitate.
The judge might like to have taken into consideration the message it sends to young Scottish men, that rape is not that serious a crime if you’re under 25 and you won’t go to prison for it. He might also like to consider the message it sends to rape victims who are now even less likely to report these crimes against themselves if they think the judicial system is simply going to make a mockery of their suffering.
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But then there is the 5.05pm sighting of Jodi by two independent witnesses – which the jury were totally unaware of - which would have brought the time of death even later than 5.15pm, especially if she had met someone to smoke a joint after leaving the house.
If the two witness sightings of Jodi at around 5.05pm are to be taken as fact (these witnesses mentioned a stocky man following Jodi, and they did not mention Luke with her), and Jodi smoked a joint after this sighting, then she was not murdered at 5.15pm and the murderer could not have been Luke. Luke had an alibi from around 5.15pm when his mother arrived home from work, she said that he had cooked dinner (something he usually did).
Gill Millington
It's really helpful to have everything laid out so clearly. A fantastic informative post! Thank you.
Angie Timothy
See when i read things put together like this it just makes me question so much especially the timings and the window of opportunity its impossible for it to have been Luke.
Sheryl Oribine
Angie Timothy That's exactly my thoughts too!! xx
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Who is Ana Azaria? Is she another podcaster? Are these 2 "facts" left unchallenged, or as it seems does everyone just lap it up. Do they ever discuss the possibility that all 3 Mitchell's might not have been at home at 5pm and who were the 2 independent witness who saw Jodi at 5.05pm. Surely dynamite for Don Fin QC!
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Who is Ana Azaria? Is she another podcaster? Are these 2 "facts" left unchallenged, or as it seems does everyone just lap it up. Do they ever discuss the possibility that all 3 Mitchell's might not have been at home at 5pm and who were the 2 independent witness who saw Jodi at 5.05pm. Surely dynamite for Don Fin QC!
Those ‘facts’
“ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.
"Both witnesses saw the girl walking in Easthouses Road towards the entrance to the Roman Dyke pathway at around 5pm and both also noticed a man walking closely behind the girl.”
As to all 3 Mitchell’s not being at home at 5pm, why discuss something that there is absolutely no evidence for?
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All those people choosing to ‘support’ sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell and his gaslighting enablers should be questioning Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes politics regarding dangerous teen offenders like killer Luke Mitchell and rapist Sean Hogg
Heather Brunt
This Rapist's Face Should Be EVERYWHERE. He Raped A 13 year Old Child, The Judge Said if He Was Over 25 He Would Have Been Given A Custodial Sentence, He Got Community Service
That Poor Girl Has To Live With This
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02sWub7p9U25M5jyW7wg6H5jbmGRzxzP9dTzcD4NEKDCwmNooKmQcqmVHNjN6tMffgl&id=1012973830
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All those people choosing to ‘support’ sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell and his gaslighting enablers should be questioning Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes politics regarding dangerous teen offenders like killer Luke Mitchell and rapist Sean Hogg
Danielle Barclay
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@judgejules75
Where is the justice in Scotland...there is none. Sickens me... 😒 Wtf 😭
4:37 pm · 3 Apr 2023
Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Judge Lord Lake needs looked into and fired. There is no justice ⚖️ in Scotland. This is wrong. Wtf.
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A man who was found guilty of raping a 13-year-old girl in a park has walked free from court.
https://news.stv.tv/east-central/man-who-raped-13-year-old-girl-in-midlothian-park-handed-community-payback-order-at-glasgow-high-court…
4:43 pm · 3 Apr 2023
https://twitter.com/danitoe/status/1642915616754368514
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
REVEALED: DNA evidence from body of murdered Jodi Jones was NOT tested!
Vital swabs taken from schoolgirl never forensically tested.
'...then to discover Jodi was covered in this (bodily fluid) which was never been tested....'
#justiceforjodijones #justiceforlukemitchell
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12:10 pm · 26 Mar 2023
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
Replying to
@AuldM
Agree! Once you read and see everything and new disturbing information regarding police and hiding evidence plus Luke being a child at the time....it is just evil and wrong. I am ashamed of Scotlands 'justice' sinister police,courts and media plus Jodi's own family lies.
8:26 pm · 2 Apr 2023
https://twitter.com/danitoe/status/1642609369446481922
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According to Craig Dobbie the replacement knife Corinne Mitchell bought her son for Christmas 2003 came with a knife pouch identical to the one found in killer Luke Mitchell bedroom
“We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect
We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously
The clues that snared a murderer - 21st January 2005
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
Thanks for that Scotsman link, Nicholas (think I've read it before, but forgot all about it). It clearly highlights that there were 2 identical knives (apart from the handle colours) and 2 identical knife pouches. So, where did the brown-handled knife that many people saw LM with during early 2003 disappear to? More damning circumstantial evidence against LM. There was an entire aircraft hangar of incriminating circumstantial evidence used against LM in court over 42 days. It was no surprise at all that he was convicted. I've read posts on other forums from people who were on the jury at the trial and everyone of them were in no doubt whatsoever about his guilt.
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Sicko Scott Forbes AKA Auld Mick
Auld Mick
@AuldM
Replying to
@OtleyGerald
100% there is 15 deposits of sperm on the victims body, 2 from her lips were tested but inconclusive, the rest were hidden away and not tested. There is a 'hidden file' with other samples never tested either
7:59 am · 30 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1641334359276781569
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Thanks for that Scotsman link, Nicholas (think I've read it before, but forgot all about it). It clearly highlights that there were 2 identical knives (apart from the handle colours) and 2 identical knife pouches.
It does appear there were two identical knife pouches
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So, where did the brown-handled knife that many people saw LM with during early 2003 disappear to?
What did Philip Mitchell say about his killer sons knives?
And who bought him the brown handled knife?
Laura Wightman said she saw him with the missing knife pouch in Pizza Hut on Friday 27th June 2003
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
So the 2nd July they print they can not name due to being a minor, but by the 4th they name 14 year old minor Luke Mitchell.
That is the beginning of the witch trial, trial by media on Luke Mitchell and his family. #justiceforjodiandluke
#trialbymedia
@PoliceScotland
#corrupt
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11:28 am · 31 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/danitoe/status/1641749373552918530
2nd July 2003
“At the time, Jodi’s boyfriend - whom the Record has decided not to name because he is a minor - began searching the-mile-and-half-long path between the villages
Who edited the 2nd of July article and who edited the 4th July article at the Record?
4th July 2003
“The grieving boyfriend of Jodi Jones yesterday left a message for the murdered girl among a sea of tributes near the spot where her body was found.
Luke Mitchell, 14, left three white and three red roses at the entrance to the footpath where she met her death.
The card - which had the words ‘I Love You’ printed on it - also carried a song lyric in Luke’s distinctive handwriting.
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2nd July 2003
“At the time, Jodi’s boyfriend - whom the Record has decided not to name because he is a minor - began searching the-mile-and-half-long path between the villages
Who edited the 2nd of July article and who edited the 4th July article at the Record?
4th July 2003
“The grieving boyfriend of Jodi Jones yesterday left a message for the murdered girl among a sea of tributes near the spot where her body was found.
Luke Mitchell, 14, left three white and three red roses at the entrance to the footpath where she met her death.
The card - which had the words ‘I Love You’ printed on it - also carried a song lyric in Luke’s distinctive handwriting.
Wasn’t psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell in Sainsbury’s buying a Marilyn Manson DVD on the 2nd July 2003
Why didn’t he think to get flowers before getting himself the Marilyn Manson DVD
”The portion we watched also seemed to include a number of flash images. In some there seemed to be a young girl who is naked.”
https://www.nme.com/news/music/marilyn-manson-133-1357041
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2nd July 2003
“At the time, Jodi’s boyfriend - whom the Record has decided not to name because he is a minor - began searching the-mile-and-half-long path between the villages
How did the Record know psycho killer Luke Mitchell ‘began searching the-mile-and-half-long path between the villages’ by the 2nd July 2003?
Did he, or his mother Corinne Mitchell, tell one of the reporters (Sally McLean, Lori Campbell, Ian Dow & Jack Mathieson) this?
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4th July 2003
“The grieving boyfriend of Jodi Jones yesterday left a message for the murdered girl among a sea of tributes near the spot where her body was found.
Luke Mitchell, 14, left three white and three red roses at the entrance to the footpath where she met her death.
The card - which had the words ‘I Love You’ printed on it - also carried a song lyric in Luke’s distinctive handwriting.
And how did the reporters (Lori Campbell, Ian Dow) know it was psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘distinctive handwriting’?
Did one of his school friends contact the Record to tell them or did they speak to one of his school friends?
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4th July 2003
“The grieving boyfriend of Jodi Jones yesterday left a message for the murdered girl among a sea of tributes near the spot where her body was found.
Luke Mitchell, 14, left three white and three red roses at the entrance to the footpath where she met her death.
The card - which had the words ‘I Love You’ printed on it - also carried a song lyric in Luke’s distinctive handwriting.
The sexual deviant killer Luke Mitchell’s first thought, following his police questioning on the 1st July 2003, appeared to be buying himself a Marilyn Manson DVD (on 2nd July 2003) which included ’flash images of a young girl who is naked’
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The flowers were a ruse
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4th July 2003
“The grieving boyfriend of Jodi Jones yesterday left a message for the murdered girl among a sea of tributes near the spot where her body was found.
Luke Mitchell, 14, left three white and three red roses at the entrance to the footpath where she met her death.
The card - which had the words ‘I Love You’ printed on it - also carried a song lyric in Luke’s distinctive handwriting.
The police found 20 bottle of urine in killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on this day
20 bottles!
There is no way he filled 20 bottles up from when he got home from the police station on the 1st July to when the police raided his home early on the 4th July 2003!
Plus the police family liaison officer was at the Mitchell house for a few hours on the 2nd & 3rd July 2003
He was peeing in bottles before he committed his murder!
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The sexual deviant killer Luke Mitchell’s first thought, following his police questioning on the 1st July 2003, appeared to be buying himself a Marilyn Manson DVD (on 2nd July 2003) which included ’flash images of a young girl who is naked’
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The flowers were a ruse
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And the psycho killer Luke Mitchell had watched the Marilyn Manson DVD by the time it was seized by the police on the 4th July 2003 because he was able to tell police during his interview what he had watched
Innocence Fraud: Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Thanks for that Scotsman link, Nicholas (think I've read it before, but forgot all about it). It clearly highlights that there were 2 identical knives (apart from the handle colours) and 2 identical knife pouches. So, where did the brown-handled knife that many people saw LM with during early 2003 disappear to? More damning circumstantial evidence against LM. There was an entire aircraft hangar of incriminating circumstantial evidence used against LM in court over 42 days. It was no surprise at all that he was convicted. I've read posts on other forums from people who were on the jury at the trial and everyone of them were in no doubt whatsoever about his guilt.
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The appellant had an interest in knives, having been seen, in particular, with a 4 inch lock-knife, contained in a pouch (a "skunting" knife), in the months prior to the murder (a sample knife was lodged as a production). That knife and pouch were not found during the police search of the appellant's house on 4 July 2003.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did Philip Mitchell identify his killer sons missing brown handled ‘skunking’ knife?
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Paragraph [27] He saw the deceased at lunchtime on the day of the murder. She had taken the school bus home after school and he had walked……. He had returned home at around 1600 or 1605 and the deceased had texted him at 1620, asking if he was coming out.
Who gave evidence to support killer Luke Mitchell having walked home from school that day - does anyone know?
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What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing Jack Pyke brown handled knife and Jack Pyke leather knife pouch - does any one know?
Jodi murder accused 'was seen with knife’ - 24th November 2004
“Miss Coutts, who now lives in Shetland with her father, told the court she used to live in Edinburgh with her mother before moving north in March of last year.
She said the sister of her mother's boyfriend's lived with Mitchell's father in Livingston and that she would sometimes visit the house.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
And was it the sister of Ashley Coutts mothers boyfriend who bought killer Luke Mitchell the Marilyn Manson calendar?
Did she and Philip Mitchell get married?
‘Classmate Alexander Hamilton, 16, says he saw Mitchell produce a knife from his pocket in a technological studies class.
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And the psycho killer Luke Mitchell had watched the Marilyn Manson DVD by the time it was seized by the police on the 4th July 2003 because he was able to tell police during his interview what he had watched
Innocence Fraud: Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
This DVD was supposedly a freebie that came with a magazine -- was that the reason LM purchased said magazine in the first place? Regardless, who in their right mind would want to view such content at that time? But, it seems that LM was impervious to all that was going on at that time, with friends saying he was bragging in nightclubs --- only a week after Jodi's murder -- that he was a suspect in a murder inquiry (this is in the public domain, but I can't remember the link to the article). Another friend (a female or ex-girlfriend) said he was 'swanning around Woodburn like a peacock' in the days soon after the murder (the link is in the public domain somewhere, too). So, it seems LM was thriving and living off of his notoriety as a murder suspect and loving being at the centre of attention. Very telling.
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Regardless, who in their right mind would want to view such content at that time? But, it seems that LM was impervious to all that was going on at that time, with friends saying he was bragging in nightclubs --- only a week after Jodi's murder -- that he was a suspect in a murder inquiry (this is in the public domain, but I can't remember the link to the article). Another friend (a female or ex-girlfriend) said he was 'swanning around Woodburn like a peacock' in the days soon after the murder (the link is in the public domain somewhere, too). So, it seems LM was thriving and living off of his notoriety as a murder suspect and loving being at the centre of attention. Very telling.
That was Kara Van Null
'One of my friends said he had five girls on the go but I didn't care because I was crazy about him. He was so polite. I suspected he might have been a bit of a geek. But he always sent me lovely text messages.' But Miss van Nuil said she also saw flashes of his temper: 'One time he was on the shooting range and got told off by one of the instructors. All of a sudden he shouted something, threw down his gun and stormed off.
'There were other times, too. If someone so much as criticised him, he would lose his temper and shout and swear at them.' After the knife attack, she dumped Mitchell. But two days after he was first questioned about Jodi's murder, Miss van Nuil saw him walking down her street. She said: 'I was looking out the window. He was parading around like a cockerel. His friends all came out and started hugging him as if he was a hero.
'I was terrified. I hid behind the curtain, shaking, and hoped he would not see me’.
Innocence Fraud: Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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This DVD was supposedly a freebie that came with a magazine -- was that the reason LM purchased said magazine in the first place? Regardless, who in their right mind would want to view such content at that time? But, it seems that LM was impervious to all that was going on at that time, with friends saying he was bragging in nightclubs --- only a week after Jodi's murder -- that he was a suspect in a murder inquiry (this is in the public domain, but I can't remember the link to the article). Another friend (a female or ex-girlfriend) said he was 'swanning around Woodburn like a peacock' in the days soon after the murder (the link is in the public domain somewhere, too). So, it seems LM was thriving and living off of his notoriety as a murder suspect and loving being at the centre of attention. Very telling.
Can’t tell if Kara Van Null saw killer Luke Mitchell on the 2nd or 3rd of July 2003 but he was a ‘witness’ until he became a suspect on the 3rd July - or police suspicions increased by the 3rd
”……the teenager was nothing more than a witness at the beginning of the investigation
"It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
He was questioned as a suspect on the 4th July 2003
"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.
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https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
He was questioned as a suspect on the 4th July 2003
"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.
It appears a lot of people who knew killer Luke Mitchell had been contacting the police as soon as they learned Jodi Jones had been killed - before the 3rd July 2003
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
So the 2nd July they print they can not name due to being a minor, but by the 4th they name 14 year old minor Luke Mitchell.
That is the beginning of the witch trial, trial by media on Luke Mitchell and his family. #justiceforjodiandluke
#trialbymedia
@PoliceScotland
#corrupt
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11:28 am · 31 Mar 2023
https://twitter.com/danitoe/status/1641749373552918530
Was 14 year old psychopathic killer Aiden Fucci also tried ‘by media’
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14922681/aiden-fucci-selfie-proud-tristyn-bailey/
“….Sheriff Robert Hardwick told WOKV that the image shows he is ”proud of what he did."
"I know it looks egregious with him making those statements in that car, but that is now evidence that we gather and use against him.
"So that just makes our case a better case to present to the State Attorney’s office and to present to a jury down the road saying this was his mindset," Hardwick said.
"This is what he’s doing, was he’s proud of what he did. So, you know, this is going to help our case and make it stronger to, you know, his intentions."
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Was 14 year old psychopathic killer Aiden Fucci also tried ‘by media’
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14922681/aiden-fucci-selfie-proud-tristyn-bailey/
“….Sheriff Robert Hardwick told WOKV that the image shows he is ”proud of what he did."
"I know it looks egregious with him making those statements in that car, but that is now evidence that we gather and use against him.
"So that just makes our case a better case to present to the State Attorney’s office and to present to a jury down the road saying this was his mindset," Hardwick said.
"This is what he’s doing, was he’s proud of what he did. So, you know, this is going to help our case and make it stronger to, you know, his intentions."
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell’s ‘mindset’ was to go to Sainsburys and purchase a Marilyn Manson DVD
His ‘mindset’ when his mother Corinne Mitchell kept telephoning his mobile on the night if the 30th June/morning of the 1st July was to tell her to “stop f..king phoning” - according to Scott Forbes
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That misogynistic creep Roddy MacCleod made the false claim on 30th March 2023 of psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell;
“No previous acts of violence or disorder”
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Which is yet another bare faced lie
Innocence Fraud: Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.
Was 14 year old psychopathic killer Aiden Fucci also tried ‘by media’
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14922681/aiden-fucci-selfie-proud-tristyn-bailey/
“….Sheriff Robert Hardwick told WOKV that the image shows he is ”proud of what he did."
"I know it looks egregious with him making those statements in that car, but that is now evidence that we gather and use against him.
"So that just makes our case a better case to present to the State Attorney’s office and to present to a jury down the road saying this was his mindset," Hardwick said.
"This is what he’s doing, was he’s proud of what he did. So, you know, this is going to help our case and make it stronger to, you know, his intentions."
This 14 year old psycho killer also fantasised about murder
ENTIRE interview with Zophie Bauman | Aiden Fucci’s girlfriend
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Reading more of Sandra’s book and I tell you, im good with books but this has me reading 10 pages and needing a week to process them😅 . There’s something I find really odd(I find EVERYTHING ODD in this case) but particularly odd… and it’s that JuJ doesn’t know who told her about the finding of Jodis body. On the night after hearing a body was found,she ran to the entrance to the path and was stopped by an officer, when asked why she ran there and about it she said ‘ it was because I knew the searchers were in the woods and my mum told me a body was found’ but in a later statement said her sister Agnes told her after answering Judith’s call to AW mobile @ 11.53 but the issue with that is at 11.53 the searchers were still at the path and the aunt wasn’t there…personally I feel that I’d remember who gave me the worse new of my life, I understand trauma affects people differently, i just feel I’d forever remember those words and the way/who it was said etc…I mean no disrespect to JuJ with this post. I just wonder how other people view it is all!
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Maureen Heron If the Scottish justice system was more like America, Luke would have been just as likely to have been convicted. His family didn't have the sort of money needed to pay for a proper defence, so he'd have been given a public defender - the equivalent of a Legal Aid lawyer. The scales would have been every bit as unevenly tipped as they were under our own system.
The only difference would have been that the documents would have been in the public domain - except, probably, the ones that were hidden - i.e. the really important ones!!!
You just need to look at the number of wrongful convictions in the US to see that the same problems exist over there as here - so many people said to me, in the early days, I knew it happened in the US, but I never believed it could happen here.
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What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing Jack Pyke brown handled knife and Jack Pyke leather knife pouch - does any one know?
Jodi murder accused 'was seen with knife’ - 24th November 2004
“Miss Coutts, who now lives in Shetland with her father, told the court she used to live in Edinburgh with her mother before moving north in March of last year.
She said the sister of her mother's boyfriend's lived with Mitchell's father in Livingston and that she would sometimes visit the house.
The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
And was it the sister of Ashley Coutts mothers boyfriend who bought killer Luke Mitchell the Marilyn Manson calendar?
Did she and Philip Mitchell get married?
Suspect Miss Coutts was who killer Luke Mitchell first attacked with a knife when he was 12 years of age
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The replacement black handled stunting knife was ‘only for cutting weed’ but liar Corinne Mitchell claimed it was for a camping trip.
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Killer Luke Mitchell also told police the black handled replacement stunting knife was his fish knife
Never heard anything about him going fishing - in 20 years!
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Suspect Miss Coutts was who killer Luke Mitchell first attacked with a knife when he was 12 years of age
It would seem so. And by previous logic she would appear to be a credible witness as she was called to court. As neither of the case experts witnessed her testimony we'll never know what was said, however the amount of allegations of knife use and threats by a 14 year old is alarming. Also we'll never what was reported to police and not used in court. Camping and fishing, whatever next. Maybe he used it to cut CM's prawns.
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It would seem so. And by previous logic she would appear to be a credible witness as she was called to court.
I also suspect Miss Coutts may have given evidence about the missing khaki green parka jacket
It was stated ‘friends and family’ gave evidence that psycho killer Luke Mitchell owned a khaki green parka before his murder - Miss Coutts could have been loosely described as family
Intimate Partner Femicide Timeline UPDATED
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It would seem so. And by previous logic she would appear to be a credible witness as she was called to court. As neither of the case experts witnessed her testimony we'll never know what was said,
Philip Mitchell and his partner would have been aware of this incident at the time too and I strongly suspect Corinne Mitchell was also made aware - at the time
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It would seem so. And by previous logic she would appear to be a credible witness as she was called to court. As neither of the case experts witnessed her testimony we'll never know what was said, however the amount of allegations of knife use and threats by a 14 year old is alarming. Also we'll never what was reported to police and not used in court. Camping and fishing, whatever next. Maybe he used it to cut CM's prawns.
And Miss Coutts evidence was that she had seen psycho killer Luke Mitchell with the/a knife ‘more than once’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
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I also suspect Miss Coutts may have given evidence about the missing khaki green parka jacket
It was stated ‘friends and family’ gave evidence that psycho killer Luke Mitchell owned a khaki green parka before his murder - Miss Coutts could have been loosely described as family
Intimate Partner Femicide Timeline UPDATED
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There were allegedly 53 court witness testimonies that claimed LM had a green parka in 2002/3 from Kim T to various schoolfriends and family, both male and female, one of whom provided a photo (that was never returned). Why would his mother buy him a new one a week later in the middle of summer?
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There were allegedly 53 court witness testimonies that claimed LM had a green parka in 2002/3 from Kim T to various schoolfriends and family, both male and female, one of whom provided a photo (that was never returned). Why would his mother buy him a new one a week later in the middle of summer?
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn there was a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing the missing green parka jacket before his murder.
Intimate Partner Femicide Timeline
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There were allegedly 53 court witness testimonies that claimed LM had a green parka in 2002/3 from Kim T to various schoolfriends and family, both male and female, one of whom provided a photo (that was never returned). Why would his mother buy him a new one a week later in the middle of summer?
Sandra Lean, and others, have gone out of their way to discredit these girls (now women) evidence of assaults by killer Luke Mitchell but have you noticed Sandra doesn’t refer to Miss Coutts evidence
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There were allegedly 53 court witness testimonies that claimed LM had a green parka in 2002/3 from Kim T to various schoolfriends and family, both male and female, one of whom provided a photo (that was never returned). Why would his mother buy him a new one a week later in the middle of summer?
There were around 100 witnesses who gave evidence during the trial
And all of them knew killer Luke Mitchell far better than Sandra Lean pretends to know him
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Good evening, everyone. I'll be speaking with Sonia Poulton on Rise TV tomorrow at 8.30am tomorrow. See you there!
Sónia Poulton is renowned for pushing innocence fraud
She also supports psychooathic child killer, mass murderer, rapist and coercive controller Jeremy Bamber
And has also had that other Michael Naughton from Bristol university on
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There were around 100 witnesses who gave evidence during the trial
And all of them knew killer Luke Mitchell far better than grifter Sandra Lean pretends to know him
LM must be laughing his guilty head off that he's got Lean & Forbes doing his shilling for him. There were photos taken at the Ramage Inc concert with PM & LM and think both had parkas. There was also school CCTV. The idea that at least 4 young girls who didnt know each other fabricated stories about LM for cash is preposterous and typical of the Lean & Co campaign. I'll stand by my unqualified opinion that SL is seriously deranged. Forbes is too far gone and always has been.
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There were photos taken at the Ramage Inc concert with PM & LM and think both had parkas. There was also school CCTV. The idea that at least 4 young girls who didnt know each other fabricated stories about LM for cash is preposterous and typical of the Lean & Co campaign. I'll stand by my unqualified opinion that SL is seriously deranged.
I stand by my opinion that Sandra Lean has all the traits of a classic psychopath
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Forbes is too far gone and always has been.
IMO, Scott Forbes is an abusive fantasist and his drug taking doesn’t help his fantastical story telling
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There were photos taken at the Ramage Inc concert with PM & LM and think both had parkas. There was also school CCTV.
The heavy replacement khaki green parka which ‘weighed a tonne’ was purchased by Corinne Mitchell in the summer with the sole intention to attempt to deceive
And I wouldn’t be surprised if these photos exist, resurface at some point
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The idea that at least 4 young girls who didnt know each other fabricated stories about LM for cash is preposterous and typical of the Lean & Co campaign.
It is typical of Sandra Leans, and Co’s, projections
Lots of people are seeing through her lies and deception
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The idea that at least 4 young girls who didnt know each other fabricated stories about LM for cash is preposterous
Most of the women who have been groomed by Sandra Lean will eventually come to see her for who and what she really is
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Scott Forbes is an abusive fantasist and his drug taking doesn’t help his fantastical story telling
IMO, Forbes is deeply disturbed. Whether that is due to his prison term and hatred of authority, drug abuse or stems from childhood trauma, it was apparent in his unnerving speech patterns in 2007 on the BBC Frontline doc. I met MK the year before he died not knowing who he was and he mentioned he was trying to escape from a Leith bully.
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It would seem so. And by previous logic she would appear to be a credible witness as she was called to court. As neither of the case experts witnessed her testimony we'll never know what was said, however the amount of allegations of knife use and threats by a 14 year old is alarming. Also we'll never what was reported to police and not used in court. Camping and fishing, whatever next. Maybe he used it to cut CM's prawns.
It would seem so? Then could you point out where in her reported court testimony she is even asked about it never mind confirms it? Surely Luke holding a knife to her throat would have been a far more relevant piece of evidence considering the charges against him than what was actually reported that she testified to which was simply that she’d seen him with a certain knife.
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The idea that at least 4 young girls who didnt know each other fabricated stories about LM for cash is preposterous and typical of the Lean & Co campaign.
I suspect the 4 young girls evidence was similar in parts to Zophie Bauman’s evidence in psycho killer Aiden Fucci case
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Forbes is deeply disturbed.
Scott Forbes is creepy
Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton was also extremely creepy
Why does she choose to pretend predatory killers and rapists (Martin Done) are innocent ?
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Forbes is deeply disturbed. Whether that is due to his prison term and hatred of authority, drug abuse or stems from childhood trauma, it was apparent in his unnerving speech patterns in 2007 on the BBC Frontline doc.
He still displays unnerving speech patterns - which are clear in the videos he did with Sandra Lean.
He was most definitely on something
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I met MK the year before he died not knowing who he was and he mentioned he was trying to escape from a Leith bully.
Scott Forbes is a self confessed bully
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He still displays unnerving speech patterns - which are clear in the videos he did with Sandra Lean.
He was most definitely on something
Amphetamine/cocaine psychosis & paranoia and possibly ARBD (yes I'm qualified). He doesn't deny drug use it but unfortunately chooses to channel his paranoia in victim shaming a murder victim's family at any cost.
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Amphetamine/cocaine psychosis & paranoia and possibly ARBD (yes I'm qualified). He doesn't deny drug use it but unfortunately chooses to channel his paranoia in victim shaming a murder victim's family at any cost.
If you were qualified there would be no need for you to use google.
Exhibit A.
You posted:
‘ However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
After googling.
‘ Psychopathy’ is similarly not a diagnosis, but rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
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Amphetamine/cocaine psychosis & paranoia and possibly ARBD (yes I'm qualified). He doesn't deny drug use it but unfortunately chooses to channel his paranoia in victim shaming a murder victim's family at any cost.
Agreed!
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Amphetamine/cocaine psychosis & paranoia and possibly ARBD (yes I'm qualified). He doesn't deny drug use it but unfortunately chooses to channel his paranoia in victim shaming a murder victim's family at any cost.
Suspect Sandra Lean drives much of this
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If you were qualified there would be no need for you to use google.
Exhibit A.
You posted:
‘ However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
After googling.
‘ Psychopathy’ is similarly not a diagnosis, but rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’
Clutching at straws. I was quoting a peer approved website relating to psychiatry. I have 10+ years of working within substance use & mental health services so would say I am able to distinguish certain traits. I have daily contact with various mental health professionals that all SL's years of theoretical study couldn't equate to. What is her paid job - not a pretend YouTube criminologist? Still, light the candles and lets make believe a killer isnt really a killer because she got a degree at Stirling Uni and hasnt been paid in a qualified role since.
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Clutching at straws. I was quoting a peer approved website relating to psychiatry. I have 10+ years of working within substance use & mental health services so would say I am able to distinguish certain traits. I have daily contact with various mental health professionals that all SL's years of theoretical study couldn't equate to. What is her paid job - not a pretend YouTube criminologist? Still, light the candles and lets make believe a killer isnt really a killer because she got a degree at Stirling Uni and hasnt been paid in a qualified role since.
If you were quoting another source that should have been made clear. That’s obviously not what you were doing. You were trying to plagiarise someone else’s work in order to convince the forum that you have expertise you obviously do not.
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Clutching at straws. I was quoting a peer approved website relating to psychiatry. I have 10+ years of working within substance use & mental health services so would say I am able to distinguish certain traits. I have daily contact with various mental health professionals that all SL's years of theoretical study couldn't equate to. What is her paid job - not a pretend YouTube criminologist? Still, light the candles and lets make believe a killer isnt really a killer because she got a degree at Stirling Uni and hasnt been paid in a qualified role since.
Experience is the best teacher, Kenmore. You have a point there.
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If you were quoting another source that should have been made clear. That’s obviously not what you were doing. You were trying to plagiarise someone else’s work in order to convince the forum that you have expertise you obviously do not.
I'm not saying that Kenmore falls into this bracket, but there are, unfortunately, many people working in social care/cjsw who are completely inadequate, substandard and lacking; nobody wants the job they're doing, so they have to lower the standard of the employee. And I mean considerably lower. My Aunt is a senior social practitioner in Dundee city council and despises about 50% of new recruits (especially the mature student type, who, according to her, were neds in their youth and got promoted from the position of a Carer or got in the door via nepotism). A girl I knew from High School contacted me on FB recently to say she was now a social worker in Reading (she's from Dumfries and has English husband). Very nice lass, but I would not want her writing my SER, nor assessing me, if I ever found myself on the wrong side of the law. Thick as pig shit! The world is in chaos!
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Does Sandra Lean also omit Miss Coutts evidence from IB?
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I'm not saying that Kenmore falls into this bracket, but there are, unfortunately, many people working in social care/cjsw who are completely inadequate, substandard and lacking; nobody wants the job they're doing, so they have to lower the standard of the employee. And I mean considerably lower. My Aunt is a senior social practitioner in Dundee city council and despises about 50% of new recruits (especially the mature student type, who, according to her, were neds in their youth and got promoted from the position of a Carer or got in the door via nepotism). A girl I knew from High School contacted me on FB recently to say she was now a social worker in Reading (she's from Dumfries and has English husband). Very nice lass, but I would not want her writing my SER, nor assessing me, if I ever found myself on the wrong side of the law. Thick as pig shit! The world is in chaos!
At last something we agree on.
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Sandra Lean claiming to Sonia Poulton - who also promotes the innocence fraud of psychopathic child killer, mass murderer, rapist and coercive controller Jeremy Bamber - that she’s planning a protest for the 6th May
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie
Sandra Lean 6 th may is the day of the coronation, so most eyes, will be on that, need to change the day
Sandra Lean
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie So far, we've had to change the date every weekend from April 14th to May 6th - we have to stop somewhere or it'll never happen. I did say it wasn't set in stone, so we can get some thoughts about better dates, but we also have to strike while the iron's hot!!!!
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie
Sandra Lean Just worried , it would take the focus away from us, just thought a lot of people, will be watching it, in the pubs, or throwing a party
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Scott Forbes is creepy
Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend in-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton was also extremely creepy
Why does she choose to pretend predatory killers and rapists (Martin Done) are innocent ?
Presumably, because she believes they are.
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"Another complete red herring was the finding of bottles of urine found in Luke's bedroom.
"The perfectly innocent explanation - that the trauma of events had triggered a form of Obsessive Compulsive Diaorder (OCD), compelling him to "hold on" to literally everything, never made it to the public domain.
I disagree.
If the motivation for the murder of [Name removed] was Erotophonophilia, then any possible paraphilia is relevant. Piquerism is a paraphilia as well as a form of sadism. The same could be said of Luke Mitchell's urne collection ie; another paraphilia
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s urine collection began before his murder and suspect both Corinne Mitchell and Shane Mitchell were well aware of this
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Presumably, because she believes they are.
Or possibly ‘suffers’ from hybristophilia ?
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Scott Forbes is creepy
Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton was also extremely creepy
Why does she choose to pretend predatory killers and rapists (Martin Done) are innocent ?
Rapist Martin Done https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8086104.hooded-rapist-jailed-17-years-on/
Presumably, because she believes they are.
In reality - Sandra Lean is telling bare faced lies to people about actually, factually guilty killers (Simon Hall as one example) in an attempt at ‘brainwashing’ anyone who will believe her bare faced lies - She’s attempting to ‘re-brand’ the dangerous predators for her own ends
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The latest this morning - Seriously, same old over and over again.
We can't appeal around "hidden" samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence. Shall we have that again? We can't appeal around "hidden" samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence! - Oops, forget the part where the claim is that they were never tested, seriously, samples taken from a murder victims body never tested - As, bloody if, and these are samples gathered in the first instance, the morning of July 1st.
Gullible - Seriously? 'You won't know what the samples are if they were never tested or hidden?' - We do, there is semen and sperm! Dam those clever little blighters, they do not need testing, they self identify!
Of course the samples were tested, of course they were NEVER hidden from anyone - Let us apply reality here, IF there was actually the discovery of undisclosed forensic samples it would be massive, it would open up many floodgates, it is bollocks, as per.
The naughty policeman said "Oops" we destroyed those! And again, the only thing illegal to happen here, without a doubt, by any form of admittance, is the destruction of someones property. Several times I have asked the question now and do so again -
Did the police destroy personal belongings of LM or his family without consulting with him first? For I would bet my bottom dollar there lies that fragment truth of illegal destruction of anything, a civil matter where new legal representation would gain legal aid to help with this - It really does all fit into place, for NOTHING else does. no wrong doing where it counts.
And again, there was no putting a stop to samples in a lab being destroyed, they would not have been up for destruction in the first place.
Full disclosure still to date - Here is our list, our long long list All intact for you all to see! - Those loud bells!
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The latest this morning - Seriously, same old over and over again.
We can't appeal around "hidden" samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence. Shall we have that again? We can't appeal around "hidden" samples from a murder victims body because only testing will reveal if it is new evidence! - Oops, forget the part where the claim is that they were never tested, seriously, samples taken from a murder victims body never tested - As, bloody if, and these are samples gathered in the first instance, the morning of July 1st.
Gullible - Seriously? 'You won't know what the samples are if they were never tested or hidden?' - We do, there is semen and sperm! Dam those clever little blighters, they do not need testing, they self identify!
Of course the samples were tested, of course they were NEVER hidden from anyone - Let us apply reality here, IF there was actually the discovery of undisclosed forensic samples it would be massive, it would open up many floodgates, it is bollocks, as per.
The naughty policeman said "Oops" we destroyed those! And again, the only thing illegal to happen here, without a doubt, by any form of admittance, is the destruction of someones property. Several times I have asked the question now and do so again -
Did the police destroy personal belongings of LM or his family without consulting with him first? For I would bet my bottom dollar there lies that fragment truth of illegal destruction of anything, a civil matter where new legal representation would gain legal aid to help with this - It really does all fit into place, for NOTHING else does. no wrong doing where it counts.
And again, there was no putting a stop to samples in a lab being destroyed, they would not have been up for destruction in the first place.
Full disclosure still to date - Here is our list, our long long list All intact for you all to see! - Those loud bells!
To add - The latest again via LM, to just keep letting it all out there, because there is no inroad for any legal action, the usual hype to keep focus on support. The forever claims of keeping it all under wraps for future legal proceedings, mmmmm.
What will NOT all be let out there of course, is anything to do with him directly, not his long statement on July 1st, not those actual forensic reports for all to see for themselves. Just the bog standard usual selections to suit ---------- And not the accurate reports from the SCCRC. Samples "believed to be ----" Just like those within those lists, odd that!
That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
But it is not the one taken from Woodburn, tested one would assume for that very reason, to eliminate all possibility of LM making any such claims. Just a thought ----
It is however been spoken of more and more, only this morning posted on Twitter - I had said before, whilst many people fall under the spell of the hype, here are many more who doubt the whole lot because of that jacket alone, the many people who knew it existed pre-murder. If one is denying all knowledge of that then it stands to reason no trust can be placed anywhere else -
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To add - The latest again via LM, to just keep letting it all out there, because there is no inroad for any legal action, the usual hype to keep focus on support. The forever claims of keeping it all under wraps for future legal proceedings, mmmmm.
What will NOT all be let out there of course, is anything to do with him directly, not his long statement on July 1st, not those actual forensic reports for all to see for themselves. Just the bog standard usual selections to suit ---------- And not the accurate reports from the SCCRC. Samples "believed to be ----" Just like those within those lists, odd that!
That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
But it is not the one taken from Woodburn, tested one would assume for that very reason, to eliminate all possibility of LM making any such claims. Just a thought ----
It is however been spoken of more and more, only this morning posted on Twitter - I had said before, whilst many people fall under the spell of the hype, here are many more who doubt the whole lot because of that jacket alone, the many people who knew it existed pre-murder. If one is denying all knowledge of that then it stands to reason no trust can be placed anywhere else -
Who is ‘name removed’?
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Who is ‘name removed’?
His deceased girlfriend, presumably?
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His deceased girlfriend, presumably?
You sure if wasn’t Paul?
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You sure if wasn’t Paul?
You mean his dad, Philip?
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You mean his dad, Philip?
No I meant Hammy http://ramageinc.net/
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No I meant Hammy http://ramageinc.net/
Never heard of Hammy. Was he a friend of LM's at the time?
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Oh, the fill-in drummer who was supposedly related to Jodi?
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Oh, the fill-in drummer who was supposedly related to Jodi?
‘Friends and family’ (see CoA judgement) gave evidence during the trial that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell owned a khaki green parka type jacket before his murder
Was it Philip Mitchell who confirmed his killer son had the jacket?
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Krissy Porteous
Gutted 😭 I’ve got a 20min wait at a bus stop,haven’t seen the new Sandra and Sonia interview and my phone battery on 1%…..I cannnnnny wait 😫😤🤯 but I’m glad I’m a bookworm cos I’ve got I’ve got Sandra’s book with me 🙌😁 🎉 i just thought I’d share the struggle!!
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Sandra Lean
Krissy You are an absolute glutton for punishment!!! Book AND interview in the same evening, on a Friday???
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‘Friends and family’ (see CoA judgement) gave evidence during the trial that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell owned a khaki green parka type jacket before his murder
Was it Philip Mitchell who confirmed his killer son had the jacket?
I read on a YT comments section in conjunction with one of SF's podcasts that LM's dad Philip said his son owned a parka jacket prior to the murder. The same poster also said that Philip was at the gig with Luke and he had the exact same parka jacket as his son. I would imagine PM was called as a witness to court, and probably gave evidence about LM's missing jacket. At the very least, if my memory serves, PM gave a statement to police regarding his son's jacket.
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I read on a YT comments section in conjunction with one of SF's podcasts that LM's dad Philip said his son owned a parka jacket prior to the murder. The same poster also said that Philip was at the gig with Luke and he had the exact same parka jacket as his son. I would imagine PM was called as a witness to court, and probably gave evidence about LM's missing jacket. At the very least, if my memory serves, PM gave a statement to police regarding his son's jacket.
Makes sense
The Innocence Fraud Of Sadistic Killer Luke Mitchell: Mizaru With Sonia Poulton & Sandra Lean (170)
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I read on a YT comments section in conjunction with one of SF's podcasts that LM's dad Philip said his son owned a parka jacket prior to the murder. The same poster also said that Philip was at the gig with Luke and he had the exact same parka jacket as his son. I would imagine PM was called as a witness to court, and probably gave evidence about LM's missing jacket. At the very least, if my memory serves, PM gave a statement to police regarding his son's jacket.
Philip Mitchell’s house was searched on 14th August 2003.
Were any of his jackets seized by police?
Or any photographs?
Maybe with him and his killer son Luke Mitchell at a Ramage Inc concert?
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I read on a YT comments section in conjunction with one of SF's podcasts that LM's dad Philip said his son owned a parka jacket prior to the murder. The same poster also said that Philip was at the gig with Luke and he had the exact same parka jacket as his son. I would imagine PM was called as a witness to court, and probably gave evidence about LM's missing jacket. At the very least, if my memory serves, PM gave a statement to police regarding his son's jacket.
If PM did verify in court that his son had a parka jacket before Jodi’s murder that would be incredibly powerful evidence against Luke so why wasn’t it reported in the media? Was Shane asked the same question? What was his answer and why wasn’t that also reported?
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That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
I think it would be safe to assume that the alleged footage was not available to the prosecution or they would have used it and not one frame of it has ever made it into the public domain since. The footage, of course, would have been snapped up by the tabloids, harvesting the owners a pretty penny yet that doesn’t seem to have been a sufficient temptation to the elusive film producers either. There is no reason legally why the footage is not in the public domain so what’s the hold-up?
Almost twenty years after the footage was allegedly taken and not a scintilla of proof has emerged that it actually exists. Look forward though to someone proving me wrong.
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, his parents Philip Mitchell and Corinne Mitchell or Sandra Lean ever comment publicly on Brandon Flowers song lyrics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4524661.stm
“Donald Findlay QC, who is preparing Mitchell's appeal, said that while there are no legal ramifications over the band performing the song he personally found it "highly distasteful
‘A source close to the Jones family told the Sunday Herald:
"The nightmare scenario is that someone close to Jodi would unexpectedly hear the song on the radio.
"Can you imagine hearing a song about your child who has been killed? It seems dreadful."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12491725.killers-singer-apologises-for-jodi-jones-track-frontman-flowers-sorry-for-causing-further-hurt/
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If PM did verify in court that his son had a parka jacket before Jodi’s murder that would be incredibly powerful evidence against Luke so why wasn’t it reported in the media? Was Shane asked the same question? What was his answer and why wasn’t that also reported?
We've already been through this. I'm not willing to go through it all again. Anyway, it seems to me that you're so entrenched that LM never did this that I'm not even sure it would make a difference if this footage was shown to you, or a photograph.
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We've already been through this. I'm not willing to go through it all again. Anyway, it seems to me that you're so entrenched that LM never did this that I'm not even sure it would make a difference if this footage was shown to you, or a photograph.
It appears to me that you simply want to avoid the hard questions. PM or SM verifying under oath that Luke did indeed own a parka would be a huge leap in proving Luke guilty…jeez it would even make me think again… yet not a whisper of it in the media. Why do you think that is?
Likewise the footage. I suppose I’m just picky about needing evidence from a named source rather than some anonymous bod on a forum if I’m going to help condemn a young boy to a life sentence. Not your fault that you’re not a rigorous.
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It appears to me that you simply want to avoid the hard questions. PM or SM verifying under oath that Luke did indeed own a parka would be a huge leap in proving Luke guilty…jeez it would even make me think again… yet not a whisper of it in the media. Why do you think that is?
Likewise the footage. I suppose I’m just picky about needing evidence from a named source rather than some anonymous bod on a forum if I’m going to help condemn a young boy to a life sentence. Not your fault that you’re not a rigorous.
What you don’t seem to understand is that there is no need by the media to try and convince anyone that LM is guilty. The trial, the jury and the verdict achieved that. The media don’t need to pick over the minutiae of evidence just to try and convince a few loonys on the internet. It’s already done and dusted.
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If PM did verify in court that his son had a parka jacket before Jodi’s murder that would be incredibly powerful evidence against Luke so why wasn’t it reported in the media? Was Shane asked the same question? What was his answer and why wasn’t that also reported?
With a great deal of the focus on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s mother Corinne Mitchell and brother Shane Mitchell’s evidence around their ‘alibi’ evidence
And the fact the killer didn’t live with his father Philip Mitchell at the time of his murder
Reporters may have decided to miss court proceedings on the day Philip Mitchell gave evidence - presuming Philip gave evidence
Or reporters could have missed Philip Mitchell’s evidence altogether - presuming he gave evidence
There’s often a tonne of relevant evidence missed by some of these court reporters
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How did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell get to Livingston when he went to visit his father Philip Mitchell ?
Did he catch the bus or take a trian or a taxi?
Apparently it’s an approx 23 minute car journey
And around Christmas 2002 Robert Gilhooly saw sadistic killer Luke Mitchell with Kimberly Thomson - presumably this was in Livingston
Suggesting Philip Mitchell also met Kim T
What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about Kim T?
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Suspect Miss Coutts was who killer Luke Mitchell first attacked with a knife when he was 12 years of age
Innocence Fraud: Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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And what did Phil Mitchell say about Ashley Coutts?
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With a great deal of the focus on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s mother Corinne Mitchell and brother Shane Mitchell’s evidence around their ‘alibi’ evidence
And the fact the killer didn’t live with his father Philip Mitchell at the time of his murder
Reporters may have decided to miss court proceedings on the day Philip Mitchell gave evidence - presuming Philip gave evidence
Or reporters could have missed Philip Mitchell’s evidence altogether - presuming he gave evidence
There’s often a tonne of relevant evidence missed by some of these court reporters
A dynamite piece of testimony wasn’t reported in the media? Behave.
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And how did psycho killer Luke Mitchell get to army cadets in Bonnyrigg?
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A dynamite piece of testimony wasn’t reported in the media? Behave.
There are numerous examples of ‘dynamite’ pieces of testimony that aren’t reported on in other cases
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And how did psycho killer Luke Mitchell get to army cadets in Bonnyrigg?
Apparently it takes approximate 1 hour and 5 minutes to walk from Mayfield to Bonnyrigg
35 minutes on the bus
And 9 minutes in a car
Did psycho killer Luke Mitchell have a bus pass?
How did he and Kimberly Thomson get to Livingston from Mayfield over Christmas/New Year 2002?
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How did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell get to Livingston when he went to visit his father Philip Mitchell ?
Did he catch the bus or take a trian or a taxi?
Apparently it’s an approx 23 minute car journey
And around Christmas 2002 Robert Gilhooly saw sadistic killer Luke Mitchell with Kimberly Thomson - presumably this was in Livingston
Suggesting Philip Mitchell also met Kim T
What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about Kim T?
“MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
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A dynamite piece of testimony wasn’t reported in the media? Behave.
What did the media report on the missing lock knife?
Or was this the missing brown handled Jack Pyke stunting knife?
Robert Gilhooly referred to two knives
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He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
There’s only one exhibit in the public domain of the missing brown handled knife Jack Pyke knife
What did the other missing knife look like?
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Sandra Lean
Paul Cormack "In-credible" - exactly, their entire case lacks credibility. And still, they refuse to answer questions.
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There are numerous examples of ‘dynamite’ pieces of testimony that aren’t reported on in other cases
Not in high profile cases like this.
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What did the media report on the missing lock knife?
Or was this the missing brown handled Jack Pyke stunting knife?
Robert Gilhooly referred to two knives
There’s only one exhibit in the public domain of the missing brown handled knife Jack Pyke knife
What did the other missing knife look like?
Several witnesses were asked about this important piece of the Crown’s case and that testimony was reported in the media.
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Not in high profile cases like this.
Show me a photograph of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing knife
Not the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife - the other one
“MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
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Not in high profile cases like this.
I don’t recall seeing a photograph of Kimberly Thomson either
“MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
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Show me a photograph of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing knife
Not the missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife - the other one
Were questions about the knife put to witnesses and were those questions and answers reported in the media?
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I don’t recall seeing a photograph of Kimberly Thomson either
But you know of Kimberley Thompson because of reports of her testimony in the media.
You really are making my case for me.
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Were questions about the knife put to witnesses and were those questions and answers reported in the media?
Can you name a single reporter who covered each and every day of the 42 day trial?
And one who didn’t step out for a break or to report on another story while all the other ‘dynamite’ evidence was being heard during the trial?
Other than the kiler, the Judge, the jury and the legal people - who else sat through out each and every 42 days worth of evidence?
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Were questions about the knife put to witnesses and were those questions and answers reported in the media?
Where can we read media article about Corinne Mitchell being asked about the two knives Robert Gilhooly was asked about?
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There is a few bits of information going round about photos of Luke in the parka, cctv, Luke’s dad evidence in court etc but I was wondering where this has come from as it’s not something we heard over the years til now. If this is right then would Scott and and Sandra not have copies of this or at least be aware there were photos and if Luke’s dad had given evidence against Luke in the parka? I know they don’t have everything but do they not have everything that was used in the trial that the defence had?
There is lots of stuff not in the public domain I’m sure but I have to agree that if photos of Luke were used that is something the papers would have reported on. I found this from the herald at time of trial. If there were photos, cctv or if pm had confirmed luke had a parka that would have been raised, turnbull didn’t even say family he only mentioned friends.
I can only conclude there was no photo used at trial. If one existed then you can be sure it would have been used and mentioned here by turnbull. I don’t understand why people need to make stuff up and lie if the evidence is meant to be strong enough.
“The jury also heard that Mrs Mitchell bought her son a German Parka jacket from Flip, in Edinburgh, soon after the murder.
Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.”
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But you know of Kimberley Thompson because of reports of her testimony in the media.
You really are making my case for me.
Who reported on the fibre evidence ?
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I have to agree that if photos of Luke were used that is something the papers would have reported on. I found this from the herald at time of trial.
Donald Findlay made if very difficult for reporters to report
“…. the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
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I can only conclude there was no photo used at trial. If one existed then you can be sure it would have been used and mentioned here by turnbull. I don’t understand why people need to make stuff up and lie if the evidence is meant to be strong enough.
Donald Findlay made if very difficult for reporters to report
“…. the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
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Donald Findlay made if very difficult for reporters to report
“…. the young age and the late arrest of the accused, the nature of the evidence, the aggressive approach of the defence to coverage and the absence of visual material - made this a uniquely hard case for 21st century court reporting.
Maybe but this was what the reported Turnbull said to Luke’s mum during the trial. He would definitely have mentioned any photos, cctv or the fact that one of the witnesses was Luke’s dad as he was trying to prove she was a liar but all he said was friends. I really don’t think any photos of Luke were used, that doesn’t mean to say one doesn’t exist now that’s been found over the years.
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Maybe but this was what the reported Turnbull said to Luke’s mum during the trial. He would definitely have mentioned any photos, cctv or the fact that one of the witnesses was Luke’s dad as he was trying to prove she was a liar but all he said was friends. I really don’t think any photos of Luke were used, that doesn’t mean to say one doesn’t exist now that’s been found over the years.
’First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
‘The defence made an early, unsuccessful attempt to have the BBC found in contempt for reporting on the planned reconstruction of the wall behind which the victim's body was found.
The Telegraph was also called into court to apologise for an article it published early in the trial
Defence counsel apparently even objected at one point to being sketched by BBC courtroom artist Julia Quenzler, who had flown up from London for the trial.
Broadcasters especially began to struggle to make meaningful packages. The tight Scottish approach to identification evidence means photographs of the accused are rarely shown
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
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’First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
‘The defence made an early, unsuccessful attempt to have the BBC found in contempt for reporting on the planned reconstruction of the wall behind which the victim's body was found.
The Telegraph was also called into court to apologise for an article it published early in the trial
Defence counsel apparently even objected at one point to being sketched by BBC courtroom artist Julia Quenzler, who had flown up from London for the trial.
Broadcasters especially began to struggle to make meaningful packages. The tight Scottish approach to identification evidence means photographs of the accused are rarely shown
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
And psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell, his mother Corinne Mitchell and innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean have been exploiting this ever since
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Maybe but this was what the reported Turnbull said to Luke’s mum during the trial. He would definitely have mentioned any photos, cctv or the fact that one of the witnesses was Luke’s dad as he was trying to prove she was a liar but all he said was friends. I really don’t think any photos of Luke were used, that doesn’t mean to say one doesn’t exist now that’s been found over the years.
A quote from Craig Dobbie, verbatim:
"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
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“MURDER accused Luke Mitchell was two-timing Jodi Jones with a girl who looked 'almost identical' to her, a court was told yesterday.
One of Mitchell's friends had met the other girl. Mitchell spoke very highly of her, it was claimed.
But when the pal, Robert Gilhooly, 17, was later shown a picture of the girl, he thought it was Jodi.
The jury at the High Court in Edinburgh were shown pictures of the two girls.
They also heard that Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi, was once caught with a knife which, it was claimed, was made for one purpose - killing.
Robert, 17, of Livingston, West Lothian, said Mitchell used to visit his father in the town at weekends and he became friendly with him.
He was then shown two knives which he recalled having seen in Mitchell's possession.
Suspect Kimberly Thomson also saw sadistic killer Luke Mitchell with the two knives also and gave evidence as having seen them
‘Robert said: 'Personally, I have a dislike for knives because my brother was attacked with one. I just expressed my opinion I didn't appreciate it.'
He explained that around Christmas 2002 he had met Mitchell with a girl called Kim.
In the spring of last year, Mitchell started going out with Jodi and Robert believed he was seeing both girls at the same time.
He added: 'He (Mitchell) mentioned they looked alike and he just said they were almost identical.'
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, then put up pictures of Jodi and Kim on a screen and asked: 'The very first time you looked at the photo of Kim,who did you think it was?'
Robert said: 'I though it was Jodi.' Mr Turnbull asked: 'After the killing of Jodi, did Luke say anything to you about hearing from Kim?'
Robert said: 'I think I asked Luke what Kim had said and I'm sure he said Kim had texted or phoned him and said he had a lot of explaining to do.'
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A quote from Craig Dobbie, verbatim:
"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
Sorry but going by past quotes I don’t have much faith in what Craig Dobbie has to say to a news paper but again I’m sure if he had a photo he would be shouting it from the rooftops. On the other hand I do have more faith on what the herald reported Turnbull said during the trial to Luke’s mum.
But that’s just my opinion.
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A quote from Craig Dobbie, verbatim:
"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415
The full context of Craig Dobbie’s above statement appears to be referring to around the 4th July 2003 - following door to door enquiries and information received into the investigation by the 4th July
This would have been before thorough investigations into the minutiae of the information coming into the enquiry were fully investigated and all the i’s were dotted and T’s crossed
Craig Dovie doesn’t disclose the minutiae of the investigation
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I don't think the photo would've been allowed to have been published as they were children when it was taken (I know LM at 15 years old was pictured in newspapers, but he was a suspect since 14.08.03). Also, I think the owner of the photo, or the parents of the owner of the photo, could prevent it from being published. Regardless, I was reliably informed that the photo was never returned to the owner, so that means it is still in a secure storage vault with all the other evidence. I think evidence in a case like this is not destroyed or returned until the accused completes their sentence or dies. I'm not sure they'd want the photo returned to them, anyway.
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I don't think the photo would've been allowed to have been published as they were children when it was taken (I know LM at 15 years old was pictured in newspapers, but he was a suspect since 14.08.03). Also, I think the owner of the photo, or the parents of the owner of the photo, could prevent it from being published. Regardless, I was reliably informed that the photo was never returned to the owner, so that means it is still in a secure storage vault with all the other evidence. I think evidence in a case like this is not destroyed or returned until the accused completes their sentence or dies. I'm not sure they'd want the photo returned to them, anyway.
It’s not clear if the jury got to see the footage or a still of the footage or a photograph taken separate from the footage or a combination
That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
It is however been spoken of more and more, only this morning posted on Twitter - I had said before, whilst many people fall under the spell of the hype, here are many more who doubt the whole lot because of that jacket alone, the many people who knew it existed pre-murder. If one is denying all knowledge of that then it stands to reason no trust can be placed anywhere else -
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That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
It was Friday the 13th of June btw
What did psycho killer Luke Mitchell tell the police he wore to the gig when they interviewed him over this?
And what did Philip Mitchell tell police?
Would be interesting to see a list of items seized from Philip Mitchell’s Livingston address
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Question Time For [moderated] Sandra Lean (Part 171)
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Maybe but this was what the reported Turnbull said to Luke’s mum during the trial. He would definitely have mentioned any photos, cctv or the fact that one of the witnesses was Luke’s dad as he was trying to prove she was a liar but all he said was friends. I really don’t think any photos of Luke were used, that doesn’t mean to say one doesn’t exist now that’s been found over the years.
If any family had mentioned that Luke had a parka before Jodi’s murder that would have been a slam dunk. No one from his family circle made that claim…not parents, not his brother, his father’s partner, his uncle etc etc.
As to any photo which has subsequently appeared don’t you think we would have seen it rather than merely talking about it? The tabloids, especially the Daily Record, would have paid a pretty penny for an incriminating piece of evidence like that but so far nada.
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I don't think the photo would've been allowed to have been published as they were children when it was taken (I know LM at 15 years old was pictured in newspapers, but he was a suspect since 14.08.03). Also, I think the owner of the photo, or the parents of the owner of the photo, could prevent it from being published. Regardless, I was reliably informed that the photo was never returned to the owner, so that means it is still in a secure storage vault with all the other evidence. I think evidence in a case like this is not destroyed or returned until the accused completes their sentence or dies. I'm not sure they'd want the photo returned to them, anyway.
Sorry I was not talking about the paper printing the photo but to them reporting what Turnbull said to Luke’s mum. That witnesses saw Luke in the coat not “I refer to the photo showing Luke in a parka”. If they had it they would have used it. Maybe there was a photo that police had but were so incompetent it never made it to the prosecution to be used it court. Might still be in a box somewhere but it does not appear to have been used at the trial. I think your friend is making stuff up, exaggerating or just mistaken it was used in court.
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I don't think the photo would've been allowed to have been published as they were children when it was taken (I know LM at 15 years old was pictured in newspapers, but he was a suspect since 14.08.03). Also, I think the owner of the photo, or the parents of the owner of the photo, could prevent it from being published. Regardless, I was reliably informed that the photo was never returned to the owner, so that means it is still in a secure storage vault with all the other evidence. I think evidence in a case like this is not destroyed or returned until the accused completes their sentence or dies. I'm not sure they'd want the photo returned to them, anyway.
Even back in 2003 individuals faces could be pixelated to hide their identities so I’m not sure your reason why the photo wasn’t published actually holds any water.
You’re reliably informed that the photo was never returned to the owner? By whom? The person who claimed to have the photo in the first place? Handy that. Was that straight after you asked to see it?
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If any family had mentioned that Luke had a parka before Jodi’s murder that would have been a slam dunk. No one from his family circle made that claim…not parents, not his brother, his father’s partner, his uncle etc etc.
As to any photo which has subsequently appeared don’t you think we would have seen it rather than merely talking about it? The tabloids, especially the Daily Record, would have paid a pretty penny for an incriminating piece of evidence like that but so far nada.
I don’t recall the media reporting on any witness claiming sadistic killer Luke Mitchell owned/wore the missing khaki green army parka jacket prior to his murder
The media only appeared to focus on reporting on Alan Turnball questioning Corinne Mitchell and her denying her killer son had owned one prior to his murder - and of Corinne denying she burnt anything in the back garden that night
“She also rejected witness claims that Mitchell had a parka-style jacket before 14-year-old Jodi died.
She said she had bought him one eight days later as it was 'fashionable'.
And Mrs Mitchell denied burning anything in her garden within a couple of hours of Jodi being murdered.
The above article only says ‘witnesses’ it doesn’t name the witnesses or go into any detail of what the witnesses said
Is it because the reporter didn’t know what the witnesses said because they weren’t in court when the witnesses gave evidence or maybe because the reporter ran out of space - as their article could only be 1000 words in length in order to fit in the paper they were reporting for
What were the names of all the witnesses who’s evidence was they saw killer Luke in his khaki green army jacket prior to his murder?
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Sorry I was not talking about the paper printing the photo but to them reporting what Turnbull said to Luke’s mum. That witnesses saw Luke in the coat not “I refer to the photo showing Luke in a parka”. If they had it they would have used it. Maybe there was a photo that police had but were so incompetent it never made it to the prosecution to be used it court. Might still be in a box somewhere but it does not appear to have been used at the trial. I think your friend is making stuff up, exaggerating or just mistaken it was used in court.
There was clearly evidence of psycho killer Luke Mitchell owning a khaki green army parka-style jacket before his murder
“She also rejected witness claims that Mitchell had a parka-style jacket before 14-year-old Jodi died.
She said she had bought him one eight days later as it was 'fashionable'.
And Mrs Mitchell denied burning anything in her garden within a couple of hours of Jodi being murdered.
[19] There was evidence that the appellant had owned and worn a parka-style jacket in the months prior to the murder, that he was wearing such a jacket early in the evening of the deceased's murder and that no such jacket was found when the appellant's home was searched on 4 July 2003. The Crown sought to link this with evidence that a log burner in the back garden of the appellant's home was used on 30 June at around 1830 - 1930 and later, at around 2200, and with evidence of an unusual smell emanating from it.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Maybe the reporters who reported on the trial missed hearing the evidence of all the witnesses who gave evidence of seeing killer Luke Mitchell wearing his khaki green army parka-style jacket
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Sorry I was not talking about the paper printing the photo but to them reporting what Turnbull said to Luke’s mum. That witnesses saw Luke in the coat not “I refer to the photo showing Luke in a parka”. If they had it they would have used it. Maybe there was a photo that police had but were so incompetent it never made it to the prosecution to be used it court. Might still be in a box somewhere but it does not appear to have been used at the trial. I think your friend is making stuff up, exaggerating or just mistaken it was used in court.
The media don’t appear to have reported on what Matthew Muraska’s (platoon commander) evidence was regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s khaki green army parka-style jacket
“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.
Instead they focused on reporting on Matthew Muraska’s evidence regarding the missing knife/knives
’Another witness,Matthew Muraska, 50, said he helped run an Army Cadets Force unit in Bonnyrigg. Mitchell had joined the unit in December 2001 and left in March last year.
Mr Muraska said he'd warned about carrying knives at meetings and said the weapons had no place in the cadets.
He continued: 'I can understand some parents wanting to buy their child a Swiss Army knife when they are out camping.
'But some of the knives I have come across in the past have been extremely lethal weapons.'
He then went on to describe an incident when he ticked off Mitchell for having a knife at a meeting.
He said: 'They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one of the cadets passing something to Luke.
'I said 'what was that?' and he said 'nothing'. He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.
'I opened the knife and it was about six or seven inches long - a lock-type knife with a pointed blade.
'I opened the knife and held it up so all the cadets could see.
'I said I never ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army cadets and that a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.
'At that point, one young cadet said 'killing' and I said 'yes, exactly'.'
What exactly did Matthew Muraska say about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing khaki green army parka-style jacket?
And on what dates did he see him wearing the missing parka?
“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death
The following was published post trial - again nothing about Matthew Muraska‘s parka evidence
‘At an army cadet corps he attended in Bonnyrigg, a lock knife with a six-inch blade that he was carrying was confiscated by Matthew Muraska, the company leader. Mitchell would often show the other boys weapons he had improvised from blades and sticks.
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The media don’t appear to have reported on what Matthew Muraska’s (platoon commander) evidence was regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s khaki green army parka-style jacket
“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death. Mrs Mitchell said the one she had bought was his first.
Instead they focused on reporting on Matthew Muraska’s evidence regarding the missing knife/knives
’Another witness,Matthew Muraska, 50, said he helped run an Army Cadets Force unit in Bonnyrigg. Mitchell had joined the unit in December 2001 and left in March last year.
Mr Muraska said he'd warned about carrying knives at meetings and said the weapons had no place in the cadets.
He continued: 'I can understand some parents wanting to buy their child a Swiss Army knife when they are out camping.
'But some of the knives I have come across in the past have been extremely lethal weapons.'
He then went on to describe an incident when he ticked off Mitchell for having a knife at a meeting.
He said: 'They were on parade at the end of the evening and I saw one of the cadets passing something to Luke.
'I said 'what was that?' and he said 'nothing'. He removed the knife from his pocket and handed it to me.
'I opened the knife and it was about six or seven inches long - a lock-type knife with a pointed blade.
'I opened the knife and held it up so all the cadets could see.
'I said I never ever wanted to see a knife like that in the Army cadets and that a knife such as that was made for one purpose and one purpose only.
'At that point, one young cadet said 'killing' and I said 'yes, exactly'.'
What exactly did Matthew Muraska say about killer Luke Mitchell’s missing khaki green army parka-style jacket?
And on what dates did he see him wearing the missing parka?
“Mr Turnbull said a range of witnesses, including friends, acquaintances and a platoon commander from Mr Mitchell's Army cadets remembered the accused wearing a Parka before Jodi's death
The following was published post trial - again nothing about Matthew Muraska‘s parka evidence
‘At an army cadet corps he attended in Bonnyrigg, a lock knife with a six-inch blade that he was carrying was confiscated by Matthew Muraska, the company leader. Mitchell would often show the other boys weapons he had improvised from blades and sticks.
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Okay…let’s apply some logic here. Corrine Mitchell was one of the last witnesses to be called.The alleged photograph would have, at that point, been entered into evidence and the owner questioned on the witness stand. Corrine, as we know when called to give evidence was asked about the parka and denied Luke had had one before Jodi’s death. At that point don’t you agree that any prosecutor worth his salt would then hold up the photograph of Luke wearing the parka and proclaim triumphantly “ in that case how do you explain this photograph?”. Absolute slam dunk. Corrine’s credibility shattered beyond repair and no need for all that nonsense with the tattoo parlour.
Every reporter worth their salt would have been in court for Corrine’s testimony, she was one of the main alibi witnesses after all, yet are you really claiming that either one of Scotland’s leading advocates didn’t ask her about the photograph or that every reporter who attended the court that day simply forgot to mention it?
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Every reporter worth their salt would have been in court for Corrine’s testimony, she was one of the main alibi witnesses after all, yet are you really claiming that either one of Scotland’s leading advocates didn’t ask her about the photograph or that every reporter who attended the court that day simply forgot to mention it?
But not ‘every reporter worth their salt would have been in court’ to listen to the evidence of someone like Matthew Muraska
What was it exactly Matthew Muraska said about the missing parka jacket during his evidence ?
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Okay…let’s apply some logic here. Corrine Mitchell was one of the last witnesses to be called.The alleged photograph would have, at that point, been entered into evidence and the owner questioned on the witness stand. Corrine, as we know when called to give evidence was asked about the parka and denied Luke had had one before Jodi’s death. At that point don’t you agree that any prosecutor worth his salt would then hold up the photograph of Luke wearing the parka and proclaim triumphantly “ in that case how do you explain this photograph?”. Absolute slam dunk. Corrine’s credibility shattered beyond repair and no need for all that nonsense with the tattoo parlour.
Rosalind McInnes made it clear in her Jan 2005 BBC article that there was an “….absence of visual material”
Meaning - the trial weren’t sharing photographic exhibits with reporters to publish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
The few exhibit that were published from the trial only appear to have been published after the trial had concluded
And there appears to have been only one photographic exhibit of psycho killer Luke Mitchell ever published - a copy of a Polaroid with him wearing a t-shirt
The jury had already heard the evidence from all of the witnesses regarding the missing parka and from the gig on the 13th June 2003
Why would Alan Turnbull need to repeat this for the jury?
Alan Turnbull told Corinne Mitchell other witnesses had seen her killer son wearimg said parka before his murder
The jury had already heard the other witnesses and seen any and all photographic exhibits
Corinne Mitchell had not
All Alan Turnbull needed from Corinne Mitchell was her claiming her killer son didn’t previously own a khaki green army style parka jacket
When Corinne Mitchell denied this in front of the jury - that would have been the ‘slam dunk’ to which you refer
Other witness evidence had already confirmed to the jury he did own one before his murder
When Alan Turnbull asked Corinne Mitchell;
“Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?"
Suspect the jury would have known by this point that Corinne Mitchell was not telling the truth in court
The jury, by this point, had also heard from umpteen witnesses in regards to the various knifes her killer son owned and had been seen with
’The court heard that police had questioned Mrs Mitchell about a knife on April 14, 2004, when she was arrested and charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, and the same day Mr Mitchell was arrested.
She said she found the knife later that day in a bag after her house had been searched by police. It was only then that she remembered she had bought her son a "skunting" knife from a catalogue as a Christmas present in December 2003, after Jodi's death. She said he needed it for a camping trip.
"How could the police have missed it?" asked Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting.
Mrs Mitchell said: "I don't know."
Corinne Mitchell’s “I don’t know” reply didn’t help her either
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Okay…let’s apply some logic here. Corrine Mitchell was one of the last witnesses to be called.The alleged photograph would have, at that point, been entered into evidence and the owner questioned on the witness stand. Corrine, as we know when called to give evidence was asked about the parka and denied Luke had had one before Jodi’s death. At that point don’t you agree that any prosecutor worth his salt would then hold up the photograph of Luke wearing the parka and proclaim triumphantly “ in that case how do you explain this photograph?”. Absolute slam dunk. Corrine’s credibility shattered beyond repair and no need for all that nonsense with the tattoo parlour.
Every reporter worth their salt would have been in court for Corrine’s testimony, she was one of the main alibi witnesses after all, yet are you really claiming that either one of Scotland’s leading advocates didn’t ask her about the photograph or that every reporter who attended the court that day simply forgot to mention it?
I concede that it is a tad odd that the photo wasn't shown to CM by AT, but maybe he didn't think it was necessary because of the cross section of people -- 8 witnesses, as he said to CM whilst she was on the stand -- he said had said (presumably under oath) they had seen him in that parka before the murder (family, friends, school teachers and acquaintances). Even if AT had shown her the photo, she would have likely have said she couldn't remember him having the parka. It was interesting that when AT confronted her about these witnesses, she said she was not suggesting they were lying, but that she could not remember her son ever having one (ahem!). 8 witnesses = overwhelming evidence he had worn a parka before 30.06.03; no need for the photo.
As I said, I spoke to a woman from Whitburn -- in her thirties with kids -- whose sister was a witness at the trial and whose sister had a photo of LM with Jodi and some friends at concert circa May/June '03, which the police took as evidence and never returned. The woman was not a troll, and I highly doubt she would make the story up for attention or 'to act the big woman'. The woman struck me as reasonably bright, level-headed and sincere.
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I concede that it is a tad odd that the photo wasn't shown to CM by AT, but maybe he didn't think it was necessary because of the cross section of people -- 8 witnesses, as he said to CM whilst she was on the stand -- he said had said (presumably under oath) they had seen him in that parka before the murder (family, friends, school teachers and acquaintances).
Corinne Mitchell wasn’t the one on trial
There was no need to show Corinne any of the photographic exhibits
All Alan Turnbull needed to do was convince the jury she was lying - Which he did
He didn’t need to convince Corinne Mitchell he knew she was lying - he already knew she was
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Rosalind McInnes made it clear in her Jan 2005 BBC article that there was an “….absence of visual material”
Meaning - the trial weren’t sharing photographic exhibits with reporters to publish
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
The few exhibit that were published from the trial only appear to have been published after the trial had concluded
And there appears to have been only one photographic exhibit of psycho killer Luke Mitchell ever published - a copy of a Polaroid with him wearing a t-shirt
The jury had already heard the evidence from all of the witnesses regarding the missing parka and from the gig on the 13th June 2003
Why would Alan Turnbull need to repeat this for the jury?
Alan Turnbull told Corinne Mitchell other witnesses had seen her killer son wearimg said parka before his murder
The jury had already heard the other witnesses and seen any and all photographic exhibits
Corinne Mitchell had not
All Alan Turnbull needed from Corinne Mitchell was her claiming her killer son didn’t previously own a khaki green army style parka jacket
When Corinne Mitchell denied this in front of the jury - that would have been the ‘slam dunk’ to which you refer
Other witness evidence had already confirmed to the jury he did own one before his murder
When Alan Turnbull asked Corinne Mitchell;
“Are you sure, Mrs Mitchell, that you understand the importance of telling the truth in court?"
Suspect the jury would have known by this point that Corinne Mitchell was not telling the truth in court
The jury, by this point, had also heard from umpteen witnesses in regards to the various knifes her killer son owned and had been seen with
’The court heard that police had questioned Mrs Mitchell about a knife on April 14, 2004, when she was arrested and charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, and the same day Mr Mitchell was arrested.
She said she found the knife later that day in a bag after her house had been searched by police. It was only then that she remembered she had bought her son a "skunting" knife from a catalogue as a Christmas present in December 2003, after Jodi's death. She said he needed it for a camping trip.
"How could the police have missed it?" asked Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting.
Mrs Mitchell said: "I don't know."
Corinne Mitchell’s “I don’t know” reply didn’t help her either
Good post. Makes a lot of sense and highlights what a unique case it was. Such a tragic and difficult case for all involved -- including the media.
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Even if AT had shown her the photo, she would have likely have said she couldn't remember him having the parka.
Like Corinne Mitchell said she didn’t remember buying her killer son another shunting knife a few months after his brutal murder
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Corinne Mitchell wasn’t the one on trial
There was no need to show Corinne any of the photographic exhibits
All Alan Turnbull needed to do was convince the jury she was lying - Which he did
He didn’t need to convince Corinne Mitchell he knew she was lying
I think you are correct, Nicholas. Just like he knew SM was lying about his wee brother "mashing tatties" and only said "he could have been there" so as not to fully drop LM in the shit. He knew SM would never come right out and say, categorically, that LM wasn't in the house, but nonetheless exposed their lies and concocted alibi.
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It was interesting that when AT confronted her about these witnesses, she said she was not suggesting they were lying, but that she could not remember her son ever having one (ahem!). 8 witnesses = overwhelming evidence he had worn a parka before 30.06.03; no need for the photo.
It was also another red flag
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It was also another red flag
I think the missing parka is the single most compelling piece of evidence against LM, then LM finding the body, then the false alibi. Every single piece of evidence is important (obviously), but the aforementioned 3 strands are the most convincing.
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I think you are correct, Nicholas. Just like he knew SM was lying about his wee brother "mashing tatties" and only said "he could have been there" so as not to fully drop LM in the shit. He knew SM would never come right out and say, categorically, that LM wasn't in the house, but nonetheless exposed their lies and concocted alibi.
Shane and Corinne Mitchell appear to be the last two witnesses to give evidence
The jury had already heard 30 odd days of damning evidence against psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell by the time they took the witness stand
Shane Mitchell’s evidence didn’t help his killer brother at all but there was a wealth of other evidence that showed the guilty killer and his mother Corinne were still prepared to lie in the face of damning evidence - and that they had lied about their alibi evidence
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I think the missing parka is the single most compelling piece of evidence against LM, then LM finding the body, then the false alibi. Every single piece of evidence is important (obviously), but the aforementioned 3 strands are the most convincing.
If Corinne Mitchell knew without any doubts that her killer son had not had another khaki green jacket - before she replaced it a few days after his murder - wouldn’t she have called the other witnesses outright liars?
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I think the missing parka is the single most compelling piece of evidence against LM, then LM finding the body, then the false alibi. Every single piece of evidence is important (obviously), but the aforementioned 3 strands are the most convincing.
Did Miss Coutts tell the jury killer Luke Mitchell has threatened her with a knife when she was 11?
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Good post. Makes a lot of sense and highlights what a unique case it was. Such a tragic and difficult case for all involved -- including the media.
Does anyone know how many ‘banning orders’ were made and how many photographic exhibits were placed under a ban?
‘First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
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Does anyone know how many ‘banning orders’ were made and how many photographic exhibits were placed under a ban?
‘First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
And why was only one replica knife photograph exhibit ever published?
Was a ban placed on the other exhibits ?
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Ana Azaria still doesn’t realise the witness who claimed to have seen the moped at V break in the wall was mistaken
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The Moped Boys statements
*Disclaimer - the point of this post is not to suggest that anyone is guilty, but to highlight the discrepancies in the investigation and the way that Luke was treated in comparison. Was it fair?
JF – Jodi’s ‘half cousin’, half-sister to YW who is JuJ’s brother’s daughter.
GD – related to JF through his mother’s family.
On the evening of 4th July and morning of 5th July, Police appealed for 2 youths on a moped to come forward as a witness. One came forward afternoon of the 5th, and the other on the 6th. A witness had seen the moped leaning against the V break in the wall at around 5.15pm, the time that the prosecution believed Jodi had been murdered.
The Following day, the 7th – the newspapers reported that the moped boys had been traced and eliminated, so they were cleared immediately before any results on DNA tests were returned.
One of the boys, JF had been living at AW's, (Jodi’s gran) house, for 4 to 5 weeks before the murder, according to her statement on 23 July - but prior to this, she had only mentioned him once, stating he had stayed the night prior to the murder (29th).
JuJ did not mention to police that JF had been in either her house or AW’s house, nor did JaJ, Jodi’s sister, who was also living with AW.
The day after the murder – AW, an unnamed male family member and YW, all knew that the two boys, JF & GD, had been on the path at the time of the murder – none of them told the police.
In one of his statements JF had said, “YW is talking rubbish about me saying I was going to the police on July 1st, I never said that”.
Another statement describes JF in the days after the murder as being ‘tense’ and ‘snappy’ when the news came on mentioning Jodi…even though he managed to miss appeals for people in the area at the time to come forward to the police.
JF cut off his own hair before speaking to police. In early statements, he said he had cut his hair because he did not want to be 'wrongly accused of the murder'.
At the trial, DF showed the court (a selection of) newspaper reports which talked about a potential suspect with curly hair.
DF asked JF: 'Why were you so keen to get rid of your curly hair that you cut it yourself, making such a mess of it you had to get it sorted professionally?'
JF replied: 'I don't know.
Again, family did not mention his behaviour even though they knew he had been on the path & cut off his hair, even though police had asked for reports of people acting strangely.
5 days were lost before police spoke to him.
GD said, “My Mum phoned me on Saturday (July 5th) and said the police were looking for me and JF, as we had been up the Roman Dyke.”
His mother is yet another person who knew before the police appeal for the boys on the moped that JF & GD had been on the path.
Between 5&7 members of Jodi’s family & extended family knew the ‘moped boys’ had been there, at the correct times, and no one mentioned it to the police.
JF claimed not to have heard appeals for the first 5 days - but he told investigators that the reason he didn’t come forward sooner was because AW told him not to as he & GD were on the path too early.
The boys went on to tell police that they were on the path an hour earlier than they really were, saying that they were on the path at around 4pm that day. Statements from JF blamed the clock in GDs house showing the wrong time, however GD knew the appointment time and how long he had been at the Jobcentre that day. Police discovered that the boys were on the path around 5pm because they had been seen and heard by no less than 6 witnesses from a local business at closing time.
At trial, neither boy was able to explain where they were when the bike was spotted against the wall, their response to the question being, “I don’t know” and “I can’t remember”.
In initial statements, the boys said that the moped’s engine had stopped working, and that they'd had to push it up the path. In another statement, GD said that they would not have been able to hear anything ‘over the noise of the bike’. He followed with “If I could have done something to stop her death...”.
Cyclist heard motorbike behind wall
Another prosecution witness who stood at trial, was cyclist LK. He had described initially, hearing a rustling sound as he cycled past the area. By the trial, he was describing a strangling, human sound behind the wall. He also said: “It sounded like a gargling, restriction of someone’s throat." He estimated that the time he was in the area was between 5.05pm and 5.20pm. LK said he was alarmed when he heard the noise but had not stopped because of nerves. The prosecution attempted to use his description to further back up the claimed 5.15pm time of the murder. But – LK also stated: "I said to police in my statement that I heard a motorcycle in the woods on the other side of the wall. It seemed quite far away from the wall.”
What didn’t appear to have been questioned was, if LK had heard the moped while it was still clearly running and while he heard sounds that the prosecution believed could have been the murder taking place – and the other witness had seen the moped leaning against the V break in the wall, after it had ‘cut out’ (5.15pm)...where does that place the moped/moped boys in relation to the time of the murder? They said that they did not see Jodi, but they were in the area at and just after the sounds heard by LK, which were used by the prosecution to back up the time of death.
The appeal documents stated that LK did not see the moped boys, nor he them – suggesting that the moped boys were not in the area at the time of the murder, dismissing their relevance. However, they did not mention that LK heard a motorbike or acknowledge that this was before the bike was leaning against the wall!
The moped boys had discussed “everything” for the 5 days before going to the police and had lied about the time they were there.
JF & GDs statements largely mentioned Luke – knives, cannabis, weirdness. Their statements didn’t mention themselves until several pages in as they were so focused on Luke.
A pair of “muddy” & “damp” gloves were found in YW’s behind a radiator and reported to the police, both JF & GD said they belonged to them. Initially JF said that he had borrowed the gloves from his brother and that he had stored them in a drawer along with some condoms a knife and his wallet, according to JF the gloves were dry when he put them in the drawer and could not explain how they got damp or why they ended up behind the radiator.
In a statement dated November 26th GD said “The only other thing I remember about gloves is that sometime after the murder, JF said something about his sister YW finding a pair of wet gloves and giving them to the police. He said, 'I don’t know if they’re mine or yours but it’s a bit dodgy'. I don’t know what he meant by that but I wasn’t really bothered."
There was further confusion around what JF was wearing that night. In a statement given on 30th July JF said he had been wearing a blue sweatshirt – in a previous statement he had said he wore a yellow top. The description of the boys given by the staff members at the local company didn't included a yellow top.
Despite being unable to explain their movements that day at the scene of the crime and the subsequent strange behaviour which was not followed up as a reasonable line of enquiry by the police, JF and GD were still called on to give evidence AGAINST Luke.
The moped was destroyed in the days after the murder and could not be forensically tested.
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The name that the public kept referring to - by the 3rd July 2003 - when contacting the police was killer Luke Mitchell’s
Intimate Partner Femicide Timeline
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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I concede that it is a tad odd that the photo wasn't shown to CM by AT, but maybe he didn't think it was necessary because of the cross section of people -- 8 witnesses, as he said to CM whilst she was on the stand -- he said had said (presumably under oath) they had seen him in that parka before the murder (family, friends, school teachers and acquaintances). Even if AT had shown her the photo, she would have likely have said she couldn't remember him having the parka. It was interesting that when AT confronted her about these witnesses, she said she was not suggesting they were lying, but that she could not remember her son ever having one (ahem!). 8 witnesses = overwhelming evidence he had worn a parka before 30.06.03; no need for the photo.
As I said, I spoke to a woman from Whitburn -- in her thirties with kids -- whose sister was a witness at the trial and whose sister had a photo of LM with Jodi and some friends at concert circa May/June '03, which the police took as evidence and never returned. The woman was not a troll, and I highly doubt she would make the story up for attention or 'to act the big woman'. The woman struck me as reasonably bright, level-headed and sincere.
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What can I say?
No matter how bright, level-headed and sincere the woman you spoke to seemed she was lying to you. I know you might feel too embarrassed to admit it but that doesn’t change the fact.
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I think the missing parka is the single most compelling piece of evidence against LM, then LM finding the body, then the false alibi. Every single piece of evidence is important (obviously), but the aforementioned 3 strands are the most convincing.
I agree. The missing parka would have been one of the most compelling pieces of evidence against Luke which makes it unimaginable that Corrine wouldn’t be asked about it by Turnbull. Witnesses can be disbelieved, 15 alibi witnesses were disbelieved in the Cardiff 3 case….a photograph is far more compelling evidence than eye witness testimony. If Turnbull had had a photograph of Luke wearing a parka then the Crown wouldn’t have to have introduced the tattoo parlour witnesses to damage Corrine’s credibility.
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Did Miss Coutts tell the jury killer Luke Mitchell has threatened her with a knife when she was 11?
It doesn’t appear so because, under oath, she couldn’t lie.
It’s strange that you seem to believe that the most incriminating pieces of testimony and evidence…the photo, the alleged knife attacks on small girls etc all seem to have been missing from what was very intensive reporting. Odd that.
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Does anyone know how many ‘banning orders’ were made and how many photographic exhibits were placed under a ban?
‘First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
From your link:
“ The trial judge, although in no way obstructive to the media's need to do their job, felt unable to give a pre-trial briefing, beyond saying that the media could report what went on in court.”
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Ana Azaria still doesn’t realise the witness who claimed to have seen the moped at V break in the wall was mistaken
Ana Azaria
The Moped Boys statements
*Disclaimer - the point of this post is not to suggest that anyone is guilty, but to highlight the discrepancies in the investigation and the way that Luke was treated in comparison. Was it fair?
JF – Jodi’s ‘half cousin’, half-sister to YW who is JuJ’s brother’s daughter.
GD – related to JF through his mother’s family.
On the evening of 4th July and morning of 5th July, Police appealed for 2 youths on a moped to come forward as a witness. One came forward afternoon of the 5th, and the other on the 6th. A witness had seen the moped leaning against the V break in the wall at around 5.15pm, the time that the prosecution believed Jodi had been murdered.
The Following day, the 7th – the newspapers reported that the moped boys had been traced and eliminated, so they were cleared immediately before any results on DNA tests were returned.
One of the boys, JF had been living at AW's, (Jodi’s gran) house, for 4 to 5 weeks before the murder, according to her statement on 23 July - but prior to this, she had only mentioned him once, stating he had stayed the night prior to the murder (29th).
JuJ did not mention to police that JF had been in either her house or AW’s house, nor did JaJ, Jodi’s sister, who was also living with AW.
The day after the murder – AW, an unnamed male family member and YW, all knew that the two boys, JF & GD, had been on the path at the time of the murder – none of them told the police.
In one of his statements JF had said, “YW is talking rubbish about me saying I was going to the police on July 1st, I never said that”.
Another statement describes JF in the days after the murder as being ‘tense’ and ‘snappy’ when the news came on mentioning Jodi…even though he managed to miss appeals for people in the area at the time to come forward to the police.
JF cut off his own hair before speaking to police. In early statements, he said he had cut his hair because he did not want to be 'wrongly accused of the murder'.
At the trial, DF showed the court (a selection of) newspaper reports which talked about a potential suspect with curly hair.
DF asked JF: 'Why were you so keen to get rid of your curly hair that you cut it yourself, making such a mess of it you had to get it sorted professionally?'
JF replied: 'I don't know.
Again, family did not mention his behaviour even though they knew he had been on the path & cut off his hair, even though police had asked for reports of people acting strangely.
5 days were lost before police spoke to him.
GD said, “My Mum phoned me on Saturday (July 5th) and said the police were looking for me and JF, as we had been up the Roman Dyke.”
His mother is yet another person who knew before the police appeal for the boys on the moped that JF & GD had been on the path.
Between 5&7 members of Jodi’s family & extended family knew the ‘moped boys’ had been there, at the correct times, and no one mentioned it to the police.
JF claimed not to have heard appeals for the first 5 days - but he told investigators that the reason he didn’t come forward sooner was because AW told him not to as he & GD were on the path too early.
The boys went on to tell police that they were on the path an hour earlier than they really were, saying that they were on the path at around 4pm that day. Statements from JF blamed the clock in GDs house showing the wrong time, however GD knew the appointment time and how long he had been at the Jobcentre that day. Police discovered that the boys were on the path around 5pm because they had been seen and heard by no less than 6 witnesses from a local business at closing time.
At trial, neither boy was able to explain where they were when the bike was spotted against the wall, their response to the question being, “I don’t know” and “I can’t remember”.
In initial statements, the boys said that the moped’s engine had stopped working, and that they'd had to push it up the path. In another statement, GD said that they would not have been able to hear anything ‘over the noise of the bike’. He followed with “If I could have done something to stop her death...”.
Cyclist heard motorbike behind wall
Another prosecution witness who stood at trial, was cyclist LK. He had described initially, hearing a rustling sound as he cycled past the area. By the trial, he was describing a strangling, human sound behind the wall. He also said: “It sounded like a gargling, restriction of someone’s throat." He estimated that the time he was in the area was between 5.05pm and 5.20pm. LK said he was alarmed when he heard the noise but had not stopped because of nerves. The prosecution attempted to use his description to further back up the claimed 5.15pm time of the murder. But – LK also stated: "I said to police in my statement that I heard a motorcycle in the woods on the other side of the wall. It seemed quite far away from the wall.”
What didn’t appear to have been questioned was, if LK had heard the moped while it was still clearly running and while he heard sounds that the prosecution believed could have been the murder taking place – and the other witness had seen the moped leaning against the V break in the wall, after it had ‘cut out’ (5.15pm)...where does that place the moped/moped boys in relation to the time of the murder? They said that they did not see Jodi, but they were in the area at and just after the sounds heard by LK, which were used by the prosecution to back up the time of death.
The appeal documents stated that LK did not see the moped boys, nor he them – suggesting that the moped boys were not in the area at the time of the murder, dismissing their relevance. However, they did not mention that LK heard a motorbike or acknowledge that this was before the bike was leaning against the wall!
The moped boys had discussed “everything” for the 5 days before going to the police and had lied about the time they were there.
JF & GDs statements largely mentioned Luke – knives, cannabis, weirdness. Their statements didn’t mention themselves until several pages in as they were so focused on Luke.
A pair of “muddy” & “damp” gloves were found in YW’s behind a radiator and reported to the police, both JF & GD said they belonged to them. Initially JF said that he had borrowed the gloves from his brother and that he had stored them in a drawer along with some condoms a knife and his wallet, according to JF the gloves were dry when he put them in the drawer and could not explain how they got damp or why they ended up behind the radiator.
In a statement dated November 26th GD said “The only other thing I remember about gloves is that sometime after the murder, JF said something about his sister YW finding a pair of wet gloves and giving them to the police. He said, 'I don’t know if they’re mine or yours but it’s a bit dodgy'. I don’t know what he meant by that but I wasn’t really bothered."
There was further confusion around what JF was wearing that night. In a statement given on 30th July JF said he had been wearing a blue sweatshirt – in a previous statement he had said he wore a yellow top. The description of the boys given by the staff members at the local company didn't included a yellow top.
Despite being unable to explain their movements that day at the scene of the crime and the subsequent strange behaviour which was not followed up as a reasonable line of enquiry by the police, JF and GD were still called on to give evidence AGAINST Luke.
The moped was destroyed in the days after the murder and could not be forensically tested.
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The name that the public kept referring to - by the 3rd July 2003 - when contacting the police was killer Luke Mitchell’s
Intimate Partner Femicide Timeline
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
Then why did John [Name removed] admit that the bike was there in court?
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the tattoo parlour witnesses to damage Corrine’s credibility.
The ‘tattoo parlour’ evidence was damning too
Just over 3 months after carrying out his murder - 15 year old sadistic killer Luke Mitchell gets an underage tattoo of a devil with flames coming out of it
Corinne Mitchell claimed this was to “celebrate the end of a difficult time”
This was just over a month after these two disrespected the Jones family and didn’t regard their wishes about staying away from the days events
Then they disrespected them further by doing a TV interview which showed the pair of them on TV later that evening
Killer Luke Mitchell wanted the attention to be on him
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The ‘tattoo parlour’ evidence was damning too
Just over 3 months after carrying out his murder - 15 year old sadistic killer Luke Mitchell gets an underage tattoo of a devil with flames coming out of it
Corinne Mitchell claimed this was to “celebrate the end of a difficult time”
This was just over a month after these two disrespected the Jones family and didn’t regard their wishes about staying away from the days events
Then they disrespected them further by doing a TV interview which showed the pair on them on TV later that evening
Killer Luke Mitchell wanted the attention to be on him
I’m not allowing you to distract by getting into the weeds alongside you.
The tattoo evidence wouldn’t have been needed if Turnbull had been able to destroy Corrine’s credibility with the alleged photograph of Luke wearing a parka. It was entered as there was no photograph.
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Then why did John [Name removed] admit that the bike was there in court?
Donald Findlay had been gaslighting John F erris for a considerable period of time. It’s not surprising John made a mistake
It seems there was also an actual knife in the court being used as an exhibit - as well as photographs of knives
’ Advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, asked [Name removed] whether he had ever seen Mitchell with a knife.
[Name removed] said he had seen him with 'different knives' on 'many occasions'.
He was shown a knife and pictures of knives, including two silver ones and a lock knife with a brown handle.
[Name removed] identified the ones in photographs as being similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DID+YOU+MURDER+JODI%3F+QC%27s+challenge+to+her+cousin+at+High+Court.-a0125208334
What did John F erris say about the actual knife, as opposed to the photographs of knives?
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I’m not allowing you to distract by getting into the weeds alongside you.
The tattoo evidence wouldn’t have been needed if Turnbull had been able to destroy Corrine’s credibility with the alleged photograph of Luke wearing a parka. It was entered as there was no photograph.
Corinne Mitchell had already destroyed her own credibility by denying her killer son Luke Mitchell owned a jacket like the replacement jacket she bought him - 8 days after he had committed his murder.
He didn’t need a new jacket - as can be seen by the photographs of his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell owned numerous jackets and the police were only interesting in seizing his dark/green coloured jackets
Numerous credible witnesses, who had all given evidence before Corinne Mitchell, saw her killer son wearing a khaki green coloured army style jacket before he committed his murder and before she had bought him a replacement
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From your link:
“ The trial judge, although in no way obstructive to the media's need to do their job, felt unable to give a pre-trial briefing, beyond saying that the media could report what went on in court.”
The ‘media could report what went on in court’ was said in a pre-trial briefing
Things changed regarding reporting after this
For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps - which the people in this public court were seeing; hence the poignant over-use of the home video of Jodi Jones.
The challenge to make television coverage relevant and comprehensible, especially when the evidence was complicated and circumstantial, was at least partly mitigated by the courtroom
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
Where are the photographs of maps?
What maps were shown during the trial?
I don’t recall any reporters referring to any maps!?
What witnesses were asked questions regarding maps?
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Corinne Mitchell had already destroyed her own credibility by denying her killer son Luke Mitchell owned a jacket like the replacement jacket she bought him - 8 days after he had committed his murder.
He didn’t need a new jacket - as can be seen by the photographs of his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell owned numerous jackets and the police were only interesting in seizing his dark/green coloured jackets
Numerous credible witnesses, who had all given evidence before Corinne Mitchell, saw her killer son wearing a khaki green coloured army style jacket before he committed his murder and before she had bought him a replacement
I think CM said during a podcast that her son LM wasn't keen on jackets and that "you couldn't get him to wear one". More lies.
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Donald Findlay had been gaslighting John F erris for a considerable period of time. It’s not surprising John made a mistake
It seems there was also an actual knife in the court being used as an exhibit - as well as photographs of knives
’ Advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, asked [Name removed] whether he had ever seen Mitchell with a knife.
[Name removed] said he had seen him with 'different knives' on 'many occasions'.
He was shown a knife and pictures of knives, including two silver ones and a lock knife with a brown handle.
[Name removed] identified the ones in photographs as being similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DID+YOU+MURDER+JODI%3F+QC%27s+challenge+to+her+cousin+at+High+Court.-a0125208334
What did John F erris say about the actual knife, as opposed to the photographs of knives?
John [Name removed] admitted, under oath, that he left the bike at the wall.
Can you be gaslit into telling the truth?
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John [Name removed] admitted, under oath, that he left the bike at the wall.
Can you be gaslit into telling the truth?
At the wall - not a the V in the wall - it was a long wall
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I think CM said during a podcast that her son LM wasn't keen on jackets and that "you couldn't get him to wear one". More lies.
More gaslighting
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Did Miss Coutts tell the jury killer Luke Mitchell has threatened her with a knife when she was 11?
It doesn’t appear so because, under oath, she couldn’t lie.
It’s strange that you seem to believe that the most incriminating pieces of testimony and evidence…the photo, the alleged knife attacks on small girls etc all seem to have been missing from what was very intensive reporting. Odd that.
Or was this not reported on due to her age and because reporters were ‘protecting vulnerable participants’
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
‘How does a journalist do the job of letting the public know what is going on, in a case evoking widespread outrage and fear, whilst protecting vulnerable participants and the presumption of innocence?
The law tries to hold the values of open justice, human sensitivity and legitimate public interest in a workable tension
It appears reporters protected ‘vulnerable participants’ like Miss Coutts
There’s no evidence anywhere to suggest she lied
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Corinne Mitchell had already destroyed her own credibility by denying her killer son Luke Mitchell owned a jacket like the replacement jacket she bought him - 8 days after he had committed his murder.
He didn’t need a new jacket - as can be seen by the photographs of his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell owned numerous jackets and the police were only interesting in seizing his dark/green coloured jackets
Numerous credible witnesses, who had all given evidence before Corinne Mitchell, saw her killer son wearing a khaki green coloured army style jacket before he committed his murder and before she had bought him a replacement
I have attended many high profile court cases and if a photograph of the parka, and even better Luke wearing the parka, was available every witness who was called to testify that they had seen him wear it would have been asked to verify that the parka was the one in the photograph. That you can believe that AB and F/W wouldn’t have been shown ithe photo to verify that it was the jacket that they saw the youth wearing is just ridiculous, especially as AB said that it wasn’t a parka at all.
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At the wall - not a the V in the wall - it was a long wall
“ The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences".
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The ‘media could report what went on in court’ was said in a pre-trial briefing
Things changed regarding reporting after this
For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps - which the people in this public court were seeing; hence the poignant over-use of the home video of Jodi Jones.
The challenge to make television coverage relevant and comprehensible, especially when the evidence was complicated and circumstantial, was at least partly mitigated by the courtroom
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
Where are the photographs of maps?
What maps were shown during the trial?
I don’t recall any reporters referring to any maps!?
What witnesses were asked questions regarding maps?
From your own link it verifies that maps were discussed by reporters.
“ For television reports, this resulted in a continual struggle to describe adequately to the audience images - of photographs, of weapons, of maps”.
A photograph of Luke wearing a parka wasn’t.
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I’m not allowing you to distract by getting into the weeds alongside you.
The tattoo evidence wouldn’t have been needed if Turnbull had been able to destroy Corrine’s credibility with the alleged photograph of Luke wearing a parka. It was entered as there was no photograph.
The parka evidence, photo and all, had already sailed and no doubt did a lot of damage to Luke's case, whereas the tattoo parlour evidence was a last-minute thing that was tactical to further undermine CM's honesty and credibility.
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Or was this not reported on due to her age and because reporters were ‘protecting vulnerable participants’
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
‘How does a journalist do the job of letting the public know what is going on, in a case evoking widespread outrage and fear, whilst protecting vulnerable participants and the presumption of innocence?
The law tries to hold the values of open justice, human sensitivity and legitimate public interest in a workable tension
It appears reporters protected ‘vulnerable participants’ like Miss Coutts
There’s no evidence anywhere to suggest she lied
In what way did the protect her?
“ Ashley Coutts, 15, tells the court that she had seen Mitchell with a knife at his father's house in Livingston.
She explains that the sister of her mother's boyfriend lived with Mitchell's father and that she would sometimes visit them. Ashley is also shown a brown knife and she confirms that it is similar to the one Mitchell had. ”
She would not have been named at all if her identity was being protected.
No mention of an attack though.
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The parka evidence, photo and all, had already sailed and no doubt did a lot of damage to Luke's case, whereas the tattoo parlour evidence was a last-minute thing that was tactical to further undermine CM's honesty and credibility.
There was no photo. You have been played.
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There was no photo. You have been played.
Conjecture on your part, my dear. You weren't at the trial. More importantly, you don't have proof that the aforementioned photo was not shown in court. Theorise away . . .
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Conjecture on your part, my dear. You weren't at the trial. More importantly, you don't have proof that the aforementioned photo was not shown in court. Theorise away . . .
Proof is in the absence of it ever being mentioned.
Interesting that you’ve never shared the comments you claim were posted.
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The parka evidence, photo and all, had already sailed and no doubt did a lot of damage to Luke's case
This sounds plausible - like witnesses discussing photographs of maps
What witnesses discussed photographs of maps? I don’t recall any media article naming any of the witnesses discussing maps
I also don’t recall any reporters reporting on the replica wall - which was no doubt used to demonstrate where the various witnesses were
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There was no photo. You have been played.
Where are the photographs of the maps?
The other knives - two silver ones - and possibly other knives(?)
The photo of Kimberly Thomson
I also don’t recall any media articles discussing torches
When was Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell asked about the torch?
Or prawns ?
I’ve never seen a single article mention Corinne’s alleged prawns
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“ The witness agreed that the moped had been stopped at a break in a wall, behind which Jodi’s body was discovered, and that he seemed to be "piling up a rather substantial list of coincidences".
There were several breaks in the wall. Anyway, it was at the wall and near the break, not actually at the break itself. LK said he could hear a motorbike in the distance when he cycled past and heard (most probably) that poor girl being murdered. So, no, they weren't at the wall or at a break when that young girl was being attacked; they were in the vicinity. They went past the RDP heading east to go home after the murder, so passed the v in the wall and propped the bike at the wall to take a rest as the bike kept cutting out, which was purely coincidental. Crucially, there was no evidence they were at the locus.
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This sounds plausible - like witnesses discussing photographs of maps
What witnesses discussed photographs of maps? I don’t recall any media article naming any of the witnesses discussing maps
I also don’t recall any reporters reporting on the replica wall - which was no doubt used to demonstrate where the various witnesses were
“ They will walk along Roan's Dyke path. The next day the jury will hear evidence in a courtroom where a replica of a wall near the path has been erected. ”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
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“ They will walk along Roan's Dyke path. The next day the jury will hear evidence in a courtroom where a replica of a wall near the path has been erected. ”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
Wasn’t the wall built so that witnesses could show the jury where they were when killer Luke Mitchell shouted out and pretended to them that he’d ‘found something’
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Where are these articles?
I’ve read nothing on the replica wall and of Donald Findlay or Alan Turnbull, for example, demonstrating to the jury where the various witnesses were standing etc
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Wasn’t the wall built so that witnesses could show the jury where they were when killer Luke Mitchell shouted out and pretended to them that he’d ‘found something’
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Where are these articles?
And here
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bleak-trip-to-footpath-where-jodi-was-found-h3hvnx225d7
“ The trial continues today in a specially constructed courtroom in Edinburgh’s Parliament House where a replica of the 6ft wall at Roan’s Dyke has been built.”
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Proof is in the absence of it ever being mentioned.
Interesting that you’ve never shared the comments you claim were posted.
There were restrictions on what could be publicly reported in this case due to the young age of some of the witnesses. Also, and as has been pointed out several times now, not every single detail of this case was reported on, for various reasons (also pointed out several times previously).
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And here
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bleak-trip-to-footpath-where-jodi-was-found-h3hvnx225d7
“ The trial continues today in a specially constructed courtroom in Edinburgh’s Parliament House where a replica of the 6ft wall at Roan’s Dyke has been built.”
Yep
But nothing of Donald Findlay or Alan Turnbull, for example, demonstrating to the jury where the various witnesses were standing etc
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There were restrictions on what could be publicly reported in this case due to the young age of some of the witnesses. Also, and as has been pointed out several times now, not every single detail of this case was reported on, for various reasons (also pointed out several times previously).
To report verbatim on each day of the trial, reporters would have required an entire newspaper
I’ve only ever read brief quotes from witnesses here and there
Very little was reported on from the trial
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Yep
But nothing of Donald Findlay or Alan Turnbull, for example, demonstrating to the jury where the various witnesses were standing etc
But we know of the replica wall because it was an important event in the trial and was mentioned in the media.
Now show me one, just one, mention in the media of a photograph of Luke with a parka jacket on?
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Where are the photographs of the maps?
The other knives - two silver ones - and possibly other knives(?)
The photo of Kimberly Thomson
I also don’t recall any media articles discussing torches
When was Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell asked about the torch?
Or prawns ?
I’ve never seen a single article mention Corinne’s alleged prawns
Or these photographs
‘The jury of eight men and seven women are shown photographs taken on and around the Roan's Dyke pathway in Dalkeith, where Jodi's body was discovered.
This 👇was published - but not these 👆🏽
‘Among the pictures is one of a tree with the initials 'LM' carved above the initials '[Name removed]'.
And there’s a reference to ‘a map’ but it doesn’t say what Mr Hamilton said about this
‘Mr Hamilton, 36, is asked to help the jury understand the geography of Dalkeith by pointing to locations on a large map.
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There were restrictions on what could be publicly reported in this case due to the young age of some of the witnesses. Also, and as has been pointed out several times now, not every single detail of this case was reported on, for various reasons (also pointed out several times previously).
There were restrictions? If indeed that is true, and I don’t believe there was, only the children’s names would have been withheld not the testimony they gave.
I’m sure you took screenshots of your conversation with the individual who gave you the information about the photograph. Care to share?
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Or these photographs
‘The jury of eight men and seven women are shown photographs taken on and around the Roan's Dyke pathway in Dalkeith, where Jodi's body was discovered.
This 👇was published - but not these 👆🏽
‘Among the pictures is one of a tree with the initials 'LM' carved above the initials '[Name removed]'.
And there’s a reference to ‘a map’ but it doesn’t say what Mr Hamilton said about this
‘Mr Hamilton, 36, is asked to help the jury understand the geography of Dalkeith by pointing to locations on a large map.
The exhibits had to be described ( as above) you posted the link verifying this yourself. So why no description of the photo of Luke in the parka?
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There were restrictions? If indeed that is true, and I don’t believe there was, only the children’s names would have been withheld not the testimony they gave.
[moderated] Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
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The exhibits had to be described ( as above) you posted the link verifying this yourself. So why no description of the photo of Luke in the parka?
Why no description of Matthew Muraska referring to the time he saw killer Luke Mitchell in his missing parka at Army cadets?
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Why no description of Matthew Muraska referring to the time he saw killer Luke Mitchell in his missing parka at Army cadets?
Turnbull mentioned it, no description needed. That’s how we know what Muraska claimed. Where did he mention the parka photograph?
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From your link:
“ But an article from the Herald again contradicts what Sandra Lean stated. Keith Campbell was a 14 year old witness at the time of the trial – as can be read here.”
So there were no reporting restrictions or Keith Campbell wouldn’t have been identified due to his age.
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Ana Azaria still doesn’t realise the witness who claimed to have seen the moped at V break in the wall was mistaken
Ana Azaria
The Moped Boys statements
*Disclaimer - the point of this post is not to suggest that anyone is guilty, but to highlight the discrepancies in the investigation and the way that Luke was treated in comparison. Was it fair?
The moped was destroyed in the days after the murder and could not be forensically tested.
The name that the public kept referring to - by the 3rd July 2003 - when contacting the police was killer Luke Mitchell’s
Who confirmed the moped was destroyed days later? Before SF deleted all his You Tube comments there was an interesting comment from a local scrap expert saying that the bike would have remained in the local scrapyard for weeks or months before it was moved on to the main Lothian metal dealer. Even if it was squashed that day it would still have been on the premises to be tested if required.
SF's other theory is this erratic moped that had to be pushed most of the time was used to ferry the blood soaked killer away from the V break / crime scene and also maintains the killing took place elsewhere.
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Roddy Dunlop KC Does Not Appear To Back The Ludicrous Claims, By Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes, Of Anything Being ‘Hidden’ In That Great Big Melting Pot Of Confusion (Part 173)
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From your link:
“ But an article from the Herald again contradicts what Sandra Lean stated. Keith Campbell was a 14 year old witness at the time of the trial – as can be read here.”
So there were no reporting restrictions or Keith Campbell wouldn’t have been identified due to his age.
Sandra Lean stated (in the link you referred to - below);
“…all the ‘children’ at the time of Jodi’s murder were over 16 by the time of the trial”
It was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s murder!
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Keith Campbell was 14yrs old at the time of the trial - according to media reports
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SF's other theory is this erratic moped that had to be pushed most of the time was used to ferry the blood soaked killer away from the V break / crime scene and also maintains the killing took place elsewhere.
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Do fraudsters Scott Forbes and Sandra Lean refer to internal blood loss?
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Who confirmed the moped was destroyed days later? Before SF deleted all his You Tube comments there was an interesting comment from a local scrap expert saying that the bike would have remained in the local scrapyard for weeks or months before it was moved on to the main Lothian metal dealer. Even if it was squashed that day it would still have been on the premises to be tested if required.
The moped being ‘destroyed days later’ appears to be yet another speculative rumour doing the rounds.
And as usual - there has been no evidence to show this ever happened or that it was even a thought around the time
What the evidence does show is that the police were investigating bikes
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Sandra Lean stated (in the link you referred to - below);
“…all the ‘children’ at the time of Jodi’s murder were over 16 by the time of the trial”
It was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s murder!
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Keith Campbell was 14yrs old at the time of the trial - according to media reports
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She made a mistake. And….while trying to undermine Dr Lean you actually destroyed your own contention…that the testimony of children under 16 wasn’t reported in the media due to reporting restrictions.
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Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
Did killer Luke Mitchell telephone the speaking clock twice that evening?
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Who confirmed the moped was destroyed days later? Before SF deleted all his You Tube comments there was an interesting comment from a local scrap expert saying that the bike would have remained in the local scrapyard for weeks or months before it was moved on to the main Lothian metal dealer. Even if it was squashed that day it would still have been on the premises to be tested if required.
SF's other theory is this erratic moped that had to be pushed most of the time was used to ferry the blood soaked killer away from the V break / crime scene and also maintains the killing took place elsewhere.
Excellent point - My own research concluded that the local yards did not have crushers, very much taken elsewhere for that purpose.
But and again, why should that bike have been sought for testing at all? - There was no forensic evidence of multiple bodies present, bloody footprints going off in all directions, nor a snifter of those boys directly linked to anything to do with samples from the victim. - That world of fantasy of making any escape, those limited brain cells. That blue sweater without a doubt on top of the yellow football top did someone say? That cold summers day.
And again, excellent point around that clapped up bike! The trouble the boys had to get it going, doing so and having a couple of rides up and down the paths then home (witnessed).
The absolute lack of braincells here, honestly - NO viewpoint from over that V break, NO time, NO reason to be making their way down the inside of that wall some distance to have any viewpoint - And of course LM, those boys voices, any noise from the bike, fully alert to the fact of their presence in the vicinity.
This being seen at 5:15pm is on parallel with saying AB could not have seen LM for he had no phone in his hand! - Those estimates to times of her sighting, the guesstimates of time from the person in that car seeing a bike upon that path - OUT of that line of trees blocking the V break, blocking any view of the path or wall. It does not matter a dam if the boys admitted to their bike being stopped, it was NOT seen at the V break in that wall. Just as LM was later, up east from that break shining his torch over to the police!
Last points here - JF telling AW he was on the path just after 4pm, a time [Name removed] would have been making her way home from school, AW and anyone being told that time were naturally going to apply it as being irrelevant. And all this wonderful information repeated over and over, and over again, because of that thorough investigation into those boys, inclusive of testing gloves weeks after the murder took place! It does what it says on the tin, keeps focus away from LM.
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What time did David High and David Turlock get home on that night?
Anyone know?
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What time did David High and David Turlock get home on that night?
Anyone know?
Did David High go into killer Luke Mitchell’s back garden in Newbattle Abbey crescent that night?
David Turlock and one other lad went home at 9pm
‘He said that he would often get food during school lunch breaks for Mr Mitchell, whom he said would sometimes reward him with cannabis at the end of the week.
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Excellent point - My own research concluded that the local yards did not have crushers, very much taken elsewhere for that purpose.
It does what it says on the tin, keeps focus away from LM.
Agreed, diversion and deflection, but bear in mind we're dealing with a mystic criminilogist winding up an ex-con pretend lawyer and violent bully. It might get a few likes on social media but in reality is only a mini-bus full of easily lead bingo patrons at their protests.
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Did David High go into killer Luke Mitchell’s back garden in Newbattle Abbey crescent that night?
David Turlock and one other lad went home at 9pm
‘He said that he would often get food during school lunch breaks for Mr Mitchell, whom he said would sometimes reward him with cannabis at the end of the week.
David Tullock went home at 9pm but what time did David High go home that night?
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And why did Corinne Mitchell call David High a ‘notorious liar’ ?
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What time did David High and David Turlock get home on that night?
Anyone know?
Did David High live with his parents and if so what time did they say he got home that night?
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Did David High live with his parents and if so what time did they say he got home that night?
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The Mitchell’s next door neighbour, Nicholas Frankland said he heard voices that night but could not be sure who’s voices they were
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Excellent point - My own research concluded that the local yards did not have crushers, very much taken elsewhere for that purpose.
But and again, why should that bike have been sought for testing at all? - There was no forensic evidence of multiple bodies present, bloody footprints going off in all directions, nor a snifter of those boys directly linked to anything to do with samples from the victim. - That world of fantasy of making any escape, those limited brain cells. That blue sweater without a doubt on top of the yellow football top did someone say? That cold summers day.
And again, excellent point around that clapped up bike! The trouble the boys had to get it going, doing so and having a couple of rides up and down the paths then home (witnessed).
The absolute lack of braincells here, honestly - NO viewpoint from over that V break, NO time, NO reason to be making their way down the inside of that wall some distance to have any viewpoint - And of course LM, those boys voices, any noise from the bike, fully alert to the fact of their presence in the vicinity.
This being seen at 5:15pm is on parallel with saying AB could not have seen LM for he had no phone in his hand! - Those estimates to times of her sighting, the guesstimates of time from the person in that car seeing a bike upon that path - OUT of that line of trees blocking the V break, blocking any view of the path or wall. It does not matter a dam if the boys admitted to their bike being stopped, it was NOT seen at the V break in that wall. Just as LM was later, up east from that break shining his torch over to the police!
Last points here - JF telling AW he was on the path just after 4pm, a time [Name removed] would have been making her way home from school, AW and anyone being told that time were naturally going to apply it as being irrelevant. And all this wonderful information repeated over and over, and over again, because of that thorough investigation into those boys, inclusive of testing gloves weeks after the murder took place! It does what it says on the tin, keeps focus away from LM.
If only John [Name removed] hadn’t admitted in court, under oath, that the bike had been propped against the break in the wall behind which Jodi’s body was found how much easier would gaslighting these poor rather naive individuals have been? That he had no idea, along with Gordon [Name removed], what he was doing while the bike was propped at the wall.
And if only LK hadn’t testified in court to hearing a motorbike behind the wall in the woods when he passed the v.
Read elsewhere:
"I said to police in my statement that I heard a motorcycle in the woods on the other side of the wall. It seemed quite far away from the wall."
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/%27Noise+was+like+someone+had+someone+else+in+a+headlock%27+CYCLIST%27S...-a0125541046?fbclid=IwAR1vRsv9xXnJkJtrnUc8o6Wz7kB0N2ngiTiJ2wYuxci4Ztq07FixmDbgLf8
If only eh!
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Agreed, diversion and deflection, but bear in mind we're dealing with a mystic criminilogist winding up an ex-con pretend lawyer and violent bully. It might get a few likes on social media but in reality is only a mini-bus full of easily lead bingo patrons at their protests.
I’ll take a mini bus full of easily lead bingo patrons and raise you a plagiarist.
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The Mitchell’s next door neighbour, Nicholas Frankland said he heard voices that night but could not be sure who’s voices they were
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I’ll take a mini bus full of easily lead bingo patrons and raise you a plagiarist.
Oh dear, scraping the barrel. I said I think LM is a psychopath (my opinion) backed up by academic research that psychopathy is not easily diagnosed, admittedly I didnt Harvard reference. I've posted on an internet forum not submitted a copied academic essay, yet you place all your faith in the ramblings of an unemployed criminologist.
More google plagiarism>
What jobs involve criminology? Jobs directly related to your degree include:
Civil service administrator.
Community development worker.
Crime scene investigator.
Detective.
Police officer.
Prison officer.
Probation officer.
Social worker.
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Where did Ruby Guetts live at the time of her grandson Luke Mitchell’s murder and did she often stay behind at Scott’s caravans to work, after her adoptive daughter had left the office to head home?
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Oh dear, scraping the barrel. I said I think LM is a psychopath (my opinion) backed up by academic research that psychopathy is not easily diagnosed, admittedly I didnt Harvard reference. I've posted on an internet forum not submitted a copied academic essay, yet you place all your faith in the ramblings of an unemployed criminologist.
More google plagiarism>
What jobs involve criminology? Jobs directly related to your degree include:
Civil service administrator.
Community development worker.
Crime scene investigator.
Detective.
Police officer.
Prison officer.
Probation officer.
Social worker.
I’m afraid the bottom of the barrel was already scraped through by your good self before I even picked up a trowel.
Have you listened to yourself? Psychopathy is not easily diagnosed but you claim to have achieved it with reference to a few media articles. Have you heard of the Goldberg rule?
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Ruby Guetta
"But they don't know that he used to sit up all night with his mother picking fleas and lice off hedgehogs to save their lives.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+granny+bids+to+sell+his+story+for+pounds+10%2C000%3B+EXCLUSIVE...-a0171737342
How does doing the above save the life of a hedgehog?
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Ruby Guetta
"But they don't know that he used to sit up all night with his mother picking fleas and lice off hedgehogs to save their lives.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+granny+bids+to+sell+his+story+for+pounds+10%2C000%3B+EXCLUSIVE...-a0171737342
How does doing the above save the life of a hedgehog?
How old was adoptee Corinne Mitchell when she was adopted?
‘Corinne, 47, is also keen on cashing in. She said: "With clever headlines, we both know your papers will fly off the shelf. The police didn't even take a statement from my mother yet she was the first person to speak to Luke when he returned from school.
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Who were the 20 witnesses who gave evidence against killer Luke Mitchell for supplying them with cannabis?
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“ Campbell was then shown three knives which he said were similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.
Was 14 year old Keith Campbell showed photographs of the three knives or replicas of the actual knives?
‘Mr Turnbull asked:'Is it normal for your friends to carry knives like this?'
The teenager replied:'Only Luke did.' Mr Turnbull: 'From the beginning of last year until the night Jodi was killed, how often would Luke tend to have knives when you saw him?'
Witness: 'Quite a lot.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+NAKED+AND+MUTILATED%3B+Jury+see+video+of+her...-a0124597244
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And how many witnesses from Perthshire gave evidence that killer Luke Mitchell had supplied them with cannabis ?
‘He is also charged with carrying a knife or knives at various places in Dalkeith and in Kenmore, Perthshire, and supplying cannabis to 20 people, including Jodi.
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Krissy Porteous
Reading more of Sandra’s book and the part about the phones is just 🤯, there’s a part in the beginning where Sandra states she felt like she was dealing with an explosion in Carphone Warehouse and I got a good LoL at it but after reading it,I totally get it!! What struck me is that out of all the forensic evidence sent for testing 121 came back with ‘No reportable result’, I’ve always been led to believe the smallest piece of dna is enough to find the person responsible and some of these samples aren’t tiny bits ie there’s ‘large’ saliva patches and x5 white stains with ‘intact cells’ also a brown hair with root and it seems an abundance of small colourless hairs too. Sandra points out that at some points they’ve been really lazy with recording the samples ie many hairs or a few hairs,’many’ and ‘a few’ are different amounts to everyone! They don’t even seem to have bothered to find out if the hairs were animal or human!Surely finding out what kind of samples your dealing with,human or otherwise is one of the first tests? Also I do understand that it depends on how the samples are labelled as to what results come, like if it says test for a link to LM they only check if it belonged to LM, I used to think of it wasn’t that persons, it got whizzed through a dna database to see if it’s owner was on file, not so 🙃 link ⬇️ more info about forensics
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Sheryl Oribine
Agnes Mccormick It's a disgrace on Scotland that our country,police and courts allowed a child to be charged with murder with not a single piece of evidence that could back it up there was more evidence to prove it wasnt him and they still charged him and now we find out there was so many crucial samples taken from Jodi's body that could prove who the killer was and they never tested them. Its utter scandalous xx
Krissy Porteous
Sheryl Oribine totally! They’ve had samples that I believe will exonerate Luke and kept them quiet , obviously they don’t believe they will convict Luke or they would have used it at trial, it’s galling to know Luke didn’t have to go through this
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Sheryl Oribine
Krissy Porteous Yeah they know fine well he is innocent but then they will have to admit they got it so very wrong and they don't want to admit it so they would rather let Luke spend life behind bars 😡😡 they make me sick how they could do that to someone. Xx
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Sheryl Oribine
Krissy Porteous We have them where we want them and the pressure is starting to cause cracks and we aint going anywhere until they have no other option but to admit they where wrong and that Luke didnt receive a fair trial because of the evidence that was held back from jury and evidence that was never tested and could have proved who the killer was,and the police handling of the entire case was just focused on Luke and only Luke. I mean they didn't even tell the jury that all charges against Luke's mum & brother where dropped so they allowed the jury to believe they gave Luke a false alibi..how is that fair? To me the case should have been thrown out because there was no dna evidence im really shocked that they actually charged him even there star witness who said she seen a couple standing at the entrance yet she described the girls clothing (which didn't even match jodis one bit) not to mention she was going round a bend at 30mph and she managed to get so many details?? But then in court she couldn't point Luke out now thats when the case should have really ended with a not guilty verdict because now there was the star witness who couldn't point Luke out and then there was no evidence..but the jury still where brain washed. Im really shocked that the jury didn't find the moped boys very very suspicious..here is two boys at the scene there bike up against the V break but where are they? And when asked they said they couldn't remember 🤔 or remember what they where doing..they didnt come forward for days and one cuts his hair so he doesn't look like the killer..how would he know what the killer looks like. Again this was never seen as suspicious. Just one out of a list of hundreds of other huge errors! xx
Is this what grifter Sandra Lean is telling these people ?
“We have them where we want them”?
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Heather Lungley
Excellent interview, it still all sounds so unbelievable, especially the latest developments❤️ I can only imagine that there are a good number of folk rather on edge at the moment…
And whoever that courageous whistleblower is, massive respect to them and a million thanks for coming forward and doing the right thing❤️👏👏
Sandra Lean
Heather Lungley Absolutely agree, Heather - without the whistleblower, everything would be gone and any chance of clearing Luke's name would be gone with it.
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
This Is The Cop Who Destroyed The Evidence, illegally, Potentially Covering up For The Real Murderer. Why ? PLEASE RETWEET and Share On All Your Socials, I Doubt Mainstream Media Will Be Reporting This !!! He Doesn't Deserve To Enjoy His Retirement #lukeMitchell
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https://twitter.com/Truth4Luke/status/1645209139117801473
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When asked during his police interview on the 1st July 2003 whether he went back over the wall
Killer Luke Mitchell said “there was "no way" he would go back over the wall’ - even though he was the only one to spend so much time over the other side of the wall
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Did David High go into killer Luke Mitchell’s back garden in Newbattle Abbey crescent that night?
David Turlock and one other lad went home at 9pm
‘He said that he would often get food during school lunch breaks for Mr Mitchell, whom he said would sometimes reward him with cannabis at the end of the week.
Why did Corinne Mitchell refer to David High as a ‘notorious liar’?
29] David High had appeared around 25 minutes after the appellant had phoned him. After spending some time at the Abbey, the appellant went home, arriving between 2105 to 2110..
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
And what time did David High get home that night?
There’s no mention in the court judgement of killer Luke Mitchell going for a walk with David Tullock and walking past the Mitchell’s house on the way to the ‘Tarzan Swing’
“He said: 'That night I got a phone call from David High, who was pals with Luke.
'We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.
'We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
'Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit.
'At about 9pm, myself and one of the other lads went home.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+FEEL+SICK%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Pal+reveals...-a0127512565
Where was the ‘Tarzan swing’ located amd were the jury shown a photograph of a mao showing the location of the ‘Tarzan swing’?
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More red flags https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0XWLRZvxNYWMt4PETHXR5y7BKEpNnMCjnEatiYjSbQBqLHHm2qCiFWwDheq5VsxPHl&id=1011563515
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Sandra Lean
Please, please listen - if you want to understand even more clearly how these injustices are happening up and down the UK, you won't get a better explanation than this.
And, if that doesn't interest you, how do you feel about PEOPLE AT WRONGFUL LIBERTY? That's people who got off with horrific crimes because someone else got convicted for their crimes.
https://youtu.be/EL5NVSdFP6Q
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This is the same innocence fraud pusher Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton were spreading rumours about and claiming Michael Naughton and Gabe Tan had been seen ‘holding hands together’
The same innocence fraud pusher who also pretends, like Sandra Lean, actually, factually guilty killers might be innocent
More On The Malicious Gaslighting & Moral Duplicity Of Michael Naughton - Part 19o©️
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-19o%ef%b8%8f/
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Gary Peden
The fact that DB replaced him and she has done exactly the same yet seems to be allowed to do it without getting called out even by Tory or labour candidates/MSP it's truly truly unbelievable
Sandra Lean
It's the pi$$ing on our backs and telling us it's raining that infuriates me. They actually expect us to believe that Lady Wolffe didn't realise the case she'd been allocated involved her husband? A 9MILLION POUND claim, involving her husband and she somehow didn't realise???
The other thing you see in this article is one that came up again and again in Luke's case (and is still being pushed out every chance they get) - it's "normal procedure" - even when you can see, with your own eyes and brain, that what they are talking about is a departure from normal procedures
The whole lot of them are on very, very thin ice now. The public have seen behind the veil and they are not happy!
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Why did Corinne Mitchell refer to David High as a ‘notorious liar’?
And what time did David High get home that night?
There’s no mention in the court judgement of killer Luke Mitchell going for a walk with David Tullock and walking past the Mitchell’s house on the way to the ‘Tarzan Swing’
Where was the ‘Tarzan swing’ located amd were the jury shown a photograph of a mao showing the location of the ‘Tarzan swing’?
David High lied
‘David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC asks the teenager: 'Where did you go then?' David replies: 'We just stayed there.'
When asked what they were doing there, he says: 'Smoking cannabis.'
He also tells the court that he was surprised to see Mitchell on his own, without Jodi, and asked where she was.
David High is also asked if he knew if Mitchell was planning a holiday with another girl for the weekend after Jodi died.
He says Mitchell had not mentioned it to him and had not told him about having sex with the other girl.
He tells the court: 'I think he might have said something about that.'
He goes on to deny any knowledge of a girl called Kimberley who was described earlier in the trial as a Jodi lookalike.
Mr Turnbull asks: 'You didn't know that girl had been to stay at his house and he had been to stay with her?'
David says: 'No.' Mr Turnbull: 'She stayed in his room when she visited. He did not tell you he had sex with the girl?'
David High appears to have omitted to mention them walking past the Mitchell’s house and going to the Tarzan swing’
“He said: 'That night I got a phone call from David High, who was pals with Luke.
'We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.
'We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
'Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit.
'At about 9pm, myself and one of the other lads went home.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+FEEL+SICK%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Pal+reveals...-a0127512565
Did David High stay with killer Luke Mitchell?
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David High lied
‘David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC asks the teenager: 'Where did you go then?' David replies: 'We just stayed there.'
They didn’t just stay there though
They ‘smoked cannabis’ and then they all left Newbattle abbey college and they walked past killer Luke Mitchell’s house and went to the ‘Tarzan swing’ - according to David Tullock
David Tullock and one other lad appear to have headed home at 9pm
Did David High go back to killer Luke Mitchell’s house?
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They didn’t just stay there though
They ‘smoked cannabis’ and then they all left Newbattle abbey college and they walked past killer Luke Mitchell’s house and went to the ‘Tarzan swing’ - according to David Tullock
David Tullock and one other lad appear to have headed home at 9pm
Did David High go back to killer Luke Mitchell’s house?
David Tullock appears to have been with another lad before he got a call from David High
“He said: 'That night I got a phone call from David High, who was pals with Luke.
'We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.
'We were smoking hash - Luke always brought it. He always seemed to have enough to go round.
'We went to sit in the bunker just next to the college and smoked cannabis there.
'Then we went for a walk to a Tarzan swing past Luke's house and we mucked about on that for a bit.
'At about 9pm, myself and one of the other lads went home.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+FEEL+SICK%3B+JODI+JONES%3A+THE+AFTERMATH+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Pal+reveals...-a0127512565
Where did killer Luke Mitchell and David High go?
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‘When Mr Turnbull asked him about the blade, the youth responded: "It was a folding one."
The witness identified a picture of a knife in court as "pretty like" the one Mr Mitchell allegedly had that day.
In a statement to the police, Mr High said the accused told him the knife was for protection after he asked him why he was carrying it.
He said that he would often get food during school lunch breaks for Mr Mitchell, whom he said would sometimes reward him with cannabis at the end of the week.
David High saw killer Luke Mitchell with his brown handled folding knife that night
Corrine Mitchell referred to David High as a ‘notorious little liar’ not a ‘notorious liar’
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4066537.stm
UPDATED
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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David High saw killer Luke Mitchell with his brown handled folding knife that night
UPDATED
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Did David High also see killer Luke Mitchell with his dog Mia that night?
Was David High in the killers garden when he was having another fire?
What time did David High tell the police he got home?
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I’m afraid the bottom of the barrel was already scraped through by your good self before I even picked up a trowel.
Have you listened to yourself? Psychopathy is not easily diagnosed but you claim to have achieved it with reference to a few media articles. Have you heard of the Goldberg rule?
Oh dear, I think you might be thinking of the Goldwater rule…?
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Did David High also see killer Luke Mitchell with his dog Mia that night?
Was David High in the killers garden when he was having another fire?
What time did David High tell the police he got home?
Did the Mitchell’s next door neighbour Nicolas Frankland see killer Luke Mitchell alone at 22:00hrs walking in the street or did he tell the police he also saw another youth or a dog?
And would Nicholas Frankland have been able to see if killer Luke Mitchell had Mia the dog with him at 22:00hrs - from his viewpoint - sitting watching TV?
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Has anyone read this book?
I’ve read a couple of pages from IB yesterday/today
Why did grifter Sandra Lean not make it clear it was self published?
And who’s idea was it to put that bird between those scales
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Page 2
“An imprint of Viva Angelina Publishing, Scotland“
What’s this 👆🏽
A play on Angeline aka Sandra Lean?
Angeline aka Sandra Lean mentioned here
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Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?- Part 18a
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Here
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The Appeals To Credentials Fallacy & Innocence Fraud (Part 4)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
And here
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Innocence Fraud Enabler Sandra Lean (Part 40)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/03/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-40/
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I’ve read a couple of pages from IB yesterday/today
Why did grifter Sandra Lean not make it clear it was self published?
And who’s idea was it to put that bird between those scales
Excerpts from IB by con artist Sandra Lean
“It is the story of an ordinary mum”
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“In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life….” ~ Sandra Lean
According to a source of mine Sandra Lean’s eldest daughter Chelsie, aka ‘unicorn princess’ (Referred to at the beginning of 1st discredited book ‘No Smoke’), lived with her father Kenny from around the age of 8 years of age.
I accept my source could be incorrect on this but Sandra Lean told me directly (circa 2009/19) her and her eldest daughter did ‘not get on’ and ‘hadn’t spoken for years’
And didn’t the ‘natural health centre’ go down the swanee?
With regards to the ‘completed’ renovations of her ‘cottage’
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The Peter Hill Rough Justice video suggests the ‘cottage’ renovations were NOT completed!
What year was that rough justice video filmed in?
“…wondrous new phase of my life”
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Was this also the ‘phase’ when Sandra Lean was in a relationship with an alleged ‘psychopath’ called Simon (also referred to at the beginning of ‘No Smoke’)
How did Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter Ellie (also referred to in ‘No Smoke’) feel about her mums new ‘phase’ and the alleged ‘psychopath’ called Simon?
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Excerpts from IB by con artist Sandra Lean
“It is the story of an ordinary mum”
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“In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life….” ~ Sandra Lean
During this “wondrous new phase” of Sandra Leans life her youngest daughter Ellie is presumably introduced to the alleged ‘psychopath’ called Simon (referred to in Sandra Lean’s first discredited book ‘No Smoke’) then the youngest daughter is coercived into meeting with and ‘supporting’ a sadistic teenage murderer and self confessed ‘violent goth’ called Luke Mitchell - who showed signs of violence from aged 7 and began attacking young girls from the age of 12 and also showing concerning signs of sexual aggression
More on self confessed ‘violent goth’ and sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and excerpts from his ‘pain & suffering’ English essay from January 2003 - which saw him referred to a guidance teacher
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Intimate Partner Femicide TIMELINE: Innocence Fraud Killer Luke Mitchell & [moderated] Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Through The Wall’ on ‘The Case Against Luke Mitchell’ Podcast By Manipulative Liar, Narcissistic Abuser, Gaslighter, Deluded Fantasist & Innocence Fraud Pusher Naomi Channel ~ COMING SOON..
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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Kristy Porteoue
What gets me is why did JuJ want to call the police when jodi was late home and hadn’t been where she was supposed to be? It wasn’t a rare occurrence by all accounts so Why was AW concerned enough to tell her to phone police? Jodi quite regularly missed her 10pm curfew at her grans and AW usually waited till JaJ finished work at 12 midnight to get her to check if jodi was in YW flat. AW didn’t believe YW that night when she called and JF had to go on the phone to convince her that Jodi wasn’t there so why would she walk past YWs flat to go looking for Jodi but not check there? Surely you’d want to check out all avenues before bothering with authorities, JuJ called AW,JaJ and a mystery person before placing the call reporting Jodi missing, it’s also really strange that x3 people Aw,SK and JuJ ’just knew’ there was something wrong 😑
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Am guessing Kristy Porteous hasn’t heard of a mothers intuition
Heather Lungley
Yep, it doesn’t make sense🤔
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Kristy Porteoue
What gets me is why did JuJ want to call the police when jodi was late home and hadn’t been where she was supposed to be? It wasn’t a rare occurrence by all accounts so Why was AW concerned enough to tell her to phone police? Jodi quite regularly missed her 10pm curfew at her grans and AW usually waited till JaJ finished work at 12 midnight to get her to check if jodi was in YW flat. AW didn’t believe YW that night when she called and JF had to go on the phone to convince her that Jodi wasn’t there so why would she walk past YWs flat to go looking for Jodi but not check there? Surely you’d want to check out all avenues before bothering with authorities, JuJ called AW,JaJ and a mystery person before placing the call reporting Jodi missing, it’s also really strange that x3 people Aw,SK and JuJ ’just knew’ there was something wrong 😑
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Adam Holland
AW is/ was the key to cracking the case. Had the police had any interest in finding the real killer/s.
The woman knew where to go, and made sure certain folk kept out of the way.
Given the way the family turned out, it’s safe to say she wasn’t exactly the greatest role model.
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Inka Oldmoot
Adam Holland AW was the first person to raise the alarm regarding Jodi’s whereabouts at 10pm, not JUJ.
My feeling is she was expected to go home to AWs that night, because something had occurred earlier in JuJs home and they knew she wouldn’t want to stay there.
They were anxious to get her home because they had reason to suspect she’d done a runner
Why was she found with absolutely no possessions- no bag, make up, food, money.
Unless some of those items were stolen, how usual is it for a teenager to leave the house with not one solitary possession and no tea?
It suggests to me that she left quickly- she fled without even picking up any of her things.
Very similar to the way domestic. abuse victims often leave with nothing.
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Ana Azaria
Rachel Roll It surprises me that the Police didn't seem bothered about the bike being heard, and the appeal document distanced the moped boys from the scene. If the moped boys had to push their bike up the path after the engine cut out - at what point was it at the V? before, or after LK heard the sounds? JF said the engine wasn't running when it was at the V - was this after it had cut out? That would surely mean it was after LK heard those sounds - and IF he really did hear the murder, how did the boys not see anything?
Rachel Roll
Ana Azaria Exactly, it makes you think about who was where and when.
LK's evidence was led on the same day as AB's with the aim being to show the jury, that they could make the assumption that Luke was at the Easthouses end of the path and in the company of Jodi at roughly 4:54pm.
LK's evidence was led to show that there was a witness to a 'strangling' type sound coming from the other side of the wall at roughly 5:15pm.
Putting the two together the jury could infer that it was Luke and Jodi that AB saw and it was the murder taking place that LK heard therefor the time of death was 5:15pm, remember there was no forensically ascertained time of death, it was largely based on what LK said he heard and when.
Far too much weight was given to AB and LK's witness evidence. LK's statements evolved over time from, he said he felt like he was being treated like a suspect and pressured to tell the police what they wanted to hear. Given the way that the appeal judges described the way the police behaved while questioning Luke I can absolutely imagine LK being pressured.
If LK's estimated time was wrong or if he didn't hear what he finally said he heard, that throws up more questions surrounding the moped boys and any other estimated time of death would mean it was impossible for it to have been Luke.
DF gets a lot of stick but he did point these things out to the Jury.
Ana Azaria
Rachel Roll Exactly. If he heard the sounds before 5.15pm, then the moped would have been seen at the v break after that. If LK did hear the murder before 5.15pm, the boys would have seen something. But if he heard the sounds after 5.15pm, then that makes an already impossible time frame for it to have been Luke, even less possible. And the moped boys didn't say how long they stayed behind the V. If the murder happened say, at 5.20pm, Luke was seen looking normal, with no blood on him at 5.50pm, no wet hair, wearing different clothing to these 'witness' descriptions. Half an hour for a prolonged attack, moving a body, and making the 7 minute minumum journey home to change and wash, ask his mum to burn a jacket, then make his way to the wall to be seen by boys from school, all in less than 30 minutes? I don't believe it.
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Excerpts from Sandra Leans book IB;
”At what should have been a time of bright new possibility, greater support and bolstered confidence, yet another shift took me completely by surprise. A hate campaign.
‘A hate campaign’
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”While I fully understood that many people did not understand why I did what I did and most of those did not agree with what I did, it had never really been much of an issue. Apart from the safety aspect in my immediately local area, most stated opinions had been fairly innocuous.
‘Safety aspect’
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“It began with the launch of a website in support of Luke Mitchell, some- thing that had been in the pipeline for some time, but had taken a huge amount of work to create. The furore caused by this one act was instant and vicious. Tabloids ran articles referring to “deluded” supporters, calling the site “sick” and “cruel.” The online versions of those stories allowed readers to leave comments and they did so in their dozens.
‘in the pipeline for sometime’
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“..had taken a huge amount of work to create”
Un-convicted baby killer and sexual predator Billy (William) Middleton was found ‘not proven’ at the end of March 2009
He had set up his website WAP by the following month - as is evidenced by the below article
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-as-dad-of-annalise-middleton-sets-1019199
Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy (William) Middelton ended up in a relationship at some point not long after he had set up his WAP website
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Twisted Reciprocal Relationships: Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns, Gaslighting & The Rebranding Of Dangerous Predator’s Into Faux Victims & The Toxicity, Triangulation, Projection & Informal Fallacies Which Go Hand In Hand With Innocence Fraud (Part 18c)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f/
Then at some point after ‘fiend’ Billy Middleton set up his killer Luke Mitchell page on WAP, he moved in with Sandra Lean and the ‘safety aspect’ appeared to have been Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter - who seemingly unbeknown to her was sharing her home with a sexual predator, un-convicted baby killer and someone who left his cigarettes burning when he went to sleep - full of whiskey
This was also around the same time Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were wrongly accusing Steven Kelly of following Jodi Jones and claiming his blood was found on her
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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/
And Billy Middleton wasn’t the only un-convicted child killer Sandra Lean was shilling for - she was also promoting Billy-Jo Jenkins convicted/un-convicted killer
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https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/previous-blog/
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The Peter Hill Rough Justice video suggests the ‘cottage’ renovations were NOT completed!
Have a listen to Peter Hill and Sandra Lean talking about killer Luke Mitchell’s knives from about 09:27 of Peter Hill’s ‘The case of the presumption of guilt’
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Twisted Reciprocal Relationships: Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns, Gaslighting & The Rebranding Of Dangerous Predator’s Into Faux Victims & The Toxicity, Triangulation, Projection & Informal Fallacies Which Go Hand In Hand With Innocence Fraud (Part 18c)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f/
Then at some point after ‘fiend’ Billy Middleton set up his killer Luke Mitchell page on WAP, he moved in with Sandra Lean and the ‘safety aspect’ appeared to have been Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter - who seemingly unbeknown to her was sharing her home with a sexual predator, un-convicted baby killer and someone who left his cigarettes burning when he went to sleep - full of whiskey
This was also around the same time Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were wrongly accusing Steven Kelly of following Jodi Jones and claiming his blood was found on her
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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/
And Billy Middleton wasn’t the only un-convicted child killer Sandra Lean was shilling for - she was also promoting Billy-Jo Jenkins convicted/un-convicted killer
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https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/previous-blog/
Was that Ellie Lean who Peter Hill (And Sandra Lean) had climb over the wall (As an experiment) then zoomed in on her backside?
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Was that Ellie Lean who Peter Hill (And Sandra Lean) had climb over the wall (As an experiment) then zoomed in on her backside?
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Was Peter Gill really attempting to suggest Sandra Lean was a ‘professional psychological profiler’
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Twisted Reciprocal Relationships: Abuser Sandra Lean & Her Lies, Deliberate Manipulation, Smear Campaigns, Gaslighting & The Rebranding Of Dangerous Predator’s Into Faux Victims & The Toxicity, Triangulation, Projection & Informal Fallacies Which Go Hand In Hand With Innocence Fraud (Part 18c)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18d%ef%b8%8f/
Then at some point after ‘fiend’ Billy Middleton set up his killer Luke Mitchell page on WAP, he moved in with Sandra Lean and the ‘safety aspect’ appeared to have been Sandra Lean’s youngest daughter - who seemingly unbeknown to her was sharing her home with a sexual predator, un-convicted baby killer and someone who left his cigarettes burning when he went to sleep - full of whiskey
This was also around the same time Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were wrongly accusing Steven Kelly of following Jodi Jones and claiming his blood was found on her
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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2010/06/20/mitchells-mum-points-finger-at-another-man-for-jodi-killing/
And Billy Middleton wasn’t the only un-convicted child killer Sandra Lean was shilling for - she was also promoting Billy-Jo Jenkins convicted/un-convicted killer
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https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/previous-blog/
Excerpt from IB
“Fortunately, I had a colleague visiting that day who had stayed out of view but saw and heard everything. We decided to go to the police, where another shock awaited me.
‘a colleague’
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Un-convicted baby killer and sexual predator Billy (William) Middleton - Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend being referred to by her as ‘a colleague’
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Excerpt by Sandra Lean from IB
“The mutilations, according to the prosecution, were copy-cat injuries taken, by Luke, from images of the 1940s murder of Elizabeth Short in the USA. The unsolved “Black Dahlia” case, as it was called, was depicted in watercolour pictures on the website of Marilyn Manson, a goth rocker. Luke, it was alleged, was also obsessed with Manson.
Luke then coolly returned home and had his mother destroy a parka jacket he wore during the attack, in a log burner in the back garden…
This is a myth perpetuated by sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, Corinne Mitchel and Sandra Lean
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Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
I am feeling ridiculously pleased with myself - finally tracked down the keyboard warrior who was always reviewing my books on Amazon as 1* - uncovered who he was (he used a pseudonym) found his work telephone number and then called him!
1:14 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Mark
@Doc_Wynn
Replying to
@ProfDavidWilson
Genuine question...
What if his genuine opinion was that they (your books or anybody's for that matter) weren't very good?
Where does an author stand in regards to this kind of thing?
1:22 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
Replying to
@Doc_Wynn
You accept that your books don’t appeal to everyone - that’s fine. However when the reviews are personal and not professional that’s another matter.
1:39 PM · Apr 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/ProfDavidWilson/status/1642863131293523970
What a moron!
David Wilson, who also didn’t attend sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial,claims he’s finally watched the second part of MIAST and says the killer ‘should never have been charged’ - lol
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Excerpt by Sandra Lean from IB
“The mutilations, according to the prosecution, were copy-cat injuries taken, by Luke, from images of the 1940s murder of Elizabeth Short in the USA. The unsolved “Black Dahlia” case, as it was called, was depicted in watercolour pictures on the website of Marilyn Manson, a goth rocker. Luke, it was alleged, was also obsessed with Manson.
Luke then coolly returned home and had his mother destroy a parka jacket he wore during the attack, in a log burner in the back garden…
Notice how David Wilson chooses to not point out who created this myth in his article for the Herald
“…nor is it true that his clothing was destroyed by his mother after the event” ~ David Wilson
This is a myth perpetuated by sadistic killer Luke Mitchell, Corinne Mitchel and Sandra Lean
The psychopathic killer blamed his mother Corinne and brother Shane Mitchell for his garden fires
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
In reality - David Wilson has no idea what went on in the Mitchell’s garden that night
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PROFESSOR DAVID WILSON
Luke Mitchell should never have been charged, let alone convicted
12 hrs ago
CRIME
By David Wilson
Professor of Criminology
I’ve never needed to be convinced that miscarriages of justice happen in Scotland.
I even wrote a book - Signs of Murder - about one such miscarriage that occurred after the murder of a young woman called Margaret McLaughlin in Carluke in July 1973. In that case the police “fitted up” a local man called George Beattie, who was a bit “soft”, enjoyed train spotting as a hobby and had a below average IQ. During his fourth police interview George would go on to give what I described as a “pseudo-confession”, in which he claimed that Margaret had been stabbed by men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them, and that he had been forced
In Signs of Murder I even recount tracking down the person I believe to have been more likely to have been Margaret’s killer and report a tense exchange that I had with him on his doorstep. He wasn’t pleased.
The publication of the book led to questions being asked in the Scottish parliament and raising hopes that George, at long last, might get exonerated for a crime that he most certainly did not commit.
However, slowly and silently, the Scottish judicial system clearly decided that George had served his sentence and so what was the point of re-opening old wounds and owning up to a collective failure of having got Margaret’s murder investigation and then George’s criminal prosecution so disastrously wrong.
I knew about Margaret’s murder because it happened in the town where I once lived, and two of my sisters still call Carluke home. I left to go to university and so all of my career has been in England. I really don’t know too much about Scottish cases – unless they come to be featured in Crime Files, which I present for BBC Scotland, or they have something about them which means they get covered south of the border. Crime reporting still tends to be regional, rather than national and even the story of “Bible John” is barely known in England.
However, at a public talk that I gave last December I was asked a question about Luke Mitchell, who had been convicted in 2005 for the murder of his girlfriend Jodi Jones, after her body had been found in woodland near Dalkeith in Midlothian in 2003. I can’t remember my exact reply, but I said that I knew the case was controversial and that it generated heated debate as Luke has never admitted his guilt even after nearly 20 years in prison, although Jodi’s family remain convinced that he’s the culprit. I had also become more aware of the case, I said, because I had viewed some of a two-part documentary on Channel 5 called Murder in a Small Town. However, such was the pressure of work, I hadn’t managed to watch the second episode.
Over the last few months, prompted by several emails I have at last been able to devote time to look more fully at Luke Mitchell’s case, and what I’ve seen gives me cause for concern. What happened to Luke almost echoes all the mistakes that took place within the investigation, trial and conviction of George Beattie and so my fear is that Jodi’s killer has never been caught and punished at all.
It took me two years to research and write Signs of Murder and even then I wasn’t privy to all of the materials that would normally have been made available to me if I had been conducting an official investigation. The same holds true for what I’ve been able to read and analyse about Jodi’s murder, and nor have I devoted two years to come to a conclusion. However, I have been able to: read transcripts from Luke’s trial; consult various appeals that were made on his behalf; looked at a range of newspaper commentary (some of which supported his conviction); watched Murder in a Small Town and also part of the Trials that Shocked Scotland series; listened to a podcast about the case – which also devoted most of an episode to Luke Mitchell speaking from prison (and he clearly is an intelligent man); and delved into some social media – which I can assure you is not for the faint-hearted.
So this range of materials can hardly be described as “definitive”. Nor have I been able to look at any surviving forensic evidence – there was none in George’s case – and, if press reports are to be believed, in the wake of the screening of the Channel 5 documentary, all of this was going to be destroyed in Luke’s case, until his solicitors stepped in to prevent its destruction.
However, even accepting that I could not access all of the materials I would have wanted, there is literally nothing – nothing - I could uncover that warranted Luke even being charged with Jodi’s murder, never mind being sent to trial. Instead there seemed to be a concerted press campaign to damage his character which served to support the police’s actions, and in much the same way that George’s reputation got tarnished by his pseudo-confession – he’s alluding to the pop group Slade with his reference to men wearing tall hats with mirrors on them – Luke gets similar treatment but this time it’s the American goth-rocker Marilyn Manson that’s harnessed to do the damage. There is no forensic evidence whatsoever to connect Luke to Jodi’s murder, despite the horrifying way in which she was killed. As with George, there were no “signs of murder” on his person, and nor is it true that his clothing was destroyed by his mother after the event. Witness testimony is weak, inconsistent and more than likely wrong, and about the only thing that I could see that needed to be investigated more fully was his part in the initial discovery of Jodi’s body. However, this was not just a case of circumstantial evidence leading to a conviction, but one of literally no evidence at all.
Nothing has happened as far as George Beattie’s miscarriage is concerned and my fear is that nothing will happen about Luke Mitchell’s either. The Scottish Criminal Justice System never seems keen to admit to its mistakes but, as I have always argued, a judicial system cannot call itself mature and civilised unless it’s prepared to hold its hands up and admit when it gets things wrong.
And that’s what they did in Luke Mitchell’s case – it got things wrong, and so for me Jodi’s killer is still to be brought to justice.
Professor David Wilson is emeritus professor of criminology at Birmingham City University
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I see Professor David Barclay disagrees with Professor David Wilson. Which professor to believe, huh?
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I see Professor David Barclay disagrees with Professor David Wilson. Which professor to believe, huh?
Doesn’t Dave Barclay also claim the so called ‘ice cream wars’ killers were innocent?
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That creepy grifter Peter Hill put something together on Margaret McLaughlins killer George Beatie here
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http://www.roughjusticetv.co.uk/
Given David Wilson’s attempting to promote the innocence fraud of Killer George Beatie, it was predictable he would end up promoting sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s innocence fraud
Peter Hill attended killer Simon Hall’s December 2010 appeal in London
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12542887.evidence-flaws-go-to-lord-hope-beattie-case-reaches-court-of-criminal-appeal/
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Another excerpt from Sandra Lean’s IB
’Judith’s claim that she woke Joseph at around 10.30pm, because Jodi was missing, was clearly mistaken – it was not until 10.40pm that Judith discovered Jodi had not been with Luke, and 10.46pm that she knew Jodi was not at her Gran’s
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Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell’s phone at 10:20pm
22:20: Killer Luke Mitchell Received A Text Message From Judith Jones Reading “2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"🌻
22:21: Killer Luke Mitchell Telephoned Judith Jones. Judith Stated: 'He said he hadn't seen Jodi🌻 all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong”
22:30: Judith Jones Began Ringing Round Her Daughter Jodi Jones🌻Friends
More here 👇
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Another excerpt from Sandra Lean’s IB
’Judith’s claim that she woke Joseph at around 10.30pm, because Jodi was missing, was clearly mistaken – it was not until 10.40pm that Judith discovered Jodi had not been with Luke, and 10.46pm that she knew Jodi was not at her Gran’s
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Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell’s phone at 10:20pm
22:20: Killer Luke Mitchell Received A Text Message From Judith Jones Reading “2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"🌻
22:21: Killer Luke Mitchell Telephoned Judith Jones. Judith Stated: 'He said he hadn't seen Jodi🌻 all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong”
22:30: Judith Jones Began Ringing Round Her Daughter Jodi Jones🌻Friends
More here 👇
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Further excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.142)
‘Something is very wrong here. Judith did not know and could not have told anyone else that Jodi had not been with Luke that evening, until after she hung up the call with Luke at 10.42:40pm.
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(IB P.150)
‘In a nutshell, prior to 10.40pm, no-one in Jodi’s family knew she had not been where she was supposed to be that night
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Further excerpts from abusive liar and fraudster Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.142)
‘Something is very wrong here. Judith did not know and could not have told anyone else that Jodi had not been with Luke that evening, until after she hung up the call with Luke at 10.42:40pm.
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(IB P.150)
‘In a nutshell, prior to 10.40pm, no-one in Jodi’s family knew she had not been where she was supposed to be that night
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Further excerpt from Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.168)
‘All of this phone juggling should have been properly checked out at the time
More of Sandra psychological projections
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More bare faced lies by Sandra Lean
Excerpts from IB (p.169)
‘The other girl, Kimberley Thomson, lived some 60 miles away. Luke met her the previous year when the family were on holiday and the two thirteen-year-olds had a “holiday romance.” They kept in touch by phone and met up again in the New Year period of 2003. Luke had not seen Kimberley since, although they still chatted on the phone.
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell met up with Kimberly Thomson on the 14th February 2003
Does Sandra Lean abuse and gaslight her two daughters like she does with other people?
‘The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.
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Four months NOT six months!
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Sandra Lean why did you choose to ghost David High, David Tullock and the Tarzan swing from your 2nd book?
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Another excerpt from Sandra Lean’s IB
’Judith’s claim that she woke Joseph at around 10.30pm, because Jodi was missing, was clearly mistaken – it was not until 10.40pm that Judith discovered Jodi had not been with Luke, and 10.46pm that she knew Jodi was not at her Gran’s
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Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell’s phone at 10:20pm
22:20: Killer Luke Mitchell Received A Text Message From Judith Jones Reading “2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"🌻
22:21: Killer Luke Mitchell Telephoned Judith Jones. Judith Stated: 'He said he hadn't seen Jodi🌻 all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong”
22:30: Judith Jones Began Ringing Round Her Daughter Jodi Jones🌻Friends
More here 👇
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.138)
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’10:38pm: The initial text message, sent from Judith’s mobile to Luke’s, intended for Jodi - “Right Toad, 2 weeks grounding, say bye to Luke, was the first point at which anyone knew something was wrong on the evening of June 30th.
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10:38pm ?
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The text was sent at 10:20pm!
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Further excerpt
‘10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening
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Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Judith Jones at 10:21pm!
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean”# book IB
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‘His phone was taken from him and switched off whilst he was speaking to his mum
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No it was NOT!
Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell telephoned his adoptee mother Corinne Mitchell at 00:31hrs to tell her to ‘Stop f..king phoning’
The police did NOT take his phone off him while he was speaking to his mother!
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Excerpt from abusive liar and fraudster Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.138)
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“Right Toad, 2 weeks grounding, say bye to Luke
The text message read
“2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"
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DROPPING SOON…
Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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Sandra Lean
Gary Peden Yeah, my response was part tongue in cheek, too - I guess, if we can't find the humour in this stuff, we'll all lose our minds!!!
I still struggle, to this day, to accept that, once it became apparent they were charging ahead on the basis of false statements and lies, not one of them said, "Hang on, we've got a problem here," but instead, they just carried on regardless.
Why would they do that? The only plausible answer I've ever been able to come up with is that the damage was already done - they HAD to keep pursuing Luke, because they'd let everything else slip by, contaminated evidence, failed to collect evidence, etc, etc. It's the only explanation that accounts for the massive stretches and inventions as well - looking back, you think, how the hell did they ever think they would get away with it??? But scarily, they almost did!!!
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XSarah Loux
Adam Holland 💯 and the fact [Name removed] would attack his own sisters too the way he did, speaks volumes I'm not sure which family member it was he attacked just b4 the murder, but the mum was trying to stop it and I believe it lead to her getting a slash to her hand!!
Sandra Lean
XSarah Loux it wasn't a family member on whom an attack with a knife was attempted by [Name removed] that evening, it was a friend of the family. But you're right, JuJ stepped in to try to prevent it and ended up injured with the knife.
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Excerpt from abusive liar and fraudster Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.138)
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’10:38pm: The initial text message, sent from Judith’s mobile to Luke’s, intended for Jodi - “Right Toad, 2 weeks grounding, say bye to Luke, was the first point at which anyone knew something was wrong on the evening of June 30th.
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10:38pm ?
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The text was sent at 10:20pm!
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Further excerpt
‘10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening
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Psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Judith Jones at 10:21pm!
I have always read the txt was around 10.40. You said the txt was at 10.20. Can you provide the source of that time please? I believe Sandra got her times from the call logs etc.
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I have always read the txt was around 10.40. You said the txt was at 10.20. Can you provide the source of that time please? I believe Sandra got her times from the call logs etc.
Sandra Lean has ignored the actual evidence and exploited the errors in the judgement and in some media articles
The timings in the judgement of killer Luke Mitchell’s case includes errors in relation to timings, similar to the errors on timings in the judgment of killer Simon Hall
Judith Jones sent a text to killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm
Source here
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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INNOCENCE FRAUD With ROBERTA GLASS (Part 1)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/innocence-fraud-with-roberta-glass-part-1/
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Dropping Shortly…
Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/13/killer-luke-mitchell-could-david-wilson-suffer-from-hybristophilia-part-176/
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Sandra Lean has ignored the actual evidence and exploited the errors in the judgement and in some media articles
The timings in the judgement of killer Luke Mitchell’s case includes errors in relation to timings, similar to the errors on timings in the judgment of killer Simon Hall
Judith Jones sent a text to killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm
Source here
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30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of 14, Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Do you think that you simply repeating a claim with no official source to back it up is an adequate answer to Bullseye’s question?
For future reference this is a source.
“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.
Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:
"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
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Do you think that you simply repeating a claim with no official source to back it up is an adequate answer to Bullseye’s question?
For future reference this is a source.
“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.
Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:
"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
You’ve quoted from an article that has blatantly ignored his knife threats of other young girls, leading up to his murder
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You’ve quoted from an article that has blatantly ignored his knife threats of other young girls, leading up to his murder
Please don’t deflect. The subject in hand was your claim that Luke received a text from Judith Jones at 10.20. That is demonstrably untrue.
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Please don’t deflect. The subject in hand was your claim that Luke received a text from Judith Jones at 10.20. That is demonstrably untrue.
I believe he received the text message at 10:20pm
I do not believe Sandra Lean aka Jigsawman - her timeline has been manipulated
She’s even claimed the line was ‘engaged’ when the psycho killer phoned the Jones house at 5:32pm *&^^&
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
He phoned the speaking clock at 4:54pm
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
There was actually a 20 minute window
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
The line was not engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
He invited David High to his house in Newbattle Abbey College crescent
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
They did not hang around the abbey for a couple of hours. They went for a walk, at some point walked past the Mitchell house then headed to the Tarzan swing
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
10.51pm Luke leaves the house with a torch and the dog. It is still light, but beginning to get dark the sky is blue rather than black)
11.03 11.05pm Luke sees people at the Easthouses end of the path. They do not come towards him, but wait for him to approach. It is the family search party.
11.06pm A call is answered on the landline in Alice Walkers house. The family search party claim they left after this call was taken. If the plan had been for Luke to leave immediately (at 10.49pm) to meet the other members of the search party, why did Judy wait until 6 minutes past 11, a full 15 minutes, before calling them to tell them of this arrangement?
And how did they manage to be at the top of the path before this time?
11.10 11.25pm The search party go back down the path, and find the body.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
00.00-00.15 Forensics officer arrives at the scene, but cannot climb over the wall, so leaves. The body is uncovered.
03.00am Craig Dobbie becomes SIO
4.00am-4.30am The family search party is in Judys house, the police begin to take their statements (more than 4 hours after Luke is taken in, and after they have had the opportunity to speak to other members of the family. Their clothes are not taken for forensic examination, neither are they examined, or have samples taken.)
05.00-05.30 Police photographer/videographer records the scene. Overhanging branches have been cut down to make it easier for him to take pictures. During this time, Dobbie has spoken to the pathologist it appears he took the pathologist to the scene, although this is not absolutely clear from the records, and he was never asked directly. The body is still uncovered.
00.00-08.00am Sometime during this 8 hour period, the body was moved, rolled onto a plastic sheet, and items around it gathered up. There is no record of when this was done, or by whom. The body was left uncovered in the rain for the whole of this period.
A condom, leaking fresh semen, was found yards from the body in the early hours of July 1st. It is known, with absolute certainty, that the person who filled this condom did so behind the wall, close to where Jodi's body was found, on the evening of June 30th, and that when he was finally traced, some three years later, the statement he gave to police was demonstrably untrue. He was never investigated for this murder.
Craig Dobbie claims he became Senior Investigating Officer in charge of the case at around 3am. Why, then, did he allow the body to remain uncovered for another 5 hours? And why, 60 to 90 minutes after he became "in charge" did he not ensure the family search party were treated the same way Luke had been some 4 hours earlier?
The discrepancy between the "sightings" has never been explained. If Andrina Bryson "saw" Jodi on the entrance to the path at 4.48-4.54, how could the other witnesses have seen the mystery man following her on the street going towards the path some 9 minutes later? Remember, there were two independent witnesses to the "mystery man" yet these were dismissed in favour of the one "sighting" by Bryson, even though this meant altering the times.
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Do you think that you simply repeating a claim with no official source
Sandra Lean is not an ‘official source’
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I believe he received the text message at 10:20pm
I do not believe Sandra Lean aka Jigsawman - her timeline has been manipulated
She’s even claimed the line was ‘engaged’ when the psycho killer phoned the Jones house at 5:32pm *&^^&
Deflection again. This isn’t about what Dr Lean claimed but court reports published in the media.
“ When Jodi hadn't returned home by 10pm she sent a text message to Mitchell as her daughter's mobile wasn't working. Timed at 10.41pm, it read:'Right, that's you grounded for another two weeks.”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER%3A+THAT%27S+ME+OFF+MUM%3B+Jodi%27s+mother+tells+court+of...-a0125469714
“ Jodi Jones is reported missing by her mother around 10.40pm - 40 minutes after she had been due to return to her home in Parkhead Place, Easthouses, Midlothian. ”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401135.timeline-jodi-jones-murder-case/
Are they all wrong and you, who never spent one day in court, right? Who is your source for you 10.20 text?
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Sandra Lean is not an ‘official source’
But the reporters who attended court are.
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I believe he received the text message at 10:20pm
I do not believe Sandra Lean aka Jigsawman - her timeline has been manipulated
She’s even claimed the line was ‘engaged’ when the psycho killer phoned the Jones house at 5:32pm *&^^&
So am I right in saying you have no actual source of the call being 1020, just that’s what you believe. Sandra saying the call logs show the time of around 1040 is either incorrect or she is lying?? You may not believe Sandra to be an official source but how about the court documents, would that be enough to convince you? It states - At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded.
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Could David Wilson ‘Suffer’ From Hybristophilia? (Part 176)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
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Deflection again. This isn’t about what Dr Lean claimed but court reports published in the media.
“ When Jodi hadn't returned home by 10pm she sent a text message to Mitchell as her daughter's mobile wasn't working. Timed at 10.41pm, it read:'Right, that's you grounded for another two weeks.”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER%3A+THAT%27S+ME+OFF+MUM%3B+Jodi%27s+mother+tells+court+of...-a0125469714
“ Jodi Jones is reported missing by her mother around 10.40pm - 40 minutes after she had been due to return to her home in Parkhead Place, Easthouses, Midlothian. ”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401135.timeline-jodi-jones-murder-case/
Are they all wrong and you, who never spent one day in court, right? Who is your source for you 10.20 text?
Read the judgement in killer Simon Hall’s appeal - the judges also made whopping mistakes re timings
Judgement on embezzler Seema Misra - more mistakes
It’s a common occurrence - especially in appeal judgements
And it’s these types of errors that people like fraudster Sandra Lean also exploits
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So am I right in saying you have no actual source of the call being 1020
No
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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how about the court documents
You should see some of the documents in killer Simon Hall case
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At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone,
It was 10:39pm for years
*&^^&
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
10.51pm Luke leaves the house with a torch and the dog. It is still light, but beginning to get dark the sky is blue rather than black)
11.03 11.05pm Luke sees people at the Easthouses end of the path. They do not come towards him, but wait for him to approach. It is the family search party.
11.06pm A call is answered on the landline in Alice Walkers house. The family search party claim they left after this call was taken. If the plan had been for Luke to leave immediately (at 10.49pm) to meet the other members of the search party, why did Judy wait until 6 minutes past 11, a full 15 minutes, before calling them to tell them of this arrangement?
And how did they manage to be at the top of the path before this time?
11.10 11.25pm The search party go back down the path, and find the body.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
00.00-00.15 Forensics officer arrives at the scene, but cannot climb over the wall, so leaves. The body is uncovered.
03.00am Craig Dobbie becomes SIO
4.00am-4.30am The family search party is in Judys house, the police begin to take their statements (more than 4 hours after Luke is taken in, and after they have had the opportunity to speak to other members of the family. Their clothes are not taken for forensic examination, neither are they examined, or have samples taken.)
05.00-05.30 Police photographer/videographer records the scene. Overhanging branches have been cut down to make it easier for him to take pictures. During this time, Dobbie has spoken to the pathologist it appears he took the pathologist to the scene, although this is not absolutely clear from the records, and he was never asked directly. The body is still uncovered.
00.00-08.00am Sometime during this 8 hour period, the body was moved, rolled onto a plastic sheet, and items around it gathered up. There is no record of when this was done, or by whom. The body was left uncovered in the rain for the whole of this period..
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Read the judgement in killer Simon Hall’s appeal - the judges also made whopping mistakes re timings
Judgement on embezzler Seema Misra - more mistakes
It’s a common occurrence - especially in appeal judgements
And it’s these types of errors that people like fraudster Sandra Lean also exploits
What are you talking about? These weren’t the judge’s words but the testimony of Jodi’s mum at the trial.
It’s your errors that are the problem. Michael Hickey confessed….except he didn’t….Judith Jones texted Luke Mitchell at 10.20…expect she didn’t etc etc etc. I’m really not sure whether you’re consciously trying to gaslight or simply can’t tell the truth from the lies you obviously want to believe anymore.
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It was 10:39pm for years
*&^^&
Thing is it was never 10.20.
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Thing is it was never 10.20.
It was during the trial
And it was on the night of 30th June 2003
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Thing is it was never 10.20.
Some of Parky’s forum posts were re-published as guest blogs but that wasn’t an indication we agreed with his timings (for an example)
Killer Luke Mitchell: Clearing Up That Obtuse Line Of Reasoning Of The ‘Search Party’ (Part 119)
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Judith Jones first sent a text message at 10:20pm
Killer Luke Mitchell phoned Judith
Around 10:30pm Judith Jones was phoning around friends/family - she also woke up her son
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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Some of Parky’s forum posts were re-published as guest blogs but that wasn’t an indication we agreed with his timings (for an example)
Killer Luke Mitchell: Clearing Up That Obtuse Line Of Reasoning Of The ‘Search Party’ (Part 119)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-clearing-up-that-obtuse-line-of-reasoning-of-the-search-party-part-119/
Judith Jones first sent a text message at 10:20pm
Killer Luke Mitchell phoned Judith
Around 10:30pm Judith Jones was phoning around friends/family - she also woke up her son
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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Who are we?
I have already posted links to what Judith Jones said in court. The text was 10.40.
I’m really not sure where you got your timings from as they were certainly not mentioned by the Crown or Judith Jones herself and you refuse to say but you are demonstrably wrong. Your determination to undermine Dr Lean is simply making you look foolish.
BTW is it true that you’ve been trolling the aunt of the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?
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Who are we?
None of your business!
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The text was 10.40.
The text was 10:20pm!
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mentioned by the Crown … Judith Jones
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
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BTW is it true that you’ve been trolling the aunt of the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?
No
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the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?
was Sandra Lean
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The text was 10:20pm!
Nope.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
Also from the Herald…and every other media outlet who reported on it.
“ For future reference this is a source.
“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.
Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:
"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
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No
That’s not what I hear.
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was Sandra Lean
No it wasn’t.
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No it wasn’t.
Sandra Lean had the text at 10:39pm for years - did you ever figure out where she got that from?
It was a chicken pie then a steak pie
*&^^&
Then prawns
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Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
10.51pm Luke leaves the house with a torch and the dog. It is still light, but beginning to get dark the sky is blue rather than black)
11.03 11.05pm Luke sees people at the Easthouses end of the path. They do not come towards him, but wait for him to approach. It is the family search party.
11.06pm A call is answered on the landline in Alice Walkers house. The family search party claim they left after this call was taken. If the plan had been for Luke to leave immediately (at 10.49pm) to meet the other members of the search party, why did Judy wait until 6 minutes past 11, a full 15 minutes, before calling them to tell them of this arrangement?
And how did they manage to be at the top of the path before this time?
11.10 11.25pm The search party go back down the path, and find the body.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
00.00-00.15 Forensics officer arrives at the scene, but cannot climb over the wall, so leaves. The body is uncovered.
03.00am Craig Dobbie becomes SIO
4.00am-4.30am The family search party is in Judys house, the police begin to take their statements (more than 4 hours after Luke is taken in, and after they have had the opportunity to speak to other members of the family. Their clothes are not taken for forensic examination, neither are they examined, or have samples taken.)
05.00-05.30 Police photographer/videographer records the scene. Overhanging branches have been cut down to make it easier for him to take pictures. During this time, Dobbie has spoken to the pathologist it appears he took the pathologist to the scene, although this is not absolutely clear from the records, and he was never asked directly. The body is still uncovered.
00.00-08.00am Sometime during this 8 hour period, the body was moved, rolled onto a plastic sheet, and items around it gathered up. There is no record of when this was done, or by whom. The body was left uncovered in the rain for the whole of this period..
And there’s no way the killer left at 10:51 - he was already out with the dog
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Sandra Lean had the text at 10:39pm for years - did you ever figure out where she got that from?
It was a chicken pie then a steak pie
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Then prawns
@)(++(*
Deflecting again. The text was not sent at 10.20.
And the boys had the pie, Corrine the prawns.
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And there’s no way the killer left at 10:51 - he was already out with the dog
You have absolutely no way of knowing that.
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was Sandra Lean
SL "fact checked" Forbes book yet they managed to disagree on a number of events.
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SL "fact checked" Forbes book yet they managed to disagree on a number of events.
Thank you KenMore. Forbes did in fact say the Dr Lean fact checked his book while another woman proof read it, the aunt of whom Nicholas now appears to be trolling.
BTW it is possible to agree on the facts but disagree on where those facts lead.
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Thank you KenMore. Forbes did in fact say the Dr Lean fact checked his book while another woman proof read it, the aunt of whom Nicholas now appears to be trolling.
Foxtrot Oscar John!
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You have absolutely no way of knowing that.
By a process of eliminations, killer Luke Mitchell was already out the house
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By a process of eliminations, killer Luke Mitchell was already out the house
Nope.
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Deflecting again. The text was not sent at 10.20.
And the boys had the pie, Corrine the prawns.
SM "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that night".
Did SM admit to seeing LM at other times of that night seeing he was in and out of the house a lot according to CM, and LM was back and forth between the Abbey and the house?
No wonder the jury saw through this shambles of an alibi concocted by CM. Of course, SM was a heavy drug user and couldn't recall events and was also threatened by police who made him say things so his own brother would get a life sentence.
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SM "I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother that night".
Did SM admit to seeing LM at other times of that night seeing he was in and out of the house a lot according to CM, and LM was back and forth between the Abbey and the house?
No wonder the jury saw through this shambles of an alibi concocted by CM. Of course, SM was a heavy drug user and couldn't recall events and was also threatened by police who made him say things so his own brother would get a life sentence.
Why didn’t Shane give his brother an alibi in his first statement if a tale had been concocted? The Mitchells had several days to get their story straight. Why not say that Luke was in the house from the off?
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Why didn’t Shane give his brother an alibi in his first statement if a tale had been concocted? The Mitchells had several days to get their story straight. Why not say that Luke was in the house from the off?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was in and out the house - having fires in the back garden (while Corinne Mitchell was burning pampas grass 🙄)
6:30pm - 7:30pm fire alight in the Mitchell’s back garden
Around 7:30pm - David High, David Tullock & another lad & the killer go for a walk - past the Mitchell house to Tarzan swing
Around 10pm - fires alight in the Mitchell’s back garden again
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Why didn’t Shane give his brother an alibi in his first statement if a tale had been concocted? The Mitchells had several days to get their story straight. Why not say that Luke was in the house from the off?
He couldn't remember? CM had to remind him that this was the night LM burnt the pies / killed his girlfriend, then SM remembered he smelled the burnt pies and went to speak to LM and remarked LM was happy so he didn't want to mention the burnt pies. But then at court he couldn't remember that happening. You could always ask him why.
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was in and out the house - having fires in the back garden (while Corinne Mitchell was burning pampas grass 🙄)
6:30pm - 7:30pm fire alight in the Mitchell’s back garden
Around 7:30pm - David High, David Tullock & another lad & the killer go for a walk - past the Mitchell house to Tarzan swing
Around 10pm - fires alight in the Mitchell’s back garden again
How many neighbours, of a I believe, the 30ish around the Mitchell’s home recalled seeing or smelling a fire on the night of the 30th?
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He couldn't remember? CM had to remind him that this was the night LM burnt the pies / killed his girlfriend, then SM remembered he smelled the burnt pies and went to speak to LM and remarked LM was happy so he didn't want to mention the burnt pies. But then at court he couldn't remember that happening. You could always ask him why.
He couldn’t remember the alibi that himself, his mother or his brother had just concocted? Did he have a bad memory then?
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He couldn't remember? CM had to remind him that this was the night LM burnt the pies / killed his girlfriend, then SM remembered he smelled the burnt pies and went to speak to LM and remarked LM was happy so he didn't want to mention the burnt pies. But then at court he couldn't remember that happening. You could always ask him why.
But liar Shane Mitchell couldn’t smell his mother Corinne Mitchell’s prawns
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How many neighbours, of a I believe, the 30ish around the Mitchell’s home recalled seeing or smelling a fire on the night of the 30th?
George Ramage - garden backed onto the Mitchell’s
Nicholas Frankland - nextdoor neighbour
Patricia Frankland - nextdoor neighbour
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But liar Shane Mitchell couldn’t smell his mother Corinne Mitchell’s prawns
Were they cooked? When I was a pescatarian I enjoyed my prawns cold in a salad or simply with a good sourdough and butter. Perhaps Corrine did too?
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George Ramage - garden backed onto the Mitchell’s
Nicholas Frankland - nextdoor neighbour
Patricia Frankland - nextdoor neighbour
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Impressive, 3 out of over 30 neighbours. Wasn’t Mr Frankland the peeping Tom who called Corrine a tart?
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Were they cooked? When I was a pescatarian I enjoyed my prawns cold in a salad or simply with a good sourdough and butter. Perhaps Corrine did too?
Corinne Mitchell hadn’t been shopping for a week - so the alleged prawns would have needed defrosting (fresh prawns last around 2-3 days in the fridge)
Corinne claimed she hadn’t done food shopping for a while
Corinne also claimed she didn’t go shopping until the Tuesday 1st July 2003
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Corinne Mitchell hadn’t been shopping for a week - so the alleged prawns would have needed defrosting (fresh prawns last around 2-3 days in the fridge)
Corinne claimed she hadn’t done food shopping for a while
Corinne also claimed she didn’t go shopping until the Tuesday 1st July 2003
Frozen prawns put in the fridge overnight to defrost or left covered on the counter top that morning. Simple really
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Frozen prawns put in the fridge overnight to defrost or left covered on the counter top that morning. Simple really
This hasn’t been mentioned in 20 years
Because it didn’t happen
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The prawns are neither here nor there, frozen or not. SM could not alibi his brother in those crucial 30 mins despite CM saying they all ate at the same time. So who cooked the food and how did SM receive it?
It didn't happen hence why SM has zero contact with his mother.
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Wasn’t FLIP - where Corinne Mitchell bought the replacement jacket an American clothing store?
Paul Wolf apparently had American clothes shipped across the Atlantic
FLIP stocked American army and airforce surplus gear too
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The prawns are neither here nor there, frozen or not. SM could not alibi his brother in those crucial 30 mins despite CM saying they all ate at the same time. So who cooked the food and how did SM receive it?
It didn't happen hence why SM has zero contact with his mother.
Killer Luke Mitchell had left the house by the time he phoned his grandmother Ruby Guetta
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Killer Simon Hall was ‘at large’ for around seven months following his murder
Killer Luke Mitchell was ‘at large’ for around 10 months
In the time whilst killer Simon Hall was ‘at large’ his adoptive mother Lynne Hall attempted to taint witness evidence
Sandra Lean appears to have attempted to do the same in killer Luke Mitchell’s case
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Excerpts from IB by con artist Sandra Lean
“It is the story of an ordinary mum”
“In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life….” ~ Sandra Lean
Con artist Sandra Lean was working as a ‘career’ around this time - for someone else!
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And Sandra Lean approached Corinne Mitchell
Not the other way round
Sandra Lean was a self employed ‘career’ at time killer Luke Mitchell committed his murder
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The prawns are neither here nor there, frozen or not. SM could not alibi his brother in those crucial 30 mins despite CM saying they all ate at the same time. So who cooked the food and how did SM receive it?
It didn't happen hence why SM has zero contact with his mother.
Did Shane have a bad memory, do you think?
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Excerpts from IB by con artist Sandra Lean
“It is the story of an ordinary mum”
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*&^^&
“In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life….” ~ Sandra Lean
This ‘wondrous new phase’ of Sandra Lean’s life saw her making contact with killer Luke Mitchell’s mother
Did you knock on Corinne’s door Sandra?
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Excerpt from pretend ‘police officer’/self employed carer Sandra Lean’s book IB (page 17)
“Becoming involved in this work was, to me, as natural as breathing – I saw a wrong and knew I had to do whatever I could to help put it right
So Sandra Lean decided to contact killer Luke Mitchell’s mother Corinne
Not the police - Corinne Mitchell
Similar to Scott Forbes when he went to Scott’s caravans
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This ‘wondrous new phase’ of Sandra Lean’s life saw her making contact with killer Luke Mitchell’s mother
Did you knock on Corinne’s door Sandra?
What happened to SL's business? Was it a hypnotherapist/palm reader centre and did she give it up to fight for LM?
Has she ever worked in any employed positions that would provide practical experience in legal & criminal case work or is it all self-taught?
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Has she ever worked in any employed positions
Sandra Lean was a self employed carer
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What happened to SL's business?
Her business went down the swannee
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Was it a hypnotherapist
‘Enabled by nature’ came later
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Her ‘enabled by nature’ website was taken down recently http://enabledbynature.com/
Sandra Lean - 4th December 2020
As a qualified clinical hypnotherapist, I know a bit about the power of suggestion. Confusion is a really effective technique – while the conscious mind is trying to work out the confusing information, the “suggestion” is quietly being absorbed. Shock/sudden interruption is another effective technique – a sudden change of direction startles the “thinking” mind and, as it tries to get back on course, the “suggestion” is quietly being absorbed. Linking unrelated information is another. For maximum effect, ensure there are many subliminal “pointers” to your “suggestion” scattered all around (it’s how advertising works) – signs, posters, images, film clips – all supporting each other and the main “suggestion.” Finally, if you can focus attention intensely onto one thing, everything else will come to be seen through the filter of that one thing – it’s how fears and phobias work – the more you focus on the thing you’re afraid of, the more afraid you become.
Self Employed Carer & Hypnotherapist Sandra Lean - Unreliable Narrator & Source (Part 13)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/24/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-13/
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What happened to SL's business? Was it a hypnotherapist/palm reader centre and did she give it up to fight for LM?
Has she ever worked in any employed positions that would provide practical experience in legal & criminal case work or is it all self-taught?
I hear she sucks seeds for gummy parrots. Have you heard that rumour?
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Sandra Lean appears to have attempted to pervert the course of justice prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Does anyone know if Sandra Lean was arrested or questioned by the police prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
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I hear she sucks seeds for gummy parrots. Have you heard that rumour?
No I hadn't. I think it is important to understand if she has fulfilled any actual work positions that qualify her to be the absolute unquestionable authority on legal matters surrounding this case and other cases - things like successful outcomes, qualitative and quantitive or is it just a 20 year old hobby?
I know Det. Forbes started a traineeship but didn't complete it. For the record, I am not legally qualified either so just my opinion and I'm not planning to write a book.
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‘Enabled by nature’ came later
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Sandra Lean - 4th December 2020
Self Employed Carer & Hypnotherapist Sandra Lean - Unreliable Narrator & Source (Part 13)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/24/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-13/
Sandra Lean claims to have been self employed between 2002 and 2008
She was defiantly working as a carer during this time period
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Sandra Lean appears to have attempted to pervert the course of justice prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Does anyone know if Sandra Lean was arrested or questioned by the police prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
Anyone?
Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell family - not the other way round
Didn’t she tell James English it was September 2003?
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No I hadn't. I think it is important to understand if she has fulfilled any actual work positions that qualify her to be the absolute unquestionable authority on legal matters surrounding this case and other cases - things like successful outcomes, qualitative and quantitive or is it just a 20 year old hobby?
I know Det. Forbes started a traineeship but didn't complete it. For the record, I am not legally qualified either so just my opinion and I'm not planning to write a book.
Why is it important to understand?
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Sandra Lean claims to have been self employed between 2002 and 2008
She was defiantly working as a carer during this time period
I know many self employed carers and some who even run little businesses on the side. Your point?
I see you’ve given up on the prawn nonsense.
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Anyone?
Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell family - not the other way round
Didn’t she tell James English it was September 2003?
Con artist Sandra Lean told James English she met the Mitchell’s in September 2003
Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/
What Sandra didn’t tell James English was that it was Sandra who approached the Mitchell’s - not the other way round
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Why is it important to understand?
I don't know the answer and would like to know if SL has had employment in legal or criminal positions that would support her authorative stance - do you know?
There's nothing wrong with being a keen amateur but there seems to be a fair bit of status anxiety when it comes to SL. More like LM's campaign manager than anything else.
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self employed carer
Why did self employed carer Sandra Lean approach the Mitchell’s ?
Why not the police or the Jones family?
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I don't know the answer and would like to know if SL has had employment in legal or criminal positions that would support her authorative stance - do you know?
There's nothing wrong with being a keen amateur but there seems to be a fair bit of status anxiety when it comes to SL. More like LM's campaign manager than anything else.
Does she have an authoritative stance? I don’t seem to have picked up on that. For me her ‘authority’ derives from her vast knowledge of this case…knowledge that, outwith the prosecution and defence legal teams, no one has. You do seem rather more interested in the attention Dr Lean receives and less about the case itself. Does she make you feel insecure?
‘Status anxiety’….oh do please stop it with the cod psychology.
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Why did self employed carer Sandra Lean approach the Mitchell’s ?
Why not the police or the Jones family?
She didn’t. The Mitchells approached her.
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She didn’t. The Mitchells approached her.
No
Self employed carer Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s
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No
Self employed carer Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s
Nope.
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Nope.
It’s well known Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s
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It’s well known Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s
By who?
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By who?
By people who knew Sandra Lean at the time
By people Sandra Lean told
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/01/30/through-the-wall-on-the-case-against-luke-mitchell-podcast-by-manipulative-liar-narcissistic-abuser-deluded-fantasist-innocence-fraud-pusher-naomi-channel/
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I don't know the answer and would like to know if SL has had employment in legal or criminal positions that would support her authorative stance - do you know?
I always thought the DWP forced her to clean the local COOP after folk stop buying her candles in Nitten, the same place Corrine was a regular..
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I always thought the DWP forced her to clean the local COOP after folk stop buying her candles in Nitten, the same place Corrine was a regular..
Not as if the WAP was bringing in a fortune? Who did run away with the money, that charity that never declared nowt.
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Has Sandra Lean ever disclosed how many witnesses she knew (before the trial) who gave evidence against killer Luke Mitchell ?
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I always thought the DWP forced her to clean the local COOP after folk stop buying her candles in Nitten, the same place Corrine was a regular..
What was the name of the place in nitten do you recall ?
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What was the name of the place in nitten do you recall ?
I used to drive past it. But nope, not my thing. Maybe Sandra come out of her echo chamber and tell us one day. But we do know that Corrine was a regular customer before the murder.
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Anyway, what's the latest. Forbes still offering folk a polygraph with his 10k kitty (hahahahaha) Did he offer SM one?
A grifter celeb criminologist jumping on the bandwagon to sell some tickets.
Val Young, still trolling YouTube.
Aye iv'e no missed much.
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Val Young, still trolling YouTube.
Aye iv'e no missed much.
Val Young and her sister - how did these two get involved in the fraud?
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But we do know that Corrine was a regular customer before the murder.
Sandra Lean was a self employed carer - what year did she have the place in nitten?
And what qualifications did she have in caring back in 2003/04? I don’t recall her ever stating she had any qualifications in this field?
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Val Young and her sister - how did these two get involved in the fraud?
Couple oh numpties that watch daytime/night time TV, that need something (local) to cling onto.
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Sandra Lean was a self employed carer - what year did she have the place in nitten?
And what qualifications did she have in caring back in 2003/04? I don’t recall her ever stating she had any qualifications in this field?
Who did she care for? Not that i give a $hit. But there is no doubt Corrine knew Sandra before the murder, she was a regular customer in that shop.
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Sandra Lean was a self employed carer - what year did she have the place in nitten?
And what qualifications did she have in caring back in 2003/04? I don’t recall her ever stating she had any qualifications in this field?
Sandra Lean
author and researcher
2003 – Present (14 years)
"For ten years, I have researched and written about cases of wrongful conviction and factual innocence. I have tried to assist a number of people over the years, and campaign, write articles, etc, wherever I am able to help. I obtained a Specialist Paralegal Qualification in Criminal Law in 2010, via Criminal Law Training and Strathclyde University.
I completed a PhD in 2012, the thesis title being "Hidden in Plain View," which studied the factors which lead to wrongful convictions, and why ordinary people are completely unaware of these factors.
I am currently writing two further books, as follow-ups to my first book, "No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice" which was published by Checkpoint Press, Ireland in 2008.
In my "other life," I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.
Beginning with the murder of Jodi Jones in 2003, and the subsequent conviction of her boyfriend Luke Mitchell in 2005, I have studied and written about wrongful convictions of factualy innocent individuals in the UK ever since. I currently support a number of campaigns fighting injustice. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandra-lean-4b499a43
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Sandra Lean was a self employed carer yet she omitted this from her LinkedIn bio
There’s a reason for this
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I wanna know if paranoid Forbes offered SM a polygraph?
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Sandra Lean was a self employed carer - what year did she have the place in nitten?
And what qualifications did she have in caring back in 2003/04? I don’t recall her ever stating she had any qualifications in this field?
So it turns out Dr Lean did have a business and you don’t need qualifications to be a carer. Often you do need experience but most care agencies will give on the job training. If your self employed all you need is insurance.
After reading a few sentences of your blog I think that you are a very lucky individual that no one has ever taken court action against you. They will though and perhaps soon.
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I wanna know if paranoid Forbes offered SM a polygraph?
Why? I thought Shane told the truth, eventually, in court. Why would he need to?
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But there is no doubt Corrine knew Sandra before the murder, she was a regular customer in that shop.
Was the shop open when Corinne Mitchell wasn’t at work?
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But there is no doubt Corrine knew Sandra before the murder, she was a regular customer in that shop.
Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s after killer Luke Mitchell committed his murder
It wasn’t the other way round
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Was the shop open when Corinne Mitchell wasn’t at work?
Regular haunt, tea and tarot reading, while mother took the reins at the caravan (dodgy) park. Slipped a note though the letterbox, my er$e.
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After reading a few sentences of your blog I think that you are a very lucky individual that no one has ever taken court action against you. They will though and perhaps soon.
I would love to see any one of them on the stand defending the guilty killers they champion
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Regular haunt, tea and tarot reading, while mother took the reins at the caravan (dodgy) park. Slipped a note though the letterbox, my er$e.
There may have been a note through the letter box at some point by either one of them
But it was Sandra Lean who approached Corinne Mitchell and inserted herself into the investigation
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Why? I thought Shane told the truth, eventually, in court. Why would he need to?
Was he not kidnapped by the SAS, beaten to a pulp and forced to change his statement? Polygraph will reveal all. Why has he not been offered one?
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Was he not kidnapped by the SAS, beaten to a pulp and forced to change his statement? Polygraph will reveal all. Why has he not been offered one?
Kidnapped by the same SAS who stripped killer Luke Mitchell
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Sandra Lean
author and researcher
2003 – Present (14 years)
"For ten years, I have researched and written about cases of wrongful conviction and factual innocence. I have tried to assist a number of people over the years, and campaign, write articles, etc, wherever I am able to help. I obtained a Specialist Paralegal Qualification in Criminal Law in 2010, via Criminal Law Training and Strathclyde University.
I completed a PhD in 2012, the thesis title being "Hidden in Plain View," which studied the factors which lead to wrongful convictions, and why ordinary people are completely unaware of these factors.
I am currently writing two further books, as follow-ups to my first book, "No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice" which was published by Checkpoint Press, Ireland in 2008.
In my "other life," I specialise in helping people with issues of low self esteem, confidence, and the effects of bullying.
Beginning with the murder of Jodi Jones in 2003, and the subsequent conviction of her boyfriend Luke Mitchell in 2005, I have studied and written about wrongful convictions of factualy innocent individuals in the UK ever since. I currently support a number of campaigns fighting injustice. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandra-lean-4b499a43
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Sandra Lean was a self employed carer yet she omitted this from her LinkedIn bio
There’s a reason for this
Will you be talking about your experiences during your self employed caring stints in a future video Sandra Lean?
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The innocence fraud website has been contacted by lots of people in the know
Heather Retweeted
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Following Friday's update, further investigation has turned up some astonishing new information. An "update on the update" will be available at 6pm today (Sunday 16th April) - see you all there!!!
https://youtu.be/RasS4uK3WyM
3:55 pm · 16 Apr 2023
Innocence Fraud (and False Allegations) Exposed*
@InnocenceFraud
SPOILER ALERT: The 'astonishing new information' is that if you rush over to YouTube, watch, like, share, and especially comment, Sandra monetises your gullibility - but who cares about being suckered when there's a baseless conspiracy theory to confuse yourself with.
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6:45 pm · 16 Apr 2023
You wouldn’t believe the ‘updates’ the innocence fraud website has had Sandra
No ‘investigation’ required
*Innocence Fraud (and False Allegations) Exposed is not affiliated with Innocence Fraud Watch btw
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I would love to see any one of them on the stand defending the guilty killers they champion
You really don’t know how libel litigation works in the U.K. do you?
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Kidnapped by the same SAS who stripped killer Luke Mitchell
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Hahah stop it.
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You really don’t know how libel litigation works in the U.K. do you?
Go on then, tell us?
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Was he not kidnapped by the SAS, beaten to a pulp and forced to change his statement? Polygraph will reveal all. Why has he not been offered one?
Hasn’t taken a polygraph. 100% guilty then….much like [Name removed], JF and GD I expect or have they taken one and I’ve missed it?
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Go on then, tell us?
Here you go…fill your boots.
https://ukcareguide.co.uk/the-average-payout-for-defamation-of-character-in-the-uk/
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JF and GD I expect or have they taken one and I’ve missed it?
Stood under oath. All that matters ?>)()<
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There may have been a note through the letter box at some point by either one of them
But it was Sandra Lean who approached Corinne Mitchell and inserted herself into the investigation
What was it Donald Findlay called the FLO ?
“Vixen in the henhouse” ?
The Mitchell’s had their own ‘vixen in the henhouse’ didn’t they Sandra Lean
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Here you go…fill your boots.
https://ukcareguide.co.uk/the-average-payout-for-defamation-of-character-in-the-uk/
Ooooo Scary (&^&
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Ooooo Scary (&^&
Why…do you have a defamatory blog too?
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What was it Donald Findlay called the FLO ?
“Vixen in the henhouse” ?
The Mitchell’s had their own ‘vixen in the henhouse’ didn’t they Sandra Lean
‘The cunning little vixen’ hey Sandra Lean
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Why…do you have a defamatory blog too?
Cry us a loch.
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Did that pathologist Busuttil ever appear on TV again after his performance on that BBC show ‘Devils own’?
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Sandra Lean
Following Friday's update, further investigation has turned up some astonishing new information. An "update on the update" will be available at 6pm today (Sunday 16th April) - see you all there!!!
Karen Tulloch
Thanks for the update Sandra. Very interesting. I hope that your efforts are getting closer to justice in this case. Are you aware of the Adnan Syed case in the USA? It's pretty much the exact opposite of what's happening here. PROSECUTORS reviewed his conviction routinely and on discovering untested DNA and suspects that were never notified to the defence, their report said that they no longer had confidence in the conviction, it was vacated and Adnan Syed was released. When was the last time a high profile conviction was adequately reviewed and quashed in Scotland? It must be because everyone convicted on purely circumstantial evidence is guilty here 🤷♀️
Doubt Sandra Lean will tell Karen Tullock that Hae Min Lee’s killer has had his conviction reinstated
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?
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Sandra Lean
Ian N Fiona Mackenzie It's out there for all of them to report on - maybe if supporters contact individual publications and push for it to be covered, that would help???
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Dani Justice
Carol McVicar it is very hard to keep lies going and they are failing so bad right now. Times up
Sandra Lean
Carol McVicar Falling into their own traps, indeed. This was never supposed to happen - we were never supposed to find out. But they got complacent (or panicked) and started to make mistakes ... like telling us exactly who was responsible, then trying to say they couldn't tell us because he'd left the police. Ooops!!!
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?
Bump
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Kristy Porteous
What comes to your mind when you think of a FLO-Family Liasion Officer? 🤔 Tell me in the comments!
reading more of Sandra’s book and I was pretty shocked,as was she,to find out that the role of a FLO(Family Liasion Officer) is to investigate the family they are placed with?! I’d always been under the impression that it was in a supportive role and to help them understand how an investigation works in regards to whatever incident they have experienced, Sandra points out she thought it was also to protect them against media intrusion. I hadn’t thought of that but thought that would definitely come into it...
The fact the FLO gave evidence in court against Luke made me feel some type of way, like that was another way his trust was broken and things twisted by someone else who was meant to have his best interests at heart?! and so were the Jones being ‘investigated’ too? It’d be interesting to know what their FLOs observed!! There’s loads they could have missed!Had they been on the ball there’s a pretty good chance that they could have unravelled this case in the correct way!!Something else to keep in mind is that the FLO should have had a colleague there(to witness what/if anything was done/said) anytime she was alone with the Mitchell’s but the FLO visited Luke,Corinne and Shane alone from the evening of the 1st July so nothing was corroborated but a sketch the FLO asked Luke to draw,of the way jodi would have walked, was allowed to be used in court against Luke even though his defence argued it shouldn’t be. The defence went as far as to call the FLO ‘a vixen in the henhouse’, when DF said to her ‘Luke was being viewed differently from the word go.And with that the police operation was a botch up from the word go.’ And she agreed!!! That just says it all to me!
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you don’t need qualifications to be a carer.
Wouldn’t she have needed a level 3 diploma in health and social care?
And if she was self employed what name did she use with HMRC ?
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Kristy Porteous
What comes to your mind when you think of a FLO-Family Liasion Officer? 🤔 Tell me in the comments!
reading more of Sandra’s book and I was pretty shocked,as was she,to find out that the role of a FLO(Family Liasion Officer) is to investigate the family they are placed with?! I’d always been under the impression that it was in a supportive role and to help them understand how an investigation works in regards to whatever incident they have experienced, Sandra points out she thought it was also to protect them against media intrusion. I hadn’t thought of that but thought that would definitely come into it...
The fact the FLO gave evidence in court against Luke made me feel some type of way, like that was another way his trust was broken and things twisted by someone else who was meant to have his best interests at heart?! and so were the Jones being ‘investigated’ too? It’d be interesting to know what their FLOs observed!! There’s loads they could have missed!Had they been on the ball there’s a pretty good chance that they could have unravelled this case in the correct way!!Something else to keep in mind is that the FLO should have had a colleague there(to witness what/if anything was done/said) anytime she was alone with the Mitchell’s but the FLO visited Luke,Corinne and Shane alone from the evening of the 1st July so nothing was corroborated but a sketch the FLO asked Luke to draw,of the way jodi would have walked, was allowed to be used in court against Luke even though his defence argued it shouldn’t be. The defence went as far as to call the FLO ‘a vixen in the henhouse’, when DF said to her ‘Luke was being viewed differently from the word go.And with that the police operation was a botch up from the word go.’ And she agreed!!! That just says it all to me!
He wasn’t though was he
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There was a FLO investigating the Jones family also
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?
“Very naughty - no” your own words Sandra Lean
Why have you sat on this for 20 years ?
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?
Why did you think your phone was ‘bugged’ and the ‘police following’ you back when you were a self employed carer in 2003/04 Sandra Lean ?
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Why did you think your phone was ‘tapped’ and the ‘police following’ you back when you were a self employed carer in 2003/04 Sandra Lean ?
And were you pulled over in your car in 2003/04 when you were working as a self employed carer Sandra Lean?
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And were you pulled over in your car in 2003/04 when you were working as a self employed carer Sandra Lean?
I cannot find anything in your book on your phone being tapped/bugged Sandra?
Only phone tapping appears to be with your nonsense on shaping the families ‘recall’
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“A phone tap was set up on Judith’s phone, to record whatever Corinne said to her. It is hardly surprising that Jodi’s family was re-evaluating every tiny word and action involving Luke and his mother. The police investigators had seventeen months to shape the recall of Jodi’s family members and the development of particular narratives,
Are you aware of your projections Sandra Lean?
in direct contrast to the earliest information, demonstrates just how effectively they did so. It also explains how the family stories came to be so far removed from their original accounts.(P.57 IB)
It demonstrates no such thing Sandra
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
So why did you lie by omission and not include the fact you were a self employed carer around the time of killer Luke Mitchell’s murder Sandra Lean ?
I cannot find anything in your book about you being a self employed carer around that time Sandra Lean?
Why would you leave that out?
Did Peter Hill know what you did Sandra?
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No
Self employed carer Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell’s
Nope.
Sandra Lean approached the Mitchell family !
It didn’t happen the other way around
Wonder what year they decided between them to pretend Corinne put a note through Sandra’s door - as opposed to Sandra approaching them first
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Why bother?
Becoming involved in this work was, to me, as natural as breathing –.(p.17 IB)
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It’s not funny what you do Sandra Lean but I can believe you’ve spent a lifetime grifting
I saw a wrong and knew I had to do whatever I could to help put it right
This is interesting - especially given you know you haven’t been honest from the very start
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’In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life, it happened. The brutal murder of a fourteen-year-old girl, just 500 yards from the school my elder daughter attended. We lived in a small village, a satellite in a three-mile radius around the town of Dalkeith, Midlothian. Village and small town life revolves around gossip and inward-looking concerns and our area was no different. ~ Sandra Lean (p.17 IB)
Are you sure this wasn’t written by Michelle Diskin Bates ghost writer Sandra?
Where does the self employed carer stuff fit in (‘Cos it’s relevant) and why did you omit it?
And did you have any previous training/experience in this field ?
If in 2003 you were ‘happily running’ your own business - when did it go down the swannee?
Did ‘life feel good’ when your eldest daughter was living with her father?
Those ‘small town life involves inward-looking concerns’ you refer to - what exactly did you mean ?
And why did you omit the fact you were a self employed carer?
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What month and year did you first approach the Mitchell’s Sandra?
Because the Scotsman gave the impression it was only a few months
Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)
‘The 2007 Scotsman article included a comment about Sandra Lean where it stated Sandra had spent ‘months researching the case’.
Read here for some context 👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/
Then a few months after the Scotsman article Colin Bowman stated of violent and psychologically unstable killer Luke Mitchell;
“There is no proven history of psychological instability or violence”
James English then asked you in 2019:
“So say the first time months before he got his sentence he got charged
Were you around then, or was it after when he went to prison?“
And when you replied to James you stuttered Sandra;
“No I.. I (sic) was involved from September 2003, so ten weeks after the murder”
Why did you stutter ?
And are you 100% certain it was September 2003 when you first approached the Mitchell’s?
Or could you have had a ‘recall’ issue going on maybe?
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and 2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
Will you be doing another video update Sandra to clarify the month and year you first approached the Mitchell’s and why you omitted the fact you were a self employed carer?
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Flipping heck Sandra
Except from IB (p.17-18)
‘The murder of Jodi Jones sent shock waves crashing through a number of interlinked, interdependent small communities encircling Dalkeith. The place was awash with rumour and horror stories. From the moment the news broke, another instant and insidious piece of information began to circulate. The girl’s 14-year-old boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, was the murderer.
As days turned to weeks and no arrest was made, hysteria turned to hostility and quickly hardened into hatred. The boy was a brutal killer, a weirdo, everyone knew it. Why hadn’t they arrested the little b........ yet? Cocky little so and so was walking around as if butter wouldn’t melt....
The original discomfort I felt at the speed of the local condemnation of the boyfriend grew rapidly into a sense of alarm. Everything I saw, heard and read caused me to question the entire investigation, but for vastly different reasons to those I heard in the local stores and bus sheters.
Bus shelter?
Did you catch the bus to work when you were a self employed carer?
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‘I became intimately involved in the case when Luke’s mother, whom I had never met, put a note through the door of the Natural Health Centre I ran, saying she had heard about my approach to the case and wondered if I could help her family. ~ Sandra Lean (p.17 IB)
September 2003?
You sure Sandra?
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I’ve literally just read this for the first time
This was ‘naughty - no’ Sandra (Your words)
‘Over the next four years, I studied everything I could find, often sitting up until late into the night, reading case papers, websites, legal documents and articles. I made contact with others claiming wrongful conviction and studied their campaigns to have their cases re-examined. Layer by layer, my belief, trust and confidence in the CJS evaporated. This was something so much bigger and so far removed from anything I had ever experienced that, for the first time, I was truly afraid.
If this had all been going on for all these years and I had been utterly oblivious to it, what else might I uncover if I kept looking? But it was too late – already, I could not un-know what I knew and I could not walk away. A wrong was being done – a humungous, unbelievable, inexplicable wrong, which was repeating itself up and down the country, crushing family after family – it was a wrong that had to be put right and, I believed, anyone who could do anything to help had to do what- ever they could.
The piles and piles of documents I amassed in my search for answers somehow turned themselves into a book; No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice, which highlighted seven cases of convictions where the evidence either clearly pointed to someone else or was so flimsy that it would not have passed a “slight doubt” test, far less a “beyond reasonable doubt” standard. ~ Sandra Lean (IB p.19-20)
Why did you choose to publish this in 2018 and not highlight the fact killer Simon Hall, who you wrote about in No Smoke, had admitted his guilty and was actually, factually guilty all along?
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Sandra Lean
Dani Justice Two things I was taught growing up - (1) the truth will always out, so better just to tell it from the beginning and (2) if you're gonna lie, you need to have a good memory.
Obviously, whoever wrote the letter on March 31st FORGOT they'd already told us who was responsible, way back in November!!!
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And now I’ve just read this
‘Even laying aside questions of guilt or innocence (as they are under- stood in layman’s terms) in these cases, it would have been clear to a five-year-old child that these convictions were not safe, in the legal context.
~ Sandra Lean (IB p.23)
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Flipping heck
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Sandra
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Nicolas I’m not sure what it matters if Sandra said she was a carer back then or not. Can you clarify what the issue is here if she was?
Also Sandra has said a few times how she got in contact, im sure Luke mum had heard Sandra supported Luke and was not convinced he was guilty so got in touch. But again not sure what difference that makes to Luke’s case?
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Nicolas I’m not sure what it matters if Sandra said she was a carer back then or not. Can you clarify what the issue is here if she was?
Not at the mo John - all will be revealed though
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Also Sandra has said a few times how she got in contact, im sure Luke mum had heard Sandra supported Luke and was not convinced he was guilty so got in touch. But again not sure what difference that makes to Luke’s case?
I’m aware of what Sandra has told those people she is duping about ‘contact’
I am also aware Sandra has lied about this
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Ana Azaria
Gary Peden Yes, they never gave any reason for the time being so specific - other than that it was the only time that Luke didn't have an alibi (his mum got home from work around 5.15pm). 5.15pm is the time that the moped was seen at the v break. If the suggestion was that Luke commited the murder after the moped boys left (they couldn't say how long they'd stayed), then that makes the time frame even shorter and even less possible for it to have been Luke.
They did - phone records
The moped wasn’t seen at the V in the wall at 5:15pm
If a witness claimed this - they were wrong or lying
Leonard Kelly said he heard the moped in the background - ergo not near the wall when he cycled through on his bike
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Does she have an authoritative stance? I don’t seem to have picked up on that. For me her ‘authority’ derives from her vast knowledge of this case…knowledge that, outwith the prosecution and defence legal teams, no one has. You do seem rather more interested in the attention Dr Lean receives and less about the case itself. Does she make you feel insecure?
‘Status anxiety’….oh do please stop it with the cod psychology.
Why would I feel insecure given SL's track record of 0% successful outcomes in her cases? She may have a vast knowledge of the case but she has used this to hound the victim's family and various innocent others by implicating them in a child's murder and whipping up attention on social media for her own interests/ego.
Facts, not psychology, cod or otherwise.
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Why would I feel insecure given SL's track record of 0% successful outcomes in her cases? She may have a vast knowledge of the case but she has used this to hound the victim's family and various innocent others by implicating them in a child's murder and whipping up attention on social media for her own interests/ego.
Facts, not psychology, cod or otherwise.
Quite. Most conspiracy theorists worth their salt have vast knowledge of the events they claim never happened or happened differently to the accepted narrative, eg 9/11, the Holocaust, climate change etc, it’s just that they cherry pick from their vast knowledge to suit their agenda and ignore inconvenient truths.
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She may have a vast knowledge of the case
Sandra Lean was working as a self employed carer and did not attend killer Luke Mitchell’s 42 day trial
If she has any ‘vast knowledge’ it’s related to innocence fraud tactics, not the 42 days worth of facts and evidence that convicted the killer
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She may have a vast knowledge of the case but she has used this to hound the victim's family and various innocent others by implicating them in a child's murder and whipping up attention on social media for her own interests/ego.
What we’ve seen Sandra Lean do is only the half of it
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Sandra Lean
Chief Constable Iain Livingstone talking about events in 2003, while he was with Lothian and Borders Police.
Sam Poling says, "You were [demoted] and suspended, am I right?
His response? No, you're not right - I was suspended THEN [demoted].
So she WAS right - he was merely quibbling about the order of events.
Sandra Lean
"The public wants a strong, professional leader with integrity in their chief constable. Is that you?"
Surely the ONLY answer to that question should have been "yes."
Sandra Lean
Danielle Bbarclay Did you hear his answer???? I think I could...eh...discharge the responsibilities of the job ... one of my main strengths is ...." Nobody asked if he could "discharge" anything, or what his strengths were - he was asked, was he a strong, professional leader with integrity. Straightforward question, should have had a straightforward answer!!!!
Danielle Bbarclay
Sandra Lean yup! Michael shouted "It's a yes...why are you stuttering. ..it should be yes" aaaaahhaaaaha. It's not funny but can't help be so shocked at state of that response
Sandra Lean
Danielle Bbarclay We'll give you a clue, Iain, it starts with a Y and ends with ES - jeez, how difficult can it be???
Iain Livingstone didn’t convict sadistic killer Luke Mitchell Sandra
Events around 2003/04
What were you up to Sandra?
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Why would I feel insecure given SL's track record of 0% successful outcomes in her cases? She may have a vast knowledge of the case but she has used this to hound the victim's family and various innocent others by implicating them in a child's murder and whipping up attention on social media for her own interests/ego.
Facts, not psychology, cod or otherwise.
Yep…insecure.
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To my dad, Sandy King.
and to Skooby, Chi, Caz and Simon,
for helping me find the strength and courage to fly.
‘Skooby’ and ‘Chi’ are her daughters - ‘Caz’ is/was(?) a friend and according to Sandra Lean - she thought ‘Simon’ - one of her former partners - to be a ‘psychopath’
Caz is/was Carol - former sister in law = Carol Wyse
Sandra Lean had an affair with her first husbands (Carol’s brother) best friend - who she went on to marry
So were any of the alleged events Sandra Lean has referred to over the years, linked back to people finding out about her cheating on her first husband?
“I walked out of a local shop and someone spat in my face. Another spat on my jacket. ~ Sandra Lean (p.21 IB)
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Yep…insecure.
You are ignoring this user.
You can keep supporting the beast but at least I won't see it from now on.
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Caz is/was Carol - former sister in law = Carol Wyse
Sandra Lean had an affair with her first husbands (Carol’s brother) best friend - who she went on to marry
So were any of the alleged events Sandra Lean has referred to over the years, linked back to people finding out about her cheating on her first husband?
“I walked out of a local shop and someone spat in my face. Another spat on my jacket. ~ Sandra Lean (p.21 IB)
At least she didn’t say she loved her husband AFTER she found out that he was the murderer of of an elderly woman.
That’s low.
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“If I’d been successful in my campaigning and advocacy, Luke Mitchell would have been freed. If there had been the slightest suspicion in my mind that he could have done to Jodi what was done to her, why on earth would I want him free in the very community where my children lived their lives?
In early 2014 you said you’d been duped Sandra - by sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and his ‘alcoholic’ mother Corinne Mitchell !
And some mothers choose to put their own needs before their children’s Sandra
What was your mother like?
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At least she didn’t say she loved her husband AFTER she found out that he was the murderer of of an elderly woman.
That’s low.
I don’t care what you think John
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At least she didn’t say she loved her husband AFTER she found out that he was the murderer of of an elderly woman.
That’s low.
Faithlilly, you are busting a gut trying to get a convicted murderer of a young girl released from prison. I consider that pretty low, not to mention morally bankrupt.
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I don’t care what you think John
John? Isn’t Bullseye John?
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Sandra Lean 23 hrs ago
Lorna McGraw I know. I couldn't believe the answer was right there in front of me the whole time, I just hadn't noticed it because I was so busy trying to figure out the arguments about holding them accountable, getting the samples released, etc.
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“The publication of the book brought with it a new and deeply depressing experience. Day after day, I would receive email messages from people desperately searching for help. People whose loved ones had just been convicted, others who were still trying, years later, to understand how this could have happened to them – they were just ordinary, everyday families when their lives were suddenly catapulted into a living hell. ~ Sandra Lean (p.22 IB - 2018)
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Stephanie Bon, Lynne, Phil and Shaun Hall can hardly be described as ‘ordinary’ people Sandra
They all lied and manipulated anyone who would listen to them and enabled an actually, factually guilty killers innocence fraud scam - as did you Sandra
The Truth Behind Killer Simon Hall & His Enablers #InnocenceFraud Phenomenon Scam
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
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John? Isn’t Bullseye John?
John, Sandra or one of Sandra’s daughters. Think I’ve had a few others too
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“The publication of the book brought with it a new and deeply depressing experience. Day after day, I would receive email messages from people desperately searching for help. People whose loved ones had just been convicted, others who were still trying, years later, to understand how this could have happened to them – they were just ordinary, everyday families when their lives were suddenly catapulted into a living hell. ~ Sandra Lean (p.22 IB - 2018)
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Stephanie Bon, Lynne, Phil and Shaun Hall can hardly be described as ‘ordinary’ people Sandra
They all lied and manipulated anyone who would listen to them and enabled an actually, factually guilty killers innocence fraud scam - as did you Sandra
The Truth Behind Killer Simon Hall & His Enablers #InnocenceFraud Phenomenon Scam
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
This is you, isn’t it?
“ Following his death his distraught wife Stephanie said: 'I am heartbroken.
'He meant everything to me. He was the love of my life and I will never get over him.
'There are many victims in this. Simon was a tormented soul. I am not ashamed of him and don't want people to think badly of him.”
I’m not sure any right minded person would have said this of a cold blooded killer.
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This is you, isn’t it?
“ Following his death his distraught wife Stephanie said: 'I am heartbroken.
'He meant everything to me. He was the love of my life and I will never get over him.
'There are many victims in this. Simon was a tormented soul. I am not ashamed of him and don't want people to think badly of him.”
I’m not sure any right minded person would have said this of a cold blooded killer.
What a vile comment Faithlilly, it shows very little understanding or kindness. Whatever happened to “be kind”?
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I’m not sure any right minded person would have said this of a cold blooded killer.
There’s your answer John
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Lean is now claiming the gloves are off/no holds barred in her desperate attempt to stay relevant. As someone has mentioned previously, the authorities will be monitoring the campaign and these lunatic attacks on the Jones family will only impact on LM's future jail time. I don't see him ever getting out, thankfully.
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There’s your answer John
Indeed.
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Lean is now claiming the gloves are off/no holds barred in her desperate attempt to stay relevant.
That’s one of her go to phrases
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“The publication of the book brought with it a new and deeply depressing experience. Day after day, I would receive email messages from people desperately searching for help. People whose loved ones had just been convicted, others who were still trying, years later, to understand how this could have happened to them – they were just ordinary, everyday families when their lives were suddenly catapulted into a living hell. ~ Sandra Lean (p.22 IB - 2018)
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Stephanie Bon, Lynne, Phil and Shaun Hall can hardly be described as ‘ordinary’ people Sandra
They all lied and manipulated anyone who would listen to them and enabled an actually, factually guilty killers innocence fraud scam - as did you Sandra
The Truth Behind Killer Simon Hall & His Enablers #InnocenceFraud Phenomenon Scam
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/the-truth-behind-killer-simon-hall-and-his-enablers-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-scam-%ef%b8%8f/
You are one of those enablers. You hardly have room to talk Stephanie.
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Angeline - Feb 05, 2010#75
’Foolsgold and Reg, Ive been away for a bit, so Ill respond to your posts from Feb 1st in order (sorry for the delay):
Male number two was identified 3 years after the murder, but inexplicably dropped as a suspect, even though his story was demonstrably dishonest.
Male number one, as far as I know, was not a convicted sex offender he was a drug addict, and had psychological issues, but no convictions for sex offences, unless I have missed this somewhere.
Reporters in Scotland are expressly forbidden to speak with prisoners, or to publish anything told to them by prisoners. The rules in England are different.
Lukes pride was dented he thought hed been stood up (remember, he was just 14). He knew he would see Jodi in school the following day, so went off with his friends to pass the evening.
Jodi regularly used the path alone, and with people other than Luke. There is an opening in the wall which is some yards from the entrance which opens onto the road this opening was a meeting place for many of the group which both Jodi and Luke were associated with and Jodi and the others would enter from the road unescorted to meet the others at the gap.
The urinating in bottles only began after Jodi died. It was considered to be a form of OCD brought about by the shock of loss (holding on to everything for fear of losing something important.)
Leonard Kelly and Stephen Kelly are not related, so far as I have been able to ascertain.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was urinating in bottles prior to his murder
And Sandra lean knew damn well Steven Kelly and Leonard Kelly were not related!
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Sandra Lean 23 hrs ago
Lorna McGraw I know. I couldn't believe the answer was right there in front of me the whole time, I just hadn't noticed it because I was so busy trying to figure out the arguments about holding them accountable, getting the samples released, etc.
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When does con artist Sandra Lean plan to ‘attack’ the wealth of circumstantial evidence that killer Luke Mitchell’s convictions rest on?
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Sandra Lean did NOT have a note put through her door by Corinne Mitchell in September 2003
Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/
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This is you, isn’t it?
“ Following his death his distraught wife Stephanie said: 'I am heartbroken.
'He meant everything to me. He was the love of my life and I will never get over him.
'There are many victims in this. Simon was a tormented soul. I am not ashamed of him and don't want people to think badly of him.”
I’m not sure any right minded person would have said this of a cold blooded killer.
I agree. Instead she spends all her time attacking other people because of her killer husband. It's a sad existence. It seems that just because her husband was guilty it means that everyone else is too. She clearly never got over him.
Her life is dedicated to trolling Luke, Sandra, Scott and anyone who claims to have been a victim of a miscarriage of justice. Stephanie? How is what your husband did all these people’s faults? Why does your venomous hatred for Sandra automatically make Luke guilty in your eyes?
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Sandra Lean did NOT have a note put through her door by Corinne Mitchell in September 2003
Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/26/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-23/
How would you know? Did you work in her natural health center at the time. Perhaps you were the local postie? (&^& *%87
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It does seem a shame and a waste for someone to spend so much time and effort in trying to discredit Sandra and Scott and the Luke Mitchell case (and now Prof Wilson) only for it to fail. These past 2 years or so Sandra and Scott have done phenomenal job gaining support and getting the word out there on Luke. People’s minds are being changed and notable people like Prof Wilson are taking notice and standing up to agree that Luke may well have suffered a miscarriage of justice, writing further articles and even more people taking notice.
Simon hall was a liar and a murder but that does it mean Luke is. Maybe now with all the attention Sandra has managed to gain things might start to move in the right direction. I take my hat off to that woman for all her hard work and dedication, ignoring all the trolling and abuse she puts up with and getting on with it.
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I take my hat off to that woman for all her hard work and dedication, ignoring all the trolling and abuse she puts up with and getting on with it.
Well said, Nic does a fantastic job laughing at trolls like you, and exposing these charlatans.
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Well said, Nic does a fantastic job laughing at trolls like you, and exposing these charlatans.
If you say so 8((()*/
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How would you know? Did you work in her natural health center at the time. Perhaps you were the local postie? (&^& *%87
It’s well known in Dalkeith that Sandra Lean told people she approached Corinne Mitchell - not the other way round
Ask Carol Wyse
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It’s well known in Dalkeith that Sandra Lean told people she approached Corinne Mitchell - not the other way round
Ask Carol Wyse
You don’t live in Dalkeith, do you? Or even in Scotland.
Who is Carol Wyse?
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It’s well known in Dalkeith that Sandra Lean told people she approached Corinne Mitchell - not the other way round
Ask Carol Wyse
An expert on Dalkeith goings on now too. Is there anything you don't know? Go on Stephanie enlighten us, who is Carol Wyse? What makes her credible? Does SHE have a good vibe? (&^& *%87
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An expert on Dalkeith goings on now too. Is there anything you don't know?
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Lots of people from Dalkeith (and other areas) have been coming forward for some time with facts and information that have never seen the light day in any of charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narratives
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who is Carol Wyse?
‘Caz’ from Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud book ‘No Smoke’
Caz gave Sandra the ‘strength & courage to fly’ - allegedly - and wouldn’t let Sandra ‘off the hook’
‘Not even for a minute’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/copy-of-acknowledgements-section-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-no-smoke/
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Caz gave Sandra the ‘strength & courage to fly’
Possibly meaning from Caz’s brother
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UPDATED
30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Lots of people from Dalkeith (and other areas) have been coming forward for some time with facts and information that have never seen the light day in any of charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narratives
Coming forward? To who?
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** In Memory of Leonard Kelly ** (Part 179)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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Lots of people from Dalkeith (and other areas) have been coming forward for some time with facts and information that have never seen the light day in any of charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narratives
I’m sure Sandra said something similar that people were coming forward with lots of stuff not used at trial either. Like with how they were ignored by the police or intimidated by them. How parents were told if their kids support Luke the people in the village would not be happy, in other words making them feel unsafe and intimidated. All seems to come back to the police in this case. They really did mess up.
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I’m sure Sandra said something similar that people were coming forward with lots of stuff not used at trial either. Like with how they were ignored by the police or intimidated by them. How parents were told if their kids support Luke the people in the village would not be happy, in other words making them feel unsafe and intimidated. All seems to come back to the police in this case. They really did mess up.
I’m not referring to gossip and innuendo, I’m referring to evidence given by various witnesses during the trial, many of whom weren’t named by the media or in con artist Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
Remember Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial!
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I’m not referring to gossip and innuendo, I’m referring to evidence given by various witnesses during the trial, many of whom weren’t named by the media or in con artist Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
Remember Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial!
So is Sandra, she is referring to statements never used and the people giving the statement coming forward to say how they were treated by police I believe. How come your info is honest and trustworthy but Sandra’s is gossip and innuendo? Why are we to take your word but not Sandra’s. Given the choice of believing you or Sandra I know who I think is more trustworthy. But that’s my opinion.
Have these people ‘came forward ‘ to you? Who have they came forward too and why did they feel the need. Do you have sources for this. Incase you ask mine are all from Sandra updates and videos which I’m sure is not good enough for you.
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So is Sandra, she is referring to statements never used and the people giving the statement coming forward to say how they were treated by police I believe.
What like the fantasist who pretended they saw [Name removed] following his sister that night 🙄
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What like the fantasist who pretended they saw [Name removed] following his sister that night 🙄
Was there not 2 different independent witnesses that said that and also provided a statement to police? But they are fantasists in your opinion? They might be mistaken, same as AB and LW could have been but I would not call them fantasists.
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I’m not referring to gossip and innuendo, I’m referring to evidence given by various witnesses during the trial, many of whom weren’t named by the media or in con artist Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
Remember Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial!
And neither did you so where is your information coming from and what are you ‘sources’ motives?
Or do you, perhaps, just make it up?
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I’m not referring to gossip and innuendo, I’m referring to evidence given by various witnesses during the trial, many of whom weren’t named by the media or in con artist Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
Remember Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial!
Did you attend the 42 day trial??
It seems you are working on the same mindset as the police. Luke did it, these statements don’t fit so discard that evidence and stick with the evidence against Luke. Really explains a lot.
Who are the many witnesses that have came forward since the trial and what is it they are coming forward with. I don’t mean for you to use names. Can you provide examples and sources or is this just gossip, innuendo and fantasy also?
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‘Caz’ from Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud book ‘No Smoke’
Caz gave Sandra the ‘strength & courage to fly’ - allegedly - and wouldn’t let Sandra ‘off the hook’
‘Not even for a minute’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/copy-of-acknowledgements-section-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-no-smoke/
Coming forward to whom. Tell me Stephanie how us it you are the self appointed expert in this case?
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Jacqueline Johnston (Today)
Just seen a comment of mine & Marie Milne from this group on twitter. The tweet is making allegations about Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes. The comment made has been taken completely out of context. My twitter account has been accessed from another device and they have also obviosly accessed this group. Just for Information. Not going to be cyber bullied
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Sandra Lean
Jacqueline Johnston - this is the oldest troll trick in the book - I've got emails from a troll who admitted altering an email received from me, then putting it out on social media as if it was what I'd actually said. She ADMITTED doing that - her reason? Because she knew it would "pi$$ me off." Don't give them an ounce of you're energy!!!
Yet more bare faced lies
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Sandra Lean 23rd November 2010
I wrote a long email on October 4th, explaining the circumstances. Part of that email, however, referred to a post Stephanie had put on the Wrongly Accused forum meantime, in her belief that I was ignoring her. (Note this is only a 48 hour period.) I wrote, “I'm also interested in why you chose to use my facebook post (adapted) to post on wrongly accused. Following from Shirley's post as it does, it makes it look like one of the "un-named" individuals is me. I have never attacked you, criticised you or made any other negative comment about you anywhere - I may simply be reading too much into it, but that is certainly how it came across.”
Stephanie responded:“....yes, I did use your post on facebook on the wrongly accused, and when I did I knew you would be more annoyed over that than you are about what I am going through at the moment. And I have a couple of friends that will verify that. “
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383377.html?PHPSESSID=8iugs77lu55bue9lauct621fh4#msg383377
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Given the choice of believing you or Sandra I know who I think is more trustworthy. But that’s my opinion.
Have these people ‘came forward ‘ to you? Who have they came forward too and why did they feel the need. Do you have sources for this. Incase you ask mine are all from Sandra updates and videos which I’m sure is not good enough for you.
Regardless of who is more trustworthy, I might have given SL some credit for perseverence if she had addressed the reasons for LM's conviction instead of implicating the victim's family and friends and encouraging a witch hunt. I really can't think of anything lower than doing that and claiming it's Justice for Jodi.
Again, there is no evidence in 20 years that Lean & Co are any further forward than they first started despite the recent media commotion, and that's all it is, a commotion to deflect and divert and another year later more claims of "new evidence" etc.
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I’m not referring to gossip and innuendo, I’m referring to evidence given by various witnesses during the trial, many of whom weren’t named by the media or in con artist Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
Remember Sandra Lean did not attend the 42 day trial!
Were you at the trial? Do you have the court transcripts?
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Jacqueline Johnston (Today)
Just seen a comment of mine & Marie Milne from this group on twitter. The tweet is making allegations about Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes. The comment made has been taken completely out of context. My twitter account has been accessed from another device and they have also obviosly accessed this group. Just for Information. Not going to be cyber bullied
Sandra Lean
Jacqueline Johnston - this is the oldest troll trick in the book - I've got emails from a troll who admitted altering an email received from me, then putting it out on social media as if it was what I'd actually said. She ADMITTED doing that - her reason? Because she knew it would "pi$$ me off." Don't give them an ounce of you're energy!!!
Yet more bare faced lies
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Sandra Lean 23rd November 2010
I wrote a long email on October 4th, explaining the circumstances. Part of that email, however, referred to a post Stephanie had put on the Wrongly Accused forum meantime, in her belief that I was ignoring her. (Note this is only a 48 hour period.) I wrote, “I'm also interested in why you chose to use my facebook post (adapted) to post on wrongly accused. Following from Shirley's post as it does, it makes it look like one of the "un-named" individuals is me. I have never attacked you, criticised you or made any other negative comment about you anywhere - I may simply be reading too much into it, but that is certainly how it came across.”
Stephanie responded:“....yes, I did use your post on facebook on the wrongly accused, and when I did I knew you would be more annoyed over that than you are about what I am going through at the moment. And I have a couple of friends that will verify that. “
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383377.html?PHPSESSID=8iugs77lu55bue9lauct621fh4#msg383377
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Your word against hers. She doesn't disclose a date or email...
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Regardless of who is more trustworthy, I might have given SL some credit for perseverence if she had addressed the reasons for LM's conviction instead of implicating the victim's family and friends and encouraging a witch hunt. I really can't think of anything lower than doing that and claiming it's Justice for Jodi.
Again, there is no evidence in 20 years that Lean & Co are any further forward than they first started despite the recent media commotion, and that's all it is, a commotion to deflect and divert and another year later more claims of "new evidence" etc.
All Dr Lean has every done is point out the holes in the police investigation, holes which individuals from all sections of the criminal justice system, David Wilson being only the most recent, also have concerns about. That the questions left by the investigation may, if answered, implicate those close to the victim’s family is certainly not Dr Lean’s fault and certainly not by design.
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What has Sandra Lean said about Corinne Mitchell bleaching her house Thora Allen and does Sandra know what was said during the trial about this?
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What was David High, David Tulloch and the other lads evidence regarding the torrential downpour at 7:30pm that evening?
And where did each of the three youths say they were when the heavens opened?
When Does Con Artist Sandra Lean Plan To ‘Attack’ The Wealth Of Circumstantial Evidence That Killer Luke Mitchell’s Convictions Rest On? (Part 177)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/17/when-does-con-artist-sandra-lean-plan-to-attack-the-wealth-of-circumstantial-evidence-that-killer-luke-mitchells-convictions-rest-on-part-177/
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Con artist Sandra Lean excerpt from IB (p.181)
‘The sad reality is that, in spite of more than 12 experienced officers attending the scene between midnight and 8am the following day, Jodi’s body lay, uncovered, in the rain, throughout that whole period.
No mention about the fact of the torrential downpour of rain at 7:30pm that evening
‘But a further claim by the prosecution raised some concerning points – partial DNA profiles on other parts of the t-shirt and on Jodi’s bra, “could have been” deposited there by rainwater transfer, since the clothing was left out in the rain overnight. (IB p.101)
Again no mention of the torrential downpour at around 7:30pm
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/17/when-does-con-artist-sandra-lean-plan-to-attack-the-wealth-of-circumstantial-evidence-that-killer-luke-mitchells-convictions-rest-on-part-177/
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Sandra Lean did not attend killer Luke Mitchell’s trial because she did not want to be associated with Corinne Mitchell
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Con artist Sandra Lean excerpt from IB (p.181)
‘The sad reality is that, in spite of more than 12 experienced officers attending the scene between midnight and 8am the following day, Jodi’s body lay, uncovered, in the rain, throughout that whole period.
No mention about the fact of the torrential downpour of rain at 7:30pm that evening
‘But a further claim by the prosecution raised some concerning points – partial DNA profiles on other parts of the t-shirt and on Jodi’s bra, “could have been” deposited there by rainwater transfer, since the clothing was left out in the rain overnight.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/17/when-does-con-artist-sandra-lean-plan-to-attack-the-wealth-of-circumstantial-evidence-that-killer-luke-mitchells-convictions-rest-on-part-177/
Wasn’t Corrine supposed to be burning the parka at 7.30? If it was burning at that time and there was a downpour the parka would have been sopping wet so how could it have been dry enough to burn again at 10pm when NF smelled the smoke?
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Wasn’t Corrine supposed to be burning the parka at 7.30?
No
That’s Killer Luke Mitchell, Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
The log burner was seen alight that evening in the Mitchell’s garden by several witnesses
On the 1st July killer Luke Mitchell told the police his mother Corinne and brother Shane Mitchell had had a fire in the back garden
Both of them denied this
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t have an alibi between around 6:15pm - 7:30pm
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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If it was burning at that time and there was a downpour the parka would have been sopping wet so how could it have been dry enough to burn again at 10pm when NF smelled the smoke?
Witnesses said the log burner was alight from around 6:30pm
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-
Con artist Sandra Lean has continued to hide what Corinne Mitchell said she was doing all evening
After eating her pretend prawns Corinne may have been in the lounge on one of her enormous sofa’s, sat with an alcoholic beverage
Whilst her killer son was burning his parka jacket, balaclava and gloves etc in the garden
‘A small number of fibre traces were found, but they could not be linked to any articles of clothing or any other item connected to the case. ~ Sandra Lean (IB p.218)
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Wasn’t Corrine supposed to be burning the parka at 7.30? If it was burning at that time and there was a downpour the parka would have been sopping wet so how could it have been dry enough to burn again at 10pm when NF smelled the smoke?
Did you see the photograph of the log burner and the big lid on top of it
Facts Concerning The Log Burner (Part 70)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/09/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-70/
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Sandra Lean did not attend killer Luke Mitchell’s trial because she did not want to be associated with Corinne Mitchell
Sandra Lean was apparently saying she (Sandra) might get ‘petrol bombed’
She omits this from her innocence fraud book too
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Did you see the photograph of the log burner and the big lid on top of it
Facts Concerning The Log Burner (Part 70)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/09/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-70/
Why would CM burn pampas grass if it was overcast and rained? Surely you wait until it was dry and after such a long day at work would not be interested in gardening.
Pampas grass was a notorious symbol for swingers. I'm sure such things didn't go on at "Bedlam 203" though, although one of the other neighbours made the odd visit to check them.
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No
That’s Killer Luke Mitchell, Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud narrative
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/14/__trashed-2/
The log burner was seen alight that evening in the Mitchell’s garden by several witnesses
On the 1st July killer Luke Mitchell told the police his mother Corinne and brother Shane Mitchell had had a fire in the back garden
Both of them denied this
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t have an alibi between around 6:15pm - 7:30pm
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Absolute nonsense.
David Tulloch:
“ We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.
And.
“School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC asks the teenager: 'Where did you go then?' David replies: 'We just stayed there.”
Bit risky to ask your friend round to your house if you and your mother are destroying evidence in the garden, don’t you think?
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Why would CM burn pampas grass if it was overcast and rained? Surely you wait until it was dry and after such a long day at work would not be interested in gardening.
Pampas grass was a notorious symbol for swingers. I'm sure such things didn't go on at "Bedlam 203" though, although one of the other neighbours made the odd visit to check them.
I believe Corrine claimed to be burning pampas grass on a different day.
As to swinging wasn’t that the accusation directed at Jodi’s parents? That Jodi caught them? Or is rumour and innuendo okay as long as it’s directed at the Mitchells?
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Absolute nonsense.
David Tulloch:
“ We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.
And.
“School pal David High, 16, says that Mitchell called him at about 6.30pm on June 30 last year and invited him round.
David and two other friends set out to walk to Mitchell's home but he called them and told them to go to Newbattle Abbey College instead.
Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC asks the teenager: 'Where did you go then?' David replies: 'We just stayed there.”
Bit risky to ask your friend round to your house if you and your mother are destroying evidence in the garden, don’t you think?
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t call all three of them
He telephoned David High
Initially inviting David High to his house but needed more time to destroy evidence in his back garden so he phoned David back and told him he would meet him at Newbattle abbey college.
Wasmt killer Luke Mitchell’s hair wet when he got there?
And David Tulloch’s evidence was the four of them didn’t stay there - they went for a walk - at some point passing the Mitchell’s house in Newbattle Abbey crescent then ended up at the Tarzan swing
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Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t call all three of them
He telephoned David High
Initially inviting David High to his house but needed more time to destroy evidence in his back garden so he phoned David back and told him he would meet him at Newbattle abbey college.
Wasmt killer Luke Mitchell’s hair wet when he got there?
And David Tulloch’s evidence was the four of them didn’t stay there - they went for a walk - at some point passing the Mitchell’s house in Newbattle Abbey crescent then ended up at the Tarzan swing
I didn’t say that Luke called anyone but David High.
If Corrine and Luke had been burning clothes they couldn’t have started much before 6.30 as the boys on the bikes saw Luke on their journey back from college at around 6.20 on the Newbattle Road. Therefore the burning of the incriminating evidence would just have started when he called High. Being devilishly clever, why would he have taken the risk?
Nope….Luke’s hair wasn’t wet….you must have dreamed it.
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Nope….Luke’s hair wasn’t wet….you must have dreamed it.
Where exactly was killer Luke Mitchell when there was a torrential downpour of rain, because he didn’t have his hooded parka anymore - he’d burnt that in the back garden
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Nonsense - LK heard noises that made him stop to listen, the noises stopped. Like rustling and movement. Asked to expand on this, he still heard rustling, it did not morph in to something else. He heard rustling/movement and a strangling sound, like someone in a headlock. Not the easiest thing to describe, but the clearest thing in this, it was enough for him to stop, there was something not right about the noise, it did not sit well with him - not just simple rustling. We hear of trauma people suffer from, does one imagine there was no trauma with this man?
There’s no mention of crucial witness Leonard Kelly in IB
** In Memory Of Leonard Kelly **(Part 179)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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LK was nervous of going forward, of being in the vicinity should he become suspect. This was the pressure he felt, not actual pressure from the police.
Leonard Kelly appears to have been one of the first witnesses to contact the police
And the ‘pressure he felt’ appears to have related to him blaming himself for not looking over the wall.
Now let us expand just a little more on this search party: The dog! The claims of going up that path. Firstly that prepped and ready and onto that path by 11pm. There is not doubt just how ready he was. Here again, no deliberation, nothing, straight into that role and off he goes. Those calls. Judith tells him she is phoning the police, she tells him in the call at 10.59pm that she has called the police. This is the call that was made to the emergency services around 10.50pm. Lean has an uncovered call 6 years later made around 10.45pm. It is the same call! Times marked wrong or otherwise. Only one call to the emergency services, from Judith Jones. In those statements, to Luke that she is going to make it, and to Luke that she had made it. To her mother also. Now Lean in the book has it, that Jodi could not have been known to be missing by 10.45pm, thus the call could not have been from her, even though she gave her name!? And there is only ever one call mentioned to them pre 11 and only one call logged, not two! But the author tries to grasp at that time of 10.45pm, and those claims of not knowing Jodi was missing - Absolute BS. Judith knew her daughter was missing, immediately those words were spoken from Mitchell, that he had "not seen her" And as soon as she had spoken with her mother, that hope her daughter may be there, she was not. All prior to 10.45pm, and of course the actual time was, at around 10.50pm.
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Where exactly was killer Luke Mitchell when there was a torrential downpour of rain, because he didn’t have his hooded parka anymore - he’d burnt that in the back garden
He was at the Abbey, probably sheltering under something like the rest of his friends.
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Leonard Kelly appears to have been one of the first witnesses to contact the police
And the ‘pressure he felt’ appears to have related to him blaming himself for not looking over the wall.
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
“ Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder.
He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'
"Why did you not describe it as a strangling noise?"
Oops.
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He was at the Abbey, probably sheltering under something like the rest of his friends.
What did each of the four of them tell police about the torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm?
When Does Con Artist Sandra Lean Plan To ‘Attack’ The Wealth Of Circumstantial Evidence That Killer Luke Mitchell’s Convictions Rest On & Why Does She Omit The Torrential Downpour Of Rain At 7:30pm? (Part 177)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/17/when-does-con-artist-sandra-lean-plan-to-attack-the-wealth-of-circumstantial-evidence-that-killer-luke-mitchells-convictions-rest-on-part-177/
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“ Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder.
He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'
"Why did you not describe it as a strangling noise?"
Oops.
You’ve omitted the other witnesses
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What did each of the four of them tell police about the torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm?
When Does Con Artist Sandra Lean Plan To ‘Attack’ The Wealth Of Circumstantial Evidence That Killer Luke Mitchell’s Convictions Rest On & Why Does She Omit The Torrential Downpour Of Rain At 7:30pm? (Part 177)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/17/when-does-con-artist-sandra-lean-plan-to-attack-the-wealth-of-circumstantial-evidence-that-killer-luke-mitchells-convictions-rest-on-part-177/
That it was raining?
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You’ve omitted the other witnesses
What, the eyewitness who initially put her sighting an hour earlier? Or the eyewitnesses who recognised the youth as Luke from a newspaper article and lied in court, under oath?
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What, the eyewitness who initially put her sighting an hour earlier? Or the eyewitnesses who recognised the youth as Luke from a newspaper article and lied in court, under oath?
No
The other witnesses who the media didn’t report on who gave evidence during the killers 42 day trial and who con artist Sandra Lean has also ommitted form her innocence fraud narrative
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That it was raining?
Did killer Luke Mitchell meet with David High, David Tulloch and the other lad before it rained heavily or after? What was said during the trial about this?
Killer Luke Mitchell Disappeared From Around 6:15/20pm-7:30pm (Part 180)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/20/killer-luke-mitchell-disappeared-from-around-615-20pm-730pm-part-180/
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No
The other witnesses who the media didn’t report on who gave evidence during the killers 42 day trial and who con artist Sandra Lean has also ommitted form her innocence fraud narrative
Go on then…the floor is yours…..who are these witnesses that the media didn’t report.?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell meet with David High, David Tulloch and the other lad before it rained heavily or after? What was said during the trial about this?
Killer Luke Mitchell Disappeared From Around 6:15/20pm-7:30pm (Part 180)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/20/killer-luke-mitchell-disappeared-from-around-615-20pm-730pm-part-180/
I have already posted Tulloch’s testimony. They met up at the Abbey around 7. The downpour, according to your good self, happened at 7.30. You do the maths.
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I have already posted Tulloch’s testimony. They met up at the Abbey around 7. The downpour, according to your good self, happened at 7.30. You do the maths.
David Tullock didn’t say he met up with killer Luke Mitchell at 7:00pm - he used the word ‘they’ meaning David High & the other lad
Evidence in its entirety points to killer Luke having disappeared from around 6:15/20-7:30pm
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/20/killer-luke-mitchell-disappeared-from-around-615-20pm-730pm-part-180/
Did killer Luke arrive at Newbattle Abbey College college before or after the torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm?
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…..who are these witnesses that the media didn’t report.?
There were many
Who I won’t be naming for obvious reasons
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David Tullock didn’t say he met up with killer Luke Mitchell at 7:00pm - he used the word ‘they’ meaning David High & the other lad
Evidence in its entirety points to killer Luke having disappeared from around 6:15/20-7:30pm
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/20/killer-luke-mitchell-disappeared-from-around-615-20pm-730pm-part-180/
Did killer Luke arrive at Newbattle Abbey College college before or after the torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm?
Already posted.
“ We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about. “
He said ‘we’ not ‘they’.
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There were many
Who I won’t be naming for obvious reasons
Why not? There was no reporting restrictions so their testimony could have been reported.
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Already posted.
“ We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about. “
He said ‘we’ not ‘they’.
‘They’ went up to Newbattle Abbott college to meet him
What time did killer Luke Mitchell get there?
They were apparently is some kind of bunker at one point, then they went for a walk
Walking past the killers house in Newbattle abbey crescent
Then to the Tarzan swing
What are the timings for all these events
And what time did David High get home that night?
Did David High have an alibi?
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Why not? There was no reporting restrictions so their testimony could have been reported.
The reporters who reported on the trial appear to have protected the identity of many witnesses who gave evidence against the killer
Numerous witnesses who gave evidence during the 42 day trial were never named
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Heather Brunt (today)
Why Did Professor B Not Disclose The 15 Sperm Deposits On Jodi ?
If Luke Had Been Involved, He Would Have Had Sperm On Him and His Clothing
Did AB Hold Back Evidence From Jodi's Examination ?
Ronnie Mothersole
I don't think professor B was asked the question
Also he would not be part of the DNA testing team
The police own all actions taken on DNA testing
As it's the police that pay for the service
Also the police may request That they only want results connected to Luke Mitchell
Anything else not required That's just the way it works I am afraid
Having said that IMO there must have been 2 sets of swabs Because the crown only had circumstantial evidence
So the set in tested that Sandra has come across
Doesn't Make sense There has to be another set that was tested
The police would have been all over it
To nail Luke Mitchell
For them not to test the evidence is IMO impossible
There has to have been more than one set of swabs
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‘They’ went up to Newbattle Abbott college to meet him
What time did killer Luke Mitchell get there?
They were apparently is some kind of bunker at one point, then they went for a walk
Walking past the killers house in Newbattle abbey crescent
Then to the Tarzan swing
What are the timings for all these events
And what time did David High get home that night?
Did David High have an alibi?
Tulloch said ‘we’. The media reports said ‘we’.
That doesn’t suit your narrative…too bad. It doesn’t alter the facts.
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Does Sandra Lean work as a driver for Midlothian council?
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Does Sandra Lean work as a driver for Midlothian council?
? Will keep a look out. Bus, taxi, HGV or other private vehicle?
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? Will keep a look out. Bus, taxi, HGV or other private vehicle?
A mini bus apparently. The type that takes disabled children to school and elderly people for lunches etc
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A mini bus apparently. The type that takes disabled children to school and elderly people for lunches etc
What a worthwhile occupation.
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? Will keep a look out. Bus, taxi, HGV or other private vehicle?
Or it could be another purchase like the former post office van ‘hotel justisica’ or whatever un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton named it
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‘Caz’ from Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud book ‘No Smoke’
Caz gave Sandra the ‘strength & courage to fly’ - allegedly - and wouldn’t let Sandra ‘off the hook’
‘Not even for a minute’
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/copy-of-acknowledgements-section-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-no-smoke/
Betty ‘ for absolutely everything’ was Sandra Lean’s mother-in-law (Caz’s mother)
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Or it could be another purchase like the former post office van ‘hotel justisica’ or whatever un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton named it
She'll be busy on the 13th ferrying the bingo club up to the protest. Might even have to do two runs.
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‘They’ went up to Newbattle Abbott college to meet him
What time did killer Luke Mitchell get there?
They were apparently is some kind of bunker at one point, then they went for a walk
Walking past the killers house in Newbattle abbey crescent
Then to the Tarzan swing
What are the timings for all these events
And what time did David High get home that night?
Did David High have an alibi?
Were these friends of LM the same ones he met in a club after the murder and was high-fiving them and bragging of being a murder suspect? Did any of them keep in touch with LM after the trial? I know one of them said he felt sick that he had been used as a witness/alibi.
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Were these friends of LM the same ones he met in a club after the murder and was high-fiving them and bragging of being a murder suspect? Did any of them keep in touch with LM after the trial? I know one of them said he felt sick that he had been used as a witness/alibi.
I hear some of Luke’s friends at the time are eaten up with guilt and are angry with the police that their age and immaturity were used to help convict their friend.
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“On the day of the verdict, police barriers were erected either side of the court doors to keep back the crowds waiting outside. When Corinne and a friend emerged, they were escorted to the car by police officers, the crowd hurling abuse at them from all sides” Sandra Lean (IB p.325)
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This was 16/17 year old Gemma Chapman
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’One important thing I have discovered over the last fifteen years is that innocent, wrongly convicted individuals and their families are strongly dependent on hope to sustain them through the many battles they face in their fight for justice. In 2014, following the SCCRC conclusion in Luke’s case and my removal from the case, hope, for me, was gone.
The strength of the system, the lack of public interest and the duplicity of much of the media led me to a place where I no longer believed what I was doing was worth doing any more. I felt the pain of those families screaming into the void. My heart broke over every suicide, every death brought about by the stress and trauma, every family torn apart by the disbelief, confusion, conflicting advice and the impossible situation of life on the outside carrying on as normal when there was nothing normal left. ~ Sandra Lean (IB p.374)
‘The duplicity’ you refer to Sandra Lean was and is your own!
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More duplicity & bare faced lies from Sandra Lean (IB p.375)
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”Our discussions about the case were enlightening on both sides and I found my passion for the case re-emerging. My work colleague asked
if I’d ever considered writing a book about the case. I had! In fact, I’d written thousands of words about it over the years but had never had the time to pull all of the work together into a comprehensive account. My first attempts to do so in 2016, at this colleague’s urging, were discour- aging – the case was so wide, so sprawling, so confusing and contradictory that I doubted I’d ever manage to complete it.
Later that year, I was sent details of a case where conviction had been obtained following the removal of the Double Jeopardy protection – that a person, once tried and acquitted, could never again be tried for the same crime. The young man at the centre of the case, Matthew Hamlen,
“The realisation that things were even worse in 2016 than they had been in 2003 was all it took. I could not let all the knowledge and experience I had amassed go to waste,
Direct link https://vimeo.com/343826656
“ Sandra Lean stated in Jan 2017
Interesting case, with a number of apparent anomalies (I know nothing about this case - this is the first time I've heard anything about it.
How, though, can the prosecution claim he attempted to withdraw £200 - the pin number was wrong, so he wouldn't have even got to the point of entering an amount.
“The claimed DNA match which secured the eventual conviction in the Matthew Hamlen case, following an exoneration and a retrial, DNA which had previously returned firstly a "no match" and then a dubious "partial match," miraculously turns up a couple of years later as a full match?
“As I've said before, I know very little about this case, but alarm bells start ringing when the magic bullet of a claimed "full DNA match" turns up in such questionable circumstances.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg384314.html#msg384314
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-the-never-ending-lies-duplicity-of-charlatan-sandra-lean-her-involvement-with-sexual-deviant-murderer-matthew-hamlen-part-182/
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And yet more
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“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
www.longroadtojustice.com ~ Sandra Lean (IB p.378)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
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Ok, the property inclusive of gas bottles is that of the previous tenant. Procedure is to correspond with the tenant and ask them to dispose of such property. If they fail to comply with this then they face being billed by the landlord if having to do this for them. So, until something can be produced that says the landlord had taken on responsibility for the disposal of shed, gas bottles, and everything else, then the fault lies with the previous tenant who may actually face a fine for this?
A tenant who erects out buildings in their garden can be fined if they fail to dismantle and take the outbuildings with them - No different from that shed on rented land and everything within it, or on that land. Still a caravan that the night watchman used to use there also?
The fire was deemed to not be arson - Something ignited and caused that shed to combust all at once, indicative of leaking gas perhaps over a period of time into a contained area? Certainly the locals speak of the whole thing ablaze at once?
So, perhaps Ms Lean can give people the full run down on who was supposed to deal with the shed, caravan, gas bottles and any other property? Was CM supposed to dispose and remove this and failed, or was she being billed by the landlord for them having to arrange this? In brief, was there an agreement in place? - Then a fire destroys the lot??
Extremely lucky that NO one was hurt, not the emergency services, nor some unlucky youngsters should they have taken the notion to wander in there before it went boom? - What does one imagine would have happened then? Would it be the owner of the property or the landlord to be held liable? - Just a thought.
It’s being suggested that the land was in the name of Ruby Guetta ?
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How was Corinne Mitchell living on that land if it was owned by the council and for commercial use?
Was Corinne squatting on the land?
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Was the land on which Scott’s caravan stood on changed from commercial use to residential use?
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‘The history of this caravan is not known. The caravan was an "S.O.B." (Sale
on behalf of) caravan sold by Scott's Caravans on behalf of a customer called Mrs Horn. Corrine Mitchell, a partner in Scott's Caravans, was unable to provide further identification details or records and stated that any record relating to this transaction had been destroyed
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=f70087a6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Shane Mitchell
Shane Mitchell was apparently watching ‘gay’ pornography in his bedroom on that fateful evening
And according to killer Luke Mitchell, Shane wasn’t at home at 17:15hrs
What happened to Corinne Mitchell’s maroon frontera 4x4 after she arrived home from work?
And did Shane Mitchell go onto have a relationship with a man or a woman?
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/family-murdered-jodi-jones-hit-26764537
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One, it is utterly unimportant whether Shane is straight or gay. Two, from what I read in Sandra Lean's book, the connection to internet porn sites were a few seconds long, leaving me with the impression that these were pop-ups that were being closed.
There are phone records which strongly imply that Luke was home in the vicinity of 4 to 4:30. If Luke did not cook Shane's meal, then perhaps Jacob Marley's ghost did.
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One, it is utterly unimportant whether Shane is straight or gay. Two, from what I read in Sandra Lean's book, the connection to internet porn sites were a few seconds long, leaving me with the impression that these were pop-ups that were being closed.
There are phone records which strongly imply that Luke was home in the vicinity of 4 to 4:30. If Luke did not cook Shane's meal, then perhaps Jacob Marley's ghost did.
Hadn’t Shane admitted to be watching porn anyway?
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/family-murdered-jodi-jones-hit-26764537
About time. Also in Forbes' favourite newspaper today (Daily Record online) he is referred to as "an ex-convict who has a law degree but is not a practising solicitor" The family state: "These supporters are dangerously deluded - why won't they let her rest in peace?"
For those rushing to Forbes defence as having great knowledge of the case - having access to and reading parts of the case papers does not an expert make. This serial liar and fantasist had MK as his No.1 suspect for years and still denies saying this despite it being filmed on BBC Frontline in 2007.
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Hadn’t Shane admitted to be watching porn anyway?
My understanding is that he said that he would not have been watching porn if he had thought Luke were in the house, which is not the same thing. However, my larger point is that the police and prosecution manipulated Shane in multiple ways, as I indicated in a previous comment.
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About time.
Stories like the one in the link have appeared before, and this one provides nothing new. That the police claim that they identified the correct person is completely unsurprising. That the Jones family thinks that Luke Mitchell is guilty is also well known to anyone who has followed the case.
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My understanding is that he said that he would not have been watching porn if he had thought Luke were in the house, which is not the same thing. However, my larger point is that the police and prosecution manipulated Shane in multiple ways, as I indicated in a previous comment.
Which is another way of saying he was watching porn otherwise why even mention it
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Which is another way of saying he was watching porn otherwise why even mention it
I disagree; Shane said so in response to a question from Mr. Turnbull. One, the connections to porn sites were only a few seconds long, from what I have read. My general understanding is that Shane was obtaining parts for an automobile that he was fixing. Two, I brought up Shane Mitchell on another thread to indicate that the way that the police and prosecution treated him is one of many instances of professional...lapses...on the part of the authorities. Why Nicholas did not respond on that thread is not something that I can explain.
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My understanding is that he said that he would not have been watching porn if he had thought Luke were in the house, which is not the same thing.
Killer Luke Mitchell told police his brother Shane Mitchell wasn’t in the house at 5:15pm
So where was Shane at 5:15pm?
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Killer Luke Mitchell told police his brother Shane Mitchell wasn’t in the house at 5:15pm
So where was Shane at 5:15pm?
How would LM know where his brother was? Was it not just another lie from LM?
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About time. Also in Forbes' favourite newspaper today (Daily Record online) he is referred to as "an ex-convict who has a law degree but is not a practising solicitor" The family state: "These supporters are dangerously deluded - why won't they let her rest in peace?"
For those rushing to Forbes defence as having great knowledge of the case - having access to and reading parts of the case papers does not an expert make. This serial liar and fantasist had MK as his No.1 suspect for years and still denies saying this despite it being filmed on BBC Frontline in 2007.
How do you think Forbes got his law degree?
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Who was the man who was expelled from the court room (during the trial) - said to be the son of a ‘prominent Edinburgh defence lawyer’?
He was studying for a law degree apparently and was ‘never allowed to return to court’
Was he the same man who posted on the Gerard Keegan forum and set up a website?
Hypocrite Sandra Lean, Red Flags & Unconscionable Behaviour (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Sandra Lean: Where Did It Really All Begin & Why?- Part 18a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/29/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18a%ef%b8%8f/
Someone called themselves martinmorrowdefenceLAWYER
And someone called themselves bongo and inckuded a link to Billy Middleton and his girlfriend Sandra Leans WAP org website
bongo 27th April 2010
theres a new site about the case here it has a link to the front line documentary ad has most of the known facts of the case.
caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/background/
bongo 10th May 2010
here's a vid about the case here as well by rough justice
www.raybrook.co.uk/scotsjusticefilm.
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How was Corinne Mitchell living on that land if it was owned by the council and for commercial use?
Was Corinne squatting on the land?
Was the land still owned by Ruby Guetta ?
Was Corinne Mitchell squatting on the land?
And was the land on which Scott’s caravan stood on changed from commercial use to residential use?
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I’ve heard Sandra Lean is now scrounging security cameras
Didn’t Sandra say in 2010 she was installing security cameras?
If the ‘real killer’ is loose and Sandra is baiting them, wouldn’t cameras be a pre-requisite
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I’ve heard Sandra Lean is now scrounging security cameras
Didn’t Sandra say in 2010 she was installing security cameras?
If the ‘real killer’ is loose and Sandra is baiting them, wouldn’t cameras be a pre-requisite
Probably yet another publicity stunt. I'm sure the police are well aware of her and don't expect a Barry George situation.
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Probably yet another publicity stunt. I'm sure the police are well aware of her and don't expect a Barry George situation.
Talking about police I see Dr Lean is being encouraged to report to the police the stalking of both you and Nicholas especially in relation to the discussion below.
“Does Sandra Lean work as a driver for Midlothian council?”
“ Will keep a look out. Bus, taxi, HGV or other private vehicle?”
Personally I think it’s about time she took some action.
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It’ll be another one of her Innocence Fraud gaslighting, distraction tactics
She’s been behaving like this since at least 2008 when she lied about Steven Kelly
Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean’s Intent Was & Is To Dupe People Using The Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Tactics (Part 99)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/29/killer-luke-mitchell-guest-blog-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-intent-is-to-dupe-people-using-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon/
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Talking about police I see Dr Lean is being encouraged to report to the police the stalking of both you and Nicholas especially in relation to the discussion below.
“Does Sandra Lean work as a driver for Midlothian council?”
“ Will keep a look out. Bus, taxi, HGV or other private vehicle?”
Personally I think it’s about time she took some action.
Put a sock in it. It's a discussion forum and you've stalked and replied to almost every post I make. If Lean hadn't spent the last 20 years defending convicted killers, and in this case blaming the family, then you might have a point. As regards the post you quoted, I'd rather not get on Midlothian council transport with a conspiracy theorist at the wheel going on about 9 bars and bowie knives.
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Talking about police I see Dr Lean is being encouraged to report to the police the stalking of both you and Nicholas
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Sandra Lean
Jo Cee Yeah, it's definitely someone who's seen me, locally, in the vehicle - and up quite close, too, given some of the detail that's been posted. I'm not making any claims about who that might be - I don't know - but if they were that physically close to me, why not just come and speak to me? Instead, they sneaked off and handed the details to a faceless, nameless troll for a wee stint of cyber bullying. Absolute cowards.
Notice how she doesn’t back up her allegations with any evidence
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More Of Sandra Lean’s Repetitive Nonsense About The Time He Committed His Murder (Part 186)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/23/killer-luke-mitchell-more-of-sandra-leans-repetitive-nonsense-about-the-time-he-committed-his-murder-part-186/
Rabble Rouser & Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean’s Projections Make *Her* ‘Look Stupid’ (Part 187)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/25/killer-luke-mitchell-rabble-rouser-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-projections-make-her-look-stupid-part-187/
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Sandra Lean
Jo Cee Yeah, it's definitely someone who's seen me, locally, in the vehicle - and up quite close, too, given some of the detail that's been posted. I'm not making any claims about who that might be - I don't know - but if they were that physically close to me, why not just come and speak to me? Instead, they sneaked off and handed the details to a faceless, nameless troll for a wee stint of cyber bullying. Absolute cowards.
Liar Sandra Lean said in 2017 she didn’t know about murderer and sexual deviant Matthew Hamlen
The Never Ending Lies & Duplicity Of Charlatan Sandra Lean & Her Involvement With Sexual Deviant & Murderer Matthew Hamlen (Part 183)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-the-never-ending-lies-duplicity-of-charlatan-sandra-lean-her-involvement-with-sexual-deviant-murderer-matthew-hamlen-part-182/
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Put a sock in it. It's a discussion forum and you've stalked and replied to almost every post I make. If Lean hadn't spent the last 20 years defending convicted killers, and in this case blaming the family, then you might have a point. As regards the post you quoted, I'd rather not get on Midlothian council transport with a conspiracy theorist at the wheel going on about 9 bars and bowie knives.
As you say yourself it’s a discussion forum. Can I suggest that if you don’t want to discuss your posts then a discussion forum may not be the best place for you.
As far as I’m aware it is not against the law to defend those you feel may have been a victim of a miscarriage of justice or indeed to be a conspiracy theorist. What is against the law is to stalk, libel and intimidate those who you don’t agree with.
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How do you think Forbes got his law degree?
I’ve seen no evidence he got a law degree
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Sandra Lean
Jo Cee Yeah, it's definitely someone who's seen me, locally, in the vehicle - and up quite close, too, given some of the detail that's been posted. I'm not making any claims about who that might be - I don't know - but if they were that physically close to me, why not just come and speak to me? Instead, they sneaked off and handed the details to a faceless, nameless troll for a wee stint of cyber bullying. Absolute cowards.
Notice how she doesn’t back up her allegations with any evidence
This is almost as bad as the ‘faceless, nameless’ fantasist who pretended they saw Joe Jones walking behind his sister on that fateful day
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Has anyone seen Heather Brunt’s Twitter feed - she’s being encouraged by con artist Sandra Lean too
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Sandra Lean
Heather Brunt You use anything you like, Heather!!! This stuff makes me so angry, but I don't have the time to follow up on it, especially when it's everywhere at once. So happy to see you nailing them, though - thank you!!!
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I was distancing myself from the case, haven't been involved for some time, but DR article just poked the hornet nest again
4:20 pm · 25 Apr 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1650882364942303233
Has the dangerous killer and Sandra Lean kicked him to the kerb
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I’ve seen no evidence he got a law degree
Can I respectfully suggest that you take that up with the Daily Record?
“ Also in Forbes' favourite newspaper today (Daily Record online) he is referred to as "an ex-convict who has a law degree”. (KenMore)
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Can I respectfully suggest that you take that up with the Daily Record?
“ Also in Forbes' favourite newspaper today (Daily Record online) he is referred to as "an ex-convict who has a law degree”. (KenMore)
The fraudulent criminal is referred to as a ‘former solicitor’ here https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/luke-mitchell-supporters-hand-over-25538169
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Can I respectfully suggest that you take that up with the Daily Record?
“ Also in Forbes' favourite newspaper today (Daily Record online) he is referred to as "an ex-convict who has a law degree”. (KenMore)
Have you seen any evidence that he has a law degree?
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The fraudulent criminal is referred to as a ‘former solicitor’ here https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/luke-mitchell-supporters-hand-over-25538169
Not sure that negates my point. Being a former solicitor does not preclude you from having a law degree.
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Have you seen any evidence that he has a law degree?
Yes.
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Yes.
I haven’t
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I haven’t
Bet you haven’t seen the Jemaa el-Fna in Marrakesh either but it’s there all the same.
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Bet you haven’t seen the Jemaa el-Fna in Marrakesh either but it’s there all the same.
You’ve also claimed Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell at 10,41pm
Which didn’t happen!
The sim card timings were out of sync
‘Donald Findlay QC, defending, asked him: ''You didn't get the impression that the person on the phone was agitated, uptight, champing at the bit or in a bad temper or anything like that?'' Mr Ovens said: ''No.''
Her voice shaking, Mrs Jones described how, hours later, she came to believe something was wrong when Jodi broke her curfew of 10pm.
At 10.20pm, she texted a message to Mr Mitchell's phone, because Jodi's was broken: ''Right Toad (Jodi's nickname), that's you grounded for another three weeks,'' it said.
A minute later, Mr Mitchell called back. Mrs Jones said: ''He said he hadn't seen Jodi all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong.''
She called Mr Mitchell back and told him: ''I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know. He said: 'I haven't seen her.'''
Mrs Jones began phoning friends and later she called the police. Jodi's body was found later that night.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
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You’ve also claimed Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell at 10,41pm
Which didn’t happen!
The sim card timings were out of sync
‘Donald Findlay QC, defending, asked him: ''You didn't get the impression that the person on the phone was agitated, uptight, champing at the bit or in a bad temper or anything like that?'' Mr Ovens said: ''No.''
Her voice shaking, Mrs Jones described how, hours later, she came to believe something was wrong when Jodi broke her curfew of 10pm.
At 10.20pm, she texted a message to Mr Mitchell's phone, because Jodi's was broken: ''Right Toad (Jodi's nickname), that's you grounded for another three weeks,'' it said.
A minute later, Mr Mitchell called back. Mrs Jones said: ''He said he hadn't seen Jodi all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong.''
She called Mr Mitchell back and told him: ''I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know. He said: 'I haven't seen her.'''
Mrs Jones began phoning friends and later she called the police. Jodi's body was found later that night.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
It is obviously an error. Is this what you’re basing your claim on….one typing error in one newspaper when every other newspaper said 10.40?
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It is obviously an error. Is this what you’re basing your claim on….one typing error in one newspaper when every other newspaper said 10.40?
Sandra Lean Aka Jigsawman had killer Luke Mitchell phoning Judith Jone back at 10:40pm
Where did she get her 10,39pm alleged text time from?
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.).
And Killer Luke Mitchell was seen leaving his house at around 22:00pm not 22:30pm
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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You’ve also claimed Judith Jones sent a text message to killer Luke Mitchell at 10,41pm
Which didn’t happen!
The sim card timings were out of sync
‘Donald Findlay QC, defending, asked him: ''You didn't get the impression that the person on the phone was agitated, uptight, champing at the bit or in a bad temper or anything like that?'' Mr Ovens said: ''No.''
Her voice shaking, Mrs Jones described how, hours later, she came to believe something was wrong when Jodi broke her curfew of 10pm.
At 10.20pm, she texted a message to Mr Mitchell's phone, because Jodi's was broken: ''Right Toad (Jodi's nickname), that's you grounded for another three weeks,'' it said.
A minute later, Mr Mitchell called back. Mrs Jones said: ''He said he hadn't seen Jodi all night. I said: 'What do you mean you haven't seen her? She was with you?' If I recollect, I just put the phone down. There was something really wrong.''
She called Mr Mitchell back and told him: ''I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know. He said: 'I haven't seen her.'''
Mrs Jones began phoning friends and later she called the police. Jodi's body was found later that night.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
’Smit et al. identified 4 individual cases where presentation of CCTV recordings, SIM-card, DVD content, and web content were the misleading elements (personal communication with N. Smit, 5th of April, 2018).
To summarize, research from several forensic disciplines, as well as real criminal cases, has demonstrated that experts conducting forensic examination that involve subjectivity, interpretation or opinion are susceptible to cognitive bias.
Cognitive and human factors in digital forensics: Problems, challenges, and the way forward
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1742287619300441
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This being seen at 5:15pm
Leonard Kelly was home by 5:15pm
Parky where did you get your 4:25pm timing from for the call from the killer to his grandmother Ruby Guetta?
Killer Luke Mitchell Had All Of This Time Over This Evening To Dispose, Clean & So Forth & Proxy Abuser, & Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean’s Web Of Deceit To Reach Maslow’s Pyramid (Part 108)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-proxy-abuser-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-web-of-deceit-to-reach-maslows-pyramid-guest-blog-part-108/
Over a decade ago Sandra Lean had the time of the phonecall to the grandmother at 4:55pm
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Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
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Convicting a Murderer' gets streaming deal, to counter Netflix series 'Making a Murderer'
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https://eu.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2023/04/21/convicting-a-murderer-to-counter-netflix-series-making-a-murderer/70140037007/
Trailer
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https://youtu.be/FeSGoz-SYeA
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Hayley Mackie
Sandra I have came across a person/persons running a strange page who is trolling all news paper articles and so on. They are absolutely slandering yourself and have very tainted and bizarre views. The amount of posts they are posting is disturbing. Quite creepy to be honest x
Sandra Lean
Hayley Mackie They are everywhere, Hayley, using dozens of fake names and profiles. And you're right, it is creepy, but goes with the territory, until they start getting way too close to home.
It’s sad the amount of people who believe in this woman’s bare faced lies
I do NOT have dozens of fake names and profiles Sandra Lean!
You and that fraudster Scott Forbes are as bad as each other!
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Sandra Lean
AAnne Adb Yeah, he threatened to kill me. The police laughed at me!
Is she referring to un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/03/killer-luke-mitchell-a-brief-conclusion-of-opinion-on-sandra-leans-2nd-book-guest-blog-part-115/
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Yes.
Scott Forbes does not have a law degree
The fraudster is now claiming he has a degree in history/philosophy
“In 2006, I started to work on potential Miscarriages of Justice that had occurred in Scotland, which is when I was first introduced to HMA v Luke Mitchell. In 2007, I started a post graduate course in law - accelerated LL. B – and, with the guidance of the late Bill Stewart, I started to legally investigate Luke’s conviction.
He ‘started’ and clearly didn’t finish
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Probably yet another publicity stunt. I'm sure the police are well aware of her .
They are most definitely aware of Mike O’Brien - I suspect they will most definitely be aware of his pal Sandra Lean from ‘long road to justice’
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Where she claimed profits from her book were going
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
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Scott Forbes does not have a law degree
The fraudster is now claiming he has a degree in history/philosophy
“In 2006, I started to work on potential Miscarriages of Justice that had occurred in Scotland, which is when I was first introduced to HMA v Luke Mitchell. In 2007, I started a post graduate course in law - accelerated LL. B – and, with the guidance of the late Bill Stewart, I started to legally investigate Luke’s conviction.
He ‘started’ and clearly didn’t finish
Did you notice the word ‘post’ in that sentence? What do you think that it meant?
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Did you notice the word ‘post’ in that sentence? What do you think that it meant?
He’s a pathogical liar
Where’s his graduate photo?
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Was the Tarzan swing in the woods behind killer Luke Mitchell’s house or at the Abbey?
Anyone know?
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He’s a pathogical liar
Where’s his graduate photo?
I sometimes wonder if your forum account is a parody.
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I sometimes wonder if your forum account is a parody.
Good to hear
So have you seen a photo of this ‘dangerous clown’ in his graduate gown?
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Good to hear
So have you seen a photo of this ‘dangerous clown’ in his graduate gown?
No you’re right…it’s beyond parody.
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That is a shame, Forbes is doing a runner. I read on YouTube he was taking an I.P course (what ever that is) to track down all the trolls to do whatever to them. Is he taking his 10k "cough" ringfenced money with him?
Who did fact-check his book. Lean? Probably wrote it for him.
Anyway, cannot wait to see him on the history channel.
He will be putting himself up for election next, with the raving looney party.
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He’s a pathogical liar
Where’s his graduate photo?
Did Forbes graduate from the school of armed robbery or did he get caught at the first attempt? He wouldn't be the first person I would call if I was a crook - far too twitchy and never shuts up. No wonder he got caught. Good that he's turned his life around and given something back to society though. *&^^&
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What Troll Sandra Lean Won’t Tell You About The TARZAN SWING (Part 188)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/27/killer-luke-mitchell-what-troll-sandra-lean-wont-tell-you-about-the-tarzan-swing-part-188/
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YouTube Video: Luke Mitchell, teen killer! By What They Found
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/27/youtube-video-luke-mitchell-teen-killer-by-what-they-found/
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Troll Heather Doesn’t Recognise Sandra Lean & the Murderer’s Campaign Is Grounded In Lies, Dishonesty & Fraud (Part 189)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/27/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-heather-doesnt-recognise-sandra-lean-the-murderers-campaign-is-grounded-in-lies-dishonesty-fraud-part-189/
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Troll Heather Doesn’t Recognise Sandra Lean & the Murderer’s Campaign Is Grounded In Lies, Dishonesty & Fraud (Part 189)
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Who else was arrested or taken into custody when Corinne, Shane and killer Luke Mitchell were arrested?
Wasn’t there also a young female taken into custody
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Who else was arrested or taken into custody when Corinne, Shane and killer Luke Mitchell were arrested?
Wasn’t there also a young female taken into custody
Similar to Jamie barker in the SH case
Was she another girlfriend of killer Luke Mitchell’s?
How many girlfriends were there
*&^^&
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14 Year Old Girlfriend Belinda Jack (not her real name) Was Also Taken Into Custody On Day Of Sadistic Murderers Arrest (Part 190)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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14 Year Old Girlfriend Belinda Jack (not her real name) Was Also Taken Into Custody On Day Of Sadistic Murderers Arrest (Part 190)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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Similar to Jamie barker in the SH case
Was she another girlfriend of killer Luke Mitchell’s?
How many girlfriends were there
*&^^&
Possibly 5 in just over a year.
Hopefully he spends the rest of his time in all male HMP Shawshank or wherever he is but I'm sure he'll have a few sick female pen-pals.
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Possibly 5 in just over a year.
One of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s friends claimed he was seeing 5 girls at one time
This is 4
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
Who was 5?
And when was con artist Sandra Lean going to tell all those people she is duping about this woman (as she is now)
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One of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s friends claimed he was seeing 5 girls at one time
This is 4
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
Who was 5?
And when was con artist Sandra Lean going to tell all those people she is duping about this woman (as she is now)
KT, [Name removed], KV, LW, GC. Nothing to be proud of. Is it one of those that still supports him?
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KT, [Name removed], KV, LW, GC. Nothing to be proud of. Is it one of those that still supports him?
Reporters didn’t report on the evidence ‘Belinda’ gave during the sadistic killers trial
But after the TV show in 2021 she posted on Facebook
No doubt also communicated with Forbes and Lean 🙄
She appears to have been feeding the Mitchell’s with info about the police investigation, prior to the April 2004 arrests
She was also apparently dating a member of Jodi Jones extended family
According to Kerry’s projections;
Kerry Tremble Kevan
Innocence Fraud I hope all those you're targeting, harrasing & trolling with your nonsensical vile lying posts, get your prosecuted. (sic)
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On the day sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was arrested - had he had a girl staying over at his house the night before ?
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On the day sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was arrested - had he had a girl staying over at his house the night before ?
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Was he not arrested in a bedroom with bunkbeds and CM was there as well comforting him? Is he sharing in jail or does he have his own room?
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Sandra Lean
If anyone is looking for quotes for banners, placards, t shirts, etc, for the protest, may I recommend the following?
"You cannot convict anyone on a mish-mash of mistakes."
"The case is about doing justice to the living and the dead."
"There is no epitaph for Jodi in convicting the wrong person, there is no justice to be served by convicting the wrong person"
*&^^&
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Was he not arrested in a bedroom with bunkbeds and CM was there as well comforting him? Is he sharing in jail or does he have his own room?
‘Belinda’ has claimed on Facebook CID took her from her place of work
She was a waitress apparently
But was she first arrested at the Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2004 or her place of employment?
14 Year Old Girlfriend Belinda Jack (not her real name) Was Also Taken Into Custody On Day Of Sadistic Murderers Arrest (Part 190)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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Sandra Lean
If anyone is looking for quotes for banners, placards, t shirts, etc, for the protest, may I recommend the following?
"You cannot convict anyone on a mish-mash of mistakes."
"The case is about doing justice to the living and the dead."
"There is no epitaph for Jodi in convicting the wrong person, there is no justice to be served by convicting the wrong person"
*&^^&
In reality - Sandra Lean has no clue of all the evidence sadistic psycho killer Luke Mitchell was arrested on!
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Killer Luke Mitchell: An Opinion Piece From ‘The Wilfully Ignorant’ (Part 191)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/?p=37312
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Who was the man who was expelled from the court room (during the trial) - said to be the son of a ‘prominent Edinburgh defence lawyer’?
He was studying for a law degree apparently and was ‘never allowed to return to court’
James Mitchell
Am the guy who was lifted at Luke Mitchell's trial,
James Mitchell
Julie Moody al let you know more at the rally ,cant say to much the now , but these coppers weren't playing games when a got lifted at the high court, I myself have done a life sentence, Luke's totally innocent
James Mitchell
Marshall a nailed a man to the floor just like jesus, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Jane Marshall a killed a man when I was 18 in Glasgow, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Am the nicest person to meet, seriously
James Mitchell
Julie Moody if I had it my way ,ad be at the Easthouses and would drag the prick out of hiding
James Mitchell
Morag Ritchie because of the prick reporter from the evening newspaper, he saw me getting a not guilty on the same day Luke Mitchell trail was on ,while on remand I was furnished with vital information, the coppers swooped on me , I was taken to the station and warned, next time you won't be so lucky, concrete wellies
James Mitchell
Me, Johnnyboy Steele n Stuart Dempsey, went to visit the scene where Jodie was murdered as we were filming we seen a man coming towards us that looked like a copper and lo-and-behold, wait n see what happens.
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James Mitchell
Am the guy who was lifted at Luke Mitchell's trial,
James Mitchell
Julie Moody al let you know more at the rally ,cant say to much the now , but these coppers weren't playing games when a got lifted at the high court, I myself have done a life sentence, Luke's totally innocent
James Mitchell
Marshall a nailed a man to the floor just like jesus, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Jane Marshall a killed a man when I was 18 in Glasgow, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Am the nicest person to meet, seriously
James Mitchell
Julie Moody if I had it my way ,ad be at the Easthouses and would drag the prick out of hiding
James Mitchell
Morag Ritchie because of the prick reporter from the evening newspaper, he saw me getting a not guilty on the same day Luke Mitchell trail was on ,while on remand I was furnished with vital information, the coppers swooped on me , I was taken to the station and warned, next time you won't be so lucky, concrete wellies
James Mitchell
Me, Johnnyboy Steele n Stuart Dempsey, went to visit the scene where Jodie was murdered as we were filming we seen a man coming towards us that looked like a copper and lo-and-behold, wait n see what happens.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Carstairs+old+boy+is+leader.-a061462934?fbclid=IwAR1FX7FSjsahNEzE4DT0WnP6uXZFYdTLoicIpk8OUDeI4SgrpwL0dbmWXIA
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James Mitchell
Am the guy who was lifted at Luke Mitchell's trial,
James Mitchell
Julie Moody al let you know more at the rally ,cant say to much the now , but these coppers weren't playing games when a got lifted at the high court, I myself have done a life sentence, Luke's totally innocent
James Mitchell
Marshall a nailed a man to the floor just like jesus, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Jane Marshall a killed a man when I was 18 in Glasgow, and I don't regret it
James Mitchell
Am the nicest person to meet, seriously
James Mitchell
Julie Moody if I had it my way ,ad be at the Easthouses and would drag the prick out of hiding
James Mitchell
Morag Ritchie because of the prick reporter from the evening newspaper, he saw me getting a not guilty on the same day Luke Mitchell trail was on ,while on remand I was furnished with vital information, the coppers swooped on me , I was taken to the station and warned, next time you won't be so lucky, concrete wellies
James Mitchell
Me, Johnnyboy Steele n Stuart Dempsey, went to visit the scene where Jodie was murdered as we were filming we seen a man coming towards us that looked like a copper and lo-and-behold, wait n see what happens.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Carstairs+old+boy+is+leader.-a061462934?fbclid=IwAR1FX7FSjsahNEzE4DT0WnP6uXZFYdTLoicIpk8OUDeI4SgrpwL0dbmWXIA
https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2004/02/18/Psycho-killer-employed-on-Clooneys-film/53161077127067/
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Killer Luke Mitchell & 14 Year Old Girlfriend Belinda Jack (not her real name) Was Also Taken Into Custody On Day Of Sadistic Murderers Arrest (Part 190)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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UPDATED
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Killer Luke Mitchell & 14 Year Old Girlfriend Belinda Jack (not her real name) Was Also Taken Into Custody On Day Of Sadistic Murderers Arrest (Part 190)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
Excerpt from con artist Sandra Leans second innocence fraud book IB (p.310)
“The interrogation moved on to Luke’s alleged interest in Marilyn Manson and Shane was shown the ripped up calendar and the pictures from the Manson website. He was asked about who washed and ironed Luke’s clothes, what jackets Luke owned with German flags and whether or not Shane believed Luke had a relationship with the other girl, none of which had anything to do with perverting the course of justice.
Of the other girl, the officer said; “I’m not asking you to give a definitive – I’m asking what you think she would have said. I have an opinion on what she would have said. I’m asking what your opinion is, you know her more than I did.
What do you think she would have said and how do you think she would have reacted?”
Shane: “I think she would have been upset.”
DC: Upset, okay. She would have been annoyed, perhaps, I’m not trying to put words into your mouth...
Were the police referring to then 14 year old Belinda Jack?
And is this yet more of Leans word salad
“…..how can the story "add up" when so much of it was never made public? If you pick and choose points, you can stitch them together to make what looks like a compelling narrative, so long a no-one comes along and ruins the story by pointing out all of the"missed out" bits that make a nonsense of it. ~ Sandra Lean - 3rd October 2015
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330669.html#msg330669
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Excerpt from con artist Sandra Leans second innocence fraud book IB (p.310)
““The interrogation moved on to Luke’s alleged interest in Marilyn Manson and Shane was shown the ripped up calendar and the pictures from the Manson website. He was asked about who washed and ironed Luke’s clothes, what jackets Luke owned with German flags and whether or not Shane believed Luke had a relationship with the other girl, none of which had anything to do with perverting the course of justice.
Of the other girl, the officer said; “I’m not asking you to give a definitive – I’m asking what you think she would have said. I have an opinion on what she would have said. I’m asking what your opinion is, you know her more than I did.
What do you think she would have said and how do you think she would have reacted?”
Shane: “I think she would have been upset.”
DC: Upset, okay. She would have been annoyed, perhaps, I’m not trying to put words into your mouth...
Were the police referring to then 14 year old Belinda Jack?
And is this yet more of Leans word salad
“…..how can the story "add up" when so much of it was never made public? If you pick and choose points, you can stitch them together to make what looks like a compelling narrative, so long a no-one comes along and ruins the story by pointing out all of the"missed out" bits that make a nonsense of it. ~ Sandra Lean - 3rd October 2015
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330669.html#msg330669
Killer Luke Mitchell
Shane Mitchell
Corinne Mitchell
and
Belinda Jack (not her real name) were taken into police custody on the 14th April 2004
Belinda was apparently feeding the Mitchell’s with information about the police investigation which she was hearing from Jodi Jones family
”Shane was not told, until he was locked in the back of a police car, what was going on – that he was being arrested on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice.
Shane was cautioned only once, at the beginning of the six-hour interrogation and even then, he was not told what he was supposed to have done to attempt to pervert the course of justice. Having told Shane he would not be allowed access to a solicitor and asking if he had made any false statements or destroyed anything which may have been ev- idential, the interrogation moved quickly on to Luke. Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book IB (p.309)
Belinda would have also been cautioned
Did the Mitchell’s never tell Sandra Lean about Belinda’s arrest?
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud book IB (p.313)
DC: A witness has seen a burgundy coloured Frontera parked at the bottom of Roan’s Dyke path... inquiry has been done with all local keepers of Fronteras. All of them except your mum have been accounted for their movements that night... according to you, your mum was in the house at the time. Was your mum’s Frontera at the bottom of the ... lane?
Shane: I don’t know
DC: You don’t know? I don’t think so. You’ve already told me your mum was in the house, remember?
Shane: I didn’t say I saw the car.
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Sandra Lean
Margaret Anderson I always thought it was an incredibly quick response - JuJ called the police at 11.06pm (from memory) and the two officers were in her house at 11.18pm. And that call was to the local station - it wasn't a 999 call.
Also, she told Luke at 10.49 she'd called "all of Jodi's friends" - we later found out that none of Jodi's friends were called before the police were called. I'd have expected the police's first reaction to have been, have you called her friends and, if so, which ones?
Why so many lies Sandra?
22:30: Judith Jones Began Ringing Round Her Daughter Jodi Jones🌻Friends
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/
22:49: Judith Jones Telephoned The Police To Report Her Daughter Jodi Jones🌻 Missing
23:00 (Approx): Corinne Mitchell’s Evidence During The Trial Regarding Her Killer Son Luke Mitchell Was: “I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
TIMELINE
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Sandra Lean’s Story Doesn’t Add Up Because She’s Missed Out Highly Relevant ‘Bits’ (Part 194)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
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KT, [Name removed], KV, LW, GC. Nothing to be proud of. Is it one of those that still supports him?
There were two Kim’s
Kim T
Kim X
Kara
Belinda (not her real name) - who was taken into police custody
Gemma
Laura
This wasn’t Kim T - this was Kim X
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
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There were two Kim’s
Kim T
Kim X
Kara
Belinda (not her real name) - who was taken into police custody
Gemma
Laura
This wasn’t Kim T - this was Kim X
I’m Luke’s girlfriend…..no I’m Luke’s girlfriend….no I’m Luke’s girlfriend and so’s my wife !
It’s faintly ridiculous what passes as ‘evidence’ amongst certain forum members.
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Preview - upcoming episode
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https://youtu.be/YnFDtz6_az0
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LATEST UPDATE
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YouTube VIDEO: Killin time1: Channel update, thanks for watching! Luke Mitchell/Jodi Jones (feat. Comment Corner) By What They Found
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/youtube-video-killin-time1-channel-update-thanks-for-watching-luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-feat-comment-corner/
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Troll Sandra Lean’s Lies & The Murderers Lies Regarding The 10:20pm Text Message (Part 195)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/01/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-sandra-leans-lies-the-murderers-lies-regarding-the-1020pm-text-message-part-195/
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Troll Sandra Lean’s Lies & The Murderers Lies Regarding The 10:20pm Text Message (Part 195)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/01/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-sandra-leans-lies-the-murderers-lies-regarding-the-1020pm-text-message-part-195/
Not this again. Do you really want this to be the hill your credibility dies on?
Oh okay then.
“The discovery of the deceased's body
[11] The appellant telephoned the deceased's house at 1732, but received no reply. At 1740 he called again, and spoke to Alan Ovens, asking if the deceased was in. He was informed that she had left to meet him. He replied, "OK, cool". Ovens informed Judith Jones about this call. The deceased was due to return home by 2200, but did not. At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded. The appellant then telephoned Mrs Jones, informing her that he had not seen the deceased.”
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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LATEST UPDATE
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YouTube VIDEO: Killin time1: Channel update, thanks for watching! Luke Mitchell/Jodi Jones (feat. Comment Corner) By What They Found
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/youtube-video-killin-time1-channel-update-thanks-for-watching-luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-feat-comment-corner/
https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Just for balance.
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Just for balance.
How can there be any balance when Sandra Lean has told so many lies and left so much out
What about the arrest of 14 year old ‘Belinda Jack’ ?
The girl who appears to have been attempting to pervert the course of justice?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Just for balance.
This 👆🏽is for people like Derek Edmonds
What about Belinda Jack ?
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This is for people like Derek Edmonds
What about Belinda Jack ?
Belinda Jack? Who’s Belinda Jack?
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Belinda Jack? Who’s Belinda Jack?
Belinda Jack (not her real name) was another girlfriend of the teenage psycho killer who was arrested alongside the Mitchell’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
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Belinda Jack (not her real name) was another girlfriend of the teenage psycho killer who was arrested alongside the Mitchell’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
Similar to Jamie Barker in killer Simon Hall case
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Belinda Jack (not her real name) was another girlfriend of the teenage psycho killer who was arrested alongside the Mitchell’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
Do you have a source?
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Do you have a source?
I do
Belinda Jack (not her real name) was a witness during the trial
The trial that charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean did not attend
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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I do
Belinda Jack (not her real name) was a witness during the trial
The trial that charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean did not attend
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
Why aren’t you naming her?
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Why aren’t you naming her?
I have
Belinda Jack
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Why aren’t you naming her?
How many shops did Corinne Mitchell go to after she left work - she was picked up on CCTV leaving Scott’s caravans at 5:07pm
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Troll Sandra Lean’s Lies & Nonsense & The Murderers Lies & Nonsense Regarding The 10:20pm Text Message & The Fundamental Error In The Appeal Judgement (Part 195)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/01/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-sandra-leans-lies-the-murderers-lies-regarding-the-1020pm-text-message-part-195/
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“Don’t be a Derek” Sandra
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
That “dynamic” with your daughter with the tattoos (who you refer to in your latest nonsense video) - how’s that going ?
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Belinda Jack also claimed referring to Butch and Jodi Jones
“Nothing ever happened between them, there was no love triangle only a crush…”
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I have
Belinda Jack
But that’s not her name, we’ve already established that.
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Troll Sandra Lean’s Lies & Nonsense & The Murderers Lies & Nonsense Regarding The 10:20pm Text Message & The Fundamental Error In The Appeal Judgement (Part 195)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/01/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-sandra-leans-lies-the-murderers-lies-regarding-the-1020pm-text-message-part-195/
Dear oh dear you really are flogging a dead horse with this one.
From the same paper, the Herald, which you used to confirm your 10.20 timeline.
“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.
Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:
"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
And from Judith Jones’s testimony.
“When Jodi hadn't returned home by 10pm she sent a text message to Mitchell as her daughter's mobile wasn't working. Timed at 10.41pm, it read:'Right, that's you grounded for another two weeks.'
At 10.43pm, Mitchell phoned and said he had not seen Jodi all night. “
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER%3A+THAT%27S+ME+OFF+MUM%3B+Jodi%27s+mother+tells+court+of...-a0125469714
Your thoughts?
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Dropping Soon..
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/dropping-soon-killin-time-episode-2-by-what-they-found/
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Dear oh dear you really are flogging a dead horse with this one.
From the same paper, the Herald, which you used to confirm your 10.20 timeline.
“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.
Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:
"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/
And from Judith Jones’s testimony.
“When Jodi hadn't returned home by 10pm she sent a text message to Mitchell as her daughter's mobile wasn't working. Timed at 10.41pm, it read:'Right, that's you grounded for another two weeks.'
At 10.43pm, Mitchell phoned and said he had not seen Jodi all night. “
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER%3A+THAT%27S+ME+OFF+MUM%3B+Jodi%27s+mother+tells+court+of...-a0125469714
Your thoughts?
I’d like to know how exactly the person who cobbled together their article came up with what they did and are they related to Sandra lean
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Dear oh dear you really are flogging a dead horse with this one.
From the same paper, the Herald, which you used to confirm your 10.20 timeline.
10:20pm is when Judith Jones texted the killer mobile
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Your thoughts?
And in nearly 20 years killer Luke Mitchell and charlatan Sandra Lean have not been able to show the text message was sent by Judith Jones at any other time other either than 10:20pm
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Your thoughts?
Lazy reporting
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But that’s not her name, we’ve already established that.
No it’s not it’s a moniker
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Lazy reporting
In the Herald when they quoted 10.40 ? Or the Appeal Court? Or the whole of the MSM….apart, of course for ONE snippet in the Herald?
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No it’s not it’s a moniker
Then what is her real name? Why are you so reticent about posting it? Is it that you don’t know?
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Then what is her real name? Why are you so reticent about posting it? Is it that you don’t know?
I know her real name
I know she was 14 at the time
And I know she was taken into custody on the same day as killer Luke Mitchell
And I also know other stuff 8((()*/
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I know her real name
I know she was 14 at the time
And I know she was taken into custody on the same day as killer Luke Mitchell
And I also know other stuff 8((()*/
Nope that doesn’t wash.
Are you trying to make sure that no one Googles her name and finds out that she doesn’t exist?
After all if you don’t know her real name how can you quote posts of her from social media?
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Nope that doesn’t wash.
All will become clearer
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All will become clearer
I’m sure it won’t. You’ll simply become more dishonest.
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I’m sure it won’t. You’ll simply become more dishonest.
“Don’t be a Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
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“Don’t be a Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
Can you date those screenshots please?
Let me help you.
From reading the screenshots it would appear that Derek’s comments are from around the time of the documentary. Therefore it could be true that at one point he was a member of the Facebook group and part of the admin team but not now. In fact that seems exactly the case.
Don’t be a Stephanie…do your research.
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Can you date those screenshots please?
Let me help you.
From reading the screenshots it would appear that Derek’s comments are from around the time of the documentary. Therefore it could be true that at one point he was a member of the Facebook group and part of the admin team but not now. In fact that seems exactly the case.
Don’t be a Stephanie…do your research.
Why isn’t Derek “Sandra’s right hand team”” anymore John?
What’s been going on?
And why has Derek said “Scott Forbes took a sworn affidavit on his account of everything”
What’s one of them?
“Don’t be a Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/youtube-video-killin-time1-channel-update-thanks-for-watching-luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-feat-comment-corner/
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Why isn’t Derek “Sandra’s right hand team”” anymore John?
What’s been going on?
And why has Derek said “Scott Forbes took a sworn affidavit on his account of everything”
What’s one of them?
“Don’t be a Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/youtube-video-killin-time1-channel-update-thanks-for-watching-luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-feat-comment-corner/
Deflection again.
You claimed in your ‘blog’ that Derek lied when he said that he wasn’t a member of the official Facebook page or one of their admin. You posted screenshots to prove this. The screenshots however were over 2 years old and he was absolutely telling the truth….he is no longer a member of the Facebook page nor an admin.
It was you who was being dishonest.
Don’t be a Stephanie.
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In the Herald when they quoted 10.40 ? Or the Appeal Court? Or the whole of the MSM….apart, of course for ONE snippet in the Herald?
Yep the only time they got the 10:20pm text correct
There nothing in any of the papers on Belinda Jack’s arrest or anything about why she was arrested
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In the Herald when they quoted 10.40 ? Or the Appeal Court? Or the whole of the MSM….apart, of course for ONE snippet in the Herald?
Judith Jones texted her daughter Jodi Jones (via LM’s mobile) at twenty minutes past ten (10:20pm)
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Judith as soon as he received the text - Strongly suspect he had been waiting for it amd was already out again with Mia the dog when he received this 10:20pm text
(“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble” ~ Corinne Mitchell’s evidence during her killer sons trial)
Judith rang the killer back because she thought he was was lying
Judith stated to the killer;
'I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know.
He said:
'I haven't seen her”
Judith then telephoned some of Jodi’s friends, she also woke up her son Joseph at around 10:30pm to let him know Jodi hadn’t come home.
Judith appears to have made several calls to the killer and 10:41pm is no doubt the time of another telephone call from Judith Jones to the killer
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(“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble” ~ Corinne Mitchell’s evidence during her killer sons trial)
If Corinne Mitchell had seen her killer son at around 10:00pm when he returned home (witness saw him on NewBattle road at 10:00pm returning home - see CoA judgement at paragraph 20) why would Corinne have been phoning him back not long after and saying he was late and in trouble ?
Especially given the fact killer Luke Mitchell told the police it was his mother Corinne Mitchell who has suggested to him he go out on his own looking for Jodi
Why did Corinne Mitchell send her almost 15 year old son out to look for one of his girlfriends?
And what time did the killer tell police his mother has sent him out looking - on his own ?
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ONE snippet
Zero snippets on 14 year old Belinda Jack, on her arrest and how she fits into the killers narrative
“…how can the story "add up" when so much of it was never made public?” ~ Sandra Lean - 2015
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
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Zero snippets on 14 year old Belinda Jack, on her arrest and how she fits into the killers narrative
“…how can the story "add up" when so much of it was never made public?” ~ Sandra Lean - 2015
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
Why didn’t Sandra Lean include Belinda Jack’s arrest in her 2018 innocence fraud book ?
“When the family and friends of the victim are convinced, beyond doubt, that the correct person is in prison, that he did, in fact, bring this terrible ordeal upon them, it can appear deeply insensitive and cruel to present an entirely different possibility ~ Sandra Lean 2018 IB (P.13)
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“An accusation has been levelled at me, time and again, that telling this story is disrespectful to the victim and her family. I disagree. What is disrespectful to anyone is accepting, at face value, information which is demonstrably false, scenarios which make no logical sense and gaping holes covered over to shore up weak and questionable explanations” ~ Sandra Lean IB (p.14)
Why did Sandra Lean choose to omit killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend, Belinda Jack and her arrest?
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Yep the only time they got the 10:20pm text correct
There nothing in any of the papers on Belinda Jack’s arrest or anything about why she was arrested
First question. How do you know the 10.20 that the Herald reported for the text is correct and the 10.40 that the Herald also reported is wrong?
Second question. If nothing was reported how do you know that BJ was ever arrested? I take it she doesn’t use her pretendy name on social media.
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Judith Jones texted her daughter Jodi Jones (via LM’s mobile) at twenty minutes past ten (10:20pm)
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Judith as soon as he received the text - Strongly suspect he had been waiting for it amd was already out again with Mia the dog when he received this 10:20pm text
(“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble” ~ Corinne Mitchell’s evidence during her killer sons trial)
Judith rang the killer back because she thought he was was lying
Judith stated to the killer;
'I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know.
He said:
'I haven't seen her”
Judith then telephoned some of Jodi’s friends, she also woke up her son Joseph at around 10:30pm to let him know Jodi hadn’t come home.
Judith appears to have made several calls to the killer and 10:41pm is no doubt the time of another telephone call from Judith Jones to the killer
Repeating the same dishonest claim doesn’t make it true.
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“An accusation has been levelled at me, time and again, that telling this story is disrespectful to the victim and her family. I disagree. What is disrespectful to anyone is accepting, at face value, information which is demonstrably false, scenarios which make no logical sense and gaping holes covered over to shore up weak and questionable explanations” ~ Sandra Lean IB (p.14)
Why did Sandra Lean choose to omit killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend, Belinda Jack and her arrest?
Because she doesn’t exist maybe?
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Deflection again.
You claimed in your ‘blog’ that Derek lied when he said that he wasn’t a member of the official Facebook page or one of their admin. You posted screenshots to prove this. The screenshots however were over 2 years old and he was absolutely telling the truth….he is no longer a member of the Facebook page nor an admin.
It was you who was being dishonest.
Don’t be a Stephanie.
“Don’t be a Derek” has claimed he was a friend of Jodi Jones
He wasn’t!
He lied and continues to lie
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First question. How do you know the 10.20 that the Herald reported for the text is correct and the 10.40 that the Herald also reported is wrong?
Judith Jones texted her daughter Jodi (to LM”# phone) at 10:20pm!
The reporting on the trial appears to have been lazy from many/most quarters
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Second question. If nothing was reported how do you know that BJ was ever arrested? I take it she doesn’t use her pretendy name on social media.
Belinda Jack has herself confirmed she was arrested on the same day as killer Luke Mitchell
And people who attended the trial saw her in tears during her cross examination by Alan Turnbull
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Belinda Jack has herself confirmed she was arrested on the same day as killer Luke Mitchell
And people who attended the trial saw her in tears during her cross examination by Alan Turnbull
How could you know that Belinda Jack confirmed anything? None of her testimony was reported in the media. You couldn’t have got any information through her real name as you don’t know it and although her real name would have been used in court all ‘these people who saw her in tears’ weren’t able to furnish you with it.
Just another load of old nonsense from a thoroughly dishonest and discredited poster.
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Just for balance.
Does Sandra Lean know what Ashley Coutts entire evidence was during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial ?
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You couldn’t have got any information through her real name as you don’t know it
I’m not sharing Belinda Jack’s real name with you at this stage John
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Just for balance.
At around 44:00
Referring to Kristin Ford Sandra Lean stated;
“Jodi can’t corroborate what she said”
*&^^&
Sandra Lean also stated;
“Luke appeared to be very sexually active for his age”
“He was 14 going on 15”
Sandra then referred to Kimberly Thomson but made no mention of
Kim X
Kara
Belinda
Gemma
What, if anything, does Sandra Lean know about killer Luke Mitchell and his then 14 year old girlfriend Belinda Jack - who was arrested on the same day as the killer
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How could you know that Belinda Jack confirmed anything? None of her testimony was reported in the media.
Many witnesses testimony wasn’t reported in the media at all
And of those witnesses who’s testimony was reported on - only snippets of their evidence was ever made public/reported on.
Most transcripts of each witnesses evidence weren”t transcribed either
But “Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence”
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At around 44:00
Sandra Lean stated;
“Jodi can’t corroborate what she said”
https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
At around 45:09 during the above video Sandra Lean stated;
“That makes me very sad. There was a point at which Jodi wondered if Luke was cheating on her. Not with Kimberly (Sandra smirks) with somebody else”
Belinda Jack was apparently a friend of Jodi Jones and Killer Luke Mitchell
What did other friend Laura Wightman say about Belinda and her relationship with the kiler?
Does Sandra Lean know the answer to this ?
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I’m not sharing Belinda Jack’s real name with you at this stage John
Fair dos. Let’s not mention it again.
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Fair dos. Let’s not mention it again.
For now
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What did other friend Laura Wightman say about Belinda and her relationship with the kiler?
Does Sandra Lean know the answer to this ?
https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
At around 45:21 during the above video
Sandra Lean stated;
“There was another very good friend, female friend that they went about with…”
Belinda Jack was another of the female friends ‘they went around with’
Does anyone know if Laura and killer Luke Mitchell also had a one night sexual thing ?
Laura didn’t give evidence during the killers trial because she was too traumatised to do so, so Laura Wightman’s witness statement was relied on instead.
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Something else Sandra Lean didn’t refer to in her 2nd innocence fraud book was the emotional manipulation killer Luke Mitchell used with the various girls he hung about with and uses
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
This was a great video btw
Some of Sandra Leans true colours on display for all to see
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Something else Sandra Lean didn’t refer to in her 2nd innocence fraud book was the emotional manipulation killer Luke Mitchell used with the various girls he hung about with and uses
Also know as triangulation
Triangulation ’is a relational dynamic where two people disagree, and a third person gets pulled into the disagreement; this forms a “triangle” within the argument.1 While many people don’t do this intentionally or maliciously, in the hands of a narcissist triangulation is absolutely an intentional tool of manipulation that is often used to control the situation. While narcissistic triangulation can feel frustrating and disarming, understanding what it is and how to respond can help get you out of this toxic triangle. https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-triangulation/#:~:text=Triangulation%20is%20an%20emotional%20manipulation,the%20scales%20of%20the%20argument.
Something the killer possibly learned from his adoptee mother Corinne Mitchell
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This was a great video btw
Some of Sandra Leans true colours on display for all to see
Sandra Leans gaslighting comment on Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell not meeting on the path, when they did meet on the path…
@)(++(*
What an abusive idiot
“Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve the dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
“Don’t be a Derek”
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
The malignant narcissist
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At around 45:21 during the above video
Sandra Lean stated;
“There was another very good friend, female friend that they went about with…”
Belinda Jack was another of the female friends ‘they went around with’
Does anyone know if Laura and killer Luke Mitchell also had a one night sexual thing ?
Laura didn’t give evidence during the killers trial because she was too traumatised to do so, so Laura Wightman’s witness statement was relied on instead.
A couple of days after the killer was found guilty, the guardian published an article which included Laura Wightman’s name
‘Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Laura was clearly still being manipulated by the killer around this time
I would be interested to know how her cognitive dissonance impacted on her evidence
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At around 45:09 during the above video Sandra Lean stated;
“That makes me very sad. There was a point at which Jodi wondered if Luke was cheating on her. Not with Kimberly (Sandra smirks) with somebody else”
Belinda Jack was apparently a friend of Jodi Jones and Killer Luke Mitchell
What did other friend Laura Wightman say about Belinda and her relationship with the kiler?
Does Sandra Lean know the answer to this ?
Who exactly was the ‘friend’ allegedly referred to by Judith Jones Sandra
I noticed your eyes twitching btw in your video - was that due to stress?
Is Derek mithering you Sandra ?
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https://youtu.be/M2bI4oE19n0
Sandra Lean stated at around 52:30
“And again - presentation being everything here
The tree with the initials carved on it was up the other end, beside the big opening where all the kids used to go in there and sit and smoke and be naughty boys and girls
Was Belinda Jack one of these naughty girls Sandra Lean?
Or did she prefer to smoke weed in the “china gardens” with them ?
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Sandra Lean stated at around 53:15
‘So once again it’s it’s ss the - take a nugget of truth and then embed it in a completely false narrative or certainly a misleading narrative
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When did you plan to tell all the people you are duping (and some you aren’t) about Belinda Jack Sandra?
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Charlatan & Fraud Sandra Lean Admits To One Of Her Plethora Of Lies Re: The Gig/Concert (Part 198)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/03/killer-luke-mitchell-charlatan-fraud-sandra-lean-admits-to-one-of-her-plethora-of-lies-re-the-gig-concert-part-198/
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Charlatan & Fraud Sandra Lean Admits To One Of Her Plethora Of Lies Re: The Gig/Concert (Part 198)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/03/killer-luke-mitchell-charlatan-fraud-sandra-lean-admits-to-one-of-her-plethora-of-lies-re-the-gig-concert-part-198/
Part 199
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/03/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-murderers-abusive-enabler-sandra-leans-projections-following-new-youtube-video-on-facts-of-case-part-199/
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Part 199
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/03/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-murderers-abusive-enabler-sandra-leans-projections-following-new-youtube-video-on-facts-of-case-part-199/
After 20 years there is and never has been any photograph of Luke in a parka before the murder. Not at a concert, not at school, none taken by family or any friends and do you know how we know that? Simple really…if a photograph of Luke in a parka had existed during the trial it would have been entered as an exhibit. Bryson, Walsh, Fleming et al would have been shown the photograph, as witnesses were with the photograph of the knife, and they would have been asked whether this was the jacket the youth was wearing that they saw. Further there would have been no need for the tattoo malarkey to undermine Corrine’s credibility…when she denied that her son had a parka before the murder Turnbull could merely have shown her the photograph and her dishonesty, under oath, would have been writ large for all to see.
If the photograph of the concert had been discovered after the trial it would have turned up in the print media at some point as a photograph like that would have been worth a lot of money to the owner. Likewise if any of you who think Luke guilty had seen the photograph you would have made it public by now. You wouldn’t have been able to help yourself.
So it looks like it’s either put up or shut up. If a photograph exists post it….if not then we can assume that it’s the red herring we always thought that it was.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/03/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-murderers-abusive-enabler-sandra-leans-projections-following-new-youtube-video-on-facts-of-case-part-199/
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After 20 years there is and never has been any photograph of Luke in a parka before the murder.
How do you know?
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How do you know?
Did you read the rest of my post? It explains why.
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Did you read the rest of my post? It explains why.
I did
Your arguments aren’t convincing
What was the lighting like during the gig?
What sort of camera was used ?
How was the photograph obtained?
Who did the photograph originally belong to?
On what date did the police receive the photograph?
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I did
Your arguments aren’t convincing
What was the lighting like during the gig?
What sort of camera was used ?
How was the photograph obtained?
Who did the photograph originally belong to?
On what date did the police receive the photograph?
Show me the photograph?
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Show me the photograph?
#DontBeADerek
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
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#DontBeADerek
If it exists show me the photograph.
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This was a great video btw
Some of Sandra Leans true colours on display for all to see
I couldn't watch more than 5 mins. The smirking and eye rolling were off the scale. Seems to be getting more and more animated. And how dare someone make a video challenging the Cult Leader's view. Cue outrage.
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If it exists show me the photograph.
Patience of a Saint . Yes let's see the photograph.
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Patience of a Saint . Yes let's see the photograph.
Don’t worry…it’ll be posted any day now !!!
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A Real Lawyer Briefs Pretend ‘Lawyers’ & Fraudsters Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes On The Destruction Of Productions (Part 200)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/04/killer-luke-mitchell-a-real-lawyer-briefs-pretend-lawyers-fraudsters-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-on-the-destruction-of-productions-part-200/
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UPDATED - “Don’t Be A Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
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A Real Lawyer Briefs Pretend ‘Lawyers’ & Fraudsters Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes On The Destruction Of Productions (Part 200)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/04/killer-luke-mitchell-a-real-lawyer-briefs-pretend-lawyers-fraudsters-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-on-the-destruction-of-productions-part-200/
Lovely.
Now where’s the concert photograph?
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Pretend Detective Lawyer Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie’ Forbes On The New Video (Part 201)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/04/killer-luke-mitchell-pretend-detective-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-on-the-new-video-part-201/
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UPDATED - “Don’t Be A Derek”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/02/killer-luke-mitchell-dont-be-a-derek-part-193/
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No one is interested.
What they are interested in is seeing the photograph of Luke with the parka on at the concert. Is that something you can help us with?
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The ownership of the parka has been well debated. Whether a photo exists or not, I understand there were at least 8 court witnesses who claimed he had one before - friends, teachers and a shop assistant. And what was the timescale from the date he bought a new parka after the murder to the witnesses statements and why didn't he buy a replacement green bomber jacket but a parka in the middle of summer? Maybe because the parka had a hood and big pockets?
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The ownership of the parka has been well debated. Whether a photo exists or not, I understand there were at least 8 court witnesses who claimed he had one before - friends, teachers and a shop assistant. And what was the timescale from the date he bought a new parka after the murder to the witnesses statements and why didn't he buy a replacement green bomber jacket but a parka in the middle of summer? Maybe because the parka had a hood and big pockets?
A shop assistant? Who? From what shop? What did they testify to?
A teacher?
What friends?
Why didn’t he buy a green bomber jacket? Perhaps because he had one of those albeit was with the police for a time. He didn’t have a parka.
BTW do you believe a photograph exits from the concert?
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The St David's teacher claimed he looked like a monk with the parka. Various friends, girlfriends and JuJ claimed he had one before the murder. The shop assistant from Eskbank Trading testified to seeing LM with parka in the shop. These are the ones known about. There may or may not be more witnesses. I'm not sure if I could tell you what my teenage neighbour wears but a German parka is quite distinctive.
I have no idea if a photograph exists. It doesn't make much difference as he was found guilty by numerous witness statements and circumstantial evidence and no amount of YouTube videos will set him free.
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I have no idea if a photograph exists. It doesn't make much difference as he was found guilty by numerous witness statements and circumstantial evidence and no amount of YouTube videos will set him free.
Correct. These people are too far gone, you could have Luke on video committing the crime and they would still cry innocence. That is how far they have gone into the abyss. Our very troll has openly admitted they would move the beast into their own home, and let nots forget, this was not normal murder.
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The St David's teacher claimed he looked like a monk with the parka. Various friends, girlfriends and JuJ claimed he had one before the murder. The shop assistant from Eskbank Trading testified to seeing LM with parka in the shop. These are the ones known about. There may or may not be more witnesses. I'm not sure if I could tell you what my teenage neighbour wears but a German parka is quite distinctive.
I have no idea if a photograph exists. It doesn't make much difference as he was found guilty by numerous witness statements and circumstantial evidence and no amount of YouTube videos will set him free.
Is the Eskbank Trading shop assistant the one who when asked how he remembered seeing Luke in a parka said he remembered ‘because of the murder and everything’?
I’ve never heard that Jodi’s mother claimed she had seen Luke in a parka, nor for that matter any of Jodi’s family. She certainly didn’t claim it in her testimony to the court? Do you have a cite?
Friends or children who were leant on?
But you are right no amount of youtube videos will free Luke but new evidence will.
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Correct. These people are too far gone, you could have Luke on video committing the crime and they would still cry innocence. That is how far they have gone into the abyss. Our very troll has openly admitted they would move the beast into their own home, and let nots forget, this was not normal murder.
Finished your homework already Rusty? Did mummy help you with the big words this time?
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There is no "new evidence". I'd wager those campaigning for the killer will still be here in 10 years and LM will still be in HMP protection wing with the sex offenders and murderers.
In the unlikely event LM is ever found to be not guilty then the current Cultists are doing their best to keep him in prison by their moon howling campaign. Does he even have a qualified registered solicitor to argue his case?
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Correct. These people are too far gone, you could have Luke on video committing the crime and they would still cry innocence. That is how far they have gone into the abyss. Our very troll has openly admitted they would move the beast into their own home, and let nots forget, this was not normal murder.
In an previous world Lean & Forbes would be carted off to an asylum. Does free speech entitle you to hound and blame the victim's family for the ritual murder of their daughter and collude to conceal it for 20 years. Madness! In local terms, bams and rockets that have no shame. Scott Forbes FFS, how low do you need to go to find such a chancer.
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There is no "new evidence". I'd wager those campaigning for the killer will still be here in 10 years and LM will still be in HMP protection wing with the sex offenders and murderers.
In the unlikely event LM is ever found to be not guilty then the current Cultists are doing their best to keep him in prison by their moon howling campaign. Does he even have a qualified registered solicitor to argue his case?
I notice that you didn’t address almost all of my questions so I’ll post them again just in case you missed them.
Is the Eskbank Trading shop assistant the one who when asked why he remembered seeing Luke in a parka said he remembered ‘because of the murder and everything’?
I’ve never heard that Jodi’s mother claimed she had seen Luke in a parka, nor for that matter any of Jodi’s family. She certainly didn’t claim it in her testimony to the court? Do you have a cite?
Friends or children who were leant on?
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Finished your homework already Rusty? Did mummy help you with the big words this time?
Your lot do seem to have an obsession with minors. If it is not #DontBeDerek pretending he befriended girls half is age at school, here is you out with the kiddy jokes. Bizarre behaviour.
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There is no "new evidence". I'd wager those campaigning for the killer will still be here in 10 years and LM will still be in HMP protection wing with the sex offenders and murderers.
Exactly. More like "new sensationalized wordplay" around what they already have. Parky has touched on this subject brilliantly.
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Your lot do seem to have an obsession with minors. If it is not #DontBeDerek pretending he befriended girls half is age at school, here is you out with the kiddy jokes. Bizarre behaviour.
There's a creepy uncle feel about Forbes and his "poor wee girl" comments. And Lean obsessed about a teenage killer boy. There will no doubt be a few predators and perverts at the cult protest on the 13th. Weirdos.
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Your lot do seem to have an obsession with minors. If it is not #DontBeDerek pretending he befriended girls half is age at school, here is you out with the kiddy jokes. Bizarre behaviour.
Adults calling people they don’t agree with names. I thought we’d left that in the playground.
How utterly depressing.
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell buy his herbal cannabis in Flip where he bought his replacement parka?
Downstairs in Flip there was a stall called Applejack which sold herbal cannabis
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell mention this to James English
Why did she only mention the T-shirts?
And what happened to the t-shirt the killer was wearing that evening - also missing ?
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell buy his herbal cannabis in Flip where he bought his replacement parka?
Have you found the photograph yet?
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Have you found the photograph yet?
I have no idea if a photograph exists. It doesn't make much difference as he was found guilty by numerous witness statements and circumstantial evidence and no amount of YouTube videos will set him free.
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So you’re not convinced by the claims in the video you publicised either. That is good news.
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So you’re not convinced by the claims in the video you publicised either. That is good news.
What else did killer Luke Mitchell buy when he went to Flip with his mother Corinne Mitchell?
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What else did killer Luke Mitchell buy when he went to Flip with his mother Corinne Mitchell?
No idea. Is it relevant to Jodi’s murder?
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Have you found the photograph yet?
You are in no position to demand anything.
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You are in no position to demand anything.
It was a question not a demand though to be fair I do seem to have asked it a good few times. No one seems to have seen it. Have you?
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Why are there so many deviants, ex-cons and murderers supporting the satanist killer? Like moths to a flame. Even Corinne seems to have disappeared.
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Are you aware Luke Mitchell made people in HMP Shotts aware he owned a German army parka prior to when his mother said she bought him it?!
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Why are there so many deviants, ex-cons and murderers supporting the satanist killer? Like moths to a flame. Even Corinne seems to have disappeared.
I believe Corrine has had a stroke and is unable to speak properly. Happy now?
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Are you aware Luke Mitchell made people in HMP Shotts aware he owned a German army parka prior to when his mother said she bought him it?!
I wasn’t Mrs S. Thanks for that.
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No idea. Is it relevant to Jodi’s murder?
What else was on those receipts of the Mitchell’s seized by the police ?
And did Corinne Mitchell also use the herbal cannabis being sold in Applejack at the time?
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There's a creepy uncle feel about Forbes and his "poor wee girl" comments. And Lean obsessed about a teenage killer boy. There will no doubt be a few predators and perverts at the cult protest on the 13th. Weirdos.
Heather Grunt won’t be attending apparently
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It was a question not a demand though to be fair I do seem to have asked it a good few times. No one seems to have seen it. Have you?
Whether a photo exists or not, I understand there were at least 8 court witnesses who claimed he had one before - friends, teachers and a shop assistant.
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You're welcome. Happy to help people to do further research.
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The killers trousers with Jodi Jones DNA on them, which were hidden in a hold-all were seized from Newbattle abbey crescent - not Philip Mitchell’s house
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During that interview with James English in May 2019 Corinne Mitchell stated:
“They’ve ruined my business - I’ve left…”
Many people in Dalkeith claim no one ever saw Corinne living in that office/shed and she was often seen shopping in places like Lidl
If Corinne had left Scott caravans by May 2019 where was she really living around this time?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell lie to James English about the length of time her killer son has been in a relationship with Jodi Jones?
Corinne said “5 months’”
End of March to end of June is NOT 5 months
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And why did Corinne Mitchell attempt to pretend to James English her killer son had told her about Judith Jones 10:20pm text message
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Why did Corinne Mitchell lie to James English about Judith Jones phoning her daughter Jodi’s friends?
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Has adoptee Corinne Mitchell always been a pathological liar ?
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“He’d killed it” - Corinne Mitchell May 2019
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The killers trousers with Jodi Jones DNA on them, which were hidden in a hold-all were seized from Newbattle abbey crescent - not Philip Mitchell’s house
For context and balance what was the dna? Was it blood?
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If it wasn’t blood on killer Luke Mitchell’s trousers what else would it have been?
It was blood!
Jodi Jones blood!
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I wasn’t Mrs S. Thanks for that.
clarifying and never taking anything as truth unless you have absolute truth is key and important
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clarifying and never taking anything as truth unless you have absolute truth is key and important
As it should be Mrs S.
What’s your thoughts on the concert photograph? Some digging would be good there too or is ‘truth’ only for those who think Luke guilty?
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You're welcome. Happy to help people to do further research.
Not sure what the point would be? Everyone and their mother knows that Luke smoked cannabis. Is where he got it from really relevant? Jodi also smoked cannabis. Is that relevant to her death?
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In general a stain that might be blood, semen, or saliva is subjected to a presumptive (screening) test. If the stain produces a positive result, then it might have the substance in question, or the test might have yielded a false positive. If the stain next produces a positive result in a confirmatory test, then the stain is concluded to be the substance in question. These tests are separate from DNA profiling. DNA profiling itself does not provide this information.
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“Sandra u are a slaver u claim to be a friend of the family since the murder but your daughter Chelsea was saying the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! When you lived in 6th street corner house next to the school when you used to go down to the family’s house and Corine would visit the wee daft shop you had”
The above was apparently posted in the comments section on her latest video
And now the comments have be turned off
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“Sandra u are a slaver u claim to be a friend of the family since the murder but your daughter Chelsea was saying the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! When you lived in 6th street corner house next to the school when you used to go down to the family’s house and Corine would visit the wee daft shop you had”
The above was apparently posted in the comments section on her latest video
And now the comments have be turned off
Slaver couldn't describe her better. To talk nonsense, drivel, to chatter in a silly, empty way.
So much for her Truthseeking not extending to her own life. She could have answered the comment if it was untrue. She's been spinning a pack of lies from day one, for whatever reason. Maybe she didn't want to be associated with a murderer for her nature business.
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Slaver couldn't describe her better. To talk nonsense, drivel, to chatter in a silly, empty way
So much for her Truthseeking not extending to her own life. She could have answered the comment if it was untrue. She's been spinning a pack of lies from day one, for whatever reason,
I had to look ‘slaver’ up
I hadn’t heard that word before
So Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter Chelsea was telling other kids at school her mums friends son was the killer
And then Chelsea stopped talking to her mother
And moved away
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I had to look ‘slaver’ up
I hadn’t heard that word before
So Sandra Lean’s oldest daughter Chelsea was telling other kids at school her mums friends son was the killer
And then Chelsea stopped talking to her mother
And moved away
Scots word similar to bullshitter. SF is probably No.1.
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Scots word similar to bullshitter. SF is probably No.1.
Where’s 6th street then ?
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Scots word similar to bullshitter. SF is probably No.1.
I’ve got Lean and Forbes on par with each other
The things she says to people behind the scenes are as ridiculous and fantastical as what Forbes writes
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So much for her Truthseeking not extending to her own life. She could have answered the comment if it was untrue. She's been spinning a pack of lies from day one, for whatever reason. Maybe she didn't want to be associated with a murderer for her nature business.
She was working as a self employed carer by 2004
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Where’s 6th street then ?
Nitten ?
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“Sandra u are a slaver u claim to be a friend of the family since the murder but your daughter Chelsea was saying the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! When you lived in 6th street corner house next to the school when you used to go down to the family’s house and Corine would visit the wee daft shop you had”
Was the corner house the ‘cottage’ she referred to in her 2nd innocence fraud book?
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I’ve got Lean and Forbes on par with each other
The things she says to people behind the scenes are as ridiculous and fantastical as what Forbes writes
Sixth Street is in Newtongrange, Dalkeith. Forbes plays the hard man in a small town. Lean plays the victim and gets the sympathy vote from the local gossipers. Both warped in the head.
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Sixth Street is in Newtongrange, Dalkeith. Forbes plays the hard man in a small town. Lean plays the victim and gets the sympathy vote from the local gossipers. Both warped in the head.
Nitten to the locals
“Sandra u are a slaver u claim to be a friend of the family since the murder but your daughter Chelsea was saying the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! When you lived in 6th street corner house next to the school when you used to go down to the family’s house and Corine would visit the wee daft shop you had”
‘In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
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‘In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
Then her friends son committed his murder
*&^^&
And like flying monkey Stephanie Bon in killer Simon Hall case/campaign - she’s been lying ever since
*&^^&
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‘In June 2003, I was happily running my own business, a Natural Health Centre and had completed a long-term project renovating the old mining cottage that was home to me and my two girls. It was seven years since my marriage to the girls’ dad had ended and at last, life felt good again.
“Then, right in the middle of this wondrous new phase of my life, it happened. The brutal murder of a fourteen-year-old girl, just 500 yards from the school my elder daughter attended”
Chelsea - who’s mother Sandra Lean had told her, her ’pals’ son had been responsible
”Sandra u are a slaver u claim to be a friend of the family since the murder but your daughter Chelsea was saying the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! When you lived in 6th street corner house next to the school when you used to go down to the family’s house and Corine would visit the wee daft shop you had”
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“We lived in a small village, a satellite in a three-mile radius around the town of Dalkeith, Midlothian. Village and small town life revolves around gossip and inward-looking concerns and our area was no different. The murder of Jodi Jones sent shock waves crashing through a number of interlinked, interdependent small communities encircling Dalkeith. The place was awash with rumour and horror stories.
Sandra Leans daughter Chelsea was saying “the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!!
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“We lived in a small village, a satellite in a three-mile radius around the town of Dalkeith, Midlothian. Village and small town life revolves around gossip and inward-looking concerns and our area was no different. The murder of Jodi Jones sent shock waves crashing through a number of interlinked, interdependent small communities encircling Dalkeith. The place was awash with rumour and horror stories.
Sandra Leans daughter Chelsea was saying “the days after at school that it was her mums pals son!! [/i]
“From the moment the news broke, another instant and insidious piece of information began to circulate. The girl’s 14-year-old boyfriend, Luke Mitchell, was the murderer.
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From Dr Lean.
“Again, just keeping the record straight. I've turned off comments on the youtube videos, because trolls were targeting my children and describing my previous home, such that anyone could easily identify it. Then, they claimed I turned off comments because I'm "afraid" to answer questions.
I'm putting this out because the house they describe is no longer my home - any attempts to target it would involve people who are not me, not known to me, and nothing to do with the work I do. Following on from identifying my vehicle and encouraging others to "keep an eye out for it," this is getting seriously out of hand and the police have been informed.
Since I know the trolls will see this - I have one message for them. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED.”
Looking forward to some getting an early morning chap on their door.
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No one cares where SL lives or what vehicle she has (unless it is my local bus). It only goes to expose the lies she has spun over the years about her business and relationship with CM. And for someone who has spent the past 15 years hounding innocent people for child murder and blaming the police for covering it up, I doubt they'll be dropping everything to investigate her recent claims. More likely keeping an eye on the murderers and sex offenders turning up to her gala day next week.
Woe!
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No one cares where SL lives or what vehicle she has (unless it is my local bus). It only goes to expose the lies she has spun over the years about her business and relationship with CM. And for someone who has spent the past 15 years hounding innocent people for child murder and blaming the police for covering it up, I doubt they'll be dropping everything to investigate her recent claims. More likely keeping an eye on the murderers and sex offenders turning up to her gala day next week.
Woe!
Best be a bit more circumspect in what you post from now on….just in case.
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Ok I'll keep that it mind. Anything else you want me to do? Is Bunny Chi a pet rabbit? Did you know SL at the time of the murder?
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Ok I'll keep that it mind. Anything else you want me to do? Is Bunny Chi a pet rabbit? Did you know SL at the time of the murder?
That’s it, you stick to anodyne questions….it’ll get you in to a whole lot less bother in the long run.
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It seems Faithlilly has been set a mission to threaten and intimidate members of this forum. Is that allowed?
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No one cares where SL lives or what vehicle she has (unless it is my local bus). It only goes to expose the lies she has spun over the years about her business and relationship with CM. And for someone who has spent the past 15 years hounding innocent people for child murder and blaming the police for covering it up, I doubt they'll be dropping everything to investigate her recent claims. More likely keeping an eye on the murderers and sex offenders turning up to her gala day next week.
Woe!
Lean playing victim again? It is quite the (Narcissistic) talent she has. It will certainly get the minion's sympathy vote, turn them into a frenzy and get them out there to threaten, intimidate, bully & pile on anyone that dares question the narrative. It's all they have TBH, because they certainly do not have anything of importance to discuss that will help Luke's bid for freedom.
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The cowardly troll is just trying to bully members of this forum into silence.
Ironically that’s exactly why Dr Lean has contacted the police. It is not bullying to point that out. Think of it as a public service.
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Of course it is absolutely possible that the 5.32 phone call was not picked up by anyone in the Jones household and it simply rang out. That would explain why Luke waited a while until he called again.
No lies, no drama….simply an ordinary occurrence made sinister by those with an agenda.
Three further things. We can’t be sure as [Name removed] and [Name removed]’s timings were all over the place but they both claimed to be at home by 5.32. As to Luke avoiding anyone hearing the sound of a motorbike…he claimed he was on Newbattle road at the time…are there no motorbikes on Newbattle road? With traffic passing by why would the sound of a motorbike be noteworthy?
And lastly this theory was not brought up by the prosecution in court. However if you have a cite I’d be interested in seeing it. There is only one source for this theory and that’s Parky and it was on this very forum. Funny how it ended up in this video though….!
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Two things about Luke not mentioning the 17.32 and 17.40 phone calls. Firstly this 14 year old child had just lost his girlfriend in the most brutal fashion. Is it any wonder that he didn’t remember instantly much of what happened immediately before. Secondly admitting to the phone calls would actually have shown that he had been concerned where Jodi was. There was no reason for him to hide that fact. In fact it would have been beneficial to his case.
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Of course it is absolutely possible that the 5.32 phone call was not picked up by anyone in the Jones household and it simply rang out. That would explain why Luke waited a while until he called again.
No lies, no drama….simply an ordinary occurrence made sinister by those with an agenda.
Three further things. We can’t be sure as [Name removed] and [Name removed]’s timings were all over the place but they both claimed to be at home by 5.32. As to Luke avoiding anyone hearing the sound of a motorbike…he claimed he was on Newbattle road at the time…are there no motorbikes on Newbattle road? With traffic passing by why would the sound of a motorbike be noteworthy?
And lastly this theory was not brought up by the prosecution in court. However if you have a cite I’d be interested in seeing it. There is only one source for this theory and that’s Parky and it was on this very forum. Funny how it ended up in this video though….!
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Of course it is absolutely possible that the 5.32 phone call was not picked up by anyone in the Jones household and it simply rang out. That would explain why Luke waited a while until he called again.
When in their investigation and how did the police establish killer Luke Mitchell had terminated his initial 5:32pm phone call?
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And lastly this theory was not brought up by the prosecution in court. However if you have a cite I’d be interested in seeing it. There is only one source for this theory and that’s Parky and it was on this very forum. Funny how it ended up in this video though….!
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Two things about Luke not mentioning the 17.32 and 17.40 phone calls. Firstly this 14 year old child had just lost his girl friend
Jodi Jones wasn’t ‘lost’ - she was brutally murdered and parts of her body were mutilated after her death
Let’s not pretend she was ‘lost’
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Is it any wonder that he didn’t remember instantly much of what happened immediately before.
He purposely lied about those two telephone calls he made to the Jones/Ovens home phone
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And lastly this theory was not brought up by the prosecution in court.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/06/killer-luke-mitchell-the-persistent-fakery-trickery-lies-deception-used-by-con-artist-charlatan-flying-monkey-sandra-lean-that-new-documentary-part-204/
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Another Of Murderer’s Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s See Through & Classic Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Trickery Tactics Of Gaslighting & Attempting To Re-Write History (Part 208)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/08/killer-luke-mitchell-another-of-murderers-flying-monkey-sandra-leans-see-through-classic-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-trickery-tactics-of-gaslighting-attempting-to-re-writ/
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You sure
The Persistent Fakery, Trickery, Lies & Deception Used By Con Artist, Charlatan & Flying Monkey Sandra Lean & The New Documentary (Part 204)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/06/killer-luke-mitchell-the-persistent-fakery-trickery-lies-deception-used-by-con-artist-charlatan-flying-monkey-sandra-lean-that-new-documentary-part-204/
Absolutely sure. Parky is the only individual who has suggested that Luke ended the 17.32 call because he was scared [Name removed] and [Name removed]’s motorbike would be heard in the background and behold it’s included in this latest video….can you see the link?
This ‘theory’ about the 17.32 call was never presented in court.
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Can we please keep the nasty comments out of our posts.
Thank you.
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Absolutely sure. Parky is the only individual who has suggested that Luke ended the 17.32 call because he was scared [Name removed] and [Name removed]’s motorbike would be heard in the background and behold it’s included in this latest video….can you see the link?
This ‘theory’ about the 17.32 call was never presented in court.
Not seeing a link
Parky isn’t the only aware of evidence heard during the trial
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A news article from the time of trial claimed a defence lawyers son was ejected for intimidating witnesses
Was this psychopathic killer James Mitchell?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/07/killer-luke-mitchell-psychopathic-killer-from-carstairs-kkk-lead-recruiter-claims-he-was-ousted-from-the-2004-trial-part-206/
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Not seeing a link
Parky isn’t the only aware of evidence heard during the trial
I don’t think Parky, or anyone on this forum, is aware of much of the testimony at the trial and to be fair he didn’t say that a witness had testified to his claim. It was simply his theory. He is however the only one I’ve ever heard put this theory forward.
Coincidence? Maybe.
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I don’t think Parky, or anyone on this forum, is aware of much of the testimony at the trial and to be fair he didn’t say that a witness had testified to his claim. It was simply his theory. He is however the only one I’ve ever heard put this theory forward.
Coincidence? Maybe.
Who knows?
“It would also be highlighted during proceedings that Luke had made a call to Jodi’s house before speaking to Allen Oven’s but had terminated that call before it connected, this at 17:32
The prosecution would argue that if Luke had spoken to anyone in the house at that time he risked him hearing [Name removed] and [Name removed] on the moped and therefore placing himself at the East-houses end of the path
From around 24:57 here
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https://youtu.be/OcedqPxuR9k
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What’s with the alleged 10:17pm telephone call (leans latest nonsense at around 20:25)
Did Judith Jones telephone killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile before she texted him at 10:20pm ?
“The 10:17 phone call I know was not answered and I can’t remember off the top of my head what other call there might have been in between - I do know it wasn’t answered if indeed there is one erm…”
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Why did killer Luke Mitchell wait 23 minutes before phoning Judith Jones ?
How many times did the killer switch his mobile phone off that evening/night?
And why did the killers mobile allegedly receive Judith Jones 10:20pm text at 10:38pm ?
When did the killer charge his mobile phone?
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Glasgow KKK killer campaigns for release of Jodi Jones' murderer Luke Mitchell as he brands police corrupt
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https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-kkk-killer-campaigns-release-26867281
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Glasgow KKK killer campaigns for release of Jodi Jones' murderer Luke Mitchell as he brands police corrupt
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https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-kkk-killer-campaigns-release-26867281
He has no place in a civilised society.
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It seems Faithlilly has been set a mission to threaten and intimidate members of this forum. Is that allowed?
This happens every day with other members of the forum. Relentless but they can still post?
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This happens every day with other members of the forum. Relentless but they can still post?
Then obviously the forum owners don’t have a problem with it, though I personally find it a bit unseemly.
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He has no place in a civilised society.
Am sure there's a nice picture of him with Sandra around the time he was going to protests. Wasn't he one of the three amigos all the supporters loved.
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This happens every day with other members of the forum. Relentless but they can still post?
You and faith really do have a cheek. After everything you two stired?
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You and faith really do have a cheek. After everything you two stired?
Do you mean stirred?
Let me correct you. Neither Dexter nor myself ‘stirred’ anything. We simply denied you the ability to set the narrative and further that’s not fear you feel but frustration and for that I’m rightly proud.
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You and faith really do have a cheek. After everything you two stired?
Too funny. I don't even bother with people on here who devote their whole lives to say Luke is guilty. He is in Prison, he has served his sentence so why are you here? It's like a cult
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Do you mean stirred?
Let me correct you. Neither Dexter nor myself ‘stirred’ anything. We simply denied you the ability to set the narrative and further that’s not fear you feel but frustration and for that I’m rightly proud.
Well said .
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Then obviously the forum owners don’t have a problem with it, though I personally find it a bit unseemly.
Some people just like fighting, mayhem and drama. FL at least has a reason to state Lukes case and does it very well.
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Am sure there's a nice picture of him with Sandra around the time he was going to protests. Wasn't he one of the three amigos all the supporters loved.
He has no place in any campaign if even half of that is true.
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Some people just like fighting, mayhem and drama. FL at least has a reason to state Lukes case and does it very well.
What was it Gandhi said…First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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Too funny. I don't even bother with people on here who devote their whole lives to say Luke is guilty. He is in Prison, he has served his sentence so why are you here? It's like a cult
There are also people who seemingly devote their entire lives to say Luke is innocent even though they cannot possibly know this is so, and I find that a bit cult like too.
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What was it Gandhi said…First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Likening yourself to Gandhi has given me the best laugh of the day, thank you!
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Some people just like fighting, mayhem and drama. FL at least has a reason to state Lukes case and does it very well.
Give yourself a pat on the back. She kept the campaign alive. You smashed it. If kellogs done the a team!
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Give yourself a pat on the back. She kept the campaign alive. You smashed it. If kellogs done the a team!
Do you mean did?
Nope….no idea what the rest means.
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There are also people who seemingly devote their entire lives to say Luke is innocent even though they cannot possibly know this is so, and I find that a bit cult like too.
Its not the same though is it? They are fighting what they see as an injustice. The guilty camp are just fighting. They already have what they want.
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Give yourself a pat on the back. She kept the campaign alive. You smashed it. If kellogs done the a team!
What a silly comment.
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What was it Gandhi said…First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Over their heads FL over their heads
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Its not the same though is it? They are fighting what they see as an injustice. The guilty camp are just fighting. They already have what they want.
The legal threshold is beyond reasonable doubt. Taking into account the incompetence of the investigation and the anomalies within the statements of witnesses was that threshold met? It really isn’t about whether Luke is guilty but whether he’s been proven to be guilty. For me he hasn’t.
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Its not the same though is it? They are fighting what they see as an injustice. The guilty camp are just fighting. They already have what they want.
I think you are missing some salient points. 1) in the process of fighting a perceived injustice these people you seem to laud appear to be firmly pointing the finger at the victim’s own family causing absolute misery to them and that in itself is an injustice 2) The guilty camp are fighting the campaign to have an evil murderer released from prison, which seems fair enough to me.
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Its not the same though is it? They are fighting what they see as an injustice. The guilty camp are just fighting. They already have what they want.
Maybe if you attacked the evidence that got the conviction in the first place, there would be no need for those of us that support guilt to bother. But since you cannot lay a glove on the evidence that got the conviction and instead attack and smear the innocent, then there are those of us that will continue to put you in your place.
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investigation and the anomalies within the statements of witnesses was that threshold met?
You have not seen any witness statements in full, nor did you attend the 42 day trial.
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I think you are missing some salient points. 1) in the process of fighting a perceived injustice these people you seem to laud appear to be firmly pointing the finger at the victim’s own family causing absolute misery to them and that in itself is an injustice 2) The guilty camp are fighting the campaign to have an evil murderer released from prison, which seems fair enough to me.
He will be released whenever the powers that deem fit. If not then he won't.
Which people I seem to laud? This used to be an ok forum but that is long gone.
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I think you are missing some salient points. 1) in the process of fighting a perceived injustice these people you seem to laud appear to be firmly pointing the finger at the victim’s own family causing absolute misery to them and that in itself is an injustice
Exactly this. It is the exact reason why they don't and will never get anywhere. Now that this campaign is being targeted for membership of the Ku Klux clan, i suspect the authorities will be keeping a very close eye on them, if they have not been doing so already.
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Maybe if you attacked the evidence that got the conviction in the first place, there would be no need for those of us that support guilt to bother. But since you and your ilk cannot lay a glove on the evidence that got the conviction and instead attack and smear the innocent, then there are those of us that will continue to put you and your ilk in your place.
My ilk? Can you not post without insulting people. I came on to reply to a comment, I have done so
I don't have to do anything else as I have no desire to dedicate my life to interacting with others when I don't need to.
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What was it Gandhi said…First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
It was not Gandhi that said it, a myth. But this is cringe even for you. The most over used quote in the history of the internet. Cheesy!
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He will be released whenever the powers that deem fit. If not then he won't.
Which people I seem to laud? This used to be an ok forum but that is long gone.
You first came on here and pretended to be Forbes spokesperson and typed the biggest pile of poo I have ever read. And that is saying something considering faith has 20'000 posts of poo.
If i remember correctly, you were asked on multiple occasions to provide evidence of what you were typing, every single time you ignored or deflected. I may go back and ask for that evidence again, but no doubt you will scuttle away in to hiding again.
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My ilk? Can you not post without insulting people. I came on to reply to a comment, I have done so
If you are offended by a word, then that is your problem, not mine.
I don't have to do anything else as I have no desire to dedicate my life to interacting with others when I don't need to.
Ummm then why are you here? I know why you are here, you are going to be providing evidence of your pals law degree, right?
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He will be released whenever the powers that deem fit. If not then he won't.
Which people I seem to laud? This used to be an ok forum but that is long gone.
You seem to think Faithlilly and her pal Sandra Lean are a cut above for a start "Over their heads FL over their heads". You have otherwise failed to address my points.
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It was not Gandhi that said it, a myth. But this is cringe even for you. The most over used quote in the history of the internet. Cheesy!
There's nothing more laughable than people trying to sound intellectual by quoting some clever-sounding meme they saw on Bernie Sanders twitter and not checking its veracity. @)(++(*
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Can anyone advise when the current theory of [Name removed] being the killer was formulated? I know SF was accusing MK for many years but wondered which year his theory changed or was it SL? At some point the Da Vinci rapist was in the mix and it seems to me there is a degree of anyone will do as long as its not LM and it's just not fair that people weren't interrogated more than LM at the time so we'll deflect and blame and make podcasts accusing the family and mop up the remnants of the Jeremy Kyle audience for gullibilty.
Without doubt the Pro-LM campaign is Cult-like and even has a leader and sacred texts (plus the Channel 5 doc) that must not be challenged. And don't mention SM or PM, they just want a quiet life and leave random strangers and murderers to campaign for their boy.
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You have not seen any witness statements in full, nor did you attend the 42 day trial.
I didn’t have to.
Frontline Scotland….change in the search party’s statements….no retraction or denial.
The single, most important piece of evidence against Luke was shown to have gone from being supportive of his statements in the first instance to changing completely by the time that they gave evidence in court.
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Can anyone advise when the current theory of [Name removed] being the killer was formulated?
He has always been Leans No1 suspect from day one, the rest of the stuff is just noise. I think Nic mentioned in a previous comment. What she says in public and what she says privately are chalk and cheese. My best guess, is everything that you will read in Forbes book, will have been prepped by Lean.
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I didn’t have to.
Frontline Scotland….change in the search party’s statements….no retraction or denial.
Another bias, one-sided documentary that was taken off-air.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/bbc-axes-biased-mitchell-documentary-2510094
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Maybe if you attacked the evidence that got the conviction in the first place, there would be no need for those of us that support guilt to bother. But since you and your ilk cannot lay a glove on the evidence that got the conviction and instead attack and smear the innocent, then there are those of us that will continue to put you and your ilk in your place.
The only reason you are here is because we ARE taking the evidence to pieces nail by rotten nail. What’s left? The stinking remains of house built of sand, guarded by compliant rodents.
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It was not Gandhi that said it, a myth. But this is cringe even for you. The most over used quote in the history of the internet. Cheesy!
Overused because it’s absolutely true, regardless of the source.
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The only reason you are here is because we ARE taking the evidence to pieces nail by rotten nail. What’s left? The stinking remains of house built of sand, guarded by compliant rodents.
No you don't, you go round in circles year after year. Recycling the same , there might be a new arm and leg added, a bit of wordplay around the same, some sensationalism, thrown in for good measure. Using the same sources.
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No you don't, you go round in circles year after year. Recycling the same crap, there might be a new arm and leg added, a bit of wordplay around the same crap, some sensationalism, thrown in for good measure. Using the same sources.
I notice you never engage in any real discussion about the case itself. In fact rather than encourage debate, which is what presumably you would do if you were on solid ground, you attempt to discourage members from any kind of debate.
Can I give you a piece of well meaning advice? If you don’t like the conversation, don’t engage. It really is that simple.
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Overused because it’s absolutely true, regardless of the source.
You should stick to spamming your social media with quotes. On here they mean nothing.
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You should stick to spamming your social media with quotes. On here they mean nothing.
Rusty, Rusty, Rusty…quotes always mean something to somebody…even on here!
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Can I give you a piece of well meaning advice? If you don’t like the conversation, don’t engage. It really is that simple.
Unfortunately for you. You are in no position to be handing out advice.
I understand you cannot lay a glove on the evidence that convicted Luke, your debate is mundane and repetitive. It has been done to death. If you can come up with something new, then we can discuss. Otherwise, get your placard ready and upload some selfies from your upcoming protest, give us all a laugh. And i hope it pi$$es of rain 8((()*/
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Unfortunately for you. You are in no position to be handing out advice.
I understand you cannot lay a glove on the evidence that convicted Luke, your debate is mundane and repetitive. It has been done to death. If you can come up with something new, then we can discuss. Otherwise, get your placard ready and upload some selfies from your upcoming protest, give us all a laugh. And i hope it pi$$es of rain 8((()*/
Such anger from someone who claims to be on the right side of the debate. TBH I’m not convinced that you’re convinced. Is the case so brittle now that all that’s holding it together is a few, embittered kindred spirits and their hatred for Dr Lean?
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Is the case so brittle now
Don't fall into that trap of virtue signalling.
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Don't fall into that trap of virtue signalling.
Explain please?
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Faith are you OK? Maybe it's time to try a different methodology, it's never worked. Not rated! Maybe scot could help you find another trade?
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Faith are you OK? Maybe it's time to try a different methodology, it's never worked. Not rated! Maybe scot could help you find another trade?
Ouch….that hurt.
Ps….proper nouns are always capitalised….you do know what a proper noun is, don’t you?
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#ScottishIndependence type #2795 KPSS
@WullieHalliday
If there were no fingerprints, does that not just confirm that the knife was wiped before it was disposed off, so that doesn't stack up with the police stating that a mechanic from the garage opposite mine threw it away because it was broken.
7:34 am · 10 May 2023
#ScottishIndependence type #2795 KPSS
@WullieHalliday
Our DNA was taken but I cant remember anyone getting fingerprinted.
7:21 am · 10 May 2023
https://twitter.com/WullieHalliday/status/1656182615412469760
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Retired DS Criag is a crooked/lying police officer. Police had a used condom with fresh sperm and unidentified DNA from saliva. They asked locals tp give DNA to identify the latter; but abandoned the task to concentrate on a child named Luke Mitchell
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@Truth4Luke
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Replying to @AuldM @JohnSmytheInves and 5 others
So Dobbie Was Lying ? They Had James Falconer's Full DNA Sample
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7:15 am · 10 May 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1656181038622670848
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Pat Brown on sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell
https://www.youtube.com/live/76FYcIMENGE?feature=share
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Pat Brown on sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell
https://www.youtube.com/live/76FYcIMENGE?feature=share
She's good for a laugh is our Pat
"What teen boy, having not being able to see his girlfriend for a long time would chose tatties over titties? "
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John Smythe
@JohnSmytheInves
Coming from someone who has spent so many years of their life on this even when it was not popular to do so, and uncovering new information in the process, I will take your compliments, Scott. In fact I will try and add them to my blog somehow! Thanks.
12:46 AM · May 7, 2023
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She's good for a laugh is our Pat
"What teen boy, having not being able to see his girlfriend for a long time would chose tatties over titties? "
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Although slightly off in parts she makes some excellent points with the humour to boot. - Kind of reiterates and smacks off that constant bleat of there being no reason why LM would become suspect in the murder! What no alibi, not being able to account for where he was, "where the hell was Luke?" And one supporter of innocence says 'Wish I hadn't asked you to look at the case now!'
Does not like "Dr Leans methodology" - That will be because she was not a doctor. The year Ms Lean was putting the application into the SCCRC is the same year of her thesis being marked. ""Notably vociferous" loss of ones "moral compass" and "disgraced criminologist" says Neil Wilby. https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
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Although slightly off in parts she makes some excellent points with the humour to boot. - Kind of reiterates and smacks off that constant bleat of there being no reason why LM would become suspect in the murder! What no alibi, not being able to account for where he was, "where the hell was Luke?" And one supporter of innocence says 'Wish I hadn't asked you to look at the case now!'
Does not like "Dr Leans methodology" - That will be because she was not a doctor. The year Ms Lean was putting the application into the SCCRC is the same year of her thesis being marked. ""Notably vociferous" loss of ones "moral compass" and "discredited criminologist" says Neil Wilby. https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
Let’s start off by her claiming that Luke hadn’t seen Jodi all day….of course he saw her in school….and work from there.
“Slightly off”….at least with the curate’s egg there was some good.
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Does not like "Dr Leans methodology" - That will be because she was not a doctor. The year Ms Lean was putting the application into the SCCRC is the same year of her thesis being marked. ""Notably vociferous" loss of ones "moral compass" and "discredited criminologist" says Neil Wilby. https://neilwilby.com/tag/dr-sandra-lean/
What is it about Dr Lean that specifically triggers middle aged men?
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Let’s start off by her claiming that Luke hadn’t seen Jodi all day….of course he saw her in school….and work from there.
“Slightly off”….at least with the curate’s egg there was some good.
I love it when McCann sceptics are forced to turn on their erstwhile comrades in arms.
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John Smythe
@JohnSmytheInves
Coming from someone who has spent so many years of their life on this even when it was not popular to do so, and uncovering new information in the process, I will take your compliments, Scott. In fact I will try and add them to my blog somehow! Thanks.
12:46 AM · May 7, 2023
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Is this ‘John Smythe investigates’
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https://johnwight1.medium.com/
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Is this ‘John Smythe investigates’
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https://johnwight1.medium.com/
No this is it https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/. The glaring clue that it’s not him is that he’s called John Smythe and not John Wight.
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No this is it https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/. The glaring clue that it’s not him is that he’s called John Smythe and not John Wight.
https://johnwight1.medium.com/with-the-scottish-national-party-in-meltdown-what-now-for-scottish-independence-a52db3805dd3
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https://johnwight1.medium.com/with-the-scottish-national-party-in-meltdown-what-now-for-scottish-independence-a52db3805dd3
This is what you asked. “ Is this ‘John Smythe investigates”. The link is the website of a man called John Wight. Can’t you see the problem?
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You first came on here and pretended to be Forbes spokesperson and typed the biggest pile of poo I have ever read. And that is saying something considering faith has 20'000 posts of poo.
If i remember correctly, you were asked on multiple occasions to provide evidence of what you were typing, every single time you ignored or deflected. I may go back and ask for that evidence again, but no doubt you will scuttle away in to hiding again.
That kind of action is par for the course for this section of the forum.
I have not scuttled anywhere, its just a tactic you use to command a reply. I actually have better things to do than read this drivel 24/7. I won't apologise for that.
As for SF I posted not pretended anything.
Will tell him you said hi, sure he will be thrilled.
Not sure why I need to know how many posts FL has made, that is their business.
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No you don't, you go round in circles year after year. Recycling the same crap, there might be a new arm and leg added, a bit of wordplay around the same crap, some sensationalism, thrown in for good measure. Using the same sources.
Agree to an extent.
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Agree to an extent. FL, to me, comes across as a bit of a virago. She's a reasonably intelligent troll.
Awww Mr Apples I was hoping for a battle of wits but you appear to have come unarmed.
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From Dr Lean.
“Again, just keeping the record straight. I've turned off comments on the youtube videos, because trolls were targeting my children and describing my previous home, such that anyone could easily identify it. Then, they claimed I turned off comments because I'm "afraid" to answer questions.
I'm putting this out because the house they describe is no longer my home - any attempts to target it would involve people who are not me, not known to me, and nothing to do with the work I do. Following on from identifying my vehicle and encouraging others to "keep an eye out for it," this is getting seriously out of hand and the police have been informed.
Since I know the trolls will see this - I have one message for them. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED.”
Looking forward to some getting an early morning chap on their door.
I Am Innocence Fraud Watch (Part 211)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/10/i-am-innocence-fraud-watch-part-211/
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I was hoping for a battle of wits
Amazing. Rumour has it Lean is preparing your prize now to present it to you at the protest. A tuna sandwich. Congratulations.
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Pat Brown on sadistic teen killer Luke Mitchell
https://www.youtube.com/live/76FYcIMENGE?feature=share
Oh no, she will get piled on. Lean will be seething.
Over 2 hours, will have to watch in bits.
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Amazing. Rumour has it Lean is preparing your prize now to present it to you at the protest. A tuna sandwich. Congratulations.
I’m a vegan so unfortunately I’d have to decline. Glad you think I’d win though. Cheers for that.
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Oh no, she will get piled on. Lean will be seething.
Over 2 hours, will have to watch in bits.
That’s right, take it at your own pace and there’s always the rewind button for the bits you don’t understand.
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The case of Andrew Malkinson. The similarities between this case and Luke Mitchell’s are striking.
https://www.thejusticegap.com/andrew-malkinson-i-am-innocent-finally-i-have-the-chance-to-prove-it/
“ In 2004, Mr Malkinson was convicted by a 10-2 majority jury verdict of the July 2003 rape of a 33-year-old woman in Greater Manchester despite the absence of any forensic evidence linking him to the attack and notable discrepancies with the descriptions provided by eyewitnesses.”
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“ According to APPEAL, Greater Manchester Police had ‘unlawfully lost or destroyed’ exhibits including items of the victim’s clothing‘ despite the force having a strict legal duty to retain them’. “
And from https://www.thejusticegap.com/forensically-aware-andy-malkinson-case/
“ If this had been an honest prosecution, then the case would have been founded on the forensic science evidence of which, in these circumstances, investigators could have expected a great deal. As it happened, there was none at all.
The Crown Prosecution Service attempted to fill this hole in its case by asserting that Malkinson was ‘forensically aware’.”
These cases seem to follow a pattern.
Are Helen Pitcher & The Criminal Cases Review Commission Using Their ‘Special Powers’ To Act Outside Of The Existing UK Criminal Justice System & Attempting To Frame An Innocent Man For Andrew Malkinson’s Rape In The Process?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/11/are-helen-pitcher-the-criminal-cases-review-commission-using-their-special-powers-to-act-outside-of-the-existing-uk-criminal-justice-system-attempting-to-frame-an-innocen/
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Amazing. Rumour has it Lean is preparing your prize now to present it to you at the protest. A tuna sandwich. Congratulations.
There will be a prize for the most inventive LM placard at the protest. Ms Lilly will check it for spellin and grammer furst.
1st prize: Signed photo of Scotland's leading criminologist, Prof David Wilson.
Runner Up: Complimentary ticket for Dalkeith Carlton Bingo.
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There will be a prize for the most inventive LM placard at the protest. Ms Lilly will check it for spellin and grammer furst.
1st prize: Signed photo of Scotland's leading criminologist, Prof David Wilson.
Runner Up: Complimentary ticket for Dalkeith Carlton Bingo.
Damn !!! I have one of the first prize already and I’ve never played bingo….is it fun Kenmore? You seem to be the expert.
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Damn !!! I have one of the first prize already and I’ve never played bingo….is it fun Kenmore? You seem to be the expert.
I've not tried bingo yet. Have you made your placard yet? If you can beat "Luke was mashing tatties while Shane was looking at t......" then surely at least a complimentary bingo ticket will be yours.
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I've not tried bingo yet. Have you made your placard yet? If you can beat "Luke was mashing tatties while Shane was looking at t......" then surely at least a complimentary bingo ticket will be yours.
I’m nowhere near Edinburgh or indeed Scotland so unfortunately the protest will have to carry on without me.
Coincidentally I’d recorded a BBC programme about the Ice Cream wars a few months ago and have just got round to watching it. I must say the size of the protests for Campbell and Steele’s release were nothing to write home about but to paraphrase the old adage it’s not the size of your protest that matters but what you achieve by it. Of course Campbell and Steele got justice.
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Coincidentally I’d recorded a BBC programme about the Ice Cream wars a few months ago and have just got round to watching it. I must say the size of the protests for Campbell and Steele’s release were nothing to write home about but to paraphrase the old adage it’s not the size of your protest that matters but what you achieve by it. Of course Campbell and Steele got justice.
Steele was possibly commendable for trying to escape at every opportunity to highlight his case. TC was far from an angel and while he might not have directly been involved in the Doyle deaths he was certainly a violent criminal in the Ice Cream van trade. And yes I lived about 10 miles away at the time and everyone knew it was McGrrr behind it - it was a gangland war, not a ritual killing.
Plus they were represented by a credible lawyer who managed to expose police failings which has yet to be proven in this case.
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Steele was possibly commendable for trying to escape at every opportunity to highlight his case. TC was far from an angel and while he might not have directly been involved in the Doyle deaths he was certainly a violent criminal in the Ice Cream van trade. And yes I lived about 10 miles away at the time and everyone knew it was McGrrr behind it - it was a gangland war, not a ritual killing.
Plus they were represented by a credible lawyer who managed to expose police failings which has yet to be proven in this case.
Agreed Campbell was no angel.
As to their lawyers…don’t you consider Findlay ‘credible’? He represented Luke in his first trial. As to Campbell and Steele they had separate lawyers for their second appeal. The police failings are there for all to see in Luke’s case, no need for a lawyer to expose them.
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Without doubt Findlay is one of the sharpest legal minds around, however he has not pursued the case for many years and LM has a small town local criminal solicitor (according to SF). When you mention Donald Findlay and Scott Forbes, it brings into context the lack of professionalism involved in the current campaign despite SF's claims of his pal Roddy being on the case.
Why can't LM get a decent lawyer like Anwar, Findlay, Beltrami etc if he is as innocent as he claims?
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Without doubt Findlay is one of the sharpest legal minds around, however he has not pursued the case for many years and LM has a small town local criminal solicitor (according to SF). When you mention Donald Findlay and Scott Forbes, it brings into context the lack of professionalism involved in the current campaign despite SF's claims of his pal Roddy being on the case.
Why can't LM get a decent lawyer like Anwar, Findlay, Beltrami etc if he is as innocent as he claims?
I’m sure money is a factor. It is much harder to get legal aid now than it was even in the recent past.
Am I to assume that you believe Luke allegedly not having a decent lawyer is hindering his fight justice?
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I’m sure money is a factor. It is much harder to get legal aid now than it was even in the recent past.
Am I to assume that you believe Luke allegedly not having a decent lawyer is hindering his fight justice?
I speak with Legal Aid every week. They will provide funds if they believe there is a reasonable chance within a specific timeframe, in this case perhaps not. Assume not, LM could have every lawyer in the land and still not have a chance but at the moment he has hobbyists Lean & Forbes arguing his case. Justice has been well served in Mitchell's case and no amount of petitions or podcasts wil change that.
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I speak with Legal Aid every week. They will provide funds if they believe there is a reasonable chance within a specific timeframe, in this case perhaps not. Assume not, LM could have every lawyer in the land and still not have a chance but at the moment he has hobbyists Lean & Forbes arguing his case. Justice has been well served in Mitchell's case and no amount of petitions or podcasts wil change that.
I believe Luke has legal aid now but it has been a factor in the past.
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A fair collection of fishwives and men at the protest - not as many people as at the "Save the Abbeyhill Day Centre" demo though. Didn't see Forbes - has he gone off to fight for Putin?
1st prize for best/worst banner: FREE LUKE - TRIAL BY MEDIA - WATCH CH5 MURDER IN A SMALL TOWN (the irony)
Runner Up: FREE LUKE MITCHELL - HE WAS JUST A BOY (So was Aaron Campbell)
Looked like some people took their kids along to Lean's vanity show and the murderer himself spoke via recording!?? Poor souls.
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A fair collection of fishwives and men at the protest - not as many people as at the "Save the Abbeyhill Day Centre" demo though. Didn't see Forbes - has he gone off to fight for Putin?
1st prize for best/worst banner: FREE LUKE - TRIAL BY MEDIA - WATCH CH5 MURDER IN A SMALL TOWN (the irony)
Runner Up: FREE LUKE MITCHELL - HE WAS JUST A BOY (So was Aaron Campbell)
Looked like some people took their kids along to Lean's vanity show and the murderer himself spoke via recording!?? Poor souls.
Much better turnout than last time.
You sound a bit scunnered Kenmore.
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A fair collection of fishwives and men at the protest - not as many people as at the "Save the Abbeyhill Day Centre" demo though. Didn't see Forbes - has he gone off to fight for Putin?
1st prize for best/worst banner: FREE LUKE - TRIAL BY MEDIA - WATCH CH5 MURDER IN A SMALL TOWN (the irony)
Runner Up: FREE LUKE MITCHELL - HE WAS JUST A BOY (So was Aaron Campbell)
Looked like some people took their kids along to Lean's vanity show and the murderer himself spoke via recording!?? Poor souls.
According to the FB events page the combined total of “going” and “interested” was about 80 people. Did numbers far exceed this total?
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I'm perfectly fine, no need to worry. It was embarrassing to see adults and children chanting for justice for a child killer. Seemed to be more about LM than Jodi.
It's a poor show when the only Mitchell supporting LM is his murdering namesake of the KKK. Anyway, onto the next useless petition or podcast diversion blaming other people.
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According to the FB events page the combined total of “going” and “interested” was about 80 people. Did numbers far exceed this total?
I would say about 80 max. I was expecting roads closed and at least 10% of the 27,000 who signed the petition.
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I would say about 80 max. I was expecting roads closed and at least 10% of the 27,000 who signed the petition.
Always refreshing to have the humour included where appropriate. Certainly representative of "The people of Scotland will not be silenced" - Without a doubt.
The figure a little generous, some general public in there whilst the filming was doing it rounds, no doubt the media will report it as much more. maybe?
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https://youtu.be/gl6NhrdeuWQ
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I would say about 80 max. I was expecting roads closed and at least 10% of the 27,000 who signed the petition.
Not a cause that has got a large proportion of Scotland up in arms then.
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https://youtu.be/gl6NhrdeuWQ
Not a single word said about Jodi. Very telling.
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Not a single word said about Jodi. Very telling.
Much like your posts. Dr Lean seems to figure more than Jodi.
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Always refreshing to have the humour included where appropriate. Certainly representative of "The people of Scotland will not be silenced" - Without a doubt.
The figure a little generous, some general public in there whilst the filming was doing it rounds, no doubt the media will report it as much more. maybe?
Much the same numbers that protested towards the end of the Glasgow Two’s campaign for justice.
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Much like your posts. Dr Lean seems to figure more than Jodi.
Thanks for proving my point 8((()*/
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https://youtu.be/gl6NhrdeuWQ
Why use a picture of him as a teenage boy? It's a strange fetish when he is mid 30s. Why not show what 18 years of incarceration looks like for killing someone instead of some gormless wee laddie pic - even though this was after he'd murdered his girlfriend.
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Thanks for proving my point 8((()*/
That your grudge is against Dr Lean and nothing really to do with justice for Jodi? You’re welcome.
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justice for Jodi?
Already done. Luke Mitchell, convicted of her murder on 11 January 2005. Guilty by majority.
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Why use a picture of him as a teenage boy? It's a strange fetish when he is mid 30s. Why not show what 18 years of incarceration looks like for killing someone instead of some gormless wee laddie pic - even though this was after he'd murdered his girlfriend.
It is creepy.
But i suppose it is better than getting an updated selfie from his cell, it would be worse if Campbell photobombed him too. Certainly would not be able to pull on the heart strings, of the lonely middle-aged mothers that he seems to attract.
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Plus they were represented by a credible lawyer who managed to expose police failings which has yet to be proven in this case.
The way in which Luke Mitchell was questioned was "outrageous," and that is hardly the only failing.
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The way in which Luke Mitchell was questioned was "outrageous," and that is hardly the only failing.
I will fix this for you.
Unless the full transcript of the interview becomes available, then you cannot say with absolute certainly, what was "outrageous"
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It is creepy.
But i suppose it is better than getting an updated selfie from his cell, it would be worse if Campbell photobombed him too. Certainly would not be able to pull on the heart strings, of the lonely middle-aged mothers that he seems to attract.
He's already had a birthday card from Tobin and the full backing of killer James Morrison but Lean & Co seem to play that down although there were a few deviants there yesterday - moths to a flame. Forbes was off at the ALBA conference - much more important than campaigning for his book about the poor wee laddie.
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A fair collection of fishwives and men at the protest - not as many people as at the "Save the Abbeyhill Day Centre" demo though. Didn't see Forbes - has he gone off to fight for Putin?
1st prize for best/worst banner: FREE LUKE - TRIAL BY MEDIA - WATCH CH5 MURDER IN A SMALL TOWN (the irony)
Runner Up: FREE LUKE MITCHELL - HE WAS JUST A BOY (So was Aaron Campbell)
Looked like some people took their kids along to Lean's vanity show and the murderer himself spoke via recording!?? Poor souls.
So, what were you doing there, Kenmore???
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He's already had a birthday card from Tobin and the full backing of killer James Morrison but Lean & Co seem to play that down although there were a few deviants there yesterday - moths to a flame. Forbes was off at the ALBA conference - much more important than campaigning for his book about the poor wee laddie.
Jeez, Jack of all trades will be putting himself up as Alba candidate for Edinburgh North and Leith next.
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Unless the full transcript of the interview becomes available, then you cannot say with absolute certainly, what was "outrageous"
From a 2009 article at The Guardian:
"As well as pursuing a new appeal in Scotland, Mitchell's defence team has lodged a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) about his pre-arrest interview, which, in accordance with Scottish law, was conducted without a solicitor present. Despite denying last year's appeal, the three judges said some of the police questioning of Mitchell was 'outrageous'."
I put the word "outrageous" in quotes because it was, in fact, a quotation. My own view is that the very notion allowing a 15-year-old to be questioned without a solicitor is shocking failure of the criminal justice system of Scotland, before one even gets to the mind boggling way in which the questioning was done. From the Daily Record:
"He [Lord Hamilton] added: At times the nature of the questioning was such that the questioner did not seem to be seriously interested in a response but rather endeavoring to break him down into giving some hoped-for confession by hostile interrogation."
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So, what were you doing there, Kenmore???
I was cycling past on my way to Abbeyhill to protest about my old learning centre funding cuts. About 100 turned up - tea and scones provided.
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I put the word "outrageous" in quotes because it was, in fact, a quotation. My own view is that the very notion allowing a 15-year-old to be questioned without a solicitor is shocking failure of the criminal justice system of Scotland, before one even gets to the mind boggling way in which the questioning was done. From the Daily Record:
I'd not go quoting the Daily Record here, pal. You will get incarcerated to the depths of hell from Faith for doing so. But since you are a staunch innocent supporter, you will probably get a free pass from the self-proclaimed champion of the wits.
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I'd not go quoting the Daily Record here, pal. You will get incarcerated to the depths of hell from Faith for doing so. But since you are a staunch innocent supporter, you will probably get a free pass from the self-proclaimed champion of the wits.
There you go Rusty, this quote is from the Herald.
“ Having considered the transcript of the interview, we are driven to the conclusion that some of the questions put by the interviewing police officer can only be described as outrageous. At times the nature of the questioning was such that the questioner did not seem to be seriously interested in a response from the appellant but rather endeavouring to break him down into giving some hoped-for confession by his overbearing and hostile interrogation. Such conduct, particularly where the interviewee was a 15 year old youth, can only be deplored. ”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463762.luke-mitchell-read-judgment-jodi-jones-case/
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There you go Rusty, this quote is from the Herald.
“ Having considered the transcript of the interview, we are driven to the conclusion that some of the questions put by the interviewing police officer can only be described as outrageous. At times the nature of the questioning was such that the questioner did not seem to be seriously interested in a response from the appellant but rather endeavouring to break him down into giving some hoped-for confession by his overbearing and hostile interrogation. Such conduct, particularly where the interviewee was a 15 year old youth, can only be deplored. ”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12463762.luke-mitchell-read-judgment-jodi-jones-case/
Acknowledged by the SCCRC. They still chucked it out.
Next!
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Acknowledged by the SCCRC. They still chucked it out.
Next!
And pop up the 200 page SCCRC Statement of Reasons why SL's appeal/review failed. And persisting with the useless Change.org petition that isn't even acknowledged by Scottish Parliament. You'd almost think the campaigners didn't want anything to happen.
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I'd not go quoting the Daily Record here, pal. You will get incarcerated to the depths of hell from Faith for doing so. But since you are a staunch innocent supporter, you will probably get a free pass from the self-proclaimed champion of the wits.
I also quoted The Guardian, which you ignored. I suggest looking up the entry on Luke Mitchell at Murderpedia.org, and searching on the term "outrageous." Among other things you will find the following: "Before coming to consider, so far as necessary, the details of the interview, it is appropriate to make some general observations. In that part of it which was objected to, commencing at page 12 of Crown production 44, undoubtedly some of the questions put by the police officers can only be described as outrageous. One of the clearest examples of what we mean is to be found at page 55 of the transcript."
And: "Sitting over the appeal were Lord Osborne, Lord Kingarth and Lord Hamilton, who delivered the decision. They ruled that there was sufficient evidence in law that Luke Mitchell could be convicted on and rejected his other grounds of appeal, yet stated that police questioning of Mitchell on 14 August 2003 had been "outrageous" and was "to be deplored.""
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Acknowledged by the SCCRC. They still chucked it out.
Next!
The Glasgow Two were freed after several appeals.
Let’s remember that.
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I also quoted The Guardian, which you ignored. I suggest looking up the entry on Luke Mitchell at Murderpedia.org, and searching on the term "outrageous." Among other things you will find the following: "Before coming to consider, so far as necessary, the details of the interview, it is appropriate to make some general observations. In that part of it which was objected to, commencing at page 12 of Crown production 44, undoubtedly some of the questions put by the police officers can only be described as outrageous. One of the clearest examples of what we mean is to be found at page 55 of the transcript."
And: "Sitting over the appeal were Lord Osborne, Lord Kingarth and Lord Hamilton, who delivered the decision. They ruled that there was sufficient evidence in law that Luke Mitchell could be convicted on and rejected his other grounds of appeal, yet stated that police questioning of Mitchell on 14 August 2003 had been "outrageous" and was "to be deplored.""
Already answered in my previous post.
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The Glasgow Two were freed after several appeals.
Let’s remember that.
Next you will be mentioning Hillsborough.
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And pop up the 200 page SCCRC Statement of Reasons why SL's appeal/review failed. And persisting with the useless Change.org petition that isn't even acknowledged by Scottish Parliament. You'd almost think the campaigners didn't want anything to happen.
Online petitions are a joke. One person can sit all day, signing it multiple times.
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Acknowledged by the SCCRC. They still chucked it out.
KenMore had written "Plus they were represented by a credible lawyer who managed to expose police failings which has yet to be proven in this case." Thus the context of the question was whether or not there had been unprofessional behaviors. My comments rebutted his claim. Whether or not this should have been sufficient grounds for appeal is a separate question. On that question I will be brief; anyone who places high confidence in any appeals system is putting hope above experience.
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The Glasgow Two were freed after several appeals.
Let’s remember that.
Let's remember they were released at the third attempt by credible lawyers not tea-leaf readers and fantasy lawyers. LM's next appeal would be his fifth. No one called them the Glasgow Two. They did call TC as "T*** C*** though. Lovely man.
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KenMore had written "Plus they were represented by a credible lawyer who managed to expose police failings which has yet to be proven in this case." Thus the context of the question was whether or not there had been unprofessional behaviors. My comments rebutted his claim. Whether or not this should have been sufficient grounds for appeal is a separate question. On that question I will be brief; anyone who places high confidence in any appeals system is putting hope above experience.
Are you really trying to compare Aamer Anwar with SF who has yet to progress this case a single inch in 20 years and was so concerned he attended the ALBA conference yesterday rather than supporting the wee laddie at the protest. There has been no credible legal involvment in LM's case in recent years for obvious reasons.
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There has been no credible legal involvment in LM's case in recent years for obvious reasons.
And they never question why. Roddy is a waste of space and seems to spend his time trolling fellow KC's on Twitter.
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Are you really trying to compare Aamer Anwar with SF who has yet to progress this case a single inch in 20 years and was so concerned he attended the ALBA conference yesterday rather than supporting the wee laddie at the protest. There has been no credible legal involvment in LM's case in recent years for obvious reasons.
I am not trying to make such a comparison. I am pointing out that (contrary to your claim) there exists at least one instance of incontrovertible investigatorial or judicial conduct that was something other than professional. Other examples are known and could be debated.
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Next you will be mentioning Hillsborough.
Why?
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Let's remember they were released at the third attempt by credible lawyers not tea-leaf readers and fantasy lawyers. LM's next appeal would be his fifth. No one called them the Glasgow Two. They did call TC as "T*** C*** though. Lovely man.
Not lovely at all but still entitled to justice.
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And they never question why. Roddy is a waste of space and seems to spend his time trolling fellow KC's on Twitter.
To know that you must be stalking him. Why would you do that?
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Already answered in my previous post.
What started this particular conversation was KenMore's assertion that there was no proven bad conduct by the police. My bringing up the interrogation and quoting Lord Hamilton and the other members was in rebuttal to his claim. If questioning a 14-15 year old person in such a manner and not allowing him or her representation are not sufficient grounds for appeal in Scotland, then it indicates the existence of at least one problem in Scottish justice (we have a similar problem in the United States BTW).
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Almost 20 years and sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell continues to self sabotage, also getting caught using illegal drugs
All those people who are being manipulated and exploited to write to the prison, will more than likely help him get sent back to closed prison conditions
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/12/killer-luke-mitchell-actual-factual-guilty-murderer-sadistic-psychopath-who-has-been-psychologically-abusing-torturing-his-secondary-victims-4-almost-20-years-caught-using-illegal-dru/
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Almost 20 years and sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell continues to self sabotage, also getting caught using illegal drugs
All those people who are being manipulated and exploited to write to the prison, will more than likely help him get sent back to closed prison conditions
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/12/killer-luke-mitchell-actual-factual-guilty-murderer-sadistic-psychopath-who-has-been-psychologically-abusing-torturing-his-secondary-victims-4-almost-20-years-caught-using-illegal-dru/
Un-Convicted Baby Killer, Sexual Deviant & Con-Artist Billy Middleton & His “Wrongly Accused Person” August 2013 Abusive Rant
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Almost 20 years and sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell continues to self sabotage, also getting caught using illegal drugs
All those people who are being manipulated and exploited to write to the prison, will more than likely help him get sent back to closed prison conditions
Maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered his girlfriend. In the brief time I listened to that nonsense he comes across as a whinging self-centred ****. Did he mention Jodi once? Anyway, well done SPS for their current stance and hopefully ignoring Lean and the muppets who will write to and pray for him.
I think even for his own safety he will not get parole any time soon and would be a risk both to himself and others.
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Maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered his girlfriend. In the brief time I listened to that nonsense he comes across as a whinging self-centred ****. Did he mention Jodi once? Anyway, well done SPS for their current stance and hopefully ignoring Lean and the muppets who will write to and pray for him.
I think even for his own safety he will not get parole any time soon and would be a risk both to himself and others.
It sounds like the prison service also recognise he is a risk to “females” as this was the word used
I don’t believe a word he says and would like to hear from all those people he named!
The sadistic and psychopathic killer should have admitted to his brutal murder years ago and done his sentence quietly and left his secondary victims in peace
He won’t be getting out of prison anytime soon that’s for sure
And all the letters the prison receives will be logged on his prison security records, alongside the names of the senders
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Maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered his girlfriend. In the brief time I listened to that nonsense he comes across as a whinging self-centred ****. Did he mention Jodi once? Anyway, well done SPS for their current stance and hopefully ignoring Lean and the muppets who will write to and pray for him.
I think even for his own safety he will not get parole any time soon and would be a risk both to himself and others.
He hasn’t changed
He sounds like a child
Has charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean sent a letter to the prison or is she getting the other flying monkeys to do it?
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The content of flying monkey and fraudster Scott Forbes book won’t have helped the sadistic psycho either
Forbes’s behaviour on behalf of the killer went too far, as if he and his abusive enablers hadn’t gone too far already
Notice how killer Luke Mitchell also doesn’t address any of this but I suspect it will all be noted in his prison security files - which will also be used to assess his risks
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He hasn’t changed
He sounds like a child
Has charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean sent a letter to the prison or is she getting the other flying monkeys to do it?
Lean thinking she's clever using a picture of him as a 14 year old to illicit sympathy shows how desperate she is. If a man was to do that with a 14 year old girl it would be regarded as a seriously unhealthy interest in adolescent children - in this case ones that kill.
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Maybe he should have thought about that before he murdered his girlfriend. In the brief time I listened to that nonsense he comes across as a whinging self-centred ****. Did he mention Jodi once?
He didn’t mention his brother Shane Mitchell either!
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He didn’t mention his brother Shane Mitchell either!
The poor lad has been unceremoniously strip searched after The Slaver posted his prison diaries on YouTube. It's just not fair - 5 prison officers looking for digital contraband. Still it's only HMP Greenock not Guantanamo.
Plus daft Ronnie M suggesting someone should pay the governor a visit at home.
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The poor lad has been unceremoniously strip searched after The Slaver posted his prison diaries on YouTube. It's just not fair - 5 prison officers looking for digital contraband. Still it's only HMP Greenock not Guantanamo.
Plus daft Ronnie M suggesting someone should pay the governor a visit at home.
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The Scottish Prison Service Respond To Security Breaches, Grifter Sandra Lean Is Not A Member Of The Media & Therefore Has Zero Ethics, His Mobile Phone & More On The Murderers 20 Year Psychological Abuse & Torture Campaign of His Secondary Victims & Lies About The Media & Prison Staff (Part 222)
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Looks like you have the grifter well covered. It seems Drama Queen Lean (DQL) is quite happy to endorse a child murderer's prison rights but claims death threats and harassment when someone mentions a house she lived in decades ago etc. Who's recording these calls and passing them to DQL? Not sure if she realises the harder she pushes the worse it gets for her boy, but it's not really about him anyway.
Any value in the "rumours" SF was behind the recent disused building fire to whip up attention. He's gone rather quiet recently for a publicity hungry fantasist.
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Looks like you have the grifter well covered. It seems Drama Queen Lean (DQL) is quite happy to endorse a child murderer's prison rights but claims death threats and harassment when someone mentions a house she lived in decades ago etc. Who's recording these calls and passing them to DQL? Not sure if she realises the harder she pushes the worse it gets for her boy, but it's not really about him anyway.
Any value in the "rumours" SF was behind the recent disused building fire to whip up attention. He's gone rather quiet recently for a publicity hungry fantasist.
He doesn’t do Facebook so you won’t find in there. He has posted some very interesting tweets on Twitter recently though..or has he blocked you?
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Oh my days, lawd almighty! Dq Lean is fleeing justice in her van trying to get across the border before the law catch her. Mitchell back in HMP Shotts for punishment of SL publishing his prison diaries.
Haven't seen the full story but looks like things might be slowing down on the Innocence Fraud grift.
&^&*%
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Oh my days, lawd almighty! Dq Lean is fleeing justice in her van trying to get across the border before the law catch her. Mitchell back in HMP Shotts for punishment of SL publishing his prison diaries.
Haven't seen the full story but looks like things might be slowing down on the Innocence Fraud grift.
&^&*%
what’s occuring?
ETA I’m up to speed now.
Sandra (fugitive on the run) doesn’t appear to know about this
“Telephone – if a prisoner wishes to contact the media by telephone and the call is intended or likely to be published or broadcast by radio or television or posted on the Internet the prisoner must first apply in writing to the Governor for permission. The Governor must decide whether to permit the application in liaison with Press Office. This will only be allowed in exceptional circumstances where the prisoner intends to make serious representations about matters of legitimate public interest affecting prisoners, including where appropriate an alleged miscarriage of justice in the prisoners’ own case, and where the other criteria in Section 3 are met”;
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/899016/psi_2010_37_prisoners_access_to_the_media.pdf
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what’s occuring?
Lean has posted she is leaving Scotland tonight due to Police possibly pursuing her for posting LM's prison phonecalls. It's all on Facebook which I can't access at the moment. It's like Thelma & Louise although she's probably just parked up in Scotts Caravans site having a can and a cig.
Her quote "I'm no use to Luke if I'm locked up"
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Lean has posted she is leaving Scotland tonight due to Police possibly pursuing her for posting LM's prison phonecalls. It's all on Facebook which I can't access at the moment. It's like Thelma & Louise although she's probably just parked up in Scotts Caravans site having a can and a cig.
Her quote "I'm no use to Luke if I'm locked up"
What a drama queen
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Lean has posted she is leaving Scotland tonight due to Police possibly pursuing her for posting LM's prison phonecalls. It's all on Facebook which I can't access at the moment. It's like Thelma & Louise although she's probably just parked up in Scotts Caravans site having a can and a cig.
Her quote "I'm no use to Luke if I'm locked up"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E)
She's losing it/ or what an amateur dramatic masterclass. As you say yourself Sandra - how do you sleep at night knowing you are defending a child murderer? Does anyone really believe someone who was a heavy drug user aged 14 hasn't used drugs in prison until last year. Fairy tales.
Enjoy your weekend in Berwick Clarice. You're not a POA, advocacy worker, solicitor, or journalist so have zero authority to act on his behalf.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ2VLYsHW9E)
She does look slightly unhinged. Do they not have reasonably priced hairdressers in Scotland? Are we supposed to believe what she’s telling us and what Mitchell is telling her?
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She does look slightly unhinged. Do they not have reasonably priced hairdressers in Scotland? Are we supposed to believe what she’s telling us and what Mitchell is telling her?
The back story... https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/midlothian-killer-luke-mitchell-fails-27134179 (https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/midlothian-killer-luke-mitchell-fails-27134179)
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She does look slightly unhinged. Do they not have reasonably priced hairdressers in Scotland? Are we supposed to believe what she’s telling us and what Mitchell is telling her?
It all adds to the nonsense that she's too busy fighting injustices to get a haircut. Sandys in Broughton Street would sort that out in no time, although he likes the clippers. I'm not sure who is more stupid between Mitchell & Lean in thinking they are using each other.
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Scammer Sandra Lean is violating the terms of buymeacoffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/terms
She is on the run from police Scotland for unlawfully publishing material she has obtained unlawfully from a convicted murderer who currently now resides at HMP Shotts in Scotland
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Oh my days, lawd almighty! Dq Lean is fleeing justice in her van trying to get across the border before the law catch her. Mitchell back in HMP Shotts for punishment of SL publishing his prison diaries.
It won’t take police Scotland (or other police force’s) long to catch up with her in the van she told them and her followers all about @)(++(*
Wouldn’t she have been better off using a car?
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Haven't seen the full story but looks like things might be slowing down on the Innocence Fraud grift.
The psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s risks have increased! Although he was always high risk and it looks like an investigation is being carried out to see how he was ever deemed suitable for semi open prison conditions in the first place
He’ll be in closed prison conditions for a few more years now
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She's losing it/ or what an amateur dramatic masterclass. As you say yourself Sandra - how do you sleep at night knowing you are defending a child murderer? Does anyone really believe someone who was a heavy drug user aged 14 hasn't used drugs in prison until last year. Fairy tales.
She’s been pulling stunts like this since 2010
But back then she did it via the telephone as opposed to on livestreams
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It all adds to the nonsense that she's too busy fighting injustices to get a haircut. Sandys in Broughton Street would sort that out in no time, although he likes the clippers. I'm not sure who is more stupid between Mitchell & Lean in thinking they are using each other.
It’s a twisted reciprocal relationship in which both of them have been exposed
Scammer Sandra Lean will now have to communicate with the psycho killer Luke Mitchell via email a prisoner
And if she’s on the run as she alleges, she won’t be making any prison visits anytime soon @)(++(*
All future phone calls between the killer and her will now be monitored
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Scammer Sandra Lean is violating the terms of buymeacoffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/terms
She is on the run from police Scotland for unlawfully publishing material she has obtained unlawfully from a convicted murderer who currently now resides at HMP Shotts in Scotland
Is she trying to raise money for a haircut? I'll donate gladly if it's for that.
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The Scottish Prison Service Respond To Security Breaches, Grifter Sandra Lean Is Not A Member Of The Media & Therefore Has Zero Ethics, His Mobile Phone & More On The Murderers 20 Year Psychological Abuse & Torture Campaign of His Secondary Victims & Lies About The Media & Prison Staff (Part 222)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/14/killer-luke-mitchell-the-scottish-prison-service-respond-to-security-breaches-enabler-grifter-sandra-lean-who-is-not-a-member-of-the-media-has-zero-ethics-the-murderers-20-year-psycholo/
Con-Artist Sandra Lean’s Latest Dirty Tricks & Lies, Shilling For The Actual, Factual, Guilty Psychopathic Murderer Who Was Said To Look Like “Shaggy” From Skooby Doo (Part 223)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/16/killer-luke-mitchell-con-artist-sandra-leans-latest-dirty-tricks-shilling-for-the-actual-factual-guilty-psychopathic-murderer-who-was-said-to-look-like-shaggy-from-skoob/
Twisted Reciprocal Relationships: Actual, Factual, Guilty Murderer Luke Mitchell Says “Put It All Out There” Whilst Scammer & “Fugitive” Sandra Lean Claims She Is On The Run From Police Scotland In The Van She Has Allegedly Already Told Them & The Public All About (Part 224)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/17/killer-luke-mitchell-actual-factual-guilty-murderer-says-put-it-all-out-there-whilst-scammer-fugitive-sandra-lean-claims-she-is-on-the-run-from-police-scot/
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Scammer Sandra Lean is violating the terms of buymeacoffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/terms
She is on the run from police Scotland for unlawfully publishing material she has obtained unlawfully from a convicted murderer who currently now resides at HMP Shotts in Scotland
She is all over the place with this. If no laws have been broken, according to her, then why go on the run? Secondly, begging for money for "creating justice, fairness and accountability" yet not standing up for her own actions and accountability by running away.
There's no way she went to police about her van being tracked last month, just more drama. Plus posting uncomplimentary videos about Police Scotland might not help her case.
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She is all over the place with this. If no laws have been broken, according to her, then why go on the run? Secondly, begging for money for "creating justice, fairness and accountability" yet not standing up for her own actions and accountability by running away.
There's no way she went to police about her van being tracked last month, just more drama. Plus posting uncomplimentary videos about Police Scotland might not help her case.
Presumably she thinks there is a Scottish conspiracy to silence her and keep Luke locked up forever. 🙄
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By the way, how does fleeing to England prevent Sottish criminals from being arrested? Does it work the other way too? If the police are looking to arrest me for a hit and run can I evade justice by moving to Scotland?
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Is this from his recorded phone conversation?
Jodi Jones killer Luke Mitchell boasts about Five Guys trip in prison interview
Chris TaylorHarry WilliamsonUpdated: 16:52, 17 Jun 2023
JODI Jones’ murderer Luke Mitchell boasted about eating at burger chain Five Guys during a secret prison trip on a packed bank holiday.
The killer, 34, mingled among unsuspecting shoppers during a visit out of HMP Greenock to Glasgow.
He has been enjoying the hush-hush two-hour-long jollies for months — and even begged to visit his mum near where the tragic teen’s body was found.
The fiend was caged for a minimum of 20 years for the slaying of his girlfriend Jodi, 14, two decades ago this month and could be released in just 24 months or so.
Mitchell detailed his restaurant jaunt and a number of other trips in a fresh series of interviews.
He said: “It was to Glasgow.
“It went alright.
“It was a bank holiday, it was fairly packed.
“It was a bit odd being out and about around that many people just milling around doing their own thing.
“Doing something completely different to what I have been used to for the last nearly two decades.
“I went out and got some food.
“I actually went to Five Guys to visit that for the first time.
“That was a good day out.”
Mitchell has been enjoying supervised visits from the nick since at least last year.
He is able to rub shoulders with clueless members of the public on shopping outings, museum tours or meet-ups at relatives’ homes.
The lag has visited a number of shops, but has been banned from visiting his mum’s home over fears it could upset neighbours.
Mitchell bragged about strolling ahead of his guards during one outing.
He added: “I went on a shopping trip.
“It was an odd experience for me just out and about with two GeoAmey escort staff trailing behind me.
“I visited a few shops — bought some toiletries, bought some games, bought some food.
“I kind of moved everywhere at a fast-forwarded pace just with the excitement of it.
“It was a tiring experience, I didn’t realise how much until I got back to the hall.
“It was exhausting.
“But it went good and I felt good about it.”
Mitchell revealed he has pleaded to visit his mum in a more than two-hour long interview recorded behind bars and uploaded to the internet.
He says she has left the area where he grew up.
But a social worker has refused to sign-off the trips amid concerns for her neighbours and Jodi’s family.
Mitchell says he was told “we don’t know what kind of reaction the community would have” to him “stepping out of a security van.
He moaned: “Due to my mother’s ill health, her coming out here to visit is extremely difficult.
I would like to use my time to visit with my mother and spend some time with her.
“They’re carried out in unmarked cars.
“The staff wear nondescript uniforms.
“There’s nothing to identify who we were or anything like that.
“I look completely different to how I do in all the pictures that are used of me.
“My question is how are people going to recognise who I am?”
Schoolgirl Jodi’s half-naked body was found in woodland in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in June 2003.
She had died from stab and slash wounds to her neck and body.
Mitchell, then also aged 14, led cops to her body.
A jury found him guilty of murdering her — which he has always denied.
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By the way, how does fleeing to England prevent Sottish criminals from being arrested? Does it work the other way too? If the police are looking to arrest me for a hit and run can I evade justice by moving to Scotland?
It doesn't. You would just get arrested and returned to your local police force. Lean broadcasting everything before she went on the run suggests a degree of theatrics. I'm sure they'll just wait for her to come back to have a word rather than waste petrol tracking her down.
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He moaned: “Due to my mother’s ill health, her coming out here to visit is extremely difficult.
I would like to use my time to visit with my mother and spend some time with her.
“They’re carried out in unmarked cars.
“The staff wear nondescript uniforms.
“There’s nothing to identify who we were or anything like that.
“I look completely different to how I do in all the pictures that are used of me.
“My question is how are people going to recognise who I am?”
Schoolgirl Jodi’s half-naked body was found in woodland in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in June 2003.
She had died from stab and slash wounds to her neck and body.
Mitchell, then also aged 14, led cops to her body.
A jury found him guilty of murdering her — which he has always denied.
If he genuinely wanted to visit his mother
Why did he self sabotage and get himself sent back to closed prison conditions
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Don’t Laugh.. Sandra Lean Is On The Run In Her Camper Van & Says Police Scotland Might Lock Her Up!
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https://youtu.be/_kiF4hpYc34
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Don’t Laugh.. Sandra Lean Is On The Run In Her Camper Van & Says Police Scotland Might Lock Her Up!
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https://youtu.be/_kiF4hpYc34
Is con-artist and scammer Sandra Lean really driving around England in a van with Midlothian council on it or has she covered the sign printing with a curtain?
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Welsh Murderer Michael (Mike) O’Brien, “Patron” To Mass Murderer, Child Killer, Rapist & Coercive Controller Jeremy Bamber’s Innocence Fraud Spin Campaign, Jumps On Board The Scottish Killers Gravy Train Scam (Part 225)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/18/killer-luke-mitchell-welsh-murderer-michael-obrien-patron-to-mass-murderer-child-killer-rapist-coercive-controller-jeremy-bamber-innocence-fraud-spin-campaign-jum/
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Oh my days, lawd almighty! Dq Lean is fleeing justice in her van trying to get across the border before the law catch her. Mitchell back in HMP Shotts for punishment of SL publishing his prison diaries.
Liar Sandra Lean was never fleeing the area
It’s another one of her scams
She’s still in the area
She slipped her during her live video
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Liar Sandra Lean was never fleeing the area
It’s another one of her scams
She’s still in the area
She slipped her during her live video
What did she let slip? I find it hard to watch her, she looks wired drinking all that coffee people have bought her.
Probably just been up to Portobello beach for the day.
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Last night's On The Run update 2... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np__jXcvyT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np__jXcvyT8)
The Sun article which Sandra Lean lambasts...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10835742/luke-mitchell-boasts-five-guys-trip-prison/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10835742/luke-mitchell-boasts-five-guys-trip-prison/)
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https://www.buymeacoffee.com/report
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What did she let slip? I find it hard to watch her, she looks wired drinking all that coffee people have bought her.
Probably just been up to Portobello beach for the day.
Partial Transcript Of Murderers Flying Monkey & Rabble Rouser Sandra Lean & Her Sunday 18th June 2023 Gaslighting & Word Salad Video (Part 227)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/19/killer-luke-mitchell-partial-transcribe-of-murderers-flying-monkey-scammer-sandra-lean-her-sunday-18th-june-2023-gaslighting-video-part-227/
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Partial Transcript Of Murderers Flying Monkey & Rabble Rouser Sandra Lean & Her Sunday 18th June 2023 Gaslighting & Word Salad Video (Part 227)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/19/killer-luke-mitchell-partial-transcribe-of-murderers-flying-monkey-scammer-sandra-lean-her-sunday-18th-june-2023-gaslighting-video-part-227/
Does SL have pictures of the killer (as a younger man) up in her sleeping quarters?
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Does SL have pictures of the killer (as a younger man) up in her sleeping quarters?
Is that her “sleeping quarters” or someone else’s?
How many people had that banner at the “protest”?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/29/killer-luke-mitchell-partial-transcript-of-james-hunter-alan-carrick-from-united-sk8s-ltd-podcast-gaslighter-sandra-lean-on-the-weird-story-about-the-note-through-the-do/
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Is that her “sleeping quarters” or someone else’s?
How many people had that banner at the “protest”?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/29/killer-luke-mitchell-partial-transcript-of-james-hunter-alan-carrick-from-united-sk8s-ltd-podcast-gaslighter-sandra-lean-on-the-weird-story-about-the-note-through-the-do/
Why, you trying to ‘track her down’?
I wish her all the best and hope she gets lots of coffees to keep her going!
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Does SL have pictures of the killer (as a younger man) up in her sleeping quarters?
I assume the pictures are for the purpose of the videos…
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Psycho killer Luke Mitchell & his innocence fraud spin campaign mentioned here
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https://www.youtube.com/live/3aAZJIrrxmY?feature=share
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Why, you trying to ‘track her down’?
That green paint looked familiar
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Scammers Scott Forbes, Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton, Sandra Lean & Their Regurgitated Nonsense & Innocence Fraud From The WAP Website 2010 (Part 228)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/20/killer-luke-mitchell-scammers-scott-forbes-un-convicted-baby-killer-billy-middleton-sandra-lean-their-regurgitated-nonsense-from-2010-the-wap-website-part-228/
More On Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton & Their Regurgitated 2010 Nonsense From The WAP Website On The Undated Circumstantial DNA (Part 229)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/20/killer-luke-mitchell-more-on-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-their-regurgitated-2010-nonsense-from-the-wap-website-on-the-undated-circumstantial-dna-part/
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Scammer Sandra Lean pretending to forget about what’s she’s previously said on the actual, factual guilty killers sentence
Sandra Lean
I'm so sorry to hear this. As I've said before, the sentence is supposed to be the punishment - where do prison personnel get the idea that they are somehow "authorised" to heap further "punishment" on the prisoners in their care? Remember what they kept telling Luke - we have to treat you as if you ARE guilty? OK, well, they need to treat prisoners EXACTLY as they're supposed to be treated, then - with respect, mindful of their right to progression within the correct timescales, supported through the final stages of their incarceration so that they come back into society well rounded and prepared.
I fully understand your reluctance to be identified, and support that decision 100%. Although our members are very fair minded and understanding, we know there are moles in the group and I wouldn't want to see you subjected to the awful treatment you suffered before.
Thank you for posting and making it known that this is going on in prisons across Scotland - it's important that people know. Good luck for the future, for you and your family member.
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Partial Transcript Of Murderers Flying Monkey & Rabble Rouser Sandra Lean & Her Sunday 18th June 2023 Gaslighting & Word Salad Video (Part 227)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/19/killer-luke-mitchell-partial-transcribe-of-murderers-flying-monkey-scammer-sandra-lean-her-sunday-18th-june-2023-gaslighting-video-part-227/
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Mark Heron From L&B Identification Branch, Forensic Officer Derek Scrimger, Police Photographer Alan Murray & Scammers Corinne Mitchell & Sandra Lean & Their 2010 Gaslighting & Innocence Fraud Nonsense From The WAP Forum, Armed Bank Robber William Beck Aka Big Wullie & Groundhog Day With Internet Connection (Part 231)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/21/killer-luke-mitchell-mark-heron-from-lb-identification-branch-forensic-officer-derek-scrimger-scammers-corinne-mitchell-sandra-lean-their-2010-gaslighting-innocence-frau/
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More On Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton & Their Regurgitated 2010 Nonsense From The WAP Website On The Undated Circumstantial DNA (Part 229)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/20/killer-luke-mitchell-more-on-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-their-regurgitated-2010-nonsense-from-the-wap-website-on-the-undated-circumstantial-dna-part/
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Innocence Fraud Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton From WAP On Actually, Factually Guilty Psychopathic Murderer Adrian Prout & Messages From Mothers Of Murderers, Carol Toal & Corinne Mitchell (Part 232)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/21/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-on-actually-factually-guilty-psychopathic-murderer-adrian-prout-messages-fro/
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Sandra Lean (27th June 2023)
Lynette Morrison Maria Shevlin Nicola Brennan Michelle Mulligan Heather Dempsey Carol Rice Mcmillan Kirsty Brown Biffy Mackay John Anderson Heather Brunt Caroline Ramsay Marie Milne Tracey Struthers Kareen Kenny
Can I just take this opportunity to thank very single one of you for the patient, compassionate and restrained manner in which you dealt with the obvious provocation of a couple of posters today. This is what it means to have free speech. I was concerned that there may be some negativity directed towards the original anonymous poster, from some who are in this group for all the wrong reasons - you guys took care of that situation spectacularly. It's such a weight off my mind - and the minds of those in the admin teams, across all the groups, who work so hard to keep everything factual and to protect genuine members from abuse - to know that you all were willing to jump in today and prevent an unfortunate situation escalating into something much worse. And it's an outstanding example of everyone standing together to do the right thing. Thank you, I applaud every one of you.
To the original anonymous poster, I apologise for the negative posters, but I hope you feel acknowledged and supported by all our genuine members. I can assure you, YOU did not cause any upset or unpleasantness here - I believe you did an enormously courageous thing in posting to highlight how common this type of abuse of prisoners is.
For these reasons, I'm asking the admin team NOT to remove this thread - I'd like it to remain here as testament to how reasonable, compassionate and committed our group members are.
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Where have all the original group members gone?
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Let’s Hangout & Talk About #Oceangate
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https://www.youtube.com/live/7pMqSpiS[Name removed]A?feature=share
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Sounds like What They Found are doing another video on psycho killer Luke Mitchell
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https://youtu.be/etFW_OYgTww
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Questions, hmmm.
Why is SL grifting for coffee when she’s been ‘Pro Bono’ all these years? Why would anyone contact her in the first place instead of a professional to seek legal advice or representation? Why did CM (not the best judge of character perhaps) contact her? It can’t be her 20 year track record of zero success unless she calls success keeping her own name/face at the forefront of the Mitchell campaign without a shred of credible evidence to enable the case to move forward.
You’d almost think she was messing up on purpose to keep the grift going.
Her misinformation is legendary, from Mark K being responsible to now Joe, from SK being the Stocky Man now to Joe. The Da Vinci rapist etc. The drama is relentless, from false accusations of threats against her adult children and owners of her old house to “fleeing” justice in a campervan. The useless Change.org petition and the vanity project protests where she addresses the flock and scorns the infidels. No wonder LM can’t catch a break (even if he could).
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It Is NOT SAFE For The Psychopathic Murderer To Have Community Access, Killers “Attitude” Called Into Question & Scammer Sandra Lean Is Pretending Exposing The “Cold, Calculating” Murderers Psychopathy Was A Good Idea (Part 233)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/23/killer-luke-mitchell-it-is-not-safe-for-the-psychopathic-murderer-to-have-community-access-his-attitude-is-called-into-question-scammer-sandra-lean-is-pretending-exposin/
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Questions, hmmm.
Why is SL grifting for coffee
Did you notice scammer Sandra Lean says re: her Buy Me A Coffee grift, she’s now pretending she’s “working” on other cases *&^^&
In contraction to what she’s been saying publicly - for a long time *&^^&
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Did you notice scammer Sandra Lean says re: her Buy Me A Coffee grift, she’s now pretending she’s “working” on other cases *&^^&
In contraction to what she’s been saying publicly - for a long time *&^^&
Probably "working" appealing parking tickets and library book fines at most.
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What's the point then?
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Charlatan Sandra Lean Has Zero Credibility, Her Continuous Lies & Gaslighting, Including About Innocent Steven Kelly, Cara Sulieman’s 2010 Article For Deadline News & The Defunct WAP Website & Un-Convicted Baby Killer Billy Middleton (Part 7)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-7/
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Scammer Sandra Lean Waits Almost 20 Years To Mention The CCTV Camera’s At Her Eldest Daughters High School & Now People Are Pretending The Camera’s Were “Overlooking The Crime Scene” (Part 234)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/25/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-waits-almost-20-years-to-mention-the-cctv-cameras-at-her-eldest-daughters-high-school-now-people-are-pretending-the-cameras-were/
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Scammer Sandra Lean is violating the terms of buymeacoffee https://www.buymeacoffee.com/terms
More drama. Her Buy Me Coffee account has been disabled, what a shame she'll be back on the Nescafe Instant. Hint: if you were any good at what you do someone might employ you instead of grifting.
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More drama. Her Buy Me Coffee account has been disabled, what a shame she'll be back on the Nescafe Instant. Hint: if you were any good at what you do someone might employ you instead of grifting.
Dr Lean still living rent free in your head. Hilarious.
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Dr Lean still living rent free in your head. Hilarious.
You’re in no position to make such an observation. Your obsession with the McCanns has lasted the best part of 16 years, but now, nearly 19 thousand posts later it seems Luke Mitchell is now occupying the headspace you once gave to them.
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More drama. Her Buy Me Coffee account has been disabled, what a shame she'll be back on the Nescafe Instant. Hint: if you were any good at what you do someone might employ you instead of grifting.
Lots of people want to support her and I’m sure they will find a way. Maybe not through one of these platforms if they keep getting shutdown but they will still find a way to ‘donate’. I believe it’s being appealed so fingers crossed she can still get it sorted out.
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Rapist, Registered Sex Offender, Abuser & Innocence Fraudster Sean Parker (Aka Benjamin/Ben William Parker) Of Defunct SeaFish Bar In Bognor Regis Promotes Bare Faced Liar & Scammer Sandra Lean & Her & Teen Murderers Innocence Fraud On “Special” Anniversary (Part 235)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/killer-luke-mitchell-rapist-abuser-innocence-fraudster-sean-parker-promotes-bare-faced-liar-scammer-sandra-lean-her-teen-murderers-innocence-fraud-on-special/
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LATEST: Killin’ time 4 - Luke Mitchell, teen killer! By What They Found
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/youtube-video-killin-time-4-luke-mitchell-teen-killer-by-what-they-found/
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Rapist, Registered Sex Offender, Abuser & Innocence Fraudster Sean Parker (Aka Ben Parker) Of Defunct SeaFish Bar In Bognor Regis Promotes Bare Faced Liar & Scammer Sandra Lean & Her & Teen Murderers Innocence Fraud On “Special” Anniversary (Part 235)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/killer-luke-mitchell-rapist-abuser-innocence-fraudster-sean-parker-promotes-bare-faced-liar-scammer-sandra-lean-her-teen-murderers-innocence-fraud-on-special/ (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/killer-luke-mitchell-rapist-abuser-innocence-fraudster-sean-parker-promotes-bare-faced-liar-scammer-sandra-lean-her-teen-murderers-innocence-fraud-on-special/)
Sandra Lean does have an unfortunate tendency to hang around with some unsavoury characters, doesn't she?...
https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/ (https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc)
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Rapist, Registered Sex Offender, Abuser & Innocence Fraudster Sean Parker (Aka Benjamin/Ben William Parker) Of Defunct SeaFish Bar In Bognor Regis Promotes Bare Faced Liar & Scammer Sandra Lean & Her & Teen Murderers Innocence Fraud On “Special” Anniversary (Part 235)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/killer-luke-mitchell-rapist-abuser-innocence-fraudster-sean-parker-promotes-bare-faced-liar-scammer-sandra-lean-her-teen-murderers-innocence-fraud-on-special/
Rapist Sean Parker & Scorpio Rising
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https://youtu.be/wmk5I5XiE_0
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Sandra Lean does have an unfortunate tendency to hang around with some unsavoury characters, doesn't she?...
https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/ (https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc)
She chose to record this on the 20th year anniversary of Jodi's murder despite stating publicly it would be a time for reflection. I have no doubts she is absolutely barking and can't help herself, although I can't prove that, just my opinion, but her recent actions may confirm that.
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She chose to record this on the 20th year anniversary of Jodi's murder despite stating publicly it would be a time for reflection. I have no doubts she is absolutely barking and can't help herself, although I can't prove that, just my opinion, but her recent actions may confirm that.
Psychotic like Joe (too familiar?) or just every day barking?
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Psychotic like Joe (too familiar?) or just every day barking?
Joe who? Steele? IMO, she looks unhinged - fleeing justice in a camper van with posters of a teenage child killer behind her, then interviewing a convicted rapist and registered sex offender (on the anniversary of Jodi's murder) might suggest she doesn't have a full grasp of reality. I'm sure you know better.
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Joe who? Steele? IMO, she looks unhinged - fleeing justice in a camper van with posters of a teenage child killer behind her, then interviewing a convicted rapist and registered sex offender (on the anniversary of Jodi's murder) might suggest she doesn't have a full grasp of reality. I'm sure you know better.
Joe Jones or Joseph as those personally unfamiliar with him tend to call him.
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Joe Jones or Joseph as those personally unfamiliar with him tend to call him.
Sorry don't know him personally and not sure what your point is. What are you actually doing to help Mitchell or are you just posting on a forum? Have you signed the petition or written to SPS?
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Sorry don't know him personally and not sure what your point is. What are you actually doing to help Mitchell or are you just posting on a forum? Have you signed the petition or written to SPS?
Apologies I didn’t mean to suggest that you know Joseph personally. I was always of the opinion that you stalk Dr Lean and her every utterance simply because it gives your life some purpose. I’ve never thought for one minute that you had any skin in the game.
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Apologies I didn’t mean to suggest that you know Joseph personally. I was always of the opinion that you stalk Dr Lean and her every utterance simply because it gives your life some purpose. I’ve never thought for one minute that you had any skin in the game.
Considering you replied to my first post for a few days within 10 mins, maybe you should have a look closer to home. It's my opinion Lean is an unhinged lunatic falsely accusing the victim's family and colluding with convicted rapists and sex offenders. I will continue to highlight her childish lies and nonsense if that's ok with you.
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Considering you replied to my first post for a few days within 10 mins, maybe you should have a look closer to home. It's my opinion Lean is an unhinged lunatic falsely accusing the victim's family and colluding with convicted rapists and sex offenders. I will continue to highlight her childish lies and nonsense if that's ok with you.
You’re right, you’re right, I really shouldn’t give your posts legitimacy by answering them.
Lesson learned.
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Sandra Lean does have an unfortunate tendency to hang around with some unsavoury characters, doesn't she?...
https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/ (https://www.bognorregispost.co.uk/2018/03/man-jailed-sex-attacks-bar/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNYaXmn5cpc)
You can tell alot about a person by the company they keep.
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Rapist, Registered Sex Offender, Abuser & Innocence Fraudster Sean Parker (Aka Benjamin/Ben William Parker) Of Defunct SeaFish Bar In Bognor Regis Promotes Bare Faced Liar & Scammer Sandra Lean & Her & Teen Murderers Innocence Fraud On “Special” Anniversary (Part 235)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/01/killer-luke-mitchell-rapist-abuser-innocence-fraudster-sean-parker-promotes-bare-faced-liar-scammer-sandra-lean-her-teen-murderers-innocence-fraud-on-special/
https://twitter.com/SomeApollo/status/1606338329930244097
https://twitter.com/SomeApollo/status/1598775097527078912
https://twitter.com/SomeApollo/status/1613172887761960960
https://twitter.com/SomeApollo/status/1622314326689185793
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/seanparker100_false-allegations-forum-faf-activity-7071890967603113985-Q1KU
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LATEST Killin’ time 5 - Luke Mitchell, teen killer! Criminals vs Lizard People By What They Found
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/03/youtube-video-killin-time-5-luke-mitchell-teen-killer-by-what-they-found/
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Killer Luke Mitchell’s Motley Crew: Registered Sex Offender & Convicted Rapist Sean Bw Parker, Scammer Sandra Lean & The Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Groomer Michael Naughton Aka “Empowering The Innocent” Of Bristol University - Actual, Factual, Guilty Killer Simon Hall’s Former Representative (Part 237)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/03/killer-luke-mitchells-motley-crew-registered-sex-offender-convicted-rapist-sean-bw-parker-scammer-sandra-lean-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-groomer-michael-naughton-aka/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Murderers Toxic Innocence Fraud Enabler George ‘Geo’ Fergie Aka George Ferguson Admits To His Guilt - Part 238
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/04/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-toxic-innocence-fraud-enabler-george-fergie-admits-to-his-guilt-part-238/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Why Don’t Scammer Sandra Lean’s Adult Daughters Skooby & Chi Support Their Mothers Public Relations Spin Campaign To Free The Sadistic & Psychopathic Murderer? (Part 239)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/04/killer-luke-mitchell-why-dont-scammer-sandra-leans-adult-daughters-skooby-chi-support-their-mothers-public-relations-spin-campaign-to-free-the-sadistic-psychopathic-murd/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Murderers Enabler & Deluded Dupe Kareen Kenny Shows Her Contempt Towards A Woman She Has Never Met (Part 240)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/04/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-enabler-deluded-dupe-kareen-kenny-shows-her-contempt-towards-a-woman-she-has-never-met-part-240/
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Murderers Enabler & Deluded Dupe Michelle Mulligan Does Not Recognise The Fact She Is Being Lied To By The Killer & Scammer Sandra Lean (Part 241)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-enabler-deluded-dupe-michelle-mulligan-does-not-recognise-the-fact-she-is-being-lied-to-by-the-killer-scammer-sandra-lean-part-241/
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Who is ‘name removed’?
Standing next to [Name removed] not his father. Both of them together attending the gig I believe with other family members.
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Standing next to [Name removed] not his father. Both of them together attending the gig I believe with other family members.
It's doing it again. LM with his girlfriend of that time! Attended the gig together as said many other times.
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That gig on the 13th of June, and as has been confirmed, not one but two people who actually recorded it - Front of stage far right in front. LM with [Name removed] by his side, he is wearing that army style, khaki jacket! - Perhaps now with all falling flat yet again, that footage may very well make its way into the public domain, fully!
Was “footage” showed to the jury or stills from the footage like in killer Simon Hall’s February 2003 trial?
The CCTV stills are mentioned in the judges summing up here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/transcript-of-judges-summing-up-r-v-simon-john-hall/
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Murderers Enabler Stephenson Skoenies Tracii Seemingly Oblivious To Registered Sex Offender & Convicted Rapist Sean Parker (Part 242)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-enabler-stephenson-skoenies-tracii-seemingly-oblivious-to-registered-sex-offender-convicted-rapist-sean-parker-part-242/
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Scammer Sandra Lean’s Flying Monkey & Deluded Dupe Lynette Morrison (Part 243)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-leans-flying-monkey-deluded-dupe-lynette-morrison-part-243/
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Murderers Enabler & Deluded Dupe Liz Mcilroy Shows Her Contempt Towards A Family She Has Never Met (Part 244)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-enabler-deluded-dupe-liz-mcilroy-shows-her-contempt-towards-a-family-she-has-never-met-part-244/
Murderers Enabler Caroline Ramsey Also Oblivious To Registered Sex Offender & Convicted Rapist Sean Parker (Part 245)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-enabler-caroline-ramsey-also-oblivious-to-registered-sex-offender-convicted-rapist-sean-parker-part-245/
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Was “footage” showed to the jury or stills from the footage like in killer Simon Hall’s February 2003 trial?
The CCTV stills are mentioned in the judges summing up here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/transcript-of-judges-summing-up-r-v-simon-john-hall/
Scammer Sandra Lean omitted the CCTV stills from her 1st innocence fraud book
See page 72 here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/
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Scammer Sandra Lean omitted the CCTV stills from her 1st innocence fraud book
See page 72 here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/20/copy-of-chapter-5-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-book-smoke-mirrors-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-guilty-killer-simon-hall/
Why has scammer Sandra Lean spent 20 years choosing to not refer to killer Luke Mitchell’s other missing clothing items and footwear?
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Gordon Graham
They hadn’t done a thorough investigation to start with and they had used social media(as good as it was at the time) to try and establish a lead. That didn’t occur so they where under extreme pressure to get a culprit
Jean Douglas Armstrong
They weren't interested in the facts.
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/05/killer-luke-mitchell-deluded-dupe-dawn-taylor-does-not-recognise-the-fact-she-is-being-lied-to-by-the-killer-scammer-sandra-lean-part-246/
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It's doing it again. LM with his girlfriend of that time! Attended the gig together as said many other times.
Show us the proof.
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It's doing it again. LM with his girlfriend of that time! Attended the gig together as said many other times.
There was a photograph of killer Simon Hall wearing the shirt he disposed of the day after he committed his murder
Scammer Sandra Lean made no mention of that in her book either
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/06/quite-a-hall-tale-part-5-%ef%b8%8f/
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Abuser, Fraudster, Fake “Lawyer” & “Peabrain” Scott C Forbes Aka Govan G51/G5191 & His Latest Bare Faced Lies & Defamation (Part 247)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/06/killer-luke-mitchell-abuser-fraudster-fake-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-aka-govan-g51-g5191-his-latest-bare-faced-lies-defamation-part-247/
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Abuser, Fraudster, Fake “Lawyer” & “Peabrain” Scott C Forbes Aka Govan G51/G5191 & His Latest Bare Faced Lies & Defamation (Part 247)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/06/killer-luke-mitchell-abuser-fraudster-fake-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-aka-govan-g51-g5191-his-latest-bare-faced-lies-defamation-part-247/
Not sure if Forbes move into politics to gain some traction for his LM campaign is working. They can spot a fellow bullshitter a mile away. Victimising and bullying innocent people since 2003 (at least) to keep himself in the public eye isn't a great look when you don't have anything to back it up.
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My, my it’s tedious waiting for Parky to provide proof.
While we’re waiting I’ll tell you an interesting anecdote about the time I saw a photograph of Luke and his mother sitting watching tv at the very time he was supposed to be committing a horrendous murder.
Do you believe it? Of course you don’t. Why not? Perhaps because there is no tangible proof of such a photograph existing?
Do you see where I’m going here?
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My, my it’s tedious waiting for Parky to provide proof.
While we’re waiting I’ll tell you an interesting anecdote about the time I saw a photograph of Luke and his mother sitting watching tv at the very time he was supposed to be committing a horrendous murder.
Do you believe it? Of course you don’t. Why not? Perhaps because there is no tangible proof of such a photograph existing?
Do you see where I’m going here?
Who took the photograph? Shane was upstairs and Corinne was out in the garden. There's a high chance that people at concert would be more likely to take a photo to capture the experience than sitting at home watching TV. I'm sure it was established in court 8-10 people stated they saw LM with a parka before the murder, regardless of a photograph.
You seem to grasp at the most insignificant details on a four time proven guilty verdict/closed case. Why has there been no movement legally on this in 10 years?
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Why has there been no movement legally on this in 10 years?
This should be seen as a condemnation of the criminal justice system in Scotland, in particular of the toothlessness of the SCCRC. I am providing a link to a retrospective of wrongful convictions in Canada. "The following broad themes emerge out of the commissions of inquiry in Canada:
Miscarriages of justice are inevitably the result of a multitude of inappropriate actions by a number of people, and solutions are usually rooted in the attitudes, practices and culture of the various participants who exercise authority in the criminal justice system.6
"Some problems, themes and mistakes arise time and time again, both in Canada and elsewhere. They are not confined to proceedings in the courtroom, but relate also to the conduct of police, Crown prosecutors, defence lawyers, judges and forensic scientists.7"
On page 13 is a discussion of faulty eyewitness testimony.
https://www.millerthomson.com/assets/files/article_attachments/Wrongful_Convictions_in_Canada.pdf
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14 Year Old Teenage killers Luke Muir Mitchell (Scotland, UK) & Aiden Sean Fucci (Florida, USA) - Part 248
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/07/14-year-old-teenage-murderers-luke-muir-mitchell-scotland-uk-aiden-sean-fucci-florida-usa-part-248/
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This should be seen as a condemnation of the criminal justice system in Scotland, in particular of the toothlessness of the SCCRC
Publish the 200 page SCCRC statement of reasons
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LIVE - Free Psycho Killer Luke Mitchell!
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https://www.youtube.com/live/jdnEhnxx1JA?feature=share
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“Behind The Scenes” With Scammer Sandra Lean & Registered Sex Offender & Convicted Rapist Sean Parker & Their Innocence Fraud (Part 249)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/07/killer-luke-mitchell-behind-the-scenes-with-scammer-sandra-lean-registered-sex-offender-convicted-rapist-sean-parker-their-innocence-fraud-part-249/
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An Update From Scammer Sandra Lean’s Flying Monkey & Deluded Dupe Lynette Morrison & HMIPS (Part 250)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/08/killer-luke-mitchell-an-update-from-scammer-sandra-leans-flying-monkey-deluded-dupe-lynette-morrison-part-250/
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With respect to this case, I do not believe that the entire report has ever been made public. My comment upthread was more general. In 2010 a new provision was added to the those governing the SCCRC. "In determining whether or not it is in the interests of justice that a reference should be made, the Commission must have regard to the need for finality and certainty in the determination of criminal proceedings."
This provision is an invitation to ignore all but the most egregious wrongful convictions. The need for finality can become a pretext for a system that wishes to cover up its errors.
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With respect to this case, I do not believe that the entire report has ever been made public. My comment upthread was more general. In 2010 a new provision was added to the those governing the SCCRC. "In determining whether or not it is in the interests of justice that a reference should be made, the Commission must have regard to the need for finality and certainty in the determination of criminal proceedings."
This provision is an invitation to ignore all but the most egregious wrongful convictions. The need for finality can become a pretext for a system that wishes to cover up its errors.
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If you want finality, ask Lean to publish the SCCRC reasons or LM's 22 page statement. Lean and Forbes are done now, primarily because they couldn't keep their mouths shut and making it all about them.
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If you want finality, ask Lean to publish the SCCRC reasons or LM's 22 page statement. Lean and Forbes are done now, primarily because they couldn't keep their mouths shut and making it all about them.
https://www.barandbench.com/columns/the-origins-of-justice-must-be-seen-to-be-done
Why doesn't the SCCRC publish their report? “'Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done'. This dictum was laid down by Lord Hewart, the then Lord Chief Justice of England in the case of Rex v. Sussex Justices, [1924] 1 KB 256." The particulars in that case are different from the particulars of this case, but the principle has broad applicability.
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https://www.barandbench.com/columns/the-origins-of-justice-must-be-seen-to-be-done
Why doesn't the SCCRC publish their report? “'Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done'. This dictum was laid down by Lord Hewart, the then Lord Chief Justice of England in the case of Rex v. Sussex Justices, [1924] 1 KB 256." The particulars in that case are different from the particulars of this case, but the principle has broad applicability.
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If you want finality, ask Lean to publish the SCCRC reasons
Along with psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence - which scammer Sandra Lean has hidden from her cult “followers”
20th December 2004: Detective constable Alan Towers Read Killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 Page Written Witness Statement From 1st July 2003 To The Jury
21st December 2004: Jury Heard Killer Luke Mitchell’s Recorded Police Interview From 4th July 2003
24th December 2004: Jury Heard Killer Luke Mitchell’s Recorded Police Interview From 14th August 2003
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Scammer Sandra Lean & The Deception Of Convicted Rapist Sean Bw Parker With The Morphing Of The “Prison Officer” Into the “Prison Governor” (Part 251)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/09/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-the-deception-of-convicted-rapist-sean-bw-parker-the-morphing-of-the-prison-officer-into-the-prison-governor/
Murderers Cult Members & Flying Monkeys Heather Brunt & Karolina Polcik & The Urine Habit (Part 252)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/09/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-cult-members-flying-monkeys-heather-brunt-karolina-polcik-the-urine-habit-part-252/
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke
”During the trial, the majority of the reporting was biased and prejudicial – much of the prosecution evidence was reported in detail, whilst the defence information was kept to an absolute minimum.
This is untrue.
There were numerous witnesses who gave evidence who don’t appear in any media articles
”After the verdict, stories were run about other girls who had apparently been threatened and frightened by Luke in the past, yet these were not presented in court.
This is also untrue.
If Sandra Lean had attended the trial, she would have known that the evidence of many of the witnesses was not reported on
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke
”During the trial, the majority of the reporting was biased and prejudicial – much of the prosecution evidence was reported in detail, whilst the defence information was kept to an absolute minimum.
This is untrue.[/color]
The prosecution evidence also included sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence
Very little of the killers evidence was ever reported on
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & His 4th July & 14th August 2003 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke
”During the trial, the majority of the reporting was biased and prejudicial – much of the prosecution evidence was reported in detail, whilst the defence information was kept to an absolute minimum.
This is untrue.
In reality
it was the prosecutions “information” which “was kept to an absolute minimum”
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20th December 2004: Detective constable Alan Towers Read Killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 Page Written Witness Statement From 1st July 2003 To The Jury
21st December 2004: Jury Heard Killer Luke Mitchell’s Recorded Police Interview From 4th July 2003
24th December 2004: Jury Heard Killer Luke Mitchell’s Recorded Police Interview From 14th August 2003
There was not even the equivalent of one page from sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement published by the media
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Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & His 4th July & 14th August 2003 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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Scammers Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes have claimed that when Corinne Mitchell arrived at Dalkeith police station her killer son Luke Mitchell had been “stripped” and was sat in a paper suit
Yet it is stated that killer Luke Mitchell wasn’t asked about his clothing until after he had written his 22 page written statement
After giving his statement killer Luke Mitchell gave his permission for his clothes to be taken, for him to be checked over and for a blood sample to be taken
From para 159 here https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff85c60d03e7f57ebec57
At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon.
Dr Kranti Hiremath examined killer Luke Mitchell and took fingernail scrapings from him
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Excerpts from Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke
”During the trial, the majority of the reporting was biased and prejudicial – much of the prosecution evidence was reported in detail, whilst the defence information was kept to an absolute minimum. [/i]
The defence arguments dominate in the media
NOT the prosecutions arguments!
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Fake “Lawyer” Scott Forbes Confirms Murderer Had NOT Stayed At Father Philip Mitchell’s House For Weeks (Part 253)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/12/killer-luke-mitchell-fake-lawyer-scott-forbes-confirms-murderer-had-not-stayed-at-father-philip-mitchells-house-for-weeks-part-253/
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Murderers Cult Member Deluded Dupe Danielle Barclay Aka Dani Justice (Part 254)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/12/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-cult-member-deluded-dupe-danielle-barclay-aka-dani-justice-part-254/
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Does anyone remember scammer Sandra Lean’s “one typo” lie
Killer Luke Mitchell: ‘Dangerous Clowns’ & ‘Confident Ignorance’ - Scammers Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes From “Murder In A Small Town” Propaganda TV Show (Part 5)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
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UPDATED
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TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Did the jury get to see any of the “pornographic material” Shane Mitchell was viewing on his password protected computer on the 30th June 2003?
“The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/pc-used-to-access-internet-porn-on-day-that-jodi-died-2509716
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Does anyone remember scammer Sandra Lean’s “one typo” lie
Killer Luke Mitchell: ‘Dangerous Clowns’ & ‘Confident Ignorance’ - Scammers Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes From “Murder In A Small Town” Propaganda TV Show (Part 5)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
SADISTS - The Murderer, His Adoptee Mother Corinne Mitchell & Malignant Narcissist & Armchair Detective Sandra Lean & Her Lackey Side Kick With ‘Balls Of Steel’, Fake Lawyer Scott Forbes (Part 110)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-sadists-the-murderer-his-adoptee-mother-malignant-narcissist-armchair-detective-sandra-lean-her-lackey-side-kick-with-balls-of-steel-part/
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"The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female. Defence solicitor Donald Findlay asked DI Cravens if the image was pornographic. He replied: "To an extent. It’s a very odd picture." Mr Findlay said the image was a "bad taste joke" and asked for the image to be displayed to the court. He added that the image had in fact been downloaded from a motoring website and that many of the other websites that had been accessed referred to automobiles."
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"The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female. Defence solicitor Donald Findlay asked DI Cravens if the image was pornographic. He replied: "To an extent. It’s a very odd picture." Mr Findlay said the image was a "bad taste joke" and asked for the image to be displayed to the court. He added that the image had in fact been downloaded from a motoring website and that many of the other websites that had been accessed referred to automobiles."
Even the idea that a 21 year old man would only watch pornography when no one else was in the house is simply ridiculous. That’s what doors are for.
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"The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female. Defence solicitor Donald Findlay asked DI Cravens if the image was pornographic. He replied: "To an extent. It’s a very odd picture." Mr Findlay said the image was a "bad taste joke" and asked for the image to be displayed to the court. He added that the image had in fact been downloaded from a motoring website and that many of the other websites that had been accessed referred to automobiles."
So Donald Findlay was suggesting Shane Mitchell was masturbating to a “bad taste joke” ?
What did the jury members think of the image?
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Even the idea that a 21 year old man would only watch pornography when no one else was in the house is simply ridiculous. That’s what doors are for.
I agree, yet it is undisputed that Shane had been working on a friend's car that afternoon. Perhaps the reason he was on automotive sites was that he was looking for parts or more information. As we have discussed, the connections to porn sites were only for a few seconds. They might have been pop up ads.
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I agree, yet it is undisputed that Shane had been working on a friend's car that afternoon. Perhaps the reason he was on automotive sites was that he was looking for parts or more information. As we have discussed, the connections to porn sites were only for a few seconds. They might have been pop up ads.
Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this
sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"
"No, " he said.
"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"
Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408308.jodi-trial-brother-alone-in-house-court-hears-porn-admission/
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I agree, yet it is undisputed that Shane had been working on a friend's car that afternoon. Perhaps the reason he was on automotive sites was that he was looking for parts or more information. As we have discussed, the connections to porn sites were only for a few seconds. They might have been pop up ads.
Must be an ejaculatio praecox world record!... a super-quick fumble at a few split-second pop-ups on a car website? Come off it!
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At some point QC Turnbull showed Mr. Mitchell photographs from the crime scene. I infer that Mr. Turnbull was trying to shock Mr. Mitchell. I found a quote from a discussion board that came from The Scotsman: "Mr Mitchell then said: "I think I was masturbating." Shane said this just prior to the portion quoted above, and based on his own words it is unclear whether he was or was not. Maybe he was downloading images for later; I just don't know.
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Reporting Fake “Lawyer” Scott Charles Forbes Self Published Book “A Long Walk to Justice” To Amazon For Defamation (Part 255)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/13/killer-luke-mitchell-reporting-fake-lawyer-scott-charles-forbes-self-published-book-a-long-walk-to-justice-to-amazon-for-defamation-part-255/
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*UPDATED*
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Fake “Lawyer” Scott Forbes Confirms Murderer Had NOT Stayed At Father Philip Mitchell’s House For Weeks (Part 253)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/12/killer-luke-mitchell-fake-lawyer-scott-forbes-confirms-murderer-had-not-stayed-at-father-philip-mitchells-house-for-weeks-part-253/
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At some point QC Turnbull showed Mr. Mitchell photographs from the crime scene. I infer that Mr. Turnbull was trying to shock Mr. Mitchell.
Both Mitchell’s brothers were “showed photographs from the crime scene”
Why would they have “shocked” one brother but not the other?
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A YOUNG barman fled court as he was shown pictures of teenager Jodi Jones's mutilated corpse - shortly before the trial was halted. Barman Steven Kelly, 21, had already been tearful and complained of feeling ill before he rushed out. He had been speaking of the horror of finding 14-year-old Jodi, his fiancee's little sister, dead beside a path. After the lunch break, Steven had composed himself and returned to the witness box. But then judge Lord Nimmo Smith was forced to adjourn the trial for the day after hearing that murder accused Luke Mitchell had been 'physically ill' during the break. Donald Findlay, defending, said his client 'made every effort to return to court'. He added: 'I am, of course, no doctor but I have been round long enough to recognise when a client is not fit enough to concentrate on the evidence.' The judge then agreed to adjourn the case against 16-year-old Mitchell until after the weekend.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Witness+flees+as+Jodi+pics+shown%3B+MURDER+TRIAL+HALTED+AFTER+ACCUSED...-a0126028389
Faithlilly pointed this out a couple of months ago on another thread.
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A YOUNG barman fled court as he was shown pictures of teenager Jodi Jones's mutilated corpse - shortly before the trial was halted. Barman Steven Kelly, 21, had already been tearful and complained of feeling ill before he rushed out. He had been speaking of the horror of finding 14-year-old Jodi, his fiancee's little sister, dead beside a path. After the lunch break, Steven had composed himself and returned to the witness box. But then judge Lord Nimmo Smith was forced to adjourn the trial for the day after hearing that murder accused Luke Mitchell had been 'physically ill' during the break. Donald Findlay, defending, said his client 'made every effort to return to court'. He added: 'I am, of course, no doctor but I have been round long enough to recognise when a client is not fit enough to concentrate on the evidence.' The judge then agreed to adjourn the case against 16-year-old Mitchell until after the weekend.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Witness+flees+as+Jodi+pics+shown%3B+MURDER+TRIAL+HALTED+AFTER+ACCUSED...-a0126028389
This 👆🏽is from the 10th December 2004
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t flinch when he saw the photos and video footage on the 13th November 2004 👇
“Video footage was also shown to the court and copies of the stills were given to the accused”
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This 👆🏽is from the 10th December 2004
Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t flinch when he saw the photos and video footage on the 13th November 2004 👇
“Video footage was also shown to the court and copies of the stills were given to the accused”
Obviously Luke had been badly affected by seeing the horrendous photographs and video of his girlfriend’s mutilated body as he was ‘physically ill ‘ during a break in proceedings.
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More On Liar, Scammer & Fake “Lawyer” Scott Charles Forbes & How He Attempted To Cash In On His Nonsense Of A Story & More On Liar Heather Brunt (Part 256)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/13/killer-luke-mitchell-more-on-liar-scammer-fake-lawyer-scott-charles-forbes-how-he-attempted-to-cash-in-on-his-nonsense-of-a-story-more-on-liar-heather-brunt-part/
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Obviously Luke had been badly affected by seeing the horrendous photographs and video of his girlfriend’s mutilated body as he was ‘physically ill ‘ during a break in proceedings.
Yet no reaction on the 13th November 2004 or any other time during his trial?
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Judith Jones sent the text message at 10:20pm
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean once had the text being sent at 10:39pm
Troll Sandra Lean’s Lies & Nonsense & The Murderers Lies & Nonsense Regarding The 10:20pm Text Message & Some Fundamental Errors In The Appeal Judgement (Part 195)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/01/killer-luke-mitchell-troll-sandra-leans-lies-the-murderers-lies-regarding-the-1020pm-text-message-part-195/
Killer’s TIMELINE
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
This 👇 is what scammer Sandra Lean stated before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website
“Mrs Jones texted Luke’s phone at 10.38pm with a message for Jodi, who had been supposed to be home by 10pm. Luke called Mrs Jones back at 10.40pm to say he had not seen Jodi all evening (the call lasting approximately 2 minutes.) Mrs Jones said she would call round Jodi’s friends to find out where she was, and, 10 minutes later, called Luke back in tears to say Jodi was not with any of her friends, and that she (Mrs Jones) was calling the police.
10 minutes later from 10:40pm would have been 10:50pm
Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm
Steven Kelly first indicated he, Janine Jones and Alice Walker left the house (Alice Walker’s house) at around 10:45pm
Sandra Lean also stated (before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website);
“..the family search party left the house by 10.45pm, having had at least two phone calls back and forth with Mrs Jones. They had also all had to get dressed, as they were ready for bed, and find torches in this time
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury re her killer son Luke Mitchell “I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble” if he had only allegedly left Corinne’s house at sometime after 10:50pm?
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This 👇 is what scammer Sandra Lean stated before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website
“Mrs Jones texted Luke’s phone at 10.38pm with a message for Jodi, who had been supposed to be home by 10pm. Luke called Mrs Jones back at 10.40pm to say he had not seen Jodi all evening (the call lasting approximately 2 minutes.) Mrs Jones said she would call round Jodi’s friends to find out where she was, and, 10 minutes later, called Luke back in tears to say Jodi was not with any of her friends, and that she (Mrs Jones) was calling the police.
10 minutes later from 10:40pm would have been 10:50pm
Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm
Steven Kelly first indicated he, Janine Jones and Alice Walker left the house (Alice Walker’s house) at around 10:45pm
Sandra Lean also stated (before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website);
“..the family search party left the house by 10.45pm, having had at least two phone calls back and forth with Mrs Jones. They had also all had to get dressed, as they were ready for bed, and find torches in this time
Why did Corinne Mitchell tell the jury re her killer son Luke Mitchell “I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble” if he had only allegedly left Corinne’s house at sometime after 10:50pm?
Killer Luke Mitchell claimed his 10:41pm telephone call to Judith Jones “Did Not Connect” yet scammer Sandra Lean claimed the killer allegedly telephoned Judith Jones at 10:40 and that this alleged telephone call lasted “approximately 2 minutes”
How did the killer make his 10:41pm telephone call which “Did Not Connect” if he was meant to be talking with Judith Jones for “2 minutes”
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Scammer Sandra Lean before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website under the header Phone calls & statements
“At least one member of the family search party was quite adamant that they should “re-check” the path that Luke had just come up. There was, for example, no suggestion of splitting up to check both paths - (Scammer Sandra Lean).
Yet under Sandra Lean’s header How the stories changed 🙄 (Again via the WAP website)
“Steven Kelly’s stated of 12th July 2003
“We arrived at the junction in the path which either takes you along the back of the High school or down onto the field. We stood there for a couple of seconds as I had suggested I would walk one way and Janine and her Gran the other. (Steven Kelly) Janine said that Jodi wouldn’t walk along the path to the left, she would have went down the field
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This 👇 is what scammer Sandra Lean stated before 30th April 2011 via the WAP website
“Mrs Jones texted Luke’s phone at 10.38pm with a message for Jodi, who had been supposed to be home by 10pm. Luke called Mrs Jones back at 10.40pm to say he had not seen Jodi all evening (the call lasting approximately 2 minutes.) Mrs Jones said she would call round Jodi’s friends to find out where she was, and, 10 minutes later, called Luke back in tears to say Jodi was not with any of her friends, and that she (Mrs Jones) was calling the police.
10 minutes later from 10:40pm would have been 10:50pm
Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm
Scammer Sandra Lean also had sasistic killer Luke Mitchell allegedly leaving his mother Corinne Mitchell’s house at just after this 10:50pm alleged telephone call
“Further, following the 10:50 call from Mrs Jones, Luke got a torch and set off up the path…”
Yet Corinne Mitchell indicates to the jury during her killer son Luke Mitchell’s trial
“I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
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Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middelton was updating his WAP website back on 30th April 2011 - suggesting scammer Sandra Lean had recently obtained access to some more case papers sometime just before this
Gillian Law was representing killer Luke Mitchell around this time https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460
20th February 2011
“His solicitor Gillian Law staged a reconstruction involving 10 dogs and several members of his high-powered legal team.
But the reconstruction - attended by Donald Findlay QC, two junior counsel and a cameraman - was yesterday branded a fiasco by lawyer Jim Kelly
Kelly, who suggested the idea and supplied his own dogs, was stunned that Law had failed to provide an animal carcass to give the dogs a scent to track.
He said: "The prosecution case was that Mitchell must have committed the murder because he found the body. He argued that he had been taken to it by his dog.
"What we set out to do was to show that any dog would have done the same thing as he claimed, which would have cast doubt on the prosecution's claim.
"The idea was that we took 10 dogs to the woods and placed an animal carcass at the scene to show they would behave in the same way.
"The fundamental problem was that no one bothered to bring a carcass, which rendered the entire exercise as futile.
"There were eight people - including a QC and a film cameraman - and 10 dogs in the woods that day, but it was an utter waste of time. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
"Had it been done properly, it could have cast serious doubt on the prosecution case that Mitchell found the body because he committed the murder”
Earlier this month, his appeal against the length of his sentence was rejected and three years ago his appeal against conviction was thrown out.
He has now hired lawyer Graham Mann, who is probing the reconstruction with the dogs and has spoken to Kelly.
Sources close to his new legal team confirmed they are looking at building a case around an "Anderson appeal" - arguing that Mitchell's initial representation was defective.
Based on a 1995 case, a conviction can be quashed if the defence failed to put the case properly
Bankrupt shame of Mitchell's lawyer
Mitchell's lawyer Gillian Law's highflying career has stalled under a mountain of debt. she was made a partner in Edinburgh firm Beaumont & Co after impressing boss Nigel Beaumont.
But Law has since been declared bankrupt over undisclosed debts owed to the taxman. she was sequestrated at the city's sheriff court - the same place where she defends criminal clients.
As a bankrupt, law's practising certificate was automatically suspended by the law society of scotland. After lodging an appeal, she has been allowed to return to work but with restrictions. she can no longer be a partner in the firm and is only allowed to work as an assistant. She is also banned from handling clients' cash.
Despite her debt woes, Law still drives a VW Beetle convertible with private registration. she lives with advocate Michael Anderson in a £400,000 townhouse beside Duddingston Golf club in the capital.
The Law Society said: "She has had her practising certificate restricted and can only work as an assistant”.
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Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middelton was updating his WAP website back on 30th April 2011 - suggesting scammer Sandra Lean had recently obtained access to some more case papers sometime just before this
Gillian Law was representing killer Luke Mitchell around this time https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460
20th February 2011
Scott Charles Forbes & Those ‘30 Boxes (Part 6)
“Sandra Lean after doing an elective in paralegal work obtained Power of Attorney in 2009 and claims this was her first access to them.
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-6/
Scammer Sandra Lean appears to have obtained access to more material in early 2011, as can be seen in the screenshots of the “update” (in blue) in the below link
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
Or this is when scammers Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton decided to start (publicly) targeting innocent Joe
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Scott Charles Forbes & Those ‘30 Boxes (Part 6)
“Sandra Lean after doing an elective in paralegal work obtained Power of Attorney in 2009 and claims this was her first access to them.
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-6/
Scammer Sandra Lean appears to have obtained access to more material in early 2011, as can be seen in the screenshots of the “update” (in blue) in the below link
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
Or this is when scammers Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton decided to start (publicly) targeting innocent Joe
Did scammer Sandra Lean decide to target and smear innocent Joe because he called out her nonsense a few months before - while her former boyfriend, un-convicted baby murderer Billy Middleton, was hiding behind her door?
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Did scammer Sandra Lean decide to target and smear innocent Joe because he called out her nonsense a few months before - while her former boyfriend, un-convicted baby murderer Billy Middleton, was hiding behind her door?
So [Name removed] wasn’t identified by an eyewitness as the man seen following his Jodi, even though he himself said he was in bed asleep?
Who was his alibi? Ah yes, two family members.
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So [Name removed] wasn’t identified by an eyewitness as the man seen following his Jodi, even though he himself said he was in bed asleep?
Do you know the name of the deluded individual who lied and chose to make a statement in an attempt to pervert the course of justice?
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Who was his alibi? Ah yes, two family members.
Is Allan Ovens still a “family member”?
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Do you know the name of the deluded individual who lied and chose to make a statement in an attempt to pervert the course of justice?
The police certainly found the witness credible.
‘ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.
"Both witnesses saw the girl walking in Easthouses Road towards the entrance to the Roman Dyke pathway at around 5pm and both also noticed a man walking closely behind the girl.’
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Is Allan Ovens still a “family member”?
He was at the time.
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The police certainly found the witness credible.
Is this what the deluded individual who made the statement thinks?
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Is this what the deluded individual who made the statement thinks?
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No, that is what the police thought. I posted the quote.
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No, that is what the police thought. I posted the quote.
There’s nothing in the quote you posted about Tom Martin’s thoughts
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The police certainly found the witness credible.
‘ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.
"Both witnesses saw the girl walking in Easthouses Road towards the entrance to the Roman Dyke pathway at around 5pm and both also noticed a man walking closely behind the girl.’
And you’ve omitted to mention the fact scammer Sandra Lean stated via the WAP website, referring to Jodi Jones🌻
.”She was never seen by anyone outside of her own home after getting off the school bus at 4pm”
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There’s nothing in the quote you posted about Tom Martin’s thoughts
Don’t be ridiculous.
‘ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.
"Both witnesses saw the girl walking in Easthouses Road towards the entrance to the Roman Dyke pathway at around 5pm and both also noticed a man walking closely behind the girl.’
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And you’ve omitted to mention the fact scammer Sandra Lean stated via the WAP website, referring to Jodi Jones🌻
.”She was never seen by anyone outside of her own home after getting off the school bus at 4pm”
And?
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*LATEST* Killin’ time 7 - Building on the lie
Luke Mitchell, teen killer!
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https://youtu.be/_9J9b-1ozNU
UPDATED
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TIMELINE of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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FURTHER UPDATES
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TIMELINE of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Comparing TIMELINES - FACTS Vs The Murderer, His Mother & Armchair Detective & Scammer Sandra Lean’s LIES Around Timings
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/18/killer-luke-mitchell-comparing-timelines-facts-vs-the-murderer-his-mother-armchair-detective-scammer-sandra-leans-lies-around-timings
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Sandra Lean claimed in her second innocence fraud book
10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40)
The court of appeal judgement stated (at para 11)
At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded. The appellant then telephoned Mrs Jones, informing her that he had not seen the deceased.
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At least neither said the 10:20 time that was getting thrown around for a while
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At least neither said the 10:20 time that was getting thrown around for a while
10;20pm is time the jury were told Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile phone
The same trial scammer Sandra Lean did not attend
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10;20pm is time the jury were told Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile phone
The same trial scammer Sandra Lean did not attend
No it wasn’t.
Only the Herald, I believe, reported 10.20 once and corrected it in a further report.
Why are you spreading misinformation when it’s so easily disproven?
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Sandra Lean claimed in her second innocence fraud book
10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40)
The court of appeal judgement stated (at para 11))
At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded. The appellant then telephoned Mrs Jones, informing her that he had not seen the deceased.
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell also appears to have either switched his mobile phone off or had it on silence/vibrate only
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell also appears to have either switched his mobile phone off or had it on silence/vibrate only
Appears? What makes it ‘appear’ that he did that?
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The Search Party Shuffle
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https://youtu.be/tKrPo-rAA2o
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Excerpt from page 169 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB
“The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.
Killer Luke Mitchell had last seen KT on 14th February 2003
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
Ergo Sandra Lean’s “six months” should have been four months
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Do you know the name of the deluded individual who lied and chose to make a statement in an attempt to pervert the course of justice?
Craig Dobbie.
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Craig Dobbie.
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It was a “she”
Scammer Sandra Lean referred to them being a “she”
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That abusive troll Heather Brunt is now claiming innocent Steven Kelly “now calls himself FRANNY” 🙄
“Franny” is a nick name Steven Kelly has had since he was young and was/is based on his previous surname
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Excerpt from page 169 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB
“The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.
Killer Luke Mitchell had last seen KT on 14th February 2003
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
Ergo Sandra Lean’s “six months” should have been four months
And? He wasn’t going out with Jodi at the time so why is it relevant when he last saw Kimberely?
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Neil MacKay From The 2021 TV Show Murder In A Small Town, His Alleged “Phone Call” From “A Senior Police Officer” In 2003/04 & His “Jail” Visit With The Murderer & Conversation With Murderers Mother Corinne Mitchell (Part 261)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/21/killer-luke-mitchell-neil-mackay-from-the-2021-tv-show-murder-in-a-small-town-his-alleged-phone-call-from-a-senior-police-officer-in-2003-his-jail/
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Murderers Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Evidence Via Channel 5’s 2021 “Murder In A Small Town” Innocence Fraud TV Show, Filmed & Directed By Stephen A Bennett, Was Different To Her 2005 Evidence During The Trial (Part 262)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/22/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-mother-corinne-mitchells-evidence-via-channel-5s-2021-murder-in-a-small-town-tv-show-filmed-directed-by-stephen-a-bennett-wa/
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Court Of Appeal Judgement Suggests Inconsistency In Murderers Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Story Via Channel 5’s 2021 “Murder In A Small Town” Innocence Fraud TV Show, Narrated By Lucy Briers (Part 263)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/22/killer-luke-mitchell-court-of-appeal-judgement-suggests-inconsistency-in-murderers-mother-corinne-mitchells-story-via-channel-5s-2021-murder-in-a-small-town-innoce/
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Roddy McKendry, Suzy Hall & Abusive Troll Heather Brunt Choose To Continue To Drag Innocent James Falconer’s Name “Into The Mud” 15 Years After The 2008 Appeal (Part 264)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/22/killer-luke-mitchell-roddy-mckendry-suzy-hall-abusive-troll-heather-brunt-choose-to-continue-to-drag-innocent-james-falconers-name-into-the-mud-part-259/
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Where Is The Evidence Neil MacKay Visited Murderer Luke Mitchell & Why Would An Alleged “Senior Police Officer” Linked To The Original Investigation Have Contacted A Random Reporter In Glasgow? (Part 265)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/23/killer-luke-mitchell-where-is-the-evidence-neil-mackay-visited-murderer-luke-mitchell-why-would-an-alleged-senior-police-officer-linked-to-the-original-investigation-have-cont/
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Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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Luke Mitchell Supporters Vs Reality
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https://www.youtube.com/live/4zyquVmAV_k?feature=share
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Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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How Many Pupils Went To St David’s High School In Dalkeith On SATURDAY 6th September 2003? (Part 267)
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LATEST: Killin’ time 8 Lets Go Walkabout By What They Found - Showing Killer Luke Mitchell’s Various Hidden Escape Routes
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/25/youtube-video-killin-time-8-lets-go-walkabout-by-what-they-found-showing-killer-luke-mitchells-various-escape-routes/
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Scammer & Liar Sandra “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget“ Lean, Mark McKeown & The 10:20pm Text Message (Part 268)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/26/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-liar-sandra-isnt-it-amazing-how-quickly-we-forget-lean-mark-mckeown-the-1020pm-text-message-part-268/
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Another individual failed by the legal system.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/appeal-court-overturns-manchester-rape-conviction-of-man-who-spent-17-years-in-jail-andrew-malkinson
Failures by the prosecution to disclose evidence, destruction of evidence and questionable eyewitness evidence. It all seems boringly familiar.
I believe Andrew’s case had also gone to the Court of Appeal several times too.
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Another individual failed by the legal system.
It's just not going to happen with Mitchell though, especially when the best he can get is jokers like Lean & Forbes begging for coffee to pay their "work" costs. They've done more harm than good and no legal professional will touch the case.
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It's just not going to happen with Mitchell though, especially when the best he can get is jokers like Lean & Forbes begging for coffee to pay their "work" costs. They've done more harm than good and no legal professional will touch the case.
I’m sure they said that Malkinson’s conviction wouldn’t be overturned after every failed appeal….yet here we are.
You have no idea what legal representation Luke has…that’s the truth, isn’t it?
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I’m sure they said that Malkinson’s conviction wouldn’t be overturned after every failed appeal….yet here we are.
You have no idea what legal representation Luke has…that’s the truth, isn’t it?
Mitchell's lawyer is F McCready of McCready & Co from Stirling - a basic criminal defence lawyer for Friday night drunks and opposite the local court for easy access. Still it's better than having Sandra Who or Scott Why, but not by much. Don't let the hope kill you.
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The Guardian wrote, "Malkinson did not match key parts of the victim’s original description of the attacker. She said she remembered causing a “deep scratch” to her attacker’s right cheek but Malkinson was seen at work with no scratches the next day. He was also 3in taller, had chest hair, when her attacker’s chest was described as hairless and shiny, and had prominent tattoos on his forearms when no tattoos were mentioned."
There was also DNA from her fingernail scrapings that did not match Malkinson. Interesting that his appearance was so different from the victim's description.
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Mitchell's lawyer is F McCready of McCready & Co from Stirling - a basic criminal defence lawyer for Friday night drunks and opposite the local court for easy access. Still it's better than having Sandra Who or Scott Why, but not by much. Don't let the hope kill you.
“They've done more harm than good and no legal professional will touch the case.”
Is F McCready a qualified solicitor. Is the law his profession? Has he taken on Luke’s case?
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"Katie Wheatley, partner at Bindmans and Head of our Crime, Fraud and Regulatory team, comments on the case and the issues of relying on eye witness evidence when making a conviction...'Andrew Malkinson’s case is a bitterly poignant reminder of the risks associated with eye witness identification evidence, which courts have long recognised can be unreliable. Safeguards include capture of all first descriptions provided by witnesses, scrutiny of the duration of observation, quality of lighting and view and any factors that may have influenced a witness’s recollection as well as strict adherence to authorised forms of identification procedure. However awful the crime, justice can never be served by a less than rigorous approach to such evidence during investigation and trial.'"
https://www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/andrew-malkinson-what-went-wrong/
Appeal.org wrote, "Firstly, with help from pro bono lawyers from firms Ropes & Gray and Latham & Watkins, APPEAL identified numerous flaws in the way police carried out the identity procedures, rendering this evidence unreliable."
https://appeal.org.uk/andy-malkinson
In another thread I wrote a number of comments about eyewitnesses using specific cases, quotes from another country, and citations to the literature. In this case the investigators flagrantly disregarded the guidelines covering eyewitnesses. Now we see another case in which justice would have been better served by playing by the rules.
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TIMELINE Of Scammer Sandra Lean’s Public Relations Spin Campaign, Where Have The Donated Profits From The October 2018 Book Gone, Funding & Taxes Etc (Part 269)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/27/killer-luke-mitchell-timeline-of-scammer-sandra-leans-public-relations-spin-campaign-where-have-the-donated-profits-from-the-october-2018-book-gone-funding-taxes-etc-part-269/
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“They've done more harm than good and no legal professional will touch the case.”
Is F McCready a qualified solicitor. Is the law his profession? Has he taken on Luke’s case?
All convicted criminals have the right to a lawyer to deal with everyday matters - it doesn't mean he is working on a closed case. If you want points for being pedantic - is LM a convicted child killer?
Did you even know who his lawyer was, or do you just parrot what Lean says.
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Another individual failed by the legal system.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/appeal-court-overturns-manchester-rape-conviction-of-man-who-spent-17-years-in-jail-andrew-malkinson
Failures by the prosecution to disclose evidence, destruction of evidence and questionable eyewitness evidence. It all seems boringly familiar.
I believe Andrew’s case had also gone to the Court of Appeal several times too.
The Mainstream Media & Others Are Spinning Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson’s Position (Part 19)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/27/the-mainstream-media-others-are-spinning-violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinsons-positionpart-19/
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All convicted criminals have the right to a lawyer to deal with everyday matters - it doesn't mean he is working on a closed case. If you want points for being pedantic - is LM a convicted child killer?
Did you even know who his lawyer was, or do you just parrot what Lean says.
You claimed no ‘professional lawyer’ would touch Luke’s case then in the next breath give me the name of his ‘professional lawyer’.
That’s not being pedantic. That’s simply pointing out how bad you are at this old debating malarkey.
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jul/27/quashing-of-andrew-malkinsons-conviction-confirms-failings-of-criminal-review-watchdog
The Guardian wrote (http://"https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jul/27/quashing-of-andrew-malkinsons-conviction-confirms-failings-of-criminal-review-watchdog"), "Jon Robins, criminology lecturer at University of Brighton and a freelance journalist, said: 'It was down to a small legal charity, Appeal, to do the investigative heavy lifting that the CCRC should have done. The reality is that the CCRC is massively underfunded...'Appeal noted that in 2022-23, the CCRC granted new appeals in less than 2% of cases considered, which it said raised “concerns that the body is failing to identify wrongful convictions”. While funding cuts have been severe, broader questions have been raised about how the resources it has are used. In 2018, a survey of lawyers suggested the CCRC was “not fit for purpose” with one of them describing the watchdog as “an office-bound, moribund organisation” that “doesn’t actually investigate”.
In her book Innocents Betrayed, Sandra Lean explained the Scylla/Charybdis problem of the Scottish CCRC. If you investigate too much, the CCRC says that you have prejudiced the witnesses; if you investigate too little, the CCRC says that there is nothing to see. I am willing to take as a given that the CCRC is underfunded, but it also has problems because of how it was charged and how it does business.
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You claimed no ‘professional lawyer’ would touch Luke’s case then in the next breath give me the name of his ‘professional lawyer’.
That’s not being pedantic. That’s simply pointing out how bad you are at this old debating malarkey.
FM has not "taken on LM's case", merely dealing with prison matters which everyone does - probably picked from a solicitors list available to all prisoners. Educate yourself about the case - ask those involved/around at the time, visit the area, argue against yourself instead of believing anything Lean says. The only person who alibied LM was his mother.
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FM has not "taken on LM's case", merely dealing with prison matters which everyone does - probably picked from a solicitors list available to all prisoners. Educate yourself about the case - ask those involved/around at the time, visit the area, argue against yourself instead of believing anything Lean says. The only person who alibied LM was his mother.
Dear oh dear…why do you continue to claim knowledge that you simply don’t have. You have no way of knowing in what capacity Luke’s solicitor is working for him. You have heard of client/solicitor confidentiality?
The only person to alibi [Name removed] is his mother. And?
Further Joseph was identified as the man following Jodi shortly after she left the house by, what the police called, a credible witness.
How could he be in two places at once?
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Dear oh dear…why do you continue to claim knowledge that you simply don’t have. You have no way of knowing in what capacity Luke’s solicitor is working for him. You have heard of client/solicitor confidentiality? Yes I do - he is not working on LM's appeal/case. Prove otherwise. You didn't even know he had a solicitor, just trying to points score.
The only person to alibi [Name removed] is his mother. And? Why was he seen by 5 other people at times and places he claimed he wasn't.
Further Joseph was identified as the man following Jodi shortly after she left the house by, what the police called, a credible witness. Who was this un-named witness? And how was this person implicated in the murder - Why was Joseph not spotted on the main road dripping in blood on the back of a moped being dropped off home after killing his sister then going for a nap? Where was Jodi killed? Why was the murder scene bleached? Where was Jodi when her dad died? Please explain this Lean-esque nonsense.
How could he be in two places at once? You're worse than Loony Lean! 19,000 posts of nonsense when you could have written a book
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“ Dear oh dear…why do you continue to claim knowledge that you simply don’t have. You have no way of knowing in what capacity Luke’s solicitor is working for him. You have heard of client/solicitor confidentiality? Yes I do - he is not working on LM's appeal/case. Prove otherwise.
The only person to alibi [Name removed] is his mother. And? Why was he seen by 5 other people at times and places he claimed he wasn't.
Further Joseph was identified as the man following Jodi shortly after she left the house by, what the police called, a credible witness. Who was this un-named witness? And how was this person implicated in the murder - Why was Joseph not spotted on the main road dripping in blood on the back of a moped being dropped off home after killing his sister then going for a nap? Where was Jodi killed? Why was the murder scene bleached? Where was Jodi when her dad died? Please explain this Lean-esque nonsense.
How could he be in two places at once? You're worse than Loony Lean! 19,000 posts of nonsense when you could have written a book”
I have claimed nothing so have nothing to prove. You claim that the solicitor mentioned isn’t working on Luke’s case. You have no way of knowing that. All dealings between Luke and his solicitor are rightly confidential.
I take it by ‘he’ you mean Luke? One witness changed the time she saw Luke by almost an hour. Two witnesses were taken apart by DF in court. No idea who you assume the other two to be.
The police called the witness who saw a man following Jodi as ‘credible’. That witness later identified [Name removed]. Their name is immaterial.
The rest of your post is simply juvenile nonsense so I’m afraid I’m not going to engage.
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The rest of your post is simply juvenile nonsense so I’m afraid I’m not going to engage.
Sandra hasn't told me what to say so I can't reply yet.
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I don't know what I'm talking about really.
At last, something we can both agree on.
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"Why was he seen by 5 other people at times and places he claimed he wasn't."
In the last few months most of my comments have dealt with the many things that are wrong with the testimonies of Ms. Bryson, Ms. Fleming, and Ms. Walsh, among others. I gave examples from other cases that illustrate why guidelines are necessary. These sightings fail logically, but they also fail procedurally.
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"Why was he seen by 5 other people at times and places he claimed he wasn't."
In the last few months most of my comments have dealt with the many things that are wrong with the testimonies of Ms. Bryson, Ms. Fleming, and Ms. Walsh, among others. I gave examples from other cases that illustrate why guidelines are necessary. These sightings fail logically, but they also fail procedurally.
And yet who is the un-named witness who claimed to have seen the victim's brother following her? Vague at best and uncorroborated. The phony "defence" rests on this witness sighting, but is shrouded in mystery. Surely if this person was credible they would have been paraded in Lean & Forbes TV and podcast appearances?
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And yet who is the un-named witness who claimed to have seen the victim's brother following her? Vague at best and uncorroborated. The phony "defence" rests on this witness sighting, but is shrouded in mystery. Surely if this person was credible they would have been paraded in Lean & Forbes TV and podcast appearances?
Let’s take Joseph out of things for the moment.
What is corroborated, by the police themselves no less, is that shortly after Jodi left her home two independent witnesses saw a man following Jodi on Easthouses Road. In fact they found the witnesses so credible that they described it as the first probable sighting of Jodi that they’d received and appealed for further witnesses on that basis.
By your own logic then shouldn’t Dr Lean and Scott Forbes have ‘paraded’ the above witnesses before their various audiences? Indeed surely these witnesses prove that if Jodi was being followed around 5pm by an unknown male then she couldn’t have gone with Luke down RDP at 4.50?
“ Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.
"Both witnesses saw the girl walking in Easthouses Road towards the entrance to the Roman Dyke pathway at around 5pm and both also noticed a man walking closely behind the girl.”
Of course one of the arguments used re AB’s sighting being Luke could also be deployed here….if the youth seen following Jodi was not involved in her murder why hasn’t he come forward?
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And yet who is the un-named witness who claimed to have seen the victim's brother following her? Vague at best and uncorroborated. The phony "defence" rests on this witness sighting, but is shrouded in mystery. Surely if this person was credible they would have been paraded in Lean & Forbes TV and podcast appearances?
I question the use of the word "uncorroborated" here. But let's take the alternate suspects out of consideration altogether for a moment. The claimed sightings by Ms. Bryson, Ms. Fleming, and Ms. Walsh make for a logically incoherent narrative, on top of the problems of witness contamination and the failure to follow sound guidelines, issues which I discussed at length in another thread. Their descriptions don't match each other, nor do they tally with what Luke actually looked like on that day. Standing alone, the prosecution's case is like one of Potemkin's villages.
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I question the use of the word "uncorroborated" here. But let's take the alternate suspects out of consideration altogether for a moment. The claimed sightings by Ms. Bryson, Ms. Fleming, and Ms. Walsh make for a logically incoherent narrative, on top of the problems of witness contamination and the failure to follow sound guidelines, issues which I discussed at length in another thread. Their descriptions don't match each other, nor do they tally with what Luke actually looked like on that day. Standing alone, the prosecution's case is like one of Potemkin's villages.
The fact that Andrina Bryson’s original statement claimed that her sighting was almost an hour later than the testimony she gave in court would surely mark her out as an unreliable witness. I’m surprised that Findlay appears to have made very little, if any, comment about this time discrepancy.
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BBC: "Both witnesses saw this man walking behind a girl in Easthouses Road near to the entrance of the Roman Dyke pathway at around 1700 BST." This is a much smaller time discrepancy that the one involving Ms. Bryson, but it is still a problem for the prosecution's narrative.
What convinced me regarding Ms. Bryson was looking at the Google street view. If one is traveling north, the pathway is not discernible until one is almost past it. She had to have been traveling south, and that is very strong evidence that the sighting happened about the time she first gave.
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BBC: "Both witnesses saw this man walking behind a girl in Easthouses Road near to the entrance of the Roman Dyke pathway at around 1700 BST." This is a much smaller time discrepancy that the one involving Ms. Bryson, but it is still a problem for the prosecution's narrative.
What convinced me regarding Ms. Bryson was looking at the Google street view. If one is traveling north, the pathway is not discernible until one is almost past it. She had to have been traveling south, and that is very strong evidence that the sighting happened about the time she first gave.
Again, why did Findlay not make more of this, and other, obvious, anomalies.
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Again, why did Findlay not make more of this, and other, obvious, anomalies.
I think that Donald Findlay did a good job with Ms. Fleming and Ms. Walsh, but he did not do as well in his cross-examination of Ms. Bryson. I also think that he should have called an expert witness in eyewitness identifications, and he should have called Mia's trainer or an expert witness in this area.
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I think that Donald Findlay did a good job with Ms. Fleming and Ms. Walsh, but he did not do as well in his cross-examination of Ms. Bryson. I also think that he should have called an expert witness in eyewitness identifications, and he should have called Mia's trainer or an expert witness in this area.
I absolutely agree, so why didn’t he?
He wasn’t some wet behind the ears barrister trying his first case. He was at the time one of Scotland’s foremost advocates and if we can see what needed to have been done why couldn’t he?
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I believe Andrew’s case had also gone to the Court of Appeal several times too.
Can The Court Of Appeal Judges Clarify What The Exact Date Was That Pc Waite & Pc Baybutt Visited Violent Rapist & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson At Ellesmere Shopping Centre. Edward Henry Stated It Was The “Day After” (20th July), Bob Woffinden Stated It Was The 21st July & The CCRC Stated It Was The 25th July 2003 (Part 27)
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There is more than one DNA sample from the victim's clothing and fingernail scrapings which does not match Mr. Malkinson or her boyfriend at the time. From what I can gather, they were donated by the same person. This is on top of his not matching the description she gave of his attacker and not having a scratched cheek. There should not be surprise that his conviction was overturned; there should be surprise and dismay that it took this long.
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There is more than one DNA sample from the victim's clothing and fingernail scrapings which does not match Mr. Malkinson or her boyfriend at the time. From what I can gather, they were donated by the same person.
Are you claiming someone “partially severed” the victims nipple with their teeth by biting through her fleece top, her vest top and her bra
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What time and date exactly are you claiming this circumstantial dna was deposited
Will The Court Of Appeal Judges Address The Misleading Evidence Presented To Them In Relation To Violent Rapist & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson (Part 29)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/03/will-the-court-of-appeal-judges-address-the-misleading-evidence-presented-to-them-in-relation-to-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-part-29/
Violent rapist, sexual predator and convicted fraudster Andrew Malkinson is a raging psychopath!
His case and campaign is yet another example of the very real innocence fraud phenomenon!
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This is on top of his not matching the description she gave of his attacker and not having a scratched cheek. There should not be surprise that his conviction was overturned; there should be surprise and dismay that it took this long.
His victim gave a good description of him considering it was dark and she probably wasn’t conscious for long
What Happened To Violent Rapist, Convicted Fraudster & Parasitic Predator Andrew Malkinson’s Security Guard Clothing, Dark Work Boots & His “Jungle Fever” & Those “Small, Bright Red Insect Bites, Similar To Measles” (Part 7)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/15/what-happened-to-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-parasitic-predator-andrew-malkinsons-security-guard-clothing-his-stab-proof-vest-part-7/
Do you also think he went to work as a security guard in a t-shirt, shorts and flip flops wearing a stab proof vest
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“Those who knew him were unanimous about the kind of clothing that Malkinson wore; casual would have been the polite term. When he was arrested, all his clothing was taken for examination. This would not have taken long. He had arrived in the UK in T-shirt, shorts and flip-flops. His wardrobe was not extensive. The few items that he possessed did not include a white shirt or black trousers or black shoes. He was not looking to go clubbing.
Excerpts from Bob Woffinden’s book The Nicholas Cases, published in 2016
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His victim gave a good description of him considering it was dark and she probably wasn’t conscious for long
His victim said she would “never forget his face” and she was “more than 100% certain” he was her attacker
Hypocrite Neal Keeling Of Manchester Evening News & His Memory Verses The Memory Of Violent Rapist & Former Amateur Boxer Andrew Malkinson’s Victim (Part 12)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/19/hypocrite-neal-keeling-his-memory-verses-the-memory-of-violent-rapist-andrew-malkinsons-victim-part-12/
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TIMELINE Of Scammer Sandra Lean’s Public Relations Spin Campaign, Where Have The Donated Profits From The October 2018 Book Gone, Funding & Taxes Etc (Part 269)
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There is more than one DNA sample from the victim's clothing and fingernail scrapings which does not match Mr. Malkinson or her boyfriend at the time.
It doesn’t match innocent Jason Waine either, who was named and his photograph published by Emily Dugan and the Times on 26th September 2021 and stated to be an “alternative suspect”
Jason Waine passed away in 2012
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There is more than one DNA sample from the victim's clothing and fingernail scrapings
If she’d touched her fleece with her hands it’s likely this is how she came to have the same undated, circumstantial dna under her nail
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This is on top of his not matching the description she gave of his attacker.
“Mr B”, who was wrongly arrested last December, was 48 years of age + almost 10 years younger than violent rapist and convicted fraudster Andrew Malkinson
His victim had said he looked “early-to-mid” 30’s!
NOT in his early 20’s!
Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson Contradicted His February 2004 Trial Evidence When He Spoke To Emily Dugan In 2021 (Part 24)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/30/violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-contradicted-his-february-2004-trial-evidence-when-he-spoke-to-emily-dugan-in-2021-part-24/
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Will The Court Of Appeal Judges Address The Misleading Evidence Presented To Them In Relation To Violent Rapist & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson (Part 29)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/03/will-the-court-of-appeal-judges-address-the-misleading-evidence-presented-to-them-in-relation-to-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-part-29/
What date will the appeal judges opt for in their judgement?
Will they use the criminal cases review commissions date of Friday the 25th July 2003?
Edward Henry’s date of Sunday 20th July 2003?
Or the date violent rapist gave to Bob Woffinden, which was published in 2016 - Monday 21st July 2003?
Innocence Fraud Watch Contact Court Of Appeal For Clarity Re: The 26th July 2023 Appeal Hearing Of Violent Rapist & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson (Part 28)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/02/innocence-fraud-watch-contact-court-of-appeal-for-clarity-re-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-part-28/
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Are you claiming someone “partially severed” the victims nipple with their teeth by biting through her fleece top, her vest top and her bra
There were no holes from teeth in the fleece, vest top or bra
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Malkinson’s victims “..fleece remained zipped up throughout and her bra remained in place. It would have been obviously impossible for Malkinson to have inflicted the wound without disturbing the clothing.
Excerpt from Bob Woffinden’s book The Nicholas Cases, published in 2016
“Obviously impossible” for violent rapist Andrew Malkinson but not for the innocent early 20 something year old who was wrongly arrested last December - then 48 years of age 🙄
Could this be where and when the background circumstantial dna was picked up
“There is also the matter of what happened to her at around 3.40am when she told her boyfriend that she had ‘found somewhere warm and dry’ and was ‘safe’. Her calls were then discontinued for about 45 minutes. This is another unexplained part of the case.
Excerpt from Bob Woffinden’s book The Nicholas Cases, published in 2016
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Scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes published books
Sandra Lean’s book states on it that it was published by NGU books
Scott Forbes states on his Viva Angelina publishing
Does anyone have anymore information on NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing?
Is this another of their scams?
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Scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes published books
Sandra Lean’s book states on it that it was published by NGU books
Scott Forbes states on his Viva Angelina publishing
Does anyone have anymore information on NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing?
Is this another of their scams?
Probably. Are any of their books available in real bookshops (under Fiction) or just online?
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there should be surprise and dismay
Did The Criminal Cases Review Commission & Edward Henry, Present The Appeal Judges Notes By Convicted Fraudster & Lawyer Shah Ali (Who Had Also Been Struck Off By The SRA) As Though It Were The Evidence Of Violent Rapist Andrew Malkinson’s VICTIM?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/04/did-the-criminal-cases-review-commission-edward-henry-present-the-appeal-judges-evidence-of-convicted-fraudster-lawyer-shah-ali-who-had-been-struck-off-by-the-sra-as-though-it-were-the/
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Probably. Are any of their books available in real bookshops (under Fiction) or just online?
It wreaks of yet another scam
NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing both look like dummy publishing companies
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It wreaks of yet another scam
NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing both look like dummy publishing companies
Why would scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes set up dummy publishing companies ?
In 2008 Sandra Lean claimed she was taking Diggory press to court
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https://www.writers.net/diggory-press-court-action-t111895-s10.html
Will she have all the records for NGU books and all those profits from all the donations made from book sales since October 2018?
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Why would scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes set up dummy publishing companies ?
In 2008 Sandra Lean claimed she was taking Diggory press to court
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https://www.writers.net/diggory-press-court-action-t111895-s10.html
Will she have all the records for NGU books and all those profits from all the donations made from book sales since October 2018?
Too many fingers in too many pies - There is no way that everything will be getting properly accounted for?!
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Too many fingers in too many pies - There is no way that everything will be getting properly accounted for?!
Apparently Viva Angelina publishing who’s name is on fraudster Scott Forbes book is a genuine publishers
Does anyone have any details on Viva Angelina publishers ?
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Will The Ministry Of Justice Be Awarding Compensation To Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster (Thailand 2001) Andrew Malkinson’s VICTIM & If Not Why Not?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/05/will-the-ministry-of-justice-be-awarding-violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-thailand-2001-andrew-malkinsons-victim-if-not-why-not-part-33/
The Law Commission’s Penney Lewis & Her Outrageous BBC Newsnight Interview On Violent Rapist & Convicted Fraudster (Thailand 2001) Andrew Malkinson’s “Unsafe” Convictions, Her “Hand Wringing Exercise” & Her Failure To Recognise Or Address The Very Real Innocence Fraud Phenomenon (Part 34)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/06/the-law-commissions-penney-lewis-her-outrageous-hypocrital-bbc-newsnight-interview-on-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-thailand-2001-andrew-malkinsons/
The Wife Of £53m Drug Smuggling, Organised Crime Gang Member Jonathan Beere, Who Is Currently Serving 24 Years In Prison, Read Violent Rapist Andrew Malkinson’s Deluded Mother Trish Hose’s Statement (Part 35)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/08/the-wife-of-53m-drug-smuggling-organised-crime-gang-member-jonathan-beere-who-is-currently-serving-24-years-in-prison-read-violent-rapist-andrew-malkinsons-mother-trish-hoses-stat/
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‘When Mr Turnbull asked him about the blade, the youth responded: "It was a folding one."
The witness identified a picture of a knife in court as "pretty like" the one Mr Mitchell allegedly had that day.
In a statement to the police, Mr High said the accused told him the knife was for protection after he asked him why he was carrying it.
He said that he would often get food during school lunch breaks for Mr Mitchell, whom he said would sometimes reward him with cannabis at the end of the week.
David High saw killer Luke Mitchell with his brown handled folding knife that night
Corrine Mitchell referred to David High as a ‘notorious little liar’ not a ‘notorious liar’
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4066537.stm
The jury were shown a receipt for the brown handled Jack Pyke skunting knife which was purchased as a Christmas present for sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in 2002
A receipt for the black handled stunting knife, allegedly purchased for a 2003 Christmas present, was also shown to the jury
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https://youtu.be/k56t9NSL10M
What did Kimberly T tell the police and trial about killer Luke Mitchell’s brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather pouch (which he kept like a ‘trophie’) he had for Christmas 2002?
“Mitchell's enthusiasm for blades is well-remembered in Livingston. He was particularly proud of one knife he received as a present. "He said: 'Look what I got. Do you think it's cool?" recalls one female friend. "He thought it was something brilliant. We thought it was a bit weird."
This 👆🏽was in reference to the brown wooden handled skunting knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had bought for him as a Christmas present in December 2002, which went missing after he committed his murder
Again, a 2002 receipt for the brown handled skunting knife was presented as evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673.a-truly-evil-murder-you-will-rightly-be-regarded-as-wicked-lucy-bannerman-finds-how-a-teenage-love-of-music-and-rebellion-ended-with-a-walk-to-a-horrific-death/
“Another fling ended on a more threatening note, with another West Lothian girl, Kimberley Tait, claiming Mitchell once pulled a knife on her after she refused to sleep with him. Mitchell claimed the knife incident was only a joke.
More evidence heard during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial which scammer Sandra Lean has omitted from her innocence fraud narrative
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The jury were shown a receipt for the brown handled Jack Pyke skunting knife which was purchased as a Christmas present for sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in 2002
A receipt for the black handled stunting knife, allegedly purchased for a 2003 Christmas present, was also shown to the jury
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https://youtu.be/k56t9NSL10M
“Mitchell's enthusiasm for blades is well-remembered in Livingston. He was particularly proud of one knife he received as a present. "He said: 'Look what I got. Do you think it's cool?" recalls one female friend. "He thought it was something brilliant. We thought it was a bit weird."
This 👆🏽was in reference to the brown wooden handled skunting knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had bought for him as a Christmas present in December 2002, which went missing after he committed his murder
Again, a 2002 receipt for the brown handled skunting knife was presented as evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
This from the Sunday Mail 2004.
“A mail order catalogue invoice from a firm in Leeds revealed that Mitchell's mother Corinne, had bought a 'skunting knife' - used for skinning and hunting - for pounds 8.95 the previous December.”
So ‘the previous December” would be 2003 and while I know that David High and perhaps others claimed to see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife, in fact I believe High said he had saw Luke with it on the night of the murder, I haven’t found one single mention of anything apart from eye witness testimony to verify that the brown knife ever existed.
It does seem odd that Luke would keep the knife after the murder snug in his pocket where deposits of remaining blood could contaminate the ‘changed’ clothes he was wearing. He must have known, him being a forensic genius, that one single smear of blood on any part of his clothing could convict him. Was any found? Why burn the parka and the clothes he was allegedly wearing at the murder scene and keep the knife to dispose of later? Why show it to High?
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15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
This from the Sunday Mail 2004.
“A mail order catalogue invoice from a firm in Leeds revealed that Mitchell's mother Corinne, had bought a 'skunting knife' - used for skinning and hunting - for pounds 8.95 the previous December.”
So ‘the previous December” would be 2003 and while I know that David High and perhaps others claimed to see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife, in fact I believe High said he had saw Luke with it on the night of the murder, I haven’t found one single mention of anything apart from eye witness testimony to verify that the brown knife ever existed.
Within two weeks of his murder, witnesses had come forward about the knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had had for Christmas 2002
Police managed to obtain the receipt for the 2002 brown wooden handled knife Jack Pyke skunting knife
The receipt may have been found when they searched Philip Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2003
This receipt was shown to the 2004/05 jury, along with Corinne Mitchell’s mail order catalogue invoice for the replacement December 2003 skunting knife
What Innocence Fraud Scammers & Liars Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes Won’t Tell You About The Receipt For The Missing Brown Wooden Handled Skunting Knife, Bought For The Murderer As A 2002 Christmas Present (Part 270)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/09/killer-luke-mitchell-what-innocence-fraud-scammers-liars-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-wont-tell-you-about-the-receipt-for-the-missing-brown-wooden-handled-skunting-knife-bought-for/
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
Within two weeks of his murder, witnesses had come forward about the knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had had for Christmas 2002
Police managed to obtain the receipt for the 2002 brown wooden handled knife Jack Pyke skunting knife
The receipt may have been found when they searched Philip Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2003
This receipt was shown to the 2004/05 jury, along with Corinne Mitchell’s mail order catalogue invoice for the replacement December 2003 skunting knife
What Innocence Fraud Scammers & Liars Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes Won’t Tell You About The Receipt For The Missing Brown Wooden Handled Skunting Knife, Bought For The Murderer As A 2002 Christmas Present (Part 270)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/09/killer-luke-mitchell-what-innocence-fraud-scammers-liars-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-wont-tell-you-about-the-receipt-for-the-missing-brown-wooden-handled-skunting-knife-bought-for/
What They Found goes over some of scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes lies about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 2002 skunting knife in his video here
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https://youtu.be/k56t9NSL10M
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
Within two weeks of his murder, witnesses had come forward about the knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had had for Christmas 2002
Police managed to obtain the receipt for the 2002 brown wooden handled knife Jack Pyke skunting knife
The receipt may have been found when they searched Philip Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2003
This receipt was shown to the 2004/05 jury, along with Corinne Mitchell’s mail order catalogue invoice for the replacement December 2003 skunting knife
What Innocence Fraud Scammers & Liars Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes Won’t Tell You About The Receipt For The Missing Brown Wooden Handled Skunting Knife, Bought For The Murderer As A 2002 Christmas Present (Part 270)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/09/killer-luke-mitchell-what-innocence-fraud-scammers-liars-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-wont-tell-you-about-the-receipt-for-the-missing-brown-wooden-handled-skunting-knife-bought-for/
Why is it not known who bought the brown handled skunting knife? Surely the name would be on the receipt allegedly shown to the jury? Were Corrine, Shane or Philip asked about it in court? Was Luke? Was that section of his taped interview played in court?
So many questions!!!
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Why is it not known who bought the brown handled skunting knife? Surely the name would be on the receipt allegedly shown to the jury? Were Corrine, Shane or Philip asked about it in court? Was Luke? Was that section of his taped interview played in court?
So many questions!!!
Where exactly did killer Luke Mitchell spend Christmas 2002?
There appears to have been quite a few witnesses from the Livingstone area who gave evidence about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell skunting knife, also referred to as a loch knife
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Why is it not known who bought the brown handled skunting knife? Surely the name would be on the receipt allegedly shown to the jury? Were Corrine, Shane or Philip asked about it in court? Was Luke? Was that section of his taped interview played in court?
So many questions!!!
Was Philip Mitchell’s statement read to the jury?
Did a police officer give evidence about what was found/seized from Philip Mitchell’s house in August 2003?
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Why is it not known who bought the brown handled skunting knife? Surely the name would be on the receipt allegedly shown to the jury? Were Corrine, Shane or Philip asked about it in court? Was Luke? Was that section of his taped interview played in court?
So many questions!!!
Donald Findlay would have had a list of witnesses scheduled to give evidence during the 42 day trial
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Where exactly did killer Luke Mitchell spend Christmas 2002?
There appears to have been quite a few witnesses from the Livingstone area who gave evidence about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell skunting knife, also referred to as a loch knife
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
What about the receipt from 2002? Where is it mentioned?
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What about the receipt from 2002? Where is it mentioned?
Here
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What They Found goes over some of scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes lies about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 2002 skunting knife in his video here
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https://youtu.be/k56t9NSL10M
The Herald mentioned “a number of police witnesses” who had searched sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home in Dalkeith, maybe the reporters missed the evidence of the police witnesses who searched Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston
“A number of police witnesses have told the trial at the High Court in Edinburgh that in the months following Jodi's death they searched Mr Mitchell's home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, but found no lock-knife to match a sample knife produced in court.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410023.jodi-trial-knife-case-found-in-accuseds-home-pouch-labelled-[Name removed]-1989-2003/
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The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
KILLER Luke Mitchell was a violent thug - but girls flocked to be his lover.
The teenager's reputation as a moody rebel captured the hearts of girls in Dalkeith.
But behind his mask, Mitchell was a woman-h ater who tried to force his lovers to have sex at the point of a knife.
And he loved his celebrity status as the number one suspect for Jodi's murder.
Schoolgirl Jodi's pals wept as they told how he swaggered round the Midlothian town after the murder.
Mitchell would ask 14-year-old Jodi's friends: "Do you know who I am?"
A police source said: "For a 14-year-old, Mitchell showed unbelievable arrogance after the murder.
"Girls were even more attracted to him and he made the most of it."
Mitchell was eager to get back to the school playground after the summer holidays to boast that police had failed to arrest him.
One pal said: "Jodi was dead and he was swaggering around acting as though he was enjoying his reputation as a murder suspect.
"He was even out wearing a T-shirt with 666 on the back which just shows how sick he is."
This fact barely gets a mention
At the age of 14, Mitchell was having sex with two girlfriends - one of them Jodi - who knew nothing about each other.
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
This was Laura W who it was reported later became “estranged” from sadistic killer Luke Mitchell & who apparently was diagnosed with a “severe depressive disorder”
And as Jodi learned to her cost, Mitchell did not like to be told "no".
Police believe it was Jodi's angry reaction at learning about his other girlfriend which led to her death.
and/or maybe she refused to have sex with him
Jodi had been unaware when she began dating Mitchell that he already had a girlfriend who looked "almost identical".
And his "other woman", just 15, only learned of Mitchell's relationship with Jodi after she died.
Mitchell started going out with Kimberly Thomson in 2002 and even brought her to stay at his dad's house in Livingston after a double date with a pal to the cinema. He bragged about how alike the girls were.
This was Robert Gilhooly & his girlfriend
During the trial, the jury saw Kimberly's school photo which was almost indistinguishable from family snaps of Jodi.
Mitchell had been dating Jodi for three months when she was killed.
And the last time he had sex with her, just two days before he killed her, he cruelly waved her off in a taxi before calling his other girlfriend.
Mitchell conned both girls into thinking their relationship was special and exclusive.
He also conned Laura W
Jodi was in awe of Mitchell's world. He was a highly intelligent student and top of most of his classes at Dalkeith High School.
But he also had a bad-boy image as leader of his group of dope-smoking teens. Jodi's rebellious, experimental phase started soon after she met him.
He introduced her to cannabis, she got a lip piercing and had sex with him.
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
Laura W
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
The blonde teenager clutched a red rose as she stood, wearing a Nirvana T-shirt, beside Mitchell. Ever the showman, Mitchell knelt down to comfort her as she wept while reading cards and tributes from Jodi's classmates.
During the murder investigation, cops found that when Mitchell was 12 he demanded sex from a girlfriend in Livingston, West Lothian. When she said "no", he threatened her with a knife. A police source said: "Mitchell was sexually mature at a very young age. This girl refused to have sex because she was not ready.
This was evidence, not a story sold to the newspapers as has been claimed
"But he hated to be told 'no'. He liked to be in control."
Mitchell lived with his mother, Corinne, who split from his dad, Philip, a caravan salesman, in 2002 after 22 years of marriage.
Luke, and his brother Shane, lived with their mum in Dalkeith but he visited his father in Livingston at weekends.
Friends said Mitchell seemed very close to Corinne.
And they claim she turned a blind eye to his increasing drug habit and cannabis dealing. One said: "Corinne doted on both the boys. They could do nothing wrong.
"It was almost creepy how she acted around Luke. They often held hands. She constantly played with his hair, touched his arms and shoulders - it was almost like they were boyfriend and girlfriend rather than mother and son."
Corinne was with Mitchell when he appeared on TV on the day of Jodi's funeral to publicly deny murdering her.
Asked if he had killed Jodi, Mitchell coolly told the Sky News interviewer: "No. I never, I wouldn't."
But while Corrine believed his innocence, others did not.
A friend of Jodi's, who asked not to be named, said Mitchell's attitude sparked a backlash against the family.
She said: "Before his arrest, he was living it up. People have been totally sickened by the sight of him.
"Shop workers even refused to serve his mother when she went to buy petrol."
Mitchell's jotters from Dalkeith's St David's High School were daubed with Satanic slogans.
And in January 2003, Mitchell wrote an essay questioning the existence of God containing passages such as: "People like you need Satanic people like me to keep the balance."
It was also claimed he said he could imagine himself getting "stoned" and killing someone.
A knife pouch with the initials "[Name removed]" - apparently a reference to Jodi - and the numerals "666" written on it was found in his bedroom.
Det Supt Craig Dobbie said: "Jodi's death provided the opportunity to act out a fantasy. The knife wounds were linear and deliberate. They were not inflicted to cause death, they were done after she was dead."
Last night, the only comfort for Jodi's grieving mum Judith, 39, was that no more lives would be snuffed out by evil Mitchell.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
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The Herald mentioned “a number of police witness” who had searched sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home in Dalkeith, maybe the reporters missed the evidence of the police witnesses who searched Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston
“A number of police witnesses have told the trial at the High Court in Edinburgh that in the months following Jodi's death they searched Mr Mitchell's home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, but found no lock-knife to match a sample knife produced in court.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410023.jodi-trial-knife-case-found-in-accuseds-home-pouch-labelled-[Name removed]-1989-2003/
What They Found mentions a receipt from 2002 for a brown handled skunting knife. He offers no evidence.
Please provide evidence that a receipt for a lock knife purchased in 2002 actually existed and was shown to the jury?
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What They Found mentions a receipt from 2002 for a brown handled skunting knife. He offers no evidence.
Please provide evidence that a receipt for a lock knife purchased in 2002 actually existed and was shown to the jury?
A receipt was produced during the trial for a skunting/loch knife purchased in 2002
How do you think the police knew what knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had previously owned in order to produce a replica for his trial?
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Please provide evidence that a receipt for a lock knife purchased in 2002 actually existed and was shown to the jury?
There’s a wealth of evidence heard during the 42 day trial that’s not in the public domain
Never reported on
What did the police find when they searched Philip Mitchell’s house?
What was seized from Philip Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2003?
Where was it reported that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell waited 18 to 20 minutes or so before he called Judith Jones after she sent a text message to his phone at 10:20pm?
Where was it reported that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell stayed behind the other side of the wall for 8 minutes or more while Steven Kelly & Alice Walker climbed over, while he looked on to gage their reactions?
UPDATED
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Why didn’t Laura Martin for the guardian report the fact Laura W had become sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend by the time of her “best friends” funeral?
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
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Why didn’t Laura Martin for the guardian report the fact Laura W had become sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend by the time of her “best friends” funeral?
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Also, if Laura W was claiming on/around the 23rd January 2005 that her sadistic ex boyfriend was “the wrong person” who “had been convicted”
Why did the Herald report on the 22nd January 2003 that Laura W had become “estranged” from him?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673.a-truly-evil-murder-you-will-rightly-be-regarded-as-wicked-lucy-bannerman-finds-how-a-teenage-love-of-music-and-rebellion-ended-with-a-walk-to-a-horrific-death/
“However, much to the angst of Jodi’s family, one friend sided with Mitchell, forming an intimate relationship with him in the aftermath of the killing.
Despite her initial loyalty, she and Mitchell became estranged and the 15 year old was later diagnosed with a severe depressive disorder, exacerbated by the heavy use of cannabis and the trauma of her friends murder. Increasing doubts over Mitchell’s innocence may have contributed to her condition.
Was someone feeding the media with nonsense?
Or did the media have an agenda to mix things up?
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A receipt was produced during the trial for a skunting/loch knife purchased in 2002
How do you think the police knew what knife sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had previously owned in order to produce a replica for his trial?
You’ve been had Nicholas.
There was no receipt.
The fact that you think that a receipt for the missing knife that killed Jodi wouldn’t be mentioned in media reports of the court proceedings yet the receipt for a knife that wasn’t involved would simply displays your level of credulity.
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You’ve been had Nicholas.
There was no receipt.
The fact that you think that a receipt for the missing knife that killed Jodi wouldn’t be mentioned in media reports of the court proceedings yet the receipt for a knife that wasn’t involved would simply displays your level of credulity.
As per previous post There’s a wealth of evidence heard during the 42 day trial that’s not in the public domain
Never reported on
What did the police find when they searched Philip Mitchell’s house?
What was seized from Philip Mitchell’s house on 14th August 2003?
Scammer Sandra Lean claimed Shane Mitchell collected knives
Where’s the evidence for this alleged knife collection?
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Why didn’t Laura Martin for the guardian report the fact Laura W had become sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend by the time of her “best friends” funeral?
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Who put Laura W’s name forward to Laura Martin at the Guardian?
In the same article it stated;
“During the trial, it emerged that Jodi had defensive wounds on her arms. She fought desperately for her life..
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As per previous post
It really is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.
Let’s put it simply. The police had no murder weapon. They found the sheath in the April searches. Bingo! Feed some especially suggestible witnesses, who had used drugs illegally, with questions like “ did you ever see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife” and Bob’s your mother’s brother.
There never was any knife and there never was any receipt.
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It really is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled.
Let’s put it simply. The police had no murder weapon. They found the sheath in the April searches. Bingo! Feed some especially suggestible witnesses, who had used drugs illegally, with questions like “ did you ever see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife” and Bob’s your mother’s brother.
There never was any knife and there never was any receipt.
What was the sheath for? Contraception?
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Let’s put it simply. The police had no murder weapon. They found the sheath in the April searches.
The police knew within 14 days from when he committed his murder, at the latest, that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had been given a wooden brown handled skunking knife for Christmas 2002
15th July 2003
“Lothian and Borders police confirmed that they are considering an appeal for witnesses on the BBC's Crimewatch programme.
However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
What did the police find and seize during their 14th August 2003 search of Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston?
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They found the sheath in the April searches. Bingo!
Where was the sheath hidden on 4th July and 14th August 2003?
Why wasn’t it found during these searches?
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Feed some especially suggestible witnesses, who had used drugs illegally, with questions like “ did you ever see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife” and Bob’s your mother’s brother.
There were witnesses to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s knife attack on the girl at Army cadets
“Although many of their friends shared a joint, few shared his interest in weapon’s.
During one army cadet exercise, acquaintances remember the youngster approaching a girl from behind in a balaclava, and warning “It would be so easy to kill you”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673.a-truly-evil-murder-you-will-rightly-be-regarded-as-wicked-lucy-bannerman-finds-how-a-teenage-love-of-music-and-rebellion-ended-with-a-walk-to-a-horrific-death/
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Feed some especially suggestible witnesses, who had used drugs illegally, with questions like “ did you ever see Luke with a brown handled skunting knife” and Bob’s your mother’s brother.
Are you referring to Laura W?
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Why didn’t Laura Martin for the guardian report the fact Laura W had become sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend by the time of her “best friends” funeral?
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Did Laura Martin for the Guardian and/or others manipulate what sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s then new girlfriend Laura W had said in her September 2003 police witness statement ie; “I think he is innocent”? https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/
What did Laura W think when she learned killer Luke Mitchell had another new girlfriend - Gemma C?
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The police knew within 14 days from when he committed his murder, at the latest, that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had been given a wooden brown handled skunking knife for Christmas 2002
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
What did the police find and seize during their 14th August 2003 search of Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston?
Read your own quote.
“ However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.”
The police confirmed nothing.
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The police knew within 14 days from when he committed his murder, at the latest, that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had been given a wooden brown handled skunking knife for Christmas 2002
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
Read your own quote.
“ However, yesterday a police spokesman declined to comment on reports that a 14-year-old youth had been questioned in connection with a missing knife. It is understood the boy had shown the knife off to friends after receiving it as a Christmas present, but it has since disappeared.”
The police confirmed nothing.
The police “knew”!
It was “confirmed” the police “knew” about the knife by the 4th July 2003 - when they searched the killers home in Newbattle Abbey crescent looking for it
The police then searched Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston on 14th August 2003
What did they find and seize?
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On page 194 of Innocents Betrayed Sandra Lean wrote, “A pouch, taken from Luke’s home, was said to belong to the ‘missing’ knife. But it is worth noting that the size of the blade used to inflict the wounds found on Jodi would have to have been considerably larger than the knife which fitted to the pouch. Indeed, when the professor was asked about the wound inflicted on Jodi’s tonsil (by the blade being plunged into her mouth), he demonstrated what should have been the ridiculous suggestion that the knife produced in court could have been the one which inflicted this injury—the professor showed the court that only by holding the knife at the very edge of the handle, with the tips of his fingers, could that knife have inflicted the injury without causing, for example, damage to the teeth and corresponding damage to the hand of the attacker (which was not found on Luke’s hands)." From what I gathered in a Scottish Sun article, I surmise that the blade was four inches in length.
From EdinburghLive, "'There were about ten officers, some in forensic suits, emptying the skip to try to find the broken tip. I read the brand name on the knife and checked online. I found an exact match, and it was very expensive.' At the time, a field next to Tom’s garage was used by teenage mechanic apprentices for racing stock cars. One of them, now a dad in his mid-30s, said: 'We found a knife with blood on it in the skip. We were like, ‘What the *******.’ It was terrible.'"
Of course the knife from the skip might not have been the murder weapon, but one only hopes that it was tested correctly.
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On page 194 of Innocents Betrayed Sandra Lean wrote, “A pouch, taken from Luke’s home, was said to belong to the ‘missing’ knife. But it is worth noting that the size of the blade used to inflict the wounds found on Jodi would have to have been considerably larger than the knife which fitted to the pouch. Indeed, when the professor was asked about the wound inflicted on Jodi’s tonsil (by the blade being plunged into her mouth), he demonstrated what should have been the ridiculous suggestion that the knife produced in court could have been the one which inflicted this injury—the professor showed the court that only by holding the knife at the very edge of the handle, with the tips of his fingers, could that knife have inflicted the injury without causing, for example, damage to the teeth and corresponding damage to the hand of the attacker (which was not found on Luke’s hands)."
What knife was scammer Sandra Lean referring to?
She wasn’t in court!
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From EdinburghLive, "'There were about ten officers, some in forensic suits, emptying the skip to try to find the broken tip. I read the brand name on the knife and checked online. I found an exact match, and it was very expensive.' At the time, a field next to Tom’s garage was used by teenage mechanic apprentices for racing stock cars. One of them, now a dad in his mid-30s, said: 'We found a knife with blood on it in the skip. We were like, ‘What the *******.’ It was terrible.'"
Of course the knife from the skip might not have been the murder weapon, but one only hopes that it was tested correctly.
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What knife was scammer Sandra Lean referring to?
She wasn’t in court!
But she knows people who were, unlike your good self.
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But she knows people who were, unlike your good self.
Lol
How could you possibly know that?
In reality you have no idea!
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Lol
How could you possibly know that?
In reality you have no idea!
Faith allegedly knew someone on the jury too and it was almost not proven, aye. The only person Lean knew at the trial was CM who visited her shop. If there is so much evidence that could clear LM why are his defenders not taking it to legal professionals instead of having daft protests and petitions?
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Lol
How could you possibly know that?
In reality you have no idea!
I’d be surprised as you make so many mistakes.
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Faith allegedly knew someone on the jury too and it was almost not proven, aye. The only person Lean knew at the trial was CM who visited her shop. If there is so much evidence that could clear LM why are his defenders not taking it to legal professionals instead of having daft protests and petitions?
My, who do you think I am now? Dr Lean or is it one of her daughters again?
Possibly true at the time but subsequently I’m sure she’s spoken to many individuals who attended the trial.
Name one well regarded legal or scientific expert who thinks Luke is guilty ( Pat Brown doesn’t count).
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My, who do you think I am now? Dr Lean or is it one of her daughters again?
Possibly true at the time but subsequently I’m sure she’s spoken to many individuals who attended the trial.
Name one well regarded legal or scientific expert who thinks Luke is guilty ( Pat Brown doesn’t count).
I am not fussed who you are but you claimed recently you had a friend on the jury. I would suggest you ask Donald Findlay first if he thinks LM is guilty (a fine fellow behind the pipe and whiskers) or you could ask SM or PM what they think instead of grasping at straws for the rest of your life. Take your evidence and claims to any solicitor in Scotland and see what they say instead of arguing on the internets.
Ps. Dr Lean is a crackpot local hypnotist without a shred of credibility outside the Dalkeith and District Bingo club and a stupid persons idea of a smart person.
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I am not fussed who you are but you claimed recently you had a friend on the jury. I would suggest you ask Donald Findlay first if he thinks LM is guilty (a fine fellow behind the pipe and whiskers) or you could ask SM or PM what they think instead of grasping at straws for the rest of your life. Take your evidence and claims to any solicitor in Scotland and see what they say instead of arguing on the internets.
Ps. Dr Lean is a crackpot local hypnotist without a shred of credibility outside the Dalkeith and District Bingo club and a stupid persons idea of a smart person.
I’m afraid you’re mistaken as I’ve never claimed that i had a friend on the jury.
There is only one internet.
You really do spend an inordinate amount of time slating an individual who you claim has no credibility in the first place. Isn’t that rather a waste of time?
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The answer to your question was Donald Findlay but you seemed to have missed that. Feel free to ignore the rest.
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The answer to your question was Donald Findlay but you seemed to have missed that. Feel free to ignore the rest.
Something else you appear to have got wrong.
From the Herald 2007
“ I ask about Luke Mitchell, who in 2005 was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering his 14-year-old girlfriend, Jodi Jones. Mitchell’s appeal is scheduled for January 8 next year. It is thought that Findlay takes the case very personally.
“Of course it’s an important case,” he says. “There was an appalling loss of life. That young girl had done nobody any harm and had her whole life ahead of her. But equally, he’s a young boy who had his whole life ahead of him, and you want to be pretty sure that guilt was proved beyond reasonable doubt before you convict on that evidence. I get the sense that there is an air of disquiet about the verdict that wasn’t there at the time of the trial, and with some justification.”
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Something else you appear to have got wrong.
From the Herald 2007
“ I ask about Luke Mitchell, who in 2005 was sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering his 14-year-old girlfriend, Jodi Jones. Mitchell’s appeal is scheduled for January 8 next year. It is thought that Findlay takes the case very personally.
“Of course it’s an important case,” he says. “There was an appalling loss of life. That young girl had done nobody any harm and had her whole life ahead of her. But equally, he’s a young boy who had his whole life ahead of him, and you want to be pretty sure that guilt was proved beyond reasonable doubt before you convict on that evidence. I get the sense that there is an air of disquiet about the verdict that wasn’t there at the time of the trial, and with some justification.”
From the very same
"It is sometimes written that Findlay only gets the hopeless cases, but he denies being some Houdini-for-hire helping criminals escape justice. He says his role in the justice system is to ensure guilty people are convicted. In other words, he uses his considerable skills to test the evidence against his clients, and if they are sent to prison, then that must mean they really did commit the crime. His most successful defence was that of former gangster Paul [Name removed], who in 1992 was found not guilty of all seven charges against him, including that of murdering Arthur Thompson Jr."
From the lions mouth, he lost and as any defence lawyer does do - They question themselves, however he states himself "then that must mean they really did commit the crime ---"
And he is of course blasted by the very same support - Using those skills yet failed to produce that non guilty verdict, which and again tells you the strength of the evidence and not it's weakness. - Not entirely sure of the comment around not reading a Scottish paper for 8 yrs since 1999? Dam, he sure read them throughout this case though, didn't he?
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From the very same
"It is sometimes written that Findlay only gets the hopeless cases, but he denies being some Houdini-for-hire helping criminals escape justice. He says his role in the justice system is to ensure guilty people are convicted. In other words, he uses his considerable skills to test the evidence against his clients, and if they are sent to prison, then that must mean they really did commit the crime. His most successful defence was that of former gangster Paul [Name removed], who in 1992 was found not guilty of all seven charges against him, including that of murdering Arthur Thompson Jr."
From the lions mouth, he lost and as any defence lawyer does do - They question themselves, however he states himself "then that must mean they really did commit the crime ---"
And he is of course blasted by the very same support - Using those skills yet failed to produce that non guilty verdict, which and again tells you the strength of the evidence and not it's weakness. - Not entirely sure of the comment around not reading a Scottish paper for 8 yrs since 1999? Dam, he sure read them throughout this case though, didn't he?
“ I get the sense that there is an air of disquiet about the verdict that wasn’t there at the time of the trial, and with some justification.”
From the lion’s mouth too.
A case light on evidence can still bring in a guilty verdict. Ask anyone who has ever suffered a miscarriage of justice.
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There are some areas in which the defense could have made a better presentation. Yet there is no defense against the problem of evidence that was not collected (and it makes no difference whether the failure was through incompetence or deliberate neglect). If the police had identified AB's car in CCTV footage or collected cell tower evidence regarding Luke's phone, either might have been highly probative. Had they preserved the crime scene better, it might be a very different situation. There is also no defense against the problem of evidence being withheld, and the Malkinson case is a timely reminder that this happens more often that one would wish it did.
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There are some areas in which the defense could have made a better presentation. Yet there is no defense against the problem of evidence that was not collected (and it makes no difference whether the failure was through incompetence or deliberate neglect). If the police had identified AB's car in CCTV footage or collected cell tower evidence regarding Luke's phone, either might have been highly probative. Had they preserved the crime scene better, it might be a very different situation. There is also no defense against the problem of evidence being withheld, and the Malkinson case is a timely reminder that this happens more often that one would wish it did.
It would appear that Luke was not convicted because of the weight of evidence against him but rather because the evidence that may have exonerated him was never requested. Having a legal team in place relatively late in the day almost certainly disadvantaged his defence considerably too.
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It would appear that Luke was not convicted because of the weight of evidence against him but rather because the evidence that may have exonerated him was never requested. Having a legal team in place relatively late in the day almost certainly disadvantaged his defence considerably too.
If ever there was a prime example of being glib, this is it. Can you expand on this? Extra points if you don't mention gps evidence (or lack of it). Lol! Let's face it, even with the late appointment of Damien Thorn's legal team, they still had the time & resources to get the gps evidence sorted out -- or any other evidence they needed at the time. However, if I remember correctly, GPS evidence back in 2003 was futile, as it could not track a person's whereabouts down specifically or within acceptable legal parameters; certainly not accurate enough to be used by either the defence or prosecution? Surely it would have been used if it could further a legal argument in court?
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If ever there was a prime example of being glib, this is it. Can you expand on this? Extra points if you don't mention gps evidence (or lack of it). Lol! Let's face it, even with the late appointment of Damien Thorn's legal team, they still had the time & resources to get the gps evidence sorted out -- or any other evidence they needed at the time. However, if I remember correctly, GPS evidence back in 2003 was futile, as it could not track a person's whereabouts down specifically or within acceptable legal parameters; certainly not accurate enough to be used by either the defence or prosecution? Surely it would have been used if it could further a legal argument in court?
Mr. Apples,
I am not sure why you are singling out GPS data, as opposed to cell phone data more generally. There have been cases in which cell phone data has been strongly debated (Adnan Syed, in 1999). The defense was prepared to offer cell phone data in the Duke lacrosse case (2006). The law firm defending Frank Esposito against the charge of arson (circa 2000) felt that the cell phone data was so probative that when the family's money ran out, they spent a considerable amount of their own money. The failure to collect data in this case falls entirely at the doorstep of the police.
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If ever there was a prime example of being glib, this is it. Can you expand on this? Extra points if you don't mention gps evidence (or lack of it). Lol! Let's face it, even with the late appointment of Damien Thorn's legal team, they still had the time & resources to get the gps evidence sorted out -- or any other evidence they needed at the time. However, if I remember correctly, GPS evidence back in 2003 was futile, as it could not track a person's whereabouts down specifically or within acceptable legal parameters; certainly not accurate enough to be used by either the defence or prosecution? Surely it would have been used if it could further a legal argument in court?
Correct Mr Apples - This repetition of implanting fallacy continues as someone else works their way through the book. The cell cite analysis at the time was indeed futile and very much a reason why the defence could do no more with it. Within a mile radius of accuracy from the nearest mast/provider. As the crow flies between two points, west and east, they could only determine it was used between those areas. Not its exact spot. Using of course phone logs (that are still hidden), to show LM using the speaking clock whilst out and about, times he was unlikely to have been home, on his way to school, lunch time and so forth. DF could do not better with cell cite analysis that was unable to pin point and exact location within a mile radius. Within the area of LM's movements that day.
They really are all over the shop with constant contradictions - What codswallop, pulling out the evidence may not have been strong, just that defence did not do all these things we think they should have done, who are these people to place themselves above the expertise of DF on the basis of fallacy fed to them?
CCTV, do they even stop to think what they are actually saying here, spinning different words on that same yarn, making it sound like their own idea when it is clearly not. 2003 and the shop in Newtongrange was "Morning, Noon and Night" not part of the coop group until later. Checking that CCTV for timings and people in the area such as the boys on the cycles, they caught/captured CM in a place she claimed not to be, giving alibi to her son at this point falsely. So certainly with CCTV it aided that investigation, around dishonesty for a start. To then have the honesty of AO's, who had told police of his route, when they checked he was exactly where he stated, using this as a starting point to time the schoolgirl leaving her home. Sl's inbuilt trial attendee in the shape of LM is the last person to be relying upon where honesty is concerned, he was proven beyond all doubt to be just that, a compulsive liar.
The store AB used had NO internal CCTV, not even sure it has any to date, it did however, as does both the ones in Newtongrange and Mayfield, have cameras at the cashpoint externally. Trouble with the one AB used, it was out front and not in the car park area, where it would not capture anything of leaving and exiting towards the east. Mayfield pretty much the same, Newtongrange to the side and facing on to most of the car park. Not sure when this changed to a coop, before or after 2003.
Therefore the bank statement was used for that transaction, the till mechanism tested, shown without argument to have been faulty. But we have Chris keep on spinning that same narrative, excess time to view a house that was not actively viewed inside or out really. But a minute approx from the entrance of that path and the sighting heading south. But, and those contradictions of course, DF was simply the bees knees as they zone in on those tiny areas he attempted with witnesses, making out of this great succession with them! Face them with the failure and it is, oh he should have done all these things, that he quite clearly could not do! Like the dog expert, faced with those statements, faced with LM's lies around position and so forth. a futile exercise to introduce some dog expert when none of them were where LM tried to claim.
And they just keep on lying, not mistakes, not errors, full on lies - What is one to do however when trying to promote a compulsive liars account? But lie along with him and add more on top. Harping on and on about "hidden" anything without PROOF, whilst we can see 100% with proof, that the only person doing any 'hiding' is of course LM, controlling to the max what his enablers put out.
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Correct Mr Apples - This repetition of implanting fallacy continues as someone else works their way through the book. The cell cite analysis at the time was indeed futile and very much a reason why the defence could do no more with it. Within a mile radius of accuracy from the nearest mast/provider. As the crow flies between two points, west and east, they could only determine it was used between those areas. Not its exact spot. Using of course phone logs (that are still hidden), to show LM using the speaking clock whilst out and about, times he was unlikely to have been home, on his way to school, lunch time and so forth. DF could do not better with cell cite analysis that was unable to pin point and exact location within a mile radius. Within the area of LM's movements that day.
They really are all over the shop with constant contradictions - What codswallop, pulling out the evidence may not have been strong, just that defence did not do all these things we think they should have done, who are these people to place themselves above the expertise of DF on the basis of fallacy fed to them?
CCTV, do they even stop to think what they are actually saying here, spinning different words on that same yarn, making it sound like their own idea when it is clearly not. 2003 and the shop in Newtongrange was "Morning, Noon and Night" not part of the coop group until later. Checking that CCTV for timings and people in the area such as the boys on the cycles, they caught/captured CM in a place she claimed not to be, giving alibi to her son at this point falsely. So certainly with CCTV it aided that investigation, around dishonesty for a start. To then have the honesty of AO's, who had told police of his route, when they checked he was exactly where he stated, using this as a starting point to time the schoolgirl leaving her home. Sl's inbuilt trial attendee in the shape of LM is the last person to be relying upon where honesty is concerned, he was proven beyond all doubt to be just that, a compulsive liar.
The store AB used had NO internal CCTV, not even sure it has any to date, it did however, as does both the ones in Newtongrange and Mayfield, have cameras at the cashpoint externally. Trouble with the one AB used, it was out front and not in the car park area, where it would not capture anything of leaving and exiting towards the east. Mayfield pretty much the same, Newtongrange to the side and facing on to most of the car park. Not sure when this changed to a coop, before or after 2003.
Therefore the bank statement was used for that transaction, the till mechanism tested, shown without argument to have been faulty. But we have Chris keep on spinning that same narrative, excess time to view a house that was not actively viewed inside or out really. But a minute approx from the entrance of that path and the sighting heading south. But, and those contradictions of course, DF was simply the bees knees as they zone in on those tiny areas he attempted with witnesses, making out of this great succession with them! Face them with the failure and it is, oh he should have done all these things, that he quite clearly could not do! Like the dog expert, faced with those statements, faced with LM's lies around position and so forth. a futile exercise to introduce some dog expert when none of them were where LM tried to claim.
And they just keep on lying, not mistakes, not errors, full on lies - What is one to do however when trying to promote a compulsive liars account? But lie along with him and add more on top. Harping on and on about "hidden" anything without PROOF, whilst we can see 100% with proof, that the only person doing any 'hiding' is of course LM, controlling to the max what his enablers put out.
Thank goodness that a small shop like Morning, Noon and Night had a functioning CCTV system in order to pick up Corrine’s movements and how unfortunate that there was not one working camera outside the large supermarket used by Andrina Bryson, or indeed any of the rather busy roads used to get her to her sighting, that was able to pick her up too. In fact you seem to be suggesting that the only cameras that were working were ones that bolstered the prosecution’s case. Is that correct? No cameras on the Newbattle Road either it would seem which could have taken the guesswork out of Walsh and Fleming’s sighting. Such a long, main road and it would seem absolutely no CCTV cameras.
Do people actually believe this?
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https://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/
In 2008 L. Scott Harrell wrote, "With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the phone is to within a hundred feet or so using “triangulation” because at any one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6 to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the phone’s carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can triangulate the phone’s approximate position."
In the Duke Lacrosse case CF's defense team was prepared to present data on triangulation had the case gone to trial. My understanding is that the accuracy depends upon the density of cell towers, and I have seen estimates that were less precise that that offered above, more on the order of 500 meters. I am not claiming that cell phone data would necessarily have been probative, only that it should have been obtained. My understanding is that it is about a mile between LM's house and the beginning of the path in Easthouses.
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Thank goodness that a small shop like Morning, Noon and Night had a functioning CCTV system in order to pick up Corrine’s movements and how unfortunate that there was not one working camera outside the large supermarket used by Andrina Bryson, or indeed any of the rather busy roads used to get her to her sighting, that was able to pick her up too. In fact you seem to be suggesting that the only cameras that were working were ones that bolstered the prosecution’s case. Is that correct? No cameras on the Newbattle Road either it would seem which could have taken the guesswork out of Walsh and Fleming’s sighting. Such a long, main road and it would seem absolutely no CCTV cameras.
Do people actually believe this?
Was the defence denied access to this CCTV you presume exists to support Luke’s claims?
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So what have i missed. I guess i need a catch-up on Leans con. Then again, maybe not, same old recycled nonsense getting spouted.
No cameras on the Newbattle Road either it would seem which could have taken the guesswork out of Walsh and Fleming’s sighting. Such a long, main road and it would seem absolutely no CCTV cameras.
Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework, and this once again proves how very little this particular poster knows about anything. Making things up, trying to sensationalize, as well as trying to re-write history.
The B703 (Newbattle Road) Is a minor road, connecting the B6482 from the village of Newtongrange to the B6392 Eskbank roundabout, it is around 1.5 miles in length and is tree lined on both sides the majority of the way. A country type road if you like.
Now in the early 2000's, maybe somebody can correct me, with evidence of course, that minor B road's, in the back of beyond of a couple of villages in Scotland, let along any B road in Scotland, CCTV to monitor such roads was not exactly a priority. Not even in 2023 the connecting Eskbank roundabout has no CCTV, quite a busy wee roundabout in its own right.
Do people actually believe this?
So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.
Need to do better.
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Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework...
So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.
Need to do better.
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If only DF had done his job better and got the 2 witnesses that saw a mystery man, following Jodi and another mystery witness spotting the moped at the V in the wall from almost half a mile away. If only he'd got all this plus this CCTV footage and CellPhone data then LM might be a free man drinking afternoon tea with F'Lilly etc.
As far as I'm aware the NB Road still does not have cameras. It's a country road that our resident troll would know about after claiming to be familiar with the area and crime scene.
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If only DF had done his job better and got the 2 witnesses that saw a mystery man, following Jodi and another mystery witness spotting the moped at the V in the wall from almost half a mile away. If only he'd got all this plus this CCTV footage and CellPhone data then LM might be a free man drinking afternoon tea with F'Lilly etc.
As far as I'm aware the NB Road still does not have cameras. It's a country road that our resident troll would know about after claiming to be familiar with the area and crime scene.
Agree. It is not as if it was a funding problem, with a mouth watering £450'000 at the defences disposal and a farther £120'000 used since the conviction for multiple failed appeals.
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Was the defence denied access to this CCTV you presume exists to support Luke’s claims?
It is possible that the police failed to collect CCTV footage, just as it is possible that they collected and chose to withhold this information (the Malkinson case is a reminder that police often fail to disclose evidence). In either situation the defense would not have access to it if it were overwritten before the defense team had time to form and take stock of the situation. If the data existed, it might either strengthen or weaken the prosecution's case. IMO similar comments apply to cell phone data.
This is as good a time as any to make a more general comment about the criminal justice system and alibi evidence. It is to be expected that the police and prosecution will test alibi evidence, but they must do so in an impartial manner for the investigation yield believable results.
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Agree. It is not as if it was a funding problem, with a mouth watering £450'000 at the defences disposal and a farther £120'000 used since the conviction for multiple failed appeals.
Lean is now accepting donations via Paypal for her ongoing 'casework' after her BuyMeACoffee campaign was cancelled for breaking their terms.
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Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework...
So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.
Need to do better.
If only DF had done his job better and got the 2 witnesses that saw a mystery man, following Jodi and another mystery witness spotting the moped at the V in the wall from almost half a mile away. If only he'd got all this plus this CCTV footage and CellPhone data then LM might be a free man drinking afternoon tea with F'Lilly etc.
As far as I'm aware the NB Road still does not have cameras. It's a country road that our resident troll would know about after claiming to be familiar with the area and crime scene.
As far as you know?
You seem to know as much about CCTV cameras in that area as Findlay’s opinion on Luke as the murderer.
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Lean is now accepting donations via Paypal for her ongoing 'casework' after her BuyMeACoffee campaign was cancelled for breaking their terms.
Casework, haha, i'm getting a good chuckle tonight. The case is closed, it is done and dusted. No solicitor with any credibility will touch it.
But not surprised, been on the grift since the WAP days. Pulling on heart strings and spouting sensationalized nonsense. As well as playing the victim. Amazing how people fall for it, without question.
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So what have i missed. I guess i need a catch-up on Leans con. Then again, maybe not, same old recycled nonsense getting spouted.
Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework, and this once again proves how very little this particular poster knows about anything. Making things up, trying to sensationalize, as well as trying to re-write history.
The B703 (Newbattle Road) Is a minor road, connecting the B6482 from the village of Newtongrange to the B6392 Eskbank roundabout, it is around 1.5 miles in length and is tree lined on both sides the majority of the way. A country type road if you like.
Now in the early 2000's, maybe somebody can correct me, with evidence of course, that minor B road's, in the back of beyond of a couple of villages in Scotland, let along any B road in Scotland, CCTV to monitor such roads was not exactly a priority. Not even in 2023 the connecting Eskbank roundabout has no CCTV, quite a busy wee roundabout in its own right.
So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.
Need to do better.
So the only CCTV cameras in the area were at Morning, Noon and Night and on Ovens route home.
Not one CCTV camera on Bryson’s route from the supermarket to her ‘sighting’?
And none on the route or at the supermarket that Walsh and Fleming were heading towards when they saw their ‘sighting’? That could have given a more accurate timeline.
Okkkaaayyyy!
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So the only CCTV cameras in the area were at Morning, Noon and Night and on Ovens route home.
Not one CCTV camera on Bryson’s route from the supermarket to her ‘sighting’?
And none on the route or at the supermarket that Walsh and Fleming were heading towards when they saw their ‘sighting’? That could have given a more accurate timeline.
Okkkaaayyyy!
You got caught out once again. So easy.
Long main road @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
But i'm curious, since you know it all, what was the supermarket called? Where exactly was it? And what route exactly did Flemming & Walsh take that day from start to finish.
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You got caught out once again. So easy.
Long main road @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
But i'm curious, since you know it all, what was the supermarket called? Where exactly was it? And what route exactly did Flemming & Walsh take that day from start to finish.
I don’t pretend to know everything and I don’t need to.
What I do know is that if L&B police could, through CCTV footage, find the route taken home of both Corrine and Alan Ovens they could certainly have found the route taken by Bryson and Walsh by the same method. Not only the route but the timeline too.
That they didn’t either look or, more worryingly, did look but didn’t disclose the information to the defence, raises some serious questions.
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I don’t pretend to know everything
So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.
As you say..
Okkkkkkayyyy
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So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.
As you say..
Okkkkkkayyyy
And as I’ve said before every individual who has had their murder conviction quashed, after multiple appeals sometimes, was a convicted murderer at some point.
Or do you believe that juries always get it right?
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So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.
"Dogged investigation by APPEAL, including twice taking GMP to court, brought the disclosure failings to light many years after the trial...After APPEAL commissioned DNA testing which revealed the presence of male DNA which could not have come from Mr Malkinson in several other samples from the victim and her clothing, the CCRC in 2022 finally arranged a search of the National DNA Database." If I understand this passage correctly, APPEAL.org also put up money for DNA testing for this convicted rapist, until he wasn't.
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And as I’ve said before every individual who has had their murder conviction quashed, after multiple appeals sometimes, was a convicted murderer at some point.
Or do you believe that juries always get it right?
That Chris rabbles on about other cases, no one cares. It is snore scroll past nonsense. If you want to discuss other case's, open up a thread elsewhere and discuss with someone who cares.
Now can we get back to the Mitchell's. We have come to the conclusion, that you do not know much of anything and make it up as you go along, however I'm specifically interested in Luke's statement's he gave to the police that was read out in full in court. Why is Lean hiding this statement from the people? I'm sure you can give her a nudge and wink, to get this statement uploaded to the web ASAP.
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That Chris rabbles on about other cases, no one cares. It is snore scroll past nonsense. If you want to discuss other case's, open up a thread elsewhere and discuss with someone who cares.
Now can we get back to the Mitchell's. We have come to the conclusion, that you do not know much of anything and make it up as you go along, however I'm specifically interested in Luke's statement's he gave to the police that was read out in full in court. Why is Lean hiding this statement from the people? I'm sure you can give her a nudge and wink, to get this statement uploaded to the web ASAP.
I talk about things that illustrate the many problems with this case, provided that one is willing to read, to ruminate, and to reconsider in the light of new evidence. As to your second paragraph, you should know as well as anyone else that transcripts of court proceedings cannot be published in full. Why do you and others keep making this kind of absurd request?
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As far as you know?
You seem to know as much about CCTV cameras in that area as Findlay’s opinion on Luke as the murderer.
If you knew the area then you would know if there were cameras - have you been? Findlay will give his opinion in private in the right setting. Maybe you also have a friend in the Cowdenbeath Miners Welfare. The fact is, DF, with all his legal ability, couldn't get anywhere near a not guilty verdict.
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If you knew the area then you would know if there were cameras - have you been? Findlay will give his opinion in private in the right setting. Maybe you also have a friend in the Cowdenbeath Miners Welfare. The fact is, DF, with all his legal ability, couldn't get anywhere near a not guilty verdict.
Cameras at Morning, Noon and Night, on Alan Ovens route home and nowhere else. Is that what you’re trying to tell us? Not one camera on either route taken by Bryson or Walsh? No cameras at the supermarkets? You really don’t need to know the area to know that that can’t possibly be true. The only question is did the police simply not retrieve the footage or did they hide it from the defence?
Findlay did give his opinion. We all read it.
It was a majority verdict. We have no idea how close Findlay got to a not guilty verdict.
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I was not typing to you, i was typing about you. But if you insist.
I talk about things that illustrate the many problems with this case
Your source is not transparent with the very little material they have. They use such material, to sensationalize, manipulate, and to implicate other innocent people. Waffling on about other cases, that will be unique in their own right, trying to compare one with another to reinforce one's opinion, that it is the same for all, is quite frankly absurd.
and to reconsider in the light of new evidence.
No new evidence has ever come to light, since the trial.
Why do you and others keep making this kind of absurd request?
Think you are getting a wee bit confused here, Chris. What is absurd, is taking the word of 2 very dodgy untrustworthy characters, without question.
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have no idea
That was figured out a long time ago.
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I was not typing to you, i was typing about you. But if you insist.
Your source is not transparent with the very little material they have. They use such material, to sensationalize, manipulate, and to implicate other innocent people. Waffling on about other cases, that will be unique in their own right, trying to compare one with another to reinforce one's opinion, that it is the same for all, is quite frankly absurd.
No new evidence has ever come to light, since the trial.
Think you are getting a wee bit confused here, Chris. What is absurd, is taking the word of 2 very dodgy untrustworthy characters, without question.
How do you think legal precedents are created?
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F'lilly and Chris. Have you ever looked at the case in a wider context instead of comparing it to the most remote possible cases – the Birmingham 6 etc, really? Have you looked further than Free Library or SL as sources? Have you been near the crime scene or talked to anyone who knew LM or his family, particularly his father and brother, to gain a wider perspective? Have you spoken to anyone that has knowledge of Lean and Forbes unsavoury tactics or do you just believe what you read online?
Have you ever questioned what got LM convicted or just lapped up the alternative ‘poor Luke wouldn't hurt a fly' theory? Have you ever spoken to a member of the Scottish legal profession? SL/SF, who have caused more damage than good, don't count. It's almost as they don't want anything to happen as long as they are kept in the public eye.
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That Chris rabbles on about other cases, no one cares. It is snore scroll past nonsense. If you want to discuss other case's, open up a thread elsewhere and discuss with someone who cares.
Rusty and Ken More,
I corrected Parky41's erroneous statement about the accuracy of positioning a cell phone using triangulation; the cases I mentioned were to illustrate how probative this information can be, either to the defense or to the prosecution.
With respect to the Malkinson case, I wrote a summary on another thread: "The Malkinson case is a cautionary tale with respect to the Mitchell case. Offhand, I would point out that the former case shows that police cannot be relied upon not to destroy evidence, that even old evidence can be probative, that many lawyers believe that the CCRC is not fit for purpose, that eyewitnesses can be very confident yet very wrong, that the police sometimes withhold key information, and that it is important to follow correct eyewitness identification procedures [in order to avoid a mistaken identification]. There is also the question of whether or not majority verdicts (10-2 in the Malkinson case) contribute to wrongful convictions."
Most of the citations I used regarding the Malkinson are found on the Laughable Eyewitness Testimony thread, and many articles have been written in the last month. The relevance of most of these points to the Mitchell case strike me as being so obvious as not to need elaboration. However, let me clarify one thing. Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him, but because of the police starting to destroy evidence, it almost did not come to light. Moreover it is within the universe of possibilities that it would have provided evidence that pointed toward Mr. Malkinson, as opposed to away from him.
To be continued.
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How do you think legal precedents are created?
Over a biscuit and cup of tea, everybody knows that, duh!
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Rusty and Ken More,
I corrected Parky41's wildly erroneous statement about the accuracy of positioning a cell phone using triangulation
Which collage in the states did you attend to obtain your education on technology? Or do you just use Google, aye?
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F'lilly and Chris. Have you ever looked at the case in a wider context instead of comparing it to the most remote possible cases – the Birmingham 6 etc, really? Have you looked further than Free Library or SL as sources? Have you been near the crime scene or talked to anyone who knew LM or his family, particularly his father and brother, to gain a wider perspective? Have you spoken to anyone that has knowledge of Lean and Forbes unsavoury tactics or do you just believe what you read online?
Have you ever questioned what got LM convicted or just lapped up the alternative ‘poor Luke wouldn't hurt a fly' theory? Have you ever spoken to a member of the Scottish legal profession? SL/SF, who have caused more damage than good, don't count. It's almost as they don't want anything to happen as long as they are kept in the public eye.
Kenmore,
One of the reasons that I became interested in the case is because I read Rolfe's comments at ISF, which turned the planks of the prosecution's case into sawdust. She used logic and the known facts of the case to show just how nonprobative the so-called eyewitness testimony was. She also used Google streetview to illustrate some of what was wrong in Ms. Bryson's testimony. The agreed facts of the case are sufficient to demonstrate the weaknesses of the prosecution's case. When I examined the eyewitness testimony in more detail for myself, I took a slightly different focus compared with Rolfe. I read book chapters and found discussions of individual cases (see below for an example).
It is funny you should write the above, because I was just thinking that what is wrong with the pro-guilt position is that it arises from a myopic and narrow view of this case. It is myopic in that only the finished product (the certainty of the witnesses) is examined, as opposed to considering how it came to be or whether it makes sense. It is narrow because it ignores decades of study on the causes of wrongful convictions. The same errors show up time and time again.
With respect to this case I liken the police and prosecution to car salesman who put sawdust in the transmission of a beat up jalopy. One of the things that got LM convicted is no one checked under the hood. Another thing that got him convicted was his picture in the paper in mid-August. Sloppy and sensationalistic reporting was another factor.
Let me take the issue of suggestive photo lineups as an illustration of how I approach aspects of the case. I have offered the examples of the Dean Gillispie and Thomas Sophonow cases. I also quoted Brandon L. Garrett: “Although showups may be highly suggestive, a lineup may also be suggestive if it is not set up fairly. At least 34% of the trials obtained with eyewitness testimony (55 of 161 trials) were biased, or stacked to make the suspect stand out. If some of the fillers in the lineup do not look anything like the description of the culprit, or the suspect, then the lineup is not a sound test of the eyewitnesses’ memory." Professor Garrett is easily among the foremost experts on wrongful convictions in the country. Besides those sources, I used the 2008 appeal summary. This information, and quite a bit more, is now found at the Laughable Eyewitness Testimony thread.
The Free Library has its limits, but your alternatives are difficult to take seriously. The notion put forward some time ago that local people have some inside knowledge is dubious at best, given the poor quality of the reporting in this case. Based on my experience with another case, I don't place much weight on what relatives think. I have seen people here truck in rumors concerning what the family members believe, and I put even less stock in those.
EDT
Professor David Wilson spent part of his career as a prison governor and designed facilities for some of the most disruptive prisoners. I would strongly question the idea that he jumped to the conclusion that Luke would not hurt a fly. He wrote, "Witness testimony is weak, inconsistent and more than likely wrong, and about the only thing that I could see that needed to be investigated more fully was his part in the initial discovery of Jodi’s body. However, this was not just a case of circumstantial evidence leading to a conviction, but one of literally no evidence at all." In other words he saw what other have seen, an incoherent mess of a case.
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No new evidence has ever come to light, since the trial.
A great deal of new information is available from studies of wrongful convictions in general, or from a study of the Malkinson case as a recent example. According to some reports there are items in this case that could be subjected to DNA profiling, and the Malkinson case is a reminder of how probative such testing can potentially be.
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Which collage in the states did you attend to obtain your education on technology? Or do you just use Google, aye?
This subject is outside of my professional knowledge, which is why I offered a link. Parky41 offered none. Why did you did not ask him for a citation?
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I will be honest Chris, you blow us out of the water. We cannot compete with your expertise, sitting at home on your laptop 3000 miles away. Your sources and citations are impeccable, Rolfie and their Google Maps, random book chapters, rapists in England, reports from the gutter press. You have got this all figured out, without seeing a single court transcript. I cannot wait to see how your application to the SCCRC goes, keep us updated pal 8((()*/
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I will be honest Chris, you blow us out of the water.
Rusty,
Do you have access to the court transcripts? From where do you receive information about this case?
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Rusty,
From where do you receive information about this case?
Pub's in West/Midlothian. These places are a hot bed of information. But when you make your trip over to Scotland, to prepare your application. I'd probably give these establishments a miss. I'd stick to the bingo hall's if i was you, in fact on second thoughts, give them a miss too, those old fish wives, jeezy peeps, worse than the men 8(0(* That's all iv'e got pal, anything else i can help you with, please do ask. I will try my best 8((()*/
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Anyway, i'm off to the pub to drown my sorrows, i cannot believe after all these years Chris and his impeccable sources and citations have convinced me.
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Kenmore,
One of the reasons that I became interested in the case is because I read Rolfe's comments at ISF....
Who is 'Rolfe' and why are their comments to believed more than another's? Surely if you were to look at your eyewitness theory, then Shane would be the main one, and he couldn't positively identify LM as being home at that time and has not spoken out since - a huge red flag. Apart from CM, not one single person who knew LM's character and behaviour at the time has spoken out to support him. Very few LM defenders who attend the protests are from the Dalkeith area and most people are sick of it.
If a murder was committed in my street then local knowledge would play a huge part, after sifting out the gossip. Actual physical knowledge of the crime scene far outweighs Google Maps which doesn't show RDP in any detail.
I'm not sure why you would want to exclude all this wealth of knowledge and claim if something happened in Case A then the same must be true for Case B. I appreciate you like to dig deep but if you were to focus on more local aspects it would reveal much more than your singular eyewitness theory.
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Rolfe should be judged in the same way as one judges other commenters, by the logic of her arguments. Regarding Shane, what I said upthread applies just as strongly. It is myopic to only look at the end-result. Here are two of seven recommendations regarding alibi witnesses from Canada:
5. The alibi witnesses should not be subjected to cross-examination or suggestions by the police that they are mistaken. The alibi witnesses should be treated with respect and courtesy. They should not be threatened or intimidated or influenced to change their position. However, I agree that it is appropriate for the police to instruct the witnesses that it is essential that they tell the truth and that a statement can be used as proof of its contents. The witnesses should be advised that they should be careful to tell the truth and of the consequences of a failure to do so.
7. It is essential that any further interviews of Crown witnesses following the disclosure of the alibi evidence should as well be videotaped or, if that is impossible, audiotaped. Every portion of the interview should be transcribed. Any statement alleged to have been made by the witness and which does not appear on the tape recording should be deemed to be inadmissible.
https://www.millerthomson.com/assets/files/article_attachments/Wrongful_Convictions_in_Canada.pdf
Obviously they are not legally binding on another country, but they are sensible and practical. Problems with the investigation into Shane's statements began with the FLO. Shane's revised account of that Monday was backed up by his friend(s) and by other evidence. Yet the FLO kept on saying that she could not accept this or that. Remarkably the situation got even more absurd when he and Corinne were charged with perverting the course of justice. The only evidence which conflicted with theirs at this point in the investigation was ABs, and her evidence changed over time. The Scottish authorities in essence took the ideas I alluded to above and stamped on them with muddy boots. The whole concept of charging eyewitnesses with perverting the course of justice prior to a trial is ripe for rethinking.
EDT
Alan Turnbull's shock and awe tactics were also dubious.
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Problems with the investigation into Shane's statements began with the FLO.
You have never seen these statements, you have absolutely no idea, how the process went down. Which make the rest of your point mute.
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You have never seen these statements, you have absolutely no idea, how the process went down. Which make the rest of your point mute.
Chris, I could get an Off the Record statement from Shane tomorrow that would blow your endless witness theory away. Post Code EH52 XXX. Will you then consider the logic of his argument the same as "Rolfe"?
It is well known none of the family support LM regardless of your Canadian case studies.
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Chris, I could get an Off the Record statement from Shane tomorrow that would blow your endless witness theory away. Post Code EH52 XXX. Will you then consider the logic of his argument the same as "Rolfe"?
It is well known none of the family support LM regardless of your Canadian case studies.
Off you go then but please provide proof that it’s actually Shane. No missing receipt, concert photo malarkey.
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You have never seen these statements, you have absolutely no idea, how the process went down. Which make the rest of your point mute.
FLO probably did* record the interviews, which is counter to some recommendations I have read. Scotland does not allow transcripts to be published, which is a policy I wish were revisited. I provided pages of Dr. Lean's book. You can accept her account or not. But this discussion brings up another point. My understanding is that once someone becomes suspected of committing a crime, the FLO is supposed to have a second person at the interview. This applies not just to Luke, but also to Shane and Corinne, who were later charged. This is yet another procedural deficiency in this investigation (it is not easy to keep track of all of them).
EDT
*I meant to write "did not"
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Chris, I could get an Off the Record statement from Shane tomorrow that would blow your endless witness theory away. Post Code EH52 XXX. Will you then consider the logic of his argument the same as "Rolfe"?
It is well known none of the family support LM regardless of your Canadian case studies.
It would be quite interesting to know what Shane had to say, provided that his identity were known with certainty. With respect to Rolfe, her identity is hardly a secret, but it seems to me that we are talking about different concepts. Rolfe is a very logical thinker; Shane has knowledge that many others do not.
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It would be quite interesting to know what Shane had to say, provided that his identity were known with certainty. With respect to Rolfe, her identity is hardly a secret, but it seems to me that we are talking about different concepts. Rolfe is a very logical thinker; Shane has knowledge that many others do not.
He certainly does and lots of it - Did not see his brother home, admitted to lying and why he had lied. Three people, same household., in the very first instance all handing over wrongful account of their movements. The alibi a farce. like trying to fit an elephant into a phone box once the winging it came crashing down around them. Strength in numbers, not in this instance it was not.
But I do agree, who has heard of someone not having time to themselves whilst others are about, not really the point though, is it. Played perfectly to have SM admit to lying and why he had lied. He was not in the kitchen, his mother had no psychic powers to say what he was thinking (my word!)Active on the internet, mother not home, no brother. Blown wide open.
Question time again for you - How many statements did SM give? Which were recorded? Dates and times? When did the FLO first speak to him?
And if you do not know the answers then why do you not know them, why do you not ask?
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He certainly does and lots of it - Did not see his brother home, admitted to lying and why he had lied. Three people, same household., in the very first instance all handing over wrongful account of their movements. The alibi a farce. like trying to fit an elephant into a phone box once the winging it came crashing down around them. Strength in numbers, not in this instance it was not.
But I do agree, who has heard of someone not having time to themselves whilst others are about, not really the point though, is it. Played perfectly to have SM admit to lying and why he had lied. He was not in the kitchen, his mother had no psychic powers to say what he was thinking (my word!)Active on the internet, mother not home, no brother. Blown wide open.
Question time again for you - How many statements did SM give? Which were recorded? Dates and times? When did the FLO first speak to him?
And if you do not know the answers then why do you not know them, why do you not ask?
Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting Luke surely all of their accounts would be the same?
Much like the Jones/Walker search party whose accounts all tallied with Luke’s but over the months changed in absolute tandem with each other.
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Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting Luke surely all of their accounts would be the same?
Much like the Jones/Walker search party whose accounts all tallied with Luke’s but over the months changed in absolute tandem with each other.
@)(++(* - How many times has that been pointed out on the Madeleine McCann forum re: the McCanns and their friends' witness statements? I don't recall you ever, ever, EVER accepting it there, so what a cheek to be trotting out that line here.
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@)(++(* - How many times has that been pointed out on the Madeleine McCann forum re: the McCanns and their friends' witness statements? I don't recall you ever, ever, EVER accepting it there, so what a cheek to be trotting out that line here.
They really are a piece of work, falling over themselves constantly with the BS speech. 8@??)(
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"Much like the Jones/Walker search party whose accounts all tallied with Luke’s but over the months changed in absolute tandem with each other."
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Lying again I see, such is your way, nature even. - Not on your sweet life did their accounts collude with Mitchells, chalk and cheese. Again, to those breaks approaching from the east, always to those breaks from the first to the last. Not so much the 4th person, not quite 60ft to exactly 43ft and "parallel to" - Boring and tedious as per, this constant erasing of LM and his very reason for given why he knew exactly where to go. It's all in the lie dear, of where he said his dog did this alert, clear that away, with the evidence from the first statements to the last, which did happen. LM only had special knowledge. no dog, no him, no others where he claimed. Leading that dog on its short lead attached to the harness. No dog in any woodland, only LM knowing exactly where to go, around 10ft and the most amazing detail! Through trees the lot. - Behave. Away and feed your lies to those who soak them up.
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Lying again I see, such is your way, nature even. - Not on your sweet life did their accounts collude with Mitchells, chalk and cheese. Again, to those breaks approaching from the east, always to those breaks from the first to the last. Not so much the 4th person, not quite 60ft to exactly 43ft and "parallel to" - Boring and tedious as per, this constant erasing of LM and his very reason for given why he knew exactly where to go. It's all in the lie dear, of where he said his dog did this alert, clear that away, with the evidence from the first statements to the last, which did happen. LM only had special knowledge. no dog, no him, no others where he claimed. Leading that dog on its short lead attached to the harness. No dog in any woodland, only LM knowing exactly where to go, around 10ft and the most amazing detail! Through trees the lot. - Behave. Away and feed your lies to those who soak them up.
How many reputable sources will it take to point out the changes to the search party’s statements before you’ll admit the truth?
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How many reputable sources will it take to point out the changes to the search party’s statements before you’ll admit the truth?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/
"This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant."
From The Herald on 16 September 2018
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/
"This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant."
From The Herald on 16 September 2018
Craig Dobbie stated;
“It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.
Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events”
https://www.scotsman.com/news/the-clues-that-snared-a-murderer-2470415
Referring to the 4th July 2003 Craig Dobbie stated;
“We made it clear he was under caution - it was only fair to him to do so. This was when he further entrenched his position
This was a few days on after the killing so what he was saying at this stage was probably more accurate
There were critical differences in what he was saying about when the body was found. The family were consistent in their evidence
They all said Luke never walked past the V in the wall before climbing over and discovering the body.
But Luke’s version was completely different
He said he walked past the wall a considerable distance and the dog reacted at the point relating to where Jodi’s body was
We couldn’t get away from this conflict in versions.
Why don’t you ask sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and/or scammer Sandra Lean to publish the murderers (Luke Mitchell) 1st July 22 page written witness statement along with the transcripts of his 4th July 2003 police interview?
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Scotland does not allow transcripts to be published
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell can publish his own “transcripts” ie: his 1st July 2003 22 page written witness statement along with the transcripts of his police interviews.
In the case of the latter transcripts, killer Luke Mitchell knows he can redact police questions
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell can also publish the Scottish criminal cases review commissions 200 page statement of reasons as to why they think he’s guilty
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Rolfe is a very logical thinker
Are you referring to “Holly Goodhead”?
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"The Malkinson case is a cautionary tale with respect to the Mitchell case
Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s appeal and public relations spin campaign is yet another example of the innocence fraud phenomenon
Innocence fraud is a very real phenomenon which the majority of people within the wrongful conviction cult-like movement choose to fail to address
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With respect to the Malkinson case, I wrote a summary on another thread: "The Malkinson case is a cautionary tale with respect to the Mitchell case.
Offhand, I would point out that the former case shows that police cannot be relied upon not to destroy evidence
Can you detail exactly what was allegedly destroyed, when it was destroyed, by whom it was destroyed and why it was destroyed?
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With respect to the Malkinson case,
that eyewitnesses can be very confident yet very wrong
Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victim has not retracted the fact she would “never forget” Malkinson’s face!
Nor has the fact Malkinson’s victim identified him on the 3rd August 2003 during the photographic video ID parade been discredited!
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"The Malkinson case is a cautionary tale with respect to the Mitchell case
Only a deceptive con artist would compare the two cases!
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However, let me clarify one thing. Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him, but because of the police starting to destroy evidence, it almost did not come to light.
You are making things up!
The pieces of material, cut from violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing ie; camisole vest top, were NOT in the custody/possession of the police!
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Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him
How did the dna testing which was carried out in relation to violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s case, compare to the dna testing in bomber Sean Hoey’s case?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dna-test-puts-innocent-at-risk-of-convictions-6tl93gkwcjh
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Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him
Where is the evidence violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victim’s nipple was bitten to cause the “laceration” and when exactly did this injury occur?
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/
"This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant."
From The Herald on 16 September 2018
The dog and wall saga continues - Let us go with dog and wall. All in harmony with LM. Nope can't do that because it was not in harmony, the only thing the same was dog and wall, nothing else, context, the everything missing as per on repeat.
Now you are saying they were telling the truth, those first accounts, we go with those first accounts only - OK? Here is how truthful the search trio were. Those incredulous descriptions, that proved 100% the events happened exactly as described. Which, no matter how many ways you swing it, was always to the V from the east, momentarily stopping with LM, AW staying behind, JaJ's with SK then walking down further after LM entered the woods.
That slithering of truth, dog and wall, will always be just that, a slithering of truth. - Remember, we know the search trio, those descriptions, could only have happened exactly as they stated, we have always known this. We know they were telling the truth, as has been highlighted repeatedly. - Ignore their change/clarifications let us turn to LM here.
Why did he lie? the other three were telling the truth, so why did LM lie? Why did he tell the police they had been around 60ft past when they had not? Why did he claim his dog alerted around 60ft past the break when it had not. When given the chance to clarify and amend, why did he further lie? He changed it to exactly 43ft and "parallel to" where the body lay in the woods. Drew his map. And he lied some more, he stated, that beside him when his dog alerted, this 60ft to 43ft was JaJ's and SK, that they just kept on walking down the path, whilst he returned. - So, you tell me Chris, why was he lying when they were all quite clearly at the V break in that wall, directly to it from the first to the testimony in court, why did LM lie?
Remember they were telling the truth, we know the changes but this is the first accounts. We know from everything they said, the descriptions and all else, they were telling the truth. One was clearly lying, which was LM, as we know that nothing they described could have taken place where LM claimed, not even 10 ft past with eyes in the back of their heads. - I am happy with that, whatever way you swing it, LM had special knowledge, because we know why he lied, it was the very essence and reason he gave, for knowing exactly where to go - Into that woodland he claimed not to have set foot in before, walked around 10 steps - behave!
And for the last time, this constant DF did this - Seriously! These fragments, empty and meaningless without the everything.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/
"This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant."
From The Herald on 16 September 2018
The above makes no sense whatsoever!
Why did you choose to quote a lazy, grifting journalist, who more than likely did not attend sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial, and who failed to quote directly what was said during the trial?
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881799.circumstantial-evidence-convicted-luke-mitchell/
"This claim was initially corroborated by the family members of the search party. Files show that these statements were changed approximately one month after the event. The original statements, which supported Mitchell’s claim, were put to the witnesses by his defence QC Donald Findlay but they said they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant."
From The Herald on 16 September 2018
What “original statements” exactly was this lazy, grifting journalist on about?
Who exactly said “they were unable to remember or it was not what they meant”?
This is absolute nonsense!
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What “original statements” exactly was this lazy, grifting journalist on about?
Certainly nothing he had actually read, that is for sure.
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Certainly nothing he had actually read, that is for sure.
It’s surprising that none of the search party three ever refuted that they had changed their initial statements, even when accused of it on the BBC. They could have asked for a simple retraction and apology. It’s telling that they didn’t.
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They weren’t “items” of clothing - they were small scraps of material cut from Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing “items”
However, let me clarify one thing. Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him, but because of the police starting to destroy evidence, it almost did not come to light
You are making things up!
The pieces of material, cut from violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing ie; camisole vest top, were NOT in the custody/possession of the police!
1st February 2022
Michael Cowen BBC radio 4
“Andy is now waiting to hear whether his application to the Criminal Cases Review Commission - the body which has the power to send his case to the Court of Appeal - is successful. The DNA tests that appear to exonerate him came from swabs stored in the National Forensic Archive - a government organisation tasked with preserving evidence from historical cases. And it’s fortunate for Andy that they do exist, because the clothing worn by the victim on the night of the attack and collected as evidence has been lost - or even destroyed - by Greater Manchester Police, the force investigating the crime. Emily Bolton is Andy’s solicitor.
Emily Bolton:
“What happens is when the police gather evidence in a rape, they not only gather up the clothing of the victim, they also take swabs from intimate areas in order to gather any physical evidence that may be present there, but also the clothing itself is swabbed or little bits of it are cut out, and those teeny tiny samples from the victim are separately stored, so they’re taken off to a lab and stored and then tested. Those were preserved. However, if you think about it, the original material is the clothing worn by the victim on that day, and that evidence, they never get all the evidence from the clothing. They get a little bit, take that off and test it. If they can get a result from that – great; if they can’t get a result from that, they might come back, but the clothing itself is the evidence that’s now missing. So, the swabs were being held in a different place to where the clothing was being held, the swabs and small samples from the clothing. The main bulk of the evidence, the garments worn by the victim on the day, are what seems to have disappeared[
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You are making things up!
The pieces of material, cut from violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing ie; camisole vest top, were NOT in the custody/possession of the police!
Let us start with establishing the destruction of evidence. The Independent wrote, "It [Appeal.org] also accused the force of unlawfully destroying key evidence connected to the case."
The Justice Gap wrote, "Emily Bolton, director of APPEAL and Malkinson’s lawyer, pointed out that the DNA breakthrough was ‘very nearly rendered impossible by the police’s unlawful failure to retain key exhibits’. ‘We will continue to push for accountability,’ she added."
Another article at The Guardian stated, "Malkinson’s conviction was overturned when DNA samples from the victim’s clothing, which had been preserved in a forensic archive, were tested and found to contain DNA from someone who was likely to have been the attacker. This breakthrough was almost missed as the victim’s vest top, bra, knickers and other clothing were destroyed by GMP, despite a preservation order being in place."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/07/police-withheld-evidence-making-rape-conviction-unsafe-says-uk-court-of-appeal-andrew-malkinson
If all of the evidence had been in the possession of GMP, they might have destroyed it. The evidence that they did destroy might have yielded additional clues, but we will never know.
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However, let me clarify one thing. Some items in Mr. Malkinson's case yielded DNA evidence that pointed away from him, but because of the police starting to destroy evidence, it almost did not come to light
Let us start with establishing the destruction of evidence.
How about admitting you were telling bare faced lies
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The Independent wrote, "It [Appeal.org] also accused the force of unlawfully destroying key evidence connected to the case."
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Appeal have also stated violent rapist Andrew Malkinson was/is “innocent” without providing any believable evidence
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The Justice Gap wrote, "Emily Bolton, director of APPEAL and Malkinson’s lawyer, pointed out that the DNA breakthrough was ‘very nearly rendered impossible by the police’s unlawful failure to retain key exhibits’. ‘We will continue to push for accountability,’ she added."
Jon Robins is another con artist and grifter!
Again, the small piece of material cut from Andrew Malkinson’s vistims camisole top wasn’t in the possession of the police!
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Another article at The Guardian stated, "Malkinson’s conviction was overturned when DNA samples from the victim’s clothing, which had been preserved in a forensic archive, were tested and found to contain DNA from someone who was likely to have been the attacker.."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/07/police-withheld-evidence-making-rape-conviction-unsafe-says-uk-court-of-appeal-andrew-malkinson
Mr B was/is almost 10 years younger than violent rapist Andrew Malkinson
Why don’t you ask all these fraudsters what was said during Malkinson’s trial by his victim about the “bright red insect bites, like measles” on his skin
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Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'
Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.
'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'
I am not sure how many times that this will have to be posted.
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If all of the evidence had been in the possession of GMP, they might have destroyed it. The evidence that they did destroy might have yielded additional clues, but we will never know.
Where’s the concrete proof that violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing was destroyed?
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Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'
Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.
'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'
I am not sure how many times that this will have to be posted.
You can post this over and over - it makes no difference to the facts and the truth!
There is no evidence anywhere that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was ever in “hysterics” - not even in his own evidence!
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How about admitting you were telling bare faced lies
You misunderstood and twisted what I wrote. That there were samples remaining in the archive is a fortunate thing, but from what I can gather, one should not count on the continued existence of this archive. If the sampled in the archive had been discarded, then the police's destruction of what was in their hands would have utterly prevented this particular miscarriage from being undone.
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You misunderstood and twisted what I wrote
Lol
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That there were samples remaining in the archive is a fortunate thing
What exactly was tested - do you know?
Were the small, cut out pieces of material re-tested or was this a computer test of some description carried out by someone calling themselves a forensic scientist?
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then the police's destruction of what was in their hands
Where’s the concrete proof that violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s victims clothing was destroyed?
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this particular miscarriage
*&^^&
Again, violent rapist and convicted fraudster Andrew Malkinson’s appeal and public relations spin campaign is yet another example of the innocence fraud phenomenon
The fact that grifter Alex Chalk has said there will be a “non-statutory investigation” by a “senior legal figure” shows how deep innocence fraud goes within the criminal justice system
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Findlay asks: 'Are you saying the police have written something wrong in the statement.'
Janine answers: 'I may have phrased it wrong. They may have taken it down wrong. I didn't mean everyone was in hysterics.
'As I said, the police have misrepresented it.'
I am not sure how many times that this will have to be posted.
Janine Jones signed her original statement as a true record of what she said. She also signed subsequent statements in the month following the murder as true. It was only as the police began to focus more heavily on Luke that those ‘recollections’ changed. It would be very interesting to see those original statements and how they began to change.
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Janine Jones signed her original statement as a true record of what she said. She also signed subsequent statements in the month following the murder as true. It was only as the police began to focus more heavily on Luke that those ‘recollections’ changed. It would be very interesting to see those original statements and how they began to change.
The police were focusing on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell by the 3rd of July 2003!
In reality you have no idea what exactly Janine Jones original witness statement said in full
You are only aware of snippets of her statement which have been taken out of context
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The police were focusing on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell by the 3rd of July 2003!
In reality you have no idea what exactly Janine Jones original witness statement said in full
You are only aware of snippets of her statement which have been taken out of context
It is interesting that while you constantly ask to have Luke’s initial statement made public we hear no such demand from you for the publication of the search party three’s initial, and subsequent statements. Odd that.
When the BBC, with all the the weight of their legal department behind them, accuses someone of changing a police statement then you can be pretty sure that they actually did it.
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https://www.private-eye.co.uk/in-the-back
ANY investigation into the justice system's handling of the case of Andrew Malkinson, who spent 17 years in jail for a rape he did not commit, should be extended to other troubling convictions.
Malkinson would have been freed years earlier, had the Criminal Cases Review Commission sent his case back to the appeal court after it emerged that in 2007 police and prosecutors knew another man's DNA was on the victim's clothing.
But as Eye readers know, his is not the only case where the underfunded and overwhelmed watchdog has refused to act – the most recent being that of Robin Garbutt, who was jailed in 2011 for killing his wife at their village post office (Eyes passim).
Midlothian muddle
In Scotland, meanwhile, the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) and its justice system are equally reluctant to right wrongs.
The case of Luke Mitchell, now 34, who has spent 20 years protesting his innocence, bears all the hallmarks of a grave miscarriage of justice. They were evident from the moment he was interviewed by police as a vulnerable 14-year-old without an adult present, suspected of killing his girlfriend, Jodi Jones, also 14.
Her mutilated body was found in woodland on the outskirts of Dalkeith in Midlothian. The pair had been due to meet, but Mitchell said Jodi had failed to turn up. The teenager and his dog later joined a search party after Jodi failed to return home, and it was his dog that found her.
That was enough for the police to be convinced he knew exactly where to look. Even though there was no forensic evidence to link Mitchell to the murder, the teenager with no police history had suddenly become a psychopathic killer.
He was convicted by a majority verdict in 2005, after his brother failed to corroborate his alibi that he was at home at the time, and on highly questionable identification evidence.
Manson myth
Newspapers carried lurid reports of detectives' belief he was inspired by Marilyn Manson and a painting by the goth singer depicting supposedly similar injuries to those inflicted on 1940s Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short in the so-called Black Dahlia murder.
That was nonsense, says one of his legal team, Scott Forbes. The reality was that Mitchell was seen near his home about 50 minutes after Jodi was said to have been tied up, assaulted and killed.
As a 2021 Channel 5 documentary illustrated, that would make it all but impossible for him to have been the killer. He could not have returned home in broad daylight, unseen and covered in blood, and disposed of all incriminating evidence.
Dishing the dirt
Two former detectives, who spent a year re-investigating the crime, said that when examined that night he had unwashed hair and mud under his fingernails, which proved he had not showered. Crucially, they identified other "stronger suspects", three of whom were at or near the scene at the time. But they were never treated as such by the police.
After the documentary was screened, Forbes applied for access to exhibits and material gathered in the case in order to carry out new forensic tests, only to learn the police were in the process of destroying it. The destruction was halted by the Lord Advocate's office.
All that remains are 300 scrapings and swabs, including ten taken from Jodi's body containing semen deposits, which incredibly were never tested for DNA at the time.
Wanton destruction
"Over 3,000 items were destroyed," Forbes told the Eye. "You must ask, what did the police so suddenly want to hide? I have no doubt Luke is innocent – failed by the police, a hostile press and a poor defence at the time." Mitchell's hopes of freedom now rest on securing and testing the swab samples. As Andrew Malkinson's case so graphically illustrated, that should be ordered immediately by the SCCRC.
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https://www.private-eye.co.uk/in-the-back
That was nonsense, says one of his legal team, Scott Forbes. The reality was that Mitchell was seen near his home about 50 minutes after Jodi was said to have been tied up, assaulted and killed. (Could have been done in half the time)
As a 2021 Channel 5 documentary illustrated, that would make it all but impossible for him to have been the killer. He could not have returned home in broad daylight, unseen and covered in blood, and disposed of all incriminating evidence. (Was never established there was extensive blood spatter - sensationalist nonsense)
Two former detectives, who spent a year re-investigating the crime, (Say no more)
Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that nonsense? Forbes, Channel 5 plus Jack & Victor. If that is LM's best hope he has no chance.
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Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that nonsense? Forbes, Channel 5 plus Jack & Victor. If that is LM's best hope he has no chance.
You miss the point. Private Eye is a highly respected and widely read publication. With a miscarriage of justice raising awareness is half the battle and while Forbes may not be everyone’s cup of tea he’s certainly getting the word out there.
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You miss the point. Private Eye is a highly respected and widely read publication. With a miscarriage of justice raising awareness is half the battle and while Forbes may not be everyone’s cup of tea he’s certainly getting the word out there.
What word is he getting out there? Nothing, because no qualified lawyer will touch it because it's not true. From the above article: have you considered why would LM wait at the end of his street, 200m away, for Jodi who had already walked 15 mins to meet him? It's obvious why he needed to be seen there but why not just stay at home or meet her halfway, not 99% of the way in his favour. Obvious I suppose even to the most cold hearted observer.
And Forbes book that was 'fact checked' by SL contains contrasting 'facts' to hers.
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What word is he getting out there? Nothing, because no qualified lawyer will touch it because it's not true. From the above article: have you considered why would LM wait at the end of his street, 200m away, for Jodi who had already walked 15 mins to meet him? It's obvious why he needed to be seen there but why not just stay at home or meet her halfway, not 99% of the way in his favour. Obvious I suppose even to the most cold hearted observer.
And Forbes book that was 'fact checked' by SL contains contrasting 'facts' to hers.
Yet you told me yourself that Luke has a lawyer and I would assume that he’s qualified.
Why did Luke wait at the end of his street? A more pertinent question would be why did he allegedly stand, nonchalantly at the gate to be seen by Walsh and Fleming? With all the traffic driving by he must have known that he’d be seen so why not run straight into the wooded area almost directly opposite RDP entrance? Why walk the extra distance, with all the danger that entailed, to simply stand at a gate in full view of everyone passing?
Further once he knew he’d been seen at the gate why not just admit that he’d been there? He had been waiting for Jodi after all and as Jodi was known to be coming down RDP there would have been nothing sinister in him standing there. At first Fleming described the youth she saw as wearing a hip length, shiny green jacket…incidentally just like the one Luke was ACTUALLY wearing so why not just admit that it was him?
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That there were samples remaining in the archive is a fortunate thing, but from what I can gather, one should not count on the continued existence of this archive. If the sampled in the archive had been discarded, then the police's destruction of what was in their hands would have utterly prevented this particular miscarriage from being undone.
What exactly are you claiming the police allegedly “destroyed”?
Edward Henry stated at around 35:19 here https://youtu.be/0lCRwDv8scs?si=hpSMys-Ew_IjZzOJ
“Could I ask the court to turn to the appellants skeleton argument please, which is core bundle tab 9 and this was an attempt by us to, as it were, demonstrate to the court pictorially and diagrammatically how compelling the tests were because the CCRC in testing the complainants vest top found the approximate location of the dna of Mr B, erm and it’s in this area, and I place my hand as your lordships can see, just above my left breast erm, so the vest top or the camisole lay on top of the bra and the bra is depicted at paragraph 8 over the page at 186, and there is a positive match, scientific analysis billion times more likely to be Mr B than anyone else as part of that sample, scientific match on that……………. “
There are several seconds of audio missing between Edward Henry’s above and below statements
“….commonly found in saliva, which lies directly above the bra and the reason why the bra is stained in blood is because her attacker virtually severed the nipple of her left breast. No teeth marks were found but presumably biting through clothing, practically severing the nipple of her left breast and as we state at paragraph 9, the images help to illustrate why the jury would have been entitled to conclude that Mr B deposited his dna on the area of potential saliva staining on the upper left front area of the complainants vest top while biting and nearly severing her left nipple and then I, I do not need to go further than that”
Edward Henry then stated at 38:04;
“But then to address paragraph 10. And this is important my lords, paragraph 10 addresses the most recent reports of Miss Cherry the forensic scientist erm who erm was working in conjunction with another expert eh performing eh the forensic testing of those samples which had been preserved in the forensic archive, those samples which may as this court will eh determine eh quash Mr Malkinsons conviction and fortuitously those samples that were preserved over long years because most regrettably the vest top, the bra and other clothing, including the complainants knickers, were destroyed by the greater Manchester police at one time when there was a section 17 order in place eh but that is a different matter
Without the camisole/vest top it was all guess work as to where exactly the small cut out piece of material had been removed from the camisole/vest top
The public (which includes you) has been provided with zero evidence of what this “preserved” piece of material looked like or where exactly from the camisole/vest top it was cut from
According to Edward Henry’s description during the appeal hearing this piece of material/sample would have also surely been blood stained - IF it had ever been located “directly” above the severed bleeding nipple area.
How would any forensic examiner be able to visually detect saliva if the material were visually bloodied?
Edward Henry then stated at around 39:17;
“Paragraph 10. Dna which could have originated from Mr B has been detected in other areas which can be reasonably be deemed crime specific, these include in the nail clippings scrapings from the left hand, which the complainant said she had used to cause a deep scratch to her attackers face
Why was there no mention of violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s neck?
Edward Henry went on to state;
“Then various references are given in the appeal bundle and also in the supplementary bundles of exhibits, which is marked by an asterisk before the eh the tab. An area of potential saliva staining on the left breast area of the complainants fleece jacket, fabric pieces from an area of potential saliva staining on the left cup of the complaints bra, a neck swab, the complainant was strangled by her attacker and her neck also displayed what could have been a suction mark, the inner aspects, and this is as a result of the respondents erm considered and conscientious further enquires, the inner aspects of the main body of the speculum used to facilitate the taking of internal vaginal swabs from the complainant, erm because obviously she bore marks of injury consistent with being vaginally raped and also taken from the complaints right arm an area which she sustained puncture marks injuries
It is right to say my lords, eh and we note this, that while these results have less statistical significance, the presence of dna in multiple, argueably crime specific locations from which Mr B cannot be excluded as a contributor is information which considered with the reliable attribution, and I say that as an understatement, of Mr B as the source of the dna on the complainants vest top, supports the proposition that it was Mr B not the appellant who was the complainants attacker eh and in fact Miss Cherry in her final report which the court is invited to receive, erm states that the dna findings are within her range of expectations if Mr B had been in contact eh with the complainant at sometime and that if he had had some sexual activity erm eh with her
She was an undoubted victim in this case
I’m sorry I have been referring to her as the complainant
I’ve been corrected…”
If you are aware of some of the history of this case you will know that there were and still are “weak DNA” profiles that “fitted” with Andrew Malkinson’s dna
Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson & How 10 Members Of The Jury Appear To Have Concluded His VICTIM Was “Mistaken” About Neck & Face Scratch (Part 40)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/26/violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-how-10-members-of-the-jury-appear-to-have-concluded-his-victim-was-mistaken-about-neck-face/
The entire appeal and public relations spin campaign is a scam and it goes to show how corrupt and incompetent the crown prosecution service who were involved with this case are.
It also demonstrates how people like Alex Chalk and Victoria Prentis are not fit for the purpose of the roles they currently hold within government!
The July 2023 appeal hearing and the subsequent judgement are almost as bad as they were in cases like embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra, who, along with her husband Davinder, were quite clearly on the rob at their West Byfleet post office!
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Another thing that got him convicted was his picture in the paper in mid-August.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell were courting the media
Grace McLean from the daily mail interviewed killer Luke Mitchell a few days after either his 4th July 2003 police interview or his 14th August police interview
Grace McLean’s article referring to her meeting with killer Luke Mitchell and his mother has been reproduced here https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/
That photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing his replacement parka jacket was orchestrated in an attempt to dupe potential witnesses
Intimate Partner Femicide TIMELINE: Innocence Fraud Killer Luke Mitchell & Scammer Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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A great deal of new information is available from studies of wrongful convictions in general, or from a study of the Malkinson case as a recent example. According to some reports there are items in this case that could be subjected to DNA profiling, and the Malkinson case is a reminder of how probative such testing can potentially be.
If you had studied violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s case you would know that there remains to be dna profiles that still fit with Malkinson’s profile
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11976.msg707103#msg707103
If the dna profiling in Malkinson’s case were probative, it’s not, but if it were Mr B would have been arrested and charged
The fact that he hasn’t is another massive red flag
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Yet you told me yourself that Luke has a lawyer and I would assume that he’s qualified.
Why did Luke wait at the end of his street?
Yes, as I mentioned before, he has a criminal defence lawyer dealing with run of the mill legal matters like all criminals have. His lawyer is not raising awareness or getting the word out regards a miscarriage of justice otherwise we would know about it. The rest of your comments are questions to questions.
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Why did Luke wait at the end of his street? A more pertinent question would be why did he allegedly stand, nonchalantly at the gate to be seen by Walsh and Fleming? With all the traffic driving by he must have known that he’d be seen so why not run straight into the wooded area almost directly opposite RDP entrance? Why walk the extra distance, with all the danger that entailed, to simply stand at a gate in full view of everyone passing?
Further once he knew he’d been seen at the gate why not just admit that he’d been there? He had been waiting for Jodi after all and as Jodi was known to be coming down RDP there would have been nothing sinister in him standing there. At first Fleming described the youth she saw as wearing a hip length, shiny green jacket…incidentally just like the one Luke was ACTUALLY wearing so why not just admit that it was him?
You're really all over the place here, fl. He was at that gate because he'd just walked down from the woodland strip where he'd just murdered his girlfriend. The gate is directly across the road from where he would have emerged from, from the woodland strip, after he'd murdered Jodi (another coincidence? I think not!). Walking straight down that woodland strip offered him the perfect cover as it was off the beaten track.The field to his right was far too exposed, as well as being occupied by JOHF & GD on a faulty moped at the time, and the field/RDP west to his left was far too exposed (cars driving up & down Newbattle Rd & walkers on RDP might have seen him). He had no chioce other than to get away from the locus, and he knew he was likely seen by motorists on EH Rd (AB saw him, as we know) and knew that he likely had some incriminating DNA on him (ie, some blood traces from Jodi on his person, likely on that long green parka). The woodlands behind that gate also gave him cover, as well as small streams to wash up at and, more crucially, a shortcut to his house (where someone was definitely in between 1745 and 1800, either his mother or brother, or both). Funny that he wasn't seen for 20 mins after the RW & LF sighting at 1742-1745, eh? On a busy rural main road (NB Abbey Rd) that would have been busy with traffic (yes traffic, not pedestrians)? And yes, it could be construed odd that no one reported seeng him going to and from his house berween 1745 - 1800, but, we have to remember it was dinner time and most folk are preoccupied at this time of the day, preparing, eating and clearing up dinner and all of that. The' 'LM would have been covered in blood' stuff is total myth; he incapacitated that girl initially with a huge branch, then choked her to death (cyclist LK heard this part, imo), then used the knife to inflict all those horrific wounds, cutting and slashing that poor girl's throat carefully from behind whilst wearing that long parka that likely took the bulk of any traces of incriminating dna (blood mostly) from Jodi. Any traces would have been concealed well in that olive green camouflage parka, and would certainly not have been seen from a passing car (RW & LF never mentioned blood). LM knew he had been seen in this parka and knew there was a possiblity that there was incriminating DNA on it (ie, Jodi's blood) and that's why it disappeared and a new one purchased from Flip in Edinburgh on 08.07.03 (and no doubt he got rid of his other clothing -- black boots, black jeans and t-shirt -- between 1830 - 1930 when he disappeared from NB rd for a second time that evening, and never seen again for a full hour). 6 separate eye witnesses saw him on the Newbattle Rd between 1805 and 1825 (3 of whom said he was acting suspiciously, like RW & LF did some 20/25 mins earlier further down that same road). I'm aware the couple MO & DH said in court it wasn't him, but picked his clothing out. Let's be logical here and use Occam's razor -- it was LM they saw. He'd changed significantly between their sighting and their court appearance, due to puberty and the fact he was still physically developing. Tellingly, the 3 pushbike boys positively identified him in court just a few yards up from where MO & DH saw him (2 of the 3 boys knew him personally as they'd cycled with him to school in the past, and they, just like MO & DH, said he was wearing the shiny green bomber jacket and black baggy jeans). Of course it was LM they all saw! CH saw him as well, at around the same point as MO & DH did, and said in court that the youth she saw at the driveway on NB rd & the youth she saw on a tv interview with his mother was 'very, very similar' to LM. She also noted the 'grunge' style clothing he was wearing that day on the NB rd. Of course it was LM they all saw. Logic tells you this. No other person similar looking to LM ever came forward to rule themselves out of that 17-month long murder enquiry between June '03 and November '04 -- for no one who looked similar to LM was ever at those places. It was LM himself. Guilty as hell, imo.
As regards why he wasn't running over the road, trying to get over that gate and into the woods . . . why on earth would he? That would surely incriminate him further? He had no choice other than to try and look calm, cool & nonchalant. But he failed, to an extent. Acting nonchalantly was a mere ruse employed by him, but he didn't look totally nonchalant as LF noted how suspicious looking he was; looking up to no good & cheesed off, straing at the ground, as she said in court. CH, too, noted how suspicious looking he was. She even slowed down to look at what he was doing, and when she did slow down, he retreated back into the path at the house (Barondale Cottages??) and tilted his head down to the side so as to avoid eye contact with her (the same avoiding eye contact that RW & LF mentioned). So, whoever it was that RW, LF & CH saw, they were clearly on edge and wary. Very telling. And, crucially, they all identified LM in court, along with the 3 pushbike boys; the other 3 eyewitnesses (AB, MO & DH weren't sure if it was LM as he'd changed so much due to puberty, with MO & DH even saying it wasn't the same person).
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Yes, as I mentioned before, he has a criminal defence lawyer dealing with run of the mill legal matters like all criminals have. His lawyer is not raising awareness or getting the word out regards a miscarriage of justice otherwise we would know about it. The rest of your comments are questions to questions.
So he has a lawyer. Glad we sorted that out.
As to raising awareness, that’s not his solicitor’s job.
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You're really all over the place here, fl. He was at that gate because he'd just walked down from the woodland strip where he'd just murdered his girlfriend. The gate is directly across the road from where he would have emerged from, from the woodland strip, after he'd murdered Jodi (another coincidence? I think not!). Walking straight down that woodland strip offered him the perfect cover as it was off the beaten track.The field to his right was far too exposed, as well as being occupied by JOHF & GD on a faulty moped at the time, and the field/RDP west to his left was far too exposed (cars driving up & down Newbattle Rd & walkers on RDP might have seen him). He had no chioce other than to get away from the locus, and he knew he was likely seen by motorists on EH Rd (AB saw him, as we know) and knew that he likely had some incriminating DNA on him (ie, some blood traces from Jodi on his person, likely on that long green parka). The woodlands behind that gate also gave him cover, as well as small streams to wash up at and, more crucially, a shortcut to his house (where someone was definitely in between 1745 and 1800, either his mother or brother, or both). Funny that he wasn't seen for 20 mins after the RW & LF sighting at 1742-1745, eh? On a busy rural main road (NB Abbey Rd) that would have been busy with traffic (yes traffic, not pedestrians)? And yes, it could be construed odd that no one reported seeng him going to and from his house berween 1745 - 1800, but, we have to remember it was dinner time and most folk are preoccupied at this time of the day, preparing, eating and clearing up dinner and all of that. The' 'LM would have been covered in blood' stuff is total myth; he incapacitated that girl initially with a huge branch, then choked her to death (cyclist LK heard this part, imo), then used the knife to inflict all those horrific wounds, cutting and slashing that poor girl's throat carefully from behind whilst wearing that long parka that likely took the bulk of any traces of incriminating dna (blood mostly) from Jodi. Any traces would have been concealed well in that olive green camouflage parka, and would certainly not have been seen from a passing car (RW & LF never mentioned blood). LM knew he had been seen in this parka and knew there was a possiblity that there was incriminating DNA on it (ie, Jodi's blood) and that's why it disappeared and a new one purchased from Flip in Edinburgh on 08.07.03 (and no doubt he got rid of his other clothing -- black boots, black jeans and t-shirt -- between 1830 - 1930 when he disappeared from NB rd for a second time that evening, and never seen again for a full hour). 6 separate eye witnesses saw him on the Newbattle Rd between 1805 and 1825 (3 of whom said he was acting suspiciously, like RW & LF did some 20/25 mins earlier further down that same road). I'm aware the couple MO & DH said in court it wasn't him, but picked his clothing out. Let's be logical here and use Occam's razor -- it was LM they saw. He'd changed significantly between their sighting and their court appearance, due to puberty and the fact he was still physically developing. Tellingly, the 3 pushbike boys positively identified him in court just a few yards up from where MO & DH saw him (2 of the 3 boys knew him personally as they'd cycled with him to school in the past, and they, just like MO & DH, said he was wearing the shiny green bomber jacket and black baggy jeans). Of course it was LM they all saw! CH saw him as well, at around the same point as MO & DH did, and said in court that the youth she saw at the driveway on NB rd & the youth she saw on a tv interview with his mother was 'very, very similar' to LM. She also noted the 'grunge' style clothing he was wearing that day on the NB rd. Of course it was LM they all saw. Logic tells you this. No other person similar looking to LM ever came forward to rule themselves out of that 17-month long murder enquiry between June '03 and November '04 -- for no one who looked similar to LM was ever at those places. It was LM himself. Guilty as hell, imo.
As regards why he wasn't running over the road, trying to get over that gate and into the woods . . . why on earth would he? That would surely incriminate him further? He had no choice other than to try and look calm, cool & nonchalant. But he failed, to an extent. Acting nonchalantly was a mere ruse employed by him, but he didn't look totally nonchalant as LF noted how suspicious looking he was; looking up to no good & cheesed off, straing at the ground, as she said in court. CH, too, noted how suspicious looking he was. She even slowed down to look at what he was doing, and when she did slow down, he retreated back into the path at the house (Barondale Cottages??) and tilted his head down to the side so as to avoid eye contact with her (the same avoiding eye contact that RW & LF mentioned). So, whoever it was that RW, LF & CH saw, they were clearly on edge and wary. Very telling. And, crucially, they all identified LM in court, along with the 3 pushbike boys; the other 3 eyewitnesses (AB, MO & DH weren't sure if it was LM as he'd changed so much due to puberty, with MO & DH even saying it wasn't the same person).
I think LM went home and changed his clothes between 1742-1800 (his jacket and footwear, at least). Then, between 1830 and 1930, went back home to give his mother the lowdown on what happened to Jodi (if he didn't confess to her about the murder, he told her something else that something bad had happened to Jodi and that he needed help to get out of a bad situation). In his house, I think he, if he didn't already between 1742-1800, changed into a fresh pair of black, baggy jeans and t-shirt, whist obviously keeping the bomber and white boots on that he'd changed into between 1742-1800. Between 1830-1930, I think he definitely cleaned up somewhere (even the boys he met up with in the abbey at 1930 testified in court just how much cleaner he was that night). And during these two windows of time, I think he set about destroying all the clothes he had on between 1640-1740 (the parka obviously being the main piece of clothing he had to get rid of quickly). Isn't it strange that LM wasn't seen on a busy rural main road, not once, between 1742-1800 and 1830-1930?
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You're really all over the place here, fl. He was at that gate because he'd just walked down from the woodland strip where he'd just murdered his girlfriend. The gate is directly across the road from where he would have emerged from, from the woodland strip, after he'd murdered Jodi (another coincidence? I think not!). Walking straight down that woodland strip offered him the perfect cover as it was off the beaten track.The field to his right was far too exposed, as well as being occupied by JOHF & GD on a faulty moped at the time, and the field/RDP west to his left was far too exposed (cars driving up & down Newbattle Rd & walkers on RDP might have seen him). He had no chioce other than to get away from the locus, and he knew he was likely seen by motorists on EH Rd (AB saw him, as we know) and knew that he likely had some incriminating DNA on him (ie, some blood traces from Jodi on his person, likely on that long green parka). The woodlands behind that gate also gave him cover, as well as small streams to wash up at and, more crucially, a shortcut to his house (where someone was definitely in between 1745 and 1800, either his mother or brother, or both). Funny that he wasn't seen for 20 mins after the RW & LF sighting at 1742-1745, eh? On a busy rural main road (NB Abbey Rd) that would have been busy with traffic (yes traffic, not pedestrians)? And yes, it could be construed odd that no one reported seeng him going to and from his house berween 1745 - 1800, but, we have to remember it was dinner time and most folk are preoccupied at this time of the day, preparing, eating and clearing up dinner and all of that. The' 'LM would have been covered in blood' stuff is total myth; he incapacitated that girl initially with a huge branch, then choked her to death (cyclist LK heard this part, imo), then used the knife to inflict all those horrific wounds, cutting and slashing that poor girl's throat carefully from behind whilst wearing that long parka that likely took the bulk of any traces of incriminating dna (blood mostly) from Jodi. Any traces would have been concealed well in that olive green camouflage parka, and would certainly not have been seen from a passing car (RW & LF never mentioned blood). LM knew he had been seen in this parka and knew there was a possiblity that there was incriminating DNA on it (ie, Jodi's blood) and that's why it disappeared and a new one purchased from Flip in Edinburgh on 08.07.03 (and no doubt he got rid of his other clothing -- black boots, black jeans and t-shirt -- between 1830 - 1930 when he disappeared from NB rd for a second time that evening, and never seen again for a full hour). 6 separate eye witnesses saw him on the Newbattle Rd between 1805 and 1825 (3 of whom said he was acting suspiciously, like RW & LF did some 20/25 mins earlier further down that same road). I'm aware the couple MO & DH said in court it wasn't him, but picked his clothing out. Let's be logical here and use Occam's razor -- it was LM they saw. He'd changed significantly between their sighting and their court appearance, due to puberty and the fact he was still physically developing. Tellingly, the 3 pushbike boys positively identified him in court just a few yards up from where MO & DH saw him (2 of the 3 boys knew him personally as they'd cycled with him to school in the past, and they, just like MO & DH, said he was wearing the shiny green bomber jacket and black baggy jeans). Of course it was LM they all saw! CH saw him as well, at around the same point as MO & DH did, and said in court that the youth she saw at the driveway on NB rd & the youth she saw on a tv interview with his mother was 'very, very similar' to LM. She also noted the 'grunge' style clothing he was wearing that day on the NB rd. Of course it was LM they all saw. Logic tells you this. No other person similar looking to LM ever came forward to rule themselves out of that 17-month long murder enquiry between June '03 and November '04 -- for no one who looked similar to LM was ever at those places. It was LM himself. Guilty as hell, imo.
As regards why he wasn't running over the road, trying to get over that gate and into the woods . . . why on earth would he? That would surely incriminate him further? He had no choice other than to try and look calm, cool & nonchalant. But he failed, to an extent. Acting nonchalantly was a mere ruse employed by him, but he didn't look totally nonchalant as LF noted how suspicious looking he was; looking up to no good & cheesed off, straing at the ground, as she said in court. CH, too, noted how suspicious looking he was. She even slowed down to look at what he was doing, and when she did slow down, he retreated back into the path at the house (Barondale Cottages??) and tilted his head down to the side so as to avoid eye contact with her (the same avoiding eye contact that RW & LF mentioned). So, whoever it was that RW, LF & CH saw, they were clearly on edge and wary. Very telling. And, crucially, they all identified LM in court, along with the 3 pushbike boys; the other 3 eyewitnesses (AB, MO & DH weren't sure if it was LM as he'd changed so much due to puberty, with MO & DH even saying it wasn't the same person).
Can I suggest that you look at some photographs of the locus of Fleming/Walsh’s alleged sighting. It is some distance from where Luke would have come out at the Newbattle end of RDP. I did post some photos illustrating this some time back if you are willing to trawl through my posts. There is an opening almost directly across from the RDP opening that would have taken Luke out of sight of the road and into the safety of heavy foliage. You would have thought the perfect route for someone who had just committed a murder and wanted to keep out of view. Yet that’s not what he did, if you believe Fleming/Walsh. Does that make sense to you?
If Luke had washed in a stream why was nothing from that stream found on his person when he was forensically tested? Small tributaries like the one you are suggesting are always alive with thousands of microorganisms. These would have shown up on his hair and skin if he had indeed washed himself in a stream. Why didn’t they?
As to the 20 minute timeline, which you yourself in the same sentence truncated it to 15, three cyclists, two of who attend school with Luke, describe seeing Luke ‘ standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent,’ ( Barondale Cottages has just such a driveway) on their way to the Jewel and Esk college at 5.55pm. They also describe him as wearing a bomber jacket. That leaves him barely ten minutes from the alleged Walsh/Fleming sighting to get home, tell his mum that he’s murdered his girlfriend, get changed and be back on Newbattle Road for Holborn et al to see him, unflustered, at 5.55pm. Do you really think that this is feasible?
If Luke had incapacitated Jodi initially where did she get such lethal defensive wounds? The pathologist testified that she fought for her life. How could she have done that if she was incapacitated? Further if she was incapacitated how could she have made a ‘strangling sound’ while being throttled? Do unconscious people make sounds? If Jodi had fought for her life as the pathologist suggested she’d be screaming her head off while fighting off her attacker. It’s astonishing that no one, not even Kelly, heard those screams.
I agree, it was Luke that the witnesses saw on the Newbattle Road, even Walsh/Fleming, although further towards the Abbey than they testified in court to. As to not being seen for an hour, that timeline doesn’t stack up either. The cyclists saw Luke at 6.25 to 6.30. David High received a call from him at 6.30 to invite him to his house. A few minutes later he called High back and told him to meet him at the Abbey. By 7pm David Tulloch testified to Luke being at the Abbey. So why do you think that Luke went missing for an hour?
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So he has a lawyer. Glad we sorted that out.
As to raising awareness, that’s not his solicitor’s job.
So you believe what I say about his lawyer but not about what his brother says.
How do you know he has a lawyer?
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So you believe what I say about his lawyer but not about what his brother says.
How do you know he has a lawyer?
His lawyer is common knowledge as was the postcode you posted last week, I believe, relating to Shane and his place of work.
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His lawyer is common knowledge as was the postcode you posted last week, I believe, relating to Shane and his place of work.
You didn't know who his lawyer was last month so how is it now common knowledge?
The partial postcode wasn't SM's home or place of work so not common knowledge.
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Can I suggest that you look at some photographs of the locus of Fleming/Walsh’s alleged sighting. It is some distance from where Luke would have come out at the Newbattle end of RDP. I did post some photos illustrating this some time back if you are willing to trawl through my posts. There is an opening almost directly across from the RDP opening that would have taken Luke out of sight of the road and into the safety of heavy foliage. You would have thought the perfect route for someone who had just committed a murder and wanted to keep out of view. Yet that’s not what he did, if you believe Fleming/Walsh. Does that make sense to you?
If Luke had washed in a stream why was nothing from that stream found on his person when he was forensically tested? Small tributaries like the one you are suggesting are always alive with thousands of microorganisms. These would have shown up on his hair and skin if he had indeed washed himself in a stream. Why didn’t they?
As to the 20 minute timeline, which you yourself in the same sentence truncated it to 15, three cyclists, two of who attend school with Luke, describe seeing Luke ‘ standing at an entrance to a driveway before Newbattle Abbey Crescent,’ ( Barondale Cottages has just such a driveway) on their way to the Jewel and Esk college at 5.55pm. They also describe him as wearing a bomber jacket. That leaves him barely ten minutes from the alleged Walsh/Fleming sighting to get home, tell his mum that he’s murdered his girlfriend, get changed and be back on Newbattle Road for Holborn et al to see him, unflustered, at 5.55pm. Do you really think that this is feasible?
If Luke had incapacitated Jodi initially where did she get such lethal defensive wounds? The pathologist testified that she fought for her life. How could she have done that if she was incapacitated? Further if she was incapacitated how could she have made a ‘strangling sound’ while being throttled? Do unconscious people make sounds? If Jodi had fought for her life as the pathologist suggested she’d be screaming her head off while fighting off her attacker. It’s astonishing that no one, not even Kelly, heard those screams.
I agree, it was Luke that the witnesses saw on the Newbattle Road, even Walsh/Fleming, although further towards the Abbey than they testified in court to. As to not being seen for an hour, that timeline doesn’t stack up either. The cyclists saw Luke at 6.25 to 6.30. David High received a call from him at 6.30 to invite him to his house. A few minutes later he called High back and told him to meet him at the Abbey. By 7pm David Tulloch testified to Luke being at the Abbey. So why do you think that Luke went missing for an hour?
I looked at the gate previously on google earth and, from memory, it is just a few yards up a bit and across the road from where he would have emerged if he continued walking west down that woodland strip. I don't think he walked down the RDP west (to his left) after he murdered her and nor do I think he went on to that field north (to his right). Am I correct in thinking that if he did continue west down the woodland strip, he would've emerged where I said he would've emerged? I'm not familiar with the area and haven't visited the locus, and Google Earth doesn't show detailed pics of the locus and the rest of the woodland strip.
I don't know about that area where you suggest he could've hidden. Wouldn't he have had to cross the road to get to it? He had to cross that road and had no choice as he needed cover and out of those clothes that no doubt had some traces of incriminating dna on them. It would have been impossible for him to cross that road at that time of day without being noticed, and it proved to be a big part of his undoing.
I don't think any of those 'organisms' would've shown up. It was ,and still is, fresh water.
You are being unfair with your timings -- using the shortest possible timings. Nobody on the planet knows what the exact, precise times were. I'm of the view that LM did what he did and that he times fit nicely.
The defensive wounds could've still happened. Maybe Jodi, while inapacitated, still managed to mover her arms.
RW & LF never saw him nearer the abbey. That is a very probably a misrepresentation that is in the defence papers. Once everything was looked at more carefully and fine-tuned, it was established that it was the gate further down the NB rd, on the left whilst driving north, and not the gate at the abbey some 200 yards further up, on the right hand side of Walsh & Fleming .
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You didn't know who his lawyer was last month so how is it now common knowledge?
The partial postcode wasn't SM's home or place of work so not common knowledge.
If you know it’s common knowledge.
I’ll have to take your word for that.
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I looked at the gate previously on google earth and, from memory, it is just a few yards up a bit and across the road from where he would have emerged if he continued walking west down that woodland strip. I don't think he walked down the RDP west (to his left) after he murdered her and nor do I think he went on to that field north (to his right). Am I correct in thinking that if he did continue west down the woodland strip, he would've emerged where I said he would've emerged? I'm not familiar with the area and haven't visited the locus, and Google Earth doesn't show detailed pics of the locus and the rest of the woodland strip.
I don't know about that area where you suggest he could've hidden. Wouldn't he have had to cross the road to get to it? He had to cross that road and had no choice as he needed cover and out of those clothes that no doubt had some traces of incriminating dna on them. It would have been impossible for him to cross that road at that time of day without being noticed, and it proved to be a big part of his undoing.
I don't think any of those 'organisms' would've shown up. It was ,and still is, fresh water.
You are being unfair with your timings -- using the shortest possible timings. Nobody on the planet knows what the exact, precise times were. I'm of the view that LM did what he did and that he times fit nicely.
The defensive wounds could've still happened. Maybe Jodi, while inapacitated, still managed to mover her arms.
RW & LF never saw him nearer the abbey. That is a very probably a misrepresentation that is in the defence papers. Once everything was looked at more carefully and fine-tuned, it was established that it was the gate further down the NB rd, on the left whilst driving north, and not the gate at the abbey some 200 yards further up, on the right hand side of Walsh & Fleming .
I think you may have to look at the gate again. That being said why would Luke take the risk of walking to it, in full view of the passing traffic and standing at it long enough for someone to be able to describe him when there was a gap in the fence almost directly across from the entrance to RDP?
He would have had to cross the road at some point and of course that carried a risk of him being seen but the risk was greatly increased by walking to the gate and going into the woodland from there rather than the gap between the fencing and the wall almost opposite RDP. As no one seems to have seen the youth crossing the road if he had slipped into the gap already mentioned there would have been no sighting at all.
Freshwater ecosystems contain a great diversity of microbes, including bacteria, archaea, fungi and protists. There would certainly been some of these microorganisms on Luke’s hair and skin if he had washed in a stream.
I think that’s called confirmation bias. It’s true though that we don’t know the exact times of any of the events surrounding Jodi’s murder. Walsh and Fleming’s timings could have been out by 10 minutes, the cyclists could have seen Luke 5 minutes earlier, the ‘strangling’ sound Kelly heard could have simply been what he first claimed it was, the movement of trees and everything would have changed.
In what way do you think Jodi was incapacitated? Was she also gagged to stop her screaming?
The jogger is the key to where Walsh and Fleming’s sighting took place. The fact that in her first statement Fleming claimed that she left to go shopping around 6 also gives us reason to doubt her evidence in court.
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With the benefit of walking the route earlier this year, it would be unlikely LM exited at the RDP end, instead following the woodland strip down to just before the yellow gate but staying on the north side for about 50m following the wall until it stepped down to opposite the gate he was spotted at. Going directly across from RDP drops straight into a stream with a high drop and a very steep embankment on the other side so very highly unlikely someone would consider that route or exit RDP and walk down the pavement side.
I reckon he would have stayed hidden on the high bank on the woodland strip north side as the RDP was much too exposed and near the brow of the hill/road for oncoming motorists. Obviously that didn't quite work out.
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With the benefit of walking the route earlier this year, it would be unlikely LM exited at the RDP end, instead following the woodland strip down to just before the yellow gate but staying on the north side for about 50m following the wall until it stepped down to opposite the gate he was spotted at. Going directly across from RDP drops straight into a stream with a high drop and a very steep embankment on the other side so very highly unlikely someone would consider that route or exit RDP and walk down the pavement side.
I reckon he would have stayed hidden on the high bank on the woodland strip north side as the RDP was much too exposed and near the brow of the hill/road for oncoming motorists. Obviously that didn't quite work out.
They really do try paint that stupid image, but then according to the narrative, the killer/ accomplices were running up the middle of the road wielding the murder weapon. But heaven above someone of LM's intellect would dare try to cross that road when he thought clear.
He had little choices, he needed over that road, out of that clothing and seen to be waiting. This is reality. Only he knows the exact spot he chose, certainly not the path entrance, not over that V, zero forensic evidence. Only W and NW, then to combat the forensic evidence they invent the bleach and magic potions story. We know that LM was first upon the path, over that wall and he picked zero up upon the soles of his boots.
I believe he chose to cross and was caught because of that car coming over the brow of the hill. He wasn't just relaxing and having a nice time at the gate. Caught and stopping with his head down, trying not to be recognized, looking up as the car went past - Face seen. Again that is the reality, not diving to get out of sight, unable to keep head down, drawing more attention to himself.
LM was not forensically examined all over, another myth. Hair sample taken, finger nails and appearance noted. Gordo tried the nonsense with all sorts showing up from river water. And even IF, and that is a mighty IF, anything had been picked up, he was out and about in the woods, river with the boys for over an hour - Empty nonsense yet again.
Got to love the jogger/s nonsense - Passing LM standing at the wooden gate, rear view mirror and face clocked, then in front, in split seconds a jogger. Not according to the enablers. Swap wooden gate and standing from sitting on a stone wall, under shade to out in the open, and again they forget that book of clothing shown to witnesses, the nonsense that it could have been his bomber! But then see the jogger down from the entrance of the estate, no bridge - It really does beggar belief!
But they say he had walked up a little, not home, supposed to be at the entrance of the estate at both 5:32pm and 5:38pm. But still no bridge, no possibility with that sequence. Just making up the whole thing, fantasy and fallacy.
And as Mr Apples says, the further nonsense around the victim, almost instantly silenced, that was the evidence led, clear forensic evidence. Probably why they were rapidly silenced by the fiend, to stop anyone from hearing - Again trying to apply stupid at all times to the killer!
But fantasy and fallacy, the off the wall scenarios is what are abided by, rather than sense and reality.
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With the benefit of walking the route earlier this year, it would be unlikely LM exited at the RDP end, instead following the woodland strip down to just before the yellow gate but staying on the north side for about 50m following the wall until it stepped down to opposite the gate he was spotted at. Going directly across from RDP drops straight into a stream with a high drop and a very steep embankment on the other side so very highly unlikely someone would consider that route or exit RDP and walk down the pavement side.
I reckon he would have stayed hidden on the high bank on the woodland strip north side as the RDP was much too exposed and near the brow of the hill/road for oncoming motorists. Obviously that didn't quite work out.
All that planning to just stand nonchalantly at a gate as if he didn’t have a care in the world. Instead of ducking behind the gate and the cover he so craved, he stood long enough for someone to have a good luck at him. Odd that.
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They really do try paint that stupid image, but then according to the narrative, the killer/ accomplices were running up the middle of the road wielding the murder weapon. But heaven above someone of LM's intellect would dare try to cross that road when he thought clear.
He had little choices, he needed over that road, out of that clothing and seen to be waiting. This is reality. Only he knows the exact spot he chose, certainly not the path entrance, not over that V, zero forensic evidence. Only W and NW, then to combat the forensic evidence they invent the bleach and magic potions story. We know that LM was first upon the path, over that wall and he picked zero up upon the soles of his boots.
I believe he chose to cross and was caught because of that car coming over the brow of the hill. He wasn't just relaxing and having a nice time at the gate. Caught and stopping with his head down, trying not to be recognized, looking up as the car went past - Face seen. Again that is the reality, not diving to get out of sight, unable to keep head down, drawing more attention to himself.
LM was not forensically examined all over, another myth. Hair sample taken, finger nails and appearance noted. Gordo tried the nonsense with all sorts showing up from river water. And even IF, and that is a mighty IF, anything had been picked up, he was out and about in the woods, river with the boys for over an hour - Empty nonsense yet again.
Got to love the jogger/s nonsense - Passing LM standing at the wooden gate, rear view mirror and face clocked, then in front, in split seconds a jogger. Not according to the enablers. Swap wooden gate and standing from sitting on a stone wall, under shade to out in the open, and again they forget that book of clothing shown to witnesses, the nonsense that it could have been his bomber! But then see the jogger down from the entrance of the estate, no bridge - It really does beggar belief!
But they say he had walked up a little, not home, supposed to be at the entrance of the estate at both 5:32pm and 5:38pm. But still no bridge, no possibility with that sequence. Just making up the whole thing, fantasy and fallacy.
And as Mr Apples says, the further nonsense around the victim, almost instantly silenced, that was the evidence led, clear forensic evidence. Probably why they were rapidly silenced by the fiend, to stop anyone from hearing - Again trying to apply stupid at all times to the killer!
But fantasy and fallacy, the off the wall scenarios is what are abided by, rather than sense and reality.
The point is not that Luke could have given a credible excuse for microorganisms from fresh water being in his hair or on his skin but that there was no microorganisms on his hair or skin. Luke had not washed himself in any sort of stream that night as there is absolutely no evidence for it.
The jogger is problematic for you, isn’t she? By her own account, and she had reason to know exactly the time, she couldn’t have been where Fleming/Walsh said she was at the time they claimed and if they saw her mere seconds after seeing Luke then he couldn’t have been at the gate.
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LM was not forensically examined all over, another myth. Hair sample taken, finger nails and appearance noted.
There Were & Still Are DNA Profiles Which Link Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson To His Victim
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/27/there-were-still-are-dna-profiles-which-fit-violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinsons-dna-profile-part-41/
Similarly to how there were and still are dna profiles which link sadistic killer Luke Mitchell to his murder
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The point is not that Luke could have given a credible excuse for microorganisms from fresh water being in his hair
Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell wearing his balaclava?
Was it ever seized during police searches of his mother and father Corinne and Philip Mitchell’s houses?
He wore it in May when he attacked Kara Van Null with a knife at army cadets
The knife threat on Kara VN by LM was witnessed by other cadets
What happened to his balaclava?
Around the same time of his knife threat on Kara Van Null, sadistic killer Luke Mitchell told Michelle Tierney “…could just imagine himself going out and getting stoned and killing somebody and how funny it would be”
Intimate Partner Femicide TIMELINE: Innocence Fraud Killer Luke Mitchell & Scammer Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell wearing his balaclava?
Was it ever seized during police searches of his mother and father Corinne and Philip Mitchell’s houses?
He wore it in May/June (?) when he attacked Kara Van Null with a knife at army cadets
The knife threat on Kara VN by LM was witnessed by other cadets
Intimate Partner Femicide TIMELINE: Innocence Fraud Killer Luke Mitchell & Scammer Sandra Lean’s Psychological Manipulation - ‘Boiling You Like A Frog’ (Part 168)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
Is this the same Miss Null who, although able to allegedly provide first hand evidence of Luke threatening a female with a knife barely weeks before Jodi’s murder, was never called as a witness by the prosecution? That Miss Null?
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Is this the same Miss Null who, although able to allegedly provide first hand evidence of Luke threatening a female with a knife barely weeks before Jodi’s murder, was never called as a witness by the prosecution? That Miss Null?
Were any of Kara Van Null’s statements read out during the trial?
Or did any of the cadets who witnessed sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s attack on KVN give evidence during the trial and comment on his attack of her in the cadet hut?
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=506.msg14701#msg14701
Why didn’t Donald Findlay want Kara Van Null’s evidence about killer Luke Mitchell’s attack on Kara Van Null scrutinised during the trial?
Kara Van Null stated;
“We never met anywhere but cadets, so I only saw him on Monday and Wednesday nights - I suppose because he was going out with Jodi”
“Miss van Nuil, now 17, met Mitchell at the Army Cadet HQ in Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, when she joined his cadet unit in February, 2002.
They started dating a few weeks later, even though Mitchell was already going out with Jodi and seeing another girl, Kimberley Thomson, in Perthshire.
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Were any of Kara Van Null’s statements read out during the trial?
Or did any of the cadets who witnessed sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s attack on KVN give evidence during the trial and comment on his attack of her in the cadet hut?
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=506.msg14701#msg14701
From your own link.
“They came around and took hours of statements but I was never called to court”
Odd that she was never called to court. Her testimony would have been dynamite in Turnbull’s hands. Could it be that she came across as a less than credible witness?
And if Miss Null’s evidence was not heard in court why on earth do you think that the evidence of anyone who saw the alleged attack would be?
You really are a stranger to logical thinking, aren’t you?
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Kara Van Null stated;
“We never met anywhere but cadets, so I only saw him on Monday and Wednesday nights - I suppose because he was going out with Jodi”
“Miss van Nuil, now 17, met Mitchell at the Army Cadet HQ in Bonnyrigg, Midlothian, when she joined his cadet unit in February, 2002.
They started dating a few weeks later, even though Mitchell was already going out with Jodi and seeing another girl, Kimberley Thomson, in Perthshire.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell started dating Kara Van Null a few weeks after he started dating Jodi Jones
Jodi Jones only met with up with killer Luke Mitchell a couple of times a week when she first started dating him at/around the end of March 2003
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From your own link.
“They came around and took hours of statements but I was never called to court”
Neither was Laura Wightman
Where did the evidence of her having an “intimate” relationship with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell not long after he had committed his murder come from?
The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
This 👆🏽was Laura Wightman
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And if Miss Null’s evidence was not heard in court why on earth do you think that the evidence of anyone who saw the alleged attack would be?
‘During one army cadet exercise, acquaintances remember the youngster approaching a girl from behind in a balaclava, and warning “it would be so easy to kill you.”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401673.a-truly-evil-murder-you-will-rightly-be-regarded-as-wicked-lucy-bannerman-finds-how-a-teenage-love-of-music-and-rebellion-ended-with-a-walk-to-a-horrific-death/
What were the names of the witnesses who told the jury about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s balaclava?
“Another fling ended on a more threatening note, with another West Lothian girl Kimberly Tait, claiming Mitchell once pulled a knife on her after she refused to sleep with him. Mitchell claimed the knife incident was only a joke”
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Neither was Laura Wightman
Where did the evidence of her having an “intimate” relationship with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell not long after he had committed his murder come from?
This 👆🏽was Laura Wightman
The grubby mind of the journalist?
And some of his ‘fictional facts’.
“ He introduced her ( Jodi ) to cannabis” No he didn’t. Jodi was smoking cannabis before she met Luke.
“ Mitchell lived with his mother, Corinne, who split from his dad, Philip, a caravan salesman” No he wasn’t. He was an electrician.
And not one named contributor…a police source…one pal…a friend of Jodi’s.
Churnalism at its worst.
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‘During one army cadet exercise, acquaintances remember the youngster approaching a girl from behind in a balaclava, and warning “it would be so easy to kill you.”
What were the names of the witnesses who told the jury about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s balaclava?
“Another fling ended on a more threatening note, with another West Lothian girl Kimberly Tait, claiming Mitchell once pulled a knife on her after she refused to sleep with him. Mitchell claimed the knife incident was only a joke”
“During one army cadet exercise, acquaintances remember the youngster approaching a girl from behind in a balaclava, and warning “it would be so easy to kill you”
Acquaintances? So not witnesses who gave evidence in court.
Your second quote is from yet another alleged victim of Luke who was never called to give evidence in court. More dynamite apparently unused by Turnbull or simply another less than credible witness looking for her 15 minutes of fame and a healthy payout?
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Acquaintances? So not witnesses who gave evidence in court.
How so?
“First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
Con Artist Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/19/killer-luke-mitchell-cofidence-trickster-sandra-lean-on-how-to-say-there-were-reporting-restrictions-without-saying-there-were-reporting-restrictions-part-163/
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Your second quote is from yet another alleged victim of Luke who was never called to give evidence in court. More dynamite apparently unused by Turnbull or simply another less than credible witness looking for her 15 minutes of fame and a healthy payout?
If what you state were a fact - it’s not - but if it were, why is there only this one paragraph on Kimberly T and no other media articles mention her?
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Similarly to how there were and still are dna profiles which link sadistic killer Luke Mitchell to his murder
Can you expand on this, Nicholas? What incriminating DNA from LM was found at the locus? I thought there were only some markers found, from semen on her bra, which matched some of the markers in LM's genetic profile and that it was deemed as innocent transfer because it wasn't fresh semen and because of the fact he and Jodi were in an intimate relationship?
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How so?
“First, we have the Contempt of Court Act 1981. This makes it a contempt to publish anything which gives rise to a substantial risk of serious prejudice to court proceedings - whether a journalist intended to do any harm, or not.
The act allows a banning order to be made even in relation to facts the jury have already heard. The journalist has to give a fair and accurate report of what goes on in court.
Secondly, there are various legal rules to protect the privacy of children who are caught up in legal proceedings.
Thirdly, the judge has authority to protect the integrity of his courtroom.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4192947.stm
Con Artist Sandra Lean - On How To Say There Were Reporting Restrictions Without Saying There Were Reporting Restrictions (Part 164)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/19/killer-luke-mitchell-cofidence-trickster-sandra-lean-on-how-to-say-there-were-reporting-restrictions-without-saying-there-were-reporting-restrictions-part-163/
Absolutely so where is your proof that the act was used in this case?
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If what you state were a fact - it’s not - but if it were, why is there only this one paragraph on Kimberly T and no other media articles mention her?
Indeed you may ask that. Compare her treatment to that of Kimberely Thompson who I believe was younger than Kimberely Tait but whose testimony was reported widely.
Wouldn’t the logical conclusion be that Tait did not give evidence, much like Null, in court? Of course this again raises the question of her credibility as a witness.
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Can you expand on this, Nicholas? What incriminating DNA from LM was found at the locus? I thought there were only some markers found, from semen on her bra, which matched some of the markers in LM's genetic profile and that it was deemed as innocent transfer because it wasn't fresh semen and because of the fact he and Jodi were in an intimate relationship?
‘Some markers’ is of absolutely no evidential value whatsoever. I’m sure some of us here share some DNA markers.
There was Jodi’s DNA on a pair of Luke’s trousers and that was deemed innocent transfer. Perhaps that’s what’s mixing you up?
What do you think of Steven Kelly’s full DNA profile on Jodi’s body? How incriminating do you feel that that was?
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‘Some markers’ is of absolutely no evidential value whatsoever. I’m sure some of us here share some DNA markers.
There was Jodi’s DNA on a pair of Luke’s trousers and that was deemed innocent transfer. Perhaps that’s what’s mixing you up?
What do you think of Steven Kelly’s full DNA profile on Jodi’s body? How incriminating do you feel that that was?
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As far as I'm aware, there was nothing found at the locus which could link LM to the murder. There were 'traces' of his DNA found, from semen, on a bra and all over her body but it was very likely from innocent transfer from their previous meet-ups, and the reason for all of his traces of DNA being there was very likely from rain water diffusion. Likewise, it was accepted that the full DNA profile (from semen) of SK's found on Jodi's t-shirt -- a t-shirt that, it was accepted, was borrowed from her sister Janine; LM said to police at the start of the investigation that Jodi sometimes borrowed Janine's clothes, even identifying the black baggy cords that she'd worn on the night of the murder were Janine's -- at the locus was innocently transferred, as the t-shirt was freshly laundered (it smelled strongly of washing detergent) and therefore the said full profile was from a degraded semen stain that had survived a washing cycle and had spread to her bra and other parts of her body via rain water diffusion, not to mention that Jodi's clothes were all bundled together by police during the early hours of 01.07.03 and therefore causing more innocent DNA transfer to different clothes, etc. Like I said, Jodi borrowed the black t-shirt she was wearing on the evening she was murdered from Janine, and Janine was in an intimate relationship with SK; the t-shirt smelled strongly of washing powder detergent, which led experts to believe the semen stain from which SK's full profile was obtained was a degraded semen stain that had survived a washing machine cycle (or made contact with other clothes of Janine's or SK's that had semen stains on them prior to the murder). Besides, SK's and Janine's whereabouts between dinner time and 2030 hrs on 30.06.03 were thoroughly checked out and they were both alibied by his father, Robert Kelly, as well as other sources. More crucially, Janine herself alibied SK back in 2003 -- just like she does in the present day even though they stopped dating each other a few years after the murder. Janine and Jodi were close as sisters throughout all their lives right up until the murder, so there was no way she would've tried to cover up Jodi's murder. Likewise, JOSJ was close to his younger sister Jodi. They were always a close and loving family right up until Jodi's death. We've all heard about JOSJ's mental health struggles and temper tantrums throughout his late teens and so on, but that doesn't make him a murderer. They were a close and loving family who had problems like all families do, so the notion that he had something to do with his own sister's horrific death is ridiculous. Besides, do you think he would've visited SL's door like he did years after the murder to vent his frustration at her trying to keep the case open, if he'd had something to do with his younger sister's death? It doesn't make sense. Surely he would've distanced himself as much as possible from the case had he been involved in some way and gotten away with it? Josj was clearly annoyed with SL for all the right reasons: because she was -- and still is -- prolonging their pain and suffering. JUDJ visited CM's place of work years after the murder to confront her. Again, this confrontation was for all the right reasons. It wasn't because she was worried that CM could've exposed the Jones family as possibly having had something to do with Jodi's murder, but, rather, that she was annoyed with the fact that CM was prolonging her family's grief and suffering; annoyed at CM's denial.
Btw, the 'stocky man' myth has been debunked several times now over the years. It wasn't JOSJ who was following Jodi on the Easthouses main road that day.
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‘Some markers’ is of absolutely no evidential value whatsoever. I’m sure some of us here share some DNA markers.
There was Jodi’s DNA on a pair of Luke’s trousers and that was deemed innocent transfer. Perhaps that’s what’s mixing you up?
What do you think of Steven Kelly’s full DNA profile on Jodi’s body? How incriminating do you feel that that was?
Yes, I agree that those markers could've been from anyone. It's futile discussing the DNA in this case as it takes us no further forward and it looks like it never will. All of it was retested circa 2013 as per the SCCR and nothing was found.
Yes, I know all about Jodi's DNA on those trousers taken from Luke's house. It was accepted as fact they weren't worn by Luke on the day of the murder and could have been deposited any time, innocently, before the murder.
See my post above re the presence of SK's full DNA profile being found at the locus. It's all been debunked over the years many, many times.
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What do you think of Steven Kelly’s full DNA profile on Jodi’s body? How incriminating do you feel that that was?
Lying again, it really is your trade mark. Full profile from body of SK's?
"The only full profile identified from any of these samples was 10G - O/S Front, shirt piece 2. ---------"
(SL) = SK.
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‘Some markers’ is of absolutely no evidential value whatsoever. I’m sure some of us here share some DNA markers.
There was Jodi’s DNA on a pair of Luke’s trousers and that was deemed innocent transfer. Perhaps that’s what’s mixing you up?
What do you think of Steven Kelly’s full DNA profile on Jodi’s body? How incriminating do you feel that that was?
As far as I'm aware, there was nothing found at the locus which could link LM to the murder. There were 'traces' of his DNA found, from semen, on a bra and all over her body but it was very likely from innocent transfer from their previous meet-ups, and the reason for all of his traces of DNA being there was very likely from rain water diffusion. Likewise, it was accepted that the full DNA profile (from semen) of SK's found on Jodi's t-shirt -- a t-shirt that, it was accepted, was borrowed from her sister Janine; LM said to police at the start of the investigation that Jodi sometimes borrowed Janine's clothes, even identifying the black baggy cords that she'd worn on the night of the murder were Janine's -- at the locus was innocently transferred, as the t-shirt was freshly laundered (it smelled strongly of washing detergent) and therefore the said full profile was from a degraded semen stain that had survived a washing cycle and had spread to her bra and other parts of her body via rain water diffusion, not to mention that Jodi's clothes were all bundled together by police during the early hours of 01.07.03 and therefore causing more innocent DNA transfer to different clothes, etc. Like I said, Jodi borrowed the black t-shirt she was wearing on the evening she was murdered from Janine, and Janine was in an intimate relationship with SK; the t-shirt smelled strongly of washing powder detergent, which led experts to believe the semen stain from which SK's full profile was obtained was a degraded semen stain that had survived a washing machine cycle (or made contact with other clothes of Janine's or SK's that had semen stains on them prior to the murder). Besides, SK's and Janine's whereabouts between dinner time and 2030 hrs on 30.06.03 were thoroughly checked out and they were both alibied by his father, Robert Kelly, as well as other sources. More crucially, Janine herself alibied SK back in 2003 -- just like she does in the present day even though they stopped dating each other a few years after the murder. Janine and Jodi were close as sisters throughout all their lives right up until the murder, so there was no way she would've tried to cover up Jodi's murder. Likewise, JOSJ was close to his younger sister Jodi. They were always a close and loving family right up until Jodi's death. We've all heard about JOSJ's mental health struggles and temper tantrums throughout his late teens and so on, but that doesn't make him a murderer. They were a close and loving family who had problems like all families do, so the notion that he had something to do with his own sister's horrific death is ridiculous. Besides, do you think he would've visited SL's door like he did years after the murder to vent his frustration at her trying to keep the case open, if he'd had something to do with his younger sister's death? It doesn't make sense. Surely he would've distanced himself as much as possible from the case had he been involved in some way and gotten away with it? Josj was clearly annoyed with SL for all the right reasons: because she was -- and still is -- prolonging their pain and suffering. JUDJ visited CM's place of work years after the murder to confront her. Again, this confrontation was for all the right reasons. It wasn't because she was worried that CM could've exposed the Jones family as possibly having had something to do with Jodi's murder, but, rather, that she was annoyed with the fact that CM was prolonging her family's grief and suffering; annoyed at CM's denial.
Btw, the 'stocky man' myth has been debunked several times now over the years. It wasn't JOSJ who was following Jodi on the Easthouses main road that day.
Be honest Mr Apples you have not a shred of evidence for most of the above. That you condone physical intimidation calls your judgement into doubt right off the bat.
Unless you know the Jones’s personally you have no idea what they were like as a family. You are simply believing what you want to believe.
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Yes, I agree that those markers could've been from anyone. It's futile discussing the DNA in this case as it takes us no further forward and it looks like it never will. All of it was retested circa 2013 as per the SCCR and nothing was found.
Yes, I know all about Jodi's DNA on those trousers taken from Luke's house. It was accepted as fact they weren't worn by Luke on the day of the murder and could have been deposited any time, innocently, before the murder.
See my post above re the presence of SK's full DNA profile being found at the locus. It's all been debunked over the years many, many times.
Were tests ever done to establish whether, in this case, semen could have survived a wash in the domestic washing machine used to wash Janine’s clothes? Surely until it was Steven Kelly should not have been ruled out as a suspect?
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Lying again, it really is your trade mark. Full profile from body of SK's?
(SL) = SK.
I think we all know who is introducing dishonesty into this debate.
MIAST stated that Kelly’s DNA was found on Jodi’s tshirt. Has Kelly sued them yet?
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Be honest Mr Apples you have not a shred of evidence for most of the above. That you condone physical intimidation calls your judgement into doubt right off the bat.
Unless you know the Jones’s personally you have no idea what they were like as a family. You are simply believing what you want to believe.
No I don't have evidence, but neither do you (perhaps you have more than most, but you don't have 'everything', and I doubt you were at that 42-day trial to hear all the rest of that incriminating circumstantial evidence and get a feel for the case). What I do have is logic and common sense. I never said I condoned physical intimidation, but there are exceptions to most things -- and this might be one of them. Everyone has a breaking point -- some reach theirs quicker than others. If the shoe was on the other foot, and all that (all that incriminating circumstantial evidence). Would you want some jumped-up, mature student mouthbreather with a bogus doctorate continually fomenting activism that is based on misinformation and is deeply fundamentally flawed? And, no, I don't know the Joneses. They had their fair share of problems admittedly, but murdering and protecting a murderer? No way, Jose.
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Were tests ever done to establish whether, in this case, semen could have survived a wash in the domestic washing machine used to wash Janine’s clothes? Surely until it was Steven Kelly should not have been ruled out as a suspect?
Scientific argument would've no doubt been introduced by the Prosecution in court and clearly explained. I believe SK was treated with an element of suspicion, but obviously he was supplanted by LM when all the circumstantial evidence against the latter began to filter through.
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No I don't have evidence, but neither do you (perhaps you have more than most, but you don't have 'everything', and I doubt you were at that 42-day trial to hear all the rest of that incriminating circumstantial evidence and get a feel for the case). What I do have is logic and common sense. I never said I condoned physical intimidation, but there are exceptions to most things -- and this might be one of them. Everyone has a breaking point -- some reach theirs quicker than others. If the shoe was on the other foot, and all that (all that incriminating circumstantial DNA). Would you want some jumped-up, mature student mouthbreather with a bogus doctorate continually fomenting activism that is based on misinformation and is deeply fundamentally flawed? And, no, I don't know the Joneses. They had their fair share of problems admittedly, but murdering and protecting a murderer? No way, Jose.
No there is never exceptions when it comes to physically intimidating a woman and her two children, no matter what you think of Dr Lean on a personal level. I’m sure every male who has ever physically or psychologically intimidated a woman is able to justify it to himself in the same way…..’she drove me to it’. I’m shocked that you even tried to condone it. I thought that you were better than that.
Of course you don’t know the Jones’s and what you do know is coloured by their understandably hands off treatment by the press. We do know however that [Name removed] was psychotic and indulging in behaviour that afternoon that exacerbated his mental condition. We also know that he was prone to violent episodes. Who knows what the outcome of that behaviour may have been?
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Scientific argument would've no doubt been introduced by the Prosecution in court and clearly explained. I believe SK was treated with an element of suspicion, but obviously he was supplanted by LM when all the circumstantial evidence against the latter began to filter through.
Before the case even got to court tests should have been carried out which tested the police’s theory re: Kelly’s DNA transfer. If the police had treated Kelly as the suspect he should have been this would have been the first thing they did. Why didn’t they? A DNA profile on a body that had no legitimate reason to be there is far weighty evidence against an individual than any circumstantial case.
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No there is never exceptions when it comes to physically intimidating a woman and her two children, no matter what you think of Dr Lean on a personal level. I’m sure every male who has ever physically or psychologically intimidated a woman is able to justify it to himself in the same way…..’she drove me to it’. I’m shocked that you even tried to condone it. I thought that you were better than that.
Of course you don’t know the Jones’s and what you do know is coloured by their understandably hands off treatment by the press. We do know however that [Name removed] was psychotic and indulging in behaviour that afternoon that exacerbated his mental condition. We also know that he was prone to violent episodes. Who knows what the outcome of that behaviour may have been?
This was one of the most horrific murders ever seen in Scotland. They had to get it right. They had to leave no stone unturned (I'm sure in hindsight, L&BP would've done some things differently). Do you think the police didn't look into all the family and search their houses, take DNA samples from them, etc? Of course they did. As I said, JOSJ had his fair share of problems and a history of violent episodes, but it doesn't make him a murderer. But, I've no doubt he was checked out thoroughly. The police may have had a hunch early on that it was LM, but not, imo, of the expense of looking into other potential suspects (inclusive of Jodi's own family members). They suspected LM for good reason.
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Before the case even got to court tests should have been carried out which tested the police’s theory re: Kelly’s DNA transfer. If the police had treated Kelly as the suspect he should have been this would have been the first thing they did. Why didn’t they? A DNA profile on a body that had no legitimate reason to be there is far weighty evidence against an individual than any circumstantial case.
These experienced officers sometimes get a hunch. Their instincts were that something was off about LM himself, and his inconsistent stories. DNA isn't the be all and end all. This case proved that. The DNA was from a laundered shirt; it was a degraded sample and not a fresh deposit (they would have been able to tell if it was a fresh deposit, even though it was left out in the rain for some 8 hours). It would have been widely reported had it been a fresh semen deposit. If it was on the body, then it got there by rainwater diffusion through the laundered t-shirt. SK was effectively ruled out by scientific facts and a solid alibi by his father and Janine herself (as well as other things). Why does Janine still alibi him in the present day? Why wasn't LM screaming and shouting when that guilty verdict came through? He was calm all throughout the entire ordeal, was he not? LM was no shrinking violet. Why no emotion from him if he was innocent?
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This was one of the most horrific murders ever seen in Scotland. They had to get it right. They had to leave no stone unturned (I'm sure in hindsight, L&BP would've done some things differently). Do you think the police didn't look into all the family and search their houses, take DNA samples from them, etc? Of course they did. As I said, JOSJ had his fair share of problems and a history of violent episodes, but it doesn't make him a murderer. But, I've no doubt he was checked out thoroughly. The police may have had a hunch early on that it was LM, but not, imo, of the expense of looking into other potential suspects (inclusive of Jodi's own family members). They suspected LM for good reason.
No I know that the police didn’t search any property connected to the Jones family. I don’t make claims on a hunch.
You say that having a violent history does not make you a murderer but at the very least it should make you a prime suspect. Unfortunately again he wasn’t checked out thoroughly or if he was that information was not disclosed to the defence.
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These experienced officers sometimes get a hunch. Their instincts were that something was off about LM himself, and his inconsistent stories. DNA isn't the be all and end all. This case proved that. The DNA was from a laundered shirt; it was a degraded sample and not a fresh deposit (they would have been able to tell if it was a fresh deposit, even though it was left out in the rain for some 8 hours). It would have been widely reported had it been a fresh semen deposit. If it was on the body, then it got there by rainwater diffusion through the laundered t-shirt. SK was effectively ruled out by scientific facts and a solid alibi by his father and Janine herself (as well as other things). Why does Janine still alibi him in the present day? Why wasn't LM screaming and shouting when that guilty verdict came through? He was calm all throughout the entire ordeal, was he not? LM was no shrinking violet. Why no emotion from him if he was innocent?
Let’s start at the end and work backwards.
Luke’s behaviour when the verdict was announced says nothing about his inner feelings. Ask any psychologist. Under stress people don’t always act the way you expect them to. Do I really have to explain that to you?
Why does Janine alibi Kelly to the present day? Could it be that to admit now that she had lied and given him a false alibi she would open herself up to a criminal charge? His father likewise. What ‘other things’ ruled out Kelly? The ‘washing machine’ theory was never tested. How can it possible be a fact. In fact it’s not even clear if the t-shirt was Janine’s.
A boy’s life should not be ripped from him on ‘a hunch’ but solid evidence.
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell started dating Kara Van Null a few weeks after he started dating Jodi Jones
Jodi Jones only met with up with killer Luke Mitchell a couple of times a week when she first started dating him at/around the end of March 2003
Then there was Laura Wightman
“But only weeks into the relationship, Jodi became worried about Mitchell's close friendship with Laura Wightman, a girl he would later take to her graveside.
Laura was with Luke a lot and once Jodi heard that he might have been cheating on her but I think she spoke to him and they sorted it out”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES%3A+HER+SOULMATES+My+Luke+has+all+these+knives+in+his...-a0127512558
The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
As well as Kimberly Thompson and Kimberly Tait
This is what Kim Tait stated;
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
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Wouldn’t the logical conclusion be that Tait did not give evidence, much like Null, in court? Of course this again raises the question of her credibility as a witness.
Again I am aware of witnesses who gave evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial who the main stream media did not report on
These are also people scammer Sandra Lean has never mentioned
It’s not clear how long killer Luke Mitchell attended army cadets for
Kara VN stated killer Luke Mitchell’s knife attack on her, when he was wearing his balaclava and pulled it down over his face, occurred in May 2003
However one news article suggests killer Luke joined the army cadets in December 2001 and had left in March 2003
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However one news article suggests killer Luke joined the army cadets in December 2001 and had left in March 2003
In September 2018 sadistic killer Luke Mitchell stated;
“I wanted to join the armed forces but this put a complete stop to it obviously. I joined the cadets aged 13 and everything felt right. It was the only thing I had geared myself towards”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
Why did he leave the cadets allegedly in March 2003?
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Kara VN stated killer Luke Mitchell’s knife attack on her, when he was wearing his balaclava and pulled it down over his face, occurred in May 2003
Or at least this is what the media reported
Wasn’t there another knife attack on another young girl whilst sadistic killer Luke Mitchell attended army cadets ?
Was it this other knife attack being referred to in the Herald?
‘During one army cadet exercise, acquaintances remember the youngster approaching a girl from behind in a balaclava, and warning “it would be so easy to kill you.”
Or was this another young girl?
When exactly did killer Luke Mitchell leave army cadets and why?
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Can you expand on this, Nicholas? What incriminating DNA from LM was found at the locus?
“John Smythe:
The DNA on Jodi’s bra was only a partial match and cannot be claimed as belonging to Luke Mitchell
In the innocence fraud appeal of violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, partial matches from Mr B were said to be found in around 3 or 4 alleged “crime specific” areas
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The grubby mind of the journalist?
And some of his ‘fictional facts’.
How can you be sure this hasn’t come from Laura Wightman’s evidence?
The following was written by Maggie Barry
The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
“ He said: ‘The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi’s friend Laura.
“They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi”
When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift. by Grace McLean
Grace McLean from the daily mail interviewed killer Luke Mitchell a few days after either his 4th July 2003 police interview or his 14th August police interview
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/
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“ He said: ‘The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi’s friend Laura.
“They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi”
When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell told Grace McLean his intimate relationship with Laura Wightmans “…was all rubbish”
But it wasn’t
Is the reason there wasn’t more focus on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s relationship with Laura Wightman during his trial because of Laura’s medical condition?
It appears clear Laura W’s “severe depressive disorder” was made known about during the trial
“…one friend sided with Mitchell forming an intimate relationship with him in the aftermath of the killing
Despite her initial loyalty, she and Mitchell became estranged and the 15-year-old was later diagnosed with a severe depressive disorder, exacerbated by the heavy use of cannabis and the trauma of her friends murder. Increasing doubts over Mitchell’s innocence may have contributed to her condition.
Did Laura Wightman’s witness statement say she had become estranged from killer Luke Mitchell?
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If you are aware of some of the history of this case you will know that there were and still are “weak DNA” profiles that “fitted” with Andrew Malkinson’s dna.
Can you offer a citation to back up this claim?
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If you are aware of some of the history of this case you will know that there were and still are “weak DNA” profiles that “fitted” with Andrew Malkinson’s dna
Can you offer a citation to back up this claim?
Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden’s 2016 book The Nicholas cases
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These experienced officers sometimes get a hunch. Their instincts were that something was off about LM himself, and his inconsistent stories. DNA isn't the be all and end all. This case proved that. The DNA was from a laundered shirt; it was a degraded sample and not a fresh deposit (they would have been able to tell if it was a fresh deposit, even though it was left out in the rain for some 8 hours). It would have been widely reported had it been a fresh semen deposit. If it was on the body, then it got there by rainwater diffusion through the laundered t-shirt. SK was effectively ruled out by scientific facts and a solid alibi by his father and Janine herself (as well as other things). Why does Janine still alibi him in the present day? Why wasn't LM screaming and shouting when that guilty verdict came through? He was calm all throughout the entire ordeal, was he not? LM was no shrinking violet. Why no emotion from him if he was innocent?
It is an axiom of DNA profiling that the existence of a profile does not provide information on how or when it was transferred. DNA that is partially degraded gives what is called a ski slope appearance; the peaks in the electropherogram become smaller as one moves left to right. A sample that is degraded sufficiently cannot be a complete profile for that reason; the peaks on the right (representing the longest pieces of DNA) will have disappeared.
There was an insightful study of DNA transfer using a video camera, circa 2013 (first author was Goray IIRC). Short of that, I cannot imagine how one would prove a particular hypothesis of DNA transfer. The police theory asks one to believe that one person would borrow someone else's t-shirt when that person lived nearly a mile away. That is unexpected.
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Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden’s 2016 book The Nicholas cases
Can you provide a page number?
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Did Laura Wightman’s witness statement say she had become estranged from killer Luke Mitchell?
The media reported that Laura Wightman had given a police witness statement in July 2003 and September, by which point she was in a relationship with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell
In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi’s best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend and often hugged her in public.
However the 15 year old had criticised Mr Mitchell after he bought a knife after Jodi’s death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and September were read in court after the jury were told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
Laura Wightman would have had to have made another police statement after the two statements mentioned above as the replacement knife was not purchased until December 2003
“She described herself as really close to Jodi and also “best mates” with Luke”
Was Laura Wightman being honest in her earlier July 2003 statement or was she already in an intimate relationship with killer Luke Mitchell?
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Can you expand on this, Nicholas? What incriminating DNA from LM was found at the locus? I thought there were only some markers found, from semen on her bra, which matched some of the markers in LM's genetic profile and that it was deemed as innocent transfer because it wasn't fresh semen and because of the fact he and Jodi were in an intimate relationship?
How would it have been possible to deconvolute one profile from a three-person mixture, especially given that the profiles were incomplete?! In particular how would it have been possible to do so without also deconvoluting the other two profiles (yet those two individuals have never been named publicly to the best of awareness). If Ms. Urey simply compared Luke's profile to the three-person mixture (as opposed to deconvoluting the profiles), then she engaged in suspect centered analysis, which is universally deemed not acceptable in DNA profiling.
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In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi’s best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend and often hugged her in public.
However the 15 year old had criticised Mr Mitchell after he bought a knife after Jodi’s death.
Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and September were read in court after the jury were told the girl was too ill to give evidence.
Laura Wightman would have had to have made another police statement after the two statements mentioned above as the replacement knife was not purchased until December 2003
“However, she also described how she “went radge” when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife sometime after Jodi’s death”
When exactly was Laura Wightman referring to?
If the above statement about going “radge” was from Laura’s July or September 2003 witness statement, then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was planning to replace the knife he had committed his murder with sooner than December 2003
“I told him it was really disrespectful,” she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied: “it was only for cutting weed,”
The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi’s death. Laura told them, “No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would be me sitting in the jail now”
Was the above statement by Laura Wightman referring to September 2004 as opposed to September 2003?
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How would it have been possible to deconvolute one profile from a three-person mixture, especially given that the profiles were incomplete?! In particular how would it have been possible to do so without also deconvoluting the other two profiles
Are you referring to rapist Andrew Malkinson or killer Luke Mitchell case?
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No I know that the police didn’t search any property connected to the Jones family. I don’t make claims on a hunch.
You say that having a violent history does not make you a murderer but at the very least it should make you a prime suspect. Unfortunately again he wasn’t checked out thoroughly or if he was that information was not disclosed to the defence.
Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer) did this individual go on to have a record of violent crime committed after the murder?
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Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer) did this individual go on to have a record of violent crime committed after the murder?
No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.
The fragments of truth they take from statements and so forth show just how thoroughly investigated he was and eliminated. To now make wild claims (predictable) that his history was "hidden" from the defence.
They claim there were no statements taken from him to then refer to a statement, forgetting their own lies. Which is constant.
The knife in the skip with the broken blade, those claims it was "hidden" (Throw in a word and it makes it all believable, yawn). The parka jacket from a house, those claimed "hidden" samples (That word again) Knife in skip with broken blade they say with blood upon it! And as we know splashed all over the media at the time, tested and nothing of the victim upon it. In the forensic reports as was the Parka!
Blood, knife handle with broken blade - partial profile - unknown male 5
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No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.
The fragments of truth they take from statements and so forth show just how thoroughly investigated he was and eliminated. To now make wild claims (predictable) that his history was "hidden" from the defence.
They claim there were no statements taken from him to then refer to a statement, forgetting their own lies. Which is constant.
The knife in the skip with the broken blade, those claims it was "hidden" (Throw in a word and it makes it all believable, yawn). The parka jacket from a house, those claimed "hidden" samples (That word again) Knife in skip with broken blade they say with blood upon it! And as we know splashed all over the media at the time, tested and nothing of the victim upon it. In the forensic reports as was the Parka!
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Unless you were involved in the investigation, which would suggest a particular bias, the prosecution team, again which would suggest bias or you know the family intimately, which would also suggest a particular bias, then you have no way of knowing the information you claim above. That’s simply a fact.
That you bang on about other’s dishonesty while indulging in some of the most heinous examples yourself appears to suggest that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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LM was not forensically examined all over, another myth. Hair sample taken, finger nails and appearance noted. Gordo tried the nonsense with all sorts showing up from river water. And even IF, and that is a mighty IF, anything had been picked up, he was out and about in the woods, river with the boys for over an hour - Empty nonsense yet again.
His clothes were taken and tested.
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No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.
It's hypocritically ironic the number of convicted criminals who support LM and who timid SL associates with while playing the victim.
Forbes the misogynist convicted armed robber, James Mitchell convicted killer, Danny Kelly convicted knife criminal, Mr Patter convicted knife criminal, James English convicted woman beater, various sexual offenders who attend protests and throw in Billy Middleton if you want too. Joe J turns up at to have a word at SL's door and it's the crime of the century - or someone mentions her work van and it turns into a death threat. Get a grip!
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Unless you were involved in the investigation, which would suggest a particular bias, the prosecution team, again which would suggest bias or you know the family intimately, which would also suggest a particular bias, then you have no way of knowing the information you claim above. That’s simply a fact.
That you bang on about other’s dishonesty while indulging in some of the most heinous examples yourself appears to suggest that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
So what you’re saying is, either you have all the facts at your disposal and are biased or you are ignorant. LOL. Which one are you Faithlilly?
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Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden’s 2016 book The Nicholas cases
I read an article (via the Wayback machine) about Mr. Malkinson that was written by Bob Woffinden, and it had no mention of such profiles. Can you quote a sentence or two and give a page number? Thanks in advance.
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I read an article (via the Wayback machine) about Mr. Malkinson that was written by Bob Woffinden, and it had no mention of such profiles.
Is that the one where violent rapist, parasitic predator & convicted fraudster Andrew Malkinson attempted to gaslight and further abuse his victim & pretended his attack & rapes didn’t happen & his victim had made everything up?
The same one which that grifting innocence fraudster Jon Robins deleted from his justice gap website?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/08/forensically-aware-violent-rapist-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-chose-to-abuse-gaslight-his-victim-publicly-via-bob-woffinden-others-in-may-2016-part-37/
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It's hypocritically ironic the number of convicted criminals who support LM and who timid SL associates with while playing the victim.
Forbes the misogynist convicted armed robber, James Mitchell convicted killer, Danny Kelly convicted knife criminal, Mr Patter convicted knife criminal, James English convicted woman beater, various sexual offenders who attend protests and throw in Billy Middleton if you want too. Joe J turns up at to have a word at SL's door and it's the crime of the century - or someone mentions her work van and it turns into a death threat. Get a grip!
Gullible people Kenmore around the fairy story of [Name removed]'s?- The story telling in that visit to her door, one must be seriously disappointed no others happened for they really did like making a meal of it. It is a crock of BS.
Here is a wee jig on that visit. Opens the door to a threatening stranger, he only has his eyeballs showing. She has no way of recognizing him, he tells her who he is, but still has no way of knowing if this is him or not. Gets in this "violent" knowledge of him and chats with him. He was so threatening, she did not shut the door, tell him to leave or she would call the police, she offers to go fetch the case papers to go through them with him. - Threatening my backside. It again is predictive nonsense, the start of implanting that seed around the victims family.
She goes to the police they go to the male. What does the male do, the one who was fully disguised up to the eyeballs? He is honest, admits the visit to her door. Not interested in the fantasy and fallacy. SL and this really is class, identified the male, the one where all she saw was his eyeballs - Remarkable eyes? She claims a friend was behind the door who at no point had to intervene with this threatening stranger, I do wonder, did they pop along to the police station with SL, surely not the accurate version, as above, no charges brought. No doubt advised to not return which he has obviously not done - Does not fit the image portrayed about him at all, does it now? The claimed, unpredictable monster type thing! - Makes for a story though all the same!
SL says she had to flee her home, that the police may have been tracking her phone, took herself in a camper van into some car-park whilst security was being fitted to her home. Security she claims in-case anyone else should give her trouble (zero), but no security already in place for those sensitive case papers! Papers stored in a spare room of a council estate home! I believe Mayfield does not have the best reputations to boot also. - NB, there are NO directions to SL's house in this, Mayfield comprises of thousands of homes.
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The police theory asks one to believe that one person would borrow someone else's t-shirt when that person lived nearly a mile away.
No it doesn’t
Jodi Jones sometimes stayed over at her grandmother Alice Walker’s house
Jodi had in fact stayed over at her grans on Saturday 28th/Sunday 29th June 2003
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So what you’re saying is, either you have all the facts at your disposal and are biased or you are ignorant. LOL. Which one are you Faithlilly?
One does give up engaging, rambling heedlessly for the most part, there is no point in debate with proven liars. They simply ignore the lies and invent some more. And in classic SL style, they blurt you are the liar without in the slightest being able to show this as true. In the words of SF's "Classic projection" ;-)
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His clothes were taken and tested.
Indeed they did Chris, certainly not wearing the same clothes he was seen in on the east and west side of the murder site. Now, whilst that has been proven in a court of law, any opinion you have has not been. But the interesting thing about there being nothing upon the soles of his footwear after being over that wall - It showed that LM had not went as far as he claimed, and that no killer made their escape that way. But dam, you will not even know those details, will you? Tell me Chris, exactly how far down that passage did LM claim to have went? That it was proven he had barely moved? Yet those wonderous descriptions, which were physically impossible for him to have given. Not interested in the claim of LM saying 'wait, put the screen back on. I can see -------' Snip bits of absolute emptiness.
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Gullible people Kenmore around the fairy story of [Name removed]'s?- The story telling in that visit to her door, one must be seriously disappointed no others happened for they really did like making a meal of it. It is a crock of BS.
It most certainly is!
Scammer Sandra Lean, like the rest of her nonsense narratives, has added arms and legs to her story about [Name removed] visiting her at “her door” back in 2010
Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton would have no doubt lied about this also
Yet more make believe nonsens from scammer Sandra Lean’s second innocence fraud book IB (p.26)
“ I closed the door, shaking. What should I do? Fortunately, I had a colleague visiting that day who had stayed out of view but saw and heard everything. We decided to go to the police, where another shock awaited me. I approached the desk and gave a brief outline of what had happened, pointing out that the person was Jodi’s brother. The police officer wrote down some details as I spoke and then glanced up at me. “Which one of the Mitchell brothers did you say it was?” I was furious. Had it been one of the Mitchell brothers, there was only one it could be, since the other was serving a life sentence for a murder he didn’t commit. But it was the ease with which this officer assumed it must be one of the Mitchells behaving this way which infuriated me”
The “colleague” nonsense was un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton, who was scammer Sandra Lean’s new boyfriend http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18c%ef%b8%8f/
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It's hypocritically ironic the number of convicted criminals who support LM and who timid SL associates with while playing the victim.
Forbes the misogynist convicted armed robber, James Mitchell convicted killer, Danny Kelly convicted knife criminal, Mr Patter convicted knife criminal, James English convicted woman beater, various sexual offenders who attend protests and throw in Billy Middleton if you want too. Joe J turns up at to have a word at SL's door and it's the crime of the century - or someone mentions her work van and it turns into a death threat. Get a grip!
You’ve omitted Philip Saunders murderer Michael O’Brien and Keith Nicholson’s murderer Michelle Nicholson & endless other dangerous offenders
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Gullible people Kenmore around the fairy story of [Name removed]'s?- The story telling in that visit to her door, one must be seriously disappointed no others happened for they really did like making a meal of it. It is a crock of BS.
Here is a wee jig on that visit. Opens the door to a threatening stranger, he only has his eyeballs showing. She has no way of recognizing him, he tells her who he is, but still has no way of knowing if this is him or not. Gets in this "violent" knowledge of him and chats with him. He was so threatening, she did not shut the door, tell him to leave or she would call the police, she offers to go fetch the case papers to go through them with him. - Threatening my backside. It again is predictive nonsense, the start of implanting that seed around the victims family.
Wasn’t innocent Steven Kelly, scammer Sandra Lean, Corinne Mitchell and her killer son Luke Mitchell’s main target around this time
Charlatan Sandra Lean Has Zero Credibility, Her Continuous Lies & Gaslighting, Including About Innocent Steven Kelly, Cara Sulieman’s 2010 Article For Deadline News & The Defunct WAP Website & Un-Convicted Baby Killer Billy Middleton (Part 7)
X = innocent Steven Kelly
“Luke Mitchell, 22, was convicted of the murder of his 14-year-old girlfriend in 2005.
But his mum recently posted on an internet forum that evidence points to someone else.
She wrote: “X’s semen and blood were on Jodi’s T-shirt*…his description and clothing matched a witness statement of a male ‘following Jodi’…he was known to the police.
“Is it me or is anyone else adding things up here?
“Description of man seen behind Jodi – grey hooded top
“Several days after the murder X hands his grey hooded top to the police saying it has been washed
And Sandra Lean, author and researcher on miscarriages of justice, added:
“Our Mr X is emerging as more and more suspicious.
“The info that’s coming our way is shocking, especially as the police should have been onto this stuff right from the beginning.”
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-7/
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She goes to the police they go to the male. What does the male do, the one who was fully disguised up to the eyeballs? He is honest, admits the visit to her door. Not interested in the fantasy and fallacy. SL and this really is class, identified the male, the one where all she saw was his eyeballs - Remarkable eyes?
This is similar to hypocrite Neal Keeling from Manchester evening news on violent rapist Andrew Malkinson
Hypocrite & Gaslighter Neal Keeling Of Manchester Evening News & His Memory Verses The Memory Of Violent Rapist, Former Amateur Boxer & Convicted Fraudster (Thailand 2001) Andrew Malkinson’s VICTIM (Part 12)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/19/hypocrite-neal-keeling-his-memory-verses-the-memory-of-violent-rapist-andrew-malkinsons-victim-part-12/
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SL says she had to flee her home, that the police may have been tracking her phone, took herself in a camper van into some car-park whilst security was being fitted to her home.
This wasn’t the story scammer Sandra Lean was telling in 2010
Allegedly she and her boyfriend un-convicted baby murderer Billy Middleton were setting up some kind of trap for [Name removed]
Wasn’t the having to “flee her home” another time - similar to her recent nonsense (on 16th June 2023) when she pretended she was going on the run from the police
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Security she claims in-case anyone else should give her trouble (zero), but no security already in place for those sensitive case papers!
The same confidential and “sensitive case papers” she was not supposed to be sharing with anyone else due to the laws in Scotland around this
Did scammer Sandra Lean make a police statement saying she had planned to share some of those case papers with [Name removed]?
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“ He said: ‘The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi’s friend Laura.
“They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi”
When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift. by Grace McLean
Did the prosecution originally plan to call Laura Wightman to give evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial, but Laura Wightman pulled out on medical grounds?
Does anyone know if Laura Wightman had a solicitor back in 2004?
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The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
What did Corinne Mitchell say about this around the time?
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One does give up engaging, rambling heedlessly for the most part, there is no point in debate with proven liars.
You are absolutely right but how else am I going to call out your dishonesty?
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Gullible people Kenmore around the fairy story of [Name removed]'s?- The story telling in that visit to her door, one must be seriously disappointed no others happened for they really did like making a meal of it. It is a crock of BS.
Here is a wee jig on that visit. Opens the door to a threatening stranger, he only has his eyeballs showing. She has no way of recognizing him, he tells her who he is, but still has no way of knowing if this is him or not. Gets in this "violent" knowledge of him and chats with him. He was so threatening, she did not shut the door, tell him to leave or she would call the police, she offers to go fetch the case papers to go through them with him. - Threatening my backside. It again is predictive nonsense, the start of implanting that seed around the victims family.
She goes to the police they go to the male. What does the male do, the one who was fully disguised up to the eyeballs? He is honest, admits the visit to her door. Not interested in the fantasy and fallacy. SL and this really is class, identified the male, the one where all she saw was his eyeballs - Remarkable eyes? She claims a friend was behind the door who at no point had to intervene with this threatening stranger, I do wonder, did they pop along to the police station with SL, surely not the accurate version, as above, no charges brought. No doubt advised to not return which he has obviously not done - Does not fit the image portrayed about him at all, does it now? The claimed, unpredictable monster type thing! - Makes for a story though all the same!
SL says she had to flee her home, that the police may have been tracking her phone, took herself in a camper van into some car-park whilst security was being fitted to her home. Security she claims in-case anyone else should give her trouble (zero), but no security already in place for those sensitive case papers! Papers stored in a spare room of a council estate home! I believe Mayfield does not have the best reputations to boot also. - NB, there are NO directions to SL's house in this, Mayfield comprises of thousands of homes.
This ‘big saftie’ who had injured his mum trying to stab someone else. Who had frightened his cousin to such an extent that his cousin moved to Ayrshire. I’m not surprised that Dr Lean was afraid when he turned up at her door and anyone who tries to make excuses for or minimise his behaviour really does need to give their head a wobble.
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You are absolutely right but how else am I going to call out your dishonesty?
Um, you can’t be absolutely right and dishonest at the same time can you?
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You’ve omitted Philip Saunders murderer Michael O’Brien and Keith Nicholson’s murderer Michelle Nicholson & endless other dangerous offenders
Didn't take long for Lean to jump on the "what if Lucy Letby is innocent" angle for her own good with zero thought for the victims families as usual.
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As did the girl he was cheating on Jodi with, Kimberley Thomson:
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
And he absolutely was 2 timing the pair of them despite what Sandra says. This is likely what they were arguing about on the day of the murder, because Luke had plans to spend time with Kimberley Thomson 60 miles away now that school was finished. Kimberley and Luke were texting "love you" to each other just days before the murder.
As did his former high school teacher, who had reason to remember it because he joked that Luke resembled a "hooded monk" walking around school with it on. This teacher retired that summer so could only have seen Luke wearing it before the murder.
As did Luke's friends.
All these independent people, deciding to lie for no apparent reason. *%87
My mistake this was Kimberley Thomson
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“Another fling ended on a more threatening note, with another West Lothian girl, Kimberley Tait, claiming Mitchell once pulled a knife on her after she refused to sleep with him. Mitchell claimed the knife incident was only a joke.
So who exactly was/is Kimberley Tait?
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“ He said: ‘The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi’s friend Laura.
“They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi”
When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift. by Grace McLean
Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell asked about Laura Wightman during his 14th August 2003 police interview?
If so, what did he tell them about his relationship with Laura W?
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The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
Was it Laura Wightman who confirmed to police her and killer Luke Mitchell were “having sex” or LM?
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By Maggie Barry
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
And as Jodi learned to her cost, Mitchell did not like to be told "no".
Police believe it was Jodi's angry reaction at learning about his other girlfriend which led to her death.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
By Grace McLean
“ He said: ‘The cops asked me about my relationship with Jodi’s friend Laura.
“They asked me about Laura and if I wanted it to be just the two of us and asked if that was why I killed Jodi”
When he returned, he told his mother he was going to see his friend Laura and, since it was on my way, I offered to give Mitchell a lift.
When exactly was killer Luke Mitchell questioned about Kimberly Thomson?
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Was it Laura Wightman who confirmed to police her and killer Luke Mitchell were “having sex” or LM?
What exactly did the police establish in relation to how often killer Luke Mitchell was in contact with Laura Wightman?.
What did his phone records say?
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By Maggie Barry
KILLER Luke Mitchell was a violent thug - but girls flocked to be his lover.
The teenager's reputation as a moody rebel captured the hearts of girls in Dalkeith.
But behind his mask, Mitchell was a woman-h ater who tried to force his lovers to have sex at the point of a knife.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
What did Laura Wightman say about this?
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Quote from: Chris_Halkides on Today at 02:34:44 AM
The police theory asks one to believe that one person would borrow someone else's t-shirt when that person lived nearly a mile away.
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No it doesn’t
Jodi Jones sometimes stayed over at her grandmother Alice Walker’s house
Jodi had in fact stayed over at her grans on Saturday 28th/Sunday 29th June 2003
Exactly, not a theory at all. Well proven that the sisters stayed together frequently, week in and out. What "a mile apart" has to do with anything I have no idea. We also know that SK stayed over at the grans house with his girlfriend. LM also frequenting there and making it clear in the investigation that his girlfriend wore her sisters clothing, on the day of the murder to be precise!
But and again, that abundance of lies put out, how do people even begin to sift through fact from fiction with proven liars. The elder sister as pointed out before, did not move away from home at 14yrs old, she moved from the grans house at this age to the new family home. Returning to her former home when she was all but 16 if not 16. Zero loss of contact, where it has been shown that the mother saw the gran, daughter, almost daily. All clarified and backed up in that thorough investigation into others, into SK and so forth.
And again, the lie that the t-shirt was never identified as belonging to the elder sister, shown to the witness at court to do just that - Limited case papers, not every statement, no access to the investigation, no court attendance, no full court transcripts - Very much why those lies are needed one would assume, that front and pretence at all times until exposed, on repeat.
Also as stated before, the strength of the evidence and not its weakness, that had a top QC failed to produce that doubt. The presence of another connected male, his DNA, where the enablers would have you believe by way of lying that the police handed the story on a plate to him - That continuous yarn that is spun, forever snaring themselves in that web of deceit.
Two other connected males in the vicinity - All fully investigated and eliminated. The enablers stating they were eliminated immediately, when they have absolutely no way of knowing this, more fallacy on a whim.
Still stating that LM cannot release his statement from the morning of July 1st, absolutely false. He chooses not to do so - Fact.
Whilst putting together that submission to the SCCRC, the knowledge held around that claimed identity of the mystery male, knowing for a fact it is a load of nonsense, you are correct Nicholas, they were still trying to place SK as possibly being that male whilst holding that information. Still spinning out that he was only alibied by his girlfriend, yet another blatant lie. Pulled up for the lie then claiming the statement of alibi had been "buried" - Crock of BS yet again.
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What did Laura Wightman say about this?
It has been said that LW stopped speaking with LM and his mother - Which speaks volumes.
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It has been said that LW stopped speaking with LM and his mother - Which speaks volumes.
It does look like this was the case
I’d like to hear from Laura Wightman
I’d also like to know if Laura Wightman ever spoke to that guardian writer Lorna Martin who wrote the following;
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Why did Lorna Martin refer to Laura Wightman, who was said to be suffering from a “severe depressive disorder”, as opposed to Gemma Chapman?
And why was Gemma Chapman referred to as kiler Luke Mitchell’s “secret girlfriend’ by the Scotsman?
https://www.scotsman.com/news/girlfriend-of-jodis-killer-speaks-of-her-love-for-him-2512833
Gemma Chapman was photographed going in and out of court with Corinne Mitchell during the trial, and it was made known that Gemma was LM’s girlfriend during his trial, so she could hardly have been a “secret girlfriend”.
It was also ultimately dawn to Gemma Chapman that the first jury trial had to be halted because Gemma recognised a jury member
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Did “best friend” Laura Wightman attend Jodi Jones funeral?
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But and again, that abundance of lies put out, how do people even begin to sift through fact from fiction with proven liars. The elder sister as pointed out before, did not move away from home at 14yrs old, she moved from the grans house at this age to the new family home. Returning to her former home when she was all but 16 if not 16. Zero loss of contact, where it has been shown that the mother saw the gran, daughter, almost daily. All clarified and backed up in that thorough investigation into others, into SK and so forth.
We are still waiting for scammer Sandra Lean to clarify the living arrangements of her eldest daughter, who was said to be living in the custody of her father NOT with her mother
The two (mother and eldest daughter) did not speak for years
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Still stating that LM cannot release his statement from the morning of July 1st, absolutely false. He chooses not to do so - Fact.
Same applies to liar Corinne Mitchell!
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Was it Laura Wightman who confirmed to police her and killer Luke Mitchell were “having sex” or LM?
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell told detective constable George Thomson that “he had had a previous sexual relationship with a girl called Kimberley”
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
What did killer Luke Mitchell say about Laura Wightman?
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It is an axiom of DNA profiling that the existence of a profile does not provide information on how or when it was transferred. DNA that is partially degraded gives what is called a ski slope appearance; the peaks in the electropherogram become smaller as one moves left to right. A sample that is degraded sufficiently cannot be a complete profile for that reason; the peaks on the right (representing the longest pieces of DNA) will have disappeared.
There was an insightful study of DNA transfer using a video camera, circa 2013 (first author was Goray IIRC). Short of that, I cannot imagine how one would prove a particular hypothesis of DNA transfer. The police theory asks one to believe that one person would borrow someone else's t-shirt when that person lived nearly a mile away. That is unexpected.
It's common knowledge that a full complete genetic profile can be obtained from washed semen stains -- sometimes from materials that have been washed up to 4 or 5 times -- even from minute semen deposits. There is no doubt this was raised in court and clearly explained and clarified. It's obvious the semen stain in this case hadn't degraded to the extent that a full profile could not be obtained. The said profile had migrated to other areas of Jodi's clothing and body by rainwater diffusion -- this is common sense and was clarified in court. Jodi's naked body and clothing were left lying uncovered for a full 8 hours in a woodland strip where it had rained quite heavily during the early hours. Her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap by police, rather than bagged separately. Janine even said -- as LM himself had told police -- that Jodi borrowed her clothes sometimes. And Jodi and Janine were in regular contact with each other, where Janine visted Jodi at their mother's house and Jodi visited Janine at their gran's house, even staying there sometimes. The t-shirt from where the full profile, from semen, was obtained had been freshly washed/laundered (it smelled strongly of washing detergent). SK was alibied by his father and Janine, and the latter still alibies him in the present day even though they split up many years ago. Hope that makes sense.
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Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
Detective constable George Thomson asked sadistic killer Luke Mitchell
“During the time you were going out with Jodi did you see other girls? Did you two-time Jodi?”
Mr Mitchell told him: “No”
He said he had not seen Kimberley since New Year and the last time he had phoned her was “about January-ish”.
He lied!
In reality killer Luke Mitchell had met up with Kimberley Thomson on 14th February 2003 and remained in contact with Kimberley Thomson, even after he had committed his murder
He had also started seeing a young girl called Kara Van Null around the time he started dating Jodi Jones in March 2003
Then there was apparently a young girl called Kimberley Tait and an 11 year old girl, also called Kimberley Thomson
Jodi Jones also suspected Luke Mitchell had cheated on her with Laura Wightman
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Quote from: Chris_Halkides on Today at 02:34:44 AM
Exactly, not a theory at all. Well proven that the sisters stayed together frequently, week in and out. What "a mile apart" has to do with anything I have no idea. We also know that SK stayed over at the grans house with his girlfriend. LM also frequenting there and making it clear in the investigation that his girlfriend wore her sisters clothing, on the day of the murder to be precise!
But and again, that abundance of lies put out, how do people even begin to sift through fact from fiction with proven liars. The elder sister as pointed out before, did not move away from home at 14yrs old, she moved from the grans house at this age to the new family home. Returning to her former home when she was all but 16 if not 16. Zero loss of contact, where it has been shown that the mother saw the gran, daughter, almost daily. All clarified and backed up in that thorough investigation into others, into SK and so forth.
And again, the lie that the t-shirt was never identified as belonging to the elder sister, shown to the witness at court to do just that - Limited case papers, not every statement, no access to the investigation, no court attendance, no full court transcripts - Very much why those lies are needed one would assume, that front and pretence at all times until exposed, on repeat.
Also as stated before, the strength of the evidence and not its weakness, that had a top QC failed to produce that doubt. The presence of another connected male, his DNA, where the enablers would have you believe by way of lying that the police handed the story on a plate to him - That continuous yarn that is spun, forever snaring themselves in that web of deceit.
Two other connected males in the vicinity - All fully investigated and eliminated. The enablers stating they were eliminated immediately, when they have absolutely no way of knowing this, more fallacy on a whim.
Still stating that LM cannot release his statement from the morning of July 1st, absolutely false. He chooses not to do so - Fact.
Whilst putting together that submission to the SCCRC, the knowledge held around that claimed identity of the mystery male, knowing for a fact it is a load of nonsense, you are correct Nicholas, they were still trying to place SK as possibly being that male whilst holding that information. Still spinning out that he was only alibied by his girlfriend, yet another blatant lie. Pulled up for the lie then claiming the statement of alibi had been "buried" - Crock of BS yet again.
Let’s hear a similar request from you for the statements of the search party three to be disclosed. Then we would truly see how was telling the truth about the changes in statements over the first weeks of the case. Not that you want that, do you? Then it would be plain to see the paucity and dishonesty of your narrative. The nakedness of the emperor would truly be exposed.
After watching a programme on the murder of Nicola Payne something struck me. Nicola on the night she disappeared walked around the same distance from her house to the house of her parents. On the way she was abducted. Within the hour when she had not arrived her frantic parents had begun to search the local area.
Contrast that with this case. Jodi had allegedly left home around 4.50 to meet Luke. Her mother believed that she was staying in Easthouses and accordingly that Luke was meeting her at the top of the path. It would have taken minutes for her to walk that distance. Yet when Luke phoned the house at 5.40 there was no reaction to her not having met him when she should have, around 50 minutes earlier. We know Ovens passed on the details of the phone call to Jodi’s mother yet none of the two reacted to the fact that Jodi was not yet with Luke . 50 minutes after leaving on a walk that should have taken less than 5 minutes there was no sign of panic that Jodi hadn’t arrived. Why not? The usual excuse is they lost track of time. How? Ovens came in from work at around the time Jodi allegedly left. He would have known how long she’d been gone. Likewise her mother who seems to have had her eye on the clock while the lasagne was in the oven. Why no panic? Why no immediate search of the area?
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As did the girl he was cheating on Jodi with, Kimberley Thomson:
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
I’ve recently been told there were two Kimberley Thomson’s and that the above Kimberley Thomson is not the Kimberley Thomson who gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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It's common knowledge that a full complete genetic profile can be obtained from washed semen stains -- sometimes from materials that have been washed up to 4 or 5 times -- even from minute semen deposits. There is no doubt this was raised in court and clearly explained and clarified. It's obvious the semen stain in this case hadn't degraded to the extent that a full profile could not be obtained. The said profile had migrated to other areas of Jodi's clothing and body by rainwater diffusion -- this is common sense and was clarified in court. Jodi's naked body and clothing were left lying uncovered for a full 8 hours in a woodland strip where it had rained quite heavily during the early hours. Her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap by police, rather than bagged separately. Janine even said -- as LM himself had told police -- that Jodi borrowed her clothes sometimes. And Jodi and Janine were in regular contact with each other, where Janine visted Jodi at their mother's house and Jodi visited Janine at their gran's house, even staying there sometimes. The t-shirt from where the full profile, from semen, was obtained had been freshly washed/laundered (it smelled strongly of washing detergent). SK was alibied by his father and Janine, and the latter still alibies him in the present day even though they split up many years ago. Hope that makes sense.
Is it common knowledge? Could you please provide a sample of the peer reviewed research on the subject please?
Was the evidence surrounding Kelly’s semen stain clarified in court? Unfortunately I can’t find any mention that it was. Perhaps my google is faulty? Could you please post links to the information you have found?
If Janine at any time after giving Kelly a false alibi had retracted that alibi she could have faced a criminal charge herself. Much like the woman below.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/woman-jailed-after-providing-false-statement-to-court
His father would have faced similar treatment. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Corrine would have lied for her son but Kelly’s dad wouldn’t do similar to save him?
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I’ve recently been told there were two Kimberley Thomson’s and that the above Kimberley Thomson is not the Kimberley Thomson who gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Two Kimberley Thomsons? You don’t say. So not only was Luke collecting girlfriends who looked alike but also had the same name. Genius.
And I presume those other ‘victims’ weren’t called to give evidence either? Turnbull certainly missed a trick there.
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Two Kimberley Thomsons? You don’t say. So not only was Luke collecting girlfriends who looked alike but also had the same name. Genius.
And I presume those other ‘victims’ weren’t called to give evidence either? Turnbull certainly missed a trick there.
I’ve been told sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had “dated” an 11 year old Kimberley Thomson - who appears to have made the following post
As did the girl he was cheating on Jodi with, Kimberley Thomson:
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
I don’t know how old LM was at the time of his “relationship” with 11 year old Kimberley Thomson
Then there was 14 year old Kimberley Thomson who gave evidence during the trial
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I’ve been told sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had “dated” an 11 year old Kimberley Thomson - who appears to have made the following post
And I’ve been told that you’ve been had.
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And I presume those other ‘victims’ weren’t called to give evidence either? Turnbull certainly missed a trick there.
Her post mentioned CID, suggesting the police spoke to this other Kim also
As did the girl he was cheating on Jodi with, Kimberley Thomson:
(https://i.imgur.com/ISKF3qF.png)
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Her post mentioned CID, suggesting the police spoke to this other Kim also
And?
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Two Kimberley Thomsons?
Three Kimberley’s
14 year old and 11 year old K Thomson’s and a Kimberley Tait
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Three Kimberley’s
14 year old and 11 year old K Thomson’s and a Kimberley Tait
And the Thomson twins.
And?
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And?
You’ve suggested Alan Turnbull “missed a trick”
How so?
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And the Thomson twins.
And?
I recall the 11 year old KT being referred to on a previous Internet forum
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You’ve suggested Alan Turnbull “missed a trick”
How so?
Well he had all this alleged corroborating evidence of Luke’s violence towards girls and yet used none of it.
That’s what I call missing a trick.
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I recall the 11 year old KT being referred to on a previous Internet forum
I’ve heard the Loch Ness monster being referred to on an internet forum. Does that make her real?
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Is it common knowledge? Could you please provide a sample of the peer reviewed research on the subject please?
Was the evidence surrounding Kelly’s semen stain clarified in court? Unfortunately I can’t find any mention that it was. Perhaps my google is faulty? Could you please post links to the information you have found?
If Janine at any time after giving Kelly a false alibi had retracted that alibi she could have faced a criminal charge herself. Much like the woman below.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/woman-jailed-after-providing-false-statement-to-court
His father would have faced similar treatment. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Corrine would have lied for her son but Kelly’s dad wouldn’t do similar to save him?
Sorry, FL, but you are clearly clutching at straws. Far be it from me to discuss the intricacies of dna, but what I said upthread doesn't require verification; it's elementary. I've given my opinion many times on here as to why I think LM was found guilty. Let's start with the fact that he was the only person she had arranged to meet with that evening. Then there's the very substantial and weighty circumstancial evidence that followed.
One of your more valid arguments -- and I too have raised this before on here -- is the issue of Luke's mobile phone and the lack of DNA on it. However, he likely had more than one mobile phone and transferred the sim cards about. Or perhaps, quite simply, it never got damaged during the attack (that long parka with all the pockets, and so on). Maybe he was wearing gloves, too.
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Does that make her real?
I recall the younger of the two Kimberley Thomson’s being referred to on another Internet forum discussing killer Luke Mitchell
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Sorry, FL, but you are clearly clutching at straws. Far be it from me to discuss the intracacies of dna, but what I said upthread doesn't require verification; it's elementary. I've given my opinion many times on here as to why I think LM was found guilty. Let's start with the fact that he was the only person she had arranged to meet with that evening. Then there's the very substantial and weighty circumstancial evidence that followed.
One of your more valid arguments -- and I too have raised this before on here -- is the issue of Luke's mobile phone and the lack of DNA on it. However, he likely had more than one mobile phone and transferred the sim cards about. Or perhaps, quite simply, it never got damaged during the attack (that long parka with all the pockets, and so on). Maybe he was wearing gloves, too.
I’m afraid that it’s you who is clutching at straws MA. You have failed to provide any cites to support your opinion. No reports from court of the events surrounding the deposit of Kelly’s semen stain on Jodi’s body yet you’re sure that it happened. No research mentioned that you have read re: the circumstances in which a semen stain can remain on clothing after it is washed. Absolutely nothing. You simply believe that it took place because it should have.
You state that one of the reasons that you think Luke guilty is because he was the only one who had arranged to meet Jodi. Can you only be murdered by someone you’ve arranged to meet? Did Sarah Everad arrange to meet Wayne Couzens or Sabina Nessa Koci Selamaj? No of course not and yet they were murdered by them. Many murder victims fail to turn up at meetings they’ve arranged. That doesn’t automatically put the people they were to meet in the frame. I really can’t believe that I have to explain this to you.
Again your last paragraph shows your obvious bias against Luke and your need to fit non existent evidence into the narrative to support your opinion. There was never any evidence that Luke had another phone or other sim cards and no evidence that gloves were used. Of course you can believe anything you like, it’s allegedly a democracy after all, but please don’t pretend that your musings are in any way proof of Luke’s guilt.
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I recall the younger of the two Kimberley Thomson’s being referred to on another Internet forum discussing killer Luke Mitchell
Stop it! My sides hurt !!!
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No research mentioned that you have read re: the circumstances in which a semen stain can remain on clothing after it is washed.
https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
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Stop it! My sides hurt !!!
It would have been in/around 2010
Interesting how this younger KT doesn’t get mentioned like she used to
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https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
“ However, an in-depth examination at the possibility of obtaining genetic profiles from items of clothing after being washed among semen-stained items is still lacking.”
Do you have the whole research paper?
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https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
“ However, an in-depth examination at the possibility of obtaining genetic profiles from items of clothing after being washed among semen-stained items is still lacking.”
Do you have the whole research paper?
https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
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I recall the younger of the two Kimberley Thomson’s being referred to on another Internet forum discussing killer Luke Mitchell
She was also referred to on this forum
A FORMER girlfriend of Luke Mitchell has told how he held a knife to her throat and threatened: "Dont move . . . or Ill gut you."
Just months before he stabbed Jodi Jones to death, Mitchell grabbed the girl and pressed his prized Swiss Army knife against the frightened 14-year-olds neck.
The terrifying incident was just one example of Mitchells aggressive and unpredictable behaviour which disturbed his friends.
The pretty 14-year-old, who dated Mitchell for about five months in 2003, told how the teenage killer pounced on her in a community hall in the Dalkeith area.
The girl - who asked to remain anonymous - was walking alone through the hall, where the pair attended a youth club together, when he grabbed her from behind. He held the knife to her throat as he dragged her into a side room.
"I didnt know if he was joking around or not to begin with," she said. "He said: Dont move or Ill gut you. At first I thought he was just mucking about, but then I started to feel threatened.
"I was sore round my neck, it was bright red afterwards. He had grabbed me round the neck with his arm and held the knife at my throat, saying he was going to cut me and stuff like that.
"I was nipping his arm to get him off me and after a couple of minutes he let me go. I went outside and just tried to ignore him, but then he came out as if it was all a laugh and said sorry.
"There was no reason for him to do it. He just pulled the knife from his pocket and grabbed me. I thought it was really strange."
Soon after the incident, in May, 2003, the girl ended the fledgling relationship - just a month before Mitchell killed Jodi.
She broke things off after increasingly seeing a darker side to his personality. The final straw came when a friend told her Mitchell was seeing another girl - who she is now sure was Jodi.
It now appears Mitchell was seeing at least three different girls at the same time. The murder trial jury heard that the teenage killer had also been seeing Kim Thomson, a 15-year-old from Kenmore, Perthshire, who looked strikingly like Jodi.
Mitchell had stayed in touch with Kim, who considered him as her boyfriend, after meeting her on holiday in the summer of 2002.
The ex-girlfriend who Mitchell threatened with a knife told the Evening News she had initially found him charming, attractive and "basically a nice bloke".
The pair were both 14 and went to the same youth club.
"When I first saw him, everybody in the room was chatting and we started talking - asking whats your name? and that sort of thing," she said.
"We got each others phone numbers and started texting each other quite a lot. He was good-looking and I liked talking to him. I thought he was really nice."
The teenager followed the same goth-style fashion as Mitchell at the time, but shrugged it off as a fad and changed her image as she got older. She said they had got on well for a while, but then things had started to change.
"He sometimes showed a side that wasnt him. He was quite aggressive to me and to other people," she added.
"He was really bad-tempered and he was totally unpredictable. He didnt want to be told what to do. I knew he carried weapons with him and he had a Swiss Army knife. I did wonder why he had it, but I never questioned him at all."
The ex-girlfriend said shed had little contact with Mitchell since they broke up, but that he had threatened her friends when he saw them in the street.
She added: "When I heard he was a suspect I knew he must have been going out with Jodi when he was seeing me.
"I was really upset when I heard what he was supposed to have done.
"At first, I never thought he could have done it. But, as all the stuff started to come together, I started to think it was possible, that he could do this, because of the way he acted and what hed done to me."
The full article contains 759 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
Last Updated: 21 January 2005 2:52 PM
By Chris Mooney
She was 11 not 14
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Thora Allan
‘Hi everyone, here's a copy of our updated rules.’’
The same Thora Allan who falsely claimed Jane Hamilton set a ‘honey trap’ for LM - even though she wasn’t at the DR back in 2014 when a journalist was meant to have written to him posing as a teenager
*&^^&
It was Dan Warburton who wrote to killer Luke Mitchell
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I recall the younger of the two Kimberley Thomson’s being referred to on another Internet forum discussing killer Luke Mitchell
She was also referred to on this forum
A FORMER girlfriend of Luke Mitchell has told how he held a knife to her throat and threatened: "Dont move . . . or Ill gut you."
Just months before he stabbed Jodi Jones to death, Mitchell grabbed the girl and pressed his prized Swiss Army knife against the frightened 14-year-olds neck.
The terrifying incident was just one example of Mitchells aggressive and unpredictable behaviour which disturbed his friends.
The pretty 14-year-old, who dated Mitchell for about five months in 2003, told how the teenage killer pounced on her in a community hall in the Dalkeith area.
The girl - who asked to remain anonymous - was walking alone through the hall, where the pair attended a youth club together, when he grabbed her from behind. He held the knife to her throat as he dragged her into a side room.
"I didnt know if he was joking around or not to begin with," she said. "He said: Dont move or Ill gut you. At first I thought he was just mucking about, but then I started to feel threatened.
"I was sore round my neck, it was bright red afterwards. He had grabbed me round the neck with his arm and held the knife at my throat, saying he was going to cut me and stuff like that.
"I was nipping his arm to get him off me and after a couple of minutes he let me go. I went outside and just tried to ignore him, but then he came out as if it was all a laugh and said sorry.
"There was no reason for him to do it. He just pulled the knife from his pocket and grabbed me. I thought it was really strange."
Soon after the incident, in May, 2003, the girl ended the fledgling relationship - just a month before Mitchell killed Jodi.
She broke things off after increasingly seeing a darker side to his personality. The final straw came when a friend told her Mitchell was seeing another girl - who she is now sure was Jodi.
It now appears Mitchell was seeing at least three different girls at the same time.[/b] The murder trial jury heard that the teenage killer had also been seeing Kim Thomson, a 15-year-old from Kenmore, Perthshire, who looked strikingly like Jodi.
Mitchell had stayed in touch with Kim, who considered him as her boyfriend, after meeting her on holiday in the summer of 2002.
The ex-girlfriend who Mitchell threatened with a knife told the Evening News she had initially found him charming, attractive and "basically a nice bloke".
The pair were both 14 and went to the same youth club.
"When I first saw him, everybody in the room was chatting and we started talking - asking whats your name? and that sort of thing," she said.
"We got each others phone numbers and started texting each other quite a lot. He was good-looking and I liked talking to him. I thought he was really nice."
The teenager followed the same goth-style fashion as Mitchell at the time, but shrugged it off as a fad and changed her image as she got older. She said they had got on well for a while, but then things had started to change.
"He sometimes showed a side that wasnt him. He was quite aggressive to me and to other people," she added.
"He was really bad-tempered and he was totally unpredictable. He didnt want to be told what to do. I knew he carried weapons with him and he had a Swiss Army knife. I did wonder why he had it, but I never questioned him at all."
The ex-girlfriend said shed had little contact with Mitchell since they broke up, but that he had threatened her friends when he saw them in the street.
She added: "When I heard he was a suspect I knew he must have been going out with Jodi when he was seeing me.
"I was really upset when I heard what he was supposed to have done.
"At first, I never thought he could have done it. But, as all the stuff started to come together, I started to think it was possible, that he could do this, because of the way he acted and what hed done to me."
The full article contains 759 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
Last Updated: 21 January 2005 2:52 PM
By Chris Mooney
She was 11 not 14
Luke had a type. Nothing sinister in that. There was plans for the Mitchells to go to the town where KT lived, a place where they had gone on holiday before. Those plans were cancelled...KT said as much in court. Luke hadn’t seen KT since Valentine’s Day...I believe before he started going out with Jodi. Luke had made no effort to visit KT since then even though it would have been quite simple to do so. There was texts and phone calls but what really didn’t they amount to but the dying embers of a holiday romance that Luke had failed thus far to end.
What was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s “type” then 🙄
11 year olds?
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That whilst these young girls may have been caught up in the first flourishes of young love - LM most definitely was not. Clearly fooling around with other girls, and was in tow with other girls barely any time after Jodi's death. And it is clear that there was every chance that Jodi had found out about this relationship and confronted him. And we know that LM did not like confrontation - therefore more that feasible that he flew into a rage and lashed out at Jodi that day, due to this. Her extracts and complete infatuation with this boy, only show more so of how upset she would have been upon discovering him cheating?
Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends
Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Thomson 11
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman
Gemma Chapman
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Stop it! My sides hurt !!!
Because there’s no evidence that there was another Kim.
There were two other Kim’s
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 22nd August 2019
The girl lived in Kenmore, which is, in fact, over two hours' drive from Newbattle, where Luke lived (for some reason, having been there many times in my younger days, I thought it was just over an hour away).
Luke still spoke with her on the phone, but they had not been together physically since New Year 2003 - he and Jodi got together around the end of March, beginning of April that year.
There was no evidence that Jodi knew about Luke's previous relationship with her and an intended holiday to Kenmore in the summer of 2003 had been cancelled by Corinne prior to Jodi's death - Luke and Jodi were supposed to be at a sleepover in Midlothian the weekend after the murder to celebrate a friend's birthday.
The judge said, at Luke's sentencing, Jodi left "joyfully" to meet him that evening. Her mother said Jodi was "chuffed" to be getting out to see Luke. Jodi indicated in her diary that she would be devastated if Luke finished with her - it seems reasonable to assume she'd be equally distraught if she found out Luke was cheating on her, yet there were no signs of her being disturbed or upset in any way on the afternoon of June 30th, before she left home.
The theory about Jodi finding out about the other girlfriend and the ensuing fight getting out of hand was dreamed up by SIO Dobbie, but the interrogating officer in the Section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 (six weeks after the murder) was trying to suggest that Luke killed Jodi in a fit of jealousy that she might be cheating on him (even though, again, there was no evidence to support such a suggestion).
So, if Luke was cheating on Jodi and she found out, what reason would there be for Luke to kill her? It's not as if they were an adult married couple where Luke potentially stood to lose property, business, money etc in a messy divorce settlement - they were 14 years old. He wouldn't have suffered any of the more extreme emotions - betrayal, devastation, etc, because he was the one doing the cheating in this scenario.
In my opinion, the only way this theory is even remotely credible is if it was the other way around and Luke discovered Jodi was cheating on him. Even then, it's very, very unlikely
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=4
There was more than one “other girlfriend”
What exactly did this “interrogating officer” say to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in the section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 about Jodi Jones allegedly “cheating” on him?
Was “Butch” mentioned?
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https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
Noel S et al., Forensic Science International: Genetics 23 (2016) 240–247
"For each of the seven bed sheet experiments, a 1 cm2 cutting from the front of one randomly selected pair of underwear was tested for the presence of seminal fluid using the Brentamine Fast Blue B salt test (AP, Sigma-Aldrich) and the ABAcard1 p30 (PSA, Abacus)."
"AP and PSA testing in underwear washed with two, six or ten ejaculates were all negative. These serological tests were also negative in control children’s underwear, even when a cutting produced a partial genetic profile within the sperm fraction. Positive presumptive testing with an associated male profile in the sperm fraction can thus generally be interpreted as an indication that semen was deposited directly onto the fabric rather than transferred during the wash."
The fast blue B salt test works as follows: Semen contains an enzyme called acid phosphatase (AP). When it hydrolyzes an artificial substrate a nucleophilic compound is released that attacks the diazonium group (the electrophile) of fast blue B. This creates a compound (a type of azo dye) that is purple colored, a positive result. The ABAcard p30 test uses antibodies to bind to a protein of 30,000 in molecular weight. It is a type of lateral diffusion immunoassay: https://projects.nfstc.org/workshops/resources/msds/linked%20documents/ABAcard%20p30%20Test%20for%20the%20Forensic%20Identification%20of%20Semen.pdf
Suzanna Ryan wrote (http://"https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141016185845-13967252-forensic-serology-old-but-not-forgotten"), "The possibility of transfer of sperm cells should be carefully considered, especially if the area where the sperm cell(s) are collected is: 1. AP negative (AP is an enzyme that loses its reactivity when exposed to water. If an item has been washed, sperm cells may still be present, but it is unlikely that the AP test would yield a positive result.)"
It is important to distinguish DNA profiling from the body fluid testing. The take-home message here is that neither test performed in the 2016 paper gave an indication that seminal fluid could be transferred from a sheet onto underwear. Sperm heads are a different matter.
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Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends
Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Thomson 11
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman
Gemma Chapman
Did Gemma Chapman also meet sadistic killer Luke Mitchell at the local youth club?
THE mother of Luke Mitchell's new girlfriend has sparked fury by allowing her daughter to visit him behind bars.
Twisted Mitchell, 16, who murdered and mutilated former girlfriend Jodi Jones when they were both just 14, has been seeing the teenager for months.
She sat in court alongside Mitchell's mother, Corinne, during his trial.
On Sunday, they visited him at Polmont Young Offenders Institute. The girl's dad drove her to Mitchell's house in Dalkeith, Midlothian, beforehand.
The 17-year-old cannot be identified because she is in full-time education.
Her mum is an administrative worker at a local primary school and helps run the local youth club.
She is also secretary of the community council, helps compile their newsletter and has fronted local campaigns.
Neighbours only discovered the girl's link to Mitchell when she was seen on TV leaving court.
One resident said: 'I can't believe she could be so stupid.
'It is beyond belief that any parent would allow their child to have anything to do with him.'
Another neighbour said: 'It is the talk of the village - no one can believe she'd be so stupid.
'Everyone knows teenagers can be outrageous but her parents should put a stop to this.'
Another local, a mum-of-two, said: 'She is a clever, sensible girl who has never been in any trouble.
'She is always polite and seems quite level-headed.
'Her family are popular and quite involved in the community, so it's very surprising.'
By Amy Devine
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+new+girlfriend+in+jail+visit+fury.-a0127892067
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The take-home message
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0025802419896935
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354139255_POSSIBILITIES_OF_SEMEN_STAIN_IDENTIFICATION_AFTER_CLOTHING_AND_BEDDING_WASHING_IN_INVESTIGATING_CASES_OF_SEXUAL_ASSAULT
https://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(18)30215-1/pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00085030.1996.10757042
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29857287/
https://forenscope.com/blog/new-research-on-evaluating-semen-stains-using-forensic-imaging-technology/
“Clothes needed to be washed several times in a hot wash before sperm could be reduced to a non-detectable level”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/6957777/Semen-stains-may-last-years
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Excerpt from page 169 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB
“The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.
Killer Luke Mitchell had last seen KT on 14th February 2003
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
Ergo Sandra Lean’s “six months” should have been four months
Why doesn’t scammer Sandra Lean comment on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends
And why at around 32:29 here https://youtu.be/iCsiViNiPGA?si=rDgnSPi0xDYhAanD does scammer Sandra Lean claim killer Luke Mitchell called Jodi Jones landline at 5:34pm
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Let’s hear a similar request from you for the statements of the search party three to be disclosed. Then we would truly see how was telling the truth about the changes in statements over the first weeks of the case. Not that you want that, do you? Then it would be plain to see the paucity and dishonesty of your narrative. The nakedness of the emperor would truly be exposed.
After watching a programme on the murder of Nicola Payne something struck me. Nicola on the night she disappeared walked around the same distance from her house to the house of her parents. On the way she was abducted. Within the hour when she had not arrived her frantic parents had begun to search the local area.
Contrast that with this case. Jodi had allegedly left home around 4.50 to meet Luke. Her mother believed that she was staying in Easthouses and accordingly that Luke was meeting her at the top of the path. It would have taken minutes for her to walk that distance. Yet when Luke phoned the house at 5.40 there was no reaction to her not having met him when she should have, around 50 minutes earlier. We know Ovens passed on the details of the phone call to Jodi’s mother yet none of the two reacted to the fact that Jodi was not yet with Luke . 50 minutes after leaving on a walk that should have taken less than 5 minutes there was no sign of panic that Jodi hadn’t arrived. Why not? The usual excuse is they lost track of time. How? Ovens came in from work at around the time Jodi allegedly left. He would have known how long she’d been gone. Likewise her mother who seems to have had her eye on the clock while the lasagne was in the oven. Why no panic? Why no immediate search of the area?
Are you really suggesting that Jodi’s mum was in on it from the get go? That’s not very kind of you is it?
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https://www.floridaforensicscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DNA-Transfer-During-Laundering-May-Yield-Complete-Genetic-Profiles.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508?
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497315300508?
The study linked above only covers DNA transfer. The authors wrote,"With respect to AP testing, previous research has consistently shown that semen-stained items of clothing laundered with detergent does not give a positive AP reaction [6], [7], [8], [9], so AP testing would not be appropriate when examining clothing washed after the deposition of semen." AP is an abbreviation for the enzyme acid phosphatase. This is a presumptive test for semen:
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/ocme/downloads/pdf/technical-manuals/forensic-biology-technical-manuals/acid_phosphatase_062016.pdf (https://www.nyc.gov/assets/ocme/downloads/pdf/technical-manuals/forensic-biology-technical-manuals/acid_phosphatase_062016.pdf)
"The Retention and Transfer of Spermatozoa in Clothing by Machine Washing" Kafarowski E et al., Canadian Society of Forensic Science Journal 1996 29(1):7-11.
This article was linked above. A portion of the abstract stated, "Although there was no visible staining or acid phosphatase activity, significant numbers of spermatozoa were retained in the original stain areas." Again, the problem for a hypothesis of transfer during laundering is how to explain semen stains, not how to explain DNA profiles.
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It will take some time to review the literature, but most of the studies I have seen so far deal with persistence of semen after washing, as opposed to transfer to a second garment. I found this: "As expected, none of the 30 pieces of laundered underwear tested positive for AP [acid phosphatase]. AP is a water-soluble molecule, and will likely be washed away." The citation is Farmen et al., Forensic Science International: Genetics Supplement Series 1 (2008) 418–420 doi:10.1016/j.fsigss.2007.10.218. Detergents generally denature enzymes such as AP, meaning that the biological activity of the enzyme is lost.
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I’m not sure how research carried out in 2015 can have played any part in ruling out a man whose semen had been found on a murder victim’s body in 2003.
Where is the research carried out before 2005 which the police must have relied on to come to the conclusions they did?
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Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends
Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Thomson 11
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman
Scammer Sandra Lean
“None of the available evidence supported either the claim that Luke was seeing another girl, or that Jodi set out that evening to confront him about it”(IB)
The police had evidence that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had been cheating on Jodi Jones from the start
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This is what fraudster Scott Forbes stated using another one of his aliases
Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
Perhaps they should have looked more at the victims background. Jodi was badly let down by those who should have cared the most. As someone said yesterday luke Mitchell was a normal 14 Yr old till he became involved with a dysfunctional family. I share that opinion
3:17 PM · Aug 31, 2023
https://twitter.com/JackieJohn6966/status/1697252248160764098
There was nothing “normal” about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour
He was attacking young girls with knives since at least the age of 12 years old
This timeline includes some of killer Luke Mitchell’s violent nature - from aged 7 leading up to when he committed his murder
TIMELINE Of Sadistic Teen Killer Killer Luke Mitchell’s Violent Nature From Aged 7 Leading Up To His Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?
Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.
Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?
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Judith Jones sent a text to killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm!
There was, and is, also evidence that Judith Jones attempted to telephone killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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What did Laura Wightman say about Corinne Mitchell smoking cannabis
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In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?
Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.
Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?
Occam’s razor MA… if you have two competing ideas to explain the same phenomenon, you should prefer the simpler one.
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell & his mother Corinne Mitchell orchestrated an interview with James Matthews for the day of Jodi Jones funeral, which was Wednesday the 3rd September 2003
Luke Mitchell gave a Sky News interview to James Matthews
on the very day that Jodi Jones was laid to rest.
On Thursday the 4th September 2003 sadistic killer Luke Mitchell called the police to his home after the “media circus” he had created, after choosing to do his Sky TV interview, and made a complaint to the police that he was the “victim of a media circus”
“Officers left after informing him there were no grounds for action.
Yesterday, police were again at Luke's home. An officer at the scene said: ``We are just here to keep the peace and tranquillity.''
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+SKIPS+JODI+SCHOOL+AGAIN%3b+Boy+goes+to+work+with+mum.-a0107420191
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Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly.
There is no evidence for this
4 or 5 times since end of March/early April 2003 to the 28th June 2003
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Do you have a full transcript of Ashley Coutts evidence heard during the trial?
Ashley Coutts said more than the words “yes” and “identical”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html
I’m sure you’ll be able to send it to me if I don’t. Won’t you?
The sister of Ashley Coutts mother's boyfriend lived with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell's father Philip Mitchell in Livingston and Ashleigh would sometimes visit Philip Mitchell’s house.
She may well have been the 11 year old girl killer Luke Mitchell also previously attacked with a knife
When he was 12, Mitchell had used a knife to threaten the daughter of a family who were guests in the Mitchell house. He had climbed onto her bed, held the knife to her throat and asked for a kiss.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-murderous-art-that-unmasked-a-cruel-killer-r27r3dvd8bt
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/glasgow-warriors-fans-will-need-some-convincing-that-danny-wilson-is-not-the-cut-price-option-1401861
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The sister of Ashley Coutts mother's boyfriend lived with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell's father Philip Mitchell in Livingston and Ashleigh would sometimes visit Philip Mitchell’s house.
She may well have been the 11 year old girl killer Luke Mitchell also previously attacked with a knife
When he was 12, Mitchell had used a knife to threaten the daughter of a family who were guests in the Mitchell house. He had climbed onto her bed, held the knife to her throat and asked for a kiss.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-murderous-art-that-unmasked-a-cruel-killer-r27r3dvd8bt
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/glasgow-warriors-fans-will-need-some-convincing-that-danny-wilson-is-not-the-cut-price-option-1401861
That’s just newspapers regurgitating the same nonsense. Where is the proof that she ever gave evidence in court?
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The sister of Ashley Coutts mother's boyfriend lived with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell's father Philip Mitchell in Livingston and Ashleigh would sometimes visit Philip Mitchell’s house.
She may well have been the 11 year old girl killer Luke Mitchell also previously attacked with a knife
When he was 12, Mitchell had used a knife to threaten the daughter of a family who were guests in the Mitchell house. He had climbed onto her bed, held the knife to her throat and asked for a kiss.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-murderous-art-that-unmasked-a-cruel-killer-r27r3dvd8bt
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/glasgow-warriors-fans-will-need-some-convincing-that-danny-wilson-is-not-the-cut-price-option-1401861
That’s just newspapers regurgitating the same nonsense. Where is the proof that she ever gave evidence in court?
Ashleigh Coutts gave evidence during the killers trial on 24th November 2004
TIMELINE of Sadistic Teen Killer Luke Mitchell’s Violent Nature From Aged 7, Leading Up To His Murder & Beyond
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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Furthermore, Corrine, while being an intelligent & independent woman, was not exactly a paragon of innocence. She indulged Luke, lied in order to get Luke a tattoo, had a short fuse, smoked cannabis herself and frequently drank (she had been drinking on the Monday evening and had to walk to the police station that night. Said the log burner wasn’t lit on that evening, but was refuted by her sons and neighbours.
There was pornographic material seized from sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom, along with the rats in a glass jar
Were these pornographic books also purchased by Corinne Mitchell for her underage son, similar to the underage tattoo and knives?
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Ashleigh Coutts gave evidence during the killers trial on 24th November 2004
TIMELINE of Sadistic Teen Killer Luke Mitchell’s Violent Nature From Aged 7, Leading Up To His Murder & Beyond
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
Yes she gave evidence about seeing a knife. Nothing more.
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Yes she gave evidence about seeing a knife. Nothing more.
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Scammer & Bare Faced Liar Sandra Lean & Her Keeping The Record Straight Nonsense About The Murderer & Sexual Deviants Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks, Including Kara, The 3 Kimberley’s & The Mystery Still Surrounding Laura Wightman (Part 271)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/01/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-bare-faced-liar-sandra-lean-her-keeping-the-record-straight-nonsense-about-the-murderer-sexual-deviants-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife/
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Sandra Lean claimed in her second innocence fraud book
10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40)
The court of appeal judgement stated (at para 11)
At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded. The appellant then telephoned Mrs Jones, informing her that he had not seen the deceased.
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Some of the content of the court of appeal judgement in places is as bad as actual, factual guilty killers Simon Hall’s
Scammer Sandra Lean introduced a 10:17pm telephone call from Judith Jones to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in her keeping the record straight nonsense of a video dated 1st May 2023
Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm
But the sadistic psychopath waited around 20 minutes before he telephoned Judith Jones
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Appears? What makes it ‘appear’ that he did that?
Why did the sadistic killer Luke Mitchell wait around 20 minutes before telephoning Judith Jones after her 10:20pm text message?
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Excerpt from page 169 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book IB
“The only evidence that Kimberley Thomson was Luke’s “other girlfriend” was her own evidence that she “thought of herself as” or “believed herself to be” Luke’s girlfriend, even though, by the time Jodi was murdered, Kimberley had not seen Luke for six months.
Sandra Lean is an abusive innocence fraudster!
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/01/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-bare-faced-liar-sandra-lean-her-keeping-the-record-straight-nonsense-about-the-murderer-sexual-deviants-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife/
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Scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes published books
Sandra Lean’s book states on it that it was published by NGU books
Scott Forbes states on his Viva Angelina publishing
Does anyone have anymore information on NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing?
Is this another of their scams?
NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing - who do you think they lead back to
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Why didn’t Laura Martin for the guardian report the fact Laura W had become sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s girlfriend by the time of her “best friends” funeral?
“Many of Mitchell's friends maintain his innocence. Laura Wightman, who was Jodi's best friend and is close to Mitchell, said she thought the wrong person had been convicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/23/ukcrime.lornamartin
Did Laura Wightman really say this?
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Judith Jones - "Thank goodness they [police] didn't find out about Joseph's illness" 🤔
@PoliceScotland
why did she not want you to find out about [Name removed]'s illness 👇🤷♀️🤔
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11:38 AM · Aug 31, 2023
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1697197231206527369
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Judith Jones - "Thank goodness they [police] didn't find out about Joseph's illness" 🤔
@PoliceScotland
why did she not want you to find out about [Name removed]'s illness 👇🤷♀️🤔
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11:38 AM · Aug 31, 2023
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1697197231206527369
Scott Forbes as one of his aliases Jackie Johnston
Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
IMO it's worse than that the police had to know. The section for the assault weeks previous would have involved them. Well it should have. He was sectioned for a criminal offence.
11:55 AM · Aug 31, 2023
catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
I'm guessing it wasn't a "voluntary" section 🤔 if not, the police would have been involved especially for a criminal offence although the mental health rules are extremely murky 🤷♀️
11:59 AM · Aug 31, 2023
Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
Agreed. Just my experience that if people are terrified they call the police, the police get there & decide the person is "acting strange" & they call for MH assessment. Who knows tho in this case ...
12:06 PM · Aug 31, 2023
“…the police get there & decide the person is "acting strange" & they call for MH assessment”
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Lawyer Scott Forbes, as one of his aliases Jackie Johnston, claiming “he was sectioned for a criminal offence”
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Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
IMO it's worse than that the police had to know. The section for the assault weeks previous would have involved them. Well it should have. He was sectioned for a criminal offence.
11:55 AM · Aug 31, 2023
catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
I'm guessing it wasn't a "voluntary" section 🤔 if not, the police would have been involved especially for a criminal offence although the mental health rules are extremely murky 🤷♀️
11:59 AM · Aug 31, 2023
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Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
If I was searching for a "missing teenager" I'm thinking I'd have searched her known haunts first. Places she hang out ect. That's the "normal" thing to do! Ive had to go out looking for teenagers who didn't come in on time!
12:21 PM · Aug 31, 2023
Why did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell pretend to Judith Jones he was going to look along Roans Dyke path then
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Scott Forbes as his alias Jackie Johnston again
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Jackie Johnston
@JackieJohn6966
If I was searching for a "missing teenager" I'm thinking I'd have searched her known haunts first. Places she hang out ect. That's the "normal" thing to do! Ive had to go out looking for teenagers who didn't come in on time!
12:21 PM · Aug 31, 2023
Corinne Mitchell’s evidence in court was ”I kept trying to phone him as he was late and in trouble”
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Psychopathic Killer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell & The Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks Leading Up To His Murder; Including Laura Wightman, Kara & The 3 Kimberley’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
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Psychopathic Killer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell & The Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks Leading Up To His Murder; Including Laura Wightman, Kara & The 3 Kimberley’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and Laura Wightman “cheating” on Jodi Jones
“…Jodi approached both of them
They were both absolutely horrified
And reassured her that that was absolutely not the case”
Did Laura Wightman state in one of her witness statements that she was horrified Jodi Jones thought this?
Did Laura Wightman also say in one of her witness statements that she had reassured Jodi she wasn’t “cheating” on her with killer Luke?
Where has Sandra Lean got this from or did she make it up?
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell and Laura Wightman “cheating” on Jodi Jones
“…Jodi approached both of them
They were both absolutely horrified
And reassured her that that was absolutely not the case”
Did Laura Wightman state in one of her witness statements that she was horrified Jodi Jones thought this?
Did Laura Wightman also say in one of her witness statements that she had reassured Jodi she wasn’t “cheating” on her with killer Luke?
Where has Sandra Lean got this from or did she make it up?
There was no evidence from sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 14th August 2003 section 14 interview that he was “horrified” that Jodi Jones thought he was “cheating” on her with Laura Wightman
Plus by this point he was in an “intimate” relationship with Laura Wightman
When Laura Wightman was spoken to by the police again in September 2004, what exactly did she say about “cheating” on Jodi Jones with Luke Mitchell?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from IB, page 169
“But Jodi’s diaries indicated that she would have been devastated if Luke had finished with her, so it has to be assumed she would have been equally distraught if she had found out he was cheating on her.
What any of this had to do with claims that Luke murdered Jodi is anyone’s guess.
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Psychopathic Killer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell & The Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks Leading Up To His Murder; Including Laura Wightman, Kara & The 3 Kimberley’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
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Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from IB, page 170
“The police investigators appear to have lost sight of the fact that they were dealing with young teenagers whose relationships are often fickle and fleeting.
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Psychopathic Killer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell & The Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks Leading Up To His Murder; Including Laura Wightman, Kara & The 3 Kimberley’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
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Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from IB, page 170
“Cell site analysis, as well as refuting or confirming claims that Luke travelled from Newbattle to Easthouses and back could have confirmed the movements of all of the others as well – assuming, of course, the correct phones could be connected to the correct people. Although in 2003 it may not have been possible to pinpoint precise places (as it still is not in 2018) there were two particular phone masts in the area which demonstrated movement from east to west – I know this because I walked the path with a friend (who had technical expertise that I did not), who set the phone to display which mast it was communicating with.
A little over halfway down the path, it swapped from one mast to the other.
Did/does it?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from IB, page 170
“Cell site analysis, as well as refuting or confirming claims that Luke travelled from Newbattle to Easthouses and back could have confirmed the movements of all of the others as well – assuming, of course, the correct phones could be connected to the correct people. Although in 2003 it may not have been possible to pinpoint precise places (as it still is not in 2018) there were two particular phone masts in the area which demonstrated movement from east to west – I know this because I walked the path with a friend (who had technical expertise that I did not), who set the phone to display which mast it was communicating with.
A little over halfway down the path, it swapped from one mast to the other.
Did/does it?
Scammer Sandra Lean - from IB, continued from above
“There was no need for any enormously technical data or analysis – if everyone who said they were in Easthouses or Mayfield was, indeed, there, the phones would not have connected at any point to the other mast and the same would be true of anyone who was in Newbattle the whole evening.
While I accept that sometimes, signals will “bounce” to the next avail- able mast during busy periods, there was a very small timeframe of interest to the investigation and the most important evidence - that of the movements of individuals - could have been confirmed.
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This is totally bonkers
by Sandra Lean from IB, page 174
“Perhaps one of the most disturbing discoveries I made early in this work involved the true nature of police investigations. Like so many others, I’d always believed the process of a police investigation resembled the building of a jigsaw puzzle – pieces were found and carefully fitted together until a picture began to emerge. From that emerging picture,
it would be clear where pieces were missing, or if pieces were in the wrong place, or even if there were some pieces that did not fit the picture at all (and may provide a separate, but related picture). That way, I believed, investigators could make reasonable assumptions about what might have happened, who might be responsible and who was not.
Scammer Sandra Lean has never, ever been privy to the police investigation
All she’s ever had are some used case files from the trial
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This is totally bonkers
by Sandra Lean from IB, page 174
“Perhaps one of the most disturbing discoveries I made early in this work involved the true nature of police investigations. Like so many others, I’d always believed the process of a police investigation resembled the building of a jigsaw puzzle – pieces were found and carefully fitted together until a picture began to emerge. From that emerging picture,
it would be clear where pieces were missing, or if pieces were in the wrong place, or even if there were some pieces that did not fit the picture at all (and may provide a separate, but related picture). That way, I believed, investigators could make reasonable assumptions about what might have happened, who might be responsible and who was not.
Scammer Sandra Lean has never, ever been privy to the police investigation
All she’s ever had are some used case files from the trial
Further from scammer Sandra Lean (from IB, page 174)
“Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle can’t be fitted together in a number of different ways to create “alternative” pictures.
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Only someone like fraudster Sandra Lean would compare a police investigation to a “jigsaw puzzle”
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Further from scammer Sandra Lean (from IB, page 174)
“Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle can’t be fitted together in a number of different ways to create “alternative” pictures.
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Only someone like fraudster Sandra Lean would compare a police investigation to a “jigsaw puzzle”
More from scammer Sandra Lean
”Most people simply do not know that the process is nothing like the jigsaw puzzle process.
Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle can’t be fitted together in a number of different ways to create “alternative” pictures. Nor can a jigsaw puzzle be made to look complete if a significant number of pieces are left in the box. The finished picture can’t be made to look like something else – something decided before the puzzle has even begun to be put together.
The truth, I discovered, in too many cases, is that the investigation process is much more akin to children’s building blocks.
But a widespread belief in police investigations resembling the piecing together of a jigsaw puzzle keeps the public believing that it would be “obvious” if the final picture presented was incomplete, wrongly constructed, or looked nothing like the case being presented in court.
From “jigsaw puzzles” to “children’s building blocks”
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More from scammer Sandra Lean (from IB, page 174)
“But what the jury and the public will never know is how many blocks were left in the box once that model was built.
Like sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s numerous knife threats and attacks on all the other girls he targeted, similar to Jodi Jones - leading up tho his murder
Psychopathic Killer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell & The Numerous Other Targeted Girlfriends & Knife Attacks Leading Up To His Murder; Including Laura Wightman, Kara & The 3 Kimberley’s
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
Why weren’t the jury told about killer Luke Mitchell’s numerous knife attacks on all the girls he targeted leading up to his murder then Sandra Lean
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More from scammer Sandra Lean (from IB, page 174)
“But what the jury and the public will never know is how many blocks were left in the box once that model was built.
Like sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s numerous knife threats and attacks on all the other girls he targeted, similar to Jodi Jones - leading up tho his murder
Why weren’t the jury told about killer Luke Mitchell’s numerous knife attacks on all the girls he targeted leading up to his murder then Sandra Lean
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What’s the real story behind Laura Wightman discovering sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had bought another skunting knife (or his mother had bought it) to replace the one he disposed of when he committed his murder?
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What’s the real story behind Laura Wightman discovering sadistic killer Luke Mitchell had bought another skunting knife (or his mother had bought it) to replace the one he disposed of when he committed his murder?
What exactly happened between killer Luke Mitchell & Laura Wightman when she apparently “went radge”
A ‘radge’ is a person who consistently acts in a noticeably crazy or angry way
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What exactly happened between killer Luke Mitchell & Laura Wightman when she apparently “went radge”
A ‘radge’ is a person who consistently acts in a noticeably crazy or angry way
What exactly happened when Laura Wightman “went radge” at killer Luke Mitchell and was this witnessed by anyone else?
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What exactly happened when Laura Wightman “went radge” at killer Luke Mitchell and was this witnessed by anyone else?
Did Jodi Jones and killer Luke Mitchell argue about Laura Wightman on the day he murdered her?
Had Jodi Jones finally sussed Luke Mitchell out and called him out on his deception?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB page 175
“In this particular case, a crime scene was created on the evening of June 30th 2003. According to Lothian and Borders Police, the crime of murder occurred at 5.15pm
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No - it wasn’t!
“The crime of murder” was said to have occurred from 5:00pm
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB page 175
“In this particular case, a crime scene was created on the evening of June 30th 2003. According to Lothian and Borders Police, the crime of murder occurred at 5.15pm
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No - it wasn’t!
“The crime of murder” was said to have occurred from 5:00pm
5:00pm was the time Leonard Kelly said he heard those noises behind the wall
Why haven’t you told the people you are choosing to dupe what happened when Leonard Kelly first telephoned the police on the morning of the 1st July 2003 Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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When he was 12, Mitchell had used a knife to threaten the daughter of a family who were guests in the Mitchell house. He had climbed onto her bed, held the knife to her throat and asked for a kiss.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-murderous-art-that-unmasked-a-cruel-killer-r27r3dvd8bt
That’s just newspapers regurgitating the same nonsense. Where is the proof that she ever gave evidence in court?
How many 11 year old girls stayed over in the bedroom of Philip Mitchell’s house in Livingston?
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/
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When he was 12, Mitchell had used a knife to threaten the daughter of a family who were guests in the Mitchell house. He had climbed onto her bed, held the knife to her throat and asked for a kiss.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-murderous-art-that-unmasked-a-cruel-killer-r27r3dvd8bt
Was this 👇the same girl mentioned above or another girl?
"When he was 12 he threatened his then girlfriend with a knife because she refused to have sex with him.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/natural-born-killer-1-1401861
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5:00pm was the time Leonard Kelly said he heard those noises behind the wall
Why haven’t you told the people you are choosing to dupe what happened when Leonard Kelly first telephoned the police on the morning of the 1st July 2003 Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
Kelly said something completely different in his first statement that the testimony he gave in court. Findlay pointed out the discrepancy to him.
“ Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder.
He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'
"Why did you not describe it as a strangling noise?"
Mr Kelly replied: "I can only put it down to nerves at the time."
Perhaps Mr Kelly’s downward spiral owed more to his contribution in ruining a young man’s life than anything else?
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5:00pm was the time Leonard Kelly said he heard those noises behind the wall
Why haven’t you told the people you are choosing to dupe what happened when Leonard Kelly first telephoned the police on the morning of the 1st July 2003 Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
Kelly said something completely different in his first statement that the testimony he gave in court. Findlay pointed out the discrepancy to him.
“ Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder.
He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'
"Why did you not describe it as a strangling noise?"
Mr Kelly replied: "I can only put it down to nerves at the time."
“Nerves at the time” he gave his police witness statement
What did the other witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence say during the trial?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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“Nerves at the time” he gave his police witness statement
What did the other witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence say during the trial?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
More than 100 witnesses gave evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
The media and scammer Sandra Lean only ever referred to a third of those witnesses at most
There is a mass of evidence missing from the warped narrative in the public domain
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5:00pm was the time Leonard Kelly said he heard those noises behind the wall
Why haven’t you told the people you are choosing to dupe what happened when Leonard Kelly first telephoned the police on the morning of the 1st July 2003 Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
That's really interesting -- and powerful -- reading about the cyclist witness Leonard Kelly. Where did you source this info from, Nicholas? Do you have a link?
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“Nerves at the time” he gave his police witness statement
What did the other witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence say during the trial?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
No other witnesses supported Kelly’s evidence.
Nerves? Why would he be nervous if he was telling the truth? I’ve heard that he was threatened with charges by the police as he was so close to the murder site at the right time. Now that would make you nervous.
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That's really interesting -- and powerful -- reading about the cyclist witness Leonard Kelly. Where did you source this info from, Nicholas? Do you have a link?
Yes I’d be interested in that too.
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No other witnesses supported Kelly’s evidence.
I know of at least 3
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More than 100 witnesses gave evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Who’s missing from the following witness list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
What are the names of the missing 50 plus witnesses
“More than 100 witnesses are due to give evidence during the trial before Lord Nimmo Smith.
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Nerves? Why would he be nervous if he was telling the truth? I’ve heard that he was threatened with charges by the police as he was so close to the murder site at the right time. Now that would make you nervous.
Lol
Why do you choose to make things up John?
You obviously are not familiar with the back story to Leonard Kelly and his evidence
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I’ve heard that he was threatened with charges by the police as he was so close to the murder site at the right time. Now that would make you nervous.
Yet scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes don’t makes these false accusations
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No other witnesses supported Kelly’s evidence.
Again, at least 3 other witnesses supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence - which brings the witness list up to 56
What are the names of the other missing half from the scheduled witness list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
How many witnesses from FLIP in Edinburgh were called to give evidence about the replacement parka style jacket?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Around 100 Witnesses Gave Evidence During The Murderers Trial Yet The Mainstream Media Only Ever Reported on Around Half (Part 272)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
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No other witnesses supported Kelly’s evidence.
Again, at least 3 other witnesses did
Was Laura Wightman a defence witness? - or her evidence used in support of the killer?
Why hasn’t Laura Wightman come out in support of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell?
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What was the name of the Jones family police liaison officer and did they give evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
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I’ve heard that he was threatened with charges by the police as he was so close to the murder site at the right time
In reality - he received an apology from the police
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How many witnesses from FLIP in Edinburgh were called to give evidence about the replacement parka style jacket?
Did James Matthews from Sky TV give evidence?
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“Luke, who has been quizzed three times by murder squad detectives, was banned from attending Jodi's funeral on Wednesday by her family.
After refusing to comment on her death, he chose that time to give a TV interview in which he denied murdering her.
On Thursday, he called police to his home claiming he was the victim of a media circus.
Officers left after informing him there were no grounds for action.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/LUKE+SKIPS+JODI+SCHOOL+AGAIN%3b+Boy+goes+to+work+with+mum.-a0107420191
”The jury in the Jodi Jones murder trial has been shown a television interview in which her boyfriend Luke Mitchell denied murder.
The interview was recorded on the day of Jodi's funeral. Her family had asked Luke Mitchell not to attend.
Luke Mitchell, who gave the interview on 3 September last year, told the interviewer he had been asked by Jodi's family to stay away from the funeral.
He said: "That was a hard blow. I was dreading going to the funeral but I did want to go and being told not to go, due to the fact it will turn the funeral into a media circus, was bad.
"It would have been a media circus without me but if it's the family's wishes, that's what I was going to do."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4137755.stm
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Again, at least 3 other witnesses supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence - which brings the witness list up to 56
What are the names of the other missing half from the scheduled witness list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Alan Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
How many witnesses from FLIP in Edinburgh were called to give evidence about the replacement parka style jacket?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Around 100 Witnesses Gave Evidence During The Murderers Trial Yet The Mainstream Media Only Ever Reported on Around Half (Part 272)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
I think the FLO Michelle Lindsay had the receipt for it as she asked for it along with other receipts from shopping items on 08.07.03, so I don't think witnesses from Flip were necessary. However, I presume the police visited Flip to ask them if they had a record or recollection of a parka being purchased by any of the Mitchell family before 30.06.03? I also presume the police had checked the bank statements of LM's immediate family members to see if there were records of any jackets or clothing bought between 2002-2003? While we are talking about those jackets, I wonder if Luke & Corinne initially tried to hide the new parka from the FLO? I suspect they did, but knew it was too risky as she was watching them with great vigilance (and therefore why CM & DF referred to her as "a fox in the henhouse"). I believe the parka was bought on the 08.07.03 with the intention of it not being seen by the FLO and if they succeeded in doing that, then they weren't going to deny that LM had a parka before the murder, pretending this new parka was the one he had before the murder. Failing that, if the new parka was spotted by the FLO, which it thankfully was, they were obviously going to deny LM ever had one before the 30.06.03, which they did, and rely on no forensic evidence being found to incriminate LM (they knew there was a very good chance no forensic evidence would have been found as they'd destroyed all the clothes LM was wearing between 1640 & 1740) and rely on no eyewitnesses seeing him in the parka (thankfully, 3 people did). He'd surreptitiously changed into that bomber between 1740 and 1800 as he couldn't risk more eyewitnesses seeing him in the parka and no pedestrian witnesses noticing traces of blood on it when they walked by him from a close distance; he also changed into the bomber to try and nullify and confuse potential eyewitnesses who may have seen him in the parka between 1640 -1740. He was covering every angle that could be used against him. He showed great cunning, calmness and foresight for such a young lad, but he underestimated the police's perception and foresight
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I think the FLO Michelle Lindsay had the receipt for it as she asked for it along with other receipts from shopping items on 08.07.03, so I don't think witnesses from Flip were necessary.
Are you sure?
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However, I presume the police visited Flip to ask them if they had a record or recollection of a parka being purchased by any of the Mitchell family
Wasn’t it staff at FLIP who tipped off the police about killer Luke Mitchell buying a replacement parka?
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I wonder if Luke & Corinne initially tried to hide the new parka from the FLO? I suspect they did
Of course they did!
Was the replacement parka paid for with cash?
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(and therefore why CM & DF referred to her as "a fox in the henhouse")
If it was staff at FLIP who tipped the police off - which it most definitely appears to have been - how could Michelle Lindsay have been referred to as a fox or “vixen in the henhouse” ?
Do you not recall scammer Sandra Lean making reference to this in her keeping the record straight nonsense video?
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Failing that, if the new parka was spotted by the FLO
It was (Killer Luke Mitchell) “spotted” by staff in FLIP who tipped off the police
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I believe the parka was bought on the 08.07.03 with the intention of it not being seen by the FLO and if they succeeded in doing that, then they weren't going to deny that LM had a parka before the murder, pretending this new parka was the one he had before the murder.
Of course this was their intention
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(they knew there was a very good chance no forensic evidence would have been found as they'd destroyed all the clothes LM was wearing between 1640 & 1740) and rely on no eyewitnesses seeing him in the parka (thankfully, 3 people did). He'd surreptitiously changed into that bomber between 1740 and 1800 as he couldn't risk more eyewitnesses seeing him in the parka and no pedestrian witnesses noticing traces of blood on it when they walked by him from a close distance; he also changed into the bomber to try and nullify and confuse potential eyewitnesses who may have seen him in the parka between 1640 -1740. He was covering every angle that could be used against him. He showed great cunning, calmness and foresight for such a young lad, but he underestimated the police's perception and foresight
He most definitely was cunning, as can also be seen how he duped, conned and abused Laura Wightman
Then orchestrating that Sky TV interview after being told not to attend Jodi Jones funeral
Only to the make a complaint to the police the following day, after his victims funeral - in another early attempt to make himself appear to be a victim
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Are you sure?
I think I read it somewhere that CM herself said that she showed the FLO the receipt for the jacket purchased from Flip on 08.07.03. I'll need to go back and check.
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Wasn’t it staff at FLIP who tipped off the police about killer Luke Mitchell buying a replacement parka?
I'm not sure. I haven't read about that. Wasn't it the tattoo parlour that tipped the police off?
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If it was staff at FLIP who tipped the police off - which it most definitely appears to have been - how could Michelle Lindsay have been referred to as a fox or “vixen in the henhouse” ?
Do you not recall scammer Sandra Lean making reference to this in her keeping the record straight nonsense video?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police”
The public were asked to look out for people acting suspiciously
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I'm not sure. I haven't read about that. Wasn't it the tattoo parlour that tipped the police off?
FLIP staff definitely tipped off the police
What They Found also referred to this fact at around 27:58 in their Luke Mitchell, teen killer! video here https://youtu.be/OcedqPxuR9k?si=NViMpZrvoJzEswKB
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police”
The public were asked to look out for people acting suspiciously
Was it killer Luke Mitchell who paid for the replacement parka or Corinne Mitchell?
What was the actual evidence from the staff at FLIP?
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Was it killer Luke Mitchell who paid for the replacement parka or Corinne Mitchell?
What was the actual evidence from the staff at FLIP?
The Herald stated;
“The jury also heard that Mrs Mitchell bought her son a German Parka jacket from Flip, in Edinburgh, soon after the murder”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408758.warning-over-perjury-for-mother-in-jodi-murder-trial-jury-hears-questions-over-knife-bought-for-camping-trip/
When exactly did the jury hear about the German Parka from Flip and what exactly was said about it’s purchase?
How was the jacket paid for and who went up to the till to pay for it?
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I think I read it somewhere that CM herself said that she showed the FLO the receipt for the jacket purchased from Flip on 08.07.03. I'll need to go back and check.
Corinne Mitchell was lying!
FLIP staff tipped off the police about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell buying the replacement parka
What was Michelle Lindsay’s evidence regarding the replacement parka?
And again what was the evidence of FLIP staff?
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What was the name of this defence witness?
Were they a colleague of Nigel Beaumont?
Ground 12
[21] The final ground of appeal which the single judge held not to be arguable concerns certain information about a possible connection between a defence witness and one of the jurors. The witness, who was an employee of the firm of solicitors acting for the applicant, gave in the course of the trial uncontroversial evidence about times taken to walk along a route from the applicant's home to certain points of significance and to run back part of the way. According to the grounds of appeal the witness subsequently informed her employers that
"she would be known to [the juror] and that there was reason to believe that [the juror] would be hostile to both her and her sister. It is believed that [the juror] may believe that [the witness's] sister caused her to lose her employment in recent times. It is submitted that [the juror] ought to have brought this matter to the attention of the court as she was well aware she was obliged to".
[22] Mr Findlay hardly submitted that this was an arguable ground of appeal. In effect he simply drew the circumstances to the court's attention against the possibility that it might regard them as suitable, in the course of the appeal, for the carrying out of further inquiry.
[23] In our view there is no basis for any such inquiry nor consequentially for allowing this ground to go forward. The witness gave uncontroversial evidence: she was not cross examined by the Advocate Depute. The substance of what she spoke to had already been the subject of testimony by other witnesses. The jury, prior to this witness giving evidence, had made an accompanied site visit to the locus and can have found nothing surprising in her evidence. There is no reason to suppose that the juror recognised the witness nor, even if she did, that that recognition impinged to any extent upon her approach to the evidence at the trial. This ground of appeal is in itself unarguable and is not rendered arguable by being taken in conjunction with any other ground of appeal. No cause has been shown for granting leave to argue it.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8a928aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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What was the name of this defence witness?
Were they a colleague of Nigel Beaumont?
[21]…The witness, who was an employee of the firm of solicitors acting for the applicant, gave in the course of the trial uncontroversial evidence about times taken to walk along a route from the applicant's home to certain points of significance and to run back part of the way….
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8a928aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did the mainstream media also not report on this witness and their evidence?
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I think I read it somewhere that CM herself said that she showed the FLO the receipt for the jacket purchased from Flip on 08.07.03. I'll need to go back and check.
Corinne Mitchell lied and made out Michelle Lindsay was waiting for her and her killer son Luke Mitchell when they got back from shopping
However scammer Sandra Lean confirmed in her 2nd innocence fraud IB, page 223 that Corinne was lying again
“FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
The replacement parka was bought from FLIP on the 8th July 2003 NOT the 9th
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB, page 262
“It was not just Michelle Lindsay, later referred to at appeal by Donald Findlay as a “vixen in the henhouse,” who was planted in the Mitchell home in attempts to obtain information.
Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial.
Who were the two 14 year olds?
Laura Wightman and who else?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB, page 262
“It was not just Michelle Lindsay, later referred to at appeal by Donald Findlay as a “vixen in the henhouse,” who was planted in the Mitchell home in attempts to obtain information.
Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial.
Who were the two 14 year olds?
Laura Wightman and who else?
Why didn’t mainstream media report on these two “planted” 14 year olds and what they said at the time of the trial?
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Corinne Mitchell was lying!
Corinne Mitchell also lied about how long her killer son Luke Mitchell was in a relationship with Jodi Jones
She told James English it was “about 5 months”
In reality it was less than 3 months
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Corinne Mitchell lied and made out Michelle Lindsay was waiting for her and her killer son Luke Mitchell when they got back from shopping
However scammer Sandra Lean confirmed in her 2nd innocence fraud IB, page 223 that Corinne was lying again
“FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
The replacement parka was bought from FLIP on the 8th July 2003 NOT the 9th
Corinne Mitchell can be heard telling another one of her fantastical stories about FLO Michelle Lindsay and the parka receipt at around 25:00 during the James English video
Corinne pretended Michelle Lindsay arrived at her house just before she left for Flip in Edinburgh with her killer son Luke Mitchell and then pretended that Michelle Lindsay was waiting for them both when they got back
This is yet more lies and nonsense
Again, FLIP staff tipped the police off that killer Luke had bought a replacement parka jacket on the 8th July 2003
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Lol
Why do you choose to make things up John?
You obviously are not familiar with the back story to Leonard Kelly and his evidence
Off you go then….educate me.
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Off you go then….educate me.
FL, can you shed some light on the staffmembers at Flip clothing store in Edinburgh allegedly tipping the police off about LM purchasing a green German army parka there in July '03? I hadn't heard anything about this until Nicholas's posts earlier this morning. Any ideas?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB, page 262
“It was not just Michelle Lindsay, later referred to at appeal by Donald Findlay as a “vixen in the henhouse,” who was planted in the Mitchell home in attempts to obtain information.
Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial.
Who were the two 14 year olds?
Laura Wightman and who else?
Laura Wightman
Was the other then 14 year old David High?
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FL, can you shed some light on the staffmembers at Flip clothing store in Edinburgh allegedly tipping the police off about LM purchasing a green German army parka there in July '03? I hadn't heard anything about this until Nicholas's posts earlier this morning. Any ideas?
Again, What They Found referred to this fact at around 27:58 in their Luke Mitchell, teen killer! video here https://youtu.be/OcedqPxuR9k?si=NViMpZrvoJzEswKB
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1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
There are over 40 people and their evidence missing from this list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
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What was the name of this defence witness?
Ground 12
[21]"she would be known to [the juror] and that there was reason to believe that [the juror] would be hostile to both her and her sister. It is believed that [the juror] may believe that [the witness's] sister caused her to lose her employment in recent times.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8a928aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Only recall one person claiming they lost their job but they weren’t on the jury
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"). I believe the parka was bought on the 08.07.03 with the intention of it not being seen by the FLO
So why did scammer Sandra Lean claim in her second innocence fraud book it was the 9th July 2003?
However scammer Sandra Lean confirmed in her 2nd innocence fraud IB, page 223 that Corinne was lying again
“FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
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Again, What They Found referred to this fact at around 27:58 in their Luke Mitchell, teen killer! video here https://youtu.be/OcedqPxuR9k?si=NViMpZrvoJzEswKB
I watched it earlier this morning. Who are 'What They Found'? And what/who is their source in regards to the Flip staffmembers evidence? I'm not saying they are lying about said evidence or that it lacks veracity, but I've read quite a lot on this case and had never heard about it until you alerted me to it earlier this morning.
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More bare faced lies from scammer Sandra Lean (IB, page 159)
“The police officer who took Luke’s phone from him in the car park was not wearing gloves and the phone was not securely packaged in a sterile environment – instead, the officer switched the phone back on to call Luke’s mum.
This 👆🏽goes against Corinne Mitchell’s evidence heard during the trial
Corinne Mitchell’s Evidence During Trial Was
“He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, ‘I can't tell you’, I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
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So why did scammer Sandra Lean claim in her second innocence fraud book it was the 9th July 2003?
Maybe it was July 9th '03 and I am mistaken. I don't think it matters wether it was bought on 8th or 9th, or any date in July; what matters is that it was bought soon after the murder.
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Maybe it was July 9th '03 and I am mistaken.
The replacement parka was bought from FLIP on the 8th July 2003
TIMELINE of Sadistic Teen Killer Luke Mitchell’s Violent Nature From Aged 7, Leading Up To His Murder & Beyond
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/26/innocence-fraud-killer-luke-mitchell-confidence-trickster-sandra-leans-psychological-manipulation-boiling-you-like-a-frog-part-168/
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And what/who is their source in regards to the Flip staffmembers evidence?
What/who is scammer Sandra Leans source that “the parka and other clothing was bought on 9th July”?
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Who are 'What They Found'? And what/who is their source in regards to the Flip staffmembers evidence?
Contact them and ask them https://twitter.com/WhatTheyF
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I'm not sure. I haven't read about that. Wasn't it the tattoo parlour that tipped the police off?
Where does it say the tattoo parlour tipped the police off, I don’t recall this
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police”
Why didn’t scammer Sandra Lean refer to this in her 2nd innocence fraud book?
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– instead, the officer switched the phone back on to call Luke’s mum.
How many times did killer Luke Mitchell turn his phone off on the evening of the 30th June 2003?
Corinne Mitchell stated she had kept trying to phone her killer son - who, if anyone, heard killer Luke Mitchell’s phone ring?
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FL, can you shed some light on the staffmembers at Flip clothing store in Edinburgh allegedly tipping the police off about LM purchasing a green German army parka there in July '03? I hadn't heard anything about this until Nicholas's posts earlier this morning. Any ideas?
I think Corrine gave the FLO early in the investigation the receipt for the parka jacket bought at Flip. The staff members at Flip may have latterly informed the police about the purchase of the jacket after Luke was seen wearing it in the media. Who knows? I have never seen the claim except in the WTF video….likewise that there existed a 2002 receipt for a skunting knife or a photograph of Luke wearing a parka jacket at a concert some weeks before the murder. All these claims have two things in common….the source and that no one outside of the source seems to have seen any evidence regarding the veracity of the claims.
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I think Corrine gave the FLO early in the investigation the receipt for the parka jacket bought at Flip. The staff members at Flip may have latterly informed the police about the purchase of the jacket after Luke was seen wearing it in the media. Who knows?
The staff at FLIP knew/know
They tipped off the police who obtained the receipt after the tip off
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I have never seen the claim except in the WTF video….
. All these claims have two things in common….the source and that no one outside of the source seems to have seen any evidence regarding the veracity of the claims.
Scammer Sandra Lean confirmed FLIP staff had alerted police during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police”
Corinne Mitchell lied and made out Michelle Lindsay was waiting for her and her killer son Luke Mitchell when they got back from shopping
However scammer Sandra Lean confirmed in her 2nd innocence fraud IB, page 223 that Corinne was lying again
“FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
The replacement parka was bought from FLIP on the 8th July 2003 NOT the 9th
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Scammer Sandra Lean from IB, page 262
“It was not just Michelle Lindsay, later referred to at appeal by Donald Findlay as a “vixen in the henhouse,” who was planted in the Mitchell home in attempts to obtain information.
Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial.
Who were the two 14 year olds?
Laura Wightman and who else?
Were these two 14 year olds both female?
Was it Laura Wightman and Jill Barnes?
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..likewise that there existed a 2002 receipt for a skunting knife
Witnesses had been contacting the police about killer Luke Mitchell’s “missing” 2002 skunking knife before the 14th July 2003
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11987571.jodis-aunts-make-tv-appeal-to-trace-teenagers-killer/
And it’s clear the police knew about this knife before their 4th July 2003 house search
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I The staff members at Flip may have latterly informed the police about the purchase of the jacket
What exactly did they say during the trial?
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1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Witness from Flip
There are over 40 people and their evidence still missing from this list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
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The staff at FLIP knew/know
They tipped off the police who obtained the receipt after the tip off
Absolute nonsense. Would they know how Corrine Mitchell was?
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Absolute nonsense. Would they know how Corrine Mitchell was?
How many items exactly did liars killer Luke Mitchell/Corinne Mitchell buy from FLIP, do you know?
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How many items exactly did liars killer Luke Mitchell/Corinne Mitchell buy from FLIP, do you know?
Answer the question.
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How many items exactly did liars killer Luke Mitchell/Corinne Mitchell buy from FLIP, do you know?
Answer the question.
Two
The replacement parka
and one t-shirt
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I have never seen the claim except in the WTF video….
A manager from FLIP called Colin gave evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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The Herald stated;
“The jury also heard that Mrs Mitchell bought her son a German Parka jacket from Flip, in Edinburgh, soon after the murder”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408758.warning-over-perjury-for-mother-in-jodi-murder-trial-jury-hears-questions-over-knife-bought-for-camping-trip/
The jury had heard this evidence from a manger called Colin
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Two
The replacement parka
and one t-shirt
How would Flip know who Corrine Mitchell was?
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A manager from FLIP called Colin gave evidence during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
And? Corrine never denied that she bought a parka for Luke AFTER the murder.
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How would Flip know who Corrine Mitchell was?
Who said FLIP staff knew Corinne Mitchell?
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The jury had heard this evidence from a manger called Colin
When did the manager come forward? Certainly not before the police was given the receipt from Corrine which begs the question why he was called? The receipt established that Corrine had bought the parka and when. She didn’t deny it.
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And? Corrine never denied that she bought a parka for Luke AFTER the murder.
Corinne Mitchell didn’t have much choice to admit to buying the parka jacket and the t-shirt
Her killer son Luke Mitchell was recognised by staff in FLIP
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When did the manager come forward?
It wasn’t the manager who gave evidence during the trial who tipped the police off
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Who said FLIP staff knew Corinne Mitchell?
Why would one of the staff from Flip randomly contact the police about a parka that had no relevance at the time bought by a woman they had no reason to know?
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Corinne Mitchell didn’t have much choice to admit to buying the parka jacket and the t-shirt
Her killer son Luke Mitchell was recognised by staff in FLIP
Why would he have been recognised?
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It wasn’t the manager who gave evidence during the trial who tipped the police off
When did the member of staff come forward?
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Why would he have been recognised?
Because psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell got himself about, as psycho’s often do
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When did the member of staff come forward?
Before liar Corinne Mitchell was asked for a receipt
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Because psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell got himself about, as psycho’s often do
Are you admitting that you have no solid reason why Luke Mitchell would be known to the staff of Flip?
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Before liar Corinne Mitchell was asked for a receipt
When…with cites please?
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Are you admitting that you have no solid reason why Luke Mitchell would be known to the staff of Flip?
No
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Corinne Mitchell lied and made out Michelle Lindsay was waiting for her and her killer son Luke Mitchell when they got back from shopping
However scammer Sandra Lean confirmed in her 2nd innocence fraud IB, page 223 that Corinne was lying again
“FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
The replacement parka was bought from FLIP on the 8th July 2003 NOT the 9th
“Receipt” - One single “receipt”?
Are you sure Sandra Lean
“Clothing” ?
One t-shirt!
Presumably the one killer Luke Mitchell is wearing in this photograph with Laura W
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
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When…with cites please?
Already proven during psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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No
That’s exactly what you are doing and it’s a tactic we are used to from you.
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“Receipt” - One single “receipt”?
“Clothing” ?
One t-shirt!
Presumably the one killer Luke Mitchell is wearing in this photograph with Laura W
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
A cite please.
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A cite please.
Colin from FLIP Inc provided evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
A receipt was also showed to the jury for the two items bought from FLIP
A replacement parka
& a t-shirt - presumably the one the killer is wearing in this photo http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/02/sadistic-killer-sexual-deviant-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girlfriends-knife-attacks-including-kara-the-3-kimberleys-the-mystery-still-surrounding-laur-2/
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Already proven during psycho killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
Then you’ll be able to provide a cite.
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Colin from FLIP Inc provided evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
A receipt was also showed to the jury for the two items bought from FLIP
A replacement parka
& a t-shirt
We know that. Corrine never denied that she bought the clothes. What point are you trying to make?
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. What point are you trying to make?
The points have been made
Corinne Mitchell bare faced lied to James English
And there’s a wealth of evidence heard during the trial not in the public domain
There are over 40 people and their evidence still missing from this 👇list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
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The points have been made
Corinne Mitchell bare faced lied to James English
And there’s a wealth of evidence heard during the trial not in the public domain
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
There are over 40 people and their evidence still missing from this 👆🏽list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
It is you who is being dishonest.
The FLO agreed in court that Corrine Mitchell had given her the receipt for the clothes shortly after arriving home from her trip to the shops.
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Corrine never denied that she bought the clothes.
One t-shirt from Flip
Where else did they shop?
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It is you who is being dishonest.
The FLO agreed in court that Corrine Mitchell had given her the receipt for the clothes shortly after arriving home from her trip to the shops.
Cite
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Cite
Haven’t you heard this before? It was reported at the time of the trial. Perhaps google will help with a cite?
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Haven’t you heard this before? It was reported at the time of the trial. Perhaps google will help with a cite?
Provide a cite or you are lying
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Rolfe is a very logical thinker;
Oh you were referring to Morag Kerr who shilled for that psychopathic terrorist and mass murderer Abdelbaset al-Megrahi
Morag Kerr Aka Rolfe:
“Sandra says he wasn't interested in Marilyn Manson anyway,
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=7
This again goes against killer Luke Mitchell’s own evidence
He told the police during interview he was into Marilyn Manson
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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Provide a cite or you are lying
It was reported on at the time of the trial. You’ll find it in media reports of the FLO’s witness testimony.
Now please provide a cite for a 2002 receipt presented in court for a skunting knife, the court testimony of any female attacked by Luke with a knife and the photograph of Luke wearing a parka jacket at a concert weeks before Jodi’s death?
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These experienced officers sometimes get a hunch. Their instincts were that something was off about LM himself, and his inconsistent stories. DNA isn't the be all and end all. This case proved that. The DNA was from a laundered shirt; it was a degraded sample and not a fresh deposit (they would have been able to tell if it was a fresh deposit, even though it was left out in the rain for some 8 hours). It would have been widely reported had it been a fresh semen deposit. If it was on the body, then it got there by rainwater diffusion through the laundered t-shirt. SK was effectively ruled out by scientific facts and a solid alibi by his father and Janine herself (as well as other things). Why does Janine still alibi him in the present day? Why wasn't LM screaming and shouting when that guilty verdict came through? He was calm all throughout the entire ordeal, was he not? LM was no shrinking violet. Why no emotion from him if he was innocent?
By his own recollection, LM was not calm when the verdict was read (for what it is worth). Regarding the ability of police to detect lies, I found this passage: "Research has consistently shown that people's ability to detect lies is no more accurate than chance, or flipping a coin. This finding holds across all types of people — students, psychologists, judges, job interviewers and law enforcement personnel (Personality and Social Psychology Review, 2006)." Laura Zimmerman, "Deception Detection," 2016 47(3):46. https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/03/deception#:~:text=Research%20has%20consistently%20shown%20that,Social%20Psychology%20Review%2C%202006). (https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/03/deception#:~:text=Research%20has%20consistently%20shown%20that,Social%20Psychology%20Review%2C%202006).)
As for police hunches, I have heard it said by an experienced investigator that it is OK to play a hunch, but one must know when to let that hunch die a natural death. Let me continue this thought by saying that many problems in an investigation begin when the facts are moulded to the hunch instead. It was a hunch of a sort that led to Andrew Malkinson's being arrested and convicted of a rape which most people now believe he did not commit.
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It was reported on at the time of the trial.
You still haven’t explained why sadistic killer Luke Mitchell waited almost 20 minutes to telephone Judith Jones after her 10:17pm telephone call & 10:20pm text message
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What happened with this
Luke Mitchell to launch legal battle against lawyer who prepared defence case - 13th March 2011 by Christine Lavelle
“KILLER Luke Mitchell is said to be gearing up for another legal battle – this time against the lawyer who prepared his failed defence case.
Mitchell is believed to be planning to sue Nigel Beaumont for “negligence and misrepresentation” at his trial for brutally murdering his 14-year-old girlfriend Jodi Jones.
An insider at Shotts Prison in Lanarkshire, where the 22-year-old is serving a life sentence, said “deluded” Mitchell has already spoken to a lawyer about launching a private prosecution against Mr Beaumont.
The source said: “Mitchell has spoken to a lawyer about suing Nigel Beaumont on the basis that he failed in his job.
“As far as Mitchell is concerned, it is Beaumont’s fault he’s behind bars.
“Mitchell is determined to clear his name and will stop at nothing.
“He is deluded.
“He genuinely believes he has a strong case.”
Mitchell was 14 when he carried out the attack on Jodi; whose body was found mutilated and bound in woodland near her home in Dalkeith, Midlothian, in 2003.
He was convicted of murder at the High Court in Edinburgh in 2005 and will serve a minimum of 20 years behind bars.
Previous appeals to have his conviction quashed and sentence reduced have failed.
At the trial, Mitchell claimed his dog had found Jodi’s body because it recognised her scent, but prosecutors argued he had known all along where her body lay.
Mitchell, also from Dalkeith, claims Mr Beaumont should have gathered evidence to back-up his claims.
Mr Beaumont, who built the defence case, led by Donald Findlay QC, said: “Mr Mitchell’s case was conducted with the utmost maximum care.
“All possible avenues were investigated in terms of the evidence led.
“I refute and suggestion that myself, or any other member of Mr Mitchell’s defence team, were negligent.”
https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2011/03/13/luke-mitchell-to-launch-legal-battle-against-lawyer-who-prepared-defence-case/
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Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly.
There is no evidence for this
4 or 5 times since end of March/early April 2003 to the 28th June 2003
Statement by Sandra Lean during her keeping the record straight video at around 44:26
“When he was asked how often he and Jodi had had sex during the relationship he said 4 or 5
Scammer Sandra Lean from her second innocence fraud book IB, page 269
DC1: How many times did you have sex with Jodi
Luke: about 5 or 6 times
*&^^&
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Maybe it was July 9th '03 and I am mistaken.
Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight video at around 53:44;
“..a receipt for a jacket which was bought that day, I think it was the 7th of July”
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What was the name of this defence witness?
Were they a colleague of Nigel Beaumont?
Ground 12
[21] The final ground of appeal which the single judge held not to be arguable concerns certain information about a possible connection between a defence witness and one of the jurors. The witness, who was an employee of the firm of solicitors acting for the applicant, gave in the course of the trial uncontroversial evidence about times taken to walk along a route from the applicant's home to certain points of significance and to run back part of the way. According to the grounds of appeal the witness subsequently informed her employers that
"she would be known to [the juror] and that there was reason to believe that [the juror] would be hostile to both her and her sister. It is believed that [the juror] may believe that [the witness's] sister caused her to lose her employment in recent times. It is submitted that [the juror] ought to have brought this matter to the attention of the court as she was well aware she was obliged to".
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=8a928aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Was this defence witness during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial Gillian Law referred to here https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460 and here https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+DOUBT%3B+Mitchell+may+walk+after+new+murder+suspect+emerges.-a0155722297
Bankrupt shame of Mitchell's lawyer
Mitchell's lawyer Gillian Law's highflying career has stalled under a mountain of debt. she was made a partner in Edinburgh firm Beaumont & Co after impressing boss Nigel Beaumont.
But Law has since been declared bankrupt over undisclosed debts owed to the taxman. she was sequestrated at the city's sheriff court - the same place where she defends criminal clients.
As a bankrupt, law's practising certificate was automatically suspended by the law society of scotland. After lodging an appeal, she has been allowed to return to work but with restrictions. she can no longer be a partner in the firm and is only allowed to work as an assistant. She is also banned from handling clients' cash.
Despite her debt woes, Law still drives a VW Beetle convertible with private registration. she lives with advocate Michael Anderson in a £400,000 townhouse beside Duddingston Golf club in the capital.
The Law Society said: "She has had her practising certificate restricted and can only work as an assistant."
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460
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Why would one of the staff from Flip randomly contact the police about a parka that had no relevance at the time
Killer Luke Mitchell’s parka jacket, which he wore when he committed his murder, was missing (Wasn’t found during the 4th July 2003 police search)
He was buying a replacement khaki green parka style jacket - ergo it was highly relevant
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell initially tell police he was meeting Jodi Jones at the abbey?
“Jodi had arranged to meet her boyfriend at a local abbey on Monday night, but never arrived. Although her body was not found until late at night, Roman Dyke is only minutes from her home, and detectives believe she was killed shortly after she left her house.
With such a short timeframe, detectives are keen to speak to anyone who saw Jodi after 5pm and appeals are concentrating on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jul/05/ukcrime.gerardseenan
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You still haven’t explained why sadistic killer Luke Mitchell waited almost 20 minutes to telephone Judith Jones after her 10:17pm telephone call & 10:20pm text message
I haven’t explained because it didn’t happen.
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Killer Luke Mitchell’s parka jacket, which he wore when he committed his murder, was missing (Wasn’t found during the 4th July 2003 police search)
He was buying a replacement khaki green parka style jacket - ergo it was highly relevant
I’m not sure why I need to explain this to you but here goes. When Corrine bought the parka jacket in Flip after the murder the staff members would have had no idea who Corrine, and Luke who was with her, were. They would have had no idea that any the clothes bought that day were of any relevance.
It could only have been after Luke’s photo had appeared in the media, with the parka on, that the staff could have had any idea that the jacket was significant. Of course this was at least two months after the receipts for the clothes from Flip had been given by Corrine to the FLO.
For me the Flip claim is a total red herring.
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell initially tell police he was meeting Jodi Jones at the abbey?
“Jodi had arranged to meet her boyfriend at a local abbey on Monday night, but never arrived. Although her body was not found until late at night, Roman Dyke is only minutes from her home, and detectives believe she was killed shortly after she left her house.
With such a short timeframe, detectives are keen to speak to anyone who saw Jodi after 5pm and appeals are concentrating on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jul/05/ukcrime.gerardseenan
They also have Jodi leaving her house after 5pm so bang goes Bryson’s sighting.
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I haven’t explained because it didn’t happen.
Judith Jones telephoned sadistic killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm then sent a text message a 10:20pm
Killer Luke Mitchell waited almost 20 minutes before contacting Judith Jones
TIMELINE of Sadistic Teen Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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I’m not sure why I need to explain this to you but here goes. When Corrine bought the parka jacket in Flip after the murder the staff members would have had no idea who Corrine
No one has said this was what happened
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It could only have been after Luke’s photo had appeared in the media, with the parka on, that the staff could have had any idea that the jacket was significant
The police were tipped off on the day the parka style jacket was purchased from FLIP!
Killer Luke Mitchell’s parka jacket, which he wore when he committed his murder, was missing (Wasn’t found during the 4th July 2003 police search)
He was buying a replacement khaki green parka style jacket - ergo it was highly relevant
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For me the Flip claim is a total red herring.
Definitely NOT a red herring
Killer Luke Mitchell’s parka jacket, which he wore when he committed his murder, was missing (Wasn’t found during the 4th July 2003 police search)
He was buying a replacement khaki green parka style jacket - ergo it was highly relevant
Colin Proctor represented FLIP during the trial
He was NOT the staff member who had tipped off police
The staff member who tipped off the police knew Jodi Jones
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Definitely NOT a red herring
Colin Proctor represented FLIP during the trial
He was NOT the staff member who had tipped off police
The staff member who tipped off the police knew Jodi Jones
Sigh.
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They would have had no idea that any the clothes bought that day were of any relevance.
One of the FLIP staff members did
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Sigh.
FLO Michelle Lindsay asked about the receipt when she did because she’s been tipped off
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police”
Unbeknown to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell he was recognised by a FLIP staff member who knew Jodi Jones
This was only 8 days after his murder
What was killer Luke Mitchell wanting a khaki green parka style jacket for on the 8th July 2003?
He didn’t wear jackets/coats according to his mother Corinne Mitchell
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Unbeknown to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell he was recognised by a FLIP staff member who knew Jodi Jones
This was only 8 days after his murder
What was killer Luke Mitchell wanting a khaki green parka style jacket for on the 8th July 2003?
He didn’t wear jackets/coats according to his mother Corinne Mitchell
School pupils had broken up for the summer holidays on the 3rd of July 2003
Then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home had been searched on the 4th July 2003
4 days later he’s wanting a replacement khaki green style parka jacket
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her keeping the record straight nonsense video at around 53:55
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police
Unbeknown to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell he was recognised by a FLIP staff member who knew Jodi Jones
This was only 8 days after his murder
What was killer Luke Mitchell wanting a khaki green parka style jacket for on the 8th July 2003?
He didn’t wear jackets/coats according to his mother Corinne Mitchell
School pupils had broken up for the summer holidays on the 3rd July 2003
Then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home had been searched on the 4th July
4 days later - 8th July - he’s wanting a replacement khaki green style parka jacket
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School pupils had broken up from school on the 3rd July 2003
Then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home had been searched on the 4th July
4 days later - 8th July - he’s wanting a replacement khaki green style parka jacket
Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell go to studio 24 nightclub in Edinburgh on the 4th of 5th July?
Ben Sole
“…he was having a great time and he was joking about with me” & “He just carried on as normal - he seemed like he was having a really good time. He just carried on living life”
Oh missed Ben Sole off the witness list, along with DI Tom Martin
There are still over 40 people and their evidence missing from this 👇list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell go to studio 24 nightclub in Edinburgh on the 4th of 5th July?
Ben Sole
“…he was having a great time and he was joking about with me” & “He just carried on as normal - he seemed like he was having a really good time. He just carried on living life”
Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell supplying drugs in nightclub studio 24 in Edinburgh on the 4th/5th July 2003?
Did Ben Sole witness the following before studio 24
“Another teenager, Ben Sole, said he had witnessed Luke Mitchell cutting up cannabis resin into blocks with a knife.
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Unbeknown to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell he was recognised by a FLIP staff member who knew Jodi Jones
This was only 8 days after his murder
What was killer Luke Mitchell wanting a khaki green parka style jacket for on the 8th July 2003?
He didn’t wear jackets/coats according to his mother Corinne Mitchell
Alan Turnbull would have been aware of this
“ALAN Turnbull has no doubt that Luke Mitchell killed Jodi Jones - otherwise he'd never have prosecuted the case.
Despite the difficulties in securing a conviction based mainly on circumstantial evidence, the top lawyer knew he was after the right person.
The reason may be because, as part of a new strategy, he was involved in the murder probe right from the start.
The reason may be because, as part of a new strategy, he was involved in the murder probe right from the start.
He saw the evidence at its freshest and developed a knowledge of the principal players, which would ultimately aid his performance at the trial.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+GOT+R+RIGHT+KILLER%3B+PROSECUTOR+IN+JODI+TRIAL+SPEAKS+OUT+FOR+FIRST...-a0128589047
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School pupils had broken up from school on the 3rd July 2003
Then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s home had been searched on the 4th July
4 days later - 8th July - he’s wanting a replacement khaki green style parka jacket
Scammer Sandra Lean
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police
FLIP staff alerted the police about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell buying a replacement parka jacket, 8 days after committing his murder
The “hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes” weren’t suspected of having committed murder
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“Why were staff from FLIP alerting the police to a mother buying clothes for their teenage son, why would they do that, they must have hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes, why would they alert the police
FLIP staff alerted the police about sadistic killer Luke Mitchell buying a replacement parka jacket, 8 days after committing his murder
The “hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes” weren’t suspected of having committed murder
And “hundreds of people going through the shop buying clothes” from FLIP hadn’t had their houses searched for a “missing” khaki style jacket 4 days earlier
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Unbeknown to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell he was recognised by a FLIP staff member who knew Jodi Jones
This was only 8 days after his murder
What was killer Luke Mitchell wanting a khaki green parka style jacket for on the 8th July 2003?
He didn’t wear jackets/coats according to his mother Corinne Mitchell
I was going to post earlier about the possibility of a Flip employee or another customer knowing either Jodi or Luke by pure coincidence, and then giving police the tip-off (though, I don't think LM knew any employee in Flip, or was aware of any employee knowing him or Jodi, otherwise he would not have risked buying the parka in that shop). It would make more sense if the Flip employee gave the police the tip-off, since CM & LM would've made sure the FLO didn't see them buying the jacket or see any proof that the jacket had been purchased after 30.06.03 (they were both too intelligent and cunning to let their guard down that way, unless the FLO was planted in their house 24/7, which I doubt). I think they deduced that the police were looking for that parka when they raided the house in early July and took a lot of clothes away, so they took the decision to try and replace it without anyone noticing (CM & LM knew that a lot of people had seen LM wearing a parka previously, crucially some independent eyewitnesses on 30.06.03, and knew cctv and photos of him in the parka before the murder probably existed). Again, providence did not work in LM's favour.
Just as an afterthought, I wonder what story the Mitchells would've devised trying to explain how the parka turned up after the police had taken a lot of clothes away from the Mitchell household in early July ...
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I was going to post earlier about the possibility of a Flip employee or another customer knowing either Jodi or Luke by pure coincidence, and then giving police the tip-off (though, I don't think LM knew any employee in Flip, or was aware of any employee knowing him or Jodi, otherwise he would not have risked buying the parka in that shop)
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell would also not have known the FLIP staff rota and which staff worked full-time and part-time and when etc
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell would also not have known the FLIP staff rota and which staff worked full-time and part-time and when etc
There's that, too.
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Just as an afterthought, I wonder what story the Mitchells would've devised trying to explain how the parka turned up after the police had taken a lot of clothes away from the Mitchell household in early July ...
IF the police took all of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s clothes away and liars Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean attempt to portray, when they searched his home on the 4th July 2003, what did he wear for the next 4 days and when he went to the nightclub studio 24 in Edinburgh on the Friday/Saturday night (the 4th/5th July) ?
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I think they deduced that the police were looking for that parka when they raided the house in early July and took a lot of clothes away, so they took the decision to try and replace it without anyone noticing (CM & LM knew that a lot of people had seen LM wearing a parka previously, crucially some independent eyewitnesses on 30.06.03, and knew cctv and photos of him in the parka before the murder probably existed). Again, providence did not work in LM's favour.
Within the first 24 hours of the police investigation, there had been over 140 telephone calls from the public
This included witnesses giving details of a khaki/green jacket/coat
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her second innocence fraud book, page 222
“…what on earth led Mr Dobbie to ‘believe’ Luke was wearing a Parka and that his mother had destroyed it in the log burner?”
@)(++(*
This is a myth started by charlatan and liar Sandra Lean
Craig Dobbie and co did NOT “believe” Corinne Mitchell destroyed her killer sons parka in her log burner
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Just as an afterthought, I wonder what story the Mitchells would've devised trying to explain how the parka turned up after the police had taken a lot of clothes away from the Mitchell household in early July ...
The police would have missed it during their search or killer Luke Mitchell would have left it at his father Philip Mitchell’s house, who he hasn’t visited for weeks leading up to his murder
Or it would have been at his grandmothers place of left at Scott’s caravans on the back of the lawn mower or some other ridiculous excuse
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Did Corinne Mitchell ever trace her family tree and had any of her relatives committed murder?
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unless the FLO was planted in their house 24/7,
FLO Lindsay Michelle did not arrive at the Mitchell’s house until around 11am on the 2nd July 2003.
She had telephoned Corinne Mitchell the night before and made arrangements from there
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Was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell supplying drugs in nightclub studio 24 in Edinburgh on the 4th/5th July 2003?
What did Ben Sole and other witnesses say killer Luke Mitchell was wearing that night and who did they say he was with in nightclub studio 24?
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When did the manager come forward?
Colin Proctor (described as an area manager) gave evidence
FLIP also had a store manager
Then there were the full and part-time staff who worked under the store manager - one of whom knew Jodi Jones
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Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell go to studio 24 nightclub in Edinburgh on the 4th of 5th July?
Ben Sole
“…he was having a great time and he was joking about with me” & “He just carried on as normal - he seemed like he was having a really good time. He just carried on living life”
“The mission” was apparently on Saturdays nights https://www.reddit.com/r/Edinburgh/comments/lm7352/studio_24_the_mission_mini_mission_playlist/
There’s a reference to the mission here https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12532615.isolated-vilified-and-left-with-nowhere-to-go-luke-mitchell-the-15-year-old-boyfriend-of-jodi-jones-is-suspended-from-school-amid-a-whispering-campaign-over-her-murder-abigail-wild-assesses-the-mood-in-his-midlothian-community/
where one woman says her son used to “socialise with Luke, at The Mission, a club night”
How old did people have to be to get into the mission?
More on the mission http://www.nightnews.net/Pix05.htm
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There are still over 40 people and their evidence missing from this 👇list
Who are the 40 odd other witnesses and why did the mainstream media not report on their evidence?
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Dc Stephen Quinn
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I think they deduced that the police were looking for that parka when they raided the house in early July and took a lot of clothes away, so they took the decision to try and replace it without anyone noticing (CM & LM knew that a lot of people had seen LM wearing a parka previously, crucially some independent eyewitnesses on 30.06.03, and knew cctv and photos of him in the parka before the murder probably existed).
Corinne Mitchell knew her son had committed his murder
She has lied with ease over the years
Killer Luke Mitchell: Edinburgh Clothing Store FLIP, AppleJack Selling Herbal Cannabis & Bare Faced Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 202)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/05/04/killer-luke-mitchell-edinburgh-clothing-store-flip-applejack-selling-herbal-cannabis-part-202/
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1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Dc Stephen Quinn
Who’s missing from the above list?
Apparently over 100 witnesses were scheduled to give evidence
“More than 100 witnesses are due to give evidence during the trial before Lord Nimmo Smith. Here is a day-by-day summary of the last week's evidence.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+Are+you+sure+you+understand+the+importance+of...-a0127135382
The list is missing a minimum of 36 witnesses and names
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1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Derek Morris
65. Pathologist report for defence
66. Dc Adam Brunton
67. Jonathan Whitaker
68. Pc Anita Dow
69. Dc Stephen Livingston
70. DI Tom Martin
71. Dr Kranti Hiremath
There are still over 29 people and their evidence missing from this 👆🏽list
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The verdict: Luke was a dark and dangerous character.. he was irresistible to teenage girls; BUT TEEN TURNED EVIL WHEN TOLD 'NO' By Maggie Barry
KILLER Luke Mitchell was a violent thug - but girls flocked to be his lover.
The teenager's reputation as a moody rebel captured the hearts of girls in Dalkeith.
But behind his mask, Mitchell was a woman-h ater who tried to force his lovers to have sex at the point of a knife.
And he loved his celebrity status as the number one suspect for Jodi's murder.
Schoolgirl Jodi's pals wept as they told how he swaggered round the Midlothian town after the murder.
Mitchell would ask 14-year-old Jodi's friends: "Do you know who I am?"
A police source said: "For a 14-year-old, Mitchell showed unbelievable arrogance after the murder.
"Girls were even more attracted to him and he made the most of it."
Mitchell was eager to get back to the school playground after the summer holidays to boast that police had failed to arrest him.
One pal said: "Jodi was dead and he was swaggering around acting as though he was enjoying his reputation as a murder suspect.
"He was even out wearing a T-shirt with 666 on the back which just shows how sick he is."
This fact barely gets a mention
At the age of 14, Mitchell was having sex with two girlfriends - one of them Jodi - who knew nothing about each other.
Within days of Jodi's murder he had replaced her with another girl.
This was Laura W who it was reported later became “estranged” from sadistic killer Luke Mitchell & who apparently was diagnosed with a “severe depressive disorder”
And as Jodi learned to her cost, Mitchell did not like to be told "no".
Police believe it was Jodi's angry reaction at learning about his other girlfriend which led to her death.
and/or maybe she refused to have sex with him
Jodi had been unaware when she began dating Mitchell that he already had a girlfriend who looked "almost identical".
And his "other woman", just 15, only learned of Mitchell's relationship with Jodi after she died.
Mitchell started going out with Kimberly Thomson in 2002 and even brought her to stay at his dad's house in Livingston after a double date with a pal to the cinema. He bragged about how alike the girls were.
This was Robert Gilhooly & his girlfriend
During the trial, the jury saw Kimberly's school photo which was almost indistinguishable from family snaps of Jodi.
Mitchell had been dating Jodi for three months when she was killed.
And the last time he had sex with her, just two days before he killed her, he cruelly waved her off in a taxi before calling his other girlfriend.
Mitchell conned both girls into thinking their relationship was special and exclusive.
He also conned Laura W
Jodi was in awe of Mitchell's world. He was a highly intelligent student and top of most of his classes at Dalkeith High School.
But he also had a bad-boy image as leader of his group of dope-smoking teens. Jodi's rebellious, experimental phase started soon after she met him.
He introduced her to cannabis, she got a lip piercing and had sex with him.
Within weeks of Jodi's death, Mitchell was having sex with one of her best friends.
Laura W
When he was banned from Jodi's funeral, Mitchell took his new girlfriend to her graveside knowing it would attract attention.
The blonde teenager clutched a red rose as she stood, wearing a Nirvana T-shirt, beside Mitchell. Ever the showman, Mitchell knelt down to comfort her as she wept while reading cards and tributes from Jodi's classmates.
During the murder investigation, cops found that when Mitchell was 12 he demanded sex from a girlfriend in Livingston, West Lothian. When she said "no", he threatened her with a knife. A police source said: "Mitchell was sexually mature at a very young age. This girl refused to have sex because she was not ready.
This was evidence, not a story sold to the newspapers as has been claimed
"But he hated to be told 'no'. He liked to be in control."
Mitchell lived with his mother, Corinne, who split from his dad, Philip, a caravan salesman, in 2002 after 22 years of marriage.
Luke, and his brother Shane, lived with their mum in Dalkeith but he visited his father in Livingston at weekends.
Friends said Mitchell seemed very close to Corinne.
And they claim she turned a blind eye to his increasing drug habit and cannabis dealing. One said: "Corinne doted on both the boys. They could do nothing wrong.
"It was almost creepy how she acted around Luke. They often held hands. She constantly played with his hair, touched his arms and shoulders - it was almost like they were boyfriend and girlfriend rather than mother and son."
Corinne was with Mitchell when he appeared on TV on the day of Jodi's funeral to publicly deny murdering her.
Asked if he had killed Jodi, Mitchell coolly told the Sky News interviewer: "No. I never, I wouldn't."
But while Corrine believed his innocence, others did not.
A friend of Jodi's, who asked not to be named, said Mitchell's attitude sparked a backlash against the family.
She said: "Before his arrest, he was living it up. People have been totally sickened by the sight of him.
"Shop workers even refused to serve his mother when she went to buy petrol."
Mitchell's jotters from Dalkeith's St David's High School were daubed with Satanic slogans.
And in January 2003, Mitchell wrote an essay questioning the existence of God containing passages such as: "People like you need Satanic people like me to keep the balance."
It was also claimed he said he could imagine himself getting "stoned" and killing someone.
A knife pouch with the initials "[Name removed]" - apparently a reference to Jodi - and the numerals "666" written on it was found in his bedroom.
Det Supt Craig Dobbie said: "Jodi's death provided the opportunity to act out a fantasy. The knife wounds were linear and deliberate. They were not inflicted to cause death, they were done after she was dead."
Last night, the only comfort for Jodi's grieving mum Judith, 39, was that no more lives would be snuffed out by evil Mitchell.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
Maggie Barry attended the murderers trial
The evidence about killer Luke Mitchell’s sexual deviance and knife attacks and threats of other girls he had targeted came out during trial via his own evidence
The murderer and scammer Sandra Lean do not want the people they are duping to see the fact killer Luke Mitchell referred to his previous knife attacks, leading up to his murder, as jokes
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Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from IB, page 170
“The police investigators appear to have lost sight of the fact that they were dealing with young teenagers whose relationships are often fickle and fleeting.
*&^^&
“Fickle’ and “fleeting” in no way describes sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell and his targeting of so many girls over such a short space of time
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Maggie Barry attended the murderers trial
The evidence about killer Luke Mitchell’s sexual deviance and knife attacks and threats of other girls he had targeted came out during trial via his own evidence
The murderer and scammer Sandra Lean do not want the people they are duping to see the fact killer Luke Mitchell referred to his previous knife attacks, leading up to his murder, as jokes
One example 👇
“Another fling ended on a more threatening note, with another West Lothian girl, Kimberley Tait, claiming Mitchell once pulled a knife on her after she refused to sleep with him. Mitchell claimed the knife incident was only a joke.
More evidence heard during sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s trial which scammer Sandra Lean has omitted from her innocence fraud narrative
Police asked sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell about Kimberley Tait during his interviews
When asked by police why he had attacked and threatened KT with a knife
Killer Luke Mitchell replied “it was only a joke”
The jury heard this evidence on the 21st or 24th December 2004
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Police asked sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell about Kimberley Tait during his interviews
When asked by police why he had attacked and threatened KT with a knife
Killer Luke Mitchell replied “it was only a joke”
The jury heard this evidence on the 21st or 24th December 2004
Looks like it was the 24th December 2004
TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial (Part 273)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
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By Maggie Barry
During the murder investigation, cops found that when Mitchell was 12 he demanded sex from a girlfriend in Livingston, West Lothian. When she said "no", he threatened her with a knife.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Jodi+Jones%3A+The+verdict%3A+Luke+was+a+dark+and+dangerous+character..+he...-a0127488179
Again - this evidence came out during sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell’s trial
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What was the exact time doctor Kranti Hiremath arrived at the police station?
What was the name of the doctor who attended sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her second innocence fraud book IB, page 250
“..the doctor attended to pronounce death, all before 3am
Did doctor Kranti Hiremath go to Dalkeith police station to meet a police officer who then took her to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
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Regarding the knife and knife pouch that were found in the Mitchell household on 14.04.04 ... was it established that the knife did not belong to that pouch? Was it ascertained that the knife -- bought in December '03 -- was without an accompanying pouch, and the knife pouch belonged to the knife that was the murder weapon that LM owned before 30.06.03? Did the police on 14.04.04 test to see if the knife & knife pouch found that day fitted each other?
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What was the name of the doctor who attended sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her second innocence fraud book IB, page 250
“..the doctor attended to pronounce death, all before 3am
Did doctor Kranti Hiremath go to Dalkeith police station to meet a police officer who then took her to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
doctor Kranti Hiremath here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-64/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated on 16th September 2022 “..the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi’s murder”
So did dr Kranti Hiremath attend killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene “to pronounce death”?
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Regarding the knife and knife pouch that were found in the Mitchell household on 14.04.04 ... was it established that the knife did not belong to that pouch?
Yes
It was a Jack Pyke knife pouch found in sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on 14th April 2004
The replacement knife doesn’t appear to have been a Jack Pyke knife
Was it ascertained that the knife -- bought in December '03 -- was without an accompanying pouch,
Did the replacement knife even come with a leather pouch?
It could have arrived packaged with cardboard surrounding the blade
Did the police on 14.04.04 test to see if the knife & knife pouch found that day fitted each other?
This would have been investigated also
Why would a generic skunting knife be in a Jack Pyke leather pouch?
This would have also been established during the killers trial, and another relevant detail not reported on
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More on doctor Kranti Hiremath here
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-64/
Did Alan Cauldwell question dr Kranti Hiremath?
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Yes
It was a Jack Pyke knife pouch found in sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s bedroom on 14th April 2004
The replacement knife doesn’t appear to have been a Jack Pyke knife
Did that knife even come with a leather pouch?
This would have been investigated also
I know the invoice from the company in Leeds showed that the goods purchased was signed for by C Mitchell and purchased using her visa debit card on December '03. The invoice also showed that a knife was purchased but did not show a knife pouch was purchased (and I doubt that a knife pouch came with the knife for free). I presume the police tested the knife and pouch they found on 14.04.04 to see if they fitted? I presume they did not fit?
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Regarding the knife and knife pouch that were found in the Mitchell household on 14.04.04 ... was it established that the knife did not belong to that pouch?
Again this was established during the trial
And again - not reported on
*&^^&
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I presume they did not fit?
Can you expand on what you mean by “they did not fit”
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Can you expand on what you mean by “they did not fit”
Putting the knife inside the pouch to see if it was a tight or loose fit; basically to obtain further evidence that they weren't a pairing and that the knife that matched with the pouch was still missing.
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Did Alan Cauldwell question dr Kranti Hiremath?
Did Alan Caudwell ask dr Kranti Hiremath if Jodi Jones could have caused the injuries to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s shins after kicking him?
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.4560.html
(Luke’s clothing, am I correct in saying this was meant to be the same clothes he wore to school that day that he was still in that night? If so who corroborated this?) Quote Bullseye.
Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell made no mention of changing his clothes once he got home from school, ergo he met Jodi Jones in the clothes he was wearing to school on Monday - along with his parka jacket over the top
He then went home to burn and change his clothes before heading to the abbey
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Putting the knife inside the pouch to see if it was a tight or loose fit; basically to obtain further evidence that they weren't a pairing and that the knife that matched with the pouch was still missing.
That’s what I thought you meant
Why would a generic skunting knife come in a leather Jack Pyke knife pouch?
The same knife pouch Laura Wightman had seen killer Luke Mitchell with in pizza hut on 27th June 2003
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell made no mention of changing his clothes once he got home from school, ergo he met Jodi Jones in the clothes he was wearing to school on Monday - along with his parka jacket over the top
He then went home to burn and change his clothes before heading to the abbey
Do you think LM went home immediately after the RW/LF sighting at 1740 and quickly changed his jacket (from the parka into the bomber jacket) and was back on the Newbattle Road for 1800 or just after it? Or, do you think he'd pre-planned the murder and had the bomber planked/hidden in the woodlands behind that gate? I think the former scenario is much more plausible. He was very fortunate that no one from his scheme or street saw him going home at 1745 in that parka or going back out in the bomber jacket at just before 1800 (obviously many people saw him on nb rd between 1800-1825, but it doesn't appear anyone saw him leaving his house in the bomber jacket just before 1800). I also wonder if he'd told CM something was wrong between 1745 and just before 1800? Or likely waited until he returned home again at approx. 1830? Probably the latter, imo.
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Do you think LM went home immediately after the RW/LF sighting at 1740 and quickly changed his jacket (from the parka into the bomber jacket) and was back on the Newbattle Road for 1800 or just after it? Or, do you think he'd pre-planned the murder and had the bomber planked/hidden in the woodlands behind that gate?
He appears to have fantasised about committing murder
So it’s very possible it was pre-planned
Do you think he had taken gloves and his balaclava with him when he left Newbattle Abbey crescent?
Could that be what was bulging in his jacket pocket?
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Do you think LM went home immediately after the RW/LF sighting at 1740 and quickly changed his jacket (from the parka into the bomber jacket) and was back on the Newbattle Road for 1800 or just after it?
I do think he went home to change his clothes and footwear, for sure
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I also wonder if he'd told CM something was wrong between 1745 and just before 1800? Or likely waited until he returned home again at approx. 1830? Probably the latter, imo.
Corinne Mitchell appears to have known her son had murdered Jodi Jones when she asked the police if he was a suspect
She most definitely knew he was lying when she was sat next to him, whilst he was giving that 22 page written witness statement in Dalkeith police station
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Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell made no mention of changing his clothes once he got home from school, ergo he met Jodi Jones in the clothes he was wearing to school on Monday - along with his parka jacket over the top
He then went home to burn and change his clothes before heading to the abbey
Completely agree. When he went back home at 1830, I think he changed everything - jeans, t-shirt and boots. I think he told CM at this point something bad had happened (he probably even told her Jodi was dead at this point, but not 100% certain) and he desperately needed her help. He may have had a quick was at the bathhroom sink upstairs, confident that he had very little to no blood traces at all on his person; either that or he used the freshwater streams in that woodland behind that gate, not risking any blood traces or incriminating forensic evidence being left in his upstairs bathroom. A whole new change of clothing and a hasty wash somewhere out of sight were the reasons one of the boys he met up with in the abbey at 1930 testified in court he was looking more cleaner and less unkempt than normal. He then had ample time -- between 1930 and that first contact from JudJ -- to re-dirty his person.
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What did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell police had happened to his shins?
He didn’t play any sport, going by all the accounts, and he had been at school on the Monday, with no reported incidents involving his shins
So the shin abrasions appear to be linked to his murder
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I do think he went home to change his clothes and footwear, for sure
Do you think he changed his jeans, t-shirt and footwear between 1740-1800 or between 1830-1930. I think the latter is more likely. Obviously he changed jackets between 1740-1800. What did the 6 eyewitnesses say about LM's footwear between 1800-1830? They all described his green bomber jacket and black baggy jeans, but what did they say about his footwear at this point?
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Do you think he changed his jeans, t-shirt and footwear between 1740-1800 or between 1830-1930.
Did he wear jeans to school that day?
Thought he was still wearing his school trousers?
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What did the 6 eyewitnesses say about LM's footwear between 1800-1830?
There were 9 witnesses
Who all appear to have said he was wearing dark coloured footwear
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…and black baggy jeans
We’re the “trousers” found hidden in the holdall alao black baggy jeans?
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Did he wear jeans to school that day?
Thought he was still wearing his school trousers?
Don't know. Wasn't he in the habit of not conforming to conventional school attire? If he did have black school trousers on, I think he changed into black baggy jeans when he got in from school. I also think he changed into another pair of black baggy jeans between 1830-1930.
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There were 9 witnesses
Who all appear to have said he was wearing dark coloured footwear
I'm talking about the second time he was on the nb rd, between 1800-1830, wearing the green bomber jacket. 3 pushbike boys, mo/dh and ch.
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Completely agree. When he went back home at 1830, I think he changed everything - jeans, t-shirt and boots. I think he told CM at this point something bad had happened (he probably even told her Jodi was dead at this point, but not 100% certain)
It’s very possible he had told his mother he had committed murder
Would explain why she sent him out pretending to look for Jodi Jones after 10pm
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I'm talking about the second time he was on the nb rd, between 1800-1830, wearing the green bomber jacket. 3 pushbike boys, mo/dh and ch.
What footwear did he usually wear for school, do you know?
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What footwear did he usually wear for school, do you know?
Not sure.
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated on 16th September 2022 “..the only doctor brought in that night was one whose task it was to find any evidence to suggest that Luke might have been involved in Jodi’s murder”
So did dr Kranti Hiremath attend killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene “to pronounce death”?
Scammer Sandra Lean from IB, page 207 referring to dr Kranti Hiremath
“According to the police surgeon, Luke’s nails were dirty..”
“Dr Kranti stated that her job is to visit crime scenes, to examine the victim or the accused, and to give an impartial forensic report.
https://theinterviewportal.com/2017/08/24/forensic-medical-examiner-interview/
So did dr Kranti Hiremath visit killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene “to pronounce death” or did another doctor do this?
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Dr Kranti stated that her job is to visit crime scenes, to examine the victim or the accused, and to give an impartial forensic report.
[/color] https://theinterviewportal.com/2017/08/24/forensic-medical-examiner-interview/
So did dr Kranti Hiremath visit killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene “to pronounce death” or did another doctor do this?
“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon
Court Of Appeal Judgement Suggests Inconsistency In Murderers Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Story Via Channel 5’s 2021 “Murder In A Small Town” Innocence Fraud TV Show, Narrated By Lucy Briers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/22/killer-luke-mitchell-court-of-appeal-judgement-suggests-inconsistency-in-murderers-mother-corinne-mitchells-story-via-channel-5s-2021-murder-in-a-small-town-innoce/
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“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon
Court Of Appeal Judgement Suggests Inconsistency In Murderers Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Story Via Channel 5’s 2021 “Murder In A Small Town” Innocence Fraud TV Show, Narrated By Lucy Briers
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/22/killer-luke-mitchell-court-of-appeal-judgement-suggests-inconsistency-in-murderers-mother-corinne-mitchells-story-via-channel-5s-2021-murder-in-a-small-town-innoce/
The 2008 Court of Appeal judgement also said that Judith Jones contacted Luke for the first time at 10.41pm so, by your reasoning, that must be right,right?
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The 2008 Court of Appeal judgement also said that Judith Jones contacted Luke for the first time at 10.41pm so, by your reasoning, that must be right,right?
The 2006 court of appeal judgement stated “[1] On 11 January 2005 the trial judge sentenced him to be detained without limit of time,..
The 11th January was 10 days before the jury reached a verdict
And scammer Sandra Lean claims the time was 10:38pm
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The 2006 court of appeal judgement stated “[1] On 11 January 2005 the trial judge sentenced him to be detained without limit of time,..
The 11th January was 10 days before the jury reached a verdict
And scammer Sandra Lean claims the time was 10:38pm
So your quote
“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon”
May be wrong too?
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So your quote
“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon”
May be wrong too?
I don’t disagree
But then why would those judges choose to state the taking of his clothes and the examination by the police surgeon took place at the conclusion of his interview
Is it because the police surgeon Kranti Hiremath attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene first “to pronounce death” and then returned to Dalkeith police station to carry out the examination?
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I don’t disagree
But then why would those judges choose to state the taking of his clothes and the examination by the police surgeon took place at the conclusion of his interview
A misunderstanding? A slip of the pen? Who knows?
The point is that you claim that we can’t place any reliance on the accuracy of the 2008 Appeal Judgement on one hand but use it as a source on the other. Contradictory?
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A misunderstanding? A slip of the pen? Who knows?
The point is that you claim that we can’t place any reliance on the accuracy of the 2008 Appeal Judgement on one hand but use it as a source on the other. Contradictory?
The judges specifically stated;
“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused..”
Why would they choose to make this statement?
At the “conclusion” of killer Luke Mitchell’s interview would suggest his clothes weren’t requested until around 5am in the morning
Donald Findlays questioning during trial also suggests the examination didn’t take place until around 5-6am in the morning
“She checked for any injuries, and saw an abrasion on each of Mitchell’s shins. The more recent was between 24 and 48 hours old. Mr Findlay asked: "There were no injuries that had the appearance of being received in the previous 12 hours?"
Why did he say “the previous 12 hours” if he was allegedly examined around 8 hours after he had committed his murder?
Why did Donald Findlay not say previous 8 hours?
12 hours after his murder would be around 5am on 1st July 2003
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What did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell police had happened to his shins?
He didn’t play any sport, going by all the accounts, and he had been at school on the Monday, with no reported incidents involving his shins
So the shin abrasions appear to be linked to his murder
It's a strong possibility that LM's shin abrasions were linked to the murder. Jodi may not have been able to use her hands or arms due to being overpowered by LM (a couple of his ex-girlfriends attested to how physically strong he was), but her legs and feet could certainly have made forceful contact with his shins during the struggle in that woodland strip. It would be interesting to read Dr Kranti's full reports on LM's & Jodi's physical condition on 01.07.03. I presume the police would've sought a second opinion outwith Dr Kranti's findings, from another forensic medical examiner? Would she have examined Jodi's body on the morning of 01.07.03 in addition to Luke's?
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It's a strong possibility that LM's shin abrasions were linked to the murder. Jodi may not have been able to use her hands or arms due to being overpowered by LM (a couple of his ex-girlfriends attested to how physically strong he was), but her legs and feet could certainly have made forceful contact with his shins during the struggle in that woodland strip.
Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?
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Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?
Yes, but I think her clothing, including footwear & socks, was removed after she died.
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Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?
Possibly a result of a violent struggle, footwear coming off. But, then, was there evidence of feet digging into the ground at the locus?
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It would be interesting to read Dr Kranti's full reports on LM's & Jodi's physical condition on 01.07.03.
Do you think it was dr Kranti Hiremath who attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
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Yes, but I think her clothing, including footwear & socks, was removed after she died.
What makes you think this?
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Do you think it was dr Kranti Hiremath who attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?
Yes.
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Possibly a result of a violent struggle, footwear coming off. But, then, was there evidence of feet digging into the ground at the locus?
There was a torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm that evening and it rained some more after the torrential downpour
Guessing the woodlands became muddy after this
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Dr Kranti's findings, from another forensic medical examiner? Would she have examined Jodi's body on the morning of 01.07.03 in addition to Luke's?
Didn’t Anthony Busuttil examine Jodi Jones body?
Both Kranti Hiremath and Anthony Busuttil were referred to here
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2021hcjac50.pdf?sfvrsn=bd926374_1
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What makes you think this?
I think most of her clothing was removed after she stopped breathing or was in the process of dying. Maybe the poor girl's footwear came off before death, for example during the struggle?
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It's a strong possibility that LM's shin abrasions were linked to the murder. Jodi may not have been able to use her hands or arms due to being overpowered by LM (a couple of his ex-girlfriends attested to how physically strong he was), but her legs and feet could certainly have made forceful contact with his shins during the struggle in that woodland strip. It would be interesting to read Dr Kranti's full reports on LM's & Jodi's physical condition on 01.07.03. I presume the police would've sought a second opinion outwith Dr Kranti's findings, from another forensic medical examiner? Would she have examined Jodi's body on the morning of 01.07.03 in addition to Luke's?
Why would the police have sought a second opinion? Is that usual in a police investigation?
And no, it’s not a strong possibility that the abrasions on the shins were sustained at the time of the murder or the prosecution would have used that evidence against Luke. Did they?
MA you are not suppose to come to a conclusion and desperately fit the ‘evidence’ around it. You don’t present presumptions and assumptions as evidence. Hard facts are all that matter. The fact that you present little of them before coming to a conclusion suggests that you have already made up your mind and nothing, no matter how persuasive, will ever change that.
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Didn’t Anthony Busuttil examine Jodi Jones body?
Yes, I believe he did. Is it possible that Dr Kranti also examined Jodi's body (in addition to LM's)?
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Why would the police have sought a second opinion? Is that usual in a police investigation?
And no, it’s not a strong possibility that the abrasions on the shins were sustained at the time of the murder or the prosecution would have used that evidence against Luke. Did they?
What questions did Alan Turnbull ask dr Kranti Hiremath during the trial?
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MA you are not suppose to come to a conclusion and desperately fit the ‘evidence’ around it. You don’t present presumptions and assumptions as evidence. Hard facts are all that matter. The fact that you present little of them before coming to a conclusion suggests that you have already made up your mind and nothing, no matter how persuasive, will ever change that.
dr Kranti Hiremath was a gynaecologist not a skin specialist
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What questions did Alan Turnbull ask dr Kranti Hiremath during the trial?
“ Dr Kranti Hiremath, 49, said it was part of her duties as a forensic medical examiner to attend police stations and examine the victims of crime and suspects.
She said she had been called to Dalkeith police station in the early hours of 1 July, 2003, and had examined Mitchell.
He co-operated fully. She checked for any injuries, and saw an abrasion on each of Mitchell’s shins. The more recent was between 24 and 48 hours old. Mr Findlay asked: "There were no injuries that had the appearance of being received in the previous 12 hours?"
Dr Hiremath said: "No."
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Is it possible that Dr Kranti also examined Jodi's body (in addition to LM's)?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her second innocence fraud book IB, page 250
“..the doctor attended to pronounce death, all before 3am
Wouldn’t dr Kranti Hiremath have gone to the killer’s crime scene “to pronounce death” first?
What time was dr Kranti first called by the police?
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dr Kranti Hiremath was a gynaecologist not a skin specialist
She was a forensic medical examiner. Dr Busuttil is a pathologist.
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Why would the police have sought a second opinion? Is that usual in a police investigation?
And no, it’s not a strong possibility that the abrasions on the shins were sustained at the time of the murder or the prosecution would have used that evidence against Luke. Did they?
MA you are not suppose to come to a conclusion and desperately fit the ‘evidence’ around it. You don’t present presumptions and assumptions as evidence. Hard facts are all that matter. The fact that you present little of them before coming to a conclusion suggests that you have already made up your mind and nothing, no matter how persuasive, will ever change that.
Fair point, FL. My confirmation bias. It's very difficult not to speculate on such a complex circumstantial case, though. There are no clear facts in this case, other than a young teenager was murdered and she was due to meet her boyfriend the evening she was murdered. Everything elde is purely circumstantial. Even the theories & inferences put forward by experts in their respective fields were, fundamentally, 'professional guesses'.
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You don’t present presumptions and assumptions as evidence. Hard facts are all that matter.
dr Kranti Hiremath’s opinion regarding killer Luke Mitchell shin abrasions wasn’t a “hard fact”
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Fair point, FL. My confirmation bias. It's very difficult not to speculate on such a complex circumstantial case, though. There are no clear facts in this case, other than a young teenager was murdered and she was due to meet her boyfriend the evening she was murdered. Everything elde is purely circumstantial. Even the theories & inferences put forward by experts in their respective fields were, fundamentally, 'professional guesses'.
It is very hard not to speculate MA but speculation doesn’t serve truth.
Of course what doesn’t help are others spicing the pot with unsourced and dishonest claims. Just because something is stated in a vlog, blog or post does not make it true and we need to be very careful that we are not being used to construct a false narrative by giving these claims weight and repeating them on forums like this as if they are facts. There are those, on both sides, who push an agenda. Don’t take anything at face value, do your own research.
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Does anyone recall scammer Sandra lean speaking to that Silkman from Foulplay?
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Convicting A Murderer: Examines the Case But Not the Fraud that Sold It
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https://www.youtube.com/live/1DaFdBF4abk?si=Xhk4CwdAE-hkt01L
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Does anyone recall scammer Sandra lean speaking to that Silkman from Foulplay?
Scammer Sandra Lean spoke to that Dr Silkman from foulplay in 2021
“Convicting a murderer” have included some clips of “Dr Silkman” & others in their TV show
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Don’t take anything at face value, do your own research.
What did your research discover about the police tip off from Flip staff about sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell buying a replacement parka jacket 8 days after he had committed his murder?
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. Don’t take anything at face value, do your own research.
What did your research find out about the questions the police asked sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell about the others girls he had targeted and attacked with knives in the lead up to his murder?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/05/sexual-deviant-psychopathic-scottish-teen-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girls-knife-attacks-leading-up-to-his-murder-including-laura-wightman-kara-the-3-kimberley/
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Scammer Sandra Lean spoke to that Dr Silkman from foulplay in 2021
“Convicting a murderer” have included some clips of “Dr Silkman” & others in their TV show
At around 1:00:10 doff the 2021 foul play video Dr Silkman Aka the forensic gangster says to scammer Sandra Lean
“The DNA, the stuff that I’ve seen in your book, is complete junk, it really is junk”
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At around 1:00:10 doff the 2021 foul play video Dr Silkman Aka the forensic gangster says to scammer Sandra Lean
“The DNA, the stuff that I’ve seen in your book, is complete junk, it really is junk”
At around 58:58
Liquid sunshine crime - Sharon sunshine states in the comments
“Sandra looks at home on foul play”
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What did your research find out about the questions the police asked sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell about the others girls he had targeted and attacked with knives in the lead up to his murder?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/05/sexual-deviant-psychopathic-scottish-teen-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girls-knife-attacks-leading-up-to-his-murder-including-laura-wightman-kara-the-3-kimberley/
Obviously all these girls are liars that were induced by the press for financial gain. Just like the 100 witnesses who were called who all lied. Has anyone who was involved in the trial every spoken out that there were any doubts about the verdict? I've met 2 people who were there most days and neither had the slightest doubt about the verdict.
The LM campaign seems to rest on blaming various others; MK, Stocky Man 1 (SK) then Stocky Man 2 ([Name removed]) without credible evidence and various failed appeals and reviews. Oh but the Birmingham 6.....etc
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Oh but the Birmingham 6.....
Still haven’t proved their actual, factual innocence
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Obviously all these girls are liars that were induced by the press for financial gain.
None of these girls gained financially as far as I’m aware
The only people who have gained financially are scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
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OJust like the 100 witnesses who were called who all lied.
How many of the girls who sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell targeted and threatened with knives were named during his trial?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/05/sexual-deviant-psychopathic-scottish-teen-luke-mitchell-the-numerous-other-targeted-girls-knife-attacks-leading-up-to-his-murder-including-laura-wightman-kara-the-3-kimberley/
Who’s missing from this list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Derek Morris
65. Pathologist report for defence
66. Dc Adam Brunton
67. Jonathan Whitaker
68. Pc Anita Dow
69. Dc Stephen Livingston
70. DI Tom Martin
71. Dr Kranti Hiremath
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None of these girls gained financially as far as I’m aware
The only people who have gained financially are scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
I know, I was being ironic. It's the argument you hear that the girls must have been paid to lie about LM and that's why he's in prison as everyone apart from CM lied.
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The only people who have gained financially are scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
Forbes was off the mark from Day One trying to scam the Daily Record by setting up his pal MK. Is that why he hates the DR so much? Did he not get £1000 from them for naming him accidentally?
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I know, I was being ironic. It's the argument you hear that the girls must have been paid to lie about LM and that's why he's in prison as everyone apart from CM lied.
If they’d been credible witnesses then they’d have been called to give evidence in court. They weren’t…that tells you all that you need to know.
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If they’d been credible witnesses then they’d have been called to give evidence in court. They weren’t…that tells you all that you need to know.
Doesn't tell you anything. They were young teenage girls testifying against a male child murderer who had killed one of his girlfriends, most of whom had been in an intimate relationship with him. Please stop shaming everyone who dared speak out against LM. They can't all be wrong.
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How do we know these girls definitely weren’t called to give evidence in court?
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I know, I was being ironic.
But some people who read this forum may not have been aware of that
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Forbes was off the mark from Day One trying to scam the Daily Record by setting up his pal MK. Is that why he hates the DR so much?
Of course it is
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How do we know these girls definitely weren’t called to give evidence in court?
Well - there are definitely 29+ witnesses missing from this list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Derek Morris
65. Pathologist report for defence
66. Dc Adam Brunton
67. Jonathan Whitaker
68. Pc Anita Dow
69. Dc Stephen Livingston
70. DI Tom Martin
71. Dr Kranti Hiremath
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If they’d been credible witnesses then they’d have been called to give evidence in court. They weren’t…that tells you all that you need to know.
What girls names did the jury hear about whilst killer Luke Mitchell’s police interviews were played to the jury?
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Doesn't tell you anything. They were young teenage girls testifying against a male child murderer who had killed one of his girlfriends, most of whom had been in an intimate relationship with him.
Whilst he was also giving the impression he was in a relationship with Jodi Jones
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Doesn't tell you anything. They were young teenage girls testifying against a male child murderer who had killed one of his girlfriends, most of whom had been in an intimate relationship with him. Please stop shaming everyone who dared speak out against LM. They can't all be wrong.
None of the teenagers testified except Kimberley Thompson and she didn’t once claim that Luke had ever shown any violence towards her. We only know about the alleged attacks on the other girls because those girls chose to sell their stories to the tabloids. Some said that the police took statements from them which may be the case but they were never called to give evidence and as the case was purely circumstantial you would have thought evidence like that would be especially valuable in getting a conviction.
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None of the teenagers testified except Kimberley Thompson and she didn’t once claim that Luke had ever shown any violence towards her. We only know about the alleged attacks on the other girls because those girls chose to sell their stories to the tabloids. Some said that the police took statements from them which may be the case but they were never called to give evidence and as the case was purely circumstantial you would have thought evidence like that would be especially valuable in getting a conviction.
Can you prove anyone was paid by the tabloids? The same tabloids who Forbes tried to exploit, while you support him as a credible person as "he's seen (some of) the court papers". Have you even been to Dalkeith or spoken to anyone apart from Loony Tunes Lean?
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Some said that the police took statements from them which may be the case but they were never called to give evidence
Was their evidenve heard via sadistic killer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell’s evidence ?
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Can you prove anyone was paid by the tabloids? The same tabloids who Forbes tried to exploit, while you support him as a credible person as "he's seen (some of) the court papers". Have you even been to Dalkeith or spoken to anyone apart from Loony Tunes Lean?
Certainly none of the teenage girls quoted in the newspapers gave testimony in court. That’s the point. I’d be very surprised if they gave their story to the newspapers for free but anything is possible.
I’m not sure why you can’t seem to get beyond viewing those who support Luke’s innocence as one homogenous group who all think alike. It really is rather lazy.
And yes I have been to Dalkeith and while at the time of Luke’s conviction the people I spoke to mostly believed that the jury had got it right over the years that certainty has been slowly eroded and it appears that most people I speak to now are really rather ashamed that they’d been so gullible.
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Convicting A Murderer: Examines the Case But Not the Fraud that Sold It
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https://www.youtube.com/live/1DaFdBF4abk?si=Xhk4CwdAE-hkt01L
#ConvictingAMurderer Defames Steven Avery! 😂🤣😂
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https://www.youtube.com/live/Xt7Ot6pBp98?si=l6TN213lC8-mb7Ai
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#ConvictingAMurderer Defames Steven Avery! 😂🤣😂
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https://www.youtube.com/live/Xt7Ot6pBp98?si=l6TN213lC8-mb7Ai
Freeing Killers for Fun & Profit #MakingAMurderer
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https://www.youtube.com/live/IInH1Qyl3Ts?si=biAQiAeNQjgIvmM-
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Freeing Killers for Fun & Profit #MakingAMurderer
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https://www.youtube.com/live/IInH1Qyl3Ts?si=biAQiAeNQjgIvmM-
Steven Avery: Making A Martyr
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https://www.youtube.com/live/QvdBJX-wEQ4?si=Hej6-RriByJZoY8l
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Steven Avery: Making A Martyr
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https://www.youtube.com/live/QvdBJX-wEQ4?si=Hej6-RriByJZoY8l
Was the Fix In #StevenAvery #MakingAMurderer
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https://www.youtube.com/live/0NzHdCdapJ8?si=tx6aIfy9fCCnmlEt
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If you are aware of some of the history of this case you will know that there were and still are “weak DNA” profiles that “fitted” with Andrew Malkinson’s dna.
Paragraph 16 of the Appeal document stated, "There was no scientific evidence which could support the identification of the appellant. Although DNA profiles had been detected in samples recovered from C or her clothing, it was only possible to identify a major contribution from C herself, with no clear profile of any other donor. At the time of the police investigation and the trial, the limits of DNA analysis did not permit any further findings."
Paragraph 28 stated, "The key scientific findings may be summarised as follows. None of the additional testing provided any indication of DNA from the appellant on any of the samples. The findings therefore provided no support for the view that the appellant had been in contact with any of the items examined. However, all of the Y-STR DNA components detected could be accounted for by contributions from C’s partner and Mr B."
Mr. Malkinson did not contribute to the autosomal or YSTR profiles. Period.
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Was the Fix In #StevenAvery #MakingAMurderer
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https://www.youtube.com/live/0NzHdCdapJ8?si=tx6aIfy9fCCnmlEt
The Wrongful Accusations of Convicting A Murderer
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https://www.youtube.com/live/4ntajRaxHOM?si=Jm1KS2QTc13U5Em1
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Paragraph 16 of the Appeal document stated, "There was no scientific evidence which could support the identification of the appellant.
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“The appeals document”
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Is that the appeals document that stated Janine Jones lived with her mother Judith Jones
The appeals document that wrongly claimed Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:41pm
Appeals,courts have biased agendas
See violent rapist Andrew Malkinson’s appeal court judgement as another example
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In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?
Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.
Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?
Chris H -- care to comment on the above? Surely if SK's semen deposit was fresh they would have been able to tell? The rain would not have rendered it useless? What was the size of the staining on the t-shirt from where SK's full profile was obtained ?
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In layman's terms, what would've happened forensically if a person had deposited fresh semen at the locus, on Jodi's t-shirt or body? Given the way the crime scene was managed (i.e., the clothes & body being left uncovered for a full 8 hours, exposed to the open elements and periodic rainfall), would it have severely degraded the semen to the extent that it wouldn't have been able to be detected at all? I presume rainfall would degrade the semen to some extent, but not to the extent that no profile could be obtained, partial or otherwise?
Incidentally, I don't think the semen on the t-shirt was transferred from another item of clothing during a washing machine cycle; rather, I think it was transferred onto the t-shirt directly by SK (SK and Janine were in an intimate sexual relationship) and it survived the washing cycle. Jodi borrowed the laundered semen-stained t-shirt (she was obviously oblivious to the fact it was semen-stained) and the rainwater spread more of the semen to other clothing (her bra, for example) and parts of her upper torso as it lay there uncovered for hours. Likewise, LM's partial profiles could easily have gotten there innocently as he was in an intimate relationship with Jodi (this explains why his partial profiles from semen were present on Jodi's bra and body).Who's to say that Jodi wasn't wearing a laundered bra with LM's semen still embedded in it (it's well known that LM had sex with Jodi on Saturday 28.06.03)? Like I said, they were in an intimate relationship and having sex regularly. So many hypotheses and variables to consider. And there's the fact that her clothes were all bundled together in one big heap as opposed to the items of clothing being bagged separately. But, as I said, SK had a solid alibi for that evening (well, between 1600-2030 that evening) from his father and Janine herself (both Janine and SK were at SK's father's house for dinner netween 1600 - 2030 on 30.06.03). It's absurd that certain people think it's possible that Janine had anything to do with it.
Btw, what size was the semen stain where SK's full profile was obtained?
Let me confine myself to general comments for now. One, tests for body fluids or DNA do no give any indications about the age of the stain. With DNA one can say whether or not it is degraded by whether the peak heights are the same or slant downward moving left to right on an electropherogram, but the time that passed from deposition to sampling cannot be inferred. I do not recall having read information about degradation and body fluids offhand, but I worry about the risk of overinterpreting the data. Faintness of color might indicate some degradation, for example, but it might also indicate that not much of a given fluid was deposited in the first place. Taking blood as an example, luminol can detect blood that was poured onto the ground years later, even when there was no protection from the elements, including rain. Ideally one would study semen and clothing using controlled tests with and without rain, for example.
There was a partial (meaning that not all alleles were represented) profile from the bra, but it had at least three contributors. Under these circumstances and given the state of the art in 2004, I strongly doubt that this profile could have been resolved into three (or more) individual contributors, and Ms. Ure's words in this matter are ambiguous.
Let me make one other general point. Detection of DNA, detection of sperm, and detection of semen are separate tests. They have different sensitivities and different limitations. The results have to be assessed for each one individually. In addition, there are at least two classes of tests for semen, those that look for acid phosphatase and those that look for a protein called p30.
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Let me confine myself to general comments for now. One, tests for body fluids or DNA do no give any indications about the age of the stain. With DNA one can say whether or not it is degraded by whether the peak heights are the same or slant downward moving left to right on an electropherogram, but the time that passed from deposition to sampling cannot be inferred. I do not recall having read information about degradation and body fluids offhand, but I worry about the risk of overinterpreting the data. Faintness of color might indicate some degradation, for example, but it might also indicate that not much of a given fluid was deposited in the first place. Taking blood as an example, luminol can detect blood that was poured onto the ground years later, even when there was no protection from the elements, including rain. Ideally one would study semen and clothing using controlled tests with and without rain, for example.
There was a partial (meaning that not all alleles were represented) profile from the bra, but it had at least three contributors. Under these circumstances and given the state of the art in 2004, I strongly doubt that this profile could have been resolved into three (or more) individual contributors, and Ms. Ure's words in this matter are ambiguous.
Let me make one other general point. Detection of DNA, detection of sperm, and detection of semen are separate tests. They have different sensitivities and different limitations. The results have to be assessed for each one individually. In addition, there are at least two classes of tests for semen, those that look for acid phosphatase and those that look for a protein called p30.
What is your take on how SK's full profile was obtained from the t-shirt Jodi was wearing that night? What I mean is, how do you think his DNA got there? Transferred in the washing machine -- for example, one stained garment transferring his DNA onto another garment during a washing machine cycle? Or that his DNA was deposited directly onto the t-shirt and then survived a washing machine cycle? I think the latter is more likely, but, as per one of your links upthread, more research is needed in relation to the former in order that more accurate inferences/results can be drawn. What are your thoughts here, Chris? Let's not concern ourselves with wether or not Jodi had borrowed the stained laundered t-shirt from Janine and wore it on the night she was murdered, as I know you have indicated that you have your doubts that that happened.
Incidentally, I've always been under the impression that SK's full profile was obtained from semen on the t-shirt. Was it? Or was it blood? (SL indicates on p.101 from IB that it was blood.)
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Mr Apples,
Neither of your scenarios fits the data well. That is before we even consider whether either one is likely for other reasons. Direct transfer is a better fit to the data.
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Kerry Tremble Kevan
I was listening to the Bob Ruff podcast last night part 6 with Dr Lean & totally shocked to hear the part with SK screaming down the phone to the police along thelines "where the hell are you's, we phoned an hour ago" when that time frame hadn't passed & but seems to tie into the strange call claiming to be JuJ before jodi was even found.
Sandra Lean
It's very strange, Kerry. He said, in full, "We phoned them an hour ago.
There is nothing “strange” about the 10:45pm phone call to the police - this is when Judith Jones reported her daughter Jodi Jones missing
They were in the mother's house - they were supposed to be meeting us here." Let me compare that with all the other, known evidence.
(1) The police arrived in JuJ's house at 23.18. She told JaJ this on the phone. According to JaJ, she took that call while the search trio were still in "the complex" - still at least 5 mins from the entrance to the path, with (what should have been) no knowledge that they would be going DOWN the path or finding Jodi there.
Problems with SK's comments
There are zero “problems” with Steven Kelly’s comments
- this was only 26 minutes before his 999 call, claiming they called "an hour ago." No-one could have known "an hour ago"
Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm
what time the police would arrive at JaJ's house. There could have been no arrangement to "meet us here" (e.g. where Jodi was found) at 23.18 because (a) they weren't there and (b) no-one should have known that Jodi's body would be found, behind the wall, west of the V break, 15 minutes later.
(2). The first point at which the police had any clue where they were, or that "something" had been found, was in Luke's 999 call at approximately 11.35 and the almost immediate police call back at 11.38 to check their whereabouts.
Killer Luke Mitchell’s “whereabouts” was still on the other side of the wall - standing in his crime scene
These calls are 9 and 6 minutes, respectively, before SK's 999 call at 11.44. No arrangement could have been made for the police to "meet them there" at 11.35, because the police had no idea where "there" was. So, it could only have been in the 11.38 call that such an arrangement could be made.
This is yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s ramblef..kery
But, the first 2 - 3 minutes of that call are nothing but confusion -
Understandably
the police are at the opposite end of Lady path and the 999 operator is trying to figure out where Luke (and Luke alone - he doesn't appear to know there are others there)
Was killer Luke Mitchell still standing on the other side of the wall in his crime scene
Why didn’t he tell the 999 operator the other three were on the other side of the wall 🙄
is, in relation to where the two officers are. That takes us to at least 11.40 - just 4 minutes before SK's call saying there was an arrangement for the police to meet them "there."
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In reality, Luke has just finished telling them "we've found something" and the operator has just finished relaying "the laddie's in a bit of a panic - he's saying he's found something, he won't say what," when SK dials 999 and says, "It's a body - tell them it's a f**king body." So any "arrangement to meet" anyone at Roan's Dyke path
Steven Kelly did not say roans dyke path
was still in the process of being made at 11.44 when SK made his 999 call.
(3) How could the police be "supposed to be meeting us here" when they appeared to have no knowledge, whatsoever, that the other 3 searchers were there? Any arrangement, however confused, was to locate and meet LUKE,
No - killer Luke Mitchell said he would search the path then head to Judith Jones house 🙄
not a "search party". The only number they had was Luke's. The only reference they made in their calls with the operator was to Luke. The operator relayed Luke's call in the singular - he says, he's in a panic, he's found something. And, when they arrive at the V break, the first officer radios in " there are three other people here - the granny, the sister and the sister's boyfriend. I think HE's found it." So clearly, right up to the point where they arrive at the V break, those officers had no idea there was anyone other than Luke there. But SK would have the 999 operator
(and the rest of us) 🙄
The same Steven Kelly Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were pretending in 2010 was following Jodi Jones 🙄
believe there was an arrangement to meet THEM at the V "an hour ago"
Around “an hour ago” was when the police were first called
- 50 minutes before Jodi's body was found and before it was even confirmed that Jodi was actually "missing"
10:15pm-10:20pm is when Judith Jones first contacted killer Luke Mitchell
(since, exactly 59 minutes prior to that call, when the "mystery" call was being made reporting Jodi "missing", her mother had just started a call with Jodi's gran to check if Jodi had been at her gran's, instead of with Luke - she was still on that call while the missing person call was ongoing).
When you remember that every single one of them - JuJ, [Name removed], SK, JoF, AW - had Jodi "missing" before it was known she hadn't been with Luke (only JaJ got the original timing of her mother's call to the Gran's, looking for Jodi, correct), you really do have to wonder what the truth is.
Not if you know some of the basic facts you don’t Sandra
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The police were first called at 10:45pm - which would have been around “an hour ago”
Steven Kelly was correct
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995
This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.
How to make a request for a transcript
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Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995
This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.
How to make a request for a transcript
If you wish to make a request for a Criminal transcript, you can do so by emailing your request to transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk
Your email should specify the following:
the full name of the case
the court location where these proceedings were held
the court proceedings that you wish to be transcribed including the dates of same
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https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/supreme-courts/about-the-court-of-session/high-court/criminal-proceedings-transcripts#:~:text=Scotland)%20Order%201993.-,Criminal%20Procedure%20(Scotland)%20Act%201995,been%20held%20in%20open%20court.
TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her “keeping the record straight” video
”That makes me very sad
There was a point at which Jodi wondered if Luke was cheating on her
Not with Kimberley
Somebody else
And do you know what made her wonder about that
Her mum suggested it
There was another good friend that, female friend, that they went about with
All the time
And her mum suggested that maybe Luke had something going with the friend as well
Jo, eh Jodi approached both of them
They were both absolutely horrified
And reassured her that that was absolutely not the case”
Jodi Jones suspicions were correct!
Killer Luke Mitchell was “cheating on” Jodi Jones
Which Kimberly were you referring to Sandra?
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Ana Azalia
Ronnie Mothersole Yes - that's why we need the review! These questions that exist right now - we can't answer them ourselves, it would just be speculation.
And we shouldn't be trying to decide who is guilty or otherwise, that is the same as trying to solve the case - we can recognise that Luke's conviction was a farse, but we can't do the same to others, there needs to be more definitive proof/evidence and it needs to be done properly
It was done properly Ana - back in 2004/05 - only you weren’t there and didn’t t hear all the evidence
Sandra Lean also claimed she does not have all the evidence around telephone calls/text
See copy of Facebook post by Ana Azalia here
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Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/
It appears Ana Azalia has left the group
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This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.
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Kerry Tremble Kevan
I was listening to the Bob Ruff podcast last night part 6 with Dr Lean & totally shocked to hear the part with SK screaming down the phone to the police along thelines "where the hell are you's, we phoned an hour ago" when that time frame hadn't passed & but seems to tie into the strange call claiming to be JuJ before jodi was even found.
Sandra Lean
It's very strange, Kerry. He said, in full, "We phoned them an hour ago. They were in the mother's house - they were supposed to be meeting us here." Let me compare that with all the other, known evidence.
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The “known evidence” Sandra is that Judith Jones telephoned the police at around 10:45 pm to report her daughter Jodi Jones missing
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
7 January 2005
"Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"."
The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41. An earlier article from the same newspaper indicated that the time was 10:20.
The Herald were repeating what killer Luke Mitchell had claimed
The reporter for the Herald quoted killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence - they (and you & many others) failed to take into consideration Judith Jones evidence
Dc Alan Towers had read from killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement
10:41pm was the time the killer had told police he received Judith Jones text message - he lied!
“A text message to his mobile from Jodi's mother at 10.41pm the previous night first alerted him to the fact that something was wrong, he said”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409505.boy-friend-tells-how-dog-found-jodi-accused-said-he-recognised-girlfriends-bloody-body/
The jury heard the above evidence on Monday 20th December 2004
The jury had already heard Judith Jones evidence on Friday the 26th November - which was that she had sent a text to the killers mobile at 10:20pm
On Friday the 7th January 2005 the jury were told that killer Luke Mitchell had deleted Judith Jones text message
A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, a former girlfriend of Mr Mitchell's, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
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”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
“In a recent Podcast with Bob Ruff (Truth and Justice Podcast), some information was provided by a guest in relation to the availability of Luke Mitchell’s trial transcripts. It was stated that the transcripts are not available, would cost too much, only specified individuals could apply to obtain them and only with a specified reason.
Presumably the “guest” was scammer Sandra Lean
”This information contradicts the facts provided to myself directly by the Edinburgh High court, during a phone call. A friend also recently put a request in for the transcripts via e-mail, below is the information that we received, in relation to the statements made in the Podcast.
It appears more and more people are seeing through charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s lies
“[Said on the podcast (Guest): Even if we had money we wouldn’t get through those hoops to qualify to get them, but in terms of money it costs about £110 pounds per hour for transcription to get transcripts, now there were well over 200 hours of evidence in Luke’s case, transcripts take about 3 hours to transcribe per hour of evidence, so way over the £60,000 pounds mark, and given how things are right now I would much rather that money was spent on getting samples tested than going after transcripts that we can't get anyway so I just thought I'd throw that one in to begin.[/color]
What happened to the book donations Sandra? - which your 2nd innocence fraud book is still claiming - on page 378
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To An Organisation That Does Not Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
What is the total of these donated funds now Sandra?
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”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
”Said on the podcast (Bob/host): So, my understanding, even Luke’s defence does not have the transcripts?
Guest: No we have probably about 80% of the transcripts but we are bound we’ve got this purpose we use them for.
Bob/host: Right so you can't share them, you have them for to use in his legal defence?
Guest: That’s why I've been able to quote from transcripts, but like I said last time if I were to put the whole transcript up that’s where we cross the line unfortunately
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What complete and utter nonsense!
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”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
“Said on the podcast (Bob Ruff): So regardless of cost we couldn’t get them even if we had the money to get them?
Guest: No, so to give you an idea specified persons, specified class of person; the prosecutor, any person convicted, any other person named in or immediately effected by any order made by the court or any person authorised to act on behalf of any person, so there's two of them we could use but even if we do, we don’t have specified purpose.
What the court actually said: Anyone can apply for the transcripts, but not a convicted person, unless under specific circumstances.
More and more people are seeing through your bare faced lies Sandra
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The sister of Ashley Coutts mother's boyfriend lived with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell's father Philip Mitchell in Livingston and Ashleigh would sometimes visit Philip Mitchell’s house.
She may well have been the 11 year old girl killer Luke Mitchell also previously attacked with a knife
The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/glasgow-warriors-fans-will-need-some-convincing-that-danny-wilson-is-not-the-cut-price-option-1401861
The other Kimberley Thomson was apparently 11 years old when she “dated” killer Luke Mitchell
or it was the other Kimberley Thomson (the one who went on to become a model)
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“[Said on the podcast (Guest): Even if we had money we wouldn’t get through those hoops to qualify to get them, but in terms of money it costs about £110 pounds per hour for transcription to get transcripts, now there were well over 200 hours of evidence in Luke’s case, transcripts take about 3 hours to transcribe per hour of evidence, so way over the £60,000 pounds mark, and given how things are right now I would much rather that money was spent on getting samples tested than going after transcripts that we can't get anyway so I just thought I'd throw that one in to begin.[/color]
What happened to the book donations Sandra? - which your 2nd innocence fraud book is still claiming - on page 378
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
If scammer Sandra Lean is alleging she has about 80% of the trial transcripts - why didn’t she use £12,000 of the donations from her book sales to obtain the other 20%?
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Who’s missing from this list
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jone
4. Alice Walker
5. Steven Kelly
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Flaming
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell
25. Corinne Mitchell
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
50. Male teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54-56. 3 witnesses who supported Leonard Kelly’s evidence
57. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
58. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
59. Ben Sole
60. DI Tom Martin
61. Dc Rory Hamilton
62. David Stirling
63. David Suttie
64. Derek Morris
65. Pathologist report for defence
66. Dc Adam Brunton
67. Jonathan Whitaker
68. Pc Anita Dow
69. Dc Stephen Livingston
70. DI Tom Martin
71. Dr Kranti Hiremath
Did Steven Kelly’s father give evidence during the trial?
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If scammer Sandra Lean is alleging she has about 80% of the trial transcripts - why didn’t she use £12,000 of the donations from her book sales to obtain the other 20%?
Lean's lies and elaborate mistruths are gradually being dismantled over a number of social media outlets without reply.
She will always have the support of a few conspiracy theorists and deluded goths, but her mistake in letting Forbes off the leash has backfired when they can't agree basic timelines, yet he claims she fact checked his book.
She is quite happy for this to rumble on as long she can keep in the albeit diminishing public eye, aye.
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Lean's lies and elaborate mistruths are gradually being dismantled over a number of social media outlets without reply.
She will always have the support of a few conspiracy theorists and deluded goths, but her mistake in letting Forbes off the leash has backfired when they can't agree basic timelines, yet he claims she fact checked his book.
She is quite happy for this to rumble on as long she can keep in the albeit diminishing public eye, aye.
Yep - and many more people are seeing through Sandra Lean’s bare faced lies
She’s lost more of her moderators and admins on that Facebook group by the looks of it and I don’t suppose it’ll be too long before the trial transcripts are finally published
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Kerry Tremble Kevan
I was listening to the Bob Ruff podcast last night part 6 with Dr Lean & totally shocked to hear the part with SK screaming down the phone to the police along thelines "where the hell are you's, we phoned an hour ago" when that time frame hadn't passed & but seems to tie into the strange call claiming to be JuJ before jodi was even found.
Sandra Lean
It's very strange, Kerry. He said, in full, "We phoned them an hour ago.
There is nothing “strange” about the 10:45pm phone call to the police - this is when Judith Jones reported her daughter Jodi Jones missing
They were in the mother's house - they were supposed to be meeting us here." Let me compare that with all the other, known evidence.
(1) The police arrived in JuJ's house at 23.18. She told JaJ this on the phone. According to JaJ, she took that call while the search trio were still in "the complex" - still at least 5 mins from the entrance to the path, with (what should have been) no knowledge that they would be going DOWN the path or finding Jodi there.
Problems with SK's comments
There are zero “problems” with Steven Kelly’s comments
- this was only 26 minutes before his 999 call, claiming they called "an hour ago." No-one could have known "an hour ago"
Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm
what time the police would arrive at JaJ's house. There could have been no arrangement to "meet us here" (e.g. where Jodi was found) at 23.18 because (a) they weren't there and (b) no-one should have known that Jodi's body would be found, behind the wall, west of the V break, 15 minutes later.
(2). The first point at which the police had any clue where they were, or that "something" had been found, was in Luke's 999 call at approximately 11.35 and the almost immediate police call back at 11.38 to check their whereabouts.
Killer Luke Mitchell’s “whereabouts” was still on the other side of the wall - standing in his crime scene
These calls are 9 and 6 minutes, respectively, before SK's 999 call at 11.44. No arrangement could have been made for the police to "meet them there" at 11.35, because the police had no idea where "there" was. So, it could only have been in the 11.38 call that such an arrangement could be made.
This is yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s ramblef..kery
But, the first 2 - 3 minutes of that call are nothing but confusion -
Understandably
the police are at the opposite end of Lady path and the 999 operator is trying to figure out where Luke (and Luke alone - he doesn't appear to know there are others there)
Was killer Luke Mitchell still standing on the other side of the wall in his crime scene
Why didn’t he tell the 999 operator the other three were on the other side of the wall 🙄
is, in relation to where the two officers are. That takes us to at least 11.40 - just 4 minutes before SK's call saying there was an arrangement for the police to meet them "there."
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In reality, Luke has just finished telling them "we've found something" and the operator has just finished relaying "the laddie's in a bit of a panic - he's saying he's found something, he won't say what," when SK dials 999 and says, "It's a body - tell them it's a f**king body." So any "arrangement to meet" anyone at Roan's Dyke path
Steven Kelly did not say roans dyke path
was still in the process of being made at 11.44 when SK made his 999 call.
(3) How could the police be "supposed to be meeting us here" when they appeared to have no knowledge, whatsoever, that the other 3 searchers were there? Any arrangement, however confused, was to locate and meet LUKE,
No - killer Luke Mitchell said he would search the path then head to Judith Jones house 🙄
not a "search party". The only number they had was Luke's. The only reference they made in their calls with the operator was to Luke. The operator relayed Luke's call in the singular - he says, he's in a panic, he's found something. And, when they arrive at the V break, the first officer radios in " there are three other people here - the granny, the sister and the sister's boyfriend. I think HE's found it." So clearly, right up to the point where they arrive at the V break, those officers had no idea there was anyone other than Luke there. But SK would have the 999 operator
(and the rest of us) 🙄
The same Steven Kelly Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were pretending in 2010 was following Jodi Jones 🙄
believe there was an arrangement to meet THEM at the V "an hour ago"
Around “an hour ago” was when the police were first called
- 50 minutes before Jodi's body was found and before it was even confirmed that Jodi was actually "missing"
10:15pm-10:20pm is when Judith Jones first contacted killer Luke Mitchell
(since, exactly 59 minutes prior to that call, when the "mystery" call was being made reporting Jodi "missing", her mother had just started a call with Jodi's gran to check if Jodi had been at her gran's, instead of with Luke - she was still on that call while the missing person call was ongoing).
When you remember that every single one of them - JuJ, [Name removed], SK, JoF, AW - had Jodi "missing" before it was known she hadn't been with Luke (only JaJ got the original timing of her mother's call to the Gran's, looking for Jodi, correct), you really do have to wonder what the truth is.
Not if you know some of the basic facts you don’t Sandra
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The police were first called at 10:45pm - which would have been around “an hour ago”
Steven Kelly was correct
TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Scammer Sandra Lean is now labelling Judith Jones’s 10:45pm telephone call to the police, to report her daughter Jodi Jones missing, as a “mystery call”?!
She’s also concocted a second “stocky” man
And this blog 👇 has been written by someone who obviously supports the killer but the author has recognised one of Sandra Lean’s bare faced lies
”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
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Lean's lies and elaborate mistruths are gradually being dismantled over a number of social media outlets without reply.
She will always have the support of a few conspiracy theorists and deluded goths, but her mistake in letting Forbes off the leash has backfired when they can't agree basic timelines, yet he claims she fact checked his book.
She is quite happy for this to rumble on as long she can keep in the albeit diminishing public eye, aye.
‘A number of social media outlets? Like the BBC or Channel 5 you mean? No, of course you don’t. You mean WTF and Nicholas’s stream of consciousness blog, don’t you?
‘when they can't agree basic timelines’…back to WTF and Nicholas again? Nicholas believes Judith’s first phone call to Luke was at 10.20 while WTF has it pegged at 10.40 ( the actual time).
Of course we also have the two Americans Brown and Glass but it’s obvious from listening to even a few minutes of their vlogs that they don’t have a true understanding of the intricacies of this case.
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‘A number of social media outlets? Like the BBC or Channel 5 you mean? No, of course you don’t. You mean WTF and Nicholas’s stream of consciousness blog, don’t you?
‘when they can't agree basic timelines’…back to WTF and Nicholas again? Nicholas believes Judith’s first phone call to Luke was at 10.20 while WTF has it pegged at 10.40 ( the actual time).
Of course we also have the two Americans Brown and Glass but it’s obvious from listening to even a few minutes of their vlogs that they don’t have a true understanding of the intricacies of this case.
Are the BBC or Ch5 social media? The fact remains Lean & Forbes have contradicted themselves despite quoting each other and are unable to confirm basic "facts" that they claim support their claim that someone else committed the murder. Keep clinging onto Lean's (or Forbes) coat tails. If that's LM's best hope then he is destined to be locked up for the rest of his days.
But what about the moped boys witness and the Birmingham si.........
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Nicholas believes Judith’s first phone call to Luke was at 10.20
No I don’t
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while WTF has it pegged at 10.40
No he doesn’t!
The picture of the mobile phone clearly displayed the time as being 10:20pm
At around 9:03 here ➡️ https://youtu.be/OcedqPxuR9k?feature=shared
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No I don’t
Apologies that should have been text.
‘Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm - he waited 18 to 20 minutes to call Judith’
Of course everyone, but Nicholas, agrees that it was 10.40.
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Apologies that should have been text.
‘Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm - he waited 18 to 20 minutes to call Judith’
Of course everyone, but Nicholas, agrees that it was 10.40.
Scammer Sandra Lean claims it was 10:38
“At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog, Mia, out for her last walk of the evening, Luke received a text from Judith’s phone, clearly intended for Jodi” p.37 (IB)
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Apologies that should have been text.
‘Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm - he waited 18 to 20 minutes to call Judith’
Of course everyone, but Nicholas, agrees that it was 10.40.
Scammer Sandra Lean
10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40) and was the call in which it was agreed by all parties that both Judith and Luke discovered that Jodi had been out of contact for almost six hours. p.138 (IB)
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If that's LM's best hope then he is destined to be locked up for the rest of his days.
Is the prison service monitoring killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - especially in relation to females - including his sister?
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Killin' Time 14-The C Word(not that one)
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https://youtu.be/MLjcV2ZvZz4?feature=shared
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Scammer Sandra Lean claims it was 10:38
“At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog, Mia, out for her last walk of the evening, Luke received a text from Judith’s phone, clearly intended for Jodi” p.37 (IB)
In 2017 scammer Sandra Lean had “the known facts” of killer Luke Mitchell taking Mia the dog out for a walk at 10:20pm-10:30pm
“Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html?PHPSESSID=k0k3qqrjq8iql4l3p74bsg2430#msg386928
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Scammer Sandra Lean claims it was 10:38
“At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog, Mia, out for her last walk of the evening, Luke received a text from Judith’s phone, clearly intended for Jodi” p.37 (IB)
In 2017 scammer Sandra Lean had “the known facts” of killer Luke Mitchell taking Mia the dog out for a walk at 10:20pm-10:30pm
“Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html?PHPSESSID=k0k3qqrjq8iql4l3p74bsg2430#msg386928
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Beth Wodzinski
I know this is obvious but I honestly really wish that Luke hadn't taken Mia with him that night as he wouldn't have been alerted to where Jodie was!!
Sandra Lean
To make matters worse, it was Luke's mum who insisted he take the dog for "safety" - so incredibly sad, in hindsight.
Danielle Bbarclay
Janette Scott When Luke left to help out his mum wasn't aware anything bad had even happened she insisted he take Mia so he wasn't alone. My son is twelve and I think my dog would be better protection for him rather than me if he was out and something bad happened. Just so sad a caring and worried mum (corrine) who had done everything a good loving mum would do and yet she is the one who they painted as bad mother. Sickens me every small detail in this case :(x
Scammer Sandra Lean’s above statement was made 6 days ago
Corinne Mitchell stated to James English in May 2019 she told killer Luke Mitchell to take Mia out for her last walk of the day to “save” her legs
Now scammer Sandra Lean has re-written history yet again
The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41
Going by scammer Sandra Leans timing and “known facts” Killer Luke Mitchell should have been out of his by 10:41pm with his brother Shane’s torch
In reality there is no evidence any of the above actually happened
Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm
Where was the killer at this time and what was he doing and did he already have Mia and a torch with him when he was seen by the neighbour at 10:00pm ?
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Nicholas believes Judith’s first phone call to Luke was at 10.20
Sandra Lean stated during her “keeping the record straight” video (at around 20:26) that Judith Jones tried to phone killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm - she then texted his mobile at 10:20pm
Why would killer Luke Mitchell be taking Mia the dog out for a walk to “save” Corinne Mitchell’s legs after Judith Jones’ text message?
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Sandra Lean stated during her “keeping the record straight” video (at around 20:26) that Judith Jones tried to phone killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm - she then texted his mobile at 10:20pm
Why would killer Luke Mitchell be taking Mia the dog out for a walk to “save” Corinne Mitchell’s legs after Judith Jones’ text message?
I’d advise everyone to watch the clip mentioned by the poster above. It is obvious from the context that Dr Lean meant 11.17 not 10.17.
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Sandra Lean stated during her “keeping the record straight” video (at around 20:26) that Judith Jones tried to phone killer Luke Mitchell at 10:17pm - she then texted his mobile at 10:20pm
Why would killer Luke Mitchell be taking Mia the dog out for a walk to “save” Corinne Mitchell’s legs after Judith Jones’ text message?
I’d advise everyone to watch the clip mentioned by the poster above. It is obvious from the context that Dr Lean meant 11.17 not 10.17.
Steven Kelly, Alice Walker & Janine Jones saw killer Luke Mitchell on the path at 11:14pm
There was no mention by any of them that killer Luke Mitchell’s phone rang at 11:17pm
Comparing TIMELINES - FACTS Vs The Murderer, His Mother & Armchair Detective Sandra Lean’s LIES Around Timings (Part 259)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/18/killer-luke-mitchell-comparing-timelines-facts-vs-the-murderer-his-mother-armchair-detective-scammer-sandra-leans-lies-around-timings/
Sandra Lean’s “keeping the record straight” video was pre recorded and edited - if she had meant 11:17 as you claim - she would have changed this time during the edits
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Comparing TIMELINES - FACTS Vs The Murderer, His Mother & Armchair Detective Sandra Lean’s LIES Around Timings (Part 259)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/18/killer-luke-mitchell-comparing-timelines-facts-vs-the-murderer-his-mother-armchair-detective-scammer-sandra-leans-lies-around-timings/
Sandra Lean had killer Luke Mitchell at the Newbattle entrance of the path at 10:59pm and by 11:05pm the killer could see Janine Jones, Steven Kelly and Alice Walker
How long did it usually take killer Luke Mitchell to walk this distance?
How long did it take killer Luke Mitchell to walk from his house to the Newbattle entrance of the path?
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Sandra Lean
“Luke called Mrs Jones back at 10:40pm to say he had not seen Jodi all evening”
The above was posted on the now deleted WAP website - reproduced here
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
7 January 2005
"Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"."
The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41.
The above is misinformation by the Herald reporter
There was no text message sent at 10:41pm reading “2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke”
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Sandra Lean from p.378-379 of her second innocence fraud book IB;
“Corinne did not understand much of the legal technicalities in Luke’s case. Again, that is not a criticism of Corinne - I’ve met so many people whose loved ones have been wrongly convicted and whose focus remains on what the system should have done. I was different, in that I hadn’t had the emotional trauma of having someone I loved treated that way, so I was able to step back and take a more analytical approach. But it was the difference in understandings about the legal technicalities, in particular, that led to so many misunderstandings and disagreements about how to proceed
In July that year, I received the SCCRC’s decision in the mail stating that they would not be referring the case back to the Court of Appeal. It was a shattering blow and brought the already fragile relationship between myself and Corinne to breaking point. Less than two weeks later, after eleven years working relentlessly on Luke’s behalf, I arrived home on the day of my daughter’s birthday to a note, hand-delivered through my letterbox. It stated simply that Power of Attorney, granted to me several years earlier to allow me access to documents and individuals related to the case, was revoked with immediate effect.
As a result, the website set up to campaign for Luke had to be taken down. So long as I had access to the case papers, I could back up everything I put out publicly on the site – without that access, I left myself and the Wrongly Accused Person organisation that hosted the site, wide open to allegations of dishonesty and even legal challenge. It was a difficult development to accept, pushing me to the brink of mental and emotional collapse. Everything, it seemed, had been for nothing.
As stated in the below;
Comparing TIMELINES - FACTS Vs The Murderer, His Mother & Armchair Detective Sandra Lean’s LIES Around Timings (Part 259)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/18/killer-luke-mitchell-comparing-timelines-facts-vs-the-murderer-his-mother-armchair-detective-scammer-sandra-leans-lies-around-timings/
Sandra Lean’s statement;
“So long as I had access to the case papers, I could back up everything I put out publicly on the site – without that access, I left myself and the Wrongly Accused Person organisation that hosted the site, wide open to allegations of dishonesty and even legal challenge”
was and is complete and utter nonsense!
Sandra Lean would have known that the moment she published any material online, regardless of whether she removed it at a later date, she could and would still be “wide open to allegations of dishonesty and even legal challenge”.
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Sandra Lean 17th February 2017 here
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386436.html?PHPSESSID=k0k3qqrjq8iql4l3p74bsg2430#msg386436
“Mayfield, via the route I explained earlier, Mayfield by the circuitous route, the takeaway at the end of the Easthouses Road (unlikely - the family used the takeaway in the centre of the Easthouses road and often had their food delivered), Newtongrange, or Newbattle by the circuitous route. She could have cut through the street where GD lived on the circuitous route to Newbattle, or gone through the school grounds and across the school playing fields towards where GD lived - in short, the only person she is believed to have known in that direction is GD and there is nothing of any substance to suggest she would have planned to go to GD's house. If she was heading towards Mayfield, she generally took the route through the complex - she would have gone to her Gran's or her cousin YW's flat, just across the road from her Gran's, where JF said he was when he saw the search trio leaving to look for Jodi.
Firstly, it's a claimed identity, and that's as far, I think, as we can go definitively with that. Secondly, (and I recommend Google streetview, Parkhead Place for this next bit) he was behind her - if she had come up onto the main Easthouses road at the junction with Maryburn Road, and her follower had not wanted her to know he was following, he could have gone up the first set of steps onto the Easthouses Road, emerging behind her without her knowing he was there. It's a busy road at that time of the evening - I don't imagine she would have heard someone walking in trainers behind her over the noise of the traffic - unless she'd specifically looked behind, she would have had no reason to know there was anyone behind her, "following" or not.
If Stocky Man had, for example, said he was going to the takeaway for food, he would have headed for the top set of steps onto the Easthouses Road, as those are the nearest steps to the takeaway. From that point, Jodi emerging onto the Easthouses Road further down, either at the second set of steps, or the junction with Maryburn Road, would have been in clear view. One of the witnesses said Stocky Man was just before the bus stop (presumably the one on the same side of the road as Jodi and Stocky Man)- for that to be the case, he had to have been on the Easthouses Road prior to the bus stop.
Witness statements purportedly outlining Jodi's movements that night claimed she must have gone up the second set of steps, or onto the Maryburn junction because she "didn't pass the window" of her house. That always struck me as strange - what reason would Jodi have had to walk in the opposite direction to where it was claimed she was headed (passing the window of her house would have meant she had to turn left, leaving her garden). Even if it had been claimed that Jodi was believed to be heading for Woodburn that night (which was never claimed, but just for completion), she still would not have "passed the window" - she would have turned right, up the steps (2nd set), and waited for the bus at the same bus stop Stocky Man was seen following her.
Bottom line, whether she was going to YW's, her Gran's, Luke's or Woodburn there would have been no reason for her to "pass the window" - so why did the witnesses make such a big deal about that?
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And now Sandra Lean has concocted a second “stocky” man
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Steven Kelly, Alice Walker & Janine Jones saw killer Luke Mitchell on the path at 11:14pm
There was no mention by any of them that killer Luke Mitchell’s phone rang at 11:17pm
How many times did killer Luke Mitchell switch off his mobile phone on the 30th June and/or put it on silent and/or vibrate only?
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Judith Jones and her "baby" 👶 👇 Did she know [Name removed] was infact the last known person to see her REAL baby - a 14 year old CHILD - alive 🤔
@PoliceScotland
Luke Mitchell did NOT murder Jodi Jones!!!
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1714841773002850567
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
[Name removed] 👇 confessed to murdering his 14 year old sister Jodi Jones. Why was this not taken seriously
@PoliceScotland
🤔 Why isn't this your headline
@Daily_Record
🤔 If Joseph is the murderer he has to face justice.
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1715444857865461847
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Sep 30
Judith Jones 👇 on the day of Jodi's funeral. Is that a black eye she's sporting 🤔 Does [Name removed] 👇 have a bruise on his face 🤔 Joseph was known for beating his sisters and stabbed his mother Was this another altercation 🤔
@PoliceScotland
Luke Mitchell is innocent
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1708243286551392647
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Sep 7
Replying to
@jools_4773
@StinsonHunter
and 2 others
[Name removed] 👇 The last person identified as seeing Jodi Jones alive was 'Stocky Man' aka [Name removed] 🤷♀️
@PoliceScotland
you have his SISTER Janine Jones working as a WPC she committed perjury at Luke Mitchell’s trial.
https://twitter.com/suzyhal35224037/status/1699757773456580742
Is this the same Suzy from the JB forum?
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Statements by Sandra Lean from 27th June 2021
So I’ve made out most of you would have seen or heard about the statement that was posted yesterday I didn’t see it myself until about 4 o’clock yesterday after I was out in an area with erm very poor signal so lots of you were trying to contact me and I could see there were messages coming in but I couldn’t actually open them to see what they were about erm just as well you did because had you not sent the information to me I would have known nothing about it because I’m blocked from the group that it was posted on So thank you everybody that tried to get to me yesterday I did finally find out what it was all about at about 4 o’clock yesterday afternoon
So I’ve explained before the difference between what families want to do and what I in my professional capac capacity can do in these cases and I totally understand the anger and frustration that people experience when I say things like we can’t do this or we can’t say that or we can’t do it this way or the consequences if we do it that way will be I I fully fully understand that but it’s always conveyed with the best interests of the convicted person at heart both now and in the future and and that’s I’m continually thinking where will this go in 5 years 10 years or whatever but I can’t tell anybody what to do you know I can make suggestions based on my knowledge and experience but everybody has the right to make their own decisions of course they do I’ve never never suggested otherwise it’s just that sometimes the consequences of those decisions have an impact on other things
So to the statement I’m not gonna address the whole thing because there’s no need I think the message was fairly self evident erm I spoke with Luke the day before this statement was posted and a great deal of what was in the statement didn’t come up in that conversation at all and what did come up wasn’t discussed in the tone or the interpretation that the statement would suggest so yet it came as a little bit of a surprise to me as well the day after erm I’d had a conversation with Luke I knew decisions were being taken about the direction of the campaign but not anything like what was said in the statement
There are two points I want to address firstly to the people who told lies about me and who then went on to misrepresent parts of the conversation he and I had on Friday that is and will always be between you and your conscience
The other aspect the most important in all of it that I have to address the statement now just let me yeah there was a claim that Luke advised me that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately the implication being that I release them Luke said nothing of the sort and even if he had I could not have accepted such an instruction I’ve explained before that the difficulties with making public certain documents so not only would putting some of those documents in the public domain be an offence in Scotland it would also have or could also have an impact on Luke’s case in the future on my professional position and on the other cases that I work with
Now if it’s reached the stage that Luke or his family or his some of his supporters don’t are less concerned about the consequences for Luke’s case I accept that I fully understand that but I can’t allow those potential consequences to then impact on other people especially people currently with live proceedings so I hope I hope people understand I’m not being difficult I’m not being difficult
There are ramifications real consequences if I were to put those documents out now if those documents are gonna be made public then it will be somebody else who will put them out and I just hope that person whoever they are is ready to take the consequences of those actions both for Luke and for themselves (sic)
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Updated blog, Luke Mitchell's trial transcripts - who can apply for them?
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html…
1:20 PM · Oct 23, 2023
https://twitter.com/AliceIrvine3/status/1716608959207948792
Alice Irvine
@AliceIrvine3
Wow this is good news then we can get the transcripts from the court it's just going to cost a bomb hopefully this can be done.
1:14 AM · Oct 24, 2023
https://twitter.com/AliceIrvine3/status/1716608959207948792
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's also possible to purchase specific sections/parts!
1:21 AM · Oct 24, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
@BobRuffTruth
@michellesings
10:39 PM · Oct 20, 2023
Alice Irvine appeared in “Convicting A Murderers” on rapists and killers Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey
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Why did Matt Elliott choose to edit his video down so it didn’t include Sandra Lean standing there with her hand out?
And did Matt Elliott do this of his own accord or was it suggested to him by someone that he edit out fraudster Scott Forbes and the delay in the handshake between Russel Findlay and Sandra Lean?
Looks like Matt Elliott is no longer making his film
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
I wonder how many actually understand how a narrative is ‘adopted’ by the prosecution and fed to the jury…
Did this happen in Luke Mitchell’s case?
ABSOLUTELY!
@AuldM
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
@SandraLean5
@Naomi_TV
@Jerome_Elaut
#justiceforlukemitchell
9:44 am · 14 Dec 2022
Auld Mick
@AuldM
Replying to
@mattelliottphot
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
and 4 others
The police and prosecutor worked hand in hand. If any witnesses gave evidence contrary to police narrative, they were ignored, smeared or bullied. Evidence that questioned the narrative was hidden or destroyed
9:47 am · 14 Dec 2022
Matthew Elliott is a ‘super-fan’ of psychopathic and sadistic child killers
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Happy Birthday
@damienechols
I hope it doesn’t come and leave on silent feet.
4:45 pm · 11 Dec 2022
Matt Elliott (and Donna) helped Innocence Fraud promoter and grifter Bob Ruff with his podcast instead
Suspect Sandra Lean got in contact with Bob Ruff after listening to his first episode
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Stuart Henderson
Most Likely not the Most original thought i have had about the case but i'll throw it out there to see what gets said...
The Moped was right against the V....
Would really help JF and GD climb and get over eh...
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”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”
https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html
It appears Ana Azalia has left the group
Looks like Ana Azalia has recognised Sandra Lean is a bare faced liar
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
We've had confirmation from the court that they are in the process of converting the tapes from Luke Mitchell's trial to digital copies. There is 40 days of evidence that could be transcribed, at a cost for the transcription work!
#JusticeforLukeMitchell
#JusticeforJodiJones
5:31 PM · Oct 10, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1711781538382168079
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I’d advise everyone to watch the clip mentioned by the poster above. It is obvious from the context that Dr Lean meant 11.17 not 10.17.
Steven Kelly, Alice Walker & Janine Jones saw killer Luke Mitchell on the path at 11:14pm
There was no mention by any of them that killer Luke Mitchell’s phone rang at 11:17pm
Comparing TIMELINES - FACTS Vs The Murderer, His Mother & Armchair Detective Sandra Lean’s LIES Around Timings (Part 259)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/18/killer-luke-mitchell-comparing-timelines-facts-vs-the-murderer-his-mother-armchair-detective-scammer-sandra-leans-lies-around-timings/
I was wrong about the 11:14pm timing
However, Sandra Lean’s “keeping the record straight” video was pre recorded and edited - if she had meant 11:17 - why didn’t she correct this before publishing her video?
Updated TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Killin' Time 15- Out to Launch
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https://youtu.be/SvCCz0ebGi4?feature=shared
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“Mitchell's mum Corinne is calling for the knife to be tested, and yesterday she removed files from the Glasgow office of the Miscarriages of Justice Organisation (Mojo) claiming they hadn't done enough.
She says that she is trying to find a new lawyer to launch a fresh appeal with the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC).
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/luke-mitchell-supporters-want-kitchen-16444615
What was the name of the person who allegedly found this knife?
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I’d advise everyone to watch the clip mentioned by the poster above. It is obvious from the context that Dr Lean meant 11.17 not 10.17.
Charlatan Sandra Lean Has Zero Credibility, Her Continuous Lies & Gaslighting, Including About Innocent Steven Kelly, Cara Sulieman’s 2010 Article For Deadline News & The Defunct WAP Website & Un-Convicted Baby Killer Billy Middleton (Part 7)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-7/
From scammer Sandra Lean’s book No Smoke which contained an alleged 👆🏽“one typo” 👆🏽
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
“Initial press reports stated that Jodi had left home at around 5.30pm that afternoon. She was not positively identified at any point until her body was found at approximately 11.15 that night.
“Luke was positively identified, by some schoolboys who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street in Newbattle
Didn’t Grant Elliot, Dean Houston and Andrew Holburn all state killer Luke Mitchell was standing ?
Who said the killer was “sitting on a wall”?
The Herald reported on Andrew Holburn “He said they saw Mr Mitchell standing at an entrance to a driveway” and “standing at a break in the wall”
And on Grant Elliot - “..said the accused was still standing at the same spot when he made his return journey home”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
Here
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
it stated on Dean Houston, Andrew Holburn and Grant Elliot “….they saw a young man standing at the entrance to the Roan's Dyke path.
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“Why, knoWing Jodi hadn't been where she was supposed to be nearly an hour after shewas supposed to arrive did Judy wait another 40 minutes after Jodi was supposed to arrive home before contacting Luke?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330707.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg330707
Judith Jones texted killer Luke Mitchell at 10:20pm
Why did killer Luke Mitchell wait 18-21 minutes before he telephoned Judith Jones?
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“…the info in 'this post you can see it's entirely possible Jodi could have returned home from wherever she was Whitten like called, and got into a fight with her mum.
“…last line should read " when Luke called
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330707.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg330707
This sounds like yet more of your projections Sandra
“Ok, for clarity (and about the millionth time) I am not accusing anyone of anything”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg330987.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg330987
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Scammer Sandra Lean https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331193.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331193
6th October 2015
“The DNA on Luke's trousers was actually on a pair of trousers which had been in a bag in his room for several days - there was nothing to connect those trousers to the murder/murder scene
Scammer Sandra Lean from her second innocence fraud book IB p.106
October 2018
..the only “evidence” found was a single DNA profile for Jodi from a tiny sample on a pair of trousers not worn on the day of the murder – it could not even be ascertained how old the sample was
Scammer Sandra Lean (p.196)
The DNA to which this expert referred was, in fact, on another pair of trousers taken from Luke’s home – there was no way of telling how long the DNA trace from Jodi had been there
Scammer Sandra Lean from her 7th March 2021 YouTube video at around 8:58
7th March 2021
“They were still in the hold-all from the previous week-end”
Fraudster Scott Forbes from p.24 of his nonsense of a book
Jodi Jones’ DNA was found on a pair of trousers belonging to Luke Mitchell. The trousers were in a holdall at his father’s house in Livingston, a home he hadn't been to for at least a fortnight prior to the murder of Jodi. The evidence was, therefore, deemed irrelevant and agreed to be dismissed.
How could you possibly know when killer Luke Mitchell hid his trousers in that bag Sandra?
What did witnesses say killer Luke Mitchell wore to school that day?
Fake “Lawyer” Scott Forbes Confirms Murderer Had NOT Stayed At Father Philip Mitchell’s House “For Weeks” (Part 253)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/12/killer-luke-mitchell-fake-lawyer-scott-forbes-confirms-murderer-had-not-stayed-at-father-philip-mitchells-house-for-weeks-part-253/
Scammer Sandra Lean & The DNA On The Murderers Trousers Hidden In A Bag (Also Referred To As A Hold-All) “From The Previous Weekend” (Part 260)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/20/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-the-dna-on-the-murderers-trousers-hidden-in-a-bag-also-referred-to-as-a-hold-all-from-the-previous-weekend-part-260/
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Fraudster Scott Forbes from p.24 of his nonsense of a book
Jodi Jones’ DNA was found on a pair of trousers belonging to Luke Mitchell. The trousers were in a holdall at his father’s house in Livingston, a home he hadn't been to for at least a fortnight prior to the murder of Jodi. The evidence was, therefore, deemed irrelevant and agreed to be dismissed.
When you fact checked fraudster Scott Forbes book Sandra - why didn’t you amend the above - it’s yet another bare faced lie!
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“There was no "missing" knife - the whole missing knife thing was a massive smokescreen used to introduce confusion and suspicion.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331441.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331441
David High saw killer Luke Mitchell with a brown wooden handled Jack Pyke knife that day http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4066537.stm
By the 4th July 2003 when police searched for it in and around killer Luke Mitchell home it was missing Sandra
It’s still “missing”
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Sandra Lean had killer Luke Mitchell at the Newbattle entrance of the path at 10:59pm
How long did it usually take killer Luke Mitchell to walk this distance?
How long did it take killer Luke Mitchell to walk from his house to the Newbattle entrance of the path?
”It would take an absolute minimum of 16 minutes to get from the Easthouses end to the Newbattle end without stopping off..”
👆🏽Scammer Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton from 2010 here 👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
“Official police timings - the end of Luke's street to the Newbattle entrance to the path - 5 mins at a brisk pace. The path itself, 11 mins at a brisk pace. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331825.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331825
So by 11:15pm killer Luke Mitchell should have reached the other end of the path by your timings Sandra
Why wasn’t the killer at the end of the path by 11:15pm Sandra?
“See when you’re behind a German shepherd, you move fast, I mean you have no choice, you move fast, I was always a fast very walker but Luke was a really fast walker, so he was young, fit and behind a German shepherd, moving very, very fast ~ Corinne Mitchell to James English
By the official police timings of walking that path killer Luke Mitchell should have been at the Easthouses end by 11:10pm
Alice Walker, Steven Kelly and Janine Jones didn’t see his torch light until gone 11:20pm
They had to wait a further minute or two before they reached him apparently - and the three of them were already past the junction of the path where it splits off to roans dyke path and lady path
“Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html?PHPSESSID=k0k3qqrjq8iql4l3p74bsg2430#msg386928
And why did it take killer Luke Mitchell so long (39 minutes - depending on what version of your timings you go by) to reach the Newbattle end of the path (if he was ever on his phone at 10:59pm), if he received Judith Jones text message at 10:20 - 10:30 as you claimed in February 2017 Sandra?
Over Half an hour!
What exactly was killer Luke Mitchell doing in this half an hour to 40 minutes Sandra ?
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6th October 2015
“The DNA on Luke's trousers was actually on a pair of trousers which had been in a bag in his room for several days - there was nothing to connect those trousers to the murder/murder scene
How exactly were killer Luke Mitchell’s trousers concealed in that hold-all Sandra?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her second innocence fraud book p.235
“He had gone to one of the local stores to buy alcohol – either Morning Noon and Night (the store where Corinne stopped to buy cigarettes on her way home and where the boys on pushbikes, who recognised Luke sitting on the wall at the end of his street, were captured on CCTV footage around ten to six) or Eskbank Trading, a convenience store in the opposite direction.
What was the time stamp of the CCTV for when Corinne Mitchell was in Morning Noon and Night buying cigarettes and alcohol Sandra? (confirmed by Corinne Mitchell during her 2011 MOJ speech)
“The timings of movements for Luke’s family were scrutinised to the second” ~ Sandra Lean
And what time exactly (as opposed “around”) did the time say regarding “the boys on pushbikes”?
Why have you claimed in your nonsense of a book that Dean Houston, Grant Elliot and Andrew Holburn saw killer Luke Mitchell “sitting on the wall at the end of his street” Sandra?
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Scammer Sandra Lean p.329
“…one of the tabloids ran a story about Luke and Corinne having a “stand up fight” during a prison visit.
Was this from when Corinne Mitchell confronted her son who she knew was a guilty murderer?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell claim to James English that Judith Jones was “organising a search party” Sandra?
and then claim to James English
“When Luke got to the top of the path, the plan was, he had arranged with Judy that he would meet Judy at their house to go over friends phones number that Judy probably wouldn’t have”~ Corinne Mitchell
Why would killer Luke Mitchell have Jodi Jones friends phone numbers?
What phones numbers did the police retrieve from the killers phone Sandra and how many of the numbers belonged to Jodi Jones friends?
Why didn’t Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell drive killer Luke Mitchell to Judith Jones’s house?
Janette Scott
I wouldn’t have allowed my 14 year old boy to go out alone so late at night in a remote location I’d have gone with him or driven him to the Jones home to hand over the phone numbers of friends then taken it from there. All of Jodi’s family should have been out searching except the mum who should have stayed home phoning all the friends and awaiting her return home or news of her having been found. It all stinks!
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 6th October 2015
"The jury heard both sides" ... oh no, they most certainy did not. What about the education professional who was ready to give testimony that the scribblings on Luke's jotters were "tame" in comparison to many she'd seen over the years?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331193.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331193
What did the “education professional” make of killer Luke Mitchell’s “pain and suffering” story Sandra?
“Just because I am more violent than others and cut myself, does that justify some pompous git of a teacher to refer me to a psychiatrist? Just because I have chosen to follow the teachings of Satan doesn’t mean I need psychiatric help.” ~ killer Luke Mitchell
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a manager from Flip in Edinburgh contacted the police to tell them about LM buying that green army parka on 08.07.03 (tellingly, it seems to be constant that the Mitchells never offered any info of their own volition, but, rather, they were found out/caught out).
Scammer Corinne Mitchell claimed to James English that her killer son Luke Mitchell had said the replacement parka jacket was in the sale
What did the shop staff say about this “sale” allegation?
Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2015
“the police had the receipt
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331465.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331465
The police were tipped off by staff from Flip in Edinburgh
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James English to Corinne Mitchell
“What time did they roughly say Jodi was murdered
Corinne Mitchell to James English
“It keeps changing
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Corinne Mitchell to James English
“I wasn’t allowed in the trial, I was kept till the very very last day to give my evidence, I wasn’t allowed in
Corinne Mitchell gave evidence on the 13th and 14th of January 2004 which was not the “very, very last day”!
Natalie Wright, Raymond McCloy, James Aitken, DCI Ronald Miller, Dr Kranti Hiremath, Marion O’Sullivan & Derek Hamilton all gave evidence after liar Corinne Mitchell
TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderer Luke Mitchell’s Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell request copies of the trial transcripts?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 6th October 2015
“Janine said she knew from the "concern in Luke's voice" that he had found something bad behind the wall. She said "His eyes were wider than normal, like he was in a state of shock
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331196.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331196
Did killer Luke Mitchell do that thing with his eyes that you do in some of your videos Sandra?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2018
“Campaigning to free a murderer?" Can we get a little bit real here? My daughters were12 and 13 at the time of Jodi's murder. The eldest went to Newbattle High School, and the youngest was going there that autumn. We lived just 10 minutes walk from Newbattle High. Do you honestly believe a mother in those circumstances, in an area where a 14 year old girl has been so brutally murdered, would campaign to free "the murderer" right back into her own community, putting her own daughters, their friends, and every other young girl in the area at risk?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331441.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331441
Most definitely!
You demonstrated this when you moved un-convicted baby killer and sexual deviant Billy Middleton into your home Sandra!
You appear to put your needs before the needs of your daughters!
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2015
“You may think what you like, but there was a lot of work and soul searching which went into my involvement in this case.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331441.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331441
Why didn’t you attend killer Luke Mitchell’s trial Sandra so you could hear the evidence first hand for yourself?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2015
“I do not believe there was justice for Jodi or her family obtained here - they were lied to, manipulated and misled from the off - that's a pretty disgusting way to treat a grieving family
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331441.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331441
“I know there’s no avoiding causing more pain to Jodi’s family I know that~ Sandra Lean to James English (May 2019)
You did not know Jodi Jones Sandra - why the pretence?
It’s you who has been lying Sandra - relentlessly!
And many of the people you’ve been lying to are slowly starting to see through you.
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Don't know. It's not in the public domain -- although we have context of her appearance as a crown witness from the following:
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Ground of appeal 6. My phone won't let me copy and paste the contents of that ground of appeal.
Scammer Sandra Lean - 6th October 2015
“The "expert" raising the trousers/dna evidence was challenged by Findlay to explain, clearly and lucidly to the jury, the relevance of the "evidence" just raised.
Amidst much waffling, the expert was forced to concede that the trousers/dna could not, in any way, be linked to the murder, the murder scene, or to draw any assumption, however feeble, of a link between the two.
It was, in fact, the "expert" who broke the rules here, and Findlay who stomped all over it. Finday handled that particularly well - he didn't "feel he had to explain it away" - he demonstrated, quite clearly, that the "expert" was making false claims about the relevance of the DNA sample on the trousers
However, an objection had been raised to that false evidence being heard by the jury, on the basis that it was prejudicial and without foundation, and that objection was over-ruled - the jury heard it anyway, in its full prejudicial form. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331215.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331215
“..did you know the actual legal position is that it's not for jurors to decide which witnesses they understand, they are simly asked to decided which witnesses they believe - that's why the evidnce from the forensics expert is so important - even if the jury did not understand the intricacies of DNA evidence, if they believed this witness, that's all that's needed to convict, even though she was taking utter rubbish in what could be seen as a cynical attempt to get the jury to believe that an unconnected DNA sample was, in fact, important.
Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2015
“From memory, yes, she was the "professional" who tried to claim that there was DNA from Jodi "connected to" a pair of trousers belonging to Luke - thankfully Findlay pointed out that those trousers, were not connected to the murder, therefore the "link" was non existent.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331462.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331462
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 8th October 2015
“All stored in my head - not sure if that's a blessing or a curse! As I said previously, I'm only commenting here as a member of the public - not in any "official" capacity - but I have this strange ability to remember dates, times, small details, etc, from stuff I've seen/studied, so a lot of what I'm able to post is based on that.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331524.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331524
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 11th October 2015
“There was a second call between Luke and David High - don't have the time or direction of the call to hand - will come back to you on this - Luke had wandered into the Abbey grounds, from memory, one called the other saying "where are you" because the meeting point was an area where there was a bridge, but there were, in fact two bridges. (Having since checked out the area, there are several bridges, so I can only assume that Luke and David each knew of "a" bridge, and initially assumed each other was talking about the same bridge.)
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331825.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331825
During that heavy down pour of rain ?
Were you claiming killer Luke Mitchell was late meeting up with David High Sandra?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 11th October 2015
10.38 - Judith texts Luke.
10:40 Luke calls back - second try, call did not connect first time
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331825.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331825
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You claimed the 10:41pm call by killer Luke Mitchell “did not connect” Sandra!
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
7 January 2005
"Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"."
The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41.
Again - Judith Jones’ text message was sent at 10:20pm - this was also Judith’s evidence during the trial
And evidence killer Luke Mitchell has never appealed on!
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Scammer Sandra Lean to scammer Shaun Atwood (aired 12th July 2021)
“It was claimed that Jodi was killed at 5:15 … very precise time here
By who Sandra?
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Ana Azaria
Rachel Roll It surprises me that the Police didn't seem bothered about the bike being heard, and the appeal document distanced the moped boys from the scene. If the moped boys had to push their bike up the path after the engine cut out - at what point was it at the V? before, or after LK heard the sounds? JF said the engine wasn't running when it was at the V - was this after it had cut out? That would surely mean it was after LK heard those sounds - and IF he really did hear the murder, how did the boys not see anything?
Rachel Roll
Ana Azaria Exactly, it makes you think about who was where and when.
LK's evidence was led on the same day as AB's with the aim being to show the jury, that they could make the assumption that Luke was at the Easthouses end of the path and in the company of Jodi at roughly 4:54pm.
LK's evidence was led to show that there was a witness to a 'strangling' type sound coming from the other side of the wall at roughly 5:15pm.
Putting the two together the jury could infer that it was Luke and Jodi that AB saw and it was the murder taking place that LK heard therefor the time of death was 5:15pm, remember there was no forensically ascertained time of death, it was largely based on what LK said he heard and when.
Far too much weight was given to AB and LK's witness evidence. LK's statements evolved over time from, he said he felt like he was being treated like a suspect and pressured to tell the police what they wanted to hear. Given the way that the appeal judges described the way the police behaved while questioning Luke I can absolutely imagine LK being pressured.
If LK's estimated time was wrong or if he didn't hear what he finally said he heard, that throws up more questions surrounding the moped boys and any other estimated time of death would mean it was impossible for it to have been Luke.
DF gets a lot of stick but he did point these things out to the Jury.
Ana Azaria
Rachel Roll Exactly. If he heard the sounds before 5.15pm, then the moped would have been seen at the v break after that. If LK did hear the murder before 5.15pm, the boys would have seen something. But if he heard the sounds after 5.15pm, then that makes an already impossible time frame for it to have been Luke, even less possible. And the moped boys didn't say how long they stayed behind the V. If the murder happened say, at 5.20pm, Luke was seen looking normal, with no blood on him at 5.50pm, no wet hair, wearing different clothing to these 'witness' descriptions. Half an hour for a prolonged attack, moving a body, and making the 7 minute minumum journey home to change and wash, ask his mum to burn a jacket, then make his way to the wall to be seen by boys from school, all in less than 30 minutes? I don't believe it.
Ana Azalia doesn’t appear to believe Sandra Lean anymore - she’s left the Facebook group and Rachel Roll is now acting as Sandra’s mouthpiece
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Scammer Sandra Lean to scammer Shaun Atwood (aired 12th July 2021)
“It was claimed that Jodi was killed at 5:15 … very precise time here
By who Sandra?
It was during this video with charlatan Sandra Lean where that scammer Shaun Attwood also referred to killer and rapist Steven Avery
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Shaun Attwood
“Where was Luke when this happened
Sandra Lean
“When
Shaun Attwood
“At 5:15pm where was Luke
Sandra Lean
“He was, he was at eh home cooking dinner for his mum and his brother, which he did
Shaun Attwood
“And they were all in there with him
Sandra Lean
Erm after 5:15 yeah, but they didn’t accept, they didn’t accept the alibi. They said his mum and his brother were lying to cover up for him
Shaun Avery
“That’s exactly what they said about Steven Avery. They said he drove from where he was, in a record amount of time, he couldn’t have possibly got to the crime scene ‘cos he was with his family and they were all liars
This 👆🏽is in relation to Avery’s attack on Penny Beernsten. His family members were indeed impeached “in numerous ways”
“In his own defense, Avery testified that he could not have been at the scene of the assault at the time it occurred. He presented numerous witnesses who testified in support of this claim. According to Avery’s family, he was assisting in a cementing project at his father’s house just prior to the time the incident occurred. However, as the State’s brief points out, the testimony of Avery and his alibi witnesses was impeached in numerous ways. In addition, at the postverdict motion hearing, the trial court recalled the “powerful” evidence that Avery referred to the victim as a female prior to being told the gender of the victim by the police. Despite the number of Avery’s alibi witnesses, we do not view this case as “extremely close.”
https://cases.justia.com/wisconsin/court-of-appeals/1996AP003027-(1997-09-03).pdf?ts=1396152308
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 17th October 2017
“Helping out with the family business?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg332429.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg332429
Yet you lied to the people you are choosing to dupe Sandra and told then killer Luke Mitchell had never had a job!?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated on the 23rd July 2023 - referring to killer Luke Mitchell;
“..a 35 year old man
Who has never driven a car
Let me see I’ve got a list of what he’s never done
He’s never driven a car
Had a job
He drove his mother Corinne Mitchell car Sandra - at 14/15 years old - ask Grace McLean
Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 17th October 2015
“Why would I do that? I had two girls just about Jodi's age, living in exactly the area the murder happened, going to school 500 yards from where the body was found.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg332429.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg332429
“the body” was 14 year old Jodi Jones Sandra!
Didn’t “unicorn princess” live with her father?
Similar to killer Luke Mitchell - you appear to be a risk taker and put your own needs first!
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 17th October 2015
“Someone made a phone call from Luke's home landline to Scotts caravans during this period - we know where his mother, brother, grandmother and father were, so who do you suppose made that call? His brother did not "dispute" Luke's whereabouts initially, as I've explained elsewhere. Mother and brother both ate dinner when mother came in from work - who do you suppose cooked the dinner they ate, or did it somehow make itself?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg332429.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg332429
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It was during this video with charlatan Sandra Lean where that scammer Shaun Attwood also referred to killer and rapist Steven Avery
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Shaun Attwood
“Where was Luke when this happened
Sandra Lean
“When
Shaun Attwood
“At 5:15pm where was Luke
Sandra Lean
“He was, he was at eh home cooking dinner for his mum and his brother, which he did
Shaun Attwood
“And they were all in there with him
Sandra Lean
Erm after 5:15 yeah, but they didn’t accept, they didn’t accept the alibi. They said his mum and his brother were lying to cover up for him
Shaun Avery
“That’s exactly what they said about Steven Avery. They said he drove from where he was, in a record amount of time, he couldn’t have possibly got to the crime scene ‘cos he was with his family and they were all liars
This 👆🏽is in relation to Avery’s attack on Penny Beernsten. His family members were indeed impeached “in numerous ways”
“In his own defense, Avery testified that he could not have been at the scene of the assault at the time it occurred. He presented numerous witnesses who testified in support of this claim. According to Avery’s family, he was assisting in a cementing project at his father’s house just prior to the time the incident occurred. However, as the State’s brief points out, the testimony of Avery and his alibi witnesses was impeached in numerous ways. In addition, at the postverdict motion hearing, the trial court recalled the “powerful” evidence that Avery referred to the victim as a female prior to being told the gender of the victim by the police. Despite the number of Avery’s alibi witnesses, we do not view this case as “extremely close.”
https://cases.justia.com/wisconsin/court-of-appeals/1996AP003027-(1997-09-03).pdf?ts=1396152308
Sandra
Why did you tell that psychopathic scammer Shaun Attwood Jodi Jones was 10 years old when her father committed suicide - then change to her being 9 years old and go on to give the impression that around this time Jodi was living with her mother and brother and mothers partner - when in reality they were all living with Alice Walker and Allan Ovens wasn’t around at this time
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How old was your elder daughter when she went to live with her father Sandra?
Was she 8 years old?
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Scammer Sandra Lean to scammer Shaun Atwood (aired 12th July 2021)
“It was claimed that Jodi was killed at 5:15 … very precise time here
By who Sandra?
Psychopath Shaun Attwood to scammer Sandra Lean
“There are people in this world who like to insert themselves into cases
He knows Sandra!
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 17th October 2015
Anyay, Luke's father wasn't "absent" - Luke spent every weekend with him
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg332429.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg332429
Yet more bare faced lies!
Fake “Lawyer” Scott Forbes Confirmed Murderer Had NOT Stayed At Father Philip Mitchell’s House In Livingston “For Weeks” (Part 253)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/12/killer-luke-mitchell-fake-lawyer-scott-forbes-confirms-murderer-had-not-stayed-at-father-philip-mitchells-house-for-weeks-part-253/
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Sandra Lean stated
This is really interesting Ingold Wood - this is before Jodi was named (so has to be the morning of July 1st) - he says, "She never arrived and, about 10 o'clock, the family became aware of this and later called the police." Like almost everybody else, he's out by 30 - 45 minutes - "the family" (actually Judith) didn't become aware until 10.42pm - the others didn't become aware until 10.46pm at the earliest. Is it just me or is the impression being given here that between 10pm and when they called the police, efforts were being made to trace Jodi??? And if so, why did he think that, within hours of Jodi's body being found?
Sandra Lean
Ingold Wood Dobbie gave away a lot of his preconceptions and biases in the interview after Luke was convicted, saying things like "..all he did was make me more suspicious. In the interview he was confident and very controlling. He displayed a high level of intelligence," and
"…He was challenging. He was totally in control of himself and challenged the abilities and authority of the police. It was like taunts. He had the mental ability to sit and take control of the interview, and that‟s incredible from someone who has not previously been part of the criminal process…."
Who really believes a 15 year old, never in trouble with the police before, would react this way to three grown men whose behaviour, according to the court of appeal, was "outrageous and to be deplored" and who, according to Donald Findlay, had "lost it?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg651345#msg651345
If killer Luke Mitchell was out of his house by 30-45 minutes (from 10pm) then why did it take him so long to get to the start of the path?
Shouldn’t he have been there by 10:35pm-10:50pm at the latest Sandra?
And where have you conjured up your 10:42pm time from?
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated on the 23rd July 2023 - referring to killer Luke Mitchell;
“..a 35 year old man
Who has never driven a car
Let me see I’ve got a list of what he’s never done
He’s never driven a car
Had a job
He drove his mother Corinne Mitchell car Sandra - at 14/15 years old - ask Grace McLean
13 years earlier scammer Sandra Lean had stated on the WAP website
“He worked part time for his mothers business
See second paragraph under “behaviour & knives”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
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Ross Heggie - 27th September 2023
Something just struck me today. I understand the agreement made between LM and JuJ on the night of June 30th was that he was coming to go over phone numbers of other young people who may have known where [Name removed] was.
So when the search trio meet Luke at the top of the path, none of them mention this and prompt him to go onto JuJ's to go through the numbers in his phone, while they searched the path? I think this might be a pretty big clue that the search trio hadn't left from JuJ's house. They didn't know that this was the arrangement because they weren't in the house with JuJ when she spoke to L on the phone.
Anyone able to verify this? I may have got some details wrong?
Sandra Lean
It's an interesting question, Ross Heggie. It might simply be that, in the chaos and panic, JuJ simply didn't mention about Luke coming to check out possible contacts for other friends. Remember, JuJ's claim was that she didn't know how Luke and the other searchers had come to meet up, and the other searchers tried to claim, initially, that it was they who made direct arrangements to meet Luke at the path. Those claims, of course, were dropped when the phone logs showed there was no communication between any of them and Luke prior to the discovery f Jodi's body. When Alice was asked, at trial, why they went to the path, she said, "We just did." So nowhere, in any of their statements, did any of them claim (reliably) that the search trio had been told anything about Luke being on the path.
But, to the question of whether or not this rules them out of being in JuJ's house, rather than AW's, before they left for the path. I don't think it takes us in one direction or the other. The stance of all of them, by default, is that, by the time the search trio left - wherever they left from - they did not know that Luke was coming up the path. If that's not the case, and they did know, then there's something huge missing from their evidence and statements, which would simply lead us to the question, what was missing? Without the answer to that, we can't know for sure where they left from, other than that it can't have been from AW's house on foot at the time they said it was, because they could not have made it to the top of the path in time to get there before Luke arrived there.
Kath Green Seath Jodi's gran claimed in a statement that they'd arranged, either by phone or text, to meet Luke halfway up/down the path. Phone logs later showed there was no communication between any of the searchers and Luke that night, so there's no way such an arrangement could have been made.
You are quoting killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence Ross Heggie - what was said during the trial about this?
Other than Laura Wightman - What telephone numbers of Jodi Jones friends do you think killer Luke Mitchell would have had that Judith Jones didn’t?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 11th October 2015
10.38 - Judith texts Luke.
10:40 Luke calls back - second try, call did not connect first time
Source 👇
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg331825.html?PHPSESSID=uif285m980pnbl6b1u3802u654#msg331825
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You claimed the 10:41pm call by killer Luke Mitchell “did not connect” Sandra!
Again - Judith Jones’ text message was sent at 10:20pm - this was also Judith’s evidence during the trial
And evidence killer Luke Mitchell has never appealed on!
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd nonsense of a book on page 164;
“The logs detailing calls from the mobile being used by Judith were clearly incomplete because they stopped at 22.41 on June 30th 2003
Sandra Lean claimed killer Luke Mitchell’s 10:41pm call to Judith Jones “did not connect”
Why was killer Luke Mitchell phoning Judith Jones at 10:41pm?
And what time was the killers next call to Judith Jones if the 10:41pm call “did not connect”?
And why would killer Luke Mitchell be phoning Judith Jones at 10:40pm if she did not send her text message until 10:41pm?
Scammer Sandra Lean - October 2018
“10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40)
Killer Luke Mitchell was speaking to Judith Jones at 10:41pm
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
7 January 2005
"Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm[/b] from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"."
The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41. An earlier article from the same newspaper indicated that the time was 10:20.
The “earlier article” by the Herald had reported Judith Jones’s evidence from the trial - which incidentally killer Luke Mitchell has never contested!
Why? Because he can’t!
Judith Jones’s evidence was backed up with supporting documentation presented by other witnesses during the killers trial (Which again scammer Sandra Lean did NOT attend!)
If fraudster Sandra Lean had saved up those “donated profits” from books sales she could have obtained the trial transcripts for the witnesses who’s transcripts she clearly does not have (How much exactly has Sandra Lean raised from “donated profits” since October 2018-Oct 2023 & what happened to Innocents Betrayed Ltd & the accountants she was in contact with - referred to here ➡️ https://youtu.be/SvCCz0ebGi4?feature=shared ?)
How could Judith Jones text message have been sent at 10:41pm as reported by the Herald?
If Judith Jones sent a text message at 10:41pm, wouldn’t killer Luke Mitchell have then called back at around 10:41/10:42pm - giving him time to find his phone, read his message etc
Where has scammer Sandra Lean got 10:38pm from?
Scammer Sandra Lean - Page 138 (betraying the innocent)
“10:38pm: The initial text message, sent from Judith’s mobile to Luke’s, intended for Jodi - “Right Toad, 2 weeks grounding, say bye to Luke”
Show me a media article that has printed the time of 10:38pm
Again - the year before carney Sandra Lean published her book, she was claiming killer Luke Mitchell received Judith Jones text message between 10:20-10:30pm while he was allegedly out walking Mia
In 2017 scammer Sandra Lean had “the known facts” of killer Luke Mitchell taking Mia the dog out for a walk at 10:20pm-10:30pm
“Here are the known facts - Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.) He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 - it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
Source 👇
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html?PHPSESSID=k0k3qqrjq8iql4l3p74bsg2430#msg386928
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The “known facts” in 2017 were (and still are) that killer Luke Mitchell received Judith Jones text message between 10:20-10:30pm
It is not a “known fact” that the killer was out walking his dog Mia! This was what Luke Mitchell claimed he was doing - there is zero evidence to support this!
He was seen near his house at just gone 10:00pm by Nicholas Frankland
For 14 years charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean had Judith Jones’ text message being sent between 10:20-10:30pm
When then did Sandra Lean change this time for her book?
The same book in which Sandra Lean states the profits of said book are being donated to an organisation that does not exist!
Page 378 (betraying the innocent)
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice,
Judith Jones sent killer Luke Mitchell a text message intended for her daughter Jodi Jones at 10:20pm - why then did the killer wait so long before phoning Judith Jones?
IMPORTANTLY - killer Luke Mitchell told the police in his 22 page 1st July 2003 written statement that it was his mother Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion that he go out pretending to look for Jodi Jones
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This is what charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean stated in August 2009 under Jigsawman
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A Timing Puzzle
Thread Started on Jun 4, 2009, 1:26pm
As another anniversary of Jodi's death draws near, I have a question which has puzzled me for a very long time. Can anyone figure this out?
Judith called Luke back at 10.49pm, to say she had called round all of Jodi's friends, she was nowhere to be found, and she (Judith) was calling the police.
Luke responded that he would go out looking for Jodi up the path, and if he didn't find her, he would make his way to Judith's house. The call lasted less than 2 minutes.
Luke got the dog and the torch, and set off immediately. It takes 7 - 8 minutes, at a brisk pace (police timings) to get to the entrance to the path, and 10 - 15 mins to walk the length of the path.
By these timings, Luke would have reached the "bend" in the path which allowed him to see all the way to the Easthouses end at 3 minutes past 11 at the latest. He would have reached the "halfway" point of the path at 8 mins past 11.
Both the other members of the search party and Luke's statement agree that they spotted each other as he came round the bend on the path - I include the halfway point purely for reference.
So far, so good.
But the phone records show that the search party accepted a landline call at the Grandmother's house at 6 minutes past 11, following which they gathered jackets, torches, etc, and set off to search for Jodi.
Even allowing for the latest timings, both parties spotted each other either at 3 mins past 11 (just after the bend) or at 8 minutes past 11 (if it was the halfway point.) Either way, the family members of the search party were "waiting" for Luke - they were already there as he rounded the bend.
How can this be? How can they be taking a call at the grandmother's house at 6 mins past 11, and be at the top of the path at either 3 mins past 11 or 8 mins past 11? Quite simply not possible. Even allowing for the 8 minutes past timing, the call to the landline started at 6 mins past 11, allowing only 2 minutes for the call to be concluded, the gathering of stuff required, the setting off, cutting through playing fields, etc etc etc, to arrive there before Luke did.
The appeal judges then state, categorically, that the search party had "set off from Jodi's house, just a few minute's walk from the beginning of the path" even though the case had always been that they left from the Grandmother's house in Mayfield, around a mile away.
Then there's the mystery of why Judith should agree that Luke should search the path *&^^& Corrine Mitchell Suggested To Her Killer Son That He Go Out & Pretend To Look For Jodi Jones (Killer Luke Mitchell’s 1st July 2003 22 Page Written Witness Statement) and the family search party making straight for the path, without even considering looking anywhere else, when every last one of them claimed Jodi was not allowed to use the path on her own and would not have done so.
Timeline
10:17pm - Judith Jones Attempted To Telephone Killer Luke Mitchell
10:20pm - Judith Jones Texted Killer Luke Mitchell
Corrine Mitchell Suggested To Her Killer Son That He Go Out & Pretend To Look For Jodi Jones (Killer Luke Mitchell’s 1st July 2003 22 Page Written Witness Statement)
10:21pm - Judith Jones Rings Round Some Of Jodi Jones Friends
10:41pm - Killer Luke Mitchell Claimed His First Call To Judith Jones “did not connect”
10:42pm - Killer Luke Mitchell Waited Over 20 Minutes Before Calling Judith Jones
10:45pm - Jodi Jones Was Reported Missing To The Police
11pm: Alice Walker, Janine Jones & Steven Kelly Left Alice’s House To Search For Jodi Jones
2009: Scammer Sandra Lean “It takes 7 - 8 minutes, at a brisk pace (police timings) to get to the entrance to the path, and 10 - 15 mins to walk the length of the path”
2010: Scammer Sandra Lean ”Official police timings - the end of Luke's street to the Newbattle entrance to the path - 5 mins at a brisk pace. The path itself, 11 mins at a brisk pace” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
I feel for the ones who don't realize they are in an online cult. I've seen this in so many online communities. Essentially the fact that anyone to stand up and say something contradicting the leader is set upon by the other cult members.
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https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1716573835506438281
Is this about scammer Sandra Lean?
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Sandra
Why did you tell that psychopathic scammer Shaun Attwood Jodi Jones was 10 years old when her father committed suicide - then change to her being 9 years old and go on to give the impression that around this time Jodi was living with her mother and brother and mothers partner - when in reality they were all living with Alice Walker and Allan Ovens wasn’t around at this time
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How old was your elder daughter when she went to live with her father Sandra?
Was she 8 years old?
Sandra Lean
“I've never heard that she was claimed to have been self-harming from the age of 8 - that would have been round about the age she was when her dad died. I know she struggled for her first two years at high school - I always assumed the self-harm began in that period.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452139.html#msg452139
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452140.html#msg452140
From 8 years old to 10 years old
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The problem I'm incurring just now, is the reason and motive behind individual pieces of selective information. Are some simply errors, a practice of being caught up in misleading information, not fully releasing falsehoods but distracting away from the truth, that others are searching for, The list goes on ending with prevaricate-(to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie.
Another commonly used word for this same behavior is to fudge, meaning to disingenuously avoid or talk around an issue.) Throughout each piece/response of information given and or replied to, I am putting out different scenarios as to why this may be depending on the individual, subject at hand.
I previously mentioned an example around the search party (trio) in ths case. The impression put out that they set out solely to head directly to the path, bypassing YW's house en route, which is a physical impossibility. I received an interesting response, to use in said work.
[🌟 Dr Sandra Lean replied to michael hamilton's comment
Dr Sandra Lean:
Peter Parkinson I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that [Name removed]'s statement was the only evidence supporting "walking past Yvonne's flat without checking" - as I wasn't entirely sure of the meaning of your post, I asked if that ([Name removed]'s statement) was the aspect to which you referred. I'm not entirely sure what your study is aiming to achieve, but I'd urge caution - without the full facts, you cannot possibly infer "word/information/play to add weight to the story" - in this instance, for example, you have made the unfortunate error of assuming I have "based this part on full trust of said witness." ]
Having no knowledge of said statement, I had found the reply interesting and asked why she put trust in JF on this occasion. The above reply to that question and trust issue, gives the impression (not assumption) that there are more witnesses to testify to this fact? If so, why still state the search party walked directly to the path? The reply above appear to have been removed from Ms Leans personal You Tube video, comments section.
[🌟 Dr Sandra Lean replied to michael hamilton's comment
Dr Sandra Lean
Peter Parkinson Do you mean when John [Name removed] said in his police statement he was looking out of Yvonne's window and he saw the search trio walking past Yvonne's flat on their way to the path]
No it’s intentional - Aimed at causing confusion - which can lead to stress, anxiety and fatigue
Narcissists are renowned for this type of behaviour and scammer Sandra Lean is a raging narcissist!
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Why did fraudster Sandra Lean mention money and trial transcripts and state that obtaining them was a “pointless exercise”?
The transcription of trial transcripts can be paid for from the public purse by order of a judge
On obtaining trial transcripts:
“It’s a pointless exercise” - “the transcripts themselves would not take us anywhere”
“Every day spent faffing around wasting time, is another day he’s stuck in there” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th October 2023 (YouTube)
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“The second thing I have a real issue with”
“I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work, whilst hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles and doing so to try to prove a point rather than take the case forward - that to me is despicable, absolutely despicable ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
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““I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work, whilst hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles and doing so to try to prove a point rather than take the case forward - that to me is despicable, absolutely despicable ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
Was the “point” to highlight the fact you are a bare faced liar Sandra Lean?
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Stuart Henderson
Most Likely not the Most original thought i have had about the case but i'll throw it out there to see what gets said...
The Moped was right against the V....
Would really help JF and GD climb and get over eh...
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“Big shout out to Richard one of Luke’s amazing supporters, who asked a question that I’d never been asked before, he said, what if the search trio didn’t check Yvonne Walkers flat because they already knew she wasn’t there. And initially my thought was ‘well hardly I mean she had this little baby where would she have been’ you know, could it be possible (sounding a bit like Michelle Diskin-Bates). And the more I thought about it, the more I thought about the facts, the more things kinda began to drop into place.
Now you’re gonna get no speculation from me whatsoever on this one, okay, I’m just gonna give you the facts and you can make of them as you will (cackle)
So did they not check that flat because they knew not only was Jodi not there but neither was Yvonne, well the first thing I went looking through erm, some of the statements, some of the transcripts, some of the bits and pieces and I discovered that several witnesses within Jodi’s family, immediate and extended used an identical phrase when talking about Jodi and smoking.
I ran this past eh, erm an ex police officer, I sad what, what are the chances that up to 5 people would use exactly the same phrase, exactly the same phrase, as each other when being questioned independably of each other. And he said well either they’ve all talked among themselves and they’re all repeating, they’re all singing from the same hymn sheet or that’s not their words and those words were put to them by the people asking them questions. And those words were written down by the people asking those questions.
So I’ll leave that one there, erm four or five people with exactly the same phrase about this particular thing erm, I don’t know significance, you choose
“So stop and think about that for just a minute, where was Yvonne Walker. Does any of this information confirm where she was or does it raise questions that she may not have been where she says she was. So I’m just gonna leave that one out there as well ” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
Is that the same innocent Yvonne Walker some of your “flying monkey’s” have been targeting and harassing Sandra?
Stuart Henderson
I have been bursting at the seams with Knowing for a wee while what Sandra said in her catch up at 14.59 folks, go check again!!.
One of my Best Mates Richard Bell Has, totally unintentionally opened a can of worms about the case in the most tremendous way imaginable.
THANK YOU RICHARD!!!!!.
!#THANKYOURICHARD
That's as Much as i can say in the group!.
But i am VERY VERY Sure, Lots will be said TO Richard indepth at the protest on 4th Nov ;) ;).
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This is what charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean stated in August 2009 under Jigsawman
Timeline
10:17pm - Judith Jones Attempted To Telephone Killer Luke Mitchell
10:20pm - Judith Jones Texted Killer Luke Mitchell
Corrine Mitchell Suggested To Her Killer Son That He Go Out & Pretend To Look For Jodi Jones (Killer Luke Mitchell’s 1st July 2003 22 Page Written Witness Statement)
10:21pm - Judith Jones Rings Round Some Of Jodi Jones Friends
10:41pm - Killer Luke Mitchell Claimed His First Call To Judith Jones “did not connect”
10:42pm - Killer Luke Mitchell Waited Over 20 Minutes Before Calling Judith Jones
10:45pm - Jodi Jones Was Reported Missing To The Police
11pm: Alice Walker, Janine Jones & Steven Kelly Left Alice’s House To Search For Jodi Jones
2009: Scammer Sandra Lean “It takes 7 - 8 minutes, at a brisk pace (police timings) to get to the entrance to the path, and 10 - 15 mins to walk the length of the path”
2010: Scammer Sandra Lean ”Official police timings - the end of Luke's street to the Newbattle entrance to the path - 5 mins at a brisk pace. The path itself, 11 mins at a brisk pace” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/14/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-april-2011-on-actually-factually-guilty-murderer-luke-mitchell-part-258/
Lean has an uncovered call 6 years later made around 10.45pm. It is the same call! Times marked wrong or otherwise.
Now Lean in the book has it, that Jodi could not have been known to be missing by 10.45pm, thus the call could not have been from her, even though she gave her name!? And there is only ever one call mentioned to them pre 11 and only one call logged, not two! But the author tries to grasp at that time of 10.45pm, and those claims of not knowing Jodi was missing - Absolute BS. Judith knew her daughter was missing,
Scammer Sandra Lean has intentionally and fraudulently put false information into the public domain and even pretends to people who buy her book that the profits are being donated to an organisation that doesn’t exist!
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Jodi's mother was frantic, she knew something was wrong, the very reason she was on to the police in no time.
She knew if her daughter had not been with Mitchell then something must have happened.
There is a lot more to this, and Nicholas is correct, the author is being a hell of lot less than truthful.
And it is all done with deceitful intention - to take all the attention away from LM.
Her game of Cluedo and innuendo, deflection from the killer.
It is every side of that in depth investigation that she attempts to shore over with waffle.
Scammer Sandra’s Leans “waffle” is catching up with her
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And of going over those events, and that clear attempt in the book to implant seeds - "The agreed facts" that blatant manipulation
The “mischief makers” are recognising narcissist Sandra Lean’s blatant manipulation and lies
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George Fergie - 18th June 2021
Guys can I just say am shocked at some of the messages am receiving regarding Sandra and the other group refusing to get on board with the protest that’s been set up for Edinburgh, I find this really petty, it’s not about individual people or groups it’s about Luke and corrine , I made this protest all legal , foned all the correct ppl and was told it’s perfectly legal to do so, I made a new tag as geo protest so no group alone was involved in setting it up, I done it all on my own
Corrine herself is over the moon I’ve done this and I really tried to keep it away from my group so as not to upset anyone, regardless of any of this we’ve loads of support and the legal council authorised protest will go ahead, a just hope in the time from now to then some people think long and hard that this is for Luke
George Fergie - 21st June 2021
Guys today’s update was no surprise , we tried to work with Sandra but if fell flat, she’s directing all the rubbish to us and al take it, everything sandra is unhappy with was me not the team, firstly she says I misrepresented her by calling her the leader , I meant leader of the campaign and she assumed I meant leader of the group
She was unhappy we wanted to sell merch and donate it to Luke’s fund , found out later she actually wanted to do all the merch herself, a found that pretty odd but I agreed, then when I was pushing for Edinburgh protest to be arranged I was told we had to do it legal, notify all authorities etc and that Sandra would handle it, days turned into weeks and I was getting frustrated we were losing momentum , after that a zoom call was arranged but a wasn’t in the right mind to do it as a have mental problems, a told fiona this and she told Sandra she was to busy that day other than say I was ill with depression and from that day on everything we did was wrong , we’re here to help Luke and corrine same as everyone else and Sandra only wants to promote her good friends group which is fair enough
Sandra left or stopped commenting in here a few weeks ago until a post came up she didn’t like , it was a valid post and she took dislike to a guy asking her why she said she didn’t know the person in his question when said person has commented he’d known her from when they were studying for their degrees , a couldn’t remove the comment the guy put his evidence up so there was obvs more to it, am sorry sandra feels this way about us considering it was our group who made the Glasgow protest a success with our banners and giant pics of Luke, fiona even donated two of those big face banners to Sandra , a thought we were all chasing the same outcome but were not just fighting for justice in here were fighting against sandra and her favourite group, she knows why we’re here yet slates us like that , why? A don’t know that but we’re still here we’re not going anywhere until luke is free
George Fergie - 8th October 2023
I think it’s time for the boss to speak to group members.
I’ve seen so many post this week attacking this campaign and quite frankly these folk are oblivious to the actual damage they are doing to Luke and his campaign whilst at the same time blaming others for it. Time for all to have a think about how their very own behaviours are impacting Luke Mitchell before they go questioning what other folks are doing.
I am absolutely disgusted at what I am seeing and knowing the impact it has on Luke himself as a person. Those of you who are attacking make out you are supporters of him. I don’t see anyone supporting Luke when I see the posts I am seeing.
Think about what your doing and get a grip of your selfishness
George Fergie - 5 days ago
Just a wee heads up guys
If you’ve got any messages or friend requests from me lately it’s a fake account and you should block it straight away
I only have this account and Geo Fergie active
If you’ve received any messages by me lately then I’d probably disregard it completely
I’m fully aware who it is but I won’t be naming and shaming
This is not the group for that kinda thing
If your unsure just message me
If it’s me I will reply to you.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg452103.html#msg452103
Sandra Lean states,
‘In the same statement, Judy said Joseph told her about Jodi writing in her diary that she wanted to move out of the family home and move in with Yvonne Walker, which doesn't really fit with the idyllic, blissful home-life portrayed at trial - Janine moved out three years earlier, also aged 14. Why would two 14 year old daughters both want to leave home at such a young age?
This is so wrong on so many levels
How old was your elder daughter when she moved out to live with her father Sandra?
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“Big shout out to Richard one of Luke’s amazing supporters, who asked a question that I’d never been asked before, he said, what if the search trio didn’t check Yvonne Walkers flat because they already knew she wasn’t there. And initially my thought was ‘well hardly I mean she had this little baby where would she have been’ you know, could it be possible (sounding a bit like Michelle Diskin-Bates). And the more I thought about it, the more I thought about the facts, the more things kinda began to drop into place.
Now you’re gonna get no speculation from me whatsoever on this one, okay, I’m just gonna give you the facts and you can make of them as you will (cackle)
So did they not check that flat because they knew not only was Jodi not there but neither was Yvonne, well the first thing I went looking through erm, some of the statements, some of the transcripts, some of the bits and pieces and I discovered that several witnesses within Jodi’s family, I’m,ediwte and extended used an identical phrase when talking about Jodi and smoking.
I ran this past eh, erm an ex police officer, I sad what, what are the chances that up to 5 people would use exactly the same phrase, exactly the same phrase, as each other when being questioned independably of each other. And he said well either they’ve all talked among themselves and they’re all repeating, they’re all singing from the same hymn sheet or that’s not their words and those words were put to them by the people asking them questions. And those words were written down by the people asking those questions.
So I’ll leave that one there, erm four or five people with exactly the same phrase about this particular thing erm, I don’t know significance, you choose
“So stop and think about that for just a minute, where was Yvonne Walker. Does any of this information confirm where she was or does it raise questions that she may not have been where she says she was. So I’m just gonna leave that one out there as well ” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
Is that the same innocent Yvonne Walker some of your flying monkey have been targeting and harassing Sandra?
Stuart Henderson
I have been bursting at the seams with Knowing for a wee while what Sandra said in her catch up at 14.59 folks, go check again!!.
One of my Best Mates Richard Bell Has, totally unintentionally opened a can of worms about the case in the most tremendous way imaginable.
THANK YOU RICHARD!!!!!.
!#THANKYOURICHARD
That's as Much as i can say in the group!.
But i am VERY VERY Sure, Lots will be said TO Richard indepth at the protest on 4th Nov ;) ;).
Sandra Lean 3 hours ago
Absolutely - enormous thanks to Richard Bell - a question that no-one else ever asked in 20 years and suddenly - BAM! A whole new area that's never been examined - and a lot of questions about why not!!!
It was “examined” and investigated by the police back in 2003 Sandra Lean! BAM!
Kath Green Seath
Sandra Lean blooming brilliant, and would just like to add, was great seeing you so happy, and smiling from the inside out.
Let us now see justice for Jodi and Luke 🙏
Sandra Lean
Kath Green Seath It's just so good to have good news for a change!!
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Sandra Lean
This is really interesting Ingold Wood - this is before Jodi was named (so has to be the morning of July 1st) - he says, "She never arrived and, about 10 o'clock, the family became aware of this and later called the police." Like almost everybody else, he's out by 30 - 45 minutes - "the family" (actually Judith) didn't become aware until 10.42pm - the others didn't become aware until 10.46pm at the earliest. Is it just me or is the impression being given here that between 10pm and when they called the police, efforts were being made to trace Jodi??? And if so, why did he think that, within hours of Jodi's body being found?
IW Dobbie gave away a lot of his preconceptions and biases in the interview after Luke was convicted, saying things like "..all he did was make me more suspicious. In the interview he was confident and very controlling. He displayed a high level of intelligence," and
"…He was challenging. He was totally in control of himself and challenged the abilities and authority of the police. It was like taunts. He had the mental ability to sit and take control of the interview, and that‟s incredible from someone who has not previously been part of the criminal process…."
Who really believes a 15 year old, never in trouble with the police before, would react this way to three grown men whose behaviour, according to the court of appeal, was "outrageous and to be deplored" and who, according to Donald Findlay, had "lost it?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg651345#msg651345
If killer Luke Mitchell was out of his house by 30-45 minutes (from 10pm) then why did it take him so long to get to the start of the path?
Shouldn’t he have been there by 10:35pm-10:50pm at the latest Sandra?
And where have you conjured up your 10:42pm time from?
*&^^&
Was 10:42pm the time killer Luke Mitchell phoned Judith Jones Sandra?
What will those trial transcripts say?
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George Fergie - 18th June 2021
Guys can I just say am shocked at some of the messages am receiving regarding Sandra and the other group refusing to get on board with the protest that’s been set up for Edinburgh, I find this really petty, it’s not about individual people or groups it’s about Luke and corrine , I made this protest all legal , foned all the correct ppl and was told it’s perfectly legal to do so, I made a new tag as geo protest so no group alone was involved in setting it up, I done it all on my own
Corrine herself is over the moon I’ve done this and I really tried to keep it away from my group so as not to upset anyone, regardless of any of this we’ve loads of support and the legal council authorised protest will go ahead, a just hope in the time from now to then some people think long and hard that this is for Luke
George Fergie - 21st June 2021
Guys today’s update was no surprise , we tried to work with Sandra but if fell flat, she’s directing all the rubbish to us and al take it, everything sandra is unhappy with was me not the team, firstly she says I misrepresented her by calling her the leader , I meant leader of the campaign and she assumed I meant leader of the group
She was unhappy we wanted to sell merch and donate it to Luke’s fund , found out later she actually wanted to do all the merch herself, a found that pretty odd but I agreed, then when I was pushing for Edinburgh protest to be arranged I was told we had to do it legal, notify all authorities etc and that Sandra would handle it, days turned into weeks and I was getting frustrated we were losing momentum , after that a zoom call was arranged but a wasn’t in the right mind to do it as a have mental problems, a told fiona this and she told Sandra she was to busy that day other than say I was ill with depression and from that day on everything we did was wrong , we’re here to help Luke and corrine same as everyone else and Sandra only wants to promote her good friends group which is fair enough
Sandra left or stopped commenting in here a few weeks ago until a post came up she didn’t like , it was a valid post and she took dislike to a guy asking her why she said she didn’t know the person in his question when said person has commented he’d known her from when they were studying for their degrees , a couldn’t remove the comment the guy put his evidence up so there was obvs more to it, am sorry sandra feels this way about us considering it was our group who made the Glasgow protest a success with our banners and giant pics of Luke, fiona even donated two of those big face banners to Sandra , a thought we were all chasing the same outcome but were not just fighting for justice in here were fighting against sandra and her favourite group, she knows why we’re here yet slates us like that , why? A don’t know that but we’re still here we’re not going anywhere until luke is free
George Fergie - 8th October 2023
I think it’s time for the boss to speak to group members.
I’ve seen so many post this week attacking this campaign and quite frankly these folk are oblivious to the actual damage they are doing to Luke and his campaign whilst at the same time blaming others for it. Time for all to have a think about how their very own behaviours are impacting Luke Mitchell before they go questioning what other folks are doing.
I am absolutely disgusted at what I am seeing and knowing the impact it has on Luke himself as a person. Those of you who are attacking make out you are supporters of him. I don’t see anyone supporting Luke when I see the posts I am seeing.
Think about what your doing and get a grip of your selfishness
George Fergie - 5 days ago
Just a wee heads up guys
If you’ve got any messages or friend requests from me lately it’s a fake account and you should block it straight away
I only have this account and Geo Fergie active
If you’ve received any messages by me lately then I’d probably disregard it completely
I’m fully aware who it is but I won’t be naming and shaming
This is not the group for that kinda thing
If your unsure just message me
If it’s me I will reply to you.
Is Sharon Indy Sunshines “leader” the same “leader” George Fergie referred to
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
I feel for the ones who don't realize they are in an online cult. I've seen this in so many online communities. Essentially the fact that anyone to stand up and say something contradicting the leader is set upon by the other cult members.
@michellesings
youtube.com
Are YOU in an online CULT?
And how do you get out?Link to PPT:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N-UB4UuZQ-QxVk71rnaq0sj-Bzf1CmCx/view?usp=sharingSources:The Influence Continuum: https:/...
10:54 PM · Oct 23, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1716573835506438281
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How old was your elder daughter when she moved out to live with her father Sandra?
Who the feck cares, what does that have to do with the murder of [Name removed]??
Watching Sandra’s latest update video on YouTube last night. Might be wrong but sounds like we might be getting the testing done on the samples that are left. Who knows we may have some information soon that could help move this case forward or prove the right person is in jail after all. Fingers crossed it is the samples being tested that Sandra was speaking about.
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Sandra replies:
“I've never heard that she was claimed to have been self-harming from the age of 8 - that would have been round about the age she was when her dad died. I know she struggled for her first two years at high school - I always assumed the self-harm began in that period.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452139.html#msg452139
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg452103.html#msg452103
Sandra Lean states,
‘In the same statement, Judy said Joseph told her about Jodi writing in her diary that she wanted to move out of the family home and move in with Yvonne Walker, which doesn't really fit with the idyllic, blissful home-life portrayed at trial - Janine moved out three years earlier, also aged 14. Why would two 14 year old daughters both want to leave home at such a young age?
How old was your elder daughter when she moved out to live with her father Sandra?
Did you wrongly conflate your daughters age with Jodi Jones’ age Sandra?
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Who the feck cares, what does that have to do with the murder of [Name removed]??
What does telling the public about an 8-9 year old Jodi Jones’ have to do with her murderer Luke Mitchell?
Sandra replies:
“I've never heard that she was claimed to have been self-harming from the age of 8 - that would have been round about the age she was when her dad died. I know she struggled for her first two years at high school - I always assumed the self-harm began in that period.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452139.html#msg452139
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Watching Sandra’s latest update video on YouTube last night. Might be wrong but sounds like we might be getting the testing done on the samples that are left.
You are indeed wrong
Sandra Lean was and is lying - again
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Who knows we may have some information soon that could help move this case forward
The case is closed!
It’s been closed for years!
Killer Luke Mitchell and his enabler Sandra Lean have failed to prove the killer and mother Corinne Mitchell weren’t lying!
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Fingers crossed it is the samples being tested that Sandra was speaking about.
Scammer Sandra Lean referred to raising money for her 60th Birthday
What does the killer and Corinne Mitchell say about this?
Do you know?
And do you know where the donated profits from Sandra Leans book sales has gone to - since October 2018?
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Watching Sandra’s latest update video on YouTube last night.
The “update” was scammer Sandra Lean’s attempt to “pull the wagons” to see who she has on side
It was another of her attempts at restructuring her group of “flying monkeys” and gauge reactions
Her birthday “fundraiser” is yet another of her distractions and another opportunity to put herself front and centre
It will have also been another sly dig at the killer and his mother Corinne Mitchell
She has a tendency of reminding them both to know their place to keep them in check
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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You are indeed wrong
Sandra Lean was and is lying - again
Lying about what?
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Lying about what?
Everything - apart from her age
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Scammer Sandra Lean referred to raising money for her 60th Birthday
What does the killer and Corinne Mitchell say about this?
Do you know?
And do you know where the donated profits from Sandra Leans book sales has gone to - since October 2018?
I don’t know how the donation money has been spent or if it’s been spent at all, might be all saved up to pay for future testing etc. she did say she will have nothing to do with the donations someone else deals with that. she also say what was done with some of the money raised, getting equipment to help with the protests. The money is not for her 60th birthday it’s for Luke. She wants everyone to get together on her birthday to raise funds.
If it’s to donate money so the samples are independently tested I’d be happy to donate.
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Everything - apart from her age
Everything @)(++(*
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I don’t know how the donation money has been spent or if it’s been spent at all, might be all saved up to pay for future testing etc.
Might be @)(++(*
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she did say she will have nothing to do with the donations someone else deals with that
Why did she say that?
Is it because some people now know killer Luke Mitchell has received legal aid over the years and that the “donations” from the profits of sales from scammer Sandra Lean’s books have been spent by Sandra on things like purchasing and converting former council vans, bottles of red wine and trips to farms etc etc ?
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. she did say she will have nothing to do with the donations someone else deals with that. she also say what was done with some of the money raised, getting equipment to help with the protests.
What equipment has scammer Sandra Lean purchased for protests?
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The money is not for her 60th birthday it’s for Luke. She wants everyone to get together on her birthday to raise funds.
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Why did she say that?
I would guess because she is so busy and also so she can’t be blamed for mishandling the money.
You accuse her of spending it but do you actually know how it’s been spent or are you just spreading malicious information?
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What equipment has scammer Sandra Lean purchased for protests?
Sound equipment, she mentioned it on one of her updates.
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Sound equipment, she mentioned it on one of her updates.
Did she say she had purchased “sound equipment” or that she was planning to purchase “sound equipment” after she had sold enough magnets and t-shirts etc?
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Did she say she had purchased “sound equipment” or that she was planning to purchase “sound equipment” after she had sold enough magnets and t-shirts etc?
That it was purchased and if anyone in her team needed it they could borrow it I believe.
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That it was purchased and if anyone in her team needed it they could borrow it I believe.
Did she provide a receipt for this and prove it was her who purchased it?
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Did she provide a receipt for this and prove it was her who purchased it?
Provide a receipt to who? Me? No she did not
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The problem I'm incurring just now, is the reason and motive behind individual pieces of selective information. Are some simply errors, a practice of being caught up in misleading information, not fully releasing falsehoods but distracting away from the truth, that others are searching for, The list goes on ending with prevaricate-(to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie.
Another commonly used word for this same behavior is to fudge, meaning to disingenuously avoid or talk around an issue.) Throughout each piece/response of information given and or replied to, I am putting out different scenarios as to why this may be depending on the individual, subject at hand.
I previously mentioned an example around the search party (trio) in ths case. The impression put out that they set out solely to head directly to the path, bypassing YW's house en route, which is a physical impossibility. I received an interesting response, to use in said work.
[🌟 Dr Sandra Lean replied to michael hamilton's comment
Dr Sandra Lean:
Peter Parkinson I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that [Name removed]'s statement was the only evidence supporting "walking past Yvonne's flat without checking" - as I wasn't entirely sure of the meaning of your post, I asked if that ([Name removed]'s statement) was the aspect to which you referred. I'm not entirely sure what your study is aiming to achieve, but I'd urge caution - without the full facts, you cannot possibly infer "word/information/play to add weight to the story" - in this instance, for example, you have made the unfortunate error of assuming I have "based this part on full trust of said witness." ]
Having no knowledge of said statement, I had found the reply interesting and asked why she put trust in JF on this occasion. The above reply to that question and trust issue, gives the impression (not assumption) that there are more witnesses to testify to this fact? If so, why still state the search party walked directly to the path? The reply above appear to have been removed from Ms Leans personal You Tube video, comments section.
[🌟 Dr Sandra Lean replied to michael hamilton's comment
Dr Sandra Lean
Peter Parkinson Do you mean when John [Name removed] said in his police statement he was looking out of Yvonne's window and he saw the search trio walking past Yvonne's flat on their way to the path]
“Big shout out to Richard one of Luke’s amazing supporters, who asked a question that I’d never been asked before, he said, what if the search trio didn’t check Yvonne Walkers flat because they already knew she wasn’t there. And initially my thought was ‘well hardly I mean she had this little baby where would she have been’ you know, could it be possible (sounding a bit like Michelle Diskin-Bates). And the more I thought about it, the more I thought about the facts, the more things kinda began to drop into place.
Now you’re gonna get no speculation from me whatsoever on this one, okay, I’m just gonna give you the facts and you can make of them as you will (cackle)
So did they not check that flat because they knew not only was Jodi not there but neither was Yvonne, well the first thing I went looking through erm, some of the statements, some of the transcripts, some of the bits and pieces and I discovered that several witnesses within Jodi’s family, I’m,ediwte and extended used an identical phrase when talking about Jodi and smoking.
I ran this past eh, erm an ex police officer, I sad what, what are the chances that up to 5 people would use exactly the same phrase, exactly the same phrase, as each other when being questioned independably of each other. And he said well either they’ve all talked among themselves and they’re all repeating, they’re all singing from the same hymn sheet or that’s not their words and those words were put to them by the people asking them questions. And those words were written down by the people asking those questions.
So I’ll leave that one there, erm four or five people with exactly the same phrase about this particular thing erm, I don’t know significance, you choose
“So stop and think about that for just a minute, where was Yvonne Walker. Does any of this information confirm where she was or does it raise questions that she may not have been where she says she was. So I’m just gonna leave that one out there as well ” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
Scammer Sandra Lean - 29th October 2023
Sandra Lean 3 hours ago
Absolutely - enormous thanks to Richard Bell - a question that no-one else ever asked in 20 years and suddenly - BAM! A whole new area that's never been examined - and a lot of questions about why not!!!
Janet Docherty
He was supposed to be asleep in his room all night.
6pm cemetery visit uncorroborated
Wet glove found hidden in YW flat
What time were YW and her mum buring clothes at.
JF not in the flat.
Their house of cards are coming down.
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Provide a receipt to who? Me? No she did not
At some point Lean will have to account for her "other income". She has been barred from using most donations services and is now openly asking for money on Paypal. For doing what? She has 20 years history of not achieving anything apart from self-promotion and struck off from Companies House. If she was any good she would be employed, not shilling on YouTube.
Donation schemes like Patreon etc have different levels - Gold, Silver, Bronze etc - and you can see what you get with your donation, but with Lean there is no transparency and never has been and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would give her a penny without some kind of guarantee of how it will be spent. Maybe it's these people she is targeting.
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Sound equipment, she mentioned it on one of her updates.
Where did she mention it? Do you have a cite?
Didn’t she borrow someone’s speaker then got herself a microphone which was attached to some head piece?
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Sandra Lean stated on Facebook
This is really interesting Ingold Wood - this is before Jodi was named (so has to be the morning of July 1st) - he says, "She never arrived and, about 10 o'clock, the family became aware of this and later called the police." Like almost everybody else, he's out by 30 - 45 minutes - "the family" (actually Judith) didn't become aware until 10.42pm - the others didn't become aware until 10.46pm at the earliest. Is it just me or is the impression being given here that between 10pm and when they called the police, efforts were being made to trace Jodi??? And if so, why did he think that, within hours of Jodi's body being found?
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd nonsense of a book on page 164;
“The logs detailing calls from the mobile being used by Judith were clearly incomplete because they stopped at 22.41 on June 30th 2003
Sandra Lean claimed killer Luke Mitchell’s 10:41pm call to Judith Jones “did not connect”
What reason did killer Luke Mitchell give the police for waiting so long before contacting Judith Jones Sandra?
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““I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
What “issues” do you have Sandra?
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Where did she mention it? Do you have a cite?
Didn’t she borrow someone’s speaker then got herself a microphone which was attached to some head piece?
I think it was one of her YouTube updates
Found it 11mins in on this one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcR-crQCCY
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd nonsense of a book on page 164;
“The logs detailing calls from the mobile being used by Judith were clearly incomplete because they stopped at 22.41 on June 30th 2003
Sandra Lean stated
This is really interesting Ingold Wood - this is before Jodi was named (so has to be the morning of July 1st) - he says, "She never arrived and, about 10 o'clock, the family became aware of this and later called the police." Like almost everybody else, he's out by 30 - 45 minutes - "the family" (actually Judith) didn't become aware until 10.42pm - the others didn't become aware until 10.46pm at the earliest. Is it just me or is the impression being given here that between 10pm and when they called the police, efforts were being made to trace Jodi??? And if so, why did he think that, within hours of Jodi's body being found?
The call logs stopped at 10:41pm yet killer Luke Mitchell telephoned Judith Jones at 10:42pm
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I think it was one of her YouTube updates
Found it 11mins in on this one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcR-crQCCY
What did she spend the buy me a coffee funds on?
Wasn’t that money meant to be going towards testing those samples?
What has killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell said about all this - do you know?
Apparently scammer Sandra Lean was claiming she might go to jail back in 2021
While the killer and his mother were telling Sandra to publish everything, which she obviously didn’t want to do because it would call into question her narrative
“So I’ve explained before the difference between what families want to do and what I in my professional capac capacity can do in these cases and I totally understand the anger and frustration that people experience when I say things like we can’t do this or we can’t say that or we can’t do it this way or the consequences if we do it that way will be I I fully fully understand that but it’s always conveyed with the best interests of the convicted person at heart both now and in the future and and that’s I’m continually thinking where will this go in 5 years 10 years or whatever but I can’t tell anybody what to do you know I can make suggestions based on my knowledge and experience but everybody has the right to make their own decisions of course they do I’ve never never suggested otherwise it’s just that sometimes the consequences of those decisions have an impact on other things
Transcript of Hoaxer Sandra Lean’s 27th June 2021 ‘Exit’ Speech Re: Factually Guilty Killer Luke Mitchell & The Infighting
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
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What did she spend the buy me a coffee funds on?
Wasn’t that money meant to be going towards testing those samples?
What has killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell said about all this - do you know?
Apparently scammer Sandra Lean was claiming she might go to jail back in 2021
While the killer and his mother were telling Sandra to publish everything, which she obviously didn’t want to do because it would call into question her narrative
“So I’ve explained before the difference between what families want to do and what I in my professional capac capacity can do in these cases and I totally understand the anger and frustration that people experience when I say things like we can’t do this or we can’t say that or we can’t do it this way or the consequences if we do it that way will be I I fully fully understand that but it’s always conveyed with the best interests of the convicted person at heart both now and in the future and and that’s I’m continually thinking where will this go in 5 years 10 years or whatever but I can’t tell anybody what to do you know I can make suggestions based on my knowledge and experience but everybody has the right to make their own decisions of course they do I’ve never never suggested otherwise it’s just that sometimes the consequences of those decisions have an impact on other things
Transcript of Hoaxer Sandra Lean’s 27th June 2021 ‘Exit’ Speech Re: Factually Guilty Killer Luke Mitchell & The Infighting
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2021/07/04/transcript-of-sandra-leans-27th-june-2021-live-facebook-video-exit-speech/
In reality - killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell were also lying
“Luke has also advised Sandra that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately.
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell publish the alleged 80% of trial transcripts or get someone to publish them for her?
Why have they remained hidden?
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Jennifer Smith - Facebook (Around 17th March 2021)
This poor lad has been stitched up and I agree how can someone live with themselves for the last 17 yrs knowing they killed a young lass.
Sandra Lean
Jennifer Smith I don't think that's a fair or appropriate question. If someone has been hospitalised for mental health issues (and I have no idea who may or may not have been in relation to this case), then they are entitled to privacy while they receive treatment. I mean this as no criticism of you - I know people are just trying to make sense of it all, but this isn't something we should be discussing on social media this way. Thanks for understanding x
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Sandra Lean - Facebook around 15th April 2022
Kirstie Hesp For the first few minutes after Luke was taken to the car park (the others had already been taken there), he was sitting on a kerb sharing a cigarette with SK. It was then that the police officer came and told him to get into the police vehicle. There is one account where Luke says his mum kept trying to call - he answered and said "I can't talk right now" and hung up. It may have been when he was in the police vehicle - one officer says he had Luke in the vehicle and he saw him "talking on his phone", took the phone from him and switched it off.
The logs show a number of calls and texts from Corinne, with escalating concern, in the next few minutes (which obviously didn't get through, because the phone was off.
Then, the officer switched the phone back on and asked Luke to call his mum's number - once she answered, the cop took the phone from Luke and told Corinne to make her way to the station.
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More bare faced lies
This contradicts Corinne Mitchell’s evidence heard during the trial
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Did killer Luke Mitchell tell the people you have been grooming, conning and exploiting that Corinne Mitchell has said she “hates” you Sandra?
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Why didn’t you tell Killer Luke Mitchell you were writing and self publishing that book Sandra?
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Sandra Lean
Adam Holland This guy made a follow up, saying he'd spent a "lot of time researching." The appeal documents, freely available on line, state the time of the text/call when Jodi didn't arrive home - and it's NOT 10.20. Wonder where he did his research???
What was said during the trial Sandra and why did you refer to the “appeals documents” which are incorrect!?
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Sandra Lean
Hana Lagha And adding "new" ones that have never seen the light of day ... until now. Luke hung up on a call because he was afraid of them hearing a moped they, themselves, said wasn't there. Then, he makes another call when he's out of earshot of the moped they, themselves said wasn't there. And then, grand finale, he hides in full view. I was going to say, you couldn't make it up - but they just did!!!
What was said during the trial about this Sandra?
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Did killer Luke Mitchell tell the people you have been grooming, conning and exploiting that Corinne Mitchell has said she “hates” you Sandra?
I came across this post tonight by Corinne Mitchell and thought it worth reposting where it might at least be read by some people.
Ive just had my accountant in to pick up my accounts as it is VAT season...... :'(..........as usual he asked about Luke and how his case was coming along and told me he had seen Sandra and myself in the paper.....which he found spooky
http://forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder/msg9922336/#msg9922336
What does Corinne Mitchell and her killer son Luke Mitchell say about that photo of your Facebook profile Sandra - the one of you and Corinne acting for the cameras?
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Sandra Lean
- we found out, from the statements and (eventually) the call logs, about the series of attempted calls to the aunt, but hidden away in statements, SK said, at one point, “JaJ was texting back and forth with her mum” that evening. Don’t have the calls logs to confirm or refute that, because of the very selective way the call logs were collected/disclosed to the defence
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Or Jodi Jones had found out about any one of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other girlfriends
Kimberley Thomson 14
Kara Van Null
Kimberley Tait
Laura Wightman
Gemma Chapman
Isn’t this Gemma with Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan https://www.facebook.com/barbietilly
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“Corinne and Shane Mitchell were charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice on the basis that they “lied” to investigators (the charges were later dropped).” ~ scammer Sandra Lean page 99
They did lie to the investigators!
And if you had attended the trial Sandra Lean you would have known this and that the charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice were dropped - in front of the jury
More bare faced lies!
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Who the feck cares, what does that have to do with the murder of [Name removed]??
Projection
https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/psychopaths-and-projection.166/
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Psychopath Shaun Attwood to scammer Sandra Lean
“There are people in this world who like to insert themselves into cases
Why did you “insert” yourself into this case Sandra Lean?
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scammer Sandra Lean 29th October 2023 (YouTube)
“The second thing I have a real issue with”
“I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work, whilst hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles.. ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
How many “anonymous or fake profiles” are you knowingly aware of and regularly communicate with Sandra 🙄
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Sandra Lean 3 hours ago
Absolutely - enormous thanks to Richard Bell - a question that no-one else ever asked in 20 years and suddenly - BAM! A whole new area that's never been examined - and a lot of questions about why not!!!
It was “examined” and investigated by the police back in 2003 Sandra Lean! BAM!
Sandra Lean
Stuart Henderson Richard Bell - that's way more than anyone else thought of!!! Don't you see? One person, thinking outside the box, can make such a massive difference - you came up with a question that NOBODY ever thought to ask, in over 20 years. Yet, it's revealed, potentially, another massive hole in the case. I can't thank you enough - to have a new avenue open after all this time is quite unbelievable!!!
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Isn’t this Gemma with Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan https://www.facebook.com/barbietilly
Girlfriend of Jodi's killer speaks of her love for him - The Scotsman - May 2005
LUKE MITCHELL'S secret girlfriend has spoken of her love for the teenage murderer.
‘Gemma Chapman, 17, described the convicted killer as "kind, caring and loving" and said he was wrongly found guilty of 14-year-old Jodi Jones' horrific murder on Roan's Dyke Path in Dalkeith.
In comments echoing those of Mitchell's defence at his trial, Ms Chapman, who lives with her parents near Edinburgh, said in a letter to a friend: "I could go on all day telling of four or five different people who could have murdered Jodi and the funny thing is, all of them would have more evidence to prove it was them than Luke did."
She said it was very painful being separated from the convicted killer, who was found guilty of slashing Jodi's throat about 20 times before mutilating her body.
The judge called the killing "one of the worst cases of murder of a single victim to have come before the court in many years".
Ms Chapman said: "It's so painful being away from the man I love and I feel angry because I don't know the truth and I'm still standing by him."
But she admitted she was frightened her loyalty could be misplaced.
She said: "I'm confused and very scared of making the wrong choices.
"I don't want him to be guilty and wasting my time with him."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/girlfriend-jodis-killer-speaks-her-love-him-2512833
Sadly her loyalty remains misplaced
She was ”hoovered” back in by the murdering psychopath and his toxic enablers innocence fraud
‘Hoovering, hoovered, hoover manoeuvre ⬇️
‘The hoover maneuver is an attempt to see if a prior target of abuse can be conned into another cycle of abuse, resulting in the abusive person reclaiming a sense of power and control by causing pain (emotional and sometimes physical) to a target.
https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/hoover-maneuver-the-dirty-secret-of-emotional-abuse-0219154
hoovers ‘by proxy’ too
’5 Ways Malignant Narcissists 'Hoover' Their Victims’ https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/12/5-ways-malignant-narcissists-hoover-their-victims#1
‘This type of Hoover normally occurs when the narcissist has already drained his or her current sources of narcissistic supply or wants to tap into the resources of a prior victim. In order to regain control over the previous victim, the narcissist will claim that they “miss” and “love” you, that they simply cannot live without you, or that they need your help with something (usually a manufactured emergency or fabricated illness).
‘Narcissists may Hoover in a number of ways: by provoking the victim, waxing poetically about how they’ve changed, or even more sadistically, flaunting a new partner to their previous one after a particularly callous silent treatment or discard.
The most sadistic of narcissists will go out of their way to use their Hoover to inflict even more cruelty and damage on their former victims, especially if they see those victims start to move forward with their lives
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Why did you “insert” yourself into this case Sandra?
Good point. Or you could ask why did CM ask (or allow) someone running a new age health shop for help. Would you not try a private investigator first? (not the Channel 5 jokers)
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Isn’t this Gemma with Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan https://www.facebook.com/barbietilly
Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan sounds like that fraudster & “lawyer” Scott C Forbes
Nicola Brennan - Facebook 19th October 2022
Here is where they went wrong;
1. Shane Mitchell was TOLD he had been ”watching porn”. He never agreed to this. What came up on his computer were proven in the case files to be pop ups. We all remember those don’t we? Unfortunately, Shane Mitchell didn’t recall this on the stand when being TOLD he had viewed porn on his computer when in reality he was viewing car websites and that was his statement. His best response to the accusation of watching it was “might’ve been”.
It’s very telling that they couldn’t quote Shane Mitchell and the Prosecution verbatim on this issue…because the reality of the questioning and the answers doesn’t fit the narrative being sold.
2. You can’t be charged with perjury if you haven’t perjured yourself on the witness stand, much less when you haven’t been on the stand to begin with. Corinne and Shane Mitchell were charged with perverting the course of justice. Those charges were dropped at court before Corinne Mitchell gave her evidence - the only time she ever took the stand - without the jury being informed because legally, that was not a requirement even though the media had reported on this charge already.
Nicola Brennan why don’t you ask Gemma Chapman to ask killer Luke Mitchell to tell you both what was said during the trial regarding what you have written - which is all wrong btw
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Good point. Or you could ask why did CM ask (or allow) someone running a new age health shop for help. Would you not try a private investigator first? (not the Channel 5 jokers)
There’s bound to be more to fraudster Sandra Lean’s story
Why didn’t Sandra attend the killers trial?
Gemma Chapman did - although it’s not clear on what days Gemma was there, apart from that day she recognised the mother of one of her ex boyfriends on the jury
[8] The final two sentences of that passage refer to an event which occurred during the aborted trial. On the fourth day of that trial investigations revealed that a girl who in effect regarded the applicant as her current boyfriend had had as a previous boyfriend the son of one of the jurors. On being questioned about this by the trial judge, the juror stated that she was aware that the girl had been her son's girlfriend and that the relationship had come to an end but appeared to be genuinely surprised that the girl now regarded the applicant as her boyfriend. After hearing counsel the trial judge discharged that juror. It is, however, quite clear that she was discharged on objective grounds, not because of any failure on her part to disclose a matter within her knowledge. (Source [2006] HCJHC 84 Appeal No. XC90/05)
What day(s) were you at the Edinburgh high ciourt Gemma?
What day was this footage taken
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Who is the female filmed with Corinne Mitchell at around 19:17 (seemingly holding hands) here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-zHEUOFR0
This was you wasn’t it Gemma?
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There’s bound to be more to fraudster Sandra Lean’s story
Why didn’t Sandra attend the killers trial?
Gemma Chapman did - although it’s not clear on what days Gemma was there, apart from that day she recognised the mother of one of her ex boyfriends on the jury
[8] The final two sentences of that passage refer to an event which occurred during the aborted trial. On the fourth day of that trial investigations revealed that a girl who in effect regarded the applicant as her current boyfriend had had as a previous boyfriend the son of one of the jurors. On being questioned about this by the trial judge, the juror stated that she was aware that the girl had been her son's girlfriend and that the relationship had come to an end but appeared to be genuinely surprised that the girl now regarded the applicant as her boyfriend. After hearing counsel the trial judge discharged that juror. It is, however, quite clear that she was discharged on objective grounds, not because of any failure on her part to disclose a matter within her knowledge. (Source [2006] HCJHC 84 Appeal No. XC90/05)
What day(s) were you at the Edinburgh high ciourt Gemma?
What day was this footage taken
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This was you wasn’t it Gemma?
How many fake social media accounts do you have Gemma and was scammer Sandra Lean referring to you as a “mischief maker”?
Are you a “mischief maker” Gemma similar to Nicola Brennan?
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Why did fraudster Sandra Lean mention money and trial transcripts and state that obtaining them was a “pointless exercise”?
The transcription of trial transcripts can be paid for from the public purse by order of a judge
On obtaining trial transcripts:
“It’s a pointless exercise” - “the transcripts themselves would not take us anywhere”
“Every day spent faffing around wasting time, is another day he’s stuck in there” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th October 2023 (YouTube)
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“The second thing I have a real issue with”
“I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work, whilst hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles and doing so to try to prove a point rather than take the case forward - that to me is despicable, absolutely despicable ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
Killer Luke Mitchell: Transcript Of Toxic Abuser & Scammer Sandra Lean’s 29th October 2023 Nonsense Courtesy Of Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/01/killer-luke-mitchell-transcript-of-toxic-abuser-scammer-sandra-leans-29th-october-2023-catch-up-courtesy-of-nicola-brennan-aka-nicky-brendan/
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This 👇 leads back to you Sandra Lean
Nicola Brennan - Facebook 19th October 2022
Here is where they went wrong;
1. Shane Mitchell was TOLD he had been ”watching porn”. He never agreed to this. What came up on his computer were proven in the case files to be pop ups. We all remember those don’t we? Unfortunately, Shane Mitchell didn’t recall this on the stand when being TOLD he had viewed porn on his computer when in reality he was viewing car websites and that was his statement. His best response to the accusation of watching it was “might’ve been”.
It’s very telling that they couldn’t quote Shane Mitchell and the Prosecution verbatim on this issue…because the reality of the questioning and the answers doesn’t fit the narrative being sold.
2. You can’t be charged with perjury if you haven’t perjured yourself on the witness stand, much less when you haven’t been on the stand to begin with. Corinne and Shane Mitchell were charged with perverting the course of justice. Those charges were dropped at court before Corinne Mitchell gave her evidence - the only time she ever took the stand - without the jury being informed because legally, that was not a requirement even though the media had reported on this charge already.
“Corinne and Shane Mitchell were charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice on the basis that they “lied” to investigators (the charges were later dropped).” ~ scammer Sandra Lean page 99
They did lie to the investigators!
And if you had attended the trial Sandra you would have known this and that the charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice were dropped - in front of the jury
More bare faced lies!
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Nicky Brendan
Hang fire 🔥 everyone. Sandra is going to advise when we roll. Apologies. Just need to get protest out the way first so we can manage everything properly
Is Nicola Brennan referring to managing the money “properly”?
Why doesn’t killer Luke Mitchell make an application to the SCCRC - no money needed
What a bunch of fraudsters!
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Nicky Brendan
Hang fire 🔥 everyone. Sandra is going to advise when we roll. Apologies. Just need to get protest out the way first so we can manage everything properly
Why do you need scammer Sandra Lean to “advise” you Nicola Brennan - didn’t she say someone else would be taking care of the money this time round?
She’s was lying again wasn’t she
She’s still orchestrating it all
Oh dear
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Nicky Brendan
Hang fire 🔥 everyone. Sandra is going to advise when we roll. Apologies. Just need to get protest out the way first so we can manage everything properly
Is that the protest you and Gemma will be attending this Saturday Nicola?
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John Smythe
@JohnSmytheInves
Trust us. We are telling you the truth. Just don't expect us to show you the documents/data that would prove we are telling you the truth. You see it is not in the public interest for you to look at it. Just accept what we say at face value and be thankful for that.
F**k that.
8:40 PM · Nov 1, 2023
https://twitter.com/JohnSmytheInves/status/1719816599375393194
Is this about you Sandra Lean?
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Kath Green Seath
Just reading Sandra's book.
[Name removed] said, he was looking out of Yvonne's flat window at 11pm, and seen the search trio, Alice, Janine and Steven leaving, and thought nothing off it.
Even though they all say Alice was an early to bed person, around 10pm, which he would know he had been staying at her house for weeks.
But he thought nothing off it !!
Secondly, he was meant to be watching a film with Yvonne,
You would think he would mention to her that they where leaving the street.
I would think Yvonne would nip out and say where are yous going?
What's Up ?
A bit suspicious....
Karen McGuire
100% Adam Holland im 14 year down the line from our dad's murder n every second is still as fresh as a daisy it never leaves you there's no thought needed when being questioned as the truth just rolls out your mouth only a liar would need to think before speaking on matters that are so traumatic then they go onto changing their stories several times ...so yeh I'm with you n 100% agree no one would forget not even the smallest detail xx
Janet Docherty
Sandra in her podcast has said Lukes team has since found out that some of the people of interest were not where they said they were on the night. ie, brother statement said he mum and AO were in the flat! that night. Who's flat? - as he was supposed to be asleep in bed all evening according to mums statement.
And who answered AW land line when the trio were out of the house - just going to the path. YW flat a regular den for hash smokers, including Jodi, is where a wet glove was found hidden behind a radiator. YW and her mum were burning clothes that night. JF said he saw the search trio while the 10 o'clock news was on, yet [Name removed] wasn't known to be missing yet
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Karen McGuire
100% Adam Holland im 14 year down the line from our dad's murder n every second is still as fresh as a daisy it never leaves you there's no thought needed when being questioned as the truth just rolls out your mouth only a liar would need to think before speaking on matters that are so traumatic then they go onto changing their stories several times ...so yeh I'm with you n 100% agree no one would forget not even the smallest detail xx
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10. Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
11. Protecting the public against dishonesty
12. Regulatory requirements relating to unlawful acts and dishonesty
14. Preventing fraud
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/lawful-basis/a-guide-to-lawful-basis/lawful-basis-for-processing/criminal-offence-data/
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10. Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
11. Protecting the public against dishonesty
12. Regulatory requirements relating to unlawful acts and dishonesty
14. Preventing fraud
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/lawful-basis/a-guide-to-lawful-basis/lawful-basis-for-processing/criminal-offence-data/
Sandra Lean
What did Shane Mitchell tell the police about his killer brother Luke Mitchell and Marilyn Manson (on the 14th April 2004)?
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10. Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
11. Protecting the public against dishonesty
12. Regulatory requirements relating to unlawful acts and dishonesty
14. Preventing fraud
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/lawful-basis/a-guide-to-lawful-basis/lawful-basis-for-processing/criminal-offence-data/
Sandra Lean
What did the jury hear during killer Luke Mitchell trial from his brother Shane Mitchell on Marilyn Manson?
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10. Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
11. Protecting the public against dishonesty
12. Regulatory requirements relating to unlawful acts and dishonesty
14. Preventing fraud
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/lawful-basis/a-guide-to-lawful-basis/lawful-basis-for-processing/criminal-offence-data/
33.Legal claims
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More and more people are questioning your false narrative Sandra Lean and are speaking out
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Who was/is Ingold Wood Sandra Lean? https://www.facebook.com/ingold.wood
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg651345#msg651345
Ingold Wood - Facebook - 11th April 2022
News report after Jodi’s body was discovered.
“Chillingly police said they cannot treat this murder as a one off.”
So in the early investigation they expected more murders? A possible serial killer?
Then they turned their attention to Luke Mitchell. Why?
Sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell was a serial killer in the making
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Nicky Brendan Aka Nicola Brennan - Facebook - today
Afternoon @everyone !!
Which of you lovely people will be able to join us on Saturday for the next protest?
We will be meeting from 12.30-1pm on the Royal Mile, straight across from the High Court for a 1pm start.
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Who was/is Ingold Wood Sandra Lean? https://www.facebook.com/ingold.wood
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Ingold Wood - 9th March 2021
Would this work to donate money to Corinne?
Just download, enter your bank details and make a donation.
Ingold Wood - 9th March 2021
But her GoFundMe was for her personal welfare, not for Luke. Sure, people could imply she would use the money for Luke but that can’t be proven.
Does this mean that anyone with a relative in prison cannot have a GoFundMe set up on their behalf?
Hell, I’ve seen GoFundMe campaigns set up for prisoners when they are released from jail.
Ingold Wood
There are a couple of apps you can use for direct donations- not PayPal.
You just sign into the app and donate what you want. It goes straight to the recipient. Saw it used in the case of a girl who left home due to abuse.
Sandra Lean
Gemma Mccafferty There are so many tax implications with that - I can't think about it right now, I only just found out myself
Ingold Wood - 9th May 2021
Jane Hamilton writes for a local audience and she’s been channelling the local mood towards Luke for years. She’s just reflecting back the ignorance of her readers.
Now that people are becoming better informed she’s floundering and looking for her angle.
Vague references to spokespersons for family members, sensationalism disguised as opinion. It’s a poor show for a news outlet.
I’m not sure I’m even blaming Hamilton. I’d be looking at the editors who let her get away with it.
Remember she is paid for this stuff.
Controversy sells.
Ingold Wood - 11th March 2021
So goth girl Jodi and her 19yo brother are both sitting on the sofa kicking back to Rod Stewart? I’m already seeing a few flaws in this....
It’s relevant because of the duration of the song. That’s 3 or 4 minutes where they can put Jodi and [Name removed] together in the same location. They can say he was at home when she left.
And they can say she planned to return home that night because she asked Judith to save her some lasagna which would otherwise be totally irrelevant. I’m actually wondering now if Jodi really did plan to return home or was she looking for somewhere else to stay?
Saying she was released from her grounding is also a lie as two days before her murder she’d been at Luke Mitchell’s home.
Why didn’t he kill her then?
Ingold Wood - 14th March 2021
Regarding the Edinburgh Live article.
There is a reasonable expectation of privacy when posting in a private group. Your comments are shared only in the group.
If screenshots are taken and published in the public domain as Edinburgh Live has done then you are entitled to make a formal complaint.
Ingold Wood
Les Ley she was grounded mostly for skipping school. Having sex with Luke Mitchell and smoking weed wasn’t much of an issue.
Sandra Lean - 18th March 2021
Let me see if I can help clarify some of this!!!
1. It was claimed Jodi texted Luke from Her mum's phone. Luke received texts from her mum's phone which appeared to come from Jodi.
2 + 3 Who left the house/Who was left in the house? This bit is very confusing - AO said originally he was aware of three people in the living room when he came in from work - Jodi, Joseph and Judith (but he only actually saw Judith). He went straight to the bathroom and while he was there, he heard the door banging - he assumed that was Jodi leaving. Then he said he came out of the bathroom and saw Judith, Janine and Jodi in the livingroom. That can't be right, because he thought Jodi left when he was in the bathroom. Then he said he made a mistake - it wasn't Janine, but Joseph who was in the living room with Judith and Jodi when he came out of the bathroom. But for that to be true (a) who left when he was in the bathroom? and (b) Jodi couldn't have left at the time claimed (4.50) if she was still there when AO came out of the bathroom!!!!
Ingold Wood
Tony Conlin Jodi’s mother claimed she “lost” her phone a few minutes before it is claimed Jodi used it to send the texts. Before the phone was lost Judith had been texting partner AO for an hour . She puts her phone down and in minutes it goes missing which just happens to coincide with the time Jodi was using it.
Maybe you could lose sight of your phone after an hour or so if you watch TV or do something else, but not immediately after you’ve been using it.
Why is there so much confusion? Later in court Judith says Jodi borrowed her phone to text Luke. But it’s my impression that this isn’t what she said in the original statements.
Who could have used the phone other than Jodi? Well there’s Joseph, JF and possibly Janine.
I cannot explain why the texts would be deleted in both Luke and Judith’s phones.
Ingold Wood
Hana Lagha According to Judy the only other person in the house that day with her, Joseph and Jodi was Jf.
She didn’t see what time he left although according to her it was before Jodi.
Ingold Wood - 22nd March 2021
Might be just the tagging they are embedding for murders of girls in Scotland. Both were major cases although obviously different.
Campbell’s DNA found on the body and he was seen on CCTV leaving and returning home, although I felt he was guilty I thought there was more to it.
Ingold Wood - Facebook - 22nd March 2021
Regarding the police interview with Luke about his sexual preferences, I think this is a very significant aspect of the case.
I appreciate people are outraged about those questions but I believe they demonstrate police were focussed on a sexual motive to the crime and looking for someone with a specific sexual paraphilia. Those questions are designed to probe for any “abnormal” sexual interests on Luke’s part. They were the right questions but they were asking the wrong person!
Having a naked body with the sort of injuries Jodi suffered must have obviously pointed to a sex offender, as police indicated early in the investigation. When they were unable to connect Luke to the crime forensically, they had to find a motive to suit the circumstantial evidence against him and they downplayed the sexual element so that the crime was profiled more as a “personal cause” such as an argument between the couple or his relationship with another girl.
These extracts from Sandra’s book show that a forensic report also agreed this was a sexually motivated crime. Police were unable or unwilling to pursue this angle due to absence of evidence of sexual assault.
Sandra goes on to explain that certain types of offender gain pleasure from the act of stabbing and cutting itself. For them this is the sexual motivation.
If the investigation had followed through with what was stated in the report they would have been looking for a very different offender.
Ingold Wood - 23rd March 2021
Maria Shevlin reminds me a little of police behaviour in the West Memphis Three case where they interview Damien Echols and feed him information about the crime.
A neighbour turned into a spy and attempted to seduce him while police had given her recording equipment to plant under the bed! It backfires when the public gets to hear about their methods of manufacturing evidence. You have to wonder if it’s not a better idea to just decide not to prosecute when there is suspicion but not evidence.
Ingold Wood - 23rd March 2021
But look at the circumstances- 14 year old boy discovers the body of girlfriend in horrific murder. Deals with local suspicion and is a target in the media.
Everything he says or does will be influenced by trauma so whatever they expect to get from him can be called into question as unreliable.
Such a strong case for the defence.
Ingold Wood - 30th March 2021
From 2008, “Appeal lawyer slams Luke Mitchell detectives”
Ingold Wood - 31st March 2021
There was a witness at the trial who said she and her boyfriend saw a man behaving strangely near the Newbattle area. Had a coat zipped up. Hanging around backlane. In his twenties.
Lyndsay McNeill
Ingold Wood was this in the book? This is why it be amazing to see the full court transcripts which I know we can’t so can see who else saw this man .. prob stocky man
Ingold Wood
Lyndsay Mcneill no it was mentioned in a comment and it’s in media reports from the trial.
Ingold Wood - 15th April 2021
We don’t know who the owner of the purse was. Not in the records.
Ingold Wood - 11th May 2021
From what I’ve read JF stored his drugs and condoms at YW’s house.
I don’t think we can confirm YW’s movements that night but we know after Jodi’s mother found out Jodi wasn’t with Luke she phoned her gran AW then her next call was to YW’s house. Apparently there was no answer at YW’s and it was late at night and she had a small child, so where was she?
Ingold Wood - 11th May 2021
Vicki Bennett so we’ve got all these people living with gran who one relative has claimed had dementia? Why wasn’t YW able to care for her own child?
I wonder if there was a court ruling and she lost custody.
Sandra Lean - 11th May 2021
Ingold Wood Vicki Bennett there's nothing ever been confirmed about YW's daughter living with, or being brought up by AW. The reason given for the failure to answer the call was that it was a "two ringer" - AW rang twice then hung up and YW would usually call her back. Apparently, she didn't call AW back, but the implication was that it was "too late" and she (YW) went to bed.
Ingold Wood - 11th May 2021
Sandra Lean thanks for clarifying that. I’d been under the impression Jodi’s mum was the one who called YW but I must have that wrong.
I find it strange that YW ignored AW’s call. She was elderly and anything could have been wrong. It was also around 11pm so not really that late. An elderly relative calling late at night would have caused enough concern to answer the phone, surely.
No effort was made to call Jodi’s other known contacts, just YW. After she didn’t answer they called police.
Are we to believe given the urgency of the situation AW would put the phone down and just wait for YW to phone her back when they’re trying to establish where Jodi is?
Who was able to corroborate YW was at home that night?
Ingold Wood - 17th October 2021
It was part of the prosecution’s case against Luke that he was the last person to see Jodi alive but this is not a proven fact or even circumstantial evidence. It’s really nothing more than innuendo. I cannot understand how they got away with this claim. The witness sighting is not good enough to support their claim.
Ingold Wood - 3rd November 2021
“It is believed that Jodi struggled with her attacker…”
Yet no evidence of trauma or damage to the hands of Luke Mitchell. Particularly, no bruising. There is no way anyone could come out of an incident like this without bruising to the hands. And the feet.
Ingold Wood
Dani Justice yes agree they should have all been examined. I still don’t know how they got away with examining Luke without a guardian present. Even in the West Memphis 3 case the parents had to give permission to talk with police and the boy was 17!
Ingold Wood - 7th November 2021 https://www.facebook.com/groups/damienrichardnettles/permalink/10158988058529843/
Just a thought- this could be a story the Crawlspace podcast would be interested in. They profile a number of missing person cases. Have you thought about contacting them and doing an interview?
I’ve just bought the book so will hopefully find some answers there but I’m curious about why the persons charged were released.
In regards to the investigation there were some serious flaws for sure.
If there was a drugs connection would those people have been significant enough to have any influence over local police?
I think you need an independent inquiry into how the investigation was conducted.
Ingold Wood - 7th November 2021
Stephanie Nicol the fact he called Jodi’s home at 5.32pm was brought up in the Red Handed podcast and they seemed to think it pointed to guilt. I see it differently because if he killed Jodi he’s effectively telling them she’s not with him, at this point she’s missing. She left the house according to her family at around 4.55. Her body by 5.32 would be visible near the V wall where anyone could look for her and find it. So why would he want them to know she wasn’t with him? That call should have actually started the search for Jodi. But they respond by telling him she’s just left the house to meet him. By their own statement she left half an hour earlier. He usually met her at the path near her home. But more than half an hour later he’s in the house and she’s unaccounted for. The logical thing would be to ask where was she.
Ingold Wood - 12th November 2021
Lianna Mackie I know the forensics are really complicated to interpret. I struggled with that part of the book. Do we know if the donor of the blood was the same as the sperm? Ev SK’a blood?
Sandra Lean - 19th November 2021
Margaret Anderson I always thought it was an incredibly quick response - JuJ called the police at 11.06pm (from memory) and the two officers were in her house at 11.18pm. And that call was to the local station - it wasn't a 999 call.
Also, she told Luke at 10.49 she'd called "all of Jodi's friends" - we later found out that none of Jodi's friends were called before the police were called. I'd have expected the police's first reaction to have been, have you called her friends and, if so, which ones?
Ingold Wood
Lianna Mackie just about the location where the body was found- from old news footage it’s very close to a school but do we know if this is the school Jodi and Luke went to?
There was a concert that night, was it at this school?
I had a link to the old report somewhere and I was surprised by how close by that school was.
There was also a report that night from some kids who said they were chased by a man in the woods and I think at the trial a witness said she saw a man behaving strangely behind some houses.
I just found it strange that these events occurred allegedly on the night Jodi was murdered. I’m thinking there must have been people in the area going to and returning from the concert.
I’ll see if I can find a link to the footage.
Lianna Mackie
Ingold Wood no it wasn’t their school. There was a concert at the school that night and two people said they were chased by a man.
The path Jodi was found was at the side/back of the school and the road the people were chased was across the front but roans dyke path leads off the main road.
Ingold Wood
Lianna Mackie thank you. At one time the girl who saw the man behaving strangely behind the houses was in one of the groups and I believe she also gave evidence at the trial. It may not have been this group though. But she was pretty convinced that what she saw was significant. A while back I went through all the court reports and it was only mentioned briefly.
Just thinking about what was unusual on that night and the two events plus the concert sort of stand out.
Sandra Lean
Rachel Roll You just raised a question I hadn't given much thought before. Why was it, specifically, 10.38 when JuJ texted the message for Jodi to Luke's phone? By then, Jodi was almost 40 minutes late. JuJ called someone at 10.15 that night - as a mum, with teenage daughters at the time, I know I was clock watching from the minute they didn't return on time - 15 minutes seems like 15 hours!!!! But JuJ must have realised, when she made that 10.15 call that Jodi hadn't come home, then waited another almost 25 minutes before sending a text. What if Luke had gone to bed and not seen that text until the following morning?
Ingold Wood
Danielle Bbarclay yes I’ve also wondered about the situation with YW although I’d been confused and thought Juj had been the one who called her. On a previous occasion when Jodi went missing her sister went to the house of AW and found her there. Jodi was grounded due to being at YW house.. Then Juj phones an unidentified man after the call to YW (allegedly). All of this before she texts Luke? And the content of his phone call with Juj is more worrying because it is claimed she said something like “”just tell me where she is. I won’t be mad” This is from what I recall reading in the press.
Ingold Wood
Danielle Bbarclay yes I do think it shows juj was urgently trying to get in touch with juj’s sister. This sister is Jodi’s aunt, right? I think we could do with a family tree because it’s a bit confusing. Is Jodi’s aunt related to YW?
Sandra Lean
Rachel Roll I don't think we can say the calls to AW's landline back up the three searchers leaving from AW's house, entirely. For example, in one statement JuJ speaks about calling AW on her mobile and says, "By then, my other daughter and her boyfriend were out looking" - doesn't sound like JuJ thinks they're all out looking together. Also, we now know that there were calls answered on AW's landline after the search trio said they'd left, so we've no real way of knowing who was answering the calls in her house.
Finally, and this is the biggest difficulty for me, they said they left after the 11.05pm call from JuJ. Even if they'd hung up the phone and walked straight out the door (and we know they didn't because AW said she had to get dressed and get torches from the cupboard and JaJ and SK spoke about getting jackets and other outdoor clothes) they would have reached the junction of the paths where they were "waiting for Luke" at 11.25pm, at the absolute earliest. That doesn't leave enough time for them to wait for Luke to reach them, have the conversation about whether anyone had anything of Jodi's to scent, deciding on the double check, etc, then starting back "slowly" down the path, until Jodi was found and three of them went over the wall and back before the police were called at 11.35pm. There's just not enough time - from memory, it took 8 minutes from the junction to the V (without anyone going over the wall) at a normal pace in daylight.
From that information, we would have to conclude that they did not leave after the 11.05 phone call - it would have to have been before it - so who answered the 11.05 call?
Lynda Smart
Jodi's family won't want an independent review as they've nothing to gain from but I feel they have a lot to lose !
Sandra Lean
Lynda Smart I think they potentially have everything to gain. They get the truth about the shambles that has been allowed to pass as justice for Jodi and them, the opportunity to find out once and for all if Luke is Jodi's killer and, if not, the opportunity to scream from the rooftops for a reopening of the case to find out who did.
I agree they have a lot to lose, but not in the way many people think. They stand to lose the closure that Luke's conviction has brought them (although it hasn't really been closure, because protestations of Luke's innocence keep coming up), they stand to lose the faith and trust they put in those police officers who assured them, daily, that they had Jodi's "killer" firmly in their sights and they stand to lose all faith in the justice system that they believed had served Jodi well. Those are big losses and I can understand why anyone would be reluctant to countenance those possibilities.
Ingold Wood - 19th November 2021
Ann Ramsay but we already know what the evidence against him was. And of course it wasn’t good enough.
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Ingold Wood - 22nd December 2021
If she was tied up after death that would explain why very little blood was found on the trousers. It’s possible she was tied for the purpose of making it easier to move her body.
So the tying isn’t a fetishised behaviour and is just a practicality in this scenario.
Jodi was 5ft7 and well-built. It would have been difficult for one person alone to move her
Dani Justice - 11th January 2022
Articles from newspaper Daily Record from July 1st 2003 through to around April 2004
Will be adding more from 2004 onwards soon.
#justiceforjodiandluke
#trialbymedia
#fromthearchives
Ingold Wood
Amazing work with compiling this archive. I'm guessing you ordered the old copies?
I think it's so important to have a record of how the investigation progressed in real time. All the way through you can plainly see the press leading the narrative and I think exerting pressure on police for an outcome.
It seems like then, as now, they were struggling for a motive for Jodi's murder.
I'm not sure why they used the younger photo of her- very misleading to put that on posters.
I'm looking at the article about a dispute at the school. What was happening there?
Dani Justice
Ingold Wood Anyone can access these and any other scottish newspapers at library....i have every daily rag article up to the most recent ( posting more soon) and articles from other papers from 1st July onwards ....it"s a daunting job sitting through each daily paper but for me it is important to have it all there. Can't hide the mess when they printed it at the time!
That wasn't regarding the murder it was about the two schools being separated due to religion....would not be in there if not for all the talk about Jodi's murder so i just snapped a pic to show how much they where printing around the case x
Ingold Wood
Dani Justice your library is definitely better than mine! I was looking for some local stuff a while back and they directed me to newspaper archives online that I would have to pay a subscription for.
I’m just imagining you sitting there all day going through the articles…..true detective! For those of us who can’t get hold of them it’s such a great resource.
There’s one I noticed about police and the “fiscal” allegedly having a disagreement about taking the case to prosecution. That was interesting because I wonder if there was some reluctance to proceed based on the evidence they had. Seems the police were pushing for the prosecution to go ahead. They denied any falling out but it looks like there was some tension over the issue. The fiscal would be a government organisation? We don’t have that here.
I think they would look for any local story in the area following Jodi’s murder. Especially if it involved religion. They probably allocated reporters to sniff out every bit of local gossip.
It must have been traumatic for the kids at their school.
The coverage is very polarising too- we’ve got the tragedy of Jodi’s murder presented as though she was a small child rather than a teenager. They seem to have a very unrealistic view of young people. Jodi aged 14 was a young child but Luke at the same age was reported on like a criminal adult. Readers don’t understand the level of manipulation occurring here.
I now have the words “violent wee laddie” stuck in my head as it’s just so inappropriate but also I’m English so I don’t hear that expression often, fortunately.
Mind you, I’m reading some West Memphis 3 case files at the moment and the media coverage directed at teen boys in Arkansas is just as concerning. Early on the media got hold of that case and police leaked a “confession” by one of the accused to the press.
Sandra Lean
Ingold Wood I'm not convinced the media was putting pressure on the police for an outcome - I think the two organisations were working hand in hand to ensure a specific outcome. When you look back, so much of the information being printed by the media could only have been coming from the police - the media were there in droves for both of the raids on Luke's home - the only way they could possibly have known to be there was if the information was leaked to them - and there's only one place that could have come from.
Likewise, the photos of Luke's bedroom - the only people with photos of the inside of the house were the police themselves, so how did the media get a hold of them?
It might just be a stunning coincidence that the media reported Jodi's aunts specifically talking about Jodi borrowing her sister's clothes on the very day the police were handing exactly that "possible explanation" to SK about his DNA on Jodi's t-shirt - what are the chances???
Ingold Wood
Sandra Lean you know, I wondered about those photos of his bedroom. They are on Getty Images I think. What’s interesting there is who would own the copyright? Not just leaked them but sold them. Legally how does that stand?
Sorry to bang on about WM3 but the famous lake knife recovered from the lake behind Baldwin’s home was also a prime photo opportunity. After searching for half an hour the diver surfaced and triumphantly held up the suspicious object for the waiting cameras.
I’ve missed the stuff regarding the aunts but did find it recently in your book. Their press conference is online in archived video and it looks like they did some print interviews around the same time. They appeared to have become the spokespersons for her family at the time.
Why would it even be necessary to mention she borrowed JaJ’s clothes? I mean what relevance would it even have to the public?
Folks must have been in and out of AW’s house daily, swapping clothes and sharing washing machines.
It really is very peculiar.
Ingold Wood
Rachel Roll Luke was intelligent and asserted himself in the interviews. They read this as arrogant and confrontational. He was questioning the authority of the police rather than bending to it.
But you have to remember most of their contact with young people involved seeing them as criminals. They don’t seem to have been big on outreach or educational programmes.
Even for 2003 their approach was outdated and authoritarian. But that might have something to do with having middle aged men in charge. And to an extent they were thrown by the crime itself- offences against young girls and children tend to heighten emotions.
The utter lack of awareness of youth culture is shown in CD’s insistence that they look for suspicious material in Luke’s home such as anything by Marilyn Manson.
Where the Dahlia link came from is still beyond me.
Who would look at a crime scene such as this one and make that connection?
Oh the evils of popular music.
I can’t help thinking that if Jodi’s body had been discovered in the middle of Holyrood Park by a city police team the outcome would have been very different.
The apparent lack of motive drove them to fantastical conclusions. They were stymied in the investigation by their natural desire to make sense out of something that may never make sense.
What happened to Jodi was the product of someone’s violent imagination but we don’t need to go to Goth culture to find a perpetrator.
Anyone with a knife and bad intentions is more than capable.
The reality is much more mundane than anything CD could dream up.
Dani Justice
Ingold Wood The Mitchell library is my haunt haha i sit in 2-3 times a week researching....i have lots of notes on other scottish crimes i didn't know about but where printed about at the time. At one point in 2004 a 17 year old killer escaped from being held and was on the run...then after that a few others got away by mistake...crazy times. Lots and lots to look into now thanks to the archives available. I noticed the criminal justice in Scotland 2003 onwards was (still is) broke and a mess. Really is telling tbh when it comes to Luke's case and the people involved just by the amount was printed and lothian and borders/midloathian was really busy in the papers too...Mr Nimmo was in an article about a woman who committed a crime but didnt sentence due to trial drug she was to take....very strange! i have so much to sort and can post more regularly :) here's me being super serious reading every single day of the rag 🤣🤣😒🤓😨🤦♀️
Ingold Wood
Dani Justice oh love it! You need to start a blog or a podcast to cover all the stuff you’re discovering.
Most of my research isn’t local although where I live we have our own crime stories but nothing that ever really hit the headlines. Back in the 1960s we’ve got Mary Bell the 10 year old “Tyneside strangler” who murdered several children along with her friend Norma Bell. That’s our most famous and long before the Jamie Bulger case. She got a similar sentence and was released a few years later.
We’ve had quite a lot of organised crime related to the nightclub scene.
About 10 years ago we also had the case of Raul Moat who killed a police officer and became a sort of folk hero after an extensive search and chase.
Our next crime meeting on Zoom is about Damien Nettles who disappeared from the Isle of Wight in 1996. His mother thinks he was killed by a drug dealer but he was either drunk or using drugs on the night he disappeared and some suspect he fell into the sea.
Ingood Wood - 2nd December 2021
Michele Scott is this from Sandra’s book regarding the DNA sample found in a condom in the cave?
So if I have this right we can identify SK and JaF as donors but not the other three. SK is mixed with an unknown donor?
So SK’s semen survives a washing cycle to end up on Jodi’s T-shirt then by inappropriate management of the crime scene becomes mixed with some unknown person’s semen? If this is accurate then what are the chances?
So we have SK potentially by innocent transfer. Then we have conform man which may have an innocent explanation such as a condom fetish. Strange I know but possible.
However what about the other 3? In that location on that night we have 3 other people depositing semen.
Semen doesn’t have much of a shelf life and of all the places it is found close to her body?
I’d need to know if any of those samples were found directly on her body or on her clothing.
We have no evidence of sexual assault to Jodi and I’m assuming no DNA was found inside her body.
Lianna Mackie
Ingold Wood no dna inside her body.
Yes, the information about the cave is in Sandra’s book. We will get a post up covering more about the DNA, hopefully tomorrow.
Ingold Wood
Lianna Mackie that’s great thanks.
Ingold Wood - 17th January 2022
What seems to have thrown everywhere off is how they perceived the crime. It was reported as a “frenzied knife attack” but never any suggestion of a sexual element despite finding a naked and bound teenage girl. If we went through the archived press reports would we find any reference to a possible sex crime? I don’t know why that wasn’t considered in view of the various semen results recovered.
Did they pass on the full DNA results to the FBI?
They had nothing of real evidence to support their suspicions of Luke and I think they were hoping for a behavioural profile of killer/s that would rule him in and justify further investigation of him.
But the profile can only be based on supposition eg what the crime scene behaviour tells us about the offender in terms of age, social demographics, sexuality etc.
None of this provided a link to Luke but it would be interesting to know what it did say.
They would also look at Jodi as a victim and the location.
It’s known that younger and more inexperienced offenders choose younger victims. Was Jodi “selected” or just a victim of opportunity?
Who would be in that area at that time?
Those are the behavioural questions.
And who could disappear quickly, unnoticed, to then clean themselves up?
There was nothing nearby except the school.
Do we have an approximate distance to the school building from the area where the body was found?
What would be interesting to know, and maybe someone could research, is whether there were any acts of vandalism reported locally around the time of the murder.
I think they were looking for “similar offences” in terms of violent assaults to young girls, which did not occur, but other senseless acts involving violence to property could be a gateway to how this crime came about and why nothing similar happened again.
Ingold Wood
Rachel Roll thanks for checking that out. I didn’t know they’d made any reference to a possible sexual motive and it’s interesting that the theory changed so quickly without any developments in the investigation.
The only development appears to be that they said, out of nowhere, they couldn’t “rule Luke out”. I believe CD said that. But on what basis because there were so many others they couldn’t rule out either who were seen right at the crime scene. Also what about interviewing known sex offenders? Questioning anyone from the school?
That takes time yet only a few days after the murder they had Luke in for questioning. At that point they wouldn’t have had any results back from other enquiries.
I’ll have to check but I think that was an early article online with CD speaking.
As they were interviewing Luke they were also searching for cave man who abandoned burned items in a nearby cave. Until they located him he was surely suspicious.
So they had these parallel lines of enquiry which were just that- an enquiry to produce evidence of who was responsible, not to confirm an assumption of guilt.
And 5-6 minutes to walk from the school to the scene.
Do you know if the school shows up on Google maps?
Ingold Wood
Danielle Bbarclay thanks so much. I knew I’d seen something like this before but didn’t realise it was so close. If you were a kid at that school the woods would be a perfect place for a sly smoke.
Sandra Lean
Ingold Wood We don't know what information the FBI was shown (or, indeed, what was withheld from them), any more than we know what was in the final report. That that is considered "acceptable" in this day and age is totally beyond me. We now know that there were far more people around that afternoon/evening than the case files would suggest and that there were other people brought to the attention of the police because members of the public were concerned about their behaviours, etc - that information, for sure, would not have been available to the FBI back in 2004 and would surely have had an impact on their findings?
However, the points made in the original post and those afterwards is the selectiveness of Scottish police about when they would rely on the FBI's findings and when they would ignore them. Because FBI profiles are not admissible in our courts (to my knowledge), once again, investigators are off the hook. If it was standardised (for example, any FBI involvement has to be disclosed to the court, whether the report supports or undermines the prosecution case, then this sort of thing would not be allowed to happen.
Ingold Wood
Sandra Lean (Sorry long reply. I’ve been reading through all the new posts and finding so much I didn’t know or hadn’t thought of before.)
yes I agree there was a need for transparency and accountability in how the investigation was conducted. This is after all public money. Selective perception and rejection of expert opinions runs through the case- the “ritual crimes” academic seemed to be of the opinion there was no ritual basis but has stated in his own book that he was repeatedly phoned at home by CD who was behaving obsessively. That comes across strongly- pressure was being placed on individuals identified as experts to produce the desired result. This is the point where someone should have stepped in and reorganised the investigation team. The crucial flaw is lack of independent oversight. In academia your supporting research is peer reviewed to ensure validity and quality. It should also be the case with an investigation. When things go off course they often bring in another force to review their practices and this should have happened very early on. No qualified independent source was backing their theory of the crime or motive. There’s a terrible sort of arrogance and complacency and as we know out of this grows the capacity for negligence.
True we don’t know what information was given to the FBI but as part of the behavioural profile they would absolutely need to know about the footfall in the area, proximity to the school and the fact the school was open and busy when it usually wouldn’t be.
Also I didn’t realise it was so close to where the body was found. Is it our Blue Beacon Truck Wash? When I talk about WM3 people say oh they went into an isolated forest and were murdered, not realising that they were found a very short distance from one of the busiest road stops in the United States. I can always predict the response when I show them a photo of the truck wash a few hundred yards away.
Not that we can reliably form any connection to the nearby school but wouldn’t it raise some questions with that extra footfall? And the fact kids might be mingling in the area, maybe having a smoke in the woods? Even in the sense that they could have been witnesses.
Behaviours related to that location are so important and would form part of the analysis just as forensics would.
We’ve also heard from a girl who claimed they were chased in the woods that night, although this may not have been known at the time or disclosed.
In the trial there was a witness to a man behaving strangely behind some houses and I think the girl posted in one of the groups about what she saw.
Thanks again for your thoughts. Look forward to your posts when you have some free time.
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Sandra Lean - 17th January 2022
Ingold Wood, Rachel Roll, Geraldine Dunn, you have no idea how encouraging it is to see all of you discussing the anomalies in this case so accurately, after all the years of misinformation and misunderstanding. This group is a fantastic resource for anyone who needs THE FACTS and everyone involved is doing a fantastic job. To your comments - Rachel - it was the closeness of the relationship between media and police that first rang serious alarm bells for me. Living locally, I couldn't believe some of the stuff I was seeing and hearing. You're right about the middle aged men mindset. CD wasn't that much older than me at the time and all the nonsense about goth sub-cultures etc made me laugh, given I had two teenaged girls myself at the time. You're absolutely right - he and his team, with the assistance of the media, created a monster where an intelligent, well-mannered, ordinary 14 year old boy once stood. That monster has lived on in people's imaginations for almost two decades.
Ingold, I've been talking about the aunts' reference to the borrowed clothes for years - even before I knew about the DNA, it struck me as odd. The WM3 case has so many similarities with Luke's case, one could almost be forgiven for thinking, had L&B been looking for a "blueprint" to draw from, they had one already in progress!!! But you make another very interesting point - one I hadn't thought of before, about the washing machine transfer. I'll put that in a separate post, because I think it's so important.
Geraldine, as Sara said in the documentary, until these questions are answered, this case is not going to go away. Everyone, including Jodi's family, needs that independent enquiry to uncover the truth, not just about what happened to Jodi and who was responsible but what the police, media and justice services have done in OUR names.
Sandra Lean - 20th January 2022
I think maybe what's even more worrying is the potential forensic evidence that was collected but was never even tested. who knows what that might have thrown up? From memory, 121 items NOT sent for testing????
Ingold Wood
I think maybe what's even more worrying is the potential forensic evidence that was collected but was never even tested. who knows what that might have thrown up? From memory, 121 items NOT sent for testing????
Sandra Lean
Ingold Wood I'd be able to provide them at some point, but not at the moment - I'm really busy with other stuff and wouldn't have time to look them out. I will, though, when I get a chance
Sandra Lean
Michele Scott I'm confident they could be better analysed with modern techniques, but we can't use techniques without samples - it's so frustrating.
Ingold Wood
Am I correct Jodi's mum could not confirm she saw Jodi send those texts. Her phone went missing and she assumed Jodi had borrowed it to text Luke. Its confusing because we have her saying Jodi was sitting on the sofa playing a mobile game before she sent them.
And she says she's ungrounded and doesn't have to wait until 6pm to go out. Maybe I'm just dense but I thought a curfew was based on what time you come home, not what time you go out!
Sandra Lean
Tim Humphreys Three times they searched his house and garden. Twice they searched his dad's, They searched cars, garages, bicycles, his mum's work - nothing. Not a spot, smear, microscopic sample, nothing.
Ingold Wood
Sandra Lean I had no idea they had searched all of that. It must have cost a fortune. The caravan site too.
Ingold Wood
I'm interested in the proximity of the site where the body was discovered to nearby Newbattle High School. Do we know the time the school concert started? I'm thinking of who was likely to be in the woods area as witnesses.
Also Sandra has mentioned people who came forward later to state they were followed in the woods on that night. I think those reports are significant. Maybe we would hear more about this. Cheers.
Ingold Wood - 7th November 2021
That’s really helpful thanks. Does someone at some point try to phone cousin YW and there is no answer?
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood According to JF, there was a call to YW's house just after 10pm from AW - he remembered this because they were watching the 10 o'clock news. He said that he took the phone from AW and assured her that Jodi was not there, as AW was pressing YW. It can't have been during the 10 o'clock news though as no one knew Jodi was missing until 10.40pm, Juj's call to AW ended at 10.46pm and the 10 oclock news lasted 25-30 minutes . A later call went unanswered because they had 'thought no more about it'
*edit* I just checked an old BBC archive and it confirmed the 10 oclock news finished before 10.35 on that date
Ingold Wood
Ana Azaria yes and Juj’s text to Luke is 22.38!
So this suggests they knew she was missing for some time before texting Luke and went immediately to YW, not Luke.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood Or JF got the time mixed up and they weren't watching the 10 oclock news, guess we will never know :/
Ingold Wood
Ana Azaria but there would be a record of the time of the call? Phone record? Sorry I don’t have Sandra’s book to hand so can’t check but it may be in there.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood I'm just reading through the phone calls and at 11.06pm, a call connected to AW's landline - this is 3 minutes after the search trio left and none of them mentioned anyone remaining in the house. It later emerged that there were two other (un-named) family members staying at AW's on the night of the murder.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood I can't see that call to YW in the log, just JF's own accounts
Dani Justice
Ingold Wood JF Jodi's cousin says he recalls a phone call from AW landline to YW landline at 10pm asking if Jodi is there but no one knows Jodi is missing yet.
Ingold Wood - 13th May 2022 https://www.facebook.com/groups/damienrichardnettles/permalink/10159311225069843/
We have been talking about Luke's disappearance in another group. I listened to The Missing podcast episode and several others.
I think the public's perception of this case has been distorted by efforts to suggest Luke was dealing drugs. I have to keep in mind these were small towns, not New York, and he worked in a fruit and veg shop, in addition to restaurants. This is not Breaking Bad.
Whatever Luke was doing I cannot see him as player in an international drugs ring. Perhaps he had small amounts for personal use, I don't know.
Unfortunately this has been exaggerated out of all proportion. The suggestion he was picked up by drugs kingpins and made to disappear is ludicrous.
What I picked up on is:
-Luke hadn't expressed any intention to go to that club on the night he disappeared.
It wasn't his regular haunt and it was some distance away. Why go there?
-Luke left his wallet and phone at his friends flat "in case he lost them"? Seriously? I can understand taking cash and maybe leaving the wallet but not the phone. How would he contact his friends if he was separated from them? How would he phone a taxi?
-For whatever reason the person he went to the club with left him there knowing he had no phone.
- After leaving the club Luke went to a taxi office and tried to get a ride home but didn't have the money.. does this sound like someone trying to disapoear?
-Later if I have it right he went to the train station, still trying to find a way home.
There are some unusual behaviours which don't add up here.
And reports of him seen the next day in a car driven by a "black guy" just sound like fantasy. Same as the Brixon drugs connection and his visit to the theatre.
Sadly I think he was taken that night but not in any connection to drugs or by people he knew. Remember no one expected him to be at that club.
The CCTV of the car in the poster is the last valid documented evidence.
Also the person he went to the club with wasn't his regular friend. Not sure how Luke ended up with him.
Luke was due at work the next day and was trying to get home.
This is a genuine tragedy and I hope his family receive the answers they deserve.
Police in my opinion needed to ask his friends a few more questions about that night.
Sandra Lean - 1st November 2022
Good evening everyone! Massive thanks for all the comments and shares for the latest video. Can I just remind everyone, though, we still have to be very, very mindful of speculation. Even though the evidence now tells us that some people were definitely privy to information that they did not disclose to investigators, that doesn't equal proof that they were in any way involved (knowingly or otherwise) with what happened to Jodi ... or, ultimately, Luke.
I know how careful you all are, I just wanted to clarify that very thin line between what we now know and what it actually proves or disproves in other aspects of the case.
Sandra Lean
Niall Sutherland Thanks Niall - I couldn't believe how it all linked together, once I'd made the first connection!
Sandra Lean
Kirsty Smith I know, sometimes, the more you know, the more frustrating it becomes, since it all seems so obviously wrong, there's a sense that "they" should be paying attention now and doing something to put it right.
But, as I've pointed out so many times, it's going to be up to US to force them to act - they'll never do it of their own accord.
Mandy Jamieson
Keep up the good work. We can only hope for our criminal justice system to see sense, admit they got it wrong and give luke the trial he deserves.
Chances of this are???
Sandra Lean
Mandy Jamieson They won't do it willingly, Mandy, that's for sure
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Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood According to JF, there was a call to YW's house just after 10pm from AW - he remembered this because they were watching the 10 o'clock news. He said that he took the phone from AW and assured her that Jodi was not there, as AW was pressing YW. It can't have been during the 10 o'clock news though as no one knew Jodi was missing until 10.40pm, Juj's call to AW ended at 10.46pm and the 10 oclock news lasted 25-30 minutes . A later call went unanswered because they had 'thought no more about it'
*edit* I just checked an old BBC archive and it confirmed the 10 oclock news finished before 10.35 on that date
Ingold Wood
Ana Azaria yes and Juj’s text to Luke is 22.38!
So this suggests they knew she was missing for some time before texting Luke and went immediately to YW, not Luke.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood Or JF got the time mixed up and they weren't watching the 10 oclock news, guess we will never know :/
Ingold Wood
Ana Azaria but there would be a record of the time of the call? Phone record? Sorry I don’t have Sandra’s book to hand so can’t check but it may be in there.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood I'm just reading through the phone calls and at 11.06pm, a call connected to AW's landline - this is 3 minutes after the search trio left and none of them mentioned anyone remaining in the house. It later emerged that there were two other (un-named) family members staying at AW's on the night of the murder.
Ana Azaria
Ingold Wood I can't see that call to YW in the log, just JF's own accounts
Dani Justice
Ingold Wood JF Jodi's cousin says he recalls a phone call from AW landline to YW landline at 10pm asking if Jodi is there but no one knows Jodi is missing yet.
Sandra Lean - 2nd November 2023
Since Sunday's live, a lot of you have been talking about "remembering" and "forgetting". It occured to me that the passage of time CAN'T be blamed for many of the "forgettings" - for example:
JoF (according to himself and YW) was talking to people about having been on the path with GD, on the moped, as early as July 1st (when AW told him not to go to the police). JoF also forgot why he didn't go to [Name removed]'s at 6 o'clock and that he didn't go straight from GD's to YW's somewhere around 9 o'clock that night (because he forgot what time it was, as did the 3 other people in GD's house who saw him leave).
JoF and GD admitted that between the morning of July 1st and talking to the police and July 5th and 6th, they were "talking about everything." On July 4th GD said his mum phoned him to tell him the police were looking for him, because he'd been on the path, with the moped, on the day of the murder.
JuJ, by July 12th, had no memory of Jodi using her (JuJ's) phone. In fact, for weeks, she was very vague - Jodi "might have been playing a game on JuJ's phone," "might have had something in her hands" etc. By trial, 19 months after the murder, she fully remembered Jodi texting Luke, Luke texting back etc. She forgot that her mother had popped in around midday, but remembered every detail of making a lasagne for tea (which took around 5 hours).
AW, by trial, did not remember why she'd decided to go straight to the path (or, indeed, why they hadn't waited or checked to see if Jodi was anywhere else) - they "just did". She forgot that there must have been someone left behind in her home answering calls. Within 5 days of finding Jodi's body, she'd forgotten what she was wearing, but remembered that she'd washed everyone's clothes - and even the type of detergent she used. Initially, she forgot to mention JoF and [Name removed] spending the Saturday and Sunday nights immediately prior to the murder, in her house. But she did remember that [Name removed] wasn't at his mothers, around midday on June 30th, when she stopped in there to use the toilet.
SK and JaJ initially forgot that they spent the whole day together - initially, they remembered that SK went back to his dad's alone and he and JaJ didn't meet up again until later. They forgot what they had for dinner until 12 days later when SK's dad (apparently) remembered in detail, right down to having to drive all the way to Tesco (bypassing the local Scotmid) to buy some very mundane items.
[Name removed] "remembered" that his mum woke him at 10.30 to tell him Jodi was missing - 12 minutes before anyone knew she hadn't been with Luke. He "remembered" everyone, including Jodi, eating dinner at the table. But he forgot about JoF supposedly coming back at 6pm and he forgot whether it was a 9 bar or a half bar he bought that day, then remembered, yes, it was a 9 bar.
AO remembered coming out of the bathroom and seeing JaJ in the living room, then remembered that he'd made a mistake and JaJ was actually [Name removed].
All of this remembering and forgetting - ALL of it - was within less than 4 weeks of Jodi's murder.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Steve's hand should have been bitten off when I got him to offer his services for free a year & a half ago.
How much longer will that decision not to cost Luke?
Steve has real experience of getting an innocent person out of prison.
youtube.com
Steve Moore CBS 2 interview about Amanda Knox
7:49 PM · Nov 2, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1720166244035256746
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
@NewbattleTweets
I was a student 2002-3💚 but I'm,shocked the college doesn't have my records. I was really saddened to hear the college had lost all records pertaining to their/staff involvement in the murder of Jodie Jones(14)
7:00 PM · Nov 1, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
They claim to have no records of myself/mark k and police taking statements involving their students.
2:50 PM · Nov 2, 2023
*&^^&
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
@NewbattleTweets
I was a student 2002-3💚 but I'm,shocked the college doesn't have my records. I was really saddened to hear the college had lost all records pertaining to their/staff involvement in the murder of Jodie Jones(14)
7:00 PM · Nov 1, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
They claim to have no records of myself/mark k and police taking statements involving their students.
2:50 PM · Nov 2, 2023
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You didn’t give any statements in 2002/03 Scott Forbes - you waited years before you concocted your story about Mark Kane
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And the college won’t have police witness statements
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Who was/is Inka Oldmoot Sandra Lean?
The Following Statements Have Been Reproduced For Evidential, Educational & Research Purposes Only
Sandra Lean - 31st July 2022
We don't normally post stuff from MSM, or full names, but this one is different and I'll take full, personal responsibility for any backlash.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Jane Hamilton, a "journalist" who, for years, has demonised a woman who has never been convicted of any crime, a woman whose home was ransacked and completely trashed not once, but three times, whose precious memories were stolen from her and her even more precious son taken away from her. That woman is Corinne Mitchell. The hypocrisy is breath-taking.
When did Jane Hamilton get to decide who is a "deserving" or an "undeserving", vulnerable woman??
Inka Oldmoot
What should be questioned is JH’s objectivity given what is known about her long relationship with Jodi’s immediate family.
The reportage was never based on facts, but was designed to cover this as an epic drama between the “righteous victims” of Jodi’s family and what was described as “Devil’s spawn” Luke Mitchell and his mother CM.
These are simple, polarising narratives that her readers can understand and immediately relate to. Those same readers would be intellectually challenged in following the technicalities of the investigation, trial and conviction. JH knows this so aims low for the thickos.
It’s not a stretch to say JH made it her business to incite hatred, to legitimise and weaponise the climate of suspicion and aggression running through the local community and to manipulate it to her own advantage.
There were articles stating “JUJ wouldn’t want anyone to be hurt…” as though it was JUJ herself who was judge and jury in this bizarre community court.
This completely derailed the authority of the Justice system and went straight to village justice.
Meanwhile no one questioned the irregularities in the statements of Jodi’s family or their own complicity in the neglect of 14 year old Jodi. There are serious questions regarding the assault on Jodi by a family member prior to her death, her own expressed difficulties in coping with her home environment, and other familial factors that put her at risk.
Crucially I think CM had money- not a lot- but she was independent and successful in running her own business and supporting her family on her own. She lived in the nicer part with a better home.
I can’t rule out a certain amount of jealousy based on the economics of the area, and this would make her an easy target in a particularly brutal environment.
Luke had certain advantages such as his pony and bikes. He had signs of wealth.
I wonder if this isn’t partly what incited the local hatred based on envy.
JH was able to channel the most feral aspects of that community, perhaps knowing them well herself.
Sandra Lean
Inka Oldmoot Again, if you don't mind, I'll take your post point by point!
"What should be questioned is JH’s objectivity given what is known about her long relationship with Jodi’s immediate family.
The reportage was never based on facts, but was designed to cover this as an epic drama between the “righteous victims” of Jodi’s family and what was described as “Devil’s spawn” Luke Mitchell and his mother CM.
These are simple, polarising narratives that her readers can understand and immediately relate to. Those same readers would be intellectually challenged in following the technicalities of the investigation, trial and conviction. JH knows this so aims low for the thickos."
Although I agree, broadly, that JH's objectivity (and her responsibility, as a journalist to present a balance of fact and evidence to the reading/watching public is implicit), I object to your final comment that she "aims low for the thickos" - we have some highly intelligent people in this group who are furious at being duped by what appeared, at the time, to be a blanket media opinion, supported by "facts" - JH, alone, cannot be held responsible for that and the readers/viewers who were duped by it cannot, in any reality, be labelled "thickos". We need to understand what was available to people at the time and why many believed it. This was 2003 - before the current, instantly available online information we have today.
"It’s not a stretch to say JH made it her business to incite hatred, to legitimise and weaponise the climate of suspicion and aggression running through the local community and to manipulate it to her own advantage.
There were articles stating “JUJ wouldn’t want anyone to be hurt…” as though it was JUJ herself who was judge and jury in this bizarre community court.
This completely derailed the authority of the Justice system and went straight to village justice."
Were there articles stating JuJ "wouldn't want anyone to be hurt"? If so, where are they and in what context? If those articles are able to be reproduced here, is there any evidence that JH manipulated or capitalised on them? Again, we need to see the evidence, otherwise, we fall into the same murky ground that all of this proliferated from, in the first place. Is there a difference between "the authority of the justice system" and "village justice," given that the entire jury system is actually predicated on "village justice" - i.e. jurors are drawn from a pool of peers of the accused?
"Meanwhile no one questioned the irregularities in the statements of Jodi’s family or their own complicity in the neglect of 14 year old Jodi. There are serious questions regarding the assault on Jodi by a family member prior to her death, her own expressed difficulties in coping with her home environment, and other familial factors that put her at risk".
Now, I have to object quite forcefully. Where is there evidence of, specifically, neglect of Jodi? We know that there was an assault on a female member of Jodi's family, prior to the murder - to my knowledge, there is no evidence in the public domain that that member of the family was Jodi.
It's also not true to say that "no-one questioned the irregularities in the statements of Jodi's family" - as I've already stated, many times, DF did everything he could to pull this out at trial.
"Crucially I think CM had money- not a lot- but she was independent and successful in running her own business and supporting her family on her own. She lived in the nicer part with a better home.
I can’t rule out a certain amount of jealousy based on the economics of the area, and this would make her an easy target in a particularly brutal environment.
Luke had certain advantages such as his pony and bikes. He had signs of wealth.
I wonder if this isn’t partly what incited the local hatred based on envy."
This section of your comment demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about the local community as it was lived by the people there. Again, it contributes nothing to JH's involvement.
We are talking about a 3 - 5 mile proximity of interlinked communities. The local high schools had a mix of pupils from different social and economic circumstances who supported each other in ways that don't meet the "expected" interactions. Couple of examples - 5 minutes walk from my home on a council estate were stables owned by the father of a girl I went to high school with - we were all invited to come and ride (or learn to ride). When Jodi was murdered, my children were part of a similar, but slightly different community, about 5 miles south. Again, the invitation to become part of each others' community was open and freely accepted. A girl from what would now be considered a "lower group" showed exceptional talent as an athlete, so she was incorporated into the athletics group, no questions asked about where her kit, etc, would come from - it was taken as given.
"JH was able to channel the most feral aspects of that community, perhaps knowing them well herself."
Please demonstrate "the most feral aspects of that community" before asking us to accept someone else's apparent manipulation of them? My 50 year experience of this community has been anything but "feral"
Inka Oldmoot
Sandra Lean I’m not sure your reply to the points is showing up Sandra!
Inka Oldmoot
Thank you. The areas you mentioned are duly noted.
Inka Oldmoot
Regarding “thickos” yes perhaps that is a little strong. Some of the more discerning readers have indeed revised their opinions based on new evidence but there are still some stalwarts who have based their judgement of LMs guilt on those early media articles of JH and others and cannot be persuaded even when presented with the alternative facts. Failure to engage in an objective discussion and not being open to revising a viewpoint when presented with facts to the alternative for me suggests an element of ignorance.
Regarding an “assault on Jodi” I’m just basing this on my interpretation of what has appeared recently in the public domain. So it would be my reading that the female victim of this assault was Jodi, although I agree this has not been confirmed.
The articles stating JUJ would not want anyone to be harmed are early news reports although I have to admit I can’t confirm they were written by JH. The particular article I’m thinking of was in a local paper and it was published online. Although I will have to go back and dig out the link.
Yes, I agree it’s possible to see the Judicial system as an aspect of village justice although in the courtroom the Judge presides so there is at least supposedly some sense of order as far as the system goes. Justice is not left to the proclivities of individuals, or at least should not be.
I don’t personally have the experience of living in that community, true, although I have based some of my assumptions on what CM herself recounted in interviews- that if she went into an area with mostly tabloid readers as the demographic she might expect to experience some harassment while if she ventured into an area of broadsheet/ quality readers she found people were more objective and sympathetic.
Those charged with burning her caravans were. I believe, from the tabloid demographic. When I suggest a “feral” mindset, this is what I’m referring to.
By no means am I suggesting that exists throughout the community.
Sharon ODonnell
Inka Oldmoot it wasnt the community that hated Luke ! The media brain washed this community into believing Luke from day dot was in-fact the murderer threw JH she new what she was doing rite from the get go ! Of course we believed it she hid truths only printed lies ! Vile woman
Michelle Celestial Easterly Moore
Inka Oldmoot reporters sometimes get a "scoop" from the Prosecution or LE and that's their in for getting a name. They might simply become biased. Or they are bad people. I've known a few journos who knew truth and reported BS for selfish reasons
Inka Oldmoot
Michelle Celestial-Easterly Moore I think there’s also the issue of JH’s editor. Ultimately reporters are answerable to their boss and we have to ask why it was that she was enabled in writing these articles. No consideration given to child protection and the issue of divulging details of a minor, because someone gave her free rein to write whatever she chose to write.
Who let that happen?.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Steve's hand should have been bitten off when I got him to offer his services for free a year & a half ago.
How much longer will that decision not to cost Luke?
Steve has real experience of getting an innocent person out of prison.
youtube.com
Steve Moore CBS 2 interview about Amanda Knox
7:49 PM · Nov 2, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1720166244035256746
The channel 5 TV show was based on scammer Sandra Lean’s book
catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Didn't know this - wow! Steve Moore offered his services for free 🤔
7:53 PM · Nov 2, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
I do, it was not 'directly rejected' but indirectly as there was a lack of the agreed information getting to him that he required so he could help. He needs to go on more than a book he needs to have the facts first hand.
8:01 PM · Nov 2, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1720169298109350383
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Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
I wonder how many actually understand how a narrative is ‘adopted’ by the prosecution and fed to the jury…
Did this happen in Luke Mitchell’s case?
ABSOLUTELY!
@AuldM
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
@SandraLean5
@Naomi_TV
@Jerome_Elaut
#justiceforlukemitchell
9:44 am · 14 Dec 2022
Auld Mick
@AuldM
Replying to
@mattelliottphot
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
and 4 others
The police and prosecutor worked hand in hand. If any witnesses gave evidence contrary to police narrative, they were ignored, smeared or bullied. Evidence that questioned the narrative was hidden or destroyed
9:47 am · 14 Dec 2022
Matthew Elliott is a ‘super-fan’ of psychopathic and sadistic child killers
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Happy Birthday
@damienechols
I hope it doesn’t come and leave on silent feet.
4:45 pm · 11 Dec 2022
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
https://facebook.com/groups/justfourteen/?ref=share_group_link…
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4:28 PM · Aug 3, 2023
Michelle Moore
@michellesings
Im very excited Matt is doing this. Such a great guy and such a great CAUSE. #FreeLukeMitchell.
4:15 PM · Aug 3, 2023
Two months later it was announced Matt Elliott had cancelled his video
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Matt explain's why he was left with no choice on his group. I feel for him in this situation.
https://facebook.com/groups/justfourteen/?ref=share_group_link…
Luke deserves better!
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https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1713193942768869819
Matt Elliott’s Facebook group “Just Fourteen.…” is a private group with admins Sharon Indy Sunshine, Sheryl Ramsey, Donna Gee, Angie Timothy, Barbara Bacon, Angie Georgina Timothy & Matt Elliott
Matt Elliott and Donna provided fraudster Bob Ruff with their “research”
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
@StinsonHunter
message ref Luke Mitchell
11:29 AM · Sep 9, 2023
https://twitter.com/mattelliottphot/status/1700456490321015273
More on psychopath Stinson Hunter here https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/oct/02/the-paedophile-hunter-review-dark-and-disturbing
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“It’s a pointless exercise” - “the transcripts themselves would not take us anywhere”
“Every day spent faffing around wasting time, is another day he’s stuck in there” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 29th October 2023 (YouTube)
“The second thing I have a real issue with”
“I have a huge issue with individuals who will use vulnerable people, exploit them to do their own dirty work, whilst hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles and doing so to try to prove a point rather than take the case forward - that to me is despicable, absolutely despicable ” ~ narcissist Sandra Lean 29th Oct 2023 (YouTube)
How many “anonymous or fake profiles” have you and do you knowingly communicate with on Facebook Sandra Lean?
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How many “anonymous or fake profiles” have you and do you knowingly communicate with on Facebook Sandra Lean?
As well as the known numerous anon Facebook accounts, does un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton post “hiding behind either anonymous or fake profiles” Sandra Lean - as he renowned for doing?
Well, knock me down with a feather!!...Sandra Lean gets it wrong again!!
After many long years promoting the 'Luke Mitchell is innocent' agenda, Dr Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton have called it a day and exited from the case. Has this something to do with what I predicted quite some time ago and that it that the SCCRC have refused to refer the case to Edinburgh's Court of Appeal.
Sandra Leans co admin at Wrongly Accused Person Organsation, Billy Middleton, explains in his latest rendering...
The road to where things now are for Luke and his case has been a long, difficult and often stressful one for all those who have genuinely believed in and supported him. I say genuinely because, as we know from experience, not everyone who becomes involved in cases such as this have genuine motives. Sandra became involved at a much earlier stage than most, but I don't think anyone with any credibility would suggest she has been anything other than supportive, or that she hasn't tried hard for almost 11 years, at great personal hardship, and often in difficult circumstances, to both help and to expose facts of the case which otherwise would probably still not be known.
Unfortunately, shortly before the SCCRC refusal, at a time when she knew it's decision was imminent, Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why. She remains supportive to this day. Anyone involved in the horror of fighting a wrongful conviction will understand the ever present difficulties of the situation.
Luke was merely a child himself when he was incarcerated, now, although he's not been allowed to develop as he should have been, he's a man. What he does now, and the choices he now makes are his alone to make and his responsibility. I wish him well, hope he makes wise choices and is someday successful. For me every day longer will be yet another too long for both him and Jodi to finally get the justice they deserve. However, in the absence of the connection that once existed, and the mandate which went along with it to validate what has been exposed both here on the forum and on his caseblog, WAP is in a difficult position. It is the most sensitive of cases, and the extent and nature of what has been highlighted could only be done in large part due to the fact it has been done on the basis of having access to the supporting documents. Clearly that is no longer the case, and while I had hoped to be able to archive it due to a SCCRC referral, I don't really see how it can remain available.
So while I wish Luke well and hope for a positive outcome, anything which depends on access to his paperwork will have to be taken offline in a week's time roughly. It does not in any way reflect a change in opinion on his case, and if anyone wants to start a topic which isn't notably said to be backed up by case papers they are perfectly free to do so in the general forum area as with any other deserved case providing discussion remains polite, respectful to all concern and dignified.l
Considerable thought has been given to this decision, and it has not been arrived at lightly, but sadly I can't see how, given the nature of the case and all that goes along with it how it can remain now.
www.forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-general/150/
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Sandra Leans co admin at Wrongly Accused Person Organsation, Billy Middleton, explains in his latest rendering...
The road to where things now are for Luke and his case has been a long, difficult and often stressful one for all those who have genuinely believed in and supported him. I say genuinely because, as we know from experience, not everyone who becomes involved in cases such as this have genuine motives. Sandra became involved at a much earlier stage than most, but I don't think anyone with any credibility would suggest she has been anything other than supportive, or that she hasn't tried hard for almost 11 years, at great personal hardship, and often in difficult circumstances, to both help and to expose facts of the case which otherwise would probably still not be known.
Unfortunately, shortly before the SCCRC refusal, at a time when she knew it's decision was imminent, Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why. She remains supportive to this day. Anyone involved in the horror of fighting a wrongful conviction will understand the ever present difficulties of the situation.
Luke was merely a child himself when he was incarcerated, now, although he's not been allowed to develop as he should have been, he's a man. What he does now, and the choices he now makes are his alone to make and his responsibility. I wish him well, hope he makes wise choices and is someday successful. For me every day longer will be yet another too long for both him and Jodi to finally get the justice they deserve. However, in the absence of the connection that once existed, and the mandate which went along with it to validate what has been exposed both here on the forum and on his caseblog, WAP is in a difficult position. It is the most sensitive of cases, and the extent and nature of what has been highlighted could only be done in large part due to the fact it has been done on the basis of having access to the supporting documents. Clearly that is no longer the case, and while I had hoped to be able to archive it due to a SCCRC referral, I don't really see how it can remain available.
So while I wish Luke well and hope for a positive outcome, anything which depends on access to his paperwork will have to be taken offline in a week's time roughly. It does not in any way reflect a change in opinion on his case, and if anyone wants to start a topic which isn't notably said to be backed up by case papers they are perfectly free to do so in the general forum area as with any other deserved case providing discussion remains polite, respectful to all concern and dignified.l
Considerable thought has been given to this decision, and it has not been arrived at lightly, but sadly I can't see how, given the nature of the case and all that goes along with it how it can remain now.
www.forum.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/series-on-cases-from-sandra-leans-book-no-smoke/luke-mitchell-wrongly-convicted-of-murder-general/150/
Scammer Sandra Lean claimed Corinne Mitchell put a note through her door taking away power of attorney around the time of the above (on the date of one of her adult daughters birthdays she claimed)
Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton stated, “Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why”
Was this yet another bare faced lie?
Did killer Luke Mitchell and/or his mother Corinne Mitchell threaten WAP/Sandra Lean with legal action?
How did Sandra Lean self-publish her 2nd innocence fraud book in October 2018 without said power of attorney ?
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Scammer Sandra Lean claimed Corinne Mitchell put a note through her door taking away power of attorney around the time of the above (on the date of one of her adult daughters birthdays she claimed)
Un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton stated, “Sandra came to a point whereby she was no longer prepared to carry on and wrote to Luke explaining why”
Was this yet another bare faced lie?
Did killer Luke Mitchell and/or his mother Corinne Mitchell threaten WAP/Sandra Lean with legal action?
How did Sandra Lean self-publish her 2nd innocence fraud book in October 2018 without said power of attorney ?
Can killer Luke Mitchell and/or scammer Sandra Lean provide evidence for the exact dates of when Sandra had/was given power of attorney and when she didn’t have it?
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Nicky Brendan Aka Nicola Brennan - Facebook - today
Afternoon @everyone !!
Which of you lovely people will be able to join us on Saturday for the next protest?
We will be meeting from 12.30-1pm on the Royal Mile, straight across from the High Court for a 1pm start.
Nicola Brennan - 10th May 2021
I understand not tagging Sandra in posts, however I feel to is a bit ridiculous to remove my comment from here tagging her to make sure she see's this as it could be very important.
Stacy Stocks
Nicola Brennan same happened to me the other day, kinda gave up commenting now
Gem Jayne
Sorry guys it is part of the agreed rules when joining the page. To explain why, it quickly adds up to hundreds of notifications a day for Sandra on top of an already busy schedule and admin are always on hand to answer any questions. We are moderating everything so ask as many questions and make as many comments as you like but we are all trying to avoid eating into Sandra's day. The mods and admin are an extension of Sandra so use us ✌❤
Nicola Brennan
Gem JC I totally understand that and it makes total sense.
However when it is relating to something important it seems crazy.
Its fine, I spoke to her myself
Lorraine Ann McClelland
That post has been up b4 I'm sure she must know about it xx
Nicola Brennan
Lorraine Ann McClelland yeah she had seen it, just wanted to make sure xx
If you are reading this Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan, you are being used, manipulated and triangulated by killer Luke Mitchell and scammer Sandra Lean
Triangulation is “a highly effective strategy to earn an advantage over noted rivals by manipulating them into conflicts between one another. Triangulation is a method used by selfish individuals to comfort and protect their egos.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-triangulation-in-psychology-5120617#:~:text=Some%20people%20with%20narcissistic%20personality,keeping%20potential%20competitors%20off%2Dbalance
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Huge turn out for The Lean Roadshow in Edinburgh today - roads closed in all directions as newcomers flocked to hear the doctor testing her new-ish Britney Spears headset. Tip: don't stand in front of the speakers.
Merchandise and raffle tickets on sale too for the Save Our Sandra fundraiser coming soon - all for a good cause.
In reality, it was the usual stragglers with probably more banners on display than actual protesters.
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There were no calls made from the landline from the Mitchell house between 4:01pm up to 9:57pm
None!
The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
Who lived in Bathgate?
Mayfield to Bathgate is apparently a 35 minute drive
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Who lived in Bathgate?
Mayfield to Bathgate is apparently a 35 minute drive
Not sure if P Mitchell lived in Bathgate or Livingston at the time.
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Shane Mitchell appears to have got home at around 4:45pm to 4:50pm that day
His internet session began at 4:53pm
He told the jury he was at home between 4:55pm and left “just after” 6:20pm to visit Gary Coyle’s house
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Who lived in Bathgate?
Mayfield to Bathgate is apparently a 35 minute drive
Where did Corinne Mitchell’s adoptive mother Ruby and adoptive brother Des Guetta live?
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Shane Mitchell appears to have got home at around 4:45pm to 4:50pm that day
His internet session began at 4:53pm
He told the jury he was at home between 4:55pm and left “just after” 6:20pm to visit Gary Coyle’s house
But at 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverage’s house
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But at 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverage’s house
In that case, would he not have seen his brother waiting at the end of the road as he drove past?
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Bare faced lies and projections from fraudster Sandra Lean
Shane Mitchell and Corinne Mitchell
“Apart from Corinne, Luke’s brother, Shane, was the only other person who could definitively place Luke at home between 4.50pm and 5.30pm, thereby eliminating Luke as the murderer. Given what we already know about the lengths to which investigators were prepared to go in order to preserve and promote their chosen theory, it goes without saying that the need to negate any of Shane’s information that might support Luke’s innocence would be of a high priority. From p.303 of betraying the innocent
*&^^&
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Huge turn out for The Lean Roadshow in Edinburgh today - roads closed in all directions as newcomers flocked to hear the doctor testing her new-ish Britney Spears headset. Tip: don't stand in front of the speakers.
Merchandise and raffle tickets on sale too for the Save Our Sandra fundraiser coming soon - all for a good cause.
In reality, it was the usual stragglers with probably more banners on display than actual protesters.
Were Gemma Chapman and Nicola Brennan there?
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Killer Luke Mitchell was not seen by any witnesses between around 18:16pm-19:30pm
But did his brother Shane or mother Corinne Mitchell see his between these times?
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Not sure if P Mitchell lived in Bathgate or Livingston at the time.
Did Philip Mitchell’s telephone number come up as a Bathgate number ?
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But at 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverage’s house
What was the name of the person Shane Mitchell visited after he finished work at 3:30pm?
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Huge turn out for The Lean Roadshow in Edinburgh today - roads closed in all directions as newcomers flocked to hear the doctor testing her new-ish Britney Spears headset. Tip: don't stand in front of the speakers.
The new-ish £20 headset - what did scammer Sandra Lean spend the rest of the buy me a coffee money on?
She’s apparently sending a link to Bob Ruff so that the people he is duping can now donate to Sandra and the “Lean roadshow”
*&^^&
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But at 6:04pm Shane Mitchell said he was on his way to Mr Beverage’s house
Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16om Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pn’, which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
UPDATED TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“I watched in horror as lie after lie spread across the internet, like a filthy oil slick page 25 of betraying the innocent
*&^^&
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SIO Craig Dobbie;
“(Luke) Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way.
Why not?
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
Thanks. Very interesting reading, with it being straight from the horse's mouth and all. Did it cost money to obtain those official court transcripts? Can they be downloaded and posted elsewhere online?
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Thanks. Very interesting reading, with it being straight from the horse's mouth and all
What did you find interesting about it?
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Did it cost money to obtain those official court transcripts?
Might be an idea to ask that question to whoever published them
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Can they be downloaded and posted elsewhere online?
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
The witnesses names from those 👆🏽transcripts appear to be
David Stirling or David Suttie
Robert Gilhooly
Rachel Quinn
Chemistry teacher - Mr Mc
Maths teacher - Mr Q
Mr George Ramage
Matthew Muraska
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
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Mikey Taylor
@MikeyTaylor2005
Have you actually read this shit before you posted it 😆 🤣. If you did you'd notice NONE of Luke's friends knew any of the people mentioned. That's because the only people who claimed Luke had a Parker before the murder were people who didn't know Luke at all. Another fail!
3:55 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/MikeyTaylor2005/status/1721194460883628467
Abuser Mikey Taylor went to Dalkeith high and lived in Woodburn
Many of his statements (which are bare faced lies) he has chosen to publish to X/Twitter could leave him wide open to legal action
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
Did it cost money to obtain those official court transcripts?
Might be an idea to ask that question to whoever published them 👇👇
TJ C
@TJC1419439
Luke Mitchell trial transcripts - the Parka and the witnesses
New info
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html…
#lukemitchell
#justiceforjodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
2:41 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721175836118659390
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Luke Mitchell trial transcripts - the Parka and the witnesses
New info
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html…
#lukemitchell
#justiceforjodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
2:41 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721175836118659390
Only joined Twitter this month and only one tweet.
Watching their progress with interest.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Wow! 1 they are available and 2 this is not the information we were told. My personal opinion is if he was seen in one, it was in his friend's Parka that could explain why the police got a warrant and had it hidden in evidence for 20 years to cause doubts about peoples honesty.
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
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Luke Mitchell trial transcripts - the Parka and the witnesses
New info
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html…
#lukemitchell
#justiceforjodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
Show more
2:49 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1721177835635712082
Why didn’t killer Luke Mitchell tell the police he wore his friends parka as you now allege Sharon?
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Luke Mitchell trial transcripts - the Parka and the witnesses
New info
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html…
#lukemitchell
#justiceforjodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
2:41 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721175836118659390
Only joined Twitter this month and only one tweet.
Watching their progress with interest.
@TJC1419439
You sure ?
@TjC1419957
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In that case, would he not have seen his brother waiting at the end of the road as he drove past?
From the timings - Shane Mitchell could have met with his brother on his way to Gary Coyle’s house
Killer Luke Mitchell was not seen by any witnesses between 6:15pm-6:20pm up to around 7:30pm when he met with the two David’s and the other lad at the Abbey
He was missing for around 45-50 minutes
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The witnesses names from those 👆🏽transcripts appear to be
David Stirling or David Suttie
Robert Gilhooly
Rachel Quinn
Chemistry teacher - Mr Mc
Maths teacher - Mr Q
Mr George Ramage
Matthew Muraska
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
There will have also have been numerous witnesses who made statements and who didn’t give evidence during the trial
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@TJC1419439
You sure ?
@TjC1419957
That TJC seems to have joined last month and has no followers and no posts.
Or perhaps you know differently?
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From the timings - Shane Mitchell could have met with his brother on his way to Gary Coyle’s house
Killer Luke Mitchell was not seen by any witnesses between 6:15pm-6:20pm up to around 7:30pm when he met with the two David’s and the other lad at the Abbey
He was missing for around 45-50 minutes
He met his friends at 7pm at the abbey. Tulloch said so on oath in court. I have posted the quote several times. Would you like me to post it again?
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He met his friends at 7pm at the abbey. Tulloch said so on oath in court. I have posted the quote several times. Would you like me to post it again?
David Tullock and the other lad met David High at the Abbey at around 7:00pm
Killer Luke Mitchell was the last to turn up - around half an hour later
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David Tullock and the other lad met David High at the Abbey at around 7:00pm
Killer Luke Mitchell was the last to turn up - around half an hour later
Nice try but no cigar I’m afraid.
You are simply making things up.
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Nice try but no cigar I’m afraid.
You are simply making things up.
What time exactly did killer Luke Mitchell arrive at the Abbey?
I was indeed out by half an hour
From the timings - Shane Mitchell could have met with his brother on his way to Gary Coyle’s house
Killer Luke Mitchell was not seen by any witnesses between 6:15pm-6:20pm up to around 7:30pm when he met with the two David’s and the other lad at the Abbey
He was missing for around 45-50 minutes
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about the downpour of rain that night?
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What time exactly did killer Luke Mitchell arrive at the Abbey?
I was indeed out by half an hour
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about the downpour of rain that night?
You were indeed out by at least half an hour.
By accident or design?
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The witnesses names from those 👆🏽transcripts appear to be
David Stirling or David Suttie
Who was/is David S?
Alan Turnbull: We heard from a boy for instance called David S, you probably don’t know him?
Corinne Mitchell: David who sorry
Alan Turnbull: David S?
Corinne Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: You see, he told us that although he knew Luke just to nod to, he wasn’t a friend of Luke’s. And that he had come across Luke one day - probably about the beginning of June - up at the area of Roan’s Dyke path and that Luke was on his push bike. And Luke certainly had a push bike, didn’t he?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes, but until such time it became unusable
Did David S say what colour the killers bike was?
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
The author of the above has been deceptive
They state;
“There are eight witnesses mentioned in the transcripts on 13/01/05 but a borrowed jacket theory was also discussed”
The “borrowed jacket theory” was conjured up by fraudster Forbes?
[93] The evidence in relation to the parka, the knife and the discovery of the deceased could only be negated by an innocent explanation from the appellant. He had failed to offer such an explanation or it had been negated by other evidence.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
If killer Luke Mitchell had borrowed anyones jacket, on numerous occasions (as described in the snippets of those transcripts) he would have said so back in 2003 - he didn’t!
Plus Corinne Mitchell told James English her killer son “didn’t wear jackets” - even though he had a bunch of them hanging on the back of his bedroom door
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
The author also states;
“It is common belief that there was no evidence of Luke having owned a parka jacket before 30/06/2003”
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and
“This blog is not intended to support guilt or innocence”
Who are they kidding
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Charges Against Corrine Dropped
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/charges-against-corrine-dropped.html?m=1
“It has been said in various sources, that the jury were not informed of Corrine's charges being dropped. The decision is explained here by the Advocate Depute and the jury were not removed prior to this”
Was this written by a friend of Corinne Mitchell’s?
Why “Corrine’s” as opposed to Corinne Mitchell’s?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
The author states at the foot of the above;
“The processing of data may also come under section 1 of Data protection act 2018, no 10 - protecting the public against dishonesty”
Yet there are only 7 pieces of “data” - which appear to be 5-6 full pages - and there would have been many, many more pages of data related to Shane Mitchell and his evidence.
Who is being dishonest and how does publishing incomplete pages of data, with an obvious number of pages omitted, protect the public from dishonesty?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
The author also states;
“These sections relate to Shane explaining whether he had seen his brother in the house or not”
Were there more “sections” which related to “Shane explaining whether he had seen his brother in the house or not” ?
Didn’t Shane Mitchell go on to agree, that his killer brother Luke Mitchell was not in the house as opposed to “I don’t remember” ?
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Referring to his mother Corinne Mitchell, Shane Mitchell told the police:
“I can’t remember what she said, I normally switch-off, she talks…”
“…I normally switch off if she talks bad about a customer, ie if a customer doesn’t like dogs she doesn’t like them”
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Luke Mitchell trial transcripts - the Parka and the witnesses
New info
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html…
#lukemitchell
#justiceforjodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
2:41 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721175836118659390
Looks like it been deleted from twitter?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
These “sections” (in the above) appear to be Alan Turnbull going over Shane Mitchell’s statements he made to the police
Where are the “sections” in which Shane Mitchell’s evidence is put to the test, to see if it stands up or not?
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The author of the above has been deceptive
They state;
“There are eight witnesses mentioned in the transcripts on 13/01/05 but a borrowed jacket theory was also discussed”
The “borrowed jacket theory” was conjured up by fraudster Forbes?
[93] The evidence in relation to the parka, the knife and the discovery of the deceased could only be negated by an innocent explanation from the appellant. He had failed to offer such an explanation or it had been negated by other evidence.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
If killer Luke Mitchell had borrowed anyones jacket, on numerous occasions (as described in the snippets of those transcripts) he would have said so back in 2003 - he didn’t!
Plus Corinne Mitchell told James English her killer son “didn’t wear jackets” - even though he had a bunch of them hanging on the back of his bedroom door
catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
It's the kind of things kids do - swap jackets 🤷♀️ Did it myself and have watched my own kids do it 🤷♀️ So yes, if there was a parka prior to trial I believe the same - it was his mates hence the extra warrant and Craig Dobbie lying on Oath 🤷♀️
8:54 PM · Nov 5, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Yeah exactly and Corinne said she was glad he got the Parka, I think getting him to wear a jacket was hellish like most teens lol
9:15 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1721275180075425843
*&^^&
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Who was/is David S?
Alan Turnbull: We heard from a boy for instance called David S, you probably don’t know him?
Corinne Mitchell: David who sorry
Alan Turnbull: David S?
Corinne Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: You see, he told us that although he knew Luke just to nod to, he wasn’t a friend of Luke’s. And that he had come across Luke one day - probably about the beginning of June - up at the area of Roan’s Dyke path and that Luke was on his push bike. And Luke certainly had a push bike, didn’t he?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes, but until such time it became unusable
Did David S say what colour the killers bike was?
This 👆🏽sounds like David Stirling
“A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths.
They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis.
Another witness, John [Name removed], said that on two occasions when the appellant telephoned asking for quantities of cannabis, they arranged to meet at the opening in the wall at the junction of the paths.
On one of these occasions when they met the appellant said that he was waiting for Jodi.
For all these reasons there is no merit in this ground of appeal. (Bottom of para 162 https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7)
Scammer Sandra Lean hasn’t mentioned David Stirling
Sandra Lean
In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
If David Stirling was an acquaintance of John F erris, would he also have known of killer Luke Mitchell’s missing bike - not to be confused with the old one which was found in the Mitchell’s garage hanging up on a wall or something
Did Luke Mitchell supply David Stirling with cannabis?
What bike did David Stirling tell police killer Luke Mitchell was using, presumably to go out and sell cannabis, at the beginning of June?
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Who was/is David S?
Alan Turnbull: We heard from a boy for instance called David S, you probably don’t know him?
Corinne Mitchell: David who sorry
Alan Turnbull: David S?
Corinne Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: You see, he told us that although he knew Luke just to nod to, he wasn’t a friend of Luke’s. And that he had come across Luke one day - probably about the beginning of June - up at the area of Roan’s Dyke path and that Luke was on his push bike. And Luke certainly had a push bike, didn’t he?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes, but until such time it became unusable
Did David S say what colour the killers bike was?
Why did Corinne Mitchell need to tell the jury that killer Luke Mitchell’s bike had “become unusable”?
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Sandra Lean
In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
What did David Stirling say about killer Luke Mitchell’s push bike in his earliest statement Sandra?
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This 👆🏽sounds like David Stirling
“A witness David Stirling described an occasion in early June 2003 when he was with friends and they met the appellant at the junction of the paths.
They went down the inside of the wall (towards the "V") for some distance, then sat and smoked cannabis.
Who were the friends with David Stirling and what did they say about killer Luke Mitchell’s push bike and missing parka jacket?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
The author states at the foot of the above;
“The processing of data may also come under section 1 of Data protection act 2018, no 10 - protecting the public against dishonesty”
“Protecting the public against dishonesty” comes under “condition” number 11 not 10 - which is what the author has stated at the foot of each of their blogs
”The 28 conditions which are available for the processing of criminal offence data are set out in paragraphs 1 to 37 Schedule 1 of the DPA 2018:
10. Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
11. Protecting the public against dishonesty
12. Regulatory requirements relating to unlawful acts and dishonesty
14. Preventing fraud
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/lawful-basis/a-guide-to-lawful-basis/lawful-basis-for-processing/criminal-offence-data/
Preventing or detecting unlawful acts
10(1)This condition is met if the processing—
(a)is necessary for the purposes of the prevention or detection of an unlawful act,
(b)must be carried out without the consent of the data subject so as not to prejudice those purposes, and
(c)is necessary for reasons of substantial public interest.
(2)If the processing consists of the disclosure of personal data to a competent authority, or is carried out in preparation for such disclosure, the condition in sub-paragraph (1) is met even if, when the processing is carried out, the controller does not have an appropriate policy document in place (see paragraph 5 of this Schedule).
(3)In this paragraph—
“act” includes a failure to act;
“competent authority” has the same meaning as in Part 3 of this Act (see section 30).
Protecting the public against dishonesty etc
11(1)This condition is met if the processing—
(a)is necessary for the exercise of a protective function,
(b)must be carried out without the consent of the data subject so as not to prejudice the exercise of that function, and
(c)is necessary for reasons of substantial public interest.
(2)In this paragraph, “protective function” means a function which is intended to protect members of the public against—
(a)dishonesty, malpractice or other seriously improper conduct,
(b)unfitness or incompetence,
(c)mismanagement in the administration of a body or association, or
(d)failures in services provided by a body or association.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/12/schedule/1/enacted
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Killer Luke Mitchell’s DNA & The Constant Lies & Manipulation By Hoaxer Sandra Lean (Part 128)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-dna-the-constant-lies-manipulation-by-sandra-lean-part-128/
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The author states at the foot of the above;
“The processing of data may also come under section 1 of Data protection act 2018, no 10 - protecting the public against dishonesty”
“Protecting the public against dishonesty” comes under “condition” number 11 not 10 - which is what the author has stated at the foot of each of their blogs
The author of the blog might have been better off using “condition” no 4 - research
How can the author “protect the public against dishonesty” if they are being dishonest themselves?
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Someone asked TJ C “…are there transcripts for the whole trial anywhere”
TJ C
@TJC1419439
Unfortunately not, there were over 100 witnesses at the trial and I don't think anyone has managed to get all of the transcripts yet
9:00 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721271200536563893
In reality TJ C has no idea if anyone has “managed to get all of the transcripts”.
This information would not be shared with TJ C
And transcripts not being in the public domain does not mean someone hasn’t obtained copies of them
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
New blog - Shane's testimony regarding seeing Luke in the house
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html…
#Lukemitchelltrial
#Justicejodijones
#justiceforlukemitchell
12:31 AM · Nov 6, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721324406343889357
This 👆🏽is disinformation
This was a small part of “Shane Mitchell’s testimony regarding seeing Luke in the house”
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Unfortunately not, there were over 100 witnesses at the trial and I don't think anyone has managed to get all of the transcripts yet
9:00 PM · Nov 5, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1721271200536563893
“There were over 100 witnesses” scheduled to give evidence during the trial
And some of the witnesses evidence was read out during the trial, as opposed to them appearing in person, like for example the pathologist for the defence and Laura Wightman
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
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The author of the blog might have been better off using “condition” no 4 - research
How can the author “protect the public against dishonesty” if they are being dishonest themselves?
Well?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
Referring to his mother Corinne Mitchell, Shane Mitchell told the police:
“I can’t remember what she said, I normally switch-off, she talks…”
“…I normally switch off if she talks bad about a customer, ie if a customer doesn’t like dogs she doesn’t like them”
Was Shane suggesting his mother Corinne Mitchell was shallow?
What else did he say?
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Killin Time 16 - “Et tu, Brute?”
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https://youtu.be/3fZrEsvwl4I?feature=shared
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“When did Luke's mum hand in the missing knife?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/when-was-knife-from-pouch-handed-in-to.html
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“When did Luke's mum hand in the missing knife?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/when-was-knife-from-pouch-handed-in-to.html
One of killer Luke Mitchell’s “missing” knives was a Jack Pyke knife with a brown wooden handle
This was NOT the knife Corinne Mitchell gave to Nigel Beaumont
Corinne Mitchell gave Nigel Beaumont a black handled replacement skunting knife, which she had purchased in December 2003
What had the jury been told about the leather Jack Pyke knife pouch before Corinne Mitchell gave evidence?
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“When did Luke's mum hand in the missing knife?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/when-was-knife-from-pouch-handed-in-to.html
The author states,
“The search for the knife took place in April 2004”
In reality - the search for killer Luke Mitchell’s missing knives began in July 2003
The police first searched the Mitchell’s home, garage and gardens on the 4th July 2003 looking for knives they had been told about by witnesses
Killer Luke Mitchell: Pretend Criminologist & Malignant Narcissist ‘Cult-Like Group Leader’ Sandra Lean & The Harm Her Brainwashing Is Doing (Part 102)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/__trashed-6/
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
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Two months later it was announced Matt Elliott had cancelled his video
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Matt explain's why he was left with no choice on his group. I feel for him in this situation.
https://facebook.com/groups/justfourteen/?ref=share_group_link…
Luke deserves better!
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3:04 PM · Oct 14, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1713193942768869819
Matt Elliott’s Facebook group “Just Fourteen.…” is a private group with admins Sharon Indy Sunshine, Sheryl Ramsey, Donna Gee, Angie Timothy, Barbara Bacon, Angie Georgina Timothy & Matt Elliott
Matt Elliott and Donna provided fraudster Bob Ruff with their “research”
Donna Dee, one of the admins on Matt Elliott’s Fb group, looks like the spitting image of Ana Azaria
Under a 29th September 2023 Fb comment on Bob Ruff’s “truth and justice” group someone called Heather left a link regarding trial transcripts
Did Donna see this and finally contact the court?
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
Why are you choosing to hide the “things in the transcripts” you “weren’t told about”?
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More people are speaking out and it’s being claimed that Sandra Lean apparently wrote and published her second innocence fraud book without sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s knowledge
Is this true Sandra Lean?
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Did you see the “Bust Jodi Case Files” story today Sandra?
“Family’s Plea For Trial Transcripts”
“A family member of murder victim Jodi Jone has pleaded with the Crown Office to release transcripts of the 42 day trial to “shatter the lies, myths and speculation” being shared by campaigners“
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More people are speaking out and it’s being claimed that Sandra Lean apparently wrote and published her second innocence fraud book without sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s knowledge
Is this true Sandra Lean?
Bizarrely - it is also being claimed you have “manipulated” sadistic killer Luke Mitchell Sandra Lean
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
Who was Mr Beveridge Donna Dee and why did Shane Mitchell say he was on his way to his house at 6:04pm when Shane was still at home?
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
UPDATED TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Who did Shane Mitchell telephone at 6:04pm ?
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
UPDATED TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Shane Mitchell claimed to the police on 7th July 2003 that ‘he remembered his mothers car being in the driveway and her front door being open’
What was that all about Donna Dee?
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
UPDATED TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
Alan Turnbull: Now we looked, remember, yesterday at the call at 4 minutes past 6, that’s when you were on your way to Mr Berveridge’s house?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
*&^^&
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
Sandra this is Ana Azaria Aka Donna Dee asking you why you never mentioned, for example, Shane Mitchell referring to a Mr Beveridge
Have you told Freddie Gren Aka Gemma Chapman about the bare faced lies you’ve told over the years and why you chose to omit so many facts about the Mitchell’s from your innocence fraud narrative?
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One of killer Luke Mitchell’s “missing” knives was a Jack Pyke knife with a brown wooden handle
This was NOT the knife Corinne Mitchell gave to Nigel Beaumont
Corinne Mitchell gave Nigel Beaumont a black handled replacement skunting knife, which she had purchased in December 2003
What had the jury been told about the leather Jack Pyke knife pouch before Corinne Mitchell gave evidence?
There is no evidence that a knife was ever purchased in December 2003. In fact we know that misinformation about a receipt for that knife being shown in court has already been debunked.
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There is no evidence that a knife was ever purchased in December 2003. In fact we know that misinformation about a receipt for that knife being shown in court has already been debunked.
How can you possibly know whether or not killer Luke Mitchell was given a knife for a previous Christmas?
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How can you possibly know whether or not killer Luke Mitchell was given a knife for a previous Christmas?
That wasn’t my point. There was no receipt produced in court for a skunting knife bought in December 2002 as WTF claimed. In fact there is no evidence that such a skunting knife ever existed and unfortunately to prove something actually existed you do need proof. Silly I know.
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That wasn’t my point.
There is no evidence that a knife was ever purchased in December 2003.
Your point was a bare faced lie
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There was no receipt produced in court for a skunting knife bought in December 2002 as WTF claimed.
Did killer Luke Mitchell’s step-mother and/or father Philip Mitchell produce a receipt for the Marilyn Manson calendar they bought him for his birthday (found torn up in a bin)
Scammer Sandra Lean;
“Aside from a torn up calendar, that was the only item Luke owned related to Manson” page 230
Sandra Lean had previously claimed the Marilyn Manson calendar had been bought for the killer by his step-mother
How was this established?
By a receipt?
“Detectives searched his home on July 4, four days after Jodi's body was found, and took a number of items away for examination. It later emerged that more than 20 bottles of a liquid thought to be urine, a Marilyn Manson CD and DVD and a calendar featuring the goth rocker were among the items seized.[/color]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-334968/How-Jodis-killer-outwitted-police.html
Shane Mitchell told police his killer brother was obsessed with Marilyn Manson
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“It was also claimed that Corrine Mitchell had lied to give her son an alibi, as had his brother Shane. The prosecution did not back up these claims with evidence – rather, it opted for character assassination instead… http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
It reality the prosecution backed up their claims, which, if Sandra Lean had attended killer Luke Mitchell’s trial, she would have heard
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Where did Sandra Lean get 5:45pm from?
In reality - Shane Mitchell arrived home at around 4:45pm, after stopping off at a friends house after work, and he didn’t see killer Luke Mitchell when he arrived home.
Nor was killer Luke Mitchell in the house whilst Shane Mitchell used the Internet - which was between 4:53pm and 5:16pm
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Shane Mitchell appears to have told police he was heading to Mr Beveridge’s at this time (6:04pm), which can’t be correct if he was home between 4:50pm and “just after” 6:20pm
Who was/is “Mr Beveridge” ?
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“Shane did not claim that Luke "had not been at home between 5pm and 5.45pm." He said that he did not know if Luke had been at home, and that he had thought he (Shane) was alone "in the house," a subtle, but very important difference.
*&^^&
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And accordingly, when you went down after terminating the Internet session, did you see him in the kitchen?
Shane Mitchell: I don’t believe so
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Where did Sandra Lean get 5:45pm from?
In reality - Shane Mitchell arrived home at around 4:45pm, after stopping off at a friends house after work, and he didn’t see killer Luke Mitchell when he arrived home.
Nor was killer Luke Mitchell in the house whilst Shane Mitchell used the Internet - which was between 4:53pm and 5:16pm
Did Shane Mitchell say he saw his killer brother Luke Mitchell at 5:45pm?
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In that case, would he not have seen his brother waiting at the end of the road as he drove past?
Not at 6:04pm!
Shane Mitchell claimed he didn’t leave his home at Newbattle Abbey crescent until “just after” he had telephoned Gary Coyle - which he did at 6:20pm
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm: Shane Mitchell logged off of Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) were shown to the jury
There were no calls made from the landline from the Mitchell house between 4:01pm up to 9:57pm
None!
The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
Ruby Guetta, Corinne Mitchell’s adoptive mother;
“But police have never taken a statement from me. I spoke to him at 4.25pm that day. Luke was his normal self when he phoned. He was asking what he should take out of the freezer for dinner”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+granny+bids+to+sell+his+story+for+pounds+10%2C000%3B+EXCLUSIVE...-a0171737342
Why would the police have needed to take any statement from Ruby Guetta if they knew there wasn’t a 4:25pm telephone call?
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Ruby Guetta, Corinne Mitchell’s adoptive mother;
“But police have never taken a statement from me. I spoke to him at 4.25pm that day. Luke was his normal self when he phoned. He was asking what he should take out of the freezer for dinner”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Killer%27s+granny+bids+to+sell+his+story+for+pounds+10%2C000%3B+EXCLUSIVE...-a0171737342
Why would the police have needed to take any statement from Ruby Guetta if they knew there wasn’t a 4:25pm telephone call?
Was it ascertained that LM never phoned and spoke to his gran Ruby Guetta at Scott's Caravans at 1625 from the Mitchell family landline? Do you have a cite or a link?
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”Did Shane or Corrine see Luke at tea time?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html
“The crucial significance of court transcripts being publicly available, is confirmation of verbatim trial evidence, as opposed to reliance on published, summary accounts, often from sources which carry an agenda. Especially regarding this trial, accuracy in relation to testimonies is imperative. It is essential to understand the original perspective and context.”
The author of this blog is both manipulative and deceptive
Like scammer Sandra Lean the author has intentionally left out a large volume of Shane Mitchell’s testimony, along with a day or twos worth of Corinne Mitchell’s testimony oe; trial transcripts relating to her
The author also carries an agenda and their words betray them
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”Did Shane or Corrine see Luke at tea time?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html
The author states;
“These sections relate to Shane explaining whether he had seen his brother in the house or not, after arriving home at 4.55 pm”
Shane Mitchell had logged on to the Internet by 4:53pm therefore he was home earlier than 4:55pm
*&^^&
Might be helpful to look at the trial transcripts of DI William Craven
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”Did Shane or Corrine see Luke at tea time?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html
“The crucial significance of court transcripts being publicly available, is confirmation of verbatim trial evidence, as opposed to reliance on published, summary accounts, often from sources which carry an agenda. Especially regarding this trial, accuracy in relation to testimonies is imperative. It is essential to understand the original perspective and context.”
The author of this blog is both manipulative and deceptive
Like scammer Sandra Lean the author has intentionally left out a large volume of Shane Mitchell’s testimony, along with a day or twos worth of Corinne Mitchell’s testimony oe; trial transcripts relating to her
The author also carries an agenda and their words betray them
Good to see however the author has edited the footer of each of their blogs
“Court transcripts are considered public information under Section 94(2) of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) act 1995
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Why, in June 2023, did scammer Sandra Lean choose to help enable sadistic killer Luke Mitchell sabotage his move back to closed prison conditions?
What did Corinne Mitchell say about this?
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”Did Shane or Corrine see Luke at tea time?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html
“The crucial significance of court transcripts being publicly available, is confirmation of verbatim trial evidence, as opposed to reliance on published, summary accounts, often from sources which carry an agenda. Especially regarding this trial, accuracy in relation to testimonies is imperative. It is essential to understand the original perspective and context.”
Excerpts from Corinne Mitchell’s police witness statement dated 6th July 2003;
“When I got in, Luke was in the kitchen”
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Why, in June 2023, did scammer Sandra Lean choose to help enable sadistic killer Luke Mitchell sabotage his move back to closed prison conditions?
Did the prison service and MAPPA send sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell back to closed prison conditions because they recognised he was manipulating women like Gemma Chapman and Sharon Indy Sunshine?
Were these the risk factors that escalated?
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Was it ascertained that LM never phoned and spoke to his gran Ruby Guetta at Scott's Caravans at 1625 from the Mitchell family landline? Do you have a cite or a link?
Production no.202 - which was of the Mitchell family landline telephone call log evidenced that no calls were made from the landline between 4:01pm to 9:57pm
Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) were shown to the jury
This (production no.202) was evidence the jury were shown on a screen - on more than one occasion
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Why, in June 2023, did scammer Sandra Lean choose to help enable sadistic killer Luke Mitchell sabotage his move back to closed prison conditions?
What did Corinne Mitchell say about this?
SL probably encouraged him for her own publicity. Her house of cards is slowly falling with the transcript lies and her 60th party/murderer fundraiser in Dalkeith idea. Her eye rolling and arm waving have become even more erratic as she realises the tide isn't turning and she's been hoisted by her own petard. Ooof.
Slowly the slightly more curious among the pro-LM campaign will realise they've been lied to for Lean's benefit only.
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SL probably encouraged him for her own publicity.
These two narcissists (Sandra Lean and killer Luke Mitchell) have a twisted symbiotic relationship, which Corinne Mitchell will be well aware of
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Her house of cards is slowly falling
What appears clear is that sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour is being monitored, especially in relation to the “vulnerable” women he is choosing to target - with the help of his enabler Sandra Lean
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Slowly the slightly more curious among the pro-LM campaign will realise they've been lied to for Lean's benefit only.
This scam has benefitted killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corrinne Mitchell as well as Sandra Lean & others
Some of them may eventually realise that “the samples” nonsense is just that - nonsense
Maybe members of the public will go on to obtain the trial transcripts relating to forensics, so they can see for themselves what they haven’t been told
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“When did Luke's mum hand in the missing knife?”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/when-was-knife-from-pouch-handed-in-to.html
Here’s what liar and con artist Scott C Forbes said about the knife https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=957&v=k56t9NSL10M&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“A great deal was made of the "fact" that a parka jacket that Luke had been wearing that night had disappeared, "burned," the prosecution claimed, in a log burner in the back garden by Luke‟s mother Corrine
“The ludicrous (and completely unsubstantiated) claim by the prosecution was that Corinne Mitchell had burned the parka jacket her son had been wearing that night, then gone out and bought him an identical one to cover up for the "missing" one. ”
*&^^&
When during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial did the prosecution claim this Sandra?
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The Parka Jacket and Witnesses
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html?m=1
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“The necessary proof that Luke owned a parka jacket prior to Jodi‟s death was never produced”[/i]
As well as the witnesses who gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial,about the missing parka jackets, how many other witnesses made statements Sandra?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Where did Sandra Lean get 5:45pm from?
Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“For Corinne Mitchell to have received the clothes to be burned in the back garden, it has to be accepted that Luke must have returned home prior to his appearance on the wall at the end of the road at 5.45pm”
Shane Mitchell would have had time for fires in the back garden Sandra Lean
Shane didn’t leave the house until “just after” 6:20pm - which was the time he phoned Gary Coyle
“There is not, and has never been, any suggestion that Corinne Mitchell collected clothing from anywhere else that evening
What about Shane Mitchell?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“A great deal was made of the "fact" that a parka jacket that Luke had been wearing that night had disappeared, "burned," the prosecution claimed, in a log burner in the back garden by Luke‟s mother Corrine
“The ludicrous (and completely unsubstantiated) claim by the prosecution was that Corinne Mitchell had burned the parka jacket her son had been wearing that night, then gone out and bought him an identical one to cover up for the "missing" one. ”
*&^^&
When during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial did the prosecution claim this Sandra?
Sandra Lean - Was the “nutty” theory John Smythe referred to started by you, killer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne Mitchell?
John Smythe
If the unnamed relative wants to talk about crazy conspiracy theories then there can none more nutty than the one that involves Luke Mitchell and his mum.
https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/2023/11/09/luke-mitchell-case-bust-jodi-case-lies-daily-record-article-08-november-2023/
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John Smythe
If the unnamed relative wants to talk about crazy conspiracy theories then there can none more nutty than the one that involves Luke Mitchell and his mum.
https://johnsmytheinvestigations.wordpress.com/2023/11/09/luke-mitchell-case-bust-jodi-case-lies-daily-record-article-08-november-2023/
Does John Smythe even know the origin of this myth?
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John Smythe:
“It is the unnamed relative again. Strange that the family, according to this person, are only demanding that the trial transcripts should be released now. They believe, according to this person, that certain facts are being withheld or misinterpreted. Which would be what exactly? I do agree with this unnamed relative in that the transcripts should be made available. Get everything out in the open. That should be welcomed by all irrespective of what their views may be on the case.
Maybe in the next article the relative can be referred to as John Smythe 🙄
John Smytheclearly has no real understanding of all the details of this case or of the difficulty faced reporting on the trial - which the killer, his mother and scammer Sandra Lean have taken advantage of for over two decades!
There are numerous facts being withheld John Smythe!
Including Shane Mitchell and Mr Beveridge - you clearly have no idea what you are writing about!
Btw John Smythe - Why didn’t you call out charlatan Sandra Lean’s bare faced lies about obtaining the trial transcripts and what’s “strange” about a relative asking that the trial transcripts be published in full?
It’s high time ALL of the facts of this case are made public - not the false narrative and snippets scammer Sandra Lean has drip fed the unsuspecting public!
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Does John Smythe even know the origin of this myth?
Is this John Smythe also that PaulPeter? https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100084122046673 or is he linked to that fraudster Scott C Forbes?
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John Smythe:
“That is because the generic statements put out by the Police and Crown do not answer any questions. Instead they just tell people that everything is fine. We've investigated this thoroughly and are satisfied we have our man. How dare you question us on this etc etc. That might satisfy a Daily Retard reader (is there actually any of them left these days?) but it does nothing to satisfy those with working brain cells who with even the most perfunctory of research should be able to see that this case absolutely stinks. It is also a bit insensitive to talk about frenzy when Jodi was the victim of a frenzied and brutal attack.
So John Smythe with your “working brain cells” what’s the story about Shane Mitchell and Mr Beveridge?
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John Smythe:
“Untruths/lies are very easy to take apart. Once again, much like the previous article though the unnamed relative never bothers to list a single one of these untruths or lies.
Like scammer Sandra Lean’s numerous bare faced lies, including one of her recent ones, where she claimed to that fraudster Bob Ruff that the public cannot obtain the trial transcripts 🙄
The relative will no doubt know the facts of the case - that you and everyone else who has been duped by this scam aren’t yet aware of!
The daily record article was clear - releasing the trial transcripts will silence killer Luke Mitchell - and (my addition) it will also silence his toxic enablers!
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John Smythe:
“Just bear in mind it will come low down in police priorities as they are too busy these days investigating women who put up stickers & ribbons or make possible hurty comments online.
Vandalism is a criminal offence and posting photos of yourself committing the offence isn’t wise !
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Did killer Luke Mitchell’s step-mother and/or father Philip Mitchell produce a receipt for the Marilyn Manson calendar they bought him for his birthday (found torn up in a bin)
Scammer Sandra Lean;
“Aside from a torn up calendar, that was the only item Luke owned related to Manson” page 230
Sandra Lean had previously claimed the Marilyn Manson calendar had been bought for the killer by his step-mother
How was this established?
By a receipt?
“Detectives searched his home on July 4, four days after Jodi's body was found, and took a number of items away for examination. It later emerged that more than 20 bottles of a liquid thought to be urine, a Marilyn Manson CD and DVD and a calendar featuring the goth rocker were among the items seized.[/color]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-334968/How-Jodis-killer-outwitted-police.html
Shane Mitchell told police his killer brother was obsessed with Marilyn Manson
They didn’t have to provide a receipt as they had the calendar. There was proof that it existed. There is not one scintilla of proof that a black handled skunting knife bought in December 2002 ever did.
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John Smythe:
“Untruths/lies are very easy to take apart. Once again, much like the previous article though the unnamed relative never bothers to list a single one of these untruths or lies.
Like scammer Sandra Lean’s numerous bare faced lies, including one of her recent ones, where she claimed to that fraudster Bob Ruff that the public cannot obtain the trial transcripts 🙄
The relative will no doubt know the facts of the case - that you and everyone else who has been duped by this scam aren’t yet aware of!
The daily record article was clear - releasing the trial transcripts will silence killer Luke Mitchell - and (my addition) it will also silence his toxic enablers!
Why don’t you crowdfund to buy the transcripts?
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They didn’t have to provide a receipt as they had the calendar. There was proof that it existed.
Can you answer the question or not?
Was a receipt produced by killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother of father for the Marilyn Manson calendar?
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There is not one scintilla of proof that a black handled skunting knife bought in December 2002 ever did.
The black handled skunting knife was purchased in December 2003 not 2002!
What year was killer Luke Mitchell’s brown wooden handled stunting knife purchased?
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Lean's time is up - she has been exposed as a liar by her own group. There is no burden of proof on anyone here to provide evidence otherwise on any court decisions. The transcripts will only prove that Lean has lied over and over and LM was and is still guilty.
Roll up for those Bingo tickets though.
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Can you answer the question or not?
Was a receipt produced by killer Luke Mitchell’s step mother of father for the Marilyn Manson calendar?
Please explain why they would need to produce a receipt when the physical item was in the police’s possession?
Are you trying to suggest that Luke bought the calendar as he was such an enormous MM fan and then tore it up? Does that make sense to you?
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The black handled skunting knife was purchased in December 2003 not 2002!
What year was killer Luke Mitchell’s brown wooden handled stunting knife purchased?
Apologies of course you are correct. There is a receipt for the black handled knife. Unfortunately there is absolutely no evidence that the brown handled on ever existed.
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Lean's time is up - she has been exposed as a liar by her own group. There is no burden of proof on anyone here to provide evidence otherwise on any court decisions. The transcripts will only prove that Lean has lied over and over and LM was and is still guilty.
Roll up for those Bingo tickets though.
I take it that you’ll be adding a few pounds to the Crowdfunding page Nicholas will inevitably set up to obtain the trial transcripts?
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I take it that you’ll be adding a few pounds to the Crowdfunding page Nicholas will inevitably set up to obtain the trial transcripts?
No need, they will be coming out regardless. I don't need the transcripts to convince me but some of Luke's Army might be interested they've been lied to.
Will you be sending the money you usually spend on Christmas cards to the Free Luke campaign as suggested by mad Heather from the '[Name removed]LM Who got Justice' group?
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Are you trying to suggest that Luke bought the calendar as he was such an enormous MM fan and then tore it up? Does that make sense to you?
Sadistic murder Luke Mitchell was an enormous Marilyn Manson fan, his brother Shane Mitchell told the police this as did the killer himself
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No need, they will be coming out regardless
They will indeed
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No need, they will be coming out regardless. I don't need the transcripts to convince me but some of Luke's Army might be interested they've been lied to.
Will you be sending the money you usually spend on Christmas cards to the Free Luke campaign as suggested by mad Heather from the '[Name removed]LM Who got Justice' group?
I don’t buy Christmas cards. I give the money to Depher instead. A wonderful charity that you might consider giving money to too?
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Sadistic murder Luke Mitchell was an enormous Marilyn Manson fan, his brother Shane Mitchell told the police this as did the killer himself
Again you are simply making things up.
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Does anyone know what was going on with that Stetson Hunter?
He tweeted and tagged in Sharon Indy Sunshine and some group
Then scammer Sandra Lean tweeted to him
Stinson Hunter
@StinsonHunter
Regarding #LukeMitchell - anyone I’m following (and who follows me) get in touch re: possible events etc or how I can get involved, boots on the ground, not just social media button pushing.
I have many resources at my disposal that on my own are useless but for the right thing they can be pulled in and used for some good.
I don’t need to discuss ins and outs of the case, I know more than enough, I just want those who are serious to get in touch, hit me with a plan and let’s take it from there.
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
@W_S_T_F_L_M
Please share and if I’m not following accounts linked to this cause then let me know and I’ll follow do you can DM.
I’ll pick things up in the morning.
God bless.
8:08 PM · Sep 7, 2023
We Stand Together For Luke Mitchell
@W_S_T_F_L_M
Thank you Stinson we will be in touch
8:10 PM · Sep 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/W_S_T_F_L_M/status/1699862746681012545
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Hi, Stinson - I've been working on this case for 20 years - would be great to discuss this with you. Can you drop me a message, please? Thanks, Sandra
7:31 AM · Sep 8, 2023
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They will indeed
Excellent.
You do realise don’t you that what is said in court, even under oath, isn’t always the truth?
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And why did scammer Sandra Lean turn down an offer of funding ?
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Just to confirm, I'm aware of an apparent offer of funding regarding testing of samples in the Luke Mitchell case. I chose not to respond - I have my reasons. I'll be making no further comment for now. Thanks for understanding.
7:09 PM · Sep 8, 2023
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I don’t buy Christmas cards. I give the money to Depher instead. A wonderful charity that you might consider giving money to too?
Great stuff. I work for a registered charity so have that covered. Maybe you could send extra blankets to LM, C/o HMP Greenock along with a cheery note to keep his head up (for the next 20 years).
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Great stuff. I work for a registered charity so have that covered. Maybe you could send extra blankets to LM, C/o HMP Greenock along with a cheery note to keep his head up (for the next 20 years).
Then we have something in common.
As to the blankets, I believe they already give them blankets in prison. Something to do with human rights or some such nonsense.
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
What from the above parts of the trial transcripts related to Shane Mitchell’s evidence is missing?
“LUKE Mitchell's brother recoiled in horror yesterday as he was shown gruesome pictures of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body.
Shane Mitchell, 23, was confronted with the shocking images in court.
He turned away after being shown the first photo and immediately asked for a break.
Shane sat in the witness box sipping a glass of water and wiping tears from his eyes before he had to look at another four photos.
He then admitted that, when he returned home on the day that Jodi died, he watched porn on his computer because he thought he was alone in the house.
Luke Mitchell, now 16, denies murdering Jodi, and maintains he was in the house when she died.
Shane told the High Court in Edinburgh that, on June 30, 2003, he arrived home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 4.50pm.
He said he went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, told Shane he had no desire to humiliate or embarrass him but he wanted to know if he did anything else at that time.
When Shane said he wasn't, Mr Turnbull asked him to look at photos of Jodi's body where it was found near the town's wooded Roan's Dyke path.
As he glanced at the first photo, Mr Turnbull stated: 'I am not surprised to see your reaction. You looked a bit horrified and looked away, didn't you?
Shane replied: 'Yes.' Mr Turnbull added: 'These are not pleasant.The reason I asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what we are dealing with. Do you understand now?
'Do you appreciate I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this?'
Again, Shane replied: 'Yes.' The witness then admitted he had been engaged in a sex act while watching porn.
He agreed with the prosecutor that he wouldn't have done that if he thought anyone else had been home.
Mr Turnbull asked him: 'On that evening,about4.55pm,who did you think was in the house?'
Shane told him: 'No one at that time.' The advocate depute then asked: 'Did you see Luke when you went down after the internet session?'
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Mr Turnbull read out a police statement from Luke Mitchell in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.
His mother was present at the interview and, when police asked if he had eaten with Shane, his brother had asked her: 'Shane wasn't there, was he?'
His mum had intervened: 'No.' Luke had then added: 'Shane was not in when I left.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509
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“The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Shane Mitchell was still on the Internet at 5:15pm
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16om Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
When Shane Mitchell claimed Corinne Mitchell “arrived home at about 5:15pm” - was this one of the lies Shane first told the police back in July 2003?
And did the court reporter omit to mention in their article that Alan Turnbull was referring to what Shane Mitchell had stated in one of his police statements?
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
Where in the trial transcripts did Shane Mitchell say he “went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet”?
Shane Mitchell’s police statement stated;
I went back upstairs
I switched the computer on
I was about to log on to the internet and I got shouted down for dinner by Luke
I’d only been upstairs for 5 minutes and I didn’t get onto the internet
This is similar to the fabricated story Shaun Hall told the police about his trip up to Lincolnshire on the 16th December 2001 - that didn’t happen either
Extracts From The Trial Transcripts
Alan Turnbull: Okay. It has always, since that day, been true that you started off by watching pornographic sites?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
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Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
When did Shane Mitchell say the above in the court?
Shane Mitchell:
I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother
He may have been there but I don’t remember whether I saw him or not
So the reporter used the word “could” instead of “may” - meaning this wasn’t a verbatim quote
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Shane Mitchell:
I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother
He may have been there but I don’t remember whether I saw him or not
So the reporter used the word “could” instead of “may” - meaning this wasn’t a verbatim quote
Didn’t Shane Mitchell say he had a problem with his memory due to previous drug addiction ?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Brother Shane Mitchell Damaged By Drug Abuse (Part 193)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/29/killer-luke-mitchell-brother-shane-mitchell-damaged-by-drug-abuse-part-193/
The Scotsman reported;
“Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied:
“She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again.’"
*&^^&
Shane Mitchell did not leave the house until “just after” 6:20pm
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When did Shane Mitchell say the above in the court?
Shane Mitchell:
I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother
He may have been there but I don’t remember whether I saw him or not
So the reporter used the word “could” instead of “may” - meaning this wasn’t a verbatim quote
It's fairly obvious he never saw his brother (and vice versa) or the two charlatans would have had him on their podcasts by now to support their scam.
Oh aye, he just wants a quiet life so won't speak up. I've heard it from numerous sources he wants nothing to do with LM or CM.
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It's fairly obvious he never saw his brother (and vice versa) or the two charlatans would have had him on their podcasts by now to support their scam.
Oh aye, he just wants a quiet life so won't speak up. I've heard it from numerous sources he wants nothing to do with LM or CM.
It has been confirmed (via offline sources) that Shane and Philip Mitchell have nothing to do with killer Luke Mitchell or Corinne Mitchell
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The Scotsman reported;
“Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied:
“She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again.’"
Note how the above does not appear in the transcripts which have been published
Did Shane say that he saw Luke?
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/did-shane-say-that-he-saw-luke.html?m=1
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It has been confirmed (via offline sources) that Shane and Philip Mitchell have nothing to do with killer Luke Mitchell or Corinne Mitchell
I can confirm that having heard it directly in his company.
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Didn’t Shane Mitchell say he had a problem with his memory due to previous drug addiction ?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Brother Shane Mitchell Damaged By Drug Abuse (Part 193)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/29/killer-luke-mitchell-brother-shane-mitchell-damaged-by-drug-abuse-part-193/
Guilty verdict, the AD and his "attempts" at putting forth that evidence, perfectly executed, = Accepted.
This nothing from nothing that the defence failed to produce enough doubt around nothing - Marvellous stuff, is it not?
SM, what do we do with the male that everyone has to speak for, not from him but for him -
You have no idea what SM has felt throughout those years, has he given you a statement to put out on his behalf? - No.
However, when we can only go with what we know, and not just the cherry picked attempts at anything here -
20yrs old when the murder took place, the claim of having early onset dementia due to severe drug abuse "years ago"
Yes we know it is claims, but let us focus on those claims here.
What was this "years ago?"
How many to be precise, that had his younger brother, that "child" at 14yrs old heavily abusing cannabis, dishing it out like sweeties, drinking, smoking with no parental control.
Sought no help, zero deterrent in place, offered and refused help.
After seeing the elder at an equally young age becoming damaged by drug abuse?
Spare us the bog standard infantile tit for tat nonsense.
The discussion is around reform, steps taking to help, for prevention.
Had parental steps been taken, one, there would have been no early onset dementia to use, and secondly, a young girl may have survived, that is reality here, around reform starting at home with children.
Those under a certain age and not adults.
SM was treated surprisingly gentle, he was given false alibi in a murder investigation.
At best a killer may have escaped justice, at worse, further lives may have been lost -
SM may very well be counting his blessings and many more besides, that by taken the correct course of action, he may feel he has equalled out his wrong, thankful even, that whilst impeding that investigation, no further loss of life had happened in that time period -
But guess what?
Should LM have killed again prior to any arrest, would the police be blamed here for the brother and mother impeding and holding any arrest up? Just a thought.
Reality is, that not you nor any other, knows that LM did not murder that young girl, we can all discuss until the cows come home, put forth what we feel may or not have been wrong -
You and every other, has failed to even scratch the surface of proving that he could not have killed that young girl - Fact.
Spare us the interviews nonsense - Not you nor the egos have listened to those audio/video recorded interviews, nor held the full court transcripts, and for what one may have there is certainly no honesty around them, is there now?
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Productions of the Mitchell’s landline calls (production #202) and Shane Mitchell’s mobile calls (production #246) were shown to the jury
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16om Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
Alan Turnbull: Now later on that evening did you go out?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember where you went?
Shane Mitchell: Gary Coyle’s house
Alan Turnbull: And is he a friend?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Okay. If you look with me again please at the document which records the list of your telephone calls, you might be able to work out when you left. The production is 246. Sorry, could we see it on the screen please.
Now we looked, remember, yesterday at the call of 4 minutes past 6, that’s when you were on your way to Mr Beverage’s house?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: The next call from your mobile is at 20 past 6, d’you see that?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And do you recognise that number that’s been called?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Whose is that?
Shane Mitchell: Thats’s Gary Coyle’s number
Alan Turnbull: Okay. Now just to cross reference this, look at production number 202. It’s probably easier if I show you the page. Now if we just put the calls from your landline on the phone. Thank you. This is a record of the telephone calls from your house telephone that evening
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: And you’ll see that there are no calls made from the house after 16:01 until 21:57, when there is a call to a Bathgate number?
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: So that we can see that you appear to have called Gary Coyle from your mobile but not from the landline?
Shane Mitchell: Correct
Alan Turnbull: Does that give you an assistance as to remembering what time you left to go out and see Gary Coyle?
Shane Mitchell: I left to see Gary just after I phoned him
Alan Turnbull: Just after you phoned him?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: So that would be just after 20 past 6
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And had you been home then accordingly between 5 to 5 and let’s say 20 past 6?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Alright. And after spending some time with Mr Coyle did you return home again that evening?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Do you know approximately what time?
Shaine Mitchell: As soon as I got in the house I (incomprehensible) phone, so round about
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It's fairly obvious he never saw his brother (and vice versa) or the two charlatans would have had him on their podcasts by now to support their scam.
Oh aye, he just wants a quiet life so won't speak up. I've heard it from numerous sources he wants nothing to do with LM or CM.
I doubt scammer Sandra Lean has seen the trial transcripts relating to Shane Mitchell
What reason would killer Luke Mitchell and/or Sandra Lean have had to have them transcribed?
They’ve both always known Shane Mitchell lied and there would have been no points to appeal on
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
Because scammer Sandra Lean did not want you all to work out the fact she’s been deceiving you
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I take it that you’ll be adding a few pounds to the Crowdfunding page Nicholas will inevitably set up to obtain the trial transcripts?
Now that Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony has been transcribed - the public should be able to get copies of those transcripts at a far lower cost
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
So, re. the Jones family requesting the transcripts, they could buy them like any other family who request transcripts.
They are there anyone can request them, I don't understand why I was told differently. I support Luke based on DNA, so release the samples. End the doubt NOW!
11:07 PM · Nov 9, 2023
Is Sharon Indy Sunshine a sadist?
In reality - a judge can order the trial transcripts be transcribed and published at the expense of the public purse on behalf of the murderers victims ie; the Jones family
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
Scammer Sandra Lean was not and is not the “expert” she pretended to you all she was via James English in 2019
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
That is the big question!! It was certainly a lie on Bob Ruffs podcast, she did not need to insert herself into the transcripts topic without the knowledge to back it up as It now looks very bad. Some will say lie about one thing.... Lie about......... I expected better.
9:27 PM · Nov 8, 2023
There were numerous bare faced lies told on fraudster Bob Ruff’s podcast!
Including the fact that Jodi Jones did not walk Roans Dyke path alone that evening - she was with the almost 15 year old Luke Mitchell who Jodi believed was her boyfriend - ergo she did not believe she was at risk
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
That is the big question!! It was certainly a lie on Bob Ruffs podcast, she did not need to insert herself into the transcripts topic without the knowledge to back it up as It now looks very bad. Some will say lie about one thing.... Lie about......... I expected better.
9:27 PM · Nov 8, 2023
Neither did you Sharon!
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Why were we told we couldn't get the transcripts when we can, and why are there things in the transcripts we weren't told about? …http://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com
11:36 PM · Nov 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1722035236945457554
How do the “things” you “weren’t told about” fit into the actual facts of the case?
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Alan Turnbull: Now later on that evening did you go out?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember where you went?
Shane Mitchell: Gary Coyle’s house
Alan Turnbull: And is he a friend?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Okay. If you look with me again please at the document which records the list of your telephone calls, you might be able to work out when you left. The production is 246. Sorry, could we see it on the screen please.
Now we looked, remember, yesterday at the call of 4 minutes past 6, that’s when you were on your way to Mr Beverage’s house?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: The next call from your mobile is at 20 past 6, d’you see that?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And do you recognise that number that’s been called?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Whose is that?
Shane Mitchell: Thats’s Gary Coyle’s number
Alan Turnbull: Okay. Now just to cross reference this, look at production number 202. It’s probably easier if I show you the page. Now if we just put the calls from your landline on the phone. Thank you. This is a record of the telephone calls from your house telephone that evening
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: And you’ll see that there are no calls made from the house after 16:01 until 21:57, when there is a call to a Bathgate number?
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: So that we can see that you appear to have called Gary Coyle from your mobile but not from the landline?
Shane Mitchell: Correct
Alan Turnbull: Does that give you an assistance as to remembering what time you left to go out and see Gary Coyle?
Shane Mitchell: I left to see Gary just after I phoned him
Alan Turnbull: Just after you phoned him?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: So that would be just after 20 past 6
Shane Mitchell: Uh-huh
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And had you been home then accordingly between 5 to 5 and let’s say 20 past 6?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Alright. And after spending some time with Mr Coyle did you return home again that evening?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Do you know approximately what time?
Shaine Mitchell: As soon as I got in the house I (incomprehensible) phone, so round about
Alan Turnbull appears to have made the jury aware of the fact Shane Mitchell had fabricated a story when he gave his 7th July 2003 police witness statement
Alan Turnbull also appears to have made the jury aware of the fact Shane Mitchell had continued to lie about the events surrounding the 30th June 2003
Shane Mitchell could not have been in two places at one time
Alan Turnbull: Now we looked, remember, yesterday at the call of 4 minutes past 6, that’s when you were on your way to Mr Beverage’s
Shane Mitchell could not have been on his way to Mr Beveridge’s at 6:04pm if Shane did not leave his house until “just after” 6:20pm
This appear to be what Alan Turnbull was demonstrating to the jury - that Shane Mitchell continued to lie
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What from the above parts of the trial transcripts related to Shane Mitchell’s evidence is missing?
“LUKE Mitchell's brother recoiled in horror yesterday as he was shown gruesome pictures of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body.
Shane Mitchell, 23, was confronted with the shocking images in court.
He turned away after being shown the first photo and immediately asked for a break.
Shane sat in the witness box sipping a glass of water and wiping tears from his eyes before he had to look at another four photos.
He then admitted that, when he returned home on the day that Jodi died, he watched porn on his computer because he thought he was alone in the house.
Luke Mitchell, now 16, denies murdering Jodi, and maintains he was in the house when she died.
Shane told the High Court in Edinburgh that, on June 30, 2003, he arrived home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 4.50pm.
He said he went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, told Shane he had no desire to humiliate or embarrass him but he wanted to know if he did anything else at that time.
When Shane said he wasn't, Mr Turnbull asked him to look at photos of Jodi's body where it was found near the town's wooded Roan's Dyke path.
As he glanced at the first photo, Mr Turnbull stated: 'I am not surprised to see your reaction. You looked a bit horrified and looked away, didn't you?
Shane replied: 'Yes.' Mr Turnbull added: 'These are not pleasant.The reason I asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what we are dealing with. Do you understand now?
'Do you appreciate I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this?'
Again, Shane replied: 'Yes.' The witness then admitted he had been engaged in a sex act while watching porn.
He agreed with the prosecutor that he wouldn't have done that if he thought anyone else had been home.
Mr Turnbull asked him: 'On that evening,about4.55pm,who did you think was in the house?'
Shane told him: 'No one at that time.' The advocate depute then asked: 'Did you see Luke when you went down after the internet session?'
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Mr Turnbull read out a police statement from Luke Mitchell in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.
His mother was present at the interview and, when police asked if he had eaten with Shane, his brother had asked her: 'Shane wasn't there, was he?'
His mum had intervened: 'No.' Luke had then added: 'Shane was not in when I left.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509
Were Shane Mitchell’s tears for himself because he had been caught out lying over and over again ?
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What from the above parts of the trial transcripts related to Shane Mitchell’s evidence is missing?
“LUKE Mitchell's brother recoiled in horror yesterday as he was shown gruesome pictures of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body.
Shane Mitchell, 23, was confronted with the shocking images in court.
He turned away after being shown the first photo and immediately asked for a break.
Shane sat in the witness box sipping a glass of water and wiping tears from his eyes before he had to look at another four photos.
He then admitted that, when he returned home on the day that Jodi died, he watched porn on his computer because he thought he was alone in the house.
Luke Mitchell, now 16, denies murdering Jodi, and maintains he was in the house when she died.
Shane told the High Court in Edinburgh that, on June 30, 2003, he arrived home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 4.50pm.
He said he went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, told Shane he had no desire to humiliate or embarrass him but he wanted to know if he did anything else at that time.
When Shane said he wasn't, Mr Turnbull asked him to look at photos of Jodi's body where it was found near the town's wooded Roan's Dyke path.
As he glanced at the first photo, Mr Turnbull stated: 'I am not surprised to see your reaction. You looked a bit horrified and looked away, didn't you?
Shane replied: 'Yes.' Mr Turnbull added: 'These are not pleasant.The reason I asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what we are dealing with. Do you understand now?
'Do you appreciate I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this?'
Again, Shane replied: 'Yes.' The witness then admitted he had been engaged in a sex act while watching porn.
He agreed with the prosecutor that he wouldn't have done that if he thought anyone else had been home.
Mr Turnbull asked him: 'On that evening,about4.55pm,who did you think was in the house?'
Shane told him: 'No one at that time.' The advocate depute then asked: 'Did you see Luke when you went down after the internet session?'
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Mr Turnbull read out a police statement from Luke Mitchell in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.
His mother was present at the interview and, when police asked if he had eaten with Shane, his brother had asked her: 'Shane wasn't there, was he?'
His mum had intervened: 'No.' Luke had then added: 'Shane was not in when I left.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509
Shane Mitchell could not have joined his mother downstairs at 5:16pm because he had not yet logged off after his internet session.
Did Shane Mitchell use the bathroom after his “internet session” and if so how long was he in the bathroom?
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What from the above parts of the trial transcripts related to Shane Mitchell’s evidence is missing?
“LUKE Mitchell's brother recoiled in horror yesterday as he was shown gruesome pictures of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body.
Shane Mitchell, 23, was confronted with the shocking images in court.
He turned away after being shown the first photo and immediately asked for a break.
Shane sat in the witness box sipping a glass of water and wiping tears from his eyes before he had to look at another four photos.
He then admitted that, when he returned home on the day that Jodi died, he watched porn on his computer because he thought he was alone in the house.
Luke Mitchell, now 16, denies murdering Jodi, and maintains he was in the house when she died.
Shane told the High Court in Edinburgh that, on June 30, 2003, he arrived home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 4.50pm.
He said he went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, told Shane he had no desire to humiliate or embarrass him but he wanted to know if he did anything else at that time.
When Shane said he wasn't, Mr Turnbull asked him to look at photos of Jodi's body where it was found near the town's wooded Roan's Dyke path.
As he glanced at the first photo, Mr Turnbull stated: 'I am not surprised to see your reaction. You looked a bit horrified and looked away, didn't you?
Shane replied: 'Yes.' Mr Turnbull added: 'These are not pleasant.The reason I asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what we are dealing with. Do you understand now?
'Do you appreciate I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this?'
Again, Shane replied: 'Yes.' The witness then admitted he had been engaged in a sex act while watching porn.
He agreed with the prosecutor that he wouldn't have done that if he thought anyone else had been home.
Mr Turnbull asked him: 'On that evening,about4.55pm,who did you think was in the house?'
Shane told him: 'No one at that time.' The advocate depute then asked: 'Did you see Luke when you went down after the internet session?'
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Mr Turnbull read out a police statement from Luke Mitchell in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.
His mother was present at the interview and, when police asked if he had eaten with Shane, his brother had asked her: 'Shane wasn't there, was he?'
His mum had intervened: 'No.' Luke had then added: 'Shane was not in when I left.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509
Shane Mitchell did not leave the house until “just after” 6:20pm - so this was yet another bare faced lie of killer Luke Mitchell’s - which Corinne Mitchell appears to have let fly
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Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452488.html#msg452488
”I'm sorry, I seem to have caused a bit of a misunderstanding. Of the incoming voicemail call on Luke's phone that night, I said“I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on, but got his voicemail - the timings given in her statement and both her and Luke's phone records all matched up. My point was that the police deliberately lied about Luke "checking his voicemail" when the log is clearly labelled "incoming."
All of the police assertions regarding the phone calls, texts, etc, were put to Luke in the Section 14 interrogation 6 weeks after the murder. By then, the police had the phone logs - they also recovered a text from Corinne to Luke saying, "Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you" (not recovered from Luke's phone).
Corrine Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”
Sandra Lean
“Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you”
At 12:31pm killer Luke Mitchell telephoned his mother Corinne Mitchell and told her “Stop f..king phoning” (Source Scott C Forbes)
Ergo the killers mobile phone could not have been with any police officer until after this (00:30hrs) time
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
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Alan Turnbull appears to have made the jury aware of the fact Shane Mitchell had fabricated a story when he gave his 7th July 2003 police witness statement
Alan Turnbull also appears to have made the jury aware of the fact Shane Mitchell had continued to lie about the events surrounding the 30th June 2003
Shane Mitchell could not have been in two places at one time
Alan Turnbull: Now we looked, remember, yesterday at the call of 4 minutes past 6, that’s when you were on your way to Mr Beverage’s
Shane Mitchell could not have been on his way to Mr Beveridge’s at 6:04pm if Shane did not leave his house until “just after” 6:20pm
This appear to be what Alan Turnbull was demonstrating to the jury - that Shane Mitchell continued to lie
After Shane Mitchell gave evidence, his mother Corinne Mitchell gave her evidence
During which she stated to Alan Turnbull about her killer son Luke Mitchell
“He physically couldn’t have been in two places at once”
The jury had previously heard Alan Turnbull demonstrate during Shane Mitchell’s testimony that Shane could not “have been in two places at once”
How did the jury perceive Corinne Mitchell’s evidence after having heard all previous witnesses evidence, including Shane Mitchell’s?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her first discredited book “No Smoke”
“The "fact" that Shane said Luke was not at home between 5pm and 5.45pm” http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
Fraudster Scott Forbes made the claim killer Luke Mitchell had texted his mother Corinne Mitchell at 5:45pm - which can be heard on the latest video by What They Found here
👇
https://youtu.be/0I0ETERCdmI?feature=shared
Was 5:45pm when killer Luke Mitchell changed his clothes and footwear?
What were Shane Mitchell and Corinne Mitchell doing at 5:45pm?
Did Shane Mitchell see killer Luke Mitchell when he (Shane) left to go to Gary Coyle’s house “just after” 6:20pm?
Where did killer Luke claim he was at 6:20pm?
What made killer Luke Mitchell change his mind about inviting David High back to his home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent?
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
So, re. the Jones family requesting the transcripts, they could buy them like any other family who request transcripts.
They are there anyone can request them, I don't understand why I was told differently. I support Luke based on DNA, so release the samples. End the doubt NOW!
11:07 PM · Nov 9, 2023
Sharon was visiting killer Luke Mitchell and very similar to fraudster Sandra Lean - he turned on her then dumped her
Since Sharon was dumped - Nicola and Gemma are now Sandra Lean and the murderers main “marks”
Firmly suspect MAPPA agencies are aware of the murderers shenanigans and this could very well be what was meant when it was referred to his previous offender behaviour
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Suzy Hall on Twitter is pretending she wants “Justice for Jodi”
In response Sharon Indy Sunshine can’t even say Jodi Jones name
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
She does, so does Luke. 19 years locked up and no sign of that changing! Why?
1:48 AM · Nov 9, 2023
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Did the Jury know Luke Mitchell's Mother and Brother's charges were dropped during the trial?
Yes
No
27 votes
5 days left
1:54 AM · Nov 9, 2023
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It was blatantly obvious charlatan Sandra Lean had targeted Sharon before the James English nonsense in 2019
Sandra Lean even appeared to pretend like she was nervous
What happened prior to Lean’s October 2022 “update” and why did she choose to use a clip which included Sharon’s first video with her?
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Sandra Lean
Why have you been telling people because you are in Scotland you can’t sue people in England?
@)(++(*
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Is this Stuart Henderson ?
We Stand Together For Luke Mitchell
@W_S_T_F_L_M
Alan Turnbull addressed the Judge but while the Jury was out the room
@Justic4LM
@stuzi_pants
@Stephenheid
@SandraLean5
@GoogleExpertUK
@Tucker5law
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
@Raicheruu
@Truth4Luke
@michael73798531
@DaleVince
@fundingscotland
@theedgefund
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6:15 PM · Nov 10, 2023
Today - the above account tweeted that the jury were not informed that the charges for attempting to pervert the course of justice against Shane Mitchell and Corinne Mitchell
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The @WeKnowTheyKnow1 and @JusticeforLM twitter accounts no longer exist
Heather Brunt is too busy harassing and abusing people to notice this apparently
Heather
@Truth4Luke
....and BOTH Passed their lie detector tests
6:31 PM · Nov 10, 2023
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It was blatantly obvious charlatan Sandra Lean had targeted Sharon before the James English nonsense in 2019
Sandra Lean even appeared to pretend like she was nervous
What happened prior to Lean’s October 2022 “update” and why did she choose to use a clip which included Sharon’s first video with her?
Sandra Lean intentionally used that clip of her and Sharon in her Oct 2022 “update”
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Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452488.html#msg452488
”I'm sorry, I seem to have caused a bit of a misunderstanding. Of the incoming voicemail call on Luke's phone that night, I said“I didn't mean the actual call was still on Luke's phone - I should have made that clearer. The record of the call going to voicemail is in the phone logs, Corinne said in her statement that she was trying to call Luke to find out what was going on, but got his voicemail - the timings given in her statement and both her and Luke's phone records all matched up. My point was that the police deliberately lied about Luke "checking his voicemail" when the log is clearly labelled "incoming."
All of the police assertions regarding the phone calls, texts, etc, were put to Luke in the Section 14 interrogation 6 weeks after the murder. By then, the police had the phone logs - they also recovered a text from Corinne to Luke saying, "Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you" (not recovered from Luke's phone).
Corrine Mitchell
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”
Sandra Lean
“Right, you tell me right now what's going on - I'm coming up to get you”
Alan Turnbull went through all the call logs for the jury during the trial
Derek Morris was one of the witnesses who also helped the jury understand the phone data
’She said her son returned home quite early that night, at around 9pm, and told her that Jodi had not turned up.
“Did that surprise you?” Mr Turnbull asked.
“Yes, it did,” she replied.
She said they thought perhaps Jodi had gone to a friend’s house or had been grounded.
“How would you describe the way he was reacting to the fact she hadn’t turned up?” Mr Turnbull asked.
Mrs Mitchell replied: “I think more miffed that she hadn’t turned up.”
Asked whether he had seemed anxious, she said: “Not at that point, no.” She said he then went up to his bedroom before taking the dog for a walk.
Later that evening the police told her that Jodi Jones was dead. She denied she then said to police: “Is Luke a suspect?”
Mrs Mitchell explained she would not have said that, because she thought at that stage Jodi had died an accidental death. “I worried that she might have left her inhaler and suffered a breathing attack.”
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386928.html#msg386928
Sandra Lean
Here are the known facts -
Luke returned home at 9.30pm (based on testimony from the other boys he was hanging around with that night.)
He took Mia out for her last walk at around 10.20 - 10.30 -
it was during this walk that he received JuJ's text intended for Jodi.
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
The way Sandra said “hope you’re well” sounded fake, put on, another of her ruses
Why didn’t Sandra ask anyone else if they were “well”?
Why just Sharon?
In reality - Sharon was Sandra Lean’s special one, the chosen one, one of her main targeted marks
And Sandra’s replica wall nonsense was nonsense also
The replica wall was built so that the witnesses could demonstrate to the jury exactly where they were
It wasn’t “pure theatre” as scammer Sandra Lean claimed
None of these witnesses were actors or actresses or familiar with being stood in front of a court room full of people (it was a packed courtroom, the public queued to get in)
The replica wall was important for both the defence and the prosecution
This was the trial of a teenager, who if found guilty (like he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison
Sandra Lean claimed the replica wall was “rubbish” and complained about the “money” spent on building it
The replica wall was an important part of the trial and of killer Luke Mitchell’s defence
It was built for fairness
It was built to ensure a teenager was not “wrongly convicted”
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated;
“We paid for that” “we paid for the entire trial as well and all the police officers who were involved in the investigation that we now know, that we now know was disastrous” 🙄
Sandra Lean intentionally said “that we now know” twice 🙄
But Sandra Lean - to this day - has no clue about the police investigation
She had no clue about who the police investigated and/or spoke to as part of their investigation
She has been blagging for all these years - pretending she understands police investigations
Again - this was a teenager who, if found guilty (as he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison - possibly the rest of his life
This trial needed to get it right first time around - which it did!
As the 4 appeals since have also demonstrated!
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
The way Sandra said “hope you’re well” sounded fake, put on, another of her ruses
Why didn’t Sandra ask anyone else if they were “well”?
Why just Sharon?
In reality - Sharon was Sandra Lean’s special one, the chosen one, one of her main targeted marks
And Sandra’s replica wall nonsense was nonsense also
The replica wall was built so that the witnesses could demonstrate to the jury exactly where they were
It wasn’t “pure theatre” as scammer Sandra Lean claimed
None of these witnesses were actors or actresses or familiar with being stood in front of a court room full of people (it was a packed courtroom, the public queued to get in)
The replica wall was important for both the defence and the prosecution
This was the trial of a teenager, who if found guilty (like he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison
Sandra Lean claimed the replica wall was “rubbish” and complained about the “money” spent on building it
The replica wall was an important part of the trial and of killer Luke Mitchell’s defence
It was built for fairness
It was built to ensure a teenager was not “wrongly convicted”
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated;
“We paid for that” “we paid for the entire trial as well and all the police officers who were involved in the investigation that we now know, that we now know was disastrous” 🙄
Sandra Lean intentionally said “that we now know” twice 🙄
But Sandra Lean - to this day - has no clue about the police investigation
Again - this was a teenager who, if found guilty (as he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison - possibly the rest of his life
This trial needed to get it right first time around - which it did as the 4 appeals since have also demonstrated
Jen Gale
@genthewren
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Nov 9
I daresay one of the officers on the case had a partner who's replica scale wall business was about to fold.
Got to love a little bit of Jen!
Or on Mr Mathews around the Sky interview!
Jen Gale
@genthewren
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Nov 10
One officer had a brother who couldn't find work on account of looking and sounding like an evil gnome. So he held him down and shaved his long black beard, burned his pointed hat and packed him off Sky News with a large brown envelope. No one knows what became of him.
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
The way Sandra said “hope you’re well” sounded fake, put on, another of her ruses
Why didn’t Sandra ask anyone else if they were “well”?
Why just Sharon?
In reality - Sharon was Sandra Lean’s special one, the chosen one, one of her main targeted marks
And Sandra’s replica wall nonsense was nonsense also
The replica wall was built so that the witnesses could demonstrate to the jury exactly where they were
It wasn’t “pure theatre” as scammer Sandra Lean claimed
None of these witnesses were actors or actresses or familiar with being stood in front of a court room full of people (it was a packed courtroom, the public queued to get in)
The replica wall was important for both the defence and the prosecution
This was the trial of a teenager, who if found guilty (like he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison
Sandra Lean claimed the replica wall was “rubbish” and complained about the “money” spent on building it
The replica wall was an important part of the trial and of killer Luke Mitchell’s defence
It was built for fairness
It was built to ensure a teenager was not “wrongly convicted”
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated;
“We paid for that” “we paid for the entire trial as well and all the police officers who were involved in the investigation that we now know, that we now know was disastrous” 🙄
Sandra Lean intentionally said “that we now know” twice 🙄
But Sandra Lean - to this day - has no clue about the police investigation
She had no clue about who the police investigated and/or spoke to as part of their investigation
She has been blagging for all these years - pretending she understands police investigations
Again - this was a teenager who, if found guilty (as he was done) would be spending a very, very long time in prison - possibly the rest of his life
This trial needed to get it right first time around - which it did!
As the 4 appeals since have also demonstrated!
The wall as you highlight, put together to show clearly the sequence of events that had taken place on the path side.
I did note on her latest live that responses in the comments were primarily around those mentioning £'s?
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated (referring to the murderers trial);
“That was manipulated into existence”
Not unlike the fraudulent campaign for sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell she has orchestrated
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated during her above nonsense of a video
“I might put in a freedom of information request (FOIR) actually just to see if we can get that information”
She was attempting to plant a seed into her “marks’” minds to have them do this
Sandra Lean will have made ZERO FOIR since she stated this
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”Shane discusses the websites accessed - directly from the transcripts”
👇
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html?m=1
June 26th, 2019 - Jeremy Bamber Forum
Sandra Lean
And, before the inevitable comments about him "admitting" that he was masturbating, he didn't. I have the court transcripts - it was put to him that he might have been "doing something else" whilst looking at the images ... Shane agreed that he "may have been" - that's it. We now, know, of course, that the "pornographic images" were almost certainly pop-ups, on screen for a few seconds, so he wasn't "watching porn" as has been claimed for all these years".
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”Shane discusses the websites accessed - directly from the transcripts”
👇
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html?m=1
June 26th, 2019 - Jeremy Bamber Forum
Sandra Lean
And, before the inevitable comments about him "admitting" that he was masturbating, he didn't. I have the court transcripts - it was put to him that he might have been "doing something else" whilst looking at the images ... Shane agreed that he "may have been" - that's it. We now, know, of course, that the "pornographic images" were almost certainly pop-ups, on screen for a few seconds, so he wasn't "watching porn" as has been claimed for all these years".
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her page 269 of her betraying the innocence nonsense of a book
DC1: What about the use of pornographic books... did Jodi see those books... you didn’t look at them together or anything?
Again, Luke answered, “No.”
What was the then 14 year old killer Luke Mitchell doing with pornsgrwphic book and who bought them for him?
Were the pornagrapgic books another Christmas present from Corinne Mitchell?
Did Shane Mitchell give his then 14 year old brother pornagraphic books?
Who was the supplier of these pornagraphic books and where did they come from?
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean from the above video
“I used to renovate properties”?
When and where and how many properties did you renovate Sandra Lean?
And why if you used to “renovate properties” as you alleged did you lose your home and business?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from her page 269 of her betraying the innocence nonsense of a book
DC1: What about the use of pornographic books... did Jodi see those books... you didn’t look at them together or anything?
Again, Luke answered, “No.”
What was the then 14 year old killer Luke Mitchell doing with pornsgrwphic book and who bought them for him?
Were the pornagrapgic books another Christmas present from Corinne Mitchell?
Did Shane Mitchell give his then 14 year old brother pornagraphic books?
Who was the supplier of these pornagraphic books and where did they come from?
Scammer Sandra Lean from page 269 (IB)
“Luke had already answered, in detail, questions about protection – this further question appeared to have no justification, other than keeping an intense and uncomfortable focus on sex. 🙄
Was sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell “uncomfortable” when he received these pornagraphic books Sandra Lean?
Was sadist Luke Mitchell “uncomfortable” about his mother Corinne Mitchell finding these pornographic books ?
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean from the above video again (in response to Derek)🙄
“I think it’s clear, I think it’s clear, that, that, the, the er independent review is essentially saying - they stitch it up amongst themselves
“They have, they have stitched it up among themselves to create the cases they want to create
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All these “independent” people who did not attend killer Luke Mitchell’s trial and have never read each and everyone of the trial transcripts
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Straight from the transcripts - Luke's brother and the computer
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html…
11:33 PM · Nov 10, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1723121826262360136
TJ C
@TJC1419439
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
@TweetStreetocc1
@hawaii_fivo
@Naomi_TV
11:37 PM · Nov 10, 2023
Why did the author of @TJC1419439 tag in @WeKnowTheyKnow1 when the account no longer exists?
Oh it’s still there retweeting Heather Brunt 🙄
We Stand Together For Luke Mitchell
@W_S_T_F_L_M
#LukeMitchell is a very intelligent Man. Enough not to admit to something he has ‘t done. He would rather spend the rest of his life in Jail.
Listn to Luke’s treatment from authorities, in his own words.
@stuzi_pants
@Stephenheid
@Tucker5law
@DaleVince
youtube.com
Luke Mitchell - Sound of Silence Part 1
In this first of a series 4 interviews, Luke tells what his life is like right now and the beginning, almost 2 years ago, of a new and even more insidious fo...
8:43 PM · Nov 9, 2023
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Heather Brunt projecting
Heather
@Truth4Luke
Listened to Rachel's Live Feed Earlier, Dr Lean Was Saying The Untested Samples Were Labeled
"Not For Trial"
@PoliceScotland Are Making An Absolute Fool Of The Public and #LukeMitchell and the disrespect they STILL Show a 14year murdered child. Sickening
4:02 PM · Nov 4, 2023
https://twitter.com/Truth4Luke/status/1720834015802908759
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Straight from the transcripts - Luke's brother and the computer
…https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html…
11:33 PM · Nov 10, 2023
https://twitter.com/TJC1419439/status/1723121826262360136
This is like reading a book where all the pages have been ripped out, 95% of the pages are missing and the remaining pages have had some of the writing on the pages blanked out
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”Shane discusses the websites accessed - directly from the transcripts”
👇
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html?m=1
June 26th, 2019 - Jeremy Bamber Forum
Sandra Lean
And, before the inevitable comments about him "admitting" that he was masturbating, he didn't. I have the court transcripts - it was put to him that he might have been "doing something else" whilst looking at the images ... Shane agreed that he "may have been" - that's it. We now, know, of course, that the "pornographic images" were almost certainly pop-ups, on screen for a few seconds, so he wasn't "watching porn" as has been claimed for all these years".
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Scammer Sandra Lean - page 369 of her 2nd innocence fraud book
“The officer introduced “evidence” he said the police had obtained about Shane’s use of the internet that evening – in particular, that he had been looking at pornog- raphy (this is the same scattergun approach used in Luke’s interrogation, jumping from subject to subject to confuse and disorient the witness). Out of nowhere, this officer questioned Shane about “gay sites” which, he asserted, had been accessed during Shane’s internet usage.
Shane replied that the gay sites had come up “by accident”.
There were no gay sites”.
PC used to access internet porn on day that Jodi died - The Scotsman 10th January 2010
“The court heard that the final image which had been accessed before the internet session was ended depicted a man who had been digitally altered so his lower half was that of a naked female
https://www.scotsman.com/news/pc-used-to-access-internet-porn-on-day-that-jodi-died-2509716
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Excerpts from con-artist Sandra Lean’s 1st discredited book No Smoke (p.104)
”More than a year after the guilty verdict, as the defence team were preparing to appeal, the existence of unidentified DNA was once again raised”
2006 - the year warped minded fantasist Scott Forbes went to Scot Caravan’s and met with liar Corinne Mitchell
“Eventually documents were released which clarified the situation - in spite of police claims during the initial investigation that there had been no DNA at the scene which had been unaccounted for, it now emerged that there had always been one DNA sample that remained unidentified.
Just prior to this book going to press, further witness statements, pointing to another, far more credible suspect were passed to the defence. The police claimed that these statements had not been followed up because the case was “closed”. [/i]
Scammer Sandra Lean from her 1st Innocence Fraud book “No Smoke”
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Lean still hasn't announced the Dalkeith venue for her convicted killer fundraiser on the 9th. It's almost as though the tide is going out instead of turning.
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Corrine Mitchell
“When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.
Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.
After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!
Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg22813.html#msg22813
Yet Corinne Mitchell was caught on CCTV in Morning Noon and Night at around 5:07pm buying cigarette’s and alcohol
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Claiming killer innocent part of search for truth - The Scotsman - May 2007
‘With piles of legal papers, transcripts, notes and scribbled questions in her arms, she sat down to look into convicted killer Luke Mitchell's face - and was troubled by what saw.
"I thought: 'Oh, he's just a bairn, he's just a laddie'," she recalls. "He looked so much younger, people have forgotten how young. But he is a strong lad with a brilliant sense of humour. One who still believes this is just one huge cock-up, that it's just a matter of time before it gets sorted out.
"He believes they will get to the truth and that will be it. It'll be sorted - and he will be out."
The notion that the now 18-year-old Luke Mitchell - convicted of brutally slaying girlfriend Jodi Jones in a vicious attack which shocked Scotland - could be released following an appeal hearing at the end of the summer might well send a tremor through the tightly-knit communities around Dalkeith. Areas like Easthouses, Newbattle and Mayfield were plunged into deep shock four years ago when the 14-year-old's mutilated body was found beside a woodland path.
But the idea that he may be helped on his way to freedom by a local mother of two teenage girls who, fearful for her own children's safety set out in an attempt to prove his guilt only to discover that he may, after all, be innocent, has enraged some.
For Sandra, a 43-year-old psychology and sociology graduate whose home is just a five-minute drive from the wooded lane where Jodi met her death, has been one of the very few to suggest the unthinkable: that Luke Mitchell just might be innocent.
It's a suggestion that has certainly sparked high emotions. "Yes, there has been a bit of intimidation since I started this," nods Sandra, reflecting on four years spent trying to fathom out who really has Jodi Jones' blood on their hands. "I've been followed around, intimidated. It's not been very pleasant, and you'd have to be stupid not to feel uncomfortable about that. But as a mother, I'd rather know they have the right person behind bars."
In her hands, she holds the book she has finally just seen published. No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice highlights seven high-profile criminal convictions - including Mitchell's - each of them she firmly believes to be a gross miscarriage of justice. It includes cases like that of Sion Jenkins - the stepfather of Billie-Jo Jenkins who has finally been cleared of her murder - and Gordon Park, whose wife Carol Ann Park's body was found in the Lake District 30 years after she went missing.
But it is Mitchell's conviction and the court case that held Scotland gripped by the details of his oddball existence, drugs, two-timing and alleged obsession with the occult - that may incur the displeasure of her local community.
"The public opinion was so much against Luke Mitchell and the Mitchell family that to start speaking in support and start questioning things has been risky," admits Sandra.
"I was in a shop recently, talking to someone I know when another woman came in. The person I was speaking to mentioned that I'd been looking at the Luke Mitchell case, and this other woman - you know the kind, knuckles scrapping on the floor - turned and growled something like: 'Well, you'd just better watch yourself'."
There have been other, even more worrying incidents which Sandra prefers not to discuss publicly. Yet she is so driven to lift the lid on what she sees as fundamental flaws in the justice system which have sent Mitchell to jail for 20 years, that she's prepared to take the flak: "I'll just not shop in that shop for a while," she shrugs.
While the police still insist the case is closed, her personal conclusion is that Jodi's killer could not have been the then 14-year-old Mitchell and that the legal case around the St David's High School pupil was based on circumstantial evidence, and the investigation botched.
But to establish the facts of the case it meant carrying out her own investigation of the case - interviewing key people, tracing and timing the route Mitchell was alleged to have taken and scanning hundreds of pages of evidence, statements and transcripts.
She even walked, then ran the path, crawled through rough land beyond the wall where Jodi died and attempted to figure out how Mitchell could have committed the crime in the time it was suggested, only to find it wasn't possible. She did it not to upset Jodi's family, but to ensure the police had the right man.
"I can't imagine what Jodi's family have been through. And for them to have to face the possibility that it wasn't Luke who did this - how betrayed will they feel? How devastating for them.
"But my girls used a path to walk to Newbattle High School - not the path where Jodi died, but one not unlike it. I wanted to know that they were safe," she explains. "The more I looked, the more pieces didn't fit."
There are several areas which set her alarms bells ringing: the lack of DNA evidence and the question mark over eyewitness sightings of Mitchell near the scene; the fact Jodi's body had been left, uncovered on a rainy night before forensic officers arrived and the presence of two young men on a moped near the scene who were both quickly eliminated from the enquiry.
Soon Mitchell was being portrayed as an oddball who played with knives, smoked dope to excess and penned essays praising Satan - quickly emerging as the chief suspect. "It was as if someone had decided it was Luke that did it, and that was it," claims Sandra.
The root of the issue, she argues, is a justice system which encourages collusion between the Crown Prosecution Service and the police - a system aimed at gluing together evidence with a prosecution case but which some believe prompts investigators and lawyers to establish the story of the incident and then make the facts fit.
"I wrote this because I was so bloody angry," she explains. "We were all trotting along thinking things were one way when they are not. I wanted to raise awareness and get change. I want people to get as mad as a box of frogs too, to say they don't want innocent people locked up and I want to be sure that we are safe.
"Don't give us this bull that we have locked up someone and that's it. I want to know that the person they have is the right person so when I go to the shop for a bottle of wine or a loaf of bread he isn't going jump out at me.
"Everyone says you are safe, he is off the streets. But in so many cases I've looked at the person that did it is still free and it could be anyone, it could be the person across the street or over the fence. It might be your or your friends' kids who are in the wrong place at the wrong time."
Her inquiries took her to Mitchell's mother, Corinne, and eventually to Polmont Young Offenders Institute, where the teenager remains behind bars.
She had already met Luke before his conviction, but seeing him locked up brought home to her once more the enormity of his case. "He is just a laddie sitting there. He absolutely, categorically says he did not do it and I have never seen anything in him to suggest he did. Not a smidgeon of doubt that he is innocent.
"He is your normal, antsy, in-your-face teenager. Did he do it? I believe there were a couple of other people with more ability and opportunity, with more evidence pointing in that direction than in Luke's.
"To me, it's clear they have the wrong guy."
• No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice, by Sandra Lean
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025
You’ve never cared about the Jones family Sandra Lean!
Just like you haven’t cared about the people you have betrayed with your bare faced lies!
Why did you choose to write and publish a second innocence fraud book before having read all the trial transcripts Sandra Lean?
The lawyers involved with the TV show murder in a small town would not have read all the trial transcripts either
What were the lawyers names again who were alleged to have “facts checked” the case?
Legal and business affairs: David McKie, Mauny Wright & Cassie Mensah
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawyer-of-the-week-david-mckie-solicitor-who-defended-alex-salmond-in-sex-claims-case-t272kx96f
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean at approx 47:03 during the above video
“There is this ridiculous claim that it’s undermining justice - okay so not answering questions that really need answered and not releasing the information that would give the full picture isn’t undermining public confidence”
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
At approx 50:47 during the above video scammer Sandra Lean reads a comment from Ana
Ana:
It’s funny when people call us amateur detectives ignoring the fact that a jury are just members of the public and in this case not even given the full facts and furthermore ignoring the opinions of professionals
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean at approx 51:46 during the above video
Lou:
None of it fits or makes sense never mind beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s madness, they all know it and that’s why they have tried to ignore it and won’t release info
Scammer Sandra Lean:
Yeah, Erm It doesn’t make sense eh eh I guess it was never meant to make sense, it, it was cobbled together as a compelling narrative that wasn’t ever really supposed to be picked apart in this way
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Nicole Stevenson on Facebook
“Ow fuk off Judy”
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean stated at around 54:57 (7th November 2022)
“Erm I would like to come back fairly regularly, when there are updates like this that I can share with ya, erm I don’t think I’ll be doing weekly again, in part because that was designed to be for Luke’s case and once again mainstream media, I am not here as a representative of Luke’s case, I’m not here in any professional capacity, just me talking about justice matters
Another bust up 👆🏽
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean refers to a question asked by Derek at around 56:05 in the above video
Derek:
I wonder if the jury feel as duped as other members of the public that have changed their views when presented with the hard facts
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Scammer Sandra Lean:
That, that must be very very difficult for any of them who do, because, while we have, while we have, I suppose the liberty to change our mind and to say you know ‘I had that lad guilty for so long’ we don’t have the responsibility of having put him where’s he’s been for the last 17 years and I think for, for jurors that must be one helluva burden, to, to have been on that jury, maybe to have gone with a guilty verdict to now be going ‘I don’t know if that was the right way to go’. It must be awful for them and I think again we, we need to look at the damage that these sorts of cases do to jurors as well because they’ve got to live with the result of what they did on the basis of what they thought was the truth. To find out years later that it wasn’t the truth, or it wasn’t all of the truth, or a lot of it was just made up rubbish
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Towards the end of the above video
Scammer Sandra Lean:
Right, thank all so much for being here, Erm I was a little bit nervous about doing this today, but you’ve been lovely and you’ve made it, you’ve made it a real pleasure once again, so erm I’m gonna head off and I will be back soon, eh not quite sure when but I will post when I’m coming back again
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"Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"
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Got to love a little bit of Jen!
Or on Mr Mathews around the Sky interview!
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Jen has been listening to the bs pushed out by that fraudster Bob Ruff and his “researchers” 🙄
Jen Gale: 3w
Elections next year and we'll do what we can. I remember thinking the case was odd at the time but I assumed he must have been convicted on solid evidence, I believed the system worked. I had no idea.
Jen Gale:
Innocence Fraud did you go to the pantomime themed, 'oh yes he did.' 'Oh no he didnt!' school of investigation? If you've information, direct quotes then by all means state your case. Otherwise...
Jen Gale:
Describing Dorothy Bain as a 'real lawyer' is interesting.
Lawyers doing their job property is as it should be, they are paid enough. The tone of your link is gutter tabloid. I don't need this to be sensationalised, I need an independent investigation before I will believe this conviction is safe. I have read every word of the article. None of it is new to me - it admits the statements change. We take a lot of trust when we challenge and the article is right on one point, when mud is slung and conspiracy theories abound, innocent people get hurt. That's why it needs an independent investigation to settle.
Jen Gale
@genthewren
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Nov 9
I daresay one of the officers on the case had a partner who's replica scale wall business was about to fold.
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During scammer Sandra Lean’s replica of the wall nonsense of a video she stated;
“Hi Sharon - hope you’re well”
The video is called “learn how your justice system works” 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean stated at around 7:52
”This particular live is all about education”
@)(++(*
What a charlatan you are Sandra Lean!
She goes on
“We, we need to know as individuals, and as a society, we need to see what’s done, why it’s done, how it’s done and what the outcomes are, and we need to understand that
Because as long as we are blindly relying on the system (scammer Sandra Lean) to do the right thing innocent people (are being betrayed)
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And
“Even, Even I, after 18 years of turning the system on its head”
@)(++(*
You have done no such thing Sandra Lean!
That’ll be your vanity speaking - again 🙄
You have spent the past however many years telling people bare faced lies about a dangerous, sadistic and sexually deviant psychopathic murderer! And numerous other lies about other innocent people!
And now your bare faced lies are being exposed - one by one - by your former supporters, who are beginning to see through you and your scam!
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated at around 7:52
“Even, Even I, after 18 years of turning the system on its head”
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Paulpeter Mck
*Thanks to sharon indy sunshine.
I've seen a good few dodgy profiles in my time but these people failed to think of other names using the first part of one first name and the last of the other's first name and same with the sir name.
It's akin to one of those America's dumbest criminal videos.
How does this help??
Now going back to recover from 6 days in hospital.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02hJTUCfKJN1YUjbL7qWk2tevzedVWSqDZxnxM1hS9Xk3CbEbDRsP6u1PSgoyRYyukl&id=100084122046673
Paulpeter Mck shared a screenshot of the Facebook account Gemola Bhapnan which appears to have belonged to Gemma Chapman and Nicola Brennan
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Psychopathic murderer Sean Toal (aka social sessions) who also has that psycho stutter, similar to psycho murderers Jeremy Bamber & Luke Mitchell
Innocence Fraud Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton From Defunct WAP Website On Guilty Murderer Sean Toal (Part 258)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/16/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-defunct-wap-website-on-guilty-murderer-sean-toal-part-258/
More on murderer Sean Toal
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/no-remorse-lanarkshire-killer-family-27243425
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10905462/brazen-murderer-stabbed-our-son-to-death/
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mum-tells-relief-murdering-6414735
https://www.scotsman.com/news/judges-vow-never-again-as-they-reject-seven-year-appeal-1607652
An Opinion Piece From ‘The Wilfully Ignorant’ (Part 191)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/29/killer-luke-mitchell-an-opinion-piece-from-the-wilfully-ignorant-part-191/
Killer Luke Mitchell: Innocence Fraud Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton From WAP On Actually, Factually Guilty Psychopathic Murderer Adrian Prout & Messages From Mothers Of Murderers, Carol Toal & Corinne Mitchell (Part 232)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/21/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-on-actually-factually-guilty-psychopathic-murderer-adrian-prout-messages-fro/
Killer Simon Hall: Brother Shaun Hall: Innocence Fraud, Donations To Keep Website Running, More Confessions, Acting Out Of Character & “Just Remember The Truth Always Comes Out In The End”- Part 11a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
Like guilty murderer Luke Mitchell, guilty murderer Sean Toal’s trial transcripts are not yet in the public domain
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Why don’t you crowdfund to buy the transcripts?
Why’s that killer Sean Toal got so many accounts?
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“The intention of this blog isn't to imply innocence or guilt but to highlight the actual facts of the trial and witness testimony”
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html
Get off the fence!
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell is guilty!
He was found guilty by a jury who heard a wealth of evidence!
There is no need for any commentary to these partial, out of context transcripts
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As a trainee lawyer, back in 2010/11 he worked for MOJO 3 days a week and was apparently “instrumental in investigating two cases” https://mojoscotland.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Annual-Report-2010-112.pdf
MOJO secured a 2 year supervised traineeship for Scott Forbes with Graham Mann solicitors.
Around the same time securing a paid placement for Paul McLaughlin (who was mentioned in the news article here https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1439054-miscarriages-of-justice-charity-stripped-of-lottery-funding/)
In their annual report MOJO stated:
“Paul and Scott have been a huge asset to the Organisation and in taking the
Projects aims and objectives forward
Therefore we are hoping to have 7 directors by the end of 2011. They will be
Patrick Hill
Gerard Conlon
Paul Blackburn
Michael O’Brien
John McManus
Willie Rennie (Liberal Democrat MSP)
Iain Stephen (Consultant Clinical Psychologist)
Dr Paul Miller (Clinical Psychologist)[/i]
The two cases/campaigns were murderers Luke Mitchell and Sean Toal
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Ah, they are at their censorship again. So much for a truth movement! It's built on a foundation of lies. How does that help Luke.
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James Easton
@James_C_Easton
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I have merely, recently highlighted the availability of trial transcripts, despite Sandra Lean evidenced as proclaiming otherwise for years... why is the following justified?
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1:50 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
This just keeps getting worse - why silence the facts? People deserve the facts, isn't that what the whole campaign has been about?
2:37 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Well as we know there is a single narrative that must be obeyed on pain of death! Or you're blocked! Living under the tyrannical campaign strategy is not good for anyone especially Luke as it just pushes good people away from the campaign, you can hardly say they are flourishing.
2:52 PM · Nov 12, 2023
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Just thought i would pop in and say hello.
Seems like people that were scammed are now realizing what many of us have known for years.
Anyone know the venue for Lean's personal fundraiser?
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Have to say, fantastic work from nicholas 8((()*/
And that new YouTube channel, that calls out the contradictions. WhatIf? Great work.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Ah, they are at their censorship again. So much for a truth movement! It's built on a foundation of lies. How does that help Luke.
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James Easton
@James_C_Easton
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I have merely, recently highlighted the availability of trial transcripts, despite Sandra Lean evidenced as proclaiming otherwise for years... why is the following justified?
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1:50 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
This just keeps getting worse - why silence the facts? People deserve the facts, isn't that what the whole campaign has been about?
2:37 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Well as we know there is a single narrative that must be obeyed on pain of death! Or you're blocked! Living under the tyrannical campaign strategy is not good for anyone especially Luke as it just pushes good people away from the campaign, you can hardly say they are flourishing.
2:52 PM · Nov 12, 2023
The person who has published those trial transcripts has also censored the transcripts
Why silence the facts?
People deserve facts!
Killer Luke Mitchell’s trial was a PUBLIC trial and yhe facts were heard in an OPEN court!
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Killer Simon Hall: Brother Shaun Hall: Innocence Fraud, Donations To Keep Website Running, More Confessions, Acting Out Of Character & “Just Remember The Truth Always Comes Out In The End”- Part 11a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
Murdeer Sean Toal’s mother left a message for murderer Simon Hall “who raped an old woman” (Scott C Forbes) as can be read in the above
Carol Toal also left a message for murderer Adrian Prout as can be seen in the below
Killer Luke Mitchell: Innocence Fraud Scammers Sandra Lean & Un-Convicted Baby Murderer Billy Middleton From WAP On Actually, Factually Guilty Psychopathic Murderer Adrian Prout & Messages From Mothers Of Murderers, Carol Toal & Corinne Mitchell (Part 232)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/21/killer-luke-mitchell-innocence-fraud-scammers-sandra-lean-un-convicted-baby-murderer-billy-middleton-from-wap-on-actually-factually-guilty-psychopathic-murderer-adrian-prout-messages-fro/
Liar and grifter Corinne Mitchell stated:
“I have never understood how anyone can be convicted of murder when there is no body. How can anyone be sure that a murder has been convicted? Once again the police failed to spot the obvious. Late withdrew a huge amount of money… then disappeared”
Corinne Mitchell has made no comment since Killer Adrian Prout took the police to his crime scene, where he had buried Kate Prout’s body after murdering her
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Anyone know the venue for Lean's personal fundraiser?
Just announced: Dalkeith Masonic Hall (the irony!) £10 a ticket, games, prizes and fun.
Pitchforks at the ready.
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Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
The sheer arrogance with which he insisted he "hadn't changed his mind" (about Barry) was sickening. And demonstrates his utter contempt for justice processes working as they should (rather than by his preferred type of manipulation).
11:59 AM · Sep 27, 2023
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Just announced: Dalkeith Masonic Hall (the irony!) £10 a ticket, games, prizes and fun.
Pitchforks at the ready.
Sharon Robertson
Freemasons? ask them if they are one. Bet they say they won’t answer or that they are. They don’t say no if they are tho. 2 out of 3 police officers in Britain wouldn’t answer if they are in a survey refused the question. The white n black checks around the police hat under the crown is the Freemason badge. High up in every establishment no wonder places are. corrupted.
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Psychopathic murderer Sean Toal (aka social sessions) who also has that psycho stutter, similar to psycho murderers Jeremy Bamber & Luke Mitchell
From around 37:50 where psycho murderer Sean Toal stutters, did fraudster Scott Forbes refer to him as John?
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4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell arrived home
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16om Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
SIO Craig Dobbie;
“(Luke) Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way.
Why not?
So what exactly was Shane Mitchell up to on that evening between 5:16pm and 6:20pm
Who did Shane Mitchell phone at 6:04pm?
Did Shane burn anything in the back garden that evening?
“LUKE Mitchell's brother recoiled in horror yesterday as he was shown gruesome pictures of Jodi Jones's naked and mutilated body.
Shane Mitchell, 23, was confronted with the shocking images in court.
He turned away after being shown the first photo and immediately asked for a break.
Shane sat in the witness box sipping a glass of water and wiping tears from his eyes before he had to look at another four photos.
He then admitted that, when he returned home on the day that Jodi died, he watched porn on his computer because he thought he was alone in the house.
Luke Mitchell, now 16, denies murdering Jodi, and maintains he was in the house when she died.
Shane told the High Court in Edinburgh that, on June 30, 2003, he arrived home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, Midlothian, at 4.50pm.
He said he went upstairs to his bedroom and watched porn on the internet.
Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, told Shane he had no desire to humiliate or embarrass him but he wanted to know if he did anything else at that time.
When Shane said he wasn't, Mr Turnbull asked him to look at photos of Jodi's body where it was found near the town's wooded Roan's Dyke path.
As he glanced at the first photo, Mr Turnbull stated: 'I am not surprised to see your reaction. You looked a bit horrified and looked away, didn't you?
Shane replied: 'Yes.' Mr Turnbull added: 'These are not pleasant.The reason I asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what we are dealing with. Do you understand now?
'Do you appreciate I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this?'
Again, Shane replied: 'Yes.' The witness then admitted he had been engaged in a sex act while watching porn.
He agreed with the prosecutor that he wouldn't have done that if he thought anyone else had been home.
Mr Turnbull asked him: 'On that evening,about4.55pm,who did you think was in the house?'
Shane told him: 'No one at that time.' The advocate depute then asked: 'Did you see Luke when you went down after the internet session?'
The witness told the court:'I genuinely don't remember seeing my brother. He could have been there.'
Shane said his mum arrived home about 5.15pm and he joined her downstairs.
Mr Turnbull read out a police statement from Luke Mitchell in which he said he had tea with his mum before leaving the house at about 5.30pm to wait for Jodi.
His mother was present at the interview and, when police asked if he had eaten with Shane, his brother had asked her: 'Shane wasn't there, was he?'
His mum had intervened: 'No.' Luke had then added: 'Shane was not in when I left.'
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+PICS+HORROR+OF+MITCHELL%27S+BROTHER%3B+Tears+at+death+trial.-a0126987509
Killer Luke Mitchell did not leave the house at 5:30pm that evening, he had already left around an hour earlier (possibly on his missing push bike) to meet with Jodi Jones
Killers family members can and do lie
Killer Simon Hall’s brother Shaun Hall concocted stories similar to Shane Mitchell
For example, referring to the day his brother had committed his murder Shaun Hall stated to the police;
“I remained at home with Leigh and X for the rest of the day and overnight in to Sunday morning, 16th December 2001, when at about 9.30am my father collected me in his company car along with Simon
We three then returned to Capel St Mary to collect my mother, from where we then continued on to Lincolnshire
We all had lunch together with my maternal Grandparents, Raymond and Joyce *******, and my mothers brother Steve, and his wife and daughter, X and X *******.
There were about eight (8) other persons present whose names I cannot recall
After lunch (at a pub, the name of which I do not recall), we went on to my Grandparents’ home, where we remained until about 5pm
My parents Simon and I then travelled back to Suffolk, where they dropped me off at home at about 7.30pm
I recall later that evening, my mother telephoning me on 01473 ****** and telling me that Joan Albert - a friend of hers from Capel St Mary - had been found dead
“I do not recall anything unusual about Simon over that weekend, other than the usual, he had no money
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-12a%ef%b8%8f/
None of the above happened.
Shaun Hall made the whole thing up
His adoptive father Philip Hall had already told the police Shaun Hall had not been with them that Sunday and Shaun Hall’s then girlfriend Leigh had also confirmed Shaun Hall had remained home with her.
There was also no evidence of Lynne Hall having telephoned Shaun Hall that evening.
Why did Corinne Mitchell choose to lie about her son Shane Mitchell being at home that evening?
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Scammer Sandra Lean refers to a question asked by Derek at around 56:05 in the above video
Derek:
I wonder if the jury feel as duped as other members of the public that have changed their views when presented with the hard facts
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Scammer Sandra Lean:
That, that must be very very difficult for any of them who do, because, while we have, while we have, I suppose the liberty to change our mind and to say you know ‘I had that lad guilty for so long’ we don’t have the responsibility of having put him where’s he’s been for the last 17 years and I think for, for jurors that must be one helluva burden, to, to have been on that jury, maybe to have gone with a guilty verdict to now be going ‘I don’t know if that was the right way to go’. It must be awful for them and I think again we, we need to look at the damage that these sorts of cases do to jurors as well because they’ve got to live with the result of what they did on the basis of what they thought was the truth. To find out years later that it wasn’t the truth, or it wasn’t all of the truth, or a lot of it was just made up rubbish
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“Truth will out”
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Scammer Sandra Lean at approx 51:46 during the above video
Lou:
None of it fits or makes sense never mind beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s madness, they all know it and that’s why they have tried to ignore it and won’t release info
Scammer Sandra Lean:
Yeah, Erm It doesn’t make sense eh eh I guess it was never meant to make sense, it, it was cobbled together as a compelling narrative that wasn’t ever really supposed to be picked apart in this way
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What is Derek making of the fact you lied to him Sandra?
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Sandra Lean 13th June 2019
In mid 2014, I took a break from the case after 11 years solid involvement. 18 months later, at the beginning of 2016, I became officially involved again and have been ever since. I had continued to work privately on the case during the 18 months "break," just not at the same level or with the same public exposure.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451892.html#msg451892
Wasn’t this when you had a note put through your door telling you that power of attorney had been removed with immediate effect Sandra Lean?
And didn’t you say it was on one of your daughters birthdays that this note was put through your door?
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Sandra Lean - 17th June 2019
The guy on the pushbike didn't mention seeing the moped, but they had that guy so harassed, he didn't know if he was coming or going - he actually said on the stand, "They were making me feel like I was a suspect." In terms of the time he cycled up the path, according to police timings, it was between 5pm and 10 past, but that was on the basis of a route they pushed him to agree he'd cycled. Like AB, he told them the routes he normally cycled and that he couldn't be sure which one he cycled that evening, so they chose the one that fitted the timing they needed.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451949.html#msg451949
Leonard Kelly contacted the police at around 10am ish on the 1st July 2003, as soon as he heard the news that a body had been found on Roans Dyke path
The police did not fit the route or the timings of Leonard Kelly’s evidence to suit their theory Sandra
There were other witnesses who gave evidence during the trial which backed up Leonard Kelly’s evidence - as the trial transcripts will eventually demonstrate
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Sandra Lean -
Either [Name removed] or [Name removed] jnr said there was a yellow pushbike against the railings at the back of the school, at the top of the path. The bike (and its owner) were never traced and the bike didn't fit any know descriptions of bikes belonging to anyone connected to the investigation. Was there a bike, or did they just make that up?
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451949.html#msg451949
What happened to killer Luke Mitchell’s other bike Sandra?
And what was said during the trial about this bike?
Sandra Lean
In their earliest statements, JF and GD "volunteered" stories about Luke and various pushbikes. An account attributed to [Name removed] spoke of Luke swapping one bike for another. GD tried to throw Luke and JF under the bus by claiming JF had stolen a bike, and then swapped it with Luke for one of Luke's bikes.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386893.html#msg386893
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Sandra Lean
Now, there's someone on youtube claiming Luke was still at home, cooking dinner, when he called Alan Ovens at 17.40, meaning he would have to have spent over an hour and a quarter cooking pies in the oven, by which time they'd have been burnt to a crisp!!!
I see this often - a large influx of misleading posting, using known timings but attributing them to other events to cause confusion, changing details from one known event and claiming it belongs to another and so on. I used to try to correct every example - not any more - I'd never have time to do anything else.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg452006.html#msg452006
Did you mean like fraudster Scott Forbes does Sandra?
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Sandra Lean - 5th April 2019
I was asked if there was anything (other than his mum and brother's testimony) to support Luke's alibi and I said, "to a degree." The timings of the calls made and received on the landline, when they were both out, support his alibi that he was at home prior to 5.15pm (the police suggested at one point that he hadn't gone home from school at all that day). It also makes the claim that it was Luke who was at the Easthouses end of the path much less credible because of the timing.
The phone line was busy from 4.50 - 5.05 (approx) because when Shane came in from work, he went straight upstairs to use the internet - he didn't see Luke at that point because Luke was in the kitchen. He did see Luke when he came down for his tea at 5.15pm when his mum came in.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451521.html#msg451521
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Zero calls made from the Mitchell’s landline between 4:01pm - 9:57pm (production number 202)
Shane Mitchell couldn’t have went down for food at 5:15pm because internet session didn’t finish until 5:16pm
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Sandra Lean - 5th April 2019
I was asked if there was anything (other than his mum and brother's testimony) to support Luke's alibi and I said, "to a degree." The timings of the calls made and received on the landline, when they were both out, support his alibi that he was at home prior to 5.15pm (the police suggested at one point that he hadn't gone home from school at all that day). It also makes the claim that it was Luke who was at the Easthouses end of the path much less credible because of the timing.
The phone line was busy from 4.50 - 5.05 (approx) because when Shane came in from work, he went straight upstairs to use the internet - he didn't see Luke at that point because Luke was in the kitchen. He did see Luke when he came down for his tea at 5.15pm when his mum came in.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451521.html#msg451521
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Zero calls made from the Mitchell’s landline between 4:01pm - 9:57pm (production number 202)
Shane Mitchell couldn’t have went down for food at 5:15pm nevwusnehiw internet session didn’t finish until 5:16pm
Sandra Lean
3:30 - school finished
4.15 - Luke called his mother from the home landline to her work landline (his grandmother answered the call before passing it to Corinne, so there are two witnesses plus the phone logs).
4.25 - call from Shane's mobile to the home landline connected for just over a minute. Neither Luke nor Shane remembered this call initially - it wasn't until the phone logs showed it and Shane remembered he'd stopped at a friend's on the way home from work that they realised the call was Shane letting Luke know he might be late home for dinner.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451621.html#msg451621
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”Shane discusses the websites accessed - directly from the transcripts”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html?m=1
June 26th, 2019 - Jeremy Bamber Forum
Sandra Lean
And, before the inevitable comments about him "admitting" that he was masturbating, he didn't. I have the court transcripts - it was put to him that he might have been "doing something else" whilst looking at the images ... Shane agreed that he "may have been" - that's it. We now, know, of course, that the "pornographic images" were almost certainly pop-ups, on screen for a few seconds, so he wasn't "watching porn" as has been claimed for all these years".
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Scammer Sandra Lean made the above statement on 6th June 2019 not the 26th
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451814.html#msg451814
Sandra Lean - 6th June 2019
Which is exactly why the police refused to accept the statements of the burnt pies. Looking back at the interviews, it's clear that, from the moment the Family Liaison officer stepped foot inside the Mitchell house, she was there to destroy Luke's alibi. She was telling Shane to "picture" things in his head just a few days after the murder - if that's not a blatant attempt to influence recall, I don't know what is. The trauma of the police treatment of Shane (in particular the interrogation on 14th April 2004) would have been enough to break any man - a point DF made very strongly at appeal. His treatment on the stand compounded that trauma - right up to the point where they thrust pictures of Jodi's naked, mutilated body in front of him (without warning) Shane was very clear that he did see Luke that evening, but the police wouldn't accept his statements and kept "putting words in his mouth." After the shock of the photographs, he was forced to carry on giving evidence - any psychologist will tell you that a witness will become extremely manipulable immediately after such a shock because they can't think straight.
It is utterly disgusting that this sort of treatment is allowed. Having caused such shock and distress, the prosecution QC moved straight onto questions about masturbating to pornographic images on the internet - can you imagine trying to make any sense of that in those circumstances?
And, before the inevitable comments about him "admitting" that he was masturbating, he didn't. I have the court transcripts - it was put to him that he might have been "doing something else" whilst looking at the images ... Shane agreed that he "may have been" - that's it. We now, know, of course, that the "pornographic images" were almost certainly pop-ups, on screen for a few seconds, so he wasn't "watching porn" as has been claimed for all these years.
That said, is it any surprise that Shane just wanted to disappear and have the whole thing go away? It's not about believing Luke to be guilty, it's about self-preservation - Shane's life still had to go on out here after such intense media coverage and such personal trauma and humiliation.
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Shane amd Philip Mitchell have nothing to do with killer Luke Mitchell!
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
Wow, damning stuff.
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Why have the police wasted time, money and resources on this raging fantasist?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11251280/lynda-spence-colin-coats-dig-argyll/
https://www.lawscot.org.uk/for-the-public/client-protection/reportingconcerns/
Fraudster Scott Forbes has form for inserting himself into police investigations, didn’t they learn after his nonsense regarding killer Luke Mitchell?
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Lewis Legal Crime &Criminal Defence Investigations
@Michael82986852
1/2. I wrote to LM asking if I could visit him on a legal visit in prison and he was advised by those "supporting him" to ignore my request.
FBI were asked to profile the killer of [Name removed]. The reply highly unlikely LM. This document never disclosed to a defence or jury.
9:39 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Lewis Legal Crime &Criminal Defence Investigations
@Michael82986852
2/2 That in itself is a gross breach of CPIA 1996 S.3. That alone IS new fresh evidence for an appeal
@CCRC
Because, had a jury read that evidence, their finding of guilt could well have been different.
LM "supporters/advisers, have that on me and put it in the next book. 😡
9:44 PM · Nov 12, 2023
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
I don't understand why that would happen 🤨
11:35 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Lewis Legal Crime &Criminal Defence Investigations
@Michael82986852
I've a good idea.
11:43 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Lewis Legal Crime &Criminal Defence Investigations
@Michael82986852
Too many egos. And books to be written.
11:48 PM · Nov 12, 2023
Scammer Michael Thomas Naughton of Lewis Legal & False Allegations Forensics Ltd (FAFL) AKA Ciaran Quinn & Sean Michael Brown
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/17/michael-naughton-of-lewis-legal-false-allegations-forensics-ltd/
Lewis Legal Crime &Criminal Defence Investigations
@Michael82986852
Theres a small group of people who decide who gets access to Luke.
This shouldn't be about personal gain or glory seeking.
If someone within the industry with a specialist skill offers services probono, then you snatch off their hand off, unless there's a reason why you don't.
10:57 PM · Nov 12, 2023
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OlOJGurmdVM
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Scott Forbes "Anybody whose read this case who is intelligent or from an educated background all know Luke Mitchell did not kill Jodi Jones" 👇
youtube.com
Episode 11 - Scott Forbes
"Decoding the Luke Mitchell Case: Insights from Legal Expert Scott ForbesEmbark on a compelling exploration of the Luke Mitchell case with seasoned legal exp...
12:33 AM · Nov 13, 2023
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https://www.lawscot.org.uk/for-the-public/client-protection/reportingconcerns/
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catmu 🐱🐈🐈⬛🏴🏴🏴
@suzyhal35224037
Scott Forbes "Anybody whose read this case who is intelligent or from an educated background all know Luke Mitchell did not kill Jodi Jones" 👇
youtube.com
Episode 11 - Scott Forbes
"Decoding the Luke Mitchell Case: Insights from Legal Expert Scott ForbesEmbark on a compelling exploration of the Luke Mitchell case with seasoned legal exp...
12:33 AM · Nov 13, 2023
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https://www.lawscot.org.uk/for-the-public/client-protection/reportingconcerns/
Sean Toal a convicted murderer claiming fantasist and fraudster Scott Forbes to be a “legal expert”
Does your probation officer know what you are up to Sean?
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Sharon Robertson
Freemasons? ask them if they are one. Bet they say they won’t answer or that they are. They don’t say no if they are tho. 2 out of 3 police officers in Britain wouldn’t answer if they are in a survey refused the question. The white n black checks around the police hat under the crown is the Freemason badge. High up in every establishment no wonder places are. corrupted.
They could get Donald Findlay KC along as guest speaker seeing as he's familiar in the Lodge. Then possibly a Ouija board link-up with Mia (tracker dog) and LM's departed prison uncle Peter (Tobin). All donations to SL's wine fund.
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Why have the police wasted time, money and resources on this raging fantasist?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11251280/lynda-spence-colin-coats-dig-argyll/
Fraudster Scott Forbes has form for inserting himself into police investigations, didn’t they learn after his nonsense regarding killer Luke Mitchell?
Douglas Walker for the Scottish Sun stated 22nd September 2022;
”Legal investigator Scott Forbes led a team to the first site at Tarsan Dam last month.
He said: “It’s been a lengthy investigation which has included hundreds of hours of consultation with Coats.
“The searches have been instructed by a prom Glasgow lawyer on behalf of a retired Edinburgh businessman who funded the project but wishes to stay anonymous.
https://www.lawscot.org.uk/for-the-public/client-protection/reportingconcerns/
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
“I was not prepared for what I discovered upon reading the first sections of transcripts. There were several pieces of information that I had not been aware of - some that contradicted what we had been told and that which is written in the book
Publish the transcripts in full without redacting names
This testimony was heard during a PUBLIC trial - ergo OPEN to the public
The media did not report each and every word stated throughout the trial - which is why each and every one of these transcripts should be available for the public to read
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
“Anyone who posted misinformation about the case, had to be corrected by admins and moderators, and there was a real emphasis on the idea that Luke's conviction had been based on twisted truths and the fact that a large amount of evidence had been with-held from the defence.
In reality the “misinformation” came from the TV show - which was based on scammer Sandra Lean and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s narrative
When you read more transcripts, you will be able to start seeing the reality of events, as opposed to the one manufactured by the killer and fraudster Sandra Lean
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
“I eventually left the admin team due to witnessing some disturbing treatment of other team members by other admins. Anyone who questioned the behavior of those at the top was subsequently cast out and usually blocked. Six admins/moderators left (some were removed), around the same time. I decided to continue the fight away from the groups.
Scammer Sandra Lean will have removed anyone she perceived would expose her bare faced lies and toxic and dysfunctional behaviour.
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
“When people have tried to share the information from the transcripts online, they have been blocked by the two big groups. Why?
Probably for the same reasons you were all groomed into having an “us V’s them” mentality?
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“A carefully constructed truth?…”
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https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/11/a-carefully-constructed-truth_12.html
“Is it fair to criticise the investigation for withholding information, while at the same time, being okay with information being withheld and ommited in other areas?
Scammer Sandra Lean has never been privy to the police investigation.
Sandra Lean has no credibility
The people involved in that TV show took a big risk - as will become clearer in time
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Also #LukeMitchell Was The Only One Recorded and The Tape Was Labelled 'Suspect'
Could L&B Police Have Done A Worst Job
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4:42 PM · Nov 13, 2023
Corinne Mitchell was lying - again
Killer Luke Mitchell made a 22 page written statement on the 1st July 2003, while his mother was sat with him.
There were no tapes involved
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”Shane discusses the websites accessed - directly from the transcripts”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/websites-and-porn.html?m=1
Sandra Lean - 6th June 2019
It is utterly disgusting that this sort of treatment is allowed. Having caused such shock and distress, the prosecution QC moved straight onto questions about masturbating to pornographic images on the internet - can you imagine trying to make any sense of that in those circumstances?
Alan Turnbull treated Shane Mitchell with kid gloves
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All donations to SL's wine fund.
It isn’t a fund raiser for killer Luke Mitchell!
It’s a fundraiser for Sandra Lean
It’s free to make an application to the Scottish criminal cases review commission
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Sandra Lean - 6th June 2019
It is utterly disgusting that this sort of treatment is allowed. Having caused such shock and distress, the prosecution QC moved straight onto questions about masturbating to pornographic images on the internet - can you imagine trying to make any sense of that in those circumstances?
Alan Turnbull treated Shane Mitchell with kid gloves
What is “utterly disgusting” Sandra Lean is how you have chosen to groom and exploit so many people with your nonsense - especially the vulnerable people
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Sandra Lean - 6th June 2019
It is utterly disgusting that this sort of treatment is allowed. Having caused such shock and distress, the prosecution QC moved straight onto questions about masturbating to pornographic images on the internet - can you imagine trying to make any sense of that in those circumstances?
Alan Turnbull treated Shane Mitchell with kid gloves
What is also “utterly disgusting” is the way you have chosen to dehumanise people with your garbage Sandra Lean!
Especially Jodi Jones🌻
“The portrayal of Jodi at trial was one dimensional and restricted to the few months, prior to her death..”
p.49
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You did not attend the trial Sandra! - You have portrayed Jodi Jones🌻 as “one dimensional”!
As someone else stated;
Jodi Jones🌻 does not ‘deserve to have her life, death and memory tarnished by people professing to be seeking truth whilst lying repeatedly. On the fake pretence that they are doing anything for her when their very actions clearly spell the opposite’
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Sandra Lean - 6th June 2019
It is utterly disgusting that this sort of treatment is allowed. Having caused such shock and distress, the prosecution QC moved straight onto questions about masturbating to pornographic images on the internet - can you imagine trying to make any sense of that in those circumstances?
Alan Turnbull treated Shane Mitchell with kid gloves
Your “treatment” of Judith, Janine and J oseph Jones has also been “utterly disgusting” Sandra Lean!
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This family do not, and have not deserved any of the abuse you have chosen to subject them all to for all these years!
That includes the Jones’s extended family!
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All donations to SL's wine fund.
Nicky Brendan
Who's ready for a party night?!
Let's celebrate Sandra being 60 years young!!
Lots of fun and games planned, with some very special surprises thrown in for good measure!
Tickets are available now!! 📣📣
Please pm one of your admin team to secure yours! Due to limited spaces, tickets will be issued on a first come basis.
The venue advised of their usual policy for no children under the age of 5 years, sorry folks!
Also, we have been advised to ensure we book taxis well in advance!
LET'S PARTY 🥳🥳🥂
@everyone
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Scammer Sandra Lean’s gaslighting appears to have reached a whole new level of desperate
10 people “liked” Nicola Brennan’s above Facebook post with 5 comments, 2 of which were by Nicola Brennan
£10 to attend someone’s birthday party
Taxi fare
Money for raffles & games, rosettes, hoodies, fridge magnets etc
Money for drinks
Cost for Air B&B
Who is going to attend this “party” in the lead up to Christmas, with the colder weather kicking in etc
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Michael Taylor - 20th September 2023
Another podcast from over the sea. 2 parter.
Valeria Martinelli
Bob Ruff specifically reinvestigates possible wrongful convictions, and his podcast does not follow a traditional format. It's a "crowd-sourced investigation and he usually reviews the initial police investigation section by section, analysing and sharing with his audience court records or discovery/defence files. He actively encourages listeners to pitch in. It may be an acquired taste but there's something about being able to be involved in helping out that makes it special. This case is turning out to be a challenge because of not being able to get hold of source documents (it will be mentioned in Friday's episode, which was recorded live last night). But he really wanted to bring more awareness to the case, and he will do his best, and he's extremely sympathetic to all victims (yes, including the wrongfully convicted). If anyone is interested in finding out more about him, there are a couple of TV documentaries available in the UK as well.
(Full disclaimer: I'm one of the moderators of the official Truth and Justice Facebook group)
Freddie Gren
Valeria Martinelli Thanks for popping on. We have the deepest respect for anyone wanting to find out more about the case and highlight the facts from reliable* sources. We have attempted to reach out to provide this but have come across obstacles.
Sandra Lean I'll leave this one for you.
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell, his mother Corinne and scammer Sandra Lean are NOT reliable sources!
Sandra Lean
Valeria Martinelli Unfortunately, case papers are extremely difficult to acquire in Scotland. Even once acquired (for example, I have access to all of the defence files in this case), sharing them in their entirely, for purposes such as this, is fraught with legal difficulty. I'm happy to help out with confirmations, answers to questions, etc, but would not be able to give Bob access to all of the case papers.
Valeria Martinelli
Sandra Lean thanks for responding. Have you been in contact with Bob, directly or through other members of this group? I believe he said in the live recording the other day that he'd heard that you'd listened to the first few episodes.
Incidentally, I'm vaguely aware of the difficulties in obtaining court documents here (I live in the UK ☺️) and I'd already suggested to Bob a wrongful conviction advocate to interview to explain the differences between the US and UK systems (this was for a general episode, not necessarily about Luke, but it would be useful)
Sandra Lean
Valeria Martinelli I haven't actually had time to listen to the full episodes yet - I'll try to do that this weekend. I did try to get contact details, but have been unsuccessful so far. I love that he's taken such an interest in the case, it would just be a shame if the impact was diluted through lack of opportunity to properly fact check
Sandra Lean
Sorry, Valeria, I just noticed he has a contact facility on his page - I'll give that a try!!
Valeria Martinelli
Sandra Lean I've sent you a DM by the way.
Trial transcripts for the entire trial can be requested by contacting the courts by emailing transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk
Your email should specify the following:
* the full name of the case = Luke Muir Mitchell dob 24th July 1988
* the court location where these proceedings were held = Edinburgh high court & Laigh hall
* the court proceedings that you wish to be transcribed including the dates of same = dates & the majority of the witness names can be found ⬇️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
* the reasons you are looking for the transcripts = ie; research purposes, public interest, transparency
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https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/supreme-courts/about-the-court-of-session/high-court/criminal-proceedings-transcripts
and can be published - in full - to the World Wide Web
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Sandra Lean - 15th June 2019
Someone commenting on the James English podcast asked whether Luke was on any anti-psychotic medication (he wasn't) and that got me thinking. How many people would think psychosis, or people close to the victim or her family, on medication to control psychosis, should have formed part of the police investigation?
Is it ok to say, well, we're focusing on this guy here, so we're not at all concerned about this guy over here with serious psychosis, on the highest dose of anti-psychotic medication (that's not working) whose mental health has been deteriorating in the months leading up to the murder? Especially if that was someone with direct access to the victim?
Just asking!!
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg451927.html#msg451927
No Sandra Lean!
You have been grooming, conning and exploiting people who did not sit through the trial and who did not hear all the evidence presented to the jury
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Nicky Brendan
Who's ready for a party night?!
Let's celebrate Sandra being 60 years young!!
Lots of fun and games planned, with some very special surprises thrown in for good measure!
Tickets are available now!! 📣📣
Please pm one of your admin team to secure yours! Due to limited spaces, tickets will be issued on a first come basis.
The venue advised of their usual policy for no children under the age of 5 years, sorry folks!
Also, we have been advised to ensure we book taxis well in advance!
LET'S PARTY 🥳🥳🥂
@everyone
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Scammer Sandra Lean’s gaslighting appears to have reached a whole new level of desperate
10 people “liked” Nicola Brennan’s above Facebook post with 5 comments, 2 of which were by Nicola Brennan
£10 to attend someone’s birthday party
Taxi fare
Money for raffles & games, rosettes, hoodies, fridge magnets etc
Money for drinks
Cost for Air B&B
Who is going to attend this “party” in the lead up to Christmas, with the colder weather kicking in etc
*&^^&
Is Luke Mitchell going to jump out of her cake? What a delightful surprise that would be @)(++(*
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Is Luke Mitchell going to jump out of her cake? What a delightful surprise that would be @)(++(*
Maybe it’ll be that fraudster Scott Forbes
THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Killer Luke Mitchell: Fraudster, Convicted Robber & Violent Con Scott C Forbes & His Alleged Threats To Solicitor Graham Mann (Part 275)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/14/killer-luke-mitchell-former-convicted-robber-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-his-alleged-threats-to-solicitor-graham-mann-part-275/
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Nicky Brendan
Who's ready for a party night?!
Let's celebrate Sandra being 60 years young!!
Lots of fun and games planned, with some very special surprises thrown in for good measure!
Tickets are available now!! 📣📣
Please pm one of your admin team to secure yours! Due to limited spaces, tickets will be issued on a first come basis.
The venue advised of their usual policy for no children under the age of 5 years, sorry folks!
Also, we have been advised to ensure we book taxis well in advance!
LET'S PARTY 🥳🥳🥂
@everyone
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Scammer Sandra Lean’s gaslighting appears to have reached a whole new level of desperate
10 people “liked” Nicola Brennan’s above Facebook post with 5 comments, 2 of which were by Nicola Brennan
£10 to attend someone’s birthday party
Taxi fare
Money for raffles & games, rosettes, hoodies, fridge magnets etc
Money for drinks
Cost for Air B&B
Who is going to attend this “party” in the lead up to Christmas, with the colder weather kicking in etc
*&^^&
Lunatics. There has already been some local concern raised on the suitability of the "party" taking place. Lean can't advertise it as a LM fundraiser so hence the 60th party, but who charges people to come to their birthday party?
Contacts below if anyone wants to contact the Dalkeith Lodge to enquire why they are hosting such an event.
https://www.ldk10.co.uk/contact_us.htm (https://www.ldk10.co.uk/contact_us.htm)
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I think this all goes to show what incredibly poor judges of character Lean’s supporters are imo.
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What “paper work” did Sandra Lean have in 2006 - referred to by Scott Forbes ⬇️
Killer Luke Mitchell: The Appeals To Credentials Fallacy & Innocence Fraud (Part 4)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
And who had power of attorney in 2006?
And why was Sandra Lean sharing “paper work” with Scott Forbes?
Also, did Scott Forbes give Sandra Lean access to confidential case papers in 2010?
Questions For Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter, Con Artist & Hypocrite Scott C Forbes (Part 1)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
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Lunatics. There has already been some local concern raised on the suitability of the "party" taking place. Lean can't advertise it as a LM fundraiser so hence the 60th party, but who charges people to come to their birthday party?
Contacts below if anyone wants to contact the Dalkeith Lodge to enquire why they are hosting such an event.
https://www.ldk10.co.uk/contact_us.htm (https://www.ldk10.co.uk/contact_us.htm)
Such a terrible idea.
I’d contact the Lodge myself if I were you!
Tut, tut !
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I think this all goes to show what incredibly poor judges of character Lean’s supporters are imo.
What about Stephen A Bennett and all those people involved in that TV show?
http://www.stephenabennett.com/about/index/
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Killer Luke Mitchell: Fraudster, Convicted Robber & Violent Con Scott C Forbes & His Alleged Threats To Solicitor Graham Mann (Part 275)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/14/killer-luke-mitchell-former-convicted-robber-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-his-alleged-threats-to-solicitor-graham-mann-part-275/
Remember what innocent Mark Kane stated when he posted on this forum as Mr Rabbit
Sandra Lean is a bully as well as a liar. I was one of the so called accused, not a shred of evidence against me except a statement from a man who has a severe criminal record that has since came to light. I knew all about it from the start I knew it would eventually catch up with him and Sandra Lean. Anytime I contacted her on the 'Luke Mitchell' is innocent website she got right onto her cronies and I would receive death threats over the phone, be visited n public places by he man with the long and hash criminal record who would make threats against and my family. He even went to my mothers door, she is her Sixties and disabled just to show me she could be got at! What type of human being does such a thing? He assaulted me in full view of half a dozen people after I had left a comment on Ms.Leans web pag. All of this I reported to the police. Just to set a couple of things straight I never had big cuts on my face the day after the murder I had a tiny scratch is all, he did not drive me to the police station the day after and he never said what amount of money we would get but he did say we would get money if we spoke to the press and get a wee holiday out of it. I never wanted anything to do with it it was sick, the man bullied me. He got a holiday out of it as the daily record accidentally used his name as the suspect he got just over a grand in damages. I have never received anything for the mental anguish myself and family have been through. I think he was merely a puppet in Sandra Leans games which have now came to a head but I'm still stuck with totally untrue accusations against me and haven't even received a sorry let alone anything else. I knew about his criminal past but I never mentioned it, I never spoke to reporters, which he wanted me to. He used to make jokes about it and him and him only ever brought it up as you know it was nearly 4 years before he came forward after a falling out between us, the police didn't take him serious and he gave a high court statement Han is all lies and I have many witness that can back that up. He bullied me after he had went to the police, trying to keep me in line and watch who I spoke to but I just didn't want anything to do with it god I wasn't even sure he was telling the truth about talking to the police cause like I said he used to make jokes about it. If they haughty they were right then how come whenever I questioned Sandra lean she would get right on to him to go and do her dirty work which was harass me. I have a load of witness to prove everything he said is a lie that's why I was never worried. I just think it's shocking that a man can take half truths, 3rd hand stories and just lies then go to the police with this rubbish and before you know it my name is on the 6 o'clock news, in newspapers giving totally false information about me and iv never received any type of closure or apology or anything from the people involved. Maybe karma has just taken it's time he's been exposed for the violent criminal who done jail for armed robbery and Sandra Lean, not for the first time, is wrong. I went through hell and back because of them but I'm not going to waste my life looking for revenge I knew in time it would all come out. Here's to the innocent among us, don't let the b........s grind you down.
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What about Stephen A Bennett and all those people involved in that TV show?
http://www.stephenabennett.com/about/index/
I wonder if Jack & Victor the disgraced Ch.5 ex-cops will be at the party, or any of Lean's fellow leading criminologists that she's worked with over the years?
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Allegations made by Scott Forbes re: Jim Kelly (reproduced for evidential, educational & research purposes only)
“Solicitor Jim Kelly said that the family’s lawyer, Nigel Beaumont, should have strongly advised against it, but he was aware that when the family looked for advice, Nigel was often inebriated and incapable. He would call up the Mitchell's late at night after drinking, talking nonsense. He was known to tell some of Edinburgh's criminals that Mitchell was 100% innocent while telling others that Luke Mitchell was a “duplicitous little b........”.
Yet Sandra Lean said Corinne Mitchell had issues with alcohol?
“Around 2011, when we were looking into the case for a fresh appeal, we were contacted by a solicitor who had worked on the case, Jim Kelly. Graham Mann and I met Kelly at a basement cafe in Carlton Place in Glasgow. I admired his honesty when he said he had been like others and had put his nose in the trough and had been part of an “experiment” with dogs at the locus. He went on to describe how himself, a solicitor from Beaumont and Co., Donald Findlay QC, Findlay’s partner Jane Farquharson, and another junior counsel, staged a reconstruction with dogs of all breeds, to see how they would react. This was all to be filmed. Mr Kelly stated, “the prosecution’s case was that Mitchell must have committed the murder because he found the body, even though he argued that he had been taken there by his dog”. Mr Kelly was involved in this reconstruction, as he supplied some the working dogs
“The Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal has since struck Jim Kelly’s name from the Roll of Solicitors in Scotland for unrelated professional misconduct complaints.
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Killer Luke Mitchell: Fraudster, Convicted Robber & Violent Con Scott C Forbes & His Alleged Threats To Solicitor Graham Mann (Part 275)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/14/killer-luke-mitchell-former-convicted-robber-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-his-alleged-threats-to-solicitor-graham-mann-part-275/
Questions For Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter, Con Artist & Hypocrite Scott C Forbes (Part 1)
“What MOJO’s annual report did not mention is that it was around the time Scott Forbes was apparently “working 3 days per week” with MOJO and/or Graham Mann solicitors, when scammer Sandra Lean claimed she had obtained “a key” to “an office” where she said she was able to gain access to Jodi Jones killers case files – which she had not seen before.
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
MOJO secured a 2 year supervised traineeship for Scott Forbes with Graham Mann solicitors.
In their annual report MOJO stated:
“Paul and Scott have been a huge asset to the Organisation and in taking the
Projects aims and objectives forward.”
Were MOJO aware of Scott Forbes behaviour?
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Why did killer Luke Mitchell choose Scott Forbes, who has form for making “false statements”?
Could write a series of books on Scott Forbes “false statements”
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
What did you know about this Sandra Lean?
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
Tell us about that key to that office you spoke about Sandra Lean
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Questions For Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter, Con Artist & Hypocrite Scott C Forbes (Part 1)
“What MOJO’s annual report did not mention is that it was around the time Scott Forbes was apparently “working 3 days per week” with MOJO and/or Graham Mann solicitors, when scammer Sandra Lean claimed she had obtained “a key” to “an office” where she said she was able to gain access to Jodi Jones killers case files – which she had not seen before.
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
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Such a terrible idea.
I’d contact the Lodge myself if I were you!
Tut, tut !
I hadn't got round to it but looks like quite a few people have as the party has now been cancelled due to dishonest intent and possible for conflict at the venue. Did anyone really think LM's chief campaigner could host an event in Dalkeith.
A fabulous show of defiance and narcissism from Lean almost in tears on YouTube denying her the right to celebrate her birthday as an "old lady of 60". Why not just go to a pub instead of making it about me me me and charging people to come to your party.
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Questions For Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter, Con Artist & Hypocrite Scott C Forbes (Part 1)
“What MOJO’s annual report did not mention is that it was around the time Scott Forbes was apparently “working 3 days per week” with MOJO and/or Graham Mann solicitors, when scammer Sandra Lean claimed she had obtained “a key” to “an office” where she said she was able to gain access to Jodi Jones killers case files – which she had not seen before.
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/
Tell us about that key to that office you spoke about Sandra Lean
Who’s office were you rifling around in going through confidential case files back in 2010 Sandra Lean?
Text message from Scott Forbes to solicitor Graham Mann:
“Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/14/killer-luke-mitchell-former-convicted-robber-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-his-alleged-threats-to-solicitor-graham-mann-part-275/
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I hadn't got round to it but looks like quite a few people have as the party has now been cancelled due to dishonest intent and possible for conflict at the venue. Did anyone really think LM's chief campaigner could host an event in Dalkeith.
A fabulous show of defiance and narcissism from Lean almost in tears on YouTube denying her the right to celebrate her birthday as an "old lady of 60". Why not just go to a pub instead of making it about me me me and charging people to come to your party.
Really? I haven’t watched her video. You’d have thought she’d have enough money to pay for her party herself, wouldn’t you….what with all the money she’s saved living rent free in your head for all these years.
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669 views and counting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean)
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669 views and counting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean)
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669 views and counting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean)
You have nothing of substance and are making a lot of noise about absolutely nothing Sandra Lean
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
How many injunctions have been made against Scott C Forbes?
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669 views and counting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean)
188 views and counting https://youtu.be/MLjcV2ZvZz4?si=OqUXitfC6fk-FiGX
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669 views and counting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz1_PjwVOBE&ab_channel=DrSandraLean)
Patricia Gray has asked scammer Sandra Lean if M15 phoned her and disguised their voice 🙄
Telephone records will no doubt demonstrate Sandra Lean received no phone call and she has again concocted yet another story
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Patricia Gray has asked scammer Sandra Lean if M15 phoned her and disguised their voice 🙄
Telephone records will no doubt demonstrate Sandra Lean received no phone call and she has again concocted yet another story
I believe that you’ve got form for that sort of thing.
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I believe that you’ve got form for that sort of thing.
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THREATS PROBE LAWYER IS CONVICTED ROBBER - 29th April 2012 by Russell Findlay
“A lawyer probed by police over threats made to his boss has been revealed as a violent ex con who was jailed for robbery.
Scott Forbes, 46, is accused of sending menacing texts to Graham Mann, 43.
After police were called in it emerged that Forbes has previous convictions for robbery, assault and possessing an offensive weapon.
Stirling University graduate Forbes was a trainee with Mann Solicitors but Mann refused to sign off the first year of his two year traineeship.
A series of texts to Mann's mobile from several numbers followed that decision.
One stated that "ruin would be met with ruin" and described Mann's legal colleague Jim Kelly as "your fat partner".
Another thought to be a reference to the refusal to sign off Forbes's first year read: "Now for the last time, shut the f*** up and move on and you have until next week to do the right thing."
Mann reported the alleged threats to Central Scotland Police, who are investigating.
Meanwhile, Kelly has raised a civil action against Forbes at Stirling Sheriff Court.
Sheriff William Gilchrist granted an interim interdict which bans Forbes from contacting or threatening Kelly and making false statements about him.
The bust up led to revelations about Forbes's convictions.
They include a five year jail sentence, later reduced to 30 months, for robbery in 1992. Others included an assault and robbery conviction in 1989 and possession of an offensive weapon in 2001.
A Law Society of Scotland committee voted by majority to grant his entrance certificate into the profession in 2010 despite his past.
A source said: "It's quite right that people should be given the chance of rehabilitation but is it really appropriate that a violent ex con should be considered an appropriate person to become a lawyer?
"Members of the public would have been completely oblivious about this man's criminality."
Another text received by Mann threatened that information would be passed to police, HM Revenue & Customs, the Scottish Legal Aid Board and Law Society.
It stated: "Listen you, will you not take a telling? Your emails copied, phone downloaded, files copied. Where you like us to start, police, taxman, legal aid or Society?"
The writ lodged by Kelly accused Forbes of having an "extensive network of criminal associates" and that he is "not a fit and proper person" to be a solicitor.
Forbes, who lives in Stirling, said: "Be careful what you print because Mr Kelly is prone to exaggeration."
Central Scotland Police said: "We are investigating allegations under the Communications Act involving a 46 year old man."
The Law Society said: "We have rigorous procedures which are applied to those entering the profession. Each case is decided on its own merits."
What were the investigations findings ?
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Allegations made by Scott Forbes re: Jim Kelly (reproduced for evidential, educational & research purposes only)
“Solicitor Jim Kelly said that the family’s lawyer, Nigel Beaumont, should have strongly advised against it, but he was aware that when the family looked for advice, Nigel was often inebriated and incapable. He would call up the Mitchell's late at night after drinking, talking nonsense. He was known to tell some of Edinburgh's criminals that Mitchell was 100% innocent while telling others that Luke Mitchell was a “duplicitous little b........”.
Yet Sandra Lean said Corinne Mitchell had issues with alcohol?
“Around 2011, when we were looking into the case for a fresh appeal, we were contacted by a solicitor who had worked on the case, Jim Kelly. Graham Mann and I met Kelly at a basement cafe in Carlton Place in Glasgow. I admired his honesty when he said he had been like others and had put his nose in the trough and had been part of an “experiment” with dogs at the locus. He went on to describe how himself, a solicitor from Beaumont and Co., Donald Findlay QC, Findlay’s partner Jane Farquharson, and another junior counsel, staged a reconstruction with dogs of all breeds, to see how they would react. This was all to be filmed. Mr Kelly stated, “the prosecution’s case was that Mitchell must have committed the murder because he found the body, even though he argued that he had been taken there by his dog”. Mr Kelly was involved in this reconstruction, as he supplied some the working dogs
“The Scottish Solicitors Discipline Tribunal has since struck Jim Kelly’s name from the Roll of Solicitors in Scotland for unrelated professional misconduct complaints.
Jim Kelly was struck off
More on Jim Kelly
“Luke Mitchell plots appeal over botched woodland reconstruction at Jodi Jones murder scene” by Russell Findlay dated 20th Feb 2011
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/luke-mitchell-plots-appeal-over-1095460
& Gillian Law also mentioned in the above article
Bankrupt shame of Mitchell's lawyer
Mitchell's lawyer Gillian Law's highflying career has stalled under a mountain of debt. she was made a partner in Edinburgh firm Beaumont & Co after impressing boss Nigel Beaumont.
But Law has since been declared bankrupt over undisclosed debts owed to the taxman. she was sequestrated at the city's sheriff court - the same place where she defends criminal clients.
As a bankrupt, law's practising certificate was automatically suspended by the law society of scotland. After lodging an appeal, she has been allowed to return to work but with restrictions. she can no longer be a partner in the firm and is only allowed to work as an assistant. She is also banned from handling clients' cash.
Despite her debt woes, Law still drives a VW Beetle convertible with private registration. she lives with advocate Michael Anderson in a £400,000 townhouse beside Duddingston Golf club in the capital.
The Law Society said: "She has had her practising certificate restricted and can only work as an assistant."
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Really? I haven’t watched her video. You’d have thought she’d have enough money to pay for her party herself, wouldn’t you….what with all the money she’s saved living rent free in your head for all these years.
Considering I joined the forum less than a year ago and you’ve been replying to most of my posts in that short period, I’m not sure you have a valid argument there. Have you seen Lean’s car crash of a video yet? It would be good to have a discussion over which parts you agree with.
In essence, she has organised a birthday party/fundraiser with supporters of a convicted killer in the town where he lived and murdered his victim. There was no support for this event from either family and can only classed as highly insensitive to the victim’s family to be having fun and games a mile down the road.
Does Lean not have any other friends she can celebrate her dotage with instead of weirdos from the internet?
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Considering I joined the forum less than a year ago and you’ve been replying to most of my posts in that short period, I’m not sure you have a valid argument there. Have you seen Lean’s car crash of a video yet? It would be good to have a discussion over which parts you agree with.
In essence, she has organised a birthday party/fundraiser with supporters of a convicted killer in the town where he lived and murdered his victim. There was no support for this event from either family and can only classed as highly insensitive to the victim’s family to be having fun and games a mile down the road.
Does Lean not have any other friends she can celebrate her dotage with instead of weirdos from the internet?
You may have joined this forum less than a year ago yet you claimed to have spoken to Mark Kane about the case and he died around five years ago.
“ I spoke to MK about that. He said he had a tiny scratch on his face that night and Forbes bullied him relentlessly if he didn't go along with his plan. ”
Looks like your interest in the case predates your membership here and, I would guess, your obsessive interest in Dr Lean predates your membership here too.
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You may have joined this forum less than a year ago yet you claimed to have spoken to Mark Kane about the case and he died around five years ago.
“ I spoke to MK about that. He said he had a tiny scratch on his face that night and Forbes bullied him relentlessly if he didn't go along with his plan. ”
Looks like your interest in the case predates your membership here and, I would guess, your obsessive interest in Dr Lean predates your membership here too.
The phrase “people in glass houses…” springs to mind here, seeing as how obsessively you have taken an interest in a certain other case and its victims for nigh on 16 years…
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You may have joined this forum less than a year ago yet you claimed to have spoken to Mark Kane about the case and he died around five years ago.
“ I spoke to MK about that. He said he had a tiny scratch on his face that night and Forbes bullied him relentlessly if he didn't go along with his plan. ”
Looks like your interest in the case predates your membership here and, I would guess, your obsessive interest in Dr Lean predates your membership here too.
The first part of your post is accurate, the rest is speculation. Of course I knew of the case since day one as I lived close by and knew MK through work. Remember SF had already appeared on BBC by this point accusing MK. I wasn't aware of the leading criminologist Lean until watching the Channel 5 joke documentary last year. I haven't even read her ficticious book but keep deflecting from the nonsense that she actually speaks instead of questioning why.
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The first part of your post is accurate, the rest is speculation. Of course I knew of the case since day one as I lived close by and knew MK through work. Remember SF had already appeared on BBC by this point accusing MK. I wasn't aware of the leading criminologist Lean until watching the Channel 5 joke documentary last year. I haven't even read her ficticious book but keep deflecting from the nonsense that she actually speaks instead of questioning why.
Mark Kane wasn’t named in the BBC documentary ‘for legal reasons’.
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Remember SF had already appeared on BBC by this point accusing MK. I wasn't aware of the leading criminologist Lean until watching the Channel 5 joke documentary last year.
According to Scott Forbes, Sandra Lean gave him the “paper work” in 2006 - the Devil’ Own didn’t air until May 2007
A copy of Forbes’ tweet can be viewed ⬇️
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
when he was using another one of his numerous social media accounts Ambedkar
Ambedkar
@Ambedka39148229
Replying to
@HiddenInjustice
What an imbecile, a despicable one at that. I'm reporting you to police for Stalking me. Get facts correct, I didn't give Dr Lean access to paper work on luke mitchell, Dr Lean gave me the paper work in 2006.....you absolute clown
3:36 PM · Sep 1, 2022·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/Ambedka39148229/status/1565347841312034816
Scammer Sandra Lean published her first innocence fraud book in 2007
Sandra Lean
No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html?PHPSESSID=pmphh88ms20mp9fph46gtl8aa2#msg456199
Sandra Lean ended her innocence fraud chapter on sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell with;
“More than a year after the guilty verdict, as the defence team were preparing to appeal, the existence of unidentified DNA was once again raised. Eventually, documents were released which clarified the situation – in spite of police claims during the initial investigation that there had been no DNA at the scene which had been unaccounted for, it now emerged that there had always been one DNA sample that remained unidentified.
Just prior to this book going to press, further witness statements, pointing to another, far more credible suspect were passed to the defence. The police claimed that these statements had not been followed up because the case was "closed."
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
The above appears to be from the 2008 version of Sandra Lean’s first innocence fraud book
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Well, so far, there are a few things that don't align with what has been said by Sandra Lean - a trusted source of information on the case (in her book and otherwise). That is somewhat concerning.
7:14 PM · Nov 17, 202
Roddy Mckendry
@RoddyMckendry
Is all this transcript stuff casting doubt on Lukes innocence? I'm quite concerned
12:02 AM · Nov 18, 2023
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Well, so far, there are a few things that don't align with what has been said by Sandra Lean - a trusted source of information on the case (in her book and otherwise). That is somewhat concerning.
7:14 PM · Nov 17, 2023
Scammer Sandra Lean is NOT a trusted source and never has been?
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TJ C
@TJC1419439
Well, so far, there are a few things that don't align with what has been said by Sandra Lean - a trusted source of information on the case (in her book and otherwise). That is somewhat concerning.
7:14 PM · Nov 17, 2023
Scammer Sandra Lean is NOT a trusted source and never has been?
Why didn’t scammer Sandra Lean revise or withdraw her first innocence fraud book “No Smoke” before publishing her second innocence fraud book?
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Freddie Gren Admin Group expert Aka Gemma Chapman
Steph Donald to put it simply, legal actions are not free.
Yes there is a specific target - Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones. The end goal is getting this case back in front of a court. That takes many independent experts in their fields, testing, countless administrative tasks, none of which are free. And not one expert other than Sandra Lean works for free on this case. All the volunteers can campaign until the cows come home but without funding this case goes nowhere. We are pushing hard to ensure that we will not be stopped by lack of funding. Remember the crown have unlimited funding, defense do not.
Krissy Porteous
Rosemary McGuigan there will always be the minority, that bump their gums and will try n spoil things BUT it’s up to us! the glorious dreamteam and amazing faithful members to show that never wavering or faltering support that they/we always do and get this done! A 60th 🎉birthday bash for someone soooo deserving.
I have a feeling that any ‘mischief makers’ will fall at the first hurdle since I’m sure this venue have been strenuously warned about any trouble makers that have any ‘issues’ 😄
Bring on the party of the century!!! Whoop whoop 🙌
#partytoendallparties
#Youronly60once
#whoopwhoop🙌
Kath Green Seath
Krissy Porteous yip
Can't and won't be silenced,
Scotland's Bravest Woman
With LM's army standing at her side.
She so deserves this party 💪
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Killer Simon Hall: Brother Shaun Hall: Innocence Fraud, Donations To Keep Website Running, More Confessions, Acting Out Of Character & “Just Remember The Truth Always Comes Out In The End”- Part 11a
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/06/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-11b%ef%b8%8f/
Murdeer Sean Toal’s mother left a message for murderer Simon Hall “who raped an old woman” (Scott C Forbes) as can be read in the above
Carol Toal also left a message for murderer Adrian Prout as can be seen in the below
The deluded mother of the murderer of Paul Gerard “PG” McGilvray is also referred to in the following;
Killer Luke Mitchell: “Dangerous Clowns” & “Confident Ignorance” - Scammers Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes From “Murder In A Small Town” Propaganda TV Show (Part 5)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
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Why didn’t scammer Sandra Lean revise or withdraw her first innocence fraud book “No Smoke” before publishing her second innocence fraud book?
Killer Luke Mitchell: “Dangerous Clowns” & “Confident Ignorance” - Scammers Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes From “Murder In A Small Town” Propaganda TV Show (Part 5)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-5/
Scammer Sandra Lean - on or just after 23rd May 2021;
“The first book was withdrawn to correct one typo where the wrong name was printed in error and to be updated because some of the people whose cases were featured have since died. But for some people, what they don't know, they'll just make up.
The first book was not withdrawn because it was full of lies and mistakes - I already explained that, but I guess you'll just carry on believing what you want to believe anyway.
If you watched this update, you'll have heard what I said about confident ignorance - thanks for demonstrating it for people.
I still talk about Susan May, Gordon Park and Simon Hall as well. I didn't say I stopped talking about them - I said that No Smoke was withdrawn to be UPDATED about their deaths. It really does help if you read my replies properly, otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time - including your own.
Sandra Lean’s first book was full of bare faced lies, some of which have been highlighted on this forum!
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According to Scott Forbes, Sandra Lean gave him the “paper work” in 2006 - the Devil’ Own didn’t air until May 2007
A copy of Forbes’ tweet can be viewed ⬇️
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/
when he was using another one of his numerous social media accounts Ambedkar
Scammer Sandra Lean published her first innocence fraud book in 2007
Sandra Lean
No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.msg456199.html?PHPSESSID=pmphh88ms20mp9fph46gtl8aa2#msg456199
Sandra Lean ended her innocence fraud chapter on sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell with;
“More than a year after the guilty verdict, as the defence team were preparing to appeal, the existence of unidentified DNA was once again raised. Eventually, documents were released which clarified the situation – in spite of police claims during the initial investigation that there had been no DNA at the scene which had been unaccounted for, it now emerged that there had always been one DNA sample that remained unidentified.
Just prior to this book going to press, further witness statements, pointing to another, far more credible suspect were passed to the defence. The police claimed that these statements had not been followed up because the case was "closed."
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/08/copy-of-chapter-from-sandra-leans-1st-discredited-smoke-mirrors-book-promoting-the-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-of-actually-factually-guilty-killer-luke-mitchell/
The above appears to be from the 2008 version of Sandra Lean’s first innocence fraud book
Killer Luke Mitchell: Scott C Forbes & Those ‘30 Boxes (Part 6)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-6/
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Trial transcripts for the entire trial can be requested by contacting the courts by emailing transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk
Your email should specify the following:
* the full name of the case = Luke Muir Mitchell dob 24th July 1988
* the court location where these proceedings were held = Edinburgh high court & Laigh hall
* the court proceedings that you wish to be transcribed including the dates of same = dates & the majority of the witness names can be found ⬇️ http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
* the reasons you are looking for the transcripts = ie; research purposes, public interest, transparency
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https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/supreme-courts/about-the-court-of-session/high-court/criminal-proceedings-transcripts
and can be published - in full - to the World Wide Web
Once trial transcripts have been transcribed it should cost much less for the already transcribed transcripts to be purchased
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Paulpeter Mck
Everyone in in any Luke Mitchell fb group apparently we are not making friends with the people we meet @
Pop up Protest in Support of Luke Mitchell according to admin from a certain group.
I don’t know about them but I make friends. We are not just here for you we’re here for Luke and Jodi to get Justice.
Paulpeter Mck
Kareen Kenny well apparently they’re not friends which I don’t think I’ve made lots of friends great people
Andrew Robertson
Paulpeter Mck Your definitely not alone mate
Next steps in the campaign planning
1. Learn how to shake the bucket better for Sandra.
2. Be more convincing with raffle tickets that you just happen to have.
3. Avoid looking glaikit standing holding a t-shirt next to Sandra.
4. Start a focus group on how to push away as many supporters as possible with your...I failed charm school manners (but passed how to be a mental stalker school with straight A’s)
5. Tell everyone only what they say and do matters.
6. Overcompensate for the inadequacies at not being successful in Luke’s campaign (seems more like fail to plan.......).
Paulpeter Mck
I don’t see how this is hurting the campaign people deserve the truth in Luke’s case the people helping with the campaign deserve to know what’s going on.
I’m not alone in this thought process.
Paulpeter Mck
Karen McGuire they barred me from the 2 groups connected to the same folk. I have done nothing wrong on the page this is purely personal.
Paulpeter Mck
Karen McGuire that’s what I feel. It’s like they’re holding back my stuff because they have nothing of their own. Giving out rubbish excuses then ban you for speaking up. Awful so it is.
EGOS ARE A BIG PART OF IT I BELIEVE.
Caroline Dochi
Karen McGuire I no longer comment ! Oh asked where protest was yesterday x iam an observer and simply like or love comments ! X was DISGUSTED to learn a certain person is bACK in the follow and was at EDINBURGH PROTEST WHEN we were there x a simply sorry for the vile messages she sent me would be a start ! Reached out to a few others to Try and sort this but no JOY ! And was told by a certain other no one cared about me moaning so sadly I feel disgusted that this is happening!!! This RENT A GOB WILL see her!!!
Caroline Dochi
Karen McGuire oh soz I forgot I wasnt the only person this lady HURT and was VILE with x x sadly why others groups were made x x
Paulpeter Mck
No2 shake the bucket for Luke not Sandra
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“NEW TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS”
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https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/new-trial-transcripts.html
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‘BIRTHDAY BASH' FUNDRAISING
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https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/birthday-bash-fundraising.html
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“AVAILABILITY OF TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS - THE RECENT TIMELINE”
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https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
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“NEW TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS”
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https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/new-trial-transcripts.html
The search party don’t come across particularly well or as particularly honest witnesses.
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It turns out that the members of the search party changed what they said in their initial statements.* Some on this forum said otherwise. I am looking forward to hearing the responses of these forum members to the new information.
EDT
*[Name removed] argued that perhaps her words were not taken down correctly, etc. SK claimed to have forgotten a number of things.
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Luke Mitchell's 'cult followers' fundraiser banned one mile from where body of Jodi Jones found
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/birthday-event-planned-evil-killer-31479310#:~:text=Dalkeith%20Masonic%20Hall.-,The%20event%20next%20month%20was%20billed%20as%20a%20“birthday%20party,safety%20of%20those%20taking%20part.
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The search party don’t come across particularly well or as particularly honest witnesses.
I got so angry reading some of the transcripts, I understand they think Luke is guilty and are doing all they can to make sure he is found guilty by the courts but imo the blatant lies ‘I can’t remember’ and statements clearly changed to suit the prosecution is outrageous, if Luke is found innocent I hope they can live with themselves as they would have helped get the real murderer off with their lies. Basically sorting the evidence to suit a guilty verdict and Janine is now a police officer??? Seriously! Clearly won’t having a problem fitting someone else up she thinks is guilty. Even if they are right and it was Luke the way they went about it is so wrong, no wonder people wonder if he is innocent, seems the family are part to blame for all the questions still being asked.
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It turns out that the members of the search party changed what they said in their initial statements.* Some on this forum said otherwise. I am looking forward to hearing the responses of these forum members to the new information.
EDT
*[Name removed] argued that perhaps her words were not taken down correctly, etc. SK claimed to have forgotten a number of things.
I really don’t buy Janine’s excuse for the difference in her initial statements and court testimony. Once a statement has been taken the statement is read by the witness and signed as a true reflection of their words. If there is anything that is incorrect or has been misinterpreted that is the time to correct the statement.
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I am looking forward to hearing the responses of these forum members to the new information.
Case is closed. That is the only response you deserve.
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I got so angry reading some of the transcripts, I understand they think Luke is guilty and are doing all they can to make sure he is found guilty by the courts but imo the blatant lies ‘I can’t remember’ and statements clearly changed to suit the prosecution is outrageous, if Luke is found innocent I hope they can live with themselves as they would have helped get the real murderer off with their lies. Basically sorting the evidence to suit a guilty verdict and Janine is now a police officer??? Seriously! Clearly won’t having a problem fitting someone else up she thinks is guilty. Even if they are right and it was Luke the way they went about it is so wrong, no wonder people wonder if he is innocent, seems the family are part to blame for all the questions still being asked.
Amazing how you ignore the transcripts regarding the jacket, that you have been bleating on about for years, come out from under your rock and start bleating on about statements *&^^&
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Case is closed. That is the only response you deserve.
The people who claimed that the prosecution's witnesses did not change their stories were shown to be wrong. The polite thing to do is to acknowledge one's error. The intellectually honest thing to do is to explain how one's view of the case changed. Neither of these two has happened so far.
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The people who claimed that the prosecution's witnesses did not change their stories were shown to be wrong. The polite thing to do is to acknowledge one's error. The intellectually honest thing to do is to explain how one's view of the case changed. Neither of these two has happened so far.
It has already been explained multiple times. But you have a closed mind, with fingers in one's ears, when it suits. & that mind has already decided that Mitchell is innocent. So your attempt of a gotta moment, may give the hardliner's egos a boost. But the fact of the matter is > case is closed.
P.S You should book your flight and get yourself to the fundraiser, I'm sure you will enjoy sitting amongst those housewives on their one night out a year jolly @)(++(*
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The search party don’t come across particularly well or as particularly honest witnesses.
I think AW did come across as genuine and accurate in her testimony. As for the other two, their testimonies read like a bit of a dog's dinner, though, in their defence, were relatively young and confronted by one of the most heinous and notorious murder cases ever. Going to court in any capacity is a particularly disagreeable experience for most people, so two people in their late teens who weren't recidivists/delinquents used to appearing in court frequently can surely be excused for dithering or being inconsistent in their evidence, especially given the high profile of the case and the enormity of the crime? I don't think they were colluding, conspiring or lying on the stand; they were, imo, overwhelmed and intimidated by appearing in a High Court (SK and JudJ even ran out of the courtroom screaming at certain points of the case, such was their trauma) for a brutal & savage murder case of a fourteen-year old girl who just happened to be one of the aforementioned witness's younger sister. And even if SK and JANJ were being slightly underhand when giving evidence or inconsistent, such was the strength of the evidence against LM that it didn't really matter. LM was/is, imo, guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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Amazing how you ignore the transcripts regarding the jacket, that you have been bleating on about for years, come out from under your rock and start bleating on about statements *&^^&
Regards the parka transcripts it’s only Corrines transcripts and not the actual witness transcripts. It come across to me Corrine is adamant Luke did not have a parka and her story never changed (unlike the 3 people who changed their statement then conveniently at time of trial could not remember the dog jumping up at the wall) If it was his father’s new partner, one of his best friends or someone close to him that saw him in a parka that would hold more weight for me therefore I still have reasonable doubt on the parka with the evidence to hand. Be good to see the transcripts from these witnesses also.
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The people who claimed that the prosecution's witnesses did not change their stories were shown to be wrong. The polite thing to do is to acknowledge one's error. The intellectually honest thing to do is to explain how one's view of the case changed. Neither of these two has happened so far.
Good to see what has been said being shown to be correct. Clearly exposing some of the lies in place by SL and co. Let us deal with the most obvious lie first and foremost. You appear to miss the obvious whilst focusing on changes?
That they all agreed with LM then changed their minds. - And here we see that they most certainly did not agree with him. There is nothing, zero showing from any statement where they were past the V break in the wall. That anything that had taken place happened before and up until that point. As stated many times, the dog could have been doing summersaults to the V break, it does not matter, it is not what LM claimed took place. So in effect, anything that they then altered/clarified around the dog had absolutely no bearing on the outcome, because it is not what LM claimed took place. His almost 60ft past the break, down to precisely 43ft and "parallel to" Where he had himself with SK, JaJ's and of course the dog. ------ All before that Jury.
What we also see here is that DF's focus was not using terms of alerting or matching to LM's account, but that he had the good sense out of them all to actually look into the woodland, not once but twice. First the Gino then the V break. The only one out of the 4 of them to take the notion to introduce the woodland into that search. But nothing of them being past the break. He asked of possibilities but nothing from their statements. So no memory from then lost to the present time.
The next lie, that the Jury did not get to hear what was said in first accounts - Yes they did. And we see clearly why it had no bearing upon that special knowledge, because it was only LM who made claims of any alert some distance past the V break. Next lie, that no one else was contacted, no checks made - Yes there were. That they did not know LM was there and him them - Yes they did. That they met at the top of the path, no we see again that they had met near to the top, near the Gino break.
Then we have leaving shortly after ----- 11pm. So we have LM around 10:50pm initiating a search whilst others were carrying out checks by phone. We have LM himself say he as on the path by 11pm, whilst the others were almost ready to leave. We have him alone a good time on that path prior to the others arriving. We have him go to the Gino break when they set off together, initiating the notion of that woodland beyond the wall.
Now the dog, the memory, the if I said that then that is what happened. What was the dog doing, what do dogs do? One on a lead attached to a harness. They pull, especially to the sides, wall etc. We have two clear points of the dog being at the wall from start to the V break, the Gino and the V. It's master has it on that lead. "seek and moving the dog forward"
So three breaks mind. The big break is off the lane prior to the start of the paths. No LM or dog in this 'forgetting' Then the Gino break, the canopy and the V break. 4 people and only 1 who made claim of his dog alerting to the body, some distance past that break in the wall. Think of all those discussion, debates, of him saying JaJ's and SK were with him, of only him returning to the break whilst they kept on walking down. People trying to guess, would they have been around 100ft past the break when he shouted out, and on it has went. To have people constantly focus upon dog and wall whilst manipulating around the rest - Lying?
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John Smythe:
“Untruths/lies are very easy to take apart. Once again, much like the previous article though the unnamed relative never bothers to list a single one of these untruths or lies.
Like scammer Sandra Lean’s numerous bare faced lies, including one of her recent ones, where she claimed to that fraudster Bob Ruff that the public cannot obtain the trial transcripts 🙄
The relative will no doubt know the facts of the case - that you and everyone else who has been duped by this scam aren’t yet aware of!
The daily record article was clear - releasing the trial transcripts will silence killer Luke Mitchell - and (my addition) it will also silence his toxic enablers!
If John Halley (who was charged with sex offences earlier this year) is John Smythe then no doubt he will know all about the innocence fraud grift
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Has anyone read this book?
Whatever you might or might not think about Sandra, the book gives a lot of detail, and I would recommend it.
Scammer Sandra Lean’s second innocence fraud book contains around 378 pages - some of these pages include maps and photos etc
Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony runs to nearly 400 pages alone
Transcript #1 10/01/05 – 19 pages
Transcript #2 12/01/05 – 137 pages
Transcript #3 13/01/05 – 251 pages
When Shane Mitchell had finished giving evidence on the 13th January 2005 his mother Corinne Mitchell began giving her evidence, therefore the 251 pages also includes pages relating to Corinne Mitchell’s testimony
The above pages do not include copies of productions, maps, or copies of original police witness statements etc
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Case is closed
The case is indeed closed
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Luke Mitchell's 'cult followers' fundraiser banned one mile from where body of Jodi Jones found
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/birthday-event-planned-evil-killer-31479310#:~:text=Dalkeith%20Masonic%20Hall.-,The%20event%20next%20month%20was%20billed%20as%20a%20“birthday%20party,safety%20of%20those%20taking%20part.
New venue is Salters Inn, Woodburn, Dalkeith on 9th Dec. $6(&
thesaltersinn@gmail.com
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Laura Hmrsly
Referring to the DR article, what exactly are the discrepancies between the transcripts and what we have been told? Im not sure what it is referring to
Freddie Gren aka Gemma Chapman
Laura Hmrsly That's a very simple one. Without the correct context, using the entire transcript to give context, they are portraying "discrepancies". This is outright lies.
In truth Sandra, in her professional capacity, is unable to release the full transcripts and these egotistical wannabes want to force Sandra's hand into releasing them. This would not only be illegal but highly unethical given the transcripts contain names of protected witnesses. We have been told nothing but truth. And more importantly releasing the transcripts does not further this campaign in any helpful way, this is an infantile tantrum of a few ex-supporters.
Ian and Fiona McKenzie
That’s put my mind at rest.
It is NOT “illegal” or “unethical” to publish the trial transcripts in their entirety without any redactions!
All witnesses gave evidence in OPEN court during a PUBLIC trial
The “infantile tantrum” referred to by Gemma Chapman is her own
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Sandra Lean
Jodi’s murderer continues to evade justice
The sadistic murderer of Jodi Jones🌻 was arrested on 14th April 2004
Following a lengthy trial he was found guilty of his murder on 21st January 2005
The trial transcripts show clearly how sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his mother Corinne and brother Shane Mitchell lied in an attempt to pervert the course of justice
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Freddie Gren aka Gemma Chapman
Laura Hmrsly That's a very simple one. Without the correct context, using the entire transcript to give context, they are portraying "discrepancies". This is outright lies.
In truth Sandra, in her professional capacity, is unable to release the full transcripts and these egotistical wannabes want to force Sandra's hand into releasing them. This would not only be illegal but highly unethical given the transcripts contain names of protected witnesses. We have been told nothing but truth. And more importantly releasing the transcripts does not further this campaign in any helpful way, this is an infantile tantrum of a few ex-supporters.
Apparently, according to Gemma Chapman, she gave evidence during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial
What date did Gemma Chapman claim she first met the killer?
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Freddie Gren aka Gemma Chapman
Laura Hmrsly That's a very simple one. Without the correct context, using the entire transcript to give context, they are portraying "discrepancies". This is outright lies.
In truth Sandra, in her professional capacity, is unable to release the full transcripts and these egotistical wannabes want to force Sandra's hand into releasing them. This would not only be illegal but highly unethical given the transcripts contain names of protected witnesses. We have been told nothing but truth. And more importantly releasing the transcripts does not further this campaign in any helpful way, this is an infantile tantrum of a few ex-supporters.
No Gemma Chapman these people have pointed out yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s bare faced lies!
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Shane Mitchell’s trial transcripts had already been transcribed prior to former supporters obtaining copies of them recently
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Shane Mitchell’s trial transcripts had already been transcribed prior to former supporters obtaining copies of them recently
So why didn’t scammer Sandra Lean refer to Mr Beveridge in her 2 innocence fraud books?
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Amazing how you ignore the transcripts regarding the jacket, that you have been bleating on about for years, come out from under your rock and start bleating on about statements *&^^&
(as I said some time ago) If the photograph of Luke's wearing a parka had not been published, it would add a small amount of evidentiary weight to their statements; but that is not what happened. Against whatever little probative value these statements have is the lack of a store receipt or credit card statement for the putative parka bought before the murder. Equally problematic for the prosecution's conjecture about a phantom parka is that it relies on a logburner that, despite its diminutive size and actual function, is able to consume a jacket and not leave any detritus. If the prosecution could have demonstrated such an occurrence, it would carry considerable weight. There are cases in which multiple eyewitnesses have been proven to be wrong; I found two in Borchard's book "Convicting the Innocent," and I am not even a quarter of the way through. Our memories are not TiVo, and the most likely explanation for these statements is that they are conflating the picture with other memories of Mr. Mitchell.
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And even if SK and JANJ were being slightly underhand when giving evidence or inconsistent, such was the strength of the evidence against LM that it didn't really matter. LM was/is, imo, guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
If each witness decides to be a little underhanded when giving his or her testimony, then we have a recipe for a wrongful conviction. A related phenomenon is that people are subconsciously influenced by extraneous information. Hasel and Kassin's paper "On the Presumption of Evidentiary Independence" is a good example.
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The next lie, that the Jury did not get to hear what was said in first accounts - Yes they did.
Whoa, I don't know of anyone who made the claim that the jury did not hear portions of the original statements. Here and at another discussion board I quoted Donald Findlay's cross examination of [Name removed] where he pointed out the differences in what was in the first account vs the testimony. Whether they had access to the complete accounts is a different question.
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.
One example of actual trial proceedings being signed off, is statedly certified:
"...in terms of Section 94(7) of the Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1995 that this transcript is a correct and complete transcript of part of the record..." etc.
It is dated 12 January, 2007.
Despite Sandra Lean's proclamations otherwise, have trial transcripts, only revealed now, in truth, been available to us all for 16 years and at no more than a copying/admin fee, working out to be approx .60p per page?
Yet, as we know, only recently, Sandra Lean still vehemently asserted that obtaining copies were impossible and even if, would cost circa £60,000.
See the true, factual background, in my 8 November blog, regarding same:
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
The, so far, acquired trial transcripts, several hundred pages already, are gradually appearing online and a sizable undertaking, especially having a responsibility to perhaps redact certain names.
These are costing hundreds of pounds, each time, for a small portion of the trial transcripts.
Think how much that money could have been better utilised by supporters, if only Sandra Lean had published the transcripts herself.
We are going to end up talking about a sizable, four figure sum.
A link to the new, imminent uploads, wil be posted here.
The transcripts do highlight significant, evidential material, which is at variance with Sandra Lean's published claims.
This will, entirely separately, be addressed shortly and a link posted here.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Oh watched the program and read the book say no more. Sandra knowingly lied about the transcripts for years, she has now been caught out. She is the one who has called her credibility into question that is what is fake. So go back to causing harm to the children of your pics.
3:22 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Oh the hate oozes out of you. I hope you feel better now
3:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth will set Luke free. Not lies. Why are the transcripts a dirty little secret? The reaction to these being released is very telling. You think that's hate? That is not even mildly annoyed. All that work the supporters have done and we are all treated with contempt by SL.
3:53 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
will the transcripts help Luke ? You're more interested in YOU, 'big bold Sharon has exposed a cult'. See if your pal Hamilton will do a DR spread, great headline
4:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Maybe you should open your eyes and shut your mouth. JH has had me blocked for years so go take a hike you muppet. You are just pissed off because your hounding of potentially innocent people has been called out. Nice work!!
4:30 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
That's the true Sharon right there, get it out girl #Exposed
4:33 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Nothing to expose, just like all your other posts.
4:36 PM · Nov 20, 2023
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Scammer Sandra Lean’s second innocence fraud book contains around 378 pages - some of these pages include maps and photos etc
Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony runs to nearly 400 pages alone
Transcript #1 10/01/05 – 19 pages
Transcript #2 12/01/05 – 137 pages
Transcript #3 13/01/05 – 251 pages
When Shane Mitchell had finished giving evidence on the 13th January 2005 his mother Corinne Mitchell began giving her evidence, therefore the 251 pages also includes pages relating to Corinne Mitchell’s testimony
The above pages do not include copies of productions, maps, or copies of original police witness statements etc
The total cost for trials transcripts of Shane Mitchell’s testimony is £222.50
Transcript #1 10/01/05 – 19 pages - £11.50
Transcript #2 12/01/05 – 137 pages - £70.50
Transcript #3 13/01/05 – 251 pages - £127.50
Search & Correspondence fee - £13
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Sandra Lean (27th June 2023)
Lynette Morrison Maria Shevlin Nicola Brennan Michelle Mulligan Heather Dempsey Carol Rice Mcmillan Kirsty Brown Biffy Mackay John Anderson Heather Brunt Caroline Ramsay Marie Milne Tracey Struthers Kareen Kenny
Can I just take this opportunity to thank very single one of you for the patient, compassionate and restrained manner in which you dealt with the obvious provocation of a couple of posters today. This is what it means to have free speech. I was concerned that there may be some negativity directed towards the original anonymous poster, from some who are in this group for all the wrong reasons - you guys took care of that situation spectacularly. It's such a weight off my mind - and the minds of those in the admin teams, across all the groups, who work so hard to keep everything factual and to protect genuine members from abuse - to know that you all were willing to jump in today and prevent an unfortunate situation escalating into something much worse. And it's an outstanding example of everyone standing together to do the right thing. Thank you, I applaud every one of you.
To the original anonymous poster, I apologise for the negative posters, but I hope you feel acknowledged and supported by all our genuine members. I can assure you, YOU did not cause any upset or unpleasantness here - I believe you did an enormously courageous thing in posting to highlight how common this type of abuse of prisoners is.
For these reasons, I'm asking the admin team NOT to remove this thread - I'd like it to remain here as testament to how reasonable, compassionate and committed our group members are.
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Jennifer Smith - Facebook (Around 17th March 2021)
This poor lad has been stitched up and I agree how can someone live with themselves for the last 17 yrs knowing they killed a young lass.
Sandra Lean
Jennifer Smith I don't think that's a fair or appropriate question. If someone has been hospitalised for mental health issues (and I have no idea who may or may not have been in relation to this case), then they are entitled to privacy while they receive treatment. I mean this as no criticism of you - I know people are just trying to make sense of it all, but this isn't something we should be discussing on social media this way. Thanks for understanding x
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Psychopathic murderers like Luke Mitchell don’t have the same range of emotions like people who are not psychopaths
There is nothing in the trial transcripts to suggest killer Luke Mitchell was “stitched up”
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What the trial transcripts are demonstrating to former supporters is that scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes are bare faced liars, as are Corinne Mitchell and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
“Transcript comparisons”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
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What the trial transcripts are demonstrating to former supporters is that scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes are bare faced liars, as are Corinne Mitchell and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
“Transcript comparisons”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
Corinne Mitchell confirmed during the trial that her sadistic murderer of a son Luke Mitchell was due to visit Kimberly Thomson in Kenmore and had made arrangements to stay with her for a week
”Luke had been due…. had been intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July to stay with C and Kimberley” ~ excerpt from Corinne Mitchell’s police witness statement
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a phantom parka
And here, ladies & gentlemen, is how one loses a debate. Pretend something did not exist. When there is evidence to the contrary.
I revert back to my last point > fingers in one's ears.
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Corinne Mitchell confirmed during the trial that her sadistic murderer of a son Luke Mitchell was due to visit Kimberly Thomson in Kenmore and had made arrangements to stay with her for a week
”Luke had been due…. had been intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July to stay with C and Kimberley” ~ excerpt from Corinne Mitchell’s police witness statement
Didn’t Craig Dobbie say he thought sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell told Jodi Jones about his visit to Kimberley Thomson’s at lunchtime that day
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Corinne Mitchell confirmed during the trial that her sadistic murderer of a son Luke Mitchell was due to visit Kimberly Thomson in Kenmore and had made arrangements to stay with her for a week
”Luke had been due…. had been intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July to stay with C and Kimberley” ~ excerpt from Corinne Mitchell’s police witness statement
Scammer Sandra Lean from her second innocence fraud book p.169
“None of the available evidence supported the claim that Luke was seeing another girl”
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Excerpts from the trial
Alan Turnbull: Was he supposed to be staying
Corinne Mitchell: Yes he was supposed to be staying at Kimberley’s
Alan Turnbull: For how long
Corinne Mitchell: I wasn’t sure, probably a week
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Oh watched the program and read the book say no more. Sandra knowingly lied about the transcripts for years, she has now been caught out. She is the one who has called her credibility into question that is what is fake. So go back to causing harm to the children of your pics.
3:22 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Oh the hate oozes out of you. I hope you feel better now
3:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth will set Luke free. Not lies. Why are the transcripts a dirty little secret? The reaction to these being released is very telling. You think that's hate? That is not even mildly annoyed. All that work the supporters have done and we are all treated with contempt by SL.
3:53 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
will the transcripts help Luke ? You're more interested in YOU, 'big bold Sharon has exposed a cult'. See if your pal Hamilton will do a DR spread, great headline
4:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Maybe you should open your eyes and shut your mouth. JH has had me blocked for years so go take a hike you muppet. You are just pissed off because your hounding of potentially innocent people has been called out. Nice work!!
4:30 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
That's the true Sharon right there, get it out girl #Exposed
4:33 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Nothing to expose, just like all your other posts.
4:36 PM · Nov 20, 2023
I'm shocked to read this. Sharon is correct. Lies won't help...
Heather names and shames and then another buffoon posts as gospel to get his moment in the spotlight. I thought this is the exact thing Sandra didn't want.
She doesn't do it, but supports others who do. Same thing surely?
None of this is helpful.
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”Luke had been due…. had been intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July to stay with C and Kimberley” ~ excerpt from Corinne Mitchell’s police witness statement
Excerpts from the trial
Alan Turnbull: Was he supposed to be staying
Corinne Mitchell: Yes he was supposed to be staying at Kimberley’s
Alan Turnbull: For how long
Corinne Mitchell: I wasn’t sure, probably a week
Charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean p.169
“The prosecution contended that Jodi may have found out at lunchtime on June 30th that Luke had another girlfriend and was planning to visit her the following week. Jodi, they suggested, set out that evening to confront Luke about the other girl.
The other girl, Kimberley Thomson, lived some 60 miles away. Luke met her the previous year when the family were on holiday and the two thirteen-year-olds had a “holiday romance.” They kept in touch by phone and met up again in the New Year period of 2003. Luke had not seen Kimberley since, although they still chatted on the phone. The claim that he was planning to visit her again in July 2003 was based on Corinne’s plan to holiday in the same place – a plan that had since been cancelled.
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.
One example of actual trial proceedings being signed off, is statedly certified:
"...in terms of Section 94(7) of the Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1995 that this transcript is a correct and complete transcript of part of the record..." etc.
It is dated 12 January, 2007.
Despite Sandra Lean's proclamations otherwise, have trial transcripts, only revealed now, in truth, been available to us all for 16 years and at no more than a copying/admin fee, working out to be approx .60p per page?
Yet, as we know, only recently, Sandra Lean still vehemently asserted that obtaining copies were impossible and even if, would cost circa £60,000.
See the true, factual background, in my 8 November blog, regarding same:
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
The, so far, acquired trial transcripts, several hundred pages already, are gradually appearing online and a sizable undertaking, especially having a responsibility to perhaps redact certain names.
These are costing hundreds of pounds, each time, for a small portion of the trial transcripts.
Think how much that money could have been better utilised by supporters, if only Sandra Lean had published the transcripts herself.
We are going to end up talking about a sizable, four figure sum.
A link to the new, imminent uploads, wil be posted here.
The transcripts do highlight significant, evidential material, which is at variance with Sandra Lean's published claims.
This will, entirely separately, be addressed shortly and a link posted here.
For me it’s not about Dr Lean’s guilt but Luke Mitchell’s innocence, or otherwise. Perhaps if you stick to the bald transcripts instead of character assassination the impact they obviously will have will be less diluted?
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Charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean p.169
“The prosecution contended that Jodi may have found out at lunchtime on June 30th that Luke had another girlfriend and was planning to visit her the following week. Jodi, they suggested, set out that evening to confront Luke about the other girl.
The other girl, Kimberley Thomson, lived some 60 miles away. Luke met her the previous year when the family were on holiday and the two thirteen-year-olds had a “holiday romance.” They kept in touch by phone and met up again in the New Year period of 2003. Luke had not seen Kimberley since, although they still chatted on the phone. The claim that he was planning to visit her again in July 2003 was based on Corinne’s plan to holiday in the same place – a plan that had since been cancelled.
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“Had been intending”, “was supposed”. I’m not sure how this proves that the holiday hadn’t been cancelled? Context is needed.
From the Guardian
“Miss Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire, told the jury she and Mr Mitchell kept in contact after the summer of 2002 and met up in October, on Boxing Day and on Valentine's Day the following year.
She said Mr Mitchell had been due to visit her house on the Friday before Jodi died, but the trip had been cancelled “
But when she was asked by the prosecuting advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC whether it was in fact the following weekend that the two were due to have met up, the witness replied: "I can't remember."
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the trip had been cancelled
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From the BBC.
“ The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
Are you saying that the witness was wrong or that a myriad of newspapers reported it incorrectly?
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And here, ladies & gentlemen, is how one loses a debate. Pretend something did not exist. When there is evidence to the contrary.
I revert back to my last point > fingers in one's ears.
I have already explained to you why the evidence that you offered had little probative value. If there were such a parka, there would be a receipt. There would probably be a credit card statement and photographs of Mr. Mitchell wearing one prior to 30 June. Can you produce any of these? Can you offer anything of substance? I am not holding my breath.
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Also, Luke tested negative for cannabis that day. Jodi tested positive, two kids who never got justice
12:01 AM · Nov 23, 2023
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Stuart Henderson, Rachel Roll and Dani Barclay have done a video with that creepy man James Hunt who calls himself “the fly fifer”
Stuart Henderson seems to be under the impression Steven Kelly’s blood was on Jodi Jones clothing
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Dani Barclay stated;
“Getting the transcripts isnae gonna prove anything that we don’t know and (unintelligible) court and trial, it was all lies and made up stories anyway, it’s just lies on papers so, it’s the samples, release the samples and get them tested that’s the only way that you’ll shut people up”
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Rachel Roll stated;
“See can I point something out about Mark Kane, erm the trolls like guilters basically they say that, campaigners try and say that Mark Kane did it and that’s what Scott forbes angle was. That was never the case with Mark Kane. Mark Kane looked incredibly similar to Luke, so the point bringing Mark Kane into it was to actually to say ‘look he could have been the person at the gate that Rosemary Fleming and Lorraine Walsh’, that could have been the person they saw therefore taking their witness testimony out of it. Obviously it’s odd that he had scratches and that and he should have been looked at, that’s another way of saying the police weren’t doing their job basically and weren’t doing their job
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From the BBC.
“ The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
Are you saying that the witness was wrong or that a myriad of newspapers reported it incorrectly?
If sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell hadn’t cancelled his visit to see Kimberley Thomson on the 5th July 2003, how do you think that would have gone down?
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Rachel Roll stated;
“See can I point something out about Mark Kane, erm the trolls like guilters basically they say that, campaigners try and say that Mark Kane did it and that’s what Scott forbes angle was. That was never the case with Mark Kane. Mark Kane looked incredibly similar to Luke, so the point bringing Mark Kane into it was to actually to say ‘look he could have been the person at the gate that Rosemary Fleming and Lorraine Walsh’, that could have been the person they saw therefore taking their witness testimony out of it. Obviously it’s odd that he had scratches and that and he should have been looked at, that’s another way of saying the police weren’t doing their job basically and weren’t doing their job
Rachel Roll stated;
“I’m not stopping this until the person who done this is in jail”
The person who “done this” IS in jail Rachel Roll and you are communicating with him
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Also, Luke tested negative for cannabis that day. Jodi tested positive, two kids who never got justice
12:01 AM · Nov 23, 2023
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Yet sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was smoking cannabis with David High, David Tullock and the other lad from around 7:30pm
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If sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell hadn’t cancelled his visit to see Kimberley Thomson on the 5th July 2003, how do you think that would have gone down?
But he did so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
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From the BBC.
“ The accused also visited her on St Valentine's Day 2003.
Miss Thomson said Mr Mitchell was supposed to visit her last summer but this was "cancelled".
Are you saying that the witness was wrong or that a myriad of newspapers reported it incorrectly?
If sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell hadn’t cancelled his visit to see Kimberley Thomson on the 5th July 2003, how do you think that would have gone down?
But he did so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
Corinne Mitchell told police, in one of her first statements, that sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was “intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July, to stay with C and Kimberley”
The visit was cancelled by the killer
Charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean p.169
“The claim that he was planning to visit her again in July 2003 was based on Corinne’s plan to holiday in the same place – a plan that had since been cancelled.
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Corinne Mitchell told police, in one of her first statements, that sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was “intending to go to Kenmore this weekend, 5th July, to stay with C and Kimberley”
The visit was cancelled by the killer
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One assumption from the above is that Luke’s ‘romance’ with Kimberley was cooling as his feelings for Jodi grew stronger. It is telling that he cancelled the visit.
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“Transcript comparisons”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
What the author of the above blog is also demonstrating is that they still seem attached to the narrative told by killer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers
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Stuart Henderson, Rachel Roll and Dani Barclay have done a video with that creepy man James Hunt who calls himself “the fly fifer”
James Hunt/fly fifer is really creepy
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What the trial transcripts are demonstrating to former supporters is that scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes are bare faced liars, as are Corinne Mitchell and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
“Transcript comparisons”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
The author of the above blog stated;
“When supporters of Luke Mitchell have asked about the discrepancies in the transcripts, the reply from those leading the campaign has been along the lines of that without the correct context, the sections that have been shared amount to nothing more than a lie”
The author would be better off publishing the transcripts they have paid for in full (no redactions), as opposed to being selective with what they are choosing to publish
The jury who heard all the evidence and who declared killer Luke Mitchell guilty after hearing and seeing all the evidence, did not make their decision based on small parts of a witnesses testimony.
The jury listened to each witness who was questioned by both the prosecution and the defence
The jury were not only able to see and hear the evidence, they were also able to see each witness as they answered questions put to them and gauge their reactions to each answer they gave
None of this is refelective in any mainstream media article
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Rachel Roll stated;
“I’m not stopping this until the person who done this is in jail”
The person who “done this” IS in jail Rachel Roll and you are communicating with him
“I speak to Luke a lot” ~ Rachel Roll
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The author of the above blog stated;
“When supporters of Luke Mitchell have asked about the discrepancies in the transcripts, the reply from those leading the campaign has been along the lines of that without the correct context, the sections that have been shared amount to nothing more than a lie”
The author would be better off publishing the transcripts they have paid for in full (no redactions), as opposed to being selective with what they are choosing to publish
The jury who heard all the evidence and who declared killer Luke Mitchell guilty after hearing and seeing all the evidence, did not make their decision based on small parts of a witnesses testimony.
I absolutely agree. All the cards on the table.
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Dani Barclay stated;
“Getting the transcripts isnae gonna prove anything that we don’t know and (unintelligible) court and trial, it was all lies and made up stories anyway, it’s just lies on papers so, it’s the samples, release the samples and get them tested that’s the only way that you’ll shut people up”
This is bonkers!
Coming from the woman who spends her afternoons in the Mitchell library in Glasgow reading papers on killer Luke Mitchell
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One assumption from the above is that Luke’s ‘romance’ with Kimberley was cooling as his feelings for Jodi grew stronger. It is telling that he cancelled the visit.
Do you mean this sentence Mr Apples?
‘ [i]If Luke had kept that visit to me would I have been dead now? Would he have still killed Jodi? Would we still both be alive? I don't know.[/i] ’
I don’t think KT was referring to the 30th but a visit that had been arranged to the town where she lived by Luke and his family which, I believe, had been cancelled.
The visit by sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell to Kenmore on the 5th July 2003 did not include “his family”!
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Stuart Henderson seems to be under the impression Steven Kelly’s blood was on Jodi Jones clothing
Stuart Henderson referring to innocent Steven Kelly
“..that guy you’re speaking of, eh not only was his semen on it but also his blood, right”
No Stuart Jemderson is was not!
This was yet more of scammer Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton’s nonsense!
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Stuart Henderson
“There was something in the record recently about the Jones family”
“They were wanting to get the transcripts”
Rachel Roll
“It says a family member”
Stuart Henderson
“A family member right, who in my opinion is probably this Agnes P, P trovicus or something”
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Rachel Roll
“That was one of Jodi’s aunties”
Stuart Henderson
“That was one of Jodi’s aunties”
Rachel Roll
“but we don’t know that for sure”
Stuart Henderson
“And there saying oh a family member right, I think that’s a bit of smoke and mirrors, that’s like, if they, if they really wanted the truth, if they really wanted to put this to bed right, campaign for the release of the samples, get them tested, then you’ll have it all clear, the fact, so far, as far as I know, they’re not campaigning for release of the samples, that’s a bit suspicious to me” ”
This case was “put to bed” on 21st January 2005!
Diane Inkster and Agnes Petkevicius are indeed Jodi Jones’ auntie’s
Diane Inkster’s son was “dating” Belinda Jack - who was also a friend of killer Luke Mitchell
Belinda Jack was taken into custody following killer Luke Mitchell amd his mother and his brothers arrest
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Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.262
“Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial
Laura Wightman was killer Luke Mitchell girlfriend and Belinda Jack was a friend of Laura Wightman and killer Luke Mitchell
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The visit by sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell to Kenmore on the 5th July 2003 did not include “his family”!
It doesn’t matter, he cancelled it. Perhaps that’s what the long conversation with Kimberley was about on the Saturday? Perhaps she was trying to persuade him to come after all?
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It doesn’t matter
You stated
I don’t think KT was referring to the 30th but a visit that had been arranged to the town where she lived by Luke and his family
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s “family” were not planning on visiting Kenmore!
he cancelled it. Perhaps that’s what the long conversation with Kimberley was about on the Saturday? Perhaps she was trying to persuade him to come after all?
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about this?
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Diane Inkster’s son was “dating” Belinda Jack - who was also a friend of killer Luke Mitchell
Belinda Jack was taken into custody following killer Luke Mitchell amd his mother and his brothers arrest
Jill Barnes (Belinda Jack) made a public statement about this in April 2021
“CID came into my work on the day Luke got arrested took me away”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
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I have already explained to you why the evidence that you offered had little probative value. If there were such a parka, there would be a receipt. There would probably be a credit card statement and photographs of Mr. Mitchell wearing one prior to 30 June. Can you produce any of these? Can you offer anything of substance? I am not holding my breath.
No, i advise against holding your breath. I'm a humanitarian, and would not want you to do any internal damage by doing so. Now back to your demands, even if i wanted to provide you with anything, you are too far gone, you have fallen into that category of about a dozen others, probably more, that any evidence provided gets dismissed out of hand (as we have already seen) deflected and round and round we go. So if it is substance you are looking for, then i suggest you take your blinkers off.
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Jill Barnes (Belinda Jack) made a public statement about this in April 2021
“CID came into my work on the day Luke got arrested took me away”
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/28/killer-luke-mitchell-14-year-old-belinda-jack-not-her-real-name-was-also-taken-into-custody-on-day-of-murderers-arrest-part-190/
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/30/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-leans-story-doesnt-add-up-because-shes-missed-out-relevant-bits-part-194/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.262
“Two of Luke’s friends – fourteen-year-old kids - were in his house on a number of occasions when Michelle Lindsay was present. Information from both was included in Michelle Lindsay’s notes and used against Luke at trial
In reality Laura Wightman and Jill Barnes were victims of killer Luke Mitchell
Jill Barnes gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial.
She had contacted the police after killer Luke Mitchell had said something “strange” to her.
Both Laura Wightman and Jill Barnes made police witness statements
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Scammer Sandra Lean to Alan Carrick
“ that goes to, when people ask me you know, what if the tests were to come back and it was Luke afterall this,’so be it’ the system still failed, we dinnae get the truth because the story, even if the samples came back and it was Luke, the story they fed us could not possibly have been the truth”
The mainstream media do not report word for word, from start to finish, what is stated during a trial Sandra!
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You stated
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s “family” were not planning on visiting Kenmore!
What did killer Luke Mitchell tell the police about this?
You tell me?
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You tell me?
Did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell Grace McLean about his visit to see Kimberley in Kenmore?
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Rachel Roll to creepy James Humt aka the fly fifer
“Sandra has basically led us all here”
Like the pied piper
Keeping you all focused on her innocence fraud narrative and distracted from all the actual evidence and facts of the case
So much so that when you obtain trial transcripts and read testimony that wasn’t reported on or that you’ve never heard of before you appear to think it’s a criminal offence to publish what was heard during a PUBLIC trial in an OPEN court
Scammer Sandra Lean - 22nd February 2023;
“WAKE UP! You are being lied to. They’re (Sandra Lean & the other innocence fraud grifters) taking the proverbial out of you. Boiling you like a frog”
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https://relationshipedia.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/decoding-narcissistic-devaluation/
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Oh watched the program and read the book say no more. Sandra knowingly lied about the transcripts for years, she has now been caught out. She is the one who has called her credibility into question that is what is fake. So go back to causing harm to the children of your pics.
3:22 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Oh the hate oozes out of you. I hope you feel better now
3:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth will set Luke free. Not lies. Why are the transcripts a dirty little secret? The reaction to these being released is very telling. You think that's hate? That is not even mildly annoyed. All that work the supporters have done and we are all treated with contempt by SL.
3:53 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
will the transcripts help Luke ? You're more interested in YOU, 'big bold Sharon has exposed a cult'. See if your pal Hamilton will do a DR spread, great headline
4:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Maybe you should open your eyes and shut your mouth. JH has had me blocked for years so go take a hike you muppet. You are just pissed off because your hounding of potentially innocent people has been called out. Nice work!!
4:30 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
That's the true Sharon right there, get it out girl #Exposed
4:33 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Nothing to expose, just like all your other posts.
4:36 PM · Nov 20, 2023
“Contempt” or have you been used and abused by a raging malignant narcissist?
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Creepy fly fifer/James Hunt to Rachel Roll
“Without mentioning any names do we know who these samples pertain to”
Rachel Roll
“No, see, they’ve never actually been tested, so we know that there semen because there’s preliminary tests that you can do, erm so there’s preliminary tests that you can do to actually see if like,is that semen, is that got erm or isit made up of saliva… so they know that it’s semen and then the police just went ‘oop we’ll just put that away’ no further testing”
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Rachel Roll stated;
“See can I point something out about Mark Kane, erm the trolls like guilters basically they say that, campaigners try and say that Mark Kane did it and that’s what Scott forbes angle was. That was never the case with Mark Kane. Mark Kane looked incredibly similar to Luke, so the point bringing Mark Kane into it was to actually to say ‘look he could have been the person at the gate that Rosemary Fleming and Lorraine Walsh’, that could have been the person they saw therefore taking their witness testimony out of it. Obviously it’s odd that he had scratches and that and he should have been looked at, that’s another way of saying the police weren’t doing their job basically and weren’t doing their job
How would RR know what MK looked like? He was at least 5 years older and significantly taller. How would she know if he had scratches on his face or whether he was a person of interest? Only because SF/SL said so..
The 3 poor fools on the Fly Fifer video are the epitomy of cultists parroting their leaders. I only managed 10 minutes before switching off and ticking off the Lean/Forbes Bingo card. It's a shame using Stuart H as he seems easily persuaded and the other pair just quote SL's party line. It's Jeremy Kyle/Mumsnet stuff at best.
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How would RR know what MK looked like? He was at least 5 years older and significantly taller. How would she know if he had scratches on his face or whether he was a person of interest? Only because SF/SL said so..
In reality Rachel Roll has no idea what Mark Kane looked like!
For a start there isn’t a photograph of Mark Kane from 30th June 2003 in the public domain, and it’s 100% guaranteed Mark Kane did not look anything like that photo of him playing pool in any of the CCTV photographs obtained by the police in 2003!
Rachel Roll has sadly been duped by fraudsters Scott Forbes, Sandra Lean and the channel 5 TV shows trickery
Rachel why don’t you ask fraudster Scott Forbes to publish the statement he made in 2008
Then ask fantasist Scott Forbes and scammer Sandra Lean to disclose to you exactly what was said about Scott Forbes during the appeal - not the few snippets reported on by the media
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The 3 poor fools on the Fly Fifer video are the epitomy of cultists parroting their leaders.
I could barely make out what Dani Barclay was saying
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How would RR know what MK looked like? He was at least 5 years older and significantly taller. How would she know if he had scratches on his face or whether he was a person of interest? Only because SF/SL said so..
In reality Rachel Roll has no idea what Mark Kane looked like!
For a start there isn’t a photograph of Mark Kane from 30th June 2003 in the public domain, and it’s 100% guaranteed Mark Kane did not look anything like that photo of him playing pool in any of the CCTV photographs obtained by the police in 2003!
Rachel Roll has sadly been duped by fraudsters Scott Forbes, Sandra Lean and the channel 5 TV shows trickery
Rachel why don’t you ask fraudster Scott Forbes to publish the statement he made in 2008
Then ask fantasist Scott Forbes and scammer Sandra Lean to disclose to you exactly what was said about Scott Forbes during the appeal - not the few snippets reported on by the media
Rachel Roll stated to that creep James Hunt/the fly fifer of
“….unless there’s video evidence none of us could know”
Is Rachel Roll not aware of the CCTV evidence regarding Mark Kane?
Mark Kane was captured on CCTV Rachel in the shop in Eskbank just before closing, with no scratches on his face!
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The 3 poor fools on the Fly Fifer video are the epitomy of cultists parroting their leaders. I only managed 10 minutes before switching off and ticking off the Lean/Forbes Bingo card. It's a shame using Stuart H as he seems easily persuaded and the other pair just quote SL's party line. It's Jeremy Kyle/Mumsnet stuff at best.
Dani Barclay has claimed a family member of hers was “wrongly convicted” 🙄
Dani has never however said what they were allegedly “wrongly convicted” of?!
Could it be a sexual offence by any chance?
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Oh watched the program and read the book say no more. Sandra knowingly lied about the transcripts for years, she has now been caught out. She is the one who has called her credibility into question that is what is fake. So go back to causing harm to the children of your pics.
3:22 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Oh the hate oozes out of you. I hope you feel better now
3:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth will set Luke free. Not lies. Why are the transcripts a dirty little secret? The reaction to these being released is very telling. You think that's hate? That is not even mildly annoyed. All that work the supporters have done and we are all treated with contempt by SL.
3:53 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
will the transcripts help Luke ? You're more interested in YOU, 'big bold Sharon has exposed a cult'. See if your pal Hamilton will do a DR spread, great headline
4:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Maybe you should open your eyes and shut your mouth. JH has had me blocked for years so go take a hike you muppet. You are just pissed off because your hounding of potentially innocent people has been called out. Nice work!!
4:30 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt[/size]
@Truth4Luke
That's the true Sharon right there, get it out girl #Exposed
4:33 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Nothing to expose, just like all your other posts.
4:36 PM · Nov 20, 2023
For the past goodness knows however many months this moron - Heather Brunt - has been plastering a photograph of an innocent man called Davy all over social media pretending he is Craig Dobbie
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It’s not the first time she has behaved like this either
Fraudsters Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes know all about Heather Brunt’s “behaviour” and say nothing - and Forbes’ openly encourages it
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For the past goodness knows however many months this moron - Heather Brunt - has been plastering a photograph of an innocent man all over social media pretending he is Craig Dobbie 🙄
It’s not the first time she’s done this either
Fraudsters Scott Forbes and Sandra Lean know all about Heather Brunt’s “behaviour” and say nothing
Heather B is a complete psycho off the scale deranged cultist. Reminds me of the female character in Misery fawning over Forbes.
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Heather B is a complete psycho off the scale deranged cultist. Reminds me of the female character in Misery fawning over Forbes.
Even when Heather Brunt’s “behaviour is pointed out to her she carries on regardless
https://twitter.com/ElenaCo93/status/1727432298067362168
Maybe the media will do another story - this time on sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s “lead campaigner” Heather
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Creepy James Hunt aka the fly fifer
“I mean I’m nae a scientist but the semen on the top, how the hell could you overlook that, he’d be my first one
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How would RR know what MK looked like?
Rachel Roll has not read the trial transcripts from start to finish, which run into thousands and thousands of pages yet she trust the word of a known fraudster ie; scammer Sandra Lean and her 378 pages of nonsense
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How would RR know what MK looked like?
Hopefully Rachel Roll will listen back to what she’s said and give some serious thought to all the nonsense she’s been sold
Referring to Craig Debbie - Rachel Roll stated;
“…when you read the, the news, and the, the, the police done a lot of media briefings which were translated into newspaper articles and you can almost clearly see a sort of divide, so, on the very, the first two weeks want it, you have erm can’t remember his actual name but he’s eh a uniformed officer, so he’s not CID, so he’s talking about erm giving the kids at the Newbattle school, giving them alarms, personal alarms doing all the safety kind of things, make sure the communities looked after erm and they’ve got the divers in they’re doing all this, all the sort of forensic things that you would expect to see but then when that goes back to the CID investigation team, which is erm, not actually that big, you have your main investigator at the top and then you’ve got erm different officers as well, so that gets translated back to them and they decide what to do with that information and if their going down, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson, see when, if you imagine that you’ve got your on the beat bobbies and that, talk to the community, discussing things with them and then you’ve got your CID and the command centre, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson and Marilyn Manson’s obsession with the black dahlia, they’re going down that route whilst they’re been getting all the information that they should be getting and acting on it, so you’re talking about, you’re talking about over 300 uniformed officers stopping people on the street actually doing erm, uh I can’t remember the word for it, when you stop the cars, roadblock, over 300 officers doing that speaking to like everybody in that area, can you imagine the amount of information that comes from that, and what Craig Dobbie, I’m just going to mention him, that’s the senior investigating officer, what he decided was pertinent from those peoples statements was did Luke, did Luke Mitchell like Marilyn Manson, what music did he like, you can see them, you can see this sort of undercurrent, if you are aware that, if you look at the newspapers, looking at it that Luke’s innocent, you can actually see that story emerge, it’s like two stories there isn’t it, and it’s a thread through all the early articles
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Heather B is a complete psycho off the scale deranged cultist. Reminds me of the female character in Misery fawning over Forbes.
Complete psycho or not Heather Brunt and her “malicious communications” aren’t going unnoticed
She is doing sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell no favours either
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Underneath one of Heather Brunt’s malicious tweets
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
"Jodi would only have gone over there with someone she knew," said the gran at trial, knowing, since the day after Jodi was murdered, that the moped boys were there at the exact claimed time of the murder - and she (gran) told them not to go to the police????
7:56 PM · Nov 23, 2023
Scammer Sandra Lean and her obvious desperation
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Leonard Kelly did NOT see the “moped boys” when he cycled along Roans Dyke path Sandra
**In Memory of Leonard Kelly**
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
And don’t forget Leonard Kelly’s then partner gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial Sandra - along with his neighbours evidence
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Creepy fly fifer/James Hunt to Rachel Roll
“Without mentioning any names do we know who these samples pertain to”
Rachel Roll
“No, see, they’ve never actually been tested, so we know that there semen because there’s preliminary tests that you can do, erm so there’s preliminary tests that you can do to actually see if like,is that semen, is that got erm or isit made up of saliva… so they know that it’s semen and then the police just went ‘oop we’ll just put that away’ no further testing”
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Oh what a surprise - James Hunt has a conviction/s for domestic abuse
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Scammer Sandra Lean to Alan Carrick
“ that goes to, when people ask me you know, what if the tests were to come back and it was Luke afterall this,’so be it’ the system still failed, we dinnae get the truth because the story, even if the samples came back and it was Luke, the story they fed us could not possibly have been the truth”
The mainstream media do not report word for word, from start to finish, what is stated during a trial Sandra!
Alan Carrick who stated in a video with someone called Neil
“..they might come in and rape you, you might like it”
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Luke Muir Mitchell -v- HMA
Testimony of Steven Kelly
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Oh watched the program and read the book say no more. Sandra knowingly lied about the transcripts for years, she has now been caught out. She is the one who has called her credibility into question that is what is fake. So go back to causing harm to the children of your pics.
3:22 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Oh the hate oozes out of you. I hope you feel better now
3:34 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth will set Luke free. Not lies. Why are the transcripts a dirty little secret? The reaction to these being released is very telling. You think that's hate? That is not even mildly annoyed. All that work the supporters have done and we are all treated with contempt by SL.
3:53 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
will the transcripts help Luke ? You're more interested in YOU, 'big bold Sharon has exposed a cult'. See if your pal Hamilton will do a DR spread, great headline
4:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Maybe you should open your eyes and shut your mouth. JH has had me blocked for years so go take a hike you muppet. You are just pissed off because your hounding of potentially innocent people has been called out. Nice work!!
4:30 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
That's the true Sharon right there, get it out girl #Exposed
4:33 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Nothing to expose, just like all your other posts.
4:36 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Yet again I feel obliged to stick up for myself Sharon indy sunshine calling me disgusting, obsessed, deluded, vigilantes naming and sharing ppl. Very awkward because look at who shared my tweets. I'll tag the people who on another tweet just to expose this woman
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1:06 AM · Nov 24, 2023
Malicious communication
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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2021/10
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https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/social-media-and-other-electronic-communications#:~:text=of%20different%20ways%3A-,s.,s.
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Corinne Mitchell to James English
“I wasn’t allowed in the trial, I was kept till the very very last day to give my evidence, I wasn’t allowed in
Corinne Mitchell gave evidence on the 13th and 14th of January 2004 which was not the “very, very last day”!
Natalie Wright, Raymond McCloy, James Aitken, DCI Ronald Miller, Dr Kranti Hiremath, Marion O’Sullivan & Derek Hamilton all gave evidence after liar Corinne Mitchell
TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderer Luke Mitchell’s Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell request copies of the trial transcripts?
This was and is another bare faced lie!
Corinne Mitchell was not the last witness to give evidence
UPDATED Witness List
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/03/killer-luke-mitchell-over-100-witnesses-gave-evidence-during-the-murderers-trial-yet-the-mainstream-media-only-ever-reported-on-around-half-part-272/
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Yet again I feel obliged to stick up for myself Sharon indy sunshine calling me disgusting, obsessed, deluded, vigilantes naming and sharing ppl. Very awkward because look at who shared my tweets. I'll tag the people who on another tweet just to expose this woman
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1:06 AM · Nov 24, 2023
Malicious communication
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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2021/10
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https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/social-media-and-other-electronic-communications#:~:text=of%20different%20ways%3A-,s.,s.
Why did these people choose to share renowned troll Heather Brunt’s malicious tweets?
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Copies Of Full Trial Transcripts: Her Majesty’s Advocate -v- Luke Muir Mitchell
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
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Why did these people choose to share renowned troll Heather Brunt’s malicious tweets?
Why did these people jump on board scammer Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud gravy train scam, further perpetuated by that “entertainment” TV show and it’s propaganda?
A jury sat and listened to weeks worth of evidence and found sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell guilty!
Most of the evidence that was heard during the 2004/05 trial never made it into the public domain
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Underneath one of Heather Brunt’s malicious tweets
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
"Jodi would only have gone over there with someone she knew," said the gran at trial, knowing, since the day after Jodi was murdered, that the moped boys were there at the exact claimed time of the murder - and she (gran) told them not to go to the police????
7:56 PM · Nov 23, 2023
Scammer Sandra Lean and her obvious desperation
*&^^&
Leonard Kelly did NOT see the “moped boys” when he cycled along Roans Dyke path Sandra
Scammer and abuser Sandra Lean’s deplorable and concocted nonsense regarding Alice Walker
Killer Luke Mitchell: Pretend Criminologist & Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Pusher Sandra Lean’s Latest Smears & Attack On Murder Victims Gran Alice Walker (Part 162)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/14/killer-luke-mitchell-pretend-criminologist-innocence-fraud-pusher-sandra-leans-latest-smears-attack-on-murder-victims-gran-part-162/
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Underneath one of Heather Brunt’s malicious tweets
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
"Jodi would only have gone over there with someone she knew," said the gran at trial, knowing, since the day after Jodi was murdered, that the moped boys were there at the exact claimed time of the murder - and she (gran) told them not to go to the police????
7:56 PM · Nov 23, 2023
Scammer and abuser Sandra Lean tweeted the above underneath abuser Heather Brunt’s tweet
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Nov 23
Police Informant Alice Walker's Comment When #LukeMitchell PASSED The Lie Detector.
Luke's Lie Detector https://youtu.be/boKXAggpHoQ?si=pEyqCIX2aSHPkVsZ…
Terry Mullins Lie Detector Expert Believes Luke Is Innocent
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Creepy fly fifer/James Hunt to Rachel Roll
“Without mentioning any names do we know who these samples pertain to”
Rachel Roll
“No, see, they’ve never actually been tested, so we know that there semen because there’s preliminary tests that you can do, erm so there’s preliminary tests that you can do to actually see if like,is that semen, is that got erm or isit made up of saliva… so they know that it’s semen and then the police just went ‘oop we’ll just put that away’ no further testing”
*&^^&
The acid phosphatase test can produce false positives Rachel Roll
Scammer Sandra Lean is an “expert” in conning people - she is not an “expert” in forensics
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Let's get one thing crystal clear. There is one victim in this and he's still serving a life sentence. I'm not one bit bothered by trolls, keep going.
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9:22 PM · Nov 24, 2023
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Let's get one thing crystal clear. There is one victim in this and he's still serving a life sentence. I'm not one bit bothered by trolls, keep going.
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9:22 PM · Nov 24, 2023
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It's shameful that Lean has encouraged people with clear learning difficulties to campaign for LM with out any critical thinking or insight. The Fly Fifers video was essentially a SL party political broadcast.
Most interactions I've had with LM supporters suggest I should read IB (or worse SF's) and watch MIAST doc and all will become clear. No ability to discuss, just quote SL/SF nonsense which is being exposed daily by the release of the transcripts.
Looks like SL's 60th is under threat too with the latest venue considering their options. If not, me and Jane Hamilton and top bowler Dobbie will be outside with pitchforks and torches, peacefully of course.
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Let's get one thing crystal clear. There is one victim in this and he's still serving a life sentence. I'm not one bit bothered by trolls, keep going.
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9:22 PM · Nov 24, 2023
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This abusive troll - Heather Brunt - has been posting photo’s of yet more innocent people all over social media for months and months
People have “liked”, “retweeted” and “shared” Heather Brunt’s abusive nonsense without carrying out any due diligence
Scammer Sandra Lean has even encouraged Heather (see Facebook)
Several of the photographs Heather Brunt has posted of people all over her social media (which have been “liked” and “shared” by other people) are people not linked in anyway to the case against sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Many photo’s of people not even remotely linked to killer Luke Mitchell remain all over social media
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Hopefully Rachel Roll will listen back to what she’s said and give some serious thought to all the nonsense she’s been sold
Referring to Craig Debbie - Rachel Roll stated;
“…when you read the, the news, and the, the, the police done a lot of media briefings which were translated into newspaper articles and you can almost clearly see a sort of divide, so, on the very, the first two weeks want it, you have erm can’t remember his actual name but he’s eh a uniformed officer, so he’s not CID, so he’s talking about erm giving the kids at the Newbattle school, giving them alarms, personal alarms doing all the safety kind of things, make sure the communities looked after erm and they’ve got the divers in they’re doing all this, all the sort of forensic things that you would expect to see but then when that goes back to the CID investigation team, which is erm, not actually that big, you have your main investigator at the top and then you’ve got erm different officers as well, so that gets translated back to them and they decide what to do with that information and if their going down, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson, see when, if you imagine that you’ve got your on the beat bobbies and that, talk to the community, discussing things with them and then you’ve got your CID and the command centre, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson and Marilyn Manson’s obsession with the black dahlia, they’re going down that route whilst they’re been getting all the information that they should be getting and acting on it, so you’re talking about, you’re talking about over 300 uniformed officers stopping people on the street actually doing erm, uh I can’t remember the word for it, when you stop the cars, roadblock, over 300 officers doing that speaking to like everybody in that area, can you imagine the amount of information that comes from that, and what Craig Dobbie, I’m just going to mention him, that’s the senior investigating officer, what he decided was pertinent from those peoples statements was did Luke, did Luke Mitchell like Marilyn Manson, what music did he like, you can see them, you can see this sort of undercurrent, if you are aware that, if you look at the newspapers, looking at it that Luke’s innocent, you can actually see that story emerge, it’s like two stories there isn’t it, and it’s a thread through all the early articles
Have you read all the trial transcripts yet Rachel?
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”Shane Mitchell 10/01/05 transcript - day one of three”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
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”Shane Mitchell 10/01/05 transcript - day one of three”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
10th January 2007 is when Chris Gilkinson from William Hodge & Pollock Ltd signed off the above transcripts as having been transcribed
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Sandra Lean
When your daughter Chi Bunny Lean stated on Facebook
“the answer to all of your questions is in the book”
Was she blatantly lying or was she deluded?
And when your daughter Chi stated;
“She gets asked these questions every hour of every day”
Was she lying, exaggerating or is this what you would tell Chi?
Killer Luke Mitchell: According To The Murderers Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s Elder Daughter Chi.. (Part 205)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/38466
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Caroline Bennett -Facebook 22nd March 2021
Is it DPP who delivers Sandras books does anyone know?
Michael Taylor
Caroline Bennett I'm ready for chapter 4. I refused to move on from chapter 3 till it made sense 😂
Sandra Lean
Michael Taylor If I'd waited until it made sense (in the way we all expect things to make sense), there wouldn't have been a chapter 4 onwards!!!
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Kath Green Seath
Just watched you guys 👏 well done all off you.
Dani get nearer to that 🎤 🤣.
Seriously yous all done great, and to know he has offered you the platform for anything that helps get justice for Jodi and Luke
Terrific, Nicky and Sandra, enjoyed your calls too 👏❤️
Nicky Brendan Aka Nicola Brennan
Kath Green Seath sorry Kath. It was Nicola Brennan that was on the call. Not me 🙈
Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan
Nicky Brendan we are easily confused lol xx
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Anonymous member
Few points on the truth justice episode with Sandra:
1. Sandra states that the search trio left from Jodi's Mother's house (Easthouses) but it was previously stated that they left from Jodi's Gran's house (Mayfield)?
2. When SK calls the police he says - "We called an hour ago, you were supposed to meet us here" - this is the 1st time I've heard about this, is this new information?
3. The mobile phone expert stating that it is unclear if the messages were deleted by someone or by them trying to access the data - is this new information as this is the 1st time I've heard this?
4. I was not aware of the bite mark on Jodi's hand 😱 - can this can be looked into further by the mark left by the persons teeth i.e compare this with that of any suspects teeth marks if that makes sense? There would surely also be saliva present?
5. Is it possible that her upper body was clean of any blood as she had been left out in the rain all night and this could have washed it off?
Just trying to get things straight in my head 🤔
Sandra Lean
My apologies! I did, indeed, make a mistake - I meant to say the search trio left from Jodi's grandmother's house, not her mother's house. I'm sorry, I'll make sure that's corrected before the next episode goes out.
Freddie Gren Aka Gemma Chapman
Hi Anonymous Member, all of those things are in Dr Lean's book. The documentaries and podcasts are fantastic but it's in the book where all those things really get discussed in detail. It's a must read, there's so much information in it based on the case files and statements etc.
The movements of the search party (excluding Luke) is one of the big questions still hanging over the case. All of them said in their statements and in court that they left from AW's house in Mayfield and walked to the path and that they were only going to the path, but the timings for that to be the case don't add up and it doesn't match with other evidence like what SK said for example. After discussing this today with Sandra, leaving from the Jones household was a slip of the tongue as that was not ever admitted by the search trio.
There was so much forensic evidence collected but the police tunnel vision only focussing on Luke meant that most of it was not followed up/tested as it should have been. At some point during the night Jodi's body was moved onto a plastic sheet so any blood or other evidence washed off by the rain would have been collected by this sheet. They discarded the sheet without ever testing it.
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This abusive troll - Heather Brunt - has been posting photo’s of yet more innocent people all over social media for months and months
People have “liked”, “retweeted” and “shared” Heather Brunt’s abusive nonsense without carrying out any due diligence
Scammer Sandra Lean has even encouraged Heather (see Facebook)
Several of the photographs Heather Brunt has posted of people all over her social media (which have been “liked” and “shared” by other people) are people not linked in anyway to the case against sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Many photo’s of people not even remotely linked to killer Luke Mitchell remain all over social media
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
This is not Dobbie and I sincerely apologise for posting a wrong photo. I know what I have to do. Bk to what I'm here for.
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Nov 24
Yet again I feel obliged to stick up for myself Sharon indy sunshine calling me disgusting, obsessed, deluded, vigilantes naming and sharing ppl. Very awkward because look at who shared my tweets. I'll tag the people who on another tweet just to expose this woman
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11:20 AM · Nov 24, 2023
Heather Brunt has not posted “a” single “wrong photo”
Heather Beint has posted numerous photos of more than one person - none of whom are related to the case against sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Many of the photos remain all over social media and are clearly falsely accusing yet more innocent people
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Sandra Lean
When your daughter Chi Bunny Lean stated on Facebook
“the answer to all of your questions is in the book”
Was she blatantly lying or was she deluded?
And when your daughter Chi stated;
“She gets asked these questions every hour of every day”
Was she lying, exaggerating or is this what you would tell Chi?
Killer Luke Mitchell: According To The Murderers Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s Elder Daughter Chi.. (Part 205)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/38466
Chi Bunny Lean also posted comments on YouTube
Is your daughter Chi aware of your bare faced lies Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
When your daughter Chi Bunny Lean stated on Facebook
“the answer to all of your questions is in the book”
Was she blatantly lying or was she deluded?
And when your daughter Chi stated;
“She gets asked these questions every hour of every day”
Was she lying, exaggerating or is this what you would tell Chi?
Killer Luke Mitchell: According To The Murderers Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s Elder Daughter Chi.. (Part 205)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/38466
Sandra Lean
Your second innocence fraud book states on page 378
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
“Long road to justice” did not exist in February/March 2021, yet this is what you were selling to people in 2021 - people who did not know you were and are conning them
On the 1st March 2021 you stated on Facebook;
Sandra Lean
I want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has ordered the book - the proceeds from these will really help keep me afloat to continue doing this work, so it’s massively appreciated. If anyone would like a direct copy, please message me at innocents.betrayed@gmail.com
Why did you choose to gaslight and manipulate people Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
Your second innocence fraud book states on page 378
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
“Long road to justice” did not exist in February/March 2021
Why did you choose to sell your second innocent fraud book with this bare faced lie at the end of it Sandra Lean ?
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Heather reposte
MIchael OBrien One of the Cardiff Newsagent Three
@michael73798531
The Daily Record and that Pathetic excuse of a journlist Jane Hamilton know nothing about Miscarriages of Justice I support Luke because he's Innocent and having cheap shots at us campaigners is despicable.
2:20 PM · Nov 22, 2023
Michael O’Brien is a murderer who, along with his brother-in-law Ellis Sherwood and their pal Darren Hall, had his murder conviction quashed on a legal technicality
Philip Saunders (52) was murdered on the 12th October 1987
Michael O’Brien and Ellis Sherwood attacked Philip Saunders with a shovel while Darren Hall apparently kept lookout
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http://swplive.blob.core.windows.net/wordpress-uploads/S731-Report-Operations-Fortitude-and-Resolute-finalised.pdf
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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2000/3.html
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”Shane Mitchell 10/01/05 transcript - day one of three”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
10th January 2007 is when Chris Gilkinson from William Hodge & Pollock Ltd signed off the above transcripts as having been transcribed
The trial transcripts were also stamped by the justiciary office on the 25th January 2008
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“Alice Walker full transcript 13/12/04”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
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Sharon Indy Sunshine - Facebook 4 days ago
Well, today was a new one in the crazy train of fighting for justice for Jodi Jones and Luke Mitchell.... Today I was publicly accused of being the one to go to the Daily Record, this could not be further from the truth!
Not that I need to justify myself but the fact that this abusive behavior is escalating to a point where I may need to speak to the police is concerning.
Inciting others to cause harm or abuse others is a serious matter. It is not acceptable in any reasonable society
Ronnie Mothersole
The daily record about what
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Ronnie Mothersole Someone is saying I was the anonymous source. It's bollocks!
Considering someone on the team talks to Jane Hamilton and a few people have told me that someone on the team talks to the police. Smoke and Mirrors.....
Sharon will you tell the police you’ve been “liking” and sharing photo’s of innocent people on your social media - innocent people who have been smeared, abused and harassed and who are not remotely associated with sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s case ?
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Sharon Indy Sunshine - Facebook 4 days ago
Well, today was a new one in the crazy train of fighting for justice for Jodi Jones and Luke Mitchell.... Today I was publicly accused of being the one to go to the Daily Record, this could not be further from the truth!
Not that I need to justify myself but the fact that this abusive behavior is escalating to a point where I may need to speak to the police is concerning.
Inciting others to cause harm or abuse others is a serious matter. It is not acceptable in any reasonable society
Sharon - scammer Sandra Lean has been doing this for many years and you were seemingly one of the first people from within your group to enable her behaviour
What do you have to say about that Sharon?
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Sharon Indy Sunshine - Facebook 4 days ago
Well, today was a new one in the crazy train of fighting for justice for Jodi Jones and Luke Mitchell.... Today I was publicly accused of being the one to go to the Daily Record, this could not be further from the truth!
Not that I need to justify myself but the fact that this abusive behavior is escalating to a point where I may need to speak to the police is concerning.
Inciting others to cause harm or abuse others is a serious matter. It is not acceptable in any reasonable society
Ronnie Mothersole
The daily record about what
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Ronnie Mothersole Someone is saying I was the anonymous source. It's bollocks!
Considering someone on the team talks to Jane Hamilton and a few people have told me that someone on the team talks to the police. Smoke and Mirrors.....
Sharon why didn’t you name Heather Brunt ?
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Just to make it clear
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
and Donna
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
are imo feeding the DR, Sharon calls us a 'cult'
Just like today's DR.
Good work ladies 👎
1:46 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
I haven't 'fed' anyone, or spoken to the DR. You regularly let 'your opinion' run free, it's no surprise :)
2:06 PM · Nov 20, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Keep up the good work ladies, people will see through you
2:08 PM · Nov 20, 2023
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This abusive troll - Heather Brunt - has been posting photo’s of yet more innocent people all over social media for months and months
People have “liked”, “retweeted” and “shared” Heather Brunt’s abusive nonsense without carrying out any due diligence
Scammer Sandra Lean has even encouraged Heather (see Facebook)
Several of the photographs Heather Brunt has posted of people all over her social media (which have been “liked” and “shared” by other people) are people not linked in anyway to the case against sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Many photo’s of people not even remotely linked to killer Luke Mitchell remain all over social media
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Heather Brunt’s projections 👇
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
How the trolls 🧌 get caught out telling whoppers, Dobbie was recently door stepped. Davy Dobbie, Davy Dobbie, nah his name's Craig
9:09 AM · Nov 23, 2023
The numerous photo’s of the gentleman Heather Brunt has plastered all over her social media accounts was and is a man called Davy NOT Craig!
Read more here https://twitter.com/ElenaCo93/status/1727643910250357073
There are other people Heather Brunt is doing this to
Heather Brunt has been told about the other photo’s of people NOT remotely associated to the case against sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell but she carries on regardless - whilst the photos and smears, abuse and harassment of these innocent people by Heather Brunt, and others, remain
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“Alice Walker full transcript 13/12/04”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
Alan Turnbull:
And if you count up 9 lines from the bottom you’ll see that there is a passage that reads “I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi” Do you see that?
Alice Walker:
Yes
Alan Turnbull:
“I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi at the school” And the policeman has put “Newbattle high school” in brackets “And either come to her house or take her back to him. Do you see?
Alice Walker:
I see that yes
Isn’t this where the push bike was seen by Gordon [Name removed]?
At the railings of the school?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
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Alan Turnbull:
And if you count up 9 lines from the bottom you’ll see that there is a passage that reads “I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi” Do you see that?
Alice Walker:
Yes
Alan Turnbull:
“I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi at the school” And the policeman has put “Newbattle high school” in brackets “And either come to her house or take her back to him. Do you see?
Alice Walker:
I see that yes
Isn’t this where the push bike was seen by Gordon [Name removed]?
At the railings of the school?
Sandra Lean
GD gave an account of a "yellow framed push bike" against the school railings at the junction of the paths https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg386888.html#msg386888
What exactly did Gordon [Name removed] say during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial about the push bike?
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Val Young - Facebook 2 days ago
Aileen Kircher I don’t believe Shane did lie. They put it to him ‘would you normally look at porn if there was anyone in the house’ - he said no. There was evidence that porn had been on his pc at the time however what was not stated was how long these sites had been open and how long the car site he admitted to looking at and there was evidence that car site was on his pc were open. In 2003 if at anytime you viewed at site on the internet there was a high chance a ‘pop up’ of that site comes through when your next online - so was he watching porn or was it a pop up. Regardless of any alibi I always come back to the time it would take to commit the crime and clean up to the only time Luke could commit it - less than an hour! Corrine forgetting she stopped for fags on her way home would only delay her 5-10 minutes so I see this as completely irrelevant as it doesn’t change the time of the murder
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Val Young obviously hasn’t read Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony
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Would it be possible to obtain all the film footage of this trial? Presumably, if one could, it would cost a pretty penny?
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Heather reposte
MIchael OBrien One of the Cardiff Newsagent Three
@michael73798531
The Daily Record and that Pathetic excuse of a journlist Jane Hamilton know nothing about Miscarriages of Justice I support Luke because he's Innocent and having cheap shots at us campaigners is despicable.
2:20 PM · Nov 22, 2023
Michael O’Brien is a murderer who, along with his brother-in-law Ellis Sherwood and their pal Darren Hall, had his murder conviction quashed on a legal technicality
Philip Saunders (52) was murdered on the 12th October 1987
Michael O’Brien and Ellis Sherwood attacked Philip Saunders with a shovel while Darren Hall apparently kept lookout
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http://swplive.blob.core.windows.net/wordpress-uploads/S731-Report-Operations-Fortitude-and-Resolute-finalised.pdf
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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2000/3.html
Heather reposted
MIchael OBrien One of the Cardiff Newsagent Three
@michael73798531
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Andrew Malkinson spent 17 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. He will use his #R4Today guest edit on 29 December to look at the justice system - and how his passion for science and astronomy brought him strength and resilience during his wrongful imprisonment.
9:26 PM · Nov 24, 2023
This 👆🏽is yet more innocence fraud
Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson is another con artist
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Sandra Lean
When your daughter Chi Bunny Lean stated on Facebook
“the answer to all of your questions is in the book”
Was she blatantly lying or was she deluded?
And when your daughter Chi stated;
“She gets asked these questions every hour of every day”
Was she lying, exaggerating or is this what you would tell Chi?
Killer Luke Mitchell: According To The Murderers Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s Elder Daughter Chi.. (Part 205)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/38466
Sandra Lean
What did you tell your daughter Chi Bunny Lean about psychopathic killer Simon Hall?
And what “documents” exactly did you amass in relation to this case in your alleged “search for answers”?
“The piles and piles of documents I amassed in my search for answers somehow turned themselves into a book; No Smoke, the Shocking Truth about British Justice, which highlighted seven cases of conviction where the evidence either clearly pointed to someone else or was so flimsy that it would not have passed a “slight doubt” test, far less a “beyond reasonable doubt” standard. ~ scammer Sandra Lean from her innocence fraud book innocents betrayed p.18/19
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Val Young
Aileen Kircher hi it’s good that you have questions and please do keep asking of anything you are unsure of. One of the things (and there are many) that convinces me of his innocence is the police and prosecution state Jodis time of death was 515, taking into account the time her family say she left home. Luke was seen and spoken to by boys slightly younger than him that knew him at 5.50 or 6.10 (sorry I don’t have my notes to hand on the exact time) so he is accused of battering, murdering then mutilating Jodi, leaving none of his dna on Jodi or the crime scene but leaving others dna there including Jodis sisters boyfriends, getting home cleaning all traces of blood on him then get to the end of his street appearing very calm - all within less than an hour! I don’t believe that is possible for anyone
When are where did the police and prosecution state TOD was 5:15pm ?
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Scammer Sandra Lean from page 21 of her 2nd innocence fraud book innocents betrayed
“I was driven by a sense of outrage and indignation that ordinary people just like me, just like you…”
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“During the trial, Shane admitted discussing his police statement with Corinne before telling the police that Mitchell was in the family home on the day of Jodi’s death.
He said he was extremely shaken up and could not remember anything about the day Jodi was killed as his memory had been affected due to a drugs problem a few years ago. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/shane-mitchell-what-evidence-did-luke-mitchells-brother-give-and-why-was-it-crucial-to-jodi-jones-murder-trial-3148506
More double binds
Why would Shane Mitchell have been “extremely shaken up”?
He was masturbating to pornography from around 4.55pm - 5.15pm
His brother allegedly asked him for a torch at around 10:52pm
What would have made Shane Mitchell feel ‘extremely shaken up’ on the 30th June 2003?
Who did Shane Mitchell phone at 6:04pm?
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Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Friends:
🔴Detective Chief Superintendent Craig Dobbie & Jodi's
🔴Aunt Agnes Petkekius
🔴 Worked On The Children's Panel Together.
#LukeMitchell Wasn't Safe Guarded That Day. Imo, He Was Set Up !!
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4:19 AM · Apr 30, 2023
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Police officers are excluded from membership of the children’s panel
Yet more of abusive troll Heather Brunt’s nonsense
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‘During a live Facebook video, Dr Lean said: “First up, Luke’s legal representation, I can’t say who, it’s in the very early stages at the minute but that was a big obstacle we had to get over.
“To get someone willing to take the case on and take it forward and now we have it.
“We are absolutely delighted with that.”
She continued: “The boxes of evidence will now go to Luke’s legal time and I won’t have them in my possession at all.” https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/14/scots-convicted-murderer-luke-mitchell-now-has-new-legal-representation-scottish-crime-news/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
What about those two external drives she allegedly purchased - will they also be going with the ‘boxes of evidence’ ?
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Fraudster Scott Forbes
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Hopefully Rachel Roll will listen back to what she’s said and give some serious thought to all the nonsense she’s been sold
Referring to Craig Debbie - Rachel Roll stated;
“…when you read the, the news, and the, the, the police done a lot of media briefings which were translated into newspaper articles and you can almost clearly see a sort of divide, so, on the very, the first two weeks want it, you have erm can’t remember his actual name but he’s eh a uniformed officer, so he’s not CID, so he’s talking about erm giving the kids at the Newbattle school, giving them alarms, personal alarms doing all the safety kind of things, make sure the communities looked after erm and they’ve got the divers in they’re doing all this, all the sort of forensic things that you would expect to see but then when that goes back to the CID investigation team, which is erm, not actually that big, you have your main investigator at the top and then you’ve got erm different officers as well, so that gets translated back to them and they decide what to do with that information and if their going down, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson, see when, if you imagine that you’ve got your on the beat bobbies and that, talk to the community, discussing things with them and then you’ve got your CID and the command centre, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson and Marilyn Manson’s obsession with the black dahlia, they’re going down that route whilst they’re been getting all the information that they should be getting and acting on it, so you’re talking about, you’re talking about over 300 uniformed officers stopping people on the street actually doing erm, uh I can’t remember the word for it, when you stop the cars, roadblock, over 300 officers doing that speaking to like everybody in that area, can you imagine the amount of information that comes from that, and what Craig Dobbie, I’m just going to mention him, that’s the senior investigating officer, what he decided was pertinent from those peoples statements was did Luke, did Luke Mitchell like Marilyn Manson, what music did he like, you can see them, you can see this sort of undercurrent, if you are aware that, if you look at the newspapers, looking at it that Luke’s innocent, you can actually see that story emerge, it’s like two stories there isn’t it, and it’s a thread through all the early articles
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
I don't know the detailed facts just my basic research from 2021 I knew something was happening but didn't know info till now with the destruction of hidden evidence from chief police Iain and then I perosonally feel that there is a friendship or influence from Dobbie possibly...
6:07 PM · Apr 17, 2023
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Alan Turnbull:
And if you count up 9 lines from the bottom you’ll see that there is a passage that reads “I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi” Do you see that?
Alice Walker:
Yes
Alan Turnbull:
“I was aware that Luke would meet Jodi at the school” And the policeman has put “Newbattle high school” in brackets “And either come to her house or take her back to him. Do you see?
Alice Walker:
I see that yes
Isn’t this where the push bike was seen by Gordon [Name removed]?
At the railings of the school?
So what happened to sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike and how was he getting to and from school if his other push bike had a puncture?
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Hopefully Rachel Roll will listen back to what she’s said and give some serious thought to all the nonsense she’s been sold
Referring to Craig Debbie - Rachel Roll stated;
“…when you read the, the news, and the, the, the police done a lot of media briefings which were translated into newspaper articles and you can almost clearly see a sort of divide, so, on the very, the first two weeks want it, you have erm can’t remember his actual name but he’s eh a uniformed officer, so he’s not CID, so he’s talking about erm giving the kids at the Newbattle school, giving them alarms, personal alarms doing all the safety kind of things, make sure the communities looked after erm and they’ve got the divers in they’re doing all this, all the sort of forensic things that you would expect to see but then when that goes back to the CID investigation team, which is erm, not actually that big, you have your main investigator at the top and then you’ve got erm different officers as well, so that gets translated back to them and they decide what to do with that information and if their going down, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson, see when, if you imagine that you’ve got your on the beat bobbies and that, talk to the community, discussing things with them and then you’ve got your CID and the command centre, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson and Marilyn Manson’s obsession with the black dahlia, they’re going down that route whilst they’re been getting all the information that they should be getting and acting on it, so you’re talking about, you’re talking about over 300 uniformed officers stopping people on the street actually doing erm, uh I can’t remember the word for it, when you stop the cars, roadblock, over 300 officers doing that speaking to like everybody in that area, can you imagine the amount of information that comes from that, and what Craig Dobbie, I’m just going to mention him, that’s the senior investigating officer, what he decided was pertinent from those peoples statements was did Luke, did Luke Mitchell like Marilyn Manson, what music did he like, you can see them, you can see this sort of undercurrent, if you are aware that, if you look at the newspapers, looking at it that Luke’s innocent, you can actually see that story emerge, it’s like two stories there isn’t it, and it’s a thread through all the early articles
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Rachel Roll
@Raicheruu
Anyone in Wales get yourself along to this...Michael O'Brien is an excellent speaker. After having so much taken from himself, the amount he still has to give others astounds me everyday! ⚖️💪
@W_S_T_F_L_M
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
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MIchael OBrien One of the Cardiff Newsagent Three
@michael73798531
Nov 22
I will be doing a talk on miscarriages of Justice at the festival in Swansea this weekend and highlighting Lukes case and giving out bookmarkers ect I will be wearing my Luke Mitchell t shirt to highlight his plight. Hope to raise as much awareness as I can.
2:16 PM · Nov 22, 2023
Rachel Roll murderer Michael O’Brien never “cleared” his name like it has been claimed by some parts of the lying mainstream media
Michael O’Brien, his brother-in-law Ellis Sherwood and their pal Darren Hall’s murder convictions were quashed following technicalities of the law
Nothing whatsoever to do with them not having been responsible for their attack on Philip Saunders
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http://swplive.blob.core.windows.net/wordpress-uploads/S731-Report-Operations-Fortitude-and-Resolute-finalised.pdf
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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2000/3.html
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Witnesses who gave evidence during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones
4. Alice Walker https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
5. Steven Kelly https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Fleming - snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
25. Corinne Mitchell - snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
49. Chemistry teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
50. Maths teacher
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
55. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
56. Ben Sole
57. DI Tom Martin
58. Dc Rory Hamilton
59. David Stirling
60. David Suttie
61. Derek Morris
62. Pathologist report for defence
63. Dc Adam Brunton
64. Jonathan Whitaker
65. Pc Anita Dow
66. Dc Stephen Livingston
67. DI Tom Martin
68. Dr Kranti Hiremath
69. Pc Fraser Gaffney
70. Mahasweta Roy
71. Jill Barnes
72. Former partner of Leonard Kelly
73. Friend of David Tullock
Who’s missing from this list
Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren has apparently claimed she also gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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Snippets from Lorraine Fleming’s testimony have been published here 👇https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
Donald Findlay: Can you just begin please by helping us with one or two details just to get them clear in my mind, if nobody else’s Miss Fleming. Can you begin by looking for us on screen production 174, photograph K. Now that what I think you referred to as (incomprehensible) yes?
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Donald Findlay: Newbattle Road?
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Donald Findlay: And there is a wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence, as members of the jury can all see yeah?
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Lorraine Fleming referred to the old wooden gate - a photo of which can be viewed here 👇
Killer Luke Mitchell: False Alibi (Part 8)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-8/
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Why do we criticise the press and tabloids for being unreliable sources for facts, but at the same time willingly attach unquestioning trust to second-hand information provided by one individual?
1:00 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Val Young
@Val540749
So do you now think Luke is guilty? Or are you just in the huff with Scott and Sandra so trying to discredit them? Do you think you’re helping Luke? I see your true colours now your point scoring as you want attention. Your no justice seeker your just an attention seeker
10:55 AM · Nov 26, 2023
https://twitter.com/Val540749/status/1728729154168971595
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Val, Sharon Young was I believe stopped from visiting luke so turned into smearing Sandra who I've not spoken to for nearly a year. Now they think bc they have transcripts(that I encouraged them to get) they will highlight wee discrepancies to gain attention. They have no desire
11:01 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Val Young
@Val540749
Yes it’s very clear they are attention seeking clearly have no desire to help Luke. No one is interested in the transcripts we all know the trial was a complete farce
11:08 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Sharon Young has a subscribed channel that I didn't speak on. Wow
11:13 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
1. It doesn't matter whether you personally are interested in the transcripts - you don't get to speak for others. You are completely ignoring the fact that we were told they weren't available when they are (why?) - by someone who professionaly, should know those processes.
11:14 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
2. As someone who has invested years of time and energy in to this campaign, I have every right not to be happy at the fact I've been regurgitating misinformation - the transcripts don't correlate exactly with what we've been told. Of course I will point that out.
11:17 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's interesting that you are only willing to accept information if it has come from one of the two campaign leaders - you've even felt the need to tag one. He has blocked me, just so you know :)
11:21 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I'm onto those using my name on here to smear me. Last week it was luke knife this week Alice and 'just did'....I repeated that after 3people that were at trial said that verbatim. Then Alice in her statement said thats how she knew to start at Rowans Dyke. 😉
11:11 AM · Nov 26, 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1728733104683004030
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Because they attention seeking trolls. Imagine using Alice W to smear anyone 🤣 the trial itself is corrupt as f, but sharron in her hatred of Sandra leads them to trial transcripts to help luke 🤣🤣🤣
11:30 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Ana Easton another one. Never met or spoke to them but up she pops with her family in tow. These people are out to be 'important' and happy to keep a man in the jail
11:35 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Their hatred for two ppl who've worked hard to fight for luke for 20years oozes out of their posts.
11:52 AM · Nov 26, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Sharron was 'oh Scott thank you so much' not long ago. Told her I wasn't doing it for her. This is her response. A yr ago I had top kc, Forensic team, name and location of swabs, politicans, tabliods and because I left because of groups like this I think it's all disappeared
11:54 AM · Nov 26, 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1728730793193996713
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So many lies in one place. They all seem to want to self sabotage!
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So many lies in one place. They all seem to want to self sabotage!
Fraudster Scott Forbes hasn’t spoken to that other fraudster Sandra Lean “for nearly a year”
Forbes claims he “encouraged” them to get copies of trial transcripts then 29 minutes later it’s because of Sharon’s ‘hatred of Sandra’ Lean
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Not sure what to say other than I'm shocked as to what I keep reading on here.
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Alice Irvine was in an episode of “Convicting A Murderer” & is part of “foulplay - a group of Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey supporters” mentioned here at around 34:50 https://youtu.be/xuPhRlTceX0?feature=shared
Alice Irvine 🏴
@AliceIrvine3
(1)I am sick and tired of the f..kING BULLSHIT drama in the Luke Mitchell community and the Steven and Brendan community 😒 we are all supposed to be fight for the injustices of these men 😒 instead we are fighting amongst ourselves IT NEEDS TO STOP !! No-one is better than the
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Alice Irvine 🏴
@AliceIrvine3
(2) Other.. the name calling is ridiculous and childish 🙄 I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT. I am here to support the guys anyway I can.
Calling Sandra & Scott names DOSE NOT HELP
Saying the transcripts won't help Luke. Yes, that may be TRUE, but it will help others who want to...
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Alice Irvine 🏴
@AliceIrvine3
(3) Understand the trial process and what happened there. I only say this because of experience in the Steven and Brendan case reading those transcripts was eye-opening. YES, some don't care about them. That is FINE, but others do, and that is FINE.. 🙂
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Alice Irvine 🏴
@AliceIrvine3
(4) I am NOT here to take SIDES.
I am NOT here to FIGHT with anyone.
I am NOT here to ARGUE with anyone.
I am NOT here to call people NAMES.
I AM HERE IN THESE COMMUNITIES TO TRY AND HELP GET JUSTICE FOR JODI JONES & LUKE MITCHELL...
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Alice Irvine 🏴
@AliceIrvine3
(5) I AM HERE TO TRY AND HELP GET JUSTICE FOR STEVEN AVERY & BRENDAN DASSEY. No matter how long it takes and it may take years, but I will try and be there till the end, so please STOP with the infighting with each other IT'S NOT HELPING any of the guys PERIOD on any side.
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
There should never have been any drama about transcripts - I only let people know they were available. Dr Sandra Lean didn't have to then publicly tell people they weren't available, when they are. If highlighting facts is considered drama, something isn't quite right there...
4:02 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Fighting for justice isn't a set road though Alice, if those who ask questions and highlight concerns and inconsistencies in the popular narrative are branded as [ censored word ]s and simply causing 'drama', maybe that should raise some red flags...
4:06 PM · Nov 26, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Also, I've never personally called anyone any names - challenging information and narrative is a different thing.
4:08 PM · Nov 26, 2023
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Not sure what to say other than I'm shocked as to what I keep reading on here.
It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.
The transcripts, while very interesting, really don’t change the question over Luke’s guilt. Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.
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Several of the examples in the "Transcript Comparisons" are a bit of a stretch. For example, a German army shirt is not a parka. For another, I thought that the solicitor was tardy in handing over the knife. On the other hand, Shane's testimony under questioning from DF would be informative when it appears. The transcripts change some details, but almost nothing that has appeared so far deals with what are for me the core issues of the case. These include (but are not limited to) lack of forensic transfer between Luke, the lack of a murder weapon, and Jodi, and the abysmal way that the eyewitness testimony was elicited.
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It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.
Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.
As one of Lean’s staunchest supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people? A true criminologist would argue both sides, not defend her position of supporting her friend’s son unconditionally, and should never been taken seriously in the first place.
Maybe Ana Justice is the real criminologist here, but it won’t appeal to the banner making protesters who slavishly follow SL without question.
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As one of Lean’s staunchest supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people? A true criminologist would argue both sides, not defend her position of supporting her friend’s son unconditionally, and should never been taken seriously in the first place.
Maybe Ana Justice is the real criminologist here, but it won’t appeal to the banner making protesters who slavishly follow SL without question.
“ one of Lean’s staunchest supporters”. Do grow up.
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As one of Lean’s supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people?
And you replied in less than 10 minutes. That's staunch.
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Helping To Fight For Justice For Luke Mitchell
@SsherylR8313
You mean the thousands of supporters that Sharon helped get when she created and built from scratch the very first and only "OFFICIAL" Luke Mitchell group on Facebook not to mention the work she done off it while recovering from a heart attack but she still worked non stop. She had the group at almost when she left.
4:37 AM · Nov 21, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Thanks, Sheryl yeah the group was at almost 9.2 when I left the projection was 10k by July as I was bringing in those tedious welcome posts with 30-40 people a week. It's now at 8.9k
12:43 AM · Nov 24, 2023
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 22nd August 2019
The girl lived in Kenmore, which is, in fact, over two hours' drive from Newbattle, where Luke lived (for some reason, having been there many times in my younger days, I thought it was just over an hour away).
Luke still spoke with her on the phone, but they had not been together physically since New Year 2003 - he and Jodi got together around the end of March, beginning of April that year.
There was no evidence that Jodi knew about Luke's previous relationship with her and an intended holiday to Kenmore in the summer of 2003 had been cancelled by Corinne prior to Jodi's death - Luke and Jodi were supposed to be at a sleepover in Midlothian the weekend after the murder to celebrate a friend's birthday.
The judge said, at Luke's sentencing, Jodi left "joyfully" to meet him that evening. Her mother said Jodi was "chuffed" to be getting out to see Luke. Jodi indicated in her diary that she would be devastated if Luke finished with her - it seems reasonable to assume she'd be equally distraught if she found out Luke was cheating on her, yet there were no signs of her being disturbed or upset in any way on the afternoon of June 30th, before she left home.
The theory about Jodi finding out about the other girlfriend and the ensuing fight getting out of hand was dreamed up by SIO Dobbie, but the interrogating officer in the Section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 (six weeks after the murder) was trying to suggest that Luke killed Jodi in a fit of jealousy that she might be cheating on him (even though, again, there was no evidence to support such a suggestion).
So, if Luke was cheating on Jodi and she found out, what reason would there be for Luke to kill her? It's not as if they were an adult married couple where Luke potentially stood to lose property, business, money etc in a messy divorce settlement - they were 14 years old. He wouldn't have suffered any of the more extreme emotions - betrayal, devastation, etc, because he was the one doing the cheating in this scenario.
In my opinion, the only way this theory is even remotely credible is if it was the other way around and Luke discovered Jodi was cheating on him. Even then, it's very, very unlikely
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=4
There was more than one “other girlfriend”
What exactly did this “interrogating officer” say to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in the section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 about Jodi Jones allegedly “cheating” on him?
Was “Butch” mentioned?
Jill Barnes - Facebook 6th April 2021
Butch was a nickname of a guy in her year at school, also a good friend of hers and a good friend of mine. Jodi always fancied Butch it was a known fact to all of us. Nothing ever happened between them, there was no love triangle only a crush like most girls did lol
Cath Black
Jill Barnes did she smoke weed at lunchtimes with him too do you know
Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah, there were a group who hung around the China Gardens. I used to go down and meet Butch some lunch times. X
Cath Black
Jill Barnes cool so you knew jodi aswell x
Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah xx
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Fraudster Scott Forbes hasn’t spoken to that other fraudster Sandra Lean “for nearly a year”
Forbes claims he “encouraged” them to get copies of trial transcripts then 29 minutes later it’s because of Sharon’s ‘hatred of Sandra’ Lean
His comments seem to be arguing with himself.
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It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.
The transcripts, while very interesting, really don’t change the question over Luke’s guilt. Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.
I agree 100 per cent with all you have stated. I haven't seen any of the transcript info, just the comments on here.
I will have a look tomorrow when I have some time
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At around 1:55 here https://youtu.be/FV5efbD5Ahk?feature=shared
James English asks what sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s alibi was
Scammer Sandra Lean comes out with her usual nonsense then stated;
“Can he back that alibi up other than his mum and his brother, to an extent yes because phone calls were made from and received on the landline, and we can prove for certain where his mother was, and it was not at home, and we can prove for certain where his brother was, and it was not at home, somebody had to be in the house making calls and receiving calls on that landline”
Zero calls made from the Mitchell’s landline between 4:01pm - 9:57pm (production number 202)
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And you replied in less than 10 minutes. That's staunch.
Dear oh dear.
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Several of the examples in the "Transcript Comparisons" are a bit of a stretch. For example, a German army shirt is not a parka. For another, I thought that the solicitor was tardy in handing over the knife. On the other hand, Shane's testimony under questioning from DF would be informative when it appears. The transcripts change some details, but almost nothing that has appeared so far deals with what are for me the core issues of the case. These include (but are not limited to) lack of forensic transfer between Luke, the lack of a murder weapon, and Jodi, and the abysmal way that the eyewitness testimony was elicited.
Missing the point. The transcripts and comparisons are there to show the deception not prove guilt, the bloggers making it clear their stance has always been around innocence. However, it has made them re-think, and rightly so, around everything that has been in place directly from Ms Lean and co. Which most sensible people would and should do. You like many others will see the why, of course you will, in place to gain attention and support for LM, it in no way makes it right or acceptable.
Strong points, aren't they? No forensic evidence, no murder weapon found, nothing upon the victim pointing this murder to a another, the eye witness stuff is something you simply do not hold any favour with at all. Those alone are enough for you to believe that LM is innocent (not alone), that the case could not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. - Why therefore do you think that Ms Lean has had to lie repeatedly? More so, do you think that it has been morally right for her to do so? I note you decried JaJ's for clarifying something in her statements, applying a clear level of dishonesty to it, but nothing of the people who have been blatantly lying about her?
JaJ's, and not leaving aside that any changes were before the Jury. Her sister has just been found dead, she is given probably one of her shortest statements to the police and notes this "everyone in hysterics" This shorter statement where one is asked to expand upon later, we know this because it says they were considerably longer. She gives descriptions then of people individually, now out of everything she has been saying, shown in court, she agrees with, but adamant that her alteration still stood, it is exactly how they all were - Why would the police want expansion on this?
Can you pull up where LM said he was in hysterics? AW, SK, emergency services, police etc? Point being, when other people witnessed something different, it fits with her clarifications, doesn't it? Doesn't say at all that she was lying, far from it. Not to forget that DF was attempting to show something, anything from his client against the myriad of other evidence to the contrary. I'm pointing out what the Jury may have taken from those alterations. Faith and signing something off, just how much was she really taken in when handed a piece of paper to sign? Not everyone was calm and collective like LM, were they now?
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Missing the point. The transcripts and comparisons are there to show the deception not prove guilt, the bloggers making it clear their stance has always been around innocence. However, it has made them re-think, and rightly so, around everything that has been in place directly from Ms Lean and co. Which most sensible people would and should do. You like many others will see the why, of course you will, in place to gain attention and support for LM, it in no way makes it right or acceptable.
Strong points, aren't they? No forensic evidence, no murder weapon found, nothing upon the victim pointing this murder to a another, the eye witness stuff is something you simply do not hold any favour with at all. Those alone are enough for you to believe that LM is innocent (not alone), that the case could not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. - Why therefore do you think that Ms Lean has had to lie repeatedly? More so, do you think that it has been morally right for her to do so? I note you decried JaJ's for clarifying something in her statements, applying a clear level of dishonesty to it, but nothing of the people who have been blatantly lying about her?
JaJ's, and not leaving aside that any changes were before the Jury. Her sister has just been found dead, she is given probably one of her shortest statements to the police and notes this "everyone in hysterics" This shorter statement where one is asked to expand upon later, we know this because it says they were considerably longer. She gives descriptions then of people individually, now out of everything she has been saying, shown in court, she agrees with, but adamant that her alteration still stood, it is exactly how they all were - Why would the police want expansion on this?
Can you pull up where LM said he was in hysterics? AW, SK, emergency services, police etc? Point being, when other people witnessed something different, it fits with her clarifications, doesn't it? Doesn't say at all that she was lying, far from it. Not to forget that DF was attempting to show something, anything from his client against the myriad of other evidence to the contrary. I'm pointing out what the Jury may have taken from those alterations. Faith and signing something off, just how much was she really taken in when handed a piece of paper to sign? Not everyone was calm and collective like LM, were they now?
Take Dr Lean out of the equation, I know it’s difficult but do try, and what have we learned so far from the transcripts? Shane Mitchell was indeed looking at porn sites and the search party all seem to have been blighted with the same amnestic syndrome.
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Jill Barnes - Facebook 6th April 2021
Butch was a nickname of a guy in her year at school, also a good friend of hers and a good friend of mine. Jodi always fancied Butch it was a known fact to all of us. Nothing ever happened between them, there was no love triangle only a crush like most girls did lol
Cath Black
Jill Barnes did she smoke weed at lunchtimes with him too do you know
Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah, there were a group who hung around the China Gardens. I used to go down and meet Butch some lunch times. X
Cath Black
Jill Barnes cool so you knew jodi aswell x
Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah xx
What did Jill Barnes tell the jury does anyone know?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.
Money & fame
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.
It’s yet more of the innocence fraud phenomenon - which many “miscarriages of justice” phenomenon cases/campaigns are
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
8((()*/
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Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.
Conspicuously absent, unless known otherwise, is an explanation from Sandra Lean, as regards the related misinformation and any attempted reconciliation.
Surely this was and remains imperative, yet not being addressed by those, who seemingly advocate that Sandra Lean and the campaign have been betrayed, by others providing factual evidence, because Sandra Lean proclaimed it was not possible and this undermines Sandra Lean?
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
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Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.
Conspicuously absent, unless known otherwise, is an explanation from Sandra Lean, as regards the related misinformation and any attempted reconciliation.
Surely this was and remains imperative, yet not being addressed by those, who seemingly advocate that Sandra Lean and the campaign have been betrayed, by others providing factual evidence, because Sandra Lean proclaimed it was not possible and this undermines Sandra Lean?
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
Did you read scammer Sandra Lean’s 1st innocence fraud book?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
The lyric came from a song, popular or otherwise. I think the point here is that it wasn’t a product of Luke's ‘warped thinking’. It’s prejudicial value therefore must be called into question.
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Take Dr Lean out of the equation, I know it’s difficult but do try, and what have we learned so far from the transcripts?
THE TRUTH.
Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!
That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come. That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?
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Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.
To date, do you know how much has been spent on obtaining trial transcripts “at a personal, financial outlay” and why only two (Alice Walker & Steven Kelly’s) full trial testimony’s have been published?
What is the point of obtaining trial transcripts “at a personal, financial outlay” to then seemingly do nothing with them?
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Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.
Whoever is publishing the snippets of trial testimony which have been obtained “at a personal, financial outlay” doesn’t appear to be familiar with many of the facts of the case
For example here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html a couple of pages of testimony from Lorraine Fleming have been published
At the bottom of the last page Donald Findlay mentions the “wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence”
This was where Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh spotted sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
The gate was photographed back in 2009 and has been reproduced here👇
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Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Laughable Eye Witness Testimony; Carol Heatlie, Rosemary Walsh, Lorraine Fleming, Andrina Bryson, Marion O’Sullivan, Derek Hamilton, Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston, Grant Elliot & The Jogger “Trick” (Part 43)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.126 of her betraying the innocent nonsense of a book
“In Rosemary Walsh’s first statement on 8th July, a week after the murder, she said she arrived at Lorraine Fleming’s house between 20 and 25 past 5pm to take her shopping. As she drove down the hill on the Newbattle Road, her sister- in-law “pointed out someone standing by a wooden gate about 10 – 15 yards past the entrance to Roan’s Dyke path.”
She described the person as being aged between 14 and 17, about 5’6’’ to 5’7,’’ but that it was “hard to tell because he was leaning on the gate”. He had dark hair which may have been wet or had something like gel on it – straight, straggly looking hair. She was unable to say if he had a fringe or parting at all and she could not see his face because of his hair, which was between chin and shoulder length. His jacket was dark, hip length and might have been waterproof - she could not offer any further description – she was not sure if it was open or closed and could not say if it had a hood. She continued, “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka, but that’s really just because of the length.” The trousers were black, baggy and “like jeans”. He was wearing dark footwear, but she was not sure if they were shoes or trainers. Two hundred yards along the road, she and Lorraine Fleming saw a jogger running towards the bridge on the Newbattle Road. They assumed the jogger had run past the youth. She believed the time was about quarter to six.
On the day Rosemary Walsh made her first witness statement (8th July 2003) sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went into Edinburgh to buy a replacement parka jacket from FLIP
Therefore neither women could have been aware of the replacement parka jacket from FLIP when they first spoke to the police
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell wasn’t photographed by the media in his replacement parka until mid August 2003
Yet there is no mention of the above in the authors blurb here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
The author wrote “Did Luke have a Parka?”
How would Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh know about the killers replacement parka jacket if it had yet to be purchased from FLIP?
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I've had IF for years, that's about the standard. I block them all
10:07 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Diane Nolan
@DianeNolan1
Just going by the interactions I had with them yesterday, they have nothing to say but scream it anyway.
10:09 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
They now have a group buying court transcripts to try and score points. Seriously ive had them for years.
10:11 AM · Nov 27, 2023
IF = Innocence Fraud
Why would scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes choose to hide trial transcripts from the public they are knowingly choosing to attempt to dupe?
What have the pair of fraudsters done with the money from their book sales and “buy me a coffee” donations and all else?
How much were each of them paid to appear in the channel 5 TV show?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
The BBC have put out a lot of innocence fraud TV shows
What did the police say during sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell trial about the lyrics from “Infernäl Mäjesty” ?
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It was my idea to get the transcripts after a friend who has nothing to do with the campaign told me they should be available. I only ever spoke to Mr Forbes once, transcripts were never mentioned. This man is not a truth teller.
10:42 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
We left the cult, now we are being smeared and lies are being told. Standard stuff.
10:44 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers (which includes his mother Corinne Mitchell and charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean) have been smearing people and telling lies since 2003
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It was my idea to get the transcripts after a friend who has nothing to do with the campaign told me they should be available. I only ever spoke to Mr Forbes once, transcripts were never mentioned. This man is not a truth teller.
10:42 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Which charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean always knew!
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
We left the cult, now we are being smeared and lies are being told. Standard stuff.
10:44 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his toxic enablers (which includes his mother Corinne Mitchell and charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean) have been smearing people and telling lies since 2003
Are you sure?
“In a cult setting, cognitive dissonance often “keeps you trapped as each compromise makes it more painful to admit you’ve been deceived”
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-psychology-behind-cults
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The phrase "popular computer games and songs" can be read as meaning that the computer games were popular, not necessarily the songs. I think that the lyrics in question sound like something that the band "Deathtöngue" from the comic strip Bloom County would sing.
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THE TRUTH.
Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!
That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come. That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?
8((()*/
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THE TRUTH.
Which is a lot more than SM masturbating to porn. That LM's dog had naff all to do with leading him or anyone to the victims body. That clear time scale from starting off to LM being in the woodland shouting out he had found his something. That he had went directly to the V break in the wall, from the first accounts all the way through. That once in that woodland he had barely moved from the V itself. Spare the further scraping with "searching about" They continued to walk down the path as he entered the woodland, conclusion that he was searching in there, whilst they were walking past that point. Could not see through that wall. He had shouted out "behind them" and closer to AW. When she stood back there he was, when they had ran back that short distance there he was. He had barely moved - Conclusion, he did not have to for he already knew what lay 'down there, 5ft in' behind his "large oak tree" with the bobble and all else! We saw just how close SK had to go, then we had AW all the way, who still did not see what LM claimed he did from over 30ft away! Of AW, the obstacles in the way, nothing straightforward, LM mere seconds!
That AW had not moved nor cradled the body of her grandchild, and on the deception goes. And there is still more to come. That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?
Steven Kelly didn’t notice the socks - did he?
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Blatant & Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/
Does anyone know the exact date Grace McLean spoke with the murderer?
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Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
Who out of Alice Walker, Steven Kelly and Janine Jones said Alice was held back ?
Alice Walker did not scramble over any wall by all accounts, she was helped over by Steven Kelly on the one side and sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
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Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
This was another of sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell’s concoctions
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Does anyone know the exact date Grace McLean spoke with the murderer?
Grace McLean
“I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer”
What date was this?
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Whoever is publishing the snippets of trial testimony which have been obtained “at a personal, financial outlay” doesn’t appear to be familiar with many of the facts of the case
For example here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html a couple of pages of testimony from Lorraine Fleming have been published
At the bottom of the last page Donald Findlay mentions the “wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence”
This was where Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh spotted sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
The gate was photographed back in 2009 and has been reproduced here👇
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Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Laughable Eye Witness Testimony; Carol Heatlie, Rosemary Walsh, Lorraine Fleming, Andrina Bryson, Marion O’Sullivan, Derek Hamilton, Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston, Grant Elliot & The Jogger “Trick” (Part 43)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated on p.126 of her betraying the innocent nonsense of a book
“In Rosemary Walsh’s first statement on 8th July, a week after the murder, she said she arrived at Lorraine Fleming’s house between 20 and 25 past 5pm to take her shopping. As she drove down the hill on the Newbattle Road, her sister- in-law “pointed out someone standing by a wooden gate about 10 – 15 yards past the entrance to Roan’s Dyke path.”
She described the person as being aged between 14 and 17, about 5’6’’ to 5’7,’’ but that it was “hard to tell because he was leaning on the gate”. He had dark hair which may have been wet or had something like gel on it – straight, straggly looking hair. She was unable to say if he had a fringe or parting at all and she could not see his face because of his hair, which was between chin and shoulder length. His jacket was dark, hip length and might have been waterproof - she could not offer any further description – she was not sure if it was open or closed and could not say if it had a hood. She continued, “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka, but that’s really just because of the length.” The trousers were black, baggy and “like jeans”. He was wearing dark footwear, but she was not sure if they were shoes or trainers. Two hundred yards along the road, she and Lorraine Fleming saw a jogger running towards the bridge on the Newbattle Road. They assumed the jogger had run past the youth. She believed the time was about quarter to six.
On the day Rosemary Walsh made her first witness statement (8th July 2003) sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went into Edinburgh to buy a replacement parka jacket from FLIP
Therefore neither women could have been aware of the replacement parka jacket from FLIP when they first spoke to the police
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell wasn’t photographed by the media in his replacement parka until mid August 2003
Yet there is no mention of the above in the authors blurb here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
The author wrote “Did Luke have a Parka?”
How would Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh know about the killers replacement parka jacket if it had yet to be purchased from FLIP?
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell and his lying mother Corinne Mitchell went to FLIP in edninburgh on the 8th or 9th of July 2003
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Several of the examples in the "Transcript Comparisons" are a bit of a stretch. For example, a German army shirt is not a parka.
Rosemary Walsh clearly referred to a parka jacket
8th July 2003 - “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11976.msg708875#msg708875
Rosemary Walsh made her police witness statement before sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell bought the replacement parka in FLIP
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Missing the point. The transcripts and comparisons are there to show the deception not prove guilt, the bloggers making it clear their stance has always been around innocence. However, it has made them re-think, and rightly so, around everything that has been in place directly from Ms Lean and co. Which most sensible people would and should do. You like many others will see the why, of course you will, in place to gain attention and support for LM, it in no way makes it right or acceptable.
Strong points, aren't they? No forensic evidence, no murder weapon found, nothing upon the victim pointing this murder to a another, the eye witness stuff is something you simply do not hold any favour with at all. Those alone are enough for you to believe that LM is innocent (not alone), that the case could not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. - Why therefore do you think that Ms Lean has had to lie repeatedly? More so, do you think that it has been morally right for her to do so? I note you decried JaJ's for clarifying something in her statements, applying a clear level of dishonesty to it, but nothing of the people who have been blatantly lying about her?
JaJ's, and not leaving aside that any changes were before the Jury. Her sister has just been found dead, she is given probably one of her shortest statements to the police and notes this "everyone in hysterics" This shorter statement where one is asked to expand upon later, we know this because it says they were considerably longer. She gives descriptions then of people individually, now out of everything she has been saying, shown in court, she agrees with, but adamant that her alteration still stood, it is exactly how they all were - Why would the police want expansion on this?
Can you pull up where LM said he was in hysterics? AW, SK, emergency services, police etc? Point being, when other people witnessed something different, it fits with her clarifications, doesn't it? Doesn't say at all that she was lying, far from it. Not to forget that DF was attempting to show something, anything from his client against the myriad of other evidence to the contrary. I'm pointing out what the Jury may have taken from those alterations. Faith and signing something off, just how much was she really taken in when handed a piece of paper to sign? Not everyone was calm and collective like LM, were they now?
There’s nothing of Alice Walker scrambling over the wall either and Alice Walker never ”cradled” her grand-daughter Jodi Jones as her killer claimed to Grace McLean
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Grace McLean
“I interviewed Mitchell months before he had been charged with the murder of Jodi, and days after he had been questioned by detectives hunting for her killer”
What date was this?
Grace McLean stated;
“Aged 15 at the time, the Luke Mitchell in front of me was an adult in everything but name.
Chain smoking and dressed in baggy jeans and a dark-coloured T-shirt, he exuded confidence bordering on arrogance.
This would have been days after his 14th August 2003 police interview
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Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
Open Your Eyes To The Continuous Blatant & Bare Faced Lies & Manipulation Of Scammer Sandra Lean On Sadistic Dalkeith Murderer - “Isn’t it amazing how quickly we forget” (Part 266)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/24/killer-luke-mitchell-open-your-eyes-to-the-continuous-bare-faced-lies-of-scammer-sandra-lean-on-sadistic-dalkeith-murderer-her-new-shop-front-part-266/
Grace McLean
“As his story unfolded, it was clear he was a master of manipulation. His story was just too word-perfect. It was also, as has now transpired, a tissue of lies
‘He said police took a lock knife from him after being tipped off by friends
“The bloke who said this is a fantasist. Another of his friends told police Jodi and I were arguing all the time. But that's not true. We never had a cross word”.”
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Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I've had IF for years, that's about the standard. I block them all
10:07 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Diane Nolan
@DianeNolan1
Just going by the interactions I had with them yesterday, they have nothing to say but scream it anyway.
10:09 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
They now have a group buying court transcripts to try and score points. Seriously ive had them for years.
10:11 AM · Nov 27, 2023
Diane Nolan
@DianeNolan1
That's what I didn't understand about them saying transcripts weren't available, at that time transcripts were given to both lawyers, so we're available. Not so now, which in my opinion is a disgrace and an affront to justice. They must be spending a fortune.
11:52 AM · Nov 27, 2023
*&^^&
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Grace McLean
“As his story unfolded, it was clear he was a master of manipulation. His story was just too word-perfect. It was also, as has now transpired, a tissue of lies
‘He said police took a lock knife from him after being tipped off by friends
“The bloke who said this is a fantasist. Another of his friends told police Jodi and I were arguing all the time. But that's not true. We never had a cross word”.”
In reality it was sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell who was/is a fantasist
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Rosemary Walsh clearly referred to a parka jacket
8th July 2003 - “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
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http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11976.msg708875#msg708875
Rosemary Walsh made her police witness statement before sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell bought the replacement parka in FLIP
So Rosemary Walsh’s evidence of having seen sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket at around 5:40pm on 30th June 2003 could NOT have been tainted by any photograph’s which were published by mainstream media in mid August 2003
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Why didn’t sadistic killer Luke Mitchell phone 999 as soon as he allegedly saw Jodi Jones body?
If as he claimed
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
Why did he wait until Steven Kelly and Alice Walker climbed through the V and why did he stay on the woodland side when the police phoned him on his mobile to find out where he was?
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Why didn’t sadistic killer Luke Mitchell phone 999 as soon as he allegedly saw Jodi Jones body?
Why did he wait until Steven Kelly and Alice Walker climbed through the V and why did he stay on the woodland side when the police phoned him on his mobile to find out where he was?
Also
Why did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell answer his mobile when the police called him - while he was standing on the other side of the V + but ignored his mother Corinne Mitchell’s phone calls?
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Steven Kelly didn’t notice the socks - did he?
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
If Steven Kelly had noticed the socks and mentioned these to the police in his statements, wouldn’t Donald Findlay have highlighted this point to the jury - in an attempt to support what his client had alleged he had seen (and bragged to Grace McLean about) at around 11:30pm on that evening?
Full trial testimony of Steven Kelly https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
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Facebook: July '21'
Sandra Lean
They are, presumably, referring to the
page numbers of the statements after
they are typed up consecutively for
the case papers. But it's an odd
request, since p1184 is halfway
through one of Janine's statements!!!.
If they are referring to trial transcripts
p21 - 11184, that covers the period 29th
November to 14th Dec - eyewitnesses,
the Mitchells' neighbours and the
search trio.
None of these are available to the public.
Stephan McNally
Sandra Lean thank you Sandra glad.
your still here.
Been spinning that yarn for sometime, and as we seen with BR. still spinning it.
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Facebook: July '21'
Sandra Lean
They are, presumably, referring to the
page numbers of the statements after
they are typed up consecutively for
the case papers. But it's an odd
request, since p1184 is halfway
through one of Janine's statements!!!.
If they are referring to trial transcripts
p21 - 11184, that covers the period 29th
November to 14th Dec - eyewitnesses,
the Mitchells' neighbours and the
search trio.
None of these are available to the public.
Stephan McNally
Sandra Lean thank you Sandra glad.
your still here.
Been spinning that yarn for sometime, and as we seen with BR. still spinning it.
Bob Ruff is another innocence fraudster who’s popularity took a nose dive sometime ago. This fact possibly wasn’t known about by those people who chose to contact Ruff over killer Luke Mitchell’s fraudulent spin campaign
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THE TRUTH.....
That you with many more, have promoted the lies told, that false narrative, repeatedly over time. Who have the cheek now to say one should not have simply looked to DR Lean for information, when she is the very person you have mimicked for years, her alter ego. - You want to take her out the equation?
Every transcript that has come out shows Lean has lied or manipulated information for her own ends. The fact she claimed the transcripts were not publicly available or too expensive is more lies. She has lied from day one saying she got a note through her door when CM was a already a visitor to her new age shop.
Quote from: Bullseye on May 20, 2023, 03:11:39 PM
Yeah I’m not sure she would share it either but going by the other people that interviewed her and Scott they have seen bits and Bobs. If Sandra truly believes the evidence she has speaks for itself then she should have no problem sharing the information.
Or perhaps Dr Lean is being absolutely honest and legally can’t supply the information requested? It’s interesting though that if the information is available to the public then no one has produced one statement in the last 20 years that refutes anything that Dr Lean has said. (faithlilly)
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Facebook: July '21'
Sandra Lean
They are, presumably, referring to the
page numbers of the statements after
they are typed up consecutively for
the case papers. But it's an odd
request, since p1184 is halfway
through one of Janine's statements!!!.
If they are referring to trial transcripts
p21 - 11184, that covers the period 29th
November to 14th Dec - eyewitnesses,
the Mitchells' neighbours and the
search trio.
None of these are available to the public.
“Liked” by 13 people including that creepy man Ron Mothersole
Ron Mothersole
Sandra Lean your Ace
Ron Mothersole
Sandra Lean please pm
Do you think she sent him a PM?
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Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
“My torch lit up the path like daytime and I was about 12 yards from Jodi when I saw her lying there
She was so white. Her throat had been slit and her head was to the side
“Her eyes were staring up at me and she was naked but for a pair of socks, I think... no, she wasn't wearing anything. Her body was so white and she was just staring and staring
“I shouted to the others but I couldn't tell them I'd found Jodi because I didn't want to upset her gran, but she said she wanted to come over the wall
“The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
Why did sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell choose to lie like this about Alice Walker in August 2003 and what exactly was he telling other people around this time?
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Every transcript that has come out shows Lean has lied or manipulated information for her own ends. The fact she claimed the transcripts were not publicly available or too expensive is more lies. She has lied from day one saying she got a note through her door when CM was a already a visitor to her new age shop.
Yep
Every time Sandra Lean opens her mouth she lies
All these notes through her door - like the one from Corinne Mitchell allegedly on her daughters birthday 🙄
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Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell to Grace McLean;
““The others held her back but she scrambled over the wall and said if her granddaugher was there she wanted to be with her
“She sat down beside Jodi and cradled her in her arms“
Why did sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell choose to lie like this about Alice Walker in August 2003 and what exactly was he telling other people around this time?
Sandra Lean - Facebook 1st February 2023
Kirk Mulholland Each of the searchers - Luke, SK and AW went down in the direction of Jodi's body alone, so there was no-one else to see what they said, did, or saw (I mention "saw" because nobody, other than Luke, can say what he saw, since he was the first to go down, and, we now know that there's a possibility the gran moved Jodi to the position she was in when the police arrived. That would, of course, have been different to the position Luke originally saw her in.)
There's very little detail in the statements about what happened behind the wall - the police were more interested in checking what could be seen from specific distances (to try to claim Luke couldn't have seen Jodi from where he said he did).
*&^^&
What absolute nonsense!
Sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell did not see anything at around 11:30pm!
He pretended to Steven Kelly, Alice Walker, Janine Jones and then the police that he had
In reality he more than likely didn’t go anywhere near Jodi Jones after he left her body earlier in the evening
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”Shane Mitchell 10/01/05 transcript - day one of three”
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“Shane Mitchell full transcript 12/01/2005 (day two of Shane's evidence)”
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“Shane Mitchell full transcript 12/01/2005 (day two of Shane's evidence)”
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Oh look - Shane Mitchell phoned home at 16:04pm and spoke to his brother
Max’s house in Rosewell
Was it Max or Allen who had a 17-18 year old sister?
So Shane Mitchell did not repair any car on the 30th June 2003 because the car owner had taken the car somewhere else to be repaired
*&^^&
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Scammer Sandra Lean p.99 of her 2nd innocence fraud book;
“When he was asked why he moved, John F erris gave two conflicting accounts. In one, he said his Gran told him Joseph was “going to batter him.” In another, he said Luke’s brother, Shane, had threatened
to “batter” him. If either were true, they would amount to the very serious offence of witness intimidation. But what reasons might there be for either Shane or Joseph wanting to inflict physical violence on John F erris?
It was Shane Mitchell who went after John F erris
Shane Mitchell attacked John F erris outside the court in Edinburgh
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Excerpt from Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud book IB (p.313)
DC: A witness has seen a burgundy coloured Frontera parked at the bottom of Roan’s Dyke path... inquiry has been done with all local keepers of Fronteras. All of them except your mum have been accounted for their movements that night... according to you, your mum was in the house at the time. Was your mum’s Frontera at the bottom of the ... lane?
Shane: I don’t know
DC: You don’t know? I don’t think so. You’ve already told me your mum was in the house, remember?
Shane: I didn’t say I saw the car.
*&^^&
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“Shane Mitchell full transcript 12/01/2005 (day two of Shane's evidence)”
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Alan Turnbull:
Well you said two or three different things there Mr Mitchell and I want to look at them. If you had gone down and seen your brother, you would have realised that you’d had a close shave. In that he might have disturbed you?
Shane Mitchell:
Not necessarily
Alan Turnbull:
What d’you mean?
Shane Mitchell:
He could have come in with my mother. I don’t have a very good recollection of that days events because of what happened immediately after it
Does Shane Mitchell mean when he allegedly helped his brother sort a torch out
Oh look
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And what we’d looked at just a moment or two ago was that you did have a telephone call and about 5 past 4 with your brother at home
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And at that time you were on your way to help your friend with his car
Shane Mitchell: Uh huh
Alan Turnbull: Right. And now on the exactly the same point I want you to look at pahe 139 please?
Shane Mitchell: Okay
Alan Turnbull: In the middle of the page you’ll see the question “Right did you see Shane”?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Answer “He wasn’t in, so I’d say no” Mother “Did he not give you the torch”
Answer “Aye, that’s when I went out looking for Jodi, not at this point” Question “Right, so Shane wasn’t in at this point” Answer “Yeah, Shane wasn’t in the house when I left, no” Do you see that?
Shane Mitchell: Yes, I see that
What a bunch of lying *******!!
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Alan Turnbull:
Well you said two or three different things there Mr Mitchell and I want to look at them. If you had gone down and seen your brother, you would have realised that you’d had a close shave. In that he might have disturbed you?
Shane Mitchell:
Not necessarily
Alan Turnbull:
What d’you mean?
Shane Mitchell:
He could have come in with my mother. I don’t have a very good recollection of that days events because of what happened immediately after it
Does Shane Mitchell mean when he allegedly helped his brother sort a torch out
Oh look
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And what we’d looked at just a moment or two ago was that you did have a telephone call and about 5 past 4 with your brother at home
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And at that time you were on your way to help your friend with his car
Shane Mitchell: Uh huh
Alan Turnbull: Right. And now on the exactly the same point I want you to look at pahe 139 please?
Shane Mitchell: Okay
Alan Turnbull: In the middle of the page you’ll see the question “Right did you see Shane”?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Answer “He wasn’t in, so I’d say no” Mother “Did he not give you the torch”
Answer “Aye, that’s when I went out looking for Jodi, not at this point” Question “Right, so Shane wasn’t in at this point” Answer “Yeah, Shane wasn’t in the house when I left, no” Do you see that?
Shane Mitchell: Yes, I see that
What a bunch of lying *******!!
As if it can’t get worse
Alan Turnbull: We’ve got some way to go with all of this Mr Mitchell, but I want you to reflect on the question of whether Luke was there when you went down. Would you do that?
Shane Mitchell: Okay
Alan Turnbull: And what’s your answer at this stage?
Shane Mitchell: To the question (incomprehensible)
Alan Turnbull: To the question of whether Luke was there when you went down?
Shane Mitchell: I can’t give you a definite answer
Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?
Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir
*&^^&
What a complete and utter moron Shane Mitchell sounds like
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“Shane Mitchell full transcript 12/01/2005 (day two of Shane's evidence)”
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”Shane Mitchell full transcript 13/01/2005 (day three of Shane's evidence)”
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Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?
Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir
*&^^&
How obnoxious!
And without a doubt picked up by the jury
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”Shane Mitchell full transcript 13/01/2005 (day three of Shane's evidence)”
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Shane “It’s not my place to think sir” Mitchell suddenly gets his memory back when he was arrested for attempting to pervert the course of justice
*&^^&
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“Shane Mitchell full transcript 12/01/2005 (day two of Shane's evidence)”
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So Shane Mitchell did not repair any car on the 30th June 2003 because the car owner had taken the car somewhere else to be repaired
Shane Mitchell told the jury on the Monday he didn’t repair his friends car on the 30th June 2003 because the car had been taken elsewhere to be repaired
”Shane Mitchell full transcript 13/01/2005 (day three of Shane's evidence)”
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Yet on the Wednesday he’s telling the jury
Shane Mitchell: I’m always working on peoples cars
Then he says he’s got a sore throat and needs to use the restroom
Was that because he realised he was slipping up?
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”Shane Mitchell full transcript 13/01/2005 (day three of Shane's evidence)”
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Donald Findlay: But as we all know of course, thereafter not only did it cease to be a mundane day, but a whole series of terrible events happened?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Donald Findlay: In the days and weeks thereafter
Shane Mitchell: Yes, but I didn’t have any inkling as to what was go8ng on until much later on that night, even then
Donald Findlay: Well let me try and find out. When was it that you got an inkling that there was what might perhaps be a serious matter?
Shane Mitchell: When I got woken up from my sleep by a phone call
Donald Findlay: Do you know when that was?
Shane Mitchell: No I’m sorry (incomprehensible) clock (incomprehensible)
Donald Findlay: Was that your mum?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Nothing about that torch then
*&^^&
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Donald Findlay: But as we all know of course, thereafter not only did it cease to be a mundane day, but a whole series of terrible events happened?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Donald Findlay: In the days and weeks thereafter
Shane Mitchell: Yes, but I didn’t have any inkling as to what was go8ng on until much later on that night, even then
Donald Findlay: Well let me try and find out. When was it that you got an inkling that there was what might perhaps be a serious matter?
Shane Mitchell: When I got woken up from my sleep by a phone call
Donald Findlay: Do you know when that was?
Shane Mitchell: No I’m sorry (incomprehensible) clock (incomprehensible)
Donald Findlay: Was that your mum?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Nothing about that torch then
*&^^&
Hmm
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Why did Shane Mitchell drive to Dreghorn for gas when the police station was only a minute or two drive away?
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Shane Mitchell told the jury on the Monday he didn’t repair his friends car on the 30th June 2003 because the car had been taken elsewhere to be repaired
Yet on the Wednesday he’s telling the jury
Shane Mitchell: I’m always working on peoples cars
Then he says he’s got a sore throat and needs to use the restroom
Was that because he realised he was slipping up?
..and later on, on the Thursday, he was no longer masturbating..
What a mess
And totally unbelievable!
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..and later on, on the Thursday, he was no longer masturbating..
What a mess
And totally unbelievable!
Shane Mitchell is shifty AF
Shane Mitchell: Well see the days I was interviewed by the police were quite memorable
Alan Tutnbull: Uh huh
Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time
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Why did Shane Mitchell drive to Dreghorn for gas when the police station was only a minute or two drive away?
Dreghorn?
Oxgangs is a suburb in the south-west of Edinburgh, Scotland. Surrounding districts include Caiystane, Dreghorn, Redford, Fairmilehead, Colinton and Swanston and Colinton Mains.
Why did SM travel into Oxgangs later that evening, after 9pm to get fuel? As this is why he said he travelled there, to fuel up the car? - Are there any scrap merchants near Oxgangs that SM used? A mechanic having access to this place? Why Oxgangs for fuel? there were many other stations to get fuel? Tesco just up the road? Was SM disposing of evidence? Why was CM's car spotted elsewhere? Was SM driving it? When she claimed to be home all evening? What are these new claims that her car was at the West end of this path later that evening? only being heard now? - Why are we not hearing about these reports from these witness's who came forward?
Sounds like Shane Mitchell went to get gas even later than 9pm
Why did he need to get fuel when he only had such a short distance to drive? - Dalkeith police station was only a 2-3 minute drive
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The 9:57pm call from the Mitchell’s landline telephone was to a number in Bathgate
The 9:57pm was made by Shane Mitchell
Shane said he didn’t hear the news about Jodi Jones until his mother Corinne Mitchell phoned him and woke him up to take clothes to the police station
Why didn’t Shane Mitchell see killer Luke Mitchell at 10pm?
I'd written a reply to this thread a few days ago, but, to my frustration, it never made it on to the boards (the joys of using a mobile phone). Anyway, just briefly: I believe that SM's continual reticence post-trial can be apportioned to him knowing his brother did it and that he was involved in the disposal of incriminating evidence on the night of June 30th, 2003 (why was he in Oxgangs, a suburb that was 7 miles away from his then home in Newbattle, that night getting petrol? And why was Corinne's maroon Vauxhall Frontera car at the Newbattle entrance to RDP on the night of June 30th, 2003? Was Shane driving it as CM was drinking alcohol that night ?). Then there is the farcical attempt of trying to concoct an alibi which CM dragged Shane into; SM literally changed his story regarding his brother's whereabouts on 30.06.03 3 three times in the space of a couple of days -- one of his accounts in July '03 was a direct result of being coached by CM as to what to say to police -- and then reverted back to his safe default "I don't know" stance when the going got tough on 14.04.04 under police questioning. But, for me, SM's testimony in court tells you all you need to know regarding his brother's guilt.
Shane Mitchell definitely had the time to be helping to dispose of incriminating evidence
And he comes across as the type of person who would do this no problem
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Alan Turnbull: We’ve got some way to go with all of this Mr Mitchell, but I want you to reflect on the question of whether Luke was there when you went down. Would you do that?
Shane Mitchell: Okay
Alan Turnbull: And what’s your answer at this stage?
Shane Mitchell: To the question (incomprehensible)
Alan Turnbull: To the question of whether Luke was there when you went down?
Shane Mitchell: I can’t give you a definite answer
Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?
Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir
*&^^&
What a complete and utter moron Shane Mitchell sounds like
Is this also something Corinne Mitchell told Shane Mitchell ?
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As if it can’t get worse
Alan Turnbull: We’ve got some way to go with all of this Mr Mitchell, but I want you to reflect on the question of whether Luke was there when you went down. Would you do that?
Shane Mitchell: Okay
Alan Turnbull: And what’s your answer at this stage?
Shane Mitchell: To the question (incomprehensible)
Alan Turnbull: To the question of whether Luke was there when you went down?
Shane Mitchell: I can’t give you a definite answer
Alan Turnbull: Do you think he was there?
Shane Mitchell: It’s not my place to think sir
*&^^&
What a complete and utter moron Shane Mitchell sounds like
Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!! The fact he couldn't even muster the courage to lie, or be liberal with the truth somewhat, and say something along the lines of, for example, " I think my brother was there." He knew, as did AD Turnbull & L Nimmo Smith, he was lying. The jury must've realised during Shane's testimony that Luke's time as a free man was up. I do wonder, however, if Shane had said he did see Luke when asked that question if the verdict would have been different.
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All interesting stuff but my question is - if SM went as far as disposimg of incriminating evidence for his brother then why not also give him a definitive alibi and say he was definitely at home at the time in question?
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Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!! The fact he couldn't even muster the courage to lie, or be liberal with the truth somewhat, and say something along the lines of, for example, " I think my brother was there." He knew, as did AD Turnbull & L Nimmo Smith, he was lying. The jury must've realised during Shane's testimony that Luke's time as a free man was up. I do wonder, however, if Shane had said he did see Luke when asked that question if the verdict would have been different.
If Shane was involved in any way in protecting his brother why not just lie? The fact that he didn’t, for me, lends credence to his statements rather then takes it away.
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From Shane’s examination in chief.
Turnbull…Okay it’s always been true that you didn’t hear music being played from the dining room.
Shane….Yes
Shane…Can I ask a question? Did I ever say I heard music coming from the dining room?
Turnbull….No. No you didn’t, you’re quite right.
Sneaky.
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From Shane’s examination in chief.
Turnbull…Okay it’s always been true that you didn’t hear music being played from the dining room.
Shane….Yes
Shane…Can I ask a question? Did I ever say I heard music coming from the dining room?
Turnbull….No. No you didn’t, you’re quite right.
Sneaky.
Yes wasn’t he - and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember what you pointed out to me yesterday, just towards the tail-end of the questions I asked you this morning?
Shane Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember that you pointed out to me, you said “Wait a minute, have I ever said I heard music” Do you remember you pointed that out to me ?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And I pointed out..
Shane Mitchell: Because I was wondering why you were asking about me about music all the time
Alan Turnbull: Exactly. Well you see I know why I’m asking you about that a s the ladies and gentlemen probably do as well. But the point is Mr Mitchell, you knew that in all of these interviews and all of the hours of discussions you had with the police, you had never said to them that you’d heard music being played. Ian that right?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Trumbull: That’s what you pointed out to me. Amd you were correct. Your memory has been pretty good in that matter, hasn’t it?
Shane Mitchell: Yes see the days I was interviewed by the police had been quite memorable
Alan Turnbull: Un huh
Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time
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Yes wasn’t he and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him
Of course Shane could have been unaware of Luke’s presence if he was in the kitchen and Shane hadn’t looked there. Turnbull knew this. He couldn’t, however, have missed music playing.
It’s the dishonesty that sticks in one’s throat.
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Of course Shane could have been unaware of Luke’s presence if he was in the kitchen and Shane hadn’t looked there. Turnbull knew this. He couldn’t, however, have missed music playing.
It’s the dishonesty that sticks in one’s throat.
Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time
This didn’t come across well - at all
Red flag right there
Did Shane Mitchell see his killer brother Luke Mitchell at around 6:20pm?
What about at 10pm?
Killer Luke Mitchell allegedly got Shane Mitchell’s torch - from Shane
Yet Shane Mitchell allegedly didn’t know anything about Jodi Jones until his mother Corinne Mitchell phoned him from the police station
*&^^&
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Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!!
Reading the transcripts isn’t the same as actually seeing and hearing Shane Mitchell say this
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Yes wasn’t he - and Alan Turnbull pulled Shane Mitchell up on his sneakiness after Donald Findlay had finished with him
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember what you pointed out to me yesterday, just towards the tail-end of the questions I asked you this morning?
Shane Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: Do you remember that you pointed out to me, you said “Wait a minute, have I ever said I heard music” Do you remember you pointed that out to me ?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And I pointed out..
Shane Mitchell: Because I was wondering why you were asking about me about music all the time
Alan Turnbull: Exactly. Well you see I know why I’m asking you about that a s the ladies and gentlemen probably do as well. But the point is Mr Mitchell, you knew that in all of these interviews and all of the hours of discussions you had with the police, you had never said to them that you’d heard music being played. Ian that right?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Trumbull: That’s what you pointed out to me. Amd you were correct. Your memory has been pretty good in that matter, hasn’t it?
Shane Mitchell: Yes see the days I was interviewed by the police had been quite memorable
Alan Turnbull: Un huh
Shane Mitchell: As opposed to the day of the murder, which wasn’t very memorable at the time
Red flag
Shane Mitchell knew exactly why he was being asked about the music
It comes across like he was intentionally playing dumb
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One wonders whether Mr. Turnbull concerned himself with SK's failure of memory.
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Red flag
Shane Mitchell knew exactly why he was being asked about the music
It comes across like he was intentionally playing dumb
If Shane had commented in his statements that he had heard music then he couldn’t help but have known that Luke had been home. It’s a simple deduction.
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All interesting stuff but my question is - if SM went as far as disposimg of incriminating evidence for his brother then why not also give him a definitive alibi and say he was definitely at home at the time in question?
How long would Shane Mitchell have been sent to prison for helping his brother?
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If Shane was involved in any way in protecting his brother why not just lie? The fact that he didn’t, for me, lends credence to his statements rather then takes it away.
Shane Mitchell’s gaslighting and manipulation was extremely telling
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Totally. "It's not my place to think, sir." Wow! Absolutely absurd. What kind of reply is that?!!!
a narcissistical one
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4:01pm Luke Mitchell made a telephone call from the landline
4:04pm Shane Mitchell telephoned his home landline & spoke to his brother Luke Mitchell
4:28pm (Approx) Luke Mitchell left to meet Jodi Jones
4:45pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell apparently arrived home at this time
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16pm Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
5:16pm Corinne Mitchell apparently arrived home from Morning noon & night
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile. Shane Mitchell claimed he ate just before he went out at around 6:21pm
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell claimed he left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
6:30pm Neighbours of the Mitchell’s detect smoke coming from their garden
9:57pm Shane Mitchell arrived home from Gary Coyle’s house & made a telephone call to a Bathgate number from the home landline
10:00pm Neighbours of the Mitchell’s detect smoke coming from their garden
Corrine Mitchell ~ ‘She said neighbours who gave statements saying that the log burner in her garden had been used on the evening of the murder were mistaken. Mrs Mitchell said she might have burnt some grass at the time but did not use the burner
10:00pm (Just after) Killer Luke Mitchell was observed walking outside his house
10:41pm Killer Luke Mitchell claimed his first telephone call to Judith Jones “Did Not Connect” he also told the police it was his mother Corinne Mitchell’s “Suggestion” that he go and pretend to look for Jodi Jones
00:31am Killer Luke Mitchell telephoned his mother Corinne Mitchell to her “stop f..king phoning me” (Source Scott Forbes)
00:39am Killer Luke Mitchell telephoned his mother Corinne Mitchell
“He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, ‘I can't tell you’, I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him” ~ Corinne Mitchell’s testimony
01:00am (Times not accurate) Sometime after 1:00am Shane Mitchell received a phonecall from his mother Corinne Mitchell asking him to bring some clothes to the police station
Shane Mitchell claimed he was sleeping when his mother phoned him and got up and drove to Dreghorn to get gas, presumably before driving to Dalkeith police station
Corinne Mitchell claimed her son Shane Mitchell “came & went most of the evening” - Not according to Shane Mitchell’s testimony he didn’t
Corrine Mitchell
”When I got home I went directly to the kitchen where I was confronted by Luke brandishing the broccoli! He asked if it should be that colour (it was turning yellowy) and I said no......bin the broccoli! He decided on beans instead...as it was a Monday and I do my weekly shop on a Tuesday there wasn't any other fresh vegetables left.
Both Luke and I served up. I told Luke to shout Shane down as he was upstairs. Shane came down, complained to Luke he had burnt the pie, I told him it could be scraped off, it wasn't that bad. Shane returned upstairs armed with his dinner. Luke ate his in front of the TV and I decided to have mine on the patio as I had been cooped up in my office all day and not seen any sun.
After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!
Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.[/i]
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According to Shane Mitchell’s testimony - he spoke to his killer brother Luke Mitchell at 4:04pm on 30th June 2003 and didn’t see or hear anything about his brother Luke again until his mother Corinne Mitchell telephoned him from the police station
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Who or what is the source of SM being spotted in Oxgangs on the night of the murder? I have only ever read about it on here. Nowhere else. I don't doubt he was seen in the aforementioned area, but I would just like to be directed to the source of this info. Anyone?
Eyewitness or witnesses - the police would have no doubt spoken to the gas station and obtained CCTV where they could for Shane Mitchell’s movements
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If Shane was involved in any way in protecting his brother why not just lie? The fact that he didn’t, for me, lends credence to his statements rather then takes it away.
Shane Mitchell did lie - numerous times!
He was arrested and charged for attempting to pervert the course of justice because of his numerous bare faced lies and concoctions
Do you think Shane told the police he went to get gas at silly O’clock in the morning on 1st July 2003 before he was arrested on 14th April 2004?
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4:04pm Shane Mitchell telephoned his home landline & spoke to his brother Luke Mitchell
4:28pm (Approx) Luke Mitchell left to meet Jodi Jones
4:45pm-4:50pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell apparently arrived home at this time
4:53pm Shane Mitchell logged into the Internet
5:16om Shane Mitchell logged out of the Internet
6:04pm Shane Mitchell made a telephone call to someone using his mobile
Shane Mitchell claimed he ate just before he went out at around 6:21pm
6:20pm Shane Mitchell used his mobile phone to call Gary Coyle’s phone number
6:21pm (Approx) Shane Mitchell left home to drive to Gary Coyle’s house
9:57pm Shane Mitchell arrived home from Gary Coyle’s house & made a telephone call to a Bathgate number from the home landline
“Just after” Shane Mitchell claimed he left his home to go to Gary C’s house neighbours of the Mitchell’s detect smoke coming from their garden
“Just after” Shane Mitchell arrived home from Gary C’s house the neighbours again detect smoke coming from the Mitchell’s back garden
One neighbour said they heard voices in the garden
Alan Turnbull: In June of last year in your back garden there was a log burner, wasn’t there?
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And that could be used to burn rubbish or other items
Shane Mitchell: Yes if it would fit inside it
Alan Turnbull: Sorry?
Shane Mitchell: If it would fit inside
Alan Turnbull: If it would fit inside, of course. Did you sometimes use that log burner?
Shane Mitchell: Once or twice
Alan Turnbull: Did you use it on the evening of 30th June 2003
Shane Mitchell: No
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Shane Mitchell: After giving my first statement, coming home and thinking about it, I realised that it was wrong. I realised that nearly everything about it was wrong because my head was so screwed up because what had been going on
Shane Mitchell gave his first police statement on the 3rd July 2003
Why did he choose to tell so many bare faced lies and concoctions?
And what did he mean exactly about “what had been going on”?
Shane Mitchell didn’t know Jodi Jones, from his accounts Shane barely appeared to have ever seen Jodi
So what exactly was he referring to?
The family liaison officer didn’t contact the Mitchell until the evening of the 2nd July 2003
Shane Mitchell claimed the 30th June 2003 had been a “mundane” day
So what exactly had been going on in the Mitchell house?
Killer Luke Mitchell was due to go and visit Kimberley Thomson on the 5th July
Shane Mitchell would have met Kimberley T when she stayed over at the Mitchell’s house just after Christmas Day 2002
Did Shane Mitchell go to work on the 1st and 2nd July 2003?
Shane Mitchell: I couldn’t.. I generally couldn’t remember a single thing about that day, my memories went completely.. they were all over the place
Why?
Jodi Jones wasn’t his sister, family member or loved one!
Why did Shane Mitchell claim to react like this?
Shane Mitchell referring to his 3rd July 2003 police witness statement
Shane Mitchell: But when I signed that statement I’d been questioned for over 5 hours. I was tired, confused, hungry. I wanted to go home. I wanted to get out of there. I didn’t have the energy left to do anything further about it
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Shane Mitchell: After giving my first statement, coming home and thinking about it, I realised that it was wrong. I realised that nearly everything about it was wrong because my head was so screwed up because what had been going on
Shane Mitchell gave his first police statement on the 3rd July 2003
Why did he choose to tell so many bare faced lies and concoctions?
And what did he mean exactly about “what had been going on”?
Shane Mitchell didn’t know Jodi Jones, from his accounts Shane barely appeared to have ever seen Jodi
So what exactly was he referring to?
The family liaison officer didn’t contact the Mitchell until the evening of the 2nd July 2003
Shane Mitchell claimed the 30th June 2003 had been a “mundane” day
So what exactly had been going on in the Mitchell house?
Killer Luke Mitchell was due to go and visit Kimberley Thomson on the 5th July
Shane Mitchell would have met Kimberley T when she stayed over at the Mitchell’s house just after Christmas Day 2002
Did Shane Mitchell go to work on the 1st and 2nd July 2003?
well his brother’s girlfriend had just been murdered and so that’s probably what he meant by all that had been going on. You’d imagine it was probably a topic of conersation in the Mitchell household during that period, no?
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Shane Mitchell: But when I signed that statement I’d been questioned for over 5 hours. I was tired, confused, hungry. I wanted to go home. I wanted to get out of there. I didn’t have the energy left to do anything further about it
What a narcissist Shane Mitchell sounds like!
Jodi Jones - a 14 year old girl is murdered and all Shane Mitchell could think about was himself, food and sleep
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well his brother’s girlfriend had just been murdered and so that’s probably what he meant by all that had been going on. You’d imagine it was probably a topic of conersation in the Mitchell household during that period, no?
Who did Shane Mitchell tell the police he thought was his brother’s girlfiriend?
Kimberley Thomson or Jodi Jones?
Without a doubt “it was probably a topic of conversation in the Mitchell household”
They were clearly all conspiring with one another
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Who did Shane Mitchell tell the police he thought was his brother’s girlfiriend?
Kimberley Thomson or Jodi Jones?
Without a doubt “it was probably a topic of conversation in the Mitchell household” - they were clearly all conspiring with one another
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I don’t know and yes, probably.
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Who did Shane Mitchell tell the police he thought was his brother’s girlfiriend?
I don’t know
Maybe the trial testimony of some of the police officers who interviewed Shane Mitchell on the 14th April 2004 will help answer this?
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Who did Shane Mitchell tell the police he thought was his brother’s girlfiriend?
Kimberley Thomson or Jodi Jones?
Without a doubt “it was probably a topic of conversation in the Mitchell household”
They were clearly all conspiring with one another
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If they were all conspiring together then why did Shane not say from the very beginning that he had seen Luke? Job done.
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Witnesses who gave evidence during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s 2004/05 trial
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones snippet 9th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-search-trio-evidence-some-testimony.html
4. Alice Walker 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
5. Steven Kelly 10th & 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John F erris
10. Gordon D ickie
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Fleming - 1st December snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell 10th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html, 12th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-12012005.html 13th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
25. Corinne Mitchell - snippet 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
49. Chemistry teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
50. Maths teacher
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
55. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
56. Ben Sole
57. DI Tom Martin
58. Dc Rory Hamilton
59. David Stirling
60. David Suttie
61. Derek Morris
62. Pathologist report for defence
63. Dc Adam Brunton
64. Jonathan Whitaker
65. Pc Anita Dow
66. Dc Stephen Livingston
67. DI Tom Martin
68. Dr Kranti Hiremath
69. Pc Fraser Gaffney
70. Mahasweta Roy
71. Jill Barnes
72. Former partner of Leonard Kelly
73. Friend of David Tullock
Who’s missing from this list
Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren has apparently claimed she also gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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Who made a witness statement claiming they had seen a maroon frontera at the end of Roans dyke path and what exactly did Gordon D ickie tell the jury about that yellow framed push bike he saw at the railings of the school?
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If they were all conspiring together then why did Shane not say from the very beginning that he had seen Luke? Job done.
He did
Then when narcissist Shane Mitchell was caught in his bare faced lies and concoction he appears to have blamed the police family liaison officer
Shane Mitchell: But when I gave that statement on.. is it the 7th?
Alan Turnbull: The 7th
Shane Mitchell: I didn’t say for definite I saw Luke in the kitchen, it’s - as I was saying earlier on - I was prompted by DC Lindsay
Alan Turnbull: Okay
Shane Mitchell: She wouldn’t take for an answer that I wasn’t sure, she wrote down in no uncertain terms
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Maybe you should familiarise yourself with Shane Mitchell & his full trial testimony
10th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
12th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-12012005.html
13th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
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He did
Then when narcissist Shane Mitchell was caught in his bare faced lies and concoction he appears to have blamed the police family liaison officer
Shane Mitchell: But when I gave that statement on.. is it the 7th?
Alan Turnbull: The 7th
Shane Mitchell: I didn’t say for definite I saw Luke in the kitchen, it’s - as I was saying earlier on - I was prompted by DC Lindsay
Alan Turnbull: Okay
Shane Mitchell: She wouldn’t take for an answer that I wasn’t sure, she wrote down in no uncertain terms
Sounds like Dc Michelle Lindsay knew Shane Mitchell was telling bare faced lies and making up nonsense
What kind of person chooses to tell bare faced lies and concoctions like Shane Mitchell most definitely did after a 14 year old girl - Jodi Jones - is found murdered?
*&^^&
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Shane Mitchell is referring to the 3rd July 2003 here
Shane Mitchell: After giving my first statement, coming home and thinking about it, I realised that it was wrong. I realised that nearly everything about it was wrong because my head was so screwed up because what had been going on
Shane Mitchell: I couldn’t.. I generally couldn’t remember a single thing about that day, my memories went completely.. they were all over the place
Shane Mitchell: But when I signed that statement I’d been questioned for over 5 hours. I was tired, confused, hungry. I wanted to go home. I wanted to get out of there. I didn’t have the energy left to do anything further about it
It was more than likely Shane Mitchell’s bare faced lies and concoctions on the 3rd July which saw the police view his bother as a prime suspect
He did
Shane Mitchell: But when I gave that statement on.. is it the 7th?
Alan Turnbull: The 7th
Shane Mitchell: I didn’t say for definite I saw Luke in the kitchen, it’s - as I was saying earlier on - I was prompted by DC Lindsay
Alan Turnbull: Okay
Shane Mitchell: She wouldn’t take for an answer that I wasn’t sure, she wrote down in no uncertain terms
The day after Shane Mitchell gave his 2nd police witness statement
8th July 2003
Rosemary Walsh gave police her witness statement - in which she stated she had seen killer Luke Mitchell near a wooden gate on Newbattle road wearing a parka jacket
Rosemary Walsh
“If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
This was before killer Luke Mitchell and his enabling mother Corinne Mitchell had purchased a replacement Parka jacket from FLIP
As previously stated, a staff member who worked at FLIP had recognised killer Luke Mitchell because they knew Jodi Jones
The staff member reported this to their line manager who in turned alerted the police
Killer Luke Mitchell had not even worn his replacement parka jacket by the time Rosemary Walsh had finished giving her first police statement
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Shane Mitchell: After giving my first statement, coming home and thinking about it, I realised that it was wrong. I realised that nearly everything about it was wrong because my head was so screwed up because what had been going on
Why exactly was Shane Mitchell “head so screwed up”?
What had Shane Mitchell done to cause this?
What exactly “had been going on” to screw up Shane Mitchell’s head?
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”What was Luke wearing when waiting at the end of his street? (excerpts from 02/12/04 transcript)”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-boy-on-bike-and-green-shirt.html
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”What was Luke wearing when waiting at the end of his street? (excerpts from 02/12/04 transcript)”
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-boy-on-bike-and-green-shirt.html
So Andrew Holburn described sadistic killer Luke Mitchell as wearing something like what he had seen in the window of FLIP
Andrew Holburn was the young man who did not know killer Luke Mitchell
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Reading the transcripts isn’t the same as actually seeing and hearing Shane Mitchell say this
Indeed. I've always wanted to watch this trial in its entirety in high definition and with high-resolution audio. Would be interesting to see everyone's body language, micro expressions and so forth. I don't think either, though, is necessary to deduce what exactly SM meant with his comment, "It's not my place to think." It's just an outright absurd response. SM throughout his testimony was, paradoxically, transparent in his ambiguity. Easily sussed out by the fiercely intelligent Turnbull. SM was lost during the trial -- like a mouse in a maze. Poor guy's court time must've been akin to a car crash. I think the laddie has, in fairness, tried to carve out a decent life and career for himself, albeit a VERY late bloomer.
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Shane Mitchell is referring to the 3rd July 2003 here
It was more than likely Shane Mitchell’s bare faced lies and concoctions on the 3rd July which saw the police view his bother as a prime suspect
The day after Shane Mitchell gave his 2nd police witness statement
8th July 2003
Rosemary Walsh gave police her witness statement - in which she stated she had seen killer Luke Mitchell near a wooden gate on Newbattle road wearing a parka jacket
This was before killer Luke Mitchell and his enabling mother Corinne Mitchell had purchased a replacement Parka jacket from FLIP
As previously stated, a staff member who worked at FLIP had recognised killer Luke Mitchell because they knew Jodi Jones
The staff member reported this to their line manager who in turned alerted the police
Killer Luke Mitchell had not even worn his replacement parka jacket by the time Rosemary Walsh had finished giving her first police statement
When did the Flip employee go to the police? If it was after Corrine had handed the receipt for the parka jacket to the police then the alert has little to no value.
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When did the Flip employee go to the police? If it was after Corrine had handed the receipt for the parka jacket to the police then the alert has little to no value.
If memory serves, CM did not willingly hand over the receipt. Rather, M Lindsay was waiting on her returning because she suspected something was amiss and didn't trust her/them; it was her instinct telling her to be there as soon as they came in the door. I could be wrong, though, and maybe she was alerted to the jacket by Flip's C Proctor. Regardless, I don't think CM gave any information regarding the Parka of her own volition -- for she was, initially, imo, not going to deny LM had a parka, pretending that the one purchased from Flip on 08.07.03 was the one he always had. The crux here is that this new jacket, crucially, did not have any incriminating DNA on it (which would work considerably in the Mitchells' favour, since it would be impossible to escape from the locus without a single solitary trace of blood on such a large jacket; that really would have dumbfounded the police). If the police subsequently asked (which they obviously would have), for example, why was LM spotted with Jodi at Easthouses at 1655 and then spotted alone at N'battle rd at 1740, then they would have denied it was LM. At this stage, they would be banking on the police believing them on the count that those parkas were very popular jackets and that it was plausible that the person spotted at those 2 places was not LM (still quite a risky strategy, though). Even though the issue of the Parka is a bit of a quandary, the main thing for the Mitchells was that the old parka was destroyed because it no doubt had traces of Jodi's blood on it (probably traces that were not discernible unless inspected up close); outwith direct evidence of LM being caught on cctv murdering Jodi, her blood on his jacket was the next big thing for the police, and no doubt would really have sealed his fate. The Mitchells knew this. Imo, the Mitchells were covering all angles just to be safe, and then taking action and covering their tracks in accordance with what evidence the police may garner (a game of cat and mouse, if you like).
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If memory serves, CM did not willingly hand over the receipt. Rather, M Lindsay was waiting on her returning because she suspected something was amiss and didn't trust her/them; it was her instinct telling her to be there as soon as they came in the door. I could be wrong, though, and maybe she was alerted to the jacket by Flip's C Proctor. Regardless, I don't think CM gave any information regarding the Parka of her own volition -- for she was, initially, imo, not going to deny LM had a parka, pretending that the one purchased from Flip on 08.07.03 was the one he always had.
Colin was not in FLIP at the time killer Luke Mitchell and his enabling mother bought the replacement parka jacket, as fair as I am aware
Someone said on here that the replacement parka jacket may have been purchased on the day after Rosemary Walsh gave the police her first witness statement
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Indeed. I've always wanted to watch this trial in its entirety in high definition and with high-resolution audio. Would be interesting to see everyone's body language, micro expressions and so forth. I don't think either, though, is necessary to deduce what exactly SM meant with his comment, "It's not my place to think." It's just an outright absurd response. SM throughout his testimony was, paradoxically, transparent in his ambiguity. Easily sussed out by the fiercely intelligent Turnbull. SM was lost during the trial -- like a mouse in a maze. Poor guy's court time must've been akin to a car crash. I think the laddie has, in fairness, tried to carve out a decent life and career for himself, albeit a VERY late bloomer.
Scammer Sandra Lean from her 2nd innocence fraud book p.121
“His alibi for the period prior to 6pm was dependent on his mother and brother, both of whom were treated as suspicious almost from the beginning of the investigation.
Based on Shane Mitchell’s 3rd July 2003 police interview and witness statements - for very good reason
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The day after Shane Mitchell gave his 2nd police witness statement
8th July 2003
Rosemary Walsh gave police her witness statement - in which she stated she had seen killer Luke Mitchell near a wooden gate on Newbattle road wearing a parka jacket
“If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
This was before killer Luke Mitchell and his enabling mother Corinne Mitchell had purchased a replacement Parka jacket from FLIP
As previously stated, a staff member who worked at FLIP had recognised killer Luke Mitchell because they knew Jodi Jones
The staff member reported this to their line manager who in turned alerted the police
Killer Luke Mitchell had not even worn his replacement parka jacket by the time Rosemary Walsh had finished giving her first police statement
Scammer Sandra Lean p.121 from her betraying the innocent book
“A critical part of the prosecution case was a claim that Luke owned a Parka jacket prior to the murder which had since disappeared, disposed of in a log burner in the family’s back garden to destroy incriminating evidence. Therefore, any eyewitness sightings of Luke would, of necessity, have to contain descriptions of him in a Parka jacket, both to support claims that it was Luke that those witnesses saw and the contention that he was forced to destroy the Parka jacket because it became contaminated with Jodi’s blood and other evidence during the murder
Luke said that he was wearing the same green bomber jacket, baggy jeans and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots that he wore to school earlier that day (exactly the clothing taken from him by police on the night of the murder). He did not own a Parka jacket prior to the murder – his mum had to buy him new clothing after the police took everything he owned in the first raid on July 4th – the Parka he owned after the murder was bought in that shopping trip and the receipt for it was taken by the police.
The manner in which these threads were pulled together to convince a jury that the evidence supporting them was credible and reliable is shocking, but the jury and the media were not party to many of the events I am about to relate and so did not have the benefit of all of the available information on which to base their decisions about this evidence.
What was “shocking” exactly?
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If memory serves, CM did not willingly hand over the receipt. Rather, M Lindsay was waiting on her returning because she suspected something was amiss and didn't trust her/them; it was her instinct telling her to be there as soon as they came in the door. I could be wrong, though, and maybe she was alerted to the jacket by Flip's C Proctor.
Scammer Sandra Lean, referring to the 14th August 2003 police interview, stated in her 2nd innocence fraud book p.222-223
“Unfortunately for them, the German army shirt was actually in police possession at the time of this interrogation and at the same time as the interrogation was taking place, FLO Michelle Lindsay was asking for and being provided with the receipt for the Parka and other clothing bought on 9th July.
It was Corinne Mitchell who claimed Dc Michelle Lindsay was waiting for her and her killer son Luke Mitchell when they returned from their shopping trip to FLIP on the 8th or 9th July 2003
The trial transcripts will no doubt clarify this
However if the replacement parka jacket was purchased on the 9th July 2003, this would obviously have been the day after Rosemary Walsh told the police she had seen killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket on the 30th July 2003 at around 5:40pm near the wooden gate on Newbattle road.
8th July 2003
Rosemary Walsh gave police her witness statement - in which she stated she had seen killer Luke Mitchell near a wooden gate on Newbattle road wearing a parka jacket
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Who’s “logical reason” is in question
Scammer Sandra Lean from p.223 of her 2nd innocence fraud book;
“It is also curious that the same story – of an article of clothing going missing and being “replaced” after the murder - re-emerged at trial.
Amongst all of this confusion and lack of logical reasoning….….
Again Rosemary Walsh gave her 1st police witness statement on the 8th July 2003 in which she told the police she had seen killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket.
According to Sandra Lean, the replacement parka jacket was not bought until the 9th July 2003 from FLIP
How could Rosemary Walsh have known about the replacement parka jacket?
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Who’s “logical reason” is in question
Scammer Sandra Lean fro p.223 of her 2nd innocence fraud book;
“It is also curious that the same story – of an article of clothing going missing and being “replaced” after the murder - re-emerged at trial.
Amongst all of this confusion and lack of logical reasoning….
Again Rosemary Walsh gave her 1st police witness statement on the 8th July 2003 in which she told the police she had seen killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket.
According to Sandra Lean, the replacement parka jacket was not bought until the 9th July 2003 from FLIP
How could Rosemary Walsh have known about the replacement parka jacket?
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Didn’t see identify the parka simply because of the length. Andrina Bryson definitely didn’t identify as such.
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Didn’t see identify the parka simply because of the length. Andrina Bryson definitely didn’t identify as such.
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She did!
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She did!
So not a positive identification then.
“I only say a parka because of the length”.
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So not a positive identification then.
“I only say a parka because of the length”.
Rosemary Walsh referred to killer Luke Mitchell’s jacket as a “parka” - can’t get more positive than that!
8th July 2003 - “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka[/i]”
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“The dock identification - why the omission from Innocents betrayed?”
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https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-dock-identification-why-omission.html?m=1
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Rosemary Walsh referred to killer Luke Mitchell’s jacket as a “parka” - can’t get more positive than that!
‘But only because of the length’
Hardly definitive.
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‘But only because of the length’
Hardly definitive.
It hasn’t been able to be discredited for 21 years - that’s how “definitive” it was!
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Kudos to those, only recently becoming aware that trial transcripts were actually available and could be posted online, despite Sandra Lean's vehement assertions, for many years, otherwise, plus paying for them, as opposed to reliance on unsubstantiated, published claims. This ongoing research support is exceptional, revealing and perhaps expectantly more to follow, as there are, naturally, considerable endeavours involved in making trial transcripts easily accessible, to all of us.
https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/?m=1
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Kudos to those, only recently becoming aware that trial transcripts were actually available and could be posted online, despite Sandra Lean's vehement assertions, for many years, otherwise, plus paying for them
Have you considered that other people may well already have copies of some of the trial transcripts?
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So Andrew Holburn described sadistic killer Luke Mitchell as wearing something like what he had seen in the window of FLIP
Andrew Holburn was the young man who did not know killer Luke Mitchell
Andrew Holburn
"Luke was wearing dark blue baggy jeans and a dark green shirt
"It was definitely, definitely a shirt, not a jacket
"I think it was buttoned-up but I couldn't see anything underneath it
"It was about down to the waist of his jeans and baggy
"I might have seen a shirt like in the window of Flip, it's a boardy punk shop up the bridges
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
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This ongoing research support is exceptional
The jury heard the testimony contained in the trial transcripts currently being published in 2004/05
Do you think the jury did “exceptional” ?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
On 6th May 2023 you stated on one of the cult-like Facebook groups;
James Easton
I have only just become aware, that Luke's school book covers, were cited as evidence by the prosecution.
That's my school book cover right there...
My covers featured quotes such as:
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
(Aleister Crowley)
"Dead babies can't take things off the shelf".
(Alice Cooper)
"Come to the Sabbath
Satan's there".
(Black Sabbath)
We were all fixated by Crowley and our Bible was the seminal, 'Magic: An Occult Primer', by David Conway.
Us and countless other adolescents of our 1970s generation.
No one that I personally recall, was resultantly inspired to carry out a frenzied, maniacal murder, what seems to have been the insinuation regarding Luke.
My covers were also also adorned with pentagrams and goodness knows what other occult paraphernalia - macabre skulls were all the rage and you had kudos if the lettering was in 3D.
It is frustrating that this perspective and context does not appear to have been highlighted in Luke's defence.
Had you seen the 'Infernäl Mäjesty' lyrics before?
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.
What do you mean by “prominent supporters”?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
You also stated on the same Facebook group on 25th June 2023
“James Easton
Remind me, what century was Luke's trial...
It appears that Luke was not the only person locally, to have maintained their innocence and would not confess to an accused crime
"Issobell Fergussone, who was married and lived in Newbattle, was pricked by a professional witch pricker in July 1661. She maintained her innocence and denied all accusations against her.
It seems that she asked to be pricked, probably to prove her innocence".
Alas, to no avail...
"However, the witch pricker was successful in finding the Devil’s mark and she subsequently confessed to a pact and interactions with the Devil. She was tried in August 1661 and eventually executed".
Noted is the following 'NME' extract:
MARILYN MANSON DVD PLAYED IN MURDER TRIAL
NME
24th December, 2004
MARILYN MANSON’s DVD ‘THE GOLDEN AGE OF GROTESQUE’ was played in court yesterday (December 23) in the trial of a teenager accused of murdering schoolgirl JODI JONES.
The DVD – which shows two girls tied together near a track and struggling as hoods were placed over their heads – was seized by police from the home of Luke Mitchell, 16, who denies murdering Jodi on June 30 last year.
He told detectives he bought the DVD two days after 14-year-old Jodi’s naked and bloodstained body was found in woods near her home in Dalkeith, near Edinburgh.
The High Court in Edinburgh was told that during the police interview on July 4 last year Mitchell also chatted about his musical interests, including Marilyn Manson.
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He told Detective Constable Stephen Quinn: “It is a weird sort of gothic video.”
Mitchell described the contents as “trancestyle”, with Manson “saying random words and stuff” over film of a car driving down a road in the middle of the night.
Prosecutor Alan Turnbull QC asked for the first 10 minutes of the DVD to be played.
The jury heard repetitive music and lyrics such as “stop rehearsing alcohol and start performing narcotics” and “the only thing that is immortal in this world is money”.
Mr Turnbull asked the detective if the contents did include, as Mitchell had said, a car driving down the road in the middle of the night, and DC Quinn agreed.
“The portion we watched also seemed to include a number of flash images. In some there seemed to be a young girl who is naked.”
The detective replied: “It seemed to be like that, yes.” He also agreed that in some images the girl appeared to be lying on the ground.
Mr Turnbull described how occupants got out of a car after seeing two struggling women wearing corsets, which made them seem to be naked and tied together. Hoods or bags were then put over the women’s heads as they struggled.
“The girls were to some extent molested and carried away,” said Mr Turnbull, and DC Quinn agreed.
(...)
(End of extract)
This was cited as meaningful evidence of Luke's guilt.
How pivotal though, was it?
Profoundly significant, it would seem. From 'Scotsman' case article, dated 14 February, 2005:
_I did not inspire Jodi's killer, says rock star Marilyn Manson_
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The schoolgirl’s death and her injuries bore similarities to the gruesome "Black Dahlia" murder of 1940s Hollywood actress Elizabeth Short.
Paintings by Manson depicting the mutilated body of the murdered actress were shown to the jury during the schoolboy’s trial.
Detectives believed the woman’s murder was the inspiration for Jodi’s killing after it emerged Mitchell was an avid fan of Manson.
Lord Nimmo Smith, the trial judge at the High Court in Edinburgh, said he believed Mitchell had carried an image of those paintings in his mind when he killed Jodi.
(...)
Nor could the boy’s obsession with Satanism be dismissed as "mere adolescent rebellion", the judge added.
"I think that is a sign that you found evil attractive and that you thought that there might be a kind of perverted glamour in doing something wicked," he said.
"I do not feel able to ignore the fact that there was a degree of resemblance between the injuries inflicted on Jodi and those shown in the Marilyn Manson paintings of Elizabeth Short that we saw.
"I think that you carried an image of the paintings in your memory when you killed Jodi," the judge said.
(End of extract)
There was an existing, powerful agenda, against which, in 1661, Issobell Fergussone, from Newbattle, stood no chance.
Over 3 centuries later... might it seem that 'spawn of satan' and 'devil's child' assertions were elemental in Luke's trial and equally had zero, substantiate evidence whatsoever...
What does Issobell Fergussone have to do with sadistic murderer and psychopath Luke Mitchell?
And do you remain of this viewpoint?
If not what has changed?
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From 'Innocents Betrayed':
"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...
In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".
A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.
If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.
Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.
Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?
https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/
You also stated on 9th August 2023 via Facebook
James Easton
Sandra Lean Thank you for taking time to share... the exact same thoughts. 🙂
I am 65 now and Saturday was first time back in birthplace Glasgow for some 20 years - Buchanan Street had somewhat changed since then!
Went for a quick walk around and suddenly got my bearings, realising that Green's Playhouse (later 'Apollo'), was just around the corner.
Thought has since occurred, that I was there with school mates, all of us around 14 years old, at a Black Sabbath concert.
I remember us joining in relentless chanting for the namesake song
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Satan's There
How ironic... so close from where I stood, listening to Luke's heartfelt message of gratitude on Saturday.
Never, of course, got to see Marilyn Manson in those days, although at same venue, did watch Alice Cooper 'hang' himself, in a macabre stage act, if that counts.
So far as I am aware, like myself, none of my school friends resultantly committed a psychopathic murder.
Just afterthoughts, with regards to the entire perspective and context of how significant that young teenager, Satanic fixation element was championed to the jury and perhaps, decisively, proved persuasive enough to swing a majority verdict.
That expressed, I have come across something, which, if previously unknown, might resonate:
'How a man convicted of his high school girlfriend’s killing was freed by decades-old DNA evidence'
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/man-convicted-high-school-girlfriends-killing-freed-decades/story%3fid=69053797
I suspect Leah Freeman was murdered by her boyfriend Nick McGuffin and this is yet another example of the innocence fraud phenomenon https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-convicted-high-school-girlfriends-killing-freed-decades/story?id=69053797
Did you read all of the trial transcripts related to killer Nick McGuffin?
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It hasn’t been able to be discredited for 21 years - that’s how “definitive” it was!
The release of the transcripts slams the door on any slightest doubt that LM was not guilty. How any sane person can still argue the case for LM is a mystery.
The transcripts clearly prove LM was not where he said he was and his brother, despite numerous opportunities, could not support his alibi. LM was NOT at home around 5pm that night. His mother lied to protect her son but his brother could not.
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His mother lied to protect her son but his brother could not.
The only justice that was missed in this case, that both of them should have done time.
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The release of the transcripts slams the door on any slightest doubt that LM was not guilty.
There has only been 3 witnesses full trial transcripts published so far - there’s a lot more to follow
1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones snippet 9th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-search-trio-evidence-some-testimony.html
4. Alice Walker 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
5. Steven Kelly 10th & 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John F erris
10. Gordon D ickie
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Fleming - 1st December snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn snippet https://lmtranscriptdiscussion.blogspot.com/2023/11/what-was-luke-wearing-when-waiting-at.html
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell 10th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html, 12th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-12012005.html 13th January https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
25. Corinne Mitchell - snippet 13th December https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
49. Chemistry teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
50. Maths teacher
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
55. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
56. Ben Sole
57. DI Tom Martin
58. Dc Rory Hamilton
59. David Stirling
60. David Suttie
61. Derek Morris
62. Pathologist report for defence
63. Dc Adam Brunton
64. Jonathan Whitaker
65. Pc Anita Dow
66. Dc Stephen Livingston
67. DI Tom Martin
68. Dr Kranti Hiremath
69. Pc Fraser Gaffney
70. Mahasweta Roy
71. Jill Barnes
72. Former partner of Leonard Kelly
73. Friend of David Tullock
Who’s missing from this list
Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren has apparently claimed she also gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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Corinne Mitchell also told James English that killer Luke Mitchell got a torch off of his brother Shane Mitchell - but nothing from Shane about a torch in his trial testimony
2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell sketched a map of his crime scene for Dc Michelle Lindsay
2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell went to Sainsburys and bought a Marilyn Manson CD & DVD
3rd July 2003 - Liar Shane Mitchell gave his first witness statement
4th July 2003 - Police searched Newbattle abbey crescent
5th July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell was due to go & stay with Kimberley Thomson
6th July 2003 - Corinne Mitchell made a police witness statement
7th July 2003 - Shane Mitchell made another witness statement
8th July 2003 - Rosemary Walsh gave her first police statement
8th July 2004 - Killer Luke Mitchell already thinking about going back to school & wanting a new thick, heavy German army parka style jacket - in the summer
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Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren has apparently claimed she also gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
If Gemma Chapman did give evidence during the trial, it will be interesting to see what she said
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Sandra Lean
When your daughter Chi Bunny Lean stated on Facebook
“the answer to all of your questions is in the book”
Was she blatantly lying or was she deluded?
And when your daughter Chi stated;
“She gets asked these questions every hour of every day”
Was she lying, exaggerating or is this what you would tell Chi?
Killer Luke Mitchell: According To The Murderers Flying Monkey Sandra Lean’s Elder Daughter Chi.. (Part 205)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/38466
Was your daughter Chi Bunny Lean telling bare faced lies or have you duped her too Sandra Lean?
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The only justice that was missed in this case, that both of them should have done time.
May 2019
Corinne Mitchell: He’s had helpers
James English: You think there’s been more than one involved
Corinne Mitchell: Well definitely after - you see we think it’s been a punishment killing
*&^^&
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
The truth is not a toy yet people enjoy playing with it.
8:58 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
For the record AGAIN I am not doing the transcripts, even if i was so what? I don't deserve to be verbally abused & lied about by attention seekers! I know what I believe & I know the campaign I started look at the size of it, before my input Sandra was banging a soundless drum.
9:14 PM · Nov 29, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1729972027367309686
BB
@BarbaraKyl11747
It's a case of they don't know who is buying the transcripts so they will just bad mouth anyone that dose not fall in line and sing from there book .
9:20 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Helping To Fight For Justice For Luke Mitchell
@SsherylR8313
I know you're not doing the transcripts but you made a very good point (so what if you were) who cares if there is someone out there with the transcripts and i say good on them for getting them when a certain person said they couldn't be gotten.
9:33 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Doesn’t matter who’s doing the transcripts…matter of public record and can’t be ‘changed’
9:36 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
When someone is abused for sharing facts, something isn't right...
12:51 AM · Nov 30, 2023
Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
All i see is Diane being rude and when you result to name calling i have no interest in what you are saying. You are making some big assumptions, being tagged in the same post as people I have blocked is not my problem.
8:56 PM · Nov 29, 2023
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I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters
Why didn’t these “important/famous” supporters obtain trial transcripts before their involvement with sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and scammer Sandra Lean?
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Despite Sandra Lean's proclamations otherwise, have trial transcripts, only revealed now, in truth, been available to us all for 16 years and at no more than a copying/admin fee, working out to be approx .60p per page?
Yet, as we know, only recently, Sandra Lean still vehemently asserted that obtaining copies were impossible and even if, would cost circa £60,000.
On the 9th August 2023 didn’t you post photographs on one of the Facebook groups of the protest you attended with James junior amd state to Sandra Lean “your astute observations are gratefully appreciated” ?
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On the 9th August 2023 didn’t you post photographs on one of the Facebook groups of the protest you attended with James junior amd state to Sandra Lean “your astute observations are gratefully appreciated” ?
When you obtain new information that changes your opinion don’t you grant yourself the luxury of changing your mind?
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When you obtain new information that changes your opinion don’t you grant yourself the luxury of changing your mind?
I am not aware that James Easton has changed his opinion on sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell
James Easton - Facebook 2nd December 2022
Well... didn't see that coming...
Or that...
And for what it's worth... not that either...
No exclamation marks, no emojis...
Simply assimilating, personally, the outcome this past couple of weeks and momentum it has generated.
It will take some time yet, for this crescendo of revelations to fully sink in.
There are no sufficient words of praise, for all whose relentless endeavours over so many years, have made this phenomenal achievement a reality.
I am a well published sceptical researcher, over many years and reminded of an observation by Robert Burns, in his poem, 'The Dream':
But facts are chiels that winna ding,
‘An' downa be disputed
Essential, the facts will take care of themselves.
It does, of course help, if you have them to present a case and not, instead, a situation where elemental evidence is unprocurable and what does exist, seems to be reluctantly unveiled from a historical background of 'smoke and mirrors'.
For myself, Luke's conviction becomes increasingly disconcerting as our new evidence filters out and perhaps to a greater extent, than first quite apparent.
James Easton - Facebook 7th August 2023
Perhaps what many of ourselves have come away with from Saturday, are first time, personal, acquaintances and future friends.
Thank you so much for the endeavours of all, who made such a heartfelt occasion and experience possible.
Luke's entirely unexpected, poignant words to all present, were the highlight and a remarkable achievement.
Ultimately.... something overall which resultantly comes to mind and now resonates even more than ever...
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest".
Elie Wiesel, Nobel laureate (1928-2016)
Mary J Hamilton
a child was railroaded by a legal system which would have left Lord Kilbrandon utterly appalled.
James Easton
Mary J Hamilton Thank you for the appreciated comments.
Lord Kilbrandon, is not someone I am familiar with and thus duly enquired - quoting Wikipedia:
"His most important contribution to public life was probably his work as chairman of Royal Commission on the Constitution (commonly referred to as the Kilbrandon Commission) from 1972. He also chaired a committee on children in trouble. Nearly all its recommendations were enacted in new bills and created the basic structures of child care practices and policies in Scotland".
Such a poignant tangent and I am looking forward to researching this, newly discovered to myself, gentleman further.
Your astute observation, seems such a relevantly appropriate, sumnation of our history and significantly highlighting the 'legal system', at that time.
Thankfully, it has evolved sinc...
Hang on a minute...
Sandra Lean
I think, James, we're collectively still reeling. When the shock subsides, an entire new landscape of facts - not speculations, not plausible explanations, but actual facts about what has been done in our names - will be laid bare before the entire population. And then, everyone will see the full extent of this web of deceit, abuse of power, ramifications for all of us, before and since. How many more? How many families, screaming into the abyss because so few knew and those who did chose to remain silent?
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Sandra Lean
I think, James, we're collectively still reeling. When the shock subsides, an entire new landscape of facts - not speculations, not plausible explanations, but actual facts about what has been done in our names - will be laid bare before the entire population. And then, everyone will see the full extent of this web of deceit, abuse of power, ramifications for all of us, before and since. How many more? How many families, screaming into the abyss because so few knew and those who did chose to remain silent?
*&^^&
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I did express the following to Sandra Lean and nothing has changed in this respect.
"Thought has since occurred, that I was there with school mates, all of us around 14 years old, at a Black Sabbath concert.
I remember us joining in relentless chanting for the namesake song
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Satan's There".
It was of the time, so was a fascination with Aleister Crowley and more than the occasional spliff.
The objective is to highlight factual evidence, especially if previously unavailable in the necessary details and that might significantly help with an informed, judgement call.
Hence...
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-value-of-trial-transcripts.html
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The objective is to highlight factual evidence
Do you mean you are now attempting to solve an already solved murder?
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The objective is to highlight factual evidence, especially if previously unavailable in the necessary details and that might significantly help with an informed, judgement call.
What did you make you “informed, judgement call” on previously James Easton?
if previously unavailable
The material contained in the trial transcripts was all put before a jury
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The objective is to highlight factual evidence, especially if previously unavailable in the necessary details and that might significantly help with an informed, judgement call.
Hence...
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-value-of-trial-transcripts.html
“As someone with over 20 years of experience in various, detailed, historical research undertakings and often resulting in major new findings, publicised world-wide, I understand the importance of original case evidence” ~ James Easton
@)(++(*
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The objective is to highlight factual evidence, especially if previously unavailable in the necessary details and that might significantly help with an informed, judgement call.
Last post here...
There is way to much peripheral material, which can perhaps be discarded and enable a focus on the critical evidence.
It's not really suitable for in-depth analysis on a generic site, albeit a highly commendable one.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share_group_link
You might get some takers once sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell’s evidence (ie; 22 page written witness statement and transcripts of his police interviews etc) is published
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“As someone with over 20 years of experience in various, detailed, historical research undertakings and often resulting in major new findings, publicised world-wide, I understand the importance of original case evidence” ~ James Easton
You obviously didn’t pass that on to Ana Justice
Are you aware of her “research” for that fraudster Bob Ruff?
In episodes 1 & 2 of Ruff’s abusive nonsense he claimed the “research” he used was Matt Elliott’s & Ana’s
There were things said about Jodi Jones that had never been said before
Were these Ana’s projections?
The podcasts are still online by the way
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I did express the following to Sandra Lean and nothing has changed in this respect.
"Thought has since occurred, that I was there with school mates, all of us around 14 years old, at a Black Sabbath concert.
I remember us joining in relentless chanting for the namesake song
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Satan's There".
It was of the time, so was a fascination with Aleister Crowley and more than the occasional spliff.
Does your “more than the occasional spliff” use continue ?
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In episodes 1 & 2 of Ruff’s abusive nonsense he claimed the “research” he used was Matt Elliott’s & Ana’s
There were things said about Jodi Jones that had never been said before
Were these Ana’s projections?
The podcasts are still online by the way
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It appears that he was saying It's not the same knife - that there were two knives found in skips? Really? Noted that the majority of the comment is deflection and personal attack.
11:26 AM · Nov 30, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
When someone is abused for sharing facts, something isn't right...
12:51 AM · Nov 30, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
You couldn't be further from the truth. We have dedicated years to this campaign. We fought for justice for Luke based on specific facts we weee told - we absolutely have the right to speak out about the fact some of them weren't correct.
12:50 PM · Nov 29, 2023
What about what has been stated as fact about Jodi Jones?
Where did this come from Ana?
You and Matt Elliott and in turn that innocence fraudster Bob Ruff haven’t shared facts about Jodi Jones either!
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
You couldn't be further from the truth. We have dedicated years to this campaign. We fought for justice for Luke based on specific facts we weee told - we absolutely have the right to speak out about the fact some of them weren't correct.
12:50 PM · Nov 29, 2023
No Ana
“Facts” you wrongly thought were “facts”
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's been stated by Mr Forbes and his followers that these details are trivial - actually, I'm finding that some of the fundamental points that convinced me of the guilt of others, weren't even true. That's not trivial, by any means.
6:21 PM · Nov 27, 2023
Have you emailed Bob Ruff like you did when you helped him with his “research” and told him this too Ana?
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Indeed. I've always wanted to watch this trial in its entirety in high definition and with high-resolution audio. Would be interesting to see everyone's body language, micro expressions and so forth. I don't think either, though, is necessary to deduce what exactly SM meant with his comment, "It's not my place to think." It's just an outright absurd response. SM throughout his testimony was, paradoxically, transparent in his ambiguity. Easily sussed out by the fiercely intelligent Turnbull. SM was lost during the trial -- like a mouse in a maze. Poor guy's court time must've been akin to a car crash. I think the laddie has, in fairness, tried to carve out a decent life and career for himself, albeit a VERY late bloomer.
Further still, I think, in addition to having the entire trial to watch on a tv and the full trial transcripts, to really form the most fair and accurate opinion on this case one possibly could, it would also be necessary to have every single detail that went into it. Every single statement, interview transcript ... every single little thing in conjunction with the investigation & case. A considerable undertaking, I know. And the reason I say this, is because on p.2107 of SM's trial transcript (from part 2), DF revealed during SM's police interview on 14.04.04 he said, "He couldnae have been in the house if people had seen him." Now, even without context, this is very damning indeed. Why on earth would he say that??
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's been stated by Mr Forbes and his followers that these details are trivial - actually, I'm finding that some of the fundamental points that convinced me of the guilt of others, weren't even true. That's not trivial, by any means.
6:21 PM · Nov 27, 2023
Have you emailed Bob Ruff like you did when you helped him with his “research” and told him this too Ana?
Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Doesn’t matter who’s doing the transcripts…matter of public record and can’t be ‘changed’
9:36 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Have you emailed Bob Ruff, Matthew Elliott?
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Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's been stated by Mr Forbes and his followers that these details are trivial - actually, I'm finding that some of the fundamental points that convinced me of the guilt of others, weren't even true. That's not trivial, by any means.
6:21 PM · Nov 27, 2023
Have you emailed Bob Ruff like you did when you helped him with his “research” and told him this too Ana?
What about Jodi Jones and her loved ones?
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
You couldn't be further from the truth. We have dedicated years to this campaign. We fought for justice for Luke based on specific facts we weee told - we absolutely have the right to speak out about the fact some of them weren't correct.
12:50 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Why didn’t you include Jodi Jones’ name in your tweet Ana?
Was this a Freudian slip perhaps?
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Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Doesn’t matter who’s doing the transcripts…matter of public record and can’t be ‘changed’
9:36 PM · Nov 29, 2023
But you and Ana “changed” the narrative Matthew?!
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Christopher John Halkides
The cyclist first thought he heard a sound like branches moving. His impression of what he heard changed over time.
What was the evidence heard during the trail regarding Leonard Kelly’s evidence?
And what was the evidence of the witnesses who gave evidence is support of Leonard Kelly’s evidence?
** In Memory Of Leonard Kelly **(Part 179)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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Christopher John Halkides
The cyclist first thought he heard a sound like branches moving. His impression of what he heard changed over time.
In reality - it wasn’t Leonard Kelly’s “impression” which changed
Leonard Kelly contacted the police as soon as he learned a young girls body had been found near Roan’s Dyke path
But the call handler who took Mr Kelly’s telephone call didn’t appear to flag it as urgent
As a result of this oversight - there was a delay before the police actually spoke to Leonard Kelly and took his first statement
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2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell sketched a map of his crime scene for Dc Michelle Lindsay
2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell went to Sainsburys and bought a Marilyn Manson CD & DVD
3rd July 2003 - Liar Shane Mitchell gave his first witness statement
4th July 2003 - Police searched Newbattle abbey crescent
5th July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell was due to go & stay with Kimberley Thomson
6th July 2003 - Corinne Mitchell made a police witness statement
7th July 2003 - Shane Mitchell made another witness statement
8th July 2003 - Rosemary Walsh gave her first police statement
8th July 2004 - Killer Luke Mitchell already thinking about going back to school & wanting a new thick, heavy German army parka style jacket - in the summer
“By the 3rd July Luke had started to emerge from the pack with a greater degree of suspicion than the rest, all he did was make me more suspicious ~ SIO Craig Dobbie
Is there any wonder why
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2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell sketched a map of his crime scene for Dc Michelle Lindsay
2nd July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell went to Sainsburys and bought a Marilyn Manson CD & DVD
3rd July 2003 - Liar Shane Mitchell gave his first witness statement
4th July 2003 - Police searched Newbattle abbey crescent
5th July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell was due to go & stay with Kimberley Thomson
6th July 2003 - Corinne Mitchell made a police witness statement
7th July 2003 - Shane Mitchell made another witness statement
8th July 2003 - Rosemary Walsh gave her first police statement
8th July 2004 - Killer Luke Mitchell already thinking about going back to school & wanting a new thick, heavy German army parka style jacket - in the summer
“By the 3rd July Luke had started to emerge from the pack with a greater degree of suspicion than the rest, all he did was make me more suspicious ~ SIO Craig Dobbie
According to attention seeker, fantasist and fraudster Scott Forbes the 3rd of July 2003 was when he drove his innocent “friend” Mark Kane to a police station 🙄
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Further still, I think, in addition to having the entire trial to watch on a tv and the full trial transcripts, to really form the most fair and accurate opinion on this case one possibly could, it would also be necessary to have every single detail that went into it. Every single statement, interview transcript ... every single little thing in conjunction with the investigation & case. A considerable undertaking, I know. And the reason I say this, is because on p.2107 of SM's trial transcript (from part 2), DF revealed during SM's police interview on 14.04.04 he said, “He couldnae have been in the house if people had seen him." Now, even without context, this is very damning indeed. Why on earth would he say that??
Do you also think Donald Findlay “revealed” a future possible ground for appeal when he was referring to Shane Mitchell’s police interview?
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Further still, I think, in addition to having the entire trial to watch on a tv and the full trial transcripts, to really form the most fair and accurate opinion on this case one possibly could, it would also be necessary to have every single detail that went into it. Every single statement, interview transcript ... every single little thing in conjunction with the investigation & case. A considerable undertaking, I know. And the reason I say this, is because on p.2107 of SM's trial transcript (from part 2), DF revealed during SM's police interview on 14.04.04 he said, “He couldnae have been in the house if people had seen him.” Now, even without context, this is very damning indeed. Why on earth would he say that??
Do you also think Donald Findlay “revealed” a future possible ground for appeal when he was referring to Shane Mitchell’s police interview?
And do you think Alan Turnbull kicked butt and ensured this future possibility was shut down ?
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Matthew Elliott
@mattelliottphot
Doesn’t matter who’s doing the transcripts…matter of public record and can’t be ‘changed’
9:36 PM · Nov 29, 2023
Will Matt Elliott’s new film include the callousness, contempt and disrespect shown towards Jodi Jones’ family over the years by people like dangerous, toxic and abusive innocence fraud killer enabler Sandra Lean?
Matt Elliott
*FILM*
It’s fair to say I’ve been involved with true crime for a long time now, but have always had an issue with it being disrespectful and purely for entertainment. If you watch ‘some’ documentaries and listen to some podcasts then you’ll probably understand what I’m talking about.
What’s been skimmed over, in Luke’s case, is portraying him as just a 2 dimensional ‘emotionless’ character who listened to ‘death’ metal and had interests in the ‘darker’ side of life. What’s often gets forgotten, and sometimes conveniently, is the fact he was a child himself and had found his girlfriend brutally mudered.
Within the film I’m looking to give a true and honest account of Luke,before his life was turned upside down, as a typical teenage boy in 2003.
What was life like for Luke then?
How did he spend his free time?
Who did he hang around with?
What was school life like?
Etc
If you knew Luke then, or know someone who would be happy to chat with me, I’d be grateful for the pointers.
I’m fully respectful to the sensitive nature of the case and everything will be held in confidence.
Every story has a backstory…
Ty
Matt
And will Matt Elliott be speaking to the people who knew the killer best ie; Shane Mitchell, Philip Mitchell and his step-mother ?
I didn’t believe you then and still don’t believe you Matthew Elliott!
The disrespect showed towards Jodi Jones in Bob Ruff’s podcast is deplorable Matthew Elliott!
Again - have you emailed Bob Ruff and if not why not?
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Anonymous member
Are we allowed to ask what happened to the parties involved in this case? Do both families still live in the area ? Does Luke still speak and see his family ?
Rachel Roll
Yes Jodi's family and Dr Sandra Lean still live in the area. Luke's family have moved out of the area. He still sees his family and has friends who have supported him throughout too
Why aren’t charlatan Sandra Lean’s own family having a party for her?
Don’t they also live in the area?
This “he still sees his family” is yet another bare faced lie!
Philip Mitchell, his wife and their daughter do not see killer Luke Mitchell nor does his brother Shane Mitchell! - Ask Sharon Indy Sunshine
Who else other than Sandra Lean and Gemma Chapman, Aka Freddie Gren, knew killer Luke Mitchell back then and are still in contact with him?
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Sandra Lean
I love it when a new question pops up and sets off a whole new train of thought. Tonight's question was, have those making threats been reported? My immediate answer was "they're anonymous" and that then reminded me of something. When my vehicle details were made public, with encouragements to "keep an eye out for it," I contacted the police, having screen shotted everything. Their response? Nothing they could do - it would be "impossible" to trace these anonymous people.
Now, wait a minute!!! Doesn't every police investigation, into every crime, start with having to find and identify an "anonymous" person - like, say, a killer? Violent attacker? Stalker or kidnapper? It's not as if these people walk around with a sign on their foreheads - they are, by definition, anonymous (to police investigations) pretty much from the off. Yet, in this incredible age of technology, people leaving a digital footprint and fingerprint everywhere they go are, according to Police Scotland, "impossible to trace." Make of that .....
What would police find if they were to seize Freddie Gren aka Gemma Chapman and Nicky Brendan Aka Nicola Brennan’s devices Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
I love it when a new question pops up and sets off a whole new train of thought. Tonight's question was, have those making threats been reported? My immediate answer was "they're anonymous" and that then reminded me of something. When my vehicle details were made public, with encouragements to "keep an eye out for it," I contacted the police, having screen shotted everything. Their response? Nothing they could do - it would be "impossible" to trace these anonymous people.
Exaggerated victimhood is a common feature of narcissistic grandiosity. Narcissistic personalities often feel victimized because of their unrealistic expectations, hypersensitivity, and lack of empathy. Narcissists also play the victim to elicit sympathy and avoid responsibility for their abusive behaviour.
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Christopher John Halkides
The cyclist first thought he heard a sound like branches moving. His impression of what he heard changed over time.
Leonard Kelly was clear
His “impression” was that the noises he heard were “two laddies fighting”
But by the following morning, he realised when he heard a young girl had been found murdered - that he had witnessed hearing killer Luke Mitchell’s murder - behind the wall
** In Memory Of Leonard Kelly **(Part 179)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/19/in-memory-of-leonard-kelly-part-179/
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Sandra Lean
I love it when a new question pops up and sets off a whole new train of thought. Tonight's question was, have those making threats been reported? My immediate answer was "they're anonymous" and that then reminded me of something. When my vehicle details were made public, with encouragements to "keep an eye out for it," I contacted the police, having screen shotted everything. Their response? Nothing they could do - it would be "impossible" to trace these anonymous people.
Exaggerated victimhood is a common feature of narcissistic grandiosity. Narcissistic personalities often feel victimized because of their unrealistic expectations, hypersensitivity, and lack of empathy. Narcissists also play the victim to elicit sympathy and avoid responsibility for their abusive behaviour.
Killer Luke Mitchell: Pretend Criminologist & Malignant Narcissist & Cult-Like Group Leader Sandra Lean & The Harm Her Brainwashing Is Doing (Part 102)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/__trashed-6/
Killer Luke Mitchell Had All Of This Time Over This Evening To Dispose, Clean & So Forth & Proxy Abuser, & Pretend Criminologist Sandra Lean’s Web Of Deceit To Reach Maslow’s Pyramid (Part 108)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/31/killer-luke-mitchell-proxy-abuser-pretend-criminologist-sandra-leans-web-of-deceit-to-reach-maslows-pyramid-guest-blog-part-108/
Killer Luke Mitchell & Malignant Narcissist Sandra Lean’s Killer Cult (Part 118)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-malignant-narcissist-sandra-leans-killer-cult-part-118/
Killer Luke Mitchell: Con-Artist Sandra Lean Is The Joseph Goebbels Of Midlothian’s ‘Wrongful Conviction’ Movement (Part 135)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/27/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-is-the-joseph-goebbels-of-midlothians-wrongful-conviction-movement-part-135/
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Exaggerated victimhood is a common feature of narcissistic grandiosity. Narcissistic personalities often feel victimized because of their unrealistic expectations, hypersensitivity, and lack of empathy. Narcissists also play the victim to elicit sympathy and avoid responsibility for their abusive behaviour.
Without a doubt she takes no responsibility for the deadly serious implications herself and her lunatic followers who have hounded dozens of innocent people by posting false IDs and images online that could ruin people's lives. The Dobbie one recently wasn't even him.
Has Lean mentioned who threatened who to cause her party to be cancelled (again). Or was it another publicity like her van holiday/fleeing from justice?
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Without a doubt she takes no responsibility for the deadly serious implications herself and her lunatic followers who have hounded dozens of innocent people by posting false IDs and images online that could ruin people's lives. The Dobbie one recently wasn't even him.
Neither was the AO one
There have been others too
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Has Lean mentioned who threatened who to cause her party to be cancelled (again). Or was it another publicity like her van holiday/fleeing from justice?
Knowing Sandra Lean she’ll be throwing all kinds of names out - behind the scenes of course
Someone has said vulnerable victim Gemma Chapman could be bi-polar - an easy target for someone like Sandra Lean and sadistic psychopath and murderer Luke Mitchell
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Has Lean mentioned who threatened who to cause her party to be cancelled (again). Or was it another publicity like her van holiday/fleeing from justice?
As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
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As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
Good advice Rusty!
Colin Todd appears to be recognising the fact the gravy train has come off the rails
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As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
Unfortunately most of Luke's Army aren't blessed with the ability to spot a scammer when they see one and have fallen head first for it. There are some vulnerable and impressionable people being duped as happens in many cults. People religiously campaigning for a killer on the flimsiest of pretexts by the local tarot card reader.
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As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same
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James Easton
Sandra Lean Thank you for taking time to share... the exact same thoughts. 🙂
I am 65 now and Saturday was first time back in birthplace Glasgow for some 20 years - Buchanan Street had somewhat changed since then!
Went for a quick walk around and suddenly got my bearings, realising that Green's Playhouse (later 'Apollo'), was just around the corner.
Thought has since occurred, that I was there with school mates, all of us around 14 years old, at a Black Sabbath concert.
I remember us joining in relentless chanting for the namesake song
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Satan's There
How ironic... so close from where I stood, listening to Luke's heartfelt message of gratitude on Saturday
You were listening to a calculated, callous, cruel, cold blooded psychopatgic murderer James Easton, who hasn’t showed an ounce of remorse for what he did on the 30th June 2003
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James Easton
Sandra Lean Thank you for taking time to share... the exact same thoughts. 🙂
I am 65 now and Saturday was first time back in birthplace Glasgow for some 20 years - Buchanan Street had somewhat changed since then!
Went for a quick walk around and suddenly got my bearings, realising that Green's Playhouse (later 'Apollo'), was just around the corner.
Thought has since occurred, that I was there with school mates, all of us around 14 years old, at a Black Sabbath concert.
I remember us joining in relentless chanting for the namesake song
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Come to the Sabbath
Satan's There
How ironic... so close from where I stood, listening to Luke's heartfelt message of gratitude on Saturday.
Never, of course, got to see Marilyn Manson in those days, although at same venue, did watch Alice Cooper 'hang' himself, in a macabre stage act, if that counts.
So far as I am aware, like myself, none of my school friends resultantly committed a psychopathic murder.
Just afterthoughts, with regards to the entire perspective and context of how significant that young teenager, Satanic fixation element was championed to the jury and perhaps, decisively, proved persuasive enough to swing a majority verdict.
What was it you stated James Easton
“As someone with over 20 years of experience in various, detailed, historical research undertakings and often resulting in major new findings, publicised world-wide, I understand the importance of original case evidence” ~ James Easton
*&^^&
It sounds like everything you’ve ever “publicised world-wide” requires investigation
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When you’ve found some courage James Easton
Come back to the
generic site
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How many apply to Lean's Army?
How to Recognize a Cult
Sometimes individuals disagree about whether a group, such as a certain religious group, is actually a cult.
Most people can agree that cults have a leader. And the leader (or group of people who serve as leaders) is responsible for the rules that guide the members. According to the Cult Education Institute, there are specific warning signs to look out for when considering whether a group might be a cult.
Cults are characterized by:
Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone
else to leave.
Abuse of members
Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
A belief that the leader is right at all times
A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation[/li][/list]
Cults are dangerous because they typically rely on deceptive and authoritarian practices to make members dependent on and obedient to the group. Cults often cut members off from other forms of social and financial support and pose both physical and psychological risks to members of the group.
(Cult Education Institute)
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When you’ve found some courage James Easton
Come back to the
You once posted on the wap forum - at times unpleasant things in support of luke mitchell. In time your opinion changed! Similar to those posting now? Like you they've worked with dr lean and realised all is not what it seems? They've spotted her lies, in time who knows?
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You once posted on the wap forum - at times unpleasant things in support of luke mitchell
How did I do that if I didn’t know anything back then about the sadistic, psychopathic murderer Luke Mitchell’s case?
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Like you they've worked with dr lean and realised all is not what it seems?
I’ve never worked with Sandra Lean either
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You once posted on the wap forum - at times unpleasant things in support of luke mitchell.
You sound like you have a poor memory
Baby killer Billy Middleton, Sandra Lean’s former boyfriend, banned me from his and Lean’s WAP forum
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I remember reading those forums. You were very friendly with dr lean. You and john both posted alot in support of luke mitchell and in many ways similar to some of those posting in support now. Times have changed, its fair to say from your experience of dr lean you know what shes like now, hence your change of opinion. Its starting to click for others now too? Ive no wish to argue this with you mate! Opinions change with expeirence?
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I remember reading those forums. You were very friendly with dr lean.
I first met Sandra Lean in a place called Bury St Edmunds - it was the 3rd October 2009
This was also 7 months after baby killer Billy (William) Middleton got away with his murder
I didn’t know Billy Middleton even existed at this time (20th March 2009)
You and john both posted alot in support of luke mitchell and in many ways similar to some of those posting in support now.
John most definitely posted in support of sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Are you referring to the timeline put together by John, which James Easton has reproduced on his new Facebook group?
James Easton - John was a police officer and he put that timeline together from material given to him by scammer Sandra Lean, Corinne Mitchell and media articles
Times have changed, its fair to say from your experience of dr lean you know what shes like now, hence your change of opinion. Its starting to click for others now too? Ive no wish to argue this with you mate! Opinions change with expeirence?
John posted on the WAP forum until I think he was also banned by baby killer Billy Middleton
The times most definitely changed - that timeline was and is awful
John started to recognise fairly quickly that Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean were lying - probably his former police officers ‘hunch’
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The people who have supported LM and the pretend criminilogist Lean will have a lot of soul searching to do, now and in the future. Surely one look at Lean would tell you all you need to know. First time I saw her on Channel 5 and knew straight away she was a wrong un.
Shock.
Denial. ...
Anger. ...
Bargaining. ...
Depression. ...
Acceptance and hope. ...
Processing loss
etc
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I first met Sandra Lean in a place called Bury St Edmunds - it was the 3rd October 2009
This was also 7 months after baby killer Billy (William) Middleton got away with his murder
I didn’t know Billy Middleton even existed at this time (20th March 2009)
John most definitely posted in support of sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell
Are you referring to the timeline put together by John, which James Easton has reproduced on his new Facebook group?
No interest in arguing this mate! Its just my word on a internet forum. My point has been made. I read your blogs and posts 8((()*/
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Do you also think Donald Findlay “revealed” a future possible ground for appeal when he was referring to Shane Mitchell’s police interview?
I think even by the time SM was called as a witness, DF knew the game was up. SM's testimony, and AT's utter dismantling of it, was in all likelihood the moment that sealed LM's fate; it was the prosecution's metaphorical cherry on top. AT reflected on the immediate aftermath of the trial in an article for the DR (it's still available online and is dated Feb 14th, 2005) and said he was in no doubt whatsoever that he got the right killer. The fact that all of LM's subsequent appeals have failed is testament to just how watertight the prosecution's case was and how successfully, skilfully and effectively AT presented it. Still, I'd like to see the context in which SM, during his 6-hour police interview on the morning of 14.04.04, answered police: "He couldnae have been in if people have seen him."
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The people who have supported LM and the pretend criminilogist Lean will have a lot of soul searching to do, now and in the future. Surely one look at Lean would tell you all you need to know. First time I saw her on Channel 5 and knew straight away she was a wrong un.
What was it about Sandra Lean on that TV show that made you think she was a wrong un?
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No interest in arguing this mate! Its just my word on a internet forum. My point has been made. I read your blogs and posts 8((()*/
I omitted to mention the fact that baby killer Billy Middleton was a prolific internet troll - both at the time he was running that WAP website, alongside Sandra Lean, and before he went to prison for setting those two fires
He had countless trolling accounts and probably still does
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The people who have supported LM and the pretend criminilogist Lean will have
..cognitive dissonance
Ana Justice appears to be displaying this
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I’ve never worked with Sandra Lean either
I will also add Sandra Lean is in Scotland - I am in England
And contrary to what scammer Sandra Lean has stated (behind the scenes) she can sue someone in England - from Scotland
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What was it about Sandra Lean on that TV show that made you think she was a wrong un?
Where should I start? Any decent criminologist would have have had a more reasoned approach. The whole programme was a joke and seemed to be scripted to suit her viewpoint with those joke ex-cops. Body language was way too defensive. The appearance of town crier Forbes was the biggest red flag possible - later finding out they were working in tandem (at the time).
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't. How deplorable that would be, to see an arguable, cult like following, descend into such desperation, they have zero hesitation in posting personal diatribe, intended to cause family distress.
That would be sick and sincerely doubt Luke Mitchell approves.
Especially so, if one of the family happened to be acquainted with Luke and a passionately staunch supporter.
A new low.
Why would anyone stoop to these depths in public and notably, entirely undermine what Sandra Lean has just posted on her Facebook page:
"While all the hatreds rage and so many say, that love is all but pointless, in a madness such as this ..."
We say, NO".
Unless you merely highlight that new evidence has come to light, in the form of actual trial transcripts, case documentation....
Then, seemingly, you become the anathema of a belief
system and resultant, vile enemy....
Rock bottom.
Pathetic...
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
The name comes from the book written by innocence fraud phenomenon grifter Bob Woffinden
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't.
The deception was noted long ago Jim - your daughters was particularly see through
And still is
As is your own!
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Sandra Lean has just posted on her Facebook page:
"While all the hatreds rage and so many say, that love is all but pointless, in a madness such as this ..."
Sandra Lean is an empty vessel who makes a lot of noise
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What was it about Sandra Lean on that TV show that made you think she was a wrong un?
Initially, I didn't think she was of dubious character, but, the more exposure I've gotten to her, the more disillusioned I've become. I think she's a decent woman at heart, but does herself no favours by persisting with this obviously bogus campaign - particularly when a lot of her campaigners are wronguns. She would have more integrity if she had written books that highlight cases and convictions that actually were/are replete with inconsistencies and malpractice, or at least use her doctorate in a more positive and honest way, instead of the insidious, underhand way she has been.
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As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
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Initially, I didn't think she was of dubious character, but, the more exposure I've gotten to her, the more disillusioned I've become. I think she's a decent woman at heart, but does herself no favours by persisting with this obviously bogus campaign - particularly when a lot of her campaigners are wronguns.
Sorry MA, I think she is a complete psychopath and knows exactly what she is doing. Look at the people she surrounds herself with, Forbes and all the ex-con YouTubers etc. It's all about her. What "campaigner" would hold their birthday party/fundraiser a mile from where [Name removed] was killed? She is prolongong this campaign as long as possible to keep herself relevant with her shitty Britney Spears mic/headset ect. Just my opinion of course.
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't. How deplorable that would be, to see an arguable, cult like following, descend into such desperation, they have zero hesitation in posting personal diatribe, intended to cause family distress.
That would be sick
Are you all so self absorbed you still cannot see the wood through the trees?
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas'
Cut the crap Jim
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Knowing Sandra Lean she’ll be throwing all kinds of names out - behind the scenes of course
Someone has said vulnerable victim Gemma Chapman could be bi-polar - an easy target for someone like Sandra Lean and sadistic psychopath and murderer Luke Mitchell
Does Gemma attend the protests with heavy black eye make up?
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Does Gemma attend the protests with heavy black eye make up?
No
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That would be sick and sincerely doubt Luke Mitchell approves.
Are you for real?
He’s a sick, twisted, dangerous psychopath who committed the most horrific murder - just shy of 15 years of age
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As you and many others know, she has a long history of playing the victim.
My advice to those that are drawn in by these pity ploys. Step back and observe. Don't get pulled into the rabbit hole.
I suspect your advice will fall on deaf ears - the “researchers” who don’t “research” know best
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't. How deplorable that would be, to see an arguable, cult like following, descend into such desperation, they have zero hesitation in posting personal diatribe, intended to cause family distress.
That would be sick and sincerely doubt Luke Mitchell approves.
Especially so, if one of the family happened to be acquainted with Luke and a passionately staunch supporter.
A new low.
Why would anyone stoop to these depths in public and notably, entirely undermine what Sandra Lean has just posted on her Facebook page:
"While all the hatreds rage and so many say, that love is all but pointless, in a madness such as this ..."
We say, NO".
Unless you merely highlight that new evidence has come to light, in the form of actual trial transcripts, case documentation....
Then, seemingly, you become the anathema of a belief
system and resultant, vile enemy....
Rock bottom.
Pathetic...
Flying monkey alert.
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Flying monkey alert.
“Flying monkey’s” Ana Azaria & James Easton 👇
Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean Waits Almost 20 Years To Mention The CCTV Camera’s At Her Eldest Daughters High School & Now Some People Are Pretending The Camera’s Were “Overlooking The Crime Scene” (Part 234)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/06/25/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-waits-almost-20-years-to-mention-the-cctv-cameras-at-her-eldest-daughters-high-school-now-people-are-pretending-the-cameras-were/
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Deluded Donna aka Ana 🙄 stated that scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book was an “academic” book that “has to be fact based” - see more below
*&^^&
Killer Luke Mitchell: Ana Azaria Isn’t Carrying Out Due Diligence (Part 80)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azaria-isnt-carrying-out-due-diligence-part-80/
Did she get her “research” acumen from you James Easton?
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Deluded Donna aka Ana 🙄 stated that scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book was an “academic” book that “has to be fact based” - see more below
*&^^&
Killer Luke Mitchell: Ana Azaria Isn’t Carrying Out Due Diligence (Part 80)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/23/killer-luke-mitchell-ana-azaria-isnt-carrying-out-due-diligence-part-80/
Did she get her “research” acumen from you James Easton?
And James Easton has stated in response to
AJ Az aka Ana 🙄
”What was Luke wearing when waiting at the end of his street? (excerpts from 02/12/04 transcript)”
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James Easton
Thank you for this intriguing research
Is there actually any reported sighting of Luke Mitchell, wearing clothes with suspicious bloodstains?
His emtire comment is completely deluded
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The Scottish Daily Record reported, "Mr Kelly tells the court: 'I thought somebody had somebody in headlock. It was a strangling sort of sound - a human.' In his later evidence he adds: 'I thought it was two ladies fighting. 'It was a human sound, a restriction. It sounded like a gargling restriction of somebody's throat.'"
However Richard Gray reported, "Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder. He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'" The BBC reported, "Under cross-examination, it emerged that he had described the sound differently in a statement to police at the time."
In an article in a law journal Professor Simon discussed synthesized testimony, much of which is, no doubt, offered sincerely.
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The Scottish Daily Record reported, "Mr Kelly tells the court: 'I thought somebody had somebody in headlock. It was a strangling sort of sound - a human.' In his later evidence he adds: 'I thought it was two ladies fighting. 'It was a human sound, a restriction. It sounded like a gargling restriction of somebody's throat.'"
However Richard Gray reported, "Mr Findlay asked Mr Kelly about statements he gave to police shortly after Jodi's murder. He said: "You said 'There was a strange noise behind the wall. I cannot describe the noise. It wasn't a voice. It sounded like movement - like branches moving on a tree.'" The BBC reported, "Under cross-examination, it emerged that he had described the sound differently in a statement to police at the time."
In an article in a law journal Professor Simon discussed synthesized testimony, much of which is, no doubt, offered sincerely.
At last some sanity to the proceedings.
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At last some sanity to the proceedings.
For once, I agree with you. The forum has been in a state of regression for quite some time now. What was once a platform where healthy discussion was the norm, is now a haven for mediocrity and trolls with something to prove, to unleash cringeworthy and insipid turgid ramblings. Something's a little off, and the forum needs fixing.
Chris, whilst I don't agree with most of his views on this case, at least brings a sense of equilibrium to the debate.
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How many apply to Lean's Army?
How to Recognize a Cult
Sometimes individuals disagree about whether a group, such as a certain religious group, is actually a cult.
Most people can agree that cults have a leader. And the leader (or group of people who serve as leaders) is responsible for the rules that guide the members. According to the Cult Education Institute, there are specific warning signs to look out for when considering whether a group might be a cult.
Cults are characterized by:
Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
Lack of meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget
Unreasonable fears about the outside world that often involve evil conspiracies and persecutions
A belief that former followers are always wrong for leaving and there is never a legitimate reason for anyone
else to leave.
Abuse of members
Records, books, articles, or programs documenting the abuses of the leader or group
Followers feeling they are never able to be “good enough”
A belief that the leader is right at all times
A belief that the leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or giving validation[/li][/list]
Cults are dangerous because they typically rely on deceptive and authoritarian practices to make members dependent on and obedient to the group. Cults often cut members off from other forms of social and financial support and pose both physical and psychological risks to members of the group.
(Cult Education Institute)
It’s all there
This describes the cult-like “wrongful conviction” movement as a whole
What has scammer Sandra Lean done with all the profits from her second innocence fraud book which she states on page 378 of her book are being “donated” to a “mew organisation” that does not exist?
She stated she would be paying taxes on the profits from this book in one of her videos and set up “innocents betrayed ltd”
Guess what happened to “innocents betrayed ltd”
Yet another compulsory strike off
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13091576/filing-history
NGU books - did anyone ever find out anything about NGU books?
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I think even by the time SM was called as a witness, DF knew the game was up.
I suspect Donald Findlay “knew the game was up” by the time the police officers gave their testimony regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement, which he made at Dalkeith police station in the early hours of the 1st July 2003 - whilst Corinne Mitchell sat next to him
One police officer read out the entire statement to the jury
There were other police officers who also gave evidence during the trial regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s police interview recordings - in which they demonstrated his shallow effect
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I think even by the time SM was called as a witness, DF knew the game was up. SM's testimony, and AT's utter dismantling of it, was in all likelihood the moment that sealed LM's fate; it was the prosecution's metaphorical cherry on top.
I thought both lawyers were top notch but I do think some of the jury members would have seen through Donald Findlay’s gaslighting tactics when he cross examined Shane Mitchell
Shane Mitchell didn’t appear perturbed by this behaviour - did he?
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The fact that all of LM's subsequent appeals have failed is testament to just how watertight the prosecution's case was and how successfully, skilfully and effectively AT presented it. Still, I'd like to see the context in which SM, during his 6-hour police interview on the morning of 14.04.04, answered police: "He couldnae have been in if people have seen him."
Donald Findlay mentioned Andrina Bryson after the jury has been sent out
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Unless you merely highlight that new evidence has come to light, in the form of actual trial transcripts, case documentation....
Have you or your family members been to prison James Easton?
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Are you referring to the timeline put together by John, which James Easton has reproduced on his new Facebook group?
James Easton - John was a police officer and he put that timeline together from material given to him by scammer Sandra Lean, Corinne Mitchell and media articles
John posted on the WAP forum until I think he was also banned by baby killer Billy Middleton
The times most definitely changed - that timeline was and is awful
John started to recognise fairly quickly that Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean were lying - probably his former police officers ‘hunch’
Here is the May 2010 timeline former policeman John put together based on what he was told by scammers Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton and possibly what he gleaned from media articles around the time(?)
John had also visited the area back in 2009 and had taken in a series of photographs - including the one of the wooden gate on Newbattle road where Lorraine Fleming amd Rosemary Walsh saw killer Luke Mitchell
Timeline of Events
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
10.51pm Luke leaves the house with a torch and the dog. It is still light, but beginning to get dark the sky is blue rather than black)
11.03 11.05pm Luke sees people at the Easthouses end of the path. They do not come towards him, but wait for him to approach. It is the family search party.
11.06pm A call is answered on the landline in Alice Walkers house. The family search party claim they left after this call was taken. If the plan had been for Luke to leave immediately (at 10.49pm) to meet the other members of the search party, why did Judy wait until 6 minutes past 11, a full 15 minutes, before calling them to tell them of this arrangement?
And how did they manage to be at the top of the path before this time?
11.10 11.25pm The search party go back down the path, and find the body.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
00.00-00.15 Forensics officer arrives at the scene, but cannot climb over the wall, so leaves. The body is uncovered.
03.00am Craig Dobbie becomes SIO
4.00am-4.30am The family search party is in Judys house, the police begin to take their statements (more than 4 hours after Luke is taken in, and after they have had the opportunity to speak to other members of the family. Their clothes are not taken for forensic examination, neither are they examined, or have samples taken.)
05.00-05.30 Police photographer/videographer records the scene. Overhanging branches have been cut down to make it easier for him to take pictures. During this time, Dobbie has spoken to the pathologist it appears he took the pathologist to the scene, although this is not absolutely clear from the records, and he was never asked directly. The body is still uncovered.
00.00-08.00am Sometime during this 8 hour period, the body was moved, rolled onto a plastic sheet, and items around it gathered up. There is no record of when this was done, or by whom. The body was left uncovered in the rain for the whole of this period.
A condom, leaking fresh semen, was found yards from the body in the early hours of July 1st. It is known, with absolute certainty, that the person who filled this condom did so behind the wall, close to where Jodi's body was found, on the evening of June 30th, and that when he was finally traced, some three years later, the statement he gave to police was demonstrably untrue. He was never investigated for this murder.
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Here is the May 2010 timeline former policeman John put together based on what he was told by scammers Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton and possibly what he gleaned from media articles around the time(?)
John had also visited the area back in 2009 and had taken in a series of photographs - including the one of the wooden gate on Newbattle road where Lorraine Fleming amd Rosemary Walsh saw killer Luke Mitchell
Timeline of Events
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5:05pm - At around the time the youths (JF & GD) were seen re-starting their bike was around the same time Leonard Kelly heard what he did behind that wall near the V
Leonard Kelly was out getting some exercise on his mountain bike
He didn’t live far from the path and was home by around 5:15-5:20pm
Leonard Kelly also heard a further noise a bit further up the path - which would have been aprrox a minute or two after he heard the first noises
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John also stated back then
John - May 2010
As far as I can see the behaviour of Luke was wholly consistent with having gone out to meet Jodi. He checks the time at 5.03 whilst on way to meet her and then phones her home at 5.32 and 5.40. He later leaves messages for her as any teenager would and goes off to mess in the Abbey.
Corinne Mitchell
John
Luke was in the house between 5 and 5.30 ....eating his dinner. And here lies the problem they say we are lying.
should add to that.....I was also in the house eating my dinner as was Shane, albeit differnt rooms. Shane was in his bedroom , upstairs, I was outside and Luke was in the livingroom.
Jodi didn't have a "normal" time to come to our house. different days different times. They usually hung about outside and went to her grans quite a lot
Sandra Lean
the SIO Craig Dobbie said that there was no DNA which had been "unaccounted for" (ie, every DNA sample they found had been traced to someone identifiable) and this, therefore, ruled out an "unknown" killer.
But when the DNA reports were finally revealed, there were five "unidentified" male DNA profiles, and five unidentified "mixed" profiles (Jodi+ unknown person, in three of them, the other two simply labelled "unknown.")
Therefore, Mr Dobbie's claim that all of the DNA recovered from the scene had been "accounted for" and matched to "known persons" was not true.
No explanation was ever given as to why Findlay dropped interest in Falconer. This came as a total surprise to the family, especially when it emerged that Falconer's "explanation" was demonstrably untrue.
If he had been behind the wall discarding the condom at the time he said he was, he would have had to step over the body twice - once on the way down, and again on the way back. He claimed to have been given the condom by a particular person, but it turned out that he did not even know the person at the time.
The only person who knows why this man was allowed to go without further investigation is Findlay himself.
John
By your logic then there is also not a shred of evidence that connects Luke with Jodi Jones. So why drop one suspect and retain the other, rather convenient me thinks!
Off course it was found 50 metres away, he was hardly going to throw it on top of the corpse now was he?
Definition of a lie! A false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood or something intended or serving to convey a false impression.
So Dobbie lied then?
Nugnug
there was no dna to link mark Kane to the scene but findley kept him as a suspect so that is strange l
Sandra Lean
Wullie said, "One reason I think would be because there is not a shread of evidence to link this DNA tested Condom to Jodi Jones"
Firstly, Wullie, there is not a shred of evidence to link Luke to the murder, not even DNA from a semen filled condom, but that did not stop the police from building a case against him.
This semen in the condom was "fresh" when found in the early hours of July 1st, which meant the donor must have been in the vicinity in recent hours. That leaves us with only two possibilities - he deposited the condom after Jodi's body was found (highly unlikely), or he did so before she was found but, critically, on the evening she was murdered, which should automatically have brought him onto the enquiry.
The claimed time of death is 5.15pm, which means, according to this man's story, Jodi had been dead some four hours before he deposited the semen filled condom, and he would have had to have passed the body twice in order to deposit it where it was found.
Therefore it is his own statement which raises serious doubts, either about the claimed time of death, or about the truth of his account.
He did not come forward at all, and was only identified three years later.
Items at the murder scene were "moved and gathered up" (this is in the transcripts, Mr Scrimger the forensics officer gave this evidence), so there really is nothing to say that the condom had always been where it was eventually found.
I take your point that used condoms will no doubt litter woodland up and down the country, but this is not just any old condom dumped in any old woodland at any old time.
The point about this man is that he was not considered a suspect, and then, when he did finally come to police attention, he was not properly investigated. It may well be that he had nothing to do with it, but he is placed at the crime scene by his own DNA, and that should have made him a suspect, and, at the very least, he should have been proerly investigated and ruled out, neither of which he has ever been.
It is the nature of the "investigation" I am criticising here, rather than making assumptions about who may or may not have killed Jodi.
Apologies, but I will most probably not be able to post again until the weekend.
sorry for the repetition - hadn't seen the other posts.
Yes, John, it appears Mr Dobbie was untruthful, as was Mr Beckett QC who told the court that the DNA in the condom was "no match whatsoever" to Mr F.
I have the DNA results - it's a full 10 marker match.
Sorry, really have to go now
Curious
Thank you for your replies everyone, about the condom.
So for some mysterious reason a used condom that had been discarded in the woods on the night of the murder, after the murder had occurred, just 50 yards from the murder scene was deemed irrelevant / not important?
If I may, onto the semen found on the bra strap. Are there any reports, newspaper articles or the like that corroborates this?.
Ami
Hi Wullie I thought this person was only identified because he was involved in a crime three years later . So he has been charged with a crime..
Now Mitchell's new defence team is preparing to apply for a fresh appeal based partly on the original forensics investigation, the details of which have never before been made public. The new defence team say the original police forensic service laboratory report and biology report contradict the prosecution case that the murder did not have a sexual motive, as semen was found on Jodi's body.
The reports also show, the new defence team says, that a blood sample found on her produced a full DNA match with a named individual and a second full DNA profile, for an unknown male, was retrieved from a condom found near the body.
The latter individual was identified three years later when he committed a crime and provided a match on the DNA database.
Mitchell's current solicitor, John Carroll, said: "It [the DNA evidence] could put two people, two associated people, at the locus in circumstances that require an explanation. If the jury had heard of this, a number of things could have arisen."
Con
How can you quote something that has not been made public? Are you privy to a copy of of all the details?
John
OK Wullie, so there isn't a direct link as yet between condom man Falconer and Jodi Jones other than they shared the same piece of ground to a radius of 50 metres after her death.
1. Why did he not come forward?
2. Why did he lie through his teeth when detected?
3. Why did he hide condoms and gloves behind a radiator at his girlfriends house?
4. What was he doing on the path that evening anyway?
5. Has he an alibi for that evening between 5pm and 6pm?
There is no direct link either between Luke and Jodi but he was convicted!
John
According to Jodi's mother, she left to meet Luke saying "save me some dinner".
Now Jodi would hardly have said this if Luke was out and about. Corinne was at work. He was obviously making dinner at home having been told that Jodi was grounded. When her mother told her that she could go out to meet Luke she took off like a hare, thus the comment overheard by her mother as "save me some dinner".
John
So according to Luke, he never walked the path to Easthouses that evening prior to the alarm being raised after 10.51pm. He stayed at the Newbattle end and played with his mate(s) when Jodi didn't show. He couldn't phone her because she didn't have a mobile phone with her.
Why didn't Luke go to meet her on the path knowing that it was out of bounds for her on her own? When she didn't turn up would he not have been concerned for her as it was getting late and when Alan Ovens said that she had already left to meet him.
5.40 to 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on the wall at the end of Abbey Crescent which sets the scene for him waiting for Jodi. This siting is positive and cannot be challenged.
5.50 to 6.05 Several witnesses gave evidence that a youth was seen between Abbey Crescent and the entrance of Roans Dyke path. This again confirms Luke's assertion that he wandered about near Barondale Cottages waiting for Jodi.
Was this common practice for Luke to wait for Jodi at his end of the path??
6.50 to 6.55 Luke gets bored waiting for Jodi so phones some mates to see if they will meet up. Again, why did he not go to find her or was it the norm for him to wait on Newbattle Road.
7.00 He eventually gets fed up waiting and phones Corinne to tell her that if Jodi shows up to go to the Abbey.
Just where exactly does Luke have time to murder Jodi, wash up, dispose of the evidence, make several phone calls, be seen by several witnesses and play with his pals ??? I would really like to know ???
Nugnug
im not sure 450pm to 540pm would give him 50m to do the murder mutilate the body clean himself changed his clothes and then go out again to wait for someone he knew wasnt going to turn up becouse he had killed them
thats pushing it for time a bit
Nugnug
i wonder weather it happened later than they claim i would have have thought at 530pm or so there would of been a fair few people about coming home from work and such at that time you couldn't rely on not being spotted
John_C
I forget where at the moment, but I seem to remember someone either here or on another forum suggesting that the crime could have been committed somewhere else and Jodi's body moved later.
If that were indeed the case, is it possible that the body was moved at a time when the area was less busy? It wouldn't necessarily take too long, though that obviously depends on access and I can only go by google earth which is not the best method
Nugnug
there was blood spray on the wall so i think she must have been killed there.
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas',
I note someone now posting under “Boy C McC” staring;
“The police seemed to believe that Luke had disposed of a Germany army shirt, after the murder. This later changed to a green parka”
*&^^&
What clothing items did the Jones/Walker family members tell police they recalled seeing killer Luke Mitchell wearing before he committed his murder?
He didn’t become a suspect until the 3rd July 2003
5 days later - on the 8th July 2003 - Rosemary Walsh gave the police a sworn statement in which she described killer Luke Mitchell wearing a parka jacket
Why would the police have “seemed to believe” sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had disposed of a German army shirt?
*&^^&
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't. How deplorable that would be, to see an arguable, cult like following, descend into such desperation,
How many sock puppet accounts do you lot have?
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I note someone now posting under “Boy C McC” staring;
“The police seemed to believe that Luke had disposed of a Germany army shirt, after the murder. This later changed to a green parka”
Have you considered sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell could have been wearing a green army shirt under his parka ?
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Again - Rosemary Walsh gave her 1st sworn police statement on the 8th July 2003 in which she stated;
“If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
Christopher John Halkides - Facebook
Ms. Walsh contaminated Ms. Fleming's evidence. From the 2008 appeal: "Miss Fleming's police statement hinted at what may actually have occurred. She had informed the police that Miss Walsh, the sister of her partner, provided her with a copy of the Daily Record of 15 August 2003 on 21 August. Miss Walsh spoke to having seen this newspaper and to it featuring a picture of the appellant whom she recognised as the male she had seen. She accepted that she had then shown this picture to Miss Fleming. This demonstrated that Miss Fleming had been confused about how she came to see the picture and that she had manufactured a piece of evidence. The cross-contamination of the identification evidence between Miss Walsh and Miss Fleming was of particular importance, given the fact that no identification parade had taken place."
They were together in the same car and saw the same thing
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell hadn’t worn his replacement parka jacket until after Rosemary Walsh made her statement
And the first photograph of him wearing his replacement parka wasn’t published until the 15th August 2003
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Have you considered sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell could have been wearing a green army shirt under his parka ?
Presumably a stiff, crisp long-sleeved one??
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James Easton
Thank you for this intriguing research
Is there actually any reported sighting of Luke Mitchell, wearing clothes with suspicious bloodstains?
AJ Az aka Ana Justice🙄
James Easton None. Even if it could be said that it's odd, that he may seemingly have been wearing a green shirt, even though we've been told that he had been wearing a green bomber jacket all day - this witness saw Luke (around 6pm) after the time Police believe the murder occurred (5.15pm). There was no mention of any blood stains, so, why would there have been a need to dispose of it?
What item of clothing did sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell tell the police during his interview that they had seized?
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Have you considered sadistic murderer and sexual deviant Luke Mitchell could have been wearing a green army shirt under his parka ?
Would be useful if the three boys' testimonies were uploaded. Didn't the other boys describe a bomber jacket and not a shirt??
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AJ Az aka Ana Justice🙄
James Easton None. Even if it could be said that it's odd, that he may seemingly have been wearing a green shirt, even though we've been told that he had been wearing a green bomber jacket all day - this witness saw Luke (around 6pm) after the time Police believe the murder occurred (5.15pm). There was no mention of any blood stains, so, why would there have been a need to dispose of it?
*&^^&
There’s that word “believe”again
Where does it say this Ana?
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Presumably a stiff, crisp long-sleeved one??
as seen in the window of FLIP
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Would be useful if the three boys' testimonies were uploaded. Didn't the other boys describe a bomber jacket and not a shirt??
Andrew Holburn didn’t know sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell - he was about 4-5 years older
Grant Elliott had said the killer wore a bomber jacket to school
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Would be useful if the three boys' testimonies were uploaded. Didn't the other boys describe a bomber jacket and not a shirt??
Dean Houston’s evidence was 'I'm sure he was on the phone”
Dean Houston “occasionally cycled to school” with the killer
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Andrew Holburn didn’t know sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell - he was about 4-5 years older
Grant Elliott had said the killer wore a bomber jacket to school
What did the other 2 boys who knew LM say he was wearing that evening on NB road?? My memory's a bit fuzzy.
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Dean Houston’s evidence was 'I'm sure he was on the phone”
Dean Houston “occasionally cycled to school” with the killer
To Shane, perhaps? Or Corinne?
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How many sock puppet accounts do you lot have?
Does Seistan Non Serviem lead back to you lot too?
This was posted under your 6th May 2023 Facebook post James Easton
Seistan Non Serviem
It's just the heavy metal way of saying 'F__k the mainstream.' The punks were more political about it but it is sad that they succeeded in using this to impugn Luke's character and it should have been robustly defended. My hymn book had a pentagram, 666 and an inverted cross on it. We don't live in Iran or Saudi...
But in the court of public opinion, it's an easy smear.
I was disappointed that Luke regretted getting a copy of the Satanic Bible when in prison, because he wanted to find out what it was that he was supposed to be. It's a perfectly legal book FFS! If you read it, you'll discover that Satanists don't believe in the devil, let alone worship him. Most are atheists and the term 'satanist' serves a similar two fingered attitude to them as it does for metal fans and punks.
The worst thing really is that he was into really lame and tame mainstream shock rock. There's some seriously miserable, misanthropic stuff out there which I admit I wouldn't like my teenage son getting into but that's neither here nor there. This was a modern day witch trial plain and simple. Don't be different is the message.
Seistan Non Serviem
Heather Brunt Judas Priest and Rammstein were actually taken to court (they won) for inspiring murder and suicide. Fred West was apparently into Disney films. I know which one would set me off first! But yes, they are trying to frame their target as an 'outsider.'
Having read both The Satanic Bible and The Satanic Scriptures (easy reads BTW) what fascinates me is how many powerful people in our society seem to adhere to it's egoistic and selfish code. Luke was not one of them. He just liked to rock.
AJ Az
"On 14th April 2004, at the time of his arrest, the crown office had issued guidance to newspaper editors confirming that Luke Mitchell had been charged with Jodi Jones' murder and was to appear in court the next day. Although he had been previously named, for the period after the arrest the majority of newspapers reported that 'a boy' had been arrested in relation to Jodi's murder, the Press and Journal fully named the then 15 year old boy.
The company (not the editor) Aberdeen Journals, was charged with a s.47 offence for breaching the Criminal Procedure Scotland Act 1995, which bans the publication of details that would lead to the identification of anyone under the age of 16 involved in criminal proceedings before a court.
The crown argued that proceedings were active when the article was published and that a warrant had been granted for Mitchells arrest on the 7th April, so should not have been named from this point onwards. The Newspaper argued that because Luke Mitchell had not yet appeared in court, 'what was published was not a report of any proceeding in court'.
Due to the strict wording of s.47 the sheriff concluded 'Although it might be thought that what did appear might be regarded as an attempt to circumvent the provisions of s.47, I believe that the correct approach to the matter was to strictly construe this section and when I do that I simply have no difficulty in concluding that what appeared in the newspaper in the day in question did not amount to a breach of s.47'."
Under which AJ Az aka Ana Azaria aka Ana Justice aka Donna Dee aka ILove Steak aka Boy C McC 🙄 stated;
AJ Az
Debz Tay Hi Debz, would you be able to edit the swear? It just stops trolls from being able to report the group - thanks :) We did have a post with info about Luke being named - will see if I can find it for you!
AJ Az
Debz Tay No problem at all Debz, you didn't do anything wrong - it's just frustrating that we need to be careful. There's a lot of trolls out there who will use what they can. And yep, there are so many things like this in Luke's case, where they just bent the rules. It's shocking!
I bet the police would have a field day with all your devices
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I note someone posting under 'Nicholas', mentions:
"It’s a shame James Easten doesn’t appear to have the wherewithal to advise his family member/s to do the same".
Hey, that's almost my name.
Good job it isn't. How deplorable that would be, to see an arguable, cult like following, descend into such desperation, they have zero hesitation in posting personal diatribe,
Here’s “ILove Steak” AJ Az aka Ana Azaria aka Ana Justice aka Donna Dee aka Boy C McC and some of their diatribe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnh7DM1uxcs
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To Shane, perhaps? Or Corinne?
Why would he be phoning his mother Corinne Mitchell if (according to his nonsense) he had only just left her?
It was Grant Elliott who cycled back after getting a puncture in his tyre, so the productions relating to killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile telephone records should make it clear what time exactly the 3 youths saw him and who he phoned
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Dean Houston’s evidence was 'I'm sure he was on the phone”
Dean Houston “occasionally cycled to school” with the killer
To Shane, perhaps? Or Corinne?
If you look at the timeline put together back in May 2010 the only phone call around about that time was the 5:40pm one to Judith Jones house
Timeline of Events
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there..
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AJ Az aka Ana Justice🙄
James Easton None. Even if it could be said that it's odd, that he may seemingly have been wearing a green shirt, even though we've been told that he had been wearing a green bomber jacket all day - this witness saw Luke (around 6pm) after the time Police believe the murder occurred (5.15pm). There was no mention of any blood stains, so, why would there have been a need to dispose of it?
Did Andrew Holburn see killer Luke Mitchell at “around 6pm” or was the time nearer to around 5:45-5:50pm at stated back in 2010?
Timeline of Events
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there..
Dean Houston, Grant Elliott and Andrew Holburn could have seen killer Luke Mitchell at around 5:40pm when he phoned and spoke to Allen Ovens
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AJ Az
Debz Tay No problem at all Debz, you didn't do anything wrong - it's just frustrating that we need to be careful. There's a lot of trolls out there who will use what they can. And yep, there are so many things like this in Luke's case, where they just bent the rules. It's shocking!
This sounds like your own psychological projections AJ Az, Ana, Boy C, Donna or whoever you will be next 🙄
Killer Luke Mitchell: Deluded ‘Flying Monkey’s’ Ronnie & Ana & Their Double Binds (Part 103)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/27872
Killer Luke Mitchell: Ana Azaria’s Snippets & Assumptions Are Based On Proven Liar & Trickster Sandra Lean (Part 81)
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https://wordpress.com/post/theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/25979
Killer Luke Mitchell: Sandra Lean & WAP - A Forum That Did The Very Thing It Was Titled As, Wrongly Accusing Multiple People (Part 161)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/02/10/killer-luke-mitchell-wap-a-forum-that-did-the-very-thing-it-was-titled-as-wrongly-accusing-multiple-people-part-159/
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AJ Az - Facebook 5th October 2022
Cyclist heard motorbike behind wall
Another prosecution witness who stood at trial, was cyclist LK. He had described initially, hearing a rustling sound as he cycled past the area. By the trial, he was describing a strangling, human sound behind the wall. He also said: “It sounded like a gargling, restriction of someone’s throat." He estimated that the time he was in the area was between 5.05pm and 5.20pm. LK said he was alarmed when he heard the noise but had not stopped because of nerves. The prosecution attempted to use his description to further back up the claimed 5.15pm time of the murder. But – LK also stated: "I said to police in my statement that I heard a motorcycle in the woods on the other side of the wall. It seemed quite far away from the wall.”
What didn’t appear to have been questioned was, if LK had heard the moped while it was still clearly running and while he heard sounds that the prosecution believed could have been the murder taking place – and the other witness had seen the moped leaning against the V break in the wall, after it had ‘cut out’ (5.15pm)...where does that place the moped/moped boys in relation to the time of the murder? They said that they did not see Jodi, but they were in the area at and just after the sounds heard by LK, which were used by the prosecution to back up the time of death.
The appeal documents stated that LK did not see the moped boys, nor he them – suggesting that the moped boys were not in the area at the time of the murder, dismissing their relevance. However, they did not mention that LK heard a motorbike or acknowledge that this was before the bike cut out and was leaning against the wall!
The moped boys had discussed “everything” for the 5 days before going to the police and had lied about the time they were there.
JF & GDs statements largely mentioned Luke – knives, cannabis, weirdness. Their statements didn’t mention themselves until several pages in as they were so focused on Luke.
A pair of “muddy” & “damp” gloves were found in YW’s behind a radiator and reported to the police, both JF & GD said they belonged to them. Initially JF said that he had borrowed the gloves from his brother and that he had stored them in a drawer along with some condoms a knife and his wallet, according to JF the gloves were dry when he put them in the drawer and could not explain how they got damp or why they ended up behind the radiator.
In a statement dated November 26th GD said “The only other thing I remember about gloves is that sometime after the murder, JF said something about his sister YW finding a pair of wet gloves and giving them to the police. He said, 'I don’t know if they’re mine or yours but it’s a bit dodgy'. I don’t know what he meant by that but I wasn’t really bothered."
There was further confusion around what JF was wearing that night. In a statement given on 30th July JF said he had been wearing a blue sweatshirt – in a previous statement he had said he wore a yellow top.
Despite being unable to explain their movements that day at the scene of the crime and the subsequent strange behaviour which was not followed up as a reasonable line of enquiry by the police, JF and GD were still called on to give evidence AGAINST Luke.
The moped was destroyed in the days after the murder and could not be forensically tested.
#statements
#changingstatements
#factsvmedia
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No Donna - Leonard Kelly first heard a “rustling sound” then the “strangling” sound followed straight after
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“I said to police in my statement that I heard a motorcycle in the woods on the other side of the wall. It seemed quite far away from the wall” ~ Leonard Kelly
From the BBC - 30th November 2004
“A cyclist has claimed that he heard strangulation noises as he biked up a path near where the body of Midlothian schoolgirl Jodi Jones was found.
Leonard Kelly told the High Court in Edinburgh that he was alarmed and frightened by the noise.
Why didn’t the BBC report on the other witnesses who gave evidence in support of Leonard Kelly’s evidence?
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Heather Brunt again publishing photographs of an innocent man not remotely linked to this case in anyway, shape or form
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Rachel Roll - Facebook 24th April 2023
The Daily Record who just last month reported on the DNA swabs that were never tested have got another article up today... Family of murdered Jodi Jones slam campaigners who claim DNA samples were 'never tested'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/family-murdered-jodi-jones-slam-29789352
Heather Brunt
Sandra Lean I wasted a day on that article. I'll be pinching bits all day from your post to tweet if that's ok. Just the factual stuff. The bull SF had yesterday was frustrating to read from the DR and twitter, the usual culprit.
Sandra Lean
Heather Brunt You use anything you like, Heather!!! This stuff makes me so angry, but I don't have the time to follow up on it, especially when it's everywhere at once. So happy to see you nailing them, though - thank you!!!
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How many sock puppet accounts do you lot have?
Was this also you James Easton ?
Seistan Non Serviem
Thank goodness they only "slammed" us. We might have been "blasted" and Sandra could've been called a "boffin."
It doesn't matter one way or the other what the victim's family think. Proximity to the victim doesn't afford privileged insight.
They can't even name the 'journalist' who wrote the piece, let alone the family member. It's pathetic.
or was this James ‘Junior’ Easton ?
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Heather Brunt again publishing photographs of an innocent man not remotely linked to this case in anyway, shape or form
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Rachel Roll - Facebook 24th April 2023
The Daily Record who just last month reported on the DNA swabs that were never tested have got another article up today... Family of murdered Jodi Jones slam campaigners who claim DNA samples were 'never tested'
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/family-murdered-jodi-jones-slam-29789352
Heather Brunt
Sandra Lean I wasted a day on that article. I'll be pinching bits all day from your post to tweet if that's ok. Just the factual stuff. The bull SF had yesterday was frustrating to read from the DR and twitter, the usual culprit.
Sandra Lean
Heather Brunt You use anything you like, Heather!!! This stuff makes me so angry, but I don't have the time to follow up on it, especially when it's everywhere at once. So happy to see you nailing them, though - thank you!!!
AJ Az
On one hand, they're saying that the Police told them everything had been tested and therefor this should be trusted and is fact - but on the other hand, they're saying that untested evidence on a list - provided by the Police - doesn't actually exist, because 'Luke supporters know nothing about the CJS'.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
What knowledge of the criminal justice system do you have Donna?
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Freddie Gren Aka Gemma Chapman
There is nothing coherent with a different view. Some ramblings here and there on twitter and forums lead by a person known to the case, other than that...
Who were you referring to Gemma?
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Was this also you James Easton ?
Seistan Non Serviem
Thank goodness they only "slammed" us. We might have been "blasted" and Sandra could've been called a "boffin."
It doesn't matter one way or the other what the victim's family think. Proximity to the victim doesn't afford privileged insight.
They can't even name the 'journalist' who wrote the piece, let alone the family member. It's pathetic.
or was this James ‘Junior’ Easton ?
Seistan Non Serviem - Facebook 3rd October 2023
I don't mean to be rough but the "other point of view" is the dominant one: It's that he was found guilty by a jury and therefore did it.
The "other point of view" has a 14 year old banged up for 20 years with no prospect of release for a murder he literally couldn't have committed in the only time frame the police could find to fit up their only suspect.
We are the other point of view!
Seistan Non Serviem
Mary J Hamilton It's bollocks. To contend that the majority of people in Luke's street, Dalkeith or wider think he's innocent is bollocks. The majority 'think' what they are spoon fed because they are lazy and disinterested that's all. If it came out on telly tomorrow that there was nothing at all to convict Luke (which is true) then they'd believe that because they'd believe anything. If you're looking for conspiracy theories such as ned s..m families with aristocratic connections, then you are being sent down one of the many rabbit holes they have dug for us.
The truth is in front of the face of those who scratch the surface of this farce, not buried beneath ancient bloodlines designed to distract us all.
Seistan Non Serviem - 23rd October 2023
We share 98% of our DNA with pigs🤣 I think the closest they got to Luke was that the DNA was male.
Seistan Non Serviem
The cynical and profoundly dishonest attempt to mislead a jury is the elephant in the room here.
Seistan Non Serviem - 7th November 2023
Yes the timeframe makes it impossible INITSELF. 45mins to travel a kilometer undetected in rush hour, remove all traces of DNA from a "bloodbath" murder whilst retaining greasy hair, neck and grubby fingernails and all that only after he'd managed to remove ALL his own DNA traces from the crimescene while leaving those of 5 others. For me - that's enough ...but of course it gets more ridiculous...
Seistan Non Serviem - 20th November 2023
The book 'Innocents Betrayed' by Sandra Lean is your starting point.
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Initially, I didn't think she was of dubious character, but, the more exposure I've gotten to her, the more disillusioned I've become. I think she's a decent woman at heart, but does herself no favours by persisting with this obviously bogus campaign - particularly when a lot of her campaigners are wronguns. She would have more integrity if she had written books that highlight cases and convictions that actually were/are replete with inconsistencies and malpractice, or at least use her doctorate in a more positive and honest way, instead of the insidious, underhand way she has been.
Sandra Lean’s “doctorate” is based on sand
She made claim in/around 2010 she was not allowed to use any of the cases from her 1st innocence fraud book - what cases did she refer to in her ‘thesis’?
Sandra Lean
“Interviews for the PhD must be kept anonymous, and are a completely separate issue from any books. This is made absolutely clear to anyone who is participating in the research. Furthermore, cases which have been featured in the book cannot be used for the PhD. Again, documented evidence is available
Here Sandra Lean refers to Corinne Mitchell
Excerpt from page 137 of con-artist Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ Hidden In Plain View
“The mother of a minor, held by police in extremely traumatic circumstances, was unaware of his whereabouts, or the trauma which had occurred (the discovery of a murder victim). Her repeated attempts to reach him on his mobile phone were known to police, who were in possession of the mobile phone, but ignored for 90 minutes, after which she was simply told to make her way to the local police station. On arrival, she found her son had been stripped naked, searched, and placed in a paper suit, without any responsible adult present, even though police officers knew she was on her way to the police station.
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So, not home having imaginary conversations with mother at 5:05pm, not home having imaginary conversations with mother at 9pm, not home borrowing any torch of any imaginary brother at 10:50pm. Not home to leave from there with any mother or brother to go with him. Not standing around on Newbattle road waiting on any dead person and on it goes.
The worry of a son who had crossed over into being a killer, disappears leaving his mother frantic of what would happen next. Trying to get a hold of him. And they just keep on lying. Fantasist Forbes along with CM and of course your good self with Leans head on. This rushing to the station and upon her arrival her son being stripped and forensically examined all over. FF takes it one better, all within the hour of Mitchell leading Jodi's family directly to her body. Let us have a look at these lies, shall we?
One was indeed frantic, diving into those shoes and grabbing her coat to "run" like the proverbial bat out of hell to that station. Where was SM? where was PM? Has to "run" can't drive, no car? no one to take her there? So off she goes in what is a ten minute walk. The station chosen for ease of access, local to their house.
She is stopped on Newbattle Road, so a shorter distance still, the car with Luke sitting in the back. The police roll down the window and she blurts out in her worry, "Jodi's dead!" and asks "Is he under arrest?" She already knew that Jodi was dead, had known all evening, Luke had blanked her, only prior knowledge of the horrific deed in mind. The very reason for having no concern as stated. So she arrives a couple of minutes max behind her son at the station, he had not been stripped and forensically examined all over by the time of her arrival at all, had he now. - Compulsive liars with compulsive liars enabling him/them.
What did Shane Mitchell tell the police he was doing from around 10pm and beyond, before he was arrested for attempting to pervert the course of justice?
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Sandra Lean’s “doctorate” is based on sand
She made claim in/around 2010 she was not allowed to use any of the cases from her 1st innocence fraud book - what cases did she refer to in her ‘thesis’?
Page 141 of Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’
”One family reported a combination of misleading information, dishonesty, coercion and threats in quick succession, long before the accused was ever identified as a suspect:
“They brought us back from the station. We were exhausted, in total shock, we just couldn‟t believe it. We‟d been there all night, but there was nothing we could tell them... my son found the body, that was really it... Over the next few weeks, it was like a nightmare. The liaison officer was the worst. She kept telling us “It’s just procedure, it‟s just procedure.‟ That was their favourite – everything they did was just procedure. When they descended on us at 7 o‟clock in the morning, this female cop, she kept barking at me, stand up, sit down, go over there, get over here. I hadn‟t a clue what was going on, but I thought, well, we‟ve got nothing to hide – let them get on with it...they weren‟t going to find anything, cos there was nothing to find. I found out later they waited until we were out of the house, and then they searched it. They questioned my other son – they told him, we‟ve got people telling us this and that – trying to make him think his brother was lying...We didn‟t know what to do. I asked them, is *** a suspect? No, they said, this is just procedure. But they were telling his brother, if we find out you‟re lying ... that‟s really serious... you‟ll go down for it.‟
(family member, accused convicted, sentenced to 20 years.)
What time exatly did Shane Mitchell drop off clothes at Dalkeith police station and what did Shane do after he had done this?
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Excerpt from page 137 of con-artist Sandra Lean’s ‘thesis’ Hidden In Plain View
“The mother of a minor, held by police in extremely traumatic circumstances, was unaware of his whereabouts, or the trauma which had occurred (the discovery of a murder victim). Her repeated attempts to reach him on his mobile phone were known to police, who were in possession of the mobile phone, but ignored for 90 minutes, after which she was simply told to make her way to the local police station. On arrival, she found her son had been stripped naked, searched, and placed in a paper suit, without any responsible adult present, even though police officers knew she was on her way to the police station.
Why did sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell ignore his mother Corinne Mitchell’s calls for 90 minutes?
Liar Corinne Mitchell still hasn’t explained why, according to her killer son, she allegedly suggested he go out searching that ‘secluded path’ on his own that night and why Corinne or Shane Mitchell didn’t accompany him
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Here is the May 2010 timeline former policeman John put together based on what he was told by scammers Corinne Mitchell, Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton and possibly what he gleaned from media articles around the time(?)
Timeline of Events
4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pmCorinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
Alan Turnbull: And look at the next one for me please. By this stage the time is 17:10 and 24 seconds
Shane Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And it looks like you mother is leaving the shop
Shane Mitchell: Right
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THE KNIVES AND THE POEM
Additionally, case material analysis, incorporating the factual evidence from ongoing acquisition of, previously unseen in public, actual trial transcripts.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share
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THE KNIVES AND THE POEM
Additionally, case material analysis, incorporating the factual evidence from ongoing acquisition of, previously unseen in public, actual trial transcripts.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share (https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share)
James... Have you an alternative link, say to your blog, for those who are not and have no intention of being Facebook members?
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May 2019
James English: So was Luke, that night as well, did he go out and play with friends
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
James English: And did they go to court, were they witnesses
Corinne Mitchell: They weren’t in court no
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Both David Tullock and David High gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
The name of the other lad, who was with David Tullock, is not yet known
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Bogus Stirling University PhD Thesis Aptly Titled “Hiding In Plain View” (Part 280)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/04/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-her-stirling-university-phd-thesis-aptly-titled-hiding-in-plain-view/
Killer Simon Hall: Scammer Sandra Lean’s Fabricated ‘PhD’ Should Be Revoked With Immediate Effect! - Part 18g
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/31/quite-a-hall-tale-part-18f%ef%b8%8f/
Killer Simon Hall: Continued.. Sandra Lean’s Fabricated ‘PhD’ Should Be Revoked With Immediate Effect! - Part 18h
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/12/15/continued-sandra-leans-fabricated-phd-should-be-revoked-with-immediate-effect-part-18h%ef%b8%8f/
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May 2019
James English: So was Luke, that night as well, did he go out and play with friends
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
James English: And did they go to court, were they witnesses
Corinne Mitchell: They weren’t in court no
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Both David Tullock and David High gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
The name of the other lad, who was with David Tullock, is not yet known
May 2019
James English: What was the events, leading up to when Jodi went missing
Corrine Mitchell: Right, well Luke left the house at about 20 to 6 to sit at the end of our street, eh to wait for her coming
If this was the case, why didn’t liar Corinne Mitchell say her killer son Luke Mitchell made the 5:32pm amd 5:40pm phone calls when he was with her
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James Easton - Facebook 4th December 2023
Steph Donald Some years ago, I wrote a number of published ''positive' articles, related to the now well-known 'Rendlesham Forest, alleged, December, 1980 'UFO' incidents.
However, subsequently... quoting a related BBC article:
"James Easton, a writer specialising in UFO phenomena, recently unearthed the eyewitness reports, hidden in a released US government file.
Easton says that they make breathtaking reading. Each individual account conflicts with the other. But most damning of all is the admission that the men knew they were 'chasing lighthouse beams' from the Orford Ness lighthouse'.".
This resulted in a BBC documentary and also:
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2006/04/from-the-archive-the-truth-about-rendlesham/
The hate e-mail basket was resultantly overflowing!
Thankfully, I am way too thick-skinned and it comes with the territory, if you are perceived as threatening to someone's deep-rooted beliefs.
Conversely, I have researched cases which were a skeptic's delight, only to evidence the opposite and you end up with their wrath!
The Luke Mitchell case is, currently, a classic example of something I wrote in 2019:
"I'm happy to sit on the fence at present, giving due consideration and respect to alternative theories. Sure, it's often a pain in the @rse sitting up here... I can see both sides though...".
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You and Donna Aka Ana Azaria Aka AJ Az & all her other sock puppets were hardly sitting “on the fence” James Easton!
Many people are stating you and your daughter are more about “settling scores” with scammer Sandra Lean as opposed to actually exposing her and killer Luke Mitchell’s hoax PR spin campaign
What say you?
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James Easton - Facebook 4th December 2023
Steph Donald Some years ago, I wrote a number of published ''positive' articles, related to the now well-known 'Rendlesham Forest, alleged, December, 1980 'UFO' incidents.
However, subsequently... quoting a related BBC article:
"James Easton, a writer specialising in UFO phenomena, recently unearthed the eyewitness reports, hidden in a released US government file.
Easton says that they make breathtaking reading. Each individual account conflicts with the other. But most damning of all is the admission that the men knew they were 'chasing lighthouse beams' from the Orford Ness lighthouse'.".
This resulted in a BBC documentary and also:
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2006/04/from-the-archive-the-truth-about-rendlesham/
The hate e-mail basket was resultantly overflowing!
Thankfully, I am way too thick-skinned and it comes with the territory, if you are perceived as threatening to someone's deep-rooted beliefs.
Conversely, I have researched cases which were a skeptic's delight, only to evidence the opposite and you end up with their wrath!
The Luke Mitchell case is, currently, a classic example of something I wrote in 2019:
“I'm happy to sit on the fence at present, giving due consideration and respect to alternative theories. Sure, it's often a pain in the @rse sitting up here... I can see both sides though...".
If you are “way too thick-skinned” as you allege, why won’t you answer questions here?
It appears to many of us that you and your daughter perceive this forum as “threatening” - why?
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James Easton on the 19th November 2023 you stated on Twitter
“The transcripts are gradually being purchased by those who are well known as expressing concerns re a possible unsafe conviction”
Who are the people who are “well known as expressing concerns re a possible unsafe conviction” ?
Were you referring to yourself and you daughter and son?
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Christopher John Halkides
Regarding Fleming and Walsh, I don't find their testimony all that informative. Yet it might be worth pursuing the issue of the jogger that they also saw. Sandra Lean wrote that the jogger was found and went on to indicate that the jogger's route would place their alleged sighting of Luke closer to where he said he was, and therefore further from the entrance to the path.
James Easton
Christopher John Halkides Absolutely agreed re the jogger and thank you for the so meaningful contributions.
When have you ever seen Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming full testimony? 🙄
Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming saw killer Luke Mitchell at the wooden gate
A photograph of the wooden gate can be viewed here 👇 - taken by former policeman John in 2009
Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Laughable Eye Witness Testimony; Carol Heatlie, Rosemary Walsh, Lorraine Fleming, Andrina Bryson, Marion O’Sullivan, Derek Hamilton, Andrew Holburn, Dean Houston, Grant Elliot & The Jogger “Trick” (Part 43)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/04/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-43/
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd innocence fraud book page 126;
“Lorraine Fleming and Rosemary Walsh were sisters-in-law, who said they saw a youth who could have been Luke on the Newbattle Road, close to the entrance to the path.
There are two photographs in the above blog that show where the entrance to the path was in comparison to the wooden gate, where the two witnesses said they saw killer Luke Mitchell
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Where’s page 2198 of Shane Mitchell’s testimony?
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
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Where’s page 2198 of Shane Mitchell’s testimony?
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
Page 2200
What was Shane Mitchell “told to….. ?
What exactly did Corinne Mitchell tell her older son Shane when she phoned him from Dalkeith police station?
And if Shane “eventually” went back to bed, what time was this?
The court of appeal judgement stated at para 159
At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon
Did the appeal judges get the above wrong too or was the impression given at trial, that Shane Mitchell went to the police station earlier than he actually did?
Corinne Mitchell said her and her killer son Luke Mitchell were driven home from the police station by the police, so why did Shane Mitchell need to take clothes to the police station?
Killer Luke Mitchell would have been dropped off right to his door, no one would have seen him?
What exactly did the police officers who dealt with Corinne and killer Luke Mitchell tell the jury about the events of the night/morning of the 1st July 2003?
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Page 2200
What was Shane Mitchell “told to….. ?
What exactly did Corinne Mitchell tell her older son Shane when she phoned him from Dalkeith police station?
And if Shane “eventually” went back to bed, what time was this?
The court of appeal judgement stated at para 159
At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Did the appeal judges get the above wrong too or was the impression given at trial, that Shane Mitchell went to the police station earlier than he actually did?
Corinne Mitchell said her and her killer son Luke Mitchell were driven home from the police station by the police, so why did Shane Mitchell need to take clothes to the police station?
Killer Luke Mitchell would have been dropped off right to his door, no one would have seen him?
What exactly did the police officers who dealt with Corinne and killer Luke Mitchell tell the jury about the events of the night/morning of the 1st July 2003?
This is all very fishy
Killer Luke Mitchell claimed he got a torch from his brother Shane Mitchell before he went out pretending to search for Jodi Jones
Shane Mitchell did not support his killer brothers claim about the torch either
And Shane Mitchell said he didn’t hear about anything until his mother phoned and woke him up and asked him to bring killer Luke clothes to the police station
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James Easton - Facebook 4th December 2023
Steph Donald Some years ago, I wrote a number of published ''positive' articles, related to the now well-known 'Rendlesham Forest, alleged, December, 1980 'UFO' incidents.
However, subsequently... quoting a related BBC article:
"James Easton, a writer specialising in UFO phenomena, recently unearthed the eyewitness reports, hidden in a released US government file.
Easton says that they make breathtaking reading. Each individual account conflicts with the other. But most damning of all is the admission that the men knew they were 'chasing lighthouse beams' from the Orford Ness lighthouse'.".
This resulted in a BBC documentary and also:
https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2006/04/from-the-archive-the-truth-about-rendlesham/
The hate e-mail basket was resultantly overflowing!
Thankfully, I am way too thick-skinned and it comes with the territory, if you are perceived as threatening to someone's deep-rooted beliefs.
Conversely, I have researched cases which were a skeptic's delight, only to evidence the opposite and you end up with their wrath!
The Luke Mitchell case is, currently, a classic example of something I wrote in 2019:
"I'm happy to sit on the fence at present, giving due consideration and respect to alternative theories. Sure, it's often a pain in the @rse sitting up here... I can see both sides though...".
*&^^&
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Donna E did a video with that misogynist Matt Elliott after the crimes that shocked Scotland TV show on 20th October 2022. Their focus appeared to be to slate JH 🙄
Donna’s latest https://youtu.be/pzz2zcq5m9o?si=nqxd8M0Et-3vYIr2 using another sock puppet - “fellow ship” 🙄
Again Donna -
on the 8th July 2003 Rosemary Walsh stated in her 1st sworn police statement
“If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka
Rosemary Walsh’s statement was made before killer Luke Mitchell had even worn his new replacement parka, which he had purchased from FLIP on the 8th/9th July 2003 - depending on what date was accurate
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UPDATED
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Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Bogus Stirling University PhD Thesis Aptly Titled “Hiding In Plain View” (Part 280)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/04/killer-luke-mitchell-scammer-sandra-lean-her-stirling-university-phd-thesis-aptly-titled-hiding-in-plain-view/
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Rosemary Walsh’s statement was made before killer Luke Mitchell had even worn his new replacement parka, which he had purchased from FLIP on the 8th/9th July 2003 - depending on what date was accurate
There is a media article which stated killer Luke Mitchell bought the replacement parka jacket from FLIP 8 days after he committed his murder - which would be the 8th July 2003
A staff member recognised killer Like Mitchell when he went into FLIP that day and alerted his manager, who in turn alerted the police.
The staff member who recognised killer Luke knew Jodi Jones
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Donna E did a video with that misogynist Matt Elliott after the crimes that shocked Scotland TV show on 20th October 2022. Their focus appeared to be to slate JH 🙄
Donna’s latest https://youtu.be/pzz2zcq5m9o?si=nqxd8M0Et-3vYIr2 using another sock puppet - “fellow ship” 🙄
Donna - the first photograph of killer Luke Mitchell wearing his replacement parka was published by the media on the 15th August 2003
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I think it's also quite telling that she omits the evidence of what it was that made this parka unique.
The unique aspect of this jacket was7 discussed at the original trial --
the German army badge on the sleeve.
SL, between pages p217-225 of IB, makes reference to a german army shirt that LM had owned, and mentions the young guy -- who was called as a witness in court -- who saw Luke wearing a khaki green parka before the murder, in a shop (Eskbank Trading).
There is a lot of deflection and deliberate omissions within these pages.
She makes out that the aforementioned young guy only said that he saw LM wearing a parka because LM was frequently pictured in the tv news and newspapers wearing a parka jacket since August 15th 2003 (the date when the very first pic of LM wearing a parka was made public);
however, what SL omits from IB is that this young guy was very specific during his court testimony, crucially saying that his sighting of LM wearing the parka in Eskbank Trading shop was BEFORE the murder.
The young guy was unequivocal about this. Also, this same young guy said that there was another reason for remembering his sighting -- because of the German Army badge on the sleeve, and that his own mother had the exact same jacket.
Clear deflection and omission by SL, imo, as, presumably, she had read about all of this in the case files she has access to?
Anyway, after delving a little further into the case, the army clothing and Luke's Army Cadet membership becomes very significant indeed, imo.
Yet, SL downplays it, or deliberately deflects and omits. It would be useful to read the case files to ascertain how many people mentioned LM wearing the Parka Jacket, specifically one with a German Army badge on the sleeve, prior to the murder?
I wonder, too, how many of the 8 eyewitnesses called to court specifically to give evidence in relation the parka jacket sightings prior to ther murder, made reference to a german army badge on sleeve?
Remember, the police had 20 witnesses in total willing to testify about LM wearing a parka before the murder, but only used 8 of those in court. AB, LF, RW and the young guy from Eskbank Trading all made reference to Army clothing/parka jacket with German Army badge on sleeve.
Does anyone know who else mentions this? Oh, allegedly JudJ testified under oath that LM had worn a green parka before the murder.
Anyone care to chip in or add anything to the above?
8th July 2003 - Rosemary Walsh stated in her statement to police “If I was to describe what type of jacket, I’d say a parka”
9th July 2003 - Andrew Holburn stated to police Luke was wearing dark blue baggy jeans and a dark green shirt
"It was definitely, definitely a shirt, not a jacket
"I think it was buttoned-up but I couldn't see anything underneath it
"It was about down to the waist of his jeans and baggy
"I might have seen a shirt like in the window of Flip, it's a boardy punk shop up the bridges
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
8th or 9th July 2003 - Killer Luke Mitchell bought the replacement parka from FLIP
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'SMOKE AND MIRRORS'
If perhaps of related interest...
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/601983778689016/
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'SMOKE AND MIRRORS'
If perhaps of related interest...
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/601983778689016/
I'm with Myster - It's enough joining X, no intention of being on FB. Sure whatever is being discussed will make its way into other areas though.
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I'm with Myster - It's enough joining X, no intention of being on FB. Sure whatever is being discussed will make its way into other areas though.
Why do Donna and James Easton appear intent on putting more misinformation into the public domain?
“Misinformation” is something Donna whinged about in a 20th October 2022 video on Facebook
It was Jigsawman who was “unmasked” as Sandra Lean James Easton
Why aren’t you seemingly interested in what Jigsawman posted on the “fact & myth” forum?
Donna Easton claims in her latest video it was “difficult” for her to find photos of killer Luke Mitchell wearing his replacement parka
Wasn’t he meant to be all over the media in this replacement parka?
Why had Donna found it “difficult” ?
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Christopher John Halkides
As the person who began the LM thread at the International Skeptics Forum in 2019, I am a bit puzzled. I am not aware of a previous thread on Mitchell circa 2010 (the forum had a different name then: JREFF). Sandra Lean did make a few comments in the 2019 thread under her own name. As an aside, I recommend the ISF thread chiefly for Rolfe's contributions analyzing the deficiencies in the key eyewitness testimonies. Toward the end of the thread (which is still on-going), I added a number of comments which contrast good eyewitness practice with what was done in this case, and I gave examples of problematic eyewitness testimony from other cases to illustrate some of these points. Perhaps a separate thread on this subject would be worth considering.
Surprise surprise 🙄
You are yet another innocence fraud phenomenon grifter Chris Halkides
And it would appear the only reason you attempted to smear Roberta Glass on the same forum was because you know she too sees through grifters like yourself
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Matthew Elliott & Donna Easton & Their Protestations & Flawed “Research”For Innocence Fraud Pusher Bob Ruff (Part 282)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/05/killer-luke-mitchell-matthew-elliott-donna-easton-their-protestations-researchfor-innocence-fraud-pusher-bob-ruff-part-282/
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Christopher John Halkides
As the person who began the LM thread at the International Skeptics Forum in 2019, I am a bit puzzled. I am not aware of a previous thread on Mitchell circa 2010 (the forum had a different name then: JREFF).
One of the first forums which referred to sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was the Gerard Keegan forum
Gerard Keegan called himself theweeman and a killer LM thread was started on the 22nd January 2005
https://gerardkeegan.proboards.com/thread/247/luke-mitchell
It is very possible scammer Sandra Lean may have posted to this forum before Colin Bowman aka bobbiedog set up his LM “fact and myth” forum - which Sandra Lean joined in August 2005 as Jigsawman
There have been numerous forums since then, including many which no longer exist - this includes the “fact and myth” forum, the WAP forum, the Glasgow forum and there was a previous forum to this forum
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Christopher John Halkides
As the person who began the LM thread at the International Skeptics Forum in 2019, I am a bit puzzled. I am not aware of a previous thread on Mitchell circa 2010 (the forum had a different name then: JREFF). Sandra Lean did make a few comments in the 2019 thread under her own name. As an aside, I recommend the ISF thread chiefly for Rolfe's contributions analyzing the deficiencies in the key eyewitness testimonies. Toward the end of the thread (which is still on-going), I added a number of comments which contrast good eyewitness practice with what was done in this case, and I gave examples of problematic eyewitness testimony from other cases to illustrate some of these points. Perhaps a separate thread on this subject would be worth considering.
And no doubt you referred to other examples of innocence fraud cases/public relations spin campaigns
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Christopher John Halkides
As the person who began the LM thread at the International Skeptics Forum in 2019, I am a bit puzzled. I am not aware of a previous thread on Mitchell circa 2010 (the forum had a different name then: JREFF). Sandra Lean did make a few comments in the 2019 thread under her own name. As an aside, I recommend the ISF thread chiefly for Rolfe's contributions analyzing the deficiencies in the key eyewitness testimonies. Toward the end of the thread (which is still on-going), I added a number of comments which contrast good eyewitness practice with what was done in this case, and I gave examples of problematic eyewitness testimony from other cases to illustrate some of these points. Perhaps a separate thread on this subject would be worth considering.
“Good eyewitness practice” - what nonsense!
You should not conflate one case with another - just as you should not conflate one eye witnesses with the next eye witness
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One of the first forums which referred to sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was the Gerard Keegan forum
Gerard Keegan called himself theweeman and a killer LM thread was started on the 22nd January 2005
https://gerardkeegan.proboards.com/thread/247/luke-mitchell
Psychology student Colin Bowman aka bobbiedog stated on the 31st January 2005;
“Has anyone entertained the notion that he might be innocent?
Or, if not convinced of his innocence, been concerned by the nature of his prosecution?
and by the 1st February 2005 Colin Bowman stated
thinksoutsidethebox, I've personally spoken to Mrs Mitchell by phone, and to a professional prison worker also in contact with the family: and we have shared concerns about the case.
I am mindful to remain in contact with the family, and become part of a loose network supporting Luke and his family: and to over time, and cooperatively make the whole matter of the prosecution's material something that we chew over; and, perhaps, seek a long term push to have the verdict overturned as unsafe.
I think that every aspect of the "evidence", from local Dalkeith, through the police and the media, and including the expert testimony: leaves ground for grave concern.
I take it to be something of a ground breaking case: perhaps legitimating new canons of evidence.
The “loose network” supporting sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and his family would have included scammer Sandra Lean and Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren
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One of the first forums which referred to sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell was the Gerard Keegan forum
Gerard Keegan called himself theweeman and a killer LM thread was started on the 22nd January 2005
https://gerardkeegan.proboards.com/thread/247/luke-mitchell
On the 11th February 2005 Colin Bowman aka bobbiedog stated;
“I've written to Findlay, Mrs Mitchell and Luke: and subsequently spoken to Mrs Mitchell on the telephone; and have had telephone and e-mail contact with a prison visitor who has visted Luke with his mother, and as something of a supporter.
I have also had it reported to me by several sources, that a professional investigative journalist is currently undertaking local research, as are other private persons.
This is the best quality thread I have encountered on the net, which is addressing the Luke Mitchell issue.
It is clear that a significant body of people share your concern, from a broad spectrum of perspectives, and for a broad spectrum of reasons.
I have my own perspectival vein on this that I would wish to mine, in concert with others.
Some meeting and concert and pooling of understandings is indicated.
Personally I anticipate that the perspectives involved in overturning this verdict will be wieghty:
Luke Mitchell was found guilty by his times, by the peers of his times, and through the politically driven reformist social processes of his times; overturning this verdict, IMO, will involve some fundamental perspectival countervailing of these times.
That is a massive human endeavour: which means that you have to begin, prepared for a long haul, with the best of perspectival kit.
This becomes one reason amongst others, why any campaign will be soft-start and slow-start.
The others are that Donald Findlay has still to exhaust appeal procedures:
Mrs Mitchell is still bedding into her circumstance of distress; and Luke is not yet in fit condition to take the central role he must, in any campaign on his behalf.
Mrs Mitchell and Luke will meet and respond to this circumstance of theirs, in their own way.
Their ways do not yet interface with those others, who might eventually work in effective concert with them.
Mrs Mitchell is hurt, angry, wishing to effectively strike back against injustice done.
Luke is so immured in his sense of innocence, that he is yet to fully experience the depths of his predicament.
Both, perhaps, may take some time to exhaust native response: those supportive others who presently circle, as do we, have things to work out too.
Immediate concern is with Luke as a still developing young man, now denied much of what was his life. Just how he is to sustain personal integrity, and then continue to grow: that is some large matter.
I intend to tread water while keeping in touch with the family: and am keeping a contact list of those who have shown interest in supporting the Mitchell family; and that listing might contribute to a support group, when that begins to coalesce.
If anyone wishes to join such a list: then I can e-mail updates on whatever comes my way, as information and understanding, of what is happening and being considered.
My e-mail adress is : namwob.niloc@virgin.net.
If anyone has better suggestions about how to sustain contact between those who might eventually form the nucleus of a campaign or support group: then I would be most grateful for such suggestion.
I'll pass the news to the Mitchell family, by the conduit of relation that I have, that others think and feel as you do FairTrial. That news alone will be of great comfort to them; as it is also to me.
The visitors Colin Bowman referred to could have been Sandra Lean and her youngest daughter
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SHANE MITCHELL'S TESTIMONIES - CRITICAL EVIDENCE
Whilst seemingly, inevitably, resulting in damning condemnation from those on both sides of beliefs - 'water off a duck's arse, to me' - this might be significant and worthwhile pursuing.
Unless... opening Pandora's box and perhaps, would rather not...
Alas, sadly, I am unable to read any responses on this forum... however, if actually evidence related, please do so on the Facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/602112628676131/
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Whilst seemingly, inevitably, resulting in damning condemnation from those on both sides of beliefs - 'water off a duck's arse, to me' - this might be significant and worthwhile pursuing.
What is it with you and “sides” James Easton?
There’s a page missing from Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony - why?
Where’s page 2198 of Shane Mitchell’s testimony?
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html
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Alas, sadly, I am unable to read any responses on this forum...
*&^^&
Yet more of your deception James Easton
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SHANE MITCHELL'S TESTIMONIES - CRITICAL EVIDENCE
Where’s sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement which he made on 1st July 2003?
Do you not consider this “critical”?
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Defence Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/
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Alas, sadly, I am unable to read any responses on this forum... however, if actually evidence related, please do so on the Facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/602112628676131/
Corinne Mitchell - May 2010
John
Luke was in the house between 5 and 5.30 ....eating his dinner. And here lies the problem they say we are lying.
should add to that.....I was also in the house eating my dinner as was Shane, albeit differnt rooms. Shane was in his bedroom , upstairs, I was outside and Luke was in the livingroom.
Corinne Mitchell and her ‘double binds’
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Why would the police have “seemed to believe” sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had disposed of a German army shirt?
By the 14.08.03, as per LM's interview at DPS, the police had gathered intelligence and had taken witness statements regarding LM owning both a hip-length dull olive green German army parka jacket and a long olive green German army shirt. AH, the pushbike boy who didn't know LM (the other 2 boys, DH and GE, did know LM personally), was adamant and unambiguous that LM was wearing a long olive green german army shirt before 1800 on NB rd (it would be useful to read all of the boys' testimonies, as I would like clarification on the times they claim they saw LM at, what clothes they said he was wearing, and wether they waved over & acknowledged him and vice verca, etc, etc; perhaps LM was pretending to be on the phone so he didn't have to speak with them, keen to get on with his false alibi & disposal). I suggest he probably did destroy a shirt along with a jacket, not taking any chances as he must've been wearing the shirt underneath the parka when he murdered Jodi given he was spotted wearing it @ 1745/1750ish. This being the case, I presume he had planked/hidden the parka somewhere, between the F&W sighting and the 3 pushbike boys' sighting? He must've went home after the pushbike boys had seen him and changed into the shiny green bomber jacket with a black t-shirt underneath, then straight back onto the NB rd for 1800 or just before it (maybe SM was facilitating him during this window, maybe even using his car or corinne's car??). Such a mess!
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By the 14.08.03, as per LM's interview at DPS, the police had gathered intelligence and had taken witness statements regarding LM owning both a hip-length dull olive green German army parka jacket and a long olive green German army shirt. AH, the pushbike boy who didn't know LM (the other 2 boys, DH and GE, did know LM personally), was adamant and unambiguous that LM was wearing a long olive green german army shirt before 1800 on NB rd (it would be useful to read all of the boys' testimonies, as I would like clarification on the times they claim they saw LM at, what clothes they said he was wearing, and wether they waved over & acknowledged him and vice verca, etc, etc; perhaps LM was pretending to be on the phone so he didn't have to speak with them, keen to get on with his false alibi & disposal). I suggest he probably did destroy a shirt along with a jacket, not taking any chances as he must've been wearing the shirt underneath the parka when he murdered Jodi given he was spotted wearing it @ 1745/1750ish. This being the case, I presume he had planked/hidden the parka somewhere, between the F&W sighting and the 3 pushbike boys' sighting? He must've went home after the pushbike boys had seen him and changed into the shiny green bomber jacket with a black t-shirt underneath, then straight back onto the NB rd for 1800 or just before it (maybe SM was facilitating him during this window, maybe even using his car or corinne's car??). Such a mess!
Yes it’s looking that way
He was standing guard
Until he could get back home
Shane Mitchell said his killer brother Luke would be in the garden
I’d like to see what was said on page 2198 of Shane Mitchell’s trial testimony - he seemed indifferent to Jodi Jones
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Donna Easton has done another video
What’s interesting about Donna Easton’s latest two videos is the fact she used Andrew Holburn’s initials in her first video, yet in her second video Donna used the full names of Jodi Jones loved ones, as opposed to just their initials
Suggesting Donna perhaps sees Jodi Jones loved ones as fair game and their privacy isn’t as important as Andrew Holburn’s?
And scammer Sandra Lean is now being referred to by Donna as the title from her second innocence fraud book - “innocents betrayed”
It’s as though it’s the books fault for the bare faced lies, misinformation and disinformation told within its pages as opposed to the books author
And it wasn’t “Jodi’s murder” Donna! - It was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s murder!
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Donna Easton has done another video
Donna Easton there would have been umpteen “main planks”
In your latest video you stated;
”Main planks
* number 1 Finding of the body
* number 2 Witness sighting
* number 3 Luke’s brothers testimony
In reality - sadsistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s lies and concoctions would have been a main plank
Corinne Mitchell’s lies and concoctions would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell’s missing clothing and knives would have been a main plank
The fires/s in the Mitchell’s back garden would have been a main plank
Again there would have been a wealth of “main planks” Donna
Killer Luke Mitchell’s reference to the hair scrunchie would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell’s reference to the cords/jeans would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell claiming to the police Jodi Jones was a “missing space” then claiming he thought she had been grounded etc would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell flat effect would have also been a main plank
Kimberly Thomson would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell’s fantasy about committing murder would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell violent nature and “short fuse” would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell’s comments about Jodi Jones would have been a main plank
Killer Luke Mitchell planned 5th July 2003 trip to Kenmore would have been a main plank
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Donna Easton has done another video
What’s interesting about Donna Easton’s latest two videos is the fact she used Andrew Holburn’s initials in her first video, yet in her second video Donna used the full names of Jodi Jones loved ones, as opposed to just their initials
Suggesting Donna perhaps sees Jodi Jones loved ones as fair game and their privacy isn’t as important as Andrew Holburn’s?
And scammer Sandra Lean is now being referred to by Donna as the title from her second innocence fraud book - “innocents betrayed”
It’s as though it’s the books fault for the bare faced lies, misinformation and disinformation told within its pages as opposed to the books author
And it wasn’t “Jodi’s murder” Donna! - It was sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s murder!
It shows that the search trio were consistent, but it also implies they agreed with what LM claimed, which is blatantly false.
So it is 20 yards, to 20 yards to 25 yards but nothing of the directly "parallel to" - And nothing of the absolute fact, that anything from the trio around the dog was before and up to the V break and never past it! But then we have access to the transcripts to read, to show this. There is no, the dog coming to a sudden stop, sniffing the air, jumping up the wall and sniffing over it!
I get the impression, that whilst they wish to highlight the deception in place from Ms Lean, attempt to take some focus away from innocents because they never lied at all, it is still controlled to a degree, of the narrative that it was the dog who alerted to the body!?
What has taken place should make some people sit up and re-think. Those clear time scales that can never be changed!
5 1/2 minutes timed from setting off as a group of four. 40mins from LM (claiming to be home) initiating a search directly to the path, on that path around 8/9mins later. Holds back in the area until the others arrive, meet around 11:22pm (catching sight of each other). Walking down to be in his company, almost at the Gino break. Barely more than 5 1/2 mins later, approx 11:30pm he is shouting out from that woodland.
The barely more is the seconds LM was over the wall. We see clearer now, that whilst LM went to the V with his dog, starting to go up the wall, JaJ's with SK commenced their walk past this point. Around 10 -15ft no more than "20" when LM shouted out from "behind them". That they had already covered a few steps by the time LM was plonking his feet into the woodland? That AW had stood back from the wall, seeing LM to the right of the V break and not the left. That the other two had ran back that short distance and he was on the other side. It could not be clearer that LM was at least, in excess of 30ft away from that 43ft distance! That everything he described was from an earlier point in time. The tree by type, "5ft in from the wall" The clothing, injuries and that "scrunchy!" I don't believe LM moved into that passage at all now. And if he did, for a couple of feet go left, it had absolutely zero to do with anything to do with that dog!
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It shows that the search trio were consistent, but it also implies they agreed with what LM claimed, which is blatantly false.
Donna Easton is deceptive and sly
She has clearly had numerous sock puppet accounts (and continues to make more) and yet hypocrite Donna has been accusing people who don’t have numerous fake sock puppet accounts as being “trolls”
Unless hypocrite Donna Easton was referring to Jodi Jones loved ones as being the “trolls” 🙄
Why did Donna Easton choose to take renowned innocence fraud scammer Sandra Lean’s “second hand” stories as fact?
And why did Donna Easton choose to start referring to herself as a “group expert”?
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What has taken place should make some people sit up and re-think. Those clear time scales that can never be changed!
You would think it would be a massive red flag
Instead people like Sharon Indy Sunshine are being told to “stay safe” by dangerous, convicted murderers like Ray Gilbert
The same Sharon Indy Sunshine who stated “most of you people need to wise up, you are media sheep unable to think for yourselves ” 🙄
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/30/killer-luke-mitchell-naive-cult-like-follower-sharon-indy-sunshines-projections-part-104/
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It shows that the search trio were consistent, but it also implies they agreed with what LM claimed, which is blatantly false.
So it is 20 yards, to 20 yards to 25 yards but nothing of the directly "parallel to" - And nothing of the absolute fact, that anything from the trio around the dog was before and up to the V break and never past it!
Maybe Donna Easton will do a video on these facts when she has finally figured this part out ?
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What has taken place should make some people sit up and re-think. Those clear time scales that can never be changed!
5 1/2 minutes timed from setting off as a group of four. 40mins from LM (claiming to be home) initiating a search directly to the path, on that path around 8/9mins later. Holds back in the area until the others arrive, meet around 11:22pm (catching sight of each other). Walking down to be in his company, almost at the Gino break. Barely more than 5 1/2 mins later, approx 11:30pm he is shouting out from that woodland.
They don’t appear to be recognising the “panic” described by sadistic murder Luke Mitchell of Alice Walker, Janine Jones and Steven Kelly
The “panic” from the other three that killer Luke Mitchell was no doubt revelling in at the time
There was zero “panic” from killer Luke Mitchell - why would they be ? - This sadist knew what he had done - he knew what they behind that wall
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The barely more is the seconds LM was over the wall. We see clearer now, that whilst LM went to the V with his dog, starting to go up the wall, JaJ's with SK commenced their walk past this point. Around 10 -15ft no more than "20" when LM shouted out from "behind them". That they had already covered a few steps by the time LM was plonking his feet into the woodland? That AW had stood back from the wall, seeing LM to the right of the V break and not the left. That the other two had ran back that short distance and he was on the other side. It could not be clearer that LM was at least, in excess of 30ft away from that 43ft distance! That everything he described was from an earlier point in time. The tree by type, "5ft in from the wall" The clothing, injuries and that "scrunchy!" I don't believe LM moved into that passage at all now. And if he did, for a couple of feet go left, it had absolutely zero to do with anything to do with that dog!
This fact really stood out in those transcripts
It was as though the sadistic killer had already decided this would be the best vantage point for him as he watched this panicked trio discovering his crime scene
Why didn’t he phone 999 from the moment he claimed he “found something”?
Corinne Mitchell said she was brought up to “respect the police”, so why didn’t killer Luke Mitchell phone them immediately after allegedly seeing what he claimed he saw after climbing through the V break ?
Why did he wait until after Steven Kelly and Alice Walker had climbed over?
Why did he choose to hang this out?
Why didn’t he phone his mother Corinne Mitchell?
Why did he ignore his mothers phone calls - for 90 minutes!?
Not an ounce of emotion - whilst Steven Kelly was retching and Janine Jones and Alice Walker were distraught and all three of them were in shock
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell stood behind the V in the wall, separated from the other three (who were on the Roan’s Dyke path side) - and simply did not care
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It shows that the search trio were consistent, but it also implies they agreed with what LM claimed, which is blatantly false.
Donna Easton stated on the 29th November 2023::
“We have dedicated years to this campaign
We fought for justice for Luke based on specific facts we weee told - we absolutely have the right to speak out about the fact some of them weren’t correct (sic)
Donna Easton has been “brainwashed”
It will probably take her some time to figure out what is fact and what is fiction
This is seemingly what Donna currently thinks are the relevant facts of the case against killer Luke Mitchell
”Main planks
* number 1 Finding of the body
* number 2 Witness sighting
* number 3 Luke’s brothers testimony
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The barely more is the seconds LM was over the wall. We see clearer now, that whilst LM went to the V with his dog, starting to go up the wall, JaJ's with SK commenced their walk past this point. Around 10 -15ft no more than "20" when LM shouted out from "behind them". That they had already covered a few steps by the time LM was plonking his feet into the woodland? That AW had stood back from the wall, seeing LM to the right of the V break and not the left. That the other two had ran back that short distance and he was on the other side. It could not be clearer that LM was at least, in excess of 30ft away from that 43ft distance! That everything he described was from an earlier point in time. The tree by type, "5ft in from the wall" The clothing, injuries and that "scrunchy!" I don't believe LM moved into that passage at all now. And if he did, for a couple of feet go left, it had absolutely zero to do with anything to do with that dog!
Donna Easton read this out loud in her new video
Alice Walker stated;
“And that’s when I was standing holding the dog and it was pulling. And that’s when Luke said there is something here, and he was standing to the right of the V when he said this
It doesn’t look like sadistic killer Luke Mitchell moved much behind the V break in the wall - other than a bit to the right
What was it Corinne Mitchell called him “an idiot” for not turning left
I’m with you on this Parky
I don’t think he moved into that passage near the wall either - it appears Steven Kelly was the first one to actually do this
Some more context;
Alan Turnbull: Did you say whether or not you were able to see him after that. Before he said something?
Alice Walker: Yes, because I came back with the dog, back from.. I actually took the dog back from the wall and I stood in front of the V. And that’s when I was standing holding the dog and it was pulling. And that’s when Luke said there is something here, and he was standing to the right of the V when he said this
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Alan Turnbull: Did you say whether or not you were able to see him after that. Before he said something?
Alice Walker: Yes, because I came back with the dog, back from.. I actually took the dog back from the wall and I stood in front of the V. And that’s when I was standing holding the dog and it was pulling. And that’s when Luke said there is something here, and he was standing to the right of the V when he said this
Why wasn’t this 👆🏽within your “3 main planks” Donna Easton?
You claimed sadistic killer Luke Mitchell found Jodi Jones body?
”Main planks
* number 1 Finding of the body
Where is the evidence for this?
Donna why did you claim in your video
“There were 3 main planks that the prosecution focused on, number 1 was that Luke found the body, number 2 was a witness sighting placing him on the path around the time of the murder and number 3 was that his brother had amended his statement to say that Luke was home when he hadn’t seen him in the house at all
You then stated;
“..by the trial it was said that Luke had just walked straight to the wall, as if he’d known that Jodi’s body lay behind it
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“There were 3 main planks that the prosecution focused on, number 1 was that Luke found the body, number 2 was a witness sighting placing him on the path around the time of the murder and number 3 was that his brother had amended his statement to say that Luke was home when he hadn’t seen him in the house at all
Wasn’t this what the defence “focused” on Donna Easton?
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Wasn’t this what the defence “focused” on Donna Easton?
Also Donna Easton you stated;
“…and that seems pretty understandable considering 17 months had passed since Jodi’s murder and the start of the trial”
Again Donna - Jodi Jones did not murder anyone!!
Why didn’t you mention anything about trauma?
Wouldn’t trauma have impacted on the memory of Jodi Jones loved ones?
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Wasn’t this what the defence “focused” on Donna Easton?
It was of guilty knowledge - That he knew where the victims body could be located and information only her killer could have known. Demonstrated by showing he had not been near the body in the search, that his dog had nothing to do with him knowing in which direction the body lay.
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It was of guilty knowledge
You know this Parky, I know this and numerous others know this yet Donna Easton stated;
“There were 3 main planks that the prosecution focused on, number 1 was that Luke found the body,
There was zero evidence that sadistic killer Luke Mitchell “found the body”
This was and is smoke and mirrors
Which Donna Easton is still promoting
*&^^&
This is the same Donna Easton who is referring to accuracy in her new video
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It's interesting that the police suggest, if I interpreted part 2 of SM's testimony correctly, that CM's Maroon Frontera was spotted parked at the NB rd entrance to the RDP @ 1715 on 30.06.03. One wonders if that time is accurate and who may have been driving the Frontera. I am a bit skeptical of the veracity of this info, but, at the same time, it's a possibility (it could, of course, have been mere coincidence since CM came home that way from work sometimes?? Maybe the car wasn't parked as such, but merely CM was driving home on NB rd??). Maybe LM had texted either his mother or brother as soon as he murdered Jodi (ie at 1710ish) and asked for help in some way (either requesting a lift back to the house or a change of clothes). Such a strange case.
LM must've murdered that girl almost immediately when they entered the woodland strip. I do wonder if he was beckoning her down that path (his hands gesticulating this, as per AB's testimony) so he could murder her (premeditated) or if he was getting angry with her because she wouldn't go to nb with him, in which case he snapped and murdered her (admittedly, he did have a short fuse & bad temper, and was used to getting his own way . . . and plus they'd been arguing/had a fall out in school earlier that day, so there could have been a lot of pent-up emotions from earlier on, too).
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LM definitely had guilty knowledge of where Jodi's body lay. It's glaringly obvious. He used Mia to try and deflect his guilt.
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It's interesting that the police suggest, if I interpreted part 2 of SM's testimony correctly, that CM's Maroon Frontera was spotted parked at the NB rd entrance to the RDP @ 1715 on 30.06.03.
One wonders if that time is accurate and who may have been driving the Frontera.
I am a bit skeptical of the veracity of this info, but, at the same time, it's a possibility (it could, of course, have been mere coincidence since CM came home that way from work sometimes??
Maybe the car wasn't parked as such, but merely CM was driving home on NB rd??).
Maybe LM had texted either his mother or brother as soon as he murdered Jodi (ie at 1710ish) and asked for help in some way (either requesting a lift back to the house or a change of clothes). Such a strange case.
This could turn out to be nothing, like the witness who claimed they saw Jodi Jones being followed by a “stocky man”
On the other hand it could be relevant and the timing could be inaccurate
It will be interesting to read the rest of the trial transcripts
There hasn’t been anything much yet on sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s other push bike, which was referred to by Gordon D ickie
Alan Turnbull did mention bikes to Corinne Mitchell - who seemed to answer him in a flash when asked about this, as though she knew his question on bikes was coming
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LM must've murdered that girl almost immediately when they entered the woodland strip.
I do wonder if he was beckoning her down that path (his hands gesticulating this, as per AB's testimony) so he could murder her (premeditated)
Did you notice Shane Mitchell’s hands in those photographs of him outside Edinburgh high court?
If you compare a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell’s hands to his brother Shane’s hands you may see the similarity
There’s something about their hands which makes them stand out
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Michelle Moore
@michellesings
I found it interesting that they redacted the FBI's testimony. I asked around about that one agent in particular and heard from reliable sources he's always spot on.
6:01 AM · Dec 6, 2023
https://twitter.com/michellesings/status/1732279144392860044
Several comments from Michelle Moore here
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=eP2t4XmT3Bk&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
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Did you notice Shane Mitchell’s hands in those photographs of him outside Edinburgh high court?
If you compare a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell’s hands to his brother Shane’s hands you may see the similarity
There’s something about their hands which makes them stand out
Yeah, good point. Has anyone on here ever actually seen SM in the flesh? The only thing I've ever seen of him is that footage of him with his hood covering his face and head, entering Edinburgh high court. Do the Mitchell brothers like the 'hooded monk' look? Did LM copy his older brother? Try and emulate his image and hobbies (ie, a huge.knife collection)? Did you notice during the Devil's Own bbc doco from 2007 footage of LM outside the Edinburgh High Court wearing his replacement german parka and flicking his hair away from his face just like F&W said he did as they drove past him on NB rd??
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LM must've murdered that girl almost immediately when they entered the woodland strip. I do wonder if he was beckoning her down that path (his hands gesticulating this, as per AB's testimony) so he could murder her (premeditated) or if he was getting angry with her because she wouldn't go to nb with him, in which case he snapped and murdered her (admittedly, he did have a short fuse & bad temper, and was used to getting his own way . . . and plus they'd been arguing/had a fall out in school earlier that day, so there could have been a lot of pent-up emotions from earlier on, too).
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell appears to have fantasised about murder. He made a comment out loud about this
There is also the fact he had previously threatened girls with knives, one in the weeks leading up to when he committed his murder
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Donna Easton has done another video
Christopher John Halkides
The narrator of the YouTube video clearly leans toward the view that the search trio did not change their statements. Setting aside for a moment the truth of that assertion, does it not follow that Mr Turnbull's summary was deliberately misleading? That is a question that should have been addressed in the linked video.
AJ Az
Christopher John Halkides I agree that Mr Turnbull's summary was misleading, yes. Can we say that the trio changed their stories, if there was no evidence of Jodi's gran changing anything (in regards to the dog)?
Christopher John Halkides
[Name removed] said words to the effect, "Maybe I did not say it correctly; maybe the police took it down wrong," with respect to whether everyone was in hysterics. Beyond that, I struggle to find exactly the right words. They failed to affirm their statements regarding Mia's actions in a robust way.
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Christopher John Halkides
The narrator of the YouTube video clearly leans toward the view that the search trio did not change their statements. Setting aside for a moment the truth of that assertion, does it not follow that Mr Turnbull's summary was deliberately misleading? That is a question that should have been addressed in the linked video.
AJ Az
Christopher John Halkides I agree that Mr Turnbull's summary was misleading, yes. Can we say that the trio changed their stories, if there was no evidence of Jodi's gran changing anything (in regards to the dog)?
Is Alan Turnbull’s full closing speech to the jury in the public domain ?
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Yeah, good point. Has anyone on here ever actually seen SM in the flesh? The only thing I've ever seen of him is that footage of him with his hood covering his face and head, entering Edinburgh high court. Do the Mitchell brothers like the 'hooded monk' look? Did LM copy his older brother? Try and emulate his image and hobbies
Not when he was younger but have seen him in recent years. Fairly normal looking and never into goth/alternative culture that LM was. Cars and bikes seems to be his thing. Who knows his direct involvement in 2003 - damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I think he only had his hood up at court to hide from press.
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Did you notice Shane Mitchell’s hands in those photographs of him outside Edinburgh high court?
If you compare a photograph of killer Luke Mitchell’s hands to his brother Shane’s hands you may see the similarity
There’s something about their hands which makes them stand out
Yeah, good point.
There’s a photo showing Shane’s Mitchell’s hands here 👇 - killer Luke Mitchell’s look equally strange
Is it because they are big or something else?
They look like the hands on a toy
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/01/killer-luke-mitchell-what-the-mainstream-media-scammer-sandra-lean-murder-in-a-small-town-did-not-tell-you-about-murderers-brother-shane-mitchell-his-bare-faced-lies-part-279/
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The only thing I've ever seen of him is that footage of him with his hood covering his face and head, entering Edinburgh high court. Do the Mitchell brothers like the 'hooded monk' look? Did LM copy his older brother? Try and emulate his image and hobbies (ie, a huge.knife collection)?
Did the police seize Shane Mitchell’s knife collection?
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Nicola Brennan Aka Nicky Brendan
@SpyrysRydh
Hi Sandra, I ordered it on Amazon. I'm onto chapter 5.
My heart breaks for Luke!
I only discovered all the confusion around the case last week when I stumbled across your interview with James English.
You are doing amazing work to bring this case to light xx
6:25 PM · Nov 23, 2019
Nicola Brennan will come to learn the “confusion” has been manufactured by scammer Sandra Lean
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There’s a photo showing Shane’s Mitchell’s hands here 👇 - killer Luke Mitchell’s look equally strange
Is it because they are big or something else?
They look like the hands on a toy
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/01/killer-luke-mitchell-what-the-mainstream-media-scammer-sandra-lean-murder-in-a-small-town-did-not-tell-you-about-murderers-brother-shane-mitchell-his-bare-faced-lies-part-279/
Killers' hands, no doubt. What about Shane's alleged animal torture? My buddy from Corstorphine says someone told him years ago (around 10 years ago) that SM was disturbed and prone to animal torture (ie, something about dog torture; sounds implausible to me, but you just never know . . . ).... who knows. It seems the Mitchells had a predisposition to mental illness, particularly from the maternal side of the family (CM, LM & RG all had very short tempers, admittedly) What about the paternal side of LM's family? Any info?
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Alan Turnbull: Did you say whether or not you were able to see him after that. Before he said something?
Alice Walker: Yes, because I came back with the dog, back from.. I actually took the dog back from the wall and I stood in front of the V. And that’s when I was standing holding the dog and it was pulling. And that’s when Luke said there is something here, and he was standing to the right of the V when he said this
How chilling
Corinne Mitchell made a comment somewhere (probably James English) about Janine [Name removed]’s seeing killer Luke Mitchell on the other side of the wall
Corinne claimed Janine J was too “short” but in reality Janine J’s obviously saw the killer through the V - where he does not appear to have moved since he first climbed over that wall
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Donna Easton
“There were 3 main planks that the prosecution focused on, number 1 was that Luke found the body, number 2 was a witness sighting placing him on the path around the time of the murder and number 3 was that his brother had amended his statement to say that Luke was home when he hadn’t seen him in the house at all
You then stated;
“..by the trial it was said that Luke had just walked straight to the wall, as if he’d known that Jodi’s body lay behind it
Killer Luke Mitchell “had just walked straight to the wall”
This is what happened
This is what Janine J, Alice Walker and Steven Kelly witnessed
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It seems the Mitchells had a predisposition to mental illness, particularly from the maternal side of the family (CM, LM & RG all had very short tempers, admittedly) What about the paternal side of LM's family? Any info?
Ruby Guetta adopted Corinne Mitchell
Was this mentioned during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12402619.why-did-luke-mitchell-kill-his-mother-holds-a-clue/
Corinne Mitchell's own background is not straightforward. She is adopted; her adoptive parents were said to be from a travelling family who had settled south of Edinburgh and started a caravan business. She reportedly has a reputation for being confrontational and anti-authoritarian;
did she carry emotional scars from her own childhood into parenthood?
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The following excerpts are in response to enquiries regarding costs of copies of trial transcripts
”In this instance, Shane Mitchell’s evidence had already been transcribed. Therefore I am able to provide a copy of these at the price of our copying fee. More information on these fees can be found here: https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/rules-and-practice/fees/high-court-fees.
Shane Mitchell’s evidence is formed of 3 separate transcripts: The evidence on 10/01/05, 12/01/05, and 13/01/05.
As transcripts are certified documents, I am unable to edit them. This includes splitting them and providing sections of them. This is relevant as the transcript for 13/01/05 includes part of the evidence of Corinne Mitchell given on the same day, and I would therefore have to include this alongside Shane Mitchell’s.
Based on the copy fees quoted in the link above I have calculated the total to be:
Transcript #1 10/01/05 – 19 pages - £11.50
Transcript #2 12/01/05 – 137 pages - £70.50
Transcript #3 13/01/05 – 251 pages - £127.50
Search & Correspondence fee - £13
Total: £222.50
If you would like to obtain copies of the transcript please let me know how you wish to pay - it can be paid by card over the phone, cheque or postal order.
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
The transcriber has made a mistake regarding Corinne Mitchell age. She told James English in 2019 she was 60, therefore she would have been 45 by the time of the trial
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Note too how Corinne Mitchell told the jury her killer son Luke Mitchell had taken Mia the dog out for a walk at around 9:40pm
*&^^&
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“It's Never Personal
Until it is...” by Jane Hamilton
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https://janehamilton.substack.com/p/its-never-personal
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Corinne Mitchell’s evidence to the jury was that her killer son Luke Mitchell took Mia the dog out for a walk at twenty to ten (9:40pm)
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd innocence fraud book on page 37;
“At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog, Mia, out for her last walk of the evening…”
*&^^&
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Alan Turnbull: Had you tried to help the police in the conduct of that inquiry
Corinne Mitchell: I have helped them with everything
Alan Turnbull: Okay. For example you would be honest with them I take it?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Have you ever tried to deliberately mislead them
Corinne Mitchell: No
Alan Turnbull: Okay, there would be no need to do that I take it?
Corinne Mitchell: No there is not
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And you’ll understand of course that the inquiry that they were conducting was into a matter that just couldn’t be more serious?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes I know
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SHANE MITCHELL'S EVIDENCE
Perhaps the actual trial transcripts evidence, as continually taken in, are proving to be factually insightful?
If only we were not assured, by Sandra Lean, for many years and citing archaic Scots Law, we could not see these?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/602880938599300/
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Perhaps the actual trial transcripts evidence, as continually taken in, are proving to be factually insightful?
If only we were not assured, by Sandra Lean, for many years and citing archaic Scots Law, we could not see these?
On page 378 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book it states “Profits from this book are being donated to” - an organisation that does NOT exist!
Was this not a red flag?
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Perhaps the actual trial transcripts evidence, as continually taken in, are proving to be factually insightful?
If only we were not assured, by Sandra Lean, for many years and citing archaic Scots Law, we could not see these?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/permalink/602880938599300/
You stated:
“How could Sandra Lean, if actually having a copy of the trial transcripts, publish such a fundamentally, erroneous summation?”
Scammer Sandra Lean did the same with all of the 7 murderers she wrote about in her first Innocence Fraud book - published in 2007
This book was re-published in 2008 by convicted criminal and bogus “dr” Stephen T Manning/checkpoint press (look him up)
In 2014 Sandra Lean said she would be withdrawing this book (No Smoke)
She was asked in 2017 why she hadn’t withdrawn or revised her book due to the bare faced lies contained within its pages.
Then in October 2018 Sandra Lean referred to her first Innocence Fraud book in her 2nd innocence fraud book
It wasn’t until October 2019 that scammer Sandra Lean said she had apparently contacted convicted criminal Steven T Manning to have him withdraw her first fraudulent book
Her reason being “one type” 🙄 (all documented)
Charlatan Sandra Lean’s Innocence Fraud book No Smoke was still being sold in December 2022
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Looks like it was Philip Mitchell who appears to have bought his killer son Luke Mitchell the Jack Pyke skunting knife and leather pouch for Christmas 2002
What did Philip Mitchell and his wife tell police about this when they were questioned?
And was Philip Mitchell involved in hiding the replacement skunting knife for his son, when the police arrested them all in April 2004?
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And was Philip Mitchell involved in hiding the replacement skunting knife for his son, when the police arrested them all in April 2004?
Or was it Ruby or Des Guetta or possibly the man Corinne Mitchell was with on Saturday the 28th June 2003?
What about this Mr Fuller character?
Why haven’t we heard of Mr Fuller before?
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Corinne Mitchell: On April 14th my head was mince
Corinne Mitchell: I hadn’t read that part
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Corinne Mitchell: I’d forgotten about a lot of things
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Has Corinne Mitchell ever been diagnosed with an anti-social personality disorder?
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in 2021 Jane Hamilton wrote, "In Mitchell's case, this was over 40 days..." From what I have read the jury took 5 hours before rendering a verdict, something not mentioned. In a 2021 article criticizing the documentary, she discussed a knife pouch without indicating that this knife was too small to account for the injuries. It is worth paying to read someone whose articles are well-researched and objective, but...
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I'm having a cup of coffee and reading through CM's trial transcripts . . . painful reading. I'm at the part where AT is cross-examining her on the skunting knife bought from a catalogue in Leeds in Dec' '03 and it's as plain as day she's lying; AT knew it and did a good job of exposing her lies, asking her uncomfortable questions & not allowing her to give vague answers (ie, he needed the skunting knife to cut 'things' whilst on these wild camping excursions that cleary never happened, nor were likely to ever happen). It just seems the same as SM's testimony but even more of a debacle.
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I'm having a cup of coffee and reading through CM's trial transcripts . . . painful reading. I'm at the part where AT is cross-examining her on the skunting knife bought from a catalogue in Leeds in Dec' '03 and it's as plain as day she's lying; AT knew it and did a good job of exposing her lies, asking her uncomfortable questions & not allowing her to give vague answers (ie, he needed the skunting knife to cut 'things' whilst on these wild camping excursions that cleary never happened, nor were likely to ever happen). It just seems the same as SM's testimony but even more of a debacle.
The details regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s visit to see Kimberley T in Kenmore on the 5th July 2003 were interesting
It appears Corinne Mitchell’s boyfriend Mr Fuller was due to drive the three of them to Kenmore but he received a text message from Corinne Mitchell, after her son had committed his murder, telling Mr Fuller the trip was “off”
Alan Turnbull: And I return to the question I’m interested in, which is whether or not you knew that Luke was on the phone for a number of hours to Kimberley that night?
Corinne Mitchell: Well I was out most of the night
Alan Turnbull: Yes. But I’m talking about after you came back, into the early hours of the morning, for example into after midnight and past 1 O’clock?
Corinne Mitchell: I can’t remember Luke bing in the phone
Alan Turnbull: Did you not discuss the fact that he was in the phone to another girlfriend with Mr Fuller?
Corinne Mitchell: I may have done, I don’t know. I cannot remember that happening
Alan Turnbull: Of course by te time of this weekend, by the time of those telephone calls, Luke had been going out with Jodi for a number of months
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Did Jodi know who Kimberley was?
Corinne Mitchell: Sorry
Alan Thomson: Did Jodi know who Kimberley was?
Corinne Mitchell: I don’t know, I don’t think she did
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I'm having a cup of coffee and reading through CM's trial transcripts . . . painful reading.
The brocolli story was abysmal too
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I'm having a cup of coffee and reading through CM's trial transcripts . . . painful reading
What also stands out is the fact the only thing Corinne Mitchell was able to remember well for the jury, was the trio’s concocted story about that meal
That concocted story of going out to sit on the wall at the end of the street waiting for Jodi Jones was see through too
*&^^&
Jodi Jones was banned from walking that path alone
Killer Luke Mitchell knew this
Corinne Mitchell knew this too
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in 2021 Jane Hamilton wrote, "In Mitchell's case, this was over 40 days..." From what I have read the jury took 5 hours before rendering a verdict, something not mentioned. In a 2021 article criticizing the documentary, she discussed a knife pouch without indicating that this knife was too small to account for the injuries. It is worth paying to read someone whose articles are well-researched and objective, but...
A lock knife, a 4 inch blade doubling in length. Skunting knife. Used for hunting, camping and survival. What do you imagine such a knife does when being used for hunting? Think of a surgeon and a scalpel used in surgery? The size, the type surgery they are used for, wide and varied. It is fallacy applying that the size of knife was not capable of such injuries.
Used to also deflect from the absolute fact he had one pre-murder, that it disappeared. There is no, what does it matter, it couldn't have caused those injuries (when it most certainly could), it matters a great deal. But yes, it is worth being able to be objective.
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The brocolli story was abysmal too
It was an absolute car crash. If the jury weren't already convinced, they would be by that dogs breakfast of a testimony. More holes in it than a tattie masher and can't see how anyone could defend that.
I think she was the last witness on the stand too if I recall.
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A lock knife, a 4 inch blade doubling in length. Skunting knife. Used for hunting, camping and survival. What do you imagine such a knife does when being used for hunting? Think of a surgeon and a scalpel used in surgery? The size, the type surgery they are used for, wide and varied. It is fallacy applying that the size of knife was not capable of such injuries.
Used to also deflect from the absolute fact he had one pre-murder, that it disappeared. There is no, what does it matter, it couldn't have caused those injuries (when it most certainly could), it matters a great deal. But yes, it is worth being able to be objective.
It will be interesting to see if Alan Turnbull referred to any of Philip Mitchell and his wife’s (killer Luke Mitchell’s step-mother) witness statements durung the trial on the knife situation
Corinne Mitchell was clearly shifting the blame onto Philip Mitchell regarding the missing Jack Pyke skunting knife, which appears to have been a 2002 Christmas present
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It was an absolute car crash. If the jury weren't already convinced, they would be by that dogs breakfast of a testimony. More holes in it than a tattie masher and can't see how anyone could defend that.
I think she was the last witness on the stand too if I recall.
No there were 7 more witnesses after Corinne Mitchell - that was another of Corinne’s bare faced lies
Natalie Wright, Raymond McCloy, James Aitken, DCI Ronald Miller, Dr Kranti Hiremath, Marion O’Sullivan and Derek Hamilton all gave evidence after Corinne Mitchell
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
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It was an absolute car crash. If the jury weren't already convinced, they would be by that dogs breakfast of a testimony. More holes in it than a tattie masher and can't see how anyone could defend that.
I think she was the last witness on the stand too if I recall.
Alan Turnbull: You’re telling me about what you said to Luke and he said to you, and you’re telling me about being able to remember it happening on that night?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes I do
Alan Turnbull: You’re not for example, putting this together by things that have been discussed in the weeks and months afterwards
Corinne Mitchell: No
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But yes, it is worth being able to be objective.
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Innocence fraudster Christopher John Halkides and being ”objective”
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I think she was the last witness on the stand too if I recall.
No there were 7 more witnesses after Corinne Mitchell - that was another of Corinne’s bare faced lies
Natalie Wright, Raymond McCloy, James Aitken, DCI Ronald Miller, Dr Kranti Hiremath, Marion O’Sullivan and Derek Hamilton all gave evidence after Corinne Mitchell
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Another bare faced lie stated by scammer Sandra Lean too - in her 2nd innocence fraud book page 322
“In part to maintain the theatrics of the longest trial of a single accused in Scottish history, Corinne was the last witness to be called.But there were other strategic reasons for leaving her to the very end
“..Secondly, Corinne would be the last witness the jury (and the media ) heard before the closing speeches.
“Part way through Corinne’s evidence at trial, Donald Findlay raised a robust objection. The Prosecution had announced its intention to call some last minute witnesses. .
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*UPDATED*
Killer Luke Mitchell: Who Will Be Helping To Support People Like Freddie Gren When They Realise They Have Been Groomed, Conned & Exploited By A Dangerous Murderer & His Toxic Enablers? (Part 284)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/07/killer-luke-mitchell-who-will-be-helping-to-support-people-like-freddie-gren-when-they-realise-they-have-been-groomed-conned-exploited-by-a-dangerous-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-2/
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It is fallacy applying that the size of knife was not capable of such injuries.
That the knife was too small was part of Professor Busuttil's testimony. Are you claiming that he was in error?
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That the knife was too small was part of Professor Busuttil's testimony. Are you claiming that he was in error?
Anthony Busuttil appears to have been yet another innocence fraud grifter
Did you see him in that frontline Scotland TV show?
How many murderers have you heard of who have worn “goggles” when carrying out their murderous crimes
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It will be interesting to see what the other forensic experts said about killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene and compare this with what people like Anthony Busuttil claimed
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Corinne Mitchell’s evidence to the jury was that her killer son Luke Mitchell took Mia the dog out for a walk at twenty to ten (9:40pm)
Scammer Sandra Lean stated in her 2nd innocence fraud book on page 37;
“At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog, Mia, out for her last walk of the evening…”
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Scammer Sandra Lean added almost an hour - why?
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Corinne Mitchell’s Adoptive Brother Des Guetta & The Baseball Bat Incident (Part 285)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/08/killer-luke-mitchell-corinne-mitchells-adoptive-brother-des-guetta-the-baseball-bat-incident-part-285/
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That the knife was too small was part of Professor Busuttil's testimony. Are you claiming that he was in error?
Now now, he was pointing out that one particular injury 'pointed towards it being too short without possibly causing damage to the killers hand.' A stout knife, which it certainly was, which is what a Jack Pyke Skunting is.
So, we do not have someone say, this could absolutely not have been the weapon used, we have reference to one particular injury with a possibility of damage, and if held a certain way could have. But as with everything else, if it does happen, it would be good to see the full testimony of the prof, along with other forensics.
The same prof who made it clear that the hair fastener was not visible prior to carrying out the post mortem. The one that LM saw from over 30ft away - Behave.
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That the knife was too small was part of Professor Busuttil's testimony. Are you claiming that he was in error?
Is that the only part of CM's testimony that concerns you?
The false meal alibi, the pre-murder parka sightings, the tattoo/fake ID incident, the missing/hidden knife, the numerous "I can't remember"s, would all seem to point to a very unreliable witness for LM's only alibi.
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Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
That certainly is an interesting response... scolding someone for saying someone is lying while using lies to try bully her point across. Her abusive broken record is getting boring now. Never mind Ronnie, the truth and manners are a valuable thing that many can't afford.
9:27 PM · Dec 7, 2023
https://twitter.com/SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM/status/1732874424292888952
While more of the Mitchell’s and scammer Sandra Lean’s lies are being exposed, Sharon Indy Sunshine is over on YouTube uploading yet more copies of that TV show 🙄
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Perhaps the actual trial transcripts evidence, as continually taken in, are proving to be factually insightful?
If only we were not assured, by Sandra Lean, for many years and citing archaic Scots Law, we could not see these?
On page 378 of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd innocence fraud book it states “Profits from this book are being donated to” - an organisation that does NOT exist!
Was this not a red flag?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To “Long Road To Justice” An Organisation That Does NOT Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
LongRoadtoJustice
@LongRdtoJustice
Launching today, my new book #InnocentsBetrayed – the truth about the conviction of Luke Mitchell for the murder of Jodi Jones. Profits from the book to help set up a new organisation #LongRoadtoJustice to help the fight against injustice in this country.
http://longroadtojustice.com
12:05 PM · Oct 26, 2018
https://twitter.com/LongRdtoJustice/status/1055777387676397568
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
@jamesenglish0
podcast "did Luke Mitchell kill Jodi Jones?" just passed 50,000 views! Crowdfunder to help set up new organisation "Long Road to Justice" will be launched in the next few weeks - watch this space! Thanks to everyone for comments and messages.
3:20 PM · Jun 9, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1137726260338204672
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
We're hoping so, Julie-Anne. A new organisation "Long Road to Justice" is being launched on June 30th to try to push for a full case review for this case (and others).
7:26 AM · Jun 19, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1141230752035680256
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Due to technical difficulties, the launch of Long Road to Justice is being postponed to Monday 8th July.
6:57 PM · Jun 29, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1145028486920318977
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Luke Mitchell - fourteen, fitted up and forgotten. It's time for the truth. Profits to Long Road to Justice - a new organisation being set up to help wrongly accused and convicted. https://amazon.co.uk/Innocents-Betrayed-story-justice-abandoned/dp/199961710X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sandra+lean&qid=1554189636&s=gateway&sr=8-1…
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8:29 AM · Apr 2, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1112980356695756800
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
While waiting to get Long Road to Justice sorted out, here are some clips from the 2007 Frontline Scotland documentary about the Luke Mitchell Case.
youtube.com
Luke Mitchell Case, Frontline Scotland Clips
These are excerpts from the 2007 Frontline Scotland Documentary about the case - demonstrating that all of this has been known for over 12 years. (Copyright ...
11:19 AM · Jul 14, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1150349113688547328
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Corinne Mitchell knew of her killer son Luke Mitchell’s other knife assaults on young girls
Were Philip Mitchell’s statements referred to during day 2 of Corinne Mitchell’s trial testimony or maybe during the police officers testimony who gave evidence in relation to what killer Luke Mitchell had told them during his interviews
What did Philip Mitchell tell police when his house was raided?
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To “Long Road To Justice” An Organisation That Does NOT Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
LongRoadtoJustice
@LongRdtoJustice
Launching today, my new book #InnocentsBetrayed – the truth about the conviction of Luke Mitchell for the murder of Jodi Jones. Profits from the book to help set up a new organisation #LongRoadtoJustice to help the fight against injustice in this country.
http://longroadtojustice.com
12:05 PM · Oct 26, 2018
https://twitter.com/LongRdtoJustice/status/1055777387676397568
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
@jamesenglish0
podcast "did Luke Mitchell kill Jodi Jones?" just passed 50,000 views! Crowdfunder to help set up new organisation "Long Road to Justice" will be launched in the next few weeks - watch this space! Thanks to everyone for comments and messages.
3:20 PM · Jun 9, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1137726260338204672
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
We're hoping so, Julie-Anne. A new organisation "Long Road to Justice" is being launched on June 30th to try to push for a full case review for this case (and others).
7:26 AM · Jun 19, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1141230752035680256
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Due to technical difficulties, the launch of Long Road to Justice is being postponed to Monday 8th July.
6:57 PM · Jun 29, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1145028486920318977
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Luke Mitchell - fourteen, fitted up and forgotten. It's time for the truth. Profits to Long Road to Justice - a new organisation being set up to help wrongly accused and convicted. https://amazon.co.uk/Innocents-Betrayed-story-justice-abandoned/dp/199961710X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sandra+lean&qid=1554189636&s=gateway&sr=8-1…
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8:29 AM · Apr 2, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1112980356695756800
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
While waiting to get Long Road to Justice sorted out, here are some clips from the 2007 Frontline Scotland documentary about the Luke Mitchell Case.
youtube.com
Luke Mitchell Case, Frontline Scotland Clips
These are excerpts from the 2007 Frontline Scotland Documentary about the case - demonstrating that all of this has been known for over 12 years. (Copyright ...
11:19 AM · Jul 14, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1150349113688547328
Lisa C Reynolds Peden was “following” you on Twitter around this time Sandra Lean
Then by June 2021 Lisa C Reynolds Peden is posting this 👇on behalf of killer Luke Mitchell and his enabling mother Corinne Mitchell
THIS STATEMENT IS FROM LUKE AND CORINNE:
‘I have spoken to Luke and Corinne both their wishes are that everyone who is able to, attends the protest on the 17th of July in Edinburgh! They are both one hundred percent behind this group and the protest that's been organised! Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it very clear that he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him anymore. He is a man now and will not stay in the background and longer. He has dealt with the person/people who have been telling people not to attend this protest because it wasn't organised by the 'official' group. This is not Luke's wishes and the protest is 100% legal. Luke has made it clear that the Free and retry Luke Mitchell group has his full backing and support. They I will now be posting all statements from Luke via myself.
Also they wish that all the group's come together and that any previous issues are put to bed! Luke has said that he doesn't want animosity between the groups, everyone on these groups are supposed to be here for one reason only and should all be fighting for the same cause! Luke is in charge of his life from now NO ONE ELSE!! He has taken a back seat for far too long and isn't doing it anymore.
*If you are attending any protests please wear a mask and follow all covid guide lines that are in place on the date of the protest.*
Luke and Corinne thank everyone on this group! The support is absolutely amazing! From the bonus ball tickets to raising awareness and being involved and organising two protests! It's all greatly appreciated! All money this group has raised goes directly into a bank account for Corinne.
Luke does not want photos of Jodi distributed for his fight for justice, this is insensitive to Jodis family and friends, and creates bad press for him. It is not and has never been Luke's wishes for us to find the real killer. Our job is to get Luke free and home to his mum. For anyone else to be investigated and/or charged Luke must be acquitted first.
Luke has also advised Sandra that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately. He has been too concerned about upsetting other people, and following other wishes,but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence. He will not stand for this anymore.
Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support which are within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.
Also Luke has made it very clear that the 'official' group does not speak for him nor has it ever. If you have any questions or would like to run anything by Luke please message myself as I am in daily contact with Corinne and every two days with Luke.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND HELPING ME FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM!! BIG THINGS ARE COMING!!
Luke and Corinne have gave me permission to share with this group some pictures from his childhood. These pictures are not in the public domain. So keep your eyes peeled, I will post one later today!
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#lukemitchellisinnocent #freelukemitchell
George Fergie
‘Glad this is out now, a felt so persecuted for myself and the whole team that run this group, let’s get everyone on the same page, no more fighting against each other guys let’s be one like Luke and corrine want
George Fergie
‘Guys we will not tolerate abuse regarding Luke’s statement , if it persists it’ll be straight blocks , sorry but it’s time to move on , there’s an open invitation to anyone who wants to go to the Geo Protest and that includes all other groups and pages, it’s Luke and corrines will to do it all together so division will no longer be tolerated
What happened to that video Matt Elliott was planning to do Sandra Lean?
Was there a “control” issue?
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Why did Corinne Mitchell keep saying “they” when referring to her killer son getting a telephone call and text message from Judith Jones?
Corinne Mitchell: They could have got a telephone call I’m not sure (p.2288)
Was Shane Mitchell with his killer brother?
Who was “they”?
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Now now, he was pointing out that one particular injury 'pointed towards it being too short without possibly causing damage to the killers hand.' A stout knife, which it certainly was, which is what a Jack Pyke Skunting is.
So, we do not have someone say, this could absolutely not have been the weapon used, we have reference to one particular injury with a possibility of damage, and if held a certain way could have. But as with everything else, if it does happen, it would be good to see the full testimony of the prof, along with other forensics.
The same prof who made it clear that the hair fastener was not visible prior to carrying out the post mortem. The one that LM saw from over 30ft away - Behave.
What way was Jodi lying when found? Was she moved? How was she lying when finally seen by the professor? In what context did Luke claim that there had seen a scrunchie in Jodi’s hair? After which interview/interviews? What had he already been told by the police?
So many questions.
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Corinne Mitchell transcript 13/01/2005 (Day one of two)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html
Alan Turnbull: You I think naturally decided that you should go to the police station as well?
Corinne Mitchell: No he asked me to come along - Page 2295
This was a bizarre response and the jury, Alan Turnbull, Donald Findlay and the judge and anyone else who heard Corinne Mitchell say this would have no doubt thought so too
Alan Turnbull: Did you ask the policeman if Luke had been arrested?
Corinne Mitchell: I can’t remember at that stage. At that time I realised Jodi was dead and my head had just gone, so I don’t know what was said - page 2298
Corinne Mitchell knew her son had murdered Jodi Jones - her “head had just gone” because her intuition knew what he had done
Corinne Mitchell: I didn’t have any need to ask that - page 2299
She did and she knew she did
Corinne Mitchell: Luke being arrested hadn’t entered into my head at all - page 2300
It did, it had and she knew it
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Alan Turnbull: You I think naturally decided that you should go to the police station as well?
Corinne Mitchell: No he asked me to come along - Page 2295
This was a bizarre response and the jury, Alan Turnbull, Donald Findlay and the judge and anyone else who heard Corinne Mitchell say this would have no doubt thought so too
Alan Turnbull: Sid you ask the policeman if Luke had been arrested?
Corinne Mitchell: I can’t remember at that stage. At that time I realised Jodi was dead and my head had just gone, so I don’t know what was said - page 2298
Corinne Mitchell knew her son had murdered Jodi Jones - her “head had just gone” because her intuition knew what he had done
Corinne Mitchell: I didn’t have any need to ask that - page 2299
She did and she knew she did
Corinne Mitchell: Luke being arrested hadn’t entered into my head at all - page 2300
It did, it had and she knew it
100%. That's what I took away from this part.
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Corinne Mitchell was insistent her killer son had taken Mia the dog out for a walk at 9:40pm, which would have not been long after he got in after having left David High
Why would Corinne Mitchell have had her killer son wait to take Mia the dog out to do her “business” at around 10:30pm?
There is no mention of Shane Mitchell coming in not long after this ie; at 9:50-9:55pm?
Alan Turnbull questioned Corinne Mitchell some more on this with regards timings
She replied at some point saying it was “late”
What we haven’t seen/heard yet is Corinne Mitchell also saying she had tried to telephone her killer son for 90 minutes later on that night because he was “late” and “in trouble”
Why was there no mention of Shane Mitchell getting home at around 9:50pm-9:55pm?
Was the 9:57pm telephone call Shane Mitchell made on the landline to his girlfriend?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell send her 14/15 year old killer son out to take Mia the dog for a walk and not Shane Mitchell?
And why didn’t Corinne and/or Shane Mitchell accompany killer Luke Mitchell to pretend to search for Jodi Jones - at approx 10:45pm?
What kind of parent sends their 14-15 year old son out alone, at approx 10:45pm, to search for their “missing” other girlfriend - who suffers with asthma?
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*UPDATED*
Killer Luke Mitchell: Who Will Be Helping To Support People Like Freddie Gren When They Realise They Have Been Groomed, Conned & Exploited By A Dangerous Murderer & His Toxic Enablers? (Part 284)
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/07/killer-luke-mitchell-who-will-be-helping-to-support-people-like-freddie-gren-when-they-realise-they-have-been-groomed-conned-exploited-by-a-dangerous-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-2/ (http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/07/killer-luke-mitchell-who-will-be-helping-to-support-people-like-freddie-gren-when-they-realise-they-have-been-groomed-conned-exploited-by-a-dangerous-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-2/)
Scammer Sandra Lean apparently didn’t attend killer Luke Mitchell trial because of any backlash she might have received if she had been recognised
Apparently Sandra Lean was warned by her sister and brother-in-law not to attend the trial
Why did Corinne Mitchell choose to use and exploit teenager Freddie Gren and parade this teenager in front of the cameras?
Sandra Lean stated;
“…the crowd hurling abuse at them from all sides.
She refused the offer of being smuggled out of a side door with her face covered
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell insist that Freddie Gren be “smuggled out of a side door with her face covered” giving Freddie’s age at the time?
And what impact did “the crowd hurling abuse” at innocent Freddie Gren have on her?
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Why did Corinne Mitchell choose to use and exploit teenager Freddie Gren and parade this teenager in front of the cameras?
Sandra Lean stated;
“…the crowd hurling abuse at them from all sides.
She refused the offer of being smuggled out of a side door with her face covered
Why didn’t Corinne Mitchell insist that Freddie Gren be “smuggled out of a side door with her face covered” giving Freddie’s age at the time?
And what impact did “the crowd hurling abuse” at innocent Freddie Gren have on her?
Shane Mitchell covered himself up and hid his face from the cameras
Was this Shane or Corinne Mitchell’s idea?
Again - why didn’t Corinne Mitchell protect Freddie Gren?
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*UPDATED*
Killer Luke Mitchell: Who Will Be Helping To Support People Like Freddie Gren When They Realise They Have Been Groomed, Conned & Exploited By A Dangerous Murderer & His Toxic Enablers? (Part 284)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/07/killer-luke-mitchell-who-will-be-helping-to-support-people-like-freddie-gren-when-they-realise-they-have-been-groomed-conned-exploited-by-a-dangerous-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-2/
On Saturday the 28th June 2003 Corinne Mitchell was bragging to Mr Fuller that her 14, almost 15 year old son, was on the phone at silly O’clock in the morning to his “other girlfriend”
This is NOT normal behaviour!
It was totally disrespectful towards both Jodi Jones and Kimberly Thomson
And it should have set off alarm bells with Mr Fuller
What exactly did Mr Fuller’s statement say?
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You are see through Sandra Lean, as are your projections
Sandra Lean is no professional!
And my identity on twitter is not a secret
‘I know the identity of "HiddenInjustice" - she's trolled me for years and has often lifted screenshots from my pages. I wrote her a little poem, but she's never screenshotted that:
I have a little troll
I’ve had her now for years
She skulks around the net
Peddling lies and hate and fear
It’s really just as well
I’m not the jealous kind
She has so many targets
I can hardly call her “mine.”
Turns lies to truth and truth to lies
She really has no shame
She’s the eternal victim, though
She never is to blame
So I’ll just stick to the advice
Given to me so long ago
Hold your head up, tell your truth
And NEVER FEED THE TROLLS.[/color]
Sandra Lean
I'd never have believed that simply telling the truth could be twisted so far out of recognition DW. How they have the time and energy is beyond me!
DW: I h had people that I have been on good terms with suddenly start accusing me of things that I hadn't said or done, some people had been telling stories about me by getting a fact that was true and making up the rest so it sounded believable (sic)
Sandra Lean
‘Oh, yes, that's so impossible to deal with - had it so many times. One tiny grain of truth submerged in a deluge of half truths and outright lies - there's no way to counter that - I don't even bother trying. The ones who pretend to be "friends" are the lowest of all.
These ⬆️ are Sandra Lean’s projections
“One tiny grain of truth submerged in a deluge of half truths and outright lies - there's no way to counter that” ~ scammer Sandra Lean 9th February 2021
There is Sandra Lean
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Scammer Sandra Lean
“….whoever the attacker is, was very, very fortunate not to be disturbed - by all accounts, that area was like Piccadily circus that night!
What exactly was Leonard Kelly’s evidence Sandra Lean?
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Corinne Mitchell - 8th May 2010
Lukes reaction:
Janines first statement said everyone was in hysterics (or words to that effect) The 999 operator confirms that when she says " The laddie is in a bit of a state.
By the time Janine gets to court she has changed her statement an told the court Luke showed no emotion.
Mias reaction (my dog):
When Luke was going up the path he was making his way to Jodis house as this was the arrangement. Mia could well have reacted on the way up but Luke would have ignored it and just told her to "come on"
When going back down the path with the family Luke told Mia "seek Jodi" as the word "seek" was used in her training. (We were being tought dog tracking by a friend of mine whose job it was , in the army, to train tracker dogs)
When she approached the 'V' in the wall she jumped up and put her front paws up against the wall and started "air sniffing".
Again the families first statements confirm this and again, by the time they are in coiurt, they deny it.
Mia didn't go over the wall. It was too high for her. Luke and Stephen helped the granny get over the wall. Janine didn't go over. She held Mia.
The family, in court said Luke turned left when he went over the wall and the prosecution said it was because he knew where the body was.
The family could not see anything at all......unless they could see through stone walls.....the wall is too high to see over.
The simple explanation for Luke going left instead of right.....he was going to where Mia was sniffing and wouldn't come away. Basic common sense really.
Corinne Mitchell - 9th May 2010
“sorry....correction to last post
Mia didn't sniff at the 'V'...it was further down. It was the 'V' luke went to as it was the only way to get over the wall as the rest was to high.
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March 2005
"Luke got it from John,,,Jodi got it from Luke..that's the way it worked. Luke had smoked it b4 he met Jodi I know that..John had smoked it for a while..remember he was only 16 also so not that long. John only smoked cannabis i know that much. John had short..wavy hair..Luke had long shaggy hair..John didn't cut his hair off that night..it was a couple of days later.
Johns my cousin. I know everything..that's how I know I'm right about all the facts.
Janine Steven and Alice have never lied about what happened that night, they may not have mentioned it to start with by accusing and pointing the finger..they obviously need time to deal with everything then think. but I remember from day one that they said Luke went straight to the gap in the wall..no doubt about it.
Luke walked up the path with his dog..its funny that the dog didn't react or smell anything then eh.but just so happens it did on the way down. Luke's just saying that about the dog cause it sounds better for him!
Oh come one eh..according to Luke his dog jumped in the air and sniffed and and practically dragged Luke to the wall then started scratching it...if the dog done that on the way down then he would have done it on the way up..and what???..Luke just ignored it..i don't think so!
Why would he leave that house at that precise time to go see her..would he just let her away with saying I don't know when ill be leaving. she left right away and he knew she was leaving right away".
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Corinne Mitchell - 8th May 2010
my head is total mince to~day!
I can't say what it is .....as it is "work in progress" but we thought we had a real breakthrough yesterday but due to passing of time it proved less easy than we first hoped.
A huge dissapointment! but.......we keep going!
Corinne’s head was “mince” again 🙄
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 9th May 2010
“I'm sorry I haven't had much time to post for a few days now - been working flat out.
Curious, I will post extracts from the court transcripts covering the timings, the change in statements, etc as soon as I have time - possibly later this evening.
Why didn’t you publish the full trial transcripts Sandra 🙄
Scammer Sandra Lean - 10th May 2010
“John, a couple of little points.
4.39 - the Rod Stewart track and Jodi getting ready to leave. The four minutes left after the playing of the Rod Stewart track would also have to cover the time taken to walk from the house to where the "sighting" took place, leaving just 2 minutes to "go upstairs and get changed."
5.32 and 5.40 - two letter 's' in the word phones.
10.49 "This part of the story was later changed by Judy" - we don't actually know who changed the story - the "meeting the search party" story may, in fact, have been introduced by the press in the earliest days.
Just want to be sure this is all as accurate as possible.
Sandra Lean - 10th May 2010
“John, I've PM'd you on this.
Regarding your earlier post, there wasn't any friction between Luke and the Easthouses crowd - John [Name removed] said in court that he had met Luke and given him cannabis just a couple of days before the murder - he actually said in court "He still owes me for it."
Luke had been to Judy's house and to Alice Walker's house, so there wasn't any question of him being "not welcome."
Luke has always maintained that the arrangement that night was for Jodi to come to Newbattle - it's just one of those loose teenage things where they make arrangements on the spot - they don't have set patterns of meeting at certain places on certain days.
As for the maps and locating people, in court, Steven Kelly was reported as being confused and unable to say where the various people were on the path. His testimony certainly makes painful reading - favourite answers "I don't know" and "I can't remember."
Steven Kelly appeared nervous and as though he was still suffering from trauma, after seeing for the second time what sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had done
Unlike, Shane Mitchell - who didn’t appear to care less
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Danielle Barclay
@danitoe
This isn't the Sandra Lean show it's about the injustice of two children. Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones. Remember what, who and why your fighting for and who your against x
12:32 AM · Dec 9, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
I agree that it shouldn't be a show focusing on one person - but that is exactly what this campaign has become. Anyone who questions anything is smeared - that's more akin to cult behaviour than a campaign with a focus on justice - in my opinion.
11:21 AM · Dec 9, 2023
Donna the “campaign” has always been “the Sandra Lean show”
Once you recognise this fact the rest will fall into place
Sandra Lean has smeared people for years - you weren’t the first she did this to and you know this
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Hey, I get you, but it seems that no one is allowed to question any damage that campaign leaders may be doing - it's like that can not be questioned. Anyone who strays from the narrative of campaign leaders is targeted and abused - I think that should be called out.
11:15 AM · Dec 9, 2023
So call it out Donna and stop referring to scammer Sandra Lean as the title of her 2nd innocence fraud book - use her name
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Scammer Corinne Mitchell - 12th May 2010
thanks for that post reg126.
That is the problem with Lukes case. Too many people believe the utter nonsese in the tabloids. If more people would just look at the evidence, the fact that none of Lukes DNA was at the scene, there was blood and semen.etc...belonging to others it doesn't take rocket science to work it out!!!
Scammer Corinne Mitchell - 12th May 2010
the other suspect.....( though we seem to collected quite a few....unlike the police!!!)
He was a student staying at Newbattle College. The college had closed for the summer and a few, who had nowhere to stay, stayed on.
He was on a methadone programme.
He appeared at a fellow students flat the day after the murder with fresh scratches on his face and was very aggitated. When the other student asked how he got the scratches he gave 3 different accounts.
He had the same build and height as Luke and the same colour and style of hair
He owned a Parka jacket
He was heavily into Manson
There was graffic vile images on his computer
The other student was very concerned and told him he should go to the police. He even dropped him off at the station.
When they hadn't heard anything the other student gave ...or rather tried to give this information to Lukes lawyers....they weren't interested.
It was only when Frontline put out this information that Lukes lawyers tried to investigate more......the judges even gave them more time......then....they dropped it....we were shocked.
sorry, that should read Newbattle Abbey College!!!
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Gaslighter and Scammer Corinne Mitchell - 12th May 2010
“Due to personal circumstances Sandra Lean apologises for not posting certain things she was asked for. She has asked me to let you know she will when she is able to do so.
“Con
That is outragious! People post under cover of different names for different reasons
It is not for any of us to expose real names. Depending what is said it can and has put people in danger. Remember we are locals. There was an incident yesterday that I can't go into but it was very scaryand in volved threats to both... MODERATED OUT... and myself..
Gaslighter and scammer Sandra Lean - 12th May 2010
“Just for accuracy, it was not me who "outed" myself, ...MODERATED OUT.
Of course I support Luke Mitchell - I have said so publicly for a very long time - I'm really not sure what is meant by Big Wullie's comment. Posting under an assumed name allowed me to put information into the public domain without it appearing to come from me, something which was done for safety.
I am both unable to post anything more than the shortest post due to a very poor internet connection and being forced out of my home (and therefore away from my my documents) as a result of the matter Corinne mentioned.
The documents themselves have had to be moved to a place of safety as well.
Sorry - I will be posting properly again when I am able to do so.
This 👆🏽 is when gaslighters and scammers Sandra Lean and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton (Aka reg126) conspired and pretended Joe Jones had “threatened” Sandra Lean 🙄
Baby killer Billy Middleton was apparently hiding behind Sandra Lean’s door when Joe Jones knocked to ask scammer Sandra Lean to remove her nonsense from the World Wide Web
Sandra Lean said she had invited Joe Jones in to look at the forensic reports with her 🙄
Baby murderer, Gaslighter & Scammer Billy Middleton aka reg126 aka wronglyaccused
“It has been brought to my attention that content from wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk has been posted here. All content from wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk is subject to copyright as clearly stated at the foot of each page with no exception, including forum pages and caseblogs. All rights reserved.
Kindly remove any posts breaching copyright.
For clarity, the internet is not a free for all, if a site contains a copyright notice, particularly if it also contains "all rights reserved", NO content can be reproduced without the permission of the copyright holder.
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Armed bank robber, gaslighter and scammer Wullie Beck aka William Beck
“Mr Middleton & Ms Lean
I think you will find the material was taken from what I see as a public forum.
If your comment is addressed to me then please use my name.
I think you will also find that since I put your link to where the material came from I have not breached any copyright.
Who knows Mr Middleton perhaps the comment might have been e-mailed to me.
Do feel free to seek any legal advice you might think appropriate and take any action you feel will resolve this matter for you.
Baby killer, gaslighter and scammer Billy Middleton (then boyfriend of scammer Sandra Lean) - 13th May 2010
“For the record, Sandra had nothing whatsoever to do with my post, she is perfectly capable of posting on her own behalf as and when she chooses to. Or at least that was the position until her safety was compromised and is now left with limited access to the internet as a result.
Acknowledging where plagiarised material has come from (irrespective of how the material is obtained) is in no way the same as having permission to reproduce it.
Further, since a formal request has been issued to remove the material by the copyright holder, the onus is on you to act accordingly (since clearly having included your post in my message it was directed to you).
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Scammers and gaslighters Sandra Lean and baby killer Billy Middleton were in London in March 2010 then travelled back to Dalkeith.
They were travelling in a old former red post office van.
6 months after the above nonsense baby killer Billy Middleton apparently threatened Sandra Lean, after which her youngest adult daughter kicked him out the house
Did scammer Sandra Lean or her daughter report this incident to the police and if not why not ?
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Baby killer, scammer & gaslighter Billy Middleton aka reg126 - 20th May 2010
“Andrina Bryson reported her sighting of "Jodi" on the 1st July .
Which was the same day Leonard Kelly also contacted the police
Nugnug aka baby killer, gaslighter, scammer and spammer Billy Middleton aka reg126 aka wronglyaccused - 20th May 2010
“andrina bryson could not state positively that she had seen Luke or jodi she she did not see jodis face and could not describe what jodi was wearing she gave the description of someone who looked like luke Mitchell but she could not point to luke Mitchell in court.
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Scammer Corinne Mitchell - 22rd June 2010
big wullie
if you are going to post anything about my sons case I suggestyou take the time to find out "who is who"
You said "Condom man has a Croncrete alibi with the victims sister at the time of the murder.
WRONG! Stephen Kelly has said he has an alibi with the victims sister.
You said "Condom man (Mr X)
WRONG! Condom man is James Falconer and Mr X is Stephen Kelly.
Get it right ...or get off. I can honestly say why I stopped posting here.You get things totally wrong and even get aggressive when someone asks how your case is coming along
Sheeeesh!
Scammers Sandra Lean, Corinne Mitchell and baby killer Billy Middleton were “campaigning” in 2010 falsely claiming innocent Steven Kelly was seen following Jodi Jones 🙄
Charlatan Sandra Lean Has Zero Credibility, Her Continuous Lies & Gaslighting, Including About Innocent Steven Kelly, Cara Sulieman’s 2010 Article For Deadline News & The Defunct WAP Website, Un-Convicted Baby Killer Billy Middleton & Con Artist Corinne Mitchell (Part 7)
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Baby killer, scammer & gaslighter Billy Middleton aka reg126 - 20th May 2010
“Andrina Bryson reported her sighting of "Jodi" on the 1st July .
Which was the same day Leonard Kelly also contacted the police
Nugnug aka baby killer, gaslighter, scammer and spammer Billy Middleton aka reg126 aka wronglyaccused - 20th May 2010
“andrina bryson could not state positively that she had seen Luke or jodi she she did not see jodis face and could not describe what jodi was wearing she gave the description of someone who looked like luke Mitchell but she could not point to luke Mitchell in court.
Or was/is Nugnug fraudster Scott C Forbes?
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Un-convicted baby Killer Billy Middleton Aka reg126 - 25th June 2010
“The claim of Luke seeing 2 other girls at the same time as Jodi does not seem to agree with the evidence.
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Corinne Mitchell - 25th June 2010
“big wullie
what tabloid trash did you get Mr Franklands statement from??? Sorry to disappoint...we have transcripts.
Mr Frankland said he smelled smoke. No~one at any time said they saw my burner alight. If you want to feel really foolish why don't you check Lukes website and and see a photo of my log burner.
Anyone who has seen it bursts out laughing at the thought of police accusing me of even attempting to burn a parka.
A quote from Mr Maraska.....I saw one cadet pass something to Luke"
This evidence doesn't even ascertain whose knife it was !! And it obviously follows that the cadet who passed the knife to Luke had also the knife "on him" before passing it to Luke who was "caught" with it "on him" (quoted from Edinburgh Evening News November 24th 2003
Nicholas Frankland ~ “He told the court on Monday: "I could see it and smell it. It wasn't a food smell."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4072447.stm
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Scammer Corinne Mitchell - 26th June 2010
Alison
I can assure you that Luke did NOT own a parka prior to Jodis murder.As Luke was only 14....with no income....I bought his clothes and every so often his father would buy him some and Luke always showed me. His father would also inform me what items he had bought.
Luke was photographed on a daily basis after we bought the parka. He wore it on a daily basis, rain, hail or shine. No~one could could tell when......just constantly. I know, for a fact, police led and misled certain witnesses. They have come forward and told us. It was police who "suggested" to certain witnesses it was before the murder.
Please don't insult me by declaring you know many "FACTS and MYTHS" about my sons case. Believe me, I've been there from day one, you have not.
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Seems to me that LM's original parka would've been easily destroyed in that small burner. The only things metallic on the jacket were the edges of the zip line and the end of the hood draw cord. These little metallic pieces (only 4 tiny metallic fragments) could've been snipped off before the jacket was burned in the wood burner.
What about LM's big army boots? Were they destroyed in the burner too? Or elsewhere? I suspect the latter.
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This was scammer & liar Corinne Mitchell on 27th June 2010
“Wullie, you said
"please keep things in perspective here and keep matters clear".......
You are forgetting....we have the forensic results....you don't.......it is all in black and white.
We have access to information....that you do not.
Like curious, I am amazed how many of you can so easily come up with some really stupid reason that there is an "innocent" explanation for Kellys semen AND blood on Jodis clothing.
Washing machine transfer is unlikely. Bra was white, t~shirt was black, the sensible ones amongst us would'nt mix black and white in a washing machine
the t~shirt lived at the grans....the bra lived at the mums...different washine machines then.
We also have a haemotologist. blood washed in a washing machine would loose vital components to establish DNA. Yet forensic reports state clearly the blood is indeed Mr. Kellys.
Be wary of who you defend.....and who you condemn......remember....we have the paperwork!
We are not pointing any fingers, we are only proving the poor job the police did when "eliminating" any other suspects........
When you have two males.....one whose semen and blood were found on a murder victims clothing.....the other males DNA was nowhere to be found......why do you "eliminate" the one whose DNA WAS found.....arrest the one whose DNA was NOT found............
The scammers had read some papers which the lawyers had handed to them and they didn’t know how to interpret the forensic reports
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So they pretended Jodi Jones’ blood was innocent Steven Kelly’s
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Did Corinne Mitchell Want To Spend A Week Alone With Mr Fuller Whilst She Sent Her Murdering Son To Kenmore? (Part 290)
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Did the police descend on Mr Fuller in a similar way to what they did the Mitchell’s, or did Mr Fuller make contact with the police first?
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And when did Corinne Mitchell first tell the police about Mr Fuller and what did killer Luke Mitchell tell police about Mr Fuller?
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And why did scammer Sandra Lean choose to hide Mr Fuller from her innocence fraud narrative?
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Did Corinne Mitchell Want To Spend A Week Alone With Mr Fuller Whilst She Sent Her Murdering Son To Kenmore? (Part 290)
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Was Corinne Mitchell with Mr Fuller on the evening of Monday the 30th June 2003?
On her way home from work Corinne stopped off at Morning, Noon and Night for cigarettes and alcohol - was the latter for Corinne or to share with someone else?
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Only require an email address for FREE copy of fraudulent book
What's the deal here then? I'll need to set up multiple fake email addresses so I can get a few copies to kindle my log fire over winter.
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What's the deal here then? I'll need to set up multiple fake email addresses so I can get a few copies to kindle my log fire over winter.
No “deal” KenMair - totally FREE!
But you’ll need to buy some logs for your log fire as the book is like a kindle (not the kindle you have referred to, the other kindle) - and again it’s FREE 8((()*/
And only one fake email account required 8((()*/
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Was Corinne Mitchell drunk on Saturday 28th June 2003? Was this th e reason she couldn’t remember her conversation with Mr Fuller?
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But you’ll need to buy some logs for your log fire as the book is like a kindle (not the kindle you have referred to, the other kindle) - and again it’s FREE 8((()*/
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As Martin Lewis (Scambuster) told me, if it seems too good to be true then it probably is. I would need multiple copies to keep the fire going over winter so is this just a PDF/kindle version? *%87
Even so, things must be hard gaining new followers after the transcripts have been released.
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Was Corinne Mitchell drunk on Monday 30th June 2003?
Why didn't she drive to the Police station?
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As Martin Lewis (Scambuster) told me, if it seems too good to be true then it probably is. I would need multiple copies to keep the fire going over winter so is this just a PDF/kindle version? *%87
Even so, things must be hard gaining new followers after the transcripts have been released.
It’s an easily searchable edition of the book to compare trial transcripts with
And totally FREE and shareable 8((()*/
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Going by what she said in court, it sounded like Corinne Mitchell didn’t want to go to the police station - even though her killer son and her dog had been taken there
Why didn't she drive to the Police station?
More than likely due to her alcohol consumption
Sandra Lean always gave the impression Corinne was a heavy drinker
It would be interesting to know what Mr Fuller told the police about this
Did Corinne Mitchell contact Mr Fuller from Dalkeith police station?
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Was the “friend” Corinne Mitchell had a meal with Mr Fuller or someone else?
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Why didn't she drive to the Police station?
Probably because she had had a couple of glasses of wine after work. Very commendable that she didn’t consider drinking and driving.
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Probably because she had had a couple of glasses of wine after work. Very commendable that she didn’t consider drinking and driving.
90 minutes
That’s how long scammer Corinne Mitchell was phoning her killer son for that evening
90 minutes because he was “late” and “in trouble” apparently, even though it was Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion her 14 (almost 15) year old killer son go out and pretend to look for Jodi Jones
At least this is what killer Luke Mitchell told police
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Probably because she had had a couple of glasses of wine after work. Very commendable that she didn’t consider drinking and driving.
I suppose it's the only honest thing she did in the whole sorry affair. Have you read her court transcript testimony?
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Was/is Mr Fuller - James Fuller?
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Did Corinne Mitchell Want To Spend A Week Alone With Mr Fuller Whilst She Sent Her Murdering Son To Kenmore? (Part 290)
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Why would Corinne Mitchell agree to her sadistic murdering son Luke Mitchell going to stay with Kimberly in Kenmore for a week in the full knowledge he was going out with Jodi Jones?
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90 minutes
That’s how long scammer Corinne Mitchell was phoning her killer son for that evening
90 minutes because he was “late” and “in trouble” apparently, even though it was Corinne Mitchell’s suggestion her 14 (almost 15) year old killer son go out and pretend to look for Jodi Jones
At least this is what killer Luke Mitchell told police
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Please Nicholas when you post could you please have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.
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Why would Corinne Mitchell agree to her sadistic murdering son Luke Mitchell going to stay with Kimberly in Kenmore for a week in the full knowledge he was going out with Jodi Jones?
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Please Nicholas when you post could you please have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.
Foxtrot Oscar
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Was Corinne Mitchell drunk on Saturday 28th June 2003? Was this th e reason she couldn’t remember her conversation with Mr Fuller?
Did Mr Fuller say anything to the police about Corinne Mitchell smoking weed?
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Was/is Mr Fuller - James Fuller?
Who did this Mr Fuller know in the area and did he tell someone about Kimberly in Kenmore, which eventually got back to someone who knew Jodi Jones?
How many people did Corinne Mitchell tell about her killer sons trip to see Kimberly and who did they tell?
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Who did this Mr Fuller know in the area and did he tell someone about Kimberly in Kenmore, which eventually got back to someone who knew Jodi Jones?
How many people did Corinne Mitchell tell about her killer sons trip to see Kimberly and who did they tell?
Corinne Mitchell: As I said, we talk. I said are you meeting Jodi. He said yeah, she’s text me and is coming down. It’s a normal conversation - page 2778
Every time she opened her mouth she lied!
Alan Turnbull: Right. You went back home at quarter past 5 or about then, and he was in the house?
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And he stayed in the house until he left to go and wait at the end of the road for Jodi
Corinne Mitchell: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And what time would that have been?
Corinne Mitchell: It was about 20 to 6
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I wonder if when she said “yes” she sounded like she did when she said “yes” to James English
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March 2010 - Innocence Fraud scammers Billy Middleton and Sandra Lean attended killer Simon Hall’s preliminary appeal hearing in London, instead of attending killer Luke Mitchell’s court appearance in Scotland
11th May 2010 - Joe Jones visited scammers Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton to ask them to remove their abusive nonsense from their WAP website
Billy Middleton was hiding behind scammer Sandra Lean’s door when Joe Jones knocked on their door
Sandra Lean said she had invited Joe Jones in to look at the forensic reports
The following day fraudsters Corinne, Sandra and Billy posted this 👇 gaslighting nonsense on a forum
Corinne Mitchell - 12th May 2010
“Due to personal circumstances Sandra Lean apologises for not posting certain things she was asked for. She has asked me to let you know she will when she is able to do so.
“Con
That is outragious! People post under cover of different names for different reasons
It is not for any of us to expose real names. Depending what is said it can and has put people in danger. Remember we are locals. There was an incident yesterday that I can't go into but it was very scaryand in volved threats to both... MODERATED OUT... and myself..
Sandra Lean - 12th May 2010
“Just for accuracy, it was not me who "outed" myself, ...MODERATED OUT.
Of course I support Luke Mitchell - I have said so publicly for a very long time - I'm really not sure what is meant by Big Wullie's comment. Posting under an assumed name allowed me to put information into the public domain without it appearing to come from me, something which was done for safety.
I am both unable to post anything more than the shortest post due to a very poor internet connection and being forced out of my home (and therefore away from my my documents) as a result of the matter Corinne mentioned.
The documents themselves have had to be moved to a place of safety as well.
Sorry - I will be posting properly again when I am able to do so.
Billy Middleton (then boyfriend of Sandra Lean) - 13th May 2010
“For the record, Sandra had nothing whatsoever to do with my post, she is perfectly capable of posting on her own behalf as and when she chooses to. Or at least that was the position until her safety was compromised and is now left with limited access to the internet as a result.
Acknowledging where plagiarised material has come from (irrespective of how the material is obtained) is in no way the same as having permission to reproduce it.
Further, since a formal request has been issued to remove the material by the copyright holder, the onus is on you to act accordingly (since clearly having included your post in my message it was directed to you).
6 months after the above nonsense sexual deviant Billy Middleton apparently threatened Sandra Lean, after which her youngest adult daughter kicked him out the house
In September 2011 Billy Middleton's old boss Marina made the following statements on another forum
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:01 pm
"After Billy was arrested I sent this email to his parents. I also sent a copy to Sandra Lean, to try and confirm that I was telling the truth.
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Re: Please note amended address
Tuesday, 11 November, 2008 9:48
From:
"MARINA THOMASON"
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Harriets Mail"
Dear Harriet and Jim,
We've got your e-mail and we will pin the address up in the canteen at work. I'm sure one or two of the workers will want to write to Billy. This is a very difficult letter for me to write to you and I've struggled with my conscious whether I should or not.
During the time of Billy and Kareens wedding you were very good to us and you made me feel very welcome in your home, I felt you Harriet and me especially, clicked. You are a nice family. But the truth of the matter is we advised Billy and Kareen to pospone their wedding. I took Kareen aside and Christopher took Billy and advised them to put the wedding off. We did this because we knew the extent of the problems they had in their relationship and feared it would end in disaster. We hoped if they delayed it their relationship would come to its own natural conclusion. We always thought someone would get hurt although we could never forsee this happening.
I don't know to what extent you know of what went on here in Cullivoe. The police were involved on two occasions that we know of. There were numerous other occasions that were kept quiet by the Williamsons here in Yell. Billy and Kareens next door neighbour was very upset by what was happening. She was Christina's chaperone to nursery in the taxi. She said every Friday night was the same, they would be woken up in the middle of the night with Kareen screaming and sometimes she would hear Christina crying. She wanted to report Billy and Kareen to social services but luckily for them she spoke to her sister first about it who lives here in Cullivoe. She suggested speaking to Jean Saunders which she did. Jean said that if anything happened which she was worried about the neighbour was to phone her first. As a consequence Jean and John were in the square on more than one occasion. Kareen and the bairns came here to stay the night one of the times. It was very upsetting for me as my mam had just died suddenly 2 weeks before and I was 6 months pregnant for Amanda. When I answered the phone in the middle of the night to hear Kareen screaming I thought she was being murdered.
We never could figure out what was going on but when Kareen left Billy and went to Brae she told me a few things and it all fitted together like a jig-saw puzzle. I know that she went on to tell her uncle Andy and Gilda even more so don't be too harsh on them because you have to understand that Kareen very much made Billy out to be the bad guy. I don't know the truth of the matter because Kareen told one story and Billy told the opposite.
I don't know where this idea that the Williamsons never visited Kareen here in Cullivoe came from because to my mind it is simply not true. Susan was there at least twice a week, Christina and Lana were best friends. Although Carol doesn't drive she came at least once a week before or after choir practice and if she was working at the school she was there more often. All the family turned up for any birthday parties or occasions.
I know you are living a nightmare at the moment and of course you want to believe Billy, he is your son. We will all have to await what evidence comes out at the trial. I hope you are not to upset by this email that is not my intention at all. No-matter what the truth is of what happened that awful night the letter we wrote from C & A still holds true and I used to call Billy Christophers' right hand. He is a terrible miss at work.
This is a hard thing for everyone involved to come to terms with and our deepest sympathy is with you,
Marina.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:38 am
"I do feel incredibly angry that Billy Middleton feels that he has the right to publish on the internet whatever he wants without fear of retribution.
Reading his MOJ2010 speech just puts my blood pressure right up because there is hardly one single paragraph that contains the whole truth. Unfortunately there is very little that I can state as "fact" as at it would mean exposing people and information that at the moment has to remain confidential. I am, however, now in a position to comment on the following subject things that I was told as Billy took it upon himself to expose his ex-wife as the person to whom the sexual assault charges concerned.
He himself describes the charge as "sexual abuse". I'm unclear why. As far as I know the charges were of sexual assault. To my mind sexual abuse indicates a more long term situation. A freudian slip, perhaps?. Maybe this was closer to the truth of what was happening in Billy and Kareen's relationship.
However Billy Middleton states: "They then threw in a charge of sexual abuse against my wife instead but both she and her uncle proved in court it was not physically possible because we were about 60 miles apart at the time and the doctor who examined her testified that there was no physical evidence to support it.
Billy put forward a special plea of 'consent' to the sexual assault charges yet in the statement above he is implying that it never happened and that this was "proved in court". He can't have it both ways - either his ex-wife consented or else it didn't happen, not both.
The only 'incident' of sexual assault Kareen discussed with me in any detail was the time that caused her to leave Billy in April/May 2007. Remember, this was about 2 years before the trial and 18 months before the fire. It was the first time I visited her at her aunt and uncle's house in Brae after she left Cullivoe with the kids. She told me what Billy had done to her. Needless to say, I was appalled. She was upset and confused and asked my advice on what to do. She spoke about going back to him as she was afraid if she left him for good what he would do. Billy was constantly texting her and using the children as a weapon against her, saying things like did she really want the kids to come from a broken home and she was to think about the effect all this was having on them. Things like that. I advised her not to go back to him. She was 3 months pregnant with Annalise at the time.
Kareen had not been happy for a long time. Billy spent much of his home time on the computer. Kareen was sure he was in contact with other women. She looked up the history on their computer one day Billy was at work and found that he had googled "rape", "torture" and "p***y fisting". Billy had been visiting hardcore BDSM sites and Kareen was scared - is this what he had in mind for her? She told me things had been escalating against her will in the bedroom. She did not tell me the exact date of when the assault had taken place but I did get the impression that she had waited a few days before leaving him and moving to Brae. She only went to see the GP the day after she moved to Brae on her aunt and uncle's insistance. From my understanding of what Kareen has told me because she had waited a number of days and because she had given birth to 2 children naturally the GP was non-committal about any signs of an assault having taken place.
When Kareen took Billy back most of her family and friends distanced themselves from her including me. I felt embarrassed because I had tried to advise her not to take him back but she had and it felt very awkward. I know her family felt the same way. We have spoke since about the reasons why she took him back and I can absolutely see why she did - she was a typical abused wife caught in a cycle of abuse. She told me that one of the conditions she took him back on was if he saw a counsellor. He showed her a letter with an appointment but does not know if he ever attended. All she knows is that the abuse only ever got worse and because she no longer felt she could turn to her friends and family she was completely isolated.
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:11 am http://simplybillymiddleton.myfreeforum.org/ftopic9-0.php
"For reasons only known to themselves the police never interviewed either myself or Kareen's counsellor whom she was seeing regarding unresolved issues from her childhood and also the difficulties she was experiencing within her own relationship with Billy. She told her counsellor everything.
However, following the trial Kareen's solicitor did take a statement from her counsellor. That is why Billy never fought to see the kids. His lies would be exposed before his family and he couldn't let that happen.
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Gaslighter and scammer Sandra Lean - 12th May 2010
“Just for accuracy, it was not me who "outed" myself, ...MODERATED OUT.
Of course I support Luke Mitchell - I have said so publicly for a very long time - I'm really not sure what is meant by Big Wullie's comment. Posting under an assumed name allowed me to put information into the public domain without it appearing to come from me, something which was done for safety.
I am both unable to post anything more than the shortest post due to a very poor internet connection and being forced out of my home (and therefore away from my my documents) as a result of the matter Corinne mentioned.
You’ve had years to resolve that “poor internet connection” Sandra. Did you tell Corinne the same version you told me or did you give her a different version
The documents themselves have had to be moved to a place of safety as well.
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The day before you were offering to show them to Joe J
Sorry - I will be posting properly again when I am able to do so.
You were still with Billy Middleton, who had no problem posting 🙄
You were with baby killer Billy Middleton Sandra
Where was your youngest adult daughter around this time?
“If you’ve known a narcissist for a while, you’ve probably noticed their unquenchable thirst for drama. It seems that as soon as one drama ends, another begins.
Most neuro-typicals avoid drama. But narcissists relish it. And attract drama like flies round…you know what.
https://narcissisms.com/why-narcissists-create-drama/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Why Did Sonia Poulton Choose To Lionise & Promote A Dangerous, Psychopathic Murderer & His Toxic Enablers? (Part 292)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/11/killer-luke-mitchell-why-did-sonia-poulton-choose-to-lionise-promote-a-dangerous-psychopathic-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-291/
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What will trial transcripts tell the public about footprints ?
Scammer Sandra Lean claimed “four” casts were taken and none of them apparently matched killer Luke Mitchell’s
What was said during the trial about these footprints?
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Murderers Cruel & Callous Mother Corinne Mitchell & Her Total Disrespect & Lack Of Concern For The Teenage Girls (Part 291)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/11/killer-luke-mitchell-murderers-cruel-callous-mother-corinne-mitchell-her-total-disrespect-lack-of-concern-for-the-teenage-girls-part-286/
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 15th January 2018
“While I sympathise with Jodi's family and cannot imagine what it must be like to lose a loved one in such horrific circumstances, telling lies is still telling lies”
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FREE copies of scammer Sandra Lean’s 2nd fraudulent book available
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/09/killer-luke-mitchell-free-copies-of-sandra-leans-book-available-part-286/
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I would be very interested to read a book by someone who believes Luke is guilty, but , as far as I'm aware, nobody has written one!
I suspect there will be many books written once all the trial transcripts are published
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Nugnug Aka Steven Bones Aka Colin McEwen The “Anon Coward” Who “Makes Sh*t Up” (Part 293)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/11/killer-luke-mitchell-nugnug-aka-steven-bones-aka-colin-mcewen-the-anon-coward-who-makes-sht-up-part-293/
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Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
GoFundMe have taken down the Luke Mitchell fundraiser - I'm still awaiting an explanation from them. I'll update as soon as I can.
7:13 AM · Oct 19, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1185438681328443393
Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
Still nothing from GoFundMe - I'm looking for another platform because time is of the essence. I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thank you all!
4:03 PM · Oct 19, 2019
https://mobile.twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1185572236205404162
Convicted Murderers Should Not Profit From Their Crimes - REPORT YOUR CONCERNS HERE (Part 289)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/10/killer-luke-mitchell-convicted-murderers-should-not-profit-from-their-crimes-report-your-concerns-here-part-289/
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Betraying The Innocent By Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Grifter Sandra Lean (Part 295)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/12/killer-luke-mitchell-betraying-the-innocent-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra-lean-part-295/
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Corinne Mitchell - 29th April 2010
”The "Parka"
Luke NEVER owned a Parka jacket prior to the murder. As the mother of a 14yr old.....who bought all his clothes for him.......I should know!
The parka was bought after the murder, after the first raid of our house when the police took ALL of Lukes clothes.
Two police officers were in our house within minutes of returning from the shops and took receipts of all items purchased.
Corinne Mitchell went on to tell James English in 2019 that the family liaison officer Dc Mitchell Lindsay was waiting for her when she returned from FLIP, yet in 2010 Corinne claimed “two police officers were in our house within minutes of returning from the shops”
Which one was it?
Were the police waiting or did they turn up “within minutes” after they had returned or was it something else?
And if one of the police officers was Dc Michelle Lindsay, what was the name of the other police officer?
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Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
GoFundMe have taken down the Luke Mitchell fundraiser - I'm still awaiting an explanation from them. I'll update as soon as I can.
7:13 AM · Oct 19, 2019
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1185438681328443393
Convicted Murderers Should Not Profit From Their Crimes - REPORT YOUR CONCERNS HERE (Part 289)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/10/killer-luke-mitchell-convicted-murderers-should-not-profit-from-their-crimes-report-your-concerns-here-part-289/
Thanks.
Done.
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Thanks.
Done.
Did you download a FREE copy of the book too Rusty?
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Protagonist Nicola Brennan & Her Delusions & Denial (Part 296)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/12/killer-luke-mitchell-protagonist-nicola-brennan-her-denial-part-296/
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Did you download a FREE copy of the book too Rusty?
I've downloaded a FREE copy so saved me from setting up a FAKE email account. I might have to print it off to use as kindling though. Thanks.
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Did you download a FREE copy of the book too Rusty?
Can i set up a paypal to beg for funds, so i can pay my broadband first?
Will do.
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Protagonist Nicola Brennan & Her Delusions & Denial (Part 296)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/12/killer-luke-mitchell-protagonist-nicola-brennan-her-denial-part-296/
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I've downloaded a FREE copy so saved me from setting up a FAKE email account. I might have to print it off to use as kindling though. Thanks.
Have you had any luck re NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing Scotland?
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David1819 “In those articles they both state they met him in 2002 at their place of employment”
No it doesn’t!
Excerpts from Stephanie Bon’s 10 page sworn police witness statement can be read in the below blog
Killer Simon Hall: The “Affair”, Ghosting & Reinvention of Girlfriend Stephanie Bon, The Key To Snowcroft & The Bonfire Night Incident – Part 9
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%EF%B8%8F/
Ngb1066 “All three worked at the same place.”
No they didn’t!
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Have you had any luck re NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing Scotland?
Neither are registered. Sound like fly-by-night con men.
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Have you had any luck re NGU books and Viva Angelina publishing Scotland?
Neither are registered. Sound like fly-by-night con men.
Dummy publishing companies
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 1 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/blog-post.html
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 1 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/blog-post.html
This is chilling
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 1 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/blog-post.html
And that sick, sadistic psycho watched the families reactions from the other side of that wall
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Did Sandra Lean publish Luke Mitchell’s witness statements in full?
And if not why not?
And who fact checked her book?
FREE copy of scammer Sandra’s Lean’s fraudulent book
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/12/killer-luke-mitchell-betraying-the-innocent-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra-lean-part-295/
‘Truth seeking is a precarious task and often maligned pursuit - to be labelled a crazy conspiracy theorist, interfering do-gooder, fame seeker, evil bitch, murderer lover, sicko - these are the reactions of many who are afraid of the truth’
~ Sandra Lean
“do-gooder” Sandra Lean - who claimed you were a “do-gooder”?
Or did you make that up as well
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 1 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/blog-post.html
Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 2 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/janine-jones-transcript-101204-day-two.html
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What did people make of Corinne Mitchell’s comments about her picturing seeing her sadistic, psychopathic murdering son being released from prison?
Corinne said she could picture him, his hair was long and he was wearing sunglasses
Why was her first thought about her killer sons image/appearance?
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 2 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/janine-jones-transcript-101204-day-two.html
There’s another page missing
Page 902
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Why did scammer Sandra Lean omit the 10:51pm telephone call from Judith Jones landline to her mother Alice Walker’s landline, from her fraudulent book?
(FREE book http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/12/killer-luke-mitchell-betraying-the-innocent-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra-lean-part-295/)
Page 139 “There is no phone data suggesting Judith had information that others made these calls in those seven minutes..” ~ scammer Sandra Lean
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Alan Turnbull referred to the 10:51pm phone call during Janine Jones testimony
There’s nothing in her book on the 10:57pm or the 11:01pm telephone calls either - also referred to by Alan Turnbull during Janine Jones testimony
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There’s nothing in her book on the 10:57pm or the 11:01pm telephone calls either - also referred to by Alan Turnbull during Janine Jones testimony
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Scammer Sandra Lean - page 140
“…Luke does not remember talking to Judith once he was on the path…”
Of course he didn’t
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22:43 (Approx): Judith Jones Telephoned Killer Luke Mitchell’s Mobile. It Was During This Call That The Killer Said He Would Go To Roans Dyke Path & Pretend To Look For Jodi Jones & If He Didn’t Find Jodi He Would Head To Judith Jones House
22:49: Judith Jones Telephoned Killer Luke Mitchell’s Mobile, Who Had Also Told Judith Jones He Had Been On The Path On His Bike
23:01: Judith Jones Telephoned Killer Luke Mitchell’s Mobile, While He Was On The Path - Source Janine Jones’ Trial Testimony
23:17: Judith Jones Telephoned Killer Luke Mitchell’s Mobile, While He Was On The Path - Source Janine Jones’ Trial Testimony
Killer Luke Mitchell ignored his mother Corinne Mitchell’s calls for 90 minutes
00:31 Killer Luke Mitchell Telephoned His Mother Corinne Mitchell To Tell Her “Stop f..king Phoning” (According To Fake “Lawyer” Scott Forbes
00:32-00:38 Killer Luke Mitchell Deleted His Telephone Call History
Corinne Mitchell stated;
“He would not answer and then he finally phoned and said, 'I can't talk, I have to go.' He phoned back again and when I asked what happened he said, ‘I can't tell you’, I heard a man's voice in the background and Luke said it was a policeman and I asked to speak to him”
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+DIDN%27T+HELP+TO+COVER+UP+JODI+MURDER%3B+Denial+by+mother.-a0127122253
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Corinne Mitchell - 5th May 2010
“The parka was a theory conjured up by the police. According to them, Luke was "seen"......in three different jackets....One.....a parka.....two a german army shirt.....and three....a green bomber jacket......the latter is what Luke was wearing and the police took it when they stripped him that night.
Mark Kane owned a Parka jacket and admitted to being in the area that night. He was the same height and build as Luke and also had the same hair colour and style.
The Police claimed I had burnt the Parka jacket in my log burner. then replaced it with another. The Parka Luke was photographed in, in the Press was bought after the murder.....and the police have that as well.
To think I had burnt the parka in my log burner is a complete joke. Its diameter is approx 14 inches and about 10inches high. Fine for burning small logs but thats it. Anything other than that would be impossible. Even cutting the parka into smaller sections its rediculous. Zips, buttons, studs etc would have been left and the police took the ash that was in it away......and surprise, surprise.......nothing was found.
When ,later, the police asked people if they had seen Luke in a Parka before the murder, a few said they had but by then he was in the press on a daily basis...wearing the parka.......all in a bid to set out to confuse people. I know for a fact that some of his school mates were manipulated by the police. When they said that Luke only started wearing the Parka after the murder the police were determined to get them to change their minds.
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Remorseless Murderer Sean Patrick Toal Aka Social Sessions & Scammer Sandra Lean’s Silence On The Trial Transcripts (Part 301)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-remorseless-murderer-sean-patrick-toal-aka-social-sessions-scammer-sandra-leans-silence-on-the-trial-transcripts-exposing-her-bare-faced-lies-part-301/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Remorseless Murderer Sean Patrick Toal Aka Social Sessions & Scammer Sandra Lean’s Silence On The Trial Transcripts (Part 301)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-remorseless-murderer-sean-patrick-toal-aka-social-sessions-scammer-sandra-leans-silence-on-the-trial-transcripts-exposing-her-bare-faced-lies-part-301/
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Excerpts from P.270-271 of scammer Sandra Lean’s bogus thesis “Hidden in Plain View”
Internet campaigns
‘The steady increase in internet campaigns, although creating an outlet for information which is largely ignored or dismissed by the mainstream print and broadcast media, is orchestrated by individuals who have little or no experience of creating and guiding a large media presence, or how to maintain and increase interest once a case has begun to draw attention. An apparently successful campaign for one high profile case in 2009/2010, which drew several hundred supporters, collapsed amidst a very public, bitter and acrimonious dispute between various contributors.89 There were several consequences, including some contributors and supporters withdrawing from internet advocacy, others withdrawing from some campaigns whilst supporting others, and the creation of a general rift in what had, prior to that, been an encouraging and cohesive group. Anonymous and malicious posting, and posters using multiple online identities, have been an ongoing difficulty for online campaigns (and campaigners), with smear tactics and dishonesty being used to discredit individuals and cases, sometimes spilling over into physical threats and arrests90.
Restrictions in Scotland introduce an added difficulty for individuals wishing to run internet campaigns, as it is an offence to make public many documents used in trials or court proceedings,91 something which is a central part of internet campaigns both in England and in the USA. The ability to make available publicly actual copies of documents used in investigative and trial proceedings is considered to be a strong factor in convincing members of the public that a conviction is wrongful, but in Scotland, the inability to do so leaves open accusations that supporters of wrongly accused/convicted persons cannot “prove‟ that their claims have any basis in truth or fact, and those supporters and campaigners have no way of effectively responding to such accusations.
89 This campaign was beset with difficulties introduced by control issues, contributors who were ignorant of the actual legal processes involved, defensiveness, a tendency for contributors to interpret criticisms and suggestions as personal attacks, and the recurring difficulties of malicious and disingenuous contributors posting under numerous false identities.
90 In the course of this study, four people were arrested for online harassment and intimidation, direct physical threats were made to at least three individuals, including death threats, photographs of individuals‟ homes and family members were posted online, and personal addresses and phone numbers were released. Police in England acted on complaints of online harassment and intimidation, whereas Scottish police refused repeatedly to do so.
91 In Scotland, where case papers are deemed to belong to the solicitor, the solicitor is prohibited from disclosing information to “third parties‟ – for example, statements and expert reports in cases in England and Wales have been incorporated into campaign websites, but this would be an offence in Scotland.
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Killer Luke Mitchell: FREE Book- Betraying The Innocent Using Psychological Manipulation, Intentional Bare Faced Lies, Disinformation & Misinformation By Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Grifter Sandra Lean (Part 295)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-free-book-betraying-the-innocent-using-psychological-manipulation-intentional-bare-faced-lies-disinformation-misinformation-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Creepy Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Grifter & Arrogant Convicted Drug Dealer Shaun Attwood On Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Book (Part 302)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/14/killer-luke-mitchell-creepy-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-arrogant-convicted-drug-dealer-shaun-attwood-on-scammer-sandra-lean-her-book-part-302/
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Dummy publishing companies
Thankfully no more trees are being harmed with the publication of this junk (thanks to the FREE book). I managed about 15 mins of IB then fast-forwarded/skimmed for another 15 mins and that was it. It's emotionally written which explains why certain types have fallen for it.
It is not a professional or academic (criminology) piece of work, does not contain an index or referencing and badly needs edited down, to make any sense at all.
It also lacks objective context. E.g: Person 'A' was eventually found not guilty so LM must be too. No amount of inspirational quotes are going to change the facts the case is closed and for good reason.
For those releasing the Transcripts and exposing her lies, keep up the good work.
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It also lacks objective context
As did her bogus “thesis”
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Dummy publishing companies
Thankfully no more trees are being harmed with the publication of this junk (thanks to the FREE book)
July 2021
Shaun Attwood: Is your book available as an audio book?
Sandra Lean: It’s not at the minute erm I had intended to have it available as an audio book erm and then the documentary happened I run outta time
Shaun Attwood: Well I’ve got a publishing company if you wanted me to do it as a audio book for you let me know
Sandra Lean: uh um
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FREE E-Book http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-free-book-betraying-the-innocent-using-psychological-manipulation-intentional-bare-faced-lies-disinformation-misinformation-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra/
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July 2021
Shaun Attwood: Do you have a website whereby people who work in the legal profession could come forward and perhaps erm do pro bono work on this
Sandra Lean: We don’t have a website erm I have been trying to contact lawyers and, and legal experts eh at the minute I think because it’s so high profile there’s, there’s nobody getting back to me, it’s almost like ‘uh-oh’ who’s gonna be the one that puts their neck on the line for this one
Shaun Attwood: I’m sure someone out there watching this may have just had that attitude ‘well I would be the one to put my neck on this’ and get, get this situation fixed
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All they could manage was robber and violent con Scott Forbes
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/14/killer-luke-mitchell-former-convicted-robber-lawyer-scott-c-forbes-his-alleged-threats-to-solicitor-graham-mann-part-275/
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Shaun Attwood: In the introduction I said you’ve been harassed by the police. In your own words can you say what happened
Sandra Lean: It’s not just the police that I was harassed by, Jodi’s brother turned up at my house and threatened to kill me
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Notice how scammer Sandra Lean didn’t correct Shaun Attwood on the allegations he made in his introduction, as referred to in this blog 👇
Killer Luke Mitchell: Creepy Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Grifter & Arrogant Convicted Drug Dealer Shaun Attwood On Scammer Sandra Lean & Her Book (Part 302)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/14/killer-luke-mitchell-creepy-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-arrogant-convicted-drug-dealer-shaun-attwood-on-scammer-sandra-lean-her-book-part-302/
There is zero evidence Sandra Lean has been harassed by the police!
She was pulled over for a motoring offence because she was driving her car illegally - without an MOT
Re: her allegations of “he threatened to kill me” - No he did not!
Again -
These are yet more bare faced lies spread by scammers Sandra Lean and baby killer Billy Middleton.
Billy Middleton was hiding behind Sandra Lean’s door when Joe J knocked to ask Sandra to remove her nonsense from the Internet
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Janine Jones Trial Testimony - 9th Dec 2004.(day 1 of 2)
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/blog-post.html
Bottom of page 805 and top of 806
Did the police telephone killer Luke Mitchell when he was on the other side of the wall first of did he call 999 first?
Alan Turnbull: And did it seem to be the police that he was speaking to?
Janine Jones: Yes
Alan Turnbull: You may or may not know, but do you know if they had phoned him or if he had phoned them?
Janine Jones: I don’t know
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Did Corinne Mitchell Want To Spend A Week Alone With Mr Fuller Whilst She Sent Her Murdering Son To Kenmore? (Part 290)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/10/killer-luke-mitchell-did-corinne-mitchell-want-to-spend-a-week-alone-with-mr-fuller-whilst-her-murderer-son-was-in-kenmore-part-290/
Scammer Sandra Lean from her 2nd innocence e fraud book page 169
“The claim that he was planning to visit her again in July 2003 was based on Corinne’s plan to holiday in the same place – a plan that had since been cancelled.
So Corinne Mitchell was planning to spend a week alone with Mr Fuller, while her killer son spent a week with “another” girlfriend
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Did Corinne Mitchell Want To Spend A Week Alone With Mr Fuller Whilst She Sent Her Murdering Son To Kenmore? (Part 290)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/10/killer-luke-mitchell-did-corinne-mitchell-want-to-spend-a-week-alone-with-mr-fuller-whilst-her-murderer-son-was-in-kenmore-part-290/
Scammer Sandra Lean from her 2nd innocence e fraud book page 169
“The claim that he was planning to visit her again in July 2003 was based on Corinne’s plan to holiday in the same place – a plan that had since been cancelled.
So Corinne Mitchell was planning to spend a week alone with Mr Fuller, while her killer son spent a week with “another” girlfriend
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So Corinne Mitchell texted Mr Fuller - possibly James Fuller(?) - to tell Mr Fuller their holiday away together was cancelled
Corinne Mitchell was going away with Mr Fuller
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Killer Luke Mitchell: More On Remorseless Murderer Sean Patrick Toal & How Easily He Lies For Another Guilty Murderer & Robber & Violent Con Scott C Forbes (Part 304)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/15/killer-luke-mitchell-more-on-remorseless-murderer-sean-patrick-toal-how-easily-he-lies-for-another-guilty-murderer-robber-violent-con-scott-c-forbes-part-304/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Philip Mitchell Appears To Have Bought The Knife His Killer Son Committed His Murder With (Part 306)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/16/killer-luke-mitchell-philip-mitchell-appears-to-have-bought-the-knife-his-killer-son-committed-his-murder-with-part-306/
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Surely the book should be removed from sale if it includes false or misleading information?
Will be interesting to hear what scammer Sandra Lean says about why she chose to sell her 2nd innocence fraud book, knowing she had intentionally included bare faced lies within its pages
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Sandra Lean stated on 21st Aug 2012
‘As for Joseph threatening me, I understand why Jodi's family are upset by what I do, and I always have done. I have offered to meet with Judy, and I offered to show Joseph the DNA results the day he was at my door, because I believe Jodi's family have been horribly misled and manipulated which is disgusting - lying to a grieving family, convincing them of something the police had no evidence to support, and so on is unforgivable. Of course Jodi's family have to believe Luke is guilty - the alternative is unthinkable for them.
But that does not extend to accepting the family lying about events, as Judith has now been proven to have done. She publicly accused me of lying about Joseph threatening me, claiming, instead, that he had "visited" me to talk to me about the website, and that no threat of any description had been made. What she and Joseph did not know was that I was not alone in the house that day, but had an independent witness, who had been visiting me when Joseph arrived at the door, standing directly behind the door, out of sight of Joseph, who heard every word. Joseph later admitted threatening me, yet Judy's accusation came after that admission
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg116583.html#msg116583
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Baby killer Billy Middleton had not been “visiting” you Sandra Lean - he was living with you
And you had been together after returning from England
Ergo he wasn’t “visiting” you
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Sandra Lean stated on 21st August 2021
Sorry I couldnt get back on to post sooner - my internet connection at home has been down since Monday morning. As I'm not at home, though, I don't have access to the papers, so please bear with me!
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I have already explained that I cannot post the actual documents which provide the sort of "proof" Lithium is asking for, but to deal with some of the points which have come up since I've been offline:
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Judith mentioned Joseph's illness in court, during her evidence, so that information is in the public domain. The background to that evidence is not public nowledge, however, but there have been discussions about it on several inernet sites. So no,, he was not just a regular, healthy guy, sadly, he had a mental illness which had been, according to Judy herself, "difficult" for the family to deal with.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg116583.html#msg116583
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Sandra Lean stated on 21st August 2021
So no,, he was not just a regular, healthy guy, sadly, he had a mental illness which had been, according to Judy herself, "difficult" for the family to deal with.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg116583.html#msg116583
From not “regular, healthy” people to “ordinary” people
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Doesn’t your daughter have a mental illness Sandra Lean? (That information is in the public domain)
And do you tell her she isn’t a “regular, healthy” woman?
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TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Andrew Holburn & Carol Heatlie’s trial testimony is now available to read online
Not sure what the delay is with Loraine Fleming, Rosemary Walsh, Dean Houston & Grant Elliot’s
Anyone Can Purchase & Publish Murderer Luke Mitchell Trial Transcripts
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/16/murderer-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts-dalkeith-scotland/
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TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
Andrew Holburn & Carol Heatlie’s trial testimony is now available to read online
Not sure what the delay is with Loraine Fleming, Rosemary Walsh, Dean Houston & Grant Elliot’s
Anyone Can Purchase & Publish Murderer Luke Mitchell Trial Transcripts
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/16/murderer-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts-dalkeith-scotland/
While I'm entirely grateful for the transcripts, the delay between.uploads is a bit frustrating.
Anyway, after reading AH & CH's testimonies, it seems to me that LM was never wearing his padded green waist-length bomber jacket on the NB road after the LF & RW sighting (i.e., not wearing it between 1745 - 1820). This would make sense as I always thought him getting home after that sighting to change jackets and be back on to the NB road for just before 1800, was a bit of a stretch (although not impossible). I think LM went home at approx 1820 -- just after cyclist Grant Elliot saw him for a second time on NB road -- and started disposal of all the clothes he was wearing (with assistance from both his mother and brother) and changed into other clothes (freshly laundered possibly, since the boys he met with at the abbey at 1930 said in their testimonies that he was cleaner than normal; it's also possible he had a quick wash in his house somewhere, since he probably had no traces of blood on his body -- the parka jacket he was disposing probably took the only traces of incriminating DNA), including the bomber jacket.
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Anyway, after reading AH & CH's testimonies, it seems to me that LM was never wearing his padded green waist-length bomber jacket on the NB road after the LF & RW sighting (i.e., not wearing it between 1745 - 1820).
Do you think he removed his parka and hid it and was guarding it until he felt it was safe to run home unseen?
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I think LM went home at approx 1820 -- just after cyclist Grant Elliot saw him for a second time on NB road -- and started disposal of all the clothes he was wearing (with assistance from both his mother and brother)
If he went home at 1820 Shane Mitchell would have seen him
Do you recall Shane referring to his killer brother being in the garden during his trial testimony?
Was Shane Mitchell referring to killer Luke Mitchell having fires in the garden?
There didn’t seem to be much in the Mitchell’s garden, apart from pampas’s grass, a burner and table and chairs - what else could a 14-15 year old be doing in that garden?
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I think LM went home at approx 1820 -- just after cyclist Grant Elliot saw him for a second time on NB road -- and started disposal of all the clothes he was wearing (with assistance from both his mother and brother)
Shane Mitchell most definitely appears to have been involved in covering up for his killer brother Luke Mitchell
What exactly was Shane doing in the early hours of the morning?
Why didn’t he drive his mother to Dalkeith police station?
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colin mcewen
@colinmcewen4
im not sure they thouht she would be sitting in a wood on her own in the dark i mean i cant see many teenage girls doing that
9:22 PM · Dec 18, 2023
https://twitter.com/colinmcewen4/status/1736859408691499258
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Does anyone recall un-convicted baby killer and sexual deviant Billy Middleton and his comments re “teenage girls”?
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Murderer Sean Toal stated in his latest video “everyone in prison’s a lawyer”
Remorseless killer Sean Toal has also claimed he will be promoting that mass murderer Joe Steele in January 2024
No mention of fraudster Scott Forbes
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the parka jacket he was disposing probably took the only traces of incriminating DNA
What about the footwear he was wearing at the time?
Killer Luke Mitchell went from wearing dark footwear to light footwear
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Do you think he removed his parka and hid it and was guarding it until he felt it was safe to run home unseen?
Absolutely. He was acting strange (LF, RW, DH, MO & CH all said how suspicious looking LM looked when he was on the NB road) because he knew that khaki jacket had some blood on it which would have been noticeable had anyone gotten up close and personal with him (and hence why he probably hid it after the F&W sighting). What's strange, however, is the contrasting eyewitness accounts of what he was wearing in his upper body between 1800 -1810. The 3 pushbike boys, MO & DH and CH all gave different accounts of clothing. The 3 boys -- well, AH did (will be interesting to read the transcripts of the other 2 pushbike boys) -- said he was wearing a khaki green shirt that went past his waist; MO & DH said he was wearing a green bomber jacket (though, their testimonies have yet to be uploaded); and CH said it was a khaki green parka jacket that went to his thigh. As I said, most of the testimonies from the aforementioned have yet to be published, but I think that 4 of the 6 identified LM in court as the person they'd seen that day -- and, crucially, they never saw anyone else on that stretch of road. Not a single, solitary soul -- and not someone who was LM's twin.
Apologies again for any typos, etc ... but I'm back in a hotel in Bristol as I have a conference on Wednesday and I'm having a a few beers from the minibar and typing from my trusty Samsung phone. It's been a hectic day and I'm exhausted!
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Absolutely. He was acting strange (LF, RW, DH, MO & CH all said how suspicious looking LM looked when he was on the NB road) because he knew that khaki jacket had some blood on it which would have been noticeable had anyone gotten up close and personal with him
Could he have had the green shirt stashed in his parka when Andrina Bryson saw him & the bulging pocket?
How many green khaki green army shirts did he own?
Did that come out during the trial?
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Absolutely. He was acting strange (LF, RW, DH, MO & CH all said how suspicious looking LM looked when he was on the NB road) because he knew that khaki jacket had some blood on it which would have been noticeable had anyone gotten up close and personal with him
Do you recall Shane Mitchell’s statement to the jury when he told Alan Turnbull that he “couldn’t see through walls”
It sounded like he was attempting to distance himself from whatever his killer brother was doing in the garden
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What's strange, however, is the contrasting eyewitness accounts of what he was wearing in his upper body between 1800 -1810. The 3 pushbike boys, MO & DH and CH all gave different accounts of clothing. The 3 boys -- well, AH did (will be interesting to read the transcripts of the other 2 pushbike boys) -- said he was wearing a khaki green shirt that went past his waist
I don’t know why they weren’t all published together
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MO & DH said he was wearing a green bomber jacket (though, their testimonies have yet to be uploaded)
I don’t think Marilyn O’Sullivan and Derek Hamilton’s trial testimony has been obtained yet
I do however think they saw killer Luke Mitchell that evening, even though they didn’t identify him in court
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Absolutely. He was acting strange (LF, RW, DH, MO & CH all said how suspicious looking LM looked when he was on the NB road) because he knew that khaki jacket had some blood on it which would have been noticeable had anyone gotten up close and personal with him (and hence why he probably hid it after the F&W sighting). What's strange, however, is the contrasting eyewitness accounts of what he was wearing in his upper body between 1800 -1810. The 3 pushbike boys, MO & DH and CH all gave different accounts of clothing. The 3 boys -- well, AH did (will be interesting to read the transcripts of the other 2 pushbike boys) -- said he was wearing a khaki green shirt that went past his waist; MO & DH said he was wearing a green bomber jacket (though, their testimonies have yet to be uploaded); and CH said it was a khaki green parka jacket that went to his thigh.
He could have taken his parka off then put it back on again
Will also be interesting to read the witnesses testimony who gave evidence from his time in the army cadets, especially regarding killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing
Didn’t the army cadets also wear khaki green clothing?
Airforce is blue
Army is green - khaki green
Do you also recall what sadistic, psychopathic murderer Luke Mitchell said to that trainee journalist Roslyn Little in 2018
“I had motorbikes and horses.
I wanted to join the armed forces but this put a complete stop to it obviously
I joined the cadets aged 13 and everything felt right
It was the only thing I had geared myself towards
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16881794.luke-mitchell-interview-rather-stay-behind-bars-admit-guilt-murder-jodi-jones/
What reason did he give the police for leaving the army cadets in March 2003?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Army Cadet Membership & Replacement Parka
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/30/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-33/
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What about the footwear he was wearing at the time?
Killer Luke Mitchell went from wearing dark footwear to light footwear
What footwear did the army cadet leader say killer Luke Mitchell wore?
Corinne Mitchell attempted to suggest to the jury that her killer son wore his cream snowboarding boots to cadets
Alan Turnbull: Okay. And then he said a parka, just as one of the items he listed
How many items did Matthew Muraska list and what exactly were they?
Alan Turnbull went on: A parka that had a hood and it was old and faded looking. Did Luke…?
Corinne Mitchell: I don’t know anything about a parka previous to the one I bought
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I don’t think Marilyn O’Sullivan and Derek Hamilton’s trial testimony has been obtained yet
I do however think they saw killer Luke Mitchell that evening, even though they didn’t identify him in court
Why is that?
I agree. It was him they saw.
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Why is that?
I agree. It was him they saw.
It appears they already have Dean Houston’s, Grant Elliott’s, Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s biased on their blogs
For example, there are a few pages from Lorraine Fleming’s testimony included in the below blog
Transcript comparisons
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
Lorraine Fleming gave her evidence on the 1st December 2004
The following day Rosemary Walsh, Dean Houston, Grant Elliott, Andrew Holburn and Carol Heatlie gave evidence
TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/
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While I'm entirely grateful for the transcripts, the delay between.uploads is a bit frustrating.
Anyway, after reading AH & CH's testimonies, it seems to me that LM was never wearing his padded green waist-length bomber jacket on the NB road after the LF & RW sighting (i.e., not wearing it between 1745 - 1820). This would make sense as I always thought him getting home after that sighting to change jackets and be back on to the NB road for just before 1800, was a bit of a stretch (although not impossible).
Didn’t fraudster Scott Forbes claim killer Luke Mitchell texted his mother at around 5:45pm ?
Will be interesting to see what productions re: his mobile phone records recorded
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Transcript comparisons
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
The above blog has been updated btw and is also starting to include bare faced lies published by fraudster Scott Forbes
I wonder if Scott Forbes did put any money aside from the profits from his book?
Him and scammer Sandra Lean could face no end of civil action after all the trial transcripts have been published
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Has Lean (under her own alias) crawled out from underneath her stone yet, to explain to her followers why she lied to them? Or is she now in permanent hibernation?
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Has Lean (under her own alias) crawled out from underneath her stone yet, to explain to her followers why she lied to them? Or is she now in permanent hibernation?
“…injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don’t risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense….”~ scammer Sandra Lean - 18th December 2023
Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Within 24 hours.
You know, this is far too serious a subject to be playing games. You're either invested in obscuring real killer, or using this as an investigative larp. It's sick. You back nothing up & still strut around with the pompous arrogance of a bantam
11:30 PM · Dec 7, 2023
Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
These are your projections Ruth
@RuthLessTWAM
Stop projecting & answer my question
11:37 PM · Dec 7, 2023
Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
After this, answer mine -
I'd expect blood in his hair, in his ears, under nails
I'd want to know what happened to his balaclava- burning in a garden incinerator so small don't cover it.
I'd expect she would have got some good digs into him at least. I'd expect his blood & saliva
11:42 PM · Dec 7, 2023
Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
At the scene.
I'd definitely expect witnesses, for someone to have a story about seeing him bloody
I'd expect blood in the home & walk home, blood in shoes - if not, where are they? They can't disappear.
You ever been forensicly exam'd by police?
11:43 PM · Dec 7, 2023
Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
Why blood in his ears? Sounds like you’ve been watching too much TV Ruth!
How many females do you know who go around with blood under their nails after inserting menstrual products? Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had plenty of time to wash his hand and under his nails🙄
11:58 PM · Dec 7, 2023
Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Omfg... seriously, I've engaged with garden tools with a greater cognitive function.
Having a period - small amounts of blood in one location
She had 5-7 LITRES of blood, most had left her body by time of death according to the PM
How the living f..k does that happen without...
12:01 AM · Dec 8, 2023
Felony Bitchforks
@RuthLessTWAM
Arterial bleeds? Arterial bleeds haemorrhage, spray
Cutting poor Jodi's throat again & again requires close contact while she exhaled blood particles. A handwash won't cover it!
Blood in eyes, in ears, along every hair and lash
That's one of the most abysmal, embarrassing things
12:07 AM · Dec 8, 2023
Innocence Fraud Watch
@InnocenceFraudW
Are you *really* claiming someone can get “4-6 litres” of blood under their nails Ruth? Do give over!
Blood is blood & sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had plenty of time to wash his hands and under his nails in any of the nearby rivers & streams
12:37 AM · Dec 8, 2023
Ruth J Gould aka Felony Bitchforks 3d Facebook
Apparently this person is a regular campaigner against Luke Mitchell.
She is so bewilderingly dense, she suggested Luke, in this mad ten minute massacre of his girlfriend, escaped and got back home without being seen covered in blood because he found a stream to rinse off her blood.
She compared the estimated 4-6 litres of blood to a woman having her period.
I lost two litres of blood having a baby. I don't think anyone has any concept of what that much blood looks like unless you've seen it. Periods are a good example- the average amount lost is tiny, but it will look a lot more.
Is this the calibre of his hate club? It looks like it
https://twitter.com/RuthLessTWAM/status/1732905460661960776?t=q3ji0oOsQdjqYE6VQPKXwQ&s=19
Sandra Lean - 1d Facebook
I decided, today, to consult my garden tools - you know, being old and frail now, I'll probably need some guidance. Told the trowel and the rake first, then all of the other garden tools joined in - some of them were just plain confused - the older ones laughed their heads off. So now, I have some poor garden tools, injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don't risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense that is the combined output of this tiny group of ... I don't even know what their official title would be??? Thank you, Ruth J Gould for making me laugh out loud with the original response!!!
Kath Green Seath
Sandra Lean I can see a comment going up shortly about you and your garden tools 🤣
Laura Francis
Not sure if it's them but seems like 'innocence fraud' (on FB) oh they do my head in... They pop up on every public post about Luke and always just share the same word waffle articles every time. I went onto one of the links and read it and it was literally just a load of words put together, there was no coherent sentences and if you question them they just say 'ask Sandra bout the evidence in court that she fails to mention'... I think I lose at least 10 brain cells every time I interact with them 😵💫
Ruth J Gould
Laura Francis yes! That's exactly it. Articles with headlines like 'proof corrine Mitchell is a liar!' and the article is just talking about how a journalist wrote her age down wrong. Relentlessly idiocy
Heather Lungley
It is the same one Laura Francis, she’s also a lurker on this group. She lurks under a pseudonym of course, one of many she uses. Anyone who speaks out against her ramblings, she trawls through their Facey profiles and puts up their photos and more word salad rants about them. It is absolutely pointless trying to engage and have a sensible dialogue😏
Danielle Bbarclay
Best ignoring
It's better for the campaign if we do not give these things any attention. Small grain of sand they are. Not significant at all. This campaign is stronger and bigger than wee these wee farts x
Ruth J Gould
Danielle Bbarclay I know what you mean, and agree. I do think tho, it's kinda relevant sometimes to point out just how laughably stupid their theories are tho.
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They are not the sharpest tools in the box, are they?
And who uses a trowel in December? Utter nonsense.
Danielle, you don't have a campaign, the case is closed.
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They are not the sharpest tools in the box, are they?
“…injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don’t risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense….”~ scammer Sandra Lean - 18th December 2023
Scammer Sandra Lean seemingly knows many of the people who once fell for her innocence fraud are experiencing cognitive dissonance
Cognitive dissonance the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioural decisions and attitude change.
She appears to be warning her “marks” to ignore her bare faced lies and carry on regardless
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And who uses a trowel in December? Utter nonsense.
Danielle, you don't have a campaign, the case is closed.
Sandra Lean - 1d Facebook
I decided, today, to consult my garden tools - you know, being old and frail now, I'll probably need some guidance. Told the trowel and the rake first, then all of the other garden tools joined in - some of them were just plain confused - the older ones laughed their heads off. So now, I have some poor garden tools, injured in an attempt to make sense of this tosser of word salad. And for us humans, sanity is a fragile thing - don't risk it trying to make sense of the utter nonsense that is the combined output of this tiny group of ... I don't even know what their official title would be??? Thank you, Ruth J Gould for making me laugh out loud with the original response!!!
I was using garden tools in my teens, even before my teens
The people who get to know Sandra Lean will know she uses a lot of word salad
Word Salad: How Narcissists Manipulate People With Their Speech
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https://medium.com/@lessonaya/the-dangers-of-narcissistic-word-salad-what-it-is-and-how-to-deal-with-it-541084a46ac9
How To Weed Through A Narc’s “Word Salad”
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https://medium.com/@dinamin84/how-to-weed-through-a-narcs-word-salad-11e10865e96c
What is Narcissistic Word Salad?
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https://abusewarrior.com/abuse/narcissistic-word-salad/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Will Fraudsters Sandra Lean & Scott Forbes Be Withdrawing Their Innocence Fraud Books Now Their Bare Faced Lies Are Being Exposed? (Part 310)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/19/killer-luke-mitchell-will-fraudsters-sandra-lean-scott-forbes-be-withdrawing-their-innocence-fraud-books-now-their-bare-faced-lies-are-being-exposed-part-310/
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I don’t know why they weren’t all published together
It appears they already have Dean Houston’s, Grant Elliott’s, Rosemary Walsh and Lorraine Fleming’s biased on their blogs
I stand corrected 👇
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
IB page 238: "It is possible that this was how (RW's) first reference to the jacket came to exist, especially since all of the other evidence had Luke wearing a green bomber jacket with orange lining." - Why would the author make this statement if she has the transcripts?
4:58 PM · Dec 19, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Evidence for the other two boys on bikes was not transcribed - meaning no one has those transcripts. How then could Dr Lean say that they saw Luke wearing a bomber jacket? (IB 127) Even if she was referring to statements, AH said it was "definitely, definitely a shirt".
5:16 PM · Dec 19, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1737159894296350787
Scammer Sandra Lean (page 127)👇
“Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 – 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans, green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots).
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Killin’ Time 19 - All wrapped up….apart from the eBook
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https://youtu.be/TEsUl0tuLlQ?si=EK4fex4URjffYZZg
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If he went home at 1820 Shane Mitchell would have seen him
Do you recall Shane referring to his killer brother being in the garden during his trial testimony?
Was Shane Mitchell referring to killer Luke Mitchell having fires in the garden?
There didn’t seem to be much in the Mitchell’s garden, apart from pampas’s grass, a burner and table and chairs - what else could a 14-15 year old be doing in that garden?
I don't think SM would've told anyone if he had seen his brother at 1820 - 1830. I think he would've been coached by his brother & mother not to say anything when he went back home at the aforementioned time.
I can't recall reading SM saying/implying anything about his brother being in the garden on the evening of 30.06.03. Perhaps I should re-read his full transcript.
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I stand corrected 👇
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
IB page 238: "It is possible that this was how (RW's) first reference to the jacket came to exist, especially since all of the other evidence had Luke wearing a green bomber jacket with orange lining." - Why would the author make this statement if she has the transcripts?
4:58 PM · Dec 19, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Evidence for the other two boys on bikes was not transcribed - meaning no one has those transcripts. How then could Dr Lean say that they saw Luke wearing a bomber jacket? (IB 127) Even if she was referring to statements, AH said it was "definitely, definitely a shirt".
5:16 PM · Dec 19, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1737159894296350787
Scammer Sandra Lean (page 127)👇
“Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 – 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans, green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots).
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Did anyone ever see LM in the green/orange bomber jacket at 6pm (that he had worn to school)? Where did the bomber jacket theory originate from if not from LM himself and twisted by Lean.
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I don't think SM would've told anyone if he had seen his brother at 1820 - 1830. I think he would've been coached by his brother & mother not to say anything when he went back home at the aforementioned time.
I can't recall reading SM saying/implying anything about his brother being in the garden on the evening of 30.06.03. Perhaps I should re-read his full transcript.
Without doubt Shane Mitchell lied by omission
He did make reference to his killer brother being in the garden
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Did anyone ever see LM in the green/orange bomber jacket at 6pm (that he had worn to school)? Where did the bomber jacket theory originate from if not from LM himself and twisted by Lean.
Which one out of Dean Houston & Grant Elliott claimed killer Luke Mitchell was sitting on a wall - or was this story manufactured also?
Andrew Holburn stated the killer was standing https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/andrew-holburn-one-of-three-witnesses.html
“Photography student Andrew Holburn explains he and his two friends were cycling down Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, towards the Jewel and Esk College on Monday, June 30, last year when they saw a young man standing at the entrance to the Roan's Dyke path.
As they passed the youth, Andrew asked who he was. Both his pals said it was Luke Mitchell.
Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirm to the court that they had seen Mitchell on the night Jodi was killed.
All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.'
And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
According to the above excerpts the killer was STANDING
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Scammer Sandra Lean (page 127)👇
“Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 – 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans, green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots).
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Page 130
“After Luke’s picture appeared in the media for the first time on August 15th, Rosemary Walsh began telling work colleagues that Luke was the person she and her sister-in-law saw on the evening of June 30th, (fully six weeks earlier). A colleague urged her to go to the police but she did not do so. In the event, the colleague called the police and passed the information to them.
Scammer Sandra Lean bottom of page 130, top of page 131
“Can it reliably be claimed that these witnesses were not being influenced by investigators?
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Scammer Sandra Lean page 238
“It is possible that this was how Rosemary Walsh first reference to the jacket came to exist, especially since all of the other evidence had Luke wearing a green bomber jacket with orange lining”
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Again - Rosemary Walsh gave her first witness statement to the police on the 8th July 2003
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Anyway, after reading AH & CH's testimonies, it seems to me that LM was never wearing his padded green waist-length bomber jacket on the NB road after the LF & RW sighting (i.e., not wearing it between 1745 - 1820). This would make sense as I always thought him getting home after that sighting to change jackets and be back on to the NB road for just before 1800, was a bit of a stretch (although not impossible). I think LM went home at approx 1820 -- just after cyclist Grant Elliot saw him for a second time on NB road -- and started disposal of all the clothes he was wearing (with assistance from both his mother and brother) and changed into other clothes (freshly laundered possibly, since the boys he met with at the abbey at 1930 said in their testimonies that he was cleaner than normal; it's also possible he had a quick wash in his house somewhere, since he probably had no traces of blood on his body -- the parka jacket he was disposing probably took the only traces of incriminating DNA), including the bomber jacket.
Did the Mitchell’s have an outdoor tap?
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What about the footwear he was wearing at the time?
Killer Luke Mitchell went from wearing dark footwear to light footwear
From memory, AB initially described (from the book, IB) a youth wearing 'big boots' along with 'army clothing'. I've always presumed this to be a pair of chunky black Doc Marten boots. It would be handy if AB's full transcript was uploaded to read what she said exactly in regard to LM's footwear that day, though I'm sure if she'd seen white boots she would have said so and SL would've mentioned it in her book ('IB'). Again, it would be helpful if the full transcripts were available of all the eyewitnesses who saw LM between 1650 - 1820 (1820 being aporoximately the time he went back home to begin disposal and change clothes and footwear before meeting the boys in the abbey @ 1930) to read what they all said in relation to LM's clothing & footwear that evening.
I don't think the boots were destroyed in the burner (too messy and risky), but discarded somewhere well away from the house. SM was (deliberately or coincidentally?) out and about in Bathgate seeing a friend that night, so it's possible he dumped boots and clothing belonging to his wee brother there, off the beaten path. Or CM got rid of them; as per the episode with the knife purchased on December '03, she was able to hide things successfully -- even from a professional search team.
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Did the Mitchell’s have an outdoor tap?
I don't know. Even if they did, I don't think he would risk using an outdoor tap. I think he either used the house bathroom (knowing he had no trace of blood on his body) or a stream or brook in one of the woodland strips near his house. I think he washed in an area where he wouldn't be seen by anyone.
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From memory, AB initially described (from the book, IB) a youth wearing 'big boots' along with 'army clothing'. I've always presumed this to be a pair of chunky black Doc Marten boots. It would be handy if AB's full transcript was uploaded to read what she said exactly in regard to LM's footwear that day, though I'm sure if she'd seen white boots she would have said so and SL would've mentioned it in her book ('IB'). Again, it would be helpful if the full transcripts were available of all the eyewitnesses who saw LM between 1650 - 1820 (1820 being aporoximately the time he went back home to begin disposal and change clothes and footwear before meeting the boys in the abbey @ 1930) to read what they all said in relation to LM's clothing & footwear that evening.
I don't think the boots were destroyed in the burner (too messy and risky), but discarded somewhere well away from the house. SM was (deliberately or coincidentally?) out and about in Bathgate seeing a friend that night, so it's possible he dumped boots and clothing belonging to his wee brother there, off the beaten path. Or CM got rid of them; as per the episode with the knife purchased on December '03, she was able to hide things successfully -- even from a professional search team.
Both scenarios are totally possible
Shane Mitchell had plenty of time to dispose of incriminating evidence, as did Corinne Mitchell
Plus his grandmother Ruby Guetta only lived a couple of miles away and uncle Des Guetta was living with his mother
Anyone Can Purchase & Publish Murderer Luke Mitchell Trial Transcripts #Dalkeith #Scotland (Part 276)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/16/murderer-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts-dalkeith-scotland/
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Could he have had the green shirt stashed in his parka when Andrina Bryson saw him & the bulging pocket?
How many green khaki green army shirts did he own?
Did that come out during the trial?
It's possible, but I don't think so. He likely wore it underneath the parka all along, imo.
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It's possible, but I don't think so. He likely wore it underneath the parka all along, imo.
Agreed
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I don't know. Even if they did, I don't think he would risk using an outdoor tap. I think he either used the house bathroom (knowing he had no trace of blood on his body) or a stream or brook in one of the woodland strips near his house. I think he washed in an area where he wouldn't be seen by anyone.
There was reference to the river near the Tarzan swings near his house in trial transcripts
He could have washed his hands in any nearby stream, brook or river and then use the outdoor tap (if they had one) before washing his hands again once he was inside the house
In reality it wouldn’t have taken much to remove any blood on his hands and it’s not like the police surgeon (Dr Kranti) carried out any tests for blood on his body like they do in a forensic laboratory
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From memory, AB initially described (from the book, IB) a youth wearing 'big boots' along with 'army clothing'. I've always presumed this to be a pair of chunky black Doc Marten boots.
Who, other than David High, David Tullock and the other lad, said they saw killer Luke Mitchell wearing light cream coloured snow boots and the bomber jacket?
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Which one out of Dean Houston & Grant Elliott claimed killer Luke Mitchell was sitting on a wall - or was this story manufactured also?
Andrew Holburn stated the killer was standing https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/andrew-holburn-one-of-three-witnesses.html
“Photography student Andrew Holburn explains he and his two friends were cycling down Newbattle Road, Dalkeith, towards the Jewel and Esk College on Monday, June 30, last year when they saw a young man standing at the entrance to the Roan's Dyke path.
As they passed the youth, Andrew asked who he was. Both his pals said it was Luke Mitchell.
Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirm to the court that they had seen Mitchell on the night Jodi was killed.
All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.'
And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
According to the above excerpts the killer was STANDING
Will be interesting to see what trial transcripts say about killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile phone records
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Lorraine Fleming full transcript 1/12/2004
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/rosemary-fleming-full-transcript-1122004.html
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Lorraine Fleming full transcript 1/12/2004
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/rosemary-fleming-full-transcript-1122004.html
Alan Turnbull: Did there come a rime when you saw a picture of a young man in the newspaper
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Can you help us to understand how that came about?
Lorraine Fleming: There was a picture when my partner brought the paper in one night I was reading through it and there was a picture, it was like one of the Gallagher twins (sic)
Alan Turnbull: Right
Lorraine Fleming: And it was the hairstyle that I had says to Patrick, I says that’s so like the hairstyle I seen down (incomprehensible)
Alan Turnbull: Let me see if I can follow that up and look with me at production 60. Now can we see this in the monitor please
Judge: I think we just need the lower part of the page
Alan Turnbull: This is a copy of the,, it is I think the daily star for Tuesday, July 8th. So that’s.. can you focus on the date. Yes. the star oh I’m sorry, yes its July 8th. And accordingly this would be a week and a day after the journey you’ve been telling us about
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And the article is concerning Liam Gallagher and there is a picture of him in a jacket and standing beside a young lady. And is that the picture you’ve just been telling me about
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And what was it that you thought when you saw this picture of Gallagher?
Lorraine Fleming: It was just the way his hair was lying on his face
Lorraine Fleming kept this newspaper and subsequently handed it to the police
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Alan Turnbull: Did there come a rime when you saw a picture of a young man in the newspaper
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: Can you help us to understand how that came about?
Lorraine Fleming: There was a picture when my partner brought the paper in one night I was reading through it and there was a picture, it was like one of the Gallagher twins (sic)
Alan Turnbull: Right
Lorraine Fleming: And it was the hairstyle that I had says to Patrick, I says that’s so like the hairstyle I seen down (incomprehensible)
Alan Turnbull: Let me see if I can follow that up and look with me at production 60. Now can we see this in the monitor please
Judge: I think we just need the lower part of the page
Alan Turnbull: This is a copy of the,, it is I think the daily star for Tuesday, July 8th. So that’s.. can you focus on the date. Yes. the star oh I’m sorry, yes its July 8th. And accordingly this would be a week and a day after the journey you’ve been telling us about
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And the article is concerning Liam Gallagher and there is a picture of him in a jacket and standing beside a young lady. And is that the picture you’ve just been telling me about
Lorraine Fleming: Yes
Alan Turnbull: And what was it that you thought when you saw this picture of Gallagher?
Lorraine Fleming: It was just the way his hair was lying on his face
Lorraine Fleming kept this newspaper and subsequently handed it to the police
And looked nothing like innocent Mark Kane and his “curtain” hairstyle from that video taken of him at Newbattle abbey college
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Will scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes be withdrawing their fraudulent books?
Will there be civil legal proceedings against the pair of them in the near future?
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And looked nothing like innocent Mark Kane and his “curtain” hairstyle from that video taken of him at Newbattle abbey college
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Will scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes be withdrawing their fraudulent books?
Will there be civil legal proceedings against the pair of them in the near future?
I doubt they'll withdraw their books but various legal proceedings seem to be sooner than later and Paypal, Inland Revenue etc are on her case for illegal activities/undeclared earnings etc.
Will be good to see her squirm. Anyone still want to defend her?
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I doubt they'll withdraw their books but various legal proceedings seem to be sooner than later and Paypal, Inland Revenue etc are on her case for illegal activities/undeclared earnings etc.
Will be good to see her squirm. Anyone still want to defend her?
I’m at a loss to understand this kind of hatred towards someone you have never met. It’s all rather sinister.
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I’m at a loss to understand this kind of hatred towards someone you have never met. It’s all rather sinister.
Nothing sinsister. Someone who has spent 20 years actively pursuing a murder victim's family and you want to have LM round for tea, that's sinister. Lean has shown nothing but hatred towards the Jones family. She could have campaigned without using them. As I said, I hope she pays for her wicked pointless actions in whatever way, karma and all that.
Do you still believe her now after the transcripts show she has lied, or do you just want to engage in pedantic pointscoring as usual?
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I’m at a loss to understand this kind of hatred towards someone you have never met. It’s all rather sinister.
Wow. Just wow. How many years did you devote to slagging off two people and their friends, family and supporters, none of whom you had ever met? Sinister and hypocritical.
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It appears from Rosemary Walsh’s evidence that sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had wet hair when she saw him, therefore very possible this was either from him sweating or having washed his face and hands in a nearby stream, river etc
“…it looked either wet, like he’d been caught in the rain or he had something like gel on it”~ Rosemary Walsh 8th July 2003
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I doubt they'll withdraw their books
They may end up being legally challenged and have no choice in the matter
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 25th February 2021
“The 2005 conviction of Luke Mitchell for the murder of Jodi Jones in 2003 requires an urgent and fully independent inquiry. There are far too many unanswered questions to consider this conviction safe.
In the spirit of true justice and transparency, we, the undersigned, demand that all evidence and information be released to an independent panel (not the SCCRC) for scrutiny, comment and recommendations. The people are willing to raise funds to contribute to the cost of such an inquiry.
How have the funds been spent ?
£5 from each book sale are going into a “fighting fund”
All profits from book sales are being “donated” to an organisation which does not exist
Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To “Long Road To Justice” An Organisation That Does NOT Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
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Killer Luke Mitchell: Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To “Long Road To Justice” An Organisation That Does NOT Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/
Murderer Michelle Nicholson’s book was 👆🏽“legally edited”👆🏽 by scammer Sandra Lean
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How have the funds been spent ?
£5 from each book sale are going into a “fighting fund”
All profits from book sales are being “donated” to an organisation which does not exist
TIMELINE Of Scammer Sandra Lean’s Public Relations Spin Campaign & Where Are The Donations From The Profits Of Her Book Going, Funding & Taxes Etc (Part 269)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/07/27/killer-luke-mitchell-timeline-of-scammer-sandra-leans-public-relations-spin-campaign-where-have-the-donated-profits-from-the-october-2018-book-gone-funding-taxes-etc-part-269/
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Scammer Sandra Lean to James English (May 2019)
“The reason I put the book out is if I were forced to give up so if anything happened to me I don’t think there’s anybody else in Scotland got the level of knowledge of the case that I’ve got and the idea was put everything in there and then if anybody else wants to come along and take over the informations there
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Murderer Michelle Nicholson’s book was 👆🏽“legally edited”👆🏽 by scammer Sandra Lean
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Might have been an idea to have someone legally edit your own book Sandra Lean
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….various legal proceedings seem to be sooner than later and Paypal, Inland Revenue etc are on her case for illegal activities/undeclared earnings etc.
Scammer Sandra Lean - via you tube 14th April 2021
“I’ll pay the tax on all of the donations…”
How many books have you sold in total Sandra Lean and how much have you paid in tax on all these donations you’ve received since October 2018 to date?
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James Easton - Facebook 20th December 2023
THE MURDER OF 14-YEAR-OLD JODI JONES ON 30 JUNE, 2003 AND LUKE MITCHELL'S TRIAL
On Monday, 30 June, 2003, 14-year-old Jodi Jones was the victim of a horrific murder, on the outskirts of Dalkeith, a small town, South of Edinburgh.
Jodi was on her way to meet her 14-year-old boyfriend, Luke Mitchell and took a pathway through woodlands.
How do you know whether or not Jodi Jones still considered killer Luke Mitchell to be her “boyfriend” by the time she left to meet up with him?
Is it possible Jodi Jones had found out about Kimberly Thomson, or suspected he was planning to visit her in 5 days time?
Who did Mr Fuller speak to about his forthcoming holiday with Corinne Mitchell and what did he tell people about the killers other girlfriend Kimberly Thomson are his planned visit on the 5th July ?
Who did the people Mr Fuller may have told about the planned visit to Kenmore tell?
“We lived in a small village, a satellite in a three-mile radius around the town of Dalkeith, Midlothian. Village and small town life revolves around gossip and inward-looking concerns and our area was no different. The murder of Jodi Jones sent shock waves crashing through a number of interlinked, interdependent small communities encircling Dalkeith. The place was awash with rumour…” ~ scammer Sandra Lean (page 17)
Could Jodi Jones have found out something during that Monday - possibly at lunchtime?
What did Paul Cook, Keith Campbell, Alistair Leitch and David Suttie (china gardens) tell the jury and who did these people know?
And what did these witnesses say Jodi Jones was wearing at lunchtime?
What did the witnesses who saw her at school that day say she was wearing?
Also the evidence suggests Jodi Jones may have been running late, hence Luke Mitchell’s impatient call to the speaking clock at 4:54pm
There is zero evidence that Jodi Jones “took a pathway through woodlands” alone!
Andrina Bryson did not see Jodi Jones on the “pathway of the woodlands” and Jodi Jones was banned from using the pathway alone!
All those people who knew Jodi Jones best said she would not have used that path alone!
Alas, Jodi's body was discovered close by, later that night, by Luke himself, perhaps aided by his alsatian, who was being trained for tracking.
It was Steven Kelly who first “discovered” Jodi Jones’ body at around 11:30pm on the 30th June 2003 after killer Luke Mitchell pretended he had “found something”
There is zero evidence sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell went anywhere near his crime scene (other than just behind the V break in the wall) after leaving it some time after he had committed his murder earlier in the evening (See all trial testimony - including the three witnesses who were with the killer)
The “Jodi’s body was discovered close by, later that night, by Luke himself” trope is what the killer pretended had happened and the mainstream media ran with this false and misleading narrative
And the mainstream media, and many others, have continued to run with this false and misleading narrative for over two decades!
“The illusory truth effect, also known as the illusion of truth, describes how when we hear the same false information repeated again and again, we often come to believe it is true.
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https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/illusory-truth-effect#:~:text=The%20illusory%20truth%20effect%2C%20also,that%20the%20misinformation%20is%20false.
Although Like was not initially a suspect, circumstantial evidence seemed to imply otherwise and at trial, on 21 January, 2005, he was found guilty, by a majority verdict.
Killer Luke Mitchell became a suspect by 3rd July 2003
As by then, 16-years-old, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, with the possibility of parole, after serving 20 years.
However, due to the fact Luke Mitchell maintains his innocence, parole is not a likely possibility.
Many actual, factual guilty murderers progress through the prison system whilst pretending they are innocent
This case is incredibly complex and complicated.
It isn’t!
As you may come to realise once you have read all the trial transcripts - from start to finish
Bottom line; Luke Mitchell was, at the time of Jodi's murder, only 14 years old, yet an avowed Satanist, who carried a knife and had a heavy cannabis habit.
In reality - He was just over 3 weeks shy of being 15
There is evidence he carried more than one knife, there is also evidence he drunk alcohol and there is evidence of allegations of previous knife attacks on young girls
“Campbell was then shown three knives which he said were similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession”
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI+JONES+MURDER+TRIAL%3A+NAKED+AND+MUTILATED%3B+Jury+see+video+of+her...-a0124597244
Killer Luke Mitchell’s violent nature (or “short fuse”) appears to have been known about from at least the age of 7
A knife sheath found in his bedroom had a memorial to Jodi, "[Name removed] - 1989 - 2003", a quote from her favourite Nirvana lyrics, "THE FINEST DAY I EVER HAD WAS WHEN TOMORROW NEVER CAME' and also featured "'666" on both sides of the sheath.
Where did killer Luke Mitchell hide this particular knife sheath (Jack Pyke) between 30th June 2003 - 14th April 2004?
The brown wooden handled Jack Pyke knife, which would usually be kept in the Jack Pyke leather knife sheath went missing sometime after killer Luke Mitchell committed his murder
He also had another girlfriend and neither knew about the other. Although his other girlfriend lived 92 miles away and they had met on holiday, Luke regularly phoned her and had already scheduled to visit her on Saturday 5 July and possibly stay for a few days - the school summer holidays had just began.
Not “possibly stay” - the holiday was booked and planned to begin on the 5th July 2003
There is also evidence to suggest that killer Luke Mitchell may have been targetting other girls at the same time he was targeting Jodi Jones and Kimberly Thomson
This was, of course, planned for the weekend after Jodi's murder.
However.. and it is enormous...
There is no actual hard-core evidence, linking Luke to the crime itself.
What could be described as “enormous” was the fraud involved in the murderers public relations spin campaign
What do you define as “hard core evidence”?
There is no actual evidence pointing towards anyone else other than killer Luke Mitchell (again read all trial transcripts from start to finish)
There is no DNA evidence and Luke was seen after the presumed time of death, with no noticeable traces of bloodstained clothing.
There was undated, circumstantial DNA evidence
An agreement was made between the crown, the killer and his defence team that because the pair were in an “intimate relationship”, undated, circumstantial DNA could not advance the case
Why would killer Luke Mitchell have been seen with “noticeable traces of bloodstained clothing” by anyone other than possibly his mother Corinne Mitchell and/or brother Shane Mitchell?
Who walks or drives around looking for people wearing “noticeable traces of bloodstained clothing”?
Additionally, he met up with friends shortly after the assumed time of death.
He met up with his then friend David High around 1 hour and 40 minutes after having committed his murder
David Tullock was a friend of David High’s not killer Luke Mitchell, as far as it is known
There is nothing yet in the public domain regarding the other lad David Tulloch was with
Were there other suspects... absolutely and then some.
Who?🙄
If you look at the evidence in its entirety it points to sadistic, psychopathic killer Luke Mitchell and only Luke Mitchell!
As a result of potentially significant, new developments, arising from exceptional research by acquaintances, I have recently also become involved in researching this case - an update here:
What “potentially signifcant, new developments”?🙄
And why do you seemingly refer to your daughter as “acquaintances” ?
https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html
Has there been a miscarriage of justice?
No!
Some of purported prosecution evidence is outrageous and I can certainly explain the background to our Marilyn Manson connection - see: https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-marilyn-manson-evidence-links-to.html
You have yet to see all of the “prosecution evidence” so why are you choosing to make this claim?
If perhaps of interest, due to only recent availability of the actual trial transcripts, new evidence is gradually unfolding and you can join this resultantly established Facebook group:
It is not “new evidence”!🙄
It is “new” to you because you did not attend the killers 2004/05 42 day trial and hear all the evidence presented
https://www.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share_group_link
My present judgement call....
Comprehensively not proven and perhaps a vital clue, hidden in these detailed trial transcripts, some more of which have just been made available online.
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Ongoing research, extremely rare to have this opportunity, so many years later and being able to share in real time.
No it isn’t!
And the full trial testimony was not shared “in real time”!
If it was, it is extremely doubtful there would have been a public relations innocence fraud spin campaign
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James Easton - Facebook 19th December 2023
CYCLISTS TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
Although we have the Andrew Holburn transcript, unfortunately, it has just been confirmed that trial proceedings, involving the other two cyclists, Grant Elliott and Dean Houston, have not been transcribed and thus presently unavailable.
Meaning only Grant Elliott, Dean Houston and all the people who heard their evidence during their testimony would know what they stated during the trial
And why are you choosing to refer to them as “cyclists”?
Dean Houston“occasionally” cycled to school with killer Luke Mitchell, he was a fellow pupil at the same school as the killer
Most frustrating and especially as all three appeared as witnesses on the same day.
Why do you think the killer and his lawyers didn’t obtain trial transcripts for witnesses like Grant Elliott and Dean Houston?
To request an actual transcript from scratch, if possible, could be extremely expensive, obviously depending on how much work was involved.
Quoting the Scottish Courts web site:
"The cost of transcribing is £91.23 per hour or £1.52 per minute, plus VAT".
I shall personally ask for a quote though.
It is extremely unlikely the courts will release the actual audio copies of these witnesses testimony to any member of the public, especially due to their young age at the time they gave their evidence
Incidentally, I note that in her book, Sandra Lean claims:
"Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 - 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans,
green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots)".
Andrew Holburn did not know killer Luke Mitchell
Also none of these three witnesses appear to have said they saw the killer “sitting on a wall”
“Dean said that he occasionally cycled to school with Mr Mitchell, and Grant said the accused was still standing at the same spot as he made his return journey home some 20 minutes to half-an-hour later.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
“As they passed the youth, Andrew asked who he was. Both his pals said it was Luke Mitchell.
Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirm to the court that they had seen Mitchell on the night Jodi was killed. All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.' And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later.
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
Trial testimony of the productions of killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile telephone records will most probably be able to establish whether or not the killer made a call, like Dean Houston’s evidence suggested he may have done
This is part of a longer section, in which various sightings of Luke and his clothing are compared.
Point being, this apparently relates to the cyclists and there is no known, supporting evidence that Luke was seen by them, wearing his green bomber jacket.
8((()*/ or those cream coloured snow boots
In fact, the one testimony we do have, from Andrew Holburn, categorically rules out a bomber jacket and so far as I am aware, there's is no known, publication as regards what the other two cyclists described Luke wearing, or even if they were asked to.
Of course they would have been asked to describe what the killer was wearing 🙄
What reason would there have been for the police to not have asked them to describe what he was wearing? 🙄
This is important, as until now, Sandra's claim has been seen as supporting evidence that Luke was wearing his green bomber jacket, by three independent witnesses,
This is yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud nonsense -
“three independent witnesses” did describe the killer as wearing his green bomber jacket -
David High, David Tullock and the other lad with David Tulloch
at this moment and implying other sightings, around the same time and of Luke wearing different clothing are factually challenged.
Who by?
Sandra Lean also states:
"A more credible explanation, based on all of the available evidence, is that there was no parka, German army shirt or fishing clothes belonging to Luke on June 30th and that he was wearing the bomber jacket the whole day and evening, up to the point that Jodi’s body was found".
There would have been witnesses who gave evidence of what the killer was wearing to school that day
Andrina Bryson didn’t suggest killer Luke Mitchell was dressed to go fishing, her description was what she perceived his parka reminded her of
There was, however, an army surplus, German army shirt, which Luke owned, as of 30 June.
Sandra Lean was a regular contributor to the same 2010 thread on the 'International Skeptics' forum, in which Luke's mother, Corinne Mitchell verified:
Scammers Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were also regular contributors to the WAP forum.
Corinne Mitchell was subsequently banned from the WAP forum by un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton, because her statements were exposing her and her killer sons guilt even more
Note: All of scammer Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell’s statements from the WAP forum have since been deleted from the World Wide Web
28 June, 2010
"Luke did have a german army shirt which the police took. He got another one for his birthday....and the police took that too and as they were never produced as "evidence" in court they didn't find anything on them".
Are you beginning to recognise how scammers Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean aren’t on the same page so to speak?
So he could have had two or more of these army shirts before he committed his murder
What clothing items did Matthew Muraska list that the killer wore to army cadets?
The killer also had a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday (found ripped up in a bin), which appears to have been seized by police on the 4th July - his birthday wasn’t until the end of July
Did killer Luke Mitchell and his mother also buy a replacement green army shirt from FLIP on the 8th July as well as the parka?
Incidentally, I was wondering what Sandra Lean had remarked concerning the fact that Luke had met up with friends, David High and David Tulloch, plus one other, circa 7 p.m. and they had smoked cannabis in the grounds of Newbattle College, eventually making their way to the 'Tarzan' swing, past Luke's house.
Sandra covers it, briefly:
"By seven o’clock, Jodi hadn’t turned up, so Luke called his mother and asked her to direct Jodi, if she turned up at the house, to the grounds of Newbattle Abbey, where he had arranged to meet some other
friends.
Killer Luke Mitchell initially invited David High to meet him at his home in Newbattle abbey crescent
At some time thereafter he contacted David High again and told David (High) he would instead meet him at the abbey
The 7pm time appears to have been when David Tullock and the other lad met up with David High
The estimated time when killer Luke Mitchell arrived at the abbey does not appear to have been reported on
What time did David High, David Tullock and the other lad estimate there was a heavy downpour of rain?
And at what time did Alan Turnbull calculate this heavy downpour occurred?
The timings of the heavy downpour of rain that evening is something the police would have established very early on during their investigation
At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog...".
Sandra Lean omits the drug taking component entirely.
She omits a wealth -
Another relevant fact being that Corinne Mitchell’s evidence was that her killer son had taken her dog out for a walk at around 9:40pm
Nonetheless, there is nothing seemingly untoward in Luke doing so, if he presumed Jodi was not turning up, for whatever reason.
🙄 There is everything “seemingly untoward” in killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour after telephoning the Jones’ home phone
When he eventually met up with David High he told him Jodi Jones “couldn’t come out”
Why would he say this?
It’s a massive red flag!
“The witness told the court that on the evening of 30 June last year, the day when Jodi was killed, he met up with Mr Mitchell at Newbattle Abbey College. But he noticed Mr Mitchell was by himself. He told the court: "I asked him where Jodi was because it was unusual for them not to be together. "He said that she wasn't coming out." The court heard that when questioned by police after the murder, Mr High had given a slightly different version of that, stating that Mr Mitchell had said Jodi "couldn't" come out.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4066537.stm
This (when he got to the abbey) was more than likely the first time the killer had had a chance for his drug taking since the lunchtime
He had been busy attempting to put an alibi in place, changing his clothes and washing his face and hands etc
Indeed, if guilty of having just killed Jodi, it would be a 'cold hearted murder', personified.
Sadistic, psychopath Luke Mitchell did kill Jodi Jones and it was indeed “a cold hearted murder”
It perhaps gives pause for related thought and something therein, I will come back to.
As an adoptee, how do you think Corinne Mitchell’s mental health impacted on her and in turn her two sons over the years?
And what have you been able to establish regarding Corinne Mitchell’s self medicating via drink and drugs?
Sandra Lean always gave the impression Corinne Mitchell was a heavy drinker
By the way, Corinne Mitchell attempted to project her undesirable character traits onto David High and referred to him as a “notorious liar”
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^^ Excellent work, Nicholas! These are the real questions, though obviously rhetorical mostly. You've successfully highlighted the extent of how overwhelming the circumstantial evidence was against LM.
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^^ Excellent work, Nicholas! These are the real questions, though obviously rhetorical mostly. You've successfully highlighted the extent of how overwhelming the circumstantial evidence was against LM.
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Nothing sinsister. Someone who has spent 20 years actively pursuing a murder victim's family and you want to have LM round for tea, that's sinister. Lean has shown nothing but hatred towards the Jones family. She could have campaigned without using them. As I said, I hope she pays for her wicked pointless actions in whatever way, karma and all that.
Do you still believe her now after the transcripts show she has lied, or do you just want to engage in pedantic pointscoring as usual?
I didn’t believe or disbelieve her…she was simply a source.
The transcripts while interesting don’t tell the whole story either. We can see that from the changes to several witness’s testimony.
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It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
lol
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I didn’t believe or disbelieve her…she was simply a source. The transcripts while interesting don’t tell the whole story either. We can see that from the changes to several witness’s testimony.
From 2021: It’s a fantastic book scrammed full of information but unfortunately if you’re not willing to give the author the renumeration she so richly deserves I guess you’ll have to take my word for it.
You've used Lean as the source for your arguments here and leapt to her defence hundreds of times, so you either believe her or you don't. You then claim IB is full of information but none of it was peer checked or referenced. It's an absolute shambles of a book that's been exposed for what it is.
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lol
No wonder you're laughing. What a belter that is! (&^&
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You've used Lean as the source for your arguments here and leapt to her defence hundreds of times, so you either believe her or you don't. You then claim IB is full of information but none of it was peer checked or referenced. It's an absolute shambles of a book that's been exposed for what it is.
8@??)( Hilarious.
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You've used Lean as the source for your arguments here and leapt to her defence hundreds of times, so you either believe her or you don't. You then claim IB is full of information but none of it was peer checked or referenced. It's an absolute shambles of a book that's been exposed for what it is.
Her 3rd book is an even bigger abomination. Of course, she was too cowardly to put her own name to it, but we all know who was behind it.
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It's an absolute shambles of a book that's been exposed for what it is.
Link to FREE eBook http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-free-book-betraying-the-innocent-using-psychological-manipulation-intentional-bare-faced-lies-disinformation-misinformation-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra/
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Why did you choose to intentionally bare face lie to so many people Sandra Lean?
It appears copies of Dc Alan Towers testimony have been obtained and again the evidence isn’t matching up with your innocence fraud nonsense Sandra
Sadistic murderer and psychopath Luke Mitchell told the police he had erased his calls from his mobile at around 10:40pm on the night he committed his murder
His excuse for doing this was “to avoid the possibility of making an accidental outgoing call”
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell:
I handed over my phone to Dc Towers and (inaudible) as it would have dates and times of calls (inaudible)
I’m sure I erased my previous calls because incase I accidentally made an outgoing call from my phone
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Scammer Sandra Lean to James English (May 2019)
“The reason I put the book out is if I were forced to give up so if anything happened to me I don’t think there’s anybody else in Scotland got the level of knowledge of the case that I’ve got and the idea was put everything in there and then if anybody else wants to come along and take over the informations there
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Scammer Sandra Lean to James English (May 2019)
“The reason I put the book out is if I were forced to give up so if anything happened to me I don’t think there’s anybody else in Scotland got the level of knowledge of the case that I’ve got and the idea was put everything in there and then if anybody else wants to come along and take over the informations there
Scammer Sandra Lean did not attend sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial and Sandra does not have all of the trial transcripts - including in relation to the dna
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Interestingly, not all of the forensic stuff has been transcribed - meaning no one has a copy of some of that evidence yet.
11:40 AM · Dec 22, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1738162709617598881
Yet she alleges she is raising money for dna testing
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Why did you choose to intentionally bare face lie to so many people Sandra Lean?
It appears copies of Dc Alan Towers testimony have been obtained and again the evidence isn’t matching up with your innocence fraud nonsense Sandra
Sadistic murderer and psychopath Luke Mitchell told the police he had erased his calls from his mobile at around 10:40pm on the night he committed his murder
His excuse for doing this was “to avoid the possibility of making an accidental outgoing call”
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell:
I handed over my phone to Dc Towers and (inaudible) as it would have dates and times of calls (inaudible)
I’m sure I erased my previous calls because incase I accidentally made an outgoing call from my phone
Do you have a link to Alan Towers's transcript? I can't see it on that new blog. Where did you read the part about LM's reason for erasing all the texts and call log history from his phone?
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Do you have a link to Alan Towers's transcript? I can't see it on that new blog. Where did you read the part about LM's reason for erasing all the texts and call log history from his phone?
Think so far it has just been a snippet put up on X. Waiting on them getting added to the blog.
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Scammer Sandra Lean did not attend sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial and Sandra does not have all of the trial transcripts - including in relation to the dna
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Interestingly, not all of the forensic stuff has been transcribed - meaning no one has a copy of some of that evidence yet.
11:40 AM · Dec 22, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1738162709617598881
Yet she alleges she is raising money for dna testing
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Why anyone has put any faith into the shambles around those reports in IB is beyond me. The blatant manipulation smacks you in the face.
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Why did you choose to intentionally bare face lie to so many people Sandra Lean?
It appears copies of Dc Alan Towers testimony have been obtained and again the evidence isn’t matching up with your innocence fraud nonsense Sandra
Sadistic murderer and psychopath Luke Mitchell told the police he had erased his calls from his mobile at around 10:40pm on the night he committed his murder
His excuse for doing this was “to avoid the possibility of making an accidental outgoing call”
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell:
I handed over my phone to Dc Towers and (inaudible) as it would have dates and times of calls (inaudible)
I’m sure I erased my previous calls because incase I accidentally made an outgoing call from my phone
Apparently killer Luke Mitchell deleted his phones calls at around 10:35pm
Presumably he deleted Judith Jones 10:20pm text message at around this time too (?)
Or did Jhelum have his mobile phone off for some time and delete it’s history after switching it back on?
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Scammer Sandra Lean (page 146)
“…one particular point stands out. There was a 14-year-old boy, alone on a “dangerous” path at 11 o’clock at night, looking for Jodi…”
So why didn’t Corinne Mitchell or Shane Mitchell go with him and what were the pair of them doing while he was out of the house?
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Scammer Sandra Lean (page 137)
“Perhaps one of the most surprising discoveries for me in the earliest days of my involvement in this case was the importance of attention to detail”
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What the transcripts have made clear is that virtually every witness who claimed to see Luke that night described him wearing different clothes.
I especially enjoyed Findlay’s dissection of Fleming’s imaginings. It would have been hilarious if it wasn’t so serious.
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Why anyone has put any faith into the shambles around those reports in IB is beyond me. The blatant manipulation smacks you in the face.
The fact scammer Sandra Lean had made reference to her first fraudulent book No Smoke should have been a massive red flag
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Her 3rd book is an even bigger abomination. Of course, she was too cowardly to put her own name to it, but we all know who was behind it.
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Why couldn’t Shane Mitchell drive his mother Corinne Mitchell to Newbattle police station?
Alan Turnbull: Where were you originally intending to go?
Dc Alan Towers: Originally, Newbattle police station which is only a few hundred yards from the school
Alan Turnbull: I see. And did you set off in the car with that in mind
Alan Turnbull: No, eventually, we, that was in mind, but Luke explained his mother had a problem with transportation to Newbattle
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: So that’s why the plan was changed
Alan Turnbull: Did you discuss that with his mother, or did he discuss that?
Dc Alan Towers: Yes we allowed him to phone his mother back
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: He then spoke to his mother again, and my colleague spoke to her and explained, convenience for her as well to meet at Dalkeith police station
Alan Turnbull: Right. So that would be two phone calls that you were aware of
Dc Alan Towers: That’s what we were aware of, yes
Alan Turnbull: The one in the back of the car, the Land Rover, rather, and then the second one which was to explain where you were going to
Dc Alan Towers: That’s correct sir
Again - why didn’t Shane Mitchell take his mother to Newbattle police station?
Where was Shane Mitchell at this time and what was he doing?
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Why couldn’t Shane Mitchell drive his mother Corinne Mitchell to Newbattle police station?
Alan Turnbull: Where were you originally intending to go?
Dc Alan Towers: Originally, Newbattle police station which is only a few hundred yards from the school
Alan Turnbull: I see. And did you set off in the car with that in mind
Alan Turnbull: No, eventually, we, that was in mind, but Luke explained his mother had a problem with transportation to Newbattle
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: So that’s why the plan was changed
Alan Turnbull: Did you discuss that with his mother, or did he discuss that?
Dc Alan Towers: Yes we allowed him to phone his mother back
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: He then spoke to his mother again, and my colleague spoke to her and explained, convenience for her as well to meet at Dalkeith police station
Alan Turnbull: Right. So that would be two phone calls that you were aware of
Dc Alan Towers: That’s what we were aware of, yes
Alan Turnbull: The one in the back of the car, the Land Rover, rather, and then the second one which was to explain where you were going to
Dc Alan Towers: That’s correct sir
Again - why didn’t Shane Mitchell take his mother to Newbattle police station?
Where was Shane Mitchell at this time and what was he doing?
Corinne Mitchell is the notorious liar she accused David High of being
“Every time she opened her mouth she lied”
This 👆🏽is what Corinne Mitchell attempted to project onto Dc Michelle Lindsay
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Again - why didn’t Shane Mitchell take his mother to Newbattle police station?
Where was Shane Mitchell at this time and what was he doing?
What time did Corinne Mitchell telephone Shane Mitchell to ask him to bring his killer brother some clothes?
They had two cars - why couldn’t Shane Mitchell have driven his mother to Newbattle police station?
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Alan Turnbull: Where were you originally intending to go?
Dc Alan Towers: Originally, Newbattle police station which is only a few hundred yards from the school
Alan Turnbull: I see. And did you set off in the car with that in mind
Alan Turnbull: No, eventually, we, that was in mind, but Luke explained his mother had a problem with transportation to Newbattle
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: So that’s why the plan was changed
Alan Turnbull: Did you discuss that with his mother, or did he discuss that?
Dc Alan Towers: Yes we allowed him to phone his mother back
Alan Turnbull: Right
Dc Alan Towers: He then spoke to his mother again, and my colleague spoke to her and explained, convenience for her as well to meet at Dalkeith police station
Alan Turnbull: Right. So that would be two phone calls that you were aware of
Dc Alan Towers: That’s what we were aware of, yes
Alan Turnbull: The one in the back of the car, the Land Rover, rather, and then the second one which was to explain where you were going to
Dc Alan Towers: That’s correct sir
Yet at 12:29am Corinne Mitchell sent a text message to her killer son Luke Mitchell reading;
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”~ Text message from Corinne Mitchell
If Corinne Mitchell didn’t have a problem heading to the back of Newbattle high school at 12:29am, what changed between 12:31am and 12:39am?
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Yet at 12:29am Corinne Mitchell sent a text message to her killer son Luke Mitchell reading;
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”~ Text message from Corinne Mitchell
If Corinne Mitchell didn’t have a problem heading to the back of Newbattle high school at 12:29am, what changed between 12:31am and 12:39am?
Who did sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell send a text to at 00:27hrs ?
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Who did sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell send a text to at 00:27hrs ?
He seemingly stood on the other side of the V on the wall for around 10 minutes
And whilst Jodi Jones loved ones were in shock and distraught - he was checking his voicemail
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Auld Sandra has spoken (or prophesied?)
Ronnie Mothersole
Is your book going to be banned As someone on YouTube stated
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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8((()*/
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Auld Sandra has spoken (or prophesied?)
Ronnie Mothersole
Is your book going to be banned As someone on YouTube stated
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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Killer Luke Mitchell: FREE eBook - Betraying The Innocent Using Psychological Manipulation, Intentional Bare Faced Lies, Disinformation & Misinformation By Innocence Fraud Phenomenon Grifter Sandra Lean (Part 295)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-free-book-betraying-the-innocent-using-psychological-manipulation-intentional-bare-faced-lies-disinformation-misinformation-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra/
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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“Stand up for what’s right”?
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Is improper and illegal exploitation and abuse of all those people who do not have a full grasp of the workings of the criminal justice system standing up for what’s right Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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8((()*/
Is using a bogus PhD and illegally pretending to be a “criminologist” to illegally and improperly exploit and abuse all those people who do not have a full grasp of how sadistic murderers and psychopaths like killer Luke Mitchell (and some of their their deceptive enablers) “work” and tick/behave standing up for what’s right Sandra Lean?
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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The innocence fraud phenomenon - which sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell, and his deceptive enablers public relations spin campaign 100% is - is akin to organised crime
Organised Crime is defined as planned and co-ordinated criminal behaviour and conduct by people working together on a continuing basis. Their motivation is often, but not always, financial gain.
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Yet at 12:29am Corinne Mitchell sent a text message to her killer son Luke Mitchell reading;
“You will tell me right now what is wrong. I'm on my way up to find you”~ Text message from Corinne Mitchell
If Corinne Mitchell didn’t have a problem heading to the back of Newbattle high school at 12:29am, what changed between 12:31am and 12:39am?
Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean
Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
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Killer Luke Mitchell didn’t leave from behind newbattle high school with Dc Alan Towers and his colleague until gone 00:39hrs
Was the killer “medically examined” or forensically examined Sandra Lean?
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James Easton - Facebook 19th December 2023
CYCLISTS TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
Although we have the Andrew Holburn transcript, unfortunately, it has just been confirmed that trial proceedings, involving the other two cyclists, Grant Elliott and Dean Houston, have not been transcribed and thus presently unavailable.
Meaning only Grant Elliott, Dean Houston and all the people who heard their evidence during their testimony would know what they stated during the trial
And why are you choosing to refer to them as “cyclists”?
Dean Houston“occasionally” cycled to school with killer Luke Mitchell, he was a fellow pupil at the same school as the killer
Most frustrating and especially as all three appeared as witnesses on the same day.
Why do you think the killer and his lawyers didn’t obtain trial transcripts for witnesses like Grant Elliott and Dean Houston?
To request an actual transcript from scratch, if possible, could be extremely expensive, obviously depending on how much work was involved.
Quoting the Scottish Courts web site:
"The cost of transcribing is £91.23 per hour or £1.52 per minute, plus VAT".
I shall personally ask for a quote though.
It is extremely unlikely the courts will release the actual audio copies of these witnesses testimony to any member of the public, especially due to their young age at the time they gave their evidence
Incidentally, I note that in her book, Sandra Lean claims:
"Just before six o’clock, Luke was identified by people who knew him, sitting on a wall at the end of his street, 400 - 500 metres further along the Newbattle Road, wearing completely different clothes (baggy jeans,
green bomber jacket with orange lining and distinctive, light coloured snowboarding boots)".
Andrew Holburn did not know killer Luke Mitchell
Also none of these three witnesses appear to have said they saw the killer “sitting on a wall”
“Dean said that he occasionally cycled to school with Mr Mitchell, and Grant said the accused was still standing at the same spot as he made his return journey home some 20 minutes to half-an-hour later.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410701.cyclists-tell-trial-of-seeing-jodi-accused/
“As they passed the youth, Andrew asked who he was. Both his pals said it was Luke Mitchell.
Grant Elliot and Dean Houston, both 15, confirm to the court that they had seen Mitchell on the night Jodi was killed. All three witnesses identify Mitchell in the dock. Houston, who said he occasionally cycled to school with Mitchell, says: 'I'm sure he was on the phone.' And Grant Elliot tells the court that Mitchell was still standing at the same spot 20 minutes to half an hour later.
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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+JODI+JONES+TRIAL%3A+A+strangling+sort+of+sound%2Ca+human.+It+sounded...-a0125808235
Trial testimony of the productions of killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile telephone records will most probably be able to establish whether or not the killer made a call, like Dean Houston’s evidence suggested he may have done
This is part of a longer section, in which various sightings of Luke and his clothing are compared.
Point being, this apparently relates to the cyclists and there is no known, supporting evidence that Luke was seen by them, wearing his green bomber jacket.
8((()*/ or those cream coloured snow boots
In fact, the one testimony we do have, from Andrew Holburn, categorically rules out a bomber jacket and so far as I am aware, there's is no known, publication as regards what the other two cyclists described Luke wearing, or even if they were asked to.
Of course they would have been asked to describe what the killer was wearing 🙄
What reason would there have been for the police to not have asked them to describe what he was wearing? 🙄
This is important, as until now, Sandra's claim has been seen as supporting evidence that Luke was wearing his green bomber jacket, by three independent witnesses,
This is yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s innocence fraud nonsense -
“three independent witnesses” did describe the killer as wearing his green bomber jacket -
David High, David Tullock and the other lad with David Tulloch
at this moment and implying other sightings, around the same time and of Luke wearing different clothing are factually challenged.
Who by?
Sandra Lean also states:
"A more credible explanation, based on all of the available evidence, is that there was no parka, German army shirt or fishing clothes belonging to Luke on June 30th and that he was wearing the bomber jacket the whole day and evening, up to the point that Jodi’s body was found".
There would have been witnesses who gave evidence of what the killer was wearing to school that day
Andrina Bryson didn’t suggest killer Luke Mitchell was dressed to go fishing, her description was what she perceived his parka reminded her of
There was, however, an army surplus, German army shirt, which Luke owned, as of 30 June.
Sandra Lean was a regular contributor to the same 2010 thread on the 'International Skeptics' forum, in which Luke's mother, Corinne Mitchell verified:
Scammers Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were also regular contributors to the WAP forum.
Corinne Mitchell was subsequently banned from the WAP forum by un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton, because her statements were exposing her and her killer sons guilt even more
Note: All of scammer Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell’s statements from the WAP forum have since been deleted from the World Wide Web
28 June, 2010
"Luke did have a german army shirt which the police took. He got another one for his birthday....and the police took that too and as they were never produced as "evidence" in court they didn't find anything on them".
Are you beginning to recognise how scammers Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean aren’t on the same page so to speak?
So he could have had two or more of these army shirts before he committed his murder
What clothing items did Matthew Muraska list that the killer wore to army cadets?
The killer also had a Marilyn Manson calendar for his birthday (found ripped up in a bin), which appears to have been seized by police on the 4th July - his birthday wasn’t until the end of July
Did killer Luke Mitchell and his mother also buy a replacement green army shirt from FLIP on the 8th July as well as the parka?
Incidentally, I was wondering what Sandra Lean had remarked concerning the fact that Luke had met up with friends, David High and David Tulloch, plus one other, circa 7 p.m. and they had smoked cannabis in the grounds of Newbattle College, eventually making their way to the 'Tarzan' swing, past Luke's house.
Sandra covers it, briefly:
"By seven o’clock, Jodi hadn’t turned up, so Luke called his mother and asked her to direct Jodi, if she turned up at the house, to the grounds of Newbattle Abbey, where he had arranged to meet some other
friends.
Killer Luke Mitchell initially invited David High to meet him at his home in Newbattle abbey crescent
At some time thereafter he contacted David High again and told David (High) he would instead meet him at the abbey
The 7pm time appears to have been when David Tullock and the other lad met up with David High
The estimated time when killer Luke Mitchell arrived at the abbey does not appear to have been reported on
What time did David High, David Tullock and the other lad estimate there was a heavy downpour of rain?
And at what time did Alan Turnbull calculate this heavy downpour occurred?
The timings of the heavy downpour of rain that evening is something the police would have established very early on during their investigation
At 10:38pm, while he was taking his dog...".
Sandra Lean omits the drug taking component entirely.
She omits a wealth -
Another relevant fact being that Corinne Mitchell’s evidence was that her killer son had taken her dog out for a walk at around 9:40pm
Nonetheless, there is nothing seemingly untoward in Luke doing so, if he presumed Jodi was not turning up, for whatever reason.
🙄 There is everything “seemingly untoward” in killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour after telephoning the Jones’ home phone
When he eventually met up with David High he told him Jodi Jones “couldn’t come out”
Why would he say this?
It’s a massive red flag!
“The witness told the court that on the evening of 30 June last year, the day when Jodi was killed, he met up with Mr Mitchell at Newbattle Abbey College. But he noticed Mr Mitchell was by himself. He told the court: "I asked him where Jodi was because it was unusual for them not to be together. "He said that she wasn't coming out." The court heard that when questioned by police after the murder, Mr High had given a slightly different version of that, stating that Mr Mitchell had said Jodi "couldn't" come out.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4066537.stm
This (when he got to the abbey) was more than likely the first time the killer had had a chance for his drug taking since the lunchtime
He had been busy attempting to put an alibi in place, changing his clothes and washing his face and hands etc
Indeed, if guilty of having just killed Jodi, it would be a 'cold hearted murder', personified.
Sadistic, psychopath Luke Mitchell did kill Jodi Jones and it was indeed “a cold hearted murder”
It perhaps gives pause for related thought and something therein, I will come back to.
As an adoptee, how do you think Corinne Mitchell’s mental health impacted on her and in turn her two sons over the years?
And what have you been able to establish regarding Corinne Mitchell’s self medicating via drink and drugs?
Sandra Lean always gave the impression Corinne Mitchell was a heavy drinker
By the way, Corinne Mitchell attempted to project her undesirable character traits onto David High and referred to him as a “notorious liar”
Wasn’t David High’s evidence that he saw killer Luke Mitchell with the Lethal Jack Pyke skunting knife when he was with him on the evening of the 30th June 2003?
Will be interesting to see if Donald Findlay asked David High about the killer’s Swiss Army knife (label 58)
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Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole Yes, Ronnie, it is. and THEN, they're going to parade me through the streets on a cart, so people can throw things at me. And THEN, they're going to tie me to a stake, pile all the remaining copies of the book around me and burn the whole lot. And THEN, they're going to take the remains and dunk them three times in the village pond, just to make absolutely sure. And THEN they're going to illegally give away free PDF copies of the book, to teach people why they should never, EVER stand up for what's right. Or, alternatively
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Scammer Sandra Lean - Illegally stating “profits” from her 2nd innocence fraud book are being “donated” to a charity that does not exist
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Scammer Sandra Lean - Illegally stating “profits” from her 2nd innocence fraud book are being “donated” to a charity that does not exist
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It's not a charity but the money is being spent in Morrisons/Co-op every day from 10am onwards.
This is who are supporting LM. Mums.net, a few goths and ex-cons.
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Is using a bogus PhD and illegally pretending to be a “criminologist” to illegally and improperly exploit and abuse all those people who do not have a full grasp of how sadistic murderers and psychopaths like killer Luke Mitchell (and some of their their deceptive enablers) “work” and tick/behave standing up for what’s right Sandra Lean?
Scammer Sandra Lean - Illegally stating “profits” from her 2nd innocence fraud book are being “donated” to a charity that does not exist
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Set up “innocents betrayed ltd”
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and didn’t declare a penny
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Struck off like the WAP charity
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Scammer Sandra Lean - Illegally stating “profits” from her 2nd innocence fraud book are being “donated” to a charity that does not exist
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It's not a charity
Scammer Sandra Lean - 14th April 2021 (via YouTube)
“I’ll pay the tax on all of the donations to Long Road, that come through innocents betrayed but, wha, it’ll take several weeks to get Long Road To Justice set up, which is the charitable organisation which we hope will be able to look at other cases….
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…the money is being spent in Morrisons/Co-op every day from 10am onwards.
Scammer Sandra Lean also stated on 14th April 2021
”the erm accounts for innocents betrayed will be looked at, will be kept by someone else. So that there completely transparent
So where are these transparent accounts?
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Scammer Sandra Lean also stated on 14th April 2021
”the erm accounts for innocents betrayed will be looked at, will be kept by someone else. So that there completely transparent
So where are these transparent accounts?
"Hidden" "Undisclosed" - Isn't that how it goes?
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Scammer Sandra Lean - 14th April 2021 (via YouTube)
“I’ll pay the tax on all of the donations to Long Road, that come through innocents betrayed but, wha, it’ll take several weeks to get Long Road To Justice set up, which is the charitable organisation which we hope will be able to look at other cases….
"Hidden" "Undisclosed" - Isn't that how it goes?
How much tax has scammer Sandra Lean paid on each and every innocence fraud book she has sold?
Page 378
“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.
www.longroadtojustice.com ~ scammer Sandra Lean
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/13/killer-luke-mitchell-free-book-betraying-the-innocent-using-psychological-manipulation-intentional-bare-faced-lies-disinformation-misinformation-by-innocence-fraud-phenomenon-grifter-sandra/
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If perhaps of related interest and for information only (no replies will be read here):
1. NEW TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS NOW AVAILABLE
As of just now...
2. The deleted texts between Luke and Jodi - what did they say?
3. PILLARS OF EVIDENCE WHICH CONVICTED LUKE MITCHELL
The trial transcripts prove otherwise.
4. SIMPLIFIED TIMELINE
5. THE DEFINITIVE MAP
Created in 2010, with input from Corinne Mitchell.
The above and ongoing research discussions (moderated, so adult and cordial, no matter whatever viewpoint):
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*UPDATED* TIMELINE of Sadistic Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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*UPDATED* TIMELINE of Sadistic Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
What a mess!
Corinne Mitchell stated her killer son Luke Mitchell took her dog Mia out for a walk at 9:40pm- and she appeared insistent with this time
But killer Luke Mitchell claimed he took Mia out an hour later, at around 10:43pm, although he had also claimed he received Judith Jones’ first text message when he was in his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me.(10:43pm)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
(starting from page 3 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html)
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It seems the police asked killer Luke Mitchell what he and Jodi Jones had eaten for lunch on the 30th June 2003
David High bought killer Luke Mitchell a bottle of coke and according to the killer Jodi Jones had some of his Coca Cola and this appears to be the last thing Jodi Jones had consumed
Killer Luke Mitchell: I gave Jodi a drink of my coke
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Corinne Mitchell stated her killer son Luke Mitchell took her dog Mia out for a walk at 9:40pm- and she appeared insistent with this time
But killer Luke Mitchell claimed he took Mia out an hour or so later, at around just gone 10:43pm, although he had also claimed he received Judith Jones’ first text message when he was in his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’ Her mum (inaudible).
I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me (10:43pm and 12 seconds)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
Killer Luke Mitchell first telephoned Judith Jones’ mobile phone at 10:43pm and 12 seconds
He claimed to Dc Alan Towers he took Mia the dog out for a walk after this phone call
It was this call in which Judith Jones hung up the phone
Also going by the killer’s account given to Dc Alan Towers (on 1st July 2003 at Dalkeith police station) he would have deleted his phones history before taking Mia the dog out (calls deleted at 10:35pm)
Judith Jones next telephoned killer Luke Mitchell at 10:49pm
So this was the time killer Luke Mitchell claimed he then went back home
The next call from Judith Jones to killer Luke Mitchell was at 11:01pm
These timings suggest killer Luke Mitchell didn’t leave his home in Newbattle abbey crescent until approximately around gone 11:00pm
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Killer Luke Mitchell first telephoned Judith Jones’ mobile phone at 10:43pm and 12 seconds
He claimed to Dc Alan Towers he took Mia the dog out for a walk after this phone call
It was this call in which Judith Jones hung up the phone
Also going by the killer’s account given to Dc Alan Towers (on 1st July 2003 at Dalkeith police station) he would have deleted his phones history before taking Mia the dog out (calls deleted at 10:35pm)
Judith Jones next telephoned killer Luke Mitchell at 10:49pm
So this was the time killer Luke Mitchell claimed he then went back home
The next call from Judith Jones to killer Luke Mitchell was at 11:01pm
These timings suggest killer Luke Mitchell didn’t leave his home in Newbattle abbey crescent until approximately around gone 11:00pm
Corinne Mitchell knows she didn’t send her killer son Luke Mitchell out to take her dog Mia for a walk at gone 10:43pm
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What a mess!
Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home. (page 40 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-evidence-17122004-day.html)
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me. (10:43pm)
David High left the abbey at around 8:05pm because his curfew was at 8:30pm
Killer Luke Mitchell told Dc Alan Towers that David Tulloch had “chummed” him part way home
Corinne Mitchell claimed her killer son got home at around 9:00pm
Corinne Mitchell:
It was quite early, it was about 9ish
I said to him I was surprised he was early and I said seen as you are early you can take the dog out
Shortly after 9 I think
Yes but it was still quite early, it was still not long after 9, so it is still quite early
(Source: pages 2279, 2280, 2283 & 2286 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
Corinne Mitchell also claimed her killer son took her dog Mia out for a walk at around 9:40pm
Corinne Mitchell:
I asked him to take the dog out, he might hear something by then
…well take the dog out for a walk and you might have heard something
No it was before 10, it must have been about 20 to 10 when he’s taken her out
No they took… he got the text message from Jodi while he was out with the dog, because he came back very shortly after he went out
They could have got a telephone call I’m not sure
I can’t remember if its a phone call or a text he got when he was out, it was one of the two
As far as I can recall, I thought he got the text message when he was out and that’s why he came back earlier
(Source: pages 2284, 2285, 2287, 2288 & 2289 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
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David High left the abbey at around 8:05pm because his curfew was at 8:30pm
Killer Luke Mitchell told Dc Alan Towers that David Tulloch had “chummed” him part way home
Corinne Mitchell claimed her killer son got home at around 9:00pm
Corinne Mitchell:
It was quite early, it was about 9ish
I said to him I was surprised he was early and I said seen as you are early you can take the dog out
Shortly after 9 I think
Yes but it was still quite early, it was still not long after 9, so it is still quite early
(Source: pages 2279, 2280, 2283 & 2286 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
Corinne Mitchell also claimed her killer son took her dog Mia out for a walk at around 9:40pm
Corinne Mitchell:
I asked him to take the dog out, he might hear something by then
…well take the dog out for a walk and you might have heard something
No it was before 10, it must have been about 20 to 10 when he’s taken her out
No they took… he got the text message from Jodi while he was out with the dog, because he came back very shortly after he went out
They could have got a telephone call I’m not sure
I can’t remember if its a phone call or a text he got when he was out, it was one of the two
As far as I can recall, I thought he got the text message when he was out and that’s why he came back earlier
(Source: pages 2284, 2285, 2287, 2288 & 2289 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
10:35pm: “I’m sure I erased my previous calls because incase I accidentally made an outgoing call from my phone” ~ killer Luke Mitchell
Corrine Mitchell knew then and knows now that her killer son Luke Mitchell was lying about Judith Jones’ text and his 10:43pm telephone call
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10:49pm: Judith Jones telephoned killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile from her landline and stated “I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know” He said “I haven't seen her”
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10:35pm: “I’m sure I erased my previous calls because incase I accidentally made an outgoing call from my phone” ~ killer Luke Mitchell
Corrine Mitchell knew then and knows now that her killer son Luke Mitchell was lying about Judith Jones’ text and his 10:43pm telephone call
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10:49pm: Judith Jones telephoned killer Luke Mitchell’s mobile from her landline and stated “I just want the truth. If she is with you, I don't care. I just want to know” He said “I haven't seen her”
Was it Corinne Mitchell who told her killer son to phone Judith Jones at 10:43pm and 12 seconds?
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What a mess!
Corinne Mitchell stated her killer son Luke Mitchell took her dog Mia out for a walk at 9:40pm- and she appeared insistent with this time
But killer Luke Mitchell claimed he took Mia out an hour later, at around 10:43pm, although he had also claimed he received Judith Jones’ first text message when he was in his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me. (10:43pm)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
(starting from page 3 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html)
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Why didn’t Shane Mitchell mention anything about seeing or hearing his killer brother when he came home from Gary Coyle’s house just before 10pm amd why didn’t Shane mention anything about giving his brother a torch?
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What a mess!
Corinne Mitchell stated her killer son Luke Mitchell took her dog Mia out for a walk at 9:40pm- and she appeared insistent with this time
But killer Luke Mitchell claimed he took Mia out an hour later, at around 10:43pm, although he had also claimed he received Judith Jones’ first text message when he was in his bedroom
Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me. (10:43pm)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
(starting from page 3 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html)
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If Judith Jones first sent killer Luke Mitchell a text at 10:41pm why did he tell Dc Alan Towers he took Mia the dog out for a walk after this text message and his 10:43pm phone call to Judith Jones?
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If Judith Jones first sent killer Luke Mitchell a text at 10:41pm why did he tell Dc Alan Towers he took Mia the dog out for a walk after this text message and his 10:43pm phone call to Judith Jones?
How many mothers send their almost 15 year old children to take their dog for a walk at quarter to eleven at night?
Killer Luke Mitchell claimed he phoned Judith Jones and 10:43pm then took Mia out for a walk after this phone call
TIMELINE
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/
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Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me.(10:43pm)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
(starting from page 3 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html)
Corinne Mitchell knew her son Luke Mitchell had murdered Jodi Jones!
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Corinne Mitchell:
It was quite early, it was about 9ish
I said to him I was surprised he was early and I said seen as you are early you can take the dog out
Shortly after 9 I think
Yes but it was still quite early, it was still not long after 9, so it is still quite early
(Source: pages 2279, 2280, 2283 & 2286 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
Corinne Mitchell also claimed her killer son took her dog Mia out for a walk at around 9:40pm
Corinne Mitchell:
I asked him to take the dog out, he might hear something by then
…well take the dog out for a walk and you might have heard something
No it was before 10, it must have been about 20 to 10 when he’s taken her out
No they took… he got the text message from Jodi while he was out with the dog, because he came back very shortly after he went out
They could have got a telephone call I’m not sure
I can’t remember if its a phone call or a text he got when he was out, it was one of the two
As far as I can recall, I thought he got the text message when he was out and that’s why he came back earlier
(Source: pages 2284, 2285, 2287, 2288 & 2289 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
Corinne Mitchell knew her killer son received Judith Jones text message when he was at home!
She also knew she didn’t send him out to take her dog Mia for a walk at 10:45pm after he had phoned Judith Jones at 10:43pm
Nicholas Frankland saw killer Luke Mitchell at around just gone 10:00pm , this could have been the time the killer was walking back to his home with Mia the dog, after first taking her out at around 9:40pm
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Corinne Mitchell:
I asked him to take the dog out, he might hear something by then
…well take the dog out for a walk and you might have heard something
No it was before 10, it must have been about 20 to 10 when he’s taken her out
No they took… he got the text message from Jodi while he was out with the dog, because he came back very shortly after he went out
They could have got a telephone call I’m not sure
I can’t remember if its a phone call or a text he got when he was out, it was one of the two
As far as I can recall, I thought he got the text message when he was out and that’s why he came back earlier
(Source: pages 2284, 2285, 2287, 2288 & 2289 of Corinne Mitchell’s Testimony here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/corinne-mitchell-transcript-12012005.html)
Killer Luke Mitchell told police on 1st July 2003 he was apparently in his bedroom when he received Judith Jones’ text message
He then phoned Judith Jones at 10:43pm
This is the time the killer was suggesting to the police his mother had told him to take her dog Mia out for a walk
“When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum” ~ killer Luke Mitchell
Judith Jones’ 1st call to the killer was at 10:49pm her 2nd call was at 11:01pm (based on available evidence to date)
“I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes” ~ killer Luke Mitchell
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It seems the police asked killer Luke Mitchell what he and Jodi Jones had eaten for lunch on the 30th June 2003
David High bought killer Luke Mitchell a bottle of coke and according to the killer Jodi Jones had some of his Coca Cola and this appears to be the last thing Jodi Jones had consumed
Killer Luke Mitchell: I gave Jodi a drink of my coke
Scammer Sandra Lean made claim it wasn’t known what the brown liquid was
Sandra Lean - Facebook - 2nd November 2023
Since Sunday's live, a lot of you have been talking about "remembering" and "forgetting". It occured to me that the passage of time CAN'T be blamed for many of the "forgettings" - for example:
Suzy Hall
Question - at autopsy was there food in Jodi's stomach 🤔
Sandra Lean
Suzy Hall No, the substance found in Jodi's stomach was described as a "small amount of brown liquid"! We have no idea, to this day, what that might have been
Who is the “we” you were referring to Sandra Lean?
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Scammer Sandra Lean to James English (May 2019)
“The reason I put the book out is if I were forced to give up so if anything happened to me I don’t think there’s anybody else in Scotland got the level of knowledge of the case that I’ve got and the idea was put everything in there and then if anybody else wants to come along and take over the informations there
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Killer Luke Mitchell:
I went home and my mum was in and I think Shane was in as well
I went to my room to listen to music and watch a video
After I’d phoned David earlier I phoned my mum to ask her if Jodi had been to the house yet
She said no
I asked her to give me a call if Jodi came to the house (Source: page 40 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-evidence-17122004-day.html)
Where’s the evidence that killer Luke Mitchell phoned his mother Corinne Mitchell after he phoned David High?
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Killer Luke Mitchell:
I got home at about twenty five to ten. David High phoned me part of the way home.
When I was in my room about twenty past, half past ten and got a text message from her mums phone saying ‘Right, Jodi, you’re in big trouble for being late’
Her mum (inaudible). I phoned Jodi’s mum right back and told her Jodi wasn’t with me.(10:43pm)
Her mum sounded shocked and I said ‘Where is she’
As far as she knew, she was on her way to see me.
Her mum said she would phone her Gran and her sister to check up. She hung up.
I took Mia my Alsatian dog out for a walk round the field.
When I was out I got another call from Jodi’s mum. She was crying and saying that Jodi hasn’t been seen since she left the house about six o’clock
She said that she was going to phone the police and report her missing.
I went back to the house - I’d only been out ten minutes
When I got in, I told my mum what was happening and that Jodi was missing.
She said that I better go out and look for her.
I took a torch with me and took Mia
(starting from page 3 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html)
Scammer Sandra Lean - excerpt from page 138 of her 2nd innocence fraud book
10:40pm: When Luke called Judith and told her he hadn’t seen Jodi all evening, the call lasted just over two minutes (ending at 10:42:40)
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Donald Findlay: Well exactly. Because how often have you met the boy before?
Dc Alan Towers: Probably once on a one-to-one basis
Source: page 36 of testimony https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html
Why and when was killer Luke Mitchell previously spoken to by CID?
Was this previous meeting on a “one-to-one basis” with Dc Alan Towers related to his previous knife attacks on young girls?
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What time did Corinne Mitchell phone Shane Mitchell to ask him to bring his killer brother a change of clothes?
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Why was Corinne Mitchell put up for adoption and what did she tell her killer son Luke Mitchell and his older brother Shane Mitchell about this?
And how did Corinne Mitchell’s adoption impact on her two sons?
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Alan Turnbull: Let’s just pause there then a moment. Just by way of introduction, he’s explained where he stays, where he goes to school, and he’s given you an account of who his friends are
Dc Alan Towers: Yes that’s correct sir
Alan Turnbull: The first one there who’s mentioned is David High, there was also David Inkster, ***** and *****
Dc Alan Towers: Yes
Didn’t killer Luke Mitchell claim David Insker was his cousin?
How were the Insker’s related to Ruby Guetta and/or Philip Mitchell and/or Corinne Mitchell?
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Didn’t killer Luke Mitchell claim David Insker was his cousin?
How were the Insker’s related to Ruby Guetta and/or Philip Mitchell and/or Corinne Mitchell?
Dc Alan Towers: ….. Soon after we started going out we both decided that we would sleep together. We would occasionally have sex together. It would normally happen in my house, but my mum didn’t know.
We also had sex once in my cousins flat just up the road from my grans
Source: page 15 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html
“A friend’s stepmother, Anne-Marie Inkster, 34, said she was “horrified” when she came home one evening to find Mitchell and Jodi in her bed smoking dope.
https://www.religionnewsblog.com/10013/the-warped-mind-of-a-killer-drugs-and-satanism
Did killer Luke Mitchell also lie to police about it being his “cousins flat”?
How was/is Anne-Marie Inkster related to David Inkster?
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Dc Alan Towers: ….. Soon after we started going out we both decided that we would sleep together. We would occasionally have sex together. It would normally happen in my house, but my mum didn’t know.
We also had sex once in my cousins flat just up the road from my grans
Source: page 15 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html
“A friend’s stepmother, Anne-Marie Inkster, 34, said she was “horrified” when she came home one evening to find Mitchell and Jodi in her bed smoking dope.
https://www.religionnewsblog.com/10013/the-warped-mind-of-a-killer-drugs-and-satanism
Did killer Luke Mitchell also lie to police about it being his “cousins flat”?
How was/is Anne-Marie Inkster related to David Inkster?
Did Anne-Marie Inkster give evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
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Did Anne-Marie Inkster give evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial?
Scots teen banned from entire district - 12th August 2009
A TEENAGE thug who lay siege to Scots community has become the first to be banned from an entire county.
Shameless Gavin Inkster, 19, now faces arrest if he steps foot inside the district of Midlothian after being given the boot by officials.
The tearaway has been accused of a catalogue of offences including car theft, assault, drug taking and vandalism.
Originally from Dalkeith, Midlothian, but now living in Edinburgh, he has continued to visit family in the area to the alarm of locals.
Now police have moved to take action against him to “protect the community” after Inkster “terrorised” residents in the Woodburn area of his hometown over 18-months.
The Asbo was granted against Inkster after Edinburgh Sheriff Court heard that his charges included theft, road traffic offences, assault, breach of the peace, housebreaking, vehicle theft and the misuse of drugs.
Midlothian Council officials also presented evidence gathered from terrified residents during the hearing.
But now Inkster, a motocross enthusiast, is also mocking police on his Bebo site and bragging about his time spent in prison.
Photographs posted on his site include a section marked ‘The Jail’ which has images of a detention cell with ‘My Home’ underneath.
Inspector John McGill said: “This is the first time someone has been banned from the whole of Midlothian. There are others barred from areas, but he is a well-known face and it was ided to take this action to protect the community.
“His family come from the Woodburn area of Dalkeith and that is why he was coming into Midlothian, to see friends and family. He is one of a few notorious troublemakers there.
“Others have been banned from Woodburn, or certain parts of it, or are under curfew.
“These orders work similarly to bail conditions and if he is seen coming into Midlothian he will be arrested.”
Inkster’s Asbo order will run for the next three years.
Inspector Bob Innes, who works with Midlothian Council as community safety manager, admitted Inkster was one of the worst repeat offenders in the area.
He said: “We presented evidence dating back to March 2008 which contained a number of charges. He was living outside Midlothian, so we decided seeking a ban from the county was the best option here.”
A spokeswoman for Midlothian Council said the case proved the council will get tough on [ censored word]ocial offenders.
She said: “The council will continue to utilise aspects of the [ censored word]ocial behaviour act to ensure the safety of its residents.”
Step mum Anne-Marie Inkster admitted the family were glad to see the back of the troublesome youngster.
She said: “We heard he’s been handed an Asbo by the courts, and, to be perfectly frank, it’s all his own fault. He keeps getting into trouble with the police and we are sick and tired of making excuses for him.
“Some of the offences he has committed have been trivial, but some have been very serious.
“We’ve washed our hands of him now and life is a bit quieter around here without him.
“He lost his job with the refuse company a couple of months ago because he was always taking time off to appear in court.
“Me and his dad haven’t heard anything from him for a while and the last we heard he had moved in with his mum in Musselburgh.”
https://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/scots-teen-banned-from-entire-district/
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Dc Alan Towers: ….. Soon after we started going out we both decided that we would sleep together. We would occasionally have sex together. It would normally happen in my house, but my mum didn’t know.
We also had sex once in my cousins flat just up the road from my grans
Source: page 15 here https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/12/dc-alan-towers-20122004-day-two-of-two.html
Was killer Luke Mitchell referring to sex offender Gavin Inkster?
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https://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/scots-teen-banned-from-entire-district/
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Musselburgh man Gavin Inkster spent festive period in jail after assaulting man on his Christmas work night out
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https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/15165059.musselburgh-man-gavin-inkster-spent-festive-period-in-jail-after-assaulting-man-on-his-christmas-work-night-out/
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Edinburgh thug branded 'Scotland's worst teen' jailed after caught with knife
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-thug-branded-scotlands-worst-22699855
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Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and scammer Sandra Lean both knew the procedures regarding the destruction of productions
ICE SEE THE TRUTH
@THETruthsFREE
https://youtu.be/45jnGMJie-0?si=oxw6XKTwo1-0cbHd… Forbes says at 53 mins after Murder in a small town someone was told about the evidence being destroyed, my guess SL Why did it take a year for anyone to do anything about it? I think it was a plan to catch them red handed that failed. Shambles in her name
youtube.com
Episode 11 - Scott Forbes
"Decoding the Luke Mitchell Case: Insights from Legal Expert Scott ForbesEmbark on a compelling exploration of the Luke Mitchell case with seasoned legal exp...
7:45 PM · Dec 28, 2023
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
How many of the productions could have been saved if the 'somebody' who had been informed, had acted sooner?
youtube.com
Luke Mitchell - why so long to act on the destruction of productions?
11:58 PM · Dec 28, 2023
https://twitter.com/AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]/status/1740522676727509023
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ICE SEE THE TRUTH
@THETruthsFREE
What they have is someone who was paid to take him back to jail, someone who enjoyed her wages and freedom while locking up an innocent child and an ex that could not even wait for his first appeal before bolting and came out the woodwork after the Doc. And Sandra the narcissist
12:04 AM · Dec 29, 2023
https://twitter.com/THETruthsFREE/status/1740524222852563086
The ex is Freddie Gren
Presumably the person “who enjoyed her wages and freedom” was a prison or security person
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ICE SEE THE TRUTH
@THETruthsFREE
What they have is someone who was paid to take him back to jail, someone who enjoyed her wages and freedom while locking up an innocent child and an ex that could not even wait for his first appeal before bolting and came out the woodwork after the Doc. And Sandra the narcissist
12:04 AM · Dec 29, 2023
https://twitter.com/THETruthsFREE/status/1740524222852563086
There are photographs of several females involved in taking sadistic killer Luke Mitchell back to jail following a court appearance for an appeal
In one of the photographs the killer is handcuffed to one women who worked for Reliance custodian services
There’s another photograph of another women standing in the door of the prison van and another woman walking behind the killer
All 3 woman are wearing Reliance custodian services security uniforms
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Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell and scammer Sandra Lean both knew the procedures regarding the destruction of productions
https://youtu.be/KSLM2jxngXc?si=yfhFdMTCk2FF__4l
ICE SEE THE TRUTH
@THETruthsFREE
So it was only when the police women contacted SF because SL was ignoring her. This loss of evidence is not just the police's fault, Sandra had full autonomy to let the evidence get destroyed. To much faith in a charlatan looking to keep LM in so she can retire £££
7:49 PM · Dec 28, 2023
https://twitter.com/THETruthsFREE/status/1740460095191073020
Why would a serving police officer contact robber and violent con Scott Forbes or scammer Sandra Lean ? 🙄
The case was and is closed!
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Any word from Lean since the transcripts have been posted?
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If perhaps of related interest and for information only (no replies will be read here):
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https://twitter.com/James_C_Easton/status/1740994212592517431
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LUKE MITCHELL TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
- Jodi Jones grounding/curfew solved?
- NEW David High transcripts - the facts of meeting up with Luke, later that night. Did Luke say 'Jodi won't be coming out'? What was Luke wearing?
This and ongoing other transcripts insights:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share
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LUKE MITCHELL TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
- Jodi Jones grounding/curfew solved?
- NEW David High transcripts - the facts of meeting up with Luke, later that night. Did Luke say 'Jodi won't be coming out'? What was Luke wearing?
This and ongoing other transcripts insights:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share (https://m.facebook.com/groups/594743596079701/?ref=share)
Read and Digest!...
It's pointless putting links to Facebook here for those who aren't members of it and have no intention of being so!
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THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
If perhaps unaware, the now available trial transcripts, so far, are accessible here (click on 'MORE...'):
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/?m=
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THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS
If perhaps unaware, the now available trial transcripts, so far, are accessible here (click on 'MORE...'):
https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/?m= (https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/?m=)
That's better!... Thank you.
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Interesting that it wasn't Luke's best friend David High that said he was a lot cleaner looking that evening in Newbattle Abbey. That obviously leaves David Tulloch and the other (as yet unnamed) guy. We're led to believe, as per DH's testimony, that DT & the other guy were more friends of friends in terms of their relationship to LM. My hunch tells me that it was probably DT who said LM was a lot cleaner (although a friend of a friend to LM, my understanding is that he knew LM quite well), so I Iook forward to his testimony being uploaded. Btw, why has the other guy never been named? Was it to do with his age?
Also, why weren't two of the pushbike boys' testimonies transcribed (i e., the testimonies of Dean Houston and Grant Elliot)? That seems quite negligent of the courts -- were there no typists/stenographers available that day? It would have been very interesting to read their description of the clothing LM was wearing. Andrew Holburn described the olive green top with german badge on sleeves sold in Flip and said, crucially, that there was NO ONE else on that stretch of road as they cycled down the length of it from the shop and past LM at just before 1800; of course it was LM, but it would still be nice to read the other pushbike boys' testimonies. Also interesting is the fact that Dean Houston, according to an old Sunday Mail article from Dec '04, said he thought LM was on the phone when they cycled past him just before 1800. The phone records of LM produced in court showed clearly that LM never phoned anyone between 1741 - 1831, so why was he on the phone? Did he pretend to be on the phone to avoid talking to the pushbike boys (who he knew personally) lest they blew his cover? I think so.
Any thoughts?
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That's better!... Thank you.
I'm not on FB either so thank you.
James, can you advise what's still to come?
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according to an old Sunday Mail article from Dec '04, said he thought LM was on the phone when they cycled past him just before 1800. The phone records of LM produced in court showed clearly that LM never phoned anyone between 1741 - 1831, so why was he on the phone? Did he pretend to be on the phone to avoid talking to the pushbike boys (who he knew personally) lest they blew his cover? I think so.
Any thoughts?
I agree this a likely scenario. I've done it myself but obviously not murdered anyone before it.
Still no word from Lean? Perhaps the twice cancelled 60th fundraiser and the release of the court transcripts that contradict her version has been too much. I do know that if they did agree with her version, she would be all over social media crowing about it with a stupid grin. Forbes claims not to have read the transcripts so not sure where he got the information for his book.
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I agree this a likely scenario. I've done it myself but obviously not murdered anyone before it.
Still no word from Lean? Perhaps the twice cancelled 60th fundraiser and the release of the court transcripts that contradict her version has been too much. I do know that if they did agree with her version, she would be all over social media crowing about it with a stupid grin. Forbes claims not to have read the transcripts so not sure where he got the information for his book.
Yeah ... I have done it, too. Probably more times than I care to admit. But, as we know, LM did it for much more sinister reasons
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It was also interesting that DH thought LM had owned a dull green army parka with German badges on the sleeves since the spring/summer of 2002.
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It was also interesting that DH thought LM had owned a dull green army parka with German badges on the sleeves since the spring/summer of 2002.
P.222 IB "I didn't have a German army shirt at that time ---" "I only bought the German army shirt on the Wednesday a week after it happened--" Oh dear. So two items of clothing seen that day '30th' and two items replaced same day?
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If you are aware of some of the history of this case you will know that there were and still are “weak DNA” profiles that “fitted” with Andrew Malkinson’s dna
Violent Rapist, Parasitic Predator & Convicted Fraudster Andrew Malkinson & How 10 Members Of The Jury Appear To Have Concluded His VICTIM Was “Mistaken” About Neck & Face Scratch (Part 40)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/08/26/violent-rapist-parasitic-predator-convicted-fraudster-andrew-malkinson-how-10-members-of-the-jury-appear-to-have-concluded-his-victim-was-mistaken-about-neck-face/
The entire appeal and public relations spin campaign is a scam and it goes to show how corrupt and incompetent the crown prosecution service who were involved with this case are.
It also demonstrates how people like Alex Chalk and Victoria Prentis are not fit for the purpose of the roles they currently hold within government!
The July 2023 appeal hearing and the subsequent judgement are almost as bad as they were in cases like embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra, who, along with her husband Davinder, were quite clearly on the rob at their West Byfleet post office!
Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Why Didn’t “Muddled Thinking” Lawyer Warwick Tatford Address The Evidence Of The Misappropriation Of Lottery Monies When Referring To The ARQ Data & Indictment Relating To Seema Misra (Part 21)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/20/fatally-flawed-biased-post-office-horizon-it-inquiry-why-didnt-muddled-thinking-lawyer-warwick-tatford-address-the-evidence-of-the-misappropriation-of-lottery-monies/
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Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Why Didn’t “Muddled Thinking” Lawyer Warwick Tatford Address The Evidence Of The Misappropriation Of Lottery Monies When Referring To The ARQ Data & Indictment Relating To Seema Misra (Part 21)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/20/fatally-flawed-biased-post-office-horizon-it-inquiry-why-didnt-muddled-thinking-lawyer-warwick-tatford-address-the-evidence-of-the-misappropriation-of-lottery-monies/
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Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Grave Concerns Regarding Expert Witness Duncan Atkinson & His 18th December 2023 Misleading, Unreasonable & Inadequate Report On Embezzler Seema Misra & How It Does Not Consider The Innocence Fraud Phenomenon (Part 19) ~ DROPPING SOON
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Day 2 of Sadistic Murderer Luke Mitchell’s Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Trial Testimony
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
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“They’ve just left”??
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https://youtu.be/240cQxin_K0?si=QqRYGyRxxTMweS5u
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Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Grave Concerns Regarding Expert Witness Duncan Atkinson & His 18th December 2023 Misleading, Unreasonable, Inadequate & ‘Smoke & Mirrors’ Report On Embezzler Seema Misra & How It Does Not Consider The Very Real Innocence Fraud Phenomenon (Part 19)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/22/post-office-horizon-it-inquiry-grave-concerns-regarding-expert-witness-duncan-atkinson-his-18th-december-2023-misleading-unreasonable-inadequate-smoke-mirrors-re/
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Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Grave Concerns Regarding Expert Witness Duncan Atkinson & His 18th December 2023 Misleading, Unreasonable, Inadequate & ‘Smoke & Mirrors’ Report On Embezzler Seema Misra & How It Does Not Consider The Very Real Innocence Fraud Phenomenon (Part 19)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/22/post-office-horizon-it-inquiry-grave-concerns-regarding-expert-witness-duncan-atkinson-his-18th-december-2023-misleading-unreasonable-inadequate-smoke-mirrors-re/
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Dc Alan Towers told the jury he had met sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell prior to 30th June/1st July 2003.
Why haven’t details of the killers previous offences ever been disclosed to the public?
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Day 2 of Sadistic Murderer Luke Mitchell’s Mother Corinne Mitchell’s Trial Testimony
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
Does anyone know what month/year Corinne Mitchell reported her killer son Luke Mitchell’s drug taking to the school?
Which school was it?
Who did she speak to?
Were social services involved?
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Dc Alan Towers told the jury he had met sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell prior to 30th June/1st July 2003.
Why haven’t details of the killers previous offences ever been disclosed to the public?
Were these offences related to his drug use or knife offences or both?
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Does anyone know what month/year Corinne Mitchell reported her killer son Luke Mitchell’s drug taking to the school?
Which school was it?
Who did she speak to?
Were social services involved?
Did this come out during the teachers evidence at trial?
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”Transcribed” is coming soon
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https://youtu.be/_vFGRUdMchw?si=AUYJ1otvVMVLKvNP
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Fatally Flawed & Biased Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry: Grave Concerns Regarding Expert Witness Duncan Atkinson & His 18th December 2023 Misleading, Unreasonable, Inadequate & ‘Smoke & Mirrors’ Report On Embezzler Seema Misra & How It Does Not Consider The Very Real Innocence Fraud Phenomenon (Part 19)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/22/post-office-horizon-it-inquiry-grave-concerns-regarding-expert-witness-duncan-atkinson-his-18th-december-2023-misleading-unreasonable-inadequate-smoke-mirrors-re/
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FURTHER UPDATES
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I started reading part 2 of the transcript of CM's testimony a couple of days ago after my dinner, but had to log off to attend to some more pressing business. It's just as painful to read as part 1 ... I only got to the part where they are discussing, in conjunction with a taped police interview with CM & LM on 04.07.03 at DPS, why LM never phoned the Jones' household back after being told by AO that Jodi had already left to specifically meet him, and their lies and ridiculous reasoning (CM & LM's) are off the charts; it's painfully obvious they were lying and that LM is as guilty as sin. Another thing of note when AT uses the aforementioned police interview during his questioning of CM in court, is that she reverts to the cop out answer, "I don't know", when the going gets tough and is caught out. You can just imagine her squirming in the stand.
I will read the rest of part 2 of CM's transcript when time allows (Sunday evening maybe). I don't really need to, as I had him as guilty after only a few months of research back in 2021 (after the airing of the C5 doco) -- without a single, solitary transcript. Btw, just to highlight how entrenched LM's Army is in its colletive denial, some of them are saying (perhaps predictably) that the transcripts aren't the real transcripts and that they may have been doctored/redacted/edited, and so on. That's what you're up against! Sheesh.
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I started reading part 2 of the transcript of CM's testimony a couple of days ago after my dinner, but had to log off to attend to some more pressing business. It's just as painful to read as part 1 ... I only got to the part where they are discussing, in conjunction with a taped police interview with CM & LM on 04.07.03 at DPS, why LM never phoned the Jones' household back after being told by AO that Jodi had already left to specifically meet him, and their lies and ridiculous reasoning (CM & LM's) are off the charts; it's painfully obvious they were lying and that LM is as guilty as sin. Another thing of note when AT uses the aforementioned police interview during his questioning of CM in court, is that she reverts to the cop out answer, "I don't know", when the going gets tough and is caught out. You can just imagine her squirming in the stand.
It seems clear too that Corinne Mitchell had no friends or family around her who cared enough to help her come to terms with what her youngest son had done
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I will read the rest of part 2 of CM's transcript when time allows (Sunday evening maybe). I don't really need to, as I had him as guilty after only a few months of research back in 2021 (after the airing of the C5 doco) -- without a single, solitary transcript. Btw, just to highlight how entrenched LM's Army is in its colletive denial, some of them are saying (perhaps predictably) that the transcripts aren't the real transcripts and that they may have been doctored/redacted/edited, and so on. That's what you're up against! Sheesh.
The transcripts are enlightening to show how far the Mitchells lied to protect him. CM has LM skinning his knees on the tarzan swing over the weekend while his police statement says he was nowhere near them. LM told police Jodi must have been kept in for being cheeky but stated on the Sky TV interview he thought she must have changed her plans that night and gone to visit friends while CM nodded next to him.
LM phoned home at 18.39 to ask if Jodi had been at the door or phoned. Why would he do this if he was waiting at the end of the road for her to meet - and why would she phone his house when he had a mobile phone with him?
So many lies which AT exposed and DF could not overturn.
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The transcripts are enlightening to show how far the Mitchells lied to protect him. CM has LM skinning his knees on the tarzan swing
The same Tarzan swing scammer Sandra Lean omits to mention in her 2nd innocence fraud book and the same Tarzan swing the other lads will have said killer Luke Mitchell didn’t graze his shins on that evening
Did he even use it ?
Corinne Mitchell knew what her son had done
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The same Tarzan swing scammer Sandra Lean omits to mention in her 2nd innocence fraud book and the same Tarzan swing the other lads will have said killer Luke Mitchell didn’t graze his shins on that evening
Did he even use it ?
Corinne Mitchell knew what her son had done
I wonder, if a graze/slight injury is treated quickly would it show as possibly older? It was a good 12hrs later he was assessed by doctor. Telling doctor he had hurt it over the weekend? Applied as 'at least 24hrs old' I don't know, but certainly the AD was showing it had not happened on any Tarzan swing over the weekend?
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I wonder, if a graze/slight injury is treated quickly would it show as possibly older? It was a good 12hrs later he was assessed by doctor. Telling doctor he had hurt it over the weekend? Applied as 'at least 24hrs old' I don't know, but certainly the AD was showing it had not happened on any Tarzan swing over the weekend?
Will be interesting to see what Dr Kranti said to Alan Cauldwell
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Innocence Fraud
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HORIZON CRIME PAYS TIMELINE: The True Story Of Fraudsters Seema & Davinder Misra & Their West Byfleet Shop & Post Office (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Innocence Fraud
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HORIZON CRIME PAYS TIMELINE: The True Story Of Fraudsters Seema & Davinder Misra & Their West Byfleet Shop & Post Office (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Fraudster Nick Wallis referred to Davinder Misra and his drinking addiction. Was Seema Misra’s husband also addicted to gambling?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Fraudster Nick Wallis referred to Davinder Misra and his drinking addiction. Was Seema Misra’s husband also addicted to gambling?
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Fraudster Nick Wallis on thief and embezzler Seema Misra
‘Seema had no idea what was going on, but she didn’t see how she could have made £23,000 worth of mistakes, so she disputed the transaction corrections.
What was going on was Seema wasn’t taking the cash out of her and her husbands shops till, and transferring this cash over to the post office
This £24k misappropriation of post office money was not down to any computer system
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Read the remainder of part 2 of CM's court transcript late last night. Really hard work. In a catalogue of lies, the nadir of CM's testimony had to be her performance during the tattoo parlour evidence; that was actually cringeworthy and no doubt very damaging indeed to the defence. It seemed that Alan Turnbull was getting really frustrated with CM's obvious lies, omissions and her evasiveness during that part of her testimony. He did a great job of exposing her lies, not least by asking the same questions on crucial matters many times over, methodically, slowly, systematically and deliberately, ensuring the jury understood what was going on. It was vital/critical that he did this.
The "Tarzy Swing/ Shin Abrasions" evidence was interesting. I agree with AT that it would be something you'd expect Luke to tell the police about when they interviewed him, especially as he and Corinne had mentioned it in an earlier interview with them. (I suspect LM & CM were lying about laughing about how injury prone LM was regardless of wether he was or not; it was inserted by CM as it was believable, but it was likely a lie and another facet of her cunning and deceitful nature.) However, I'm not so sure Luke would've been able to make an injury possibly sustained 8 or 9 hours earlier look like an injury sustained 48 hours earlier (unless, of course, he got lucky; Jodi may only have made minimal contact with his shins due to him being much stronger than her and her being caught off guard and already incapacitated by a sudden forceful unexpected attack, and plus LM was protected by thick jeans and Jodi was onlg wearing light canvas trainers).
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CThe "Tarzy Swing/ Shin Abrasions" evidence was interesting. I agree with AT that it would be something you'd expect Luke to tell the police about when they interviewed him, especially as he and Corinne had mentioned it in an earlier interview with them. (I suspect LM & CM were lying about laughing about how injury prone LM was regardless of wether he was or not; it was inserted by CM as it was believable, but it was likely a lie and another facet of her cunning and deceitful nature.)
Corinne Mitchell most definitely has a cunning and deceitful nature Mr Apples and her sons, in particular the youngest one, wasn’t any different
There is no doubt she knew what killer Luke Mitchell had done!
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The "Tarzy Swing/ Shin Abrasions" evidence was interesting. I agree with AT that it would be something you'd expect Luke to tell the police about when they interviewed him, especially as he and Corinne had mentioned it in an earlier interview with them. (I suspect LM & CM were lying about laughing about how injury prone LM was regardless of wether he was or not; it was inserted by CM as it was believable, but it was likely a lie and another facet of her cunning and deceitful nature.) However, I'm not so sure Luke would've been able to make an injury possibly sustained 8 or 9 hours earlier look like an injury sustained 48 hours earlier (unless, of course, he got lucky; Jodi may only have made minimal contact with his shins due to him being much stronger than her and her being caught off guard and already incapacitated by a sudden forceful unexpected attack, and plus LM was protected by thick jeans and Jodi was onlg wearing light canvas trainers).
The fact that Corinne Mitchell lied about when killer Luke Mitchell used the Tarzan swing what telling!
The Dr could have been wrong in her estimations as to how old his injuries looked. She wasn’t a skin specialist
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler & fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema is fuzzy on exactly when she started agreeing monthly Horizon balances which bore no relation to the amount of cash she had behind the counter. She remembers the big jump in discrepancies which came about after introducing individual stock units made it impossible to keep making good with the Misras’ own cash.
By February 2006 Seema had no staff left! Shakia, Javed & Nadia had left!
Therefore there was no need for “individual stock units” after this time!
Only a single stock unit/one counter was required - for Seema
Plus her evidence at trial (referring to this time period) was “I was struggling with one counter, then I like because I was struggling trying to find where more money was going”
“One counter” ie; an individual stick unit, not multiples!
Seema Misra’s evidence was that in February 2006 she was using the “one counter”
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler & fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema is fuzzy on exactly when she started agreeing monthly Horizon balances which bore no relation to the amount of cash she had behind the counter. She remembers the big jump in discrepancies which came about after introducing individual stock units made it impossible to keep making good with the Misras’ own cash.
By February 2006 Seema had no staff left! Shakia, Javed & Nadia had left!
Therefore there was no need for “individual stock units” after this time!
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Further excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief and fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema had already been told that any discrepancy larger than £500 would cost her her job”
Seema Misra alleged that the auditor who had carried out the October 2005 audit, just over 3 months after she had been running the branch, told her she would lose her post office if she had a loss of £500
If she had been told this by anyone, why didn’t she lose the post office following the October 2006 transaction corrections, a year later, which found a hole of £23,374.50?
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Why did Nick Wallis choose to omit Seema’s allegation about the Oct’ 2005 auditor?
And why did it morph from Seema being suspended, to losing the post office and then to losing her job?
Seema Misra told Elaine Ridge, before she was formally suspended (on 12th March 2008) if “she was to be found to be short by £500 she would be suspended”.
Seema made no mention of the auditor having allegedly told her this in Oct’ 2005
“I knew I would get suspended if short of £500“ is what she said in March 2005
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler & fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema is fuzzy on exactly when she started agreeing monthly Horizon balances which bore no relation to the amount of cash she had behind the counter. She remembers the big jump in discrepancies which came about after introducing individual stock units made it impossible to keep making good with the Misras’ own cash.
By February 2006 Seema had no staff left! Shakia, Javed & Nadia had left!
Therefore there was no need for “individual stock units” after this time!
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Further excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“By April 2006, Seema’s losses had reached five figures”
Why?
And if true, why didn’t she alert the post office to this?
Shakia, Javed and Nadia had left in February 2006
What happened between February 2006 to April 2006?
When did sister-in-law Omika Kalia start her business?
Why did she transfer £10,000 to Seema’s bank account on 6th April 2006?
Why did husband and bully Davinder Misra report former employee Nadia to Surrey police for allegedly being “an illegal immigrant”?
On 12th April 2006 former employee Javed Badiwalia (brother-in-law of Nadia) reported Davinder Misra to the police for harassment
Javed had worked in the West Byfleet shop before the Misra’s bought it but had left within 8 months
On 13th April 2006 Javed made a sworn police witness statement
The suspect on the report was Kumar Davinder Misra
Javed’s statement had set out that “Mr Misra had started spreading rumours around the community, telling others that Javed had stolen £2,000 from the till and was not paying it back”
Seema Misra’s evidence from this point was “Well, I basically stopped doing a proper, proper check like counting and entering it as of mid 2006. All I was doing to get this natural figure, checking the amount it should have been there and that is it entering it and “I didn’t do any balancing as of mid 2006. I didn’t do a proper balancing”
Yet by August 2006 Seema Misra was in the local paper alongside her bully of a husband Davinder and post office area manager Tamiko Springer showing off her post office “gold award”
”Seema is jewel in crown at post office by Surrey news” https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/seema-jewel-crown-post-office-4838554
Nick Wallis claimed in his book “For the Misras, the latter half of 2006 was a spiral of misery. Seema had lost interest in the amount of money she was supposed to owe her counter and, ….., just agreed whatever figure Horizon presented at the end of each monthly accounting period”
Wouldn’t the alleged “misery” have begun in February 2006 when Seema Misra was left with no staff?
What was Omika Kalia’s £10,000 really for and why did Omika only transfer £10,000 via Seema’s bank? (This is the figure taken from Seema’s bank statement)
Why did Nick Wallis state the “latter half of 2006” when it was the latter two thirds of 2006!
In 2006 the Misra’s were failing to transfer the post office’s lottery and scratch card monies over to the post office
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Further excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“The calls to the helpline eased up”
Not only was there no evidence of a call having been made, from the West Byfleet post office branch, by Michael the trainer during Seema Misra’s second week of trading in July 2005
The only calls made to the helpline, out of the total 101 calls made between 30th June 2005 to 14th January 2008, were in February 2006
These calls were made over a period of 3-4 days from 20th February to 24th February 2005
At 10:42am on Monday 20th February 2006 the helpline received a call in which it was stated “the postmaster states that showing £6,000 down from balance”
On Thursday 24th February another call recorded “The postmaster was getting discrepancies. They have been investigated and the postmaster has been advised that the NBSC will take a second look at this as the office stock units appear to be in a mess”
Why did that £6,000 figure from 20th February 2006 jump to Nick Wallis’s “five figures” by April 2006?
What were Seema and Davinder Misra really doing with the post office’s money after Shakia, Javed and Nadia left in February 2006 to April 2006?
Nick Wallis stated in his book;
“Seema had been having problems since day one – 18 months of money apparently disappearing, requests for more training, sacking staff, numerous calls to the helpline”
There is zero evidence of Seema Misra having “problems since day one”, this was concocted!
Seema Misra’s evidence was that she had trained Nadia Badiwalia to work in the post office.
How could she have trained Nadia if she didn’t know what she was doing?
There were never “numerous calls to the helpline”!
A series of call towards the end of February 2006, at around a time Seema Misra appears to have been running the post office on her own
NOTE: Seema Misra made no calls to either the police or the post office relating to any alleged staff thefts, that is until Seema was “caught red handed” on 14th January 2008
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler & fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema is fuzzy on exactly when she started agreeing monthly Horizon balances which bore no relation to the amount of cash she had behind the counter. She remembers the big jump in discrepancies which came about after introducing individual stock units made it impossible to keep making good with the Misras’ own cash.
By February 2006 Seema had no staff left! Shakia, Javed & Nadia had left!
Therefore there was no need for “individual stock units” after this time!
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Innocence fraudster Nick Wallis also stated in his book (as a footnote);
“In Seema’s case, the independent investigators tasked with looking at what happened concluded the losses were probably down to a combination of systemic problems, mistakes being made by the Misras and employee theft of activated scratchcards.
The “independent investigators” call themselves Second Sight
Innocence fraudsters Ian Henderson and Ron Warmington make up Second Sight
Thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra falsely accused Shakia Suksener, Nadia Badiwalia and his sister-in-law Nadia Badiwalia of stealing £89-90k from the post office!?
She told the jury she caught the pretend thieves “red handed”
During Seema’s Misra’s taped interview, whilst under caution, she stated;
“Lottery money was being taken from shop but never entered on horizon. Even on the shop side was low as well, so we got rid of them”
Before her trial began in October 2010, Seema Misra dropped her false allegations of theft against Shakia Suksener
Warwick Tatford addressed this in the absence of the jury stating “..detailed defence statement that was served “on the 21st January 2010 “..there are references to the thieves that Mrs Misra thought she had found. Paragraph (c) says in fact that she was satisfied that Shakia Suksener was not accountable, not a theft, which does not tie in with the earlier letter where her identity is set out as a thief..”
The three court of appeal judges quoted innocence fraudsters Second Sight in their April 2021 judgement, stating at para 92 (https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Hamilton-Others-v-Post-Office-judgment-230421.pdf);
“Seema Misra had been appointed an SPM in 2005. We note that in a report prepared by Second Sight in April 2015 (in connection with the possibility of mediation), the appellant is recorded as saying:
she was surprised to find that discrepancies occurred on each day of her onsite training, particularly as the trainer had watched every transaction she carried out that week. She adds that in the second week, an unexplained shortfall of approximately £200 occurred whilst balancing, and that the trainer rang the Helpline for assistance.
The above was concocted!
Seema Misra’s evidence at trial was of a “£150” figure and an alleged “£400 shortfall” figure, she said nothing about Second Sights’ “£200” figure! This was and is a fabrication
The only time Seema used the words “200” during her trial, was in relation to reminding the jury how much she had paid for the West Byfleet costcutters shop and post office
More importantly, Seema Misra also stated during her trial re: trainer Michael “Then I remember him staying behind and he made a phone call from office, I don’t know where” he had phoned in the “office”
There was zero evidence of any call having been made to the helpline during the early part of July 2005 by trainer Michael or anyone else
By February 2022, during the post office IT inquiry, Seema Misra’s “£150” figure given by her during her trial, had dropped to “around 80 something, under 100 short”
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler & fraudster Seema Misra
“Seema is fuzzy on exactly when she started agreeing monthly Horizon balances which bore no relation to the amount of cash she had behind the counter. She remembers the big jump in discrepancies which came about after introducing individual stock units made it impossible to keep making good with the Misras’ own cash.
By February 2006 Seema had no staff left! Shakia, Javed & Nadia had left!
Therefore there was no need for “individual stock units” after this time!
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Seema Misra made a hand written statement on the day the audit found the almost £75k shortfall (14th January 2008)
She had included the name “Sarah” in this written statement
It stated “We have around £2,000 short in the stock unit due to staff theft. It was more than what we have now. We did put some money in this stock unit to make it good. This is what we left, over (or owed - see trial transcript) £2,000 which we need to put this money is taken out by Sarah”
Sarah’s name was dropped by Seema by the time she made her defence statements pre trial.
However she did attempt to confuse and dupe the jury during her trial by mentioning Sarah’s name during her evidence
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During her trial, Warwick Tatford asked thief and fraudster Seema Misra how much money her family ie; Omika Kalia, were “going to bring along” to repay the post office for her thefts
Seema told the jury she didn’t get the chance to speak to her sister-in-law Omika Kalia
“I didn’t get chance to speak to them because I have to call back, come back to office”
Omika Kalia’s evidence also dropped her sister-in-law Seema right in it
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Look at how easily innocence fraudster Nick Wallis lied in his book about thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“On the morning of 14 January 2008 at 8.30am two Post Office auditors, Adrian Norris and Keith Noverre, walked into the West Byfleet Post Office.
It was Keith Noverre who had allegedly told Seema during her first audit on 5 October 2005 that if she ‘lost’ as much as £500 in future, she would be removed from her post. ~ excerpts by Nick Wallis
Adrian Morris arrived at the post office at around 2:10pm - he was not with Keith Noverre!
Seema told the jury during her trial that she did not recall Keith Noverre from the October 2005 audit
Warwick Tatford: Do you remember you saw Keith Noverre give evidence. Was he there?
Seema Misra: He was not –it would have been he was not the main one
Warwick Tatford established, after checking Seema Misra’s March 2008 interview with Elaine Ridge, following which she was formally suspended, that what Seema Misra had actually alleged was “I knew I would get suspended if short of £500”.
There was no mention of any auditor!
When Keith Noverre arrived at the post office at 8:30am, he had to wait for Ali Raza to open up, bully Davinder Misra followed not long after.
Keith Noverre discovered as soon as he walked into the office that a £1240 cash deposit had been made by a local business, two days earlier, but Seema Misra had failed to enter this cash transaction onto the Horizon computer system and had not bothered to put the cash in the post office safe.
During her trial Seema confessed to having done this “many times” before
The stock unit, which is a drawer “made up of cash and stock”, also hadn’t been locked away in the safe, neither had three “date stamps”.
Keith Noverre told the jury the audit “didn’t get off to a good start” and said that if the stamps “got into the wrong hands somebody could do a lot of fraud”.
Seema Misra did not arrive at the post office until around 10:20am, she had allegedly been visiting sister-in-law Omika Kalia in Luton
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During her trial, Warwick Tatford asked thief and fraudster Seema Misra how much money her family ie; Omika Kalia, were “going to bring along” to repay the post office for her thefts
Seema told the jury she didn’t get the chance to speak to her sister-in-law Omika Kalia
“I didn’t get chance to speak to them because I have to call back, come back to office”
Omika Kalia’s evidence also dropped her sister-in-law right in it
More bare faced lies from Nick Wallis and his book
“On the morning of 14 January 2008 at 8.30am two Post Office auditors, Adrian Norris and Keith Noverre, walked into the West Byfleet Post Office. It was Keith Noverre who had allegedly told Seema during her first audit on 5 October 2005 that if she ‘lost’ as much as £500 in future, she would be removed from her post. Neither Seema nor Davinder were present. Seema was in Luton, borrowing yet more money from her sister-in-law, which she intended to put in a rem pouch and send to the Post Office.~ Nick Wallis
Seema Misra told the jury she did not get a chance to ask her sister-in-law Omika Kalia
The two rem pouches were empty - just pieces of paper in them
Seema Misra had been on holiday to India in November 2007
The audit could not go ahead without Seema Misra because she had failed to complete her 4 weekly trading period for the branch
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Another excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book on thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“The auditors were concerned about the state of the counter. Money, stamps and paperwork weren’t where they should be. Seema asked Keith Noverre if he would come into the back office. He did so. In private, Seema told Mr Noverre there was a problem
These weren’t postage stamps
They were “valuable” date stamps that were used to stamp driving licences
“If they got into the wrong hands somebody could do a lot of fraud, so buying about £100 but in terms of fraud thousands”~ Keith Noverre
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Look at how easily innocence fraudster Nick Wallis lied in his book about thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“On the morning of 14 January 2008 at 8.30am two Post Office auditors, Adrian Norris and Keith Noverre, walked into the West Byfleet Post Office.
It was Keith Noverre who had allegedly told Seema during her first audit on 5 October 2005 that if she ‘lost’ as much as £500 in future, she would be removed from her post. ~ excerpts by Nick Wallis
Adrian Morris arrived at the post office at around 2:10pm - he was not with Keith Noverre!
Adrian Morris was the lead investigator
“At 2pm that day Jon Longman, a Post Office security advisor, came to West Byfleet. Mr Longman’s job was to investigate any internal crime committed by employees against the Post Office. On his arrival at the branch Seema gave him permission to search the Misras’ nearby flat and investigate her bank accounts. Nothing untoward was found .~ Nick Wallis
There was!
Seema Misra had been on holiday to India just over a month before
And there was a bank transfer of £10,000 made by Omika Kalia into Seema’s account on 6th April 2006
Omika Kalia told the jury “I gave her 16,000 altogether once“ and “It was somewhere around May, April or May, May”
Omika also told the jury that Seema had “said there was –there is a loss in the post office and she wanted it for that” and “£16,000 was transferred in 2006”
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Another excerpt by innocence fraudster Nick Wallis;
“In April 2008 Seema received a letter from the Post Office informing her that her contract was going to be terminated. The NFSP rep told her that to avoid being sacked, she should resign, which she did.
This suggests fraudster Seema Misra may well have already been in contact with other sub-postmasters - as opposed to her unbelievable story of googling the night before her trial and finding the computer weekly article by Rebecca Thomson
“The day before her trial, a desperate Seema was searching on the internet. She felt unsupported by her legal team and still could not understand why she, as an innocent woman, was going to be put on trial for theft of money she had not stolen. One of her search queries seemed to return a lifeline. ‘I put in something like “Post Office court case help,” ’ she said, ‘and Jo came up!’ A local news website was carrying the story of Jo Hamilton’s conviction. Seema could not believe it. Here was someone who looked as if they had been going through the same sort of Horizon nightmares she had been suffering. Seema called Davinder in excitement. They decided to try to contact Jo. Even though the Post Office had long gone, Jo was still working behind the retail counter at South Warnborough Village Stores. South Warnborough Village Stores also just happened to be open on a Sunday, serving afternoon tea. Jo remembers taking Seema’s call. ~ Nick Wallis
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“Over the summer of 2009, Coomber Rich made an application to engage an independent expert who would find out whether or not the Horizon system had been the cause of the errors at the West Byfleet Post Office during Seema’s tenure. Legal aid was granted to pay for the expert’s time. The possibility of finding some kind of rationale to the Kafka-esque madness of the Misras’ situation swam tantalisingly into view. Now, at least, there was hope. ~ Nick Wallis
Have a read of “British American” Charles McLachlan’s evidence grift - from page 9
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https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2202/2137
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/of9BxunDV119XuUKMcsarkpvqR4/appointments
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Corinne Mitchell most definitely has a cunning and deceitful nature Mr Apples and her sons, in particular the youngest one, wasn’t any different
There is no doubt she knew what killer Luke Mitchell had done!
I agree with all of this.
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Corinne Mitchell most definitely has a cunning and deceitful nature Mr Apples and her sons, in particular the youngest one, wasn’t any different
There is no doubt she knew what killer Luke Mitchell had done!
I agree with all of this.
Corinne Mitchell knew on that evening, she knew when she spoke to the police, when she gave her evidence during the trial and she has known for all these years, that her youngest son murdered Jodi Jones
She simply doesn’t care - Corinne Mitchell is a malignant narcissist
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The fact that Corinne Mitchell lied about when killer Luke Mitchell used the Tarzan swing what telling!
The Dr could have been wrong in her estimations as to how old his injuries looked. She wasn’t a skin specialist
Do you think LM's shin abrasions got there as a result of Jodi kicking him there during a struggle with him in the Woodland strip just before she died? Or, do you think he got them as a result of brushing them, for example, against tree branches, tree stumps, or a rockface/brick wall during a struggle with Jodi in that woodland strip? I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on this, and, indeed, what all the other boardmembers think.
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“Over the summer of 2009, Coomber Rich made an application to engage an independent expert who would find out whether or not the Horizon system had been the cause of the errors at the West Byfleet Post Office during Seema’s tenure. Legal aid was granted to pay for the expert’s time. The possibility of finding some kind of rationale to the Kafka-esque madness of the Misras’ situation swam tantalisingly into view. Now, at least, there was hope. ~ Nick Wallis
Have a read of “British American” Charles McLachlan’s evidence grift - from page 9
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https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2202/2137
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/of9BxunDV119XuUKMcsarkpvqR4/appointments
Same innocence fraud tactics https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-68093364
“Mr Wallis said there are some "genuine horror stories out there" on what happened to "ordinary, lovely, law abiding, hard-working people", who just wanted to make a living but who were "steam rolled by the state"
The Misra’s are cunning and calculated criminals
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Do you think LM's shin abrasions got there as a result of Jodi kicking him there during a struggle with him in the Woodland strip just before she died? Or, do you think he got them as a result of brushing them, for example, against tree branches, tree stumps, or a rockface/brick wall during a struggle with Jodi in that woodland strip? I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on this, and, indeed, what all the other boardmembers think.
I think Jodi Jones was already rendered unconscious
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“Over the summer of 2009, Coomber Rich made an application to engage an independent expert who would find out whether or not the Horizon system had been the cause of the errors at the West Byfleet Post Office during Seema’s tenure. Legal aid was granted to pay for the expert’s time. The possibility of finding some kind of rationale to the Kafka-esque madness of the Misras’ situation swam tantalisingly into view. Now, at least, there was hope. ~ Nick Wallis
Have a read of “British American” Charles McLachlan’s evidence grift - from page 9
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https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2202/2137
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/of9BxunDV119XuUKMcsarkpvqR4/appointments
Who’s lying, Nick Wallis or Charles McLachlan?
“The expert appointed by Seema’s defence team was Professor Charles McLachlan. Professor McLachlan has worked with computers since the age of 17,~ Nick Wallis
“I have been involved with computers since I was 13 years old”~ Charles McLachlan
See page 9
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https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2202/2137
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I think Jodi Jones was already rendered unconscious
By strangulation? I think I read somewhere that it was suggested (wether from pathology reports, I don't know) that Jodi had been severely beaten up -- by kicks, punches and head hair pulled out their roots -- prior to the multiple stabbings inflicted on her and the post-death mutilations. Are you of the view that LM sustained the shin abrasions as he was kicking her? How do you think those abrasions got there??
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book,
“According to the transcript of her trial, Seema made another call to her area manager. She says she told her, ‘I can’t carry on doing this. I have bought the business to make money, not to lose money. I am losing money day in, day out in the Post Office. Please help me. I can’t take this on any more.’
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Nick Wallis has based the above on his own lies and Seema Misra’s lies
“Please help me. I can’t take this anymore” Is not what Seema told the jury!
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Tamiko Springer was the area manager who is photographed next to Seema and her bulky of a husband Davinder
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Yet by August 2006 Seema Misra was in the local paper alongside her bully of a husband Davinder and post office area manager Tamiko Springer showing off her post office “gold award”
”Seema is jewel in crown at post office by Surrey news” https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/seema-jewel-crown-post-office-4838554
August 2006
“THE village post office is a dying entity but in West Byfleet postmistress Seema Misra makes sure that her business runs smoothly.
Now her hard work has been recognised — on Thursday she was awarded with a Crown Your Colleague award at the post office in Station Approach.
She was one of 10 employees in the country who received a gold award from the Post Office.
She won a luxury weekend in Munich, Germany and also £500 of high street shopping vouchers plus a chocolate hamper to share with her colleagues.
She also has a framed certificate to commemorate her special day. Mrs Misra, 31, has been at the post office since July 2005 and staff have said business has been turned around since she joined.
Sales account manager Tamiko Springer, who presented Seema with her, said: “I nominated her myself. She came on board in July 2005 and she has been absolutely great. She knows how to appreciate customers and when she joined the post office, she made a massive difference. She has been quite exceptional, the customers don’t see half of it.
“We had lots of problems with people leaving but she has dealt with it. The team is now 10 times better, she has made the office tidy and organised everything.
Tamiko said Mrs Misra is a very pro-active member of staff and is very positive towards everyone she works with.
She saved one elderly pensioner from sending £15,000 off to a fraudulent recipient and has also been able to advise customers on ebay scams she is aware of.
Mrs Misra said: “I feel brilliant. People were very helpful. I am looking forward to my trip to Munich on September 16 and I will be taking my husband Davinder with me.
“We have all worked really hard and people have been very understanding when we have had staffing problems.“I will be spending some of the vouchers on some new furniture for the post office as I would like to reward some of my staff, too”.
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By strangulation? I think I read somewhere that it was suggested (wether from pathology reports, I don't know) that Jodi had been severely beaten up -- by kicks, punches and head hair pulled out their roots -- prior to the multiple stabbings inflicted on her and the post-death mutilations. Are you of the view that LM sustained the shin abrasions as he was kicking her? How do you think those abrasions got there??
A blow to the head
The abrasions to his shins were possibly caused by him brushing up against trees, or tree stumps or maybe even caused during his escape from his crime scene, climbing over a wooden gate maybe?
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Look at how easily innocence fraudster Nick Wallis lied in his book about thief, embezzler and fraudster Seema Misra
“On the morning of 14 January 2008 at 8.30am two Post Office auditors, Adrian Norris and Keith Noverre, walked into the West Byfleet Post Office.
It was Keith Noverre who had allegedly told Seema during her first audit on 5 October 2005 that if she ‘lost’ as much as £500 in future, she would be removed from her post. ~ excerpts by Nick Wallis
Adrian Morris arrived at the post office at around 2:10pm - he was not with Keith Noverre!
Seema told the jury during her trial that she did not recall Keith Noverre from the October 2005 audit
Warwick Tatford: Do you remember you saw Keith Noverre give evidence. Was he there?
Seema Misra: He was not –it would have been he was not the main one
Warwick Tatford established, after checking Seema Misra’s March 2008 interview with Elaine Ridge, following which she was formally suspended, that what Seema Misra had actually alleged was “I knew I would get suspended if short of £500”.
There was no mention of any auditor!
The smear campaign
“On 5 October 2005 Seema was visited by a Post Office auditor, Keith Noverre, who ran the rule over Seema’s accounts and concluded there was a £3,000 discrepancy at the West Byfleet branch. Noverre told Seema to either make good the £3,000 immediately or she would have the money taken out of her salary. The auditor allegedly then told Seema that if she went as much as £500 down in future, she would be sacked. A casual, but chilling reminder of the power the Post Office had over Seema’s livelihood and investment.~ Nick Wallis
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The October 2005 audit found a shortfall of £3,184.00
Seema Misra and her legal team inflated this figure to £5,000.00 in her defence statement
During trial Seema Misra told the jury “if she was to be found to be short by £500 she would be suspended“
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Same innocence fraud tactics https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-68093364
“Mr Wallis said there are some "genuine horror stories out there" on what happened to "ordinary, lovely, law abiding, hard-working people", who just wanted to make a living but who were "steam rolled by the state"
The Misra’s are cunning and calculated criminals
Innocence fraudster Nick Wallis on bully Davinder Misra "He was all over the place but there was something about what he said.
That may have been the alcohol
The Human Lie Detector Nick Wallis & The Lies, Deceptive Tactics, Double Binds, Gaslighting, Distortions & Propaganda (Part 8)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/12/hornswoggler-nick-wallis-his-great-post-office-scandal-part-8/
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Excerpt from innocence fraudster Nick Wallis’s book,
“According to the transcript of her trial, Seema made another call to her area manager. She says she told her, ‘I can’t carry on doing this. I have bought the business to make money, not to lose money. I am losing money day in, day out in the Post Office. Please help me. I can’t take this on any more.’
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Nick Wallis has based the above on his own lies and Seema Misra’s lies
“Please help me. I can’t take this anymore” ? Is not what Seema told the jury
See thief and fraudster Seema Misra’s testimony from around page 120 here https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2203/2138
Nowhere does Seema tell the jury what innocence fraudster Nick Wallis claimed she said in his book!
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See thief and fraudster Seema Misra’s testimony from around page 120 here https://journals.sas.ac.uk/deeslr/article/view/2203/2138
Nowhere does Seema tell the jury what innocence fraudster Nick Wallis claimed she said in his book!
Questions For Innocence Fraudster Nick Wallis Re: His Great Post Office Scandal Book On Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra & Her Husband Davinder’s 8th April 2006 Police Crime Report (Part 24)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/31/questions-for-innocence-fraudster-nick-wallis-re-his-great-post-office-scandal-book-on-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misra-husband-davinders-8th-april-2006-police-crime-report/
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Questions For Innocence Fraudster Nick Wallis Re: His Great Post Office Scandal Book On Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra & Her Husband Davinder’s 8th April 2006 Police Crime Report (Part 24)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/31/questions-for-innocence-fraudster-nick-wallis-re-his-great-post-office-scandal-book-on-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misra-husband-davinders-8th-april-2006-police-crime-report/
The Lies, Concoctions & False Allegations Of Enabler Nick Wallis In His Great Post Office Scandal Book Re: Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra, Investigator Mr Morris & The October 2005 Auditor (Part 25)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/31/the-lies-concoctions-of-enabler-nick-wallis-in-his-great-post-office-scandal-book-re-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misra-investigator-mr-morris-the-october-2005-auditor-part-25/
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The Lies, Concoctions & False Allegations Of Enabler Nick Wallis In His Great Post Office Scandal Book Re: Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra, Investigator Mr Morris & The October 2005 Auditor (Part 25)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/31/the-lies-concoctions-of-enabler-nick-wallis-in-his-great-post-office-scandal-book-re-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misra-investigator-mr-morris-the-october-2005-auditor-part-25/
Did I mention the fact that innocence fraudster Nick Wallis is the so called “expert” on the post office “scandal” propaganda
The Human Lie Detector Nick Wallis & The Lies, Deceptive Tactics, Double Binds, Gaslighting, Distortions & Propaganda
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/12/hornswoggler-nick-wallis-his-great-post-office-scandal-part-8/
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Did I mention the fact that innocence fraudster Nick Wallis is the so called “expert” on the post office “scandal” propaganda
The Human Lie Detector Nick Wallis & The Lies, Deceptive Tactics, Double Binds, Gaslighting, Distortions & Propaganda
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/12/hornswoggler-nick-wallis-his-great-post-office-scandal-part-8/
Innocence Fraud Enabler Nick Wallis & His Great Post Office Scandal Version Of Events Contradicts The Actual Evidence Of Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra‘s Version Of Events & Her Evidence At Trial
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/02/01/innocence-fraud-enabler-nick-wallis-his-version-of-events-contradicts-the-evidence-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misras-version-of-events-part-26/
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Same innocence fraud tactics https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-68093364
“Mr Wallis said there are some "genuine horror stories out there" on what happened to "ordinary, lovely, law abiding, hard-working people", who just wanted to make a living but who were "steam rolled by the state"
The Misra’s are cunning and calculated criminals
Where have we heard this before
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Same innocence fraud tactics https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-68093364
“Mr Wallis said there are some "genuine horror stories out there" on what happened to ”ordinary, lovely, law abiding, hard-working people", who just wanted to make a living but who were "steam rolled by the state"
The Misra’s are cunning and calculated criminals
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell had been in contact with Dc Alan Towers before he committed his murder
Does anyone know if this was related to his illegal drug activities or his previous knife threats on young girls?
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More Questions For Innocence Fraudster Nick Wallis & His Great Post Office Scandal & How It Does Not Address The Actual Facts Of The Case Against Thief, Embezzler & Fraudster Seema Misra - Including Her Horizon Helpline Calls (Part27)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/02/01/more-questions-for-innocence-fraudster-nick-wallis-his-great-post-office-scandal-how-it-does-not-address-the-actual-facts-of-the-case-against-thief-embezzler-fraudster-seema-misra/
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Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
SL was asked in the James English interview in 2019 When was the last time she spoke to Luke? She said 2014, the book was released in 2018.
3:29 AM · Feb 1, 2024
Scammer Sandra Lean did not need murderer Luke Mitchell to write her book, she would have had notes from the case files, if she didn’t copy them before she gave them back
Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
I am saying that when asked on James English she said she had not spoken to Luke since 2014, and according to SF SL and CM don't talk. I have nothing else i want to add to that. Make of it what you will! 😉
11:27 AM · Feb 1, 2024
During one part of Naomi Channel’s grifting innocence fraud series, lionising the guilty murderer, and promoting the con, scammer Sandra Lean could be heard speaking to the killer - so she was in contact with him during this time
Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
I still think there is a possibility that people have agendas around LM and that is what is being fed to him, he can't see the real world just the world that is being portrayed for him. SF said he and SL don't speak anymore after the whistle-blower was ignored.
He said SL and CM don't speak, so IMO that's a lot of not speaking and potentially people saying too much or nothing of value at all. I do hear what you are saying It's just that I have seen people in action first-hand so I have a different perspective, not saying that makes me correct, just enlightened.
6:32 AM · Feb 1, 2024
Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
SF speaks for himself he has not been in contact with LM for years nothing he is doing can be sanctioned if he has not spoken to him.
3:32 AM · Feb 1, 2024
Abusive fraudster Scott Forbes was in contact with Corinne Mitchell, who has access to everything - including her killer son
Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
One answer could be 'filtered information to the claimed innocent person' if they only know what they are told by certain people, if those people readily lie to us what's to stop them from lying to him? How do we know he approves of said behaviour? He did not write the books and was not involved in the process.
2:40 PM · Jan 31, 2024
No “filtered information”
Sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour will be as bad as, and even worse, than scammers Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes
You never saw him when his “mask slipped” or came off Sharon
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Innocence Fraud
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HORIZON CRIME PAYS TIMELINE: The True Story Of Fraudsters Seema & Davinder Misra & Their West Byfleet Shop & Post Office (Part 23)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/01/25/crime-pays-the-true-story-of-seema-davinder-misra-their-west-byfleet-shop-post-office-with-the-horizon-it-computer-system-part-23/
Further UPDATES including quotes from innocence fraudster & scammer Nick Wallis
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Further UPDATES including quotes from innocence fraudster & scammer Nick Wallis
Nicholas, could we have a separate thread for Post Office? It's hard to keep up with the Mitchell case in what is an interesting development with the transcripts.
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Sharon Sunshine now choosing the following..
Raymond Gilbert
@JusticeSetUp
Please watch as we've a troll who is going to sit through it and see if any lies are told to create trouble. There are no lies in it. Just brutal honesty, that some can't accept.
I will answer any questions, even then from the troll. See you all Sunday evening
1:59 PM · Feb 1, 2024
Shining a light on injustices
@Sharon_Indy
You stay true Ray! Looking forward Sunday. ⭐⭐⭐
2:33 PM · Feb 1, 2024
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Murderer Raymond Gilbert is referring to murderer Michael O’Brien
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Why Didn’t The Media Ever Report On The Fact Murderer Luke Mitchell Had Stated The “Dancers“ In The Video He Watched Were “Dressed As Elizabeth Short”?(Part 317)
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https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/02/07/why-didnt-the-media-ever-report-on-the-fact-murderer-luke-mitchell-had-stated-the-dancers-in-the-dvd-he-bought-2-days-after-he-committed-his-murder-were-dressed-a/
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Do Not Trust Mis ”Leading Criminologists” Like David Wilson When It Comes To Murderers Like Sadist Luke Mitchell (318)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/02/08/do-not-trust-mis-leading-criminologists-like-david-wilson-when-it-comes-to-murderers-like-luke-mitchell-318/
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Sandra Lean
@SandraLean5
There were no groups 5 years ago. The first groups started after MIAST, March 2021 (Doc went out end of Feb '21)
8:43 PM · Feb 3, 2024
https://twitter.com/SandraLean5/status/1753882028859130313
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There have been “groups” since you began posting on internet forums Sandra
You and Colin Bowman were a “group”, as were you, Corinne Mitchell and un-convicted baby killer Billy Middleton
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However, I'm not so sure Luke would've been able to make an injury possibly sustained 8 or 9 hours earlier look like an injury sustained 48 hours earlier (unless, of course, he got lucky; Jodi may only have made minimal contact with his shins due to him being much stronger than her and her being caught off guard and already incapacitated by a sudden forceful unexpected attack, and plus LM was protected by thick jeans and Jodi was onlg wearing light canvas trainers).
I don't think that it is possible for anyone to evade the laws of physiology.
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Sandra Lean
This case is an abomination of justice. Like so many others, no proper evidence, just lots of circumstances manipulated to support the police/prosecution narrative. Please, if you can, support Robin's fight for justice.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/28/postmaster-jailed-wifes-murder-says-horizon-scandal-can-clear-20179214/?ito=article.amp.share.top.facebook&fbclid=IwAR3lBSlNhqYjeQRyv6Fl00RxmvI06pgPrgdAG5ePEph0O84dqoBRmL9xghc
This case is an abomination of justice - please go check it out. Like so many others, there's no actual evidence, but an abundance of circumstances "made to fit" the police and prosecution narrative.
Again, though, 13 years this man has been shouting into the abyss. It should never have to take this long, especially not when there's so much
The "murder weapon" that wasn't there, then suddenly appeared and not a single, professional investigator can "explain" that? -Seriously, how stupid do they think we are?? And the sad answer to that question is, they think we're as thick as planks and that we'll swallow their narratives because they're the "professionals" and we're just the dumb idiots (or armchair warriors or whatever) who have no right to question them? Not any more
Jane Metcalfe
Sandra Lean thank you SO much for sharing Robin Garbutt`s story and for all the supportive comments...someone said `into the abyss` and that is exactly how if feels! Dr.Michael Naughton has published an open letter (on Empowering the Innocent,CCRC Watch website) I`ve written to the Attorney General Victoria Prentice and Alex Chalk, but they are SO far out of reach, none of this is of any consequence to them it seems...BUT we have to keep shouting about this and Luke et al and pray that following the Andy Malkinson case, people are beginning to open their eyes to just how corrupt all of this is...lots of love, Jane xx
Sandra Lean
Jane Metcalfe That was me, Jane - there are so few of us who understand that fighting this abomination is, for decades, shouting into the abyss. Until the echo begins to return, far off, almost out of hearing, initially. Keep going, my friend - that echo is getting louder and louder.
Jane Metcalfe
Sandra Lean Oh thank you my gorgeous friend...started with your book `No Smoke`, still read it, still talk about it xxx
Murderer Robin Garbutt
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Killer Luke Mitchell: An Example Of The Murderers Cultists Who Choose To Use The Victims Name Irreverently (Part 320)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2024/02/17/killer-luke-mitchell-an-example-of-the-cultists-who-choose-to-use-the-victims-name-irreverently-part-320/
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Who’s Colin?
Day 2 of Sgt Thomson’s testimony (p.67)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
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Who’s Colin?
Day 2 of Sgt Thomson’s testimony (p.67)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
(P.70)
And when was murderer Luke Mitchell “seen by people on the bike down at the park” ?
What park?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Murderers Missing Push Bike
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-the-killers-missing-bike-part-127/
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(P.70)
And when was murderer Luke Mitchell “seen by people on the bike down at the park” ?
What park?
Killer Luke Mitchell: Fantasy ‘Lawyer’ Scott ‘Beam Me Up Scottie!’ Forbes & The Murderers Missing Push Bike
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/19/killer-luke-mitchell-fantasy-lawyer-scott-beam-me-up-scottie-forbes-the-killers-missing-bike-part-127/
(p.70) or p.1601
Some context:
“Well, it is not at all lies and that is a ridiculous assertion to make because we know for example that he is with David High. We know for example that he is seen by people on the bike at the park…”
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(p.70) or p.1601
Some context:
“Well, it is not at all lies and that is a ridiculous assertion to make because we know for example that he is with David High. We know for example that he is seen by people on the bike at the park…”
Could Shane Mitchell have collected this bike on his way out at around 6:20pm?
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(p.70) or p.1601
Some context:
“Well, it is not at all lies and that is a ridiculous assertion to make because we know for example that he is with David High. We know for example that he is seen by people on the bike at the park…”
Sadistic Murderer Luke Mitchell & His Missing Push Bike
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https://youtu.be/TA-SZLGy7xk?si=OJFoCAcgr8l03nG5
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The nonsense about killer Luke Mitchell not being violent towards animals is just that - nonsense
The comments he made about horses (referred to by the police on 14th August 2003)
*&^^&
“Friends also remembered his aggressiveness and quick temper. At the riding stables where his mother kept a horse, it was his pony, Diesel, that felt the sharp end of his temper ~ the Herald.
Mention of another Kimberley..
The public don’t know the half of it regarding the content of his section 14 interview (14th August 2003)
Sgt Thomson testimony
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https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2024/02/sergeant-thomson-30122004-day-two-of.html
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Why Was Donald Findlay Keen To Keep So Much Of Killer Luke Mitchell’s Section 14 Interview From The Jury
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https://youtu.be/IqGLWvDvYKQ?si=JXpaJP6Vw4Rp4AIn
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Was killer Luke Mitchell’s semen found on the bra? (See testimony of Sgt Thomson)
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Was killer Luke Mitchell’s semen found on the bra? (See testimony of Sgt Thomson)
And was it blood on his hidden trousers ?
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https://youtu.be/LK4rfeH2oAA?si=HtQ_2ZGBCd5KHP90
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Is Robert Thomson from Kenmore the brother of Kimberly?
Did he give evidence during the trial and what else did he say about the Bowie knife?
Kimberley’s father https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12402657.resemblance-was-scary-it-was-uncanny-the-lookalike/
They are both called Robert - brother and father
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Who’s Colin?
Day 2 of Sgt Thomson’s testimony (p.67)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/11/24/copies-of-trial-transcripts-her-majestys-advocate-v-luke-muir-mitchell/
Didn’t Sgt George Thomson also give evidence on 24th December ?
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When was Corinne Mitchell attempting to suggest Shane was on his computer that night?
Shane came and went most of the evening, which I found quite irritating! I had stopped smoking, due to pressure from Shane, and had discovered that tracking and smoking don't go as it involves a lot of running, but by this time I was having the odd sneaky one due to pressure at work. This is our busiest time. Every time I went to "light up" Shane appeared and nearly caught me. Then just as I was safe in the knowledge that Shane was engrossed in his computer......Lit up fag.......Luke comes in.......I never got a sneaky cig that night. The rest is on the time~line. Hope this helps.[/i]
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg22813.html#msg22813
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When was Corinne Mitchell attempting to suggest Shane was on his computer that night?
Good question but as we see with the transcripts this is nothing like was Shane testified to?
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Good question but as we see with the transcripts this is nothing like was Shane testified to?
Corrine Mitchell
“After eating dinner I was preparing to do the dishes when Luke came into the kitchen and said that that was him off. I joked with him and said.....don't tell me ...your seeing Jodi....as by this time Jodi had become more favourable than the cadets. I also suggested to him that he introduced his clothes to the washing machine as he had worn them for a couple of days. I got the usual teenage response......Och mum!.....and "this is Jodi’s favourite t-shirt" I replied it wouldn't be much longer if it didn't get washed and with that I got another "Och".....I'm off, see you later!http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg22813.html#msg22813
What about “lookalike” Kimberly Thomson (who Corinne knew about) and the fact killer Luke Mitchell had left the cadets months earlier
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Was killer Luke Mitchell’s semen found on the bra? (See testimony of Sgt Thomson)
Corinne Mitchell stated on 6th May 2010
“Same semen was found on her bra”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s10.html
How could Corinne Mitchell “know” it was the “same semen”?
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Corinne Mitchell “…with regard to the sky interview.......it was never meant to happen!”
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-new-thread-t600-s10.html
*&^^&
Was the interview with Grace McLean also “never meant to happen”?
What The Public Didn’t Know About Killer Luke Mitchell & His Sky Interview
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https://youtu.be/JZ_AxtHV0lg?si=5Sd8BjnlvSBpX-Pt
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6th May 2010 - Corinne Mitchell “…as for "toying with the police"......Luke was 14years old.......I am not entirely sure a 14year old would have the guts....or sense to "toy with the police" and I can assure you he wasn't”
Why did your son tell the police you and Shane had a fire in your garden on 30th June 2003
Then tell James Matthew less than 3 weeks later, on the day of his victims funeral no less
“The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes”
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=67.msg459#msg459
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6th May 2010 - Corinne Mitchell “…as for "toying with the police"......Luke was 14years old.......I am not entirely sure a 14year old would have the guts....or sense to "toy with the police" and I can assure you he wasn't”
Why did your son tell the police you and Shane had a fire in your garden on 30th June 2003
Then tell James Matthew less than 3 weeks later, on the day of his victims funeral no less
“The burning clothes that wasn’t us. They just stated that a female relative of the suspect admitted to burning clothes”
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=67.msg459#msg459
Killer Luke Mitchell & His Enmeshed Mother Corinne
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https://youtu.be/SnUeUUskR9M?si=fsZ4mqszHorbX2_6
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Gary Flockhart On Killer Luke Mitchell
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https://youtu.be/ru-XnbNiJUU?si=UrQQPx5HY5FWoI7c
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*LIVE* Luke Mitchell’s Mother Takes The Stand
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https://www.youtube.com/live/0BLcWbP3kCw?si=jenMrRBRU4zc3K4K
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Charlatan & Fraudster Sandra Lean On Killer Luke Mitchell (Pt2/Exposed)
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https://youtu.be/7rhlQ_--Nmc?si=FmlM413zFi8xdRFr
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Killer Luke Mitchell, Sandra Lean & Anti-Social Lying
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https://youtu.be/_DgyIBDBAXA?si=fAwYWkXvnJbXcTRq
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Killer Luke Mitchell & His Previous Knife Attacks
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https://youtu.be/5Aj-2Z_Eo_4?si=gf3yw397lXHG_g5U
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Sharon Indy Sunshine
Yesterday at 22:41 (4th March 2024)
Luke Mitchell will reach his minimum punishment phase of his sentence April this year, but he refuses to admit murdering Jodi Jones. Ray Gilbert Raymond D Gilbert was given 15 years and refused to admit guilt after trial of the murder of John Suffield.
We have all heard repeatedly Luke will not do the courses to correct his 'offending behavior' so just like Ray he could also serve another 21 years, can you imagine being here in 2045 hearing Luke Mitchell has gotten out, I will be 70 by then.
Ray went through 12 parole hearings before they eventually put him forward for release, the same could totally happen to Luke Mitchell especially when the establishment is being antagonized.
Who else will still be standing up for Luke when the fairweather supporters vanish?
The decline in the last year is so sad to observe. I always knew how to keep it moving and growing in the luls you can't go quiet on the public and expect them to be sitting waiting when you want them again, social media does not work like that.
Sandra Lean said I did an incredible amount to push Luke's campaign forward and that no one can take that away from me. It is not mine to keep so of course it can't be taken I never did it for me.
Morag Richie
I will always stand with Luke, he needs each and everyone of us by his side.
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Morag Ritchie I will too! People need to grow up and put their ego's away and see what we are actually fighting for. It was the same in the Making a Murderer community, when groups went quiet people started fighting each other rather than the cause because they felt helpless and it came out as anger. It's a common reaction. I expected it yet tried to avoid it, it's nearly a year since I left my group, a thing people would put money on me never doing but it got too toxic and abusive so I left. Never had a fight just left. Once I signed the group over they blocked me. So much for pulling together.
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How the Post Office
Scandal SWINDLE Exposed a Broken Criminal Justice System by Margaret Malloch
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https://erasmusresearch.com/how-the-post-office-scandal-exposed-a-broken-criminal-justice-system/
The same Margaret Malloch named in scammer Sandra Lean’s fraudulent thesis
Listen to innocence fraud lawyer Warwick Tatford and his “inappropriate behaviour” https://youtu.be/MfWBTuIj15Y?si=GOiX3T99OYJcaJBa
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BREAKING NEWS: Sadistic Murderer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell Remains A Risk To Women & Girls
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https://youtu.be/ezZGEQ8thQE?si=JpSFlftD8KoIR6HY
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BREAKING NEWS: Sadistic Murderer & Sexual Deviant Luke Mitchell Remains A Risk To Women & Girls
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https://youtu.be/ezZGEQ8thQE?si=JpSFlftD8KoIR6HY
Your obsession with posting dozens of videos by Innocence Fraud is concerning. Those videos have got about 3 views and no likes but you keep posting them, despite the fact nobody reads them.
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Mark Connor Of Scottish Express Refers To Imaginary Legal Team Of Killer Luke Mitchell
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https://youtu.be/fq1XjXvsVaE?si=hjnoqnvEMKoFeb53
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Douglas Walker For Scottish Sun Features Gaslighting Of Killer Luke Mitchell Enabler Sandra Lean
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https://youtu.be/1uamq5fNPYY?si=orm0pVQXCG_vubJp
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Sharon Indy Sunshine - Facebook 16th April 2024
I pity Luke Mitchell now he has been horribly advised and his campaign team while waving banners makes them feel good they don't know how to keep people motivated and active enough to join them.
Sadly the decline in activity and loss of support for Luke by people in less than a year since I escaped the cult is tragic, it's so sad to see less members now than then.
What can I say? That is what happens when the people manipulate and push people out the people who know what they are doing, putting ego before the real goal never gets people anywhere.
How many will still be active in 3-5 years time? Who benefits from the situation now. Imo the publics lights will eventually go out on Luke again and he will be left to fight alone.
An innocent man fighting for his freedom in a sound proof society!
It didn't need to be that way!
Morag Ritchie
How can we up the pressure on this Sharon? We need to get him out now..any advice?
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Hi Morag Ritchie well I have never been the one who tried to get him out that was not my objective, while obviously that was the main goal for all of the supporters as a collective, I just made sure to keep the public support growing and that was by bringing in 30-40 new people a week.
I mean this without malice...
I think it's time for Sandra to stop pushing away all the other experts who have offered their input, which there have been so so many including my friend an x fbi expert he was going to get a new profile done and everything, he had successfully gotten another high profile person released and was on board for free, the public presure from another country like America would have meant it could no longer be Scotland's dirty little secret he is just one of MANY over the years.
This fight for samples while extremely important could go on indefinitely and unfortunately humans don't so what happens to Luke?
Protests are great but if they don't actually increase the number of supporters what are they doing? Raising money? Costing the supporters money? The group used to educate people on the facts and then those people could spend the word. Some of what we were spreading was false and that makes me so disappointed because you should never need to mislead to get an innocent person out. Luke says "The truth will set you free" in his logo... It's time for the truth no more games.
So I know my answer is not a magic wand sorry ...
But my opinion with less than a year until the parole in 2024 it was stupid to do the very thing they were told not to do and that is attack the Scottish prison service with the Sound of Silence videos, yes Luke got to air his issues but it was a rule breach in their eyes so what happened he got put back to Shotts and will most likely not get another parole for 3-5 years 😥
Greenock WAS hellish but he was not informed by SL that Shotts had a new governer and dept. governer. It could have changed his decision to rebel, I was the one who found out that info by chance when looking up the prison so sadly by that he was not back in the Shotts he knew but it was too late.
Now he sits and waits forever on progress that may NEVER happen as they are playing funny b....rs but so are his representatives. I can't be part of that, well-meaning trusting people are being damaged in the process.
xx
Neil Macaulay
Well said Boss 😀
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Neil Macaulay you still call me boss lol and I still cringe your know I always said I was not the boss we were all equal we just had different roles to do. It's so sad to see the decline Neil, but you know it must have been bad for me to leave what I built up for Jodi and Luke 😥 it broke my heart and always will.
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Sharon Indy Sunshine - Facebook 16th April 2024
I pity Luke Mitchell now he has been horribly advised and his campaign team while waving banners makes them feel good they don't know how to keep people motivated and active enough to join them.
Sadly the decline in activity and loss of support for Luke by people in less than a year since I escaped the cult is tragic, it's so sad to see less members now than then.
What can I say? That is what happens when the people manipulate and push people out the people who know what they are doing, putting ego before the real goal never gets people anywhere.
How many will still be active in 3-5 years time? Who benefits from the situation now. Imo the publics lights will eventually go out on Luke again and he will be left to fight alone.
An innocent man fighting for his freedom in a sound proof society!
It didn't need to be that way!
Morag Ritchie
How can we up the pressure on this Sharon? We need to get him out now..any advice?
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Hi Morag Ritchie well I have never been the one who tried to get him out that was not my objective, while obviously that was the main goal for all of the supporters as a collective, I just made sure to keep the public support growing and that was by bringing in 30-40 new people a week.
I mean this without malice...
I think it's time for Sandra to stop pushing away all the other experts who have offered their input, which there have been so so many including my friend an x fbi expert he was going to get a new profile done and everything, he had successfully gotten another high profile person released and was on board for free, the public presure from another country like America would have meant it could no longer be Scotland's dirty little secret he is just one of MANY over the years.
This fight for samples while extremely important could go on indefinitely and unfortunately humans don't so what happens to Luke?
Protests are great but if they don't actually increase the number of supporters what are they doing? Raising money? Costing the supporters money? The group used to educate people on the facts and then those people could spend the word. Some of what we were spreading was false and that makes me so disappointed because you should never need to mislead to get an innocent person out. Luke says "The truth will set you free" in his logo... It's time for the truth no more games.
So I know my answer is not a magic wand sorry ...
But my opinion with less than a year until the parole in 2024 it was stupid to do the very thing they were told not to do and that is attack the Scottish prison service with the Sound of Silence videos, yes Luke got to air his issues but it was a rule breach in their eyes so what happened he got put back to Shotts and will most likely not get another parole for 3-5 years 😥
Greenock WAS hellish but he was not informed by SL that Shotts had a new governer and dept. governer. It could have changed his decision to rebel, I was the one who found out that info by chance when looking up the prison so sadly by that he was not back in the Shotts he knew but it was too late.
Now he sits and waits forever on progress that may NEVER happen as they are playing funny b....rs but so are his representatives. I can't be part of that, well-meaning trusting people are being damaged in the process.
xx
Neil Macaulay
Well said Boss 😀
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Neil Macaulay you still call me boss lol and I still cringe your know I always said I was not the boss we were all equal we just had different roles to do. It's so sad to see the decline Neil, but you know it must have been bad for me to leave what I built up for Jodi and Luke 😥 it broke my heart and always will.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12482179/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-murder-parole-board/
She insisted: “Luke’s been incarcerated since he was 15 in all-male prisons.
“He’s never had a complaint against him. No female has ever made any allegation.
“So it can not be anything that’s happened in the 20 years he’s been in prison. There is no basis in fact or evidence.”
The Scottish prison service will no doubt be aware of the Sharon Indy Sunshine saga - ergo that’s one “complaint against him”
Sandra Lean - 12th June 2023
"Good morning - it's time to use the anger and upset from last night as fuel to demand action. Please use the template below to send to the SPS, the Inspectorate and your own MSP. Please don't change the wording - it's been drafted to minimise the chances of it being kicked back on some ridiculous excuse.
Also, please, please do not put Luke's name in the subject of any email, or the introduction of the letters - I'm not going to make a specific suggestion for what to use, but think along the lines of "Concerns about HMP Greenock" or "mistreatment of prisoners," or "prisons breaching prisoner's rights" etc - just try to keep it quite broad.
Please send both emails and physical letters, where you can. Remember to add in your own name and address (especially for emails to MSPs - they'll get knocked back if you don't).
In a week or so, we'll put out a reminder for everyone to follow up if they haven't had any response.
Let's make this the biggest push yet - Luke has never needed us more than he does right now.
Write to
(1) Theresa Medhurst CEO (2) Wendy Sinclair Gieben
Scottish Prison Service HM Inspectorate of Prisons Scotland
1 Lochside Avenue Sauchton House
Edinburgh Broomhouse Drive
EH12 9 JD Edinburgh EH11 3XD
(3) Your own MSP.
email: teresa.medhurst@sps.pnn.gov.uk (she's on holiday until June 21st - in the meantime, you can email jim.kerr@sps.pnn.gov.uk
Will update with Inspectorate email details when I have them
TEMPLATE:
Dear Sir/Madam
I have become aware of practices and events in a Scottish Prison – HMP Greenock – which are totally unacceptable and must be addressed as soon as possible.
I refer to the treatment of prisoner 89543, who has maintained innocence for almost 20 years. After 17 years incarceration, with no adverse behaviour whatsoever (he has been described, several times, as a “model prisoner), he was moved to HMP Greenock, Chrisswell House, in July 2021, to allow him to “progress” towards parole in 2024. That move, due to the treatment of him by all concerned, has all but broken him.
After delaying his first Community Access Leave by 4 months without explanation, he was then allowed just 3 Community Access visits before permission was withdrawn “indefinitely.” There is no logical or rational reason for this decision – Governor Morag Stirling claimed that the prison “cannot take the risk” of allowing him Community Access, even though his risk level has not changed and the prison had already taken that “risk” previously.
But, it is the psychological torture of this prisoner that is most concerning. No-one will answer his questions or concerns, choosing, instead, to gaslight him with the pretence that everything is “as it should be.” His property is withheld, he is refused the opportunity to make representations at Risk Management Team meetings, either in person or in writing, he is not allowed to visit his extremely ill mother (who cannot visit him because of her health), he is under constant threat of being sent back to secure conditions, he has been denied Community Access for 13 months now – in a National Top End unit – for a process he was told would take 8 weeks and he has been refused a true copy of his Sentence Management Plan. His personal officers job-share, so he has no consistent line of support. His social worker prefers taunting him to offering practical support and guidance. He is held “responsible,” or denied the rights to which he is entitled, for things far beyond his control – things like “what the media might say,” or “what the neighbours might do,” or even that his risk level “may change in the future” – when neither the governor, Morag Stirling, nor the Deputy Governor, Gerry Watt – can tell him what his actual risk level is. The answer to that should be obvious – in order for a prisoner to be in National Top End at all, their risk level must be “low.”
In September, 2022, after being told that he would be denied Community Access for another 4 months, in desperation, he took an illicit substance to – as he put it –“get my head down.” He was drug tested the very next day. In the 18 years and 5 months he had been incarcerated by then, he had never failed an MDT. Three months later, he was told that those 4 months had been further extended to 9 months – all without adequate explanation (and, indeed, the “explanations” given are ludicrous and clearly intended to frustrate and psychologically break him).
At the same time, he discovered that the vast majority of the productions in his case had been “erroneously” destroyed by the police, thereby demolishing the chance of him clearing his name – something he has fought relentlessly to do, for almost 20 years.
Five more months of this treatment passed. Approaching the end of May – the time he had been told there would be a resolution to this unbearable situation, he was told, once again, without any logical or rational explanation, that there was still no end in sight. Once again, in sheer desperation, he took an illicit substance to relieve the stress and, once again, was drug tested the following day.
It is clear to anyone who hears him speak that his mental health is being seriously affected by these practices. It is disturbing, to say the least, that it would appear that these practices are intended to have exactly that effect, in order for the “authorities” to be able to claim either that he was “unable to cope” with semi-open conditions, or that he was not “stable” enough to remain there. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will.
One of the Scottish Prison Service’s “core values” is “CARE – supporting wellbeing and treating with respect and humanity, all in our care”.
That care is nowhere to be seen in the treatment of prisoner 89543. How was he able to access an illicit substance within the confines of a prison, yet legitimate medication was unavailable to him? That is completely unacceptable. He, and other prisoners, are afraid to seek help, because of the common belief that seeking such help will only be used against them.
Where is “supporting wellbeing and treating with respect and humanity,” when a prisoner is psychologically tortured, taunted, ignored, refused permission to make representations to decision makers, gaslit instead of receiving reasonable, direct responses to questions and concerns? Where, indeed, is the humanity in pushing a model prisoner to a psychological breaking point?
How can a semi-open prison unit, the entire purpose of which is to help prepare prisoners for release at the end of long term sentences, treat those in its care in these ways? Since Scottish Prisons are all institutions of the state, they are run with the presumed consent of the public. I do not consent to this type of treatment of prisoners, especially vulnerable prisoners, already under extreme pressure, having been locked away from a rapidly changing society for so long. I want to see these matters fully investigated and protections put in place to ensure they end now, and can never happen again.
The name of prisoner 89543 is Luke Mitchell. He has been incarcerated, maintaining innocence, for 19 years, 2 months. Three years of his “4 year window” have been wasted – he has had just 3 SEL’s in two years at HMP Greenock. He spoke with an Inspector during the last prison inspection and still, nothing has changed. After dangling hope of his release at the end of the 20 year punishment part of his sentence, in April 2024, he is now looking at a further 3 years, minimum, through no fault of his own. That is not good enough and I do not consent to this being done in my name. Furthermore, there should be no punishment for him speaking out about his treatment – he was left with no other option.
Yours sincerely
Luke Mitchell, Sound of Silence
Part 1 https://youtu.be/fx-IpEHpyOY ( )
Part 2 https://youtu.be/RItxYiMH6Gs ( )
Part 3 https://youtu.be/zMNODgYN0MU ( )
Part 4 https://youtu.be/uPSayqKAlSw ( )
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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12482179/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-murder-parole-board/
She insisted: “Luke’s been incarcerated since he was 15 in all-male prisons.
“He’s never had a complaint against him. No female has ever made any allegation.
“So it can not be anything that’s happened in the 20 years he’s been in prison. There is no basis in fact or evidence.”
The Scottish prison service will no doubt be aware of the Sharon Indy Sunshine saga - ergo that’s one “complaint against him”
Lisa Reynolds Peden will no doubt be another “complaint against him”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567
Posted today on the ‘unofficial’ LM Facebook page by Lisa C Reynolds Peden ⬇️
THIS STATEMENT IS FROM LUKE AND CORINNE:
‘I have spoken to Luke and Corinne both their wishes are that everyone who is able to, attends the protest on the 17th of July in Edinburgh! They are both one hundred percent behind this group and the protest that's been organised! Luke has spoken to people the last few days and made it very clear that he will not allow ANYONE to speak for him anymore. He is a man now and will not stay in the background and longer. He has dealt with the person/people who have been telling people not to attend this protest because it wasn't organised by the 'official' group. This is not Luke's wishes and the protest is 100% legal. Luke has made it clear that the Free and retry Luke Mitchell group has his full backing and support. They I will now be posting all statements from Luke via myself.
Also they wish that all the group's come together and that any previous issues are put to bed! Luke has said that he doesn't want animosity between the groups, everyone on these groups are supposed to be here for one reason only and should all be fighting for the same cause! Luke is in charge of his life from now NO ONE ELSE!! He has taken a back seat for far too long and isn't doing it anymore.
*If you are attending any protests please wear a mask and follow all covid guide lines that are in place on the date of the protest.*
Luke and Corinne thank everyone on this group! The support is absolutely amazing! From the bonus ball tickets to raising awareness and being involved and organising two protests! It's all greatly appreciated! All money this group has raised goes directly into a bank account for Corinne.
Luke does not want photos of Jodi distributed for his fight for justice, this is insensitive to Jodis family and friends, and creates bad press for him. It is not and has never been Luke's wishes for us to find the real killer. Our job is to get Luke free and home to his mum. For anyone else to be investigated and/or charged Luke must be acquitted first.
Luke has also advised Sandra that all documents that have been withheld from the public for years be released immediately. He has been too concerned about upsetting other people, and following other wishes,but has lost his childhood, teenage years and adolescence. He will not stand for this anymore.
Luke appreciates your support and welcomes future peaceful protests and any other means of support which are within the law. All ideas from ANY groups MUST be ran by Luke in the first instance before anything is done.
Also Luke has made it very clear that the 'official' group does not speak for him nor has it ever. If you have any questions or would like to run anything by Luke please message myself as I am in daily contact with Corinne and every two days with Luke.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND HELPING ME FIGHT FOR MY FREEDOM!! BIG THINGS ARE COMING!!
Luke and Corinne have gave me permission to share with this group some pictures from his childhood. These pictures are not in the public domain. So keep your eyes peeled, I will post one later today!
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Lisa Reynolds Peden will no doubt be another “complaint against him”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jodi-jones-family-blast-killer-24425567
And Gemma Chapman http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/12/07/killer-luke-mitchell-who-will-be-helping-to-support-people-like-freddie-gren-when-they-realise-they-have-been-groomed-conned-exploited-by-a-dangerous-murderer-his-toxic-enablers-part-2/
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Was it John F or Gordon D who saw killer Luke Mitchell in the park?